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Tony Stuart

Why is this story about the bloke who escaped from the Auckland quarantine facility not leading on every news outlet in the country today?

Newshub can reveal the man who allegedly escaped from quarantine (MIQ) earlier this month was released early from MIQ and sent home without spending a full 14 days in a facility.

And it’s not just him. The Ministry of Health admits quarantine facilities in Auckland aren’t yet following strict new 14-day Delta rules because of capacity constraints.

Meanwhile, the man who allegedly cut and ran from quarantine has spoken about his ordeal for the first time.
“I’m just happy I’m back home,” he said.

Newshub has obscured his identity as he has name suppression and can’t discuss the alleged escape as it’s before the courts.

Wednesday was supposed to be his 14th and final day of mandatory isolation. The rest of his family is still in quarantine but he’s been holed up at home since being released on Saturday – just 10 days after testing positive for COVID-19.

Not only was he set free early, but he wasn’t tested.

That’s not what’s supposed to happen. The Ministry of Health told Newshub because the Delta variant is more infectious, it recently increased the quarantine period for COVID-19 cases from 10 to 14 days.

But in Auckland, the epicentre of the Delta outbreak – they’re only phasing that rule in when capacity allows.

So after just 10 days, the man was sent on his way with a letter to prove that this time he was allowed to go home – saying he’d completed his required isolation.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/covid-19-alleged-quarantine-escapee-sent-home-after-just-10-days-without-being-tested.html

This is a sick joke, surely. The bloke tested positive for Covid, was taken to a quarantine from which he almost immediately escaped. He was arrested by the police 10 hours later, and now he is rewarded by being released from quarantine four days early, and untested.

Something is very wrong with the management of our MIQ facilities. You’d think that was newsworthy, but so far only Newshub, via Jenna Lynch has picked up on it. Maybe it didn’t fit the narrative established at the Monday meeting the PM’s media minders have with political editors…
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December 16, 2020 8:01am
- The Other Enoch
  
  $55m x 2. ‘Nuff said.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:04am
  - coge
    
    This NZ tax payer funded media are pretty skilled at sticking their hand out. I guess it’s the only way they can remain a going concern.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:11am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Umm, well, cough, $55 million I guess.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:04am
- Warren
  
  Because our Government and Media are politically corrupt and can only see one thing the power to rule a dictate on peoples lives.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:07am
  - igm
    
    Maybe this article clarifies a few things:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/09/16/israels-health-minister-mistakenly-blabs-the-truth/
    Seems she is more dangerous than we thought.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:15am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      So effectiveness has dropped to under 40%.
      
      Was is Saint Ashley of the Pox got to say about that.
      
      Is it safe, what are the long tern effects?
      
      How effective is it with Delta?
      
      How long does it last, before we need booster shots?
      
      It is safe because we say it is safe.
      
      Fell across the 6 O’clock news yesterday on my way to Netflix, stopped watching years ago, nothing interesting or useful.
      
      Was shocked at how much further it has dropped, wall to wall covid fear porn, blatant propaganda.
      
      How did it come to this.
      
      One of the companies I contract to are pushing me to get vaccinated, push come to shove I will move on.
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:56am
      - Fletch
        
        Even Hosking, who appears to be all in favour of the vaccine, said a couple of days ago on his show that the govt is fighting a delta virus with an alpha tool and expecting it to work.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:39am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I record it and then zip through all the crap and Simon whathisface inflicting hokki kikkee Nanu intros so to get to the weather.
        
        Last night Dan the wet seaweed man with the terrible fitting mismatched clothes, did most of the presentation in te reo.
        
        It was excruciatingly painful with the forced facial expressions and adeptness of someone reading Janet and John in maori while simultaneously trying not to shit himself on screen.
        
        Too much for me, wound back and watched on silent at the pictures.
        
        Too much TVNZ just too much. Out woking the woksters makes worse tv than the overpriced amateur shit you usually dish up.
        
        All hail Netflix!
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:48am
      - riffer
        
        Maori is an official language of New Zealand. It’s Maori language week. You don’t like it, turn the telly off or move to a country overseas where white supremacy rules.
        
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        September 16, 2021 2:02pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        So is sign language.
        
        I am giving you the finger as I type one handed
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:23pm
- curry4me
  
  Tony Stuart: Lucky he has no ACT, or National connections. Then, it’d be ‘news’.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  He actually absconded from self-isolation prior to being arrested and put in MIQ, from which he almost immediately escaped. But you see Tony, he’s not white, entitled or rich, and doesn’t have a lawyer girlfriend or a judge for a mother, so the opportunity for maximum embarrassment and pile-on is not so titillating.
  
  Did you notice the language used – “allegedly cut and run…” and “spoken about his ordeal for the first time”? The poor bugger, probably a victim of colonialism too, bless.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yeah; “his ordeal”; what about the ordeal of Aucklanders, in their fifth week of not being able to go to work, or school, or open their businesses, or make an honest buck?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Well, let’s just say “make a buck” and leave it there…. 🙂
      
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      September 16, 2021 12:02pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    He says he’s happy to be home, but his family remain in isolation.
    
    Not exactly Family Man of the Year.
    
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    September 16, 2021 6:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  Tell me again how much it costs the economy each week to have Akld in lockdown Level 4.
  These clowns running MIQ facilities must be constantly reminded of this.
  The fact that they released a confirmed Covid-19 infected person who was also a prior escapee from MIQ two days early and without testing prior to release is beyond belief.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:21am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Check the leaked Curia poll which uncle DPF runs. National is in terminal decline and at this rate will be happy to cross 5% threshold. Cindy’s clown party is at 45%. So who cares what it costs the economy. The unwashed are happy to be in lockdown.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:23am
    - Nick R
      
      It wasn’t leaked. The poll was commissioned by the Taxpayers Union and they then published it. Of course, DPF is deeply involved in both TPU and Curia. Which begs all sorts of interesting questions…
      
      [Mod – be VERY careful about casting aspersions on DPF’s character; this is your first and final warning]
      
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      December 16, 2020 10:14am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Oh, really? Why don’t you start us off with a couple.
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:31am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Thing is, SCS in order for those without a penis to change their views it has to start hurting them in the pocket. The only way this reverses is if we get a period of economic stagflation.
      
      Beetroot and Grunter will pull out all the stops to ensure this doesn’t happen till the Queen is on her way to New York.
      
      In the interim – Welcome to New Zimbabwe.
      
      P.S. Got your wedding invite yet?
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:06am
      - Paulus
        
        Weddings off, as not enough overseas media can get accommodation in isolation hotels in Level 4 and the wedding is in Level 2 still I assume.
        Cannot have without the overseas luvvies although they are waining with love for her.
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:30pm
    - Lance
      
      Full pay while spending all day on the couch watching Netflix…. Cindy’s the best.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:08am
      - Paulus
        
        I look at the tax free capital gain every day in my million dollar sales house without having to do anything.
        Expect another 25% in the next year – thanks Grant and Cindy.
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:32pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      You’re right. When I last looked at Jacinda’s Facebook page a few weeks the comments could be broadly split into 3 categories:
      1. Please let us out of lockdown I can’t live any longer without takeaways
      2. Please keep us in lockdown, I want to spend another month in bed/on Playstation.
      3. Love you Auntie Jacinda look after yourself you are doing a great job, wish you were in my country.
      
      So there we have it. People who can’t exist without takeaways, people glad they don’t have to work but still get paid, and 3 year olds mostly from other countries who love “Auntie Jacinda”.
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:04am
      - pdm
        
        `wish you were in my country.
        
        Hollyfield – if you are not currently living in NZ then so do we.
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And why did the man have to relieve himself into a plastic bag?
  In a statement, police confirmed the man was given a bag as a toilet.
  
  Honestly, if the authorities are having to deal with “infected” people, then perhaps they need to organize some better protocols.
  Had the man been offered the choice of going to the toilet at his home before he was arrested?
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:27am
- ecco
  
  You could tell what race etc that guy was who escaped, even though his voice/identity was supposed to be disguised on those media clips. Didn’t surprise me.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:28am
- Frank the tank
  
  Like the work and income beneficiary that absconded to Whakatane…..
  
  Must have been Maori otherwise why was this story buried yet the white people to Wanaka story amplified?
  
  Mugabe like corruption from the feckless. Welcome to New Zimbabwe Tony
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:31am
  - John Pakes
    
    Off topic Frank, but yesterday you falsely called me a liar. I called on you to apologise, so far I have seen nothing.
    Come on, man up, it should not be not too hard
    for you to admit that you were wrong.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:05am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Poor little snowflake wants an apology does he?
      
      Computer say no.
      
      Time to grow up there little Jonny…….
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:08am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Get over it John – it happens to everyone from time to time.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:39am
    - miltonF
      
      If you demand an apology it’s probably not going to be genuine. Apologies come from the heart and not from decree.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:35pm
  - Mrs_Right
    
    The witch-hunt continues on the Wanaka couple…
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:21pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Government and the Main Stream Media are the Enemy of the People.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:28am
- WaveyDavey
  
  But I thought only Rich White Pricks could get name suppression
  
  I’m sure that’s what the media was telling me yesterday
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Today they’re telling you that most Whites get suppression, or, well, at least more proportionately than Maori.
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Team of $55million.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:03am
  - igm
    
    It is hell of a lot more than $55m spent promoting Labour propaganda . . . and we are paying for it.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:38pm
Warren

This Government is a walking disaster and if it wasn’t for the female population of New Zealand and Jacinda Ardern spin masters they also would be at record lows in the polls.
COVID-19 Coronavirus Delta outbreak:
Thousands of deaths experts warns unless vaccinations get to 90 % or above.
People have short memories when it comes to diseases and epidemics under Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister’s watch and the handling of the Meningococcal disease in Northland when her team didn’t order enough vaccines and children’s lives were put at serious risk because of this incompetence, then there was the Measle epidemic that was exported to Samoa through her and her staffs incompetence with a serious breach of trust between the two Countries.
But no the female population fell in love with our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern dispite her lies and promises to get Justice over serious sexual abuse from a deviate working out of her Office,meaning no mater what she did or decided she could do no wrong in their eyes.
So it will be interesting to see in months to come when many of our Tourism Operators and small businesses go to the wall over the lockdowns and the Economy tanks to a all time low where housing and jobs will get harder to find or afford how many lies and innuendo will be pushed at the opposition as a excuse for their incompetence.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-thousands-of-deaths-expert-warns-unless-vaccination-rate-gets-to-90-per-cent-or-above/ASYXNGBO4C755VATQ2VHCOOVNU/
Haven’t we heard this same argument from Shaun Hendry at the beginning of COVID-19 that thousands would die if we could not achieve elimination of the pandemic and how many did die,a very small number and I realize it is one to many but scaremongering from our Scientists and leaders is a step to far in a quest to be selfish all through Political Power.
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September 16, 2021 8:00am
- Ra Henare
  
  Meningococcal disease and Measels export.
  Just to keep the record straight
  Dont blame Jacinda
  
  Blame the Director General of Health.
  Politicians are about policy.
  
  Civil Servants ie Dr Bloomfield are about operational things. The two items you mention along with lack of flu shots & PEP& Vaccines etc etc etc are at his feet
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:16am
  - Warren
    
    When you are the Leader, Prime Minister and mouth piece of this Country the buck stops with you.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:39am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Politicians at Jacinda’s level are required to take responsibility for what their actors do. That goes with the kudos and paygrade. Those without the nous and capability to be an executive are unfit for the job and a fraud on the Office.
    Government is not about representation but action.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:56am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Kev. They aint that dumb. IMHO the Agenda is driven by Cindys ambition to be the UN Sec Gen.
      
      It goes like this.
      1. They are a majority Government so can pass legislation alone.
      2. They have an extremely radicalised Maori Caucus.
      3. They know the vast majority dont understand constitution or governance principles.
      4. NZ does not have a written constitution.
      5. They are banking on “saving the “80,000” to get them across the line 2023 probably needing Green and Maori Party support.
      6. They know once the legislation is in place together with the machinery that goes with it it will be very hard to unwind.
      
      The Agenda is to be the first country in the world that enacts the UN Indigenous Programme where the Indigenous population no matter how small have a 50% say in governance at all levels and can veto and over rule in many cases.
      
      I give you He Puapua Three Waters and the Maori Health Authority as the first 3 pieces of the jigsaw puzzle.
      The plan is to have the basic building blocks in place by the 2023 election.
      
      Sadly the Sheeple wont wake up until their hip pockets are raided. When they start getting large invoices from their local Iwi demanding payments for all sort of (cough) “Services” and told they have to pay up only then will they wake up.
      
      Too Late.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:18am
      - tf78
        
        lastmanstanding, did you see The Bolt Report last night where he interviewed Dr Muriel Newman about Jacinda Ardern turning New Zealand into an apartheid country and how dangerous this is. Very good interview, I hope lots of people in NZ watched it for some truth as to what’s going on here.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:39am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        They also have a duty to govern. Having a majority is not sufficient. The PM’s personal ambitions cannot affect her duty. She was not appointed to sabotage the State by promoting hidden policies on the scale of a Maori takeover of NZ’s water and assets. That would have needed prior authorisation at an election.
        
        With that duty comes the obligation to manage and care for the nation and to be held accountable. They are also appointed as the Queen’s Ministers.
        
        An MP is not an honorary title but it the assumption of power and duty. They need to be capable as executives, a very hard ask. Once Heads of Depts helped but they seemingly may be little better now relying on external consultants.
        
        Ministers ultimately take responsibility for the outcome from their portfolios. The PM takes responsibility for the totality. Getting side tracked on political issues is no excuse for lack of performance of fundamental duties. Where are the houses? A corporate employee would have been sacked ages ago. Those who take the glory also have to take the kicks.
        All Ministers must be able to discern, think, decide and execute like top executives. Advisers are not executives and do not take responsibility. Ministers get paid to consider advice and possible reject it, pursue other policies and initiate action.
        
        MMP has got NZ into real trouble putting “representation” about executive management. Factionalism could destroy the peace of NZ.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:57am
      - Fletch
        
        Yeh, Bolt was very concerned about this govt creating apartheid here –
        
        https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=184077183799035
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:11am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Umm, I think the PR spin is that Ms Ardern is a ‘new kind’ of leader…
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:55am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        So was the Pied Piper.
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:08pm
  - mudrunner
    
    I agree. While politicians provided poor gaols and have floundered around, an effective bureaucracy would hold up the government. The real failures are the bureaucrats. They have not. Whether MOH, defence, MBIE Police or DHB, medical professionals, logisticians or administrators. There seems to be no one providing leadership. Lots of meetings are not leadership.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:00am
- cmm
  
  Those “thousands of deaths” are perhaps inflated, but that wave will happen.
  
  And now they have their scapegoats in place – all the unvaccinated people.
  
  As for Hendy’s original modelling, it suggested that the outcomes would similar lockdowns or not. All the lockdowns would do is flatten the curve (spread things out). Over-effective locking down does not flatten the curve.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:26am
  - PhilBest
    
    I said right back in April 2020 (as did Sir Bob Jones) that NZ will never be as hard hit as Bergamo etc and the modelling is garbage.
    
    Environmental factors are massive but this whole pandemic is so politicized that real science such as UV, ozone, humidity, wind strength, pollution and their effect on viruses has been shoved down the memory hole.
    
    The modelling tossers said Sweden would get 95,000 deaths if they didn’t lock down. They got 11,000 in the year in question and excess mortality is debatable.
    
    I would adjust that prick Hendy’s figures down by a similar factor – cut it 80% – and then halve it again for NZ’s environmental advantages.
    
    If any country in the world should follow the Sweden example it is us; because we are never going to be as bad as them, let alone as bad as Bergamo Mar 2020.
    
    Jacinda over-ruled the MoH in Mar 2020 after listening to hysterical friends overseas. Our MoH people may well have worked out the actual science I refer to; when did any of the northern hemisphere flus ever come to anything down here?
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:24am
- Taieri
  
  Haven’t we heard this same argument from Shaun Hendry at the beginning of COVID-19 that thousands would die
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  Nothing has changed. Thousands will still die, even with high vaccination rate, if the borders are opened. A least according to yesterday’s uttering from another famous Professor of Clairvoyance Michael Plank from the University of Dystopia…
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:31am
  - WellingtonBFF
    
    I’m confused, are there two planks and are they short? The evidence would indicate so…….
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:01am
  - RichardF
    
    How many thousands, though? 2,000? A death rate of 0.0004%. These experts need to stop with the scary language. Literally millions of Kiwis will NOT die when Delta gets in. I don’t think Hendy’s 80k prediction is credible.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes over the next 5 years thousands of people will die from COVID in New Zealand. But 150,000 people will die from all causes.
      
      The government cannot admit that the vaccines will wear off after a year or so. They provide a valuable buffer against serious illness and death while the virus becomes endemic but that seems to be it.
      
      It is astounding that seemingly nobody in the media has picked up on this. Most folk I mention this to literally do not believe me. They think that they will be vaccinated and then be “safe” from Covid for life. I guess the government has a working group figuring out a solution.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:07am
      - PhilBest
        
        It gets worse, we are meant to get a “booster shot” but of what? By the time we have them, the virus will have evolved again. Will we be expected to submit to booster shots that are only any good against last year’s virus anyway? That is what it sounds like to me
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:29am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Yep, I tried telling someone this, and they actually got upset and a little personal.
        
        My point was: We are not really avoiding anything, and sooner of later the bandaid comes off. Nor is Covid the black death, even though we are raising the drawbridge and keeping families walled up like 600 years ago.
        
        People who are otherwise sensible still seem genuinely fearful of covid, yet arent fixated on all the other ways to die.
        People die, and the cause of death varies. The older you are, the greater the potential you will die of something.
        The excess mortality evidence is not really clear enough to make the case that we are doing the right thing at all around managing this virus.
        
        I was bemused to hear a panel on one of the radio stations lamenting our recent covid death (so sad!), and super happy with how we are doing, “Thanks to the government”, and the ongoing efforts to save lives – yet minutes later, on the zero road toll, were saying how we must accept ‘people die’ and it was unrealistic to target zero deaths, and we need to realise such facts around the use of the road.
        
        The complete flip to a polar opposite around being resigned to loss or not was stunning, yet they were all in completed agreement.
        Like I said, these SEEM to be otherwise intelligent people….
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:16pm
    - I remember when
      
      Scotland and Sweden suggest our pre-vaccine deaths would have been around 7500.
      If all of the 65+ portion of the population were vaccinated that would cover 90+% of the tally.
      Let’s say 750 possible deaths, then allow for further vaccination and improved treatments – even Ashley is talking ‘a cocktails of treatments’ now.
      Leaves something around 300-400 for a starting point.
      Other suggestions.
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:17am
      - Taieri
        
        Scotland and Sweden suggest our pre-vaccine deaths would have been around 7500.
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        Scotland and Sweden suggest nothing. Using your logic Israel suggests that our pre-vaccine deaths would have been 3700. Figures for Hungary and/or Czech Republic would suggest 15000. You can’t estimate possible fatalities this way.
        Different strokes for different folks as they say…
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But no the female population fell in love with our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern
  
  I suggest you remove your misogynist blinkers.
  
  Many men must be supporting Jacinda Ardern and her Government.
  
  Think hard about the identity of the trolls on this blog who always leap to our Dear PM’s defence.
  
  Have a look at the name of some of the sycophantic MSM journalists.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:32am
  - Prince
    
    In that poll, National has 28% of the male vote, Labour 35%, Act 22%, Greens 8%.
    
    Female vote, National 16%, Labour 56%, Act 8%, Greens 11%.
    
    So Warren has a point. Labour/Greens are 42% ahead with women, and 7% behind with men.
    Just another division in an increasingly divided country.
    
    Thanks to Taxpayers Union for the analysis.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:55am
    - tf78
      
      I would like to know exactly who is polled – resulting in these convenient numbers for Labour each and every time. I can not believe so many people are so dumb.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:48am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Sadly they are. The truth hurts but it is unfortunately the trust.
        
        Remember many more in our sister country of Zimbabwe loved rather than hated Mugabe. The same applies for New Zimbabwe.
        
        Those without penises on the whole love the Blairite.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:11am
      - trout
        
        Sorry to say this but Judith Collins has to go now. For whatever reason many right thinking women have a visceral dislike for her. This is not going to change. Her presence, alone, is enough to put the brake on the trending fall in popularity of the Labour party. Give Luxon a go, he cannot do any worse; at least he has something of a public profile and his management skills may be able to rebuild National Party team; a change from the rabble of malcontents that are undermining Judith.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:18am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        trout, Judith probably has to go, which is a shame.
        I think she would do good for the country, but she serves NZ better by handing over the reins now.
        
        Going after the pink haired leviathan that is Wiles shows she has failed to read the room.
        Wiles basked in the same sort of support from the Covid fearful and grateful: she was the NZer of the year! (gag).
        And the taint of Slater, again rightly or wrongly, bad bad form.
        She could have kept out, or made veiled comment, and the use of the word ‘fat’ was poor judgement to boot.
        The camels back is long broken.
        
        But Luxon? Nothing I see from him gives me hope. Just Labour delivered on a slower train, woke, pandering, soft.
        
        Who is the answer? Dont know. it is a real shame there is no clear option. Paula I like, Chris Bishop, even Simon.
        But every one of the potentials (or non-candidates) would just be turned on by the super-critical media attack hounds.
        However, Judith seems about done, and lost what little traction was made.
        Change the leader before the next election. Start moving someone up now.
        A damned shame, as Crusher was a persona I could relate to.
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:54pm
    - I remember when
      
      And that just re-enforces the Roy Morgan figures.
      No more than 3 in 10 women support National/Act.
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What is wrong with those men to like that flibbertigibbet?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:59am
  - Interested Party
    
    He may be referring to the fact that in all the polls a significant majority of women support Jacinda, where as a minority of men support her
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:00am
    - doggone7
      
      The stats which Prince posted has Ardern’s support from women at 56%. Is that a “significant majority of women?”
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:29am
  - GJM
    
    The sycophantic media “journalists ” are soy boys anyway, so don’t count as men, no matter what they identify as.
    The poll yesterday from the TPU showed very clearly that Labour support is 2:1 female. If Andrew Little was boss, they would have nowhere near the support
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:00am
  - WellingtonBFF
    
    Same thing happened with the mask touting scientist Wiles, clearly indicates she knows masks really do nothing. Must have reverted back to her 2020 mask opinion. Regardless protected by the media…………
    
    Word on the street is she only went to a deserted beach because it has the word desert in it………….
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:05am
  - Crazy Ivan
    
    >I suggest you remove your misogynist blinkers.
    Hahaha, I suggest you remove your blue tinted blinkers.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:43am
  - Yabster
    
    Hi Maggy
    
    there is no getting away from the fact the majority of woman support Labour/Jacinta -obviously many men also but not in the same numbers- from a female point of view what do you think the attraction is? (I am aware you are not in the majority).
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:00am
    - bronny1
      
      i think it is that many women are not that interested in politics and so what they have historically seen of it has been the nitpicking at each other and the seemingly ridiculous question time and ridicule. It seems like an old mans club like Rotary or something. So they see someone who speaks to them and they are in love.
      Personally there is nothing that turns me off faster than being spoken to like an infant.
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:12am
      - Yabster
        
        yet they vote? so what are the voting on policy or a “nice” female smile?
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:35pm
      - bronny1
        
        Yabster – i didn’t say i understand them. I’m just saying that the women i speak to (I am one myself) that love JA have no interest in politics. They vote on the toothy smile and most importantly the fact that she “brings kindness into politics”.
        Of course there is nothing kind about her, but these women contrast “Be Kind” with the sniping of “middle aged white blokes” and she gets the tick.
        Perhaps people should have to pass a course in what policies each government has before they vote. of course, Liebour will just lie anyway and she is convincing.
        
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        September 16, 2021 2:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It was a mistake to give women the vote
      
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      September 16, 2021 6:41pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Curia poll has Labour+Greens getting support of 2/3rds of women.
    National+Act have support of 1/2 of men.
    
    NZ politics are diverging strongly along gender lines as women seem to be voting for borrow and spend parties.
    
    FYI approaching 2/3rds of public sector work force + beneficiaries are women, so maybe this result shouldn’t be surprising. Vote yourself rich.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:11am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Fact is, not all women are Jacindamaniacs. Obviously a few (I live with one!) cannot stand her.
    
    But in terms of a tribal in-group bias, it is plain that a lot of support if from women.
    The TPU sponsored poll confirms what is pretty obvious, and queries how Nats anc ACT can appeal to women.
    
    I do not underestimate the effects of the Women’s magazine glamour shots, the media fluff pieces, the fact she has a baby & works (cough), she is ’emphatic’: that Branding gives cover to a massive amount of Labour incompetence and ideology.
    
    It is not misogynic at all to say so, that is a bit lazy MW – kind of like saying your opinion is ‘racist’.
    
    Judith is a woman too, but who is being held up as a role model for women?
    Cynical manipulation of Jacinda’s gender is working well.
    
    It does little good to point out Judith’s gender, just like Simon and Paula being Maori didn’t count.
    Not the RIGHT kind of woman, not the RIGHT kind of Maori.
    
    So I would be betting against the odds if I said to a female, “Jacinda Ardern is frigging awful”.
    Fact, sadly.
    Lackwits like Muttonbird don’t change it.
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  Add to the above, the Welsh Doctor who was working in NZ but was forced to leave the country because his visa had expired and despite his application for citizenship the Asst Min of Immigration (Twyford) declined his request. But that’s not all, Twyford at or around the same time granted NZ Citizenship to three convicted (in NZ) criminals.
  All this plus Warren’s comments and these incompetent bastards lead in the polls. Something has the stench of corruption lingering overhead..
  MSM, please cease sending me sign-up requests for your malicious and politically biased products.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:40am
  - oldfella
    
    But Nick, at least we know stuffed has no hidden agendas. They’ll report on everything without fear or favour.
    
    Stuff is committed to representing te ao Māori in our reporting and being a trusted partner for tangata whenua. Our company kaupapa has Te Tiriti o Waitangi at its core.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:32am
    - pdm
      
      Stuff is also staunch on pushing climate change or Nature as I prefer to call it.
      
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      September 16, 2021 12:44pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Stuffed are welcome to fry in their own juices but don’t come back to the taxpayer for any more handouts. Biased bastards!
      
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      September 16, 2021 3:03pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    I personally know another two Welsh doctors who arrived in NZ shortly before Covid hit. They were unable to even apply for residency, and knowing there was a large pool of people ahead of them in the queue even IF the Government did decide to open up applications, they lost hope they could ever be permanent residents in NZ. Despite wanting to make NZ their permanent home, two months ago they gave up and returned to the UK.
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      Sad isn’t it? Never mind though, Chinese Acupuncture works well with all ailments I’m told.
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:48pm
- John Pakes
  
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  I am starting to understand you Warren, nee HappyChappy.
  As long as good men like John and Bill are in power, all will be well.
  The problem arises when a woman is elected to power, because then the women of New Zealand go all gaga over cuddles and kisses and cannot see the truth as strong men do.
  Judith must go.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:10am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I enjoy it when protagonists such at Batman and Ian Boag (while I usually disagree with them) offer reasoned alternative thought.
    
    Unfortunately John you don’t offer that. At all.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:20am
- Observer of Life
  
  Warren: I know a lot of women who cannot stand Ardern. But sadly, there are a lot that think she’s just ‘amazing’.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:31am
Vory v zakone

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September 16, 2021 8:00am
greybeard

This Maori Language Week is great.
It spurred me to get out all of my old French textbooks and brush up on a real language.
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September 16, 2021 8:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I had a zoom meeting yesterday with a public sector client in Wellington. There were 5 public servants and me and a private sector project manager guy in Auckland.
  
  They spent 5 minutes talking about what they were each doing to promote Maori language week. Then they sang a Maori song. These were all non Maori. I blanked my screen and my microphone until it was over.
  
  No I wish I was making this up.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:15am
  - Chris R
    
    The next time you are flying domestically in NZ you’ll be advised of the destination in an unfamiliar language after being welcomed aboard in an unfamiliar language etc.. I understand that in other countries English is the predominant language used in aviation. Aren’t we special?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:19am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Pidgin English is not an Official Language in NZ.
      Some govt usage is close to unlawful.
      Mixing in Maori with English, is that English?
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:02am
      - alloytoo
        
        It does neither language any good.
        
        Smattering Maori words in English conversations is cultural appropriation.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:06am
      - kowtow
        
        alloytoo
        
        I consider it to be racist paternalism .
        
        “Look a’ me , white guy/gal pretending to be nice and caring about the natives”
        
        Meanwhile , I’ll make sure I send my kids to a “nice” school , and live in a “nice” neighbourhood .
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:33am
      - KiWombat
        
        “Manglish?”
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:44pm
    - Than
      
      A thought for your next domestic flight. Some of those trivia questions they post as in-flight entertainment are written in both English and Maori. When one of those does come up, look at the individual words in the sentence, and consider how many of them would have been understood (or even the concept understood) by pre-contact Maori.
      
      It’s one demonstration (there are plenty more you can find) of what a farcical fiction the modern Maori language is.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:05am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        I’ve seen suggestions to practise by ordering your next coffee in Maori, like this
        
        https://www.massey.ac.nz/student-life/māori-at-massey/te-reo-māori-and-tikanga-resources/te-reo-māori-pronunciation-and-translations/ordering-coffee-in-te-reo-māori/
        
        A quick look will tell you how ridiculous this is. I doubt there were too many lattes being sipped while they were waiting for everyone to finish signing the Treaty of Waitangi, but all the translations are just pidgin variations of the English word. What’s the point?
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:20am
      - Taieri
        
        When one of those does come up, look at the individual words in the sentence, and consider how many of them would have been understood (or even the concept understood) by pre-contact Maori.
        ————–
        
        To be fair, many of these words wouldn’t be understood by pre-contact English either. As many of them simply didn’t exists at the time. The problem is not the Maori language as such, but the bastardization of NZ English. It will not help the former but will greatly damage the latter.
        
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        September 16, 2021 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    5 state sector dropkicks being paid to sing a moari song – what a neat job//
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Umm 5? Try 20000 doing that this week
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:30am
    - RichardF
      
      It’s not just the public service. It’s happening in corporates too.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:27am
      - Yabster
        
        yep and NFP’S
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:02am
      - alloytoo
        
        Indeed, one benefit of lock down is that it’s much easier to ignore.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:07am
  - cmm
    
    Benedict, you seem to be a very bright guy. Surely you can find a place to add value to society outside of these government types?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Someone needs to do their work.
      That’s why the Public Service uses contractors.
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I mute the Maori songs, do the work and get paid. It’s no big deal for me.
      
      Why do I tell you this? Because my intuition is most of the men and women who are doing this stuff and singing these songs actually hate doing it. But if they say that it is career death.
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:50am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Interesting Benendict I understand it was like that in Joe Stalins government. Like if you didnt toe the line you were off to the death camp.
        
        Lefties only know how to rule by fear and threat. I understand little Cindy is a right handful behind closed doors when she cant get her own way. No kindness then.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:37am
      - surfing
        
        I find maori culture to be inefficient. They waste time singing songs , greeting / farewelling, telling stories, and have excessively long rituals .
        
        Typical… cost many thousands just to bury a turtle, should have cost zilch. . .
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2105/S00147/there-and-back-again-taxpayers-shell-out-for-epic-turtle-journey.htm
        
        I can’t be bothered with such things, and find maori proceedings to be boring and pompous.
        
        The maori seem more concerned with who you are, rather than what you know.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:44am
      - rouppe
        
        It is career death especially for mid level managers who are the most at-risk if any laying off has to happen.
        
        Our workplace is “encouraging” the specifying of one’s pronouns in the email signature. I’m ignoring them for now…
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:52am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        I work at Govt. dept a couple of years ago. My practice lead said we would start with a song in Maori before all meetings. I emailed back that i wouldn’t participate.
        It happened once… I didn’t join in.. Nor did others when they saw I wasnt joining in. It was never tried again.
        
        Moral of the ancedote: dont do it. It only takes a few to refuse and it stops….
        
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        September 16, 2021 5:52pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Ben, they’ve been doing this shit in Govt entity Board meetings for a couple of years now. Maori greetings, a wee sing along. It’s all bollocks, and run by people, mostly who are relative newbies (and dare I say it, women) and who are looking for a power base.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:30am
  - Nickc2
    
    Did the song include a chorus anything loosely like this “nga mihi ki te kaiarahi aroha” (all praise to dear leader)?
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:02am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Waiata practice takes up a lot of time in the public sector as do anti-discrimination seminars.
    Real work is an afterthought.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:08am
    - graham
      
      I work for a large corporate, and often think that if some of the staff put as much time into doing their actual job as they put into writing posts and organising events to support Maori Language Week and Pride Festivals, we’d be able to trim our workforce by 10%.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:53am
      - Nickc2
        
        Only 10%? I’m assuming you don’t work for/with the Public Service?
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:35pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Heh, do we work for the same company?
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:07pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Alex, real work has been an afterthought in the Public sector for decades. Many years ago, as a consultant (yep, one of them nasties!), I ran part of a Government department for roughly a year. Glide time was a thing. Staff turned up at say, 7.30 a.m., sat down, had breakfast and read the paper, then started work about 9. Which consisted of having a chat with your mates for half an hour. At 10:00, the rostered morning tea started. And off they would traipse. But the early roster would stay through the second roster! So you’d get an hour and maybe a half of work out of them in the morning. Of course, then there was their glide time. Off they would go at 3.30 (they’d supposedly worked through their lunch!) or 4.00. Unless there was a big restructure, getting rid of anyone was an absolute mission, and bloody time consuming. I managed to encourage a few to leave by telling them breakfast and paper reading didn’t count as work! On Fridays, the office was empty by 2.30 p.m., including the receptionist. I answered the phones and dealt with anyone at reception! I kid you not.
      
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      September 16, 2021 12:09pm
      - Batman
        
        I can report that this scenario has long since disappeared in about 90% of the public sector.
        
        The remaining 10% are quietly being pushed to retirement as quickly as their PSA collective agreements will allow ?
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:16pm
      - Yabster
        
        b/s Batty- you know how all public sector establishments are run do you? Mybe the place you work has pulled its socks up but most are stuck in 1970 and are unionised to the hilt.
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:39pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Thanks for that Batman, it’s been a long while now.
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:47pm
      - pragmatist
        
        Cool story.
        I’ve been in public service coming up 30 odd years now and manage a number of staff.
        Own my own business also which I manage as well.
        By far the most problematic staff I’ve had to manage is weirdly those in my own gig. My current team are extremely driven and often go beyond what is expected and what they are recognised for, utmost professionals who put themselves in positions everyday which would probably make your toes curl in terms of personal risk, they just get on with it. Dealing currently with a couple of staff in particular in my own business at the moment and getting them off their arse unbidden and off their phone is a constant battle. If they were in my other team they would either be shamed into stepping up or moved on. There’s a lot of public service roles where we rely on each other literally for our lives – there is zero space passengers.
        So I guess there’s good and bad staff in both public and private sector. But the folk I have dealt with in my time have never behaved like you describe. Perhaps your just making shit up for laughs.
        
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        September 16, 2021 4:49pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    I spat my coffee out and nearly pee’d myself reading that Benedict .. but deep down know this has gone beyond a sick joke!
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:34am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Waita for Zoom meeting initiation – good grief.
    
    A Zoom meeting is not an entry into a marae, with such protocol where swapping songs and speech making might be part of a more formal event.
    
    Turning a business meeting into circle jerking.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:02pm
- G152
  
  But it comes with a scribble face and a gang membership.
  Who wouldn’t want in ????
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  In our New World Order , down Oamaru way, that would probably get you banned and labelled.
  
  ‘Racist comments on a social media post celebrating Maori language has led one Southern council to warn people they will be banned if they follow suit.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/%E2%80%98you-will-be-banned%E2%80%99-council-says-it-will-not-tolerate-racism-online
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Banned? Typical socialist behaviour
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:59am
    - doggone7
      
      Yes, a district council banning racists who are posting racist comments on its Facebook page is terrible. Typical socialist behaviour all right.
      
      Reasonable people would give the racists their head and accept their free spirit.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:12am
      - Liberal Cliche
        
        Oh no hurty words on teh interwebs how will the once were *cough* “warriors” survive…
        
        smh.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:48am
    - alloytoo
      
      Banning, a little something they’ve culturally appropriated from apartheid South Africa?
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:09am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Also from the ODT …
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/response-flouting-law-called-‘cruel‘
    Get a grip New Zealand!!!
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:40am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I suppose even scepticism, or negative comments, about Maori language week, about value for money or questioning the aims at all are by default “racist”.
    The bar is pretty low these days.
    
    Hence why ‘Hate speech’ is something to be concerned about.
    
    Even being less that enthusiastic around a Zoom waiata might be enough to be a target, if you let that slip.
    I used to wonder what it was like to be standing and clapping after a speech from Stalin, you better pace yourself and have strong legs – as the first person to sit down could be noted as a dissenter.
    
    Best wipe away a tear after the Zoom waiata, and say “Ka pai whanau, that was powerful, moving stuff…time well spent, without a doubt!”.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:14pm
- Paulus
  
  I have just been told that there is more than one Maori Language in different parts of the country and the Teachers of the language teach from their their own sector or Marae or Iwi.
  When for example a Maori speaking child from down country goes to live in the city they have no understanding of the different dialectics of the their compatriots part of the language.
  I always thought there was only one Maori Language like the different in interpretations of their whakapapa.
  Assume the Maori dictionaries are of only one official interpretation like the written history.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:40am
  - Trev
    
    Yes there are plenty of dialects though some are dying out. Most of the dictionaries etc. focus on Waikato & north vocab and usage. My father a fluent speaker who worked around the country including as an interpreter spoke a number of dialects and was once berated for speaking in the Waikato dialect by some elderly Ngati Porou rather than using the dialect of his birth/upringing which was in Tai Rawhiti. (he told me that he often used the Waikato dialect as he thought a broader audience would understand and that using his classical Ngati Porou only a few of the older generation knew some of the words and got the nuances)
    BTW I think some of the pointless insertion of Maori words and phrases in MSM is cringeworthy. Often the pronunciation is poor and the comments out of context/unnecessary. It reminds me of “Play School” the TV programme for infants.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    I was told exactly that by a Maori language tutor who was in hospital with me.
    
    He’d grown up somewhere in North Island, taught there for many years and had recently moved to Christchurch to continue teaching.
    
    To paraphrase: “If we didn’t have English I couldn’t communicate with SI Maori.”
    
    Look at South Africa. There are 9 official Black African languages. Of those, most are Nguni languages and are partially mutually comprehensible to an extent (Xhosa, Zulu, Sotho, South Sotho etc). Xhosa and Zulu are similar enough to get your point across, but also different enough to start a fight.
    
    Calling Maori a language is really like calling Nguni a language. It is not really accurate – it is more of a language grouping of multiple languages/dialects.
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:05am
- oldfella
  
  greybeard, I heard ‘Wiley’ Jackson this morning explain that at the moment there are only 180 thousand fluent Te Reo speakers in NZ, but they’re aiming to reach a million by 2040.
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  September 16, 2021 10:37am
krazykiwi

Sky News’s Andrew Bolt not mincing words on New Zealand’s worst PM in living memory.

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/andrew-bolt/bolt-arderns-woke-politics-leading-new-zealand-towards-a-form-of-apartheid/video/827393fdb1c67863fe8931349939ff44
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September 16, 2021 8:03am
- BAM
  
  The women of New Zealand disagree.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:08am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Those without penises has a better ring to it and more apt to the parody of Animal Farm we are living in…….New Zimbabwe
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:26am
    - BAM
      
      Why would women want to vote for National?
      
      It’s being shown by the media to be a party filled with creepy misogynistic males that have little to no respect for women.
      
      You may not agree, but that’s how women feel about the National party, there’s is no ignoring this.
      
      This mindset has to be turned around if the National party is going to survive, you can’t be seen as repugnant to 50% of the population and think you’ve got any chance of winning.
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:39am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Fair call. Can’t disagree with your comments.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:22am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        A couple of things BAM. Firstly, saying “that’s how women feel” is a bit of an over statement. Many women maybe, but not all. Secondly, “Shown by the media”. There you have it BAM. Less than 50% of NZ’rs actually trust the media. So who is doing the trusting? It’s more creepy that there are intelligent women around that buy into what you are saying. But then, very very bright women (who should know better) pretty much fall to their knees in front of Ardern. So no surprises I guess. But guess what? The worm will turn. It always does.
        
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        September 16, 2021 2:54pm
  - Yabster
    
    Not all- but a significant number have fallen for the spin, the head scarf and the be kind message.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:40am
    - BAM
      
      So, the problem is that women are stupid and are easily fooled?
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:43am
      - James Stephenson
        
        The problem is that women are emotional and led by the “feels”, men are pragmatic and analytical and see the incompetence behind the platitudes.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:56am
      - Yabster
        
        Some women are stupid and clearly some men Bam… I think it is more to do with alot of woman identify with Princess for what ever reason and obviously agree with the direction she is taking the country.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:09am
      - alloytoo
        
        Stop projecting your soft misogyny of low expectations.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:14am
      - Frank the tank
        
        It’s more nuanced than that.
        
        Don’t for a minute think the PM’s speech, actions and framing aren’t doctored for a preferred audience and reaction.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:24am
      - Observer of Life
        
        James S: Spot on!
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:45am
      - Yabster
        
        Alloytoo – you lost me at the word projecting wokster.
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:42pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        It’s evolution at play.
        
        Woman are, on average more content/interested in creating situations where there needs are supported in a comfortable way by others efforts – marrying ‘well’, and surviving on the prosperity of the ‘tribe’. They want a society that guarantees unwavering comfortable support above all else, and are most interested in social dynamics and hierarchical positioning as their abiding passion in life
        
        Men are, on average, more interested in distinguishing themselves from other males by efforts in various competitive endeavours (career, asset accumulation, sports prowess etc) to lift themselves up the hierarchy and increase their sexual attractiveness (no such thing as an ugly rich man). They want a society where they have the chance to shine and advance through their own efforts and are most interested in things as their abiding passion in life.
        
        This goes a lot of the way towards explaining the left/right gender political divergence we are seeing throughout the west as women progressively assert their numerical dominance over democracies (the young being the furthest left).
        
        Sadly women’s redistributive vote-yourself-rich preferences lead to an inevitable and likely terminal downwards economic spiral as we have seen played out in numerous failed democracies that have fallen into economically unsustainable policies that destroy productivity and create a destructive brain drain of most productive voting with their feet. Lose the hyper-productive 0.1% that create prosperity and economic growth and your country inevitably slides ever faster into the shitter.
        
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        September 16, 2021 1:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    The Female/Male total gap is wider than ever and can only continue.
    Well done Cindy
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:42am
    - Frank the tank
      
      The legacy of this administration will be the partisanship of New Zealand. The consensus politics that guided New Zealand post WW2 has been thrown on the trash heap over the past 18 months in a deliberate manner.
      
      We used to point and laugh at the divided manner of US politics. I’d argue we have already reached the same junction.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, I watched that also and felt sad for our country. Dr Muriel Newman laid out what we citizens are facing and it is a bleak picture. Bolt was somewhat astounded the government had purchased our MSM, and by world standards this is verging on how a dictator controls thought. Add the covid lady’s constant message on Demand and You Tube and the deal is done.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:13am
  - Jack5
    
    Muriel Newman, a woman – highly intelligent, highly educated, too.
    
    And a post or two above, BAM reckoned NZ women love Jacindarella.
    
    I meet plenty of New Zealand women who despise Ardern.
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:46am
- Yabster
  
  It’s really depressing what is hapening -an most NZers either are unaware or don’t care- I just don’t undersatnd the apathy. I urge all KB’s to send this sort of link to friends and family- and for them to send it on etc- At least that way people can be informed -the media aren’t going to do it.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:38am
- Critical Thinker
  
  No other Prime Minister has damaged New Zealand’s finances, social fabric and freedom as much as Jacinda Ardern. There isn’t a close second.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:24am
- doggone7
  
  Who the hell is Andrew Bolt and why is he so interested in New Zealand? I appreciate he has all the answers for sorting out Australia and it is generous of him to throw his sagacity our way, but really?
  He regularly gets at New Zealand. It’s like the teenager who can’t be the leader of the pack and pissed off, goes to where the 7 and 8 year olds are and bosses them around.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:39am
  - Yabster
    
    So it has to be NZer that comments on NZ does it Dog? Makes sense in your little world- maybe we should all stop having opinions on Trump etc Lets all look inward shall we….
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:45pm
    - doggone7
      
      Anyone can comment on anywhere. But some intellect from a massive country often having a go at NZ?
      
      It is like the kid who can’t get in the high school 1st XV playing with the 8 year olds telling them how they should be doing it. Why doesn’t he play with the big kids in his own neck of the woods? I appreciate everything is probably so wonderful in Australia that his wisdom is not needed there and he is being really kind in helping us.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:11pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        Bolt is doing the NZ media’s job.
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:01pm
- jon
  
  Very astute man is ANDREW BOLT. SKY News is blessed with talented presenters. Make the presenters on our channels look very ordinary.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Jon, there has to be something worse than ‘very ordinary’ surely?
    
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    September 16, 2021 3:18pm
Yvette

Misinformation and the actual Health Minister Little’s statement, and even Arden’s
With the recent spread of misinformation, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has asked that people use the Covid-19 website and listen to experts like Dr Ashley Bloomfield.
“They’re the ones who really know and understand this virus and they’re trusted sources of information.” [1]

From Ardern and Bloomfield to now the Chief Coroner, [2] we are warned against misinformation, while “Foreign media misinformation pushes ‘Saint Jacinda’ from her pedestal” [3]

But in this strong effort to stem the spread of covid disinformation, no one in Government has “absolutely refuted” the statements of their actual Minister of Health –

Andrew Little: Like to see 90% vax rate before restrictions can ease
But Andrew Little to Mike Hosking he’d like to see the vaccination rate hit the high 90s, so a raft of restrictions can be removed. (their lapse in grammar, not mine)
“Not just us moving around inside the country, but people coming into the country. We can change the rules around managed isolation, we can let more people in, all those sorts of things.” [4]

And the Prime Minister herself – Arden said she wanted New Zealand’s vaccine rates in 2021 to lead the world. [5] which means surpassing the United Arab Emirates – vaccinated 92%, fully vaccinated 81% [6]

[1] https://www.facebook.com/RadioNewZealand/videos/pm-on-covid-19-misinformation-listen-to-the-experts/352572152409122/ – with accompanying video in which Ardern waves her hands around more than the sign-language woman in the inset.
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300407444/covid19-chief-coroner-says-theres-no-evidence-an-auckland-teenagers-death-was-linked-to-vaccine – Chief Coroner says there’s no evidence an Auckland teenager’s death was linked to vaccine (although – Chief Coroner Judge Deborah “Marshall said it could be a number of months before the final post-mortem report was received and all information relating to the death was obtained”)
[3] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/covid-19/450850/foreign-media-misinformation-pushes-saint-jacinda-from-her-pedestal German Anke Richter – perhaps worth a read.
[4] https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/andrew-little-health-minister-would-like-to-see-90-percent-vaccination-rate-before-restrictions-can-ease/
[5] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/451121/covid-19-briefing-spain-supplies-nz-with-250-000-extra-vaccine-doses
[6] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
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September 16, 2021 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  “I’d like to see 90..” and “vaccine rates to lead the world” are examples of platitudinous Follow The Feelz™, bugger this follow the science mumbo jumbo.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:30am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Set impossible target = performance failure = no result (no restriction easing).
    
    Isn’t this the general working formula for this government.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:41am
  - Yvette
    
    Krazykiwi
    Yes, perhaps it is spontaneous crisis-speech, a little like “The first thing is I’m here to give you absolute reassurance, we’re committed to getting the boys out, and nothing’s going to change that” (video evidence) [1] or “They are us” when 51 people are brutally murdered, or “When people ask, is this a Covid Election, my answer is yes, it is” [2] when there were a few other issues around, mainly of non-delivery of policy from the previous Election.
    
    [1] https://thestandard.org.nz/pike-river-new-video-footage-proves-key-made-the-promise-he-denies/
    [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-election-ardern-idUSKCN254046
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:06am
  - Paulus
    
    I will be amaze to see 75% as am hearing such as a huge family who will shun the Vaccination.
    They are well educated well paid white intelligent women.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    And related, not more than a week after applying to have their novel mRNA-based vaccine licenced for children Pfizer Set to Seek Approval for Its Covid Vaccine in U.S. Babies This Winter.
    
    Babies now. So many shoulders. So many boosters. So many ways to print money with zero liability.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:17am
- cmm
  
  This is the feelz-world we’re on.
  
  Wanting something is enough. Wanting something is called a plan, when it is really no more than a dream. No need to actually deliver.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who then do hold responsible if the reports that vaccination itself is creating further cases turns out to be true. Now it seems the “vaccinated” may be at even greater risk.
  
  This should be a time of great caution not epidemiologists nightmares. They have become overly anxious and lost their ability to see the wood from the trees.
  Two month babies to be vaccinated (apart from standard)?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:12am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The reason for the 90% vaccination rate is they know that wont happen so they keep on with lock downs as long as they want using fear porn that 80,000 will die if they dont lock down. The plan is to socalise the country by having most Sheeple dependant on the Government for their incomes.
  When you have them by the wallet their hearts and minds will surely follow.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:42am
- DeepBlue
  
  I found it interesting that one of the polls yesterday surveyed what people thought about opening on a 90% vax rate. So it seams like hus is the world leading target JA is aiming for.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:45am
Tom Barker

Where is the outrage from the environmental movement at the impending extinction of an iconic native species? The NZ National Party is on 21 percent!
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September 16, 2021 8:07am
- G152
  
  You get that result with selective polling.
  And liebor bought the fake news.
  The nats have nowhere to go
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:19am
  - Warren
    
    How can you say that when our hosts company Curia conducted one of the polls that had National at the low figure of 21%.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:36am
  - Bevan
    
    The polling was done by Curia
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:39am
  - Isobar
    
    You do realise this poll was released by known left-wingers the NZ Taxpayers Union?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:40am
  - Crazy Ivan
    
    >You get that with selective polling
    Hahaha he doesn’t know.
    The Nats are the new Peter Dunne (done?) party, and will drop to that level of support.
    Judith will beat Bill’s 2002 record, Cindy will get a 3rd term.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:38am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah I am wondering how much of this is a result of the team of $55million media campaign against Collins over the last month.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:47am
    - jon
      
      And whoever leads the Nats in the future will continue to receive the same negative coverage from the leftist MSM.
      
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      September 16, 2021 2:35pm
- Isobar
  
  The ACT party are within striking distance now of overtaking National now, they have the momentum. This is massive, before the last election any talk of Act having more than one MP, let alone potentially becoming the biggest party in oppositiont would be laughed at.
  
  If nothing changes, within the next few months they are on track to overtake National in polling. Nothing like this has happened on the right since the time before the National Party was formed in the 1930’s.
  
  Interesting times ahead.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Good
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:37am
  - virtualmark
    
    That’s in part though because the voters haven’t yet really studied the MPs who’d come in with an Act government.
    
    Seymour and van Velden are good. I’m waiting to be convinced by any of the (anonymous) others. History suggests that Act is selecting its MPs from an even shallower pool than National is.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:29am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Nicole McKee is third on the list, and has done good campaigning around firearms owners rights and getting out into the community (and still is).
      And if that seems like a narrow-topic focus so far, then I compare her as a new-comer to so many other long term MPs that only push their racial or gender/sexual identity as a primary agenda.
      Career politician, Nanaia Mahuta’s stated proudest achievement not too long ago? A chin tattoo apparently (but in 2nd term, now He Puapua is out of the bag….)
      
      But in any case, really, when you look at Labour, by the time you get down their list beyond the top 3 they get truly abysmal and even positively dangerous.
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:39pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I’m happy to wait for this 2020 Act intake to prove themselves.
        
        But history says that when Act gets a big surge of MPs into the House most of them turn out to be lightweights at best, one-platform ponies for most, and liabilities at worst. There have been some good ones (Franks, Hide), but equally some bad ones (Awatere-Huata for example).
        
        Let’s wait and see if this 2020 intake is more able.
        
        Oh, and I agree with you that practically all Labour MPs are uninspiring too.
        
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        September 16, 2021 3:09pm
- MrTips
  
  This has to get an uptick – despite Tom being a cloth capped Communist, it is a rather amusing shot.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:10am
- oldfella
  
  It’s okay, Tom, the end is nigh for Judith Collins.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126389309/the-end-is-nigh-as-judith-collins-stumbles-once-too-often
  Unfortunately, I suspect there are a plenty of Nats in parliament who believe this kind of cr*p, and think getting rid of Judith will solve all their problems. (Yeah, right!)
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:56am
2ic

I keep seeing articles in the media about only 1% of Covid deaths in England this year being in the fully vaccinated – and some references to such articles hear on Kiwiblog by proponents of the vaccines. For example:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-just-59-deaths-in-england-this-year-among-people-who-were-healthy-and-double-jabbed/TGOATAGHNPU6VLILHHK5P55HNQ/

These articles are used to promote the effectiveness of the vaccines, but when you dig a little deeper into the data you will find they are completely misleading.

If you look Covid-19 deaths in the UK, you will see the vast majority of their deaths this year were during the second wave at the start of the year, when almost no one was vaccinated anyway. The UK started their vaccinations in January but only reached 10% fully vaccinated in April, at which time the second wave was over. So there were hardly any vaccinated people around during the second wave, meaning the vast majority of deaths could only be in the unvaccinated anyway.

I’ve put together a couple of graphs to show this at https://tinyurl.com/me6e8ndn (graphs generated from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=GBR)

To see what’s really happening in recent times in the UK, let’s look at the official data from Public Health England:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

I thought I’d use the data for <50 year olds, as a greater proportion of the older, more vulnerable population would have been vaccinated earlier in the year, so deaths would be skewed towards the vaccinated.

So I took the data from:

Technical Briefing 17: Table 4. Attendance to emergency care and deaths by vaccination status among Delta confirmed cases (sequencing and genotyping) including all confirmed Delta cases in England (1 February 2021 to 21 June 2021)

Technical Briefing 22: Table 5. Attendance to emergency care and deaths of sequenced and genotyped Delta cases in England by vaccination status (1 February 2021 to 29 August 2021)

And from this I worked out the difference in deaths comparing the vaccinated and unvaccinated for the period 21 June – 29 August for <50 year olds:

UNVACCINATED <50 Years Old
Cases: 160,143
Deaths: 66
Emergency Care Visits: 7,280
= Death Rate: 0.06%
= Emergency Care Rate: 4.55%

FULLY VACCINATED (≥14 days post dose 2) <50 Years Old
Cases: 58,714
Deaths: 27
Emergency Care Visits: 1,593
= Death Rate: 0.06%
= Emergency Care Rate: 2.71%

So the death rates are actually the same for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
Emergency care visits are lower in the fully vaccinated though – around 40% if you’re looking at Relative Risk Reduction. But this is nothing like the 90-95% the vaccine manufacturers are claiming.
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- 2ic
  
  (I made an earlier post on this that was incomplete and I asked a Mod to delete it. Apologies to any up-tickers and krazykiwi who commented on it before it was deleted).
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  but there is a problem with knowing the exact population of UK….and that seems to skew results.
  
  Well, where we have high vaccination coverage, it means we are very uncertain about how many unvaccinated people there are. Over 39 million adults have received at least one vaccine dose. NIMS figures suggest that leaves 10 million unvaccinated, while ONS says it’s just 5 million – a full 50% lower.
  
  https://theconversation.com/covid-19-why-infection-rates-among-double-vaccinated-older-adults-look-worse-than-they-are-167836
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:42am
- cmm
  
  Any stats like this should be read with caution.
  
  Most statistics assume two things:
  1) Random sampling.
  2) A similar population is being sampled.
  
  Neither of these is true for vaccine-related issues because:
  1) Vaccination is not random due to being both self-selecting (people choose to get vaccinated) and has been applied on a priority order.
  2) The harvesting effect means the population changes from wave to wave – the early wave harvests the most vulnerable so the second wave faces more resilient people and finds fewer victims.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:58am
  - 2ic
    
    That’s why I chose the <50 year old figures, because it excludes the vulnerable elderly that were the target group for the early vaccinations.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:21am
- dannz
  
  You’re using total case numbers, not delta case numbers.
  
  I read the tables you refer to:
  
  Technical Briefing 17: Table 4
  Delta cases Unvaxxed >50 : 976
  Delta deaths from these cases: 38
  Fatality rate: 4%
  
  Delta cases vaxxed >50: 3546
  Delta deaths from these cases: 50
  Fatality rate: 1%
  
  Technical Briefing 22: Table 5
  Delta cases Unvaxxed >50 : 6725
  Delta deaths from these cases: 437
  Fatality rate: 6%
  
  Delta cases vaxxed >50: 51420
  Delta deaths from these cases: 1054
  Fatality rate: 2%
  
  The case numbers will be lower among the unvaxxed, only because there are very few of them left in this age group.
  
  So the vaccine reduces deaths by at least 60-75%.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:11am
  - dannz
    
    Further, if you look at the totals for all ages:
    Unvaxxed fatality rate ~1%
    Vaxxed fatality rate ~0.25%
    
    Then consider that the risk of actually becoming a case is somewhat lower if vaxxed.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:17am
  - 2ic
    
    The figures you’ve taken are cumulative from 1 February 2021. I’ve taken the difference between the figures in the 2 technical briefings to get recent figures for the period 21 June – 29 August. You can’t just use the absolute numbers the way you have.
    
    You’ve also taken the >=50 figures, mine are for <50 years old, for reasons explained in my original post.
    
    The figures on both tables are all for Delta.
    
    So I'm confident in my figures and conclusion, but others are welcome to chime in.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:16am
  - cmm
    
    “So the vaccine reduces deaths by at least 60-75%”
    
    As I’ve said many times before, the risks of death (and even the risk of severe illness) are heavily skewed towards very few people that have significant comorbidities and vulnerable.
    
    For those people, getting vaccinated is probably a good deal.
    
    For the majority of people who are generally healthy, the risks are lower so the deal isn’t nearly as good. Interfering with the natural immunity from being naturally infected could potentially cause people to have problems in the future.
    
    Now of course there are outliers. That’s why the news is filled with anecdotes – but they are few.
    
    Thus, almost all the benefits of 100% vaccination can be had with 10% vaccination – so long as the correct 10% are vaccinated. Better yet, the 90% of other people don’t have to carry the potential risks of being vaccinated.
    
    For that, we really need to be honest about identifying who is at risk from CV19. The government is exceedingly poor at communicating this. Cindy and Ash will burble on for hours without once saying “obese”.
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:52pm
curry4me

ASTERISK RESIDENCY: Episode 35.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, CDC, Nordstream, globalists, ‘academia’, FBI, CIA, NSA, the Taliban, and Cuba.
Last week on Asterisk Residency, the resident was considering vaccine mandates. Are they a case of your body, his choice? Wil Americans be sniffed, and jabbed? Is it Kabul Joe’s job to protect Americans in Afghanistan too? Are they still Americans? Was he in three different stated today? Were they unconscious, semi-concious, and disoriented? Does that make it just another day? Will Kabul Joe be able to take your guns if you keep them upstairs? Is it too late to put the poop back in the Donkey? How is that Bidenflation going? Is it worse than Carterflation yet? Was adding Quemala to the ticket like adding more garbage to hide the smell? Is State more concerned about the Taliban government’s sexism than their terrorist origins? Are they stale, male, and brown? Do some leftists collect mental illnesses like Pokemon badges? Are permanent wars good for defence stocks? Have Never Trumpers abandoned Kabul Joe? Are recall republicans being told they already voted? If Larry Elder wins, would it be a 10 on the Richter scale? Has Newsom solved any problems? Does the wine and food problem at the French Laundry count? Now Newsom has won, will even more people and businesses leave California. Should the last one out turn off the lights? $oros just called China a dangerous enemy. Is that like the pot calling the kettle black? Is Xi Jinping v $oros like Alien v Predator? In two secret phone calls, they report, Milley assured Gen. Li Zuocheng of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army that the United States would not attack Beijing. Is that treason? Doesn’t it count if it’s against the bad orange man? If Log Cabin Republicans give Melania Trump the Spirit of Lincoln award are they still gay? Is it AOCs responsibility to party with wealthy elite! She went to a $35,000 per ticket affair to stick it to the man? How does that work? Stay tuned folks!
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September 16, 2021 8:10am
- Ra Henare
  
  I am sure there is good info in your comment. But it borders on unreadable.
  Try splitting in to paragraphs to make it readable
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:40am
  - curry4me
    
    Ra Henare. OK, I will next time.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:14pm
- artemisia
  
  Very good, as usual. Just on the companies fleeing California, recent reports of 265 company headquarters leaving the state. Too many rules, high taxes and overall expensive, including for their workers.
  
  A change of governor would have been a hospital pass.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:41am
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    artemisia: It’s meant to be mostly parody, based on the 80s sit-com, Soap. You’re right about Cali.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:16pm
Ehlana

On Newshub and in the Herald this morning: Meghan and Harry named as two of the world’s 100 most influential people.

I don’t know who makes up this list, but are the New Zealand media really trying to tell us that none of the other 98 people on the list are worthy of reporting? If so, I wonder how influential they actually are.
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September 16, 2021 8:11am
- Tarquin North
  
  Surely Lorde must be near the top, she tries hard enough and her virtue signaling is amazing.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:28am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Yes, I noticed that recent signalling of all the drugs she’s used so far in her creative process. Outstanding role model for young people.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:11am
Critical Thinker

Informed Consent and Covid-19: Know your Right ?

Informed consent to medical treatments, including vaccinations, is required in New Zealand. The same is true in the USA, the UK, the EU, Australia, and Canada. However, these governments, together with corrupt drug regulators, have trampled on what were once sacred rules forbidding deceptive and coercive medical treatments, instead launching a multibillion-dollar propaganda campaign of dread and mass-panic to obstruct the right to informed consent.

In fact, claims of “95% effectiveness” are greatly overstated, since pharmaceutical companies and governments have skillfully utilised the extremely deceptive “Relative Risk Reduction” figures – while ignoring the genuine “Absolute Risk Reduction” value, which is less than 1%.

That is when the vaccination deceit begins. This brief 3-minute video presentation below explains this. A person must provide consent to treatment before receiving any kind of medical treatment, test, or examination. This must be done with the help of a clinician’s explanation.

To give informed consent you should never feel:
A) Coerced
B) Bribed
C) Threatened

Regardless of the treatment, whether it’s a medical examination, organ donation, or anything else, a patient’s consent is required. Medical ethics and international human rights legislation both rely heavily on the concept of consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR-NYrYyEls
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September 16, 2021 8:13am
I remember when

Driving assesssor: You drive very well but, unfortunately, I am going to have to fail you because you did 56 kph, at named point.
Except the assessor doesn’t have any real way of knowing what speeds the driver was doing. They are simply looking at the speedo and accepting the speed shown.
Fair enough, that’s what the 5 kph allowance is there for, to allow for known speedometer variations.
If the speedometer is more than 5 kph fast that is your fault – it’s your vehicle.
Paradoxically once you have your full licence it doesn’t matter what the speedometer says.
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September 16, 2021 8:14am
- Flossie
  
  What 5 kph allowance is this? We have been told there is NO tolerance allowance and you’ll be fined for a couple of kilometers over the limit. This was
  two years or so back?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:18am
- Happy1
  
  Driving test accessors have a gizmo in front of them displaying a camera of the driver and the GPS derived actual speed.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:48am
Critical Thinker

10 Facts

1) The origin of Covid-19 has been intentionally suppressed.

2) Treatments have been suppressed, leaving vaccination as the only option.

3) Dr Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, is on record saying the tests should not be used to diagnose virus cases.

4) The PCR test is unreliable and can be manipulated with higher amplification settings.

5) The common definition of a Covid-19 death is death of any cause within 28 days of a positive PCR test.

6) The New Zealand government has banned Covid-19 antibody/antigen testing.

7) New Zealand medical practitioners face investigation and can be deregistered, if they go against the vaccine rollout.

8) People who’ve had Covid-19 in the past are expected to be vaccinated, even though their immunity is actually higher.

9) Covid-19 death rates, particularly in healthy people under 65, are extremely low.

10) There is no logical reason to vaccinate healthy young people.
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September 16, 2021 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  Re 5.
  
  Victoria caught trying , again to use scare tactics re 20 something year old’s death . Really sick , died of heart attack . Only discovered he also had the Wu during post mortem .
  
  Note the HK experts question double jab for teens .
  ‘Expert advisers to the government on Wednesday changed their guidance on Hong Kong teenagers getting vaccinated against Covid-19, saying they only need one BioNTech jab instead of two.’
  
  https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1610745-20210915.htm?spTabChangeable=0
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:40am
krazykiwi

Good work, 2ic. I also drilled into this after reading some commentary that reached the same conclusion you have. That figure of 59 is completely misleading.
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September 16, 2021 8:18am
- 2ic
  
  Thanks. I messed up this post as the figures didn’t come out (I used some characters that were interpreted as HTML). I re-posted in full a couple of posts down, but here are the figures (21 June – 29 August for <50 year olds):
  
  UNVACCINATED <50 Years Old
  Cases: 160,143
  Deaths: 66
  Emergency Care Visits: 7,280
  = Death Rate: 0.06%
  = Emergency Care Rate: 4.55%
  
  FULLY VACCINATED (≥14 days post dose 2) <50 Years Old
  Cases: 58,714
  Deaths: 27
  Emergency Care Visits: 1,593
  = Death Rate: 0.06%
  = Emergency Care Rate: 2.71%
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:27am
Tony Stuart

I’m sure Harry and Meghan will be distraught at this news, given that they’re trying their hardest to avoid the media spotlight
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September 16, 2021 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Oops; this was supposed to be a reply to Ehlana…
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:34am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Sad to see this Tony, you are usually fair minded and well-informed and balanced in your comments.
  
  No, they’ve not said they never want to be heard of nor seen again. What they want is for some aspects of their lives to remain private. Thus, they do want to help create publicity for the good causes they support (do you have an objection to that?); they don’t want details of their and their children’s lives at home to be made public (do you think they should?).
  
  We’re always disgusted, rightly so, when the media report on Jacinda’s wedding plans, Neve’s favourite toy, Clarke’s favourite recipe. We do, however, think that Jacinda should front up and be more open about matters of public policy. We don’t seem to have any difficulty in that case, distinguishing between matters that public personalities should be public about, and things that they ought to keep private.
  
  Why is it so difficult to accept that publicity is acceptable, even desirable, in some circumstances and not in others, in the case of Harry and Meghan?
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:41am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You sort of have a point, but then….they are clearly attention whores from my viewpoint, family life and public opinions at all.
    If not, they could just fade away and live out their days happily in their solid gold mansion.
    Cancel their social media accounts, and only act publicly via those worthy organisations they do want to work for. That would be a good first step, if genuine.
    Some celebs can do good things, and keep a low profile. Good deeds for their own sake, as it were.
    
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    September 16, 2021 2:32pm
Brian McDonald

Here’s something “interesting” for you KK. Scroll down to read how NZ will be able to see how Denmark and other similar countries fare with their vaccination levels at optimum levels.
This begins to deal with a clear issue, is mass vaccination prudent with Covid rampant in an open community?
Most builders would know the answer if you equate covid to a borer infestation. Those that work with their hands appreciate the need for a good start. A covid carrier in the building team or borer in the wood is not a good start.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-middlemore-testing-ramps-up-epidemiologist-compares-nz-and-denmark-s-elimination-strategies/ar-AAOtRQX?ocid=msedgntp
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September 16, 2021 8:25am
- Cinematic
  
  It’s great a host of new vaccines are about to launch. As they are not rushed like Pfizer let’s hope they perform better at lower risk.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:33am
BAM

Ardern is a first in NZ politics, a popular charismatic young female leader.

She is so relatable to females it’s not funny, that on its own is going to be near on impossible to overcome by National and ACT.

You could try and replace Collins with Stanford but I don’t think it’s going to make much difference as my partner said, it’s still National but with a different mask.

I’m sorry to say but it’s not just as easy as replacing the leader, the actual brand is shot to bits, that has to be fixed first before anything else.

I think people underestimate the damage done to National by the parade of fuckwits we’ve seen over the last few years
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September 16, 2021 8:25am
- Frank the tank
  
  Everything changes when people are hit in the pocket – all that needs to change is our collective economic situation. That time is coming.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:29am
  - BAM
    
    What would National do differently to Labour that would make them electable?
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:54am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      BAM – how would you counter what is clearly a Labour driven MSM campaign to discredit National in the public’s eyes which is being funded by taxpayer sourced subsidies and advertising?
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:20am
      - BAM
        
        First of all, I’d call them out on it.
        
        But I wouldn’t just blather out, you’re all against me because you’ve been bought off.
        
        National has to be far cleverer than that, it needs to get proof to back up what they’re saying and it needs to strategize different outcomes and come up with effective counters.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:37am
      - Crazy Ivan
        
        >how would you counter what is clearly a Labour driven MSM campaign to discredit National in the public’s eyes which is being funded by taxpayer sourced subsidies and advertising?
        
        If only there was an example from overseas, where someone had all the media and establishment against them, but found a way to talk directly to the American people and managed to pull off a win?
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:51am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Sigh – I don’t disagree with you BAM. But isn’t that what Chris B just tried do with the Herald & Stuff. If the benefits of the other sides OPM purse is far more attractive than your own limited purse then the the MSM is still going to suffocate you at their will.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:18am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I’d argue from a macro level not much however the following is likely:
      
      1). Better value spending
      2). Less Maorification
      3). More transparency
      4). Commencement and completion of some infrastructure
      
      The thing is National still believes in consensus politics whereas the feckless media and the current government have tossed that out and now are playing partisan games.
      
      In essence National is going to a gun fight with a knife and seems bereft of any idea of how to acquire a gun.
      
      They need a Peters/Trump-like individual that is going to break through to the everyday person. There is no one in their current caucus possible of that. I thought Judith could however she just doesn’t have the horsepower unfortunately.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:35am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        It’s also difficult for her from the point of view that Cindy has Robo – the good cop/bad cop thing going which JC hasn’t really got with Shane, who is good, but not charismatic (bombastic?). The MSM also is going to try and twist everything she says (hypocrite comment is a typical example) whereas they leave Robo alone. I think the horsepower is there but as you say it’s not a level playing field.
        
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        September 16, 2021 11:57am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Yesterdays Q2 Current Account – GDP Ratio was -3.3% vs -2.6% expected. If today’s Q2 GDP looks sick I’m wondering how Robo & the MSM are going to try and spin it. Possibly try and use the YoY number which should be highly positive given it’s the comparison to the first lockdown period. I doubt there’s any question Q3 will be disastrous given the current lockdown when it eventually comes out in December.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:07am
    - yossarian
      
      Pfftt who cares. Jacinda doesn’t know anything about economics and doesn’t know what GDP is, do you expect that the people voting for her do?
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:36am
      - Mark
        
        Pfft how did Paul Goldsmith go on the economic facts and figures Einstein.Oh thats right a complete cock up.The ngats took careful aim and hit the target two villages over .Well done that team.
        
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        September 16, 2021 4:40pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Lol. Guess I don’t have to wonder any longer.
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:53am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Priceless ? I get a down tick for mocking my own judgement error. You really gotta wonder at times!
        
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        September 16, 2021 12:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    No going to happen before the election as Grant has been told to get another $41 billion printed last week.
    New Zealand appear to be awash with bucket loads of cash, except for houses in which to live, and increasing child poverty.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:48pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Bam-
  Depends on who you mix with, Bam.
  I live and work in rural as does most of my family – including daughter who loathes Jacinda Ardern. She says her female friends in the land based occupations also think our saviour is a joke.
  You have to keep working on a farm.
  These people who say:“Isn’t Jacinda lovely? We are loving the lockdown. It is so peaceful and relaxing not having to do anything or go out to work” – they don’t live in our world.
  I know that urban people don’t really give a toss for rural – but there is a whole different attitude out here. It’s just that we mainly keep our heads down and get on with it. We have learnt that drawing attention to ourselves and opinions – as with the Groundswell protest for instance – is not worth the hate..
  And the only political party which has even tried to connect with rural is ACT.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:48am
  - BAM
    
    That doesn’t surprise me.
    
    Rural women have to be very masculine and tough if they’re going to succeed in a rural enviroment, they won’t survive otherwise.
    
    Someone like Ardern is not relatable at all, that, however, is not the case for urban females.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:05am
    - Cinematic
      
      In your world BAM all you need to do to win the vote of a female in NZ is be a relatable female politician.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:38am
      - BAM
        
        Being relatable is one of the most important traits of being a political leader.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:57am
    - bronny1
      
      I’m an urban female and I can’t stand her – never could from the day I first saw her on Breakfast with Nikki Kaye. Perhaps we are just too different, I have a brain and no desire to be popular or shiny, and I’m self employed.
      
      Unfortunately people want shiny now, doesn’t matter what’s underneath that veneer. And not just women!
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:02am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Hahahahah – that’s a piss take right?
      Do you actually know any rural women?
      
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      September 16, 2021 10:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Competent capable self reliant (rural) woman = masculine?!?
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:27pm
    - Paulus
      
      Didn’t Ardern come from a Rural area, where they still eat fish and chips.
      What what made her so twisted and disgraceful – her upbringing ?
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:51pm
      - Mark
        
        Do take a good look at yourself old fruit,your appraisal of the sainted lady is not shared by many.Go and have a cup of tea and a good lie down.
        
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        September 16, 2021 4:33pm
- ecco
  
  What about Nicola Willis? Do you think she might be more suitable. Personally I quite like Collins. She speaks a lot of sense whenever she’s being interviewed. Just getting a bad rap from the state influenced NZ media because of the bribe fund.
  
  BTW thought little Tova should have been stood down over that comment she made about Seymour. Obviously Wallace of Mediaworks didn’t have the b*lls to do that. Instead he went for the low hanging fruit ie Garner and Williams.
  
  Wonder if Wallace removed Garner for that comment he made about that oversized Maori kid who was playing league against his son. Hardly a sacking offence IMHO.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:57am
  - BAM
    
    They need to fix the party first, only Judith Collins has the skill and experience to do that.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:25am
    - Crazy Ivan
      
      Only Judith Collins has the skill and experience to beat Bill’s 2002 record.
      FIFY
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:54am
    - Mark
      
      Bam old boy,dust off your old copy of dirty politics and reread what your beloved leader got up to with Slater.It is not pretty ,and hopefully Robbo will quote her behavior at length in the lead up to the next election.Eye brows at the ready.Please leave her where she is ,I will enjoy seeing her totally humiliated and the ngats completely skewered at the next election.I expect their Taliban to take over ,what a hoot.
      
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      September 16, 2021 2:15pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Why did they get rid of Williams?
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:46am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      He wasn’t sufficiently sycophantic to Labour. Team of $55million wouldn’t stand for it any longer.
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern’s job is still government. She’s the Prime Minister, head of HM’s Executive Council in NZ.
  
  She is expected to be able to perform at that level but she can’t. As a performer she’s a C grade, as an Executive Councillor F. Her duty of care to the nation is non existent.
  When are we going to do something about it?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:25am
  - ecco
    
    Agreed, she’s ‘all care, no responsibility. That’s pretty obvious. Or perhaps she’s just ignorant to know what she’s doing to NZ, economically anyway. Same with Robertson.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:05pm
- RichardF
  
  I’d like to see demographic breakdown of her female supporters. My late 30’s aged wife can’t stand her!
  
  For Labour in 2017, it really was as simple as changing the leader.
  
  National would need to find someone like Arden (young-ish, progressive) or risk the media tearing them apart with an older conservative choice (Collins?!), but that would alienate a lot of National supports who think the party is too liberal already.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:08pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  BAM, quite right, sad to say.
  
  “You could try and replace Collins with Stanford but I don’t think it’s going to make much difference as my partner said, it’s still National but with a different mask.”
  To this, I add in Gareth Morgan’s comment about Jacinda being pushed to the front as leader just before an election being…..”lipstick on a pig”.
  i.e. Same crappy Labour party as Little led, but with a smiling emphatic ‘young’ female at the helm.
  And it worked, enough for Winston to get Labour and the Greens into the tent.
  
  I wouldn’t lament the short sightedness of so many NZers who voted for this shower of shit in increasing numbers, if it wasn’t going to affect me and other people too: those who don’t want a bar of He Puapua, Crim hugging, massive debt, identity politics, excuse making, spin doctoring and a race to the bottom.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:44pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Trending on Twitter that hair sniffing Biden, Boris the American, and that leftie from Ozzie are going to announce a new tri-lateral defence alliance. Seems Canada and NZ left out this time.

What better way to get US troops on mass in to other countries under the guise of a fake war with China and Russia?

1984 to the T!
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September 16, 2021 8:26am
- Bevan
  
  Why would NZ be part of a Nuclear Submarine agreement?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:09am
  - zulumonster
    
    Oh we’ll be part of it … we just won’t know anything about it …
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:54am
    - Bevan
      
      Keep dreaming, having NZ involved in anything defence alliance related is like taking an accordion hunting, just makes a lot of noise and obscures the objective.
      
      I can imagine if NZ was involved, the subs would be solar powered and without any armament i.e.: useless.
      
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      September 16, 2021 12:26pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s more than Submarines. He’s buying Long and Short-range missiles as well and not just for Submarines, Aircraft, and Surface Craft.
    A long-range missile capability is to be established onshore and a short-range missile capability to protect against airborne incoming munitions and platforms.
    
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    September 16, 2021 2:21pm
    - Bevan
      
      You think NZ is in the market for any of that? If the NZ government had its way, the airforce would be purely transport, the navy de-toothed to the point of irrelevance and the army rifles replaced with shovels.
      
      No way it wants subs, short or long range missiles.
      
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      September 16, 2021 3:21pm
      - Nickc2
        
        NZ could contribute to composite manning schemes given identical training and On-Job Experience.
        Let’s face it, cannon fodder is cannon fodder, it doesn’t matter whose flag is velcroed to whose arm.
        
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        September 16, 2021 3:46pm
- BananaLlama
  
  It’s because the ass fell out of Australias sub program.
  Too busy huffing on their didgeridoos, signing up a deal with the French who have never won a naval war instead of buying new subs from the Japanese who can actually build a competent navy.
  All of our Nations really need a good clean out at the top, get some fresh blood in there that isn’t obsessed with genitals or private opinions.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:26am
- virtualmark
  
  This is an enormous development that our media – and probably our politicians too – will not understand or consider.
  
  (1) It has big implications for the future of the Five Eyes arrangements, particularly for Canada and New Zealand
  
  (2) These are our major historical and cultural partners clearly positioning themselves re China, and we will need to choose a side. To date neither Labour or National have wanted to do that.
  
  Our choices here will impact us for at least the next 20 years. I am not confident that either of our major political parties will give this situation the attention it needs.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:44am
  - RichardF
    
    We will have a foot in both camps, or try and have our cake and eat it. It won’t end well.
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:10pm
  - mcdonald.g
    
    Already happening the vote to expand five eyes to include Germany, India, Japan, Korea happens May 22.
    
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/30346/Germany__India__Japan_and_S_Korea_Could_Join____Five_Eyes____Intelligence_Sharing_Program#.YUMZZZ4zZKM
    
    In other words this AU UK USA partnership will be the new premier agreement and the expanded five eyes will be the second tier.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  What Aussie leftie? If you are referring to their Minister of Defence (Peter Dutton) he is a Front Bench minister in the Lower House of the Scott Morrison Liberal Govt.
  There’s nothing leftie about Peter Dutton, he’s an ex Qld Copper who takes no shit from anyone.
  Please do your homework before you set out to crucify someone.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  FYI, the USA already have Marines stationed in Australia’s Northern Territory and have had for some time. This was an Obama initiative.
  BTW, the Chinese also have a 99-year lease on the port of Darwin and are currently trying to do some sort of deal wrt the Port of Newcastle.
  The Chinese also signed a Belt and Road agreement with the state of Victoria.
  I believe the Commonwealth Govt is currently working on rescinding the lease in Darwin and scrapping Victoria’s deal with Chairman Dan’s Chinese mates.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:30pm
I remember when

“Not being able to get a flight or MIQ accommodation spot is reasonably foreseeable say the Ministry.”
Do they not think that the number stuck overseas at present might suggest otherwise.
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September 16, 2021 8:26am
- I remember when
  
  Perhaps they thought there would be a ‘workable’ system.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  If you could chart the sentiment of kiwis wanting to return home ambivalence is now flat lining, while anger and desperation are rocketing. Human rights are being trashed by Ardern’s government.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    When I see 98 % of people down town wearing masks when they don’t have to , I’m not so sure about any opposition rocketing.
    
    I see a herd of stupid ,unthinking , uncritical morons.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:46am
    - Colville
      
      I am not sure what you mean by “dont have to”?
      Go into a shop you have to wear a mask and if you are not there for the shopping why are you in town?
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:27am
      - kowtow
        
        I’m talking about people walking on the pavement . Open air , not in shop .
        
        Happy to wear their symbol of servitude.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:13am
      - alloytoo
        
        That’s a legal requirement, not a medical one.
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:22am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Colville: Ask Siouxsie Wiles about being out and about, no mask, not shopping, just ‘exercising’.
        
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        September 16, 2021 3:15pm
- Ehlana
  
  In other words, the Ministry says New Zealanders should have expected them to be incompetent. Now that incompetence has been publicly acknowledged, what will they be doing about it?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:00am
Cassandra

H&M (not the Spanish clothing company) listed as influencers says more about the idiots doing the list than genuine influencing. But they do attract attention, which is not quite the same thing. Prince Andrew attracts attention. A 4 year old throwing a tantrum attracts attention. Ignore them (H&M plus the 4 yo) and they might go away.
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September 16, 2021 8:26am
Cinematic

I think JC has been doing a remarkable job given the situation but I’m of a mind she won’t become the next PM. Something about JC grates with the general public.

But now is not the time for a change. Instead I suggest National let JC go for the throat casting all caution aside. Now’s not the time for niceties.
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September 16, 2021 8:30am
- kevn
  
  @Cine… Is that what you think, or is the constant hacking of JC by all media an influence?
  People I speak to say she is ok. The sniping from with must be a pain.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:45am
  - Cinematic
    
    I enjoy JC, she’s smart and witty and doesn’t suffer fools. So, yes it’s a genuinely held though regrettable view.
    
    Of course if it were up to me I’d replace Jacinda with Judith as PM in a heart beat. It would yield an instant 3o-40 point IQ boost to NZ’s leadership.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:44am
- Paulus
  
  Labour all their years have only ever and instinctively fought from the gutter.
  – when will Nats stop being nice and adopt the same practice, although from a low start against international socialists and communists by nature.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:52am
  - Mark
    
    Dirty Politics anyone .Jason Edw .You sir are a myopic twerp.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:20pm
emmess

Isn’t it sad that we have to rely on foreign media to get the truth about what is going on in NZ?
https://youtu.be/qq17gKFAds4
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September 16, 2021 8:31am
I remember when

Brought the legal profession into disrepute.
Is that possible or even an offence.
She did break the law.
So how many lawyers have been caught speeding.
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September 16, 2021 8:33am
- JamesP
  
  I think the issue hinges around dishonesty which is a real no-no for lawyers.
  
  The facts of this specific case are yet to be determined.
  
  However, imagine a lawyer dishonestly obtaining a document (I need it for purpose X when I actually want it for illegal purpose Y), then dishonestly presenting that document to a Police officer, while making a dishonest statement (Yes officer, I am definitely doing X). Not good for your future credibility in Court.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:05am
  - septic skeptic
    
    What’s the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?
    
    One is a scum-sucking bottom dweller and the other is a fish.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:07am
  - cmm
    
    But how dishonest was the presentation of the document?
    
    I saw somewhere that they had the document so they could go to check on their horses every now and then. If they did check on the horses, then tacked on a week end in Wanaka, did they really use the document illegally?
    
    I have not seen the small print on the docs, but unless it says you may only use this document for the specified purpose and return to gulag-Auckland as soon as that purpose is complete, then it is hard to see they’ve broken the law.
    
    If it is found that they have not broken the law, then I wonder whether Cindy etc will find themselves on the sharp end of a defamation case.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:31am
    - sooty
      
      You would not be allowed to bring a defamation case. All the Karens would not allow it and stab you with their knitting needles!
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:01am
- cmm
  
  Did she break the law? It is not that obvious that she did.
  
  Bent it? Yes. Found a loop hole? Yes.
  
  These are exactly the traits you want in a good lawyer!
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:05am
- rouppe
  
  I see mummy is threatening stuff with a defamation suit. Guess we know where the entitlement comes from then
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126400438/judge-sends-legal-warning-after-reporters-ask-questions-about-wnaka-lockdown-breach
  
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  September 16, 2021 4:56pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-15/allied-naval-united-states-biden-australia-nuclear-submarines/100465628

Looks like NZ is going to be sidelined here. Unsurprisingly however it will be interesting to hear the Govt spinoff.
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September 16, 2021 8:34am
- Jade Warrior
  
  I am astonished that this agreement has received virtually no coverage in our media. Although New Zealand is not a party to this defence agreement, it will still have significant implications for our country. And where are our media outlets on all of this?
  
  *sound of crickets*
  
  Well OK – in fairness Stuff has just posted something about it now.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:19am
  - Bevan
    
    Because it shows NZ’s irrelevance. The fact the subs will be Nuclear is a clear sign, Aus, US and UK couldn’t care less about NZ’s input.
    
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    September 16, 2021 3:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  I heard Kerre McIvor this morning imparting a response from Cindy’s Press Secretary about this subject and all it did was restate that NZ’s regulations regarding Nuclear Submarines had not changed.
  Well, you effin dumbos that occupy the PM’s office in whatever role need to grow up. Regardless of what the scribble chinned wonder says, China is a real and present threat to countries in the South Pacific. When the shit hits the fan, where will we stand (if at all)?
  Let’s face it, we are currently incapable of defending our foreshore and seabed from internal threat let alone confront a Nation whose aim is to expand its territory and influence in our neighbourhood.
  IMO, we should be tagging along with Aust on it’s Military Hardware expenditure and acquisition. We don’t need to match them per capita but we do need to purchase real Military Hardware that not only enhances our status with Nations that could be our allies, but our Military Hardware must also be compatible with theirs.
  Times are long past when standing on a beach, baring our bums, poking out or tounges, waving sticks and stamping our feet frightened off people who didn’t know us. It’s much more serious now.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:20pm
- Paulus
  
  Just what Cindy wants – isolation is easier to control the masses.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:54pm
- jon
  
  Not surprised NZ being excluded. The US, UK, and AUST long ago gave up on us taking defence issues seriously.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:55pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Good on the Aussies looking outside their borders, and to the future – while in NZ we seem insular, absorbed in petty internal politics of group identity.
  I often think the Chinese must be having belly laughs about the state of the West and our first world priorities..
  At least this sort of development might cause a few grim faces, as they sip on their Pu-er tea, planning the course of the next hundred years…
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:03pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, I heard Cindy tonight spinning the evils of Nuclear Powered Vessels but she failed to mention the Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) Aust has cemented with Britain and the US.
    NZ has been pipped at the post by the Aussies wrt FTAs due to our Govt’s novice and unprofessional approach to Foreign Affairs and Trade and I fear things aren’t going to improve until we change our Govt.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:27pm
ecco

Ardern and Bloomfield seem to have got some other ‘expert’ on their payroll now to do their fear and hysteria messaging ie that fellow Plank from Canterbury University. Probably because Wiles is now damaged goods after that beach catch up episode last week and they are too scared to put her out there at the moment.

Plank claiming in the Horrid this morning that NZ needs to go to 90% vax rate before opening up. (surely these ‘experts’ are on the governement payroll, even if it is via the Horrid).

90% -Yeah right – please give me stats on which countries around the world, outside of communist China have achieved 90%.

Be an interesting few days if Ardern intends to try and strangle the Auckland economy – and hence NZ economy, further by locking down for an even longer time next week while she pursues these so called expert but unelected officials’ -health only- targets. The Auckland electorates make up a large portion of the voting public.
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September 16, 2021 8:35am
- Ra Henare
  
  The interesting thing is what is meant by vaccinated.
  I was under the impression that it was those wo had been 2 jabbed.
  Silly boy.
  It seems that its anyone who has had one jab.
  
  There are plenty of places that would meet the 90% vaccinated level using the 1 jab rule.
  Ireland? Singapore? Cambodia? Spain?
  
  So once again its spin doctors paradise.
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:57am
  - ecco
    
    Yes Ra, what you’re saying is that Ardern and Bloomfield set very low benchmarks for themselves. We all know that from past experience during this covid crisis.
    
    Except when Ardern is in election mode then we get the ‘100k houses will be built’ type statements, -talk is cheap- statements.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many ‘associate’ ministers of health does NZ have now?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    Have they made twyford one yet.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      MOH is already fucked. Put Twitford somewhere else
      
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      September 16, 2021 1:59pm
- BAM
  
  The two latest poll results mean the lockdown will continue.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The French had a way of delivering their bill to failed. oppressive leaders.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:27am
- cmm
  
  Plank is another mathematical modeller working with Hendy etc.
  
  It would be interesting to see his model, but most likely it starts off assuming the vaccine works and therefore “shows” that the vaccine works!
  
  There is no informed choice when the government (and their paid cronies) are actively suppressing information.
  
  IMHO all vaccinations should be done on a risk vs reward basis. We certainly don’t know all the risks (particularly long term risks) and day-by-day the rewards seem to be diminishing.
  
  While the actual pandemic might end in 2022, the shadow it casts will be with us for at least a generation. Some of that is bad (eg. the economic impact of our lockdown and spend up). But some of that could also be a silver lining in long term immunity – something that might be damaged by the vaccine.
  
  Long term immunity could be highly valuable. It might also be compromised by vaccination.
  
  One of the curiosities of the Spanish Flu was that it nobbled mainly 20 – 40 year olds and killed 50 million people. If it had matched the demographics of most flus (ie. killing larger numbers of older people) it would likely have killed at least 5x that: say 300 million out of a population of less than 2 billion people – 15% of the world’s population.
  
  So why did the older people not fall to the Spanish Flu? The most plausible theory is that those that encountered the 1889/90 “Russian Flu” were provided some immunity to the Spanish flu 30 years later, making the older crowd more immune and thus leaving the younger crowd more likely to fall victim.
  
  If we mess with natural immunity, it is going to have a long term impact sometime in the future.
  
  We should remember that the Russian flu was a relatively mild pandemic when compared to others. The Russian flu deaths were more than the CV19 deaths by quite a margin.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:18am
  - virtualmark
    
    Scientists now think the Russian Flu was coronavirus OC43. OC43 is a coronavirus quite similar to Covid-19. OC43 is still endemic in the human population, where it is one of the main causes of the common cold.
    
    The danger from these viruses is mainly because they are novel (as in, our immune systems have never encountered them before). Once that novelty factor has gone (as in, our immune systems have learned how to respond, either from infection or vaccination) then the virus tends to cease being a threat.
    
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    September 16, 2021 2:25pm
- Bevan
  
  We dont have to achieve 90%, as long as everyone who wants a vaccine can get one, then open up and if an anti vaxxer get sick and dies, or infects and kills grandma – its on no one else but them
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  90% is not a target.
  
  It is a continuing ‘training’ exercise.
  
  We are being coerced into complying with an arbitrary target with the promise of freedom.
  
  Aside from the tragedy of so many people falling for his (don’t they understand history?), the truth is that complying further cements the ruling elites power over us, allowing the next arbitrary diktat to birthed and forced on us.
  
  Freedom is not a conditional dispensation of the government.
  
  Freedom is an absence of government control, and we must somehow find a way to remove their abusive, domineering control over our very existence.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:36am
graham

My contribution to Maori Language Week (actually I heard this on Kate Hawkesby’s show this morning 🙂 ):

The Maori name for Auckland has been modified slightly; it is now Tamaki Ma-Covid.
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September 16, 2021 8:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Tamakimakofiti?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:29am
- cmm
  
  I translated the works of Shakespeare into Maori and wrote it in the pre-colonial Maori text.
  
  Here it is: ” “
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    No macrons?
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:00am
    - cmm
      
      Macrons, like all writing and reading, are imposed colonialism.
      
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      September 16, 2021 11:26am
grumpy

This is https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/huge-uttar-pradesh-india-announces-state-covid-19-free-proving-effectiveness-deworming-drug-ivermectin/
interesting. I wonder why India , that was being overrun by Covid has had some much success with only 7% vaccinations vaccination rate?
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September 16, 2021 8:39am
- cmm
  
  India also has a younger population than anywhere we’d use as a benchmark for ourselves.
  
  Median ages:
  India 28
  USA 38
  Canada : 41
  Australia: 37
  NZ: 37
  UK: 40
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:22am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Median age (East Asia)
    Japan: 48
    South Korea: 44
    China: 38
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:41am
- Ra Henare
  
  Oh dear.
  Your link forgets to mention that India is balls out vaccinating 110 million jabs a day.
  
  https://zeenews.india.com/india/uttar-pradesh-giving-out-daily-covid-19-doses-faster-than-united-states-2392910.html
  
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  September 16, 2021 8:10pm
kowtow

Here’s a mental health expert telling it like it is .

“Part of the anger towards the couple came from a ‘‘prolonged campaign of fear’’ from the Government and the media over Covid-19.

‘‘Everybody is being told over and over that they should be scared,’’ Dr Gale said.

People were being told if they followed the rules then New Zealand could stop the virus, but it was not as simple as that.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/response-flouting-law-called-%E2%80%98cruel%E2%80%99
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September 16, 2021 8:42am
- Taieri
  
  Yeah, right, but look at the comments below this article…
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:09am
lifesgood

“Something about JC grates with the public” Really? It is more likely that the gullible public believes what the MSM tells them to believe. They managed to get rid of Simon Bridges, they are trying very hard to get rid of Judith and they will do the same to whoever replaces her if indeed she is replaced. National shouldn’t blink otherwise we’ll have another disaster like Muller. Labour and the msm are driving this through fear. They know Jacinda is as dumb as a sack of hammers and both Bridges and Collins are highly intelligent, competent, experienced people.
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September 16, 2021 8:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The media money is electoral insurance and bribery.
  Both criminal.
  
  Labour govts in the past were never dishonourable like this. (They were also able.)
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:32am
- Colville
  
  lifesgood.
  
  Talk JC up all you like but the polls are there for everyone to see. Women hate JC.
  
  JC is a dead woman walking. Its only a lack of a viable leader that is saving her.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:37am
  - kowtow
    
    “Women hate JC ”
    
    Really ? Our democracy being held to ransom by low information , emotion driven voters .
    
    Where does policy , programmes and delivery of same come into our modern democracy ?
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:25am
- Cinematic
  
  Yes I think it really does lifesgood. This is not about competency or wit or performance. It should be but it’s not. I think JC has done a fantastic job in extremely difficult circumstances and I’d replace Jacinda with Judith in a heartbeat.
  
  The point I’m making is I don’t see JC, or for that matter Seymour, as capable of capturing enough centre voters goodwill on election day. I’d love to be proved wrong.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:51am
- Warren
  
  Yes Lifesgood and it was many on here that started the ball rolling to get rid of Simon Bridges as Nationals leader, with now the same percentage wanting Judith Collins gone after supporting the failed Todd Muller debacle, take a look at Mathew Hooton and this Wilson woman that were only to happy to be in the Todd Muller camp at the beginning but now cashing in on payback against Collins for their own glaring failures.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:13am
- ecco
  
  The people who don’t like Judith were never in their lifetime going to vote National anyway.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:12pm
  - Taieri
    
    Not necessarily. I’d voted National in every election since 1984, but don’t think that Judith Collins has what it takes and will not vote it again. It will be either ACT or will not vote at all.
    
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    September 16, 2021 3:48pm
- kevn
  
  @lifesgood… Exactly. Media driven.
  
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  September 16, 2021 3:17pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Unfortunately Judith is the wrong age to now appeal to the large number of voters in the 25 to 50 age bracket. Her language is old and of the 60s and upwards generation. Rightly or wrongly younger voters will feel like they have been spoken to by their mother or grandmother. While Jacinda for all of her multitudinous faults appeals to the younger generation. This will be a significant reason for her popularity and quite likely that of David Seymour. Sadly for Judith her role now is either a change manager for national and it doesn’t appear as though that’s happening, or a caretaker. Those idiots who conspired and capitulated under the media pressure to get rid of Simon Bridges have completely stuffed National for years to come. Mueller should be long gone along with the co-conspirators. Until National can blood and appoint a younger more appealing leader who can deal with the medias obvious bias National are a bit stuffed. Sigh.
  
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  September 16, 2021 4:09pm
Critical Thinker

Australia descends more and more into fascism from its mass psychosis madness.

Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police Shane Patton describes his plan to seize the public transport network, and “do everything they can” to prevent the once free Australians protesting against the dystopian nightmare in Melbourne this weekend.

The Australian ~~Gestapo~~ police will also be handing out $5,500 fines to those that do manage to make it to this protest against the mass psychosis fascism, to save what once was the free and fair nation of Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkqQt6uOiYA

What an absolute joke Australia has become. Officially the laughing stock of the whole world ?
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September 16, 2021 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  Their Chief Commissar really looks the part in that black shirt .
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:22am
- Nickc2
  
  What a load of crap! You are talking about the Victorian Police, not the Australian Police. Don’t get them confused.
  The Victorian Police have been in the hands of the Trade Union Movement (Chairman Dan’s mob) since whenever.
  The Australian Federal Police (AFP) are tools of the Commonwealth of Australia Govt.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:41pm
  - Bevan
    
    Dont bother, he doesn’t understand the difference between state and federal.
    
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    September 16, 2021 3:26pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      They’re all Aussies, mate
      
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      September 16, 2021 7:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Do sports folks trump Entertainers?

RNZ lists the number of Sports folk who have taken up MIQ spots
but doesn’t list the number of folks who have come in for Movie/Tv productions.
(I wonder why?)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/451574/sports-teams-business-people-and-entertainers-using-miq-spots
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September 16, 2021 9:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m glad RNZ have collated this, but like you say it is incomplete. Movie industry, Green MP + partner, Green co-leader and entourage and more.
  
  The new ‘Lobby’ mechanism is nothing more than a Willy Wonker golden ticket system for ordinary, non-elite NZers, while MIQ is an entitlement to the favoured.
  
  Grounded Kiwis has resorted to filing claims against the government in the High Court for kiwis stuck in desperate circumstances, while the Netherlands Cricket team – ranked below Afghanistan – breezes in.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:50am
  - Nickc2
    
    Add to that Krazy, the 100+ entertainers (bare-foot stamping party I’m guessing) who will accompany the Minister of Trades’s Delegation to Dubai for the opening of Expo 2021 (1 Oct 2021 currently).
    
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    September 16, 2021 2:04pm
ecco

Maybe Ardern and Bloomfield could let McDonalds in Auckland open up and say you get a free Big Mac combo if you get vaccinated. Maybe that will do the trick with the vaccine resistant sections of the population a demographically identified in surveys. (I for one wouldn’t mind a big mac myself?).

Might be more efficient than trying to drive round low vax Auckland suburbs trying to confront, frankly at times, dangerous and anti social individuals.

I know in the States you can get a vax at McDonalds.

Also can get one if you are going through their airports.
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September 16, 2021 9:02am
- Colville
  
  I think KFC is more to the taste of the target demographic.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:38am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Yep, I believe that’s what Labour have traditionally bribed South Auckland with.
    
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    September 16, 2021 9:57am
- krazykiwi
  
  Big Macs have already been done this in the UK. The now normalised abandonment of the informed consent provisions of Nuremberg Code is a very real concern for the future of humanity
  
  [Informed consent] should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So extra obesity to counteract the benefits of vaccination?
    
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    September 16, 2021 1:31pm
- Fletch
  
  “Can I have fries with my vax?”
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wait for the loons in NZ to start their nonsense.
Australia is getting nuclear bombs /////
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September 16, 2021 9:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Cruising along SH 35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEOydUQXfl8
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September 16, 2021 9:09am
- cas
  
  Probably the best drive in NZ. But do it from Opotiki to Gizzy so you have the coast on your left and closer all the way.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:18am
- Clyde
  
  Modern version of Ten Guitars.
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That is sooo scary 🙁
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:31am
- nathie
  
  “First place to see the sun” … ah beautiful just beautiful place! And the contrasts!
  
  And well done to the locals, good to see a positive musical video!
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘First place to see the sun’
    
    And last place to see the light
    
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    September 16, 2021 7:19pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I’ve only been to Gizzy once. A long time ago. I need to do the East Coast thing, soon.
  Also a couple of the singers had great voices. Very much in the southern USA jazz style.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You should hear some of the folks who sing on street corners here sometime.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:57pm
I remember when

Jim Boult, Queenstown Lakes District Mayor:
Wanaka Level 4 Escapees.
“The South Island has now been covid free for something like 400 days.”
He now wants to focus on stopping this from happening again.
Looking forward to his stopping any future covid cases in the South Island and passing the procedure on to Jacinda.
I would hope that he focuses on doing his Mayoral duties to the betterment of Queenstown.
That’s what he was elected to do.
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September 16, 2021 9:12am
Handyman

I see Ardern is running the naming poll for the vax buses from her personal facebook page.
This is outrageous!.
What’e next? running the poll to change the name of New Zealand on her personal facebook page!,

“On Wednesday evening Ardern launched a poll of her own on Facebook, where she posted four names that had been put forward: Jabba Waka, Shot Bro, Jabbin Wagon and Vaxi Taxi.” Stuff
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September 16, 2021 9:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  post some suggestions…
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:52am
  - Fletch
    
    “Big Brother Bus”
    
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    September 16, 2021 11:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Childish shit from Jaspinda. Everyone is a 5 year old
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:02pm
BananaLlama

The only reason why i know it’s Maori language week is everyone getting triggered otherwise i would have lived my life in blissful ignorance.

Also what’s with General Milley telling China he will notify them if America uses their nuclear first strike capabilities. Imagine if a Republican general said this to a Russian, Democrats would be having seizures on the senate floor. It’s incredible and quite frankly he should be in jail. I hope the Republican Party pursue him with the full extent of the law and make an example of this treasonous behavior.
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September 16, 2021 9:20am
- Inandout
  
  BL, that Milley is a piece of work alright. He seems to add another coloured ribbon to his uniform every time he appears. Is there a ribbon for treachery?
  
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  September 16, 2021 9:51am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Yanks get a ribbon for anything. Saw clip from the USAF College and even 2nd year cadets have medals. Look at the PLA. Never seen action and they have rows.
    
    All the Commonwealth countries get is Good Conduct and LOng Service awards and Campaign medal PLUS medals for meritorious service and courage.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:02am
    - Jack5
      
      And in New Zealand, there was a medal for compulsory military service. Three months, training only, 8500km from the jungle warfare in Malaysia.
      
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      September 16, 2021 4:18pm
      - Nickc2
        
        and when was that Jack5?
        
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        September 16, 2021 4:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        For Nickc2 (4.37 post):
        
        The New Zealand Defence Service Medal (instituted in 2011) recognises military service – regular, territorial or reserve, compulsory military training and national service – since the end of the Second World War, in New Zealand and overseas. It is estimated that over 160,000 people are eligible for this medal.
        
        You could have looked it up yourself, Nick.
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/mi/military-medals/page-2
        
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        September 16, 2021 10:07pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    America seems to have plenty of generals with many awards who are quite keen to have a go at their own citizens yet can’t win a single war overseas.
    
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    September 16, 2021 10:03am
    - Nickc2
      
      Can you share your evidence please?
      
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      September 16, 2021 4:39pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Nope too lazy, don’t want to go trawling through their idotic tweets.
        
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        September 16, 2021 5:12pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Quite a surprise for Bagrham Biden that he wasn’t expecting:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNPDjF2GAQ&t=43s
  
  Quite funny. 🙂
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:09pm
MrTips

Oh my God, the world is going to end if you don’t get jabbed.

Meh, Plank’s modelling will be as accurate as Fauci’s first throw. And Rod is as subtle as a fart in an elevator. Tidbit: Rod thinks his brother is a red-neck – just for voting National.

The quelle horreur from the media “go to brigade” is as much as self-defence from them as concern. Their elimination model has been found out, like it always was going to be, and now they apply FearMark2™ to get you jabbed. What they aren’t saying is that EVERY single major infectious disease is going to ply the health system once we open up. RSV2021 was the warning shot. And they’ve always known this – and their failure will be YOUR fault for being slow to get jabbed??

Every single vaccine hesitant person would disappear if Novavax was bought in immediately. It’s more trustworthy, a superior product and less side effect inducing. Just approve the damn thing.
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September 16, 2021 9:22am
- Cinematic
  
  The basic tenet of the article is the higher the vaccination rate the lower the stress on NZ’s hospital system from COVID on reopening. Makes sense.
  
  The elephant in the room is the host of other catch-up harvesting flu bugs that will rip through NZ. The longer the isolation the bigger the immune deficit to those other viruses. There’s no dodging the reaper.
  
  Jackson et al know this but notoriety sits with covid, not the less fashionable but nearly as effective bugs sitting and waiting just beyond the border.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:04am
- Fletch
  
  Again, no one seems to be asking the question – if the vaccinated can still catch the virus and pass it on then how is having 90% of the country vaccinated going to help? One of the official ads from the MOH says that people should get the vaccine to protect those who cannot get the vaccine. I fail to see how this works…
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:53am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Novavax … [is] more trustworthy, a superior product and less side effect inducing. Just approve the damn thing”.
  
  Amen, brother!
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:23pm
Maggie Pie

Had to rush up to Tindalls yesterday to check out the silent-alarm.
Looks like we may have a rat in the basement 🙁

Heading back home we listened to HDPA talking about how hard some schools are doing it, with International Student enrollments down over 60% due to the borders being closed.

As my partner noted, doesn’t seem to have made much of a dent to the number of Asian drivers on the road.
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September 16, 2021 9:25am
CAKE FACE1

Cinematic says:

“But now is not the time for a change. Instead I suggest National let JC go for the throat casting all caution aside. Now’s not the time for niceties.”

Great call.

As soon as we went into lockdown, I knew the polls would take-off for Labour.

In essence, almost 100% of females are under some sort of cult like spell with Cindy. Lockdowns bring out this worship even stronger.

I have a feeling that if we open up the borders, and the inevitable body bags start filling up, support for the Messiah will fall off a cliff. I suspect Cindy senses this, so will use every trick in the book not to open the borders.

I remember when Helen Clark was on near zero percent for years. She later won.

Bridges and Muller didn’t do much better than Collins. The fact is, now isn’t the time to change leader. The media would just uber bully the new person, whoever they are.

I like the idea of a Collins double up. We haven’t heard from that stupid girl interviewer that Collins smashed a couple of weeks ago.

Collins should try to smash a socialist hack a day. She should pile into Cindy relentlessly. There is nothing to lose. She has the advantage that she can’t be accused of sexism. Give her both barrels. It will have a huge effect in a year or so, I would think.

Go The Crusher!!!
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September 16, 2021 9:48am
- virtualmark
  
  Collins going full throated at the Government or the media won’t move the polls.
  
  The voters that would like her to do that are already voting National.
  
  The voters that aren’t voting for National are, in part, doing that because they think Collins has a nasty brutish streak.
  
  All she would achieve by going hard out would be to cement in place the existing voter camps.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    More like, many are like me, who arent voting for National, and arent doing so because she isnt going for the medias throat when clearly she has nothing to lose and should go for it. There is wide awareness of their bias and she should beat them over the head with it (figuratively of course)
    Secondly, its the Media who are painting her as a nasty brute, when the truth is, she isn’t. Certainly not as bad as many in Labour’s Camp.
    
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    September 16, 2021 2:46pm
    - virtualmark
      
      But while you aren’t voting for National you’re probably voting for Act ??? So your vote is still in the centre-Right bloc.
      
      National’s challenge is to win the “Waitakere man/woman” swing vote centre. Collins going full postal on the media won’t do that, in fact I’ll predict it will just make that challenge harder.
      
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      September 16, 2021 3:05pm
- Cinematic
  
  Yes Cake, with National polling at what I would think is it’s base level of ‘hard support’ it’s unlikely it will sink lower.
  
  Judith should deviate forcefully from this elimination nonsense (bringing most males back from Act) and go after the Jacinda government’s failure after failure. Unapologetically and relentlessly.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:39am
Rusty

Is it getting to a stage where Nzers are more in fear of the Govt than of covid?

If you don’t get the jab we wont end the lockdowns and give you back your freedoms.
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September 16, 2021 9:56am
- kowtow
  
  As posted earlier the govt and media are conducting a fear campaign .
  
  Here’s an expert.
  
  Part of the anger towards the couple came from a ‘‘prolonged campaign of fear’’ from the Government and the media over Covid-19.
  
  ‘‘Everybody is being told over and over that they should be scared,’’ Dr Gale said.
  
  People were being told if they followed the rules then New Zealand could stop the virus, but it was not as simple as that.
  
  The emotive nature painted the picture that if people broke the rules they were ‘‘evil’’, he said.’
  
  And now if you don’t partake in their vax experiment you’re holding us up , when in fact the hold up is the govt.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/response-flouting-law-called-%E2%80%98cruel%E2%80%99
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:19am
lazza

oOOO .. . WHAT IS THAT PILE OF OOZING ODURE, OVER YOUR SHOULDER , CREEPING RAPIDLY SILENTLY DOWN A MOUNTAIN OF THE STUFF AND RAPIDLY ENGULFING THE POPULACE … AND WHICH WILL TAKE A GENERATION OR MORE TO CLEAN UP?

Oh Yes. The Robbo Legacy of $100Bn … of covid debt. Be very afraid.
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September 16, 2021 9:56am
Yvette

Auckland’s Middlemore Hospital is now testing every ward patient for COVID-19, a move sparked by an investigation into unlinked cases in the outbreak.
There were between 200 and 300 patients in hospital at the moment, with up to 50 a day likely to be swabbed who otherwise would not have been, he said.

So, what is hospitals’ capacity in New Zealand?

“In the US they’ve got hospitalisations around 100,000… that is extraordinary. It is the hospitalisation numbers that everyone is worried about. We are actually close to overtaking the US with our vaccination rate, but we need to keep going.” – Ardern

US population 2020 – 331,449,281
The population of NZ in 2020 – 4,822,233 people
So would not “US they’ve got hospitalisations around 100,000” equate to about 1,454 in hospital here? (my percentage comparison should be roughly valid, if Ardern can compare vaccination rates)

1,454 extra patients, over an unknown, but likely fairly short, time frame.
Could New Zealand cope?

(And as mentioned earlier – While in a large city hospital just recently for a six day stay, I twice heard one nurse say to another, on two of those six days, “We are code red”. When I asked about that, I was informed, “It means we have more patients than staff”)
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September 16, 2021 10:17am
- Cinematic
  
  I know a senior nurse who can’t remember a time when there was a lighter workload.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:11am
Cobolt24

I found a petition from 1867 by Maori (most prominently Wi Te Hakiro) where they petitioned to stop Te Reo being taught in schools to get them on an equal footing
“There should also be a general play-ground for the European and Maori children together. There should not be a word of Maori allowed to be spoken in the school, and the master, his wife and children should be persons altogether ignorant of the Maori language”
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BIM873TeHa-t1-g1-t2.html
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September 16, 2021 10:26am
- Cobolt24
  
  Now this is a reply to that Marama Davidson comment a while ago. It was her very own people (back then) who encouraged these things:
  https://twitter.com/maramadavidson/status/1401078216689799169?lang=en
  And keep in mind, those “native schools” were optional and separate from state schools.
  
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  September 16, 2021 10:31am
kevn

Calling Cactus Kate… we miss your blog and worthy comments.
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September 16, 2021 10:30am
lifesgood

I think National’s problem is that they don’t have a loyal voter base. Labour voters would vote labour if they had pigs standing. I mean real, actual animal pigs. National voters are strategic voters. The stupid farmers voting for Labour to keep the greens out is a case in point. While it is good to not be blindly loyal sometimes it means you cut off your nose to spite your face. National voters are generally intelligent and thinking, which is a good thing, but bit of loyalty wouldn’t go amiss.
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September 16, 2021 10:53am
- thirteenstars
  
  You should go deeper and ask yourself why National doesn’t inspire loyalty in its supporters.
  
  And even deeper by asking why National once inspired loyalty in its supporters but is now failing to do so.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:14am
- cmm
  
  No, the last thing any party needs is a loyal voter base.
  
  A loyal voter base allows a party to stagnate and corrupt itself without any impetus to improve.
  
  National has got to find a reason for continued existence.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:31am
  - MCos
    
    If the main parties didn’t have loyal bases working to improve party we would be like Thailand where parties come and go like the weather.
    There there are wealthy regional ‘strongmen’ who control the votes in their area by securing funding for local projects, flood relief plus vote buying.
    The current government is a coalition of a dominant party that probably didn’t exist a few years ago plus about twenty or more small parties.
    The PM is elected by the MPs as a whole. Just last week he fairly narrowly survived a no confidence motion. It’s rumoured he handed out money for votes. ($200,000 per vote)
    As far as I’m aware there’s only one party that’s been around for more than a dozen or so years.
    None of them seem to have political philosophies as we understand the term. It’s basically get into power and get control of the finances.
    It’s like a band with twenty lead guitarists.
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:56pm
- Crazy Ivan
  
  >>I think National’s problem is that they don’t have a loyal voter base. Labour voters would vote labour if they had pigs standing.
  
  Erm, National had an actual pig standing in Botany, yet they kept voting for him. How much more loyalty do you want?
  
  >>National voters are generally intelligent and thinking
  >>but bit of loyalty wouldn’t go amiss
  Pick one
  
  >>WFF is socialism by stealth
  >>Need to change the RMA
  >>Tax bracket creep is bad
  >>Fuel taxes should be used for roads
  >> etc, etc
  
  Maybe National could show a bit of loyalty to voters and implement the changes they campaign on – instead of being Labour light, who knows maybe people will start voting for them again
  
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  September 16, 2021 12:33pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Very very few farmers voted Labour to stop the Greens (if any).
  The reason those regional electorates swung is because of the townships. Many of the feckless often don’t vote but weed is important to them so they came out in hazed droves which gave Labour a huge boost.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:29pm
krazykiwi

Here is a paper published by WHO. It outlines Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data.

The results, to two decimal places, are: –

Age IFR ISR (Infection Survival Rate)
0-19 0.00% 100%
20-29 0.01% 99.99%
30-39 0.03% 99.97%
40-49 0.08% 99.92%
50-59 0.30% 99.70%
60-69 0.60% 99.40%

As cmm has explained well, if you are fit and healthy then your ISR will be higher than shown for your age bracket.

It would be good to get an updated dataset. This would see increased seroprevalence as a result of 100’s of millions of subsequent infections from which people have self-healed.
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September 16, 2021 10:54am
- Fletch
  
  If the above is correct then why are we jabbing those from age 12 and up? Especially as they seem more susceptible to adverse effects. According to a press statement from NZDSOS, the teen who died the other day is but one of four that they know of.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:00am
  - cmm
    
    Coz feelz.
    
    Think of all those feared-up feelzy parents out there that have dutifully clipped their sprogs into car seats and put on bike helmets on their kids when they were riding tricycles. They want their kids protected from any potential harm. More importantly, they want to be seen as good and caring parents.
    
    They want to vax their kids.
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:25pm
- cmm
  
  Slight correction/amplification: You don’t even have to be fit and healthy – just not very unhealthy.
  
  Unless you’re in the sickest 5% or so of people in your age group then sleep easy at night.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:20am
Fletch

An alert from the top of the page of the official govt Covid website –

Auckland will move to Alert Level 3 at 11:59pm on Tuesday 21 September. It will remain at Alert Level 4 until then. The Government will confirm this decision on Monday 20 September.

https://covid19.govt.nz/

“Will” makes that quite a definitive statement? Makes it seem like the govt decision is quite matter-of-fact.
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September 16, 2021 10:55am
- Cinematic
  
  Which begs the question. Why aren’t we in L3 now?
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:13am
- Ehlana
  
  Ah, Fletch, what have you learned about this government in all its years?
  I suspect this “will” is like the “will” of building light rail, housing, planting trees, etc.
  
  It would be nice if it turns out to be true, but please don’t hold your breath.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:40am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  And the rest of us are to be kept at L2.05, whatever that is actually going to look like.
  Sheeessshhhh 🙁 🙁
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀

A bestie retweets…

‘Jacinda has requested YouTube this be taken down’

https://twitter.com/alex_nz_1/status/1438042170930331649
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September 16, 2021 10:59am
- thirteenstars
  
  It would be nice to have confirmation of her desire to have it taken down. I doubt that’s the case.
  
  It’s very good. Satire is a powerful weapon as it mocks, and mockery cuts deep.
  
  The hate speech laws will have this kind of thing banned since they rely upon nothing but perceptions of hate made anonymously by anyone.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:11am
  - cmm
    
    With people in the PMO being paid a bundle to monitor social media for “disinformation”, do you really think it is unlikely that they are also airbrushing her image?
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:27pm
thirteenstars

The report on the Curia poll showing National at 21%:

The National Party’s historic pollster has the party’s support crashing to historic lows, while Act is on the verge of overtaking it.

A Curia poll, conducted for the Taxpayer’s Union, has National on just 21.2 per cent, with Act close behind on 14.9 per cent.

The result is only a whisker above National’s worst-ever election result, 20.93 per cent in 2002. It is the closest National and Act have ever been in the poll.

Labour is at 45.9 per cent with the Greens on 9.6. Te Paati Māori is on 1.2 per cent.

National’s support has cratered in the poll. It was on about 30 per cent in July.

Jacinda Ardern reigned supreme as preferred Prime Minister on 50.8 per cent. National leader Judith Collins languishes at 4.4 per cent, well behind David Seymour on 9.3 per cent.

National would lose four seats on those numbers, down to 29. Act would get 19.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-national-partys-polling-company-has-the-party-crashing-to-within-six-points-of-act/7IBA3JOBKVIJH6OMASRJHONCOY/

In the Hosking interview there, Seymour says ACT’s growing support is 2/3 from National and 1/3 from elsewhere.
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September 16, 2021 11:03am
- Jack5
  
  I hope ACT is preparing candidates for electorates.
  
  If the bought media and the ex-National PR saboteurs break National into a compliant, Woke remnant, it will be hard for thousands of us to vote for National in local electorates.
  
  Meanwhile, Woke votes would be split between Woke National and Woker Labour.
  
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  September 16, 2021 11:50am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s a pretty interesting scenario, to say the least.
    
    Things can fall apart quickly, when it’s least expected, and National might just be on the cusp of an exodus that in comparison to the current slow bleeding would look like a busy day at the guillotine.
    
    That would cause an internal revolt which may or may not be successful in staunching the flow, but at that point there might be no one left to care.
    
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    September 16, 2021 12:42pm
- cmm
  
  As much as I would like to think that ACT is “close behind”, the difference is not really 6%, it is 25% or 33% (ie. ACT is 75% of National or National is 133% of ACT).
  
  What people say between elections is not necessarily how they vote in elections. Whether this would hold into an actual election is debatable.
  
  The swing to ACT is probably a greater swing to libertarianism, since ACT’s the closest we have to that. An increasing number of people are getting tired of the Labour/National nanny state.
  
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  September 16, 2021 12:33pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Wait until Mr nobody Luxon takes over. Todd Muller Mk 2? Then National can truly snip at the heels of Jacinda while ACT gets on with presenting a proper alternative to this current mob. That should see ACT in the 20’s and National in the late teens.
    Seymour for PM!
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:29pm
Ehlana

Ah, Fletch, what have you learned about this government in all its years?
I suspect this “will” is like the “will” of building light rail, housing, planting trees, etc.

It would be nice if it turns out to be true, but please don’t hold your breath.
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September 16, 2021 11:43am
kowtow

Via Karl du Fresne blog and Democracy Project ,an excellent article .

‘Graham Adams: The double-edged sword of the $55m government journalism fund cuts deep

TVNZ’s apparent lack of interest in Dr Siouxsie Wiles’ unmasked trip to the beach has raised questions about the media’s impartiality. Graham Adams assesses the fallout.’

https://democracyproject.nz/2021/09/14/graham-adams-the-double-edged-sword-of-the-55m-government-journalism-fund-cuts-deep/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=graham-adams-the-double-edged-sword-of-the-55m-government-journalism-fund-cuts-deep
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September 16, 2021 12:00pm
- Philview
  
  Graham Adams is doing a great job with his articles. I watched the Jack Tame interview and he reminded me of the frightened young Afghani newsreader with the Taliban standing behind him. Jack knows a slow moving coup is going on in this country and he is doing what he is told.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m surprised DPF doesn’t include Karl’s weblog on the side bar here on KB
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:31pm
ecco

Ardern clearly doesn’t like the look of new AM show host Ryan Bridge’s line of questioning over her regime’s handling of Covid so she’s sent her henchmen in at the Horrid to carry out a few hit job articles on Bridge.

Have you ever seen any criticism of John Campbell or Jenny May at the Horrid? Didn’t think so.

So patently obvious how corrupt the media is in NZ under Labour.
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September 16, 2021 12:08pm
- Ruawai
  
  Bridge will be the next to be de platformed and cancelled.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:19pm
- MCos
  
  I read an autobiography of Katherine Graham whose family owned the Washington Post from when it was just another paper until ten or fifteen years ago.
  She owned the paper from 1963-1991.
  She knew all the Presidents from JFK, Johnston, Nixon and so on. Plus everyone else in Washington worth knowing.
  Her paper printed the Pentagon Papers plus details of the Watergate coverup, which were then reprinted by papers around America. Suddenly Nixon turned on the press. They are all against me fuck you.
  
  It’s always the same.
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:41pm
Waipuk

New Zealand Apartheid future is talked about in Australia but here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq17gKFAds4
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September 16, 2021 12:19pm
Yvette

US, UK and Australia forge military alliance to counter China
… Some critics of the agreement warn that it sets a dangerous precedent for countries to exploit a loophole in the NPT. The treaty allows non nuclear weapon countries to build nuclear-powered submarines, and to remove the fissile material they need for the submarine reactors from the stockpile monitored by the global watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, opening up the possibility it could be diverted to making weapons. Australia would be the first country to make use of the loophole.

Will China seek to foster relations, obvious or more covert, with New Zealand to have an ally behind enemy (Australia) lines, or will Ardern moderate her frictional anti-Australian stance?
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September 16, 2021 12:19pm
oldfella

Something a bit light hearted which some of you might enjoy… (mods permitting) 😉
Lost Words From Our Childhood.
Mergatroyd! Heavens to mergatroyd!
Did you ever drive a jalopy? Or feel hunky dory?
The following expressions have also become obsolete.
Don’t touch that dial, Carbon copy, You sound like a broken record, Hung out to dry.
Back in the olden days we put on our best bib and tucker.
We were in like Flynn and living the life of Riley. And even a regular guy wouldn’t accuse us of being a knucklehead, a nincompoop or a pill. Not for all the tea in China!
Add to those I’ll be a monkey’s uncle! Or, This is a fine kettle of fish!
Also long gone: The milkman did it. Don’t forget to pull the chain. Knee high to a grasshopper. Well, fiddlesticks! I’ll see you in the funny farm. Wake up and smell the roses.
Leaves us to wonder where Superman will find a phone booth these days.
That’s it, sosee ya later, alligator! Okidoki!
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September 16, 2021 12:19pm
- lifesgood
  
  Oh my giddy aunt!
  
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  September 16, 2021 6:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not gone, but literally obsolete
  
  “I’ll give you a ring”
  
  “Dial a number”
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:34pm
Yabster

Waimaik Council survey results on that undemocratic garbage 3waters:

Good Morning

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the Government’s proposals to change the way three waters services (drinking water, stormwater and wastewater) are provided across the country.

What we heard

We received over 3800 submissions from residents and the majority didn’t support the changes being proposed by the Government. Participants expressed a number of concerns including:
• Losing local say, knowledge and control on how water services are provided
• Rates being used to subsidise upgrades in other areas
• Wanting local management and provision of Three Water Services
• Appropriate compensation for transfer of community assets
• They sought for the reform proposals to take place alongside wider Future for Local Government and Resource Management Act (RMA) reforms
• Serious concerns were raised about the accuracy of the proposed efficiencies behind the proposal for change.
Summary of feedback

We received 3844 submissions and of these:
• 95% indicated they wanted the Council to Opt Out of the Government’s proposed Three Waters Reform
• 3.9% indicated they wanted the Council to Opt In
1% were undecided
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September 16, 2021 12:51pm
Fletch

Current Covid stats New Zealand –

Number of dead due to Covid – 27
Number of dead due to adverse vaccine effects – 40
(and yes I know there are ~~excuses~~ caveats)

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-26.asp
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September 16, 2021 12:55pm
- Fletch
  
  Hey, looks like someone overseas has tweeted the numbers, too…
  
  https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1438216982608896006
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:44pm
krazykiwi

The Australian concentration camps: –

The Howard Springs quarantine facility in Darwin for Australians returning from overseas has been called many things. The Government has styled it, without intended irony, the ‘Centre for National Resilience’

How Orwellian. It’s only a small step from that to a sign over the camp gates to suggest “Compliance will set you free”

One ‘inmate’ described his experience for cairnsnews.org ‘No air, no leaving the room for 338 hours, the second time in my 11 days here someone has totally smashed up their room, babies crying. I think this guy thought he was leaving today when he is actually leaving at 11.59 pm tonight. You go crazy being all alone. Is this really necessary? I myself had 9 negative tests before being denied quarantine at home and I am vaccinated.

Both Labour and National want similar facilities here in New Zealand.

We are failed by our leaders, and also by those who aspire to lead.
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September 16, 2021 1:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  More from Aussie: –
  
  · Police have been firing rubber bullets at demonstrators on the streets of Melbourne, and using pepper spray;
  
  · The Victorian Police Chief Commissioner Shane Patton has announced that two separate Covid commands have been set up with operations extending until at least the end of 2022 and possibly indefinitely;
  
  · Victoria is building a designated quarantine facility, as is Queensland (a 1,000-bed facility at the delightfully titled ‘Wellcamp’ airport west of Brisbane);
  
  · Residents at Sydney’s apartment blocks locked-down by NSW Health are having their alcohol deliveries policed as part of a policy to limit the number of drinks being consumed each day, that is six beers orequivalent amounts of wine and spirits with any excess alcohol being confiscated;
  
  · Curfews have been used to lock people in their homes after 9 pm in both Melbourne and Sydney;
  
  · Activists such as Monica Smit of Reignite Democracy Australia have been arrested and jailed for organising protests;
  
  · Schoolchildren in Sydney have been ‘ushered’ into police-secured stadiums to be vaccinated following pressure on them related to their forthcoming Higher School Certificate exams;
  
  · Massive fines are being issued for non-compliance with a range of public health orders;
  
  · The NSW Government is sacking its own teachers for not taking the jab, in a State where the Premier has said that ‘for those of you who choose not to be vaccinated, that’s your choice, but don’t expect to do everything that vaccinated people do even when we hit 80 per cent [double vaccinated]’;
  
  · Armed guards and the army have secured lockdown buildings in suburban Sydney;
  
  · Under the newly released NSW ‘Roadmap’ out of lockdowns, the unvaccinated will not be allowed to visit the vaccinated.
  
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  September 16, 2021 1:56pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I already suggested what they could hang over the entrance to the camp.
  
  Impfung Macht Frei
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:47pm
- Nickc2
  
  krazy, did you take a look at this and read a description of it by someone who is there?
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/quarantine-in-darwin-howard-springs-facility-becomes-a-holiday/12648762
  No, didn’t think so.
  
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  September 16, 2021 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Is the Vodafone CEO Jason Paris a big fat wokester?

https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1437976976740872192

(My partner and me are switching to ‘Spark’)
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September 16, 2021 1:41pm
Ruawai

Why do they bother with the sign language people when Jacinda and Ashley both do their own sign language, turn the sound off and you will see what I mean.
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September 16, 2021 1:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It was obvious that the media (and others) were going to launch hit jobs on Judith Collins when she became Nat Leader.
There are a number of things that interest me about how these hits are delivered.
1. Heavy hits are delivered when Our Dear PM is in a particularly vulnerable state

and
2. Hits on females usually fall into certain categories:
* sexual mores – promiscuous/slut
* looks – ugly/old/fat/skinny
* intellect – dumb blond/weird nerd
* racial stereotyping
* booze consumption
* bullying behaviour
and the grand old standby…… Mental instability.

With the exception of being labelled a bully, the lefty trolls managed to slam much of this stuff at me in the first few years that I was on this blog.

It doesn’t surprise me that the current hit on Judith deals with Paranoia
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/paranoid-storm-remarks-further-cloud-collins-leadership

It’s just the easiest thing to throw psychobabble crap at females … usually no way to verify or refute any claims… and that’s why Judith will continue to have this shallow muck written about her.
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September 16, 2021 2:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Judith should say what I say to some of the girls from tennis….
  
  “Don’t stomp your last seasons Prada shoes at me honey”
  
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  September 16, 2021 4:06pm
  - Mark
    
    Jimmy Chus darhlink.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You’re far to nice Maggie. I’d just tell em to fuck off and get a real job.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:18pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VRZRQGpkW0
    
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    September 16, 2021 6:14pm
Herodotus

Almost losing it regularly at 1:00. From the official govt site on the 1:00 pm updates.
“The Prime Minister is holding regular press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government’s response to COVID-19.”
So what has poll results, ANZUS etc got to do with covid ? Perhaps both: reporters and the PM should reacquaint themselves with the purpose when they have a captured audience.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/feature/covid-19-updates
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September 16, 2021 2:57pm
- doggone7
  
  Easy solution. Find something to do at 1.00pm which has nothing to do with a TV or a radio. Something useful. Shortly after that listen to the news or go online and get the information you might have been seeking from the 1.00 broadcast.
  
  You would have a achieved something useful as well as retained a sense of calm, not having lost it.
  
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  September 16, 2021 3:48pm
  - MCos
    
    In today’s case the only bit of news of interest, to me anyway, was on the ticker at the foot of the screen before the presser began.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:45pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…. 😛

‘Do you think Dave should lay a complaint?’

https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1438328835863420929
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September 16, 2021 3:28pm
Mark

I am in Aus still locked down,but I heard a whisper the latest quarterly GDP results are pretty flash .Has anybody got the figures .If so good given the circs Robbo should get a knighthood.
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September 16, 2021 3:52pm
- mandk
  
  2.8% q/q and 5.1% y/y.
  
  The 2.8% q/q is pretty good, but it won’t look so good next time because of the effect of the current lockdown.
  
  The y/y number is distorted by the fact that the first lockdown in 2020 and the consequent crappy 2020q2 GDP is now part of the previous four quarters instead of the latest four. It won’t look so good next time either.
  
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  September 16, 2021 4:26pm
  - westernScientest
    
    It is just showing the inflation from all the money printing. It is not showing any increase in economic activity and definitely not an increase in productivity. It is showing inflation, thats all. It is not a good thing.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:43pm
    - Mark
      
      What the fuck is growth in GDP if it is not the growth in economic activity.Would you right wing clown cars have it rather at – 2.8%.Bugger me ,talk about a bunch of Alice in Wonderlands.
      
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      September 16, 2021 6:05pm
      - westernScientest
        
        GDP is Gross Domestic Product as is calculated as
        GDP = C + G + I + NX
        where C is private consumer spending within an economy, G is total government expenditures, I is the sum of a country’s investments (think housing) and NX is the net exports.
        What of those things has increased a lot? Government spending, and housing, although they are correlated.
        
        Because government spending has come from printing money via the LSAP program, the increase in government spending and in housing are a result of flooding the economy with new currency without increasing the corresponding amount of goods and services within the economy, the increase in GDP represents and increase in prices driven by an increase in currency supply chasing the same amount of goods and services.
        
        It is the growth in the money supply, the amount of goods has not changed significantly, the amount of times currency changes hands (velocity of money) has not changed significantly, what has changed is the amount of currency in the system, though the reserve banks LSAP program and very low OCR, resulting in banks issuing more currency into the economy. This is the primary reason house prices have risen so much. The other part of the drivers for price increase is the cost push inflation from the intentional supply side, shortages and raw materials and disruption in the supply chain.
        
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        September 16, 2021 6:44pm
  - Mark
    
    Just once I thought you RWNJs could celebrate an amazing feat.But no you sad sacks cannot help but hope for the worse for NZ just to spite the Labour government.Most of you are complete disgrace hoping the Lady fails.You are a disgrace,beneath contempt.
    
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    September 16, 2021 4:46pm
    - NoFax
      
      It’s not that I hope Cindy fails – she already has failed and failed miserably and her fumbling is bringing the entire country down. You are the disgrace for not seeing it.
      
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      September 16, 2021 5:37pm
      - Mark
        
        Unemployment below 5% ,5.1 % GDP growth in the middle of a pandemic.These are amazing figures ,I do not know what you smoke boy but stop,just stop.
        
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        September 16, 2021 6:11pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      No one is celebrating 1.5 billion dollars a week worth of borrowing ya dumb clown, not even the Labour party.
      
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      September 16, 2021 5:40pm
      - Mark
        
        Pray tell Gonzo when Bill English was working miracles with his GDP and borrowing $80billion with Key ,why you were lauding that as a great result.Or you could learn to spell hypocrite .Bigly.
        
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        September 16, 2021 5:59pm
      - Mark
        
        The electorate seem to disagree with you Nana ,but what would they know.I am in OZ ,I am doing ok but want come home I have retired but work for my son here time to time.I have a very comfortable passive retirement income ,all the time in the world to point out your lack of nous in all things political.Happy days.Look forward to daily thrashings .
        
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        September 16, 2021 6:21pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Mark try some FACTS
        Debt under the GFC went from $27bill in 2008 to $75bill MAX
        Which is about $50bill
        Which then slid down to about $50bill in 2017, stayed flat and is now exploding, past “Bill’s” max.
        
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        September 16, 2021 7:16pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/government-debt
        pre covid
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/government-debt-now-exceeds-100-billion-more-than-70-percent-on-pre-covid-19.html
        some facts for ya mark.
        
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        September 16, 2021 7:21pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      $62bill in borrowing, is not growth.
      The only growth industries
      MSD
      Motels for homeless. 4000 to 30000 in just 4 yrs
      Poverty, especially CHILD poverty has doubled, BEFORE covid. (under jacinda’s own measure).
      Note we have heard nothing about elective surgery waiting lists.
      Note….rental cost have nearly doubled.
      Available rentals have gone down, even though the population has increased.
      You could write a book (probably a lord of the rings sized trilogy) just listing the failures of these idiots.
      
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      September 16, 2021 6:07pm
      - Mark
        
        Just glancing at the latest polls ,I am not on my own. For the 8th time can I ask how many immigrants did Key allow in and how many houses did he see built.How many pay rises did he give the nurse’s et etc .Cmon cmon youse sychophants cat got your tongue .
        
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        September 16, 2021 6:58pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Oh look, a Jacinda fan boy, I’m embarrassed for him.
      
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      September 16, 2021 6:11pm
    - Mark
      
      Nah you are looking at the the situation from the wrong end of the telescope.Beacause most of our publically listed companies are run so badly eg Mainzeal ,mostly by national party types ,the general public has very little faith in them .The finance co’s burnt a lot of people including a mate of mine who lost $750 k after working 40 years at 24/7 shiftwork.Of course it was ok if you were in South Canterbury finance.where all the rich bastards down that way got taken care of by Key et all. Now we have put all our money into mostly bricks and mortar that earn f all export income .I fear that this is a sort of giant ponzi scheme that will not end well.I just am so sorry for the young ones coming forward that will not be able to get on the property ladder .Too much too ask for that the people responsible for this tragic situation do not have the social issues resultant visiting them.
      
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      September 16, 2021 7:18pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Mark, there is a massive difference in borrowing to invest and borrowing to fritter away. Both have to be repaid, but the first will return itself and more (that’s the very definition of ‘investment’); the second returns nothing.
      
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      September 16, 2021 7:39pm
Mark

Found it.!2.8% for the quarter and 5.65 for the 12 months READ THOSE CARDS AND WEEP ,Ngats your goose is cooked .Heh
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September 16, 2021 4:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lay off the booze and meth – bad for your health Marky
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:16pm
  - Mark
    
    My sister died of meth addiction,leaving 4 orphans 13 years ago ,I detest the stuff ,and would have the dealers executed . You are very lucky the moderators run interference for you as I have learnt you rightwingers have to be sheltered from trenchant criticism.Bunch of girly softcocks,On the other hand itis hot in Maryborough today so a Gand T will hit the spot.
    
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    September 16, 2021 5:35pm
    - Mark
      
      Please tell me chaps /esses how the hell did the Muller chappy get $1million a year from Fonterra with a masters degree in history.The hard nosed dairy farmers up north thought Fonterra had become a sheltered workshop for Tory wannabes .
      
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      September 16, 2021 8:12pm
Fletch

I guess not all lives matter the same –

Former cop Mohamed Noor’s third-degree murder charge for the shooting death of an Australian woman in 2017 has been overturned by the Minnesota Supreme Court.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/court-overturns-former-minneapolis-cops-thirddegree-murder-charge-for-shooting-australian-justine-ruszczyk/news-story/6e0b887d52ac75839bb2777a4179f84f

You can bet there won’t be any riots or street protests because it’s different when a black man shoots a white woman.
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September 16, 2021 4:34pm
Fletch

Jacinda’s new emotional appeal to the “vaccine hesitant” – do it for the kiddies.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/pms-message-vaccine-hesitant-do-our-kids
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September 16, 2021 4:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Subliminal message to 5 year old kids – to vote socialist.
  Those 5 year olds will not want this in 20 years, when Jaspinda is head of UNITED NATIONS.
  And those kids will blame it on the ‘OK boomer’ fuckwits
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “OK boomer” so they say ***
    You know, those intelligent ones that never had a job and went to UNI
    
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    September 16, 2021 5:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear..
  
  How is she going to spin this when it becomes clear to everyone that vaccinated folk can still transmit the virus.
  
  How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says
  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1
  
  Will our Government go around searching for an unvaxxed contact?
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:16pm
Nickc2

China’s partner Jacinda Ardern …………… That didn’t take long did it?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/09/chinas-partner-jacinda-ardern-to-ban-australias-submarines-from-nz-waters.html
Question for the Minister of Foreign Affairs: wotcha gonna do about it now eh?
Is the Five Eyes agreement now defunct?
Chow Mein with Dim Sims anyone?
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September 16, 2021 4:58pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I see this AUKUS deal started 2 years ago and Scomo went through Asia on his way to G20.
  1. He seemed to be giving his allies in the region a heads up….but not us.
  2. This was all started under Trump, now Biden is trying to take credit.
  3. Another nail in the coffin of CER?
  4. A further distancing from traditional allies?
  and
  They all said that Lange’s anti nuke escapade didn’t harm our relations with our allies.
  Lange’s, Clark’s and now Ardern’s attitude to the UK and USA has caused this isolation.
  How much more damage will this idiot PM do to our international relations.
  Is she going to beg for more Manis Island “refugees”?
  Tried (wasted time) to do a trade deal with the EU, before the UK. Now the Aussies have got the beginnings of their trade deal in place and we haven’t started.
  Aussies have a small trade deal with the US and we can’t even get started.
  Aluminium and Steel tarrifs in place because ardern though she didn’t have to meet, even, the extended deadline.
  Foreign policy?…what foreign policy.
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:57pm
  - Mark
    
    Here you go asshole hoping for the worst for our country.As I understand it every industry is pretty well at full capacity ,trying to keep up with export orders ,you are a delusional fuckwit/
    
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    September 16, 2021 6:42pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Touchy touchy
      “As I understand it every industry is pretty well at full capacity ”
      1. then why all the for lease signs in down town?
      2. Why the necessity for wage subsidies and resurgence payments and bragging about the level of same?
      3. My business supplies services to industries, repairs to tech., traceability for measurement instruments, imports and sells tech. why then have some of my customers gone broke, delay payment, reduce services and are looking for tech that can automate their process’, to reduce staff costs?
      4. and others in my industry are saying exactly the same thing.
      
      Explain that …fuckwit, to use an expression from from someone (used on me) that OBVIOUSLY knows nothing of business.
      
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      September 16, 2021 7:10pm
      - Mark
        
        I used to own 35000 sq foot furniture factory .I employed a lot of disabled people ,got an award from Sir Les Mills mayor of Auckland at the time .I need to stress that not all of the disabled people were National Party supporters .Ran it for twelve years and trained plenty of apprentices .IN the end had to concede I could not compete with chinese prison labour so thanks Roger Douglas and Ruth.I supplied Blue Star office furniture ,Masport ,Rinnai Whitcoulls etc etc ….[Deleted]
        
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        September 16, 2021 8:32pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “Here you go asshole hoping for the worst for our country.”
      Where did I say that.
      I actually want the best for MY country….BUT these clowns aren’t it.
      
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      September 16, 2021 7:13pm
      - Mark
        
        In your opinion .The polls seem to indicate you are in a small mimority.
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Well stated RW!
    
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    September 16, 2021 6:54pm
Mark

I do not think you are right about the downturn.We have had a good calving season ,this year is going to be a record payout $8 kg/ms and we have had plenty of rain.When the sun comes out we are off.Incidentally in our tiny village in the Hokianga 2 new $100000,tractors arrived on the same day this year to their owners .I wanted a street parade and marching girl,but we settled for lots of Jake Hekes at the pub.The logging trucks are going trailblazers and the vine yards in Keri keri are run off their feet.We will see ,but I am quietly confident the Lady and Robbo have got this .
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September 16, 2021 5:00pm
- westernScientest
  
  Primary production only accounts for a small proportion of GDP, single digit percentages. While it is very important to our economy, and is a major driver of our trade balance, it is not really represented in GDP figures.
  
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  September 16, 2021 6:29pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We share Mark’s confidence on this. The Lady & Robbo have got it.
  We run just under half-an-acre in Remuera, and since 2017 Council figures will show we’ve picked up an additional mil a year….tax free!
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:22pm
  - Mark
    
    I have done a lot better with cheapies up north.I am glad you think it is spiffing ,I thought you would .I care about our young people ,typically you Tories dont.There is a special hot place in hell for you.I dropped the price of one of my properties $30k to help a young couple in in Kawa kawa buy their first house .I will have a place at the right hand of GOD
    
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    September 16, 2021 7:31pm
    - fernglas
      
      Perhaps you should learn to spell the names of places you are boasting about. It gives a bit more credibility to your yarns. It’s Kawakawa.
      
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      September 16, 2021 9:10pm
      - Mark
        
        Not boasting gonzo,2 GandTs got to my typing hands .Whitemans road up by the BOI college .
        
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        September 16, 2021 9:26pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You will need all of that to buy a loaf of bread before long.
    
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    September 16, 2021 8:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus H Christ. This blog is infested with lefties and Jaspinda sycophants today. Conrats Wellington, you can go to WORK and still do nothing
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September 16, 2021 5:04pm
- Mark
  
  Shurely you jest .The blasted place has always been infested with drongo righties ,mostly you and your ilk.
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:38pm
  - Mark
    
    Oh what a woeful effort /cmon chaps pull yer socks up only 10 down ticks so far .I am truly disappointed however if I was being led bySaint Jud3e of the Nasty I would be a bit discombobulated as well.
    
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    September 16, 2021 7:45pm
ecco

Wow Netball NZ granted exemption by Ministry of Health, to allow 4 Silver Ferns players from the Auckland area to go and play some netball games against England team in Christchurch.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/126398856/silver-ferns-auckland-based-players-granted-travel-exemptions-to-take-on-england

Meanwhile the rest of Auckland remain imprisoned in their homes for a 5th week. Been told that the risk is far too great for anyone to travel outside of the district after 5 weeks of lockdown and possibly infect the South Island.

And the couple who basically travelled in the same direction as these 4 netball players, is being crucified for putting the South Island at risk.

I guess it’s who you know. Women’s sport and all. Can’t be seen to be beating up on Netball NZ. Glad the Ministry of Health have their priorities right (sarcasm).
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September 16, 2021 5:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Netballers must be more special than NPC players
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018812641/nzr-issues-please-explain-over-exemption-application-errors
  
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  September 16, 2021 5:55pm
- ecco
  
  So is netball an essential service? How is that?
  Or is it just one of those woke topics that Jacinda likes to score points with on her female consituents.
  
  So how come netball is an essential service yet all those Lord of the Rings film people wanting to work here, were not given exemptions, despite them bringing millions if not billions of dollars of economic activity to New Zealand.
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:56pm
septic skeptic

Balanced journalism channel 3 style.
1. 15 minutes propaganda on covid featuring Jacinta.
2. A minute on the quarantine escapee who was inexplicably let out after just 10 days. A couple of statements from the Nats, plus some disinformation from Blofeld.
3. To balance that, EXPLOSIVE news. An imminent coup in National. Phones running hot and Collins about to be rolled. So when is that happening Tova? “NO coup till level 2!”. Maybe 19 October. Or maybe next year.
FFS!
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September 16, 2021 6:29pm
- Mark
  
  Fuck I need more popcorn,get the Roller out send the Butler ,oh bugger rostered day off send the bloody gardener then.
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

Just took a couple of hor’douves in to my partner.
He was relaxing sipping his usual glass of Monkey’s Shoulder and watching 3Ewes.
Wanted to know if I thought there was anything odd about the height of Tova’s forehead?
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September 16, 2021 6:32pm
Mark

M andK says the 2.8% quarter was pretty good ,other no nothings say it is a fail.Fer Christs sake will you eejits sing off the same hymn sheet .This is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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September 16, 2021 6:35pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  2.8% of fuck all…is fuck all
  
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  September 16, 2021 7:24pm
Mark

Actually thinking about Muller (Toddy ) had me thinking about how NZ biggest successful company was run as a Socialist Cooperative . Discuss.
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September 16, 2021 8:16pm
Mark

Err hell I am only one lonely lefty,you fascisti need to bring a better game .Sonic would have ripped you all new ones .
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