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Fletch

Before I forget – R.I.P to Don Everly of the Everly Brothers….
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August 23, 2021 5:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, sometimes cruelly known as the Everly Sisters.
  
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  August 23, 2021 5:35pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Probably something better to talk about than what is otherwise on offer. He was really good.
  
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  August 23, 2021 5:53pm
cmm

Now here’s something interesting for flight nerds:

A USA Stratotanker flying petrol station doing laps in Southern Afghanisatan.

Either it is waiting for customers or its customers do not have transponders turned on.

https://www.flightradar24.com/28e15a17
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August 23, 2021 5:18pm
- dcrane
  
  supporting bombing runs intended to destroy the toys that are too cool to have left behind?
  
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  August 23, 2021 5:22pm
  - cmm
    
    Too late for that. They’re all gone long ago.
    
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    August 23, 2021 5:52pm
- cmm
  
  Having a nosey, there are 2 US transporters in air on a flight from Saudi Arabia (RCHxxx) and another on the ground in Kabul. They are all following exactly the same flight path. These are all long range planes and do not need tanker support.
  
  There is also another tanker on its way back to base.
  
  That suggests to me that the corridor is being protected by fighters who need a sippy cup to stay in the air and do not have their transponders on.
  
  But what the hell do I know…
  
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  August 23, 2021 5:40pm
  - cmm
    
    Also the Aussies have one flying from UAE. It looks like it is flying the same corridor.
    
    https://www.flightradar24.com/MAMBO30/28e18b58
    
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    August 23, 2021 5:51pm
    - kevn
      
      @cmm… Great, thank you. Quite few ‘no call sign’ flights around Dubai.
      
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      August 23, 2021 7:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I expect there would be quite the fireworks display were one of these flying petrol stations mated with a SAM.
  
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  August 23, 2021 5:44pm
CAKE FACE1

Was today a pyrrhic victory?

Maybe it was, or maybe it was simply another loss?

For sure, the war is over, lost.

This thinking of war made me think of that 80s flick Gallipoli…

Remake! Instead of Mel Gibson as the messenger that doesn’t make it to the trench on time, I suggest we could have Grant Robertson playing this role.

Cindy would play the role of Archy.

Grant – “How fast are you going to run?”
Cindy – “As fast as a leopard.”

Poor old Cindy then runs very fast into the machine gun fire…
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August 23, 2021 5:28pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  Actually, Cindy reminds me of General Melchett in Blackadder Goes Forth:
  
  “Melchett: Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.
  Blackadder: Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?
  Captain Darling: How could you possibly know that, Blackadder? It’s classified information!
  Blackadder: It’s the same plan that we used last time and the seventeen times before that.
  Melchett: Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we’ve done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they’ll expect us to do this time! There is, however, one small problem.
  Blackadder: That everyone always gets slaughtered in the first ten seconds.
  Melchett: That’s right…”
  
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  August 23, 2021 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

Never got to see the standup this arvo.

Ma txt to say the new backdrop behind that big Signer guy was a vast improvement.

It was more like watching a performance of Marcel Marceau in Samoan.
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August 23, 2021 5:53pm
- hullkiwi
  
  plus Jacinda the communications specialist showed she wasn’t skilled enough to do a PwerPoint presentation at her 4pm Show ‘n Tell. Instead she resorted to showing us a drawing that her daughter might have prepared earlier.
  
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  August 23, 2021 6:44pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  I think that the Samoan big boy is there to blanket Cindy again if she gets out of hand…
  
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  August 23, 2021 7:18pm
you reap what you sow

Labour:
$3million for the Afghan people. $2.8million for the Mongrel mob. One grows drugs the other distributes them.
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August 23, 2021 6:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  touché
  
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  August 23, 2021 7:00pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  and not a dollar for Mike King & Gumboot Friday…..nice, well done, kind……..
  
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  August 23, 2021 9:36pm
sooty

St Ash said that 11 of the rona cases are people that are vaccinated!
Could have told us one or two shots!
Better order in plenty of them booster shots!
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August 23, 2021 6:22pm
- septic skeptic
  
  There is a lot he didn’t say.
  One or two shots
  How long since the last jab
  Symptomatic or not
  We can probably infer that none are serious/hospitalized
  
  My guess is that the lack of clarity is at least in part in order to keep the vaccinated in the team of 5 million.
  
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  August 23, 2021 6:44pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Can we infer that, really ? I suspect that at least some are, or he would have said.
    
    But one needs to be careful, the majority of the vaccinated are the over 65’s, who are also the most vulnerable and most likely to have serious symptoms. We would really need to see the age stratified data to have a better understanding of what is going on.
    
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    August 23, 2021 7:12pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    haha. So some of the few are vaccinated.
    
    Sorta kills the idea we have to be locked down until close to 100% are vaccinated.
    
    Love it when the pollies messages get slaughtered by facts.
    
    Sort of like why Coromandel is no longer mentioned. It would kill the message that we have to lock down because delta is so contangeous..ie RO of 6.
    But nobody in Coromandel got the bug?!
    And nothing in the sewers’.
    
    Sorta shoots down the very contagious story
    
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    August 23, 2021 10:10pm
- dcrane
  
  At random you would predict 20 double-vaxxed and 15 single-vaxxed among the 107 cases, based on our reported vaccination progress. At first that suggests it’s helping. But considering that few under 50s are vaccinated yet, the result isn’t as good depending on how many of the cases are young people.
  
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  August 23, 2021 6:59pm
  - dcrane
    
    I should have said what really matters is whether the vaxxed individuals end up in hospital as much as the unvaxxed ones. Fingers are crossed that they do not.
    
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    August 23, 2021 7:43pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. Worth noting though that this simple analysis falls over once an outbreak has been active for a month or so, mainly because some unvaccinated will be seropositive while other vaccinated will be not seropositive.
      
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      August 23, 2021 8:05pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      My bad “while other unvaccinated will be not seropositive”
      
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      August 23, 2021 8:18pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  Ah the conspiracy theory to mainstream media pipeline is about 2 weeks.
  
  Sorry sir you can’t enter these premises as you’ve only had your 67 booster, you are 5 boosters behind.
  
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  August 23, 2021 6:59pm
  - kevn
    
    @LC… Worse than Windows 10.
    
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    August 23, 2021 7:34pm
Southern Raider

TVNZ has had the nod from the boss that she wants more publicity.

Jacinda is supposedly on Seven Sharp tonight.

Obviously looking at the opinion polls and that she needs to do a prime time “concerned nod and wave” to get the country back in line with two sycophant show hosts who won’t ask any hard questions
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August 23, 2021 6:40pm
- Akarak
  
  Thanks for the warning.
  
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  August 23, 2021 7:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Them polls are dropping and need propping up!
    Even though one of her biggest fan, Hills is isolating because of her!
    
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    August 24, 2021 5:25pm
alex Masterley

Looking on the brightside of lockdown, the PM wont be in Auckland for a while.
On other matters any idea why the vacination centre in epsom has been shut down and my appointment for tomorrow has been moved to the Airport Oaks mega center?
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August 23, 2021 6:48pm
- Southern Raider
  
  They didn’t have enough workers for the vaccination centres
  
  Plus don’t want heed immunity to quick as Cindy would loose her main pillar of control
  
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  August 23, 2021 7:03pm
  - sooty
    
    They want you to travel, just like the Aucklander having to go to Hamilton for the jab!
    
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    August 24, 2021 5:20pm
Southern Raider

Quote from Jacinda on Seven Sharp

“We need to understand how this happened so we can tighten up our restrictions even more”
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August 23, 2021 7:06pm
Clownworld

Breaking news!

You can now self identify as vaccinated or non-vaccinated. V Passport and digital ID now you will not need as it discriminates those who identify as non-digital or non- identifiable.
Mandatory is now disallowed as it promotes binary positions on biology which are facts some will not identify with.

This just in … phrases like “follow the science” ,
” don’t be a covidiot” , ” anti-vaxxer” , “conspiracy expert” , ” vac hesitant” and other approved by your freedom first , for non-hate , be-kind transparency first govt are all good to use and cannot be challenged. They are special words created by extra special people who know better than the rest of us, about what is right and wrong.
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August 23, 2021 7:20pm
[email protected]

“JA said she listens to her experts and they are all in agreement”.

I have very serious doubts that a bunch of experts are all going to be in agreement.
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August 23, 2021 7:55pm
- Ehlana
  
  It used to be said that if you had two economists you had three opinions.
  
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  August 24, 2021 6:28am
hullkiwi

Life must be bad at the moment for the opposite echo chamber.

Mutton**** is more here than over there;
Gobby’s comments look almost intelligent;
They are not allowed to talk about the position vacant in the Department of the PM;
They were happy to put the boot into Garner;
They don’t talk about Covid and the current situation; and
They don’t talk about Afghanistan.

Something suggests that the mood among Jax’s friends is not what it was 12 months ago. Not a time to gloat, but it shows what happens when all you are delivering is woke platitudes and fear.
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August 23, 2021 8:29pm
JerJer

Media seem to be turning…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-the-governments-covid-preparedness-under-scrutiny/GSARWZ3WBZ447XGOZ32IS3TP7Q/

Hard times ahead for for silly Cindy.

Maybe she could announce a new shovel ready project. Digging holes to bury the people she just made very vulnerable due to her complete inaction and non-delivery of her Covid strategy or Vaccine roll out.
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August 23, 2021 8:34pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  So what will her plan be to open up now that we’re told the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission? Is she still planning on opening the borders up to fully vaccinated arrivals in January 2022? I’ve stopped watching TV. Only so much fake smiling I can bear.
  Israel reporting 90% of covid hospitalisations are fully vaccinated. Tough times ahead.
  
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  August 23, 2021 9:05pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, tough indeed. Do you have a reference for the Israeli 90% topic?
    
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    August 23, 2021 9:44pm
[email protected]

3 – 1/2 thousand protesters in Sydney. 9 police officers injured.

“Police only doing their jobs”. It is pretty amazing that not more officers were injured. The protesters are obviously motivated but not wanting to hurt the cops doing their jobs.

It is worrying that as the police are using more force to subdue the crowds that the crowds might eventually use more force against the vastly outnumbered police.
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August 23, 2021 8:45pm