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Warren

Again we have two rules for the people that have suffered in lockdowns, one for the intitled and another for the wannabes.
You have exemptions given to film crews to cover Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister in her attempt to create vaccine records that were allowed to leave Auckland for Wellington to film Jacinda’s vaccination record attempt and those that have suffered lockdowns for a couple of months.
Really is this the New Zealand that everyone wants or is it just for the elite.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-crew-fly-to-wellington-to-film-vaxathon/CJ5WRSVPPMS2UWPTHLOGCT7SC4/
How can we have two rules that will devide our population one for the privileged to leave a city that is festering with the Delta Stain of Covid -19 and another that doesn’t allow people who have to travel to a love ones funeral because of Covid -19.
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October 19, 2021 8:00am
- Ehlana
  
  So there are no film crews in Wellywood?
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:16am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Please display kindness – didn’t you hear that ‘They Are Us’ is on hold (for now)?
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Why doesn’t our obfuscating Prime Morningstar? Threatening those who have chosen to ignore her unlawful demands while she implements a hidden political program.
      When are her government actually going to govern rather than foster hundreds of talk fests and advisers?
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:12pm
    - Kiwi_in_Paris
      
      Let’s face it, words such as kindness, wellness, green, united, world, peace, have all been hijacked by bad people. If you hear these words, run for the hills.
      
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      October 19, 2021 7:46pm
- dcrane
  
  Good to see Seymour putting the heat on at least.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:24am
  - Maxx
    
    To be fair to Judith, it doesn’t matter what stance she takes on the matter, the media will find fault.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:30am
    - alloytoo
      
      True, she hasn’t been silent, just censored.
      
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      October 19, 2021 10:03am
      - dcrane
        
        And yet they let Seymour’s comments out. Maybe there is a sense that criticisms are blunted if they come from what is generally perceived as a peripheral source.
        
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        October 19, 2021 12:05pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Don’t you know that film crew were being considered for the wedding of the century and so the vaxathon was the test of if they would be suitable or not
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Hope they get their deposit, read pardy donation bribe, back unlike the Gizzee caterers
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did they return to Lockdown Auckland…or are they running free in Wellington?
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:37am
  - artemisia
    
    Excellent question. Were you expecting an answer? Good luck with that.
    
    I’m sure the film crew will have brought enough clothes for a couple of weeks. Just in case.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:51am
- 7kiwi11
  
  They were probably doing the filming role in a ‘friend’ capacity. Nothing to worry about
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:41am
- slightlyrighty
  
  There is a very fine line between Spin, and propaganda. This government crossed it ages ago, and the mainstream media is complicit in this.
  
  Either the MSM has been too dumb to notice, or too biased to care.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I see your dumb and biased and raise you sycophancy . . .
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  Buried on page 5 while the so called North Shore Revellers get vilified in a continuing big splash .
  
  Squirrel.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:00am
- Taieri
  
  Really is this the New Zealand that everyone wants or is it just for the elite.
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  Not everyone. Just 51% or so.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:05am
- Scooter
  
  Friends with benefits
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:55am
-D

Extending lockdown without supporting broad testing and aggressive early treatment is criminal.

Stop messing around with traffic lights.

Antiviral and immune system supplements should be dispensed immediately to every diagnosed (or even suspected) case PLUS to all immediate contacts.

It works.
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October 19, 2021 8:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The process should be challenged by a constitutional trial lawyer.
  The PM is not of lawgiver status.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:21am
  - Paulus
    
    As the Captain she is above the Law.
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:11am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      She may think so, but the people know she is not.
      Now it has been revealed she is a WEF stooge and is kept in touch that explains her subversive hidden program.
      It will be hey, pooppoos for her shortly.
      Deceit your name is Ardern.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:17pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Central Otago Mayor Tim Cadogan commenting on the Covid jab:
“Those who choose not to get vaccinated put people’s lives at risk,” Cadogan said.
“It is an untenable situation to think that you have the right to not vaccinate.”
Um, tell me I am wrong, but isn’t this in breach of the Nuremberg Code?
What brings this home even more, is that I knew this guy well, he was in the same law classes as me.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300424553/mayoral-brothers-urge-people-to-get-covid19-vaccine-in-memory-of-poliostricken-mother
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October 19, 2021 8:02am
- Ehlana
  
  What is untenable is the collective punishment/ imprisonment of some people because other people have made a different choice.
  
  Those who choose not to get vaccinated may risk their own lives (a thing people do every day); I think my valid concern is with overwhelming the hospital system so that it becomes unavailable to those who have not taken unnecessary risks. In other words, the same problem our health system has every day with people who, by their choices, bring illness or injury on themselves or others.
  
  Maybe the answer is to set up separate treatment facilities for Covid, so those who need hospital treatment go there, leaving the regular system for the regular illnesses.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:22am
  - PhilBest
    
    Singapore set up a separate “pandemic treatment facilities” system nearly 20 years ago. The buildings sit unused until needed. But it means that when a pandemic hits, the normal hospitals just carry on as normal, and the patients who might have brought an outbreak of contagion into the normal hospitals, go somewhere else.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:33am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Hospitals aren’t available even at the moment. 1000 surgeries being cancelled a week and 1/4 at Middlemore
    
    The future is bleak for NZ with crippling debt and a massive surge in illnesses which could have been prevented through early intervention
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:36am
- Simon
  
  ““It is an untenable situation to think that you have the right to not vaccinate.”
  
  Just another vaxx weirdo. The corona dividend you get to see all the bootlickers hot for mandatory vaccines. Authoritarian nutjobs.
  
  Most authoritarian nutjobs can get the trains to run on time. Our lot couldnt organize a piss up at a wedding to save themselves.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:30am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    He did take seven years to get his law degree. He kept failing one paper, from memory it was law of contracts. He graduated 3 years after me.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:54am
- hullkiwi
  
  What is untenable is, is the emotive, bullying language and claptrap from publicly elected officials.
  
  Such language is a public display of arrogance and ignorance playing out as being knowledgeable about Covid, vaccines and public health. These people are only interested in their public images in the media, do unnecessary damage and are never held accountable for the rubbish they speak.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:48am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Welcome to another day of covid terrany.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  The logic runs like this. I demand you wear sunblock so that my sunblock keeps me from burning.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:21am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    No. It’s I demand you wear sunblock so you won’t unnecessarily and gratuitously take up public cancer treatment resources and deny them to others.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:23am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, because people get cancer not only on purpose, but gratuitously.
      
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      October 19, 2021 7:22pm
  - Ehlana
    
    More like, the government won’t let me go outside until you get sunblock. And a hat. And sunglasses. And a t-shirt.
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:09am
- slightlyrighty
  
  You’re wrong.
  
  Requiring a person to get an approved vaccine is not in breach of the Nuremberg Code.
  
  Requiring someone to participate in medical experiments and tests against their will would be in breach of the Nuremberg Code.
  
  If you think that the vaccine should not have been approved, well, that doesn’t change the fact that is has been. To use that logic, then Flouridation would also be against the Nuremberg Code.
  
  Let the downticks commence.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:17am
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    1. You choose to drink the water;
    2. The jabs have not received anywhere near full approval. They are still in trial stage;
    3. When was the last time you had a forced (against your consent) medical procedure?
    
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    October 19, 2021 5:43pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The right to informed consent and to refusal of a medical procedure is enshrined in practically every 1st world statute book, having been based on provisions of the 1947 Nuremberg Code of and the 1964 Declaration of Helsinki. You almost certainly enjoyed a medically safe childhood on account of these documents. And now, you want to meekly surrender over a flu-like illness with a mortality curve indistinguishable from normal mortality?
    
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    October 19, 2021 7:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those who deny basic basic treatments to help sell “vaccines” put peoples lives at risk unlawfully to an even greater degree.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:19pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  [deleted, do not abuse the history of the Holocaust – Mod] By the way, he took a short trip to China before the pandemic hit, and was giving people mandarin lessons on Youtube:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/121616432/central-otago-mayor-apologises-for-blackface-performance
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfAOnbxP0hA
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AABSR2A91I
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:37pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  “He started Skype lessons with a tutor from the Confucius institute” …Oh there we go.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fAXQUyjo1M
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:47pm
  - Kiwi_in_Paris
    
    So he starts studying with the Confucius institute, next thing he’s the mayor of central Otago, lol. Made in China, as they say.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:06pm
Yvette

Vaccinations by ethnicity
Second doses per 1,000 people –
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Asian 750
European / Other 636
Pacific Peoples 547
Māori 413

Instead of deploring Maori being the least vaccinated, has anyone looked at why Asians are the highest vaccinated – by quite margin?
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October 19, 2021 8:04am
- ecco
  
  Asians come from an environment where it’s survival of the fittest, sometimes living hands to mouth, and therefore know how to look after themselves.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Intelligence and education level.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’ll have a go. I can only speak for Chinese. And this is just my opinion.
  
  In China and even more so in Taiwan there is no real “anti vaxx” movement. People have a high trust in science. But in China they don’t trust the government. So there is some fear in China of the locally made Chinese vaccine. But there will be very high trust in foreign vaccines
  
  For Taiwanese, not everyone is a scientist but everyone will know a friend or relative who is a scientist. So someone would phone their cousin who would explain how MRNA vaccines work and they are safe, That works because there is respect of family and science.
  
  I hope that helps. I repeat my opinion only.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:33am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think south-east Asia in particular has also had more experience with severe viruses, which may result in a greater willingness to listen, learn and act to protect themselves.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:46am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Well said.
    From my experience in Cambodia(99.4% of adults vaxed). with 90 sumthing % of 12-18year olds and a million boosters.
    
    Its about self preservation and preservation of family ,a very slick efficient public vax campaign. MOH could learn a thing or two from this 3rd world Country.
    
    Interesting to see that Cambodia and NZ started their vax campaign at about the same time!
    
    Cambodia just dropped MIQ to 7 days for vaxed Folliners. WIth further plans to open up the country.
    
    My observation
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:43am
  - Bob
    
    B Yu
    your explanation re Taiwanese families and respect is the very social quality that Ardern is determined to eliminate.
    Such a emotional relationship is not compatible with COMMUNISM; ARDERN’S ultimate economic aim for NZ.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:10am
- cmm
  
  How do they even count people?
  
  Consider that there are approx 11 to 15 thousand PI over-stayers in NZ, they can change the number quite a bit depending on how you count them.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:34am
  - greybeard
    
    Good point.
    Longterm overstayers are hardly likely to front-up for a vaccine, not having official NHI numbers.
    Probably also accounts for why a lot of solo mothers refuse to name the father(s) – they ( the fathers ) could be overstayers who want to remain undetected.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:42am
- KH
  
  Stuff News tells us the answer.
  Clearly ‘the health system’ discriminates against Euros and Maori and favours Asians.
  Yes siree. Nothing to do with personal health behaviour and choices.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:42am
- 7kiwi11
  
  It’s definitely racism.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:43am
- krazykiwi
  
  Suzie Fergusson asked an Akl-based PI doctor some questions this morning on RNZ. One I caught went something like this: “Do you think Maori and pacifica and being disagvantaged? What could be done to improve this”.
  
  This was a single piece of script, which I’ll re-write for her in pursuit of transparency:
  
  Suzie: “I think there’s systemic racism in the Covid-19 issue. Please provide a comment to validate my belief”.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:57am
- septic skeptic
  
  I wonder if all the messaging designed to engage young Maori is actually counter productive. Most of them do not speak either Maori or NZ pidgin and all the racist/victimhood messaging probably doesn’t resonate with them.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Half-a million buckaroos to a start-up in the NZ book industry that doesn’t know anything about NZ books or publishing.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/book-industry-shocked-by-500000-grant
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October 19, 2021 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  I nominate Tross Publishing for a big handout from the next government.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:06am
- Frank the tank
  
  Don’t you love Woke on Woke shit fights over which pig can shovel it’s snout furthest into the trough.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The book industry here is a sham. The big overseas publishing houses have a monopoly over access to libraries through their catalogue systems.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:25am
- artemisia
  
  I thought it was satire. Is it real?
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:56am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Other people’s money.
  
  Stark contrast to the 5k taxinda tried to claw back from a small business she cancelled on.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:15am
- backster
  
  Corruption somewhere!
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:24am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, doesn’t sound like much aroha & kindness is shared amongst aotearoa’s literary professionals…
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The NZ distribution industry is controlled from overseas.
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:23pm
- waripori
  
  And directs Traffic to Amazon and Apple, and has a book reviewer who likes yoga and lives in a house bus at Raglan. This is covid relief money I think.
  
  What a joke. I hope the tax payers union are on to this one.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:53am
- Akitio
  
  Maybe the real clue is that she is a “wedding and civil union celebrant (“As a storyteller, I love working with couples to sculpt their special tale and find the perfect rituals that suit them”), and “Launched in February, Narrative Muse is an online tool that matches users with “perfect-for-you” books and movies by and about women and non-binary people.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Covid super-immunity

People who have previously recovered from COVID-19 have a stronger immune response after being vaccinated than those who have never been infected.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02795-x
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October 19, 2021 8:06am
- PhilBest
  
  When I first posted a link to this a few days ago the article heading said “29 studies”. Now it says 30. No doubt it will keep going up.
  
  https://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:18am
- Andrei
  
  LOL – what does that mean in the real world Maggie?
  
  Having immunity is a binary proposition, when exposed to an infectious agent you either get sick or you don’t.
  
  The majority if not all people who have had a dose of the dread Covid will not get it again, no vaccine will make them more immune. All these pointy heads are doing is measuring the body’s response to the vaccine itself.
  
  If there is one thing this “crisis” has highlighted it is there is such a thing as being over educated, a marker of which is not being able to see the wood for the trees
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    LOL – what does that mean in the real world Maggie?
    
    Well, I think you know what it means…
    
    Our current covid vaccines provide a very limited form of protection… Natural immunity conveys a much wider, complex form of protection against future infection.
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:59am
    - Andrei
      
      The implication of your comment is that people who have had Covid and are then immunized are “more immune” than those who have had the disease without being immunized
      
      That is the concept that I am, shall we say, challenging
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:20am
  - Taieri
    
    there is such a thing as being over educated
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    Over-educated but stupid…
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:09am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Educated above their intelligence? Definitely. Not necessarily stupid, just lacking critical thinking skills or ignorant of how basic logic or first principles work.
      
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      October 19, 2021 3:19pm
  - miltonF
    
    Yes there’s something to this. I fear people are confusing knowledge (whether sound or not) with solid rational logic.
    
    A good way to think about natural vs vaccine immunity is this: when you get infected with covid naturally, your body creates (for example) 7 immune responses to deal to the threat. When you get vaccinated your body only creates 3 of the 7 immune responses to the threat. The vaccine is still beneficial as the data shows, but is inferior to natural immunity.
    
    Now the question becomes, how will the vaccine stimulate a further immune response when the natural infection has already provided that response. In other words, when you get the vaccine you are NOT adding 3 immune responses to your current 7 to make 10. That’s not how this works. Those 3 immune responses already exist as part of the 7 from natural immunity. Theoretically there is no addition to the immune response. You are just trying to replicate something which already exists.
    
    Vaccinating people with natural Immunity doesn’t make any sense scientifically. We’ve never done this with any disease. Imagine giving your child a chicken pox vaccine immediately after they recover from chicken pox. I find it extremely concerning that scientific norms have somehow gone completely out of the window with covid and a whole lot of people don’t seem to notice at all? I never thought that propaganda could be this powerful.
    
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    October 19, 2021 6:03pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Having immunity isn’t a binary proposition. Our bodies a bombarded with pathogens with every breath. Most are dealt with immediately. Other cause asymptotic illness that our immune system fight off without us being aware. Still others get as far as delivering symptoms before our immune system fights them off. Having immunity doesn’t mean the pathogen bounces off us, but instead that at some point in the progression of the resulting disease it is finally dealt with. Or we die, which is a sub-optimal outcome for the host and for the pathogen!
    
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    October 19, 2021 7:15pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Won’t Stuff – when they’re not publishing stories about imminent climate apocalypse – just publish more stories about the perils of ‘long COVID’ – to keep the citizens on their toes and perpetually terrified…?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:19am
  - Taieri
    
    Unbelievable that anyone would still pay any notice to that dystopian rag.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:36am
I remember when

Wonder what Jacinda (we are thinking about – but – don’t know how to, at are too scared someone will die if we do, waiting to see what everyone else is doing, hoping it might just peter oput before we have to, can’t make a decision about) Ardern will do PR on today.
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October 19, 2021 8:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  She has got to find a way for her traffic light system is going to be applauded on Friday, rather than continuing to receive criticism telling her that her “political” idea is still a corpse that isn’t breathing.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    She has no idea what a traffic light is, she was busy with the latest Woman’s Day in the back seat and was not responsible for the driving, sorta like a previous red PM . . .
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:50am
    - Scooter
      
      She’s a moron running the country.
      
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      October 21, 2021 12:06am
- ecco
  
  She’s milking it for all she’s worth isn’t she. The staged announcements this week are an example of the drip feeding and maximising media time. Without any respect or regard for the effect this is having on long suffering Aucklanders mental health.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:38am
  - Ehlana
    
    I noticed in the media reported responses yesterday there were responses from a mayor up north (relief), a Waikato mayor (frustration – apparently, people and businesses need hope and plans, having been in level 3 for 20 days!).
    
    I saw no reported response from the mayor of Auckland. Do we still have one?
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:52am
    - MCos
      
      He was on the radio this morning.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018816945/covid-19-price-must-be-paid-for-not-getting-vaccinated-phil-goff
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:06am
    - Inandout
      
      Ehlana, as an ex Aucklander who escaped a decade ago I obviously could not have foreseen covid but I could recognise the decay that many big cities suffer from. The untidy and overgrown properties, barred up shop windows and appalling traffic delays. As for Goff he is an oaf and a Labour patsy so he will just obey.
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    She needs all the publicity before the Auckland APEC meeting which she chairs next month.
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:15am
septic skeptic

Leaked details of the new covid alert system

https://youtu.be/nbRyH6fkee0
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October 19, 2021 8:09am
- oldfella
  
  @septic, I understand Cindy’s ‘traffic lights’ system will also include a ‘stop sign’ upgrade.
  This leaked video shows the design team at work. 😉
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wac3aGn5twc&ab_channel=TheMimeographer
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:40am
  - Ehlana
    
    Please don’t give them ideas…
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Covid election

One year into the Government’s current term of office, the damage they have done and continue to do is huge.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/what-a-mess-we-re-in
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October 19, 2021 8:11am
- Scott
  
  What gets me is that the prime minister still refuses to grasp the reality that covid is never going away. We can’t get rid of it. But she’s still locking down Auckland, for what? The South Island is in Level 2, for what reason?
  What’s the plan? It seems clear that jacinda is signalling we will have a covid Christmas. Lots of restrictions will apply and maybe Auckland will open up or maybe not?
  There is still no target and no plan. Just the spectacle of an announcement yesterday morning that there will be an announcement Mon at 4pm. Only to be told as you were, there will be an announcement Fri afternoon!
  So stay home Auckland, wait for another announcement! ?
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, let’s say this Auckland-Waikato outbreak peters out/is brought under control, What then?
    
    What happens in the next outbreak…. especially when double vaxxed folk start coming down with the infection…..Do we all go back into a heavy lockdown again?
    
    The yo-yoing in and out of lockdown isn’t over yet, folks.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:04am
    - Paulus
      
      Stop dreaming about the Auckland-Waikato outbreak petering out – it will not happen as there are as many as 14% of Auckland as technically non people as they are overstayers and have no NHI number so cannot be identified and do not want to be.
      
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      October 19, 2021 11:19am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        14%? Seems high. Link pls.
        
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        October 19, 2021 6:08pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It will be when the economy finally breaks.
      What are we going to do if Cinders is actually working to that subversive plan? Now she is a WEF (NWO) stooge she lost any credibility as a PM. Domestic Terrorist In Charge?
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:32pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Ashley Bloomfield said last week that covid has brought the future forward faster than they had expected and planned for so now they haven’t got enough people vaccinated and enough ICU beds built. This is the Governments and MOH’s fault.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:27am
    - Paulus
      
      Actually understand running out of vaccines again as stock getting old and time out quickly.
      
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      October 19, 2021 11:20am
  - Inandout
    
    Scott, as Hosking said ‘Auckland is an obey city’, just follow what Jacinda spouts. One day Auclanders will wake up to the fact they are being shafted.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:42am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      We know that we are being shafted.
      
      We also know that unless we say how much we are enjoying the shafting through our compliance, the shafting will just continue.
      
      Auckland is like someone having their leg humped by a rottweiler. What does one do? Fake an orgasm of course because then the fucker will go away and it will all be over with hopefully not too much mess . . .
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:55am
      - Inandout
        
        PG, you either suffer in silence or get out while property prices remain high. My God I recall the mind numbing traffic queues when your mind switches off and you sit there like a retard. I worked out that per annum, 700 hours of my life was wasted by being cocooned in my slow moving vehicle.
        
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        October 19, 2021 11:15am
  - oldfella
    
    New Christmas song?
    ‘All I want for Christmas is Jacinda gone, Jacinda gone, yes Jacinda gone.
    All I want for Christmas is Jacinda gone, so I can finally see my grandkids…’ (etc)
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:57am
I remember when

Rapid Rise: 36 Hawke’s Bay suburbs in $1 million club.
23/3/21 Napier has biggest social housing waitlist per capita.
13/9/21 Clive Square – Heritage area now a dirty campground foe Napier’s homeless.
Hawke’s Bay: Average house price $835,000, 12 month increase $205,000 (32.5%), 5 year increase $455,000.
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October 19, 2021 8:12am
- artemisia
  
  Article in the Herald a few days ago (paywalled) –
  
  No fixed abode: Hawke’s Bay solo mum-of-five’s struggle to avoid emergency housing trap
  
  Not a whole lot of rentals in the area but there are some. Plenty of sad stories though, but seldom do the stories say why there is not a bigger supply of rentals, and very very few for potentially risky tenants.
  
  Jacinda and your ministers – looking right at you.
  
  “Honeylee Whakamoe would ask her family to take her in to prevent her and her five kids aged under 8 from being forced into emergency accommodation. But Hawke’s Bay’s housing crisis has become so dire in the past few years, that all of Whakamoe’s close whanau are already living in emergency accommodation.”
  
  I rest my case.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:05am
  - AndyW
    
    Let’s see if we can see the glaringly obvious problem here (and it’s not the kids’ fault)
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Silly name syndrome can never be underestimated . . .
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:58am
  - Sacha
    
    About 30 years ago (when I was selling real estate) I met a Samoan man.
    He ‘owned’ 20 houses. He bought several through me.
    He had come to NZ and worked hard to buy his first house. He brought this brother here to help pay the mortgage, and then, when that was manageable, bought his brother a house. Brother then brought his wife and her brother to help him make his way and then helped them into their own house. And so it went. They all worked together for a common purpose, at unskilled jobs and shift work until the mortgage was at a manageable level.
    We are always told how Maori are so family orientated, but they never seem to be able to help each other in the financial sense and to be complainingly content to live in continual poverty.
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:19am
Yvette

There is still something up the wop with either Health statistics or what the Government decides, presumably taking those numbers as a factor in decisions.
Each day they give an Auckland case figure and the number of tests in the last 24 hours from which those cases were found.

Yesterday was 57 cases from 7,490 tests.
The cases (57) divided by the number of thousands (7.490) gives cases per thousand, to compare to other days using that common “cases per thousand tests” factor.
Yesterday was 7.61 cases per thousand tests.

Going back, October 10, with 56 cases in Auckland from 7,071 tests processed in Auckland, 24 hours before, gave 7.92 cases per thousand tests.

So yesterday was the second highest occurrence of cases per thousand – since about September 25 – and, as many critics point out, there was no rise in Levels.

Does it now seem Level changes are political rather than medical?
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October 19, 2021 8:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, have been since late September.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Remember back when testing was running at over 30,000/ day?
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/testing-covid-19#testing
  
  Looks like folks aren’t too keen to get tested these days.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:08am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Does it now seem Level changes are political rather than medical.”
  
  Dr Bloomfield was on AM show yesterday and said it was for Cabinet to decide.
  
  In my mind that is confirmation it is Political remembering the powers at his discretion. So going from a General Health directive too a Political descision.
  Athough thought that for a long time this confirms it in my mind and also confirms No Urgency / Emergency under the Powers of the Director General.
  
  Also,
  “Each day they give an Auckland case figure and the number of tests in the last 24 hours from which those cases were found.”,
  I fail to understand they can get back test results under 24 hrs where I cant get results under 48 hrs due too high demand?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:15am
  - Taieri
    
    Dr Bloomfield was on AM show yesterday and said it was for Cabinet to decide.
    
    In my mind that is confirmation it is Political remembering the powers at his discretion.
    ——————-
    
    The powers granted to Bloomfield should have a time limit. Otherwise an inevitable abuse of these powers will occur. As it has…
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:40am
- septic skeptic
  
  Cases per thousand tests is a bit skewed anyway. Day 1, virtually zero tests. Day 2 or 3 after announcing a single case our local testing station has idiots queuing in cars for up to 10 hours to get tested. Day 60 with more spread of covid, far less tests.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:17am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Like today when Northland remains in Level 3 lockdown for no reason at all except Government by useless f#ckwits.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are they still using the 40X PCR testing program?
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:35pm
Simon

Rising interest rates in NZ’s chicken shit debt based economy is bad news. What are the fuckwits in Wellington going to do next? You just know whatever they come up with will make it worse.

Clown show is accelerating.
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October 19, 2021 8:15am
I remember when

Another unnecessary problem the government have created for themselves.
Air New Zealand pilots with double jab don’t qualify as vaccinated, among others.
As the decision about vaccine type seemed to be about safety not effectiveness – why.
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October 19, 2021 8:18am
cmm

Once a week or so I play this game of turning on RNZ and seeing how long I can listen before I have to turn it off. Normally I can go about 30 seconds.

But yesterday I lasted a bit longer because I was fascinated by the uselessness of the “expert” they had on talking about the high inflation rate.

Apparently most people are getting raises, but many will be getting raises of less than the inflation rate, so they will be going backwards.

Ummm, forgetting something sweetie…. tax! Tax brackets are not budging and have not for quite a while.

If you’re earning over 48k, then you’re on 30% or more going to tax. To correct for 4.9% inflation you need at least a 7% increase (7.3% if you’re earning over $70k).

How many people are dumb enough to believe that a 5% increase will fix inflation? I suppose the number is: far too many!
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October 19, 2021 8:19am
- G152
  
  The same thing on a Monday night TV program when those descendants of the murderers of the Maoriori claim to be the inhabitants of the Chathams.
  They did hint that the real story is there for any-one who can access the history of those peaceful people.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:32am
  - Master Mariner
    
    NZ as a whole could learn a hell of a lot from the Islanders, Moriori/Maori and Pakeha.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:18am
krazykiwi

I had the misfortune of overhearing RNZ on the way to work. Two lies being promulgated:-

1. Being vaccinated prevents one from contacting Covid-19

2. Only the unvaccinated spread Covid-19

I don’t listen often – evidence-free propaganda isn’t my thing – so would someone help me: When was the last time personal readiness in the form of weight loss, VitD3, VitC or Zinc was mentioned?
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October 19, 2021 8:20am
- Stu2
  
  By whom?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:07am
- MCos
  
  Who said that?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:08am
- SGA
  
  I find that quite extraordinary, krazy, because that’s so obviously at odds with what’s usually said. Bizarre. If you can’t remember the “who said it” exactly, can you remember the time (I’m pretty sure many of this morning’s interviews are still available on the RNZ).
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I didn’t catch the context of the commentary. It was in a different piece to the interview with the Dr. Like you say, it’s probably online.. but I’m not re-listening to that tosh. You can though – fill ya boots!
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:39pm
Yvette

A Newsroom article “Ardern’s circuit-breaker balancing act” mentions –
… But Ardern said about 5 percent of vaccinated people don’t get their second dose, meaning the first dose figure really needs to hit 95 percent if 90 percent of Aucklanders are to be double dosed.
…”We desperately need to buy more time to drive vaccination rates up even further as quickly as possible, and to give more time for our hospitals to be ready for what’s coming.” – Dianne Sika-Paotanu, a University of Otago immunologist and Pacific health expert

But it doesn’t mention the widely reported waining of vaccinations, and that those first dosed in February and attaining full vaccination April 16 will be 8 months 16 days past their Best By Date on January 1, 2022 (mandated deadline for teachers, when those that have been first, will indeed be last – in vaccination efficacy, and like bridge painting will need to start again).
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October 19, 2021 8:21am
Yvette

There were now cases in 124 suburbs – all across Auckland – and that meant anyone was at risk of getting Covid-19, no matter what suburb they lived in.
… The outbreak in Auckland has now spread throughout the city and case numbers are expected to grow, potentially 160 cases a day by early November.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/northland-join-rest-country-level-2-auckland-waikato-stay-level-3

Vaccines administered to Auckland residents: 1st doses: 1,271,322 (89%); 2nd doses: 1,022,871 (71%)
https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/60-community-cases-covid-19-5-new-border-cases-89-percent-aucklanders-complete-one-vaccine-dose

So, Jacinda – considering that cases now “are across the entire geographical spread of Auckland,” and also the number of Aucklanders who have toured Northland, Blenheim, Christchurch, Queenstown and Wanaka, picnicked in the park, or just partied at home – please explain to us again how community immunity works.
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October 19, 2021 8:23am
- Ehlana
  
  The community is steadily becoming immune to the government.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:03am
  - Bob
    
    steadily becoming immune to the government….
    
    I SURE AS HELL HOPE SO, FOR MY GRANDCHILDRENS SAKE.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:17am
- Ruawai
  
  Is Covid actually in every suburb of Auckland or is that just a scare tactic by the PM?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:31am
  - Ehlana
    
    I can’t find any information to verify it. The map of locations of interest does show some areas without any – like the Waitakeres and some isthmus suburbs. You can look at it here: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/contact-tracing-covid-19/covid-19-contact-tracing-locations-interest/covid-19-contact-tracing-locations-interest-map
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:01am
  - Bob
    
    COVID is a suburb of Auckland!
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:18am
Crazy Ivan

The hardest part about “2 weeks to flatten the curve” is the 60 day lockdown, 18 months later.
But luckily just “2 more weeks”
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October 19, 2021 8:25am
kowtow

Media pushing a theme that the Coastguard shudda hadda boat on station at manukau bar to something or other ….

I see no talk of mariners taking personal responsibility for going out in potentially dangerous conditions or the usual , were they wearing life jackets .

Nope , in our brave new build back better blah blah world personal responsibility takes a back seat. ‘specially if you can blame a volunteer org .
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October 19, 2021 8:27am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Yes – strange how the media thinks that volunteers should take on the responsibility for the idiots.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:45am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, it’s the Darwin Effect at work.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:54am
- Ehlana
  
  Some of those who attempted rescue reported seeing lifejackets floating in the sea, so I’m guessing the victims had them but weren’t wearing them and whatever happened occurred too fast for them to put them on.
  
  You are right though, to go to sea, or bush, on the basis that it is someone else’s job to keep you safe is silly indeed.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:08am
  - Lance
    
    The Manukau bar is a dangerous place, it has been the sight of many historic ship wrecks including the Orpheus, 189 drowned.
    We would never even consider going anywhere near it in our boat. Let alone without life jackets on.
    Pure stupidity.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:48am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      NZ’s largest peacetime disaster & death toll
      
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      October 19, 2021 6:13pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, and yesterday on the amShow, some clown was trying to portray the boating accident and fatalities as a result of “lockdown hardship”
  
  Please can the clowns who spout this garbage explain to me how:
  1. 4 men (who are suffering hardship) get together on Saturday with a boat and travel out to the Manukau Bar; and
  2. What part of the lockdown had 4 men in a boat out at the Bar without life jackets?
  
  When are people going to stop looking for scapegoats to explain away the behaviour of the 4 individuals, 3 of whom could be considered nominees for Darwin Awards.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:11am
  - fisho
    
    …burning god knows how many hundreds of dollars worth of fuel (well planning to anyway). Cheaper and safer to pop down to New World, and you only have to wear a mask, no life jacket required.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:09pm
- GJM
  
  It is not like the Manukau bar and it’s danger to shipping is a poorly hidden secret. The lighthouse and the Orpheus wreck being a giveaway.
  If they weren’t wearing lifejackets while over the bar, given how dangerous it is, it should go down as suicide
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:27am
graham

I posted this last night, but think it’s worth reposting to show the very different attitudes taken by the media to certain sectors of society who are refusing to get the Covid vaccine, compared to how the rest of us are treated.

This is a story about the local Maori in Murupara, who don’t want the Covid vaccine – they’re not anti-vax, oh no; they are simply waiting for other vaccines which they think will be more effective. They’ve seen the overseas data which shows “that other vaccines have performed better in Israel, the USA and Africa” so they’re going to wait for that.

Murupara kaumātua says locals waiting for ‘better vaccine’

A Murupara kaumātua says he and other local Māori don’t want the Pfizer vaccine and are waiting for other vaccines they think will be more effective.

The central North Island town has the lowest vaccination rate in the country despite the push to increase Māori vaccination rates. More than 90 per cent of its residents are Māori.

“We’re not following the Crown’s directive. That has been our position for a while,” he said. “We won’t jump when we’re told to. We want the freedom to choose. We want a different vaccine.”

Now if this was any other community, this would be heavily pushed as “anti-vax” and we would be told not to get sucked in by “misinformation”. But you won’t see anything like that in this story.

Barbara Armstrong of the Bay of Plenty District Health Board says the low numbers are a concern.

“But I’m not here to tell anybody what is right for their body, for their whānau, what they need. I am happy to sit down and listen and see what we can do to improve the health of everyone.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/covid-19-delta-outbreak-murupara-doesnt-want-pfizer-vaccine-kaumatua-says/Q6AG522GP3HNNTTP7NXQNIQJ3E/

Oh, did I say you wouldn’t see any “anti-vax” messaging in this story? Not quite correct; but it’s not the kaumātua who is labelled as such, it’s the local GP who has committed the heinous crime of expressing “concerns with informed consent for children and pregnant women”.

If you have high blood pressure or a dicky ticker, I recommend you avoid this story. It will most likely infuriate you.
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October 19, 2021 8:28am
- graham
  
  A comparison just occurred to me.
  
  Remember the stories about Brian Tamaki? Particularly the one where top vaccine experts “slammed” him for “disrupting” the Government’s vaccination plans.
  
  University of Auckland infectious diseases associate professor Mark Thomas accused Tamaki of what he considers preying on people who were “potentially easily doomed” and called it “a terrible stain on his reputation and on his soul.”
  
  Brian Tamaki supposedly made unsubstantiated claims about the vaccine’s safety, and attempted to “undermine the Government’s efforts” to encourage people to attend the mass vaccination event Super Saturday.
  
  So where is the outrage about this kaumātua – a respected tribal elder – who is essentially doing exactly the same?
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:35am
  - Ehlana
    
    Brian Tamaki is the wrong kind of Maori, you see…
    
    Is the kaumatua a long time patched member of a gang? That makes a difference too.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:37am
- rouppe
  
  Waiting for the Taniwha to be paid off.
  
  This is the trigger for me to say “enough. Get the vax or don’t, your choice but we’re opening up”
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:35am
- Hard Cheese
  
  This is exactly what Sandra Goudie was saying – she was waiting for Novavax – and everyone piled onto her as being a rabid anti-vax nutter.
  
  IMO their positions are perfectly reasonable. I would have chosen Novavax were it available, but it isn’t and given the Government/MOH/Medsafe are slower than molasses at everything, it’s not likely to be anytime soon. I weighed the risk on the side of getting the Pfizer jab, but I completely understand not everyone making the same call – that doesn’t make them rabid anti-vaxxers.
  
  If the Government had stuck with the “portfolio of vaccines” that they so loudly trumpeted last year instead of only offering Pfizer, perhaps they could have captured this whole segment of the hesitant and not be in the trouble that they’re in now.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    Our Dear PM seems to have forgotten that NZ had “secured” 2 million doses of Janssen, and had deals in the offing with Novovax and Astrazeneca.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/two-new-vaccines-secured-enough-every-new-zealander
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:59pm
Random T Person

I see we are moving closer to active state sanctioned discrimination against people who choose not to undergo a medical procedure involving an experimental serum. What a time to be alive.
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October 19, 2021 8:28am
- mawm
  
  UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (2005) Article 6 – ‘Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.’
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:15pm
cmm

A day or two back, Melissa Lee was so affronted by Facebook’s outage that she took the time to write an extensive contribution.

Hey Melissa got anything to say about the government you’re supposed to be monitoring and keeping honest? In a few days IRD’s website is going offline for a week. Yes, a week!
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October 19, 2021 8:28am
- graham
  
  That is unbelievable. This is 2021, not 2001. NOBODY takes their website offline for a whole week.
  
  For a vital Government department to just oh so casually take their website down AND their phone lines down AND close their offices FOR A WHOLE WEEK is nothing short of outrageous. WHY THE HELL is this not in the media?
  
  [https://www.ird.govt.nz/pages/campaigns/service-changes-updates you’re welcome – Mod]
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    Hey Mod, that’s the IRD website, not the media.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:08am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’ll be back in time for the GST due date of 28 October. I’m sure everything will get file in time right?
  
  Yes, I get that the IRD have said that businesses get until 4 November but that is dependent on David Parker getting an Order in Council signed. Last time I checked he hadn’t done that.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:57am
- GJM
  
  Even better, they are taking it down when tax is due on the 28th! You think they would have delayed it for a week so it avoids the rush.
  The IRD computer people must be incompetent if it takes them a week to update a website that they have prepared beforehand.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:30am
  - Batman
    
    Which tells anyone who knows about computer systems that it’s not updating the “website” as you put it. Its a replacement of the actual systems and databases for those products, as well as staff hardware/software.
    
    This was always going to have to occur. Though doing it in January probably would have been better…
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:43am
    - cmm
      
      Batty, people replace back ends and front ends and everything while keeping most stuff live (eg. just doing a swap at 3 am in the morning). The laws of gravity are not different for IRD.
      
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      October 19, 2021 10:11am
      - Don Beckett
        
        But it’s a government department remember. Things are different – so many rules to follow – so much Health & Safety – so many reserve staff – etc.
        
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        October 19, 2021 11:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      IRD have a complex mixture of systems being integrated. It has been underway for some time and looks promising.
      They are making provision not to disadvantage taxpayers and I expect it will be OK.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:46pm
  - cmm
    
    GST due date has been extended to 4 November or so.
    
    Easy enough for those of us who do it manually, but it’s going to be a mess for people with automated systems that are expecting to file on the date.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:09am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I understand banks and others will accept payments but IRD may delay receipt.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why we are never likely to know the truth about the origins of Covid-19.

Still, David Morens, an influenza researcher at the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, says the hunt for the origin of the pandemic has been so sullied by politics and other nonscientific issues that he’s uncertain the task force’s planned report would have had an impact. “Given all the chaos that’s going on, maybe nothing would have mattered.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/fights-over-confidentiality-pledge-and-conflicts-interest-tore-apart-covid-19-origin-probe
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October 19, 2021 8:29am
- PhilBest
  
  How convenient! Even the “latest” probe to be announced apparently has tainted people on it. Not Daszak himself, but one or more associates.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:37am
- cmm
  
  What’s the point anyway? Knowing where it came from changes nothing.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    True, but its always worth being reminded that China is A*******e
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:49am
  - Ed Snack
    
    On the contrary, I think that if we are able to absolutely confirm that this pandemic resulted from the (probably) accidental release of a virus specifically engineered to infect humans, that would, or at least should, have several mandatory consequences:
    
    1. A Nuremberg style trial and prosecution of those responsible, with the same sort of sentences as Nuremberg, if for no other reason than “pour encourager les autres”. Those funding and promoting the “research” being the prime targets, and those attempting to cover it up would be co-conspirators;
    
    2. A very serious review of such research and how it managed to continue despite serious misgivings and actually legal blocks on funding. Plus an enquiry into why it was re-enabled, and why the media steadfastly refused to follow up on any stories associated.
    
    3. A complete clean out of WHO and it’s replacement by a human centric, not bureaucrat centric organisation actually concerned with human health and welfare.
    
    Just FWIW.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:10pm
    - cmm
      
      A Nuremberg-style trial can only be imposed on a beaten foe by a powerful victor. War crimes/crimes against humanity by the Allies were largely airbrushed out of history.
      
      So who’s going to force Chinese officials into the dock of a Nuremberg-style court? China would not hand them over voluntarily. Nor will USA serve up Fauci et al.
      
      And you can forget WHO ever being cleaned up. Any audits/reports are going to be conducted by people who are part of the swamp and are keen on future WHO careers. None of them will rock the boat.
      
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      October 19, 2021 12:57pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Can’t tell whether it was a USA or Chinese responsible event. There was collusion of multiple parties for gain of both function and patents.
        It could have been an unexpected opportunistic State act by either side or just an accident.
        
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        October 19, 2021 1:55pm
- kowtow
  
  I’m amazed , given how our “Little New Zealander” Media Pardy hype over all things New Zealand how little attention is given to this world leading pioneering New Zealander.
  
  “Gilles Demaneuf is a data scientist with the Bank of New Zealand in Auckland. He was diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome ten years ago, and believes it gives him a professional advantage. “I’m very good at finding patterns in data, when other people see nothing,” he says.
  
  Early last spring, as cities worldwide were shutting down to halt the spread of COVID-19, Demaneuf, 52, began reading up on the origins of SARS-CoV-2,…..”
  
  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    There are thousands, more likely tens of thousands, or wet markets in China.
    
    What are the odds that the one where a virus turns up just happens to be 300 metres away from a virus research lab?
    
    Talk about bad luck….
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The market was a useful adjunct as a diversion.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:57pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Check our Sharri Markson. It came from the lab in Wuhan.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:08am
ecco

Heard Robertson on Hosking’s show this morning. Starting to hate the guy as much as Arden. All the excuses and BS.

Can’t stand Robertson with a vengeance. The platitudes and faux sympathy he espouses.

A bumbling, stumbling career politician, hopelessly out of his depth, now finds himself NZ Minister of Finance. This guy never would have cut it in the financial markets, yet he now has the whole NZ economy in his hands and at his mercy. Scary stuff.
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October 19, 2021 8:30am
- KH
  
  And talks his rubbish down to us like we are children.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:48am
  - jon
    
    Maybe its my eye sight but Robertson’s lips appear to move in a strange way at times whilst he is speaking. Has anyone else noticed??
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:16pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  And he’s one of their more competent MPs.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:13am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes its very scary when the bloke in charge of the country’s finances is a student politician and doesn’t even have a finance degree or any work experience.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    He does have a little as an assistant book keeper for the uni cafe.
    
    Ministers of Finance are way above Pooh Bah’s grade.
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:00pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Like Ardern, when confronted with evidence of his Government’s dismal performance he inevitably falls back to “compared with other countries….”
  
  Here’s a clue Robertson – I don’t live in another country. I don’t care about the debt to GDP ratio of Greece or the inflation rate in Italy. I don’t care how long they’ve been locked down in Melbourne. I live in Auckland you fucking imbecile.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:00pm
I remember when

Ashley Bloomfield hints Aucklanders could see more freedoms in early December: Newshub:
Most Aucklanders probably think Ashley could be given more freedom immediately.
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October 19, 2021 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He tells lies by omission – you know that don’t you?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:43am
ecco

Does anyone else think Northland got put down a level yesterday because it’s an electorate that Ardern wants to retain at the next election? It’s got large swathes of the Maori vote and maybe Ardern doesn’t want to alienate these people with an extended lockdown.

There’s no way Covid is not circulating around Northland from the details we have heard about those rogue escapee women who wouldn’t cooperate with info on where they’ve been.

The lifting of the Northland lockdown appears to be politicking of the highest degree.
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October 19, 2021 8:31am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  ecco – The Northland lockdown decision was political in the first place. Remember the three local Labour electorate MP’s were told what was happening a day before any other authorities up this way.
  The (alleged) hookers tested positive as they left ( or had left) the region and the only other positive result since (Kaitaia) was unrelated, nor have there been any positive waste water detections. Therefore not sure what “the details we have heard” actually are.
  Northland /Whanagrei might stay red, but most likely only if Kris Faafoi can gerrymander the electoral rolls choices enough pre 2023. There are a large number of very angry, really pissed off people up this way – including self.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:12am
  - Ehlana
    
    Hence the importance of Maori being able to switch electoral rolls at the last minute.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:32am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Precisely – oh and just a reminder – Northlanders can’t really go anywhere ( except essentially?) except – well – Northland!
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:46am
      - ecco
        
        70andstilllearning -Yes, sorry forgot you are effectively in lockdown with regards to travel outside of the region. Which is bad enough in itself. But at least your businesses can open!!
        
        Interesting insight on what Faafoi has been tasked to do. They are no doubt taking a fine tooth comb to many areas of the electoral map for those very purposes.
        
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        October 19, 2021 10:21am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I think you can travel through Auckland for a variety of reasons as long as you stay inside your vehicle the whole way except for emergencies and essential reasons (presumably like refuelling). You have to get to an area NOT in L3 so past most of the Waikato.
        
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        October 19, 2021 12:13pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Ed – your correct to a degree. You can get an exemption to go to say a wedding , civil union,etc in another L2 area, don’t stop in AKL. You can’t get an exemption to say go and tend the resting place of a loved one on a significant anniversary. Apparently that’s like going on holiday. It can wait.
        
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        October 19, 2021 3:29pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        ecco – technically we’ve been under the old L3 standard’s, e.g. click & collect, one small bubble expansion ( no picnics in the park, boating etc. ). Businesses have been very adaptive on c & c etc and haven’t heard of any moaning about it from the do gooders.
        
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        October 19, 2021 3:52pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    70andstill…..compounding the problems for Northland is that Wellsford has had positive readings in the waste water over the past few days and there is a household (fortress) “isolating” at the corner of Station and Matheson Roads.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:44am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Yes saw the Wellsford data for last few days. Wouldn’t surprise me if they move the check points back to Brynderwyn/Cove Rd etc later in the week and drop Kaiwaka/Mangawhai back into AKL level 3.
      
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      October 19, 2021 10:01am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Wellsford cases are more to do with the “house” (or gang fortress) in Station Road .
        
        The euphemisms that are played out in the media. Jax and Ash spout their rubbish from the Podium of Truth, but when you live in rural communities like we do in North Rodney, the local community learns the truth very fast.
        
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        October 19, 2021 10:23am
- Bob
  
  Does tend to support the impression that ARDERN may be positioning for a ‘snap election’ in the early New Year!!
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:23am
dime

Any chance Dime could get a press pass?

Jacinda “question time, umm Dime”

Dime “Jacinda, according to yourself, we have thousands of kids who go to school every day, poverty stricken and hungry. are you concerned that the parents of these kids, who apparently cant even feed them, may not be doing well as educators at home? what work is being done to help these kids? please tell me its more than “we threw a chromebook and a router at them”.

The outcomes for some of these decile 1 kids is shocking. now take out school for 6 months.. fuck me.

gotta flatten the economy though.. i mean curve.. or is it eliminade?? i cant keep up.
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October 19, 2021 8:31am
- Ehlana
  
  There was a secondary school principal on tv last night saying he thinks the school-hesitant have probably dropped away and even the willing students are losing momentum.
  He would happily have the teenagers back with a mask mandate, if that was what it took to get them into class.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Students don’t need masks
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:34am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Nobody needs masks, not if you follow the science. Masks would be worse than nothing.
      
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      October 19, 2021 12:15pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  yep, they are fucking a generation of 15-21 year old NZers who will miss out on vital education and initial employment opportunities.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Correction, they are f*****g all 9 to 21 year old.
    
    Yes, our 12 year old is getting Zoom classes, from a private school. However, the whole experience for the students and the teachers is not what it should be.
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:34pm
dime

Jacinda:

“”We don’t want Auckland to live week by week and that’s what they have been doing up until now.””

“so what we are going to do is have press conferences every day this week and drip feed shit to you losers.”
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October 19, 2021 8:33am
- Ruawai
  
  And live fortnight to fortnight extending covid restrictions.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The day will come when she has to face a huge loss, and she will have a thermonuclear meltdown. Quite a handful without mics and cameras. I have this from a good authority in Air NZ.
  Glorious
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:41am
- Bobba Fret
  
  So they’ve made it a fortnight instead. Thanks Cindy!
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Email from National and Collins this morning. She says she realises Auckland is getting fed up with being locked down.
When is she going to wake up? We have had a gutsful of the woke shit from her and National. Many chances to act and call Ardern out have not been taken. Labour in drag, that is now what they are.
Unsubscribed.
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October 19, 2021 8:41am
- dime
  
  the are spineless dude.
  
  too scared to criticise cause they think it may back fire.
  
  i think they offered some garbage plan to deal with covid but who would know.
  
  they are uninspiring. boring. bland. half woke. in love with focus groups. creepy people seem to be in the back ground. a few weirdos. they are a shambles.
  
  they will make for a steady minor party in an ACT lead government though.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is where I am headed dime. Collins crossed the line.
    Many more will wake up and follow.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:37am
    - chukar
      
      Collins and Ardern co operating over RMA?
      
      MMP gives one the same Government no matter who we vote for!
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  They’re running scared of the Focus Group Raylennes.
  
  The ones who determine the direction of our democracy.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:50am
Southern Raider

So our princess is telling us it’s now okay to book Christmas holidays, but no one knows what the plan actually is out of lockdown and her track record is shit

Would be interesting to get a survey by a non biased non media organisation of the mood in Auckland at the moment. There will be the 5% sycophants who make all the noise in the media about Jacinda is savings us. All the rest I suggest are very fucken unhappy
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October 19, 2021 8:43am
- ecco
  
  Spoke to a relation who lives in Auckland who voted Ardern. She’s fed up with the lockdown but in no way owns it that she put this undercooked leader back into power.
  
  She focused on how much covid is dividing nz. These voters’ vitriol is aimed at the unvaccinated. Not Ardern. There’s no remorse at all about voting for the wretched woman.
  
  Does anyone else find that these Arden voters are the ones that are still banging on about the hospitals getting overwhelmed, the number of unvaccinated etc? They never talk about the useless leader that Ardern is. These people have no concept of the business plight in Auckland either. They can’t think further than their own noses. Just like Ardern. I predict these same people won’t change their vote either.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:15am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yep. Brainless irresponsible know-nothing twits have the Government they voted for. Consequences are merely unkind fate, nothing to do with them and theirs.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:25am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’m in Auckland and everyone I have talked to is very unhappy after yesterdays non announcement. Pissed off that:
  1. now locked down for at least another two weeks
  2. Nothing about schools going back – Weds?
  3. Have to wait to Friday for more detail of a plan / target
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

October 18th in the States. Today is Alaska Day, celebrating the last successful deal between Russia and the US
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October 19, 2021 8:45am
- RalphT
  
  Sorry Steve, as interesting as it is surely it’s not your role to give us these today in history updates. That duty belongs to Mikey…..
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fuck Mike
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:34am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Please yourself .
      
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      October 19, 2021 11:10am
- dime
  
  imagine if russia had held onto it and had it during the cold war. that would have been interesting!
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Many of Russian backgrounds live there. I know about 7. Two of them are marine vets. Ever seen a guy so huge he can carry two bull moose legs on his shoulders? Daniel Izykowski.
    That’s why little guys like me don’t fuck with marines
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:08pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Out of interest Steve I nearly got married in a Russian Church to someone I did’nt know in Dutch Harbour.
  One of favourite books is “the dice man”.
  Just goes to show life “Always” works out I guess/.
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

Beautiful day here. My partners just headed out to go hunting.

Laying in bed earlier and he let it slip he’d entered me for ‘The Bird Of The Year ‘
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October 19, 2021 8:47am
- Biscuit
  
  No, Biscuit, no…
  Be KIND…
  Do NOT mention that you had HEARD a bat had made the entries for the 2021 BOTY…
  
  (Couldn’t resist, Maggie!)
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:53am
  - Batman
    
    Finally, a worthy creature is up for Bird of the Year! What a great week for Bats!
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://i.imgflip.com/45mg4i.jpg
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:33am
    - Biscuit
      
      The Tennis outfit for the summer, Maggie?
      
      Sure beat boring ol’ Wimbledon White!
      
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      October 19, 2021 9:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It may have been better if you had said that he had “nominated” you. 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I see what you did there Bene 😀
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:57am
    - Diogenes
      
      Maybe Maggie was right the first time!
      
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      October 19, 2021 5:43pm
ecco

Wow Ardern taking out many regions and businesses with her statement this morning for Aucklanders not to book travel over the xmas period. Not to mention degrading Aucklanders’ mental health even further, if that were possible.

Think of the implications on the business models of Air New Zealand, Jetstar, Queenstown, Taupo, Rotorua. All downed in one foul swoop.

This woman’s incompetence and divisiveness knows no bounds. The ‘Be Kind’ trope well and truly parked by Ardern.
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October 19, 2021 8:48am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The usual expression is “one fell swoop”, but in this instance the use of the word “foul” is particularly apt.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:22am
  - ecco
    
    ?
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:23am
- mawm
  
  F*** Air New Zealand anyway. They want to be complicit in applying health apartheid. I hope there are enough people around who still remember the evils of apartheid and oppose anybody trying to impose it disguised as health. And yes vaccinated people carry the same viral load as unvaccinated and are just as infectious.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:40pm
  - ecco
    
    Air New Zealand are in the governments’s complete control. I’m sure they are doing what comrade Ardern is ordering them to do. After all their $500m loss is being funded by the nz taxpayer.
    
    I personally am concerned about air nz as I use them to get around the place. There’s not a lot of choice out there.
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Reports are that “vaccinated” are super spreaders. Us bystanders may even be naturally immune.
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:07pm
Rusty

These lockdowns have to come to an end. The US, UK, Europe and many other countries have realized lockdowns don’t work and actually cause more harm than the virus itself.

But two isolated island nations Aust and NZ still lock up millions of their citizens.

Surely the time has come to say this about covid “just live with it”
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October 19, 2021 8:48am
- Taieri
  
  Surely the time has come to say this about covid “just live with it”
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  Won’t happen until the economy completely tanks up.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:47am
kowtow

Front page of the Guardian , yer I know, big corps bemoaning UK govt lack of org on Cop26 .

When Big Corp and Govt gets into bed with far left green / eco soap dodger types it’s time to question wot the actual is going on.
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October 19, 2021 8:48am
- Batman
  
  Corporations like certainty. Haven’t read the article but you describing it as “lack of org” seems to point that way.
  
  Businesses can deal with it as long as there is certainty.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:29am
Warren

Why do Stuff put up with the crap like Political Editor Luke Malpass penned this morning and many other so called Journalists do dailly when I believe my thirteen year old Granddaughter could have done the same article in a half a dozen words .
” Labour Changes tak in Auckland because their internal polling turns to shit” is really the whole guts of this poorly written bull shit.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126709975/covid-19-the-government-and-the-epidemiologists-start-to-part-ways
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October 19, 2021 8:49am
- ecco
  
  Was too much waffle. Didn’t make to the end of this drivel. Malpass is a known Ardern sycophant so any of his pieces should be taken with a grain of salt. He’s doing Ardern’s bidding and was basically announcing Ardern’s fantastic new traffic light system she’s rolling out on Friday. Notice Stuffed rarely open up these opinion pieces for commenting. Says it all.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:07am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    If they do open up they block all criticism because it is unsafe. They are just disgusting.
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:29am
    - ecco
      
      I have noticed that the Stuffed commenters are bottom feeders, probably troughers on the many benefits you can access under Ardern’s regime. Stuffed commenters are pretty much on a par with what you get on facebook these days.
      
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      October 19, 2021 11:15am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        An apt description of those ‘downtickers’ here as well 😀
        
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        October 19, 2021 3:31pm
      - ecco
        
        Sorry maggie didn’t mean to click report. I was trying to reply.
        
        Yes there are a handful of Labour acolytes on here. I’m guessing they are on some sort of paid basis to troll this site. Down ticks and inflammatory remarks, regular and multiple hidden comments. One of them was responsible for 6% of the General Debate commenting yesterday! That just indicates a sick person with serious OCD issues?.
        
        You can tell when they are on duty as certain people get downticked automatically. Sure sign they are out trolling… must be part of the social media bully gang Labour uses. The likes of whom bullied Bridges when he was on the select committee last year.
        
        Apparently after that Gisborne venue owner went public about Ardern dicking him round on the wedding plans, his establishment was then trolled with multiple bad reviews on the internet. It’s all part of the Labour Party machinery. Certainly does not fit with the Be Kind persona Ardern likes to portray.
        
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        October 19, 2021 6:19pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        No worries about cliking ‘report’ ecco.
        You’re not the only one who does it by mistake.
        There’s dozens every week 😀
        
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        October 19, 2021 8:21pm
Durden

New Zealand could expect the current Covid outbreak to peter out by 17 November 2021, regardless of what the government does which can be treated as theatre and window dressing.

Based on what I posted about a few days ago.

I posited a hypothesis that each Covid outbreak cycle lasts between 2-3 months regardless of what actions the government takes, the geographical location of the country, wealth of the country etc in this post.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/general_debate_13_october_2021.html#comment-3039959

Now it seems Japan has followed the trend.

Now this article about Japan as an example. Japan’s Olympic outbreak has died down in about 3 months and the Japanese have no idea why according to this Associated Press article

https://news.yahoo.com/vaccines-masks-japan-puzzling-over-034036438.html

Finding Japan on John Hopkins site and expanding the cases graph makes the duration of the outbreak clear.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Or you can use Worldometer.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/#graph-cases-daily

Looking forward to a good Christmas !
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October 19, 2021 8:57am
- [email protected]
  
  Nice to read some good news for a change – thanks.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:29am
- mawm
  
  I wonder if the decline has anything to do with the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association adding ivermectin to the home treatment protocol? One would need to see the uptake.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:47pm
cmm

Anyone else shake their head at this?

Woman with drugs all around doesn’t seek medical help when her kid ingests meth (presumably because she wants to avoid the hassles). Then she leaves a 7 yo to fend for itself.

OT doesn’t even take the kids away from her.

What the fuck are these people there for if it is not to rescue kids from their abusers?

Dudge sends her on a parenting course! Yeah right – what’s that going to help? Courses might help those that are motivated to be good parents. They do not fix the lack of motivation – that’s what is really missing here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126711681/toddler-who-chewed-on-meth-packet-barely-slept-or-ate-had-no-medical-care-for-two-days
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October 19, 2021 8:58am
Nookin

I came to work today to the sound and sentiment of the Pointer Sisters blaring “I’m so excited”.
And why wouldn’t we be? At last, a minister has read the room and displayed a stunning appreciation of priorities.
$500,000 of hard earned taxpayer money is going to a completely unknown dating app and all in the name of arts and culture.
We are so blessed!
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/readingroom/book-industry-shocked-by-500000-grant
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October 19, 2021 9:01am
KH

Let’s keep the PMs taxpayer paid wedding arranger Barbara Ward on the hotplate.
This could lead to Arderns resignation.
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October 19, 2021 9:02am
- cmm
  
  Even if we accept this at face value – that Ward has taken a whole lot of annual leave to help her friend by playing wedding planner – this shows Cindy’s lack of judgement.
  
  If you’re in a position like hers, it is not just enough to be in the right, you also need to avoid actions that can be perceived to be too close to the edge too.
  
  Accepting a personal gift, from an employee, of many days of their leave (worth quite a few thousand dollars) is not a good look.
  
  It is one thing for some friends to chip in some time to help a broke single mum. It is quite something else to do so for boss who earns half a meg a year and holds sway over your $200k or so job.
  
  Accepting a gift like that really puts Cindy in a compromised position of looking like she’s taking a kickback.
  
  Of course, the far more likely story is that this was not annual leave but was time paid for by the taxpayer. Everything is there for her personal desires – from 757s laid on for breastfeeding flights to manipulating quarantine etc for her friends/family.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:20am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yws indeed Its all part of Corporate responsibility.
    Any Gifts we recieve has to be cleared through the Office.
    Its called Disclosure.
    Europe take this very seriously with serious consequences.
    But here in NZ alls fair game.
    Go figure.
    
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    October 19, 2021 5:37pm
- Paulus
  
  Ardern resign – you must be joking.
  She will stay until she gets beaten at the next election as there is no way the UN would take her (except in Angola).
  Helen Clark had some brains – Cindy none relatively.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:03pm
Stu2

The Herald reported a RNZ story on the Friday plan – a Checkpoint interview of Hipkins

“We need to make sure any targets we set are having the desired effect. It’s not just about saying, it’s 90 per cent across the board, we actually have to look at making sure that we don’t have high concentration pockets of unvaccinated people within the community”.

“Every vaccination that happens over the next few weeks is going to help us step towards having greater degrees of freedom. Once we hit the target, we don’t want to stop there either.”

Hipkins said the 90 per cent vaccination rate will feature “prominently”.

Does this imply Maori have to be at 90% for opening up? I expect us to get to 90% overall (against the MoH population numbers), but not Maori.
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October 19, 2021 9:04am
- Stu2
  
  A related issue – while I think we might get to 90% single dose (against the MoH population numbers) we might not get there double dose unless cases are raging.
  
  And I assume the Friday plan will be based on double dose.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:04am
- Liberal Cliche
  
  Ridiculous if they believed their mRNA therapy worked 80% is plenty high enough to achieve herd immunity.
  
  lies lies and lies.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:12am
- tf78
  
  By the time they finishing double vaccinating the first lot, they will have to do it all over again because, if anyone survives their vaccinations their efficacy will have worn off. What a waste of time and money – not to mention jobs and freedoms.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:57am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Hosking ask how many hate this government as much as he does?

Uptick if you do.
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October 19, 2021 9:12am
- septic skeptic
  
  I downticked because I hate them FAR more than Mike does!
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:34am
Fletch

I posted this late in yesterday’s gd so probably not many saw.
This could be promising –

Bloomfield says they have nearly finalised advice on getting an alternative vaccine for people who are willing to be vaccinated but refuse to have the Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453768/northland-to-move-to-level-2-auckland-to-stay-in-level-3-step-1-for-two-weeks-pm

I wonder which one it is? Hope it is Nova. It’s not just the Pfizer that is unwilling to be taken. It is any mRNA vaccine. If it’s Janssen or Astra Zeneca, or J&J it’s just as bad.
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October 19, 2021 9:12am
- mandk
  
  I’m not anti-vaxx. I’ve had loads in my lifetime and so have all my kids.
  
  I’m not at all hesistant about getting any of the currently available jabs. My mind is firmly made up.
  
  I’m just not going to have any jab that required babies to be aborted to enable them to be developed and/or tested.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:17am
  - Fletch
    
    I totally understand. Apparently the aborted baby the vaccines were tested on is HEK293, aborted in 1973. This chart shows which vaccines used cells for production, or just testing, etc.
    
    https://lozierinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/CHART-Analysis-of-COVID-19-Vaccines-02June21.pdf
    
    It looks like Astra Zeneca used them in all stages (the red diamond key next to the name)
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:41am
  - Ehlana
    
    First I’ve heard of any babies being aborted to develop or test current vaccines mandk. Where did you get that from?
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:33am
    - mandk
      
      The source Fletch mentions above is excellent.
      
      btw, some of the Stuff articles I have read on the matter are either uninformed or deliberately misleading. They say that the vaxx does not contain foetal cells (which is true) but they don’t say how the vaxx was developed.
      
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      October 19, 2021 12:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is Jaspindaspeak. No foetal cells in the vax, but omitting to say if they were used in development or manufacture. Cunning as shithouse rats
        
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        October 19, 2021 2:25pm
      - miltonF
        
        I’m not even fully against the idea, but the fact that Jacinda speaks in this way, intentionally misinforming people, is sinister as f@&k. She’s an abusive manipulator. It’s a pattern.
        
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        October 19, 2021 6:55pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Was corrected on this before, AZ is not mRNA, nor is J&J (also known as the Jansen vaccine). Both are viral vector vaccines that incorporate the S protein into a different vaccine. AZ uses an Adenovirus, J&J a virus AD26 which I think is another adenovirus.
    
    Because they both use the S protein as activating agent, they both can have the same issue as the mRNA vaccines if sufficient S protein escapes into the vascular system and gets into the heart muscles where it binds with CD35 receptors causing inflammation and clotting.
    
    Novavax is a protein subunit vaccine using special nanoparticles to deliver the S protein. In theory the S protein should stay embedded in the nanoparticles and the external part of the protein then generates the immune response. Not sure how stable the nano particles are though. It is a 2 shot vaccines, and has been widely purchased for use in advance every of it being finally approved.
    
    Valneva is an inactive virus vaccine, the Covid virus is inactivated with beta propiolactone (BPL) before being packaged into the vaccine. Was trialled in NZ.
    
    Not sure if any governments have deals to use Valneva, UK did but cancelled it a couple of months ago.
    
    Just FWIW
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:36pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Novavax isn’t even a thing yet, so it obviously won’t be that! Maybe you should go with AZ – that is not mRNA.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:28am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s very similar. Pfizer uses mRNA while the AZ uses adenoviral DNA to build the spike protein in your cells.
    
    From the NY Times –
    
    The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is based on the virus’s genetic instructions for building the spike protein. But unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, which store the instructions in single-stranded RNA, the Oxford vaccine uses double-stranded DNA.
    
    After the vaccine is injected into a person’s arm, the adenoviruses bump into cells and latch onto proteins on their surface. The cell engulfs the virus in a bubble and pulls it inside. Once inside, the adenovirus escapes from the bubble and travels to the nucleus, the chamber where the cell’s DNA is stored.
    
    The adenovirus pushes its DNA into the nucleus. The adenovirus is engineered so it can’t make copies of itself, but the gene for the coronavirus spike protein can be read by the cell and copied into a molecule called messenger RNA, or mRNA.
    
    The mRNA leaves the nucleus, and the cell’s molecules read its sequence and begin assembling spike proteins.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html
    
    So it ends up making mRNA anyway. Basically the same thing.
    
    Also, Astra Zeneca was one of the four vaccines approved for use in Australia but stopped for those under the age of 60 because of clotting issues, etc
    
    https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-set-to-be-recommended-to-australians-over-the-age-of-60-only-making-the-pfizer-jab-more-accessible-for-young-aussies-c-3136916
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:26pm
Flossie

I’m not angry, just disappointed…
Hell no. I’m angry!! What has this government been doing for months and months? Robertson is “working on” a plan for wage assistance for Auckland. They’re “working really hard” on a plan to transition to traffic lights, and so it goes on.
It is mind blowing just how much “hard work” they are currently doing!
I repeat – what the hell have they been doing the past YEAR?
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October 19, 2021 9:14am
ecco

People outside Auckland have no idea what it’s like living under this lockdown for so long. The lockdown is not really infringing on their lives.

Life is largely back to normal for most people outside of Auckland. Shops are open, you can visit friends, you can plan travel etc.

It’s just criminal that the government located MIQ in the middle of NZ’s largest city and made no plans to move it out of there in the 18 months they had to plan moving it to a lower risk, less dense area.

Where’s Auckland’s lame duck mayor Goff? Have not heard a peep from him. He should be coming out swinging for his city and the decimation that his political party is wreaking on it. Goff”s not calling out Ardern whatsoever for the damage being wrought on the city and has provided no solutions either to this crisis.
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October 19, 2021 9:18am
- kevn
  
  @ecco… Poll driven lockdown decisions for Auckland.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:42am
  - lifesgood
    
    I heard Goff on the radio today SUPPORTING the lock down. Bloody Labour lackey!
    
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    October 19, 2021 11:32am
- Paulus
  
  Stop winging – it is the voters in Auckland who remain responsible – so sort it out yourselves – we will continue to watch the SNAFU.
  There appears to be about a 14% of the population who are non persons as they are overstayers and have no NHI number or identity which they need for vaccination.
  They can only remain a blip so sort that out.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A long time ago we had Empires run by Emperors.
Then we had Kingdoms run by Kings, and now we have Countries ………..
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October 19, 2021 9:20am
- Bob
  
  have Countries ………..
  Steve, I’m sure that I learnt the word you are looking for in the school playground when I was about 5.
  Probably a good thing that I can’t recall it!
  Mod would not be a happy chap.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have no idea what you mean
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:27pm
Homas

I was just reading the mandatory daily Maori-health-funding-inequity article in Stuff this morning, and, in typical fashion, while there was some vague reference to how the current level of funding falls short of some ideal world level, no evidence was given as to any lack of “equity” in terms of actual funding disparities between groups.

That is to say, the ostensible inequity appears to be entirely derived from a life-expectancy gap between Maori and the general population.

Now, it occurs to me that there is another fairly robust gap in life-expectancy – that between men and women. But, as everyone knows, that particular variance does not reflect a lack of “equity”, rather a failure of one group to manage their own health outcomes in a grown-up fashion (apparently).

This all seems a tad paradoxical to my mind, so I was wondering if there is some sort of uncertainty principle at work, a la Heisenberg/Schrodinger?

If there is a man, of unknown race, in an opaque box, does he exist in some probabilistic sense simultaneously as an innocent victim of inequity and a fully responsible agent in his own poor outcomes – until we open the box, and by observing his skin tone, collapse the wave function?
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October 19, 2021 9:23am
Maggie Pie

A twitter bezzie from the US asks….. 😀

“Dafuq did he ACTUALLY say?”

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1449370709910827008
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October 19, 2021 9:25am
- septic skeptic
  
  This talk about “deserving a reward” and “giving back our freedom” is getting my blood up. I think we need to start taking back our freedom.
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:53am
- Ed Snack
  
  Let’s go Brandon !
  
  That phrase now banned in all official communications in Canada !
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But can Canucks say ‘fuck Joe Biden?’
    Thousands of racecar people said it
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:30pm
Nickc2

Akld Covid Restrictions
Did it ever cross your mind that Cindy’s enjoying this?
So much power given to, and exercised by someone so young, naive and stupid.
Give us back our freedom now FFS.
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October 19, 2021 9:31am
- dcrane
  
  We need more protests. Perhaps we will see another on the Domain this Saturday.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:00am
- MCos
  
  “Give us back our freedom now FFS.”
  What’s your alternate plan, Nick?
  
  Or more importantly, knowing what we know now, what would you have done from the start?
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:18am
  - tf78
    
    Hydroxy and ivermectin have been used successfully from the beginning. That would be a cheaper and more successful plan.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:03pm
    - dcrane
      
      Imagine if the govt and Medsafe had spent the past 10 months prioritising contracts for monoclonal antibodies as part of a plan for aggressive early treatment of all covid cases in the vulnerable. It has been about that long since Trump got sick and it became clear that the drugs exist to neutralise this problem.
      
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      October 19, 2021 12:06pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Plus an early treatment regime. As I understand it, you test positive right now and you are isolated but given zero treatment except Panadol for headaches etc. only if you develop serious symptoms such as breathlessness or a high fever do you get anything more.
        
        It is hardly rocket science to use such immune boosting items as are available. Why not provide vitamin supplements, zinc supplements, anti-oxidants, aspirin or other anti-coagulant agents. Plus of course Ivermectin. Even if ultimately shown to be almost worthless, Ivermectin is dirt cheap and extremely safe when correctly formulated for humans – over 3.7 billion doses with <60 attributed deaths.
        
        Why not just make an effort instead of what appears to be a policy to deliberately prolong the “emergency” for political reasons.
        
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        October 19, 2021 12:46pm
  - Nickc2
    
    MCos, in answer to your question, I would have:
    1. closed all borders on first indication,
    2. declared a nation wide lockdown for 4 weeks,
    3. cleared all military accommodation for use as MIQ,
    4. requisitioned Hotel(s) as backup MIQ,
    5. carried out an audit of ICU facilities,
    6. topped up ICU facilities as necessary,
    7. ordered vaccine at earliest opportunity and paid up-front,
    8. vaccinated the population with the exception of those who declined, (no jab, no admissions to anywhere or benefits),
    9. open up the country for normal use/trade/lifestyle while keeping all borders closed,
    10. issued vaccine passports,
    11. carried on as normal until, there was a clear way ahead for opening borders, then
    12. replicate what’s been done in the UK and NSW.
    All whilst monitoring and updating the plan as necessary.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:21pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  “young, naive and stupid”
  
  That was your first mistake. This woman has a been training in Marxism almost half her life, she is cold, calculated and cunning, those things you mentioned are exactly how she wants you to see her. You’ve made a very critical error.
  
  Your second mistake is not learning what she is trained in. Take some time and learn the writings of Antonio Gramsci, learn about “war of position” you need to understand how socialists work.
  
  This is the disconnect between you a normal citizen and a politician, they study Hitler,Stalin and almost every other form of politics, they know how to manipulate, they know what works and what doesn’t.
  
  What’s playing out now has been played before, Russia 1920’s and China 1960’s same people, same ideology all repackaged with a nice new shiny cover.
  
  We are stumbling towards a very grave situation, and if people like you don’t learn we will soon reach the point of no return.
  
  At least read this summary of what you are dealing with…
  
  https://fee.org/articles/antonio-gramsci-the-godfather-of-cultural-marxism/
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    I still think she’s young, naive and stupid. If what you are saying is true (and I don’t doubt it), someone else must have done the studying for her and is still pulling the strings.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:30pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The WEF, is she getting rewarded by them too?
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:16pm
      - Nickc2
        
        World Economic Forum (WEF) I don’t know much about that organisation except that it’s an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world and what’s published here:
        https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/world-economic-forum.asp
        From what I’ve read, I don’t think there’s any kickbacks.
        However, when it mentions the ‘World’s Elite’ and ‘Reset’, it makes me very suspicious as to its ties with the UN’s One World Govt and World Without Borders crap. Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cindy’s involved with it in some way.
        
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        October 19, 2021 2:42pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes you can tell she is enjoying it as she is always laughing and smiling as she answers the pre-written and authorised questions from Tova and Jessica. Even though she has just announced a further two week lockdown for Auckland sending further businesses to the wall but its all very amusing to her.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:53am
- mawm
  
  You are never going to get back your freedoms. “Vaccine passports” are here to stay. You will forever be held hostage to what is embedded in that QR code – you’ve driven too miles in your CO2 spewing SUV….no diesel for you, you haven’t had you 19th booster….you can’t fly to your grandchild christening, etc.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is relishing in it, just as all socialists do when they gain power. You can vote socialism in, but you have to shoot your way out – HISTORY
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:33pm
Warren

Jacinda Ardern believes Aucklanders won’t be living under the current COVID-19 alert level 3 restrictions at Christmas she tells Matty McLean when asked on Ones Breakfast show this morning.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/18/auckland-will-be-out-of-level-3-by-christmas-ardern/
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister will hold Aucklanders in lockdown as long as internal poll will let her, this is not about her feeling for those lockdown people in Auckland this will be for her Voters and when they start to dwindle Jacinda’s will to devide goes with it because it’s all about power and she will never let it go lightly.
The Prime Minister selfish compulsive and untruthful with no intention of reducing the hardship Aucklanders have without it suiting her objective First.
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October 19, 2021 9:40am
- septic skeptic
  
  So has Ardern just said to a substantial minority “keep your Vax rates under 90 in order to keep the JAFAs in their place”?
  
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  October 19, 2021 9:56am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “selfish compulsive and untruthful”
  If you watched yesterday’s 4 p.m’er did you notice that she couldn’t bear to look into the camera? Ceiling, left, right, anywhere else…. particularly when answering questions. Someone I was watching it with whose had a bit to do with behavioral psych said ” look at the body language, she’s f’ing lying”.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    Very observant. If Cindy’s mouth is moving, she’s effing lying!
    
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    October 19, 2021 10:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So the hands are a distraction?? LOL
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:36pm
- graham
  
  Matty McLean asking Jacinda the “really hard questions” …
  
  … give me strength
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think Matty bends over backwards to be kind to people.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:06pm
- tf78
  
  Remember Siouxie Wiles said a few months ago “We could have a lock down Christmas” and lo and behold, it looks like it could have been the plan all along.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:06pm
- plc
  
  Matty will just be worried that he won’t be able to go down to Ponsonby Rd and get his Xmas stuffing
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See my HISTORY comment above
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:35pm
Suze Wainwright

Surely the media has made sure the bulk of the attendees at that North Shore party were National/ACT voters…? It sounds like some of the younger beautiful set may have been present.
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October 19, 2021 9:43am
- Paulus
  
  And that all the party goers all had double vaccinations ?
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:11pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

COP26 (with James Shaw et al) elite-tier virtue signalling stupidity:

“COP coming to Glasgow. Leaders staying at Gleneagles Hotel & 20Tesla cars (£100K each) bought to ferry them 75km back & forth. Gleneagles has 1 Tesla charging station, so Malcolm Plant Hire contracted to supply Diesel Generators to recharge Tesla’s overnight. Couldn’t make it up.”
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October 19, 2021 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  UN, the modern Gleneagles Disagreement?
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:46am
- Ehlana
  
  Over 75k? Are there no hotels within a 15 minute walk of the conference centre?
  
  Or, as there seems to be a lot of green space around the hotel, perhaps they could erect some temporary tents or buildings for their conference?
  
  For further authenticity, a bike can be mounted at the podium, with speakers pedaling while they talk to generate the electricity to power their overheads.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Heard it was 50 cars and 25 generators.
  Does Greta know?
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:39pm
Prince

Is this Raglan Ward Councillor the wettest, most pitiful example of why this country is stuffed beyond repair ?
A five minute segment that manages to fit in every facile, politically correct cliche. Enabled by an interviewer who refuses to press for answers when they are avoided.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018816927
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October 19, 2021 10:03am
quarterpack

Have just finished re reading the book “Natural Causes, Life Death and the Illusion of Control” (Barbara Ehrenreich) Although published pre 2020, has a lot of content that can be applied to our “battle against Covid” and our cultures obscene obsession with the pursuit of longevity Highly recommended
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October 19, 2021 10:10am
Truman lodge

Checkpoint Charlie at the Auckland border for xmas.
Im guessing double jab and a negative test if you want to leave Auckland for Xmas. That’s what’s apparently being proposed. Why the negative test if you are double jabbed at Xmas?
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October 19, 2021 10:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

North Shore party, someone arrested.
Brian Tamaki, charged.
Delivery of Labour propaganda, crickets.
Let’s hear your waffle on that Jaspinda
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October 19, 2021 10:33am
- Liberal Cliche
  
  The 10 stages of genocide, we are now officially at level 6.
  
  6. Polarisation:
  Propaganda is employed to amplify the differences between groups. Interactions between groups are prohibited, and the moderate members of the group in power are imprisoned or killed.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:02am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…..

Stuff reporting the Yellow Wiggle, Emma Watkins, has quit!
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October 19, 2021 10:39am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  If only some of our red and green ones would.
  
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  October 19, 2021 10:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I left you a bit of an opening there AW 😀
    Will be including your ‘upticks’ in my own todays total
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:44pm
Fletch

The pre-news reporting around Friday’s announcement on vaccine certificate freedoms is worrying. Apparently, the only places the unvaxxed will have free movement are the chemist, the supermarket, and public transport. That’s against human rights and freedoms if you ask me. I’m sure it must be illegal according to international law.
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October 19, 2021 10:45am
- septic skeptic
  
  I have some sympathy with you guys, but TBH I’m over being locked down while we wait for higher vax rates. Make your choice as you see fir but the rest of us are sick of it.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ll be watching it closely. It sounds like some Chinese good behaviour system is being formulated.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Supermarket? Nope, not according to the socialist Labour in drag Judith Collins
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:41pm
lifesgood

Just a gentle warning to KBers – never, ever make flippant remarks on this blog. Next thing you know the outraged call you a nazi sympathizer and try to cancel you. For the record I am a great believer in freedom of choice and that is how it should be. Ok?
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October 19, 2021 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  But it’s ok for the leftie trolls to do it? There are at least 7
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think the trolls are so keen on labelling folks as Nazis on this blog as they once were.
  
  Trolls should check their facts before they write libellous shit about folks with German surnames.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hear hear, said the man with a South Afrikan/German name
    
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    October 19, 2021 3:29pm
Maggie Pie

What about that moron partygoer on the Shore that went to the Police and gave himself up?
NARK!!

Calls himself an ‘influencer’….well how come I’ve never heard of him?
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October 19, 2021 11:04am
- MCos
  
  I’m no expert on the social behaviour of people fifty years younger than myself.
  However.
  I’m guessing this isn’t the only such party that’s taken place on the North Shore, by a long stretch.
  Some fool put the video on Instagram, I believe, which is real smart & clearly some of the people were recognized.
  It didn’t take long for some of the party goers to squeal if they thought it might get them off the hook.
  
  At least His Holiness the Apostle Brian Tamaki, Bishop of Wiri, didn’t pretend his rally was all a big mistake.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:47am
- Nickc2
  
  H probably couldn’t get his leg over that shiela on the table so he dobbed her in.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:50pm
- fernglas
  
  I think they mistake “influence” with “effluents”
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:43pm
dime

Looks like never right shaun hnedy is struggling to admit his 15 minutes are just about up lmao
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October 19, 2021 11:05am
Ehlana

So Brian Tamaki had his meeting in the Domain on 2nd October. It’s now the 19th October.

How many of those who attended caught Covid?

Surely we should be told.
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October 19, 2021 11:07am
Paulus

Anne Tolley, the Chair of the Tauranga Commissioners, confirmed today effectively that despite many mature ex Councillors and Mayors that she is effectively in her/Commissioners decisions bound by the Legislation which in effect says why waste your and our time Mahuta has already decided before she set up the Commission.
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October 19, 2021 11:09am
lazza

Our Patron’s (Slim Dave’s) fateful words …

Quote:

“So excluding periods when GST changed (which saw compensating tax cuts) the annual inflation is at a 13 year high and quarterly inflation is at an 24 year high.

This is not surprising with all the extra money the Government has printed and borrowed”

Unquote.

Remember these fateful words … when it comes time to evaluate the woeful performance of this useless incompetent government’s – their track record … of wasteful, unproductive, profligate & shameless politically motivated spending … OF “OUR” MONEY.

Who in their right mind voted for these bozos anyway?
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October 19, 2021 11:11am
Chuck Bird

I spotted this this morning. If shows what this government has done to create fear to stay in power.

It is 47 minutes.

Mass Psychosis & You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0x8meVJkMw
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October 19, 2021 11:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I should have mentioned that this also applies to the hysteria over global warming.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:42am
lazza

ACT Roxx

Try this for an alternate narrative.

THANKS “ACT-Dave” .. QUOTE:

A tale of two modellings

Twice in the past month, the Government has gone big on COVID modelling. Both times it held a press conference and promoted the findings as our reality. The thing is the two models came to totally different conclusions about what policy approach New Zealand should take. Here is how the Government uses data for message control instead of finding the truth.

On September 23, Shaun Hendy, best described as a political activist masquerading as a physicist cum COVID modeller, told us of untold carnage if COVID got loose. Seven thousand deaths a year was the headline, even with good testing, tracing, isolation, and quarantine, and 80 per cent vaccinated. You can read the full study here.

Hendy was zoomed in to speak virtually from the podium of truth, implying he spoke for the Government. Radio NZ reported scarier figures from Hendy’s modelling, ‘if vaccination was only 70 per cent… about 12,000 deaths,’ even though first vaccination rates were already 73 per cent by then.

The study was panned by Rodney Jones, who is also retained as a government advisor (to the Strategic COVID-19 advisory group, AKA the Skegg group). Jones said Hendy’s modelling was ‘implausible,’ pointing out the figures didn’t fit with actual experience overseas. He clearly wasn’t consulted before the Government put Hendy’s work front and centre.

Fast-forward three weeks, to October 14th. Andrew Little and Andrew Connolly confidently released new modelling. There might be 5300 cases per week in the Northern Region, meaning Auckland and Northland, but 5,270 of them would be managed at home. There might be 150 hospitalised at any one time, half Hendy’s hospitalisation figure.

The Andrews – both Little and Connolly – were calm and reassuring, pointing out that there would be home care, surge capacity for ICU, and altogether there’s not much to worry about at all. What changed in three weeks?

At the time Hendy’s modelling came out, the previous five days’ case numbers were 21, 24, 11, 24, and 23. These figures were good since the peak in August had been 79 cases in one day. Auckland had just gone down to Level 3. The Government still thought it could eradicate COVID from New Zealand, maybe even do a little dance again.

By October 14th, the previous five days’ cases were 48, 43, 36, 49 and a new record of 89. A few holdouts still thought the virus could be eradicated from our shores again, but they looked like those Japanese soldiers who kept patrolling abandoned islands well into the 1970s. Everyone else knew the war was lost.

When the Government thinks it can eradicate COVID, it releases modelling showing that to give up would kill 7,000 people. Modelling from the same guy who said 80,000 might die last year. When the Government finally knows it’s beat, new modelling says it’s all sweet.

Now, there will be people who try to say both models were right, they used different assumptions, we’ve misread them. We doubt it, but whatever. The point is not that the modelling is shonky, we are not even able to say which is wrong. Who knows, they could both be wrong.

The real issue is this. Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, Jacinda Ardern’s Government has used statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination. We must sit through the 1pm press conference to hear data we’ve all paid for selectively released.

They should just dump all the data they have in real time, but that would require the Prime Minister and her Ministers to show up and defend their performance rather than spruik it. If that sort of carry-on took hold, they might then have to perform. Who knows where it would end?

For a growing number of people every day, it’s critical that it ends very soon.
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October 19, 2021 11:27am
Benedict Yu

I thought I would have a go at predicting Friday’s announcements ?

Auckland to move to Level 2 when 95 percent of Auckland folk are vaccinated AND 90 percent of Māori nationwide are vaccinated,

Rest of country moves to Level 1 at the same time.

Only vaccinated people are allowed to leave Auckland, with this reviewed mid-December.

Road check points will remain in place.

Only vaccinated people can fly in and out of Auckland from the rest of New Zealand. To be reviewed mid-December.

Only vaccinated people can enter any hospitality venue, gums, theatres etc in Auckland. To be reviewed mid – December.

Borders open to vaccinated citizens and non-citizens. New Zealand residents can isolate at home for 7 days. Vaccinated non-residents van quarantine in hotel for 7 days. Unvaccinated residents are in usual 14-day MIQ. Anyway, something along those lines.

Vaccine passports available from 1 November.
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October 19, 2021 11:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  gums = gyms 🙂
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I did wonder about them gums !
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:53pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  Benedict is itching to get to level 7 on the 10 stages of genocide…
  
  7. Preparation
  The victims are identified, separated and forced to wear symbols. Deportations, isolation and forcible starvation. Death lists are drawn up.
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Benedict would like to see every restriction lifted unconditionally.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now we are talking – but we are dealing with socialist scum control freaks
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:50pm
- Taieri
  
  Very optimistic. Let’s hope that something along these lines does happen.
  
  And that we won’t have to suffer Jacksons, Bakers, Hendys and their ilk ever again as this lot is even more tedious than Covid…
  
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  October 19, 2021 11:59am
- Stu2
  
  “95 percent of Auckland folk are vaccinated”
  
  I assume you mean double dose. There was a mention yesterday that about 5% of people don’t front for a second dose. If that continues this ain’t happening, and Auckland 90% double dose looks difficult too.
  
  “90 percent of Māori nationwide are vaccinated”
  Yeah, right
  
  I think the fury of the vaxxed will transfer pretty quickly from the unvaxxed to the govt, if they try stalling out with something like this
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:00pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think you will find that the government will have a relentless narrative that blames the unvaccinated.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:47pm
    - Inandout
      
      BY, it has started on ‘What Now’ Watson’s show when he thought the vaccinated may get the pitch forks out on the unvaccinated. The gangs (and the molls) of course will be exempt from the pitch forks.
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:34pm
    - graham
      
      And the rule-breakers.
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:53pm
  - Paulus
    
    Ain’t going to happen – think about it.
    Max 85% double dose of the known population of Auckland.
    What about the unknowns and overstayers plus those who will not be jabbed anyway.
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:16pm
- MCos
  
  I somehow doubt those two markers will be achieved.
  A lot is going to depend on the status of the people who are likely to end up in hospital and how many there are, I suspect.
  Thus far 2005 cases been detected in this outbreak of whom have 179 have been in hospital. 9%.
  Of these 3 are fully vaccinated. 0.15%
  Currently there are 28 in hospital.
  I don’t know how many the system can cope with on a continuing basis before the disruption becomes critical.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:08pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    With an average of about 30 new cases a day during this outbreak over last two months, and currently 5 in ICU. Call ICU numbers about 10% of new case numbers. By the time we hit 5000 cases a day (pretty likely given experience of other countries) we will need up to 500 ICU beds – which would have been easy to cover if the govt had pulled finger 18 months ago (when the need became glaringly apparent) and worked to increase capacity instead of allowing it to fall through their incompetence. They have fiddled while Rome burns, and we have large numbers dying and sufferings needlessly from treatable conditions and more to come from covid because they failed to deliver, again.
    
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    October 19, 2021 5:06pm
- mawm
  
  This is not about vaccines but about vaccine passports. You vill have one!
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:06pm
- ecco
  
  I think your being a bit optimistic there BY, apart from the unobtainable vaccine rates, which sound about right.
  
  The vax/non vax stuff will not happen. Ardern is driven by polls alone. She’s going to leave all the policing of this down to businesses, who will have to put themselves on the line legally to enforce what you reckon might happen.
  
  Anyway good effort. We can only but try. It’s very obvious that the Labour wonks monitor this site for ideas. Without a doubt.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Vaccine passports are probably illegal.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:25pm
Liberal Cliche

Hear that? thats the sound of silence from vaxtards on Colin Powell dying of covid while fully vaxxinated.

The same vulnerable class they said we had to gift our freedoms away for.
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October 19, 2021 11:56am
- Batman
  
  Powell had blood cancer. Which even with vaccination leaves your immune system totally depleted, as in single digit levels.
  
  His death from covid induced pneumonia is the result of selfish assholes (and morons) spreading a highly infectious virus that has killed 700,000+ other Americans.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:05pm
  - dcrane
    
    But not due to selfish and incompetent governments of ALL western nations who let this spread globally in early 2020 – while accusing of racism those who tried to stop it?
    
    Or those who ignored and suppressed evidence for early treatment and drug repurposing, which could have been deployed ahead of vaccination to slow the spread?
    
    Or those who politicised the vaccine and demonised doubters, only causing their resistance to increase?
    
    Selective outrage you have there.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:12pm
    - Inandout
      
      dcrane, oh you mean that odious Pelosi who in early 2020 visited Chinatown in the US and encouraged people to mix with Asians and travel to China?
      
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      October 19, 2021 12:38pm
  - NoFax
    
    Powell had blood cancer and was 84 – a bad meal would have finished him off. Let’s not see this as a Covid death.
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:44pm
    - Liberal Cliche
      
      Amazing how the goal post shifts in you people, you’ll count an unvaccinated with diabetes and heart disease death as 100% caused by covid.
      
      Do you even realize how many levels of brainwashed propaganda you are on?
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly, and he could have caught Covid off someone who had already been vaccinated.
      Its quite alarming the ignorant morons out there who still do not realise that even if you are vaxxed, you can still catch it and spread it- viral load reduced of course but that wont help the likes of Powell who was very vulnerable.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:53pm
      - Liberal Cliche
        
        How are they ignorant? they were told it was safe and effective “protect the ones you love”, just like MMR. how many people with the MMR vaccine catch measles, mumps and Rubella? polio?
        
        Do you remember posters saying “viral load reduced”?
        
        Please proceed to align the next goalpost beneath….
        
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        October 19, 2021 2:11pm
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    Finally Batman admits the mRNA therapy does nothing at all, with the shocking conspiracy theory with no evidence that others are responsible.
    
    Seek help.
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Batman, Powell was going to die with or without Covid. He was a very sick man. Covid induced my left tit. He had cancer tumors in his bones as well as blood cancer. Treatment made him vulnerable.
    But anything to keep the Covid fear porn going
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:57pm
    - MCos
      
      I don’t think anyone has been making a meal of the fact he was infected with covid-19 except anti-vaxxers such as the person who started this thread.
      
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      October 19, 2021 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

TBH, I believe Leonna has a prostate and Jasper has a uterus.
You can blame my science degree for that 😀

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1450170666393686025
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October 19, 2021 11:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I just find it easier to use East Coast lingo and refer to one & all as – youse.
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:22pm
Russ the Muss

I’ve been pondering this point around the vaxx target being vetoed by Maori interest groups, and what that means for the future. Especially if we think about the maori health authority and Co-governance across many sectors which is being proposed. This tail wagging the dog has massive implications for our society in the future, COVID aside. Anyone else thought about this or where we are heading? I’m not against Maori for Maori solutions, but do this group have a Veto to the entire system????
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October 19, 2021 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘I’m not against Maori for Maori solutions,’
  
  I am because it strikes at the very foundations of an inclusive universal democracy where all citizens have equal rights before the law .
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:09pm
I remember when

RNZ: Everyday activities won’t be available to the unvaccinated – Jacinda Ardren:
Now we are moving into steep, dangerous territory.
Even if we accept that some action may be acceptable for the present situation – how far can the government go.
Every action sets a precident and who decides for what, how far, for how long, what penalties if the unvaccinated don’t comply.
Lucky we haven’t filled the prisons up with criminals who deserve to be there.
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October 19, 2021 12:01pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think she means restaurants, pubs, buses, planes etc. She won’t lock you up in your home.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:44pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Not very different, easiest way though would be to make the unclean wear some sort of symbol, maybe a yellow star just to follow historical precedent…
    
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    October 19, 2021 12:57pm
  - mandk
    
    No, the unvaxxed will probably end up locked in containment facilities (read, concentration camps) instead.
    
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    October 19, 2021 1:01pm
    - Batman
      
      You’ll be fine until you contract it, then you’ll either be at home, or if you’re lucky and in need, get one of the hospital beds vacated by another unvaccinated person who has expired.
      
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      October 19, 2021 1:11pm
      - Inandout
        
        Bat, the hospitals at present are filled with people dying of heart, cancer or any other potentially lethal complaint. If you had to wait months on a long waiting list and then was told it is too late, you are beyond saving. This has happened to numerous patients who would wish their chances of dying were C19 based, instead of a 5% chance of living. Dare I say, ‘get real’.
        
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        October 19, 2021 2:44pm
      - Batman
        
        A problem which will be made significantly worse by your kind of thinking.
        
        Happily I am vaccinated and just have to cross my fingers that none of my family or friends get a bad case because some people think they’re smarter than everyone else.
        
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        October 19, 2021 5:37pm
      - mandk
        
        If I get the bug, there is a very high probability that I will survive.
        
        There is also a very high probability that I will not even require hospital care.
        
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        October 19, 2021 3:22pm
      - Batman
        
        Great for you, you assume at least.
        
        Meanwhile what about the pregnant woman you walk past or the cancer patient with reduced immunity? Or a baby for that matter.
        
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        October 19, 2021 5:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must mean there is going to be a real decent punchup at a pub. I am too old for that now but I did enjoy them
    
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    October 19, 2021 3:00pm
I remember when

Will anyone ask Jacinda at the Covid Report Question Time, why most of Australia think the South Island is not a covid risk, while the New Zealand government think they are second only to Auckland and the Waikato for risk from daily cases.
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October 19, 2021 12:08pm
lazza

My earlier plea for some form of KB items/comments/threads with referencing of topics has come to nought … so far?

Sohowsthis?

Number them (please).
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October 19, 2021 12:10pm
- Inandout
  
  lazza, there is maybe a reason for not categorising subject matters in that commenters may simply avoid a Covid section, for whatever reason.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wot about some traffic lights?
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:04pm
ecco

Labour just announcing law to allow unconsented 3 story buildings anywhere. ie strong arm the councils, appears to be no consultation whatsoever.

WTF are they working on this for? How about address the Auckland lockdown first.

This is a similar diversion ploy to the Kris Faafoi immigration and commercial lease stunts of a couple of weeks ago. A deliberate tactic to distract people from the very bad sentiment towards the government currently running.

It’s a play on the millenial/first home vote. ie tell boomers and their houses on full sections to ‘f**k off, we will allow cheap shoe box style stuff to go up in established neighbourhoods.

Ardern will be messaging that this will bring the price of housing down, she knows this resonates with one of her core voter bases, the students and young voters. Meanwhile wholesale destruction of house values for people who have slaved their whole lives to afford their houses.

The woman is rotten to the core and totally dismantling NZ society.
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October 19, 2021 12:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Then there is the increase in Rates on the land size.
  Plus GST!
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:48pm
- MCos
  
  “Labour just announcing law (change) to allow unconsented 3 story buildings anywhere.”
  
  No they didn’t.
  
  Up to three homes three storeys high to be built on most sites without resource consent.
  This would apply in Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga, Wellington, and Christchurch.
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:07pm
- MCos
  
  “she knows this resonates with one of her core voter bases, the students and young voters.”
  
  It’s a bipartisan initiative with National.
  
  Sort your shit out, Ecco.
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:09pm
Littletramp

Just a stab in the dark, but is this why the govt would not announce anything of substance yesterday but will reveal all on Friday?
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/high-court/covid-19-related-cases/

Note the details of the hearing in the High court due this week, testing the mandate against the Bill of Rights.
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October 19, 2021 12:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They make an announcement about an announcement, about making an announcement.
  It is the Labour way, coz they don’t know what the announcement is yet. Make it up on the hoof on Friday
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:50pm
- mandk
  
  I understand a group of military personnel have also applied for a Judicial Review of their employer’s requirement that they get jabbed.
  
  Some of them have been removed from the apprentice training they were undergoing, but are not free to leave the service. In effect, they are enslaved.
  
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  October 19, 2021 12:58pm
  - MCos
    
    That’s what happens when you sign up to serve your country in the military, so I believe.
    
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    October 19, 2021 4:59pm
- Nickc2
  
  Very interesting link.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because it’s Labour Weekend and the media folk won’t be wanting to do any digging or investigative stuff over the long weekend…and by next Tuesday there will be a new distraction for us.
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just remember those who locked you down, reduced your income, forced you to vaccinate, stopped you going out to dinner, stopped visitors, stopped shopping, stopped recreation (boating); will one day be begging for your VOTE so they can stay in their fully paid non productive jobs.
That day can’t come soon enough
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October 19, 2021 12:45pm
surfing

94 new covid cases, almost cracking 100, ahead of schedule.
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October 19, 2021 1:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  It will be funny if the numbers explode later this week as the vaxathon turned out to be a superspreader event.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:47pm
- mawm
  
  They’ve lost control of the virus, as expected, and are too stupid or ideologically opposed to the introduction of early treatment packs – IVM, D3, Zn, etc. I go for the latter and Jacinda’s ilk have never blinked at killing off their own citizens to impose their ideology – Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Chavez.
  
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  October 19, 2021 4:04pm
Mrs_Right

A very interesting study on how increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/ (not long to read)

The main points to takeaway from this study:

– There appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days

– In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people

– There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated
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October 19, 2021 1:06pm
- dcrane
  
  One odd aspect of that study is that Fig. 2 looks like it shows an effect. The study reads “Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2)”. However, in Fig. 2, all of the categories of counties >45% vaxxed have median case levels lower than the categories < 45% vaxxed, except for the very lowest category. Even the vaxxed counties do still have cases, but the authors appear to understate the evidence.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:24pm
- cmm
  
  In the past, “case” meant someone presenting with symptoms that was then diagnosed to have the disease.
  
  The re-definition of “case” to mean someone detected by PCR test makes any statistics on case numbers pretty pointless.
  
  Under the new regime, “cases” means nothing. What matters is not even people getting symptoms (a small % of all that are infected). What matters is the number of people that get sick enough to go to hospital BECAUSE they have the disease or die FROM the disease.
  
  Unfortunately there are few statistics gathered on that basis.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Low vax rates in India and Indonesia but after the big delta outbreak, the numbers have plummeted. Compare to the UK where case numbers are still high.
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:25pm
WaveyDavey

Vaccinations data

42,000 doses yesterday
10,000 1st doses
Closer to “target” by only 8,000
54 days to 90%

Super Saturday was just super
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October 19, 2021 1:14pm
Flossie

Sitting here watching the announcement from the podium. Quite honestly do they really think anyone bothering to watch this nonsense hasn’t got a firm opinion on vaccine…either we’ve done it already, or we have no intention of getting a jab.
What’s the point of banging on about it?
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October 19, 2021 1:18pm
- ecco
  
  They need to get some new material don’t they Flossie. Give us all a break even if they do have us locked up.
  
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  October 19, 2021 2:11pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Maybe they figure there is a lost tribe out there somewhere
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gets the dial on the TV. Facial recognition and all that shit, so you never forget
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I still go back to Max Headroom. Many will not have seen this or even know. TVs everywhere (in the streets) that you can not turn off.
    ‘This is Network 23 coming to you live’
    Blipverts (condensed ads) that caused humans to have spontaneous combustion.
    All about RATINGS (TVNZ)
    
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    October 19, 2021 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

I see TVNZ has just announced, that from November, they will be providing ‘English Subtitles’ for all Covid-Updates and their 6pm News Bulletin.
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October 19, 2021 1:24pm
Nickc2

This if true, would be TVNZ thrusting an upward-pointing third finger at its viewing populus in response to complaints about mumbo-jumbo speak (Te Reo) in their newscasts. Arrogant bastards!
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October 19, 2021 1:33pm
I remember when

Perhaps a light at the end of the tunnel.
Shaun Hendy says, “Auckland could still be in Lockdown at Christmas if cases don’t drop.”
Surely this can’t be the time that Shaun gets it right.
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October 19, 2021 1:38pm
Prince

First doses yesterday just over 10,000.
The lowest since May.
Shhh, please don’t tell the media.
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October 19, 2021 1:42pm
- Prince
  
  One more stat.
  In the four days just passed, Friday 15th to eod Monday 18th October, 274,051 doses were administered.
  Yay for the vaxathon, we did it, roll out the media cheerleaders throughout the land. Thank you Jacinda.
  
  The previous week, between Friday 8th to eod 11th October, 281,025 doses were administered, despite no vaxathon etc.
  
  Oops.
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

First time I’ve seen the leader of the Opposition asking the PM the final Question during Question time.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-19-october-2021/
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October 19, 2021 1:47pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons it’s a good trick on Judith’s part.
  Stops the lazy bitch slinking off early 😀
  
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  October 19, 2021 1:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah….
    
    but is there a time limit for Oral Questions?
    
    For there’s some patsy questions from Labour MPs no-one has ever heard of.
    
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    October 19, 2021 2:13pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, Bill Clinton asked oral questions. As an aside why do dentists insist on chatting to you when your mouth is otherwise engaged?
      
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      October 19, 2021 2:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who speaks for 9 year-old assault victims?

Imagine being assaulted by your mother and then being accused of lying by your Mother’s lawyer in a Court of Law.

Under cross-examination by the woman’s lawyer Laurie McMaster, the girl denied making up stories.

The girl also denied a suggestion from McMaster one of her siblings hit her at the same time her mum hit her with the hammer.

Just how traumatic would that be?
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October 19, 2021 2:11pm
- fernglas
  
  News, Maggy. This happens every weekday in a Court near you.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:04pm
Maggie Pie

WOW…..

Shows just HOW BAD things have gotten in the Motu.

My partner placed an order for some Whiskeys last week.
Took 6 DAYS to arrive here from Taupo!!
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October 19, 2021 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have no problem. Not even click and collect. Such a good customer I walk up to the door and he just gets it for me. 2 Jacks, 2 Crown Royal and 1 Glen.
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:11pm
  - graham
    
    Ah, but which Glen?
    
    Glenmorangie, Glenlivet, Glenfarclas …
    
    Discerning palates wish to know. 🙂
    
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    October 19, 2021 3:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Glenfiddich
      
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      October 20, 2021 8:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I can’t stand whiskey!
    Tried it at a Parnell bar once and I was anybodys 🙁
    
    FYI heres the packing slip that came with his order….
    2x Aberfeldy 21yo 700ml
    2x Speyburn 18yo 700ml
    2x Monkey Shoulder 700ml
    
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    October 19, 2021 4:06pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, I have some gifted 21yr old Nikka (Japanese) whisky which would now be 35 yr old. My neighbour who likes a drop of the blue Johnnie Walker reckons it is too strong for him. At least it won’t go off.
      
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      October 19, 2021 4:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Aberfeldy, yes.
      Jacks comes in 700ml, waste of time. In Alaska it is 700 or 1.75L so we decant there. US$26 for 1.75L, and Alaska has an alcohol problem and dry towns LOL
      
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      October 19, 2021 4:40pm
    - MCos
      
      I can’t stand whiskey!
      Tried it at a Parnell bar once and I was anybodys
      
      Seems to have worked out OK
      
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      October 19, 2021 4:50pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😛
        
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        October 19, 2021 7:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps she learned a lesson about venturing too far from the home turf.
        
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        October 19, 2021 7:43pm
      - sooty
        
        It’s the border that is the problem.
        How much did they rip you for customs?
        
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        October 19, 2021 10:03pm
- chukar
  
  MP The good stuff comes from Scotland,whiskys that is ,not whiskeys!
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:35pm
graham

Excellent – Judith Collins promises to repeal three waters if elected.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/judith-collins-promises-to-repeal-three-waters-if-elected/FB5UGBG7BAFNLQ5I2E7SF4H5VQ/
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October 19, 2021 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

FINALLY, the Police show some common sense!!

Lucky really…my partner’s mum could have been facing some really serious charges 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1450265922829172737
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October 19, 2021 3:01pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  This should never had gone to the police in the first place, i mean read this..
  
  “The charge that she used insulting words while being reckless about whether any person was alarmed or insulted by those words was dropped.”
  
  That’s the most woke shit i’ve ever read….this week.
  
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  October 19, 2021 3:46pm
septic skeptic

So, inflation at 5% and the reserve bank are sitting round the board table praying to the tree god.

Bring back Don!!
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October 19, 2021 3:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘The Don’ is a bit busy these days.
  Particularly since becoming a Patched Member of the Mongy Kingdom 😀
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:13pm
surfing

CNN accidentally let someone tell the truth on air…

https://twitter.com/i/status/1450122050278940673

CNN anchors face when he gets called out…. gold.
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October 19, 2021 3:29pm
- Batman
  
  “I’m being silenced by CNN” says person live on CNN is hardly a bombshell unless you’re an idiot.
  
  His face was most likely due to the sheer stupidity of the claim.
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Thats not what she is saying and you are the idiot for her point going ‘woosh’
    https://lidblog.com/bari-weiss-blasts-cnn/
    
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    October 19, 2021 6:37pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      She’s full stuff like “we’re not allowed” to say this or that. Seems to me like an idiot interviewing an expert in faux rage.
      
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      October 19, 2021 7:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Old Queen from the lower class burb of LH doesn’t understand how cancel culture works
        Surprising really.
        
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        October 19, 2021 9:15pm
nathie

Heard the DG of Health refer to “pregnant persons” in a radio news bulletin …. so it’s official, the Ministry of Health unnecessarily aids and abets suppressing women now, and it’s led from the top?
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October 19, 2021 3:57pm
AJP

The only way to get Auckland out of this mess is to stick the 2 fingers salute up the governments face by open.
Where are the business owners, the restauranteurs the shop owners?
It’s your livelihood going down the drain.
Open and we will come! We going to support you all the way.
What can the politicians do, get the plod to arrest you all? Good luck with this.
Let’s show these idiots what Aucklanders are all about!
Stop whining, do something about it!
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October 19, 2021 4:33pm
cmm

“Auckland paediatrician Dr Jin Russell has called for a “gold standard” for Auckland schools when they reopen, including providing air filters as is being done in Victoria.”

Clueless. How do you fit tens of thousands or filters in a couple of weeks? Remember this is Cindy’s mob. They can’t even order syringe needles properly.

It’s near as dammit summer – just open the friggin windows!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-senior-school-students-in-auckland-likely-to-return-first-chris-hipkins-signals/Y3ENWLVCWR5CAQU3LYX2BXNNXI/
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October 19, 2021 5:07pm
lazza

Just a snippet from Bowalley this week. For its excellent content and its stellar prose.

“In the dark watches of the night, James Shaw must know that this baked-in human weakness is more than likely to overwhelm all his plans. That neither New Zealanders, nor the rest of humanity, will ever take the urgent and transformative action Science now deems necessary to stave-off climate catastrophe. Perhaps he comforts himself with thoughts of some last-minute technological fix.

Pissin the wind?
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October 19, 2021 5:15pm
Maggie Pie

Just back home from NW.

Got me thinking while I was there. Remember how we always used to poke shit at people with ‘Taxi-Door’ ears?

Since Covid became a thing…. it doesn’t seem as funny anymore.
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October 19, 2021 5:27pm
- gorse
  
  Maggie, I had a small bit of surgery a couple of weeks ago, done by a plastic surgeon. He said that they were expecting a rush of operations to pin peoples ears back when the mask wearing thing was over. Apparently the home made cloth ones pull ears forward and train them to stick out like wing nuts. The useless disposable ones aren’t so bad. Another downside of all of this.
  
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  October 19, 2021 5:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Know exactly wot you mean gorsey!
    I’ve got about 20 designer ones that I’ve removed those ‘adjustable-plastic-ball things’ off and carefully stitched together.
    Prior to that I used to spend ages checking in the rear-vision mirror and brushing my hair over my lugs before getting out of the car.
    
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    October 19, 2021 7:25pm
- doggone7
  
  “Remember how we always used to poke shit at people with ‘Taxi-Door’ ears?”
  
  No.
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Jeepers you must have had a tragic upbringing dog 😀
    
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    October 19, 2021 7:58pm
lazza

[Deleted. Same as you posed. Mod.]

Why?
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October 19, 2021 5:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Winston apologises

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300433827/winston-peters-apologises-for-alleging-harry-tam-link-with-northland-covid19-case
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October 19, 2021 5:39pm
- Steve Todd
  
  No surprises there.
  
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  October 19, 2021 6:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Some of Kiwiblog’s purported lawyers might be surprised. Weren’t they claiming that Peters wouldn’t apologize as Tam had no reputation worth damaging?
    
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    October 19, 2021 7:30pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      To be fair to David Garrett (e.g., GD, Fri 15), he was hoping Peters wouldn’t apologise, because he was looking forward to the entertainment that would surely follow.
      
      He is no doubt feeling a little disappointed right now.
      
      I tried to argue that “it must surely be possible for a bad reputation to be further damaged.” In my view, not supported by DG (and others), if Tam had won, KidsCan would have received more than just nominal damages (of $1, for example). The organisation would have received at least five or ten thousand dollars, in about five years’ time (after Winston’s inevitable appeals had been exhausted).
      
      As I said to DG (on Fri 15), “it wouldn’t surprise me if Peters apologises.” Once “the letter” was sent, it was obvious to me that he had no choice but to do so.
      
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      October 19, 2021 8:29pm
Fletch

94 cases today and the govt is recommending a booster shot (3rd shot) for immunocompromised.
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October 19, 2021 6:30pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just when I already got vaccinated three times on Saturday trying to win some of those prizes.
  
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  October 19, 2021 7:34pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s actually quite funny, milky. Have a +1
    
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    October 19, 2021 8:35pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Too early for 4th shots? Those on the Frequent Vaxxer™ program will be dismayed at their slow points accumulation.
  
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  October 19, 2021 8:41pm
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    Congratulations on your 45th shot! you now have enough points to buy these items!
    
    Toothbrush, pencil (no rubber), comb, nail clipper.
    
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    October 19, 2021 9:56pm
Scooter

At last jacinda is being held to answer https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-126-cases-as-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-ends-press-conference-after-heckling/2XWYYSW42SX552IWQK2PKBR7QE/
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