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Captain Mainwaring

At last a judge makes a sensible decision. I hope we’ve turned the corner.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126334548/judge-dismisses-oranga-tamarikis-bid-to-remove-mori-girl-from-pkeh-couple
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September 10, 2021 8:00am
- rouppe
  
  Look at that link.
  
  “mori”… “pkeh”…
  
  Lazy? Intentional?
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:02am
  - MarkF
    
    Or possibly no “macrons” allowed in a URL.
    
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    September 10, 2021 8:54am
    - SJ Actual
      
      imededed racism…
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:43am
    - Crisplion
      
      Yes, that’s obviously it. Weird that they’d rather leave letters out entirely than simply omit macrons.
      
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      September 10, 2021 1:01pm
      - alphabeatrium
        
        Neh, it’d just be a little bit of code that looks for non-Ascii characters in article titles and strips them out when creating an article URL slug. So things like an é in café would be caught too, or if a journo ever decided to include an emoji in a headline (it’ll happen).
        
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        September 10, 2021 2:30pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Watch for it to get appealed and then overturned at the High Court/Supreme Court. The Wokeborg won’t allow this to stand.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:06am
  - Bluegrass
    
    You can only appeal on a point of law – not fact.
    
    Once upon a time…
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:50am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It would appear the operating system of the “Wokeborg” is set to put polling above ideology. After all, it’s no good spinning your wheels in opposition(or worse), no matter how ideologically pure you are! If her true believers are perceived as starting to revolt against the racial BS, heads will be pulled in pronto!!!
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:33pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/126341067/oranga-tamariki-decision-to-be-appealed-by-birth-mother
    
    ““If the state was giving Pākehā children to Māori families there’d be a hell of a hue and cry about it,” he said.”
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:24pm
- igm
  
  Suppose this judge will now be cancelled . . . cannot upset maori, muslim, nor criminals in the Ardern-run gulag.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:08am
- Paulus
  
  With this decision this judge will not be there much longer.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:13am
  - sooty
    
    Wonder if they have a labour party card?
    If they did, I bet it was canceled!
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:09am
- Antoine
  
  Sanity prevails
  
  A.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:17am
- Tricati
  
  Two good decisions lately, this one and the Supreme court giving Colin Craig the arse card.
  Maybe even the woke judiciary are waking up.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:18am
  - Unity
    
    I had no idea Colin Craig was still going through his infantitile nonsense!!. He’s obviously a very poor loser. Great that he’s been given the ‘stop it’ card. I feel very sorry for his victim.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:56am
  - maggiemay
    
    To be fair – the High Court and the Appeal Court gave Colin Craig the same card.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:58am
  - marcw
    
    There is still time for the court to stuff up on this – the question of costs due to either party is still to be determined. One party a millionaire and vexatious, the other a wage earner. Guess which way it will go?
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:30am
- surfing
  
  “He pinned much of the agency’s failures on the decisions made by a junior social worker, whose unchecked views against the Smiths influenced the views of other staff who followed.”
  
  Sounds like this junior social worker could be a racist. You’d hope they’d be re-educated, but I imagine a promotion is more likely.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:18am
- Ruahine
  
  Oranga Tamariki will appeal. They have plenty of taxpayer money.
  They will appeal and a more ‘suitable’ Judge will be found to deliver the ‘correct’ decision.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:20am
- peterwn
  
  I suspect his Family Court warrant will be quietly revoked and he will be put on to general duties (There are specific District Court Judge warrants for specialised areas – family, environment, jury and perhaps a few others).
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:27am
- CJames
  
  There is one set of warning in the article from the judge’s comments, ““Until such time as Parliament gives statutory effect that the views of an iwi are the start and end points, the determination must be by reference to the holistic factors in the statutes, which include the taking into account of such important cultural perspectives as part of the matrix of considerations,” he said.”
  So will this be the next piece of legislation urgently rushed through the house and made retroactive?
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:28am
- Scott
  
  Unfortunately Captain I am less optimistic. The race-based ideology is more like a religion than anything else. It sort of replaces Christianity really. So for many of the government elite’s and public sector leaders it is seen as a given that Maori have been oppressed and we should do everything we can to correct that oppression.
  
  Therefore Maori children must be placed with Maori families regardless. This ideology overrules the best interest of the child.
  
  It’s not right but because it is an ideology and something of a worldview that replaces a religion, it is impervious to rational debate.
  
  One day we can only hope that New Zealand voters reject race-based ideology and return to the principles of the best interest of the child.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Where do we find the families with the correct ethnic mix? If the child is genetically 80% non-Maori should it be placed with a 40% Maori one just because they “identify” as Maori?
    
    Oranga Tamariki (Child Life) is not suited to place a pig in a sty. Time for social workers to be taken down a peg. They have not improved in child stealing over 40 years.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:14am
    - Nickc2
      
      Perhaps it’s their intention to flood the nation with think alike people (often referred to as culturally aligned). This IMO will increase the likelihood of a culture-driven voting block thus cementing a Maori-controlled Parliamentary oversight apparatus in perpetuity.
      Preventing non-Maori raising disaffected Maori offspring will no doubt enhance this pre-planned and orchestrated outcome.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    We can hope, but it is too late as usual.
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:06am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Just read this ‘piece’… must go for a walk by the lake to calm down lest I use a word banned on this blog.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/126341067/iwi-leader-disagrees-with-judges-call-to-leave-mori-girl-with-pkeh-caregivers
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:35pm
- Philview
  
  As we know this judge has had two senior judges trying to bully him into giving a different verdict. Well done Judge Peter Callinicos for standing your ground in the face of sinister political forces.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:01am
  - Tricati
    
    I believe the lawyer that defended Phillip Smith has laid a complaint with the law society over the attempted interference. Heard him on the radio saying he was reluctant due to ‘push back’, but felt is was required for judicial credibility. He felt the Attorney General should have pursued it but that wasn’t going to happen.
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:08am
- I remember when
  
  CW: The decision was one that looked at the longer term for the girl as well.
  Not a bowing to social media and then the child disappears into a ‘perfect world.’
  It doesn’t exist and most of the ‘supporters’ go AWOL immediately and have no further interest or involvement in the case.
  ‘Family conferences’ if the will was really there, would happen before the crisis reached the point of no return.
  The decision allows the mother some contact, involves her sibling so with goodwill should be able to work.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:13am
- Chris2
  
  Selective reporting by Stuff has excluded from this news item, the equally relevant story of the two senior Judges that unlawfully attempted to influence Judge Callinicos decision on the case.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:19am
  - Geoff1
    
    And no mention that Sir Wira Gardiner acting Chief Executive of Oranga Tamariki – Ministry for Children was also involved.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:20am
- ABS4EVA
  
  Cook me some eggs
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:25am
- blue collar
  
  My wife is a family lawyer and I can assure you this is one judge that knows his shit , and won’t take crap from anybody , the law is the law ….. cry me a river wokesters …. ps , he was very magnanimous to all parties , kept the child’s best interests at heart , and did what he could to assist in cultural impacts …. clone him 100 fold
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:01pm
covfefe

Does anyone know what has happened to Asian Invasive Cactus Kate blog??
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September 10, 2021 8:01am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I suspect it was taken down after her post on Dr Wiles which was less than flattering but who knows
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    About faced?
    Cactus won’t pull her prickles in.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:16am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “I suspect it was taken down”
    
    Activist groups or the govt itself threatening her with lawfare?
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:45pm
- kevn
  
  @cov… I was hoping she would post an update here on KB.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:03am
- JJ56
  
  Still going strong at Blogspot.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:22am
  - covfefe
    
    Do you have the link? Thanks.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:34am
    - EssenX
      
      This is the link, but it’s down: https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/&type=blog
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:18am
      - -D
        
        Definitely down.
        
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        September 10, 2021 4:05pm
Frank the tank

Random thoughts:

1). Can we re-name ‘hard and fast’ with ‘extreme and slow’?
2). Why are the feckless lauding 2.5 days worth of vaccine? You would have thought the Blairite solved world peace.
3). Anyone else noticed the plurality of wokeplod speed camera cars on Auckland motorways over the lockdown? Surely wokeplod aren’t using the lockdown as an excuse for getting their quota up?
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September 10, 2021 8:10am
- dcrane
  
  hard and early became hardly early
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:09am
- I remember when
  
  If the vaccination programme was a bank robber – they would have been arrested before they left home.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:31am
- Ruawai
  
  Penare said on TV3 this morning that they are closing some vaccine centres in high Maori areas for a day as staff are tired, possibly because of lack of vaccines they want them slowed down. Probably better to put other staff there than close as Maori rates are the lowest so better to close one in say Epsom and move staff to Manurewa.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:09am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Code for we have run out.
    
    I didn’t think there was a minister thicker than Davis but “Henny Penny” is dumber than a container of blunt hammers.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:04pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Frank: The Police are pinging drivers for anything and everything now as that particular slush fund is bare. So be warned NZ. When woke-plod pulls you over, they will be looking at you and going over your vehicle with a fine tooth comb to fine you for the smallest of issues. Do not go over any signed speed limit. That is the beginning of their analysis!
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:18am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, we had noticed the “Traffic Safety” vans strategically parked just before the viaduct on the southern approach to the Johnston’s Hill tunnel. And wondered, way the need?
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/author/amy-wiggins/
  
  Very time we appear to reach peak retard another one of the feckless breaks the world record.
  
  Yay……2.5 days of Kungflu jab arrives in the country. How the fuck this is news is beyond profound idiocy……
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:02pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2021/09/move-aside-justin-trudeau-kiwis-lust-for-dilf-spanish-pm-pedro-s-nchez-say-thirst-is-new-vaccine-side-effect.html
    
    And another world record of retard for the feckless.
    
    Take a bow (little) Aotearoan
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:31pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Aaaaaand we have a winner:
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300403455/new-zealand-notably-absent-from-worlds-best-cities-list
      
      Love,
      
      Our cities have become unaffordable locked down shit holes infested with temporary accommodation for gang members with no working transport system(s).
      
      “I’m sure many would agree that Aotearoa is a world-class place to be.”
      
      Sure love, sure.
      
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      September 10, 2021 2:29pm
Critical Thinker

Australia’s insane COVID rules are a warning to the rest of the Free World

Once an honourable member of the Free World, Australia has lurched into a bizarre and disturbing netherworld of bureaucratic oppression in the name of public health.

At the start of the pandemic, Australia determined to squeeze out COVID with lockdowns and travel restrictions and, as an island nation, had considerable success. But this created an unrealistic expectation that Australia could have COVID-zero as a goal for the duration and use targeted restrictions and surveillance (“circuit-breakers”) to maintain it.

As the pandemic has dragged on, this has become completely untenable and done violence to liberty and common sense in a great English-speaking nation. Lockdowns have cut a swath through the norms and conventions of an advanced Western democracy, from the suspension of a state-level parliament, to the banning of protests, to military enforcement of the COVID rules. With the Delta surge, more than half of Australians are locked down, often in response to a tiny number of cases.

Australia has proved, though, that dispensing with key elements of advanced liberal society in the hopes of total victory over the virus is foolhardy and wrong.
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September 10, 2021 8:13am
Frank the tank

Anyone else see the NSW Health Official use the term “New World Order”.

And no she didn’t reference Hulk Hogan and a bunch of other wrestlers in the early 90s……
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September 10, 2021 8:13am
- Ruawai
  
  Dan and Gladys seem to be at war with each other.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:11am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Is that the Dan that ran the Hotdog stand for underworld slain drug dealer Michael Marshall.
    I have been told the extras were mind blowing.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:21pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is this the program?
  https://www.globalresearch.ca/agenda-id2020-101-understanding-implications/5721260
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And this fuller one directed at Aus:
  https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/09/delingpole-creepy-australian-officials-start-using-new-world-order-as-a-talking-point/
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:20am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Not as creepy as this one… ??
    https://youtu.be/QqUtByobM_8
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:29pm
Frank the tank

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/joe-biden-to-impose-sweeping-new-vaccine-mandates-for-100-million-americans-20210910-p58qex.html

This ain’t going to go down well in middle America. Does Sleepy Joe want to be known as the most hated US president ever?
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September 10, 2021 8:15am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Back in December Joe “Dementia” Biden promised that he would not make Covid vaccines mandatory ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC_j2uhtsHk
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:01am
  - curry4me
    
    Critical thinker: Kabul Joe doesn’t remember the if he had and icecream cone yet. December is way too long to remember.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:57am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and every senior Dem said they wouldn’t trust any vaccine created under Trump.
    and now they wonder why there is hesitancy.
    Saw his speech, WOW, now they need to rewrite the catch cry from the revolution?
    “No taxation without representation”
    becomes
    “No vaccination without representation”
    Joe is forcing them, by creating a situation that makes it compulsory.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Go with his award for the stupidest with the unknown third first place with another face palm to complete his trifecta which hopefully, will make the democrats unelectable for about a hundred years.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:05am
- RiP NZ
  
  Frank – As night follows day they will try in on here to.
  A large employer I know pumps the narrative on the daily stand ups and invasive surveys.
  
  Critical thought has abandoned us – and vaccine so safe you need to be threatened to take it, a virus so deadly you need to be tested to know you have it, all the while the biggest fear shill, busting bubbles and meeting unmasked on the beach.
  
  RIP New Zealand indeed.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    Why is this a surprize? Covid is just running on the climate change playbook, just accelerated.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:24am
- dcrane
  
  Will be interesting to see where in the U.S. Constitution they believe the federal government gets this power – or if they even bother trying.
  
  Could be they’ll try using the “comply or lose access to federal funds” route.
  
  This will be in court immediately in the more libertarian states.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:12am
- redeye
  
  For the first time, more American adults disapprove of how Biden is handling his job. Nearly half the public (49%) disapproves of Biden’s job performance in the poll conducted September 4-7, while only 39% approve—a drop of six points in the last week.
  
  https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/09/08/more-americans-disapprove-joe-biden-poll
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:01am
- RiP NZ
  
  ‘The 25% of Tutsi’s are putting the vast majority of this country at risk’
  Hutu Radio, Rwanda.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  And boom!! The reaction has been stunning. Can’t wait for Ronny, Greg and the Trumpster to get involved in the pile-in.
  
  Oh and thank the God that Mitch Lannister didn’t confirm Merrick Garland to the SCOTUS. What a nasty piece of work he has turned out to be as AG.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:06pm
- virtualmark
  
  Or, alternatively, the 70% of Americans who are vaccinated will be glad to hear Biden today. They’re sick and tired of the unvaccinated spitting in the soup.
  
  And the 30% of Americans who aren’t vaccinated probably didn’t vote for him anyway.
  
  So politically it’s probably a win for Joe.
  
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  September 10, 2021 4:02pm
Andrew Worth

Last night on the news there was a bloke arguing that people in his ethnic community preferred to see doctors that looked like them.
I don’t get it, I’ve had doctors from various ethnicities (Tanzanian, Indian, Asian, even Scottish) and never considered their ethnicity relevant, indeed, if I had had a preference for doctors of my own ethnicity I would be labeling myself a racist.
But confusingly the racist preferences that the bloke on the news expressed has been greeted warmly and with support by the media and many others.
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September 10, 2021 8:17am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And try and say to anyone in the news that you’d like to see only immigrants of the “same ethnicity” come into the country…..
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:19am
- Scott
  
  Andrew – that’s all fine and good. I am a white man. What if I said on the news that I would prefer to see a doctor that looked like me? No one from Sri Lanka or Asia, I want a white doctor.
  
  There would be the opposite of warm greetings. That’s the trouble with this race-based ideology. White men are seen as the oppressors and coloured people are seen as the victims. All the facts must bend to this ideology.
  
  Which is wrong. We should treat all people the same regardless of race or ethnicity.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:24am
- Prince
  
  One white pakehas with European ancestry can be racist.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:31am
- kevn
  
  @Andrew… I am mostly interested in a doc who has passed the relevant exams under their own steam/skill, rather than being pushed/aided through the system.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:32am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It is virtuous for members of a “oppressed” group to demand that they be served by members of their group.
  It is racist for members of an “oppressor” group to do the same.
  
  It’s all about power.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:34am
  - alloytoo
    
    but when there’s a failure in their health care (and failures are inevitable in any health care system), who will they blame? or is it just another excuse to claim “Systemic” racism?
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:29am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      They (or their group leaders) will claim “systemic” racism.
      
      Leaders of “oppressed” and of “oppressor” groups both have a tendency to blame others. The further towards the collectivist end of the political spectrum they are, the more they will blame others and refuse to allow their in-group to be blamed for their misfortunes.
      
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      September 10, 2021 12:39pm
- kowtow
  
  In 1984 when the pigs come out walking on two legs , the other animals feel as if “the world had been turned on its head’ and just as they’re about to protest the dogs threaten them and they broke into the supportive chants .
  
  So prescient .
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:35am
  - Ruawai
    
    Think that is Animal Farm not 1984.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:15am
    - kowtow
      
      Of course it is .
      
      Mea maxima culpa.
      
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      September 10, 2021 11:31am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Of course the great irony is that anyone infected by the Wokeborg and a member of the corporate elite, tribal elite, Bureaucracy, Twatter universe can’t see the similarities between animal farm and progressive politics.
    
    They simply can’t see it.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:09pm
- GreenYarn
  
  I don’t think it’s racist at all. I expect it’s just feeling more comfortable with the type of people you’re used too.
  While I personally don’t care, I know a lot of women prefer to see female doctors. I don’t consider that sexist.
  I know a lot people prefer to marry or date people from their own ethnic group.
  I’d imagine that if you’re overseas in some foreign country and happen to be sick, you’d be delighted to find a Kiwi doctor even if the local doctor happened to speak English.
  We’d probably find that a lot of people who were born and raised in a multicultural environment like NZ are probably less likely to have a preference for a doctor that’s if their same ethnic group, than someone who was born and raised in a more homogenous environment even if they’re now living here.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:38am
  - Andrew Worth
    
    “I know a lot of women prefer to see female doctors.”
    
    Call me old fashioned but I still go with the theory that there are two distinct sexes, and that in many situations that difference is relevant to human interactions.
    
    “I know a lot people prefer to marry or date people from their own ethnic group.”
    
    I’d hope that when selecting a life partner who the person is as an individual would take precidence over everything but perhaps sexual compatibility. If their ethnicity is a major issue I’d call that racism.
    
    If the bloke I’m referring to had used the easy out and talked about “cultural issues” (as has been the case with the fight over the child mentioned in the post at the top of the comments) rather than describe the issue as a need for the doctor to have the right ethnic “look”, he would have sidestep drawing attention to the fact that the bias he’s referring to is one of race.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Andrew Worth-
  repeat after me:
  “Only white people are racist.”
  “Don’t trust white people.”
  “White doctors (except those with pink hair) are suspicious colonisers who won’t give you what you need/want/deserve.”
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:40am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  The issue is not whether you are treated by someone of your own ethnicity, it is never being able to be treated by someone of your own ethnicity.
  In short, the whole point of affirmative action schemes is to ensure that across the workforce there is some reasonable level of reflection of the nations ethnic makeup. Obviously not an exact mirror but at least a credible reflection.
  As some here will know, I pioneered the Maori and Pacific Students Admission Scheme in Commerce at Auckland University. When I joined the teaching staff in 1984, it was apparent that among the 900 annual student intake for the B Com there were almost no Maori or Pacific Students. The Admission Scheme was introduced to address this. Initially 25 students per year, later 40 students. Instead of an A Bursary, a B Bursary would suffice. Students were limited to 6 papers in year 1 and got additional tutorial support. Of course the exam standard was not changed.
  Anyway there are now thousands of graduates. It is no longer the case that it is Maori and Pacific on the factory floor and European in the office. The workforce is now vastly more diverse. Young Maori and Pacifica, including in poorer neighbourhoods, can see that it can be done.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:40am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    And since then we’ve had racist selection practices for medical school for the last 20 years, currently at 40% of places. Academic ability being deemed a secondary requirement as confirmed by the recent court challenge.
    
    Clearly you have a lot to be proud of.
    
    Incidentally, I worked in factories for nearly 50 years from the nightshift to multinational boardrooms. It was a lot more multicultural than you imply – because in the private sector it was merit selection in those days.
    
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    September 10, 2021 8:49am
  - Andrei
    
    And if you ever wondered why the National Party of New Zealand is not seen as a viable alternative to the current lot, there it is encapsulated in Wayne Mapp’s comment
    
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    September 10, 2021 8:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      To the best of my knowledge, Wayne Mapp is not an office-holder in the National Party. He’s certainly not a board member. Quite why his views should encapsulate the National Party in 2021 is beyond me.
      
      Diversity in candidate selection or in appointments is nice to have, but it’s not a prerequisite. At the recent Board election, a Niuean woman, Jannitta Pilisi was the second-highest polling candidate. She was not elected because she is a Pacific Islander; she was elected because she is an extremely competent professional woman, with an outstanding track record in governance and management.
      
      Whether it’s selecting candidates or electing Baord members, one thing matters, and that is competency.
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:40am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Well, the North Delegates selected me to be the National Party candidate in 1996, when university preference schemes were much more controversial. I know the fact that I was the primary mover of the scheme in the Commerce Faculty was well known to the delegates, and was a point of discussion.
        
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        September 10, 2021 9:47am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Should be North Shore delegates
        
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        September 10, 2021 9:55am
      - RockyJ
        
        Working with factory floor teams throughout Auckland I observed that there were many Maori and Pacifica supervisors who were top people in their jobs. When I discussed why they had never aimed higher in management often the reason was that they put limits on themselves. There was a lack of confidence to aim higher.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:22am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        When I was voting for National I was not aware of Wayne’s core beliefs on many subjects, nor the way he expressed them. I’m sure that was entirely deliberate because, for example, had I known, I would not have voted National, on the sound basis that there must be more like him.
        
        The appearance of the likes of Mueller, Luxon and others has simply confirmed to me that National is dominated by Wayne Mapp attitudes on a host of issues, even if he’s long gone from Parliament, and that those attitudes differ only marginally, if at all, from that of Labour.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:48pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Tom,
        
        You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.
        
        I didn’t hide them. I was always known to be on the liberal side of the caucus.
        
        All the delegates at the selection in 1996 would have known my views, including the fact I was the key promotor of the Maori and Pacific Admissions Scheme in the Commerce Faculty.
        
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        September 10, 2021 2:26pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.
        
        A quote for the ages.
        
        Right Tony, there’s your answer to what you posed when you said Quite why his views should encapsulate the National Party in 2021 is beyond me.
        
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        September 10, 2021 4:52pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    What so Maori/PIs shouldn’t get into trades or the ‘factory floor’ – how very chardonnay socialist of you Wayne.
    
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    September 10, 2021 8:53am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The fallacy here is you are disregarding the students who missed out because you gave their places to people who were less qualified. We will ever know who they are or what they would have achieved, but their futures were sabotaged by you violating their right not to be discriminated against based on race.
    
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    September 10, 2021 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      Just a wee bit of self promotion there!
      Can you you sing how great I are too?
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:16am
      - gravedodger
        
        @ Sooty, Mapp has never heard of “Oh Lord its hard to be Humble” the second line is very appropriate.
        
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        September 10, 2021 1:36pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “In short, the whole point of affirmative action schemes is to ensure that across the workforce there is some reasonable level of reflection of the nations ethnic makeup.”
    
    How is the desire for equality of outcome a good thing?
    
    Why the focus on ethnicity? How about “competence”?
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:04am
  - Scott
    
    I so don’t agree with that Wayne. You did change the standards. According to what you just said the admissions scheme was changed so that you would be considered with a B bursary instead of an A bursary. I would be interested in an analysis of what really went on at Auckland University and whether standards were changed during the courses? I don’t know but I am reluctant to take your word for it.
    
    It also means that people who got higher marks are probably missing out.
    It also means that when we see a Maori doctor can we be sure that they got through medical school on merit or was it because of a race-based admissions scheme?
    
    Lastly the whole analysis is wrong. Underneath these ideas is the notion that if Maori people are underrepresented in an organisation it must be because of discrimination and racism. That is wrong. It is a left-wing idea that should not be part of the mental toolbox of a conservative MP.
    
    What a National MP should be focused on is merit. That people who graduate from medical school should do so solely because of merit and no other factor. Not race, not sex, merit.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:12am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Agree. There is wide range of ability among the ethnic communities. There is also a wide range of personal mana which is often the major determinant of their opportunities. The higher the rank of the family the higher their abilities tend to be.
      The bursaries attempted to sort out preferred academics.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:29am
      - Taieri
        
        The higher the rank of the family the higher their abilities tend to be.
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        This broadly applies to any ethnicity. How does a family attain its high rank? Through genetic predisposition? Intelligence? Environment friendly to culture and education? Industriousness?
        
        Or through never ceasing bleating about discrimination?
        
        There’re countless examples of immigrants who arrived in NZ with nothing, yet in a relatively short time managed to achieve a lot.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:57am
  - Taieri
    
    In short, the whole point of affirmative action schemes is to ensure that across the workforce there is some reasonable level of reflection of the nations ethnic makeup.
    —————-
    
    What a nonsense!
    Haven’t heard of anyone yet demanding that taxi drivers, scaffolders, rubbish collectors, road resurfacing mob and such like also “reflect the nation’s ethnic makeup”. As for your Auckland University example…brains of young Maori, Pacific Islanders and so on are made up of the same stuff as anyone’s else: grey matter!
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:16am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      brains of young Maori, Pacific Islanders and so on are made up of the same stuff as anyone’s else: grey matter!
      
      Not so. There are distinct differences between the middle level attainments of the different ethnic groups. Their outliers are not comparable either.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:33am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        Not so. Differences in “Attainments” & “Outliers” is not proof of ethnic differences in brainpower.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Just in from Broken Britain.
      
      ‘Accounting giant KPMG has become one of the first large UK businesses to set a target for the number of employees from working class backgrounds.
      
      KPMG has defined working class as having parents with “routine and manual” jobs, such as drivers, cleaners and farm workers.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58485825
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:47am
    - Taieri
      
      Looks like I was wrong. Street sweepers in Melbourne must now be “non-male identifying” whatever that means:
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9964047/Melbourne-Darebin-Council-BANS-men-applying-63-000-year-street-sweeper-job.html
      
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      September 10, 2021 11:05am
  - kowtow
    
    If they were capable of B bursary then why not the A, by your own admission there were M and PI students who did get the A , just not enough of them to satisfy your particular position.
    
    And if 25 and then 40 , why not be brave and truly radical and admit 900 ?
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:18am
  - cmm
    
    Wayne I understand completely the positive reasons why you promote affirmative action. Unfortunately there are significant negative consequences.
    
    Have you seen how destructive affirmative action in South Africa and USA have been. Have you seen the outcomes of 27 years of South Africa’s BBEE policy is?
    
    South Africa is the AIDS capital of the world (or really high up anyway). Most of the AIDS patients are Black people. My sister is white nurse. She is fluent in two African languages. She has post graduate education in AIDS management. She can’t get a job in the system where she can use her training, so she’s a low level occupational nurse in a factory.
    
    At university, encouraging people to participate based on race (ignoring ability) has lead to people being encouraged to attend university and get out of their depth. WHen they get frustrated, it can’t be their fault, so they need to blame something. This has lead to the”decolonisation” of universities which is really just a race to the bottom.
    
    What you count as a success has actually started the academic slide in universities.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:47am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      cmm,
      New Zealand is not South Africa. Can anyone here really say that NZ has suffered as a consequence of these various university schemes, which have now been in place for about 40 years?
      In fact to the contrary, I personally think it has been a good thing that the workforces right across the board has become more diverse.
      Obviously I knew in making this post I would get the reaction that has occurred. But I think it is important that the reason why these schemes exist is explained, even on Kiwiblog!
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:54am
      - Frank the tank
        
        I did. Wanted to do Law – got a B+ average in first year at Auckland Uni; needed an A.
        
        Lot’s of people that performed worse than me got into law because of their gender, age, occupation (police) or race. This was the mid 90s – I’m sure its worse now.
        
        So, yes I suffered as a consequence. As a result when I voted in the North Shore electorate I never voted for you as I was aware of your pedigree.
        
        As for the South Africa/NZ comparison. I’d argue that we are demonstrating the same poor trends that are exacerbated in South Africa. Our time will come and history won’t judge your efforts in a positive manner.
        
        I’m not sure why you post here Wayne as you are more closely aligned with Presland, Prentice & co at the Standard. Are you actively trolling or acutely unaware that this is a right-learning blog?
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:14am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        “Can anyone here really say that NZ has suffered as a consequence of these various university schemes, which have now been in place for about 40 years”
        
        Every time you promote equality of outcome above equality of opportunity & advantage someone on racist selection for limited opportunity places you disadvantage someone else. You should also read Nigel Kearney’s & Scotts responses above which explain how wrong you are & were.
        
        “I personally think it has been a good thing that the workforces right across the board has become more diverse”. As I said in my comment above you were wrong about workplaces in the past & you’re wrong now. In recent decades I’ve seen the result’s of multinationals implementation of gender & racists selection above performance to meet equality of outcome quota’s demanded primarily by their Board & marketing departments. Disadvantage & excessive extra workloads for many good people who saw incompetence & poor performance covered up & rewarded by transfer/promotion.
        
        And that’s just the private sector, the central & local govt, academia public sectors illustrate dysfunction every day.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:47am
      - cmm
        
        Wayne, Of course NZ and South Africa are not the same but the underlying issue is very similar and have been made that way by government decisions.
        
        I note that you chose to miss the reference to USA too.
        
        I do not agree at all that diversity, just for the sake of diversity, is a Good Thing. Certainly not when it comes at the expense of merit and plugging the best into where they can do the most with their abilities and skills.
        
        I am in no way opposed to diversity. I want the best people enabled. That was a problem in apartheid-era South Africa where whites (Afrikaners in particular) were given a boost and many people of colour (Blacks, Indians and Coloureds) who could have done the job better were excluded.
        
        Why should doctors (or engineers or street sweepers or whatever) reflect the racial profile of the population?
        
        Much is made of the role model issue: only a Maori can be a role model for another Maori, a woman for a woman etc. This is racist/sexist nonsense.
        
        I, a white man, raised in a racist apartheid society, consider coloured boy and a Maori bus driver amongst my greatest role models.
        
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        September 10, 2021 11:18am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Frank the Tank, you got a B+? Then you weren’t good enough. Cry me a river of tears. As for why Wayne Mapp is commenting here, I’m sure he has reasons. But he also can give his opinion, or list facts, if he so chooses. I’d have thought the challenge of ideas would have been exactly what you wanted. But seems that (1) you are just like the typical leftist, want differing ideas|opinions shut down (maybe the Standard will give you some tips?) and (2) the B+ was well deserved.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:09pm
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        In Vino Veritas. Read Franks comment again: “Lot’s of people that performed worse than me got into law because of their gender, age, occupation (police) or race. “
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:25pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        kiwikidz, I most certainly read what Frank wrote. If he’d got an A, he would have made it. Tough luck.
        
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        September 10, 2021 2:20pm
  - Ehlana
    
    The problem with such schemes, of course, is that they are ambulances at the bottom of the cliff – a few lucky students not otherwise qualified get an opportunity (and hopefully the support to take advantage of it).
    
    But the real problem isn’t at University level. It’s before birth, when there are not two parents in a stable loving relationship who have decided they want, and can care for, another child. It’s in the health of the mother in pregnancy, the family environment and culture the child is born and raised in, the opportunities that are not there, or not taken. It’s these many, some subtle, some not, factors that combine to determine whether a teenager is willing and able to undertake University level study.
    The real challenge is to change those circumstances, so that the proportion of Maori or Pacific Island students admissible to these courses naturally reflects their proportion in the population.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:59am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Wayne, I for one think that what you did was honorable and needed. I assume that the lower entry level has now gone? I do know there are some issues around Med School and entry. And in that, I have to disagree that the criteria should be lowered on a race basis. Only the very best should be able to get in, and then, get through. Med is life or death.
    Further on Uni, the issue now is that Universities are providing (and collecting money) for courses that give kids not a hell of a lot, and certainly, no security for the future.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:01am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Another Labourlite then.
      
      It’s clear from your previous posts reading isn’t your forte.
      
      Enjoy the decent into Zimbabwe-style living based off policies that you are supporting.
      
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      September 10, 2021 2:35pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Lol Frank, you appear to not know shit from clay. And reading not my forte? Wasn’t me that only managed a B+ when you needed an A. Don’t go making your problem everyone else’s. Can I say, the B+ has clearly haunted you for a good while, suggest you let it go. Your life will be better for it. Unlike Wayne, I am happy to mix it with intellectual pygmies like you.
        
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        September 10, 2021 8:09pm
  - Sacha
    
    “Instead of an A Bursary, a B Bursary would suffice. Students were limited to 6 papers in year 1 and got additional tutorial support. Of course the exam standard was not changed.”
    Oh, come on Wayne, just read what you wrote there –
    – a B Bursary
    – limited to 6 papers (/year?)
    – additional tutorial support
    Of course the exam standards weren’t changed.
    The whole purpose of tertiary education is to provide a top tier of people with advanced knowledge in their subject. It has been mongrelised by those who feel that EVERYONE should be in the in the top drawer, & have a ‘degree’ .
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Wayne, I began reading for my BCom in 1979. At this time, there was pressure on the University as to how many students could be admitted (if I recall the limit was 500). This was because the faculty had limited resources in terms of staff & facilities to teach. There was no dedicated Faculty building, the departments were scattered along Alfred Strert, and lectures were scattered in lecture theatres around the University.
    You are correct, there weren’t many Maori or Polynesian contemporaries, I remember 1 Maori (who I knew, because I knew his father), he failed year 1.
    
    As for the assessment, when I enrolled, a BCom was 20 papers, a fulltime student read 7 in year 1 & 6 in each of the successive years. Assessment of many Commerce faculty papers changed in 1980, because of pressure from the student body to remove “archaic” requirements such as terms and to increase the value of on course assessment as a proportion of the overall grade. Under pressure, the changes were made, but what the faculty found was the failure rate went up. There were 2 reasons for this:
    1. Those who failed terms previously, were now included in the pool of those who failed end of year assessment; and
    2. There was a level of gaming the system, based on how many marks had gained through the year, versus how much they had to do for then of year final. Many got the equation wrong.
    Remember, a person either knows the subject matter for which they are reading, or they don’t. Playing around with pass grades, to “pass” students who do not have an understanding of the subject matter is committing a fraud on two counts. Firstly the student, who you are telling has passed, when they knew less than 50% of the subject matter, and society at large, who you are expecting to accept a person presenting as a “graduate”, when they have not passed without “a rigging” of the assessment regime.
    
    As for the number Maori and Pacific Island students, studies such as accounting are blind to ethnicity. Either a person (irrespective of their ethnicity) wants to be an accountant or not. If they don’t enrol or they can’t “pass” the examination assessments for the degree, then they are not suitable for that degree course, and subsequent career course. This is irrespective of their ethnicity.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:11am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I think you have missed the point that the exam standards did not change. The students admitted under the programme still has to pass the exams in the same way as all other students.
      As a rule, the MOPAS students needed more tutorial support during the year and were limited in the numbers of papers, at least for the first year.
      The failure rate was somewhat higher than the general student body. As a general rule most students passed all their papers without any fails. The students in the scheme tended to fail a few on the way through. Not all, but more than the general body of students. It typically took a MOPAS student 7 or 8 semesters to pass all 21 papers of a B Com degree.
      
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      September 10, 2021 11:28am
      - cmm
        
        So you:
        * Redirected limited resources and taxpayer funds.
        * Set up a bunch of people to fail (since the failure rate was higher).
        * Kept a bunch of more competent people out of the workforce.
        
        And you’re proud of that!
        
        Remember that NZ is falling behind in skills. Policies like this are contributory.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:06pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Wayne, I didn’t miss your point. The reality was that erosion of the assessment regime had already occurred in 1980. This was because the student body saw the assessment regime of the Faculty as an anachronistic and “unfair” mechanism. The requirement “to pass” terms was removed, and on course work was made a greater proportion of the final assessment. The result was a higher level of failure than previous. Remembering, as you stated, that at the time the vast majority of us were Pakeha, and not Maori or Pacific Islanders (or for that matter of the Asian ethnicities).
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:11pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        cmm,
        
        Yes, I am proud of the scheme. I believe it has substantially improved the balance of the workforce. More importantly the scheme has (and still does) provide opportunity to people who, by and large, come from lower decile schools where doing well is fundamentally harder than in decile 9 and 10 or private schools.
        
        New Zealand is not falling behind because of these programmes. The failure you are referring to occurs in the school system, mostly in lower decile schools.
        
        As for the failure rate in these schemes, I think it is very important that the students have a very good prospect of getting through, otherwise the whole experience is too disillusioning. That is why the standard was no lower than a B Bursary, or the present day equivalent. Probably now NCEA 3 with an average of merit passes, with some excellences.
        
        Anyway the argument is moot. These schemes which are universal across all universities with limited entry programmes are part of our system and have been for the last 40 years.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:28pm
      - cmm
        
        Sorry Wayne, but you’re being disingenuous.
        
        While exam marking might not have changes, exam conditions certainly were, so the effective standards of the testing were reduced.
        
        If you’re doing less papers then the exams are easier because you have less going on and less to study for and less ideas/concepts buzzing around in your head.
        
        University, and examination, do not just filter by whether you can understand the issues/work, but also whether you can take the pace and still perform.
        
        Changing the number of papers is changing the standards required to pass.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:43pm
  - alloytoo
    
    http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Sowell-Affirmative-Action-Disaster-text.pdf
    
    And Sowell isn’t a fan of Diversity.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:37am
  - Bob
    
    a B Bursary would suffice……limited to 6 papers in year 1………additional tutorial support.
    Wayne by your own admission here the standards were changed.
    If the applicant didn’t meet the ‘A Bursary’ admission requirement, limited to 6 papers and required additional tuition which was not available to other students; the candidate clearly was not up to the cognitive standard required for the B.com.
    You were basically grooming the candidate to pass the exams, a level of support which you don’t appear to have made available to the ‘A Bursary’ candidates.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:40pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Well, I guess you either agree with the scheme, and the implications of implementing it, or you don’t.
      
      Yes, typically the MOPAS students took a little longer to get their degrees. But so did around a third of all B Com students.
      
      So I disagree that the MOPAS students were not up to the cognitive standard.
      
      Because our normal admission criteria was an A bursary, our teaching and marking standards probably reflected that. The Maps students were, and are, passing exams that reflect that standard.
      
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      September 10, 2021 2:19pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I saw that & thought exactly the same.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My Doctor is Korean. It is about trust, not the colour of his skin
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:06am
  - I remember when
    
    I have a preference for Asian doctors – and the School Dux winners around New Zealand suggest I may be right.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:24am
    - Sacha
      
      And if you follow the current wave of Covid discussions on-line you’ll have noticed that most of the active researchers are practising medical doctors of distinctly non-European origin.
      (Which raises the question of white supremacy trying to keep control the health industry, but that’s another discussion 🙂 )
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Our dentist is an Indian, who studied and qualified in India. I would have no hesitation in recommending him.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Should add Korean born, he came here aged 4
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:54am
- Chris2
  
  Does he adopt this attitude when applying for taxpayer-funded welfare, too?
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:24am
- ABS4EVA
  
  That is blatantly RACIST asking for a doctor
  or a certain Race he should be Charged under
  New Hate Speech Laws and if was not born in NZ
  Deported.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:29am
- rangitoto
  
  I’d prefer that my doctor was competent rather than looking a certain way.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:39am
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Diversity and inclusion Programs are Rampant
    in the Medical Sector.
    People are chosen based on official and unofficial
    Quotas
    
    As long as there are as few White People in
    Any profession or employed in anything the better.
    That is the plan.
    
    White EVIL
    Everyone Else Saints
    Have you not Noticed
    
    I Propose White Male Free Days
    
    Where all the White Males take the Day off
    and the rest of the world does not use anything
    they invented
    
    Turn of the Electricity
    Wipe your Bum with Leaves etc etc
    etc
    
    Don’t drive your Car
    Organise a Horse Drawn Ambulance etc etc
    
    Have they Taken the Name of Saint Johns Ambulance yet?
    
    and when do I have to revise my Mother
    and Fathers Headstones to be Gender Neutral
    and remove any Christian Symbology lest
    We offend a minority
    
    or have they been Vandalised already
    
    Can’t be too far away with what is going down
    in West Auckland
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:29pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  On balance, I like my GPs to be SE/E Asian in origin and should I need a surgeon I’ll take Middle-Eastern
  
  Full disclosure: Neither of those ethnicities look anything like me. But then I am a grown-up from the first-world
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:25am
- Bluegrass
  
  Let him go back to his ethnic country of origin, then.
  
  Win:win.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:53am
RockyJ

Ray Avery made some points on LinkedIn about NZ’s preparedness for this Delta outbreak.
“We have one of the lowest hospital bed ratios to population in the developed world.
We have the second highest rate of hospital acquired infections in the developed world.
We have a critical shortage of nurses and clinical staff with many hospitals staffing levels 20% below what is a safe level.
Nationwide we have only 48 negative pressure Covid containment ICU units and Auckland Hospital has more patients than it’s 12 negative pressure rooms.
None of our DHB’s have provided all their frontline staff with the correct N95 respirator masks and mandatory fit testing.”
So what has Andrew Little, our invisible Minister of Health, been concentrating on over the last 18 months of this pandemic? Answer; how to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on setting up a seperatist Maori health authority.
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September 10, 2021 8:27am
- alex Masterley
  
  I think some of what Ray Avery says regarding the shortage of staff is all about chickens comming home to roost for the government and some of its do nothing policies.
  We have had a go slow/stop on visas residency and citizenship applications which has in turn exaserbated the critical shortages mentioned. As well as conditions of employment which are not as attractive as those in Australia.
  There is a complete lack of anticipation of or preparation for the problems the healthcare system is facing. Piss poor preparation leading to piss poor performance.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:09am
  - Sacha
    
    Piss poor preparation leading to piss poor performance.
    Yep.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:16am
- Taieri
  
  “We have one of the lowest hospital bed ratios to population in the developed world.
  We have the second highest rate of hospital acquired infections in the developed world.
  We have a critical shortage of nurses and clinical staff with many hospitals staffing levels 20% below what is a safe level.
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  While the hospital bed per 1000 people ratio in NZ is certainly less than impressive, the similar ratio for nurses is not too bad, at least on the paper. According to the World Bank this ratio was 12.4 in 2019.
  
  Details for all countries can be found here:
  https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.NUMW.P3?locations=NZ
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:24am
  - RockyJ
    
    The data supplied was as at 2018. I wonder how we are tracking now?
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:48am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and what was the trend as at 2018 and what is the trend now?
      
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      September 10, 2021 4:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What do you reckon is the payment for the Spanish Pfizer vaccines?

Money? (Possible, but their economy is starting to lift)

~~Greasy Mutton~~ Lamb? (doubtful, they produce much more than they consume)

Work Visas to NZ (Spain has high unemployment)

Refugee intake (Spain has thousands of refugees arriving each year)
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September 10, 2021 8:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps Afghani refugee intake? Double win for the NZ government (UN brownie points AND a supply of the vaccine).
  
  // (sarc.)
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  Ardern , on her podium of truth thanked the “president” of spain , pedro sanchez .
  
  Only he ain’t Prez , he’s pm.
  
  Pedantic , I know , but hardly the stuff of such a great communicador or a fitting way to say mucho grats, getting such a basic wrong.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    She says she’s his close friend aswell!
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:18am
    - ABS4EVA
      
      bound to be as Scary as ALL HELL
      
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      September 10, 2021 1:31pm
  - cmm
    
    From Wikipedia: “He has also been Secretary-General of the Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party since June 2017”
    
    So a Comrade from the comrade, comrade days then…
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:51am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  What is a good solid sound bite worth.
  $25 a shot or maybe $50, it might work like opium is going in the market in Taliban controlled Kandahar, the white dust has risen 400% in a few weeks, as Taliban shut down the industry.
  They will charge what the highest bidder is prepared to pay for it, price is irrelevant, new Zealand has endless supply of printable cash.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:43am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Nobody expects the Spanish Inoculation!
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:16am
- rangitoto
  
  Did the journos ask for the details of the deal?
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:41am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hmm – maybe Spain doesn’t want them because they have passed their use by date?
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:50am
    - virtualmark
      
      Not quite.
      
      All countries order enough vaccines for all their population.
      
      In reality not all their population elect to get vaccinated.
      
      So the country ends up with left-over vaccine.
      
      Those left-over vaccines do have a set shelf-life and will eventually expire.
      
      Better to sell or trade them to another country and get some value for them, rather than to let them expire worthless in a freezer somewhere.
      
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      September 10, 2021 12:14pm
- Sacha
  
  Aren’t we getting the vaccines from countries who have over-ordered? I read/heard that the use-by dates were due to expire, and we are using the excess supplies.
  I wonder if anyone who is getting the vaccine has asked to see the ampoule that their dose is being taken from? Does it have a use-by date?
  All those people who read the use-by dates on their baked bean tins are being derelict in their duty to the rest of us –
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:23am
  - cmm
    
    We over ordered too. We ordered 10M + now an extra 250k. We should only need about 8M.
    
    Someone’s going to be stuck with their surpluses unless these can also be used for boosters.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:12pm
    - virtualmark
      
      We’ll end up donating the leftover vaccines to the Covax programme run by the WHO.
      
      I suspect you’ll find we’re already doing that with the AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines that we’ve contracted for but aren’t using.
      
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      September 10, 2021 1:41pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Do you really think that we are giving – or would ever give – people expired medicines?
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:14pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Some have been given saline, so who knows.
      
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      September 10, 2021 2:06pm
- cmm
  
  I expect Spain is trying to shed many of their lower-tier immigrants.
  
  I know that they are actively trying to import higher tier immigrants though – making it far easier for doctors, nurses etc to go the Spain than NZ does.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:47pm
G152

2016 I had, was treated for and recovered from Non Hodgkins Lymphoma.
In that year I had treatment from 9 specialists and none of them were New Zealanders.
And very few of the nurses.
If race and colour worry you at such a stage of your life you shouldn’t be there !
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September 10, 2021 8:33am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Indeed as my son pointed out” how can the health system be systematically racist? It’s the most diverse employer in the country. Are we expected to believe that all the various ethnicities get together to deliver poor outcomes for Māori? “
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:19am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    If only some of the enemedia quoting the Maori advocates in the news would take the time to explore this, and ask such questions.
    
    Exactly how is the SYSTEM racist? – How do the Philippinos and Indians etc. fit into this white supremacist conspiracy?
    And from what mechanisms exactly do Maori die earlier than Pakeha & others? (any linkage to smoking or obesity, etc?)
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:39pm
G152

Remember 9/11 and the nearly 3000 people who went to work for the last day of their lives
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September 10, 2021 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve just finished watching a five-part Netflix documentary called Turning Point, about 9/11 and the subsequent war on terror. Neither George W Bush nor Barack Obama comes out of it with an enhanced reputation.
  
  The USA really did make a dog’s breakfast of Afghanistan, and as we have seen in the last few weeks, as soon as the Americans left, the Taliban were back. How long will it be before the Taliban has another go at the USA?
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:01am
  - dcrane
    
    Does anyone know that the Taliban were involved in the first go, or that Al Qaeda reached up into their govermment?
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:17am
  - Biscuit
    
    Oh, agreed, Tony.
    
    For months after 9/11 just about everyone on the planet was on America’s ‘side’…
    
    But America wasted the goodwill by rushing into an ill-thought-out war with seemingly-univolved Iraq … and then Afghanistan…
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:22am
    - cmm
      
      “For months after 9/11 just about everyone on the planet was on America’s ‘side’…”
      
      Were they really?
      
      Remember Bush drawing the line in the sand: You’re either with us or against us.
      
      Many that were urging restraint were forced off the fence (inc. the UK).
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:56am
    - septic skeptic
      
      They went into Afghanistan 1st.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:11am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Wrong way round. The war in Iraq was folly, and a result of the hawks in his cabinet.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:54am
- alex Masterley
  
  I was watching “Holmes” for some reason before heading off to work. There was a cross to New York after the first plane hit the World Trade Centre. During that cross, the second plane could be seen flying into the second tower. It is something that will be in my memory for ever.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:12am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I doubt you were watching “Holmes”, alex.
    
    The first plane hit the north tower at 0046 hrs on Wednesday, the 12th, NZ time. (The second plane hit at 0103 hrs.) I knew nothing about it until I heard the 7 a.m. news that morning.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:33am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I was working in the circulation department at the Whanganui Chronicle at the time. When the first plane hit, our senior sub-editor was just putting the finishing touches on Wednesday’s paper before sending it to print. She did some digging, picked up information off the wires, and made a very brave decision to hold the presses for half an hour or so while she redesigned the front page to include a photograph of the smoking North Tower, and a brief story off the wires. We were the only morning newspaper in the country to cover the story in our first edition, and I had a massive day topping up local outlets who were selling papers as fast as we could deliver them.
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:47am
      - Steve Todd
        
        An acquaintance of mine was still up, watching CNN, when it happened. He saw the lot, including what about 200 desperate people did.
        
        I’m glad I missed the live coverage.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:14am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Steve, I was working in London at the time. The first plane hit the tower just after lunchtime on the Tuesday (British summer time). A colleague’s wife had rung him to tell him. We didn’t have a TV to watch it, and all we had were phone calls coming in telling us what had happened.
        
        The most haunting thing from my perspective, was going home that evening and watching the news with video of people falling to their deaths from the upper floors of each of the towers. Something I’ll never forget watching.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:51am
    - Ra Henare
      
      You are right Steve.
      Had just got home after working late and flicked on TV to relax and caught the live feed.
      Many things I saw that night I have never seen rescreened.
      Finally went to bed around 7am
      
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      September 10, 2021 12:54pm
Steve Todd

Those crazy Texans have done it this time.

This article (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2021/09/texas-abortion-bounty-law/?) points out the consequences of the new abortion law in that state. “By permitting the Texas law to go into force, the Supreme Court has sent a message that Roe v. Wade, although it hasn’t explicitly been overruled, is no longer binding.”

It won’t affect “[r]ich, hypocritical white Christians [though, who] will always be able to travel to blue states, while poorer women […] will exist in a state of Gilead-like subjugation and state-sponsored control of their reproductive organs.”

But, Republicans may be like the dog that caught the car. “Millions of people who voted for Republicans because they want lower taxes may feel differently when their own bodies are on the line.”

An informative, and chilling, read, Kiwibloggers. (And don’t forget to check out the comments.)
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September 10, 2021 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  zzzzzzzzz
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:42am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I could put up that response several times a day, every day, kowtow.
    
    The article is a reminder to all of us of what could happen here, if we were ever to give conservative, Christian nutters, any sort of political power.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:07am
    - SilverSurfer
      
      The socialist wokesters in other states don’t seem to be doing a marvellous job now do they…
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:20am
    - Philview
      
      Steve, our ultra liberal MPs passed a law last year that aborted babies born alive in NZ should be left to slowly die. There has been one reported case since that such a baby was delivered and gasped for several hours before passing away and was a horrific experience for medical staff. Our ultra liberal MPs are now looking at passing laws locking up Christians for 3 to 5 years for poorly defined gay/gender conversion practices. We are completely at the other extreme end of the spectrum.
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:21am
    - kowtow
      
      I can see where you’re coming from.
      
      Those conservative Christian nutters created the West, capitalism and our unique , free , wealthy way of life.
      
      They must be torn down.
      
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      September 10, 2021 9:23am
      - Steve Todd
        
        They were nothing like the right-wing nutbars currently destroying the Republican Party. In the main, they were decent people who also happened to be Christian; living in a time when religionism was an integral part of everyday life.
        
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        September 10, 2021 10:01am
      - virtualmark
        
        kowtow,
        
        Christianity – like Islam – has its “Taliban” … we could call them the Talibangelicals. They’re relatively rare here in New Zealand, but very prominent and powerful in the US.
        
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        September 10, 2021 11:48am
      - kowtow
        
        VM
        
        Yer I know but in all honesty the danger doesn’t come from a tiny minority of fundie Xtians , the danger to the west comes from left wing fundamentalists , of which we do have an awful lot here in new Zealand , we could call them the Talisocialists , Tallygreens , Tallyhealthfascists etc
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:42pm
      - virtualmark
        
        kowtow, I’m cautious about using words like “danger” … because danger implies fear, which leads to anger, which leads to …
        
        Society and culture is always changing and evolving. The world we live in today has different attitudes and values to those of 1950 and 1900 and 1850 and so on. I suspect the demographics of Kiwiblog’s commenters skew heavily towards Pakeha aged over 65 … which is a group that has been around long enough to notice cultural change across their lifetime (in a way 20 year olds can’t) and perhaps feel threatened by it.
        
        To me what’s important is do these changes in our society affirm the dignity, value and purpose of each individual. If they do then I’m okay with it. If they don’t then I’d object to it.
        
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        September 10, 2021 1:47pm
- thirteenstars
  
  While I’m not in favour of a six-week grace period for abortion–it’s far too restrictive–the latest NZ abortion law allows abortion right until the moment of birth.
  
  So, Steve Todd, are you saying a 37-week old baby can be removed from its mother’s body and disposed of as if it were a piece of meat?
  
  Because that’s what Roe v Wade currently allows in the US unless otherwise restricted by the states themselves.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:02am
  - Steve Todd
    
    […—] the latest NZ abortion law allows abortion right until the moment of birth.
    
    Only in the most extreme of circumstances. Abortion has been available, for example, to save the life of the mother, at least since 1977.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:52am
    - thirteenstars
      
      That’s not what the law says.
      
      https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0006/latest/whole.html#LMS237585
      
      And you’re avoiding the question. Roe v Wade *does* allow termination until the moment of birth. Texas and other states say it’s unconscionable to allow late-term abortion, that it’s equivalent to murder. The new Texas law is too restrictive, but I have no problem with restricting the window. At some point the woman has to put up or shut up and it’s perfectly valid to define a limit.
      
      The problem people like you have is you’re as bad as the zealots that say no abortion should be permitted at all. You say, have at it. It’s a woman’s right to terminate at ANY time.
      
      Most sane people have a more balanced view.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:14am
      - Steve Todd
        
        That’s not what the law says.
        
        Nor does section 11 state that the abortion of a live fetus can be performed right up to the moment of birth. It allows for abortion services to be provided where the abortion “is clinically appropriate in the circumstances” and, in considering that, what the qualified health practitioner must have regard to.
        
        So, I say again, late-term abortions would only ever be performed in extreme circumstances (most often, I would imagine, to save the life of the mother). The Abortion Legislation Act 2020 most certainly does not allow abortion on demand. That, and allowing abortion up till birth, are simply (more) right-wing tropes.
        
        I do not say “[i]t’s a woman’s right to terminate at ANY time.” You are knowingly misrepresenting and misinterpreting my previous response to you.
        
        The article I linked to this morning is about the new Texas law; not about Roe v Wade. Regarding that decision, you wilfully misrepresent what it allows; see the paragraph beginning, “In January 1973, […]”, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade.
        
        Every now and again, I put up links to articles that provide alternative points of view, to the prevailing right-wing views on this blogsite. As I have said before, Kiwibloggers can take them or leave them, or react to them, as they see fit. I do not necessarily agree with everything stated in the articles I link to, but I do like to make sure that Kiwibloggers know that their views are not the only views held by people out there in wider society.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:22pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Nor does section 11 state that the abortion of a live fetus can be performed right up to the moment of birth. ”
        
        Laws do not state every circumstance that is permissible. NZ abortion law does NOT say it is illegal to abort late term for reasons other than saving the mother’s life.
        
        The law, as written, clearly leaves the discretion of what constitutes acceptable reasons to the woman and her doctor.
        
        Your argument would only hold water if the law stated that after 20 weeks the sole reason for termination was in the case of death to the mother. Not her “physical health”, “mental health” or “overall well-being”, all of which can mean anything at any time.
        
        If a woman consults her doctors and cites mental health as her reason for seeking termination of her 35-week old baby, under what provision of the law would that be deemed illegal if carried out?
        
        Answer: none. If you can find such a provision then let us know.
        
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        September 10, 2021 12:45pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Read my second paragraph again. I said most often to save the life of the mother.
        
        Regarding a woman citing “mental health”, that would most likely be a consideration soon after 20 weeks, where, for some unavoidable reason, she failed to get an abortion before 20 weeks. As I say, I imagine late-term abortions would most likely be to save the mother’s life [subsection 3].
        
        You seem to think that qualified health practitioners will always be acting in “bad faith” (as you would see it). Who knows, perhaps their controlling body has developed guidelines as to how to proceed, according to law, in cases after 20 weeks. No doubt the woman would be referred to a mental health practitioner (or practitioners) — who would be one or more of the at least “1 other required qualified health practitioner(s)” — for assessment.
        
        If a woman who is 35 weeks pregnant wants an abortion, on mental health grounds, she would, to put it inelegantly, need to be “pretty far gone”, and properly certified as such, for the abortion to be carried out. I would say — not that my view means anything, anymore than yours does — that in most such cases, the abortion would not be approved.
        
        You are also overlooking subsection 2(b)(iii) — regard must be had to the gestational age of the fetus.
        
        If you can find such a provision then let us know.
        
        It all comes down to how the law, as enacted, is administered / carried out, by practitioners acting professionally.
        
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        September 10, 2021 2:11pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “It all comes down to how the law, as enacted, is administered / carried out, by practitioners acting professionally.”
        
        It took you a lot of meandering but eventually you got there: there is no provision in the law that prevents a woman getting an abortion at 35 weeks for reasons of mental health.
        
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        September 10, 2021 3:53pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yes there is — the gestational age of the fetus.
        
        Her fetus would likely be delivered by Cesarean section, rather than be aborted.
        
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        September 10, 2021 6:03pm
- dcrane
  
  While it is true that Roe v. Wade is vulnerable now, this action by the Court doesn’t mean much if the law hadn’t come into effect yet, or if there was some other technical issue like standing.
  
  Won’t be surprised if Roberts ends up casting a deciding vote that maintains Roe down the road. He’s the ultimate establishment justice, and the political establishment (GOP and Dem alike) probably likes using this issue to keep large electorate factions loyal at the federal level. Devolving it entirely to the states would deprive them of this.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:25am
- virtualmark
  
  AFAIK Abbot hasn’t signed this into law yet. Which he seems to be dragging his feet on.
  
  Occasionally the dog that chases after cars does end up catching one. And then doesn’t know what to do with it.
  
  Polling in the US consistently shows the majority *of registered Republicans* support abortion rights, let alone the majority of all voters. Arguing against abortion is a great rallying cry for your voter group, and good for raising money. But actually restricting abortion rights is a vote loser.
  
  Added to which the legal engineering that Texas has gone through with this abortion law would be an own goal for the right. Just wait for California to pass an equivalent law that offers bounties for people who turn in others with the wrong type of magazines on their guns etc etc. Lots of likely perverse outcomes here.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The law went into effect last week, when the supreme court refused to block it.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:14pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    It would seem (Google search) the law came into effect on 1 September.
    
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    September 10, 2021 5:27pm
- NoFax
  
  I guess Moloch will be disappointed.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:30am
- MCos
  
  From what I understand an aspect of that law that may lead to its demise is the bounty hunter provision.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Haven’t been to Texas have you Steve. People think differently there than Woke, bubbled inner city (little) Aotearoa.
  
  Regardless sleepy Joe out trumped them all by mandating Kungflu jabs. He’ll be in the low 30’s approval rate in a couple of weeks
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:13pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Haven’t been to Texas have you Steve.
    
    Irrelevant.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:36pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Very relevant. Enforcing your values on people that don’t share your values never works well.
      
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      September 10, 2021 12:47pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        What a strange response.
        
        I’m not enforcing anything, certainly not “my values”. It’s called “the exchange of ideas / views”, Frank. Are you suggesting Kiwibloggers, most of whom would never have been to Texas, share Texan values? I doubt they do.
        
        I have merely put up an article that counters the prevailing view here on Kiwiblog. (See upthread.) You are free to take it or leave it.
        
        Kiwiblog is not a right-wing echo chamber, Frank (as much as many Kiwibloggers, including you, it would seem, would like it to be).
        
        For the avoidance of doubt, I will continue to participate here, whether or not you like my contributions.
        
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        September 10, 2021 2:45pm
      - MCos
        
        As America finds out on a regular basis.
        Not to mention any idealist dictator you care to mention.
        Plus strident interest groups.
        
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        September 10, 2021 4:09pm
- Fletch
  
  Wow, those crazy, crazy conservatives who don’t want babies to be killed…
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:27pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Embryos are not babies, Fletch.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:54pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      They are 100% comprised of living human DNA, ergo they are humans. To kill one is to extinguish a human life.
      
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      September 10, 2021 3:24pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        To kill one is to extinguish a potential human life.
        
        I don’t like abortion anymore than anyone else, but I know full well that if I was a woman and I was pregnant and didn’t want to be (for whatever reason), I would get an abortion.
        
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        September 10, 2021 3:42pm
      - Fletch
        
        So when do you decide it is a baby? If a pregnant mother is murdered, it’s the life of both the mother and her unborn child that the killer is charged with taking. Liberals have this funny way of deciding something is a certain way when certain conditions are met. ie, a baby is only a baby when it is wanted.
        
        The plain and simple truth is that life begins with conception. That’s the only place it can begin. Anything other is arbitrary based on what makes someone feel better. You know that if left unmolested in the womb a baby will be born.
        
        The only reason a woman goes to an abortionist is if she is pregnant. Pregnant = going to have a child. And the only reason for her visit is to prevent that from happening. And the abortionist doesn’t “magic” it away. He kills it. Plain and simple.
        
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        September 10, 2021 4:06pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Why bother debating what have already arrived at your decision. I get it you don’t like the pro-life argument. If you hate the Texas law so much jump on a plane and go protest there.
      
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      September 11, 2021 6:47am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Proponents of both sides of the abortion debate on Kiwiblog have already arrived at their decisions — nothing will change their minds — but that doesn’t mean debate, discussion of current developments, etc., must cease.
        
        Your last sentence is beneath even you.
        
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        September 11, 2021 8:18am
I remember when

If the wearing of masks is essential according to the ‘science’ -why have we still got the same mask types we used a year ago.
Surely Jacinda would have used a session on the podium to explain the need for high performance masks.
No doubt, followed by sessions when the number, availability and arrival dates would be highlighted.
So are they largely a ‘feel-good’, and they don’t want to spoil all the mask-making endeavours and fund-raising stories in the local papers.
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September 10, 2021 8:42am
- cmm
  
  It’s theatre.
  
  Swords for theatre props aren’t sharp.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:58am
  - oldfella
    
    cmm: nor is our PM.
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:06pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  The science has been clear for a long time now, that masks are bad for your health, both physical and mental. And do nothing at all to stop Covid.
  
  https://www.dailyveracity.com/2021/07/26/over-50-scientific-studies-conclude-masks-do-nothing-to-prevent-the-spread-of-illness-so-why-do-people-keep-claiming-they-work/
  
  Always make sure to note when someone handles and adjusts their mask. As each time they do this they’ve contaminated it with any viruses and bacteria that were on their hands, which they will now be breathing in for as long as they’re wearing it ?
  
  The continual insistence and tyrannical force for the use of these useless masks, is for the authoritarians in control to make the populace signal their cowardly compliance to the ever more absurd rules that they are foisting upon us ?
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:59am
- DeepBlue
  
  Last year I dutifully made a tripple layer mask for shopping and airtravel etc. Turned out to be hot as hell and I couldn’t breathe.
  
  This year I will make the finest, lightest mask I can to comply. I was thinking Chux cloth. // Thoughts?
  
  PS -I want to hot wash them rather than use wasteful disposables.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:29pm
JibberJabber

Random impertinent question,
Who is the elected Auckland Board member who chained herself to a digger whilst protesting the removal of dangerous pines in Western Springs and then proceeded to urinate over the machinery?
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September 10, 2021 8:42am
I remember when

If you think you are experiencing some real wind at the moment – if you are in North Canterbury, for one, you are right.
Schools closed, damage to forests, travel cautiously.
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September 10, 2021 8:45am
- I remember when
  
  One of the things to remember about forests.
  Storms can cause major damage.
  Something to keep in mind when covering the country with them.
  Will overseas pension funds do the remedial work afterwards.
  
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  September 10, 2021 8:52am
- I remember when
  
  Just heard from a North Canterbury farmer whose worker just watched their neighbour feed out.
  Said it will save them having to feed out.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Irw, used to think ‘feed out’ meant fast food.
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:38pm
kevn

@Maggy… Couple of banana boxes of Pfizer from Spain equals great labour PR optics/perception for the plebs.
I’m certain the product ordering schmozle sh*tshow could have been well managed by Pharmac.
MOH have done soo badly right from the beginning to now.
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September 10, 2021 8:45am
cas

This is an excellent column by Dan Wootton in the Daily Mail about how the woke are trying to cancel Churchill, particularly the CEO of the Winston Churchill memorial Trust. Cripes when does all this wokery stop.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9974025/DAN-WOOTTON-supposed-protect-legacy-Winston-Churchill-betray-badly.html
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September 10, 2021 8:50am
- MCos
  
  That chap is very heavy on the hyperbole in his defence of Churchill.
  
  “ Walk into the office past a row of swastika flags, with a quick Sieg Heil salute to the portrait of the late Führer Adolf Hitler before jumping in the lift.
  Without the bravery and leadership of the greatest Briton to ever live, that’s a routine that millions of us in the UK – a bleak Nazi-occupied German colony – might well be following today.
  No Prime Minister or Western leader in recent history has come close to the lasting positive impact Sir Winston Churchill had on all our lives.”
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:38am
Flossie

Helen Clark AM Breakfast was interviewed this morning with reference to the 9/11 twin towers attack.
In the intervening years since lots has happened she said….the March Christchurch attack on the mosque by a lone white supremacist, and last week’s attack on seven people in Auckland.
I would add quotation marks but I’m not sure exactly what she said. However there was no mention of who/what the Auckland stabbings were about.
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September 10, 2021 8:50am
Benedict Yu

This video is only 30 seconds. It is both funny ? and worrying.

There is no way Joe Biden is going to be see out another three years.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KrLTrJB8PWU?feature=share
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September 10, 2021 8:50am
- RiP NZ
  
  Impossible BY
  There are those on this blog who assure us its just a stutter, and he has always had one – even presenting irrefutable proof from sources, simultaneously debunking any counter views.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:03am
- amospicton
  
  Leader of the free world! How on earth has it come to this? There are millions of capable people in the US and this guy is in charge? I can’t see him lasting the full 4 years – the question then becomes whether the Dems trust Kamala. They shouldn’t and they don’t but she ticks all those diversity boxes. it’s going to be interesting.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    How is it possible?
    
    High level criminal malfeasance.
    
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    September 10, 2021 9:34am
  - Ruawai
    
    Biden will watch what Tim Shadbolt is doing and just do the same to retain power for this term.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Ore vice versa. They are as bad, and as troubled, as each other.
      
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      September 10, 2021 11:10am
      - cmm
        
        The difference is that Shadbolt is just a mayor of a small town…
        
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        September 10, 2021 1:33pm
      - oldfella
        
        And Shadbolt can’t launch a nuclear attack. /s
        
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        September 10, 2021 4:11pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, later videos show him to be in a much worse condition by just stopping talking and looking blank. The Dems are shit scared of his falling approval ratings and the mid terms will be a sight to behold.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:48pm
Critical Thinker

Viral Joe Rogan Video (10mins): The “Horse Dewormer” Narrative is now Destroyed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI5gtJ4ObpQ
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September 10, 2021 8:53am
- dcrane
  
  Add Rogan to the list of high profile middle-aged to older people who caught covid and seemingly bounced right back. Since late last year it has seemed that the medical tools exist to ensure that most non-elderly people survive covid, often with little complication. Why for the past 9 months or so have we not been moving heaven and earth to ensure available stocks of these drugs, not to mention driving home the public messages of Vitamin D deficiency, fitness, early treatment/prophylaxis, etc. Rather than betting it all on a vaccine and lockdowns.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Can’t get vaccine passports accepted by the public consciousness without total focus on these therapies as a sole ‘way out’
    
    In truth they are the ‘way in’ to permanent bio surveillance.
    
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    September 10, 2021 10:19am
    - kowtow
      
      The so called free west copied the authoritarian CCP approach with draconian lockdowns and the so called free west is still copying them , only this time it’s with a western version of the CCP ‘s social credit control system.
      
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      September 10, 2021 10:58am
  - Sacha
    
    dcrane: you missed out Zinc. Take your Zinc tabs along with Vit D – low level contribute to increased susceptibility to viral infections, not to mention low vitality.
    I started taking zinc tab 3 weeks ago – I am healthy and have no co-morbidities, but I am old. I have impressed myself with how well I feel now – I even ‘jogged’ spontaneously a couple of days ago.
    Long may it last!
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:00am
    - dcrane
      
      Thanks yes there is a lot of buzz around that component as well.
      
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      September 10, 2021 11:50am
- thirteenstars
  
  Sure, this is another example of monkey hear, monkey say that’s so prevalent these days, especially with the Cult of Jacinda.
  
  In the past couple of weeks I’ve heard almost exactly the same thing said from multiple disciples, that being, Ivermectin? That’s a horse drug!
  
  They’ve never done one jot of independent research. Never mind Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for its use in humans.
  
  And when you hit them with, well, what about antibiotics? Widely used for animals as well as people. Are you not going to take antibiotics again?
  
  Blank out.
  
  What about Ketamine, a widely-used anaesthetic for humans and, horror!, animals.
  
  And the hundreds if not thousands of drugs and substances used for both humans and animals. Guess what, idiots: humans are animals, too.
  
  Does Ivermectin help to treat the effects of COVID? I wouldn’t have a clue. But what I do know is parroting an objection purely on the basis of a drug also being used for animals is about as dumb as it gets.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:55am
- Northshoredoc
  
  CT – sigh the misinformation regarding ivermectin really is depressing.
  
  While the clip is correct in saying that ivermectin has shown activity in the lab in cell cultures against a number of different viruses at levels in the mcg/ml range – the blood levels of ivermectin at safe therapeutic doses are in the 20–80 ng/ml range. I’m not sure if it would even be physically possible to achieve levels in humans in the mcg/ml range.
  
  There is a bona fide trail looking at ivermectin ongoing in the UK this will likely provide a signal of whether there is any use for ivermectin for COVID.
  
  https://www.principletrial.org/news/ivermectin-to-be-investigated-as-a-possible-treatment-for-covid-19-in-oxford2019s-principle-trial
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That trial is designed to fail due to late enrollment when benefit of Ivermectin is known to be low:
    
    “People aged 18 to 64 with certain underlying health conditions or shortness of breath from COVID-19, or aged over 65, are eligible to join the trial within the first 14 days of experiencing COVID-19 symptoms or receiving a positive test.”
    
    The period of potential usefulness for ivermectin is immediately at or before first exposure to the virus, where viral replication is ramping up exponentially and slowing it can yield big benefits, using it long after viral load peak has been reached and is in equilibrium with immune system response (~5 days after infection) is mostly pointless.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:03pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      My London-based daughter tried to join this study on learning she had Covid-19. She was declined because she is “a woman of child bearing age.”
      
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      September 10, 2021 2:35pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Amazing that some people will take horse medicine known not to protect against Covid-19, but refuse a human vaccine proven to protect against Covid-19.
  
  All for political reasons.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:26pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    You are a classic example of the adage, you can lead a ~~horse~~ lefty to ~~water~~knowledge but you can’t make it ~~drink~~ think.
    Your claim has been debunked numerous times yet you cling to your bowl of disinformation in your desperation not to be flushed by facts.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:12pm
  - Fletch
    
    Is penicillin “horse medicine” as well? It’s given to both animals and humans, the same as ivermectin, which is prescribed by doctors for humans.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:19pm
  - NoFax
    
    Why are you persisting in a lie that has been proven wrong – no one is taking horse medicine. And yes, I suspect your lies are for political reasons.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:36pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ivermectin – In market for more than 40 years. Approaching 4 billion human doses. Impeccable safety record. Research on this drug’s anti-viral properties going back 17 years. Volumes of trial data showing efficacy in prophylaxis and early-stage treatment of Covid-19
    
    Pfizer – Novel delivery mechanism, developed in record time skipping key trial stages. Used under emergency provisions. Serious adverse event rate more the 80x that of the flu vaccine.
    
    To be clear, anyone persisting with the ‘animal medicine!!’ objection is a brain-dead moron.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:43pm
  - Sacha
    
    Muttonbird, your mutton-headedness is showing.
    As Krazykiwi says below, it has been regarded as an effective, safe drug for human use for 40 years.
    Ivermectin stands alongside Penicillin and Aspirin as one of the great medical benefits to mankind – as well as animals.
    It is known to have antiviral properties, and it’s not surprising that experienced medical practitioners have discovered its effectiveness in treating the mildly symptomatic – and those who are hospitalised.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:00pm
thirteenstars

David Seymour: Why I published the priority access code for Māori

They believe New Zealand has sinned, and the path to redemption is by forming a new kind of state. A partnership between tangata whenua, here by right, and tangata treaty, here because the treaty allows them to be. In other words, a state where your political rights and your place in the world depend on your birth.

This belief is woven through the current Government’s approach to every area of policy.

The new history curriculum teaches the next generation that “Māori history is the foundational and continuous history of New Zealand”.

Three Waters assets are to be put under co-governance between Māori and the rest.

You may not have heard about the Plant Variety Rights Bill, but it will set up a special Māori Plant Variety Rights Committee. Apparently Māori are born with a special connection to some plants that other people don’t have. I wish I was making this up.

The Natural and Built Environments Act, set to replace the RMA, will require that all land and resource use decisions “give effect to” the principles of the Treaty.

Most of us recognise all of this for what it is. For some folks it is an article of faith beyond criticism. Me having the temerity to mock the priority access code for Māori mocked their faith, and out the hornets swarmed.

Full article:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/david-seymour-why-i-published-the-priority-access-code-for-māori
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September 10, 2021 8:54am
- Yabster
  
  Good on Seymour- pushing back on academics, the maori caucus and iwi elite- -first I had heard of the Plant Variety Bill – what a load of woke bs -wonder if one of those plants is MaryJane.. Gangs would be stoked..
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:14am
- Yvette
  
  thirteenstars – further from the article you link to, I consider of some interest is –
  
  It would have been helpful if the Government had been prepared to partner with GPs, pharmacies, iwi, churches and workplaces months ago. By making the rollout so difficult to access, they made it a challenge to get vaccinated. I know of highly organised people who would go to vaccination centres when they heard of extra supply along the grapevine.
  
  The real criticism should lie with the Government for running such a hopeless rollout.
  
  My own proudest achievement in politics is the role I played in bringing charter schools to New Zealand. They were not a policy just for Māori, anyone could apply to start one.
  
  Nevertheless, they were enthusiastically embraced by many Māori who felt they were getting a raw deal from the state system. Some examples of that raw deal were actual racism where union-protected teachers told Māori kids they wouldn’t amount to much.
  
  The Labour party shut down charter schools for one day, and reopened them the next, with two major changes. They had to use union contracts, and they didn’t have to meet targets for student attendance.
  
  How many of those now breathlessly saying its racist to mock a Priority Access Code for Māori stood up against that? Not one of them issued a tweet in anger.
  same link as above – https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/david-seymour-why-i-published-the-priority-access-code-for-māori
  
  (Willie Jackson, with top union background, seemed to favour union demands regarding charter schools over their worth to Maori, and his Maori caucus appeared to follow suit)
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:49am
  - thirteenstars
    
    The core of ACT’s education policy is the $250,000 student education account which opens the door for parents to have control over where their kids go to school and most importantly, to choose the school that best suits their needs.
    
    It’s a good start, but the key thing is to make sure that new schools (charter, private, whatever you want to call them) are not constrained by regulations and unions. That’s because education of children is a private matter between a parent and the school, just as your health care is a private matter between you and your doctor. And it’s as important.
    
    Give parents control of the money and let schools be built that cater to the needs of a wide variety of parental ambitions for their children, and that will solve all that ails us.
    
    It goes without saying that underperforming groups in society will benefit most from this policy despite it being completely free of current race-based, income-based biases and policies that supposedly address underperformance.
    
    I call this whole idea New Education. It will happen alongside the current government schools and parents will vote with their feet and their funding. Good, dedicated teachers will leave the union bubble of the government system and flock to New Education schools, and those schools will be answerable to those that fund them, the parents, and the performance standards will go through the roof, not because they are mandated by the state but because parents will remove their children from underperforming schools and take their funding elsewhere.
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:23am
- Muttonbird
  
  Education is not for profit in this country.
  
  @thirteenstars, is your username a reference to the Confederate flag?
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:45pm
  - NoFax
    
    Again with the lies and an attempted smear too. The original US flag had 13 stars because of the 13 colonies.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Education is however run for the benefit of teacher unions rather than students, and to fit the beliefs of a small group of left wing zealots that have captured control of education policy and curriculum in govt leading to a huge slide in student achievement standards and increasing levels of indoctrination being pushed on kids. This is mirrored in public education in the USA and other western countries.
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:31pm
- thirteenstars
  
  And support from Bob Jones:
  
  What a lesson Seymour sends to the wallowing Nats, pussy-footing their cautious fear – ridden path of not speaking up against these divisive policies.
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/09/10/well-done-david-seymour/
  
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  September 10, 2021 2:45pm
Tony

DW and I have started watching TV3 news for the sole reason that they aren’t trying to supplant the english language with every second sentence (yet).
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September 10, 2021 8:55am
- Yabster
  
  both options suck- Dallow the maori Fallow or Toxic Tova- hard choice…
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:15am
- thirteenstars
  
  Don’t watch NZ TV news at all. It’s bad for your health, and it only encourages the buggers.
  
  Regardless of the use of Maori, the more pernicious aspect of our news is the biased reportage, lying by omission and the subtle use of language, word choice and the use of phrases that induce a certain psycho-emotional response in the viewer.
  
  They’ve been learning how to do this stuff for decades. They aren’t stupid.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:23am
  - MCos
    
    The TV in NZ is only bad for your health if you are sucked in by the junk food advertising.
    I watch the evening news. It’s obvious if a presenter/reporter is injecting themselves into the story.
    Morning TV/radio seems to be all about the presenters’ opinions.
    
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    September 10, 2021 11:57am
    - thirteenstars
      
      “The TV in NZ is only bad for your health if you are sucked in by the junk food advertising.”
      
      Or if you’re already sucked in by the woke bullshit the reporters are feeding you. It’s called confirmation bias.
      
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      September 10, 2021 1:01pm
      - MCos
        
        How could sensible people like you & me possibly be susceptible to confirmation bias from the likes of TVNZ, bassettbrash&hide or any other medium?
        
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        September 10, 2021 1:41pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “How could sensible people like you & me possibly be susceptible to confirmation bias from the likes of TVNZ, bassettbrash&hide or any other medium?”
        
        How would you, a sensible chap, be duped? You’ve just shown, by example, confirmation bias.
        
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        September 10, 2021 3:58pm
artemisia

US 2020 election – video footage is apparently available of a couple of hundred people apparently dropping multiple ballots into Georgia collection boxes. Tens of thousands they suggest, and if proved this is not legal.

Interesting that trillions of publicly available mobile phone pings were analysed to identify places of interest, followed by accessing CCTV footage.
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September 10, 2021 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
  
  Read that , no surprises they all but admit they rigged it .
  
  “There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain–inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests–in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy.”
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:28am
- dcrane
  
  Steve Bannon over at Rumble is also claiming large numbers of votes attributed to nonexistent addresses, mismatches between voting records (voting absentee vs. in-person) and statements given to canvassers, etc. Who knows, maybe they’re just teasing to keep the MAGA types donating. But the election was extremely suspicious in the severe mismatch between the Trump-Biden outcome (Trump loss) and nearly everything else on the ticket (Dems crushed downballot and on initiatives). Combined with the wall of unified and implausible “We’re certain there was no fraud” coverage from the MSM beginning merely days after the election. Waiting to see if they can assemble convincing evidence.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:40am
Chuck Bird

The second part of the Gutfeld interview of Trump is on Fox at 3 this afternoon.
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September 10, 2021 9:08am
- dcrane
  
  Trump was looking pretty sharp in Parts 1 and 2. Does that guy ever age?
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:41am
Tony Stuart

Another Covid case yesterday at Middlemore Hospital from someone who presented to the ED with unrelated issues.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/coronavirus-patient-at-middlemore-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-showing-up-for-unrelated-issue.html

The bosses as Middlemore are saying that the risk posed by this case is low, given the nurses treating them were wearing PPE. But what about the 32 other patients in the ED at the time, as reported by Michael Morrah?

Yesterday, there were still 30 community cases of Covid that have not been genomically linked to the August cluster. How many other cases are out and about in the community, and how long will it be before one or more cases crops up beyond the Auckland boundary? I don’t think it’s by any means certain that Auckland will be out of L4 next week.
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September 10, 2021 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  At the very least the SI should go to L1.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:29am
- JibberJabber
  
  It is all rather convenient and obviously, Auckland has sinned and Ardern feels we need to be punished.
  While the Branch Covidians are revelling in these draconian restrictions the rest of us are coping the best we can.
  
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  September 10, 2021 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  TS, oh dear how sad. Meanwhile the rest of NZ limps along on 2.5 and hardly an innovative mask to be seen, just boring light blue or (dirty or clean?) black.
  
  https://www.halloweencostumes.com/child-zombie-sublimated-face-mask.html
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:10am
- lifesgood
  
  I suspect there are hundreds but their symptoms are so minor they don’t even know they have it. All this hysteria over a tiny number having severe symptoms is out and out ridiculous. There’s no hysteria over flu is there?
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:14am
  - MCos
    
    As of yesterday approx 10% of NZers infected with the Delta variant have been hospitalized. (88/855) One of whom was fully vaccinated.
    I would suggest symptoms need to be severe for the patient to be hospitalized.
    There’s no way that percentage of those who catch the flu are hospitalized, otherwise there’d be no room for anyone else.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:34pm
Tauhei Notts

Some will call me a beggar for punishment, but; I get emails from National, Labour, Act and Maori Party.
The latest email from the Maori Party was very well done. It encouraged Maori people to get the jabs. It was able to bring in some of the delightful and touching Maori humour. It was much better than anything I have seen from the MoH regarding Maori people.
It is some time since I last praised the Maori Party.
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September 10, 2021 9:28am
- Inandout
  
  TN, but will many still avoid turning up for appointments?
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:12am
  - MCos
    
    Your worry about yourself and your family rather than second guess how other people behave.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:51pm
ABS4EVA

Australia is PREPARING FOR WAR

Sheridan: Australia needs a ‘credible armoury straight away’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdSfaVrxdJc&t=11s

As Fast as it Can
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September 10, 2021 9:32am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Why would Australia go to war with China, when they’ve now become South China? ?
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:05am
Nickc2

Beyond He Puapua
https://beyondordinary.snaphire.com/jobdetails/ajid/EsRm7/M%C4%81ori-Capability-Advisor,3539.html
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September 10, 2021 9:38am
Liberal Cliche

New preprint on waning efficacy of BioNTech/Pfizer vaxx in Qatar. They find efficacy against infection peaks at 72% within 4 weeks of dose 2. After 14 weeks, it plummets, and by the 20-24 week mark it’s at 0.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1.full.pdf
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September 10, 2021 9:48am
- Critical Thinker
  
  It’s been obvious for a while now that the Pfizer “vaccine” should never have been called a vaccine in the first place ?
  
  It should probably instead be classed as a somewhat effective gene-therapy prophylactic treatment tool to prevent serious Covid illness.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thanks. I wonder how the “elimination strategy’ is holding up.
  
  Those of you seen project plans will know their is a ‘risk register’ which lists all risks, classifies their likelihood and impact, and keeps tracks of any mitigation plans.
  
  I sure would like to see the risk register for the elimination strategy.
  
  Risk 1. Vaccine stops working against infection after 6 months.
  
  Probability: 100 percent.
  
  Mitigation: ?
  
  🙂
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Anyone still running an elimination strategy is doing so based on quasi-religious dogma, not on science. Risk registers are heretical abominations so unlikely to exist.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:30pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Maybe that is why Jacinda apposed Hipkins delay in opening borders and said we will in early 2022.
  
  She wants as many as possible to get vax, then open up and do a Sweden herd immunity before she says sorry and people find out come March that everyone is getting a summer cold.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:35pm
  - MCos
    
    There’s no such thing as herd immunity with covid-19.
    Apart from that I detest the expression. Makes us sound like animals.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They aren’t going to open in 2022. Goal posts will be shifted.
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:35pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bthV44dGTzo

Nigel Farage: ‘This isn’t the Conservative Party – it’s Blue Labour’.

Nigel Farage questions whether the Tories are really conservative, after they hiked National Insurance and for their embrace of green policies at the cost of taxpayers. [6:03. The UK Tories are also Labour Lite. Pity about the irritating pratt the end of the video.]
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September 10, 2021 9:49am
Benedict Yu

“Public health expert Professor Nick Wilson said he favoured all areas outside Auckland remaining in alert level 2 until there was a purpose-built managed isolation quarantine (MIQ) facility in either Ohakea or Burnham military bases and tighter regional and national borders.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126326513/covid19-rest-of-nz-unlikely-to-move-to-level-1-while-auckland-remains-in-lockdown

NO. Why does the media give these guys bandwith every day? This “expert” obviously wants people entering New Zealand to be quarantined for years to come.

Just no. Once everyone has made their choice, the vaccinated should be good to go overseas to countries that welcome vaccinated travelers and return to New Zealand unmolested.
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September 10, 2021 9:49am
- Cinematic
  
  Wilson, Baker etc see a future of tightly controlled borders with ongoing quarantining forever. And ever ever, ever ever.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  BY, and still enjoying a full salary like all those government leeches.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Public heath experts don’t have to run a country. Their narrow minds focus only on what is optimal for patients and doctors, everything else being equal. Purely mechanical. It completely leaves out the external factors which their recommendations have to interact with. Other people’s consequential losses are irrelevant.
  
  Govt has a wider duty to consider all. Some may die from a cause but govts have to contain fear and look to the wider costs and affects. Attempting to fix something may not be smart if hidden costs freak out.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:08am
- MrTips
  
  Wilson obviously doesn’t know that the Mongol’s gang pad is in Burnham.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:49pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  What about the unvaccinated?
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:56pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What about them? In New Zealand the life of the unvaccinated will continue as mostly normal. Thee may be some events that you can’t go to. You won’t be able to enter most countries, but if you don’t want to travel life will be pretty much as normal.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:38pm
- Ra Henare
  
  When all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Specialists should only ever reflect on their area of specialty.
  Unfortunately in the rush to be celebrities they rattle on about all sorts of things they have zero qualifications or experience in.
  I think of the soozie woman, The modeller Hendy, and of course [deleted] Baker.
  
  And of course the Jornos are complicit in asking them dumb arse questions which have nothing to do with their area of specialty(I dont use expert anymore it has been so debased by Covid crazy media.)
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:00pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  It’s a variation of It Bleeds, It Leads, first established in US TV in the 1970’s.
  
  Which is to say that only the most stark, black & white, harsh, dramatic (pick your term) opinions and ideas see the light of day as headlines and intros.
  
  If the detail does not add up they don’t care, certainly not enough to investigate it.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:29pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GDs2uB0Wr7g/

Is America Turning into a Christian Theocracy?

Leftists are panicking; now their hysterics are being triggered by the belief that America is turning into a Christian theocracy right before our very eyes! In this video, we’re going to look in detail at that concern, we’re going to see how the rising patriot backlash is giving the progressive left good reason to be panicked; and stick with me to the very end of this video, when I’ll reveal what’s REALLY going behind all the leftist hysterics about the supposed rise of the Texas Taliban in our nation. [12:07]
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September 10, 2021 9:49am
pseudonymous

G152: Ditto my friend in 2015. And started my chemo and radiation 3 weeks after being told. Would that happen now??
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September 10, 2021 9:54am
Maggie Pie

Thank goodness my partner has his own ‘Private Banker’.
The DDOS attack is still ongoing this morning, so he arranged for us to collect a few thousand in cash to tide us over for the weekend.
Yesterday my card was declined at the dairy for $13.40, so I’m just about to shoot up and pay Raj.
He let me take the stuff anyway….said with a wink – “I know where you live”
LOL!!
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September 10, 2021 10:05am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I am astounded Raj didn’t accept your plastic buttons as payment like the girl in the TV ad.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:16am
kevn

@Maggie…Dig down back of sofa or touch the kids for a loan.
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September 10, 2021 10:08am
cmm

Just keep ignoring his batting record… he’s our “top modeller”.

“A top Covid modeller says New Zealand’s fight against Delta has exceeded expectations – and there are positive signs we will eliminate it in the coming weeks.”
“”Some time over the next couple of weeks, we will eliminate it,” says University of Auckland Covid-19 modeller Shaun Hendy.”

Surely by now people are no longer believing these models?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-pfizer-vaccines-from-spain-mean-no-slowdown-in-rollout/47MJDDPNJI64HCDKPGYILLLEPY/
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September 10, 2021 10:44am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Sean is looking more of a twit every time he opens his mouth.
  
  He had better hope the the public funding doesn’t dry up as the private sector are less likely to be asking him for advice as he’s so married to political narratives that his advice is tainted.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:12am
- dcrane
  
  He’s out on a limb. I can’t see this fear-inflaming, fear-driven government backing off Level 4 for Auckland until we have at least 7–10 days since the last mystery case was out among the public, and that counter doesn’t begin until the last mystery case appears. Worst case this could dribble on for months esp. given recent screwups in hospitals etc., and the risk of covid again escaping the congested quarantine facilities at any moment.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Cases are halving about every week and at 11 today. Expect another month of lockdown in Auckland, assuming this weeks hospital screwups don’t cause a flair up.
    
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    September 10, 2021 4:40pm
- kevn
  
  @cmm… ‘Eliminate’.. yeh right.
  So long as there are zero incoming travelers it is remotely possible.
  So, looking at that, elimination most unlikely.
  Fearful, mask wearing TV1/pupit of truthers a plenty. What a tragic sight.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:06pm
- MrTips
  
  He needs to go for a swim to calm down
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:47pm
Rusty

I could make a case that all doctors whatever ethnicity they may be are racialist to Pacific island and possibly Maori people in NZ.

Why?

Because they treat them like special needs people.

Examples: You go in for a health check and almost always they bring up the topics of diabetes, high blood pressure, wrong eating etc, being more prevalent among Pacific Island people blah, blah..

Why does a doctor have to even mention that as though only pacific people suffer from those problems?

Yes, I have some pacific island blood in me and my visits to my doctor seem to always center around this.

Even other family members and PI friends tell me the same thing from their doctors.

Discrimination in my view! BTW – I’m middle aged and my health is generally good.
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September 10, 2021 11:04am
- surfing
  
  If your doctor didn’t warn you of race specific health risks, they’d be called racist and only catering to white people.
  
  Personally, I think it is wrong to use skin colour to predict health outcomes (except for certain genetic diseases)…. they should use BMI and blood pressure…. an obese white person has the same health risks as an obese maori. So , why treat them differently?
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:44pm
westernScientest

An interesting extract from jre 1705: Heather Heying explaining what she thinks is going on with ‘science’

Heather:
“The people who keep on adopting the mantle of science are like follow the science, hashtag follow the science, all to often #followthescience, when you dig, its like oh well we went into a back room somewhere, and concluded some things, and we are going to tell you the conclusion, but just listen to us, because we are scientist, you can tell because of the lab coats. Like, NO, that not how science works, science works by investigating patterns carefully and really really really trying to falsify you cherished results. We see very little falsification going on right now in main stream media land. ”

Joe: “one of the grossest things from Fauci is when he said and attack on Anthony Fauci is an attack on science its self. That is bad guy in a move sh*t, this is madness.”
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September 10, 2021 11:05am
- dcrane
  
  Like Jacinda telling the public “come to our government virus website and ignore all other sources of information”.
  
  Science is never certain. Math can be certain, if the logic isn’t flawed, but never empirical science.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:54am
- cmm
  
  There’s science and science.
  
  Much of “science” is trying to do things that look cool, fit in with government agendas, and try to score funding.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:27pm
  - dcrane
    
    More and more academics are mediocre types mainly good at compliance, generating big networks of “collaborators” (friends), and sucking up to bureaucrats at granting agencies.
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:49pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Of course you don’t see falsifying results in main stream media land. Main stream media, as we very well know, can’t be doing with details, nuances, properly qualified explanations etc.
  
  That doesn’t mean that the actual scientists – vaccine developers and medical assessors who cleared the vaccine for use – as opposed to the politicians and journalists who report on their work – haven’t done their jobs properly. If this Heather Heying thinks they haven’t, let her name names and provide her evidence.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:54pm
  - westernScientest
    
    In this instance, they were not discussing vaccines, and I dont think that is her view of vaccine manufacturers generally, although I am not an avid listener of the Darkhorse podcast.
    
    Its a good podcast, definitely worth listening to.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:10pm
Alan Wilkinson

ANZ online banking is down for the third straight day and all the Govt security agency can do is put out b.s. press statements while our biggest bank is kept offline, probably by Putin’s mafia state.
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September 10, 2021 11:11am
- dcrane
  
  Depressing to hear them fall back on recommending taking out private insurance!
  
  Any evidence Russia is involved? Much anti-Russia buzz has been anti-Trump BS for years now.
  
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  September 10, 2021 11:51am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Unless it’s political from China it’s most likely Putin’s protected crooks.
    
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    September 10, 2021 12:17pm
  - rangitoto
    
    At work I’ve seen a lot of above the usual scan/probe activity from Russian source addresses, so it wouldn’t surprise me.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:26pm
Ruahine

Oh to be in Wisconsin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SowZGXMuOac
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September 10, 2021 11:25am
- dcrane
  
  Oh the humanity!
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:50pm
lifesgood

Can you believe it?? My grandchildren’s primary school is having a teacher only day today. WTF! This is Auckand, they’ve had teacher only days for the past 3 weeks! Oh yes, and the holidays are coming up shortly. What a life! and on full pay.
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September 10, 2021 11:32am
dcrane

Newshub: Mall terrorist tried to revoke his NZ residency in 2018, may have wanted to leave the country:

“In January 2018, Immigration New Zealand reopened his case and in April of the year, he requested cancellation of his permanent resident visa, his reasons for doing so are unclear.”

Former National Party immigration minister Michael Woodhouse said that raised serious questions.

“The individual actually sought to have his residence revoked, probably in order to leave the country,” he said.

“I find that extraordinary – why didn’t we let him? Not only have we prevented him from leaving when he did want to, we prevented him from handing back his permanent resident visa when he wanted to. And then when it looked like his refugee status was going to be overturned he didn’t want to.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/lynnmall-terror-attack-terrorist-tried-to-revoke-nz-residence-but-his-request-was-not-progressed.html
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September 10, 2021 11:48am
- cmm
  
  Yet another chink in the “we did everything we could” story.
  
  Did he actually have residence or citizenship? My understanding is that residence is way easier to revoke.
  
  Personally I think that people wanting to go play with ISIS overseas should be allowed to do so – just on the basis of:
  * If you’re a PR then residence is revoked and you can’t return.
  * If you’re a citizen, then you’re on your own. No helicopter parenting from the government.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:24pm
  - lifesgood
    
    What about the ISIS bride, eh? We seemed only too willing to have her back. I suppose she’ll have 24/7 supervision too.
    
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    September 10, 2021 1:42pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  While I agree that “we did everything we could” is looking more like a colander every day – I do not quite understand this. How does not revoking someone’s residency, equate to preventing them from leaving? Nobody’s prevented from leaving, not even born-and-bred fifth generation citizens, so I can’t see how holding residency means he wasn’t able to leave.
  
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  September 10, 2021 12:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How the Government takes community-owned facilities and gives them away to vested interests.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/451192/taihape-teaching-farm-transfer-ombudsman-says-education-ministry-unreasonable
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September 10, 2021 12:12pm
Jack5

Go woke, go broke …

Free local newspapers, typically weeklies, continue to climb in readership as the paid-for dailies, now mainly Subsidised, Woke and Left, continue their slide.

Christchurch’s free weekly newspaper, the Star, this week tells its market that total readership of the Star and its other free weeklies in the Christchurch Press market area in total now ahead of readership of the Press.

“Readership” is an estimate from surveys. “Circulation” is number of newspapers sold or given away. Circulation statistics have been delayed by the pandemic.

In total readership, including the internet, the Christchurch Press in 2020 dropped 17 per cent to 288,000, according to the Roy Morgan survey. This compares with the latest circulation figures for the Christchurch Press from the ABC bureau, which are for 2019 (2020 circulation surveys were cancelled). In 2019, the newspaper’s paid circulation was down 15.66 per cent to 46,441.

Otago-owned Star Media’s regional manager, Steve McCaughan, says in this week’s Star that Christchurch Press readership has fallen, and that the Star’s free papers in the Press’s circulation area now have 15,000 more readers per issue than the Press.

McCaughan says readers want local news that’s “relevant to them that they can trust”.

Fellow Kiwiblog followers in Christchurch will likely agree that the Star contrasts with the Press: no Critical Race Theory type apologies, no Maori language bombardment, no multicultural columnists out to shame white readers, no Jacinda worship.
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September 10, 2021 12:19pm
- lifesgood
  
  That’s interesting. Auckland’s free newspapers are as woke as they come and are getting thinner and thinner. Soon they’ll be so thin they’ll disappear, hopefully.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:44pm
  - graham
    
    Actually, I quite hope they don’t disappear. The local Rodney Times (printed by Stuff) is still printed on old-fashioned newspaper, as opposed to the glossy stuff, and hence very useful for lighting my fire.
    
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    September 10, 2021 2:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Local – or at least South Island – ownership of the Star of Christchurch is the likely difference.
    
    The Christchurch Star seems to be doing well with advertising.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:09pm
- 103PapPap
  
  They also have Garrick Tremain who is the only cartoonist in the country who is happy to expose the PM’s lies.
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:26pm
Jack5

Republican Senator Tom Cotton on Biden Afghan policy:

…. it is clear the Biden administration is more concerned with the fact the Taliban’s new Afghan political leadership is entirely male rather than being almost exclusively composed of terrorists.

Cotton said Taleban Afghanistans’s new Interior Minister, Sirajuddin Haqqani, has a $US10 million bounty on his head from the FBI.
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September 10, 2021 12:44pm
Prince

I wonder how much taxpayers money the Govt has diverted to its leftie mates to slur Muldoon through the ‘Panthers’ fantasy.
I’m not watching it but I notice all the State TV advertising portrays Muldoon as an evil racist bastard.
Rewriting the fact that the dawn raids started under Kirk’s Labour Government.
The media ‘fourth estate’ has well and truly imploded, and is just another propaganda arm for Labour.
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September 10, 2021 12:52pm
MrTips

Fancy a bit of sun? Like the odd machboos?
Then Qatar’s the place to be.

60% of the country has antibodies to COVID and infection severity is low. Furthermore, only 1 in 10 previous infections were picked up.

Their CFR (note CFR, NOT IFR) is 0.25% and they’re struggling to find cases and dead people.

There’s even a job for Stephieboy.
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September 10, 2021 12:59pm
- surfing
  
  If you like lefties… half of the woke nz media seem to work at al jazeera these days.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:51pm
Wired-one

So Woodhouse wins his bet for a bottle of wine now that Robertson has requested and been approved for another $41,000,000,000 in spending on top of the tens of billions he has already borrowed for Covid-19. Add to that the job losses and all those thousands of canceled operations and treatments, does anyone still think this is all worth it?
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September 10, 2021 1:08pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, Woodhouse didn’t win, because no one from Labour was prepared to bet against him. They all knew Robertson would be going to the Parliament in sackcloth and ashes, with his begging bowl.
  
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  September 10, 2021 1:49pm
Ra Henare

The Governments mantra is “follow the science”

Can anyone point me at the science that recommends mandatory wearing of masks to inhibit the spread of Sars2.

Especially as the Science says SARS 2 is transmitted by aerosol not just droplets.
I can support inhibiting droplets by masking in commuter tubes.

But in Dress shops??
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September 10, 2021 1:17pm
- [email protected]
  
  Went out today for only the second time since lockdown started. Everyone I saw in my Whangarei outing was wearing a mask.
  
  I was dutifully wearing my N95 mask but it was far from comfortable. Luckily I didn’t have to wear it for very long.
  
  Told the guy at the retail outlet we were visiting “it must be horrible having to wear a mask all day long “. He agreed. I really feel sorry for you guys and gals having to wear masks all day.
  
  I’m still not convinced that wearing a mask provides any protection for anyone but would like to thank those poor souls required to do so for their efforts to try to protect others.
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:10pm
ABS4EVA

Christianity – like Islam – has its “Taliban” … we could call them the Talibangelicals. They’re relatively rare here in New Zealand, but very prominent and powerful in the US

How Many People are being Murdered per Day by Christians?

As I recall in the Syrian Crisis all they did was attend to the Sick and Needy. Basically what Christ did in Syria – the First Christian Country and the first Country to use the Term Christian.

Most Syrian Moslems did not have a problem with that.

The problem is not Christians it is people like you
and YOUR IGNORANCE and you have had a problem with Christians doing that kind of thing
for over 2000 years.
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September 10, 2021 1:38pm
WaveyDavey

Vaccine rollout stats

Doses delivered by date

01/09 – 90,743 – Peak jabs
02/09 – 89,915
03/09 – 87,175
04/09 – 78,202 -14%
05/09 – 38,843 -57%
06/0 – 66,630 -28%
07/09 – 72,893 -15%
08/09 – 67,947 -25%
09/09 – 61,574 -33%

See if you can tell where the panic about vaccine stock kicked in

Also, how is any of the last week or so “continuing at the current rate”?
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September 10, 2021 1:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It doesn’t matter, they are not going to open up NZ any time soon (probably not in 2022, so no point in rushing to get the jab given it has very limited life anyway. You get better protection from waiting 3 months or more for 2nd jab, and effectiveness seems to drop away to FA within about 6 months anyway.
  
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  September 10, 2021 4:43pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Who can tell with the different messaging coming from Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins?
    
    One thing’s for sure I’ll be going overseas “on business” sometime in the next 6 months as I have interests overseas. My partner is even currently suggesting that we relocate to Europe if Aussie stays closed and I’ve been looking to buy a property on the Med for a while
    
    BTW, there are no studies saying that “effectiveness” (ie dying or serious illness) falls off after 6 months – frankly if/when I get it and don’t get seriously ill I don’t care.
    
    Also, so what if a booster shot is needed, again I don’t care
    
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    September 10, 2021 5:43pm
Tony Stuart

Another potential terrorist nipped in the bud?

A teenager has appeared in court charged with threatening to kill non-Muslims.

The 19-year-old appeared by audiovisual link at North Shore District Court this afternoon, one week after a terrorist went on a stabbing frenzy in New Lynn.

His name and identifying details are suppressed until at least next week. The Herald opposed name suppression.

He was charged with threatening to kill members of the Auckland community between July 13 and September 7.

He also faced two charges of supplying or distributing an objectionable publication on August 5.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-teenager-in-court-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-non-muslims/BJX2XDBTIVNE34DTWTS5BMMKOU/

What the heck is going on in this country?
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September 10, 2021 1:51pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ll wager there is more of this than we know about. Thankfully this one was caught before acting out.
  
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  September 10, 2021 2:21pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    If a former PM talks forties, you could bet London to a brick numbers have risen not fallen.
    
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    September 10, 2021 3:33pm
- MCos
  
  “What the heck is going on in this country?”
  
  The ether is full of death threats. Fortunately thus far, with one exception in recent times, no fatalities have resulted.
  
  Back in 2015 PM Key revealed around 40 extremists were under surveillance in NZ; some of them 24/7.
  Were all these people deported if they were not NZ citizens?
  Did they leave the country of their own account?
  Are they still under surveillance?
  Have their actions over the years never caused them to come before the courts as the chap in the article has?
  
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  September 10, 2021 4:48pm
JohnnyOverton

Our extremist, liberal/libertarian middle class centre left/centre right establishment, & our legions of fanatical wokeist stormtroopers sure have a lot to answer for.

https://www.unz.com/ghood/why-do-leftists-celebrate-white-decline/

Believe it or not, I found this link on the life style leftie Bradbury’s daily bog site.

People of European descent are conducting a genocidal war against their own culture, kind & history, who need enemies?
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September 10, 2021 2:06pm
- JohnnyOverton
  
  From the link posted above;
  We have a twofold struggle. First, we must respectably, respectfully, and rationally win over those whites who don’t think demographic change matters. The racial revolution of 2020 continues; most whites are sick of hearing about race, but progressives won’t let up. All whites will be forced to take sides, whether they want to or not. When forced, most will take their own side.
  
  Forget covid, the future of our nation will be decided by the above & of course, the continuation of our freedom to speak freely about this crucial matter.
  
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  September 10, 2021 2:36pm
dcrane

Great meme:

“Sure I’ll take the vaccine
just mail it to me. My
health and safety are too
important to show up in
person. Just like mail-in
voting you know, safe,
secure, and honest. So
just mail it to me and I’ll
send the paperwork
back saying I’m
vaccinated. You all trust
me, right?”
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September 10, 2021 2:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like cross-cultural foster care will soon be a thing of the past in NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/126341067/iwi-leader-disagrees-with-judges-call-to-leave-mori-girl-with-pkeh-caregivers
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September 10, 2021 2:10pm
- SilverSurfer
  
  I wonder if Mr Tomoana would have the same opinion if he was personally held responsible for every child that was put back in the hands of iwi and can guarantee that they are safe, secure, stable and loving homes….
  
  A close family member has 3 foster kids(as well as 2 of her own) they are 3 out of 9 from the same mother all have been uplifted not one member of the extended so called whanau put their hand up to take them on,after 3 years they are now happy, healthy kids in a loving home(A European one)
  Until Maori address the bigger picture and problem(not colonialism) they are just going to continue going in one big circle…
  
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  September 10, 2021 2:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Next issue: what happens when the child is of mixed race, as a high proportion will be?
  
  Does the Maori birth parent’s family have priority over the non-Maori birth parent’s family?
  
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  September 10, 2021 4:12pm
  - SilverSurfer
    
    A good question for sure, In an ideal world it would be the most suitable home and best out come for the kids regardless of ethnicity, but seems we dont live in this mythical ideal world your quess is as good as mine.
    
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    September 10, 2021 6:08pm
ABS4EVA

Australian Police in NSW

trying to out do their friends in VIC

The Communist Police State
Run by a Friend of Cindies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMha-fef8RM

Medical Exemption for non mask wearing

People who have a Medical Excmption
have a……”Medical Condition”

So they cuff him stress him and he goes
into Cardiac Arrest

Likewise Hassling Pregnant Woman

Like what is gained if they Miss Carry

The reality imho is one reason COVID is out of
Control in AUs is the average person is

SH*T Scared of the Authorities

So people only comply now if they really have to

Cooperation with the program Forget it
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September 10, 2021 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis raises an interesting question….

As extended Lv4 lockdowns remain in place, are we more likely to see a rise in the number of ‘home births’ among certain communities, due to the practice of uncontrolled inbreeding?

A
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September 10, 2021 2:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps the in-bred members of the tennis club will have to take their chances.
  
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  September 10, 2021 3:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    time for ‘new balls’ ya reckon 😛
    
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    September 10, 2021 6:51pm
- MCos
  
  Look up the stats from last year’s lockdown.
  
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  September 10, 2021 4:13pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Yep, spike in births to coincide with lockdowns. Def.
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:18pm
krazykiwi

Woke book-burning

A Canadian school board burned 30 ‘problematic’ books. Are you scared yet?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/09/woke-book-burning/
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September 10, 2021 2:51pm
- SilverSurfer
  
  It appears at least one down ticker has the matches ready KK
  
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  September 10, 2021 3:02pm
- doggone7
  
  In 2019 they burned some books. Used the ashes for fertiliser to grow trees. Some books got rid of because of racist aspects of them.
  
  When they dug holes for the trees in the school grounds did they come across the remains of First Nations children buried there or was that in other Canadian institutions?
  
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  September 11, 2021 7:39am
Sacha

Wow, I checked in, and found that I had to log-in to comment.
So did everyone else, but I saved you all the bother, once I was in, you all came too!

You’re welcome!
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September 10, 2021 3:03pm
Sacha

Didn’t need to tell me 300 times!
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September 10, 2021 3:04pm
Jack5

Rocket Lab USA, the New Zealand-formed space company is rocketing away on the Nasdaq exchange.

It’s shares hit 20.74 today, a 37 per cent rise in a day.

The founder, Peter Beck, was reported to be almost a New Zealand dollar billionaire when the company’s shares listed a few weeks ago. Now he must be a US dollar billionaire as the share price has doubled.

Meanwhile, Rocket Lab reports it has now launched 105 satellites.
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September 10, 2021 3:59pm
RW Capitalist

after promising not mandate mask wearing (now doubling the fines)
after promising to NOT mandate the vaccine.
Is this Biden’s “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment?
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September 10, 2021 4:06pm
Jack5

China slows down its drive on English-language learning.

But no word on its Maorification plans.?

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/china-s-veer-away-from-the-english-language-could-be-costly-20210910-p58qem.html
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September 10, 2021 4:17pm
cmm

Another person regretting she waited for the vaccine… Look what a fattie she is!

“The vaccine is like a bootcamp for your body”. Yeah, she’d know what a bootcamp is!

Come on, the role of massive obesity is the unspoken elephant in the room.

It would be interesting to see what the BMIs are for all the people in hospital in NZ. Or would that be racist to find out?

https://www.tiktok.com/@atasteofalex/video/6996371221910670597?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
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September 10, 2021 4:47pm
cmm

A pack of lone wolves?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-teenager-in-court-charged-with-threatening-to-kill-non-muslims/BJX2XDBTIVNE34DTWTS5BMMKOU/
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September 10, 2021 4:53pm
greybeard

Danny Watson: single-handedly ruining Magic Talk.
No Sean, no Peter, the whole thing which used to be so good has now collapsed into a spineless mess.
Thank Christ for Hosking and HDPA.
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September 10, 2021 4:55pm
- Inandout
  
  grey, we have Leah in the mornings and she at least brought up the Wiles fiasco. She also alluded to getting weary of the lockdown. If she pushes the boundaries she will have one cast iron defence..she is a woman of colour. On the subject of ‘what now’ Watson well he implies he is lucky to have a job so like Marcus Lush he ‘complies’.
  
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  September 10, 2021 6:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Heavens to Betsy…

Now our Director General of Health is an expert on swimming!

Dr Bloomfield said he received an explanation from Dr Wiles.

“I’ve had a message from Siouxsie who described what happened. From what she told me, it didn’t sound like protocols were breached, and I don’t think that the person who went into the water what they did could be described as a swim,” he said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/ashley-bloomfield-defends-siouxsie-wiles-maskless-beach-visit-as-judith-collins-labels-her-hypocrite.html

Well, I can assure Dr Bloomfield that he is wrong.
Professor Nicola Gaston is swimming breaststroke for quite a few strokes…admittedly it is not modern Olympic-style Breaststroke… but she’s definitely swimming..and you can see the point in the video when she begins to stand/feet touch the bottom.
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September 10, 2021 4:57pm
- kowtow
  
  Wiles broke the law.
  
  Bloomers is a liar .
  
  Robertson tried to move the questions along .
  
  They demand we trust and obey only them ?
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Wee Ashley seems to be a tad gullible, in this day and age of verification via the internets he could easily get an assistant to check whether Siouxie is lying to him or not.
  The days of plausible deniability are long gone.
  And real issue was not her buddy swimming it was the fact they were caught outside their bubbles sans masks, the very masks these hypocrites insist the peasants wear at all times.
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:29pm
- greybeard
  
  You have to wonder how Bloomfield’s family and friends put up with his facile performances.
  Do none of them have a quiet word in his ear?
  Or better still give him a real blast?
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:36pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Heh, he’s on $500k per year, they’ll be keeping their heads down…
    
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    September 10, 2021 5:55pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    I can assure you that a large number of people in the medical profession are unimpressed with the current Director General of Health’s spin on all matters health and the rather overt politicisation of his position.
    
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    September 10, 2021 6:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let us recall what our Dear PM ordered us to do when we went into Lockdown 4 – Delta Version:
  
  Unnecessary trips outdoors have spread the variant overseas, she said.
  
  Ardern advised people to wear a mask when leaving the house, and stay two metres away from others.
  
  “Stay local, do not congregate. Don’t talk to your neighbours.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300385012/covid19-what-a-move-to-alert-level-4-means-for-new-zealand
  
  And how is a “bubble” defined?
  
  Under level 4, all New Zealanders are asked to shelter in place in a “bubble” that only includes their immediate household or dependents. They can only leave the house to buy food or medical supplies, to access medical care or for socially distanced exercise.
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/17/new-zealand-to-go-into-national-lockdown-over-one-covid-case
  
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  September 10, 2021 5:51pm
  - kowtow
    
    The key is whether the other person , the swimmer , lives alone and is in an exclusive bubble with the Wiles’ bubble .
    
    But in any event , not a good look for Wiles whose telling us all what not to do and yet appears to hold herself above her own advise for the rest of us Plebs.
    
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    September 10, 2021 6:39pm
- Cinematic
  
  I think Nicola has quite a nice swimming style. As evidenced by the video of her swimming.
  
  Not sure what planet Ashley is on.
  
  On Earth we call what Nicola was doing swimming.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:49pm
ABS4EVA

Have we not been through this before

FOR THE LAST XX FN YEARs?

New Zealanders want VIOLENT Crime Addressed

New Zealanders want The Gang Issue Addressed

Now we have The Terrorist Issue

These SCUM BAGS in the Bee Hive

These Low Life Gang Funding Blow A r s e s
Grade a BS artists

ARE GOING TO DO NOTHING

ZERO ZILCH NADA SFA

Their Fingers like their heads will be firmly implanted up their useless over paid

SOCIALIST BACKSIDES

If fact all they will do
IS MAKE A BAD SITUATION WORSE

Because that is all they are EXPERT AT
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September 10, 2021 5:31pm
CAKE FACE1

For the record, I’m LOVING Ms Collins piling into the socialists recently.

The smack down she did on that idiot interviewer the other day was class.

Her comments in relation to the awful Pinky are legendary.

This is the Crusher Collins we want and need.

I hope she continues to smash them.

The Lefty’s can’t handle criticism – Crusher needs to go at them with both hands. Combinations to the body and head. Bob and weave. Power punches.

Chase them down, Crusher!!!
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September 10, 2021 7:11pm
- Cinematic
  
  They’re such a spineless feeble bunch despite the blind support of the msm.
  
  Wiles warbled on in an article tonight about ‘disinformation’ but wasn’t able to actually point any out.
  
  Take a hike Susie, your time is done. Hypocrite.
  
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  September 10, 2021 10:41pm
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