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krazykiwi

This will be unwelcome news for people still clinging to the belief that vaccines are our way out of this:

Israel: Highest infection rate in the world

Israel is reporting the highest coronavirus infection rate in the world, showing that neither vaccine mandates nor “vaccine passports” are suitable means to limit or end the pandemic.
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It should be noted that even in Israel, covid vaccines continue to provide some limited protection (up to 50%) against hospitalization and severe disease. Nevertheless, double-vaccinated Israeli citizens will again count as ‘unvaccinated’ and will require a third dose. It may well be, however, that “booster shots” have further increased recent coronavirus infections (“post-vaccination spike”).

On the positive side, Israeli data confirms that natural immunity, acquired through previous infection, is much stronger and long-lasting – providing a protection up to 27 times higher than vaccination – thus opening up a realistic perspective to end the pandemic. Depending on the country, between 5% and 75% of the population have already acquired natural immunity.
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September 3, 2021 8:00am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  And Sweden has banned them, lol.
  
  Better hurry and get those booster jibby jabs into every Kiwi’s arms so that New Zealand can have the same success with the rollout as Israel has:
  
  https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1433482410558164993/photo/1
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:01am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Just had my second jab 10 minutes ago. Now I’ll wait another 8 months for jab 2. We just want our vaccine passports to get out of this stupidity.
    
    Wife’s friend in theUK has said they are aware of the chance of infection, are being more cautious, but they are learning to live with the virus in the community.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:29am
    - Batman
      
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      200 deaths per day and 10,000 cases.
      
      More like out of sight out of mind than anything else.
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:46am
      - EssenX
        
        The deaths per day sounds terrible. But as a % of the UK population I doubt that’s even 0.1%… I also imagine many of those dying have not been vaccinated.
        
        Cases is an irrelevant number.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:11am
      - Cinematic
        
        No shades of grey in your world are there Batman?
        
        Lots of deaths are preventable; cancers, traffic accidents, heart disease, drowning. The list goes on.
        
        Grow up for goodness sake.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:24am
      - Batman
        
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        There are thousands of shades of grey.
        
        This is a hilarious accusation given the blind affection for various causes and treatments around here.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:27am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Batman once again demonstrates that he and a sense of irony are not connected.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:39am
      - Cinematic
        
        Batman do try to make at least a little sense. There’s a good superhero.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:57am
      - rouppe
        
        There are 68,302,217 people in the uk. 200 deaths per day is 73,000 pa.
        
        As a percentage that is 0.107% of the population.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:05am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Actual death rate is 1.5 per million 7 day rolling
        Active cases is 500 per million,
        38,154 new cases yesterday
        Reproduction rate in UK just over 1 NZ 1.88.
        Population 68,300,000
        Maybe you get your figures from the mainstream media, they are highly selective and highly escalated.
        Last 7 days they show 740 deaths,
        six months 9,581 deaths, 53 deaths a day,
        I am not sure where you are getting your 200 deaths a day
        There reproductive figure is at magic 1, they are in full control.
        Inflated figures are being a little untruthful to say the least.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:09am
      - Jack5
        
        The responsible Covid Liveupdate web site reports no new Covid-19 cases in Sweden but 26,277 active cases. (Also, 1,088,203 recovered cases, and 14,651 deaths).
        
        The second link below is to a Swedish web site which claims Covid-19 incidence has increased in several parts of the country.
        
        Sweden has kept its businesses running and schools open throughout, though early this year it passed legislation allowing a lockdown.
        
        If TVNZ wanted to be useful, it could have Jack Lame take a muppet squad Sweden to report on what’s happening.
        
        However, Taiwan continues to the world stand-out with low infection and death numbers per capita, and businesses and schools running.
        
        Taiwan has begun inoculating people with its home-developed vaccine, from Medigen Vaccine Biologics Corp, before the end of its three trial phases. The final trial will be in Paraguay.
        
        Taiwan is already using Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines, but the Taiwan Times reports Tsai Ing-wen, the President (its first female president), held off on receiving shots until Medigen was ready.
        
        https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
        
        A web site in Sweden:
        
        https://www.thelocal.se/20210806/new-covid-19-cases-no-longer-at-low-levels-in-sweden/
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:15am
      - bennerg
        
        Batman stated: “200 deaths per day” (in the UK)
        
        Just for some relativity, in NZ our annual total mortality is 7.1 / 1000, or ~35,000 pa, or ~100 per day. That’s why there are so many Undertakers!
        
        People are dying as a part of our life, and especially with the elderly, or unhealthy, something will come along at some point of time, that tips them over the edge. A bit like that TV programme “Tipping Point”.
        
        That “something” will vary from time to time, it’s seasonal, and cyclical, and right now it is top of the scale. However we must not rely on simple “high level” statistics, especially when it could be that most of those dying may well have died of some other cause anyway, if not now, but in the very near future.
        
        For a huge majority (>99%), Covid-19 is just a bad flu. And that is the reality.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:20am
      - herb1
        
        200 deaths per day Batman’s slobbering at the mouth.
        What are thoughts on the other 1454 people who die each day.
        Before you blabber on about preventable deaths, I suspect there’s more than 200 of those extra deaths that would be preventable if , using covid economics, money is no object
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:56am
    - krazykiwi
      
      You want ‘vaccine passports’ ?!?
      
      Really?
      
      The WHO has recently [Aug-28th] published a document, sponsored by the Gates Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation, detailing technical specifications for the global implementation of “vaccine certificates”. Critics have long argued that “vaccine certificates” may well be a first step towards the introduction of a global digital biometric ID system that may later be expanded into a dystopian Chinese-style “social credit” control system
      
      Our grandchildren will NEVER forgive us if we allow this type of dystopian future to metastasise while we stand idly by.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:21am
      - gorse
        
        I have commented on the vaccine passport issue previously. I will say again that these are not new. I carried one in the 70’s in order to travel overseas. It was a yellow booklet, the size of a passport. In it was was recorded when I had a smallpox inoculation, and also one of the “coloured” fever shots, scarlet or yellow, I can’t remember which. You also had to have other vaccination types to travel to Africa, for example. We didn’t see it as a problem in those days. I guess, as a result of all of this, smallpox only exists in a couple of laboratories in the world now. A problem in itself.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:34am
      - hullkiwi
        
        kk, I don’t want the vaccine passports for Covid. It’s contrary to everything I believe in, but it is not going to get me anywhere standing at the airport, being told I’m not entitled a bording card to leave NZ without the pass.
        
        30 years ago, I lived and worked in PNG, given the nature of the place, I was happy to do the tests and get the jabs – it was free will as I was choosing to go to a country where certain viruses are more prevalent than in NZ.
        
        However, covid is a different matter, this a flu like respiratory virus with first governments and now Airlines controlling people as to our rights to be free citizens when we exit and return to supposedly democratic countries (immigration visas aside). The democratic world is not China, North Korea or Russia.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:46am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        It seems our host is all in for them as well, I am surprised he hasn’t posted this over here but I am sure it is just a matter of time
        https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/09/03/my-vision-of-a-post-lockdown-future/
        Quick poll thumbs down if you favour DPF’s approach and thumbs up if you think we just get back to living?
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:48am
      - Jack5
        
        Quarantine restrictions are at least centuries old.
        
        Here’s an interesting history site, which includes facts such as the origin of the world “quarantine”.
        
        It comes from the Italian “quaranta giorni,” for the 40 days which epidemic-infected ships were required to anchor off 14th Century Venice.
        
        The main ports in New Zealand have relics of the quarantine sites used for ship passengers and crews in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
        
        https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/historyquarantine.html
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:37am
      - krazykiwi
        
        gorse, I have no problem with a national authority printing a bit of paper to confirm I have been inoculated for, for example, Yellow Fever. This exists today.
        
        It is the prospect of a global digital biometric ID that should send shivers down everyone’s spines.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:44am
      - dcrane
        
        Gorse oops fat fingers hit “report” by accident.
        
        The real problem with “vaccine passports” is the application of the idea domestically, to restrict access to many elements of normal life.
        
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        September 3, 2021 1:50pm
    - Scott
      
      hullkiwi – I had my second jab last week. I also want to travel next year. Realistically I don’t see any way that this Prime Minister will back down from these draconian lockdowns unless the majority of New Zealanders are vaccinated?
      
      Although they don’t provide perfect protection they do seem to have diminished the death rate in the UK. The UK would have a thousand deaths a day at the peak of the pandemic. They had 200 deaths the other day, which is a lot. However bear in mind that about 695,000 people die in the UK every year which works out to be an average of 1900 a day. Added to the better treatment of Covid, people seem to be surviving it better. The vaccine appears to have made a difference in the UK and I think it is making a difference here. No one has died from the Delta variant so far. That’s probably because the most vulnerable have been vaccinated and we are protecting our rest homes better.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Downticked for the comment about wanting vaccine passports – that’s even more stupidity than we’re currently in.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:23am
    - Kiwi_in_Paris
      
      In most countries you are now considered unvaccinated. There is always one more jab to go….
      
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      September 3, 2021 4:50pm
      - Kiwi_in_Paris
        
        Turkey, for example, leading the global race with 4:
        
        https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/Turkey-starts-giving-a-fourth-jab-to-travelers-for-vaccine-passports
        
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        September 3, 2021 5:04pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So Sweden has again has been proven right again and again.
    
    High rates of natural immunity in the community and up to 27 times higher protection than vaccination.
    
    And what are our ethics compromised media reporting.
    
    Well certainly not questioning the government, unless, Prime minister are we locking down long enough?, Prime minister how do we keep ourselves safe?
    
    Will the government accept that it was wrong and that we wasted billions on an elimination strategy that was never going to work, never going to happen.
    
    They will double down on the stupid, hey let’s build dedicated isolation facilities, we can use them later as detention centers for those guilty of hate speach and in need of re-education.
    
    All hail our glorious one party state.
    
    All hail dear leader saint jacinda.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:52am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Over 14500 deaths, and they are not relying on natural immunity, they are getting vaccinated. What part of Sweden’s approach exactly did you want us to follow?
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:26am
      - dcrane
        
        Both! Deal with it by protecting yourself as best you can including the vaccines if they make sense for your case. “Two weeks to stop the spread” was OK too. But no more lockdowns and no domestic “vaccine passports”.
        
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        September 3, 2021 1:52pm
  - crikey
    
    No matter how you spin it, vaccines are part of the solution to managing the way out of Covid-19 restrictions.
    
    One of the key points, one might think, is at what point do we think we can accept increased infection (perhaps stopping widespread vaccination) and allow natural immunity to develop throughout the population. Evidence so far shows that a combination of vaccination plus natural infection gives the best and highest antibody spectrum.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:53am
    - Cinematic
      
      I agree that vaccines have a part to play. But the performance of the Pfizer vaccine is increasingly dubious.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:26am
    - Joe Kerr
      
      Being obedient to the government is the best way to make the government return the freedoms that they have taken from you? Funny guy.
      
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      September 3, 2021 5:18pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    I don’t see much ‘lol’ about Sweden’s ban of Israelis but I do see a great deal of unpleasant gloating about using ‘lol’ in this context.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:59am
    - Jack5
      
      Try the official Swedish web site below for the position of Sweden on Israelis.
      
      The border change, which comes into effect next Monday, applies also to citizens of the United States, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro and North Macedonia. Sweden is taking them off an exemption list, bringing the country into line with the European Union, of which it is a member.
      
      However, Sweden is also exempting from the border ban citizens of Iceland, Norway, and Leichenstein.
      
      https://www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reintroduce-ban-on-entry-to-sweden-for-travellers-from-the-us-israel-kosovo-lebanon-montenegro-and-north-macedonia/
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:45pm
    - Joe Kerr
      
      Well if Sweden has banned Israelis then at least they won’t have Mossad agents stealing their passports for nefarious purposes as they were caught doing here.
      
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      September 3, 2021 5:20pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile the CDC is now listing vaccinated COVID-19 deaths as UNvaccinated deaths if they die within 14 days of the vaccine.
  
  https://t.co/paxPfDp9lo
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:03am
  - kowtow
    
    We really do live in a “post truth” world.
    
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    September 3, 2021 8:23am
  - MCos
    
    Seeing as it takes a couple of weeks for the vaccine to become effective, that would make sense.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:19am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes, counting people vaccinated less than 14 days would give a false impression that vaccines were less effective. It is well know the vaccines aren’t fully effective until 14 days from the second dose.
      
      I know some here are hanging out to bag the vaccines but of all the things to criticise th CDC for, this aint one.
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:50am
      - Shunda barunda
        
        Latest data would suggest they’re not effective at all and could even be causing net increase in infection. Something very disturbing is going on in Israel right now, there is no way the stated efficacy of the pfizer shot can be true with what is happening over there.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:03am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Dangers of Covid-19 Gene Therapy Vaccines – Dr Robert Malone – Inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology
  
  https://rumble.com/vlx5og-dr.-robert-malone-inventor-of-mrna-vaccines-talks-about-dangers-of-covid-19.html
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:22am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So it could be the answer to the world’s over population problem, sterilize the child bearing female population, kill off the old people.
    
    Unheard of levels of propaganda and information control.
    
    Is it paranoia if they really are out to get you.
    
    Time will tell.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:07am
  - Oiseau
    
    Well I guess it all depends on who you listen to or what you read?https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:31am
- kevn
  
  @kk… Who is the most credible of the experts?
  Not counting the Pulpit of Truth duo.
  There are some we hear daily, other just pop up from time to time.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:27am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    In the light of Daniel Andrews caving to the inevitable reality that covid can not be eliminated In the long term and therefore bringing him, all be it kicking and screaming, into step with most of the world, can we please keep Baker off air and stop referring to the likes of him and Hendy as experts.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:06am
    - Flossie
      
      Let’s just look at their short lists i.e. the things they have correctly predicted. Honestly I think I could make just as “accurate” predictions as those two.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:47am
- Yvette
  
  krazykiwi
  I guess time will tell –
  
  If – Israel is reporting the highest coronavirus infection rate in the world, showing that neither vaccine mandates nor “vaccine passports” are suitable means to limit or end the pandemic.
  
  But – On the positive side, Israeli data confirms that natural immunity, acquired through previous infection, is much stronger and long-lasting – providing a protection up to 27 times higher than vaccination – thus opening up a realistic perspective to end the pandemic.
  
  – does this mean Israel should relatively shortly become the only country in the world to have the highest level of natural immunity – for people who survive their first contraction of covid?
  How long does natural immunity take to kick in, for us to see if this is true?
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:59am
  - krazykiwi
    
    How long does natural immunity take to kick in, for us to see if this is true?
    
    Not an expert of this (pharmachick… where are you?), so can only comment based on reading a bunch of papers. My take is, in relation to Covid-19 and the current generation of vaccines, that no one yet appears to know. There will do doubt by studies happening right now, looking at chorts with attenuated vaccine protection that has been followed by infections where the natural immune system was called to respond. Interested in any research others may have found on this.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:37am
    - tf78
      
      krazy, from what I gather the vaccines don’t give you natural immunity, they interfere with your natural immune system thus disabling it to a certain extent.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:00am
      - Ed Snack
        
        When working as intended, the self expression of the Covid spike protein generates and immune antibody response in the body. However it does appear (but not fully demonstrated as far as I am aware) that the other forms of human immunity (T and B cells) are not activated normally.
        
        Antibody activity alone declines with time since the “infection” or in this case, the vaccination. The longer term immune memory is preserved in the T and B cell subsystems. Hence the expressed desire to have booster shots to keep the antibody levels up.
        
        A natural infection once repelled does generate T and B cell memories, and these are both long lasting and also augment the antibody system, hence, supposedly, the much stronger protection offered.
        
        Note that other vaccines, non-mRNA ones are supposed to activate the T and B cell pathways.
        
        As a side note, it is possible, and I think Benedict mentioned this the other day, the relatively high vaccine side effects from the mRNA vaccines may be related to the mRNA itself not staying in the muscle tissue (where it would be expressed and used up, generating a local semi auto-immune reaction) but getting out into the blood or lymph systems. If in the blood, these would quite quickly end up in the heart where if the mRNA is expressed in heart tissue it would generate a strong and potentially lethal heart tissue or heart sack inflammation response. This is the pericarditis/myocarditis side effect.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:50am
      - Ehlana
        
        Looks like from Ed’s answer below that we should vaccinate as many as want it as soon as possible, then open the borders immediately, letting the virus in while the vaccinated have maximum protection and can develop natural immunity by having Covid-19 with minimised side effects.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:45am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yes, on the face of it a staged transition to a position similar to Iceland would seem to be the new “best practice” option. Vaccinate as many as you can to minimise the impact, focusing on the most vulnerable first. Then “allow” the virus to spread as slowly as is reasonable or can be managed (which may not be slow at all or in the least bit manageable). For those who have had the disease, no vaccination needed.
        
        And as a further “leg” to the strategy, investigate and if possible obtain other vaccines that may have a significantly better level of protection, there are several candidates with the Novavax one probably the closest to approval.
        
        Sticking with the current strategy is both bound ultimately to fail and it is crushing our economy. And for those who can’t see the whole picture, the economy is people’s lives, and the lockdowns are potentially killing more people than the virus has or will. And NZ will be permanently poorer and less able to afford first world levels of health care.
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:45pm
    - Yvette
      
      krazykiwi – How long does natural immunity take to kick in
      
      the body’s natural immune response following infection is usually only protective against the variant of the virus that the person was infected with
      – which may apply to some degree with vaccinations too
      
      Age is regarded as a risk factor for severe COVID-19, and antibody production appears to be weaker in the elderly relative to younger people. Comparably, children appear to have more cross-reactive antibodies and a higher number of SARS-CoV-2-specific B-cells.
      
      Possible indication of time to develop anti-bodies appears to be maybe a month –
      one example – The swift rise over the first month of infection, followed by a fast decline of the circulating spike IgG and IgA antibodies, is a consistent finding and likely explained by the disappearance of the short-lived plasmablasts.
      
      And several sources indicate “natural immunity” appears to start fading from about 8 months.
      
      also, totally random info –
      In Pakistan, people without a “vaccine certificate” can no longer use motorways or even cellphones.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Must be tricky for people in Pakistan, according to Outworldindata their vaccination level is 8% of the population.
        
        I don’t rate their chances at stopping 92% of the population using cellphones or even using their motorways.
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:37pm
    - paulscott
      
      Natural immunity should start coming in at 14 days after a novel real infection [ not injected junk ] . After the first response the immune reaction is almost straight away with B cell antibody and T cells and macrophages.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:53am
  - dannz
    
    Yes, vaccines are still the way out, even if all they do is make the process of getting natural immunity (i.e. catching Covid) less deadly.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:43am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Israel didn’t “need to let in Covid” for the population to raise “herd immunity”, an uncontrolled surge is underway and they are heading back to where they were with social distancing and masks.
      Judging by that NZ has it right. Not racing against the clock with Covid spreading fast in the community.
      
      “Yet boosters are unlikely to tame a Delta surge on their own, says Dvir Aran, a biomedical data scientist at Technion. In Israel, the current surge is so steep that “even if you get two-thirds of those 60-plus [boosted], it’s just gonna give us another week, maybe 2 weeks until our hospitals are flooded.” He says it’s also critical to vaccinate those who still haven’t received their first or second doses, and to return to the masking and social distancing Israel thought it had left behind—but has begun to reinstate.
      
      Aran’s message for the United States and other wealthier nations considering boosters is stark: “Do not think that the boosters are the solution.”
      
      https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-in-iceland/
      
      Iceland is having its 4th wave of Covid having found “herd immunity,” to have been unsuccessful.
      
      Updated from 4 days ago from the same link:
      
      “Icelandic health authorities hoped to achieve herd immunity through widespread vaccination, but those hopes were dashed when the fourth wave of infection began in late summer 2021.”
      
      The herders are dreamers that go to war backward with their butts showing.
      
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      September 3, 2021 4:31pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Look to Sweden they went down the natural immunity path right from the start.
    
    Search the horrid files for stories on Sweden and it’s natural immunity stance.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:11am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And 14500 people died, and now they are getting vaccinated.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:28am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Their death rate from all causes from Jan 1-Dec 31 2020 was 0.94%.
        
        Their average annual death rate for the 2009-2019 decade was 0.92%. There were several years that exceeded 0.94%.
        
        In other words Sweden did not suffer thousands of death from Covid-19 PLUS the usual thousands of deaths from flu and Pneumonia, which is what you’d expect from a disease that kills in the same way and which kills the same type of people, the elderly and infirm.
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:03pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
  
  17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:17am
  - Lance
    
    Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    
    You think having a vaccination is taking the number of the beast and all that do are eternally damned?
    
    Or did you just randomly blurt that out?
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:48am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Well that’s 100% wrong as a prophecy isn’t it, this being a vaccine rather than a tattoo.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:16am
    - paulscott
      
      A tattoo can not be identified up from a distance . Your ID chip, when you bow down to take it, will beidentifiable. You won’t be a stellaboxer any more. You will be marked . I’ll give it a few more “vaccine shots ” before your permanent tat is popped inside you. Some people will take longer to recognise the reality than others.
      
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      September 3, 2021 12:00pm
  - Yvette
    
    ABS4EVA – your Revelations random quote –
    The Greek word used for this “mark of the beast” is charagma, related to the brand seared into animals to denote their ownership,
    Revelation 14:9–11 indicates that those who accept this mark are identifying themselves with Satan (evil), and rejecting God
    
    Perhaps, ABS4EVA, you should see some references in the Bible are metaphors not facts.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:52am
    - ABS4EVA
      
      There are TWO
      
      BEASTS of the APOCALYPSE
      
      They both Reference 6 6 6
      
      You must have Wisdom
      
      If you don’t you can not solve the puzzle
      
      Good Luck
      
      HEATHEN
      
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      September 3, 2021 3:57pm
- Scooter
  
  [the C word is banned on Kiwiblog. Do not attempt to use it again. Final warning – Mod]
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:20am
  - Scooter
    
    [Intentional repetition. Two week suspension for sending that for approval – Mod]
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:26am
- RockyJ
  
  Interesting Krazy. Do you know what the Israel death from Covid rate is? My understanding is that once vaccinated you don’t get as sick
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Protection from infection attenuates from about month 2 to less than 50% at month 6. Evidence varies on the quantum, but the trend is undisputed.
    
    The death rate is a little tricker to contextualise for our purposes because: –
    
    (a) Israel had the Alpha wave prior to vaccination, where NZ had no such wave.. so the natural immunity profiles will be quite different.
    
    (b) Israel had vaccinations happening much earlier than NZ so the protective effect of these therapies will be attenuating differently.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:37am
    - Phronesis
      
      I think the trend of vaccine attenuation is real. If we don’t open up this summer we are going to have real issues next winter or the following summer when the vax immunity is all but gone in the elderly.
      
      We are now the only country in the world that doesn’t have a plan to live with the virus.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:56am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Also need to consider confounding effects, and the data is mostly inadequate for this.
      
      For example, the in latest UK figures, for those <50 years old, the IFD (infection death rate, that is the number recorded as catching Covid who do die from it) is around 2-2.5 x higher amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Which sounds like a damning situation for vaccination, but the numbers are quite low and can easily be skewed. If in that age group the most vulnerable (existing co-morbidities say) were targeted and have largely been vaccinated, they would be far more vulnerable even after vaccination than the mostly healthy unvaccinated group, thus their infections and deaths would indeed skew the result. I would suggest that this is happening, but the extent of the effect is not known; would take a fairly sophisticated bit of analysis to tease this out, and quite possibly, significantly better data.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:00am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Well obviously it doesn’t work because people haven’t started taking the twice a day covid 19 pill.
  https://nationalfile.com/pfizer-is-now-developing-a-twice-per-day-covid-pill-that-must-be-taken-alongside-vaccines/
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:29am
  - tf78
    
    Wayne alongside Ritonavir.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:02am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I think it’s the hysterical politicians that need to take a pill [deleted]. Imagine the money being made just with a global vaccine roll out mandated by governments let alone the fortunes to be had from everyone popping a couple of pills everyday . This whole thing stinks.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Twice a day pill.
    
    That’s the headline.
    
    The truth is it’s the equivalent of giving Pfizer your bank details + PIN and inviting them to help themselves.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:28am
  - paulscott
    
    Covid pill . It could be Ivermectin with a new name . An expensive name. Anyone who takes anything from Pfizer doesn’t know Pfizer history, or ignores that criminal history.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:47am
- Ra Henare
  
  One swallow does not make a summer.
  Quoting Israel information while ignoring the rest of the world could be seen as cherry picking.
  
  How are other highly vaccinated countries doing?
  Singapore
  Portugal
  Spain
  Denmark
  
  So Israel is an outlier.
  So Israel is a lone swallow ?
  
  I recommend ourworldindata.org
  
  They have some great interactive graphs.
  Plug in to the daily cases per million countries of your choice.
  Dang a whole bunch of swallows flying way way under Israel?
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:39am
  - cmm
    
    The point behind vaccines is that are supposed to work. They are supposed to be silver bullets.
    
    Do this one thing (get vaccinated) and nothing else matters.
    
    There should not be outliers.
    
    If there are outliers then it means the variability is down to other factors – it is not the vaccine that is doing it.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:03am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Nobody with any scientific credential has said that vaccines are silver bullets, that nothing else matters and that there will be no variability in results.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:13am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Oh yes they did, but faced with the evidence that they certainly are not, most have backtracked.
        
        Vaccines are not typically sold as therapeutics, for example you don’t get the MMR vaccine to simply reduce ones chance of getting measles etc or to reduce the impact if you do get it, you get the MMR jab to prevent you ever catching the diseases. Same with the Flu jab, it prevents you catching the varieties that it is designed to cover but probably has no impact on other varieties.
        
        This “designed to ameliorate” narrative is just a cover for the failure of the vaccinate to eliminate strategy. It’s fine and a worthwhile addition to our ways to combat the virus, but don’t pretend that it isn’t a fallback strategy.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:17am
      - cmm
        
        Agreed.
        
        Yet a highly effective vaccine – that would stop infection cold – is the fundamental basis for the elimination strategy and MIQ.
        
        ie. Keep it out until we have the vaccine.
        
        The vaccine is not good enough to do that, so the elimination strategy is no longer sound (if it ever was).
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:17am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
        
        Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97%
        effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.
        
        https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html
        
        Show us where any medical expert said that the covid vaccine would be 100% effective.
        
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        September 3, 2021 5:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Iceland had vaccinated over 70% of its population…
    It is just coming out of its 4th wave of infection.
    
    https://www.icelandreview.com/ask-ir/whats-the-status-of-covid-19-in-iceland/
    
    Like Israel, it has accepted that vaccination and harsh lockdowns have not been the solution to elimination .
    
    Iceland is probably a model we should look at.
    Like NZ, it is able to regulate travel into the country easily.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:31am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Has a significant number in ICU, would stress our hospital system given that we have something over 7-8 x the population. Admittedly we have a better climate with theoretically higher Vitamin D levels.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:18am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Correct
        Two thirds of those in Iceland ICU with Covid-19 have been vaccinated
        https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2021/08/14/iceland_s_main_icu_strained_by_new_covid_19_cases/
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:03pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Given that Iceland is over 75% vaccinated, the fact that 67% of those in ICU are vaccinated is not promising, though I would expect that the most vulnerable are all vaccinated, and that those vulnerable people are more likely to show up in ICU anyway.
        
        So the vaccine may well be helping, but it might take a more sophisticated analysis to really demonstrate the advantages.
        
        One of the things I lament about this whole saga is the dearth of good, reliable, non-politically obsessed data and the analysis of same. More than anything, our response to Covid and how we change that should be firmly based on solid scientific evidence, and yet so much of it is not. People have lost faith in experts because they lie to you so much and refuse to even acknowledge those lies when confronted with them.
        
        The origins of the virus is one example, the effectiveness (or total lack of effectiveness) of masks is another, plus the whole vaccine will PREVENT infection/oh no it never was supposed to prevent but just to ameliorate narrative. That and the 15 days to reduce the spread.
        
        Sure, at the start we didn’t know very much and a lot of what was tried looked promising and should indeed be tried. Like masks, until it was convincingly demonstrated that Covid is an aerosolized virus I for one opined that we should mask up as much as possible. As the data changed though, it is obvious that masking is ineffective and simply a political gesture/control mechanism, yet that cannot, it seems, be admitted.
        
        Same with the vaccine, sure, believe it would be 95% effective and effectively stop the spread, but now that it is quite clear that it isn’t 95% effective, stop it with the eliminate, admit the problem (no one will blame you for a change driven by newer and better data, or they shouldn’t if you act in good faith) and restrategize.
        
        So, why has politics become so poisonous that attempts to have an open debate and find the best ways to deal with this are dealt with using command and control narratives and the shutting down of free speech ?
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        A telling paragraph in Maggy Wassilieff’s 10.31 post about Iceland:
        
        In the fourth wave of infection, unvaccinated individuals have [sic] four times as likely to be hospitalised after a COVID-19 infection and six or seven times more likely to end up in the ICU than those who are vaccinated.
        
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        September 3, 2021 2:55pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    One reason to use Israeli data is that it is available at a level of detail not seen from other countries.
    
    Israel has vaccinated a relatively high proportion of its citizens, one problem is that the percentage actually vaccinated is cited at quite different levels by different people. For example Science magazine (reasonably reliable) says 78%, yet Ourworldindata site says 62.5% fully vaccinated. The difference could be age classification, it might be that 78% over the over 12’s are vaccinated which equals 62.5 overall.
    
    However other places have higher levels, Ireland is at 67% and Iceland at 77%, plus Denmark at 72%, Gibraltar at over 100% (not sure how that works, maybe third shot boosters). And Yemen, at <0.1%.
    
    Israel is a relatively open society and seems to have good reporting, so a useful source, but not the only one.
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:20pm
- Todd123
  
  The Swiss Policy institute sounds impressive but in fact is a conspiracy theory website established by ‘persons unknown’ – not exactly an authoritative source of information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:46am
  - NoFax
    
    And wikipeida is “edited” by persons unknown. In fact it has been captured by the extreme left now. There is a reason why no one cites wikipedia. Should look at the sources.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:15am
  - Cinematic
    
    Refute the data linked to in their article if you can.
    
    It’s the data that counts not a tiny Wikipedia page making unsubstantiated claims about another page.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:29am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Every claim is referenced.
    
    And quoting Wikipedia as a source of authority? Really?
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:30am
    - Todd123
      
      The data references seem to be correct – but the conclusion is bunkum https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/31/covid-israel-hospitalization-rates-simpsons-paradox/
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:14am
  - SoloView
    
    Another link re Swiss Policy Research
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/swiss-policy-research/
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:50am
    - Todd123
      
      Yes indeed : ” Overall, we rate Swiss Policy Research (SPR) a Moderate Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unproven claims. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sources and complete lack of transparency. (M. Huitsing 5/21/2020) Updated (3/22/2021) “
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:42am
      - Cinematic
        
        Moderate. No self respecting conspiracy website would find that satisfactory.
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:08pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Belarus used to be my “reference”” country as they didnt do lockdown. The President told his people to open the windows of schools to protect the children from Covid etc etc.
  
  In my mind a much better outlier than Sweden. But thats another story.
  
  I see now they are vaccinating away albeit with Russian and Chinese product. But still only 3.1% against NZ 23% 2 jabbers.
  
  But gosh. Belarus reports a CFR lower than Singapore & Spain.
  Their Deaths per million is constant.
  
  Interesting
  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=BLR~NZL
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:17am
- surfing
  
  In other words, the message from krazykiwi to the world is not to vaccinate and open up the borders.
  
  Do I trust krazykiwi from kiwiblog, or actual scientists who studied medical science their entire lives?
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:52am
  - paulscott
    
    surfing you mean scientists like Kary Mullis, [ Inventor of PCR ] Robert Malone [ inventor of the RNA technology and Peter McCullough, Michael Palmer. and so on. Or who do you mean surfer ?. Print names of flakes here .
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:38am
    - surfing
      
      Peter McCullough said you cannot catch covid twice.
      
      This guy is a nut case.
      
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      September 3, 2021 1:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Who to trust? Well that’s the ultimate question isn’t it, surfing?
    
    The wise person looks to motivations ahead of credentials. However if you want to blindly buy into argumentum ab auctoritate then fill your boots.
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:06pm
- paulscott
  
  KK and KIP Here is the detailed evidence on how the Spike protein and the covering lipid container packages work. And also fundamental destruction of the facile and invalid testing process Pfizer engaged. This is biochemist Michael Palmer appearing on the “Last American Vagabond ” blog, and is suitable for serious investigators. It also includes Catherine A. Fitts on political implications, and the financial reset. https://www.bitchute.com/video/B34Q7kwa8ra3/
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:22am
- paulscott
  
  [Multiple posting of the same link doesn’t make it any more credible. Mod.]
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:33am
Vory v zakone

Quick reads from The Week That Was

_Trump on vaccine mandates:
“I don’t think you should be forcing them to have it”
_Poll: Joe Biden Approval Hits Record Low; Net Approval Dives 12 Points in Two Weeks. MSM can’t keep carrying him on their back‼️
_Vaccine protestors clash with police in Manchester, UK. The people are not going to take it! Stand up for your freedoms‼️
_#BidenWarCrimes trends on Twitter
_War correspondent Special Forces vet says U.S-military turned away Americans Kabul Airport
_”THE END” .. Donald Trump Jr. Posts on Instagram
_GOP Congressman Who Threatened ‘Rogue’ Mission to Rescue Americans is ‘Missing’
_Chase Bank reverses course, claims it mistakenly cancelled General Flynn’s credit card.
_Florida diner owner posts sign telling Biden backers “to take your business elsewhere”! (Report)
_Marine BLASTS superiors who ordered him to go on mental health evaluation after posting DAMNING view on botched Afghan exit
_Mass Migration Fears in ACTION! Watch the Exodus across the desert as Afghans flee through Pakistan towards Iran!
_Dr. Young reveals Graphene.Aluminum, LNP capsids, parasite in 4 vaccines
_Navy Helicopter Crashes Off San Diego Coast, 5 Missing
_Iranian fuel ships are near Suez en route to Syria, Lebanon amid worst fuel crisis
_PFIZER COLLUSION: Fauci says deadly spike protein injections should be mandatory for all children under age 12
_Researchers show that children are much safer developing natural immunity to COVID-19 than getting vaccinated
_New Zealand government confirms woman died from the Pfizer vaccine
_New South Wales will keep vaccinating residents against COVID-19 for YEARS to come, says state’s top doctor
_Millionaire journalist offers $1.7 million to anyone who can prove the coronavirus can cause disease
_Red Cross Says Vaccine Takers Can’t Donate Plasma to Covid Patients
_Azorean Tatum: 16-year-old Tennessee kid collapses at school, dies days later after receiving Pfizer (Comirnaty) mRNA…
_Francesca Marcon: 38-year-old Italian volleyball player develops pericarditis after second Pfizer mRNA injection,…
_Kelly Higgins: 31-year-old Ohio woman talked into Moderna injection by her doctor, develops blood clots, myocarditis…
_’I Hope You Burn in Hell,’ Sister of Slain Marine Tells Biden After Disrespectful Move During Ceremony
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September 3, 2021 8:00am
- Inandout
  
  Vv, a lot of that info is on Fox but you of course realise that this info is probably completely missing from our MSM. Good though for your digging this stuff out.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:19am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Reposted from Hazin’s YouTube Chanel.
  Better tha nothing I guess
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:23am
- PhilBest
  
  “…Vaccine Takers Can’t Donate Plasma to Covid Patients…”
  
  And as Dr Peter McCullough points out, the fewer the people remaining unvaccinated, the smaller the window of opportunity for plasma treatment of the disease becomes.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:26am
- Ed Snack
  
  FYI, GOP congressman is back, simply had to “go dark” for a couple of days.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:29am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Australia got the Hong Kong style protests in the streets to try to defend democracy, now they have the re-education camps, and predictably the social credit points system.

Here are the relevant links:

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1433342429768396802

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1433408942336581639

I used to post on a Beijing forum for years, like this forum. Because the CCP eventually made a rule that no person could post anonymously on the internet anymore, they deleted the entire two decades of forum posts for all posters.

I imagine KB will need to do the same soon, seeing as let’s face it, NZ is heading to the CCP system, just as Australia has already. Will this mean the end of KB soon?
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September 3, 2021 8:00am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The new hate speech laws will require it.
  
  The censorship is going to have to go to unheard of levels.
  
  In some cases whole blogs and media will just have to be removed.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:21am
Greg Ettridge

Dr. Peter McCullough: “The Vaccine Is Failing in the ??UK And ??Israel”

1. The Virus Does Not Spread Asymptomatically.
2. We Should Never Test Asymptomatic People.
3. Natural Immunity Is Robust, Complete, And Durable.
4. Covid-19 Is Easily Treatable at Home.
5. The Current Vaccines Are Obsolete, Unsafe, And Unfit for Human Use.
Who to trust, Super Rich people making money with this, or honest poor experts with tons of rational facts!??
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September 3, 2021 8:01am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Morning downticker/s, here is some more great news which should excite you.
  Even though your soul source of information keeps telling you vaccination is the only way of of this circus, this article clearly tells us:
  Natural Immunity Is Robust, Complete, And Durable.
  Cindy and her mates will wake up to this one day.
  “Natural Immunity Lawsuit Over Covid-19 Vaccine Mandate Ends in Surprising Result❗️”
  A George Mason University (GMU) Law Professor Who Sued the School Over Its Covid-19 Vaccine Mandate Was Granted a Medical Exemption by The School
  The Washington Examiner Reports Todd Zywicki, The Law Professor at The Fairfax, Virginia, School Said He Had Covid-19 And Defeated It, Therefore His Natural Immunity, He Argued, Should Prevent Him from Having to Get the Vaccination.
  GMU Had a Mandate Requiring All Attending Students to Be Inoculated by Aug. 1. Faculty And Staff Had a Deadline of Aug. 15 To Be Vaccinated. Those Who Did Not Comply with The Mandate Had to Show a Reason for A Medical or Religious Exemption.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:14am
  - Ra Henare
    
    There is always someone who swims against the tide.
    While I am sure Dr McCullough has some strong beliefs
    (I saw the Video of his presentation to Texas Senate)
    I have to question why, if his assertions are accurate, why there are no clinical trials that support them, You know those pesky double blind trials of more than 63 people-peer reviewed)
    
    Why, if his assertions are accurate, why are they not used by the majority of Doctors treating Covid patients.
    Oh, I forgot its a conspiracy theory. ALL the doctors in the world are under the thumb of big pharma,
    So Hospitals want their ICUs overflowing with Covid patients.
    Politicians are happy with high death rates in their areas.
    
    Sorry. While I like the idea and there is some reports of successful treatments.
    I look at the wider world. If his solution is successful and cheap. Why is the third world not adopting it?
    The whole thing does not pass my taste test, I will taste again in a month or two.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:52am
    - Cinematic
      
      The western world settled on a public health approach based around vaccination. It is not a conspiracy but it is an approach that should be open to challenge. The problem is to accept that, is to undermine the public health approach itself.
      
      So we have a situation were even eminent scientists and medical doctors are slandered for offering an alternative view. To protect the public health approach. And so we go round and round.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:37am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yes and here is the full version from Dr Peter McCullough – “The failed mass Covid-19 vaccination programme will go down as one of the most deadly in history”
  
  Israel was one of the first countries to mass vaccinate its population under an agreement with Pfizer.
  
  Eighty percent of adults are fully vaccinated there, yet Covid-19 cases and serious hospitalisations have risen 20-fold since early July with more than 80% of new cases reported by the Israeli Health Ministry among vaccinated individuals.
  
  In the United Kingdom, more than three-quarters of the adult population (76 percent) have received two doses of a Covid-19 injection and almost 90 percent of adults have received at least one dose. Yet, the number of Covid-19 patients hospitalised has soared sevenfold since early June this year.
  
  The most recent U.K. report on “variants of concern” published by Public Health England revealed that 58% of Covid-19 deaths are among the fully vaccinated, with that number rising to 67% when including those who had received a single dose of a Covid-19 injection.
  
  That data, McCullough said, “is basically showing that the vaccines are failing.”
  
  Covid-19, no matter what the variant, is easily treatable at home with simple, available drugs, according to McCullough, who has stated that “about 88 percent of hospitalisations and deaths can be avoided” with early treatment.
  
  https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/26/dr-peter-mccullough-covid-19-vaccination-programme-most-deadly-in-history/
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:22am
  - PhilBest
    
    One of the most astonishing things about this whole civil conflict, is how the “high moral ground” is taken by the side whose favorite officials and politicians
    – dump infectious people into rest homes
    – suppress initiative of frontline doctors
    – suppress the use of treatments proven by the frontline doctors with initiative and competence
    – run the biggest ever gouging crony capitalism racket in history, with “Big Pharma”
    – get important decisions wrong until it is too late to reverse the harm (remember “no evidence of human to human transmission” from the WHO?)
    – have cosy relationships with Chicoms that over-rules their loyalty to the humanity they are meant to be responsible for
    – routinely exaggerate and lie “in a good cause” rather than trusting people with the facts (because people must be mindless droids, not humans), and censor and suppress anyone who makes a stand for truth
    – create collateral damage in death and health outcomes themselves that are worse than the original problem, and lie about it
    – suppress information and lie about important counter-example strategies such as Sweden’s
    – use computer-modelled predictions to terrify people and never admit they are wrong, “lockdowns saved us from the predictions coming true” (see Sweden)\
    – bombard vaccine side-effect sufferers with hate mail and death threats and de-platform them en mass from the internet
    
    Yeah, these people really, really, have the high moral ground.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:39am
  - Todd123
    
    Yawn – more reference to conspiracy websites citing dubious and/or downright false information.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:43am
- dannz
  
  Have you even checked the numbers he quotes? They’re mostly made up.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:35am
- surfing
  
  Peter McCullough also said…
  
  “COVID-19 survivors can’t get the virus and don’t need to be vaccinated”
  
  First part is definitely wrong, second part too.
  
  In fact, this guy is a nutjob, just about everything he says is fake news.
  
  Disturbing to see so many upticks who believe this rubbish.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:55am
  - Cinematic
    
    I’d be interested in what you’re basing your point of view on regarding the statement you highlighted? You think it is necessary for a person who has had Delta to get vaccinated?
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes, without doubt.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:11pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    You are talking complete bullshit surfing. It takes time to complete research on this but the latest data very strongly points to the conclusion that immunity gained from a previous infection of Covid is far superior to vaccine mediated partial immunity.
    
    Of course those with apparent natural immunity can get a second dose of Covid, people with defective immune systems that don’t retain sufficient immune memory exist, but these cases are very, very rare. By contrast there are hundreds of thousands of fully vaccinated people who have subsequently caught Covid, with significant numbers dying from it.
    
    There is a risk to vaccination, and there is zero data that suggests vaccination improves the immunity of those who already have natural immunity. So you are advocating a procedure that adds risk but with no positive outcome, typical of authoritarian types. You Vill Do What I Say !
    
    It is indeed disturbing that people who think themselves “intelligent” get so easily drawn into conspiracy fuelled authoritarianism.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:40am
    - surfing
      
      “You are talking complete bullshit surfing. ”
      
      Not me talking.
      
      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/prepare-for-vaccination.html
      
      Get vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19.
      
      Official US government advice. So, you are claiming the best scientists in the US are talking bullshit.
      
      Who do I trust? Dodgy Ed Snack from kiwiblog and his echobox mates? Or the CDC? Plenty of unvaccinated people like you are dying from covid. You go you!
      
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      September 3, 2021 1:17pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Of course those with apparent natural immunity can get a second dose of Covid, people with defective immune systems that don’t retain sufficient immune memory exist, but these cases are very, very rare.”
      
      Ah, no. These cases are very very common:
      
      https://www.wreg.com/news/cdc-unvaccinated-more-likely-to-get-covid-19-a-second-time/
      
      “So you are advocating a procedure that adds risk but with no positive outcome, ”
      
      The “positive outcome” is 10 x lower risk of hospitilisation and 20 x lower risks of death.
      
      “latest data very strongly points to the conclusion that immunity gained from a previous infection of Covid is far superior to vaccine mediated partial immunity.”
      
      The data points to the opposite.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:16pm
Luke Piewalker

Whilst this government keeps COVID front and centre hogging all news, it means they are hiding all of the actual wreckage they are inflicting on NZ.

This media driven COVID has to stop.

Time to get NZ on track.
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September 3, 2021 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  LP, I am surprised that Hosking has become almost obsessed with covid and getting the jab. That chap Olds from Oz calls anyone with a different view ‘idiots, morons’. He runs with the hares and changes his mind on a monthly basis. Anyways, the podium today will ‘allow’ families to meet for Father’s Day in L4, well at least those with known fathers.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:49am
  - SilverSurfer
    
    Yep agree with you there have stopped listening to the man he’s become as hysterical as the rest of them…
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:25am
  - Joe Kerr
    
    Well Hosking has taken his Kool Aid, so now he is on a mission to ensure everyone drinks theirs.
    
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    September 3, 2021 5:31pm
- surfing
  
  Yes, by vaccinating.
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:18pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I heard someone this morning blaming the low Maori vax rate on its inaccessibility to those without transport etc. Perhaps they should have a nurse available at the food parcel giveaway.
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September 3, 2021 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  NMTB, or at the fast food line up. Looking at those skateboarders grabbing food from the fast food windows shows it can be done. Sometimes the line is around the block and bored customers can be ‘saved’ as they wait.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:52am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    They will be waiting for a payment.
    
    Let’s say $500 cash when you get the jab.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:31am
- backster
  
  No offer free Beer. It always works.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:55am
- PhilBest
  
  Is there really a correlation between race and being without transport? My impression is that Maori are above-average automobile owners. Import Protection removal and Jap Imports were the best thing anyone ever did for Maori transport availability. Thank you thank you thank you Roger Douglas
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    That is why Samoa changed to driving on the left – so they had access to Jap imports.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:26am
    - Jack5
      
      The Russians east of the Urals import used vehicles from Japan, too.
      
      I presume Vladivostok has many good tradie businesses converting them to left-hand drive.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:36pm
- Weinerpoop
  
  Maori were given priority to get the jab over every other race in NZ and they didn’t turn up to get them. I deal with MIQ facilities at work and we couldn’t get the jab through official channels so got all of our staff jabbed at a local medical center because the Maoris weren’t turning up and they didn’t want to waste the vaccine. This was back in July. It pisses me off when I hear the Maoris bitching about a racial health system when they are pushed to the front and still don’t turn up.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:43am
- crikey
  
  Where there’s a will there’s a way (to get transport for vaccination).
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:01am
- coge
  
  Solution. “The KFC Vax Pack”
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:40am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    LOL.
    But but but….colonisation.
    
    There was no Covid in NZ before Captain Cook arrived; FACT
    
    Before the devastating arrival of Europeans, life was bliss here.
    Singing all day, “La La LaLaLa Laaa’, and nothing to do but gather the abundant Smurfberries.
    
    Now there is diabetes, obesity and heart disease and all the pesky diseases of advance age and overindulgence.
    And now Covid & racist vaccines.
    Thanks a bunch, white devils.
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:59pm
    - Joe Kerr
      
      Well pre European NZ may not have had COVID, but Europeans cured Maori of slavery and cannibalism. Where’s the thanks for that?
      
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      September 3, 2021 5:34pm
- Maxx
  
  What is clear is no matter how much money and however many solutions are thrown at the issues of Maori inequalities, there still remains an issue. At what point does personal responsibility come into the equation? The woke would never propose that as part of the solution though – they enjoy being the savior.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This has been happening worldwide. Fearmongering. https://thebeltwayreport.com/2021/09/cdc-admits-they-have-been-counting-the-flu-as-covid-cases-numbers-largely-inflated/
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September 3, 2021 8:03am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Breaking News: Motorcyclist with cold hits truck at high speed. Cause of death: Covid.
  
  In other news: Mrs Smith aged 95 dies today. No autopsy. Cause of death: Covid.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:14am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Steve, it has been known for many moons that these tests are not fit for purpose of what they are using them for.
  Manipulating Cycle rates and inability to actually ascertain what the person has tested positive to has always been a problem.
  They are fit for purpose if you want fear porn, just crank it up to 40 cycles and over and you can find a kiwifruit or any other hapless with the dreaded lurgy. The Africans worked this out way back.
  When the new testing is installed, the cases will plummet and the flu will magically reappear.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice way of saying the Govt can lie through their teeth and we just accept it
    
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    September 3, 2021 8:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The WHO has also declared the mRNA test unfit for purpose.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:13am
    - PhilBest
      
      It is astonishing how long it takes for WHO decisions that reflect scientific reality, to filter down to tinpot dictator administrations in countries like NZ and Oz. They admitted in April this year (at least 1 year too late) that spread is not by contact, droplets and fomites, but by airborne virus buildup indoors.
      
      But in the Antipodes there are still some crypto-tyrants bitter that their Plods might miss out on the opportunity for a bit of practice with the jackboots, batons, pepper spray, handcuffs, and kneeling on necks that the rest of the world has been put through.
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:47am
I remember when

Remember when the “TELLYBAN” was because the kids had been naughty or watched too much of it.
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September 3, 2021 8:07am
Critical Thinker

Australia Now officially a Fascist Police State.

A new “Identify and disrupt” law allows the ~~Gestapo~~ Police WITHOUT a judges warrant to:

– Hack your device.
– Take over your social media and email accounts and impersonate you.
– Add to, modify and delete your data.

And to think that this time last year I was seriously considering moving to Australia, due to the unarguable fact that A/NZ is rapidly becoming a tyrannical hellhole. Now I rate that once proud free nation almost the same as the dystopian nightmare of Communist China ?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/25/australian-powers-to-spy-on-cybercrime-suspects-given-green-light

“In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility – I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it – and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.” – John F. Kennedy

https://twitter.com/elizableu/status/1432509588193034242
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September 3, 2021 8:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  Australia’s descension into bio fascism rabbit hole is extremely worrying, and should be sounding alarm bells here.
  
  The root of this (besides a barely suppressed desire for humans to dominate other humans) is the existence of legitimate laws that permitted this fascism to flourish without challenge.
  
  Assuming this descension can be arrested, and we need to be desperate for that, there is an urgent need for a Royal Commission style review.
  
  The results of that MUST recommend legislative changes to put that protection of essential human rights of liberty and freedom beyond being trashed by a simple majority of representatives.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:46am
  - PhilBest
    
    In the court action being taken in NZ on the grounds of PCR fraud, the document filed with the court claims that the applicants have had their email sabotaged and have been impersonated. Damages for this is one of the things being sought.
    
    https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/21-07-10-d-Heterodoxies-v-NZG.pdf
    
    I am surprised that there is so little talk of this action (not surprised about the MSM, but about elsewhere)
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:50am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Morning krazykiwi,
    I came across this on rebel news this morning, cops thought the camera was off because he covered lens, but was still recording sound.
    Cal Glare a former Police commissioner has described the complete breakdown of law and justice and their separation from government.
    this is a great example of justice in Victoria today.
    https://rumble.com/vlz990-hidden-camera-covid-cops-busted-conspiring-to-lay-trumped-up-charges.html
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:22am
    - PhilBest
      
      Bless Rumble, Odysee, BitChute etc
      
      Surely if all Aussies knew about THIS…?
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/fAKbo9vmNcoB/
      
      “Australian Police pepper spray, arrest, 12 year old girls”
      
      YouTube, Google, Facebook etc have all censored it.
      
      If people will look at this and approve “because Covid” it is all over for their souls.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:54pm
krazykiwi

ABBA.

No words.
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September 3, 2021 8:21am
- PhilBest
  
  I was bemused to discover only recently, that there has been a Funk band in Sweden called EGBA, dating from the seventies – the name being obviously derivative. And the music being very non-ABBA….
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:53am
Tomtoddy

You will not read this in the MSM. The Government and Minister James Shaw have screwed up big time with the ETS. They have been seriously been out gunned by speculators, mostly big institutions who drove the carbon prices way above the limits Shaw set.

The idea was that companies seeking to offset their CO2 emissions could buy units from the Government. With the carbon price set by the Government to go much higher those with the readies dived in knowing what they paid $50 for today will be worth over $100 in a few months. That’s a great return.

However its coming out of our pockets and it shows how incredibly incompetent Shaw and his Labour mates are – beaten by a few people who saw an opportunity and ripped us off.
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September 3, 2021 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ah, the old Carbon-credit spin machine… been making money for the fast boys since Enron dreamed it up.
  
  http://www.innotap.com/2015/08/enron-environmentalism-the-carbon-credits-scam-pumps-millions-of-tonnes-more-greenhouse-gases-into-the-atmosphere/
  
  https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-enron-wants-global-warming
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:02am
  - krazykiwi
    
    A favourite quote from some time ago:
    
    When New York bankers and militant greenies agree on something you can be sure it will be bad for most of us. — krazykiwi
    
    (but I may have plagiarized just a little…)
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:48am
    - PhilBest
      
      The classic essay on this subject was “The Great American Bubble Machine” by Matt Taibbi. He describes numerous bubbles, and predicts a few more, including in carbon credit trading and carbon credit “derivatives” – of course!!!
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:55am
      - Jack5
        
        The classic work on bubbles is regarded by many as Charles Mackay’s 1841 book: Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.
        
        Mackay widens the phenomenon from the great Tulip Bubble, the South-Sea Bubble, and the Missiippi Scheme, to alchemists, the Crusades, and witch mania.
        
        It’s still a good read.
        
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        September 3, 2021 3:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The reality of lockdown for low income families

A single mum who had her hours reduced due to the COVID-19 lockdown is calling on the Prime Minister to come to low-decile suburbs and see the hardship for herself.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/covid-19-salvation-army-sees-84-percent-increase-for-emergency-food-parcels-in-first-week-of-lockdown.html
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September 3, 2021 8:27am
- Ruawai
  
  And I feel really sorry for business owners who have no income and still huge costs going out. It is luck of the draw some businesses eg supermarkets and farm supply stores, keep operating and have at least some income others eg cafes and hairdressers no income.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    I find the Media Pardy coverage of this financial disaster to be particularly shallow .They really only go on about cafes , restaurants and fast food places.
    
    The economy is so much bigger and broader ( and the folk in it) than a clip of a queue of gurning morons in a clapped out second hand jap import at a KYC or Maccas.
    
    but then this is why so few people really understand what’s going on . They fail to educate themselves in the face of a govt owned , dumbed down media .
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      It is the total absence of hard-luck stories in all this that demonstrates the media’s shameless partisanship. There will never have been a time with such an embarrassment of riches of hard-luck stories, but the media’s response is “hey listen to the crickets”. Bstards!
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    mrs kk and I were booked to go to a pre-paid Wellington on a Plate dinner the day after the lockdown. The local cafe/restaurant had spent weeks sourcing and preparing food. Spoke to the owner yesterday, most of the food went to waste. And they still need to run the event later in the year. I’m going to pay again. This young woman has worked so hard to establish this business only to have a callous, elitist, out-of-touch government stick the knife in.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:53am
    - crikey
      
      One of the biggest hypocrisies in this Covid times is Ardern’s “be kind” mantra. The depth of deception from the Ardern government is unfathomable!?
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:06am
    - Paulus
      
      Bet she voted for Robertson in Wellington Central in both recent elections.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But Grant Robertson thinks it is fine to give our taxpayers $$$ to special creative folks who NEED to make Documentaries on Tattooing in New Guinea during these Covid times.
      
      Hon Michael Woodhouse: How is an art documentary based on Papua New Guinea tattoo practice and revival COVID-related?
      
      Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: Well, it’s interesting that the member opposite would rather that the arts and creative sector in New Zealand withered away in the face of COVID. Providing support to our artists and our creatives to be able to get through COVID, when many of the opportunities they had to generate income were taken away by COVID-19, is an extremely responsible thing to do. It is quite clear the member and his party do not care for the artists and creatives in New Zealand; we do.
      
      Question #4
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20210901_20210901
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:45am
  - cmm
    
    Small business owners are the backbone of productivity. They must be stamped out to achieve a socialist paradise.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:08am
I remember when

Leaded Gasoline Eliminated Worldwide:
The UN Environmental Program announced that the last reserves were used up in Algeria last month.
Less than 20 years ago more than 100 countries were using it, many in sub-Saharan Africa.
Some good news to lighten the load.
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September 3, 2021 8:32am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  Except it isn’t true. Avgas is still leaded, for one. Regulators have been dragging their feet on approving unleaded alternatives for decades there.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:35am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep. Sure is. I put it in all my machinery to get a coat of Lead on Valves etc. Shelf life not the best though.
    Another note, Bring back Red Lead paint. Bloody good stuff compared to shite now.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:37am
- cmm
  
  Maybe it was only eliminaded.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:09am
- NoFax
  
  It is estimated that Thomas Midgley, Jr. the inventor of lead in petrol and CFCs has caused more deaths than any other person in history – that’s impressive!
  
  He later developed polio and invented a way for himself to be lifted out of bed using pulleys and ropes. One day he got entangled and he was killed by his own invention.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:29am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Ha ha, Google and wikipedia shows your story checks out.
    Almost a movie plot in there somewhere.
    
    I am not sure why such a person being hanged by his own invention seems so damned amusing to me, but it does.
    
    Just before the credits roll on the epic bio-pic, a trombone can play the classic sad/fail tune “Wah Wah Wah Waaaah” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukyMYp2noo
    
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    September 3, 2021 2:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It will be Aucklanders’ fault if they stay longer in Lockdown:

Lift test rates for Covid-19 or risk a longer stay in lockdown, Auckland has been warned by Ashley Bloomfield

Aucklanders must boost flagging testing rates for Covid-19 to avoid a prolonged stay at Alert Level 4, Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield says.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/growing-delta-hospitalisations-stark-reminder-of-covid-risk
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September 3, 2021 8:33am
- Peter Lane
  
  And the Herald trot out Baker for another doom filled prediction.
  
  Lockdown until Xmas if elimination strategy fails…
  
  This guy is on a par with Hendy. Consistently wrong and alarmist.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:07am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I don’t quite get Skegg sometimes either – on the one hand, the Govt is right, elimination is the only way and lockdowns are essential – on the other, ‘the people’ will get sick of lockdowns
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:20am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I’m sick of lockdowns
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:11am
      - Paulus
        
        More Lockdowns to come up to and possibly including Christmas.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:42am
    - Cinematic
      
      Skegg is having a bob each way. He’s only just still in the mix.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The ODT give the dire predictions of the physicist Baker. Some people think like a drain, only the one way out. Expertise or useless narrow-mindedness?
  (Caution other versions of this have a pic of Cinders substituted for Baker.)
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:20am
  - crikey
    
    Who is this ‘physicist’ Baker?
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:08am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He’s the guy giving crunching the epidemic numbers for Cinders.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Shaun Hendy is the Physicist
        
        Michael Baker is a medically trained Doctor
        https://www.otago.ac.nz/wellington/departments/publichealth/staff/otago024831.html
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:48am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Thanks Maggy. I’m trying to not to engrossed in this C-19 farce.
        Many medical people seem single minded too.
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:50pm
- Ehlana
  
  I don’t get this. If people aren’t feeling sick and haven’t been exposed, why would they go for tests?
  Especially given that going for tests involves exposure to potentially sick people – the thing we are all supposed to be avoiding right now.
  
  Who exactly does the doctor want to turn up?
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hoardes of folks catch the virus and are asymptomatic… they don’t know that they are carrying the virus.
    
    presumably Bloomfield and co want to find out if the virus is being “silently” transmitted through the population.
    
    This means that even two and half weeks into a very strict lockdown, people are still getting Covid-19 unexpectedly.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300398230/covid19-nz-1pm-review-the-target-that-continues-to-elude-ashley-bloomfield-and-will-keep-auckland-locked-down
    
    There’s at least 40 folks in Auckland who have caught the virus in this latest outbreak and the Health Dept can’t figure out where they caught it.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:57am
    - Cinematic
      
      And the chances of an asymptomatic person getting tested are near zero. Or zero if they’ve been through the test before which is most unpleasant.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:06am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff – Aucklanders must boost flagging testing rates for Covid-19 to avoid a prolonged stay at Alert Level 4, Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield says.
  
  The low number of 6700 swabs (Wednesday) supposedly gave the 49 cases announced yesterday, so shouldn’t Ashley Bloomfield take the time to better explain the variations and their implications between fluctuating test numbers and their relationship to cases?
  
  A few minutes explaining this by Bloomfield could be more useful than as many minutes of Ardern’s 1 pm political waffle!
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coming to NZ soon? This commie has an antifa flag and Mao Zedong in his classroom.
https://rumble.com/vlwubr-project-veritas-exposes-antifa-indoctrination-in-the-classroom.html?
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September 3, 2021 8:37am
I remember when

Has anybody seen Air NZ?
They seem to have disappeared.
Is it a dastardly plot by the Greens to bring ‘climate change’ under control. Perhaps to prevent their MPs breaking the rules and flying to Parliament.
Is it just ‘plane’ conspiracy.
Business decision.
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September 3, 2021 8:38am
I remember when

TV3: News at eight.
“Jacinda’s actions in not revealing Auckland MIQ escapee at large defended.”
And there he is – Grant Robertson.
The lead item.
Why not just admit – “THERE IS NO NEWS.”
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September 3, 2021 8:42am
- PhilBest
  
  Maybe he didn’t go indoors anywhere and didn’t go anywhere near anyone? I smell a lot of rats. Chances of death of Covid increase if the infected person is deprived of fresh air and sunshine. If I was a bad-faith official wanting to maximise the death toll I would order all infected people to self isolate in a small room with no windows or doors open “to protect others”. Better still, lock them in such a room in a “quarantine centre”.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:02am
Mrs_Right

The PM nowhere to be seen this morning to front the media about the man who escaped MIQ.
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September 3, 2021 8:42am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Of course not. Her brand can’t be associated with bad news, so she sends the likes of Robertson out with a bucket of soapy water and a mop, to clean up the mess.
  
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  September 3, 2021 8:56am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    She speaks too much, doesn’t speak enough.
    
    Make up your mind!
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:00am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s what she says, or doesn’t, that matters Muttonbird. Yesterday’s presser was all about Northland dropping to L3, and a wad of our cash given to Maori and Pasifika health providers. A negative message wouldn’t have fitted the bill, even though you’d think a Covid-positive adsconder in the community would be an issue of some public interest and concern. After all, this bloke’s “exploits” could see Auckland stay in L4 for longer.
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:07am
      - Paulus
        
        Thought it was only to Pacifica – Maori were not included – they will do their own deal very shortly.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:45am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Nope; there was a $26m boost for Whanau Ora providers.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:08am
    - Ruawai
      
      Muttonbird both are true. She speaks/spins too much about some things and not enough about other details that are more important.
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:09am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Have you been banned from “The Standard”?
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:23am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Not currently banned as far as I’m aware.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:41am
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s about quality, not quantity.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s Friday..
  The Poor PM has had to work Tues , Wed and Thursday this week….
  Give her a break.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:04am
  - Ruawai
    
    JA said on Monday it was pointless having live parliament just so they could question her, she said she is only in question time Tuesday and Wednesday and only questioned for about 15 minutes of that. But due to lockdown she can’t travel on Thursday so has to appear and do an extra hour (15mins) of work. It is like she finds question time and democracy just an inconvenience in her dictatorship.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:11am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      It’s funny how she thinks it’s unsafe for parliament to resume and she prefers the ‘digital’ option for question time.
      
      Yet, she has no issues with getting on that podium in person each day to front all the reporters in a fairly small space.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:14am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        you spelled hypocritical wrong
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Tending to small children is a lot of work. She’s got Cabinet as well.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:22am
    - Ehlana
      
      Don’t you mean she’s got Neve as well?
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:05am
      - hullkiwi
        
        No, she has got the hanger on, who is not allowed to go fishing under Lvl 3.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:20am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  To be fair, she has had to endure 3 question times in three days with very limited backing of believers behind her.
  It is almost as bad as flogging a dead horse.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    Ah yes but she’s got the duck running cover for her.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:20am
    - Paulus
      
      In the UK there is a an old coaching pub called “The Swan Revived” near Newport Pagnell.
      Always known, like Mallard, as” The Buggered Duck”.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:47am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Cindy would be hoping and praying that Trev doesn’t get the dreaded WuFlu or even worse Laryngitis.
      “A condition resulting in inflammation of the voice box (larynx) due to overuse or infection by virus.”
      He could be on the reserves bench for weeks.
      Oh the inhumanity, those mongrols, opposition benches like attack dogs with no controlling influence.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I would have said:
    re asking Ardern questions, is more like brain surgery on a chocolate mouse.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:23am
SJ Actual

Seems like there is a reasonable chance that NZ will remain at a minimum of L2 for the rest of the year.

If this is the case, will the government be upfront about it so that people planning events, conferences, weddings etc have certainty, or will it be a continually one week at time approach even though the decision has already been made?
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September 3, 2021 8:42am
- Ruawai
  
  South Island should be at level 1 now.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:13am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Level 0. Then commit to never do this again. It is net detrimental to human welfare. The evidence in support of this assertion is now overwhelming.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:55am
RW Capitalist

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
Just 2 words…..
OH DEAR!!
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September 3, 2021 8:48am
- Frank the tank
  
  Looks like Batty’s mates might hold the Governorship of California although mid terms ATM are looking like a bloodbath
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:31am
  - PhilBest
    
    Tucker Carlson:
    
    “…maybe it’s for the same reason they would like hundreds of thousands of Afghans to flood into swing states. It gives them the power to change the rules of our democracy so they don’t lose another election. Considering what’s happening right now in California’s recall election, which is about two weeks from today.
    
    In February, the state legislature in California passed a law requiring that all registered voters get a mail-in ballot even if they didn’t ask for a mail-in ballot. Why would you do that? Well, COVID, of course. “The pandemic has not gone away,” said one California assemblyman.
    
    Now, here we are in September, and, of course, they’re telling us the pandemic is still not going away. And that is convenient for them and specifically for Gavin Newsom, who knows that mail-in ballots, which by definition lack any form of voter ID, cannot be verified, those kinds of ballots overwhelmingly benefit his party because they abet voter fraud…
    
    “…this isn’t about public health, this is about elections. If it was about public health, they’d be telling you to lose weight, but they’re not.
    
    This is about elections. But whatever you do, don’t notice that, don’t ask questions about the thousands of Afghans they haven’t vetted.
    
    “I can absolutely assure you that no one is coming into the United States of America who’s not been through a thorough screening and background check process.” That’s what Joe Biden’s press secretary said just today. But it’s a lie. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of unidentified illegal aliens streaming across the southern border every month. Who are these people? We don’t know. We can’t know.
    
    In a functioning democracy, this wouldn’t work, voters wouldn’t put up with it, even partisan Democrats would say, “come on now you have to have a border, it’s a country.”
    
    So when you start behaving this way, so outside the bounds of normal behavior so far from what the population actually wants, clearly you don’t plan to be held accountable at the election. You plan to change the way the election works. And that’s exactly what they’re doing. Sorry, it’s true.”
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-democrats-only-care-about-maintaining-power-afghanistan-proves-it
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:07am
- Don Beckett
  
  Too bad – so sad – Never mind.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:40am
kowtow

Unbelievable.

Emmerson , Ferald cartoonist having a go at Collins again.

Have they no shame .
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September 3, 2021 8:49am
- BeaB
  
  Sir David Low will be spinning in his grave. He knew his role as a cartoonist was to hold the powerful to account, prick their balloons and satirise the big issues of the day.
  It’s great that Labour has so many supporters among our cartoonists who clearly believe the government is above criticism, perfect and sacred.
  Some of us, however, would love to see our media doing the job they are meant to do – shining a light on our democracy , not just being mean to Judith.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:04am
  - Joe Kerr
    
    The media got their bribe money from Comrade Jacinda, so they will keep producing the desired propaganda. Nothing dodgy about that at all.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:44am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Low was on Hitler’s hit list if they had invaded the UK
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:08am
    - oldfella
      
      And Low of course was a Kiwi: “Sir David Alexander Cecil Low was a New Zealand political cartoonist and caricaturist who lived and worked in the United Kingdom for many years. Low was a self-taught cartoonist.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Low_(cartoonist)
      
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      September 3, 2021 12:02pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sir Gordon Minhinnik will be spinning in his grave also regarding the sad state of the Horrid.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:23am
- Paulus
  
  No shame, as it is similar to yesterday where they got enormous support fr0m within the proletariat so he/she thought to use some of it again for effect.
  Scum as usual !
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:50am
  - oldfella
    
    Hull, thank goodness for Garrick Tremain.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117920163/samoa-cartoon-labelled-extremely-appalling-by-race-relations-commissioner
    Although he was taken down by cancel culture, he’s still the funniest cartoonist in NZ at the moment.
    https://garricktremain.nz/
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:11pm
Critical Thinker

COVID-19 lockdowns caused more deaths instead of reducing them, study finds

Those who pushed ‘shelter in place’ policies share the blame, but everyone feels the consequences.

The pathologies of the lockdowns are clear and have been both predicted and recorded. They include increased risk of preventable deaths from cancer, heart disease, etc., as well as psychological trauma, resulting in increased homicides, accidents and suicidal ideations, caused by long periods of isolation.

The simple fact is that COVID-19 was and is a highly infectious respiratory disease to which everyone is eventually going be exposed either naturally or through vaccines. The disease tends to kill older people and those with pre-existing respiratory challenges or who are obese.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/30/covid-19-lockdowns-caused-more-deaths-instead-of-r/

To those that still insist on these idiotic lockdowns, please wake up from your mass psychosis and reconsider.

How did we let this happen? ?
https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1433054600475693061
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September 3, 2021 8:53am
- JibberJabber
  
  Thomas Sowell
  
  True zealots say that “if it saves just one human life,” any measure for the sake of safety is worth whatever it costs. But what if its costs can include other human lives?
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:10am
  - PhilBest
    
    And “the economy” is not just some abstract thing that Ayn Randists want to take priority over “lives”. The economy IS “lives” in the future, including everyone from infants upwards. Your one life “saved” from Covid was on average going to die anyway. Just “not calling it Covid” doesn’t even mean the life was saved!
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just when you thought there was no hope:
  https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/09/02/ivermectin-in-africa-blocks-covid/
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:24am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL the feckless ones here have been told its an agricultural drug and so the Sheeple have been trained Ivermectin bad.
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:33am
    - Batman
      
      The human variety doesn’t work either. The animal version will likely poison you if taken in high enough doses.
      
      https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1433538531457069069?s=19
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:44am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Tell that to India & Japan. They have been using it for months now, and it reduces the impact of Covid if it is administered immediately the problems appear.
        
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        September 3, 2021 9:46am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Correct Don.
        Prophylaxis: Low to moderate efficacy
        Early stage illness: High efficacy
        Mid stage illness: Low-to-moderate efficacy
        Late stage illness: Low-to-zero efficacy
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:02am
      - PhilBest
        
        Batman personifies the upside down moral world of the progressive groupthinkers. Letting people die of Covid is great if it advances “the cause”.
        
        No co-ordinated conspiracy is necessary. These people are all on a kind of autopilot. Exploiting a crisis is embedded in their operating system.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:12am
      - crikey
        
        The difference between a drug and a poison is always a matter of dose.
        
        It sounds like you think people are going to swallow Ivermectin by the bucket load – maybe there are idiots who would but it should only be available on prescription which of course would have a prescribed dose.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:14am
      - SilverSurfer
        
        No ones forcing it down your throat Battie but by the amount of verbal diarrhoea you issue forth I think a good dose of ivermectin might be in order!
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:24am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, you obviously know better than the Japanese medical advisers Batman. Japan has approved Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid.
        
        They must be stupid, or subject to conspiracies, or Trumpies or something eh ?
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:51am
      - alloytoo
        
        “Prophylaxis: Low to moderate efficacy
        Early stage illness: High efficacy”
        
        So even if you do get it, you are fully prepared for it?
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:53am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        @krazykiwi ivermectin is most effective with prophylaxis, getting less effective the later you start on it (which detractors and Big Pharma influenced trials have used as a means for trying to ‘prove’ it isn’t effective):
        https://ivmmeta.com/
        
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        September 3, 2021 12:50pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        UrbanNeocolonialist, thanks. yes I’m aware of this site. It has been my go-to for this stuff. More recently I’ve started reading published papers directly and while there are generally aligned with ivmeta there are some variations
        
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        September 3, 2021 2:11pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        In high enough dose, water will kill you, it’s called drowning.
        
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        September 3, 2021 7:33pm
      - Batman
        
        Yes this is a well known phenomenon. Eating 20 bags of oranges will also kill you, most likely.
        
        Meanwhile, your absurdist argument doesn’t hold water.
        
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        September 3, 2021 8:01pm
- freemark
  
  Not sure if this has been posted here. It should be read over, & over. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/masked-ball-cowardice
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:01am
  - Ruahine
    
    Thanks for Posting freemark.
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That is a well researched and referenced essay.
    
    Should be mandatory reading for anyone locked in their homes asking “Why?”
    
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    September 3, 2021 2:15pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I have just re-read this. It is brilliant, if a little alarming given how easily the entire Western political complex has becoming infected.
      
      The few of us who get this are not fighting ‘a virus’. We’re fighting to arrest a implosion of democratic principles on which modern civil societies are based.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:38pm
Clownworld

If we were not locked down and the propaganda stopped how would we know we are in a pandemic?
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September 3, 2021 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  That’s another reason they insisted on the masks.
  
  masque; a short allegorical dramatic entertainment of the 16th and 17th centuries performed by masked actors.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    masks are de-humanising compliance muzzles. Non-wearers are visibly identifiable as dangerous radicals
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:05am
    - kevn
      
      @kk… One of the few pleasures is noting mask wearers behind the wheel and even on road works.
      Like an real life IQ test.
      
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      September 3, 2021 10:24am
      - kowtow
        
        I saw a lone motorist yesterday masked up ,youngish but he was also wearing a baseball cap with a hoodie pulled up over it .
        
        What the actual , protecting himself from the virus while cutting out peripheral vision while in charge of a motor vehicle.
        
        And these people get to vote and decide who rules the rest of us.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:39am
- Ruawai
  
  ..and if we count the number of flu cases, flu cases in hospital/ICU and flu deaths people would also be afraid to leave their homes. If we locked everyone with the flu in MIQ the flu could be prevented for a season leading to less deaths.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:15am
  - PhilBest
    
    Don’t give them ideas!!!
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:13am
  - Cinematic
    
    Until the next season. When you’d get a substantial spike.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:50am
- MCos
  
  You wouldn’t be able to get into a hospital.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:23am
  - Cinematic
    
    Maybe but NZers are an adaptable bunch. We’d find a way to care for as many as possible. Deaths would increase temporarily and society would continue to function quite happily. It’s not the end of the world MCos.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Quite a few folks aren’t getting into hospital during this lockdown (and in the coming months)
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/300397919/covid19-minister-confident-aucklands-dhbs-can-tackle-mounting-surgery-backlog
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:05am
    - Cinematic
      
      The bullshit this administration spews. Why on earth would this minister be confident, based on performance of the last 4 years, that the backlog will be cleared? Either an utter moron or just plain lying.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:10am
    - Ruahine
      
      I think Andrew Little has been misreported. What he really means is that if HE needed to have to go to hospital there would not be a problem.
      
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      September 3, 2021 11:34am
I remember when

Apeel:
Food waste is estimated to be a $2.6 trillion issue, with 25% of fruit and vegetables lost globally.
Apeel has engineered an edible coating, made from plant materials, that can make produce last 2 to 3X longer.
The work has been deemed appealing enough for Oprah Winfrey, Katie Perry and the Singaporean government to be among its many funders.
Let’s just presume it was Oprah and Katie’s financial advisors.
However, it certainly is more promising than handwringing.
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September 3, 2021 9:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  if you seal fresh foods like fruit and vege in plastic wrapping and irradiate to kill bacteria it lasts 3-5x longer, extending availability of reasonably priced fresh produce through more of the year. No downsides to doing this, and only impediment is feelz before facts anti-science nutjobs.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:30am
  - I remember when
    
    You sure that’s the sort of thing Oprah and Katie support.
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:58pm
ABS4EVA

Maths Problem for you

Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666

Hint: a Knowledge of Greek Arabic and Geometry is required. After that it is obvious.
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September 3, 2021 9:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  silly beliefs in numerology from ancient (ie ignorant believers in magic etc) cultures. There is some question about whether the number is 666 or 616 (ancient documents differ) . And of course many think it was a reference to the name of Nero.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:36am
Critical Thinker

Greatest Business Model Ever:

1.) Persuade governments to lockdown their people over a bad flu.
2.) Use the emergency to secure billions in government funding.
3.) Use the emergency to drive massive demand for your product.
4.) Hold everyone for ransom over the product.
5.) Threaten people who don’t get it.
6.) Kick them out of society.
7.) When it doesn’t work how originally announced, blame the people who didn’t get it.
8.) Also blame the people who did get it & make them take another one.
9.) Make sure you have zero liability for side effects, injury or deaths.
10.) Make tens of billions in profit from the “free” product the government bought.
11.) Watch as government bribe, threaten, offer million dollar raffles, and fast food giveaways for “health”.
12.) Watch as nearly every politician in both party sells your product.
13.) Call anyone who doesn’t want your product a “conspiracy theorist”.
14.) Sit in silence as people experience side-effects from the experimental injections.
15.) Keep treating everyone who opted out of your product like shit until more people cave.
16.) Watch as schools and universities coerce the young to get the product or they can’t attend.
17.) Mentally, financially & psychologically abuse everyone who doesn’t want your product despite how little scientific sense it makes.
18.) You’ve created over a billion lifelong customers. Should you stop? No! It’s not enough!
19.) The possibilities are limitless? Shut down restaurants again! QR codes! Travel Mandates! This is just the beginning!
20.) Ignore the science on vaccinated still being able to get sick. Test the unvaccinated only! Abuse them! Treat them like shit!
21.) Maybe it’s time to start treating the jabbed like shit too! Maybe that will get them in line for the booster! Do they even really have a choice?
22.) How’s Israel doing? Majority double jabbed. Over two million triple jabbed. More cases than ever! This proves it’s working! See! But get a booster now or you can’t get your passport!
23.) Bring in pills that need to be taken every day, alongside your regular injections, or else be classed as an unvaccinated Untermensch.
24.) Rinse & repeat forever.
25.) “You will own nothing, and you will be happy.”

Best business model ever!

So happy for these ethical moguls. The owners of the BlackRock-Vanguard Group are truly making an outright killing out of all of this. With them currently holding at least 16 trillion dollars in global assets, and now all set to increase their global reach and profits exponentially in the coming years, as many nations they now effectively control set to the task of their Build Back Better Great Reset ?
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September 3, 2021 9:24am
- Batman
  
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  You need to stop believing stuff on YouTube, it’s bad for your health.
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:49am
  - Don Beckett
    
    So are you living proof of it?
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:51am
  - crikey
    
    I don’t believe Stuff wherever they are.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:16am
  - PhilBest
    
    Gaslighting is now the primary tactic of the Left. No longer do we have debates about the merits of a policy proposal. The Left will maintain “you are a stupid right wing conspiracy theorist” right up to enacting the conspiracy theory in Parliament, and pivot from policing the “conspiracy theorists” to policing the targets OF the conspiracy which was real all along.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:17am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Says the person he honestly believed Biden would be a better President than Trump.
    
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    September 3, 2021 10:44am
Bobba Fret

This is pretty depressing in the NZH…..is Christmas already cancelled?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-prof-michael-bakers-grim-predictions-if-elimination-doesnt-work/7FHBHHZOODVLOPXT3WRCG4NKVU/
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September 3, 2021 9:27am
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, that’s the threat. They’ll keep us in lockdown for ever if necessary. And they mean it.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:11am
I remember when

When the Beehive theatrette layout was revealed in a ‘pan out’ on TV, I noticed all present were correctly spaced.
However, the seating is not suitable for pandemic style separation, being fixed and with limited space between rows.
Surely, in a pandemic, with limited media present, individual chairs could be arranged.
Do they have an authority present to ensure media arrive and depart without breeching ‘safe distancing’ rules.
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September 3, 2021 9:30am
I remember when

If Sweden was a ‘lip gel’ –
would it be losing brand recognition.
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September 3, 2021 9:35am
Batman

The scientific fraud of ivermectin, laid bare by conservative publication Quillette.

Several articles here, which trace the real-time collapse of the evidence base for ivermectin.

Unsurprising given it was a bit of a house of cards to begin with, as was the hydroxy phase.

https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1433538531457069069?s=19
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September 3, 2021 9:37am
- Critical Thinker
  
  NZ Covid Plan B: Ivermectin Now a Proven Covid Treatment
  
  A WHO-commissioned meta-analysis of Ivermectin shows that using this generic medicine in hospitals leads to a 83% reduction in covid mortality (95% CI 65%-92%). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAh7GtvcOs
  
  The WHO is understood to be waiting for the results this month from three trials before issuing a recommendation.
  
  The position of NZ’s Ministry of Health cautioning against using Ivermectin has not changed since April 2020, despite a consistent growth in studies showing effectiveness.
  
  On the basis of the studies to date, Covid Plan B urges the Ministry of Health to immediately delete its nine-month old caution against using Ivermectin to treat Covid19. A new formal position can be release following advice from the WHO.
  
  Internationally, front line doctors have been frustrated and even abused by authorities and politicians in their efforts trying to make people aware of the effectiveness of Ivermectin. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Kory-2020-12-08.pdf
  
  Covid Plan B contrasts the MOH warning against studies that emerged in favour of Ivermectin, with its decision to buy respirators at the start of the pandemic without clear evidence of their effectiveness. It now appears that respirators harmed some Covid19 patients.
  
  Panic from politicians and policy makers has driven over-reactions and bad decisions. Acting without evidence has caused more harm than good.
  
  https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/our-posts/ivermectin-now-a-proven-covid-treatment/
  
  Database of all ivermectin COVID-19 studies. 113 studies, 73 peer reviewed, 63 with results comparing treatment and control groups.
  
  Shows 72% improvement for early treatment ??
  
  https://c19ivermectin.com/
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:46am
  - Batman
    
    Thanks for providing proof that the plan B folks are useless at determining what is bullshit from the internet.
    
    They are not being taken seriously for a reason, they’ve all got Facebook Boomer disease, a tendency to believe what they read online despite having taught their children not to!
    
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    September 3, 2021 9:51am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      It speaks volumes when the government and corrupt media ignore these real experts, whom having NOTHING to gain from their honesty.
      
      Founding members of the NZ Covid Plan B group are:
      
      – Dr Simon Thornley – Senior lecturer of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, The University of Auckland
      – Dr Grant Schofield – Professor of Public Health, AUT, Auckland
      – Dr Gerhard Sundborn – Senior lecturer of Population and Pacific Health, University of Auckland.
      – Dr Grant Morris – Associate Professor of Law, Victoria University of Wellington.
      – Dr Ananish Chaudhuri- Professor of Experimental Economics, University of Auckland and Visiting Professor of Public Policy and Decision Making, Harvard University, Massachusetts, USA
      – Dr Michael Jackson – Postdoctoral researcher; expertise in biostatistics and biodiscovery, University of Wellington
      
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      September 3, 2021 9:58am
      - Cinematic
        
        On average I’m guessing they’re smarter than Batman.
        
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        September 3, 2021 10:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        On average, the “inhabitants” of the nearest pasture are smarter than Batman.
        
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        September 3, 2021 11:56am
- JibberJabber
  
  https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1433439164817723393
  
  It’s absolutely amazing. There’s no peer-reviewed studies showing ivermectin is effective against COVID, but it’s used as a treatment for numerous diseases in *humans*, yet journalists keep pretending it’s only for horses out of either ignorance or dishonesty.
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  Why is basically the entire media lying about what Ivermectin is and calling it a horse drug?
  Put another way, the reason people don’t trust corporate journalists and turn instead to what they claim are unreliable sources is because those journalists have proven that they don’t deserve trust or confidence:
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  Calling ivermectin a “horse drug” because of your shareoin addiction-induced desire to dunk on Joe Rogan is exactly why people end up taking medical advice from people like Joe Rogan.
  
  https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/
  
  The emotional bank account.
  
  “Our media has bankrupted the population’s trust. And like a family member that has betrayed us one to many times, we will politely ignore them going forward.”
  
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  September 3, 2021 9:59am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree about the name calling. This piece from Newshub is a doozy and is almost a parody of the current media situation. The biggest crime in NZ is wrong think and it is the only crime in which the media will out your name . A single anti govt youtuber said media, politicians and bureaucrats should be tried for treason, we should have a court and gallows at the other end because the penalty for treason is death. She has been charged. Ok. Stupid thing to say but sounds hyperbolic and not at all a real threat. .But the headline calls it a “chilling threat” and that “an expert warns risk of antivaccination terrorism.”
    The article manages to link the headline term antivaccination with terrorism groups in poland, extreme right, q anon, neo-nazis, Action Zealandia, white genocide conspiracy theories, sterilising and depopulating the world, paedophiles, freemasons, communists, and that they could become physically dangerous. Newshub is ridiculous and dangerous and an embarrassment. We have no information in our newspapers – we have name calling and propaganda – it is shameful. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/new-zealand-protestor-karen-brewer-s-chilling-threat-as-expert-warns-risk-of-anti-vaccination-terrorism-is-real.html
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:56pm
- kevn
  
  @bat… You need to un-twit from twitter.
  Criticizing KB YouTube viewers seems a bit own goal.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Jeremy Clarkson explains twitter: https://youtu.be/LHmOBL00LRE?t=3
    “twitter now is just an opportunity for very left wing people to express increasingly left wing views to other left wing people”
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:56pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yep CT. Ivermectin is the ‘Wonder Drug’
  
  In clinical trials, this orally administered drug reduced transmission of the virus and prevented deaths among those infected with it. Ivermectin quickened their recovery time too. These results are drawn from numerous studies conducted across the world.
  
  https://ivmstatus.com/
  
  It’s not only effective. Ivermectin was originally approved to fight parasitic infections in the 1970s. So it’s both safe and inexpensive.
  
  And it’s already being put to use against COVID-19. Ivermectin is approved in Bulgaria and Slovakia. It’s also reducing deaths in parts of India, Mexico, Peru, and Bolivia among other nations.
  
  Pharmaceutical companies like Merck have downplayed Ivermectin’s potential. They, along with Pfizer, are developing their own COVID pills.
  
  We have reached the point where institutions are shutting down evidence-informed conversations about how to address rapidly evolving medical emergencies. This censorship isn’t fitting of a democracy, and it should outrage those who claim to support science.
  
  Governments can resort to vaccine mandates or passports or even reinstate lockdowns. These, though, are deeply divisive measures that will require great resources and come with economic and social consequences. Given this, why are we not giving doctors and patients access to a drug that has the documented ability to treat and stop COVID-19?
  
  https://insidesources.com/the-political-pill-for-covid/
  
  ALSO this from The American Journal of Therapeutics
  
  Conclusions:
  Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
  
  Keywords: ivermectin, prophylaxis, treatment, COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2
  
  Ivermectin ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
  
  (BTW The fact the FDA is attempting to portray Ivermectin as an animal remedy only is ridiculous. 4.5 billion doses have been administered to humans since the 1970s. The creator of the drug was awarded a Nobel for his work in 2015)
  
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  September 3, 2021 7:40pm
  - Batman
    
    People are taking animal ivermectin because they’re dumb as fuck Magatards. End of.
    
    Meanwhile, the actual science behind human prescription ivermectin is still hugely questionable, as my original post shows despite the dodgy links and hopium posts which followed.
    
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    September 3, 2021 7:59pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Wow you should settle down princess. Perhaps you could put the cap back on the bottle a bit earlier in the evening. You are starting to sound like Phil Quinn 😉
      
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      September 4, 2021 6:25am
Benedict Yu

“The National Party is urging the Government to overhaul the “broken” managed isolation system by ranking people seeking to return to New Zealand by how urgent their need is.”

What a stupid idea. This would require public servants to assess thousands of applicants and decide how deserving they are. How is that going to work?

Get people vaccinated and then open the borders to vaccinated people and people who have covid antibodies. You won’t need a stupid points system.
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September 3, 2021 9:38am
- Taieri
  
  Stupid idea indeed.
  
  Whether the borders will open in foreseeable future is a question no one can answer. Probably never, if the Professors of Clairvoyance from the University of Dystopia are to be believed.
  
  In the meantime…why not link the purchase of an airfare with the booking of a spot in the MIQ and let the airlines manage it?
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:36am
- cmm
  
  I agree 100%. Pretty much everyone will game the system claiming they are special.
  As soon as it is at the discretion of a public servant, various activisms come into play.
  
  The fundamental thing that is broken with MIQ is having MIQ in the first place.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:56am
Chuck Bird

It appears the woman left the baby to die. I that is the case should the woman be charged.

Family link found after DNA testing for baby found abandoned at Auckland recycling plant

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/family-link-found-after-dna-testing-for-baby-found-abandoned-at-auckland-recycling-plant/EGE3A5XMBSMPZJQVLRPAFAZGK4/
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September 3, 2021 9:41am
- thirteenstars
  
  I think you’ll find our new abortion laws allow women and their doctors to do this legally just in a slightly different way.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:21am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What about the baby’s father?
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  Her body, her baby, her choice the (new) feminists may say…except maybe the C19 vaccine which sometime she will be ‘obliged’ to take.
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:50pm
Happychappy

Main Freight Manager blindsided by new Auckland border crossing rules requiring those crossing the border to be tested regularly.
So Main Freight Managing Director Don Braid says it doesn’t sound like a workable planned there was no consultation on it. Whilst it will delay freight getting to where it needs to be I have no sympathy for Don Braid or Main Freight they were happy to play Political games with their support for a Labour Government whilst publishing another political party and had no qualms letting the public so you decided to put all your eggs in one basket and really you only have yourself to blame.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/mainfreight-manager-blindsided-new-auckland-border-crossing-rules
Many Businesses have had to suffer the consequences of the lockdown in different ways and haven’t had preferential treatment like you expected wear it like everyone else has to.
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September 3, 2021 9:52am
freemark

When they say “follow the peer reviewed science”
The most extensive, well-developed, peer reviewed, constantly updated science, considering far more mortal & infectious viruses than Covid-19, were the pandemic plans from every developed country, WHO, etc, etc etc.
They DID NOT recommend lock-downs, nor many of the lunatic measures we are subject to.
What we have is junk-science, based on panic, and on what is increasingly looking like some very sinister actions taking advantage of the big panic.
I’m more likely to die from beating my head against a brick wall than this scary global disease. Or the lockdown measures will drive me to commit something against my self or someone else!
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September 3, 2021 9:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Tale of two lab rats:
  https://www.globalresearch.ca/deregulation-injections-manufactured-covid-crisis/5754648
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:47am
- Taieri
  
  What we have is junk-science, based on panic, and on what is increasingly looking like some very sinister actions taking advantage of the big panic.
  ——————–
  
  Meanwhile, the REAL science is going to be significantly enriched at the Waikato University, which introduced a new degree: Bachelor of Climate Change.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:51am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

I’ve always known Capt. James Hewitt was Prince Harry’s dad. Both his appearance and continued refusal to undergo a DNA test are proof positive.
But what I didn’t know, (and only found out last night from HeatherDPA on her Drive Show)…..was that Cuban Dictator Fidel Castro is Justin Trudeau’s father! WOW.

I spent a few hours earlier on checking this out for myself – and here we go. The true story of actual events is as interesting as it is salacious.

https://medium.com/@leibowitt/of-course-fidel-castro-is-justin-trudeaus-dad-nobody-has-debunked-anything-4db6fc8a9042
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September 3, 2021 10:17am
- PhilBest
  
  Curiously, the song “Fidel’s Fantasy” by the funk group “War” back in 1971, mocks Castro in the lyrics over a past love in his life. This song should be better known, it is almost an anthem for the anti-communist Latino community, which is where some members of the group come from.
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:22am
- Nickc2
  
  Didn’t Mick Jagger and Justin Trudeau’s Mother also practice making little Trudeaus as well?
  
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  September 3, 2021 10:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Nick, she handed it around by all accounts and was a screw loose to boot.
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Like mother, like son eh.
      Throw Castro in the mix and no wonder Cindy thinks he walks on water.
      
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      September 3, 2021 2:47pm
- Fletch
  
  Except that Harry looks exactly like a young Charles…
  
  https://www.eonline.com/news/987288/prince-charles-looks-just-like-prince-harry-in-vintage-photos
  
  And so does a young Prince Philip –
  
  https://www.instagram.com/p/BpK9n6KhzDB/
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  ok, a confession: I usually avoid salacious gossip like that … but my piqued curiosity just got the better of me. They document quite a strong case for Justin being Castro’s love child.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:58am
- Ed Snack
  
  Oh yes, and who is Chelsea Clinton’s real father…?
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Baalzebub? She’s being set up for a US senatorial run in the future too.
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    Ed, Chelsea is Hillary and Bill’s definitely; poor kid.
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:37pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Unfortunately, that has been debunked by no other than Hewitt himself who claims when he met Diana, Harry was at least 2 years old.
  Harry has more resemblance to his uncle Earl Spencer than to his dad imo.
  Of course, none of that keeps the conspiracy alive or sells newspapers.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the good Captain had a healthy head of hair. Harry is losing his mop. I always wondered though where the Windsors got their baldness from considering George 5th and 6th had hair.
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:43pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/126258179/division-in-the-ranks-federated-farmers-calls-groundswell-protest-organisers-crazy

Haha, this is hilarious.
Here we have the farmers Union national president crawling up to the Labour Party Minister of Agriculture and disparaging the Groundswell protestors as “crazies”.
“ Sorry, sir, sorry sir (tugs forelock), won’t happen again sir. We’ll do exactly what you say. Please don’t cancel us Damien – we believe in you and the Labour Party’s progressive demands for regulating farming.”

I went to the protest here and saw at least five past and present Fed Farmers provincial presidents there – and many other paid up members.
One was even wearing a FFNZ branded tie. I will expect him to be receiving a stern word from Mr Hoggard about that.
Why are these membership based organisations so in awe of this Labour Party and too anxious to question or challenge them?
The Party must be appeased – and I guess, like many before him, Mr Hoggard will be looking to the time when he is not a president but might get a nice position on a board or to a government appointed council of some sort……
Am thinking of changing my name here to Gravelroad Crazy.
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September 3, 2021 10:21am
- cmm
  
  They’ve seen what was done to oil and gas. It is a shot across the bow of farmers.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:01am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Just look at how many corporates and professional services firms have gone woke Aoteoroa in the past 3 years!
    
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    September 3, 2021 11:33am
    - Inandout
      
      hul, and a major real estate company which talks of ‘wakas’ and being ‘kind’.
      
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      September 3, 2021 12:59pm
- chukar
  
  Absolutely GR,
  The Wellingtonisation of representation for primary industries has rendered them ineffective.
  The tsunami of new regulation is destroying this industry.
  All that is left is for land managers and farmers is to say no.
  Better a quick death than death by a thousand cuts.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Grav, Jacinda put paid to any further farmer protests. Very clever our princess.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:58pm
kevn

@Gravel… Is this hoggard an actual ‘farmer’?
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September 3, 2021 10:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Kevn –
  Mr Hoggard is a dairy farmer in the Manawatu district.
  Hope he’s liking the predictable anti farming rhetoric in the comments in that story.
  I’m guessing that he has caved to pressure from Labour to toe the Party line.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:22pm
thirteenstars

Rebel News report from Melbourne showing cops conspiring to lay false charges against a Youtuber in order to make it easier to prosecute him in the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiiJyfpuEsg

There’s no law the police won’t enforce. And there’s no law they won’t bend or misrepresent to get their way. The amorality that modern police work requires is staggering. At some point the police become just another gang; a gang with the law as their weapon and shield.
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September 3, 2021 10:39am
ABS4EVA

It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

AND THE Winner is……
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September 3, 2021 10:52am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGHaQVDA1xk

If China Controlled the Antarctic, Here’s What Could Happen.

If China controlled the Antarctic, it could be bad news for the rest of the world. Alex Gray, a senior fellow in National Security Affairs at the American Foreign Policy Council, talks about what could happen if the U.S. and the rest of the world don’t keep an eye on what China’s doing down there. Alex Gray also warns about what could happen if the U.S. allows its technical capabilities, like shipbuilding, to get rusty. [10:38]
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September 3, 2021 11:11am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ycgw8j35l64/

Up to 60% want Kabul Joe Impeached.

It is over! That’s the assessment of more and more pundits who believe Biden is done! You can stick a fork in him; he’s over! In this video, we’re going to take a look at the devasting, literally catastrophic polling that’s come out over the last few days, how the calls for resignations grow not just for Biden but for his entire cabinet, and stick with me to the very end of this video, when I’ll reveal why more and more pundits believe that the upcoming midterms are turning into an absolute nightmare for the Democrats. [11:11]
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September 3, 2021 11:12am
- Ed Snack
  
  They won’t invoke the 25th, they can’t make it stick as Joe’s handlers can simply assert (through him) that he is OK. Until he gets into a permanent horizontal stage that is.
  
  And without Kamala as a tie break vote in the Senate, the Dem’s would be reliant on GOP turncoats to appoint a new VP.
  
  Like it or it, Biden will stick around unless completely incapacitated regardless of his mental acuity. I still give reasonable odds that he won’t make it past year end on physical/mental grounds.
  
  However likely scenario now, a “medical” retirement/resignation before the mid terms with a pre worked out deal with Pierre Delecto to appoint a new VP. After the mid terms it seems at least likely that both houses will fall to the GOP, so they would not want that as it would make any VP selection problematic.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:06pm
  - marcw
    
    You ruin a well constructed post ES by using a ridiculous, little known ‘insider’ meme. Why don’t you just say Mitt Romney?
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:37pm
  - curry4me
    
    Ed Snack: Yes, The scenario you outline is highly plausible.
    
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    September 3, 2021 7:33pm
AJL

Okay, so this is perhaps a werid question but:

Auckland is under Level 4 lockdown

We have A bunch of Kiwis trapped in Aussie, and we have limited MIQ capacity:
Can we just let everyone come back while we are at level 4 anyway- would that work? If we think level 4 is enough to suppress things, could we use it to bring people back?

What do people think? Would that work?
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September 3, 2021 11:12am
- cmm
  
  That is a very good point.
  
  People sitting locked up at home are, essentially doing MIQ themselves. Therefore the risk of potentially bringing others in should be low (if we assume that everyone remains locked down for 2 weeks).
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:12pm
Critical Thinker

“Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries.

Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.” – Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society, 1951

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihaB8AFOhZo
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September 3, 2021 11:14am
- cmm
  
  The idea of scientific societies is what gave us Political Science, Social Science and communism – that messy human processes can be made scientific and put on a scientific basis. Poppycock!
  
  Fake sciences (Social Science and Political Science) have been created to make this seem plausible.
  
  Science should be a tool to humanity. Not a god. Not a blueprint for social interactions.
  
  We use a hammer and sickle as tools. We should not construct society around them.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:10pm
cmm

When the “experts” tell us we could be locked down at Christmas, I think we’re being played. They’re over egging it so that what we get looks better.

More likely would be being locked down until early December, then we get a huge spin about how:

Cindy Saves Christmas!

Not only did she save 80,000 grannies, but she also saved Christmas for all the boys, girls and alphabet soup of the land.

How awesome is that?
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September 3, 2021 11:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We’ll be like the folks in Northland yesterday afternoon who were so happy and pleased with their release…and the prospects of coffee and takeaways ..that they didn’t wonder why they’d been locked down anyway.
  
  Can’t wait to see how the South Island will carry out its Jubilation ceremonies when they are cut loose.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Did MIQ delay getting medication (Pamol) to a sick child?

In subsequent posts to her Facebook, the woman explained that her children had waited hours for their lunch that day and earlier in their stay, it had taken a day for staff to provide Pamol for her sick child.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/covid-19-family-transferred-to-new-quarantine-facility-after-mum-s-angry-meltdown-at-miq-staff.html

If this mother’s story is true… delayed medications, delayed food delivery, who would want to now present themselves for a Covid test?
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September 3, 2021 11:22am
- Muttonbird
  
  Most people will realise MIQ isn’t like a normal stay in a hotel. There are Covid-19 related safety protocols all over the place. This person doesn’t seem to understand anything beyond her own nose.
  
  It’s not normal for someone to get that angry that quickly and to post it all on Facebook. Most Kiwis will sympathise with the MIQ workers who put themselves in harms way from Covid and now from aggressive isolators.
  
  I note all those workers are now isolating because of her actions and one refuses to return because they feel unsafe.
  
  I find it peculiar you would use this incident to beat the government with because almost no-one but you is on her side.
  
  Politicking makes for strange bedfellows indeed.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:56am
  - SilverSurfer
    
    Downtick for you muttonbird for no other reason than I tried muttonbird once and found it pungent and foul.
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not a normal stay in a hotel?
    
    For goodness sake.. you do not withhold pamol from sick kiddies or food from hungry kiddies in a civilised country.
    
    You do not ignore the concerns of an upset mother looking after sick children unless you are FUCKING ignorant or a sadist.
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:52pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Undesirable ones, sometimes.
    
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    September 3, 2021 12:56pm
- Ehlana
  
  What I find odd is that there doesn’t seem to be a picture posted by her of the offending pizza – the one that supposedly justified her behaviour. Why post your response, but not the source?
  
  She claims it had already been eaten – what does that mean? Is it just the toppings being in disarray after transport? Were there slices with bites taken out of them?
  
  She seems to be suggesting in her follow up video today that they are being treated differently from other guests – does she have any evidence of this?
  
  She is actually making quite serious allegations. If they’re true, apologies are due to her and her children and possibly disciplinary action against the people responsible. If they’re not true, the staff have been maligned – they are real people too – without cause or redress. Which is it?
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:43pm
Tony Stuart

Has there ever been a worse Minister in New Zealand’s political history than Poto Williams? Interviewed by John McDonald on Newstalk ZB this morning, she is asked if the officers who arrested the Covid absconder yesterday had been vaccinated. That’s a reasonable question, given so many Police remain unvaccinated.

Poto’s reply? She suggests McDonald put in an OIA request to find out! What a complete and utter cop-out (unintentional pun!). As a Cabinet Minister Williams earns $236,806 per annum, plus perks; supposedly she’s ranked #10 in Cabinet!

I know the talent pool in Labour is shallow, and the bar for Ministers is pretty low. But Poto Williams is proving again and again to be an absolute liability, promoted way beyond her capability.

Audio here: https://twitter.com/dahmenaaron/status/1433565222036332544
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September 3, 2021 11:26am
- kevn
  
  @TonyS… Even boss cop didn’t know.
  ‘Maybe’ they could ask the 2 arresting cops?
  Have you or not?
  Of course it might be deemed a human rights issue… wouldn’t surprise me.
  
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  September 3, 2021 11:55am
- cmm
  
  Williams is not the Minister for Police. She’s the Minister against Police.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:01pm
- Bob
  
  Poto does NOT earn $236806, she is paid that sum by naive electors, just for attending Parliament.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:02pm
Tauhei Notts

It is sad to read about the death of Mikis Theodorakis.
I had enjoyed dancing to his music in a village just 7 km from Albania, on the slopes of Grammos.
His opposition to the dreadful Papadopoulos junta of 1967-74 was inspiring.
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September 3, 2021 11:32am
I remember when

Lockdown:
Does lockdown work for the bigger picture but suffer at household level.
Does it work for Pacifica families where there are often larger numbers in a dwelling – especially when housing supply is short.
Is being locked in a house with a covid case the same as a ‘covid’ party.
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September 3, 2021 11:46am
hullkiwi

From the book of did anyone in the government not see this one coming?

First for the token slap down there is:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-funding-for-gang-run-meth-treatment-programme-cleared/ar-AAO0LRo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

So, the parliamentary patsy has given the handover of money to the Mob the ok.

But, but…..(and i know it is a different chapter of the Mob from Harry’s Hawkes Bay Mob), but this morning Newshub are reporting:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/nearly-700k-to-be-forfeited-to-crown-following-wellington-mongrel-mob-inquiry.html

Such a misnderstood group of people……

What will jacinda tell us now?
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September 3, 2021 11:48am
cmm

Oh look: Cindy’s government is getting tough on the Mob. Skinned them of $700k!

Small print: This is about an arrest in March 2017.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nearly-700k-forfeited-to-the-crown-following-mongrel-mob-methamphetamine-probe/MP32HGDIQVTUM3NGFFRU4XDO2Y/
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September 3, 2021 11:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Wellington Mob need to get themselves a decent PR girl.
  
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  September 3, 2021 12:15pm
Stu2

More students have flown out of Auckland

Contrast the performance of Avsec with the Police cordons north and south of Auckland. The Minister of Transport should be getting grilled
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September 3, 2021 12:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  How can anyone be flying out of Auckland? I thought Auckland was in lockdown level 4 – you know, the most extreme lockdown when you only leave home for food, medicine and exercise.
  
  Because if there is a level 4 option that includes flying, can the rest of us please know about it?
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:09pm
  - marcw
    
    Yes Ehlana, it’s not like AvSec are busy ATM. Why can’t they be on the door checking the “Essential” bona fides of these absconders as they enter to check in?
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:18pm
  - Stu2
    
    You need an exemption. Essential workers may get one, and politicans certainly do
    
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    September 3, 2021 1:21pm
kiwibird

“A Wanaka environmental campaigner is gearing up to fight a billionaire’s plan to build a luxury lodge on the shores of Lake Wanaka.”
We could have started to overlook the fact that Peter Theil got into NZ spuriously if he had invested in badly needed housing projects for NZers… but no, its an over the top hideaway for himself, staining yet another wilderness spot of NZ.
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September 3, 2021 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Where do Wanaka environmental campaigners live ?
  
  I’m guessing in a house in the town or thereabouts.
  
  Towns and houses are also blots on the landscape .( if you want to be a purist)
  
  A bit like the so called greenies who live in cities who point the finger at farmers for “dirtying” rivers , as if their own poo don’t and their rubbish don’t end up on beaches and river ways etc
  
  Nimby hypocrites .
  
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  September 3, 2021 3:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Now it is to be called Warnukar or kiwi: Warniker.
  
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  September 3, 2021 4:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dear Leftist-Marxist Labour,
I know you are lying. You know that I know that you are lying. I know that you know that I know you are lying. And yet you still lie. Quite Perplexing.
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September 3, 2021 1:08pm
- cmm
  
  Because very few people care. They are willfully ignorant.
  
  They’d rather go with the flow and be lied to than choose their own path and be responsible for their own outcomes.
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:54pm
  - SilverSurfer
    
    Yep agreed, Baaaaa???
    
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    September 3, 2021 3:10pm
- Bob
  
  Steve O…quite perplexing;
  Not really Steve, the Duo of the Politburo know that their ideological colleagues, over the past 40 years, have dumbed down the education of children to the extent that the vast majority of them no longer know how to think rationally and analyse what they are being told.
  Laziness has set in and the majority just accept at face value what they hear, particularly when it is presented in a convincing manner by the media.
  
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  September 3, 2021 2:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You get an uptick, but Labour rely on idiots being lazy, that is why the lazy vote for Labour. Lazy who thrive on promised ‘FREE’ stuff. Nothing is free.
    Lazyness has set in – why? The fucking welfare state to buy votes.
    Think about that when you vote Bob
    
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    September 3, 2021 3:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Simple isn’t it Bob? you overthought this by 10 miles sonny
      
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      September 3, 2021 3:43pm
kevn

@SteveO… and the plebs love it. Especially the 1pm Pulpit of Truth (not) featuring the duo.
Odd.
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September 3, 2021 1:19pm
ChristineY

David, could Kiwiblog have a General Debate COVID for covid discussion and a General Debate OTHER TOPICS for everything else please?
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September 3, 2021 1:30pm
Wired-one

Covid-19 testing numbers have collapsed in the past week, is this the reason why case numbers are dropping also? I think so.
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September 3, 2021 1:32pm
- MCos
  
  Either that or people who couldn’t possibly have been contacts of those infected have stopped getting themselves tested.
  
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  September 3, 2021 4:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our leading epidemiologists are stating publicly that vaccination will not be as effective as once hoped…

Even high levels of vaccination may not be as effective as hoped against the Delta variant, as seen in Iceland and Israel.

https://sciblogs.co.nz/public-health-expert/2021/09/03/an-upgraded-alert-level-2-is-urgently-needed-to-address-the-delta-variant-threat/

Be prepared for long lockdowns for the forseeable future ( 2-5 years)
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September 3, 2021 1:43pm
- Stu2
  
  This is going to come down to not how well vaccines prevent infection, but whether high vaccination levels and opening up don’t break the hospital system
  
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  September 3, 2021 1:49pm
  - Wired-one
    
    And what has this government done in the last 18 months since the outbreak to strengthen our hospitals? Zilch. I’m not accepting years of lockdowns, stuff them.
    
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    September 3, 2021 3:01pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Perhaps the system is already broken through following Pfizer or such quality protocols. Medical attendants like to work to lists–they are really quite dogmatic.
    That doesn’t give them room to question if some thing is working or not.
    
    When the WHO, even with Bill Gates’s shares in it, backtracks on a major test should that be ignored by our amateur controllers?
    Perhaps freedom and wise health practices are useful.
    Is wrecking a society and its sustenance worth more than exercise of prudence.
    
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    September 3, 2021 4:10pm
- surfing
  
  From the same link…
  
  “High vaccination uptake will significantly reduce infections, hospitalisations, and deaths [1], but population-level immunity will be limited by the lower efficacy of current vaccines against infection and transmission of the Delta variant. ”
  
  Delta is just the start, variants emerge…long term we will take annual booster to cover common variants. Population level immunity will fluctuate.
  
  Importantly, deaths and serious illness will be at acceptable levels for us to open up the country.
  
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  September 3, 2021 3:07pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They can’t afford it. Another 6 months is far too long. I sense the breakdown already around me.
  
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  September 3, 2021 4:12pm
  - Stu2
    
    If they do manage to get extra vaccines to boost supply this month, then the bookings (2 million booked) suggest we could keep doing 90,000+ a day for some time.
    
    The six week wait for the second shot might need to reduced, as that is where the bulk of the action is (600,000 first shots booked, 1.4m second shots booked)
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
    
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    September 3, 2021 4:32pm
JibberJabber

?
https://babylonbee.com/news/joe-rogan-bounces-back-from-covid-to-win-kentucky-derby

CHURCHILL DOWNS, KY—After making quick work of COVID thanks to wonder drug Ivermectin, Joe Rogan shocked the sporting world when he ran onto the track of the Kentucky Derby and outpaced every horse to win the competition by half a length.
“I don’t know what came over me,” snorted Rogan as he took a victory lap. “First I gave COVID the hind-kick, then I just got this overwhelming urge to head for the fields of Kentucky.
Sadly, Rogan was stripped of his Derby championship after testing positive for DMT, THC, LSD, PCP, but notably was negative for worms.
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September 3, 2021 1:48pm
Happychappy

Does Grant Robertson really take the public to be idiots or is just showing his arrogance when comes to thinking the public wouldn’t dear Question his utter bullshit when saying Jacinda Ardern was letting the police do their job before informing everyone else on the isolation suspects escape from the quarantine facility.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-grant-robertson-and-caroline-mcelnay-front-update-following-covid-escapee-fiasco/Q55EYIBDPOM3WX5FJNE4O4N36A/
Again this Government shows how out of there depth they are running the quarantine system and also showed that they wouldn’t and couldn’t run a piss up at a brewery if they had the chance.
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September 3, 2021 1:49pm
- Stu2
  
  Beat me to it, the spin was ridiculous
  
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  September 3, 2021 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

Our Russian cleaning lady has only just pulled out the gate….thank God!
Cough cough cough the entire bloody time.
Didn’t arrive last week, reckoned she wasn’t feeling well.
Anyway, txt me last night to see if it was OK to come today.
Been coming every week for more than a decade.
Think she needs the money to be honest.
Must say she did look dreadful.
I told her to just do the upstairs bathrooms and tiles ….. that would be it for the day.
Paid her a full 8 hours anyway.
Some of the girls from tennis reckon it’s hard to get reliable home-help these days. Most of those that apply are Orientals apparently.
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September 3, 2021 2:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So Mags, being young and fit enough to play tennis what do you do with yourself while this poor woman is slaving away?
  
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  September 3, 2021 3:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Last we heard Capt’n, it was perineum sunning.
    
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    September 3, 2021 3:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hospital must have liked mine – prostate biopsy
      
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      September 3, 2021 3:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She annoys people on Kiwiblog LOL LOL LOL!
    You took the bait Captain, hook, line, sinker, and most of her arm!
    
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    September 3, 2021 3:47pm
Happychappy

It Looks like Jacinda will have to put more money into mental health after the attack in a Countdown Supermarket in Lynnmall Auckland today.
It should not have happened but has someone snapped because of the lockdown.
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September 3, 2021 3:38pm
- [email protected]
  
  She has called him a terrorist that the government has been closely monitoring for many years. Shot dead within 60 seconds? That is very difficult to believe.
  
  The police must have been tailing him for years!
  
  Could the lock down have caused him to snap?
  
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  September 3, 2021 6:08pm
Nookin

This silly bint is an Aussie citizen. She is the one who wants mass executions at sports stadia (see second link). If our Minister of immigration has nothing else to do (and he certainly seems to be doing nothing), perhaps he might put in train the process for returning her to Australia.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/two-anti-lockdown-leaders-karen-brewer-monica-smit-arrested-as-protests-held-across-australia-and-new-zealand

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/new-zealand-protestor-karen-brewer-s-chilling-threat-as-expert-warns-risk-of-anti-vaccination-terrorism-is-real.html
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September 3, 2021 4:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Seems a DOS shit thing happening today – or is it just me?
Find out.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/repubs-say-nancy-pelosi-blocked-names-of-13-killed-u-s-servicemen-from-being-read-on-house-floor/?
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September 3, 2021 5:17pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, this will merely cause more Dem tanking in the polls.
  
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  September 3, 2021 6:24pm
riffer

Excellent. Now we can afford that next drug rehabilitation problem in Welly.

https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/nearly-700k-be-forfeited-crown-following-wellington-mongrel-mob-inquiry
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