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Maggie Pie

WHAT?!!

https://twitter.com/KiwiStreamNZ/status/1420657246669729794
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July 31, 2021 8:02am
- mandk
  
  The tweet lower down is more interesting:
  Huia pax contribute 40kg of CO2 per trip, but someone driving a used contributes 20kg.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:14am
  - Opie
    
    No surprises that a stupid train gives stupid results…
    
    What amazed me was a post further down referencing something that the otaki mp had said.
    
    By all accounts, it’s the first time I have heard her talk.
    
    This Teresa Ngobi did zero campaigning in the electorate, made no statements about what she stands for and could/would do for the electorate. She cant even make clear her position on whether the kapiti airport should be saved.
    
    Now, some 8 months later the first thing she does is to rip into a highly skilled professional (doctor) that had to leave the country because he couldn’t deal with the residency system that was taking top long.
    
    In her very own electorate, most doctors are not accepting new patients as they are too busy yet we do nothing to retain high level people? No worries, just make sure that fucken terrorist comes here instead. A good net gain for the country… not.
    
    How the fuck did this person win the electorate? Are we at the point where we need to check for voting irregularities?
    
    Oh no wait…
    Woman. Tick
    Not a whitey. Tick
    Massive picture of the … [Deleted – OTT. Mod.] on the campaign material. Tick
    She could have campaigned on drowning puppies and still got in.
    
    Another perfect example of New Zealand and its dumb voters.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:01am
    - Inandout
      
      Opie, a friend told me that the Manawatu Standard had an article on the doctor’s exit from Otaki, but not a single mention from that Ngoby lady. Maybe putting Labour MPs in a dark light is verboten.
      
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      July 31, 2021 1:21pm
      - igm
        
        Taxpayers’ money buys compliant press, especially Stuff publications . . . fucken disgraceful.
        
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        July 31, 2021 3:09pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Looking at the “dumbness” within my own family, I observe a deep level of indifference coupled with only a very superficial understanding of what is going on. It’s a kind of “couldn’t give a sh##, until the sky is falling in on me personally” mentality.
      
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      July 31, 2021 5:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Keep your eyes on Greenland if CO2 worries you:
    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/07/running-out-of-time-in-the-holocene/
    
    What if we are really lining up for a profound change to brrrr? Would the MSM tell you?
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:02am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Kev OMG it would be kind of delightful if after all the bleating, propaganda, cancel-culture and far left lunacy that infests climate science, the warmth just went on vacation and the climate hysteria mob were left shivering every summer for a good long while.
      
      After following all this for over 20 years I think there is a reasonable possibility something approximating that scenario could happen. If not, the world is set to spend trillions on a bunk hypothesis (that bunk hypothesis being human emitted Co2 {which is 3% of all CO2 emitted} is a significant driver of the earths climate). Those trillions could be spent on far more pressing and real problems that CAN be fixed.
      
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      August 1, 2021 2:01pm
- cmm
  
  You’ll have to get your partner into spearfishing if you want some fish on the table.
  
  To me that guy looks a bit less Tinder and a bit more Grindr, but what the hell would I know.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Hmmm, what do you know ……….
    
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    July 31, 2021 8:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Request to commenters below my original post….
  please try and remain on topic.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Twitter has topics? Who knew ……
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:32pm
Ra Henare

Have experienced 2 MIQ in NZ and one overseas.
My suggestion based on 30 years in the “systems”” game.

Objective. To efficiently allow relevant people to enter NZ while protecting the border.

Change MIQ application website. Its currently not fit for purpose.
1. Collect all relevant information in to one database and USE it!
2. Include credit card details.
4. Simplify booking.
a) put in date range required (1 week?).
b) allocate on first come first served basis
c) Notify allocation by email.
d) Not accepted in 24 hours, next on the list gets a chance.
Applicant goes back in the que

Arrival at airport.
1. Put charge against card $3100 for Kiwis $5000 for others
Note: Credit those that meet the freebee requirement after they exit Quarantine/adjust charges.
2. First checkpoint at airport.
Check ALL paperwork against MIQ application, Covid Test, visa, landing card etc.
Take temperatures.
3. Immigration/Customs data collection/scan passports as normal
4. Biosecurity/bag check as normal
5. Take Day zero swab.!!
6. Put Pax on Bus (check against Miq Application data all pax accounted for)

Arrival at Hotel.
1. Hotel staff check arrivals against MIQ darabase, issue key.
2. Hotel use Credit card details for incidental charges.
3. Check guests mobile phone number.
It’s the 21st century!! Everyone has a phone!
No phone. Give guest loaner phone.
Communicate with guests by txt message. Reduce the gazillion phone calls.

NOTE:
1. Maximize efficiency of staff.. Currently over staffed by NZDF. Why do they have 2 personnel on duty for everything?
2. Address shortage of nurses by recruiting 100 Philippine? nurses on contract. Great English, competent at taking swabs and checking for symptoms.
3. Allocate more hotel spaces.
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July 31, 2021 8:03am
- oldfella
  
  Ra, you’ll never get a job working for Labour with that kind of common sense.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:10am
- rouppe
  
  Why do they have 2 personnel on duty for everything?
  
  So one can wake up the other when they fall asleep
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:11am
- Antoine
  
  But that would mean not being shit
  
  A.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:22am
- peterquixote
  
  Ra H … and the only person who does not recognize this is MIQ joint head Megan Main who out of her depth, in such denial, that she can come up with the banal absurdity the booking system had performed “extremely well”, meaning that it lets everyone know they are locked lout of New Zealand and for God knows how long
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:10pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Great presentation, I only meant to watch an hour or so, and then ended up watching the whole thing. Especially good for me, was the excellent simplification of T-cells and antibodies, in relation to Covid, by Professor Bhakdi. There has to come a time, I imagine, with the availability of all this information, when people who blindly push the experimental jabs, and call people who don’t want to be part of the unpaid clinical trials silly and stupid, a time when their intentions and motivations will be questioned by the masses, or the silent majority.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/live
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July 31, 2021 8:07am
- peterquixote
  
  KIP, you’re a gem, your references and comments make it well worth coming here to see, keep it up brother
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:14pm
fernglas

Did the ISIS lady have to book a spot in MIQ, like every other New Zealander?
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July 31, 2021 8:11am
- pdm
  
  Lady ???????
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Under all that cloth who would really know and who would be brave enough to ask ……
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:29am
- peterquixote
  
  No, she took my place, I was considered wrong shape, too pink, too old, not diverse, too dangerous.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:17pm
Happychappy

After last night’s release of the Roy
Morgan poll I would think their would be many people out there like me that think Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister
could commit murder and the fickle voted in New Zealand would come her rescue with excuse’s of why it happened
and defend the indefensible.
Being a sorting fan, I want to see the best of sport happen, just like the Bledisloe rugby cup in the days of Covid-19 last year, but I definitely don’t want to see it used for Political advantage like the Prime Minister and Finance Minister have done over the past two years.
The Prime Minister and her MP’s have gone out of their way to tell the public of the economic advantage this game will bring but send in a novice MP Minister Dr Ayesha
Verrall to defend the lies of this will benefit the economy to the tune of
$20 million when the Auckland City Council and its Mayor have said a previous match had only bought in less than $1 million? Unsure. Surely this is a Political decision, yes Dr Ayesha Verrall conceded it was. Because, let’s be honest won’t go down well in the polls.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125920257/points-of-order-dr-ayesha-verrall-in-the-deepend-as-the-govt-rescues-the-bledisloe-cup-from-a-problem-it-created
So Jacinda Ardern and Labour lie again and send out Dr Ayesha Verrall a Junior Minister to try and cover it up.
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July 31, 2021 8:11am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I know you like “porting” happy but better not to get on the bottle too early.
  Alyesha Verral is an infectious-diseases physician who has worked as a senior lecturer at the University of Otago, Wellington and as a member of the Capital and Coast District Health Board. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she provided the Ministry of Health with an independent review and recommendations for its contact-tracing approach to COVID-19 cases.
  She is the best qualified Minister to do the job, try working that out before you have another snog.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She’s still a very junior Minister amongst a bunch of incompetent amateurs.
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    What do you understand about Politics Brian, very little by your posts many would say, if you had a brain it would be lonely I would suggest.
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:56am
  - Adroit
    
    The Ayesha Verral that did an ‘independent’ review into the COVID response, and then out of nowhere, after giving the Govt a clean bill of health, appeared on their party list and is now an MP? Oooh, that Ayesha Verral.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:11am
  - cmm
    
    ” she provided the Ministry of Health with an independent review”
    
    Although she was not an MP at the time, she was clearly well on the way to becoming one. Independent is hardly the word for it.
    
    Having a go at someone for a spelling error is pretty pathetic, even for you.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:13am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Having a go at someone for a spelling error is pretty pathetic, even for you.
      
      Brian wasn’t “having a go” at him; he was mocking him. And rightly so.
      
      Happychappy puts up lengthy comments here every day. They are badly worded, riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, suffer badly from poor layout, and amount to little more than rants.
      
      I realise he almost certainly “blasts out” his comments by way of his smart phone, but that assumed fact should cause him to take far more care than he does; to have a little more respect for his fellow Kiwibloggers than he has displayed hitherto.
      
      After all, we’re the ones who he hopes will decide to wade through his contributions. The least he could do is make that task much less of a trial.
      
      Rant over.
      
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      July 31, 2021 10:55am
      - Happychappy
        
        Big words from a imbecile that likes to ridicule others for there spelling or stories that he seems to think he is the expert in,when really he is rude and bulling . Well Mister smart arse I have continually stated I was never that good at English in school but that never stopped me getting top jobs and like you I have the right whether you don’t agree or not to voice my opinion and to my knowledge this Government have not changed that yet.
        
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        July 31, 2021 4:20pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Wow! Triggered.
        
        I can’t recall ever ridiculing anyone for their spelling. How is my comment “rude and bullying”? What reason do you have for referring to me as an “imbecile”? Because I criticised you? That’s pathetic.
        
        I have no problem with you “voicing your opinion”. In fact, this is the first time I have ever reacted to you; and it just so happens I did it indirectly!
        
        I think I might have inadvertently unearthed an inferiority complex on your part. Sorry about that.
        
        All I’m saying is, take more care with your diatribes in future, so that we don’t have to keep pausing, to ask ourselves what you’re saying, and to go back and re-read a sentence to work that out. Okay?
        
        Accept my perfectly valid criticism, and move on.
        
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        July 31, 2021 4:57pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Steve Todd you are the one with the inferiority complex and have a short memory as you are aways making statements about others and trying to ridicule people like Kevin O’Brien, whilst he might upset you with his view it’s his right and opinion but like Brian McDonald and yourself you continually try to belittle those that voice a opinion that you disagree with.
        
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        July 31, 2021 5:25pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Oh is diddums upset because it looks like it in both posts.
        
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        July 31, 2021 5:32pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Happychappy @ 5:25PM
        
        Sorry, Happy. You are quite wrong.
        
        I have never ridiculed KevO’Brien, and never would. I totally respect his right, and the right of all of us, to express his / our opinions.
        
        I have previously said I like Kev (here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/01/general_debate_04_january_2021.html/comment-page-1#comment-2868260), and have also implied that I respect him — [He is] someone it is possible to engage with — (here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/07/general_debate_01_july_2021.html/comment-page-1#comment-2967445).
        
        Admittedly, I have also pointed out, here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/06/when_will_this_minority_be_helped.html/comment-page-1#comment-2949987, that he has a tendency towards self-aggrandisement, which he does.
        
        You seem to equate disagreeing with “others”, as ridiculing them. You need to get hold of a dictionary.
        
        This blogsite is not a right-wing echo chamber, Happy. In the interests of debate, our gracious host welcomes differing views. It is rather instructive that, on the one occasion that someone, i.e., me, disagreed with you, you couldn’t handle it; that you lost your rag, spluttering near-incoherently in response.
        
        Oh, by the way, there is no inferiority complex here, Happy. I can’t imagine how you thought such a thing.
        
        I have to say, in my eyes, these exchanges have caused me to regard you in a whole different light; a light that is not complimentary to you.
        
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        July 31, 2021 6:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “she provided the Ministry of Health with an independent review ”
    
    While an active labour party member and soon to be candidate plus a high spot on the list ….
    
    Independent my arse.
    
    Do you read the rubbish you write before you hit enter?
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:28am
  - Cassandra
    
    Better not ever allow a typo through, Brian. Glass houses and all. How Verrall’s medical expertise qualifies her to defend an economic statement seems to be missing from your comment.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:30am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “Alyesha Verral is an infectious-diseases physician …”
      
      Brian can’t even spell Ayesha Verrall’s name correctly. Hoist by his own petard, which being more of a damp squib, is sadly unlikely to do him any harm.
      
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      July 31, 2021 8:10pm
Simon

Some good news. Joe Biden is so far gone he can’t remember being bribed by the CCP so their veiled threats are useless.
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July 31, 2021 8:12am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think the CCP will have that problem with the Nats.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:09am
Simon

Zero covid fascism. But at least Mussolini could get the ro vax rollout to run on time.
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July 31, 2021 8:14am
- peterwn
  
  I missed Benito when in Italy a few years ago. Some trains I used did not run on time.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:25am
  - peterquixote
    
    peterwyn … Benito was hanging around for a while I think but then he went underground .
    
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    July 31, 2021 8:41pm
gorse

Stuff cartoon today, trying to belittle Mike Hosking and his Covid stance. Trouble for them is that the “award” given to Mike should be real. He seems to be one of the very few in the media to be talking sense.
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July 31, 2021 8:20am
- pdm
  
  You can add in Peter Williams and usually Heather du Plessis-Allen (Mrs Soper) to that group of sensible broadcasters. I don’t listen to Ryan Bridge but he too seems to have a good reputation.
  
  The are a small but select group.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Heather can “pop off” the reservation from time to time …..
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:26am
  - crikey
    
    pdm: The(y) are a small but professional select group.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:46am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “They” – plural
      “group” – singular
      
      If you’re going to get picky, crikey, do the job properly.
      
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      July 31, 2021 8:13pm
      - peterquixote
        
        So does this mean Journalists are singular groupies.
        
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        July 31, 2021 8:45pm
- nathie
  
  Noticed this week, yet another cartoon NOT holding the government and their failures to account.
  
  You’d be lucky if there was one per month.
  
  Anyway yet another example demonstrating that newspaper political cartoonists are morally corrupt people!
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:32am
  - kevn
    
    @Nathie… Herald on a big push back on behalf of their paymasters today.
    
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    July 31, 2021 3:43pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Check out (and subscribe to) Bassett, Brash and Hide – https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/
    
    You’ll find excellent regular cartoons from Garrick Tremain.
    
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    July 31, 2021 8:14pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Perhaps it is pay-back for Hoskings berating Stuff for not allowing Seymour to respond to claims about him?
  Tit for tat, if you like.
  I fancy, though, Hoskings has the bigger audience, so win to him.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:09am
  - Nickc2
    
    No doubt you are already in the Club House oldgolfer. The radio personality’s name to whom you refer is Hosking.
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:18pm
- BeaB
  
  Are we the only country in the world where our political cartoonists and satirists never hold the government to account or speak truth to power but instead concentrate their efforts on the opposition and even politicians from other countries?
  They must all just adore Jacinda and her superb cabinet.
  Poor old T0m Scott clearly misses the irony in lambasting Mike Hosking while never being reluctant to offer his own, one assumes, well-qualified and expert opinions.
  
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  July 31, 2021 12:32pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Another Kiwi ex-mate falls by the way. That’s two now, who have fallen into darkness. The other one is a rich property developer. Went to uni with this one:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/27-07-2021/if-i-cry-when-i-get-my-vaccination-it-will-be-for-mum/
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July 31, 2021 8:23am
- Tall Man
  
  The spinoff …….. nuff said, $6,100,000 …….
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:27am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    It reminds me of this: http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/mayor-of-london-global-overpopulation-is-the-real-issue/
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:38am
    - Matt Long
      
      Why is it I wonder that the people who cry overpopulation see other people as the problem?
      
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      July 31, 2021 10:15am
      - Tall Man
        
        khan has 7 siblings and 2 children of his own.
        
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        July 31, 2021 10:25am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    Similarities to Justin Trudeau also is seems:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/121616432/central-otago-mayor-apologises-for-blackface-performance
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:54am
- peterquixote
  
  Yes, darkness and simplicity; as if there was any similarity at all between an antigen based vaccine and the spike protein jabs.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:05pm
Frank Hematuria

Andrew Little, ex-Union leader, still hasn’t figured out that the members tell the union what the bottom line is, not the other way round. He would do well to visit some hospitals, talk to nursing staff, observe them at work especially at peak times and overnight, talk to patients – and to those on waiting lists – before sounding off. Or, maybe not because his current stance is pissing off nursing staff and the DHBs enough to cause Labour some well deserved problems.
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July 31, 2021 8:24am
- ngatimozart
  
  Yes I saw Angry Andy on the idiot box last night spitting the dummy. He’s a class traitor that one, turning on his own people. That won’t go down well at all.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:58am
MCos

Mr Bean, PM of the UK
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1420832544916922369?s=21
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July 31, 2021 8:33am
JibberJabber

If you think that government action is the answer, at least look at the facts and test your belief against facts, rather than just keep repeating words that are popular.

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1421176858733854731
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July 31, 2021 8:34am
Benedict Yu

This will provide an incentive to get vaccinated in Australia. It is a commitment to open up travel and movement to the vaccinated.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/vaccinated-australians-will-avoid-lockdown-restrictions-once-we-hit-70-percent-target-20210730-p58ekc.html

Of course as I predicted a few weeks ago it will effectively be a vaccine passport with those who are unvaccinated never allowed to leave or enter Australia for the foreseeable future.
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July 31, 2021 8:43am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Seen Cactus Kate today? She’s having quite the wobbly
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/07/anti-vaxx-australasia-your-time-is-up.html
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:46am
  - Cinematic
    
    Wow. That’s unhinged. Quite an enjoyable read.
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:16am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Unhinged is quite right, it astounds me that someone as smart as her still hasn’t worked out that vaccinated or not the political class have decided we are never traveling again. You just have to see the goalposts constantly shifting to realise this.
      Covid ends when we say enough but I fear we will see the vaxed turn on and probably even kill a few of the hold outs before this ends.
      
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      July 31, 2021 11:27am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        If you think Cactus Kate is smart, may I show you this lovely bridge for sale at a very attractive price?
        
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        July 31, 2021 8:17pm
      - Cactus Kate
        
        Hi.
        Funnily enough I’m travelling quite nicely. What are you doing to assist that for yourself?
        I bet you have climbed over others to get vaxxed.
        
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        August 1, 2021 1:40am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “I bet you have climbed over others to get vaxxed.”
        
        How much would you like to bet?
        
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        August 1, 2021 7:19pm
  - kowtow
    
    I refudiate her premise that it’s the unvaxxed holding things up and that they’re to blame .
    That’s bollocks.
    It’s govt’s insisting that all get vaxxed with an experimental , emergency treatment that is the problem.
    
    Let the vulnerable and fearful get their vax , protect them , but let the rest of us live without this massive state intrusion.
    
    Afterall the science tells us the vast majority will be unaffected by it , so why all the wet wetting?
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Arguing with Cactus Kate is pointless – she knows everything and is never wrong. Funny though, I checked out her most recent efforts and you never seem to see any comments on her ~~rants~~ posts. No idea why, it can’t be because nobody reads her.
      
      At least Jones gets some comments, though they’re invariably cringe-inducing e.g. “well said, Sir Bob, you’re super-brainy!”
      
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      July 31, 2021 8:24pm
    - Cactus Kate
      
      What are you doing about that? If you are not vaccinated you’re not going anywhere. Are you marching in the street against Ardern to protect your right or just commenting on a blog?
      
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      August 1, 2021 1:42am
    - Cactus Kate
      
      You do know that you’re commenting on a blog where the author and his family have proudly been vaccinated?
      
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      August 1, 2021 1:48am
    - Cactus Kate
      
      And what are you doing about that? NZ isn’t going anywhere until xx percent get vaccinated over Australia’s standard. You know Ardern has the Oz standard as the minimum.
      
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      August 1, 2021 2:01am
  - peterquixote
    
    Kate is an authoritarian arrogant personality, always was. She knows nothing of medicine, Immunology, physiology, biochemistry or common sense
    
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    July 31, 2021 8:55pm
    - Cactus Kate
      
      LOL
      
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      August 1, 2021 1:43am
- Cinematic
  
  Why? If those that are vaccinated can still spread covid what’s the difference?
  
  I get it if it’s a vaccination mandate by stealth. But not as a response to the spread of the disease.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:51am
  - Fletch
    
    I’m holding out for Petrovsky’s COVAX-19 vaccine, which is protein based, like vaccines given to billions of kids every day around the world with no ill effects, and also stops transmission.
    
    https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/541113168/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:27am
- cmm
  
  C’mon you know they won’t really give up all that power that easily.
  
  We’re already seeing that fully vaccinated is not enough. You’ll probably be required to keep the vaccinations up to date with the 6 months boosters etc.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:56am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  “Once the national vaccination total hits 80 per cent, broad lockdowns will not be used in major cities, caps on returning Australians will be abolished and all restrictions on vaccinated travellers leaving the country will be removed.”
  
  I assume this 80% target means that all the kids are going have to be vaccinated as well?
  
  80% is a lot more than any country has vaccinated so far…
  
  I’m not convinced about this at all. Oz is almost as crazy as NZ. At the end of the article they have a local “expert” and nutter basically babbling like pinky.
  
  What a mess…
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes it is a mess. The vaccination rate will rise over time. I am guessing it will stall at 85 percent. Over 80s will be 99 percent.
    
    Let’s face it, if the alternative is no flying on planes, no access to gyms, sporting events, theatre etc, most people are going to get vaccinated. But I guess some people don’t do any of those things so don’t care
    
    The bottom line is that if you are unvaccinated you are going to find it impossible or difficult to do a whole bunch of things that make life enjoyable.
    
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    July 31, 2021 11:22am
    - Ed Snack
      
      And yet vaccinating the under 20’s is unethical an immoral, at least with the current data we have to work with. The risk of the vaccines (the current ones we have) is at least as high as the risk of catching Covid for healthy younger people.
      
      May change as we get better data (or more comprehensive and vetted data) and/or better, safer, vaccines.
      
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      July 31, 2021 12:54pm
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        Sure, vaccinating children and babies could be controversial.
        
        Also, vaccine passports might need a huge bureaucracy. I was just intending to have the first two jabs, and not bother with the third booster shot, which they say will be needed almost straight away.
        
        If new jabs are going to be required every six months or so, will these vaccine passports keep track of this? I can also imagine fake documentation being rife.
        
        My thoughts were I would catch Rona at some point, so gain natural immunity, and I wouldn’t keep getting vaccinations six monthly… I may need to think again…
        
        Anyway, it is good of the Oz government to be open and give some indication of what the rules will be, to aid planning.
        
        Our completely useless gurning Prime Minister has told us absolutely nothing of use so far. I really cannot stand her.
        
        I think the whole problem stems from a loss of face by the Oz and NZ governments. If everything is simply opened up and we learn to live with the Ro, these governments could be criticised for overreacting to Ro to date.
        
        The vaccines really don’t seem much chop to me. Was it really worth spending 40% of GDP hiding under our beds waiting for this magic potion?
        
        Still, the bottom line is, I will vaccinate, mainly because I want to travel et al. I’ve been bullied. Such is life…
        
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        July 31, 2021 2:57pm
  - Cactus Kate
    
    Yep so what happens? The point being get vaccinated then when these target are almost hit (they’re ridiculous I agree) march in the streets violently for our freedoms. I cannot see any other outcome happening. At the moment sitting on the sideline whinging and moaning about the vaccine isn’t the best strategy. Get it then demand your life back.
    
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    August 1, 2021 2:06am
- redeye
  
  Wondering if tattooing the vaccinated will be required.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:06am
- Nickc2
  
  What’s the problem with Vaccine Passports anyway?
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:56am
  - tf78
    
    Nickc2 – I guess you have to have the vaccine. I don’t want it – I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette.
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:40pm
    - Nickc2
      
      To date, we still have personal choices. Will it last?
      I’m picking there are things we do in life and things we take for granted that will disappear over a very short period of time unless we get vaccinated against Covid-19.
      I don’t believe in bowing to this Govt’s dictates but I choose to travel overseas so if travel dictates I have a vaccination, I will.
      If they include the fact I have been vaccinated on my Passport or Drivers License, I don’t care. It’s the price I choose to pay.
      
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      July 31, 2021 1:53pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It depends on what it entitles you to do vs someone without such passports.
    
    Are you fine with restaurants demanding to see your passport before you can enter?
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:42pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I don’t have a problem with anything that requires some form of identification eg your driving license. It would just be another data field included on the obverse side of the license as are permitted classes of vehicles.
      Let’s face it Benedict we don’t find it difficult to present our Passports when traveling which have personal electronic data entities embedded in code.
      Also, we don’t have difficulty when presenting our Credit/Debit cards when paying for something and we don’t have a problem with swipe cards for our Garages/Gates etc.
      As a footnote Benedict, IMO we don’t know half of what’s embedded in the code of any electronic card we carry and readily use.
      
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      July 31, 2021 1:09pm
      - sooty
        
        Is the rona shot passport going to turn in to a national ID card?
        
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        July 31, 2021 5:28pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Sooty @ 5.28.
        
        No. It will be an international ID card.
        
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        July 31, 2021 8:21pm
- kowtow
  
  That’s not a commitment. It’s a bribe and threat . it is also contrary to a once dearly held belief , nay human right , of freedom of movement , a basic .
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    Whilst I don’t support what pollies are doing under the guise of Covid-19, we are currently powerless to do anything about it eg Cindy just says “I refute that” and walks away from the interview like dictators of the past and that’s the end of it.
    The sheeple just roll over and wait for another morsel to be thrown their way.
    Advance all Calendars by two years (it’s now 2023) and have another election FFS!
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Sooty @5:28PM
    Sorry, I hit the wrong button. A Marxist Govt is always looking at ways to track and control its voters and enemies alike.
    Should a Covid Passport be mandated, beware of what information (factual or otherwise) the Govt has about you is not downloaded to that passport for political reasons. Question everything.
    
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    July 31, 2021 7:32pm
- peterquixote
  
  It’s not an incentive, it’s coercion from an utterly pathetic and inept Government. I hope Australians riot all the way leaving Morrison in the wake.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:11pm
I remember when

How are Planter Boxes being received:
Planter Boxes uprooted after one crash too many in Picton: 13/3/20.
Petition calls for council to remove ‘weed troughs’/Otago. 10/2/21
More than 1260 had signed a petition by 9/2/21.
The project cost $150,000 – 90% from NZTA Innovating Streets for People Fund.
Van left balanced on Planter Boxes as motorist mishaps continue with cycle lane trial: 31/7/21. Palmerston North.
Nearby businesses report vehicles crashed into boxes at least five times a week.
Onehunga traffic quieten by planter boxes but critics get loud: 31/3/21.
Streets Alive – Shaping Gore’s Future: 30/6/21.
The three-month trials, part of NZTA Innovative Streets programme, end at 27/6/31.
All concrete planter boxes have been removed. Schools and community approached to repurpose them.
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July 31, 2021 8:52am
cmm

I find it really stupid when people say a loud bang was like a bomb going off. How does that help describe anything? Very few people have actually heard a bomb going off (I have, but that’s an outlier).

But his one is even more ridiculous: Getting infected with CV19 is apparently like doing 20 rounds with Mike Tyson. Nobody has ever done 20 rounds with Mike Tyson.

Fully vaccinated and they still get CV19 this badly…. Hmmmm.

Either they’re being complete wimps or they don’t have enough faith in the holy water.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-six-new-zealand-athletes-on-us-scholarships-catch-virus/EXD3KUTTFNVXXOKDAJSASRYYJU/
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July 31, 2021 8:53am
- Cinematic
  
  It sounds like the flu. Having had it a few times I’d say the flu is like brawling with Mike Tysons declawed tiger for 15 seconds.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I would be surprised if you have had influenza “a few times”. Were you diagnosed?
    
    Influenza will typically put you into bed for 5 days. Everything will ache. You will have a fever. You will be off work for two weeks and take a month to fully recover. Those caring for you will be wearing masks.
    
    These are classic symptoms of the “flu”. I hear people weekly telling me they have the flu. They have no such thing. Indeed this winter no cases of flu have been reported in New Zealand.
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:48pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That may be true Benedict, but I had the Man Flu once and it was worse than going 50 rounds with Mike Tyson and his fully-clawed tiger, whilst crawling over broken beer bottles with Nanaia Mahuta on my shoulders.
      
      Lesser men than me would’ve perished but I came right after a couple of days 🙂
      
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      July 31, 2021 8:28pm
    - peterquixote
      
      Benedict’s medical degree is in the post.
      
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      July 31, 2021 9:16pm
- I remember when
  
  No cmm.
  BUT IF THEY DID – it would be like getting covid.
  ? Present day Mike Tyson or the younger world champion Mike Tyson.
  
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  July 31, 2021 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    I am old enough to remember when Joe Louis was the benchmark for such claims.
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:18am
- MCos
  
  I’ve not been stricken with covid-19 and I’ve no intention of finding out just how bad it can be, which is why I’m inoculated against it’s worst effects, so I’m told.
  Two things have caused me all sorts of distress. An operation to replace my hip joint, probably because the opportunity was taken to rectify inequality of the lengths of my legs and the breakdown of my first marriage.
  There’s no way I’d attempt to compare either to anything else. They’re unique occurrences.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If I can offer some soothing words, at least the hip operation stopped you walking in circles, and they say you should marry your second wife first.
    
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    July 31, 2021 8:30pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Today’s Dom Post continues to pimp the 1970s Dawn Raid apology. Yet another example of the upside down world in which we now live.

One can only suppose that its proponents advocate doing away with immigration controls altogether.
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July 31, 2021 8:55am
Tomtoddy

There is always a strong tendency to try and resolve problems, both real and imagined by making new restrictive laws. Politicians, generally love it. There is huge pressure on Ministers to “fix” problems, back benchers are obliged to have a bill in the draw hoping for some exposure and pressure groups lobby around the clock for regulations to resolve their particular heartache.

Laws are meant to be a deterrent and a means of penalising miscreants. Do they work? Only part of the time. Put your hand up if you have never exceeded 100kph? Told you so – not a single hand went up. Are they a deterent? Sometimes. Drivers slow down if they see a van with dark windows parked on the side of the road. Then they speed back up again.

Police readily admit they overlook certain practises or minor breaches. There is just too much regulation on too many fronts and too few cops to demand every law is policed.

Proposed hate speech law and conversion therapy laws will not stop what happens now. Some lobbyists will feel better. Politicians will thump their chests. The media will crow but on the ground the “problem” so-called will continue.

It is simple a feel good, time wasting interference in our lives and one more freedom lost forever.
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July 31, 2021 9:04am
- cmm
  
  In the case of the hate speech laws it is doubly problematic because:
  * The definition of hate speech is so subjective.
  * It is not applied uniformly to all people.
  
  A bit like saying we need speed restrictions, but:
  * Leaving the speeds arbitrary.
  * Letting different people drive at different speeds depending on the colour of their skin.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    A silly poster here tried to frame a statement as “hate speech”.
    
    The statement was “islam is a cult of death”.
    
    There was no “call for action or reaction”, it was just a statement of opinion, much like Judith Collin’s statement earlier in the week. Perhaps that’s why the labour intern tried to turn the comment into hate speech.
    
    The statement is also taken out of context which is a trick often used by a lazy debater and often a fuller explanation defuses the comment which is why it is “clipped” to make an impact.
    
    Now standing outside a mosque displaying a sign with those words may not move it into the “Hate Speech” legislation proposal but it would already be classified as offensive and dealt with by existing laws.
    
    My opinion is that the proposed legislation, which will probably never happen, would be designed to be vague enough to allow a government to utilise it to quash speech or comment that it didn’t like by labelling it “hate speech” and using a compliant judicary to take action against those that would speak out against the government. We already know we have enough compliant judges.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    The vagueness of the laws is the scariest part of them, it allows for the victimisation of particular groups or individuals at the whims of those in authority.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:23am
    - Ed Snack
      
      The vagueness and the ability to use it for political repression isn’t a bug, it’s a feature !
      
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      July 31, 2021 12:56pm
  - oldfella
    
    cmm, the always-excellent Karl du Fresne keeps up the push for free speech.
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/07/another-dismal-setback-for-intellectual.html
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:45am
  - chukar
    
    Always forgotten is that law should defend the individual against a sometimes rapacious State
    Trouble is ,the state often misuses it’s powers, by creating more and more laws to coerce the populace to do their bidding.And also far too often they only enforce the laws they feel are appropriate.
    We need a Magna Carta moment to restrict Governments powers to a template that enables people to live their own lives!
    Westminster politics does not work with MMP !
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:04pm
    - Nickc2
      
      So true. Abuse of power is rife in NZ and I can’t see any improvement forthcoming in the near future. Can anyone else?
      
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      August 1, 2021 10:30am
- Bluegrass
  
  The Left favors big government because the Left believes that the answer to all ills is more government/more legislation/more rules and regulations/more ‘training’/more counseling .
  
  Excessive government laws and regulations/’guidance’ is a form of Statism which creates a captive mendicant breed of citizen dependent on the State’s largesse.
  
  Where the State confers and grants rights to its citizens, the citizens end up being owned by the State.
  
  This is totalitarianism.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:33am
- ngatimozart
  
  I actually don’t have a problem with the conversion therapy law because serious harm and fatalities have been caused by a fake therapy.
  
  WRT the hate speech laws there are absolutely no grounds for such laws because current law has more than sufficient provision to prosecute hate speech.
  
  What has to be remembered by all is that whilst the freedom of speech is a right, that right carries a responsibility that the individual exercises that right with due care and consideration of others within their society.
  
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  July 31, 2021 12:07pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    If we have one, it needs to be worded that attempts to persuade someone to change gender is treated equally. Right now that would put a lot of the trans mob in jeopardy.
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:57pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “What has to be remembered by all is that whilst the freedom of speech is a right, that right carries a responsibility that the individual exercises that right with due care and consideration of others within their society.”
    
    I disagree entirely. The whole point of freedom expression/freedom of speech is that it can be exercised without consideration of others. Forcing people to limit their speech based on “due care and consideration of others within their society” is the antithesis of free speech.
    
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    July 31, 2021 9:37pm
Souvlaki

Fot those of you who are not ZB listeners…its worth going to their website & replaying Kris Faafoi’s trainwreck interview last night. I have to say…I felt quite optimistic after hearing it…he has killed Labour as a voting option for ANY Christian voters & most Polynesians I suspect. Below David Seymours press release:

https://www.act.org.nz/_faafoi_must_urgently_clarify_hormone_blocker_comments
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July 31, 2021 9:06am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Wasn’t he meant to be the Great Brown Hope and the smartest guy in the room
  
  Disturbing
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    He was and he is …… Now that’s really disturbing ……
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Lower middle grade backbencher max. Shines by comparison to the other tongue tied, or should be, colleagues.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:08am
    - Nickc2
      
      He was a journalist in a previous life thus he’s not accustomed to having his words challenged.
      
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      July 31, 2021 10:47am
  - Inandout
    
    WD, Kris is an ex TV reporter. My God we scrape the bottom of the barrel.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You can here the interview here:
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/kris-faafoi-you-cant-try-to-change-someones-sexual-orientation-or-gender-identity/
  
  Isn’t it odd that Faafoi has had enough time to draft legislation to appease a few activists, but as Immigration Minister, he has been sitting on his hands for almost a year.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/patricks-pain-i-didnt-know-who-the-person-staring-back-at-me-was/news-story/65ff86c8bfe269109f1b28cbeb93ab7a
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7657011/transgender-man-wanted-to-change-back-woman/
    
    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/patricks-pain-i-didnt-know-who-the-person-staring-back-at-me-was/news-story/65ff86c8bfe269109f1b28cbeb93ab7a
    
    There are many such stories. Shame really.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:08am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Well, there are two in the three links you’ve posted above. Posting the same thing twice doesn’t count as two such stories.
      
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      July 31, 2021 9:50pm
  - oldfella
    
    Wow, still fiddling while Ayoteearower burns.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:30am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    There are thousands who have been fucked over by the governments about face and illogical rules on immigrants. The latest scam is those waiting for work visa renewals or upgrade visa applications from work to residency visas are no longer being put on interim visas whilst approvals are pending. This means they can not work and in some cases have to leave the country. These are people in full time employment and in most cases; yep you guessed it, skill shortage jobs. So stuck in a country they can’t leave, no income and NZ businesses further hamstrung by bureaucratic nonsense.
    
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    July 31, 2021 11:14am
  - emmess
    
    Just listened to that
    Our leaders are monsters, it is disgusting
    
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    July 31, 2021 11:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Faafoi is only doing as he is told – as usual.
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:28pm
  - tui47
    
    Faafoi is sitting on his hands regarding immigration because he has no doubt been told to. This is Labour’s way of quietly limiting immigration and it has clearly become their policy. He was also told to instead push the anti gay conversion legislation to keep the UN happy. This is all about Labour’s agenda and their so called transformation of NZ. Jacinda and Co naively believe that if there are no immigrants then Kiwis will take the jobs instead. It doesn’t matter if those Kiwis don’t bother to work as hard as an immigrant. Labour don’t care about the end result for business as to them it is more about providing work for lazy New Zealanders. Labour just don’t understand that some Kiwis do not want to work.
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:58pm
- Matt Long
  
  The Soviet Union had an approved Christian church, and China has the 3 Self movement, there are always a group of people who will promote themselves as Christians who follow the Party line.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    China has done a deal with the Taliban – keep away from our Muslim Uyghurs, and we will give you a clean run with the poppies too !
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:31pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  10 year old girl comes home. “Mum I am a boy.”…. “No you are a girl”.
  
  Girl tells teacher mum won’t let her be a boy. Nek minit parent gets visited by authorities asking to explain.
  
  Outlandish? I have no idea. Depends what the new law says.
  
  IMO if I had a child who came home and said that it would be straight off to the psychiatrist. Oh no the waiting time to see a child psychiatrist in New Zealand is forever.
  
  I am no expert in this area but you would want to be damn sure your kid wasn’t just going through some weird phase before you gave her a bunch of drugs. In turn that requires access.. Urgent access to a multi disciplinary team of experts. Right now that is impossible. All you would get are some trans activists, a social worker and a lecture on Maori Science.
  
  This thing could be a train wreck with tragic results for children who are just confused..
  
  A last observation. This thing is TOTALLY different from a 14 year old saying she is gay. That is great and she should be supported and celebrated. Because at 24 she might decide that she is bi or whatever. None of that matters. Totally different to being given drugs and surgery. No coming back.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s deserving of wider dissemination Benedict.
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:18pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is a lot of pressure for sexual experimentation by the young. Some of this is by committed crusaders seeking converts to their preferred lifestyle.
    
    Unless hormone therapy is indicated on medical grounds, like a genetic male who has not been fully equipped and needs testosterone, gender assignment or modifications should be withheld until they are adults and can make their own minds up without puberty clouding their judgement.
    
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    July 31, 2021 12:42pm
  - tf78
    
    Benedict, they ban conversion but legalize perversion – I don’t get it.
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:03pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  In fairness, it’s the parents of the often bewildered, curious, attention-seeking 12-year-olds who are right behind the gender-bending BS. They are evil, and should be jailed and prevented from ever having or caring for children again.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:53pm
BananaLlama

What will sink Labour with Women will be education and justice reforms.
Forcing little Timmy to stay in his zone may sound good on paper but what happens when there are problems at the only school in zone and Little Andrew forces them to stay.
Never mind violent offenders being given bail and making everyone feel unsafe.

Let’s just hope National and ACT can remain disciplined over the next couple of years.
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July 31, 2021 9:13am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Roughly 60% of female voters support Labour. They’ve already bought into the woke agenda
  
  Those that wokeness may worry are church-going brown tribal voters, they ain’t going anywhere but Left either
  
  So Labour/Green/Maori has that 40%ish baseline before they even begin the vote-buying campaign
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:03am
  - BananaLlama
    
    If they cared about woke they wouldn’t be driving their kids to school.
    They don’t give a toss for it.
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:46pm
JibberJabber

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/identities-revealed-of-two-kiwis-charged-after-global-sting-of-the-century/WUKODSFPUUXZZBGZLTQ7BEMKRE/

It’s behind a paywall, but all you need to know is,

The identities of the senior Comanchero and Waikato Mongrel Mob gang members alleged to be running the New Zealand branch of an international drug smuggling syndicate can now be revealed.
Josef Heart, left, and Junior Heart are alleged to be in control of the New Zealand branch of a global drug ring.

Ardern is probably organising legal aid for them as we speak.
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July 31, 2021 9:14am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Note that Comanchero has no location specified but Mongrel Mob does. Must be trying to make sure people see the difference between the Mongrel Mob who import and sell meth and the Mongrel Mob who receive millions of dollars of public funds to “rehabilitate’ people who are addicted to meth.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:02am
TripeWryter

The New Zealand Herald tells us that – after all his effort to impose himself on us – Ahmed Zaoui quietly returned to live in Algeria five years ago.
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July 31, 2021 9:15am
- cmm
  
  Assuming the wikipedia page is right he’s a nasty bit of work and should never have been granted NZ citizenship.
  
  Refused asylum in Switzerland, convicted on various charges in Belgium and France, but little old NZ hands him a citizenship!
  
  And now with that NZ citizenship he travels abroad shirring shit. When he gets arrested it will no doubt come down to us bailing him out again.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Zaoui
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:02am
  - Adroit
    
    Yes, aided and abetted by NZ’s bleeding heart fifth column. ‘Welcome Home’ by Dave Dobbyn will always be on my spit list as a result.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:15am
    - fisho
      
      Haha, love it! I developed a deep hatred for that song and the ginger … [deleted] for the same reason. Glad I’m not alone.
      
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      July 31, 2021 5:29pm
  - Nickc2
    
    He will be deported back here.
    He is also entitled to an NZ Pension.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:41am
    - sooty
      
      Can we burn his citizenship and passport?
      Then he can’t come back!
      
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      July 31, 2021 5:41pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Golly-G is having duplicates printed as we speak.
        
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        July 31, 2021 7:18pm
- MCos
  
  Algeria is his homeland.
  Of course he’d want to return if the situation improved.
  
  A few years ago I talked to a Syrian refugee. He was grateful NZ has accepted him into the country, but he didn’t want to be here. He preferred Syria, but life there was untenable for him.
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:44pm
  - fisho
    
    He was part of the problem.
    
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    July 31, 2021 5:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

An American died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Heaven Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.
He asked, “What are all those clocks?”
St. Peter answered, “Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.”
“Oh,” said the man, “Whose clock is that?”
“That’s Mother Teresa’s. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.”
“Incredible,” he said.
“And whose clock is that one?”
St. Peter responded, “That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life.”
“Where’s Hilarys?” asked the American.
Hilary’s clock is in God’s office. He’s using it as a ceiling fan.”
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July 31, 2021 9:16am
- Adroit
  
  If they have aeroplanes in heaven, The Donald’s would be strapped to the front of a Cessna.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:16am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And Creepy Joe’s would be powering a 747 on its own ! Did you know he used to drive an 18 Wheeler, yes really, come on man !
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:01pm
I remember when

Congratulations to Michael Venus and Marcus Daniell.
Men’s doubles tennis has been an area of quiet, almost unrecognised success for New Zealand for a number of years now.
A small group who have found a niche for themselves.
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July 31, 2021 9:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Kiwi duo played superbly, to win in straight sets. They become the first tennis players to win an Olympic medal for New Zealand. Anthony Wilding won a medal way back in 1912, but he was representing Australasia. File that away as a future pub quiz answer!
  
  The best result of the night however was the Fiji Women’s Sevens team beating the defending champions Australia in the quarter-finals. Fiji will now face the Black Ferns in the semi-finals later today.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:30am
- MCos
  
  As far as I’m aware Michael Venus doesn’t normally partner with Marcus Daniell, but would have had little choice for this tournament.
  Personally I don’t think tennis should be in the Olympics, nor golf, baseball, football, basketball . . .
  The Olympics are the pinnacle involving the best players, and all those other sports have their own far more prestigious championships.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:05am
  - virtualmark
    
    Agreed. Personally I have two tests for whether a sport should be in the Olympics.
    
    Firstly, “Faster, Higher, Stronger”. If you can’t express your sport in terms of any of those three words then it doesn’t belong in the Olympics.
    
    Secondly, if an Olympic gold medal isn’t the pinnacle achievement in your sport then that sport shouldn’t be in the Olympics. I doubt many tennis players would choose an Olympic gold over winning Wimbledon … so to me tennis doesn’t make the cut.
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:45pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Name me an Olympic sport that doesn’t have a “more prestigious championship”? Either World Champs or other events such as majors, major tours and so on.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:01pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Most Olympic sports don’t have a more prestigious championship. Simple examples … the Olympic gold is the premiere achievement in track & field, swimming, rowing etc. Just to name some off the top of my head.
      
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      August 1, 2021 9:59am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They all have World Championships, world records, special events – rowing has Henley and the Boat Race, of course – sailing has The America’s Cup and son, all of them.
        
        Whether one event is more prestigious than another is simply a matter of opinion.
        
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        August 1, 2021 7:30pm
Tony Stuart

The good folk of Otaki will be having voters’ regret today after electing Terisa Ngobi in October. According to her, Dr Harding, the young Otaki doctor being forced to leave New Zealand by Immigration NZ is going of his own volition:

The decision of a migrant GP caught in residency limbo to return home was “absolutely up to him”, says his local MP.

Last month Ōtaki Medical Centre GP Dr Harding Richards returned to the UK after a year in residency limbo, leaving behind more than 1300 patients registered to him.

Due to Covid-19, in 2020 the Government put a suspension on selections of expressions of interest in the skilled migrant category, leaving migrants in this pool without a clear pathway to residency.

Ōtaki Medical Centre chief executive Kiwa Raureti said Richards – a skilled GP and “conscientious” team player – had returned to Wales with his partner due to the lack of certainty around his future in New Zealand.

The practice had been forced to close its doors to new patients as a result.

Unable to lodge an expression of interest, his lack of residency status meant he was unable to purchase a home, or buy into the practice as he had hoped.

Labour MP for Ōtaki Terisa Ngobi said in a response to the Herald that Richards’ decision to return was “absolutely up to him there is no barrier there”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/otaki-mp-says-local-gps-decision-to-return-home-was-his-choice/RAXFSR2XFTB6UYCQRQSSOS32RU/

Ms Ngobi has failed in her first test as an electorate MP. She’s simply run up the white flag, and even worse, is effectively washing her hands of the case by saying that Dr Harding made the decision to leave New Zealand.

Oh, how the people of Otaki will be wishing they had removed the scales from their eyes last October, and not just voted for Ngobi because of Jacinda Ardern. I heard the Labour candidate barely campaigned last year, but was effectively swept into Parliament on a red tide.

I hope Tim Costley stands again for National next year. He fought an energetic campaign, and was probably the candidate whose defeat surprised me the most. As a serving senior officer in the RNZAF, you can bet he would not have simply waved the white flag when things got tough, but he would have fought tooth and nail on Dr Harding’s behalf.

Every action has a consequence. The good folk of Otaki are realising that today, and so must voters in other electorates around the country that went red last year. With the Roy Morgan poll yesterday showing Labour would be down 15 MP’s on its election night tally, there will be some squeaky bums in Parliament when it returns next week. Roll on 2023.
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July 31, 2021 9:22am
- Tarquin North
  
  I know how you feel, up here we had Matt King and Shane Reti replaced by Willow Jean Prime and the utterly useless Emily Henderson who I have had the misfortune to meet. I can’t imagine that happening again.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    My understanding is that Willow Jean is the less engaged of the two.
    
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    July 31, 2021 3:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  Never saw or heard her at any event prior to the election. Have not spoken to a single person in the elctorate that saw her at their door.
  
  We live semi rurally and he knocked on the doors in our street, we were away at the time.
  
  Many of my clients and friends spoke with him and we often saw him out and about on foot even in the rain making his case, repairing his graffitied signs and carrying his message to the voters. The other one, nothing.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:58am
- CJames
  
  Remember when the Labour candidates were selected in early 2020, their HO thought they could just hold on to the seats they had. That meant they chose a whole lot of candidates in National seats just to carry the flag. They were just spear carriers. If you had any skills or “ability”, you were shoehorned into a safe seat, even if it meant getting rid of the sitting member.
  With the big swing in voting, those second rate people got elected. A similar thing happened to National in 1975. And we are seeing the effect of the lack of member’s competence in the statements like Ms Ngobi makes.
  I do hope National reminds the electorate of the comments all the time. A large sign across the road from the Doctors’ rooms would bring it home.
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:17pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “I hope Tim Costley stands again for National next year. ”
  
  I’ve got some very bad news for you, Tony. It’s only 2021 🙁
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:05pm
Maggie's partner

For the second day in a row, neither Stuff nor the Herald are carrying a picture of the PM on their home pages. Something is clearly up!
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July 31, 2021 9:27am
- Paulus
  
  Getting Wedding Fever and awaiting invitations.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:35pm
- Bob
  
  She is busy with the fitting of the WEDDING DRESS Maggie. Keep up with the gossip myth.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:58pm
- Harriet
  
  Overkill. The polls aren’t increasing for Labour.
  
  They’ll roll her back out when needed. Useful idiot for the cause.
  
  Obama is running the US and Clark is running NZ. 😎
  
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  July 31, 2021 2:04pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Too true Harriet!
    
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    July 31, 2021 7:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“We are all in this together” is the biggest lie of the century. We most certainly are not. Politicians did not have their businesses closed. Politicians did not see their life’s work destroyed. Politicians did not miss a single day of work, or for that matter, a SINGLE paycheck. We’re all in this together, my arse.
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July 31, 2021 9:30am
I remember when

What will the effect be when travelling overseas (there is a rumoured it will happen again eventually) with a gender other than male or female on your passport.
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July 31, 2021 9:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Check with the NZ Olympic team, they’ll have it sorted ….
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:54am
  - sooty
    
    Will you have to hold your waist band out for checking?
    
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    July 31, 2021 5:47pm
lastmanstanding

As I have posted before looks like the Hate Speech Laws are going the same way as Capital Gains Tax. Both the Left and the Right are opposed.
The excuse will be that the existing laws are adequate.
Both we mustnt get complacent.
Like rust Socialists and Communists never sleep. they will think up other darstardly way to command and control us. They cant help themselves.
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July 31, 2021 9:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The case of the bloke making death threats against the Prime Minister proves that our existing laws are working. He made all sorts of batshit-crazy statements online, which were tolerated and largely ignored, but when he crossed the line to making a threat he was arrested and prosecuted.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:35am
- artemisia
  
  The Prime Minister, the Christchurch Call, the global commitments. Going to be tricky to make a captain’s call on hate speech. Her large staff is working on it as we speak.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:38am
I remember when

The Government may not be about to change according to polls but there must be a lot of blue/red seat and list Labour MPs really worried.
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July 31, 2021 9:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed, and as other PM’s with a large caucus have discovered, when the back bench gets nervous and starts to revolt, trouble is inevitable.
  
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  July 31, 2021 9:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    As far as I am concerned, most are revolting already 😉
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:34am
freemark

Can anyone explain how in the current context a person not getting the jab is “putting the community at risk?”
Genuine question.
Also wasn’t there a mass-vax event yesterday in South Auckland? I see no reports in media about it.
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July 31, 2021 9:52am
- [email protected]
  
  Likely because it didn’t turn out as well as expected? Saw somewhere this morning that about 3500 showed up to get jabbed. Don’t know if that is fact.
  
  Since it is now obvious that the jab won’t necessarily prevent you both getting Covid19 or passing it on, I see no reason why anti-Covid19 vaxers should feel guilty. This is especially true right now because Covid19 is not a problem in NZ today. If this changes, as is likely, more anti-vaxers will become pro-vaxers.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:16pm
cmm

Can afford a Tesla but hasn’t got the savvy to find out where they are serviced?

Surely Cindy can fix things for this poor woman. The government should really fund EV service centres in every tiny town in NZ. Imagine all the jobs it would provide!

To get the ball rolling I even have a name for it: waahi waka hiko (just add macrons).

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/closest-tesla-servicing-360km-away-in-christchurch-for-mosgiel-woman/3ODFWJ7GESYCNCK6Q2AC72L3FI/
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July 31, 2021 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The present electric vehicles are now obsolete. Manufacturers will be working on new models that don’t run on batteries and need recharging.
  New power plants are underway.
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    An insight into EV problems in the UK.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9834141/Fears-National-Grid-wont-cope-drivers-charge-vehicles-peak-times.html
    And they have Nuclear Power in the not-so-United Kingdom.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Shame none of those currently alive will ever see them …..
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwiompXH6kI
    
    [The Jetsons Car (animation) ]
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFRyxz2Agq8
      
      [Jetson car (animation) ]
      
      Now that’s more like it. Show that to ardern and we’ll get an even bigger subsidee for one of them …..
      
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      July 31, 2021 10:42am
  - Adroit
    
    How exactly will energy be transported, stored, and accessed if not in batteries? Bottles? Liquid? Do tell about these new power plants.
    
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    July 31, 2021 10:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So what do they run on? Urine?
    I think a link is required.
    
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    July 31, 2021 11:30am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Steam.
      https://www.autocar.co.nz/commercial-news-app/british-retiree-builds-coal-fired-steam-powered-land-rover-defender
      
      Now that Indonesian coal is the go to fuel for the NZ Greens. ?
      
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      July 31, 2021 11:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I have traversed this before. The technology has been affirmed in the last twelve months through numerous replications world wide. It is only waiting on the commercial sector. There are enough patents out there now. The strangeness has gone. Hydrogen can be made to change its atomic state, as is common in chemical processes, and energy is released.
      
      I’m just waiting on the first hints from a major supplier.
      
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      July 31, 2021 12:52pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Kev, give it a miss, you’ve been in about this for years, and the breakthrough/commercial production is always “just around the corner”.
        
        Sorry mate, but with all respect, it is a scam for the credulous and always has been.
        
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        July 31, 2021 1:06pm
      - cmm
        
        C’mon Kev
        
        Do you just count the scientific buzzwords and think that the less you understand, the more awesome it must be?
        
        I live and breath in the technology sector. There are some things up for debate, but some really are not (unless you bring a truck load of evidence to back you up):
        1) Energy does not come from nowhere. Excluding the first few milliseconds of the universe which we don’t really understand, you can’t make energy – all you can really do is transfer it from one state to another: chemical potential energy to heat, kinetic to potential, kinetic to electric etc.
        2) You can’t get energy out of something without the energy first being put in. For example: water is made of hydrogen, so why don’t we just burn water? Well unfortunately water is burned hydrogen. It has given up its useful energy when it combined with the oxygen. To make it back into burnable hydrogen requires that you put that energy back (+ a whole lot for inefficiency – aka waste, aka heat). This can be done with electrolysis but is inefficient (though the pie chomper lady wants to give it a go).
        
        “Hydrogen can be made to change its atomic state, as is common in chemical processes, and energy is released. ”
        
        There are indeed many ways to change hydrogen’s state (using the most general term here):
        * Remove an electron to make it into a hydrogen ion (aka proton).
        * Add neutrons to make “heavy” hydrogen. This has marginal impact on its chemical state.
        * Burn it (or otherwise combine it with other atoms) thereby typically (but not always) reducing its energy state and thus liberating heat.
        * “un-burn” it though electroysis etc to split it from other atoms to give it a higher energy state.
        
        Energy state can be though of in terms of a car on a hill. A car high up a hill can roll down the hill and release energy (note how the brakes got warm). When it gets to the bottom you can’t get to the top by stomping on the brakes. You need to push it up the hill again (ie. put the energy back in).
        
        I have read many of these patents. All that I have seen are complete bullshit. Please don’t be scammed by these people.
        
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        July 31, 2021 2:41pm
      - kevn
        
        @Kev… Solid state batteries? Seems well advance in Japan.
        
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        July 31, 2021 3:50pm
      - rangitoto
        
        It’s a scam.
        
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        July 31, 2021 8:26pm
    - Phronesis
      
      Black magic, quite literally. Kev is a follower of a Nigerian scammer who claims to have discovered a new source of limitless power.
      He’s put the link up to it before and probably won’t do so again!
      
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      July 31, 2021 12:57pm
  - cmm
    
    An EV that makes its own power?? So a hybrid?
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:20pm
- oldfella
  
  cmm, apparently 20% of California EV users have reverted to regular vehicle because of charging hassles. Is anyone surprised?
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/electric-car-owners-switching-gas-charging-a-hassle-study-2021-4?r=US&IR=T
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:39am
  - cmm
    
    In London they removed congestion charges for EVs and vehicles that could be used as EVs (ie. plug in hybrids).
    
    Massive uptakes of plug in hybrids, but almost none were actually being plugged in.
    
    It’s all virtue signalling.
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:43pm
- JibberJabber
  
  It ‘aint easy being a ~~virtue signaller~~ Green in NZ ☹️
  Maybe the Genter will organise a Gofundme so she can buy a bike?
  
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  July 31, 2021 10:57am
- DeepBlue
  
  Anyone who buys a new car in the $100k + range knows servicing is done in the main centres to maintain warranties over the first three years.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:04am
- artemisia
  
  Just add them to all the new small town banking hubs. (How are the 4 pilot hubs going?)
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:42am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go Hmmm….

“Arming police has never made them safer but it has – EVERY SINGLE TIME – made communities who already face police prejudice FATALLY UNSAFE”

-Golriz Garhraman (Green List MP)
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July 31, 2021 10:05am
- I remember when
  
  You missed the vital part of the statement Maggie.
  “Who already face police prejudice”, perhaps doesn’t apply for the rest of us.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:28am
- Ron Jeremy
  
  [Not here. Mod.]
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:29pm
- Muzza M
  
  [Deleted – wishing harm (even indirectly) is not acceptable here sorry. You can make your point without it. Mod.]
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:58pm
dcrane

I couldn’t make any sense of this first sentence of the article below:

“Justice Minister Kris Faafoi isn’t ruling out parents being criminalised if they stopped their children from taking hormone blockers in a way that is deemed to be harmful conversion therapy.”

Is it the hormones that are “conversion therapy” or the prevention of their use?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/conversion-therapy-ban-justice-minister-kris-faafoi-discusses-conversion-practices-prohibition-legislation-bill/OMMZRDC54XYDBSCJRPCYFXTAPY/
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July 31, 2021 10:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Name one grandma or grandpa who has pleaded with you to stay home, locked down, and masked so that they could remain alive.
I’ll wait.
Now try naming politicians or billion dollar corporations that have asked you to— while simultaneously increasing their own wealth via their “essential business” provisions.
(Hint, there are a lot of them)
Candace Owens
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July 31, 2021 10:15am
Nickc2

More He Puapua action. Here goes our property rights. It’s rather hard to listen to but that’s more about the mayor’s reading style or overuse of commas IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcN0do-Ux_g

[Private Property rights being eroded in New Zealand – Bruce Smith]
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July 31, 2021 10:16am
ABS4EVA

The Connection with to and between the MONGREL
MOB and LABOUR is actually on Display

But

What else?

What else have they been up to ?
What other (quasi legal) scams are planned?
or cooking or being cooked up?

in the P lab of labours pathetic policies

It is really time for an independent professional investigation of

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON
IN THIS COUNTRY

WHO THE HELL is REALLY IN CHARGE?

and WHO IS BACK HANDING WHO

BEHIND CLOSED DOORs

It is time the Prime Minister was criminally
investigated or monitored very closely

Giving money to the Mob
IS FRAUD

You can call it Legal
but that is only because the Fraud
will be elaborate

There is one thing you can give Organised Crime
They are Organised

We can’t say that for the DISORGANISED
Labour Government of
New Zealand

They appear to be ONE BIG SCAM
that run lots of pathetic ones
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July 31, 2021 10:17am
Fletch

Israel – the most vaccinated country in the world, is now offering its citizens a third jab, because the original wears off…

Israel will offer citizens a third Pfizer jab as a booster in a world-first trial after recent studies indicated vaccine efficacy against COVID-19 is weakened against the Delta variant.

The campaign was announced by Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett on Friday during a press conference where he revealed President Isaac Herzog would be the first to receive his third dose of the vaccine.

“Findings show that there is a decline in the body’s immunity over time,” he said.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/israel-launches-worldfirst-trial-to-offer-a-third-dose-of-pfizer-vaccine-as-a-booster-jab/news-story/aa46e235973a96286f9515e55f572d54
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July 31, 2021 10:19am
- virtualmark
  
  All the vaccine manufacturers expected that this would be the case.
  
  The difficulty is in knowing how long the protection lasts in each individual. For most healthy people the protection should last at least 12 months, and possibly 24 months. But for immunocompromised people their immune systems don’t “hold” the Covid-19 protection for very long and so they will need their booster shots earlier – perhaps as frequently as every 6 months. The difficulty is in identifying all the immunocompromised people. Some are obvious (for example transplant recipients and chemotherapy patients) but many immunocompromised people don’t actually know their immune system isn’t in good shape.
  
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  July 31, 2021 2:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe and his 18 wheeler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kavp0m3DrRM
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July 31, 2021 10:23am
KevO'Brien

A reliable advocate of vaccinations?
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/gates-foundation-partners-with-chinese-military-funder/
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July 31, 2021 10:26am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lG1Er893LI

Buried U.S. Intel Secret Revealed in Earth-Shaking Report.

The United States was warned of the Wuhan lab in 2015, yet the U.S. continued to fund the Chinese laboratory. The French government was involved with the building and operational aspects of the lab, until China pulled back on the collaboration altogether. When the collaboration started to disintegrate, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) abruptly kicked the French out just like they did when the World Health Organization (WHO) started asking questions about the Wuhan lab. After the collaboration ended, French intelligence officials warned the U.S. State Department of the activities, motivations, and research going on at the Wuhan lab. [4:09]
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July 31, 2021 10:31am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we_nBOOJAug
Wall Street Lost Protection, Biden Isn’t Coming to Its Rescue, Investment in China Is Further Banned.
More Chinese companies have been removed from global indices recently. Is that trend irreversible? Will DIDI set off a US-China capital market decoupling, and does the Biden administration have the power and will to rein in Wall Street? [26:06]
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July 31, 2021 10:31am
Maggie Pie

Green party Pacific Peoples spokesperson says the government’s apology for the ‘Dawn Raids’ does not go far enough.

Calls for Labor…. ‘to create pathway to residency’ for overstayers currently in NZ without visas, estimated to be 14,000.

(reminder from my partner – Prov Tax due again 28/8)
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July 31, 2021 10:33am
- DeepBlue
  
  Let’s give residence to any doctor, nurse, teacher etc first.
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:05am
- artemisia
  
  Yep, have to wonder how much untaxed income they have received from the black / grey economy over the years.
  
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  July 31, 2021 12:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Many of whom are Pacific Islanders whose govt’s strongly oppose such. They already have agreements.
  
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  July 31, 2021 12:54pm
kowtow

ODT editorial having a go at New Zealand Rugby for taking on INEOS sponsorship , very very strong language used.

‘The INEOS sponsorship is an appalling look for a country which should be doing more to minimise its emissions and has led to the coining of a new name for the New Zealand team, the Oil Blacks.’

This in the Saturday edition which carries a huge amount of advertising for , drum roll, motor vehicles .

The hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is astounding.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/when-it%E2%80%99s-more-just-game
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July 31, 2021 10:34am
Tall Man

“Rachel receives the Childcare Subsidy from Work and Income, which pays for childcare for one of her children and nine hours a week for another, and is a recipient of the Working For Families (WFF) tax credit. She is also living in Kāinga Ora public housing.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/pregnant-mum-of-four-working-100-hour-weeks-to-get-by-says-she-has-no-choice-but-to-break-the-law.html

So, when life gets tough, choose an unemployable child unfriendly partner and get the rest of us to chip in … oh and get pregnant as well.

Sounds like a labour party productividee plan …..
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July 31, 2021 10:41am
- Harriet
  
  Childcare is an attendance model, simply turn up to a place of work for a few hours and no matter the pay rate or your future prospects or willingness, the government pays a large proportion of your childcare costs. Have another child by the time the first one is 6ys old and the cycle is repeated.
  
  You also get WFF until the youngest is 17yld, again for turning up to a place of work no matter what your prospects or willingness is.
  
  Here in Aussie when children are sick and don’t go to childcare a baby sitter is not used, as the mother simply stays at home using up her sick days, and then her holidays if she likes. Lots of women generally just fill there time in at work on low pay and employers are more than happy with the arrangement, as hubby is the main bread winner. Wives don’t demand pay rises as they see no need as the taxpayer supports them……..mass unproductiveness.
  Meanwhile young capable males are unemployed or under employed…….and all the trouble and cost that goes with that…..
  
  I can’t see anything changing for the better.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:52pm
Critical Thinker

Breaking News:

“The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.” – The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html

“Vaccination alone won’t stop the rise of new variants and in fact could push the evolution of strains that evade their protection, researchers warned Friday.” – CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/vaccination-alone-variants-study/index.html

“Vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.” – Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/
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July 31, 2021 10:52am
- Critical Thinker
  
  JUST IN – SAGE, the UK’s health “expert panel,” warns next Covid “super mutant variant” could kill up to one in three people, and that the “vaccine roll-out may even speed up mutant strain’s emergence.” (Daily Mail)
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844701/SAGE-Covid-variant-kill-one-three-people.html
  
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  July 31, 2021 11:24am
  - dcrane
    
    This is the sort of conclusion people were arguing YouTube should censor Bret Weinstein’s channel for, a few months back…along with the Invermectin discussions. Narrative whiplash is nonstop now.
    
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    July 31, 2021 1:19pm
  - MrTips
    
    SAGE talk utter shit.
    
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    July 31, 2021 2:10pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, didn’t Cindy’s mob predict 80,000 NZers would die as a result of Conid-19?
      
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      July 31, 2021 7:15pm
- virtualmark
  
  Yes but.
  
  For balance … the rate of breakthrough cases of Covid-19 is running at less than 0.1% of all vaccinated people. And that’s with the more contagious Delta variant being the prevalent strain.
  
  Also … while vaccinated people can still pass on the virus (and that was forecast by the vaccine manufacturers in 2020) they are only contagious for a much briefer time than the unvaccinated are. Rough comparison is vaccinated people will be contagious for 2-5 days, vs 2-5 weeks for the unvaccinated.
  
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  July 31, 2021 2:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have you some references for this information, please?
    
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    July 31, 2021 3:27pm
    - marcw
      
      One (slightly over egged) such report I read earlier was Breitbart, although it was reporting US CDC figures.
      
      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/30/nolte-cdcs-own-math-proves-vax-mandates-re-masking-is-anti-science/
      
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      July 31, 2021 4:13pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Here’s an example … https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/breakthrough-covid-cases-at-least-125000-fully-vaccinated-americans-have-tested-positive.html
      
      I think it’s reasonable to expect about 5 unconfirmed cases for every confirmed case. But even then it looks like the total breakthrough cases would be less than 1% of vaccinated people so far.
      
      And the number of hospitalisations and deaths in vaccinated people is low. The numbers suggest the real-life experience is in line or better than the results of the Phase III trials, which were that the vaccines were about 95% effective at protecting you from hospitalisation or death. (Note the way they measure that 95% isn’t the same as the statistics behind the 0.1%-1% breakthrough rate – although both are percentages they’re calculated in quite different ways).
      
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      August 1, 2021 10:03am
      - virtualmark
        
        Also, re the contagious period being much shorter … https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1
        
        [Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study – Abstract]
        
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        August 1, 2021 11:24am
Maggie Pie

SH*T FOR BRIANS

Jack Tame believes… a .05% in the OCR next month will have ‘a detrimental effect’ on house price rises.

We haven’t had our new CV’s since 2017 – roll on October!

LOL!!
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July 31, 2021 11:11am
- Matt Long
  
  0.05%?, I can’t see Orr doing that, he is the big statement guy. A sensible banker would maybe try 0.25%, or 0.50% before the next financial emergency hits and they roll it back, but Orr is likely to do 1.00% or 1.5%.
  They have to keep pumping the housing market to avoid crashing the economy and hoping China keeps buying meat and milk powder.
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Soon the Govt will want us to wear a blindfold along with the facemask so we can’t see what is really going on
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July 31, 2021 11:12am
I remember when

HB Today: Police arrive 14 hours after Hawke’s Bay man pursued thieves in car, boxed them in:
A motorist who pursued and boxed in thieves who had stolen $2000 of his property had to wait 14 hours for police to respond.
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July 31, 2021 11:20am
oldfella

I wonder how long it will take for the UN covid-patients NZ connection to become public?
Michael Morrah on TV3 last night did a very good piece on how hospital specialists warned against bringing the woman to NZ – too much danger for locals, etc – but they were overruled.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/intensive-care-clinicians-opposed-transfer-of-covid-positive-un-worker-from-fiji-source-says-ministry-of-health-not-being-upfront-about-risks.html
Who overruled the specialists, and for what reason, are questions still waiting to be answered.
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July 31, 2021 11:21am
- Ruahine
  
  Ardern wants another Covid excuse for another lockdown.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:18pm
you reap what you sow

https://youtu.be/UtF06mO5ItM

[Three waters update 24-07-2021 from Westland Mayor Bruce Smith]

A West Coaster telling it like it is
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July 31, 2021 11:22am
JibberJabber

Boom! now I’m Vegan…
https://www.sott.net/article/456225-Compulsory-workplace-vaccination-rules-cannot-apply-to-vegans-in-the-UK

More than half a million vegans will be exempt if companies introduce compulsory vaccination rules in Britain because their beliefs are protected by employment law, legal experts have said.

So-called ethical veganism was ruled to be a protected characteristic at a tribunal last year, meaning employers would risk legal action if they order staff to be vaccinated.

Other people in protected categories are also likely to be protected by human rights laws, including some religious groups as well as people with certain disabilities or medical conditions.

A spokesman for Lewis Silkin, a law firm, said: “Some ethical vegans may disagree with vaccinations on the basis that they will inevitably have been tested on animals. Ethical veganism has previously been found by an [employment tribunal] to amount to a belief, capable of being protected.”

The protections mean that vegans forced to get a jab could mount a claim of constructive dismissal. Equality legislation may also make it difficult for companies to demand new hires are vaccinated if they fall within one of the categories.
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July 31, 2021 11:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If we still had lunatic asylums that’s where the vegans would be.
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:54pm
Yvette

Did Winston Peters in Westport yesterday make some comments of support for Pike River Families, or was that a fig-leaf of my imagination? I think it was reported on a couple of Newshub breaks on THREE yesterday evening, but there is no follow up I can see in today’s media websites.

Both Winston and Pike River may be issues people would like to fade from their memories – but is it democracy, or a purchased media?
Has Winston been de-platformed? And, if so, will he take that lying down?
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July 31, 2021 12:01pm
Rusty

So the NZ herald this morning is printing letters to the editor from some conservatives calling the Govt socialists?

Don’t read many letters to that paper or any news paper in NZ telling Kiwis the truth about this Govt.
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July 31, 2021 12:31pm
Maggie Pie

Not even sure if it’s still OK to say it there days…..
but if it is, they took the gold medal in ping pong.
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July 31, 2021 12:31pm
Yvette

The Greens are considering a new party structure that reflects “Te Tiriti representation” – possibly going right to the very top.
The party is considering whether its one male, one female structure is still fit for purpose.
Co-leader Marama Davidson told Newshub Nation on Saturday whatever the party chooses, it will be up to the membership.
“I’m really pleased to see some of the ideas coming from the members – one of the most exciting changes being proposed is prioritising Te Tiriri at all levels of our leadership and our party structure,” she told host Simon Shepherd.

Three questions –
1 – How would this work, and can the Treaty representing “co”-member veto the other?
2 – Must the Treaty member be a Maori?
3 – and deciding if this happens – “it will be up to the membership” – so that is presumably a majority rules decision on a partnership matter, so is that consistent or not?
Just wondering …
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July 31, 2021 1:03pm
- Bob
  
  A Tripartite leadership with Maori oversite and casting vote. The Soviet Union tried something like this; it didn’t work too well.
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone remember the Green Greens? Died about the same time as Rod Donald.
  
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  July 31, 2021 2:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Would be easier to just join the Māori party and bypass all that white hippy Gaia stuff.
  
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  July 31, 2021 3:26pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Greens. Fucked in the head as usual.
  
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  July 31, 2021 7:42pm
artemisia

Ombudsman investigating MIQ complaints from seafarers.

Pretty sure some of the complaints have come from a couple of skippers who post on Kiwiblog.

Good luck guys.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300370839/covid19-chief-ombudsman-probes-seafarers-miq-concerns
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July 31, 2021 1:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Ombudsman needs to widen his enquiry.
  
  The MIQ system is hopeless.
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/30/bots-and-scalpers-desperate-kiwis-try-everything-to-get-into-fortress-new-zealand
  
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  July 31, 2021 3:42pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

My partner takes Judith Collins advice….
purchases ‘Beer-Goggles’ in preparation for Monday nights event 😎

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1421233427366428672
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July 31, 2021 1:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just watched the video of Judith again….does anybody else think Shane looks like he needs a rocket up his ass?
  
  SHEESH!
  
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  July 31, 2021 1:57pm
slightlyrighty

I noticed that the TVNZ olympic Coverage had a Medal Table with “Aotearoa New Zealand” in it.

I remember the howling from Labour when a Flag Change was mooted.

At least when John Key talked about changing the flag, there was a process and a referendum. He didn’t do it by stealth.
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July 31, 2021 2:39pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I noticed the absence of wokeness from the left regarding the flag change. Maybe it was just because National was doing it?
  They were just screeching about $26 million being spent on it.
  
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  July 31, 2021 4:51pm
MrTips

Benny Hill nails socialism (and the attitude of our current govt): https://youtu.be/sLdZtU-RhPI
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July 31, 2021 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The real reason they want you to hate Donald Trump. Come on Socialists, tell me this is fake.
Yeah it is 12 months ago, so bloody what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpkLzXOgSKs

[“The Real Reason They Hate Trump” Michael Matt Remnant ]
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July 31, 2021 3:10pm
- fernglas
  
  Donald who?
  
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  July 31, 2021 6:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You know, the thing man
    
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    August 1, 2021 8:17am
Monique Watson

Marama Davidson says Homelessness is not okay but won’t sack herself though should. Wholly incompetent. Paid $8 million for a 30 unit shitehole in Rotorua to house Meth heads when you need to house homeless near jobs on land that costs less per sq/m to build. Next to a Polytech. Fuck her nonsense, her loony Tunes party and the Gag Laws.
Gd Evening.
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July 31, 2021 5:53pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And thank you Monique for a very appropriate comment to finish the evening.
  
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  July 31, 2021 7:46pm
ABS4EVA

Well you know the NZ part of the world has gone

Completely insane
when….

The People who make the Laws

Sponsor Criminals with money they…

Take/Steal off the General Population
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