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Tony Stuart

National plans to release its Covid Recovery policy on Wednesday. According to Judith Collins, it’s comprehensive, well thought out, and peer reviewed.
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December 27, 2020 8:02am
- Cinematic
  
  Presumably Hendy hasn’t contributed to it then.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:19am
- Andrei
  
  Will it say “Keep Calm and Carry on”?
  
  Or will it be filled with babble about vaccines and MIQ?
  
  If its that latter – not interested
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, it will be What Labour Does, But Better™.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Although it’s impossible to have a credible strategy that doesn’t involve vaccines, I’m going to wait and see what it says before passing judgement. I’m old-fashioned like that.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:19am
  - Prince
    
    Yeah ‘cos we need less science and more catchphrases.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:50am
- DeepBlue
  
  John Key managed to Pip Judith over the weekend, and achieved comprehensive coverage. It will be a test for National to out do Sir John.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:33am
  - kevn
    
    @Deep… You don’t think he was preparing the (media) way for Collins?
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Actually, Judith Collins had an excellent interview with Tova O’Brien on Newshub Nation on Saturday. It was an excellent interview, because by and large, O’Brien let Collins give full answers to her questions, rather than constantly interrupting. It was probably Collins’ best performance in an interview situation this year, and is well worth a look.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/judith-collins-blames-covid-for-poor-polls-denies-mps-are-plotting-to-replace-her-with-simon-bridges.html
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:41am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Maybe John Key, blind sided them, got more positive coverage than the MSM thought.
      Thereby kicking the door in for Judith….lets hope.
      
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      September 27, 2021 8:57am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Maybe the MSM collusion is to keep releasing unfounded leadership coup rumours in National, because there is up coming very bad news about the govt.?
      See, 2 can play this game.
      
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      September 27, 2021 8:59am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        What about Nash eyeing the PM’s role? I am sure there are others too.
        
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        September 27, 2021 10:41am
      - Prince
        
        Yes I hear there are some stats being delayed during Mental Health week because they are very, very bad.
        Desperate attempts being made to change and fudge the number, and ‘reposition the narrative’ so the blame doesn’t fall where it should.
        
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        September 27, 2021 10:53am
      - alloytoo
        
        That’s the prevailing pattern.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:36am
      - Jack5
        
        R.W. Capitalist is right.
        
        The subsidised media (or owned media, in the case of State TV and State radio), allege dissension, potential coups, and disaster in National whenever trouble looms for the Ardernists.
        
        It confirms that Key made a useful hit on Labour when the Herald hacks claim he hurt Collins.
        
        The media desperately want National to be Labour Lite and lock in State media handouts.
        
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        September 27, 2021 9:33pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      And yet the headline is a double punch in the guts, designed to further destabilise Collins.
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:20am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Indeed Loddenthinks; the headline only covers around 10% of the content of the interview, but it was good for clickbait!
        
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        September 27, 2021 9:27am
      - Prince
        
        Yes, along the typical media narrative of ‘Collins still denies eating babies’.
        
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        September 27, 2021 10:55am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes I was surprised that Tova actually let Judith speak for once and actually answer the questions.
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:36am
    - Bob
      
      Judith controlled the entire interview, even to the point of giving Toxic a lesson on what constitutes an interview question.
      Obrien was the most subdued that I have ever seen her.
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:38am
      - lifesgood
        
        That is until Toxic’s true colors came out at the end. Nasty piece of work if ever there was one. Judith owned her though.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:58am
      - pdm
        
        Kev O’Brien Nash eyeing the PM job is scary. He would be even more useless than Jacinda and that is frightening to say the least.
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:05pm
    - pdm
      
      PerhapsTova and other media are saying to controller and generous funder Jacinda – give us more dosh or we will start being fair to Judith.
      
      That will illicit some foul language on the 9th Floor
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:18am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        To go with the fowl stench of incompetence?
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:10am
      - blue collar
        
        I think the penny has dropped that one day labour won’t be in power and
        A the money will dry up
        B CEO’s Can be appointed and hv a left wing clean out just like labour did to the right wing
        C if there is a media fund , there will be a quiet word that no money will be coming stuff or heralds way , unless so n so dropped
        The next election isn’t guaranteed , even the latest polls show this , and they may be thinking … we might hv backed the wrong horse …. should’ve been apolitical
        
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        September 27, 2021 7:22pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Abstinence by Judith mid week may have caused Tova to rethink her attacks a little.
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:07pm
    - Unity
      
      Yes, but Tova ruined it at the end when she reverted to her old self and went on and on about a Leadership challenge which isn’t going to happen. I thought Tova was very respectful in the beginning but then a leopard doesn’t change its spots and she reverted back to the real Tova. Toxic and unprofessional.
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:35pm
  - Philview
    
    John Key has made the Government look out of touch and uncaring. They are scrambling now to fight back but it is too late. It doesn’t matter what National do next as they aren’t in charge.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:12am
  - jon
    
    Sir John has clearly got Cindy rattled with her response today!
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:01am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      The Standard already has at least two articles on John Key! Boy does he get them riled up!
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:13am
      - Colville
        
        Stuff have 4 articles attacking the Key opinion piece.
        
        There are some butthurt lefty snowflakes out there!!
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not at all. At present National are seldom allowed to be visible. When they are reported that is to cause dissension. The media money must be considered as an electoral bribe.
    John Key made an excellent observation that has got up her Highness Jacinda’s nose and caused a real scowl. JK didn’t get to be PM without the smarts and now Jacinda has swallowed his bait. The more that join this affray the better. We are going to have to re-position National and their Act friends despite the media.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:39am
    - Paulus
      
      My wise wife said that despite John Key and his comments that she agrees with the women of this country will not let go of Jacinda whatever anybody else says or does.
      She cannot explain why, however, as she says she doesn’t know.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:02am
      - Bob
        
        Paulus,
        You had better start explaining to your wife, and her friends about the evils of Communism. Use countries like Venezuela, Belarus, Sth Africa, Namibia and the now defunct Soviet Unions as examples of why communism is plan for economic failure.
        Suggest that they think about the future for their grandchildren now, and compare it to the helicon days of their youth.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:51am
      - trout
        
        Yes, the women have, up until now, blindly voted for JA. Wait until they realize that Johnny, wife, and grandchildren are prevented from coming home for Christmas (and that they cannot travel), that the family SUV parked in the driveway is now ‘verbotten’. (add the possibility that the family batch may be off limits for the rest of the year.).
        
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        September 27, 2021 3:25pm
      - Sacha
        
        I know quite a few women who have changed their views in recent months. They are over COVID, both vaxxed, and not. So far, they don’t seem to be concerned about finances but they are pissed off because the government isn’t “doing anything” about their election promises. They don’t seem to understand that because Labour has a total majority, National would be wasting its time to deliver policy before election year.
        I tell them that Labour would only grab their good ideas, but even then would probably still stuff up.
        
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        September 27, 2021 7:27pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    I thought the most interesting thing about JK’s statement was that in a week where Judith was at pains to stick up for the anti vaxers (and vaccine-hesitant) that JK sent one across her bows by spelling out the exclusions there should be for those that don’t vaccinate. It went a little deeper than that earlier when the “exclusion group” was identified as having gang members.
    I saw JK’s comments as undermining Judith deliberately or at least a question of what the f is she doing now.
    In the meantime is Judith trying to shore up support as JK beats the drums?
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:57am
    - I remember when
      
      How is the eye now. Has the specialist given you a date for when they expect to remove the patch.
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:31pm
    - Mrs_Right
      
      The only person that got undermined by his comments is Jacinda.
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:45pm
- pdm
  
  Perhaps she should get John Key to release it he will get more coverage than Jacinda’s paid for media give her.
  
  A bloody disgrace.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Works with Clark, why not Key, I mean, people actually like Key . . .
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:36am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I hope it will include increased ICU capacity, either permanently and/or the ability to add capacity at short notice if needed. Apart from vaccination, that is the most important measure government can take and has been completely neglected and hardly mentioned.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:17am
  - alloytoo
    
    I agree with you on the ICU capacity.
    
    We also need some off the shelf remedies for mild cases so that they don’t impact on the health system at all.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:40am
  - [email protected]
    
    If people die unnecessarily because of lack of ICU capacity that will reflect on the government and the way they have dealt to this epidemic.
    
    If the percentage of covid 19 victims that die is much higher than other countries due to the lack of ICU facilities then that can be used to prove that the current government has not done well for Kiwis.
    
    There is nothing like a child, parent, husband, wife or other loved one dying to focus one’s thoughts on how the government could have done a better job.
    
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    September 27, 2021 5:51pm
  - Sacha
    
    You cannot “add capacity” to ICUs at short notice.
    Apart from the fact that it takes time and is expensive to train staff, there is the question of special facilities which are not installed in regular wards. And ICU nurses are quite different to many regular nurses: they like working machines, and controlling their environment. They are interested in the human body, and how they can keep it in balance enough to enable it to recover from whatever ails it. They know about brains and lungs and hearts and kidneys and how they interact. Often they are the ones who teach young doctors about ICU. They have to be alert to the slightest change in the patient’s condition, and get medical help instantly.
    If you visit an ICU, don’t be fooled by the apparently relaxed and smiling nurse who is talking to you – it’s likely that there is an expert practitioner looking after your friend.
    
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    September 27, 2021 7:42pm
    - [email protected]
      
      True, it is difficult to add ICU capability quickly. But it became apparent a long time ago that this virus was going to put a lot of people into the hospital, some of whom would require intensive care. Any reasonably intelligent person in charge would have made the decision over a year ago to meet that challenge. It’s called being preemptive instead of being reactive.
      
      Too bad a number of people are going to die before their time because the people who we trusted were not competent to make the right decisions when required.
      
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      September 27, 2021 8:40pm
- Sacha
  
  ‘peer reviewed’?
  By whom? Are there people anywhere who have experience in successful covid recovery?
  All I have been able to find is that the world must accept that covid19 is now endemic and will have seasonal influxes, usually in autumn.
  Which makes sense, based on past viral invasions –
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:39am
- curry4me
  
  Tony Stuart: Good idea. Make sure it’s on social media, and their e.mail list. also YT,Bit Chute etc.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:58am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  That means Toxic Tova has already been leaked a copy of that by Simon Leaking Bridges and Tova has given it to Chippie who will shred it to pieces.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:55am
- Warren Murray
  
  Labour has a plan too. It hasn’t been published because it keeps changing every day, but, regardless, it involves, borrowing billions, hugs and a lottery. It also involves most of what John Key said and that was absolutely already clear to the Team of 5 million, even though it hasn’t been published. Labour’s plan is better than Key’s because of the aforementioned hugs.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:59am
- Over40SingleMan
  
  Whatever the policy I hope the Nats can set a target well below the aspirational 90%. It is obvious minorities dominated by Maori will hold NZ back from achieving better than average vaccination rates.
  Once everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated we should swing the doors open and manage the consequences. Using this strategy will allow a firm date to be set in stone and this should be before Xmas!
  The current bunch of student politicians are more than willing to have ferals, the dim-witted & other minority groups hold the country to ransom.
  KFC vouchers anyone?
  
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  September 27, 2021 1:54pm
mikenmildagain

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Best ten New Zealand political biographies:

Coates of Kaipara by Michael Bassett
From the Cradle to the Grave by Barry Gustafson
John A Lee by Eril Olssen
John Ballance by Tim McIvor
Sir Joseph Ward by Michael Bassett
Michael Joseph Savage
My Way by Barry Gustafson
To be a Hero by Edmund Bohan
Tomorrow Comes the Song by Michael Bassett and Michael King
Walter Nash by Keith Sinclair
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September 27, 2021 8:00am
- Jibber NO Jabber
  
  ? Would this be the most tragic post of all time?
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “No Jibber Jabber in my courtroom”
    
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    September 27, 2021 2:06pm
    - Jibber NO Jabber
      
      I pity the fool !..? ?…
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:52pm
- oc35
  
  Why the downticks?
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:13am
  - Prince
    
    Mikenmildagain. Don’t bother reading, just downtick. If he’s not attacking National, it must be a clever ploy to appear human.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:58am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I thought you died in 2016. Rock on. Loved your guitar solo at the tribute to George Harrison.
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See? The diversion smartarse comment. Just downtick and don’t feed the troll. He gets in these moods once a month
      
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      September 27, 2021 4:00pm
- pdm
  
  You forgot John Keys Book Mikey – oversight?
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Roger Douglas?
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:52am
    - GJM
      
      Bob Jones – who after all was a founder of the short lived New Zealand Party, set up mainly to get rid of Muldoon.
      He has published a lot. His famous book “The First Twelve Months – The Achievements of The Third Labour Government” is due for an update and reprint. All it will invove to cover the curent government is a change of title.
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:38am
      - Prince
        
        Yes I still have my copy. Only half way through though. How does it end ?
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:00am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No one would write a biography of Jones while he is still alive.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:22am
      - Crisplion
        
        Agreed. Jones is actually an entertaining writer, unlike most of the rest.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:34pm
      - I remember when
        
        GJM:
        Understand it will be called “The First Twelve Months – Seemed To Go On Forever!!”
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I did not include autobiographies.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:38am
- Bob
  
  What rubbish !
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    In what way, Bob?
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:03am
    - Bob
      
      mikenmild again…
      see the comment by RW Capitalist, read and digest.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There is no biography of Roger Douglas. His books have included some autobiographical material, though, so when someone does write a biography of him there is some material already to validate or dispute.
        
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        September 27, 2021 2:11pm
  - pdm
    
    That fellow Vaughan might.
    
    Might need another nose job though after Bob reads it.
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:10pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bob Jones will probably get a biographical treatment when he can no longer sue people.
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:14pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  So
  By and large leftie tombs extolling the supposed virtues of their subject.
  Not necessarily untrue but coloured all the same.
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  No actual achievers only self promoters
  Says a lot about your political slant, if this is all you have read.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:22am
  - MCos
    
    Michael Bassett may have been part of the Lange cabinet, but he is hardly left wing.
    Neither are Douglas & Prebble.
    
    Apart from that I have read the Walter Nash biography and found it far more interesting than I was expecting. It should be entitled ‘The Life & Times of Walter Nash’ because it covers NZ’s political history from c191o to c1980.
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:58pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I re-read it a few weeks ago. He probably deserves a reappraisal now that he has been dead for over fifty years.
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Look out for:
  Which deceased New Zealand Prime Ministers are most in need of a biography?
  
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  September 27, 2021 2:16pm
Warren

The Herald must think New Zealander’s are stupid or need a laugh at the expense of their Newspaper with its News Letter sent out to all their Premium customers.
This Paragraph is obviously the joke of the day : more than ever our readers need accurate, trustworthy information that cuts through the noise and tells them what they need to know.
The Premium News Briefing is an indispensable daily rundown, ensuring you start the day well informed about what’s happening in the News and where it’s going next.
If you have time to read one thing in the morning make it this.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/our-new-look-premium-morning-newsletter/QPJ6O4QVSOSPFSERKTFWXJLNJI/
You have to ask yourself when they go to these lengths, sure you would have though they would have got there financial backer Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to sign this trustworthy message.
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September 27, 2021 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Much of today’s edition is given up to analysing the results of a Talbot Mills Research ( formerly UMR ) poll showing huge support for vax , lockdown measures etc .
  
  The poll is even touted by the paper as an assertion against Key’s views which they published in yesterday’s paper.
  
  One wonders how much of this is all orchestrated in the editor’s office to keep the headlines , controversy and circulation going .
  
  Subscribers and the general public are mere puppets in a bizarre and sick theatre of the absurd.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    One wonders how much of this is all orchestrated in the editor’s office…
    
    Not to mention wondering how much of it is being orchestrated from the Prime Minister’s office, in particular her comms deoartment…
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:32am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      The podium of truth has been the lefts undoing, the citizenship take what spews forth from this platform with a large dose of salt.
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:48am
      - oldfella
        
        Dago, it’s also known as the ‘Podium of Strewth‘. 😉
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:04pm
  - jv
    
    Dodgy polls are being rolled out daily, dodgy or otherwise they all do nothing more that reflect the success of PM’s monstrous control freak fear campaign.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:38am
    - Bob
      
      Proving that JK’s comments are accurate!
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:46am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I would have thought the poll was broadly in support of John Key’s views. He wants a very high level of vaccination then opening up, which was pretty much what the polls say. The consensus level is 90% of those eligible. And given John Key’s view on getting vaccination rates up he seems to go along with that. Given that Auckland is at 82%, it seems that 90% is doable.
    The Herald also had a poll from September that had 5% against vaccination, and 6% saying unlikely. Way down from earlier months. Again an indicator that 90% is the obvious goal.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:50am
    - Cinematic
      
      No a bad goal so long as soon as we hit 67% fully vaccinated there is an immediate cessation of all covid restrictions. Just like in Norway.
      
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      September 27, 2021 8:56am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Norway is at 76%, at least with one shot. That is basically 90% of the eligible.
        
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        September 27, 2021 9:29am
      - krazykiwi
        
        What does ‘opening up’ mean to you. Genuine question. It is something my colleagues are discussing. There are some very different views.
        
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        September 27, 2021 10:36am
      - Cinematic
        
        Norway has opened up fully with no restrictions at 67% fully vaccinated. That is the point.
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:54pm
      - MCos
        
        Maybe that’s fine with Norway, but also they may be in a better position than us to make that decision.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      Whatever , but that’s not the Feralds ‘ view, front page 2nd bullet point of 4 ;
      
      “The result contrasts with a public appeal yesterday from former PM Sir John Key for NZ to break out of its ‘smug hermit kingdom’ ( that term was boldened, for effect no doubt ) by opening the border faster like Australia”
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:09am
    - Nukuleka
      
      So Auckland is 82% fully vaccinated with 2 doses of the vaccine? And NZ overall is only around 35% fully vaccinated?
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:34am
      - MCos
        
        I think you’ll find it’s one dose in Auckland.
        All that means is we’ll go down a level or two, which puts us back to where we were pre Lev 4.
        Auckland can’t be open to international visitors without MIQ before anyone else because they’ll just be stuck here rather than wherever they came from while locals will be able to go anywhere.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:16pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Problem is Wayne – I’d argue it’s not doable particularly if this is 90% of the population as opposed to 90% of vaccinated population.
      
      For whatever reason in almost all Western counties there are between 20-15% of the population that are either anti-vax, vaccine hesitant or indeed feckless and lazy. Shot Bro, KFC vouchers or any carrot or stick approach won’t work.
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:42am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        One way of getting some of the vax hesitant on board would be to offer a non rMNA vax option such as Novavax.
        
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        September 27, 2021 6:29pm
    - virtualmark
      
      90% seems like a good point to aim at.
      
      But we should also have a date commitment as well. Otherwise we risk getting to, say, 88% and then having an argument about whether the vast majority are stuck in purgatory because of a few percent of hold outs.
      
      There needs to be a “coming ready or not” date at which point the unvaccinated will just have to take their chances.
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:09am
    - NoFax
      
      Don’t disagree with you Mr. Mapp, however, there seems to be a certain haziness over the 90% is first dose or both? I have seen the PM move a few times on that.
      
      Second, I don’t think we should necessarily wait for the target – rather we should allow the opportunity and if not then we move on.
      
      Third, I am unsure if that is a good target. If we look at age groups affected by Covid mostly it is the elderly by far. If we look at the vaccination rates then we see the elderly are nearing that 90% mark, those 65-69 are over 72% and 80-84 is at 85%. I am not that worried if a healthy 25 year doesn’t get it. So let’s focus on hospitalizations and deaths. We have had over 1100 delta and no deaths (a 90 old woman who had DNR order doesn’t count.)
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:22am
    - Prince
      
      90% is doable, although the last 5% or so across the country will be hard work. Ardern doesn’t want to commit yet until she knows it is in the bag. She can keep saying ‘as high as possible’ because she knows she has 70% of the female vote, 80% of the overseas vote, 90% of the Maori vote in the bag.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:04am
      - I remember when
        
        Would want a poll on that “80% of the overseas vote.”
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:51pm
    - namron
      
      The majority of us NZers do not live in Auckland and recent events seem to completely ignore this fact.
      There is a growing annoyance with the way news media reports events with little consideration given to the majority of NZ’s population and area.
      Acknowledgement of this fact by the Govt and news media would be appreciated.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:31am
      - Bob
        
        Equally, what percentage of people outside the ringfenced Auckland area are vaccinated?
        We never hear any figures about the real world south of the Bombay Hills; only generalisations; and the south has been at level two for weeks now.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:57am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Opening up is basically Level 1 and freedom to travel and return. I thought Sir John had set it out all quite clearly.
      
      I appreciate you don’t like the idea of vaccine certificates, but it seems that they are going to a be a thing. Sir John was mentioning bars and both he and the PM have referred to big events as requiring proof vaccination tis participate. I already know a few people who say that they don’t want to work alongside unvaccinated people.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:58am
      - Cinematic
        
        My take on the vaccine passport is it’s a popular idea amongst the older age brackets and toxic to the younger voter. So I hope Labour tries to implement it.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:06pm
    - Warren Murray
      
      That’d be fine, if the Government didnt keep shifting the goal posts and stopped prevaricating on what happens when the very elastic target is reached.
      
      While the PM has indicated level 4 lockdowns might be taken out of the toolbox, that doesnt really mean much. Level 3 is level 4 with stakeouts.
      
      The Government hasn’t signalled when it will relax border entry. That’s hard to do because it involves undoing it’s fear stratagem, which has been so successful.
      
      John Key has also said that the last 20% will be hard to reach.
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:10pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Interesting that according to our world in Data. No country has achieved 90% vax?
      
      So why does anybody think that NZ can achieve that in the next couple of months??
      NZ as a country is at 65%
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:12pm
    - crikey
      
      Immunologically, it needs to be 90% double-vaccinated.
      
      My thought, though, is that this Labour government is trying to change the narrative so that they can change when 90% have only one dose. A problem with that is a percentage of the single-vaccinated will then not bother to get the second dose.
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:49pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    If you look at the comments to the stuff article by JK.
    They agree with him and many slam the govt.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:54am
    - Prince
      
      Thing is, Lefties are as likely to read a John Key column as I am one written by Helen Clark.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:06am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Then sir, I suggest you need to read more clark….how else are you to know just how bad she really was.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:54am
      - Colville
        
        Lefties love to be angry so they will read the piece by JK just so they can vent about it.
        
        He is the anti-Christ aftercall.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:10pm
- G152
  
  If you tell a lie often enough to a gullible audience they will believe it.
  Fake news now has no editorial constraint and those with barely hidden agendas flood us daily with their worldview.
  If another political view is present it doesn’t get reported, instead the ‘reporter’ interviews his prejudice and reports that
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:27am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Straight out of both Goebbels and Lenin playbooks.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:55am
- BAM
  
  A large chunk of the herald subscriptions have been purchased by government departments.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:38am
  - Prince
    
    That should be the first act of any National Govt. Cancel the various newspaper subscriptions funded by Govt Depts.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:07am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Two lots of $55m worth by all accounts.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:11am
- Bob
  
  tells them what they need to know…..
  very much the MSM, particularly the Herald mantra.
  Media should be reporting on all the factually accurate information that people ‘ need to know’, in order to ‘form their own opinion; not the present practice of telling people what they should be thinking. i.e the journalists agenda opinion.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The statement “more than ever our readers need accurate, trustworthy information that cuts through the noise and tells them what they need to know” is 100% accurate.
  
  The irony is that the Horrid’s readers are not getting it from the Horrid.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:27am
krazykiwi

I see The Lancet has got themselves into a spot of difficulty: –

The Lancet was accused of sexism and dehumanising women after it editors used the term, which was written in an article titled ‘Periods on Display’, on the journal’s front cover in an attempt to be inclusive to trans people.

The article, which was published on September 1st, examines an exhibition exploring the taboos and history of periods at the Vagina Museum in London and sees the writer use the word “women” but also use the term “bodies with vaginas”.

I’m not sure what’s more troubling: that London has a Vagina museum, or that the world’s oldest scientific journal is trying to be more hip/woke than scientific.
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September 27, 2021 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Again.
  
  They published the notorious Daszak letter condemning so called conspiracy theories on the Wuhan lab escape without declaring any conflict of interest when he and others who penned and put their names to it were donkey deep with said lab.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:23am
- Jibber NO Jabber
  
  From the Twittersphere,
  
  A once-respected medical journal now reduces women to nothing more than “tits and ass”.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    In this case it was specifically front bum.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:44am
  - Nickc2
    
    What did he do with the leftovers?
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:14am
- NoFax
  
  First, sorry accidently hit “report” rather than “reply” I hope the Mods see this.
  
  When I saw this I thought hasn’t the Lancet basically used a polite form of the “C” word. Isn’t that why the term is so offensive to women as it reduces them to a mere body part.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:25am
  - oldfella
    
    @nofax:
    
    …the term is so offensive to women as it reduces them to a mere body part.
    
    Or reduces them to a Marama Davidson acolyte. That green girl’s a big fan of the C-word don’t cha know?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/new-zealand-mp-uses-c-word-at-rally-in-call-to-reclaim-it-from-abusers
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:14pm
- arkhad
  
  You will never find them or anyone referring to ‘bodies with penises’.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:33am
- Ehlana
  
  It was incredibly insulting and dehumanising. We have had, for as long as English has existed, words for humans born with internal reproductive organs: female, girl (juvenile), woman (mature). We have also words for those born with external reproductive organs: male, boy (juvenile), man (mature).
  Those words describe the members of those groups and I am unaware of any consultation with those members on changing the nomenclature.
  The Lancet should have more respect for its readers.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:56am
Tom Hunter

Hi folks.

I thought I should let you all know that Kimbo, a long-time commentator here at Kiwiblog, and other NZ blogs, has died.

When I first met him in 2017 he’d just got cleared from cancer, after a lot of radiotherapy.

But in April this year it came back, as it often does, and this time it could not be stopped. It was close to the aorta, which meant it would not be slow but lights out at any time, which is probably about as good as it gets. That happened on Friday morning.

We met because of a shared love of baseball and rugby and it happened right here on Kiwiblog as he shit-stirred me about the Chicago Cubs. You can read about that and other things here at The Actuary Cometh.

He loved arguing here at Kiwiblog and if he ever pissed off any of you in debate well, that was not intentional.
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September 27, 2021 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Sad news; rest peacefully Kimbo.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:04am
  - Warren
    
    His comments were some of the best I read when he was posting, sad rest in peace Kimbo.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:10am
    - Jade Warrior
      
      Although he had not contributed much to this blog in recent times, he continued to make worthwhile posts on Karl DuFresne’s blog up until about a week ago. I also fondly remember his many colourful exchanges with a certain Ms Bright several years ago.
      
      Farewell Kimbo – I will miss your unique perspectives on the issues of the day.
      
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      September 27, 2021 8:42am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Tony, I had to laugh looking at the threads from 2016 when you were in Chicago at the same time the Cubs were getting it done. Such as here and here and here
    
    You had a hell of a trip and we laughed at your “postcards”. Good times.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:53am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      We sure did have a helluva trip, and being in Chicago when the Cubs won the World Series was the icing on the cake.
      
      The Friday before the All Blacks game was amazing. The AB’s did a public appearance at a square on Michigan Avenue just before the Cubs’ victory parade passed by. Officials estimated there were 5 million people in downtown Chicago that day, and it was an absolute buzz.
      
      We did consider getting tickets to Game Five of the World Series, but the only ones for sale were standing room only, and they were selling for US$1500; slightly beyond our budget!
      
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      September 27, 2021 9:39am
      - Prince
        
        That wold be the day before the AB vs Ireland game, when we lost to them the first time ever.
        Not a great idea to join that celebration.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:10am
- dime
  
  Really sorry to hear that.
  
  R.I.P Kimbo
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:53am
- curry4me
  
  Tom Hunter: RIP Kimbo.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:07am
- alloytoo
  
  Thank you for letting us know.
  
  I’ve always found Kimbo’s comments engaging and worth reading.
  
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  September 27, 2021 12:40pm
- Swifty
  
  RIP Kimbo.
  
  Thanks very much for this Tom and for your piece on No Minister.
  
  I had Kimbo over to the house a number of times where the wine flowed, the BBQ flared and the pots rattled.
  
  A great guy to have a yarn with – I’ll miss our debates very much.
  
  Cheers again Tom.
  
  Swifty
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:20pm
Tricati

Listening to Robertson on Mike Hosking show this morning and all the answers were, we are looking at that, taking expert advice, going to give details in days and the like.
There were no concrete, or definitive answers just a lot of flowery words which sums up this government well. Always someone else’s fault, or the experts have told us but no action; unless it improves their vote.
Good on John Key for calling them out, and suspect the PM’s spin doctors will be working overtime for some ‘smug’ responses.
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September 27, 2021 8:01am
- pdm
  
  Reasonably fair coverage of John Key through most of the media. There were still a few `kill John Key’ idiots around but from what I stumbled over he got a fair go.
  
  Makes it clear that media coverage on anything Judith Collins says is controlled from the 9th floor of the Beehive.
  
  Jacinda must be shit scared of Judith to ru a campaign like that.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:21am
  - artemisia
    
    Do you think that relentless negativity about National leaders is less personal but more not very subtly encouraging the impression of coups , dissension in the ranks and instability?
    
    I would say it is at least part of it, and Judith should quietly smile and stick to her plan. And if behind the scene there is an attitude towards the media along the lines of Foxtrot Romeo Oscar, that would be an even better plan.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:03am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      If Judith & Co stick to how she and Bridges handled the Nation/Q+A interviews re “coup/dissension ” it will become abundantly clear that “anonymous leak” references are purely porkies or keyboard interview sources.
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:58am
      - Paulus
        
        It is now being promulgated in the Tauranga boondocks that Simon will not stand again in Tauranga, and the local Labour schoolteacher Jan Tinetti will take the anyway.
        Not convinced but Simon’s behaviour is puzzling.
        
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        September 27, 2021 11:10am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    TBH I’m pretty sure Labour were sh!t scared of anything Simon Bridges said pre-Covid. And during the first lockdown, the Facebook hit campaign appeared straight after Bridges had demonstrably proven how useless Nash and Jackson were as ministers.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:24am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      1) Porkies or keyboard interviews?
      2) Simon – don’t know? – he appears ambitious still but unlike Muller he’s got political nouse and pretty good functionality in the “reptile instinct” part of his brain despite being rolled. I think he’s sincerely committed to the Party so maybe another Bill E. He’s young and still got plenty of time.
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:38pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Sorry Suze – actually meant to be a reply to Paulus.
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:43pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Have you ever pondered the idea that the current Govt is actually two Govts divided along racial lines?
      You have the cabal comprising Cindy, Robbo, Nasy, Parker, Little, Twyford, Faafoi and Co.
      Then there is the Maori cabal (Caucus) who also consider themselves a Govt comprising Allan, Henare, Mahuta, Davis, Whaitiri, Jackson, Rurawhe, and Tirikatene.
      Perhaps that’s why Cindy’s not answering questions about Three Waters and He Puapua?
      
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      September 27, 2021 4:58pm
  - crikey
    
    PDM: “ Jacinda must be shit scared of Judith to run a campaign like that.”
    Ardern needs to start thinking about her back-bench MPs. A fair number of them are going to be without a job after the next election if Ardern continues down the track of democracy-destruction. The drums are beating!
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      It is now impossible for Jacinda Ardern to refute the “Fear Factor”.
      Each time she threatens Auckland with the possibility of an extended lockdown, or tells us not to talk to neighbours, or to dob-in folks or businesses, then she confirms that FEAR is a major part of their Covid policy.
      
      And every time Jacinda Ardern takes to the podium to deliver her boring homilies and self-congratulatory factoids, then we can see how closely NZ-Aotearoa resembles the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:17pm
- kowtow
  
  The front page of today’s Ferald has already put Key firmly back in his box .
  
  Funny how the Media Pardy can have it both ways.
  Publish Key yesterday , whip up the commentariat and only 24 hrs later , whack , and very publicly .
  
  Never trust a journalist.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Spin doctors are not real doctors so their advice if followed would be like getting an injection of cowpox when all that was needed was a pat on the head.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:39am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Do you mean a “cow pat” on the head?
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Cowpox produces nasty rashes.
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:49am
- Bob
  
  The spin doctors, and the Ardern caucus are spinning so fast that they will all be sea sick before morning tea break… nine til elven in govt departments probably the same in the basement of Fraser house.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:51am
- Ruawai
  
  In the Hosking interview Robertson said he wouldn’t name gangs as the heart of the current outbreak cluster but they were quick to label the Assembly of God church. Are this Government afraid of the gangs?
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:15am
Wired-one

Typical no answers, no ideas interview by Ardern on the AM show this morning. The best thing about Sir John speaking out is that it has finally made our MSM question our path forward and they have started to demand answers of this government and PM. Keep on spinning Jacinda, it’s waking more people up.
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September 27, 2021 8:03am
- Ruahine
  
  John Key reminding every one who read his article that this gov’t is spending borrowed money at the rate of a Billion dollars a week and not a single thing to show for it.
  This has upset Labours propaganda department.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:57am
  - Sacha
    
    Yes, because money was John Key’s forte.
    They had to resort to outraged nagging about ponytails, cups of tea, and soap to try and detract from his capable management of the economy.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:52am
    - Paulus
      
      Do I not remember that when the Labour NZF coalition took power the Government Surplus – note Surplus, was $28 billion.
      It is now around $140 billion deficit and climbing rapidly.
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:33pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When the economy is finally wrecked Pooh Bah’s going to have to explain to Cinders why the people can’t afford to buy toilet paper.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:53am
    - Nickc2
      
      I haven’t seen anything from Robbo or Cindy disputing John Key’s figure of $1Bn per week of printed/borrowed money so he not only told the truth, he put them on the spot. Also of note is that the MSM hasn’t queried that figure either to the best of my knowledge.
      
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      September 27, 2021 5:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, she looked decidedly flustered towards the end of the interview. I always mute the sound whenever her Mellon appears on my TV.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:31am
- Flossie
  
  She seems insistent, every time I see her on the AM show, that she be “allowed to finish”. She gets a pretty fair go as far as I can see. Anyway what would be the point on having her appear if she doesn’t at least get ASKED the questions (I know getting any answer is not going to happen)
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:18am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  One thing about TV vs radio. Ryan B is being very insistent about try to get a “straight answer out of the PM ” instead of her waffle. He let her run a couple of times this morning then went straight back in. Watching the facial/body language of both was quite amusing. Not sure who was most frustrated with the other. I don’t think she can afford to go the way with Three as she did with Hosking Newstalk ZB.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Prime Minister really needs to explain why she thinks the dodgy Mongrel Mob meth programme deserved funding.

It was not a programme favoured by knowledgeable folk in The Ministry of Health.

“Clearly the unease with this programme also extended to the Ministry of Health, with the Group Manager of Addiction saying the fact this programme was shortlisted was a ‘real pity’.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2109/S00227/mongrel-mob-meth-programme-gets-dodgier-by-the-day.htm
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September 27, 2021 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  From the link given:
  
  The Prime Minister has more questions to answer on the Mongrel Mob meth programme as it’s reveal the time the project would run each year decreased as the overall funding increased, National’s Health spokesperson Dr Shane Reti says.
  
  In the 71 days between the initial funding application and the detailed funding application the amount of time the project would run each year decreased by about 40 per cent from 48 weeks to 30 weeks but the overall funding went up nearly 50 per cent from $1.9 million to $2.75 million.
  
  “If the amount of time the project is running decreases, it would stand to reason that the total cost should too,” Dr Reti says.
  
  “Instead, the programme has increased by a whopping $850,000.
  
  “This isn’t the only issue with the programme, there’s no hard evidence that the participants in the meth pilot had actually used the drug at all,” Dr Reti says.
  
  It sounds as though someone is absolutely creaming it.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:18am
  - Warren
    
    So Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister must obviously value the Mongrel Mob over Nurses in New Zealand if she is prepared to gift them $850,000 for a problem they don’t seem to want to be straight up and honest about.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:39am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW
  A lot of the decisions made by Nanny Ardern are based on an emotional response to problems created by hard line hustlers ie- the gangs.
  The gang bosses are great manipulators in the pursuit of money and influence and they don’t care who they use to achieve their aims.
  It is ironic that many Labour Party supporters drum their heels against the “big business cronies” of someone like Sir John Key and accuse them of ripping off the poor to accumulate (tax paid) fortunes, yet its fine for the gangsters to have $$$$$ under the mattress from their drug importing and dealing business empires – and pay no tax.
  But they are good boys and girls really, eh.
  And – colonisation…………the go-to excuse for anti-social behaviour.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Now Cronyism too. Mahuta has appointed her sister to help appropriate the Pakeha assets.
    (Cinders seem to be unaware of the palace coup underway.)
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Cindy is blind to the movements of the Tainui family, by stealth.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:14am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You can be sure other tribal elders are not unaware. Where’s their share of this loot of the Pakeha?
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:20pm
    - oldfella
      
      Kev, does the appointment of Mahuta’s sister to the Maori Health authority pass the smell test? Was anyone else even considered?
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:26pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I don’t know the details. Nanaia’s status is sufficient for her to act within her cultural context. We are not in Paki land any more.
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:25pm
    - crikey
      
      The word you need is ‘nepotism’.
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:02pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Tribalism–It’s all over the Pacific. I had to master it when I worked there.
        
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        September 27, 2021 4:23pm
- kowtow
  
  None of this matters .
  
  The “team of 5 mil” are firmly in her trench and the only thing that matters is Wuflu and “winning” and now they’ve managed to get the psyche of the legions of Little New Zealanders all whipped up , to be the best in the world .Despite all the stuff ups and a totally shit health service .
  
  Not to mention the ongoing attacks on the constitution and all the other failures to deliver .
  
  There’s literally only one story in town.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:31am
  - crikey
    
    I don’t recall down-ticking one of your comments before but you get one this time. Your comment ‘a totally shit health service’ does great disservice to the dedicated and hard-working staff who continue to labour under chronic under-funding.
    
    Imagine what it might be like if the country could spend the $1 billion a week we’re borrowing to improve health services through, particularly, additional staffing.
    
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    September 27, 2021 1:10pm
    - kowtow
      
      Fair enough .
      
      How ’bout , a totally shit health service in the face of a global pandemic .
      
      But actually the health service is not fit for purpose in ordinary times and the comment is not directed at staff who as you say generally do a great job in the face of totally shit funding.
      
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      September 27, 2021 2:32pm
Benedict Yu

A question for the economists.

Before COVID, tourism was New Zealand’s biggest export earner.

Tourism was New Zealand’s biggest export industry, contributing 20.1% of total exports.

Tourism generated a direct annual contribution to GDP of $16.4 billion, or 5.5%, and a further indirect contribution of $11.3 billion, another 3.8% of New Zealand’s total GDP.

https://www.tia.org.nz/about-the-industry/quick-facts-and-figures/

I had thought at the time that losing all that would have put the economy into a slump. And the massive loss of foreign exchange would have caused a devaluation in the NZD. I mean you can’t keep buying Audi SUVs without foreign exchange. So you need to either ration foreign exchange like the National Government did ih the 1970s or allow the NZD to devalue in a big way.

But instead it is like boom time. I see colleagues buying $100000 SUVs on the back of their soaring house equity.

Also I have never heard the PM once remark on the impact of New Zealand on the loss of foreign tourism.

Anyway I’m going out in my 2002 Toyota Celica to get a coffee. Then I have a zoom meeting with a public sector client at 0830. Well actually 0835. I give them 5 minutes to finish the Maori singing. And no I’m not making that up. ?
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September 27, 2021 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Good question
  
  Suspect the answer is tourism wasn’t a big part of GDP as reported. A lesser factor a lot of the international tourists dollars stayed outside of NZ anyway. Especially Chinese tourist money. Chinese paid for their NZ holiday in China and the only money that made it to NZ covered the costs. Also even spending money here in NZ the transactions occurred in China.
  
  But overall tourism not a big money earner as reported.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:41am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Backpackers etc arrived with some imported money, spent most of it on a van, earned living costs in NZ then sold the van on exit. So really that was a net neutral foreign exchange too.
    
    Ditto cruise ships, most of the big turnover for inflated shore based activities was pre purchased. They also provisioned for each cruise in and out of Sydney.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:24am
  - crikey
    
    Simon: “Chinese paid for their NZ holiday in China and the only money that made it to NZ covered the costs. Also even spending money here in NZ the transactions occurred in China”.
    
    Really? No money was transferred here, NZ providers gave their services for nothing? I don’t believe it.
    
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    September 27, 2021 1:15pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I see colleagues buying $100000 SUVs on the back of their soaring house equity.
  You are spot on about the damage caused by not caring about out tourist industry.
  
  Borrowing against the enhanced equity for a car is foolish. These are times of great uncertainty and the price levels do not denote prosperity but inflation and speculation. It’s only a matter of time before that bubble bursts. The longer it goes on the harder the landing will be.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    You are of course quite right , however govts have now twice sent very clear messages to markets that they will not tolerate a bust ( GFC and Wuflu money printing)
    
    The question is how big can the asset bubbles get before they do pop . And what then?
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:18am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Any ~~govt~~ gulliblement of this quality that tries to emulate Canute will find the seas on top of them.
      
      I am not going to speculate on the course of this likely misfortune. The issue is of concern globally. Too much money has been created/printed. Remember Weimar?
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:01am
- Ra Henare
  
  Just a small correction. Labour introduced Exchange controls in 1938.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/two-cents-worth/story/2018672459/this-year-will-be-different
  
  I well remember in the early 60s having to apply to the Reserve Bank(via my bank) to obtain overseas funds.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:53am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, one also had to have overseas funds to buy a new car.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:35am
    - curry4me
      
      Nick2: Yup, dad bought a new Holden every two years when he owned a farm.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:15am
      - oldfella
        
        And back then curry, farmers could sell their two year old Holden for more than they paid for it.
        Ah, those were the days, my friend. 😉
        
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        September 27, 2021 12:30pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I had to do that to get a magazine.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:02am
- westernScientest
  
  There are a couple reasons I can think of. First is because the accounting for tourism as an export earner is really difficult, and was likely quite inflated. i.e. in reality tourism doesn’t earn nearly as much as is claimed.
  
  Most of the NZD liquidity comes from speculation, rather than from an actual product (or service) which is exported. This is a big part of why our dollar is quite volatile, so in the short to medium term, trade surplus/deficits are less important than to a lot of economies, as long as international speculators still think there is money to be made on the NZD.
  
  Agriculture, forestry, fishing/aquaculture, etc. where we actually export products reliably are where the NZD gets its value. So when COVID hit, and tourism dried up, the value (as in why the NZD is a good investment) didnt change, if anything it became relatively more attractive, than other economies. This is why our dollar has stayed high, it has nothing to do with not having covid here.
  
  Investors dont look at NZ and go: Great a tourism economy, that will perform well. They look at tourism as a negative, because it adds risk, and if you want to be exposed to that risk, there are better tourism economies to invest in. Primary production is viewed as a positive, because it is fairly stable, always in demand etc. NZ is one of the few politically stable Ag economies, think of the others, would you be particularly bullish on the Argentine peso?
  
  In the long term, our trade balance is important, but tourism is not a good stable industry to be using as an earner of foreign currencies, Ag and other primary production are.
  
  In short, the dollar wasn’t really effected by tourism, because it really isnt that important to the value of the NZD. But watch our dollar collapse if Ag is in trouble.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Money moves other money. The loss of tourist receipts is having massive effects. Domestic cash flows impact life here and public revenues. Not a time for amateurs to be wannabe commies.
    The daily Fx rates are an international plaything.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:08am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You mean like covering the country in pine trees?
    
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    September 27, 2021 7:01pm
- amospicton
  
  You’re making the logical assumption Benedict that increased supply lowers the price. But currencies are priced on the market (ie not always logical/rational) and currencies are always relative i.e. the value of the NZD versus some other currency. And because essentially every major country is also increasing the supply of their currency it essentially cancels out. Ultimately the whole thing is a vast confidence trick that relies upon the belief that a dollar is still worth a dollar.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:32am
- Matt Long
  
  Benedict, the thing about tourism is it’s a two way street, wealthy New Zealanders were spending possibly more on overseas travel than overseas tourists were here.
  Incidentally as regards your question of a couple of days ago regarding discrimination, I see such legislation as the ERA and RTA do refer back to the Human Rights Act.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:48am
- NoFax
  
  I think Benedict you have forgotten the $100b borrowing and wage subsidies. Without the wage subsidies I suspect we would see some rather ugly scenes out there.
  I too can’t understand how anyone spends $100k on a car. I am of the rule that one doesn’t spend more than 10% of one’s income on car.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    True, unless you are an ostentatious twat. Jap imports are amazingly cheap and reliable. Cost less than 10 dollars a day to own, (and don’t waste vast amounts of export earnings like the govt does on flash new car fleets). Anything else is just a fashion statement.
    
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    September 27, 2021 1:17pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  I would need to dust off my economics textbooks.
  
  5.5% + 3.8% = 9.3% of GDP, which sounds massive. This is because this is a massive hit to GDP.
  
  I think NZ GDP is circa $300 billion, so this would be approx 10% so around $30bn.
  
  We were ruined, without some response.
  
  However, the government has borrowed an additional $130bn (until 2023). This has enabled an additional $130bn expenditure over a few short years.
  
  When government spends money, there is a Keynesian multiplier. Someone receives this money as income, then minus tax and savings, they in turn spend it, and so it goes on. The effect of $130bn government spending will be much more than $130bn improvement in GDP, which is why we have seen GDP do well, since the government printing and spending.
  
  The problem is, of course, that this injection of borrowed funds will one day need to be paid back. The above can go into reverse…
  
  The second problem, that you allude to above, is the current account deficit (exports minus imports). It may be that this hasn’t deteriorated so badly, because the fall in exports (tourists here) have been largely offset by the fall in imports (New Zealanders holidaying overseas).
  
  Nonetheless, having such a deterioration in gross overseas currency earnings will, I believe, reduce our capacity to import goods and services in the future.
  
  Basically, in my view, an economic disaster has been covered by unsustainable massive borrowing and money printing.
  
  Thank God for Mr Key.
  
  It’s time to open…
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:02am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Since start of pandemic an eye-watering 20% of NZ GDP has been government borrowing. Labour are pretending things are good economically in NZ, which is about as far from reality as it is possible to get. It will take a generation or more to pay off what they have pissed away through their incompetence.
  
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  September 27, 2021 2:57pm
Cinematic

John Key going a little too far with his comments around workplace vaccination. But to be clear he didn’t explicitly say he supports mandatory workplace vaccination.
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September 27, 2021 8:17am
- Simon
  
  John Key liken zero covid nut jobs to the North Korean cult system was accurate. Look at them foaming at the mouth.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:43am
dcrane

Key on the domestic “vaccine passport”:

“That’s not a radical thing by the way, our daughter was in Paris a few weeks ago … and if you don’t have your vaccine passport you’re not going to get in there.”

Um, John, you forgot to mention that protests have been rocking France for weeks over the issue.

I’m beginning to think Key’s supposedly government-challenging appearance on the covid strategy is a planned Trojan horse to soften the public up here on domestic passports, facial ID spyware, etc.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-aucklands-40th-day-in-lockdown-18-cases-yesterday/DSUHDDY2TFEZXLFBE56FTYVSXQ/
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September 27, 2021 8:17am
- BAM
  
  Yep, Key said it’s a great idea, he’s National so it obviously has consensus across the board.
  
  Key sticking his oar in like that does rather undermine Judith Collins.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Judith is undermined by the Liabore media bribery. There will have to be arrests for that later. Meanwhile citizens not on the targeted denial list will need to speak up or street up.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:12am
- Andrei
  
  John Key is the archetypical Davros type and vaccine passports along with other instruments to control the general population are their wet dream.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  No radical? Being required to submit to being injected with the latest therapeutic concoction every 6 months in order to buy an ice-cream from Mr Whippy …. and this is not radical?
  
  Key is seriously off the mark with his advocacy of state mandated medical documentation for daily life.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:11am
dcrane

An interesting Substack article on other coronaviruses, and the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of vaccines to deal with them:

“There is good reason to think that HCoV OC43, a common betacoronavirus responsible for minor cold-like symptoms in humans, started out in cows. It is closely related to bovine coronavirus (BCoV), which has long caused serious respiratory illness and diarrhoea in cattle. In all likelihood, the bovine virus jumped to humans around 1889, and was the pathogen behind the so-called Asiatic or Russian Flu. Intriguingly, this is the only other novel coronavirus pandemic we know about. It unfolded across the world in multiple seasonal waves, lasting in some places through 1895.

Today, of course, OC43 is a minor virus that nobody cares about. A big part of the reason it doesn’t matter, is that everybody develops multiple infections in childhood, when (as with SARS-2) the symptoms are minor. As adults they therefore enjoy substantial protection when they are occasionally reinfected. Keep this in mind every time somebody tries to convince you that keeping schools closed and children immunologically naive is somehow the best way forward.”

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/bovine-coronavirus-and-us
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September 27, 2021 8:19am
- virtualmark
  
  It seems clear to me that Covid-19 will follow a very similar trajectory to OC43.
  
  A novel virus that no one has pre-existing immunity to.
  Sweeps quickly through the global population.
  Kills a few percent of them.
  The rest begin to develop immunities.
  The virus remains endemic but because we now have anti-bodies to it it does no significant damage beyond a head cold.
  
  Difference between Covid-19 and OC43 is that vaccine science has moved on a lot in the last 130 years and so the “developing immunities” bit can now be handled by vaccines rather than leaving it to nature … which reduces the death toll a lot.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:16am
- Happy1
  
  Thanks dcrane, I had never heard of oc45. Interesting google.
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:10pm
Yvette

Has a string of talk-back hosts, most recent being Peter Williams (retired) been “deplatformed”, perhaps because of their criticism of many aspects of this Labourless Government, when their bosses are in fact appealing to altruism of the same Government?

Commercial radio urges MPs to rein in RNZ
Government plans to reshape public broadcasting have been going on behind closed doors – but the future role and scope of it have been aired in one forum: the review of RNZ’s Charter. In hearings that ended this week, commercial radio bosses urged MPs to rein in RNZ’s efforts to attract new audiences – and to scale back efforts to make public media ‘bigger.’
… A ten-page lawyer’s letter attached to it – dating back to the height of the RNZ Concert / new youth network controversy in March 2020 – claims RNZ and its management were not acting in regard to its own charter and to the detriment of the wider radio industry.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018813733/commercial-radio-urges-mps-to-rein-in-rnz

Can you appeal to Jacinda’s compassion when you are being a little nasty to her?
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September 27, 2021 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Did peter Williams “retire” or was he “retired”.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:50am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    He disappeared without warning. Def pushed, not sufficiently team of $55million, so no room for him in NZ media.
    
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    September 27, 2021 3:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ha! Private radio don’t like competition. Let’s face it, there’s no private radio in NZ. There’s radio funded by Vote, and radio funded by subsidy.
  
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  September 27, 2021 7:07pm
Benedict Yu

So all Chris Hipkins can say is that John Key was insulting to call New Zealand a hermit kingdom.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/covid-19-response-minister-chris-hipkins-criticises-sir-john-key-for-pandemic-response-column.html

No considered, reasoned response to what is the most sensible cogent view I have read on the New Zealand situation for some time.

Quite sobering to think how different things would be if he were in charge

What John Key addressed was what I have asked and asked for the last year “What is the path out?” An elimination strategy is the opposite of a path out. Because elimination can only be achieved by a hermit kingdom. Simply because of the limitations of the vaccine that the PM has never acknowledged.

I would actually go further. I am concerned that the Government is in no hurry for “a path out”. Because the hermit kingdom suits them politically.
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September 27, 2021 8:23am
- Scott
  
  Quite right Benedict. I’m very sure this Covid dystopia we currently live in suits our Prime Minister perfectly well.
  
  It was really good to hear from John Key and his sensible analysis. Really nice to hear from some adults in the room again.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:25am
- Morry45
  
  Yes!! Can anyone please answer this?! I am in the Tourism Industry and for the life of me can’t understand why we have been so left out in the cold. Our Industry was the biggest earner and paid the most tax, but now we are seen as the enemy!
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:27am
  - I remember when
    
    And the supplier of a considerable amount of employment, even if it could be argued that much of it was in the lower paid bracket.
    Never mind Stuart is going to fix everything with his new utopian tourist industry.
    Rich people spending all their money on hotels, expensive meals and high class tours.
    No nasty pollution or over crowding.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Have you consulted the Mahuta’s about this–they seem to be taking over rulership.
    (What Cinders’s getting for that?)
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:54am
  - Dairy Flat
    
    It may be mere coincidence but the Soviet Union wasn’t big on international tourism either. Commie governments don’t like the proletariat interacting with outside sources of information.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Morry45, you are the ‘enemy’ in the PM’s eyes because allowing your industry to operate presents a risk (or rather a certainty) that her Zero-Covid strategy will fail.
    
    Now as many of us have known for 18+ months, it will fail anyway, meaning your industry and it’s people are unnecessary collateral damage.
    
    Remember, there is to price too high for you or any New Zealanders to pay in order for Ardern to appear strong on the world stage.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:19am
  - Max Howler
    
    sadly, its not the only enemy. along with anything to do with Oil & Gas, landlords, farmers, small business owners (actually scratch that – ALL business owners) tourists, double cab Ute owners, and anybody else with even a hint o money
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:33pm
- I remember when
  
  Other than having a ‘no details revealed’ plan very similar to ‘any plan that sounds like it might work’ Chris Hipkins spent a lot on Q&A talking fast, but saying nothing.
  The comparison with Professor Tony Blakely on what Victoria should do was striking.
  It was great to hear an “expert” talk about what should be done rather than what couldn’t, shouldn’t, mustn’t.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I especially liked John Key’s comments on Prime News last night about this Government’s constant use of self-congratulatory messages.
  
  Exactly like North Korea.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:43am
  - JerJer
    
    He was completely correct. The country has been presented with a lemon and it has been sold successfully to the majority of the people.
    
    If the incompetents in charge had had even a little bit of a plan we would not be in the situation right now where we have very low vaccination rates, potentially years behind the rest of the world before we get out of this, and slowly going broke.
    
    We got told that elimination was possible. It’s not, and we are slowly learning this. We got told that we had good MIQ facilities, we don’t. We got told that we were first in the queue for vaccination, we weren’t. We got told that you had to have special skills to provide the vaccine. That wasn’t the case, now we have it being injected at buses and pharmacies. We also got told a lot of other bollocks, like there is no natural immunity after infection and all sorts of other stuff that simply is not true.
    
    My bet, we top out with vacccinations at 65% of eligable population.
    
    You will have the following demographics that won’t get it.
    
    Pacific Island and Moari who don’t trust it or can’t be bothered, Anti-Vaxers, Vaccine histitant, and people that want choice between vaccines. I, for one, have not had it, and I won’t have it until a date has been announced for full re-opening. One month prior to that I will get the vaccine, and hopefully at that stage there will be a choice. Having the vaccine one month prior will give maximum protection, as the coronavirus will go through the whole population and the people that had it six months ago will have a lot less resistance (and they are mostly the population at risk).
    
    We need someone like John Key, that can articulate a plan, rather than waffle a bunch of maybes.
    
    Everytime I turn on the radio I hear some crap about now being the time to book my vaccine so I can protect “Aoteawoker from the viwuth”. It is really actually starting to grate on me, and it would be so much easier if an actual adult took over and explained what needed to happen by a specific date in a few simple steps so that x things can happen and this could all be over. At the moment it is just a slow moving train wreck, and I think it is about to get worse as more and more people start going broke, committing suicide and generally ignoring whatever the PM says from here on in.
    
    On the plus side, it is going to be interesting to watch.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:39am
    - Cinematic
      
      Your tactic around the vaccine is sound. Until a date is announced, with a solitary vaccine that fades quickly in effectiveness, it makes no sense to get it now.
      
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      September 27, 2021 6:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Smug hermit kingdom.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:48am
  - coge
    
    And a bankrupt Nanny State.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Anyway the PM has responded to the Key piece. She says:
  
  “Lockdowns were used last year because we had no way of protecting everyone. But with the vaccines, then people have a personal protection but this also relies on a decent amount on people being vaccinated. Vaccines enables us to take the harshest restrictions away, Ardern said.”
  
  ——
  
  But … does she understand how the vaccine works in the real world? Israel uses Pfizer and has a 12 months start on New Zealand.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-drop-pfizer-vaccine-protection-against-infections-still-strong-2021-07-05/
  
  “Vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% since June 6, [about 8 months in total] the Health Ministry said. At the same time the vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalizations and serious illness from the coronavirus.”
  
  ———-
  So let’s be clear:
  
  *** 12 months after your second dose you will be highly vulnerable to being infected with COVID. **
  
  Is the PM aware of this reality, and does she have any comment on this for New Zealand policy?
  
  Fortunately it seems that after 12 months the vaccine will provide 93 percent protection against serious illness. But make no mistake, that means that 7 percent of vaccinated people will NOT be protected against serious illness.
  
  I am utterly astounded that none of these realities are acknowledged by the New Zealand Government. While the PM does not say so directly, all of her statements infer that this COVID vaccine will work like a measles vaccine, which for practical purposes provides 95 percent protection against infection and 99.99 percent protection against serious measles illness – and for life!
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:44am
  - RockyJ
    
    Absolutely! To me there are two pillars to our way out.
    The first is max vax because that reduces the severity of the disease.
    The second is dramatically increase our hospital capacity to care for those who do get seriously ill from Covid. This has also been neglected as Andrew Little has been focussing on setting up his apartheid health system. It takes time to increase ICU capacity and Little has squandered 18 months. This was foreseeable.
    Make no mistake even at 90% vaccinated there will be more Covid cases if we open up. The government will be reluctant to open up because then their negligence would be exposed by the bodies piling up outside hospitals.
    
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    September 27, 2021 9:54am
    - alloytoo
      
      Three.
      
      Investigate reliable off the shelf remedies for mild cases so that they don’t clog the health system.
      
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      September 27, 2021 12:50pm
  - Ruawai
    
    JA and Susie had a great laugh together on RNZ this morning at silly John Key and his comments.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:22am
    - Prince
      
      Difficult to say which of those two leans more to the left.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:40am
    - lifesgood
      
      Oh man, you listen to that? Here’s a suggestion, tune into Hosking on Newstalk. I swear your blood pressure will go down.
      
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      September 27, 2021 3:29pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Surely you mean Israel has detected the drop in efficacy after 6 months.
    
    As my dear old Mum used to say öne swallow doesnt not a summer make””
    
    Interesting to compare Portugal and Singapore.
    Since both hit 76% vax last month. Singapore death rates have gone up, Portugal down..
    
    Great source for epidemiologist(professionals not KB amateurs) to analyse.
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:31pm
I remember when

Labour is clearly not going to have to be in any real hurry to ‘open up.’
Not when 70% of those surveyed still support lockdowns to ‘elminate’ covid.
Why would they.
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September 27, 2021 8:27am
- jv
  
  Another contrived compliant political poll
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:45am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Exactly!
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:05am
- dcrane
  
  Would like to know the question wording. Many might agree the current lockdown was necessary while also holding the view that the government’s incompetence is to blame for having slow-walked the vaccine rollout.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who the heck designed this system where addresses and phone numbers of Victims of assault and sexual abuse are delivered to the Offender?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/452366/crime-victims-details-given-to-offenders-via-ministry-of-justice-form
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September 27, 2021 8:32am
- igm
  
  Possibly a remit at Labour Education Camp, now it becomes protocol . . . it is the perpetrator, not the victim that counts!
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:48am
- Warren
  
  You could bet your bottom dollar that Geoffrey Palmers name will be attached somewhere as every piece of Legislation he has been involved in has tuned to shit . Typical Labour Party Legislation.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:16am
  - riffer
    
    Well that is completely incorrect.
    
    The Senior Courts (Access to Court Documents) Rules 2017 were signed by the Governor-General and passed into law on 7 August 2017.
    
    That puts it squarely at the feet of the National Government.
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2017/0193/14.0/DLM7379845.html
    
    The Sixth Labour Government has governed New Zealand since 26 October 2017.
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:47am
- riffer
  
  Amy Adams was in charge of Justice when this legislation was passed into law.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    Amy last seen packing her bags when the klutz’s coup failed in 2020, how she will be missed.
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:32pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I think what she did was a shocker. She tossed her toys. No time for people who toss their toys.
      
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      September 27, 2021 3:27pm
WaveyDavey

“I have asked and asked for the last year…”

You and me both Benedict. NZ politicians/the establishment seem to have an inability to see beyond the end of their noses

Over a year ago I asked where was the work on the “what ifs” was and was shot down… “it’s too early… let’s just worry about now… it’ll be fine…” and of course the classic “you want granny to die” (looking at you Batman)

Someone far, far smarter than me has said “lockdowns, easy to get into; not so easy to get out of”

I think it’s scandalous that NZ doesn’t appear to have had a team working on an exit strategy since day one – had they been you can be sure that we’d have long since heard about it from the Podium of Truth

I also think it’s shocking that this government (and the establishment) still refuses to accept reality: we can’t save everybody, people are going to die and we need to have a grown-up discussion about that. 18 months later and we’re still in the kindergarten playing with unicorns
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September 27, 2021 8:40am
- dcrane
  
  Even more shocking than the slow-walked vaccine rollout has been the huge decline in hospital ICU capacity. You couldn’t design a better strategy to trap NZ into lockdowns.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:02am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum just called to see if I knew when the ‘$2 Shop’ in Onehunga was opening. Run out of shampoo .
She was saying Talk-Back was running hot last night with people wanting to discuss JK’s suggestion…… “that Maori & Parseefaakaa health providers should provide a financial incentive for everyone in South Auckland to get vaccinated in the next 6 weeks”
A lot thought that certain elements in society who were holding the country back from reaching the 90% threshold, are mainly the uneducated and unemployed, who often exhibit a ‘Stone-Age’ mentality towards such things. Gangs were mentioned.
Ma reckoned the caller-of-the-night went to a gentleman who phoned up to suggest Jacinda send in a fleet of her Vaccination Buses, all branded….. ‘JABBA JABBA DO’.

😀 😀 😀
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September 27, 2021 8:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  John Key was smart in suggesting a cash payment for ethnic jabs. It is likely to have appeal.
  
  The wisdom of the jabs themselves is a different issue.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘cash payment for ethnic jabs’
    
    Smart ?
    
    Really ? I think it’s paternalistic , patronising and in this instance ,racist . It reduces citizens to the level of a dunce , motivated only by some paltry incentive , rather than by a rational, informed choice.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:11am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Run by tribal groups, who will expect a return as well. They wont see it as paternalistic but an opportunity. Similar tactics work well elsewhere in the Pacific.
      
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      September 27, 2021 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        Or at least have a large fan blowing fried chicken smells around the neighborhood!
        
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        September 27, 2021 1:04pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Seems short sighted to me. It sets up a situation similar to where the last guy to sell to the developer wants a few million for his run down shack.
    Why get vaxxed now when the price might be higher next month?
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:36am
- dcrane
  
  PhDs are the most skeptical towards the covid vaccine:
  
  https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:26am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Seen a few mentions in recent days that vaccines are suppressing cancer fighting elements of immune systems. Something new to keep eyes peeled for (given censorship of anything antivax)
    
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    September 27, 2021 1:23pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, tell your partner’s mum to be more assertive.
  
  She shouldn’t be seeking shampoo.
  
  She should demand REALpoo…
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:21am
- MCos
  
  There’s a $2 shop open in Mangere Bridge.
  Bring mum over in the Porsche.
  Just stick a Warriors flag out the window and you’ll fit right in.
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thanks for that Cossie!
    Just called Ma to let her know.
    She said…. can you check with him the bridge is actually open?
    Last time she headed to Mangere the bridge was closed due to Union picketers.
    
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    September 27, 2021 6:52pm
    - MCos
      
      Your local MP has the secret code.
      
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      September 27, 2021 10:39pm
I remember when

Vaccination Card:
* How long will they last before needing to be renewed.
* Will cards need to be renewed each time you get a booster dose.
* How long will it take for a replacement card to arrive.
* Will the card show which vaccine type was used and will all countries accept every vaccine.
* How high will the bar be set for the future. How infectious will a disease need to be to require a ‘Vaccination Card.’
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September 27, 2021 8:55am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, this cluster of incompetents can’t fix the homeless or run MIQ properly, so the chances of getting the Jab Card correct are doubtful. There will be more holes than Swiss cheese.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Punishment for not carrying you card
  Those with natural immunity
  Lost card?
  Thought…
  Since there is a relatively high (for a “vaccine”) chance of catching covid after vaccination, Will there be compulsory testing AND vaccination cards?
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Yipes, we will be able to have booster card bonfires.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:17am
- BananaLlama
  
  You don’t get cards anymore. You will have to carry an electronic tag on your mobile device.
  Have fun with that.
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:44pm
- MCos
  
  Apparently the UK doesn’t recognize vaccines done in Thailand.
  
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  September 27, 2021 6:00pm
Stu2

Stuff has a decent article on the state of the ICUs and specialist nurses

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300414293/covid19-icu-staff-plead-for-kiwis-to-be-vaccinated-amid-bed-nurse-shortage
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September 27, 2021 9:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Totally scandalous mismanagement. Should be the main issue in NZ news discussed daily on all programs to embarrass the govt into fixing it ASAP. It will cost NZ 10’s of billions in delays to opening up.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:58am
- RW Capitalist
  
  When you consider, there is a very good manufacturer of ICU and other hospital beds in Taranaki.
  and
  They did have sales around the time of the first L4 lock down.
  As far as I know, it was not a big sale and it was for Australian hospitals.
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

So our PM realises that a high vaccination rate won’t stop the virus from spreading.

“So just making sure that people know that our researchers and evidence overseas is telling us that a high vaccination rate doesn’t stop outbreaks.

“I think there may be an assumption that once vaccinated Delta disappears and unfortunately no country has seen that.”

So what’s the plan for the future then, when folks are vaccinated and virus outbreaks keep occurring?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/452372/jacinda-ardern-says-fear-not-part-of-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-strategy

She’s not got anything on the books apart from more lockdowns and the possibility of quarantining at home.
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September 27, 2021 9:28am
- CherryCat
  
  And more vaccines, mix & match ‘booster’ shots that have never been tested in combination.
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  “I think there may be an assumption that once vaccinated Delta disappears and unfortunately no country has seen that”
  
  No, Ms Ardern, it wasn’t an assumption. It is a belief held by most NZers on the basis of government messaging, while telling the same NZers to ignore other information sources because your government represents the single source of truth.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    All this drama and financial stress she’s put us through for what? She told us from the PoT that her aim was for elimination through Vaccination, Isolation and Masks.
    Now, the rest of the world has come to the conclusion that it can’t be eliminated. Vaccinations don’t stop people getting the damned thing or spreading it. Lockdowns only lead to the destruction of economies. Now we NZers realise Masks are only for hiding identities of Gang Members selling their drugs during lockdowns whilst they themselves are unvaccinated.
    All this, and she’s still hell-bent on elimination FFS.
    
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    September 27, 2021 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, those were the lies that she told and she and the media continue to tell.
    
    Over the week end HDPA was earning her $ by flogging the story that unvaccinated are holding us all hostage – clearly not consistent with vaccinations not stopping the spread of the virus.
    
    If anyone assumed that the virus was going to work (ie. from the perspective of providing herd immunity) then they were a fool. Coronaviruses have never been controlled in the past. But she has helped fuel this myth with her nonsense equating MMR vaccinations with CV19 vaccinations.
    
    The down side of that false equivalence she has drawn is that when people see that the CV19 vaccine does not stop infections they will also withdraw from MMR vaccination too. Why get MMR vaccinations if Cindy says they are as good as eachother?
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See? She does not comprehend the shit she speaks. It is just waffle
    
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    September 27, 2021 3:55pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      To Arden and her fellow travelers, truth is mutable. To these people it is possible, laudable, and true to declare that black is white one day, and black is red the next. Objective measurement of truth is impossible, because truth is whatever they decide it should be in the moment in order to achieve the desired outcome.
      
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      September 27, 2021 7:28pm
- Ruawai
  
  Govt should ask proposals from private businesses for MIQ for their potential employees and if suitable give them a license to provide MIQ for their own staff, that will relieve some MIQ pressure. Also 2 x negative tests and you should be able to cross the Auckland boundary.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:18am
I remember when

Of course Shaun right:
Australia Covid cases/Deaths – 1 Aug – 25 Sept 2021.
Cases 61,677: Deaths 296: Population 25.86 million.
So using these figures to arrive at Shaun’s 7000 deaths.
Number of cases required = 1,458,310 or 28% on New Zealand’s population.
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September 27, 2021 9:43am
Stephen Russell

Germany voted overnight in a federal election. Key takeaways from (so far) projected results:
* Centre-Left SDP has come first (as expected) with 25.9%, to the CDU/CSU’s 24.1%
* Greens and Left Party have dome more poorly than expected. This means that the most radical outcome: a “Red-Green-Red” coalition of SPD, Greens and Left would not quite have the numbers.
* If projected results are bourne out there will be just three viable coalition possibilities:
– A new Grand Coalition between the two main parties, but with the SPD in the top seat (almost no-one wants this)
– A “Traffic Light” coalition of SPD, Greens and Free Democrats.
– A “Jamaica” coalition of CDU, Greens and Free Democrats.
All of these are basically centrist coalitions.
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September 27, 2021 9:43am
- snoup
  
  Centrist by German standards perhaps.
  However in modern democratic countries, support for mass Muslim immigration isn’t centrist.
  And as for flag colour based coalition descriptions, aside from “Jamaica”, “Kenya” is another one.
  Love it how Germans name their coalitions after Third World countries. So fitting.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:30am
RW Capitalist

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300416052/covid19-live-latest-updates-on-the-delta-outbreak

from the article

He is wrong,” Ardern told The AM Show when questioned specifically on this wording. Hope and luck has not got us to where we are today, she said. “It was not luck, it was a plan” and every New Zealander has played a roll in that, she said.

So you had/have a plan?
Don’t keep it to yourself Jacinda, let us know.
I’m certain Ian Foster had a plan and for the next game, has a plan.
Bet he doesn’t keep it to himself, bet he shares it with the team.
Come on Jacinda, If you want the plan to work, you have to share it with the team of….5000000
You’ve had 18 months to refine the plan and deliver it so we can win this thing….
Or as we suspect, are you just winging it and hoping for the luck to go your way?
or
as I suspect and you have past history re plans and promises……you wouldn’t know a plan…if it bit you.
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September 27, 2021 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and BTW, there was/ is a plan.
  It’s called “Influenza Pandemic response P L A N c2017″ on the MoH website.
  YOU did NOT follow it.
  You chose, instead, to lie…..”We went fast and early”
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:02am
  - Bob
    
    I believe that the PLAN c2017 was researched and prepared by a National government; so therefore is not suitable for use by a government composed of school children; the words are more than one syllable long.
    
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    September 27, 2021 12:16pm
I remember when

No end in sight for shipping turbulence:
Exporters look set for another season of disrupted shipping, with little expectation of improved global logistics for 12-18 months.
It is unclear whether this will permanently alter freight logistics.
In the last year 102 fewer ships visited Tauranga, but they exchanged more containers suggesting larger ships.
The coming export season is not expected to be better than last season.
As the expectation is that imports will not be affected, it will be interesting to see how that will affect the balance of payments.
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September 27, 2021 9:51am
nathie

Did anyone hear Hosking interviewing Grant Robertson this morning when he mentioned “gangs” a couple of times in relation to covid?

Interesting that Robbo would’t use the word “gangs” himself in response (instead he calls them “marginalised groups” or words to that effect).

There was an article on bfd over the weekend on how both (Labour) Government and the MSM try and avoid using the word “gangs”, so much so an MSM outlet edited their online news headlines to remove the word “gangs” in later revisions.

(Heh perhaps Hosking and co can have some fun memes, like they did with the Tova/Jessica one, instead trying to make a Minister say the word “gangs” and see what the various answers are)!
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September 27, 2021 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  nathie, almost as if the gangs are their mates and must be protected. Scary if you believe the rumours circulating among the cafe crowd.
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:52am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… So who’s got the dirt on who I wonder?
    
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    September 27, 2021 11:42am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Many MPs, particularly on left, will have been regular recreational hard drug users at some point. Inevitable that some would be blackmail able. Karel Soubrek case was eye opening
      
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      September 27, 2021 1:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  Labour deliberately refers to Gangs as ‘marginalised groups’ because when the great revolution (reset) in NZ occurs, they will be their (Labour’s) Storm Troopers. Let’s face it, they’re the ones with guns. /sac
  
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  September 27, 2021 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING……

Ex Labor PM Helen Clark denies she was part of the local residents group objecting to hard rock band Guns N’ Roses playing at Mt Eden Stadium next year.

She told reporters….. “In no way were either her or husband Peter opposed to having the boys perform near their home……in fact they were both huge fans Axl and Slash”.
She went on to say, “Peter had all their old CDs and could often be seen playing ‘Air Guitar’ through the bedroom window.”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1442205241118793733
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September 27, 2021 10:55am
- Biscuit
  
  Startling News Follows…
  
  Biscuit is on Auntie Helen’s side here.
  
  (Had to happen ONE day!)
  
  She’d hardly come out with such a statement when, if she were lying, every member of the local residents group who’d seen her at a relevant meeting would call her out on her hypocrisy…
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:26am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, who else can see Peter playing air guitar through the bedroom window?
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That would be the master bedroom? ….
    
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    September 27, 2021 3:52pm
- Paulus
  
  On the day of the concert they will either move to one of their other houses, or be out of town.
  QED
  
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  September 27, 2021 1:44pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDHZ_1WM8s

Japan goes after China’s student spies and IPR thieves.

Chinese STEM students are sometimes used as spies. Foreign tech, including weapon systems are copied. They can’t refuse an official request for information. [6:00]
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September 27, 2021 10:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnIXhJZcoA8

Political analyst Matthew Goodwin on the Labour Party: ‘The red wall isn’t coming back anytime soon’.

I guess there won’t be a Labour PM in the UK any time soon. Life’s a beach for the ‘centre left’ everywhere. Social democracy is on the way out. Now it’s between tradion, heritage, history, and cosmopolitanism. [24:01]
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September 27, 2021 10:56am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and I’m just asking for competence and work ethic.
  would appear only Act and National have that.
  Remember a couple of things
  A Govt. to treat this as a JOB
  We should be looking for:
  The best govt. possible
  not
  The best possible govt.
  The first ranks the candidates
  the second is an impossible dream
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:44am
ex-golfer

Stolen from Twitter – but very appropriate:

There once was a man called John Key
Who won three times under MMP
He’s been gone five years
Still brings lefties to tears
And in their heads he now lives rent free
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September 27, 2021 11:21am
- RW Capitalist
  
  re Labour
  Is their an actual word for the ‘Fear of competence”
  
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  September 27, 2021 11:47am
- Bluegrass
  
  Reminiscent of this ditty:
  I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.
  The reason why, I cannot tell.
  But this I know, and know full well:
  I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.
  
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  September 27, 2021 12:57pm
Jibber NO Jabber

Oops, Fran accidentally lets her true feelings be known, ?
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/09/i-stand-with-fran-fran-osullivan-v.html

I #standwithfran. I agree with her comment. There was nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t matter how you spin it she’s called Hendy a bogus modeller. Fellow modeller Rodney Jones did that last week.

The poor old dear is well over 65 by now and clearly can’t use a computer properly. That’s her only crime. It was a private message sent to the wrong space in a woopsy.

The charlatan Hendy is demanding an explanation ?.

Scientists and modellers now dancing with the Ninth Floor propaganda machine are BULLYING senior New Zealand media from having free speech on a casual Sunday.

Hendy has turned out to be a cross between a weather forecaster and the mad old lady reading your palm at Victoria Park Market. His predictions are ridiculous.

Heather du Plessis-Allan, bless, also from Fran’s NZME has been doing gods work quietly and respectfully questioning him for weeks on her show. We have been laughing at Hendy for months.
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September 27, 2021 11:37am
Jack5

Geoffrey Palmer shows in Stuff today that you’re never too old to be Woke.

In an article on alcohol laws, Palmer is reported as saying New Zealand had a “British drinking culture” inherited from colonialism.

That explains why Britain ranks only 23rd in per capita consumption of beer in the first table linked to below, and 16th in per capita wine consumption in the second table.

New Zealand ranks 27th in beer drunk per capita and 22nd in wine consumption per head.

The tables show how meaningless it is to blame colonialism for faults. It’s hard to find countries that haven’t been colonised in one way or another: the top four beer drinkers, all European, have: the Czech Republic (occupied by Germans then Russians), Austria (by Germans then the Allies), Rumania (by the Russians), Germany (by the Russians and to a lesser degree by the Western Allies).

Is Tonga one of just a handful of non-colonised countries (Britain by the Romans, by the Frisians and Saxons, by the Norman French, for example)? It can’t mean countries that haven’t colonised others, because that would rule out Tonga, for example

Maori must be classed as colonisers. Human beings didn’t evolve on these islands. They came here in modern form.

Palmer, a law lecturer before he became a politician, shows the narrowness of a legal education.

Beer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_beer_consumption_per_capita

Wine:

https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/wine-consumption-per-capita
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September 27, 2021 11:41am
all true

We need to get urgently rid of these clowns whatever it takes otherwise we will land in deep sh…t and with regards from Uncle Kim Jong-un.
The latest they want to do with all the waters, covid’s, transports, health etc.
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September 27, 2021 11:48am
Fletch

Just as I knew they would, I see that 1 News is putting the question on Facebook, whether permanent Daylight Savings time would be good for the whole country. NO. NO, IT WOULDN’T. There is no daylight to “save” in Winter and you wouldn’t see the Sun until 9am. And no one is going to be out running or playing sport in the rain at the end of the day. And I don’t care if you want it light in the evening to walk your dog. I want lots of things too that I can’t have.

It was bad when they extended it, and will be absolutely horrible if it is made permanent.
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September 27, 2021 11:48am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Given that New Zealand’s centre of longitude is 172 degrees east, our proper time zone should be 11.5 hours ahead of GMT. So by keeping NZST at 12 hours we already have a form of year round “summer time” anyway.
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We’ve had the extra half-hour since 1941….
    The Chathams is ahead of the rest of us, tho’.
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/timekeeping/page-4
    
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    September 27, 2021 7:00pm
Suze Wainwright

Would many of the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand’s natural support base be the type of people who would be pretty much anti-vax anyway?

This nation’s Green MPs seem to be fairly quiet throughout Covid and lockdowns – especially for types who normally can’t do enough to promote themselves in the media.
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September 27, 2021 11:52am
- Paulus
  
  The Green people are all away in Glasgow for the month.
  
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  September 27, 2021 1:46pm
dime

I was talking to Mrs Dime last night about logistics for when one of us gets covid.

Heres the question that popped into my head…

Why on earth do we not have home testing kits than can give us an answer in 15 minutes???

Sure, you may get a false positive or negative every so often (pretty sure the test we have does that too), but its worth it.

I dont want to be the asshole who gives the rona to the 75 year olds in my life.

I am sure most of us will get the rona in the next year or two.. but that doesnt mean we have to make it easy.

So rather than wait 24-48 for results, it would be good to know in 15 mins so me or the family can ship out and isolate properly.

Apparently its bad to make covid “political” (unless its the covid election), but goddam this is all about the podium of truth controlling the message at all times.

Dime has been busy and hasnt been involved in politics for a long time, but these people in charge at the moment have pulled me back in..

lets just say – history will not be kind to this labour govt.

Hope you are all well

#Trump2024
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September 27, 2021 12:35pm
- kevn
  
  @Dime… Why did the clown circus ban the import of these self test kits? How are the transport operators accessing them?
  
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  September 27, 2021 2:00pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Good to see you back, Dime. How’s the Range Rover going ? 🙂
    
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    September 27, 2021 5:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dime is back. For good or just a visit?
  Now this Covid thing, there will be many who had it without knowing. Why are there no tests for antibodies? Woulg that fuck Jaspinda’s master fear/control plan?.
  Btw dime, if your visit is just a visit can you fuck a few leftie trolls off before you go? Please?
  
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  September 27, 2021 3:40pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Hang on Steve, he’s happily married now (I think still).
    You don’t put temptation in the path of an old sinner. 😉
    
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    September 27, 2021 5:11pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTIONS…..

1. Who is ‘Pedro Henrique Marques Da Cunha’ ?

2. Is he an acquaintance of ‘The MP for Tijuana’ ?

Asking for a friend.
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September 27, 2021 1:19pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Surely he’s just another ‘marginalized person’…?
  
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  September 27, 2021 3:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why would being a calligrapher quality for residency?
  
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  September 27, 2021 7:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Immigration NZ may have misread his Visa Application….
    should’ve gone to Spicsavers 😀
    
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    September 27, 2021 7:55pm
Fletch

Unarmed protest marchers in Melbourne confronted by an armored vehicle and counter-terrorism riot police firing rubber bullets. That’s what it’s come to now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYrMt1vFsk

Disgusting. Whatever happened to the right to protest? It’s telling that when ANTIFA or BLM take to the streets that the police leave them alone.
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September 27, 2021 1:38pm
- dcrane
  
  What’s really scary is how they clamed down on social media broadcasts and news choppers showing aerial views. The behavior of a communist dictatorship.
  
  Today some nurses have come out to silently protest in Vic. Goon cops and helicopters hovering around them, unsure as to what to do.
  
  https://twitter.com/freethetruth2/status/1442316839489392649
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:00pm
Wired-one

TVNZ are releasing their first poll since delta struck tonight. That’s convenient timing to distract from the hammering Labour have taken over the last two days isn’t it…
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September 27, 2021 1:50pm
mandk

I don’t think Fran should have apologised for telling the truth.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/nz-herald-journalist-fran-o-sullivan-sorry-for-calling-covid-19-expert-shaun-hendy-a-bogus-modeller-in-accidental-tweet.html

Hendy is not an epidemiologist. He should leave the modelling to people who are.
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September 27, 2021 2:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Cactus Kate has an interesting post on same.
  
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  September 27, 2021 2:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is a number cruncher. Given a result and TOLD “make this work or else”
  Btw, he is not very good at it – and he is a Professor? Being a Professor these days is like joining the Library – card with a number and mag strip
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:26pm
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, the only number-crunching stuff Cindy knows anything about are the variables built into the polling system software. I think she dictates which of those need tweaking to produce the results her mob’s paying for.
    
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    September 27, 2021 4:38pm
- Warren
  
  Yes but then to say that the text went to the wrong person and apologize to Shaun Hendry I would suggest she was censored or threatened with dismissal.
  
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  September 27, 2021 6:30pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you something else I wasn’t aware of till my partner got home…

It’s ‘Mental Health Awareness Week’
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September 27, 2021 2:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And it is also Chinese Language week. (and Tuvalu Language Week) but I haven’t heard or Read much Chinese in our Media today.
  
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  September 27, 2021 2:43pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Chinese language media here is all controlled by the United Front. And our domestic media has no real interest in promoting foreign languages.
    
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    September 27, 2021 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Full moon was last week, or it would be twice as bad
  
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  September 27, 2021 3:35pm
BeaB

Laughter is the best medicine.

Anna Fifield, editor of the Dominion and frequent visitor to North Korea, solemnly explains to Sir John Key, and us, why NZ is not like North Korea.

God help us. Jacinda Ardern really does have them under her thumb.
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September 27, 2021 2:19pm
NoFax

Latest vaccine figures show 77% of Eligible Population have had first dose. And 80% of Eligible Population have had first dose or are booked. That means there are only a few percentage of people who are waiting for their first dose.

I just checked “Book My Vaccine” website and I can get an appointment this afternoon and there are a lot more over the coming weeks. Which means those who have not booked are doing it not because they cannot find appointments. So we will hit 80% fairly easy (first dose) but after than it will require a different approach than what we are doing now.
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September 27, 2021 2:38pm
- dcrane
  
  Some of us won’t be doing it until we know the border is going to open for real at some time in the not too distant future. Otherwise its a wasted vaccine, esp. for those not in Auckland.
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:27pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Absolutely. Why vaccinate now?
    
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    September 27, 2021 6:54pm
BananaLlama

So ole John Key really put the shits up Cinders didn’t he.
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September 27, 2021 3:01pm
JohnnyOverton

Bye bye Frau (Mutti) Merkel.

Good old Berlin, my second home, is always up for some radical action. This is one way to deal with a housing crisis.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-berlin-locals-vote-to-expropriate-real-estate-giants/a-59315431

A key sentence; Campaigners believe that the legislation would be constitutionally compatible with Germany’s Basic Law under the never-before-used Article 15, which states: “Land, natural resources and means of production may, for the purpose of nationalization, be transferred to public ownership or other forms of public enterprise by a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation.”

Imagine this happening here? We would never be so brave, but if we were, most wealthy landed kiwis would grow wings & flock their way to Aussie.
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September 27, 2021 3:22pm
waripori

A woman who was in Police cells a few days ago has just tested positive for Covid. Means about a dozen cops get two weeks off. It also must mean there are hundreds of mild or asymptomatic cases abroad in South Auckland, mainly in groups of people who are reluctant to come to the notice of the authorities voluntarily. It seems as though a reasonable % of people presenting at Middlemore for other reasons, or breaking into hospitals, or being arrested have the virus. It seems unlikely all of the +ve cases have shown up.

Robertson refused to acknowledge to Mike Hosking the problem is with the gangs. Preferred to call them disadvantaged households. Until they admit where the issue is and do something about it there will be spread outside households and probably to their customers who could be coming from miles away.
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September 27, 2021 3:31pm
dime

So, if youre Shaun Hendy.. how badly do you want covid to end?

No more TV interviews, radio shows… no more newspapers articles about you every day..

you see where im going with this?
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September 27, 2021 3:45pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  And to keep it in the family, our nation’s msm will probably start asking his sister all about climate change figures…
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:28pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Do we know if he did the modelling for her?
    
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    September 27, 2021 4:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Never wants it to end dime. He is a sycophant of Jaspinda. So is Baker, Blofeld, and the rest of the ‘experts’ from the various marxist universities. Without the fear of Covid she is burnt toast and she fucking knows it.
  I know exactly where you are going with this – don’t stop.
  #Trump 2024
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:34pm
  - Mike
    
    Is one of those Trumps running for president in 2024?
    
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    September 27, 2021 5:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Will it be Ivanka, or one of the Fredos?
      
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      September 27, 2021 6:11pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Breaking news:
  Shaun Hendy releases modelling that shows if COVID is eliminated he would lose all his work and Govt funding.
  Surprisingly in the same model he announces 13,000 deaths will occur in the next six months and recommends an urgent move to nationwide Level 4.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:06pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Duncan Garner has written his first column for the NBR today.
I would have linked but paywalled.
My partner said he uses the handle….’Duncan Disorderly’

LOL!!
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September 27, 2021 3:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Drunken Gardener also fits
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Facebook just fact checked people thinking …..
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September 27, 2021 4:16pm
Billy

I think we can conclude we are definitely not getting to 90%, even just for the first dose by the end of the year.

It’s clear that basically only those with their first dose are getting vaccinated now (with their second dose). Percentage of 1st doses is going backwards, then jumps up a little. Overall, its so slow that as we get closer to 90%, its gonna slow down more and more. It’s already at a snails pace.

NZH says 77% have at least 1x dose. WorldInData.org shows our vaccination rates are already starting to peak. The last 10% is going to be painfully slow, basically not moving at all.
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September 27, 2021 4:19pm
- septic skeptic
  
  The mood of the country will change pretty quickly to “open up once those who wanted the vax have had the chance to get their second shot and two week activation time.”
  Then the question is how quickly will the ICU capacity get swamped by the anti-vaxxers?
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:38pm
  - Cinematic
    
    I guess we’ll find out. Norway is fully open at 67% fully vaccinated. Let us all know when Norway collapses SS.
    
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    September 27, 2021 6:57pm
- Fletch
  
  No country in the world has got to 90% vaccination. It was a stupid, arbitrary target to aim for. It’s meaningless. And worse, it’s not a magic cure. But it’s the only plan our leaders have. A target with no goal.
  
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  September 27, 2021 6:55pm
  - fernglas
    
    It’s not their target; it has been created by the press. The Government still will not commit to a target, probably because it knows just how hard it will be to meet a meaningful one. Has anyone been out there asking wharfies, construction workers and healthcare workers why they are not having the vaccination? Apparently, this Government will start asking after we get to 90%! The answer they are afraid of is that their core voters (no, not urban professional females, but beneficiaries, immigrants, Maori and Pasifika and minimum wage workers) have very large numbers of people who have views on the virus and the vaccine which preclude acceptance of it.
    
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    September 27, 2021 8:24pm
I remember when

Jacinda Ardently: 4pm Announcement:
Home Isolation:
“Our trial is similar in size to the one just beginning in Australia.”
Almost identical but no doubt we were thinking about it first.
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September 27, 2021 4:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda must have read my comment from a long time ago. Hawaii is open. Why can I not go to my own trust owned property and wear an ankle bracelet with a 100 meter geofence?
  Fuck she is thick, then wants to follow OZ but take the credit here. Pass the fucking bucket (empty first please)
  
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  September 27, 2021 4:38pm
- cmm
  
  This is only for up to 150 business people and is prioritised for people travelling on government business.
  
  Just in time for Jimmy Shaw and his 14 consorts – they won’t need to slum with the muggles in MIQ!
  
  I bet this is not new, but was decided a few weeks ago and was kept under wraps.
  
  No help for my neighbour who has been stuck in Aus for 3 months.
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:36pm
I remember when

Jacinda Questioned.
“Why, after 18 months, are you only talking about home isolation now?”
No the answer wasn’t, “Why, after 18 months, are you only asking that question now Jessica?”
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September 27, 2021 4:33pm
I remember when

When did yesterday’s 10 cases, all of whom had been either self isolating or in MIQ, suddenly become 12 cases, two of which are yet to be epidermiologically linked.
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September 27, 2021 4:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ask Hendy’s model – it will tell you ….
  Ask play school TV1 to ask.
  Ask the Plod.
  Ask the pink terror.
  Ask anyone who knows ____ CANCEL CULTURE
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:05pm
lifesgood

If the poll tonight shows Labour still riding high I call BS on it. I have just read this Herald article: “Jessica then Tova” PM’s curious 1pm news conference habit – on the NZ Herald’s FB page Of the 160 odd comments only a couple were supportive of the PM and her lackeys. Sorry I don’t know how to link it but it can be searched on their FB page.
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September 27, 2021 4:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The obvious cartoon rejoinder to that from Tremain: https://images.app.goo.gl/3LrfDS3NFjUU1fCT6
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Find it yourself, I am not your google lackey. Are you that dumb you want others to do your research because you are lazy?
“a bad call from a doctor” would be one of the only reasons he would not seek the Oval Office in 2024.
Here we go.
Trump is unwell.
Trump may have had a stroke.
Trump is getting divorced (remember that?)
Trump will be impeached again.
Mary Trump will take the ‘Don’ down.
Ellen Degenerous says Trump is not going on her show, Trump goes “What fucking show????”
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September 27, 2021 5:17pm
dcrane

I’m with this Neil Oliver guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n6jPn-zLIY

“They’re frightened. There’s fear in the air. You can smell it. It smells like victory. Hold the line”.
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September 27, 2021 5:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh what a joke this self-isolation trial is going to be..

limited to 150 folk (includes MPs and Government workers).

Folks need to isolate in a home/apartment that is separate from anyone else (no shared ventilation).

By the time the trial is over… Mid December, Parliament will be in recess for 3 months…

Don’t think Joe & Jane Bloggs will be trusted to self-isolate anytime before June 2022 at the earliest.
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September 27, 2021 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Govt MPs will be the first offenders. Clark twice now? Jaspinda make an announcement about an announcement that there will be an announcement – make the comment about LEVEL 4 then rushes to Whenuapai and fucks off out of Auckland before the deadline.
  What a cunning shithouse rat
  
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  September 27, 2021 5:43pm
- cmm
  
  Just in time for Jimmy Shaw!
  
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  September 27, 2021 6:15pm
CAKE FACE1

What does this self-isolation trial mean?

It shows, quite clearly, that Cindy is intending to keep the borders shut next year, or she wouldn’t waste everyone’s time.

Cindy hopes that this outbreak of Delta will eventually be stamped out.

She will then lead NZ into the 2023 general election on a Zero Covid platform. Quarantine or home isolation for 14 days will be combined with occasional outbreak lockdowns – forever.

I suspect that she will win by a landslide.

Good try from Mr Key, but the underclass is on Cindy’s side. Their ranks only ever expand.

What a mess…
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September 27, 2021 5:50pm
- Warren
  
  When all these females that idolize Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister see the that employment for their children might become harder and Social Welfare money is not going to able to cover the unemployed, Health , Mental Health , and other portfolio’s can’t get their share of taxpayers money from the budget because the Finance Minister borrowed to much money to bribe New Zealander’s with and now are having difficulty paying interest on there Stupidity, they wont be able to blame National for their own incompetence.
  Then you can bet the team of 5million will be a fairytale for Jacinda as she decides she has burnt all the political capital she fraudulently achieved.
  
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  September 27, 2021 6:47pm
- dcrane
  
  Yes, if there is any plausible pathway along these lines, we can expect them to try. Their entire legacy hinges on the idea that elimination was the only way.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Israel Adesanya to quit NZ. Bloody good riddance. Cage fighting is a blight on civilisation, and he’s a braggart. No loss.
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September 27, 2021 6:12pm
Fletch

Just saw a BS report on 1 News about extreme weather events supposedly being pushed by climate, affecting the future of kids. The story featured our own ginger-haired Greta. An impudent little child spouting off nonsense – telling the adults it’s not good enough and more needs to be done etc. Kid needs a good spanking.
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September 27, 2021 6:36pm
- dcrane
  
  True yet it’s fun watching her take the piss out of Jacinda.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:57pm
BananaLlama

One Ewes–Colmar Brunton

28 Nov – 2 Dec 2020 LAB 53
09 Mar –13 Mar 2021 LAB 49
22 May–26 May 2021 LAB 46
22 Sep–26 Sep 2021 LAB 43

Glug glug glug glug
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September 27, 2021 7:19pm
- dcrane
  
  Every aspect of their governance except the March 2020 covid fear reaction has been somewhere between incompetent and offensive (He Puapua etc.). And with this latest lockdown even their covid policy was exposed as inadequate. If it weren’t for a subservient media, a wilted, confused opposition, and a youthful face on the leader, these people would be drawing approval in the mid 20s at best.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:56pm
- Cinematic
  
  Labour’s trending!!
  
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  September 27, 2021 10:22pm
Benedict Yu

Why do we have a PM that talks in verbal soup?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/126509148/covid19-vaccine-certificates-may-be-needed-for-a-classic-kiwi-summer-jacinda-ardern-says

Just say “You will need to be vaccinated to attend events and concerts”

or

NOT

This passive aggressive word soup drive me nuts. Honestly just tell us the rules. I don’t care what the answer is.
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September 27, 2021 7:56pm
- fernglas
  
  She can’t tell you what the rules are. She hasn’t made them up yet.
  
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  September 27, 2021 8:26pm
Fletch

Society seems to be breaking down over in the UK. According to the story on 1 News, petrol stations are running out of gas. There is a shortage of truck drivers – they need 15,000 more to be able to get goods on supermarket shelves. Not sure what is going to happen there….
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September 27, 2021 9:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ask to rejoin the EFTA?
  
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  September 27, 2021 9:27pm
- Stu2
  
  Were european drivers doing a lot of deliveries in the UK?
  
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