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Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister shows her arrogance in disputing the latest report finding 18,000 more children pushed into poverty.
The report on 18,000 children have been pushed into poverty by the Action for Poverty Group since the start of Covid-19 is a sign that the pandemic has affected low income earners the hardest.
The report puts the blame and points the finger squarely at the Government but Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is disputing the numbers, but the Government official measure, has 43,000 children lifted out of poverty and it has been at the forefront of its Covid-19 response.
“As soon as Covid hit us , that first response- package did include a immediate lift to benifits as a result”.
Then in the last budget you saw us move again- well over $100 a week extra but that hasn’t reached everyone Jacinda Ardern said.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/report-finding-18-000-more-children-pushed-into-poverty-disputed-by-jacinda-ardern.html
Jacinda Ardern is just like all other Politicians that thinks throwing money at the problems always the way to fix problems but forgets to think about it before blowing her trumpet.
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July 28, 2021 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  To be fair Happychappy, the Child Poverty Action Group, a hard-left activist group, was involved in the preparation of that report. I would tend to be sceptical of their claims as well, at first glance.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:19am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Sure but what did the left say about the Child Poverty Action Groups reports when National were in power.
    
    They said “Green Party spokesperson on inequality Metiria Turei said Mr Key may be refusing to commit to clear measurements and a target to avoid admitting the extent of the problem.
    “That makes him a deeply irresponsible prime minister and unfit for the role,..”
    
    *Also note the nasty headline when Key didn’t say rodents, he was asked why they could set a target for native pests and he said it’s less subjective to count possums and stoats.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/314747/video-easier-to-count-rodents-than-kids-in-poverty,-suggests-key
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:41am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes I have to agree Tony , but you could also say that the figures Jacinda Ardern continually prints are not that truthful either and she has been manipulating the figures since she became Prime Minister with the agency she create on Poverty .Bill English had started to achieve lowing the figures on Poverty and Jacinda canceled and got rid of his vision promising to achieve better but has been found short in her vision to make it better for those living in Poverty.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:41am
- I remember when
  
  So is that 61,000 in poverty.
  Or is it 25,000 out of poverty.
  Or is it ‘stick a tail on the donkey’ and make up a figure.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Was Hendy involved?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If Jacinda is feeling the pinch and thinks she has done enough, she certainly has. However she has missed the price inflation which has leap frogged the modest handouts.
  
  They don’t know where they’re going. With prices its upwards.
  The best cure for hardship is a sound economy in the control of those who understand its operation.
  Like Canute commanding an economy doesn’t work except for the leaders who get all the perks and the rest can starve.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:43am
- JerJer
  
  “Then in the last budget you saw us move again- well over $100 a week extra but that hasn’t reached everyone Jacinda Ardern said.”
  
  So, you gave an extra $100 dollars to people, but then because you are useless, your policies increased weekly costs to average families by $100. So, net change is nothng, except for all the people that were entitled to the $100 that you [could] not reach that received nothing.
  
  Sounds like a net loss to me.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:47am
- wreck1080
  
  Rising house prices and falling education standards will ensure poverty levels keep rising. Those on the brink of poverty will soon be in poverty.
  
  Dribbling crumbs to the poor makes them dependent on welfare and helps no one except drug and alcohol dealers and mobile shopping vans.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:55am
  - artemisia
    
    Meanwhile sensible households will pay their due taxes, carry on working hard, and making sure their own families will thrive whatever any government sends down the pike.
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:02pm
krazykiwi

I know the world is going to hell in a handcart, but it would be a much easier journey if KB’s delete function could get all grown up .. and work!
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July 28, 2021 8:02am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Morning Krazy
  I have always been bemused that if I post under my name as I do, the post goes straight up, if I make a typo and amend anything, the moderators have to review it.
  I have never been able to work out what this actually achieves?
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is a way around this problem – for those that post under their own names…
    
    You have a few minutes to amend your post
    
    Click the edit function and make your correction.
    Then select all your new text and press copy.
    Then delete all your text except for one character (e.g. full stop)
    Then click return arrow which should take you back to the current KB page.
    Press Paste and your corrected text should appear.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:50am
    - Prince
      
      Wow. For a minute there I was transported back to 1986 and PC-Compatible DOS.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Morning. Yeah that’s puzzled me too. I suspect isn’t a default WordPress behaviour, ie not something deliberately implemented.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:39am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjgJFv_n4Y

Woke US Men’s Basketball Team Humiliated By France!

In this video, we’re going to look at the epic fail for the woke Team USA, we’re going to find out just how woke they really are and stick with me to the very end of this video because we’re going to find that the blame for all this falls squarely on someone who’s not even on the Olympic team! Can you guess who that is? [10:58. Humiliation is what the wokerati deserve. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the woke to give up their ‘woke priviledge’.]
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July 28, 2021 8:04am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgcgzVlbF8

Two Koreas restore cross-border communication lines following letter exchanges between leaders.

In what could be a potentially big step forward in cross-border relations… South and North Korea have reopened their communication lines. It had been more than a year since North Korea cut off those lines unilaterally. The Blue House in Seoul says President Moon and North Korea’s Kim Jong-un had exchanged letters… and agreed to restore communications and improve ties. Kim Min-ji has the details. [2:26]
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July 28, 2021 8:04am
ABS4EVA

Mongrel Mob Funding Scum Bags
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July 28, 2021 8:05am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  So it was better when National did the same but used the Sallie?
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/watch/dont-feel-no-one-cares-former-gang-associates-message-to-child-abuse-victims-after-years-of-drugs-crime/vp-AAMBASb?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fbclid=IwAR0TlDE9PewDAdcNJEVMgVV31XKcqyeP5z9_h7Cu6Cf5slV30JSxcOH79SY
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Holding the money and employing gang members is vastly different than cutting out the middleman.
    
    You know that but are obsessed with pushing criminals “rights”. How about you spare a thought for the victims of these arseholes … oh that’s right, you’re not concerned about the victims are you?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Are you deliberately being obtuse, or merely monumentally stupid?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Rhetorical I assume …. 😉
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:22am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Just pointing out the hyprocrisy. You’d know about that.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:31am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Riiight
        Its been pointed out to you multiple times that National got the Sallies to control the funding but Labour has given it direct to the Mob to control
        But you cant see the difference this makes.
        So, ‘monumentally stupid’ it is then.
        
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        July 28, 2021 10:53am
  - Prince
    
    Yes it was. For one thing, Sallies would never have accepted the bloated budget Ardern approved for the Mob.
    Also the Sallies do their research – videos like Harry Tam’s infamous ‘Sieg Heil’ tribute would have been reviewed and questions asked.
    So don’t suggest Sallies are as lazy as our current PM. Sallies are committed to achieve results, not fluffy promos on themselves.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      National also shut down the program when advised by the Sallies that it wasn’t working. How would the Govt know if the new program run by the Mongrel Mob wasn’t working? The Mongrel Mob sure as hell isn’t going to inform them.
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:16pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Idiot! Absolutely was better. Who would you trust more?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:20am
  - I remember when
    
    Holy Hell, don’t tell me that the Salvation Army are gang members now.
    
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    July 28, 2021 10:31am
  - amospicton
    
    Can you really not see the difference Brian? Follow the money.
    
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    July 28, 2021 10:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Clearly the notion of ‘conflict of interest’ has no meaning to you
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:05pm
Souvlaki

Debbie Ngariwa Packer ” low vaccination rates in Maori symptomatic of racism in health system”…bullshit.
You’d HAVE to have been living under a rock not to see how they have been helped/ cajoled to get vaccinations. ( eg the well publicised event in south Auckland…which had to be opened to all comers because of the indolent response from the ‘ target group’).
The REAL reason is their apathy/ dont give a shit attitude that puts them at the wrong end of almost every measure of success!
Until this is honestly addressed….nothings going to change!
Here endeth the rant!
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July 28, 2021 8:10am
- igm
  
  Maybe getting out of bed and turning up for appointments would be a good start.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    Have to agree, igm.
    
    Okay, us whiteys haven’t been erm lily-white in our dealings with our Treaty partners since 1840 but, boy, the folk we entered into a partnership with back then have been very slow to avail themselves of the opportunities that the partnership have offered them.
    
    I particularly think of Education and find it criminal that so-called leaders in Maoridom haven’t demanded/ensured – and still don’t demand/ensure – of ‘their’ people that every kid is in every class he or she should be in each and every day.
    
    From what I see, the Treaty settlements don’t seem to trickle down much further than the coffers of those so-called leaders.
    
    Much as, since I see other folk have raised that subject today, all of Jacinda’s much-vaunted extra money – $100 a week, right? – to help raise children out of poverty hasn’t ventured much further than the pockets of Lotto, the TAB or the local P purveyors…
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:01am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      A partnership, you say? I have an open mind and I’m always keen to learn more about this document, which I’ve studied in some detail.
      
      I couldn’t find any mention of the word partnership, or reference to anything remotely resembling partnership, in any of the translations I’ve read.
      
      But I’m probably systemically racist, so I’m hopeful you can highlight precisely where it was written that Queen Victoria decided to go into “partnership” with people she’d never met.
      
      Take your time.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:17am
      - Biscuit
        
        I defer to your study, Loddenthinks, and certainly aren’t implying you are ‘systemically racist’!
        
        Seems to me that te Tiriti is a document capable of several interpretations … and the fcat that there are two versions of said Treaty doesn’t much help.
        
        I was thinking more of a modern day interpretation.
        
        You would agree, I trust, that the only way forward is a partnerhip?
        
        But partnerships impose responsibilities on both parties … and it seems to me that modern day Maoridom leaders are all take and no give…
        
        Beaut fine day here so I am off to do battle with a golf course!
        
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        July 28, 2021 9:53am
      - oldfella
        
        Lodden, David Lange summed it up.
        “Democratic government can accommodate Maori political aspiration in many ways. It can allocate resources in ways which reflect the particular interests of Maori people. It can delegate authority, and allow the exercise of degrees of Maori autonomy. What it cannot do is acknowledge the existence of a separate sovereignty. As soon as it does that, it isn’t a democracy. We can have a democratic form of government or we can have indigenous sovereignty. They can’t coexist and we can’t have them both.”
        https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-opinion/opinion-democracy-under-threat
        
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        July 28, 2021 11:03am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Biscuit: I hope you enjoyed your golf and played better than I did this afternoon, admittedly that was quite a low bar, I was rubbish. The golf course definitely won.
        
        Re: partnership, no I would disagree in the strongest possible terms that “the only way forward is a partnership.” A partnership between who, exactly? Not that HM Queen Vic intended anything along the lines of a partnership (the clue is that partnership isn’t mentioned in any of the translations or versions), but even if she had, it would have been a partnership between the Crown and the people of New Zealand.
        
        What you and others seem to be now saying, in some fanciful “modern-day interpretation” that has zero validity, is a partnership between people who have some maori blood and the rest of the people in New Zealand. Being partners under this BS re-imagining of what was a straightforward and clear document seems to mean dividing the country along racial lines, with special treatment, powers and rights given to people who claim such ancestry. There’s a word for that – apartheid and we don’t want it in our country.
        
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        July 28, 2021 7:04pm
    - Prince
      
      The most successful program to address this under-performance was Act’s Charter Schools, that should have been rolled out across NZ and Aotearoa. The cost would have been a fraction of the sums currently thrown around by Labour.
      But no. Unions won and Charter Schools were scrapped by Hipkins.
      A massive lost opportunity.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:24am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Charter schools show mediocre teachers up.
        
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        July 28, 2021 10:55am
    - CaptainCompromise
      
      To be fair they did, for more or less 100 years. Maori were well integrated into NZ society in many places, particularly in the SI even in the 1880s. The trouble came after WWII when the culture changed. The most damaging thing to happen to Maori since the treaty is the adoption of culture common in Urban America, particularly the LA Gang culture, the breakdown of the family unit and the victimisation of Maori. Maori are not the issue, let’s be clear. The culture many participate in is. It will ruin any population that adopts it.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:30am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’s opportunist activism also at work.
        
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        July 28, 2021 10:56am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        When you say “victimisation of maori” I assume you mean “victimisation of maori by other maori.”
        
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        July 28, 2021 7:06pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Hey Biscuit, … [deleted – keep it civil. Mod.] Point me at any word/phrase in the ToW that suggests one!
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:38am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Forget the Partnership Bullshit. Queen Vicky didnt do Partnerships as I have often pointed out.
      When you rule so much of the world that the sun literally never sets on your empire you need to do so with a bunch of cannibals on the other side of the world.
      
      What you do is offer them a deal where they get your protection from the French and in return get to be British subjects. They also get to sell their land ( yes yes I know that one went a bit wrong but Queen Vicky did have honourable intentions).
      
      It was the idiot Palmer who made up the Partnership Bullshit with no historical evidence. The ToW doesnt include the word in either English or Maori versions.
      
      So put this Bullshit to bed once and for all and laugh in the face of any morons who raise it.
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:08am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Regretfully I have but one tick to give.
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:39pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Reading or haemarroid probelms again igm?
    “Collins insisted this is not due to vaccine hesitancy but poor communication with the community.”
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:33am
- Yvette
  
  Souvlaki – Debbie Ngariwa Packer claiming ”low vaccination rates in Maori symptomatic of racism in health system”, may reflect a personal agenda.
  
  Is Efeso Collins any better?
  
  Mass vaccination event: Communication with community an ‘absolute failure’
  A prominent South Auckland councillor says the low uptake of bookings in the country’s first mass vaccination event is down to people in “ivory towers” planning for communities they know nothing about.
  Efeso Collins’ comments come after less than a quarter of people initially sent invitations for the event in Manukau, starting this Friday, booked a slot.
  He called the communications plan to reach Māori, Pacific and vulnerable communities an “absolute failure”.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447862/mass-vaccination-event-communication-with-community-an-absolute-failure
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When half the docs etc in the USA have reportedly not been vaccinated because of their discernment why should others race to the Fauci chair?
    
    Once we had real vaccines and tests. Even the CDC and WHO have rejected the tests.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:49am
  - Batman
    
    So Collins is essentially saying that the liberal plonkers at the MoH in Wellington are idiots and you’ve suddenly interpreted that as racist?
    
    He’s 100% correct.
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:56pm
- G152
  
  Its just another example of a politician using its reverse racism that comes do easily to some.
  Sadly
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    Got her in the media though so it worked.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:12am
- cmm
  
  Perhaps she’s right, but not the way she thinks she is.
  
  The system is racist and perhaps this is part of the reason Maori are doing badly.
  
  We’re trying racist practices of hand outs to Maori and it isn’t working. Many millions of dollars have been spent trying to nudge them along the right path and they are not responding to this. Rinse and repeat for other Maori health, Maori imprisonment, Maori education, Maori [insert anything to do with good outcomes].
  
  It’s like playing hydroplanes with spoons of porridge to get a baby to eat. Bullshit. Here’s the porridge. Eat.
  
  Perhaps what is broken is this racist treatment that is condescending and destroys agency. All the baby talk is making them into babies – not helping them turn into adults.
  
  Perhaps what Maori need is to be treated as grown ups with the same responsibilities as everyone else: society has built a great health system, now it is up to you to do your part and access it when you need it and take care of your health. Rinse and repeat for all the other factors in life: crime, education, ….
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    Spellchecker bah! Hydroplanes -> aeroplanes.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Maori are playing us.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:50am
    - cmm
      
      In the long run, Maori are being played too.
      
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      July 28, 2021 8:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think many of them will figure this out until our new overlords take control of all their resources.
        
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        July 28, 2021 9:11am
      - cmm
        
        Maggy, you may well be right. I can only hope that enough Maori will reject the current nonsense and join the rest of us who want to build a productive and successful world.
        
        Some places, like USA have completely written off their native inhabitants to welfare. In USA over 25% live on reservations and most are reliant on hand outs and have been destroyed by well-meaning policy (well on the face of it anyway).
        
        While it is unpalatable to be writing off any sectors of population, the whole of society can still function because – to be blunt – they only make up about 1.5% of the USA population, so it is easy for the economy to carry that.
        
        Here we have 16% Maori (with the numbers going up). Apart from the terrible costs to the individuals concerned , we cannot – as an economy – carry such huge numbers of dependent people.
        
        Thus, it heartens me when I see people such as Trev pushing back against the system – for himself as well as the whole of society in general.
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The more I lift you up the less able you become to do it yourself.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:13am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Were they grown up when they fought it NZ most decorated Battalion CMM? Did they flee their country of birth?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:38am
    - Jack5
      
      The Maori Battalion was an excellent fighting unit, but, according to the NZ Encyclopedia, some Maori opposed it being formed (see page 2 of the link below).
      
      They feared casualties would be higher than if Maori were dispersed among non-Maori troops.
      
      They were right. The number of soldiers killed was 50 per cent higher than the average for fatalities of all NZ infantry battalions.
      
      The Maori Battalion’s performance, and casualties, weren’t unlike those of Japanese Americans’ 100th Infantry Battalion of the US Army, and their 442nd Regimental Combat Team.
      
      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/maori-in-second-world-war/response
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:44am
    - cmm
      
      Only the very slow of wit could construe my comment as having a go at Maori. I am having a go at the welfare system that is destroying them, their culture and future.
      
      But, Brian, you still make my point perfectly.
      
      The Maori that fought in the Maori Battalion were not the Maori of today:
      * They were (largely) treated as equals.
      * They were not getting huge hand outs and being turned into victims.
      * They were expected to be adults and were.
      * They had much more stable family structures and less dependent on welfare.
      
      I’ll wager the last few years of increasing Maori victimhood would make it very hard to produce a Maori Battalion today.
      
      As for fleeing a country of birth (which I take it is a sideswipe at me):
      a) Any sane person leaves a shitty situation to try to find a better one. Only a fool finds themselves in a bad situation then digs their hole deeper and doesn’t learn.
      b) I accept moral commentary from many people. You are not one of them.
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:34pm
      - alloytoo
        
        cmm,
        
        You chose this country, fair to say your investment is greater than some of those who think birth here is misfortune, but lack the fortitude to rectify the situation.
        
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        July 28, 2021 7:23pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Wow Brian! Would you like some cream for that great burn by cmm?
      
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      July 28, 2021 7:12pm
  - Unity
    
    For as long as I can remember, and that’s a long time, there has been special treatment for Maori. Surely a blind man can see that that doesn’t work so perhaps we should all be treated the same with no special treatment based on race. For heavens sake they all have other ancestry so perhaps they should start elevating their other side seeing the Maori side doesn’t work. The fact that many are good worthwhile citizens proves to me that race has nothing to do with the failings. It’s education, attitude, aspiration and hard work that’s needed. Special treatment means they are thought of as ‘special needs’ and that’s totally demeaning.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:46am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Their big problem is that much of the Maori community is tolerant of shitty behaviour by their associates and families. If they would stop tacitly accepting laziness, crappy parenting, welfare bludging, drug use, criminality etc and things would rapidly improve.
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:53am
  - Trev
    
    Yes I think there is something in that “cmm”. Great East Coast Maori leader Ngata and Hawkes Bay leader Paewai warned against the welfare state and how such paternalism could be damaging to the “spirit” of recipients. It has come to pass and we have a dependency trap just as Labour wants and to make the matters worse we have a government sowing the seeds of blame and envy. Many Maori, such as my self, have done very well in life by availing themselves of opportunities, working hard and rejecting the hand out mentality.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:57am
    - cmm
      
      Yes, while this is a “Maori problem”, it is only so as a generalisation. Individuals, such as yourself, can manage to buck the trend.
      
      I acknowledge that this is by no means an easy path to follow and often means putting yourself at odds with family and friends.
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:41pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Trev: ??
      
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      July 29, 2021 5:56pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Once there were Maori. They were wise and understood their culture had to embrace the 20th c. That generation has gone. New amateurs are jockeying for positions of power and leadership. Some are hinterlectuals others are crazy for power. There is even a promotion of tikanga Maori, utu and all, going on. Do they really want to return to the state of kill and be killed and repeat… That’s why they needed a Treaty for protection. We no longer do runaway warrior culture in NZ .
    
    These young activists need the full force of the law down on them. They will holler but they have no more rights of protest than anyone else and certainly no rights to upset the peace and seek to steal land titles.
    Mr Plod should get off his backside and enforce the laws of NZ.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:06am
    - cmm
      
      Quite.
      
      Exactly the same thing happened to the Brits 2000 years ago.
      
      2000 years ago, the Brits were primitive people who lived ragged lives. They were then colonised by the Romans which set them on the path to become what they have and, largely, make the world what it is today.
      
      No doubt there were some woad-chewing Brit activists at the time who didn’t want to embrace the new ways and rejected everything they could learn from the Romans. Luckily they did not prevail or the Brits would have gone back to their primitive ways and we would not have had the positive impact of the British influence on the world.
      
      The secret sauce is not that the British always invented new stuff. The secret sauce is their ability to discover new things (frequently from other people) and assimilate those ideas to improve their systems, then took them to the rest of the world.
      
      Without that we’d not have engineering, science, medicine, democratic processes and most of the world would still have hunger and slavery.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:34pm
    - Paulus
      
      The Treaty of Waitangi Commission has been the worst part of recent Maori interpretation in being able to express what ever they wanted as fact.
      Palmer and Lange the worse ignoramuses.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:40pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Saw a piece on Three News last night
  
  Student type: “I won’t be getting vaccinated. The timings don’t work for me”
  
  FFS
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/health-officials-scrambling-amid-slow-response-to-auckland-s-mass-covid-19-vaccination-invitations.html
  
  2:14 into the video
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well the youth are often poor at risk assessment, this is why we should re-establish the age of maturity at 21. (or after 2-3 years of solid employment)
    
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    July 28, 2021 7:28pm
- Paulus
  
  Please somebody tell me “What do Maori/Pacific’s want out of their not wanting to have a simple vaccination for the good of, not just their families, neighbours and New Zealand ?”
  I have yet to understand !
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    Koha! Get the shot, here’s reward!
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:50pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They’ve been getting the rewards/incentives for a year. Some are just gaming the system, many are too lazy to get off their fat arses and go, and others are so stupid they don’t even understand the question.
      
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      July 28, 2021 7:16pm
- JerJer
  
  Joke, last time I looked Maori were jumping up and down and refusing to take the vaccination first when it was offered to them as a priority (racist in itself), because they considered that they were being used as guinea pigs.
  
  These guys make themselves look more ridiculous all the time.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:56am
- wreck1080
  
  Maybe if they offered liquor king and kfc vouchers there’d be a better uptake?
  
  The more incentives that authorities offer, the greater the expectations for a larger bribe the next time round.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:59am
Greg Ettridge

Alan Jones has called out the world leaders.
“He called Jacinda Ardern a light weight politician”
He also went after Biden in relation to masks on children and the absolute untruth:
‘Vaccinated people cannot get the virus”
The piece ended up in a newspaper with this heading
Joe Biden “has to be taken out of circulation”
The leaders of the so called free world want to be the only source of the truth, problem is who decides what the truth actually is.
A couple posters on kiwiblog were called liars yesterday for expressing their opinions, it appears it is only a lie if you have an opinion that contradicts the leaders beliefs.
I won’t call Joe Biden a liar, he appears now not to have the cognitive ability to even know what’s coming out of his mouth.
Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of our great world, it is being ripped away by fascist ideology.
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July 28, 2021 8:11am
- John Pakes
  
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  Who is Alan Jones?
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:31am
  - Inandout
    
    Well, if you live in a hole…..
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Someone intelligent, well researched, authoritative, with millions of viewers.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:48am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      “No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly.” H L Mencken
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:38am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’ve always struggled with this Mencken quote. In the light of his many other insightful statements, this one feels clumsy and elitist.
        
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        July 28, 2021 10:01am
    - John Pakes
      
      So you might well say. My question asking tongue in cheek as to who he was/is is because I do not understand how anyone can pay serious attention to him. This is the Alan Jones who was kicked off radio recently. His employer saw him for what he is; a red necked loudmouthed buffoon.
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:03am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Lol, except he retired John. After all he was 79 last year. I think what irks you is that Jones famously said that Scott Morrison should jam a sock down Jacinda Ardern’s throat and that (correctly) she is a complete clown.
        
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        July 28, 2021 12:53pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Or perhaps his former employer is the embodiment of accentuated wokeness.
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:18pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Wasn’t kicked off retired after 33 years at the top, he has had a rest and I believe he will sign another contract with 2SM, Ben Fordham has trashed his ratings at 2GB.
        
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        July 28, 2021 6:30pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    If you say you don’t know who Alan Jones is then you are either trolling and/or on the wrong blog site.
    
    Suggest you try the “Standard” – Presland and Prentice will be right in your wheelhouse.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:49am
    - lifesgood
      
      Since Alan Jones left radio and got a far better job on Sky News the radio station’s audience has tanked really badly. Says something, doesn’t it?
      
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      July 28, 2021 4:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    There’s only one answer to that …
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_O624aD6xU
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t you remember?
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/alan-jones-aussies-slam-jacinda-ardern-over-climate-change/
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:15am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Great mates with Peta Credlin, I am sure you sit glued to Sky news every night just to test “the one source of the truth” is actually the truth.
    One night of Sky will most probably give you more news than you have been permitted to access in the “state controlled media” since the Wu Flu started.
    You can look at both sides of the argument, it isn’t dangerous, quite liberating in fact.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:25am
    - jon
      
      And at least watching Sky news we got to see the appalling fumbling Biden townhall performance last week. Something neither TV 1 or TV 3 would bring to you in their news slots.
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:25pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Who is Alan Jones?’
    
    Who is asking?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:38am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    God’s gift to pink necks.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      What.a.racist
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:58am
    - wreck1080
      
      I’m sorry you don’t have a good life. Maybe you had bad luck or made poor decisions that you’d change in hind sight.
      
      But here we are.
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    Alan Jones was the coach of the only Wallabies Rugby Team to ever defeat the All Blacks at Eden Park.
    Yes KBers, I’m well aware of his Radio/TV prowess, I used to live in Sydney.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:51am
    - Zapper
      
      I was going to point out that someone else did it in 1978 but looked it up to discover the coach had a heart attack before the third test and the players coached themselves to that famous win
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:41pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Just a little more on Alan Jones, John obviously he was coaching rugby before your time or you never followed his outstanding 4 years of his team giving the world a flogging.
    In February 1984, Jones replaced Bob Dwyer as coach of the Australia national rugby union team (the Wallabies). Jones coached the Australian team for 4 years with 86 victories from 102 matches including 23 victories in 30 Tests.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:56am
    - Colville
      
      102 matches as coach but only 30 tests?
      72 matches as ‘non tests’ for 9 losses? they lost Vs provincial teams??
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:20am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Colville, yes, pre professional rugby, tours could include 15 to 30 games against provincial|selection|barbarian sides along with test matches. It wasn’t uncommon to lose a few along the way.
        For eg, AB tour to UK, Ireland, France ’72|73 included 5 tests and 27 other matches. AB’s played 32, won 25, drew 2 and lost 5 (France, famously to Llanelli, Barbarians, NW Counties & Midlands Counties)
        
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        July 28, 2021 11:43am
- Nickc2
  
  The Labour Govt currently want to release prisoners and tear down our jails. Simultaneously, they are drafting laws to put people in jail who commit a crime of hate speech. How does that work?
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You get a new class of prisoner:
    The nasty, uncontrollable, vicious lads and lasses are let out of prison to control the roadblocks .
    Opinionated upstanding citizens are rounded up to fill the prisons and endure daily resetting programs.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:19am
    - Nickc2
      
      It’s quite possible we will meet in jail then Maggy.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:28am
    - oldfella
      
      Maggy, I’m sure this Govt has people in China at this very moment, studying the best way to shut down any form of dissent. /s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkliuqQo-g&ab_channel=TheNewYorkTimes
      
      [A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations]
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This Government has no need to head off to China to find ways of shutting down contrary views.
        It’s doing a pretty grand job already here in NZ.
        
        Flood the media with lackeys and bribes…
        Promote your mates through the institutions
        and hey presto!.. everyone sings from the same song sheet.
        
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        July 28, 2021 11:47am
      - Jack5
        
        Ardernists can splash as much as they like bribing the news media, but they won’t win, because ultimately consumers have the power.
        
        The distancing of the mainstream media from its primary market is happening around the Western world.
        
        In an article from Harvard’s Nieman Lab, the subject is mainstream Whites providing most income for digital news sites while Leftist and BLM journalists and allies want to turn them into Woke “publications”:
        
        https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/07/white-audiences-who-will-pay-is-still-metro-newspapers-survival-strategy/?
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:52pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Simple.
    
    Criminals roaming your neighborhood make you fearful and more likely to do what a trainee-totalitarian government demands of you.
    
    A few free thinkers imprisoned discourages dissent against a trainee-totalitarian government.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:20am
  - tf78
    
    Nickc2, they’re remodeling for double bunking for all the haters.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:44am
- Tall Man
  
  I did respond but …….
  
  There is an enormous amount of “science” out there, often contradictory. One needs to be an expert to analyse all the data and even then, the “experts” disagree.
  
  I believe I have a certain level of common sense, well enough to know that there are very few “absolutes” in this world so I read a bit, I listen a bit and I ask people who do have some knowledge but ultimately I make my own decision.
  
  As far as vaccination goes, I am not in the high risk group, I am in good health so intend to wait a while for the vaccination debate to settle down or a definite position emerge. If I need to vaccinate in order to travel I will do so as I am not opposed to vaccination per se, I just don’t believe it will make much difference to my susceptibility to covid or any other influenza virus.
  
  I see that throughout the world, vaccinated people are still contracting covid and are also dying. Therefore, in my mind and some others, having the vaccination will not save my life as I don’t believe my life is currently at risk.
  
  Now batman chooses to call me a liar but that merely demonstrates to me that he has lost the ability to think for himself and accept that others have the right to make big boy decisions for themselves … in my opinion.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:42am
  - bennerg
    
    Could have written that myself. Also to add that “science” is only the approach, not the topic. Also accepted knowledge based on science is always changing, and never absolute.
    
    One last point, and never, ever forget, “whoever pays the piper calls the tune”. And so scientists paid for by the Government will always be interpreting the data to benefit their paymaster. Anyone telling a different story will not last long in their employment, so the challenge is getting independent analysis, and then finding it in the media, who also these days are in the hands of the paymasters.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:24am
  - cmm
    
    The credibility of science is falling.
    
    In the 1960s space race etc, being a scientist was cool. Now its boring and probably racist.
    
    It hasn’t helped that a whole lot of prominent scientists are dissing science and saying it is no better than Maori folklore.
    
    The original letter write was very careful to say that Maori knowledge has contributed to science. All he said that is upsetting everyone is that it is not science in itself.
    
    That’s a reasonable thing to say while also giving acknowledgement to traditional knowledge.
    
    Good scientists will often source unscientific data/knowledge, but it isn’t really science until it has been attached to a scientific framework.
    
    Weather prediction by looking at twinkling stars might even work but it is not science.
    
    I suppose at least Auckland Uni and Royal Society have outed themselves as post-science institutions that should be avoided by anyone really interested in pursuing a scientific degree/career.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/scientists-rubbish-auckland-university-professors-letter-claiming-maori-knowledge-is-not-science/GN55DAZCM47TOZUTPYP2Q3CSLM/
    
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    July 28, 2021 10:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I never thought I’d live to see this happen here in NZ.
      
      I am pleased to see that a few of the Auckland letter-writers are from the biological and medical fields.
      Biologists have already fought the battle over what is science and what is belief/myth/folklore a few decades back when they argued for Evolution to be taught within our schools at all levels and rejected the notion of “Creation Science” getting any time in the curriculum.
      
      But it is frightening to think that university lecturers in Science disciplines cannot recognise that observations and hypothesis constructions are NOT the be-all and end-all of Science.
      
      Unless a hypothesis is tested, and is open to critique, refinement and rejection, then the discipline of Science is not operating.
      
      A body of knowledge that is known only by a select few males and is only passed on to future generations by word of mouth is not Science.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Royal Society of New Zealand is a questionable organisation trading on the name of Britain’s famous Royal Society, which has numbered scores of famous scientists as members. Newton was the British society’s president, and Darwin was a member, so was New Zealand physicist Rutherford.
      
      The New Zealand Royal Society is dominated by historians and people from, first, the soft pseudo sciences such as anthropology and sociology, and second, Maori activists.
      
      The NZ Royal Society seems to be rebranding itself “Royal Society Te Aparangi”. The online dictionary translates Aparangi as “company” or “group of experts”.
      
      The change is despite the legislation under which this organisation exists is the Royal Society of New Zealand Act.
      
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      July 28, 2021 3:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Footnote:
        
        I see Shaun Hendy and Siouxsie Wiles are among academics criticising the Listener article debunking Maori “science.”
        
        They say a claim that “science itself does not colonise”, ignores the fact that colonisation, racism, misogyny, and eugenics have each been championed by scientists wielding a “self-declared monopoly on universal knowledge.”
        
        Talking about self-declared monopoly: how did Hendy and Wiles come to dominate the Covid-19 discussion in the early days of the pandemic?
        
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        July 28, 2021 4:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        I see on the Herald site tonight that some Maori academics assert that Maori did do science.
        
        One Maori cited as an example, Rangi Matamua, is described as a “pre-eminent astronomer.”
        
        Matamua is described elsewhere as a fifth-generation Maori astronomer, and he’s probably best known in New Zealand for his promotion of the Maori view of Matariki, or the Pleiades.
        
        At one place on Waikato University’s web site, Matamua is described as leading research using “archaeoastronomy, cultural astronomy, oral history, semi-structured interviews, surveys, Wananga and environmental observations.”
        
        Studying the “archaeostronomy” of an indigenous culture with without a written language and reliant on oral history and oral star lore, would be challenging.
        
        Those who describe Matamua as a “pre-eminent astronomer” are asserting he is on the level of modern scientists like: Antony Hewish, who led the team that found the first pulsar; Penzas and Wilson, who discovered cosmic microwave background radiation; Chandrasekhar, famed for his work on the evolution of stars; even Hubble (died 1953), for his work on the Andromeda nebula and distances to galaxies.
        
        Wikipedia has an entry for Matamua. It reveals his M.A. degree was on traditional Tuhoe weaponry, and his Massey Ph.D. was on “Maori radio and language revitalisation”.
        
        You can read it here:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangi_M%C4%81t%C4%81mua
        
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        July 28, 2021 9:29pm
  - oldfella
    
    Tall Man, I think we should follow the science, so let’s hold off getting the jab till Maori science has thoroughly tested the vaccines. /s
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:17am
  - Batman
    
    Oh are you upset about being correctly called a liar TM? Perhaps I’ll be more generous and say you were inadvertently spreading a lie.
    
    Diddums.
    
    Maybe if you learned to understand statistics instead of repeating what you see from amateur sources you might do better.
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe if you grew up and stopped acting like a dork we’d all be better off.
      
      Yes, I did object to you calling me a liar especially as you exhibited so much joy in deleting my posts when I correctly called ardern a liar.
      
      I suggest you contact the Guardian and tell them they’re liars.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:52pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Fair to say you’ve made a risk assessment.
    
    I fall into an immune compromised group and had my first jab yesterday. (my risk assessment)
    
    I do however not believe that vaccines are the be all and end all, what we need is cheap and safe treatments to reduce the economic impact of these.
    
    When I was a child and the family holidayed in Malaria prevailent areas (in the bush especially) we went on a prophylactic course of drugs for the duration. They were inexpensive and available over the counter.
    
    This is what we need if we want to (as a country) reenter the world. A cheap and reliable prophylactic drug. (I suspect the same drugs I took as a child would probably be better than nothing)
    
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    July 28, 2021 7:42pm
Frank the tank

When will the horrid stop showing Team(little)Aotearoa’s medal tally?
Now 52nd in the world – woohoo.

This has Sydney 2000 written all over it. Go woke go fucking broke.

But don’t worry folks Eden park just got a couple of million dollars to create more “inclusive” and “gender neutral” changing rooms.

Grunter going down as a worse sports minister than the “Heineken” Duck.
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July 28, 2021 8:12am
- John Pakes
  
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  Nonsense Frank, Eden Park is changing urinals for pans etc. One changing room for example has a row of urinals and one pan. How is that for a team of 20 odd women!
  It has nothing to do with being woke.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:34am
  - Frank the tank
    
    So when the CEO of Eden Park goes on media and prattles on about “inclusivity” 5-6 times in the space of 3 minutes this is not woke?
    
    If this was about simply changing out a couple of urinals for some toilets why not say so.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:46am
    - peterwn
      
      Wellington City Council rebuilt the Courtenay Place toilets a several years ago. Space was limited so they provided a urinal to make the best use of the space although their general policy is unisex pans.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:22am
    - Prince
      
      C’mon Frank. John has a point. How does one toilet and around 10 urinals suit a women’s football/cricket/rugby team (actually forget the football, I’d like to).
      Some changes are necessary and good, not just ‘woke’.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:30am
      - Frank the tank
        
        So:
        
        1). If it was about some toilets and showers why talk about inclusiveness like a gibbering idiot?
        2). Why does changing out some toilets and showers cost $2 million?
        3). Why is it taxpayers forking out the dollars as opposed to tournament organizers and the Eden park Trust Board?
        
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        July 28, 2021 9:56am
      - Batman
        
        Frank you need to not get so triggered by the word inclusive.
        
        It is the correct term to use to describe making the changing rooms more functional and practical for female teams.
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:06pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        Perhaps the new design is also for the beta males that have to sit down to p*ss?
        
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        July 28, 2021 5:02pm
    - tf78
      
      Why can’t they just leave one set of changing rooms for that specific purpose – why change everything at huge expense for a few exceptional persons.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:53am
    - John Pakes
      
      It is because, Frank, Eden Park was built for men in sweaty jockstraps. It is about to be invaded by a whole lot of women footballers that will put New Zealand on the world stage. Eden Park will never again be a male domain, that is what “inclusivity means.
      What would you suggest the trustees should do if and when a womens rugby world cup arrives?
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:08am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “Eden Park will never again be a male domain”. Not necessarily true John. If no one watches the women play, then it’s hard to see that they (for commercial reasons) will get to play at Eden Park. How many do you expect to turn up to watch Wellington v Auckland at womans rugby or soccer?
        
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        July 28, 2021 11:53am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Question: What would you suggest the trustees should do if and when a womens rugby world cup arrives?
        
        Answer: Pay for it themselves
        
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        July 28, 2021 12:44pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Why couldn’t Eden Park fund the work itself?
    Surely the Trust Board would have included the neccessary upgrade work in it’s budgets when the bids for the two events were successful?
    There should be some chnage left over from the 6:60 concert!
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:20am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    “odd women” is certainly not a politically correct term in this day and age.
    Please be very careful or you will have Ahi Wi-Hongi come down on you like a ton of bricks.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:32am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Not really sure why the taxpayer is forking-out for toilets in a privately owned business
    
    All very odd
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:41am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Davey, FIFA World Cup Woman’s Football. That’s why. They are not going to put USA v Spain on Keith Hay # 6!!
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:57am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Don’t worry, they can fill their column inches by celebrating Kiwis failing to win
  
  They’re very good at that
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:41am
- emmess
  
  Imagine if Laurel Hubbard, brings home the only gold medal
  What a fucking embarrassment that will be.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:57am
  - tf78
    
    emmess, I hope the Lady beats him.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:53am
  - Frank the tank
    
    The stars are aligning.
    
    Seriously Lisa C should at least win one event. Hopefully.
    
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    July 28, 2021 10:12am
    - Batman
      
      Well Frank we weren’t woke in 2000 so your theory certainly doesn’t stand up to any logic.
      
      We’re 3.5 days in and you’re cheering for us not to succeed? What a fucking lame place to be.
      
      If you had bothered looking, we are in a lot of sports which take a week or a re scheduled later on. For instance:
      Sailing takes 5-6 days
      Athletics (Valerie and Tom) are late in the second week
      Kayaking is next week
      Golf hasn’t started yet
      Rowing is only just getting into the finals from today… We might have a gold in a few hours, or a couple of them!
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:12pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Take a chill pill Batty. Getting needlessly worked up there.
        
        It was more a mock to the feckless ones that we acting like every half decent athlete we had was going to win gold.
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:24pm
- MCos
  
  Newspapers have shown medal tables, including NZ whatever ranking they are, for as long as I can remember; and that goes back to Rome 1960 when Peter Snell came out of nowhere to win the 800m.
  What I don’t like is the optimistic way they predict how many golds NZ will win.
  As for Eden Park.
  The changing rooms were designed in the days before top level women cricket/rugby with communal showers, male toilets, nowhere to change/feed babies.
  There are international tournaments for women in the pipeline and the place needs to be brought up to scratch.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:29am
  - oldfella
    
    MCos, not sure how many women will need to feed their babies in the changing room before running out to play a game of rugby.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:21am
    - Zapper
      
      Good point. And the way female sports is going, the urinals may be required before long anyway
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:45pm
    - Batman
      
      Irrelevant. It’s about toilets not culture war breastfeeding arguments from self-described old fellas! ?
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:13pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  52nd is a result when the other stat has us at 122nd!
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:40am
- Fletch
  
  I had to laugh when the US women’s soccer team – so vocal and woke – lost any medal chances on their first day…
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I loved the piece in the satirical Babylon Bee (which amazingly some people took as gospel!) that the US team had decided to boycott scoring goals as a protest against racism!
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:35am
Inandout

Yardley has shown Hosking how to put pressure on Nash.
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July 28, 2021 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  What would Nash be if he wasn’t a Labour Politician? Given the way he talks and the amount of bull shit he espouses, I would suggest a door-to-door encyclopedia or insurance salesman.
  He’s fucking painful to listen to.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    The few times I have heard Mr Nash he is either bragging about himself or pulling someone else down.
    He comes across as an oafish lout.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Which is exactly what he is.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    As a one time insurance salesman I object to be classified as a possibly Nash.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      Objection noted Paulus.
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Just let me say one thing her Mike’ is Nash interference for ‘I want to set the agenda of this conversation’, ‘you’ve got me on the ropes and I need to change the topic quick smart’ or ‘ beloved leader is being besmirched and I must save her!’
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      If you think that’s what’s running around in his brain, you are probably right. A lot can happen in a void.
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’d say an EV vehicle salesman; driving to the yard every day in his diesel ute!
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:36am
Maggie Pie

There’s always one…..

Great to see when the Judge sent the jury back to reach a ‘majority verdict’ in the Epiha attempted murder trial, they came back after two days of deliberation with 11 to 1 for guilty.

Obviously killing one cop, then putting 3 shots into his partner, just wasn’t enough to convince some people. The worrying thing is, this same person. considered to be one of our peers, is back out there walking among us.

New Zealand…. the Free-Range Asylum.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1420106493395755008
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July 28, 2021 8:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Come on he was thinking about delivering Hunt to the local cop shop (after he shot him a few times), only had the guns to protect his family and was really torn up on the inside.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:38am
- Loddenthinks
  
  With their knuckles dragging on the ground as they walk.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And logging into KB to downtick every0nes posts 😀
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think you can be banned and unable to post but can still log in so you could say m&m and steffy are with us in spirit.
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:15am
      - Batman
        
        No, you can’t log in when banned.
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Perhaps I should have said “suspended” as when I was “suspended” I was able to log in and even post, but they disappeared pretty quick. When I contacted David he advised that my account had been suspended but at that stage I hadn’t received any notification although I did receive an email shortly after.
        
        Now that may not be the current situation but it certainly was for me.
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:55pm
Yvette

I absolutely reject / refute that …
Report finding 18,000 more children pushed into poverty disputed by Jacinda Ardern
An estimated 18,000 children have been pushed into poverty since COVID-19 – a sign the pandemic has affected low-income earners the hardest … that’s a 10 percent increase.
The report from the Child Poverty Action Group points the finger of blame squarely at the Government but Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is disputing the numbers.
“Homelessness has increased, financial insecurity has increased, food insecurity has increased and all the mental health issues around that have increased,” said Leah Bain of the Public Health Association.
… but Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is disputing the numbers.

So what, Jacinda, are your actual numbers and their source?
If you deny or refute something you should be able to support your statement by providing alternative facts and figures. Won’t you?
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July 28, 2021 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  Whatever the numbers are now, they will require some serious massaging before the next release with inflation coming home to roost.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The numbers are already massaged. This government had StatsNZ cook the books as I noted back in February.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:17am
I remember when

Violent crimes by Vets of America’s post 9/11 have cost the country $26.4 billion, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research study.
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July 28, 2021 8:27am
Tony Stuart

Vamos Argentina! What a magnificent performance from them last night to knock the South Africans out of medal contention in the Olympic Men’s Sevens tournament.

Down seven-nil, and playing six men against seven after a player was rightly red-carded for a dangerous tackle, Argentina could have folded. Instead, they fought back to lead 14-7 at half-time. In the second half they scored again, then the Saffer’s fought back in the closing stages to win a penalty try with moments remaining, with another Argentinian player sin-binned.

With five against seven, they somehow won the kickoff replay, and got the ball into touch to score an unlikely and emotional win, earning them a semi-final against Fiji. New Zealand plays Great Britain in the other semi, so a Fiji vs NZ final looks to be the most likely outcome.
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July 28, 2021 8:27am
- cmm
  
  “Fiji vs NZ final looks to be the most likely outcome”
  
  You seem to forget it is 2021. The most likely outcome is the least likely outcome.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s a New Zealand versus Fiji final, as predicted. New Zealand completely shut out GB 29-7 with a composed display where they were able to control possession of the ball for long periods.
    
    Fiji beat Argentina, but not before trailing at halftime. I’m not yet convinced that this team is as good as the Fiji side of 2016, so it should be a cracking final that could go either way. It’s timed to go around 9pm tonight, and could well come down to which team has the most gas left in the tank after three days in the heat and humidity.
    
    The one pity is that New Zealand referee James Doleman won’t get to control the final. He had an excellent match in the Fiji vs Argentina semifinal, and has looked to be the best referee at the tournament.
    
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    July 28, 2021 3:22pm
    - cmm
      
      It’s still 2021 Tony. Anything could still happen until the final whistle.
      
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      July 28, 2021 4:24pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Bloody hell Tony, dont tempt fate!
  Its not over until the fat lady signs and she isnt even in the auditorium yet.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    But she’s humming …. I hope!
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:46am
  - oldfella
    
    Alex, ‘until the fat lady SIGNS’? Gotcha!
    People are not supposed to cheer at these Olympics, so signing, instead of singing makes more sense. 😉
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:30am
  - cmm
    
    Terrible stereotype.
    
    Not all sign language translators are fat.
    
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    July 28, 2021 4:25pm
- rockape
  
  I was in the team that smashed the Argentinians in the contest that counted. The venue was the Falkland isles.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:39am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Argies are rattling the chain again and I think they want a rematch.
    
    Paras and Marines 2 Argies 0
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I was cheering from the side . . .
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They just got their revenge…
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:54pm
- Cinematic
  
  Agreed, amazing effort.
  
  Whilst the sport is entertaining it’s is marred by dreadful officiating. Reducing things to a lottery at times.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:46am
- Frank the tank
  
  GB look a lot sharper and fitter that the WokeBlack 7’s Tony.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    Maybe but as far as tactics are concerned, the Poms are as thick as piggy’s poop.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:09am
  - Prince
    
    NZ Sevens to beat GB. But against Fiji ? I can’t see it. Fiji’s defence was awesome vs Australia.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    New Zealand 29; Great Britain 7. ‘Nuff said 😀
    
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    July 28, 2021 3:23pm
Happychappy

Former staff at the office for Maori Crown Relations, Te Arawhi, accuse agency of Racism.
If this is not a beat up by Maori to create racism at a time when this Labour Government wants to pass more responsibility to Maori and give them control of their own destiny in many Ministry’s what is it as the main Grizzle here seems to be that they only have 25.6% of the workforce and staff are leaving because of racism.
This is just more just another story to divide New Zealand and get a complete Maori staff at this Agency.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/former-staff-of-the-office-for-m-ori-crown-relations-te-arawhiti-accuse-agency-of-racism.html
Has anyone ever thought that Qualifications might be a reason on the percentage of jobs.
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July 28, 2021 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Te Arawhiti was established in 2018 by a freshly minted Labour-New Zealand First coalition government. Its Minister Kelvin Davis travelled the length of the country to ask Māori communities what they hoped the new agency would be.
  
  It is a new Crown Agency (I’d never heard of it).
  
  Go to its web site and try and find out who runs the show and who the Key Managers are.
  
  https://www.tearawhiti.govt.nz/
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    Another bureaucracy National should commit to dismantling when in office,
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s managed?
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:11am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “…the journey from grievance to partnership” There’s that word “partnership” again. And by the way, the “grievances” will never end. There’s way too much money in it.
    
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    July 29, 2021 8:40am
CAKE FACE1

I think that kicking the can down the road with the Ro policy for two years at eye watering cost could only be worth it if the vaccines worked perfectly.

Alas, the vaccines have very questionable effectiveness. We should have lived with the Ro all along, in my view…

Labour must now fear that NZ will have a first wave of deaths that is very high (maybe 1 – 2 thousands depending on how Rona deaths are measured) once the borders are opened.

The deaths would be the super frail elderly people with multiple co-morbidities, who died in the first few Ro waves overseas, before the vaccine was available.

It is questionable whether a vaccine will save these people, who are on their last legs. In NZ, they will die vaccinated but with the Ro, once the Ro has spread far and wide, because these vaccines aren’t magic potions.

Labour will want to avoid this happening until after the next election.

My prediction is that Labour will not allow the borders to open until after the 2023 election.

This will be a disaster for our economy.

I implore the media to ask the government when NZ will be opened for business.

I fear decisions to maximise votes at the expense of our country are being taken.
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July 28, 2021 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is unlikely that “thousands” of people will die if our vaccination rates reach 85 percent. If we are like the UK, 99 percent of over 80s will be vaccinated, and that will offer them considerable protection from death.
  
  https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
  
  UK deaths peaked at about 1,400 per day. That dropped to between 3 – 5 per day. It is now back up to about 90.
  
  SO I agree it is a changing picture. The vaccines are the only way we will reopen. And yes that means some people will die of COVID in New Zealand.
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:46am
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Correlation doesn’t prove causation.
    
    Maybe it wasn’t the vaccine that saved all those elderly people in the UK, but the fact that the weakest ones had already died in previous waves…
    
    I’d say 500 die from the flu here a year, so that’s probably a minimum death toll.
    
    My forecast of 1 – 2 k deaths could be high or low – who knows for sure?
    
    Irrespectively, I think getting clarity on border issue should be part and parcel of living in a democracy. Oops…
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      Average influenza related deaths are around the 500 mark however due to lockdowns etc we had a very low death rate last year and it looks like we may have a low rate this year as we have not had exposure to many “imported” strains.
      
      Therefore common sense would indicate that we have a “backlog” of deaths in waiting and any serious virus, influenza/covid, will create a “catchup” unfortunately. Your estimate of 1-2,000 when it finally arrives may be high but it also may be on the money.
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:06am
  - oldfella
    
    Benedict, I’d think that going by the current vaccine uptake, Maori and Pacific Islanders will bear the brunt of any significant local rona 0utbreak.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      Probably more due to their commorbidities than the lack of vaccine but who knows …….
      
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      July 28, 2021 2:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  Careful, you’re straying outside the “accepted” mantra …..
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Given that not risk-free vaccines appear to require frequent boosters to maintain efficacy the best long term immunity is likely to come from getting the disease (with risk mitigation from wide range of immuno-modulating drugs to prevent the deadly cytokine storm that kills). I’ll still get vaccinated, but I don’t think I would if I was in my 20’s
  
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  July 28, 2021 8:53am
- Peter
  
  As far as can be determined we have lived with the Corona virus family since before virus identification was possible. So a long time. The Sars-Cov2 development occurred in USA labs [ Mainly South Carolina ] between 2002 and now, with NIH, NIAID and Fauci money. The patents can be checked by anyone,. It is a gain of function bioweapon.
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:42pm
Yvette

Suhayra Aden, a woman accused of having links with Isis, is heading here – despite leaving New Zealand when she was six, being radicalised in Australia and having family across the ditch.
… The only thing that makes it palatable it that there are two children involved and they can’t stay detained in Turkey. That makes it easier for the public to swallow and easier for the government to roll over and let Australia get its way.

Could Australia have washed their hands of Suhayra Aden’s Australian citizenship if she did not have New Zealand citizenship as well?

And as Suhayra Aden and her children are arriving here by an arrangement between the New Zealand Government and Turkey, is her accommodation and living requirements also to be the responsibility of Government, as opposed to the circumstances, one assumes, faced by other people arriving in New Zealand or citizens “returning home”?
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July 28, 2021 8:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We find it interesting that when SCOMO said Australia would not repatriate Aden or her kids…… “it was because his job was to put Australia’s national security interests first. He did not want to see terrorists who fought with ISIS enjoying privileges of citizenship”
  
  So why should it be any different for New Zealand?
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:02am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Answer is no, Australia is taking anyone that would be declared stateless if Aussie citizenship removed.
  She lost her Australian citizenship many moons ago, was removed as soon as she went to Syria.
  Australia would have taken her if not dual citizen.
  Cost will be enormous.
  You could bet London to a brick, this woman hasn’t got a brass razoo to her name.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:17am
- jon
  
  Plenty of room at Premier House for them!
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Deborah Manning (Ahmed Zaoui fame) is her lead Lawyer to take charge thereby exonerating any public Government responsibility.
    She will say she will be pro bono, but it helps her fees quietly.
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  There are a lot of very unhappy New Zealanders in London. They can’t get home, and are effectively locked out, something the Government butchered our Bill of Rights to achieve.
  
  At the same time movie industry people, a Mexican MP and his partner, The Wiggles and ISIS terrorist brides get prioritised.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:54am
- Jack5
  
  Aden will get New Zealand citizenship and then be eligible to enter Australia visa-free.
  
  Unless, unless, Australia closes this back door.
  
  Ardern, the rest of the Far Left, seem keen to weaken ties with Australia, and would probably welcome this.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:16am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    She’ll be on a no-fly list. There is zero chance that Aus will let her in.
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:20pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  What happened to the eldest child that was just too old to come in with the mother? Is he/she coming too?
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    I believe one of her kids is deceased.
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:04pm
Cinematic

I see Rod Jackson in today’s Herald says because we know how to prevent infection ‘no covid deaths are acceptable’. The absurdity of his position is clear to any reasonable person.

The main problem NZ has with its covid response is ideologues like Jackson. These people are a danger to a free society.

Unfortunately their influence is magnified by a government that is itself full to the brim with ideologues.
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July 28, 2021 8:55am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yep. I estimate 25% of the population are quite happy to lockdown/shut off for the rest of eternity. They are the same people that:
  
  1). Refer to NZ as Aotearoa.
  2). Believe 100% what is said in the MSM.
  3). Wear masks while out walking
  4). Work for a government department and/or dependent on the state for their income.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    3) Wear masks while out walking … and driving all by themselves.
    
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    July 28, 2021 2:07pm
    - alloytoo
      
      In their electric cars….
      
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      July 28, 2021 7:47pm
  - Pheobe
    
    Never go on overseas trips anyway.
    
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    July 28, 2021 4:12pm
  - Scooter
    
    5. Never been outside of NZ or if so only to Oz.
    
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    July 28, 2021 8:08pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Frank: That’s all so true. Talked to a woman last night .. all bar 3 was true. Unbelievable!!
    
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    July 29, 2021 6:29pm
- MrTips
  
  I used to have a lot of respect for Rod.
  Unfortunately, he has really gone off the deep end with this COVID thing. He seems to be obsessed with it to the point of ignoring other diseases.
  
  He was wrong about Sweden. He is wrong about this. I don’t think Rod has seen an actual patient in a while and he seems to have forgotten that doctors can actually take action to make people get better. If he has read any of the positive developments in ICU, therapy and patient maintenance in the last 12 months, he’s doing a damn good job of ignoring it
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:36am
Pharmachick

Got a comment on all the young women struggling with elite level sport right now. I’m talking about Naomi Osaka taking a mental break from the majors, then crashing out of the olympics, Ash Barty going out in the first round also; Simone Biles pulling up stumps in the gymnastics etc.

I think the press needs to back off. These are women in their early 20s, that make their living because of phenomenal sporting prowess. The level of scrutiny they are subject to, between traditional media and social media is nothing short of frightening. And as the news cycle ramps up its only getting worse. We saw how this panned out with Britney Spears in the 00s and its not good.

I’m genuinely concerned about this phenomenon, and foresee that it will only get worse before it gets better.
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July 28, 2021 8:59am
- Tall Man
  
  Not just elite athletes.
  
  It seems the current youngsters are so conscious of their peers that they are very susceptible to the peer pressure exerted through social media. When I say peer pressure I really mean bullying and it is also prevalent in the media.
  
  Step outside the “accepted” opinion and make that known and then watch the onslaught begin. Ask Andi Brotherston about that.
  
  It seems that society now believes that it has the right to critique every aspect of everyone’s life and it takes a hardy soul to ward of the negative influences that creates.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:05am
  - Batman
    
    It is not much to do with your new thing of the “accepted opinion” but more that the impact of bullying is much greater with the reach of social media, and the self-image issues which it creates from a young age.
    
    A lie or piece of revenge porn can race around an entire city worth of schools before the poor victim can do anything about it.
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Accepted opinion” was merely an additional example.
      
      Too obtuse for you?
      
      I try to keep my comments as brief as possible so may be guilty of not painting the full picture with all the detail for the slower reader.
      
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      July 28, 2021 2:06pm
      - Batman
        
        No just another case of you applying your preferred opinion onto a different subject, without consideration of whether it actually fits or not.
        
        Brevity is not something you’re known for, given your rapid fire style mate haha
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:16pm
- Ruahine
  
  Thankfully the millions of dollars that they earn will be a great comfort to them.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:08am
  - lifesgood
    
    How come this is a recent phenomenon? I don’t recall this sort of behaviour happening in previous olympics. Are these women the result of an “everybody gets a medal education”? Are they dropping out when they realise they won’t get a medal?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:33am
    - Batman
      
      In previous decades people would have said “X player has fallen ill” or got “a knee injury” or “aggravated an old injury”
      
      We simply now live in a time where it is acceptable to be open about psychological pressure and the impact on mental health.
      
      Simone Biles dropped out because she didn’t want to risk a team medal by having a fault of her own accord. While her team mates didn’t get gold, they are a young team who won silver at their first Olympics.
      
      That sounds like a very mature decision from Biles.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:42pm
  - MCos
    
    So why did the likes of Anthony Bourdain, Kurt Cobain, Sylvia Plath, Hunter S Thompson commit suicide?
    
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    July 28, 2021 9:44am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Your point being? You are normally half coherent in your arguments – sadly not so this morning.
      
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      July 28, 2021 10:06am
      - MCos
        
        My point is that oddles of money only means you may not have financial problems.
        There’s potentially plenty of other stuff going on in your head besides that.
        
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        July 28, 2021 12:11pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Mcos, for the great gonzo journalist, the reason was almost certainly a long term drug use associated psychosis. Thompson became utterly convinced that he had cancer despite medical checks giving him a (surprising) clean bill of health; and he decided that he didn’t want to go through with the consequences of treatment for his (non-existent) illness.
      
      Cobain, who says he committed suicide ?
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:37am
- MCos
  
  I noticed Erika Fairweather went from someone barely known outside swimming circles a few weeks ago to a ‘teen sensation’ on the strength of one outstanding performance.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:02am
  - The Voice of Legions
    
    It’s not her fault that the media blow her far out of all proportion in desperation for a good story, but making a final shouldn’t qualify someone as a “teen sensation.” Danyon Loader was an actual “teen sensation” winning a silver when he was 17, then two golds when he was 4 years older. Again, Fairweather can’t help that the media are idiots, but let’s get real.
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:31pm
    - Batman
      
      It doesn’t change the impact it might have on the athlete in this modern age of too many notifications and messages!
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:47pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Can of concrete might help.
  
  It’s a phenomenon of modern life where education, social media and society in general want:
  
  a). Someone to blame
  b). The easy way out
  c). Distraction from the real underlying issue.
  
  Dealing with adversity has become like climbing Mt Everest.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:09am
- cmm
  
  I think this is mostly a result of the constantly connected & streamed & social media-enhanced lives we lead.
  
  20 years ago you went home when you went home. Now you’re expected to respond to emails if you get up and go for a pee at 2am. There is little down time to depressurise.
  
  Elite athletes were athletes on the field and – for the most part – relatively normal people off the field (except maybe for the odd fan asking for an autograph). Now they are expected to have social media managers etc to ensure they build a brand for later career prospects etc. It is relentless.
  
  That massively increases pressure. It’s no longer just a medal at stake. It’s your whole social media/brand profile. Dropping from a gold to a silver suddenly means a whole lot more. It is no wonder that this can become suicide material.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:01am
- Littletramp
  
  I don’t totally agree with Pharmachick here having watched a few comments from the athlete (Simone Biles) and her coaches.
  She presents as a precocious, self absorbed little prat which has earned her a huge social media following and therefore a sponsor magnet.
  Having said that, (realising no one cares what I think of her and nor should they) and looking at just the reality of being in the midst of an Olympic competition, I see her perspective and totally agree with her decision to pull out of the teams event and I even believe she made the call from a unselfish perspective.
  She has lost confidence in her body to allow her to pull off some of the amazing stunts these gymnast attempt, particularly her. She has just come off a recent ankle/lower foot injury and this may be lingering or at least still on her mind. The yanks did not reach expectation in qualifying before the event and a call had to be made and had to be made by her alone. It may be in her head or it may be an actual injury hindrance but she knew a weak performance from her could cost the whole team so made a tough call to pull herself out. I call it genuine, brave, unselfish and to be admired.
  If she decides to compete in the individual events or not, I will regard as unrelated to her decision in the teams event.
  Good luck to her either way. Just the simple reality of sport and life.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Remember Simone Biles is one of the USA gymnasts who was under the care of the sex-abuser Dr Larry Nasser.
    
    https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/art-and-culture/simone-biles-opens-about-about-suffering-sexual-abuse-in-recent-documentary-7395094/
    
    Remember for how long the top dogs in Gymnastics tried keeping the lid on that matter.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Gymnastics_sex_abuse_scandal
    
    The fact that Simone Biles has been top of her field through all that crap is remarkable.
    
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    July 28, 2021 4:52pm
- The Voice of Legions
  
  Poor delicate petals. It’s a two-way street: they rely on the media and social media for profile building, especially the nauseatingly and boringly woke ones. If they cannot handle it, then they should find something else to do with their lives.
  
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  July 28, 2021 12:35pm
- Paulus
  
  But their earnings are something horrific.
  Along with their many manager minders.
  
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  July 28, 2021 1:55pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Ah, and here we go:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/300368076/tokyo-olympics-simone-biles-has-the-terrifying-twisties-nzbased-former-us-gymnastics-champion-says
  
  For “non $tuffers” he was a former US Mens National Champion. She has something known colloquially as the “twisties” [a bit lol given one of our national snack foods, but not really; its pretty deadly serious]. Twisties in gymnastics means she has a type of vertigo with an unexplained desire to twist when she should be flipping. Commonly believed to be a consequence of stress/PTSD/overtraining.
  
  Go well Simone.
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I know what you mean. But it’s undeniable that the young women listed have benefited from those self-same media.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:24pm
krazykiwi

Well done to the Aussie Women Footballers who have again refused to take the knee, choosing instead to stand arm-in-arm in solidarity for all Australians.
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July 28, 2021 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  Courage makes champions……
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Wokes go broke
    
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    July 28, 2021 10:06am
- Jack5
  
  Hurray for the Aussie women’s soccer team, the Matildas.
  
  They went nil-all against the Americans, who are kneelers, like the Swedes and the NZ team.
  
  Next match for the Aussie women is against the Brits, also kneelers.
  
  Go Matildas!
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:49am
Ruahine

Good to see at least one politician giving a comment about this odious Isis supporter having arrived in New Zealand to a life time of freebies from the taxpayers. Deborah Manning of course on the gravy train.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-leader-says-new-zealand-will-rue-the-day-it-let-isis-bride-move-here/SZGQTW7AC7ABUWOH4R55X2YJ3I/
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July 28, 2021 9:26am
- Fletch
  
  I bet if it were a right-wing activist trying to come back that they wouldn’t have a show in hell.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:41am
- Jack5
  
  We never got to the bottom of the fire death of Manning’s friend, Kaileshan “Kailesh” Thanabalasingham, who was executive secretary of the Refugee Council of NZ.
  
  Thanabalasingham was one of four in his family who died in a still-unexplained house fire at Flat Bush, Auckland, in 2017.
  
  A Kaileshan Thanabalasingham, also a Sri Lankan Tamil, of the same name and similar age, and also known by the abbreviated name “Kalesh”, was about 10 years earlier deported from Canada as leader of the VVT ethnic gang. VVT was in Toronto gang wars in which several people were shot and killed.
  
  Based on the reported age at deportation, the Toronto Thanabalasingham would have been 50 or 51 at the time of the fatal Auckland fire. The reported age of the fire victim was 47.
  
  The Canadian gang leader:
  
  https://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/2006/03/tamil-gang-boss-deported-to-sri-lanka.html
  
  The NZ fire victim, and Manning speaking as family spokeswoman:
  
  https://www.times.co.nz/news/flat-bush-fire-claims-fourth-victim/
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:10am
kevn

Ministry of Health say the reforms won’t work. ardern ploughing on regardless.
Ideology rules.
NZ? pfft
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July 28, 2021 9:27am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Considering Isis terrorist Suhayra Aden married two Swedes who were also there fighting for the califat, and gave birth to 3 kids by both of them…..then how come Sweden isn’t taking responsibility?
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July 28, 2021 9:27am
- Littletramp
  
  Oh that’s an easy one Maggie – the Swedish Prime Minister is not trying to impress the United Nations with constant virtual signalling decisions.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:55am
- Jack5
  
  This is Ardern trying to out-Swede the Swedes.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:11am
  - oldfella
    
    Jack, Glorious Leader trying to out-Swede the Swedes… and making herself looking like a turnip.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      It probably won’t be long before the Ardernists throw the cloak of secrecy over terrorists allowed into New Zealand.
      
      This is from Red Radio – straight from Radio Moscow as it were – detailing terrorism suppression control orders:
      
      Whenever the police commissioner applies for a control order to be made, the name of the relevant person and any other identifying details about them in relation to the application is automatically suppressed.
      
      And:
      
      Breaching the suppression by publishing the person’s name, or other information that could lead them to be identified, risks up to six months in prison for an individual or a fine up to $100,000 for a corporation.
      
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      July 28, 2021 5:27pm
jon

Hopefully the Aussie women footballers emerge with a gold medal. Unlike the Kiwi team they are there for the game NOT making a wokey gesture to the Antifa backed BLM group.
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July 28, 2021 9:30am
- kowtow
  
  They did display an indigenous flag , not the national flag before their game against USA ,
  
  They’re also wokists .
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:11am
  - Batman
    
    The competition to find the most pure team for you guys is definitely a hard road.
    
    Pathetic ???
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:51pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Hey! New Olympic sport right there!
      
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      July 28, 2021 9:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is the Public aware that Jacinda Ardern’s Government cancelled a successful Meth program set up by National so it could institute Harry Tam’s gang-focused one?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2107/S00203/dr-shane-reti-labours-made-a-complete-meth-of-things.htm
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July 28, 2021 9:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  “Is the Public aware that”..
  No.
  The public is aware of only what Ms Ardern and her teams of propaganda spinners say they should be aware of.
  Most of the “public” are content with that.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:29am
- Nickc2
  
  Quote from Maggy’s link:
  ‘Wastewater testing shows meth use is highest in locations with higher levels of gang membership’
  
  At long last, the probable reason for Labour’s 3 Waters aspirations. Not only will they be gifting Maori with ownership and control of all NZ’s water and related system, but they will also be availing Maori of a means of hiding the evidence of Meth us (the Mongrel Mob’s business).
  
  Then, the Mongrel Mob can claim success for the taxpayer-funded Drug Rehabilitation program.
  
  No doubt there will be an increase in funding due to the phenomenal success of their program with no water testing being undertaken.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:59am
CAKE FACE1

Here is what I posted on another blog right at the beginning of the Ro infestation:

“Unfortunately, the Ronald McDonald doppelganger is so invested in a hysterical madness, foolish pride will stop her opening the borders in NZ, while the rest of the world moves on.

We, alone, will continue to be prisoners, trapped in our little island prison.

I used to post on Stuff comments, exhorting the hacks to ask the Ronald McDonald doppelganger what her exit strategy was, in the propaganda shows she ran. They never did.

The government has no exit strategy, except a wish for a magic perfect vaccine, that may take years or even decades to develop and test.

When all the dust settles, NZ will have dealt with the crisis the worst in the world. The nasty flu will still inevitably come here, but we will have vandalised our economy for far longer and more savagely than anyone else.

I predicted this in the first week of the crisis, and now I’m feeling omnipresent.

I’ve stated the above to all my friends and family, and persuaded none of them. They agree that that a perfect vaccine or antiviral is unlikely for years, but they still want to keep the borders shut. For some of them, I think this is self-interest speaking.
They are at an age where the nasty flu could be deadly, and the economic effects don’t really impact them greatly. It is the young who will again bear the costs of boomer selfishness. Others simply don’t appear to have thought about it. They believed the scientists who said a perfect vaccine should be available in 12 months, despite history indicating it may well take years longer.

To have no exit strategy for the foreseeable is to me negligent and irrational.

Unfortunately, the Ronald McDonald doppelganger in charge of this country is an exceptionally feeble minded and weak character. Paradoxically, weak people often act in an arrogant and aggressive way, in order to puff themselves up, and appear strong. When New Zealand switched from the mitigation strategy to the elimination strategy, it did so on the basis of extraordinary levels of conceit and hubris. The Ronald McDonald doppelganger won’t admit that she got it all wrong – she is too full of foolish pride for that.”
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July 28, 2021 9:40am
Paulus

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July 28, 2021 9:47am
Greg Ettridge

The children may get Swedish citizenship depending on year they were born law changed after 2015.
Mother would find it almost impossible to get citizenship, she is a NZ citizen, born in NZ, kids could well get dual citizenship.
If the fathers were alive would be a very different story.
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July 28, 2021 9:49am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I wonder in which countries the fathers were born?
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The other worrying aspect in relation to Suhayra Aden, is when ABC reporter Dylan Welsh travelled to Syria to interview her, he noted….. “she still speaks with an Australian accent” 🙁
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:21am
  - MCos
    
    What did you expect?
    She’s as Australian as Rupert Murdoch.
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:01pm
    - Jack5
      
      What do you mean?
      
      Rupert’s a dual citizen, American and Australian, and his father was a renown Aussie editor and journalist.
      
      From the US immigration site, Boundless:
      
      The U.S. government does not require naturalised U.S. citizens to relinquish citizenship in their country of origin. Although the Oath of Allegiance to the United States speaks of renouncing “allegiance and fidelity” to other nations, U.S. immigration law does not explicitly address the topic of dual citizenship. The best summarisation of the U.S. government’s position on dual citizenship lies in a U.S. Supreme Court opinion, which explains that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both.”
      
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      July 28, 2021 3:21pm
- MCos
  
  Personally I consider her to be Australian.
  That’s two Australian terrorists we’re stuck with now, not to mention all those hard core gang members deported over here who learnt the ropes in Oz.
  
  Citizenship is fraught issue. Not only are Australia willing to take it away from people because they’re too hot to handle politically, but they are unwilling to give it to people like Russell Crowe & Quade Cooper because who knows why?
  In America some people who served in the ME are being denied citizenship and deported, so I believe.
  Harsh.
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:25am
  - lifesgood
    
    When is NZ going to grow a pair and follow Australia’s path. We are bleeding heart suckers in this country. It makes me furious. How come this absolute waste of space of a woman gets to fly back to NZ free while hard working, blameless, law abiding, tax paying NZers can’t even get on a flight? Outrageous!
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:31am
    - Scooter
      
      Not to mention a benefit and housing. Crime pays in NZ, just ask Harry Tam.
      
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      July 28, 2021 8:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    How did you get on with citizenship in Thailand?
    
    Citizenship is a privilege not a right unless you are born in the country. Australia has the right to remove citizenship from those it deems to be unworthy, that is their right.
    
    Russell and Quade have to comply with all the requirements so maybe they don’t. I’m sure that neither will be particularly bothered come retirement time or if they break the law, they both have plenty of other options to them I would imagine.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:47am
    - MCos
      
      Actually Quade Cooper is pissed off about it.
      As for me.
      If I go to Thailand I can’t get either permanent residency let alone citizenship as my wife can for NZ.
      I can get a retirement visa, renewable every year, but the requirements are tedious.
      Apart from that I prefer living in NZ because I’m a Kiwi and it’s my country.
      
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      July 28, 2021 12:38pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Although you’d rather get out of Mongere wouldn’t you Cossie?
        
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        July 28, 2021 1:33pm
      - Peter
        
        The situation is about to get very rough in Thailand MCos. The immediate concern of the overstayers, now stateless citizens whose emergency return applications have been refused, have been the enormous fines, every three months. The Thai Immigration authority is less than impressed with New Zealand’s refusal to return it’s own citizens. We are now also locked out of Australia.
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:58pm
      - MCos
        
        There impression I always got was that those who control the country are happy enough to reel in foreign investment, brains and brawn as long as there is no threat to their grip on everything.
        Over here our parliament, military and police have people from all over the world. Forget about that sort of nonsense in Thailand!
        
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        July 28, 2021 6:58pm
I remember when

“Taking Toa to his final resting place:”
As his breathing became shallower and his heart rate weakened, a hush fell over those who had gathered to be with Toa in his final moments.
Under the bright moon and cloudless sky, the life of the young calf finally came to an end.
Those who worked so tirelessly to tend to him were determined to envelope him in aroha in the last stage of life.
Among his human family present were members of the Hongoeka whanau of local iwi Ngati Toa Rangatira.
As several karakia were uttered, the calf quietly faded away.
(Selected extracts)
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July 28, 2021 10:12am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Then, as the baby Toa faded away, the gathering realised that their $600 per diem ‘Consulting Fee’ will now end.
  All burst into tears with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.’
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Disgusting. Meanwhile an aborted, near to full term, human baby is left to die on a draining board. What a sick society we live in.
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:32am
    - Batman
      
      How convenient that patient confidentiality prevents this sick little story for being exposed as the propaganda lie that it most likely is.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.voiceforlife.org.nz/media/exclusive-healthy-baby-took-two-hours-to-die-after-late-term-abortion-nz-hospital-withheld-medical-assistance
        
        https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/06/21/baby-left-to-die-after-failed-abortion/
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/my-view-karl-du-fresne/8240396/Infant-left-to-die-might-not-be-only-case
        
        Yep, it may be propaganda, but it may not be.
        
        Google is your friend, so at least you’ll have one.
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:03pm
      - Batman
        
        Yeah and that is my point.
        
        You’ve cited the anti-abortion lobby piece with an anonymised source who has given a story to them. If she was indeed horrified she would make a formal complaint to the DHB and medical review board etc.
        
        Then you’ve cited Slater’s blog, which links back to the same lobbyist group.
        
        Finally, an opinion piece which cites the same.
        
        Hardly a reliable evidence base!
        
        That anonymous woman should front up to real media if she was so concerned, and the story was legit.
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:21pm
    - Peter
      
      lifesgood 11.32 It would be hard to write a sentence with more veracity and impact than your entry here. Not all Societies are as sick as New Zealand, I think in general, Australia is even worse.
      
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      July 28, 2021 4:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder how many humans suffered difficult deaths that day? Based on averages maybe 90. I hope they were accorded the same efforts by the state to prolong their lives …. but I doubt it.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:48am
I remember when

East Coast iwi training locals to become first responders since health services are stretched thin:
During lockdown Puriri iwi decided to improve local emergency outcomes.
The area from Opotiki to East Cape is home for 13 thousand people.
Opotiki has no hospital and limited emergency facilities.
It is a drive of 45 minutes to Whakatane Hospital, so up to one and a half hours for a return trip.
Puriri spokeswomen suggested they had saved four lives since to programme commenced.
There is one fully qualified paramedic (Pro Med) in the area.
Incidentally, those who appeared in the item suggest an equally serious lack of dental care available.
(Does this item demonstrate one of the reasons for ‘racist’ life expectancy results.)
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July 28, 2021 10:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  There’s an excellent medical centre in Te Kaha that is funded beyond your average suburban medical centre because of its remoteness. I know this through personal experience.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:45pm
wreck1080

University of Auckland’s real scientists wrote a letter rubbishing the teaching of Maori science. Good to see push back against ancient Maori knowledge being falsely portrayed as cutting edge.

Here is some of the pushback…

“As Rangi Mataamua says we did not navigate to Aotearoa on myths and legends. We did not live successfully in balance with the environment without science. Māori were the first scientists in Aotearoa.”

Firstly, few dispute that Maori used the stars to navigate… but, it is not that hard to do and that is centuries old knowledge and irrelevant today. They used the stars so they knew they were pointed the right way but that is about it.

Next, Maori did not live in balance… it is a falsehood that Maori were these peaceful native guardians of the land. They used fire to burn down forests to flush moa into traps so they could eat every single last one.

Maori warred and ate each other and pillaged whatever they could from the environment. What Maori call science, I call culture and tradition. To call this science is fake.
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July 28, 2021 10:40am
- lifesgood
  
  Now that moronic Chancellor Auckland Uni, Dawn Fairweather, Canadian I think, has come out swinging against everything the scientists have said. For goodness sake, lets get real. Maori couldn’t even invent a wheel or metal technology. They were very skilled in certain areas such as navigation and natural medicines but not much beyond that and as wreck1080 says they were culture and tradition, not science.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    “natural medicines”
    
    Seriously?
    
    “In pre-European times, Māori were tall and muscular, even by today’s standards. Their average life expectancy of around 28-30 years”
    
    In a healthy pollution free organic non vegan society those medicines didn’t do much did they?
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:53am
    - lifesgood
      
      OK Tall Man, I take your point.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:07pm
  - Adroit
    
    Well, no, as per Maggy they weren’t good at natural medicines. What they now claim they knew, they learned from settlers
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:05pm
Fletch

The govt is continuing along with their agenda to get vehicles they don’t like (greenhouse gas producing?) off the road.

Now targeting horse trailers and motor homes with rule changes by the transport agency [insert Maori govt dept name] with exorbitant fees that owners can’t hope to pay.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/new-zealand-transport-agency-rule-changes-causing-headaches-for-horse-truck-and-motorhome-owners.html
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July 28, 2021 10:44am
- I remember when
  
  “It appears that not all inspectors are applying the laws consistently.”
  So another poorly communicated law that nobody (or a small increase on this number) understands fully.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:07am
- kevn
  
  @Fletch… SteveO didn’t know about it.
  Dumb stuff by NZTA.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The reason I did not know is I read it as Horse Floats, not Horse Trucks. My mistake sorry.
    I do WOF on vehicles 3500KG GVM and under
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:34pm
Cobolt24

I know someone who works in the public sector.
He got told off by his boss for working too hard/efficiently!
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July 28, 2021 10:45am
- Matt Long
  
  In the 50s my father apparently was told by watersiders if he didn’t slow down he would get something dropped on him.
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:01pm
- MCos
  
  I heard the same thing, first hand.
  I also found in my earlier days when I churned out drawings in a drawing office if anyone put in extra effort not only were the other drafters annoyed, but if a new standard of output was set for everyone.
  So if a new bloke turns up and wants to impress by working harder after awhile that output is not impressive anymore and becomes expected.
  
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  July 28, 2021 4:42pm
Southern Raider

Just working through getting in a tenant and creating a tenancy agreement for the first time. The tenancy builder template is actually really good and easy to use, UNTIL you come to the Healthy Homes compliance sections.
It states you need to provide insulation and heating compliance statements to the agreement even though you can incorporate them into the agreement. The clauses you need to add and comply against make no sense at all. Then there is the heating compliance. Depending on very small changes in measurements it suggests I need either a 6.5KW or 3.3KW heat pump for a lounge in a one bedroom unit. I’ve installed a 2KW wall heater which is already too big and works well as it’s a ambient warm unit, but this doesn’t comply.
I’ve now just read the Housing Minister has said there is major issues with the tool significantly overstating heater sizes, yet it will take many months to review and landlords need to comply with the existing broken tool for the meantime.
What am absolute joke!
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July 28, 2021 10:46am
- cmm
  
  ” it will take many months to review”
  
  Complete joke. All this should require is changing the calculation code and a bit of testing. One day tops.
  
  Perhaps the taniwha doesn’t write code during the sacred Matariki period?
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:13am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Did you read the bit where it says in the article landlords who have brand new homes that are fully compliant with the Building Code are having to retrofit them to meet Healthy Homes?
    
    This Govt is a cluster
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:21am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Issue why it will take months is the liability issue. All landlords (except Housing NZ of course) had to have compliant homes by 1st July 21.
    
    What happens when the new tool comes out and says all the landlords that brought big or new heat pumps didn’t actually need them?
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      “when the new tool comes out”
      
      I assume you’re talking about the minister …….
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:38am
    - artemisia
      
      Many private rentals have until 2024 to comply with the Healthy Homes standards.
      
      Unless there is a change of government in 2023 as National have said they will repeal almost all of them.
      
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      July 28, 2021 6:57pm
- Pharmachick
  
  “…the Housing Minister has said there is major issues with the tool …”
  
  The housing minister in a particularly self-reflective mood today?
  
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  July 28, 2021 12:32pm
I remember when

“Newshub: Will be passed on to customers: Iwi can charge commercial ops for use of Lake Taupo, court rules.
It ruled Ngati Tuwharetoa can require licences and charge fees from businesses using the lake.”
Can’t see any problems arising from this decision.
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July 28, 2021 10:59am
- kevn
  
  @I rem… IWI = I Want It.
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:55am
  - sooty
    
    And you will pay for it!
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:16pm
cmm

Two gang members get shot but won’t talk to the cops.

So what has the cop got to say?
“Both men are linked to the King Cobras. However, police have no evidence to suggest this incident is linked to the recent tensions between the King Cobras and Rebel Gangs”

Well I suppose he’s right that there is no open and shut evidence, but two random blokes walking along the road and randomly ending up carry extra lead isn’t much of a theory either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-wars-king-cobras-pair-suffer-gunshot-injuries-in-south-auckland/DDOO3HPKCTSYPL7Q754GNUD23Q/
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July 28, 2021 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  Our criminals classes aren’t the smartest……
  
  ‘On April 2, Newton was dropped off by the Henare brothers outside the Dunedin Hospital with a shotgun wound to his chest.
  
  He told medical staff he had been taking a weapon out of the boot that night and it had “gone off”. ‘
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/brothers-jailed-after-dunedin-crime-spree
  
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  July 28, 2021 11:57am
- rangitoto
  
  Why not supply them with military guns and let the two gangs go for it at some live fire training site. Winner to be the last gang standing.
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How many million $ does the winner get? //
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly – its no WONDA everyone loves Twitter! 😀

Reply of the day: “But can they make a good Kebab?”

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1420095403714879491
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July 28, 2021 11:47am
- MCos
  
  We were over in Remuera this afternoon.
  By coincidence I was reading about these pedeophiles as we drove passed Dilworth School, which has been in the news recently for all the wrong reasons; or was it Dilworth College just down the road?
  
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  July 28, 2021 5:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Can’t help yourself can u Cossie….just had to get nasty!
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:46pm
    - MCos
      
      Remuera seems to do that to a bloke.
      
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      July 28, 2021 7:02pm
oldfella

This looks good. A former Drudge editor launches a new website, hoping to resurrect the original Drudge spirit.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/07/27/former-drudge-report-editor-launches-conservative-alternative-n1464957
Check it 0ut
https://offthepress.com/
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July 28, 2021 12:12pm
MrTips

A poll I would be interested to see the answers for:

Q1: do you consider there are crimes occurring in NZ that could deserve capital punishment? Y or N

Q2: can you specify what crimes ? If necessary, please list no more than 3.

If nothing else, it would be a gauge of the public concern/specificity regarding law and order.
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July 28, 2021 12:14pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Of course there are crimes that DESERVE capital punishment. But for me, the issue is that our justice system is unreliable. Too many errors that would result in innocent people being executed.
  
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  July 28, 2021 2:41pm
  - MCos
    
    Personally I don’t believe in capital punishment for reasons that have been discussed interminable.
    Apart from that, to my mind it’s the easy way out for the culprit. Instead of stewing in gaol for however many years they’re out of here.
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:09pm
Rusty

So this scumbag was found guilty of trying to murder constable Goldfinch.
What a pathetic defence he and his lawyers put up that he wasn’t trying to murder Goldfinch even though he admitted to murdering his partner constable Hunt.

If he wasn’t trying to kill Goldfinch then why didn’t he put down his gun and surrender to him knowing that he had killed Hunt or at the least mortally wounded him?

Expect more crazy defence pleas in the future from the lowlifes in our communities who won’t take responsibility for their actions but will create imaginary motives to cut down on prison time.
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July 28, 2021 12:17pm
- oldfella
  
  Rusty, interesting to see if the shooter gets consecutive, or concurrent sentences. If concurrent, he would get away with one sentence for two crimes.
  An even if sentenced to life imprisonment, he’d be eligible for parole after 10 years.
  
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  July 28, 2021 1:17pm
  - cmm
    
    ” If concurrent, he would get away with one sentence for two crimes.”
    
    That’s pretty standard, as is wiping the slate for fines etc from previous crimes.
    
    Heck, there are even people who went into a hearing owing society a bunch of fines, community service etc, then come out with their new sentence shorter than their balance owing and all previous fines and community service balance wiped.
    
    ie. Commit a crime and profit from it!
    
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    July 28, 2021 4:33pm
  - MCos
    
    I somehow doubt he’ll be out after ten years.
    William Dwane Bell is in prison for 30yrs before he’s edible for parole.
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:13pm
    - [email protected]
      
      I hope you are right but fear for the worst.
      
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      July 28, 2021 6:55pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Is this “edible” thing a further example of pre-Colonial indigenous customs creeping into NZ law?
      
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      July 29, 2021 1:54pm
Inandout

Then there is Joe and Hunter. Hillarious.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1420079833921490950
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July 28, 2021 12:36pm
- Batman
  
  Did you need a bit of a comforting hug from the old conspiracy theories after today’s uncomfortable evidence?
  
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  July 28, 2021 12:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you mean this uncomfortable evidence Batz?
    
    > Jill isn’t a Nurse
    
    > Hunter isn’t an Artist
    
    > Joe isn’t the President
    
    LOL!!!
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:54pm
    - Batman
      
      I haven’t seen Hunter’s art but I’m sure it is probably not very good. Possibly quite like George W’s watercolours (depending on your taste in art.
      
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      July 28, 2021 1:57pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Here ya go Batz… take your pick 😀
        
        Prices range $75,000 to $5oo,000 USD
        
        https://bergesgallery.com/our-artists/hunter-biden
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:09pm
      - Inandout
        
        Bat, there will be plenty of ‘unnamed’ buyers from China and Russia. This art dodge has always been well known as a way around the American IRS. Almost as safe as drug dealing, but without the risk.
        
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        July 28, 2021 2:44pm
      - cmm
        
        Almost as lucrative as the speaking gigs that Bill Clinton gave when Hilary had power to abuse, but much less traveling.
        
        Could Hunter Biden even get a visa to most places?
        
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        July 28, 2021 4:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maggie, see what drugs do? That shit is worse than Salvador Dali and Jackson Pollack’s shit.
        Don’t do drugs people
        
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        July 28, 2021 5:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ cmm. Hunter in NZ? yeah sure, and give him an appearance fee under the current Govt.
        Back in the day Johnny Cash was not allowed to NZ because he had a marijuana conviction for fucks sake
        
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        July 28, 2021 5:54pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    How many hugs will you need Batty if the GOP re-takes the House and the Senate next year?
    
    Nunes in charge of the intel committee. Jordan in charge of Oversight and Govt reform. With Kev holding the gavel.
    
    Then President Ron in 2024……
    
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    July 28, 2021 12:56pm
    - Batman
      
      Frank that is a possibility. Redistricting is the GOP strategy given they’re losing by 7 points on the generic ballot currently.
      
      They will get 4-6 seats from reapportionment and gerrymandering alone, which leaves the House on a coin toss.
      
      As for the predicted committee appointments you list… It does remind me of how the Scarecrow presided over the sentencing tribunal in The Dark Knight Rises… A sham run by the mentally deranged.
      
      How is Jim Jordan’s jacketless history of abuse cover-ups going?
      
      Oh and we all know it won’t be Kev holding the gavel, he will just be the puppet for Donald.
      
      And President Ron? Such blasphemy! How dare you question the ability of Lord and Saviour 45 to win the primary from a courthouse! ??
      
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      July 28, 2021 2:02pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Must be tough having long TDS. Like most I’ve moved on – shame you haven’t.
        
        Trump won’t be running in 2024. He’s trolling you all.
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Frank, Trump is trolling the fake news media, and the media need numbers (CNN down 70%)
        They will do anything to mention the name ‘Trump’ and the lie. The media and Batman love attention.
        Still got that list Batman? You know, the list of those who were wrong about Trump. Post it …..
        
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        July 28, 2021 6:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Batman will change his name when that happens …..
      You heard it here first.
      DeSantis is needed in Florida, he is doing great. I would like to see Candace Owens run for VP. Too young? 32 now. Very very smart.
      I still reckon in years to come Candace will be the first black woman POTUS.
      Watch her some day to get an opinion that is not from the fake news
      
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      July 28, 2021 6:02pm
  - kevn
    
    @bat… I think you are here to amuse us.
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:04pm
    - Batman
      
      Churchill was also considered a joke for warning of the coming war, in the early thirties.
      
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      July 28, 2021 2:03pm
      - Adroit
        
        And other than running as a fifth column inside of Kiwiblog, what exactly are you here to warn us about?
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:20pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Much like Hillary and Obama thought Trump was a joke?
        
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        July 28, 2021 3:45pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Are you talking about the show trial? I keeping hearing that the “riots” resulted in 5 deaths every time I read about them. I don’t have much faith in your “evidence”.
    
    I also note that the first conviction has happened – 8 months in jail for standing in the Senate room for 15 minutes. The Prosecutors admitted that the guy did nothing beyond that but convinced the judge that he was a party to terrorism and therefore should have a library thrown at him. The thing is that not only has ZERO terrorism been proven but no-body is even up on terrorism charges. It is a truly disgusting decision by the Democrat judge but what did we expect.
    
    Also looking forward to every BLM protester being held accountable for all the destruction and murders etc that happened on their behalf.
    
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    July 28, 2021 1:31pm
- kevn
  
  @InOut…. Epic.
  
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  July 28, 2021 1:02pm
MrTips

Fact for the day that EVERYONE seems to be ignoring.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases

1129 people have been through/are in MIQ in NZ. It is our largest (by a factor of 3) source of COVID.
Approx. half dozen, maybe 10 have been to hospital. None are in hospital at present.
1 has died.

That is a mortality rate of 0.089%. Is that acceptable to Rod Jackson?

Either we have an incredible medical team looking after these MIQ folk (who will be bringing mainly delta and other variants here), or the virulence of these strains is low.
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July 28, 2021 1:00pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Covid19 is an endemic disease, and one with a mortality curve indistinguishable from a normal mortality curve.
  
  Being endemic means trying to “keep it out!!” of the country is as futile as building sandcastles to hold back the tide.
  
  In future we will look back our MIQ madness, acknowledging it as a epitaph to an utterly failed strategy.
  
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  July 28, 2021 1:30pm
  - Batman
    
    4 million dead around the world would beg to differ.
    
    You should get yourselves “pro-death and proud” t-shirts, that would be super cute.
    
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    July 28, 2021 2:05pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      280,000 people die every day.
      
      What’s your point (other than demonstrating pre-school level statistical skills) ?
      
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      July 28, 2021 2:09pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      On that logic we should ban cars given the amount of people that die on our roads each and every year.
      
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      July 28, 2021 3:38pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Do NOT give them ideas
        
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        July 28, 2021 9:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Let’s have some numbers of deaths from influenza, emphysema, bronchitis, pheumonia, organ cancer, Batman?
      Or has Covid and now the vax cured ALL of those things?
      Numbers buddy, or you are just diverting with a roving decimal point
      
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      July 28, 2021 6:19pm
  - Peter
    
    kk. A++ . A rare treat to see someone who understands the endemic nature of this “virus” and the fundamentals of immunology.
    
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    July 28, 2021 4:09pm
- MCos
  
  Fiji has taken the approach you seem to be advocating for NZ.
  Their health system is fucked and so would our’s be if the disease was left spread as it pleased.
  BTW
  In Thailand, where I’m told public hospitals no longer accept those infected with covid, people have been dying in the streets.
  
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  July 28, 2021 5:27pm
krazykiwi

London School of Economic students demand abolition of Hayek Society. Their Instagram page calls for …

The dissolution of HayekSoc and all other societies that call for the oppression of working class people from the LSESU. We believe in a no platform policy for those who discuss ideas which promote ideologies that are harmful to marginalised students. LSESU HayekSoc promotes free market fundamentalist views which outwardly call for the oppression of working class people. These kind of ideas have no place on campus. We also want other societies that promote these views to also be dissolved from the LSESU.

The society’s vice president Maxwell Marlow responded

This group is, of course, made up of hypocrites. They may be hiding behind amateurish Instagram graphics but if their Marxist and Labour sister societies have anything to show, it’s that a private school education is the perfect credential for being left-wing at universities. If they want to make LSE private school free, their self-purging would make Stalin proud. In comparison, three out of four of Hayek Society’s leadership are working-class, state-educated students! For the many, not the fees. We are always happy to discuss our ideas with anyone. We know that we don’t need to shut down other people or ideas by force because our arguments are built on rationalism, empiricism, and are victorious simply because we show that freedom is the best antidote to tyranny and malaise. But if you can’t beat ‘em, apparently you should shut ‘em up.
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July 28, 2021 1:25pm
- Batman
  
  I saw the Hayek society’s post and statement… It was absolutely fantastic.
  
  I particularly enjoyed that it turns out the other group is not formally affiliated and might in fact have its own legal issues with the LSE for copyright infringement ??
  
  They also recommended that those students actually attend their classes to find out how free markets work hahah
  
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  July 28, 2021 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Megan Woods telling ZB’s Kerry Woodham this morning…. that she knew NOTHING ABOUT Kainga Ora telling real estate agents, that if a particular property doesn’t sell at auction…. they would pay an extra $200K OVER the reserve!

Now on that basis, she should either sack the head of the KOra, or resign her portfolio.

Just saying.
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July 28, 2021 1:27pm
- Southern Raider
  
  KO actively pay above market rates. They aren’t adding to the total housing stock, they are using taxpayer money to stop first home buyers and kiwi families from attaining new builds.
  
  Developers know the best and most profitable way to get a sale is to let KO know you have some houses nearing completion.
  
  This is what happens when you give someone an open cheque book and don’t set KPI as new incremental housing stock, but just to buy whatever houses they can get as quick as possible.
  
  Also why does KO need $2M townhouses for state tenants?
  
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  July 28, 2021 2:14pm
  - sooty
    
    That’s for the elite during the week.
    Not the plebs!
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      A $2 million State townhouse?
      
      Peanuts, when you just have to get the forest god at the Reserve Bank to print another few score millions of dollars.
      
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      July 28, 2021 11:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’ve been thinking that T&Cs for purchase of a new electric vehicle subsidised by the state should include a mandatory bumper sticker. Two options occur to me:

A. I have removed my spa pool/ hot house/ other major electrical consumption device

B. I am happy for coal to be burned and exhaust fumes to be emitted in Huntley.

A. to be subject to ‘before’ & ‘after’ electricity bill audit, of course.
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July 28, 2021 1:44pm
kevn

@Maggie… Real Estate agents dream. Sellers not so much.
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July 28, 2021 1:54pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I was down in the cellar earlier choosing the wines to have with our evening meal. Started thinking to myself…. just how lucky all the benefit bludgers are, having someone like my partner involved in a number of successful business enterprises.
  
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  July 28, 2021 2:18pm
  - kevn
    
    @Maggie… Nice. A Zen red while the plebs just have Lion Red.
    
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    July 28, 2021 3:47pm
  - MCos
    
    I was down in the cellar earlier catching some food for our evening meal.
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some people may call you cellar a ‘basement’
    Wide open for that from the left, they have had 4 hours
    
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    July 28, 2021 6:26pm
Fisiani2

https://www.facebook.com/VGraphs/videos/518008449604363/
Fascinating.
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July 28, 2021 2:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Mesmerizing graphics. Shows well that GDP per capita is dependent on one or all of: –
  
  (a) Wealthy inhabitants (Monaco, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg)
  
  (b) Loads of IP (Switzerland)
  
  (c) Leveraging natural resources (Norway, Faroe Islands)
  
  Our PM seem determined to undermine each of these.
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:32pm
Gulag1917

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, uses only one dominant PR firm to psychologically shape most of his messages for public consumption.
Jacinda Ardern, doing the same?
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July 28, 2021 2:57pm
- sooty
  
  Cindy’s is the entire NZ media. The whole bloody lot of them!
  
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  July 28, 2021 5:54pm
JohnnyOverton

@TVNZ Olympic coverage we’re Aotearoa NZ, must have missed it, when did we change our nations name?

They’ve gone completely woke & crackers @ TVNZ. Tax payers have paid for purchase & broadcast of this shocking piece of FAKE ethnicity & history;

https://theconversation.com/anne-boleyn-in-defence-of-historical-inaccuracy-162136

This bullshit series is a traitorous, p.c. attack on English ethnicity, culture, history & the royal family & TVNZ have bought into it, shameful.
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July 28, 2021 3:04pm
- Batman
  
  Bloody snowflakes ❄️ huh? ?
  
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  July 28, 2021 3:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    ?Batty, I wouldn’t go as far as calling State TV and State radio snowflakes for pushing Maori language down our throats.
    
    Wokedom’s Warriors might be apt, though.
    
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    July 28, 2021 5:12pm
Faroffsound

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/winston-peters-says-jacinda-ardern-not-an-accidental-prime-minister

Well he would say that wouldn’t he …
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July 28, 2021 3:54pm
MrTips

A member of the public videos car thieves in the act in Auckland. This is probably playing out right across the country.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed, an observable trend in members of the public uniting and taking action (obviously not trying to get in harms way, although one guy in the article says he got too close) against such things?
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July 28, 2021 4:12pm
alloytoo

Why is every Advert I see on Youtube is an advert for Matariki associated with Covid 19.

As near as I can tell someone is using public health (Covid-19) funding to promote Matariki.

All it really doing in my case is associate Matariki with shut downs, economic mismanagement and pandemic.

Great spend of government NOT
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July 28, 2021 4:14pm
NoFax

I see Batman is back – either he was banned for sometime or had something better to do than talk nonsense here.

I was tempted to reply to him but I remembered that he doesn’t actually want to engage – drive by BS without ever replying to any counter-arguments. I wonder if he has ever changed his mind on anything?
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July 28, 2021 5:44pm
- Ian Boag
  
  doesn’t actually want to engage – drive by BS without ever replying to any counter-arguments. I wonder if he has ever changed his mind on anything?
  
  Sounds about right for a poster in the KB echo chamber …
  
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  December 28, 2020 6:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    Slumming it, are you, Ian B.?
    
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    July 28, 2021 11:25pm
graham

Apparently, the Auckland Police no longer exist. Seriously.

You might be surprised to hear this – possibly as surprised as I was to discover it from two sources. Firstly, listening to the news at 4:00 pm today, there was a report on car thefts, and the recommendations on how to reduce your risk as quoted by an Inspector from Tamaki Makaurau Police. Then, when I got home I found that I had received a form from the police to fill in regarding a recent matter, which was signed off by someone from Tamaki Makaurau Police.

So there you go folks. The Auckland Police are no more.
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July 28, 2021 6:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Um, they need to identify themselves. If ‘Tamaki Makaurau Police is not on the car, and not on the shirt, and not on the police hat with the badge; they are NOT the police.
  Now if a blue and white care flashes red/blue lights and has “POLICE” signs on it, and the uniform says “POLICE” They are probably the real Police.
  All C/- the woke Andrew Coster
  
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  July 28, 2021 6:39pm
rockape

For those who wonder why the PM nods so much here is the answer it’s a learned technique to influence. how agreement with nodding

If you nod your head, you are not only signalling agreement, but you are priming the other person to respond positively to you. When one person nods, most people feel an unconscious urge to nod back.

Start by nodding in agreement when the other person talks. Then, nod when you’re making your own statements, and watch how they start nodding back. When someone is already nodding, they are much more likely to start agreeing with your ideas or your proposal — providing you are suggesting something that is credible and reasonable. Don’t overdo it, though. Nodding too much or too excitedly might signal anxiety or a need to please.
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July 28, 2021 6:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sometimes I am in the middle of making a comment and make another tab to check spelling. Come back, and the unposted comment is gone>>>>>
Have the left infiltrated KIWIBLOG? Rather than delete, just disappear it before hitting enter?
This is not one off, it is maybe 3 times a week
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July 28, 2021 6:31pm
- [email protected]
  
  When that happens to me I write it off to old age. You think you do everything right but no-one is perfect, especially me. The only perfect thing I have ever done in my life is finding the most incredible wife who has put up with me for 48 years!
  
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  July 28, 2021 6:44pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Ask DPF ….
  
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  July 28, 2021 6:57pm
[email protected]

[Thanks info, passed on to the mods group. Cheers, Mod.]
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July 28, 2021 7:01pm
kiwikidsnz

It’s late in the day but cancel culture never sleeps

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/scientists-rubbish-auckland-university-professors-letter-claiming-maori-knowledge-is-not-science/GN55DAZCM47TOZUTPYP2Q3CSLM/
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July 28, 2021 7:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

And so it begins…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300368560/university-of-auckland-professor-relinquishes-role-after-claiming-mtauranga-mori-is-not-science
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July 28, 2021 8:32pm
- BananaLlama
  
  This Prof. Joanna Kidman seems like a real nasty piece of work.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  neo-Lysenkoism
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Kidman is a sociologist with Ngati Maniapoto and Ngati Raukawa tribal links.
  
  This is from a web site (link below):
  
  Joanna Kidman is a sociologist who works with Maori youth living in precarious economic circumstances in a wide range of urban, municipal and rural settings.
  
  Over the past 25 years, she has investigated the impact of institutional and systemic racism on Maori young people and their whanau. Her main focus is the ongoing impact of colonialism and associated state policies and practices linked to income poverty, high incarceration rates, and poor educational outcomes for Maori.
  
  She is particularly interested in working alongside Maori communities that are actively rebuilding tribal futures for taiohi Maori.
  
  “Taiohi Maori” in English is Maori youth.
  
  So, Kidman’s a Maori activist.
  
  Her academic background: Ph.D. in sociology, Australian National University and M.A. in education from Victoria University of Wellington.
  
  The abstract of Kidman’s Ph.D. thesis includes:
  
  “This case study of socialisation into academic life in New Zealand examines the legacy of British imperialism on higher education.”
  
  https://our.actionstation.org.nz/events/owning-our-history-new-zealand-wars-vincent-o-malley-joanna-kidman
  
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  July 28, 2021 10:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ll post this again tomorrow…

But deplatforming scientists is a technique that has a very well-known history.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c01475
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July 28, 2021 8:37pm
freemark

Today a NZ Facebook group called Voices For Freedom was shut down, apparently for “breaching community standards.”
This organisation posts generally factual information on the experimental gene therapy often referred to as a vaccine, and is also known for hosting healthy debate on Lockdowns etc.
A chilling indictment on the lengths being taken against dissent from the official Govt & MSM narrative.
Similar actions are being taken around NZ in (left-wing Cindy supporting) FB “community groups.”
I wouldn’t be surprised to see people taking strong action against this further erosion of free speech & ideas.
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July 28, 2021 8:38pm
graham

Goodness. What a surprise – and I say this as a cyclist.

Cyclists not using flash new bike facility in Auckland

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/on-yer-bike-cyclists-not-using-flash-new-bike-facility-in-auckland/XBFH7I7BCGHOPD5YW4IECPNQZE/

A flash new bike parking facility on Auckland’s North Shore, complete with charging and repair stations, CCTV and toilets, is missing one important thing – bicycles.

The bike park is part of the $36.1 million Toka Puia car park with 420 car parking spaces on Huron St, which opened last December to replace the loss of the nearby Anzac Ave car park for a new town square.

Unlike cars, bike parking is free. There are 56 parks for pedal bikes plus 28 charging stations for another 28 e-bikes, two fully equipped bike repair stations, four toilets and CCTV for security.

When the Herald visited there was just one electric bike parked in a corner, whose owner Angus McDonald said he had started using the facility about two weeks ago.

“The car park is quite full. This (bike park) is empty. It should be the other way round,” said McDonald.

Sadly, no matter how much Auckland Transport continues to fixate on bikes and throw millions of dollars at them, people simply aren’t going to give up the convenience of cars.

A North Shore cyclist who has kept an eye on the new bike park since it opened said he had never seen anyone use it.

What’s more, the keen road cyclist said he was worried the “white elephant” would be followed by the $685 million bike bridge across the Waitemata Harbour – ” the biggest “white elephant” New Zealand has ever seen!”

I agree – and I am a cyclist, who would actually use that bike bridge if it were built. But there is no way they will get the quoted figures commuting across it.
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July 28, 2021 9:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What an utter waste of money.
  
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  July 28, 2021 9:59pm
Jack5

Anyone sitting up late to watch the Olympic Games and interested in weight-lifting might enjoy this brief video clip of Li Fabin winning a gold in the 61kg class, using a “flamingo” one-leg stance to steady himself.

Li says he has a strong core and warns the technique could cause injury to a lifter.

https://youtu.be/K-KY39uBggc
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