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General Debate 10 November 2021

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Warren

If Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister believes that the protesters at Parliament yesterday were not a representative of the vast majority of New Zealander’s she is in cuckoo landing dumber than many people in this Country believe.
Ardern was asked if she could hear them from her office, “yeah”, she said, adding Parliament provided them with
microphones.
“What we saw today was not a representative of the vast bulk of New Zealander’s.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/protesters-not-representative-of-vast-bulk-of-nz-ardern/
So if it wasn’t a representative of the vast bulk of New Zealander’s why is Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister at every opportunity blaming the unvaccinated for her incompetence and climbing numbers of the delta strain of Covid-19, and why does her visit to Auckland today 10th of November have a Itinerary of just meeting with workers, Business people, and frontline Health workers but not expected to be out in public where many people want to hear what excuses she will come up with next.
This is a Prime Minister that is willing to blame everyone except herself for Auckland being in lockdown for many mistakes she and her Government made, but when it comes to the truth it’s all mouth with no substance.
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November 10, 2021 8:00am
- Warren
  
  I could be wrong but I doubt the majority of New Zealander’s want to see people lose their jobs because they believe the Vaccine is not for them, I had mine over three months ago but it doesn’t mean I disagree with New Zealander’s that haven’t.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:10am
  - burt
    
    Warren
    
    If we follow international trends it will only be three more months till you’ll need a booster. And if we follow the international trend, once we get vaccine passports they will expire six months after our last shot.
    
    The government seem to be doing their best to avoid having this discussion and the MSM are not pressing them on this issue.
    
    It’s a conversation that needs to be had before people sign up to vaccine passports, not after they have already under the assumption their two shots makes them “vaccinated” when that may in reality only be a temporary thing now they have handed their freedom over to needing regular vaccines for an unstipulated amount of time.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Burt that comment should be the lead on every media outlet in the country. It should be the burning question on every journalist’s lips. The fact that it isn’t is clear evidence of just how compromised the media in NZ are.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:31am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Burt, burt – if they were to give us too much of their intentions too early, then nobody will go along with it. You can’t boil a frog immediately, you know. To modify a phrase: “Increments, my dear boy, increments.”
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Correct. The vaccine ‘passport’ shows that you are (unlikely to be) infectious. But after 6 months that is simply false. And after 12 months your chances of infection might only be 20 percent less than the unvaccinated.
      
      My ONLY reason to get vaccinated is to safeguard against serious illness. Vaccine passports are a waste of time unless they expire after 6 months pending a booster. It unknown what happens long term “post booster”.
      
      The other thing – if the unvacinated get infected – which they will – they should then be eligible for a “vaccine passport” because the evidence is that their natural immunity will be better than that of the vaccinated.
      
      Of course logic has gone. It is “get vaccinated” = “vaccine passport” = “you are safe”. As I have said here many times, science always wins. On climate change, in energy markets – in everything. If you base your energy policy on dreams, eventually the lights will go out. So on COVID, one day people will realise they have been lied to – when they are vaccinated and catch COVID from the vaccinated person sitting next to them on the plane.
      
      I don’t know what the end game is in New Zealand. But it is not happy safe people with vaccine passports that will be valid for several years.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I would hope that the Pandemic follows every other one and peters out over the next year or so.
        Then all this should be unnecessary
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:21am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        You are fixated on something you don’t know about (what people think and how they will react to the time limitations of the vaccines) Benedict, and ignore the widely released data and reports on the limits of vaccine life and the acceptance of that, the acceptance being that immunisation rates continuing to rise. And that questions on that have been put to Bloomfield, Hipkins, and PM. Perhaps you are expecting flyovers with banners.
        I’m looking forward to the release of data as to the limitations of Covid taking hold in communities that are highly vaxxed, and whether that in itself may protect the unvaxxed.
        Maggie asked the other day what good had come from the Government’s defence against Covid – here is one reported on Stuff yesterday in an interview with Ian Taylor:
        “Since the start of the pandemic, California has recorded more than 4.8 million confirmed cases and 72,500 deaths – adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of 9000 dead New Zealanders. Of those deaths, nearly 27,000 have been recorded in Los Angeles – which has about twice the population of New Zealand, which has recorded just 7138 cases in the entire pandemic, 2335 of which are active.”
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:51am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I’m looking forward to the release of data as to the limitations of Covid taking hold in communities that are highly vaxxed, and whether that in itself may protect the unvaxxed.”
        
        What are you waiting for? Israel, the USA and the UK have excellent data. Why don’t you go analyse it and report back?
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:33pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        AOR – “Then all this should be unnecessary”
        
        It’s unnecessary now on the basis of medicine. However it is essential for our rulers to entrench bio fascism. So petering out will not happen. People must rise up and demand the return of their stolen personal sovereignty.
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:53pm
      - Jim
        
        “The vaccine is safe and effective” in an infantile patronising voice is beginning to sound like “Blessed are the Fruit” and if she could get away with it……this PM will have protesters strung up from the city walls.
        
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        November 10, 2021 6:26pm
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, it’ll be like the Warrant of Fitness that you have for your car.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:34am
    - rouppe
      
      One we nationally reach 90% double vaxxed which is looking increasingly likely (I’d be happy with 80%) then the vaccine passport should be superfluous.
      
      It’s then an endemic problem like the flu
      
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      November 10, 2021 11:58am
      - Ruawai
        
        Yes Rouppe, the time for a vaccine passport was from about June this year to 1 Dec this year, but this incompetent government roles it out after 1 Dec.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:15pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Vaccine passports are about increasing state power and the continued annexation of personal sovereignty. They are nothing to do with public health.
        
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        November 11, 2021 7:19am
    - sharont
      
      Well, when you read that Newshub, for example, is owned by Discovery, which has the same top shareholders as Pfizer and the same scenario with News Corp Australia, Facebook, Instagram and other social media platforms it is hardly unsurprising that we are not going to get any negative information about Pfizer when they’re all going to benefit from the sale of Pfizer vaccines and booster shots and it would be interesting to know what the Government’s kickback is from Pfizer as well.
      
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      November 10, 2021 5:42pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    As someone who has been vaccinated I am completely opposed to the segregation being imposed on the unvaccinated . I refuse to patronise any business that requires its customers to be vaccinated. So the new gym that has just started up at the end of my street has lost a potential customer. I will not join in with this hysterical ill informed and illogical ostracisation of my fellow citizens at the behest of this ludicrous government.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:45am
    - Ruawai
      
      The problem is we had to reject a new employee who didn’t want to get vaccinated because several of our customers have vaccination as a requirement to go onsite. So we were left with no choice even though we are happy for employees to be vaccinated.
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:24pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Under current legislation you are not permitted to discriminate on the basis of vaccination status when hiring. The rejected candidate could take a claim.
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:49pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @KK that’s incorrect in the situation described. Employers are permitted to make vaccination a condition of employment if their role is customer-facing, their customers require it, and it’s a new position.
        
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        November 10, 2021 6:32pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        @Loddenthinks, read my comment here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/11/general_debate_10_november_2021.html. I’ve checked the legislation. This hiring discrimination is not [yet] supported in law.
        
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        November 11, 2021 7:10am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I admire your stance but does that mean you are never going to a bar, cafe, or concert again?
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:32pm
      - sharont
        
        There are bars and cafes who will not discriminate and so I will frequent those. There is a sign that they’re displaying and now a list of businesses that do not discriminate. I have found a hairdresser and cafe etc. No problem there.
        
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        November 10, 2021 5:45pm
    - Jim
      
      Good on you, me the same. Sadly Ardern and her puppet media are not discussing the real issues that the rest of the world has and is now facing…..waning vaccine efficacy, booster 3&4, breakthrough infections with ICU filled with vaccinated people (Denmark and Israel). Get healthy stay fitter!
      
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      November 10, 2021 6:29pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  It occurred to me that vaccinated or unvaccinated the only way to travel or do anything safely is with a negative test.
  
  A quick self test should suffice.
  
  Anything less and covid will spead around the country.
  
  As apposed to 3 to 7 days for a swab test, line up to show papers, travel documents, vaccine passport, ID to verify it is you, ticket, say 2 to 5 minutes per person, that works right.
  
  Just found out a friend’s daughter has covid, the whole family is now self isolating, they were all double vaccinated,
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:21am
  - Truman lodge
    
    Blobby 100 percent
    
    Funny because now its apparent the vaccinated will spread it far and wide. Negative test the only way.
    
    Keeping Auckland locked in a covid prison has created a bursting hoover dam that Vaxinda can’t decide what to do.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:53am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    I totally agree that efficient self testing would be the simplest and most straightforward and effective approach. No matter what we do though, COVID is going to spread around the country.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You are correct, Covid will spread around the country. We should do what we should have at the very beginning. Those concerned (due to government fear porn) can go into self isolation and live forever (apparently). Otherwise protect the vulnerable, teach people about better health and diet and useful stuff like Vit D, Vit C, zinc etc.
      
      Maybe consider cheap care kits as used apparently with outstanding success in Uttar Pradesh? It would probably cost a weeks worth of the covid advertising budget and we would all get something nice in the post that showed the government actually cared a bit – AND we would get a reprieve from the inane covid ads.
      
      Those of us who have assessed the risk could carry on appropriately. That’s how a free society is supposed to work.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:26am
      - mawm
        
        But you miss the point and that is to get everybody inoculated with the mRNA. Do you believe that ANZ has not had advice on the infectivity of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated but instead have become part of Jacinda’s punish those who won’t obey her?
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Perfectly logical. I am not jabbed but if there was a simple, non invasive test (that didn’t involve sticking a dodgy swab almost into my brain and using a PCR test at 40 cycles making it worse than useless) – and it was going to make fellow travelers feel more comfortable then I would take it.
    But like almost everything else about this circus, nothing makes sense, nothing is logical, nothing works like we were led to believe.
    
    PCR tests – don’t work.
    MIQ – totally irrational and doesn’t work.
    The jab – doesn’t work as we were told and may actually be doing more harm.
    Vax certificates – won’t work.
    Sacking people not only won’t work, it is destructive behaviour as is rending the population and families apart deliberately as Ardern has done. A most malicious act.
    
    The question then has to be WHY??? I know a lot of it could be pure incompetence considering the people in the Beehive, but this is incompetence on a scale I’ve never seen in 50 plus years. The alternative is it is deliberate.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:19am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      “…nothing makes sense, nothing is logical, nothing works like we were led to believe.”
      
      While your eyes are clearly open, for those whose eyes are shut, the illogic is simply a result of trying to shoehorn the wrong conclusion into the given set of premises. It only becomes logical when the conclusion is adjusted from ‘pandemic response’ to ‘increased control through compliance.’
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:48am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Conversation with my employer:
      
      “So, you want me to take a experimental medication to protect others who have taken the same experimental medication which is not protecting them?”
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:50am
      - bronny1
        
        And the response? Are you a mandated worker?
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:39am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        You are not required to disclose your private medical details to your employer or anyone else just because they ask. You can, but you don’t have to.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:57pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        bronny1, I am not an “affected person”. Under the Covid-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021, “affected persons” must not carry out certain work unless they are vaccinated. “Affected persons” are those who fit within certain groups of workers at managed quarantine facilities; managed isolation facilities; affected airports; affected ports; aircraft; and workers who handle items from those areas.
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:56pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I don’t think incompetence and deliberativeness are mutually exclusive. The question that’s vexing me is the extent of alignment across countries, particularly the lockstep march towards vaccines passports.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:52am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        The employee now KK? Some months ago you were on 3 different boards with only limited time to listen to other people’s conversations in cafes.
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:56am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I am still on three Boards. And I’m an employee. And a husband. And a father. And a grandfather. And a cyclist. And an amateur researcher. And a useless golfer. And a KB community member. And the reluctant target of your creepy obsession. So many roles, so little time.
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:30am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Touchy subject giving yourself up as a cafe troll KK? Thanks for “I am,” disclosures, and other grains of salt. You might think of other things to add to your wounded ego.
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:58am
  - doggone7
    
    Who did the daughter get it off?
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:18am
  - sharont
    
    Same with friends in the UK. All double vaccinated. All have got Covid – one isn’t that well either.
    
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    November 10, 2021 5:46pm
- Simon
  
  Cindy’s response to the Wellington lockdown protest was they are not representative of the vast bulk of NZ as she referenced the vax rate of 89% (first dose etc). Overt politicization of the vaccine rate.
  
  The vaccine rate by Cindy is now a political a prop in state / Labo propaganda and to help ignore / hide failures in governance and policy. (Such as the actual delay in vaxx roll out)
  
  Vaxx rate as a political prop by Ardern. NZ is not a good place medically as they head off to vaxx 5 to 11 years old, ignore early treatments, ignore monoclonal antibodies, insist on mandated vaxxs, ignore hospital capacity and the corona vaccine dropping efficiency.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:31am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    What percentage only got vaccinated so that they still have a job, 10%, 20% imagine how pissed they will be when they catch Covid.
    
    Politically can any party afford to sideline and piss off such a large percentage of voters, yes Jacinda they are voters, you don’t have your one party communist state just yet.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think a sizeable % will have been vaccinated because they want to keep their jobs and/or travel.
      
      I’ve never seen any need for the flu vax and I had no great desire to take the Pfiser jab, but after 2 years of being stuck in NZ, I have a greater desire to go travelling than spending 2022 Winter in NZ.
      
      However, if travel plans go belly-up, I’m timing my 2nd vax to get maximum benefit for when the shit really hits the fan in autumn-early winter NZ.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It is hard to figure these counter factuals. But if there were no mandates and travel was open to the unvaccinated I think the vaccination rates would have been something like…
        
        – over 80s – 99 percent
        – 70 – 79 – 95 percent
        – 60 – 69 – 70 percent
        – 50 – 59 – 60 percent
        – 40 – 49 – 50 percent
        under 40 – less than 50 percent.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:15pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Benedict, possibly, but if we had a vaccine with a damn sight fewer issues and problems, we would probably each 90%, because it would be worth it.
        
        There’s always some hold outs, but the primary issue now I believe is that there are actual dangers with the current vaccine. For those over 50 I don’t think there is any real doubts that although the protection is limited it is worth having and the benefits well outweigh the risks.
        
        But for young males, under 17 for example, I think there’s a lot of work required to show that there is any benefit at all for those without some special risk factors. And the risk is not zero.
        
        In between those ages of 17 and 49, somewhere there’s a breakpoint where the benefit is worth the risk, lower probably than higher. But for fit young healthy people, the benefit is likely fairly marginal.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:42pm
    - RightNow
      
      I’ve spent the last 18 months working to build up my immune system, including quitting smoking, and now some career bureaucrats are trying to force me to compromise my immune system with their experimental drug.
      I won’t be taking it to keep my job. My partner will be forced to shut down her business as she is of the same mind, so I’ll keep working as long as I can to support us both. I’m not in a frontline role so I should be able to keep my job.
      But I will take it to travel – i.e. to escape.
      I’m aiming to have my first jab around February/March and my second close to May (8-12 weeks apart ideally) so I can leave NZ. I need to be jabbed to fly and to enter the desired destination country (in SE Asia).
      And to all those who wish me ‘good riddance’ – thank you, but if I accidentally think of you while sipping cocktails on the beach at sunset it will only be to laugh about you.
      
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      November 10, 2021 11:57am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Let’s assume that this claimed rate is true: it’s very easy to plausibly speculate that at least half of that 89% of first doses didn’t act on any medical motivations, but instead were coerced solely on the expectation of having their stolen freedom returned, and so didn’t “voluntarily” get the vaccine in any real sense of the word.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I am double-vaccinated, and can assure the PM that she does not speak for me. Despite her assurance on Election Night last year that she would govern for ALL New Zealanders, she and her government are creating a two-tier society; vaccinated and unvaccinated. The unvaccinated, whatever their reasons for not having the vaccine may be, are now being specifically targeted and disadvantaged, to the point where the PM last week suggested that those who are not vaccinated will not be allowed to leave Auckland over the holiday period.
  
  In terms of protests against her government however, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Let’s see how she feels after Groundswell’s Mother of All Protests takes place on Sunday week!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:44am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Grab your placards and go and give her a rev at Northwest Vax Centre on Westgate Drive at 10.30am today
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:20am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      Bran-Dern got a good send off with 20+ people at Northwest Vax with signs and some verbal when she exited the facility. She was pursued up the carpark and given another dusting so good result. ??
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:32pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        B Dago: Do you have footage?? .. would love to see that!!
        
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        November 10, 2021 2:18pm
  - ecco
    
    She’s a contradiction in terms isn’t she.
    
    What’s happening on Sunday week Tony?
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Groundswell NZ’s Mother of All Protests
      
      https://www.facebook.com/events/304886274495285/?ref=newsfeed
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:51am
- Taieri
  
  What we saw today was not a representative of the vast bulk of New Zealander’s.
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  Using the PMs logic can we safely assume that significant number of MPs are not representative of vast bulk of New Zealanders?
  
  A few random examples:
  
  Is Ricardo Mendez March representative of vast bulk of New Zealanders?
  
  What about Debbie Ngarewa-Packer? Does she represent vast bulk of the Maori, let alone any other New Zealanders?
  
  Does Rachel Brooking represent any electorate?
  
  In fact, does a list MP from ANY party represent anyone but him/her/(undecided) self?
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:50am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    At 50% of the vote at the last election, Jacinda Ardern/Labour is not representative of the vast bulk of New Zealanders either.
    
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    November 10, 2021 1:04pm
- Local Miller
  
  What horrified me is that Judith Collins instructed all National MPs to not meet with the protestors, essentially showing the middle finger to those of us who are opposed to this lockdown and those opposed to this mRNA vaccine.
  This does not bode well for National or win them any support.
  I noticed that no party was prepared to meet the protestors, as if by ignoring the public opposition they could somehow make it all go away.
  The only party prepared to stand for our right to freedoms has been the tiny New Conservatives.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:51am
  - Colville
    
    Yeah just what Collins needs is a headline with photo “Collins supports anti-vaxx rally”
    
    She may not be great but she isnt that dumb.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:23am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Dead right Colville. She only had to look at the example of the media photographing Harete Hipango standing across the road from the Whanganui protest last week, then accusing her of supporting anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
      
      Interestingly, Labour MP’s Adrian Rurawhe and Steph Lewis were also there, awaiting the PM, but they scarpered as soon as they heard that Ardern was just going to drive on by, and do her presser at the Whanganui District Council. I’ve also heard from a couple of council staff that the PM’s mood before and after she faced the media was, shall we say, somewhat agitated!
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:56am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        You and Colville above demonstrate what the problem is: National are irrelevant. “Oh no! Can’t upset the media who hate us!” With respect, you and your generation and your way of thinking have had your day, Tony. Thanks for the memories.
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:02am
      - miltonF
        
        I totally agree with MATR. Why seek respect from despicable liars? I was at the protest yesterday and I have to say I am utterly appalled at how it was framed by the MSM. Their reporting is completely devoid of all reality. Seriously. It is simply fairy tales for the blind believers.
        
        Kiwis need to boycott MSM. They have truely become the enemy of the people. Judith should view any negative MSM articles as a badge of honour and pledge to revoke all media funding if her party ever regains power.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:41pm
      - Colville
        
        Man Among the Ruins.
        
        Its 22 months till the election, 95% of what is done now will be forgotten. What is important is for Collins now is to slowly slowly sneek up on people and become relevant and likeable, and that is happening. What she absolutely does not need is a black eye from the media and that is what addressing a crowd of mobsters and nazis (among others) would have been the opportunity for.
        
        If National stop making mistakes they will be there in ’23 by default.
        
        and I havent voted National since the first time Key (the appeasement monkey) was in power, thanks.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:44pm
    - Local Miller
      
      So she’s caught between a rock and a hard place. Do the right thing and listen to the people, or avoid the people to avoid bad publicity.
      To me this is the sign of a weak leader. She is going to get bad publicity no matter what she does, but there are a lot of people looking for strong leaders to replace the current bunch of wimps. Thinking people understand that you can meet with protestors even if you don’t endorse their message. You are then listening to the people, even if your final choices don’t align with what they wanted (do they ever?).
      As things stand she just comes across as another wimp, not prepared to talk to those with views different to your own.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:34am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        So a strong leader supports anti-vaxers/Trump supporters/gang members without masks?
        “Thinking people”, love that one.
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:04am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Told today that……”Parliamentary Security advised all staff and Members of Parliament not to go onto the forecourt or walk through the front of Parliament.
        
        While the protesters were there all entrances were closed with a heavy police guard at them.
        
        Some were throwing missiles at the media who ventured out.
        
        Despite some media describing the protest as ‘peaceful’ it actually was a very noisy and angry crowd of several thousand who came up to the steps leading to Parliament. ”
        
        It was a very mixed crowd with a variety of placards, posters and flags.
        
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  - ecco
    
    It would have just been fodder for the media to get some kind of angle that National were inciting all of this if there MPs had gone out and met the protesters.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:25am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Exactly. There was no positive for National and its MP’s going out to meet the protestors yesterday, and it’s notable that David Seymour was also nowhere to be seen.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:58am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Do you mean the media who are relentlessly criticised on KB every day? Can’t upset them, can we? If you wake up for five minutes, you’ll recognise that it’s the opposite: if the media are not in hysterics, then the opposition is not doing it’s job.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:04am
  - thirteenstars
    
    If true (got a link?), that doesn’t surprise me at all. And it fits with almost everything else done or said by National in recent years.
    
    They aren’t interested in change that rolls back the size and reach of the state, they are big government advocates, just like Labour, with the selling point that they will regulate and tax you more efficiently, more wisely.
    
    All the Nat supporters here hammer Ardern & Co. for their woeful approach but are either too conceited or too blinkered that they don’t see their team is essentially no different. It’s tribalism, plain and simple. As long as their team wins, who cares?
    
    The Nats will impose COVID borders. The Nats will restrict your rights with vax passports. The Nats will have equally complex rules for threat levels. They offer nothing substantially different.
    
    And if Collins issued such a directive to her caucus then it’s obvious she along with Ardern believes in turning NZ into a two-class society: the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.
    
    Authoritarians are authoritarians, be they left, right or centre.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:31am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      What are National there for? Who the fuck knows.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:05am
    - Local Miller
      
      Yes, this is true. At least 1News reported it it yesterday’s article on the protest, along side the PM’s comments about the protestors not being representative of the majority, etc.
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/large-crowds-gather-in-wellington-for-anti-lockdown-mandate-protest/
      Although I see the wording is “asked her MPs not to meet”
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:23am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        1News and the word “true” cannot exist in the same sentence.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:36pm
  - Prince
    
    How many of their MP’s attended ? Oh, that’s right….
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:49am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    I’m finished with National. Done. They are unfit for purpose. I was, however, very pleasantly surprised by the Freedom Coalition speakers at Wellington yesterday. They spoke articulately, forcefully but rationally, and addressed all of my concerns about the Covid tyranny. They showed some real balls and a lot of promise. The turnout was amazing as well. It has given me faith that New Zealander’s are not all weak and submissive and lacking in courage. I say well done to all of them, and I see it as just a beginning. On the other hand, if National are in agreement with Labour on this, then they can step aside and be demolished like they deserve.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:59am
    - freemark
      
      Exactly my position as well. There is going to be trouble over this, big trouble. Starting this weekend. I was amazed by the strong challenges thrown out. This was not a “mob” – it was a gathering of very passionate people from ALL walks of life – aware that there are some extremely dodgy things going on around the whole Covid narrative. Interesting times ahead.
      
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      November 10, 2021 12:30pm
  - sharont
    
    Yes, Judith Collins has lost my vote for National. At least David Seymour – reading the mood – said he does not support mandates.
    
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    November 10, 2021 5:53pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  The One Trick Show Pony has her blinkers ( a link for those unfamiliar with the term, https://tinyurl.com/oy99xnv ) firmly affixed, the bit clenched between those terrifying teeth and deluded into thinking that she is a Thoroughbred Racehorse leading the race on the home straight. She can see only her dream, (our nightmare) goal of her imagined glorification and Sainthood by attaining the mythical “Totalitarian Socialist State of Aotearoa.”
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:54am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Never mind about Lets Go Brandon, today in Auckland it needs to be be Where’s Our Wally?
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:59am
  - Surely Knott
    
    She’s at the Westgate Covid Vax centre.
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:22am
- alloytoo
  
  She’s not going to meet the workers, she’s going to meet a carefully selected collection of Labour sycophants.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:01am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    I was there and that’s exactly what she did with a contingent of PI vax staff clapping her on.
    
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    November 10, 2021 1:39pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Ardern. No surprises there.
      
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      November 10, 2021 2:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  not representative of the vast majority of New Zealanders
  Really? How the eff would she know?
  Were the anti-TPP demonstrations representative of the majority of NZers that Unons and Labour Pollies marched against (but later endorsed when Peters selected them to become the Govt)?
  Yet another fucking hypocritical statement by our lying PM.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:11am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Log post to reveal your thoughts about the protestors Warren. You could have simply “borrowed” the Ardern line “they are us.”
  Clearly, the majority of NZers don’t agree with you according to the current polling totals – vaccination numbers. You need to reconcile that before you go on with your rants about the PM which vicariously applies to other party leaders who also encourage vaccination and understand how readily Covid can spread.
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:22am
  - Flossie
    
    I am vaccinated but I respect the right of everyone to make their own decision. My vax status in no way reflects my political views and has been done simply to take advantage of overseas travel when it becomes a viable option (which I hoped would’ve been by now)
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:38am
  - I remember when
    
    Current polling totals – vaccination numbers:
    Vaccination numbers mean a majority of the people don’t agree with the present “Lockdown” levels.
    They thought they got vaccinated to allow freedom of movement.
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:20am
- rouppe
  
  I guess she believes “they aren’t us” then
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:19am
- backster
  
  Warren…..Except that Barnett the voice of 5000 small businesses in Auckland stated to Hoskings that his early application to meet the PM when she came to Auckland was declined.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:38am
- ecco
  
  Ardern’s ‘team of epidemiologists/experts’ seem to be getting less airtime these days as well. Where’s Wiles? Haven’t seen her for ages.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:49am
Benedict Yu

I don’t have time to summarise this video but it is here to watch if you have 20 minutes. It is a detailed but accessible analysis of Pfizer’s new antiviral vs ivermectin. Conclusion… Ivermectin works better at stopping replication of the covid virus than the new expensive drug.

It is worth watching.

https://youtu.be/ufy2AweXRkc
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November 10, 2021 8:01am
- Surely Knott
  
  Sorry I meant to uptick.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  I really like his low-tech, very clear delivery. The 3CL scissors bit is great.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:08am
- Raphael
  
  Shhhh you will anger the Overlords in the MSM with your badthink
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:10am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Dr John Campbell… Not a medical doctor. A bit like taking piloting advice from a hostie
  
  No thanks I’ll wait for a professional’s verdict
  
  This is not to say he’s wrong but I don’t think I’ll take my medical advice from a teacher
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What part of his analysis did you have issues with?
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s the astonishing thing I have witnessed in the last 2 years in particular. People will instantly attack the source of the information, either the author or the website. They won’t address the content, just dismiss it out of hand. Maybe it was always like that and I just didn’t notice before?
      These days if I’m posting or sending a link to someone the first comment is, don’t attack the source. Tackle the content or don’t bother.
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:46pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    You obviously haven’t watched any of Campbell’s videos because he NEVER gives ‘medical advice’. Rather he presents documented scientific research and leaves it up to the viewer to form their own opinion.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW he has a postgraduate qualification in pharmacology – not teaching – actual pharmacology. His PhD is in teaching bioscience specifically.
    
    So again I ask you what part of his analysis do you object to? And what kind of “professional” are you waiting for?
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:57am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Retro-viral researchers since you ask – such as a very good friend of mine at Akl Uni
      
      Not a pharmacologist who is a person that looks at effects of exisiting treatments and who by-and-large is not an expert in novel drugs or new uses for existing drugs
      
      And his doctorate is in teaching, he even says so himself “My PhD focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.”
      
      As I said, he may be correct in what he says BUT he is not a research scientist nor is he currently involved in any kind of research for any drugs least of all Covid treatments
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:10am
      - Ed Snack
        
        so why then WaveyDavey are so many “professionals” so dead set against Ivermectin ? We have pretty good evidence that it works, and this excellent presentation provides some fairly clear explanations of just how it might do so.
        
        What i got from the video is that not only does Ivermectin prevent the ACE2/S protein interaction to enable the virus to enter the cell (the interaction I was familiar with), but it also acts within the cell itself and inhibits the 3CL Protease action as well.
        
        With this sort of theoretical and practical information available, why is there not a serious attempt to validate Ivermectin as a treatment ? That’s the key to me, Ivermectin is dirt cheap, it has a really excellent safety record, and it *should* at least reduce the viruses ability to infect and replicate. What’s not to like ?
        
        Is there a reasonable argument anywhere for why we should not be as a very minimum, testing the use ?
        
        And I am a great proponent of just using it anyway, because it costs SFA to supply to people when diagnosed, in the correct human doses it is extremely safe, and even if only works a little, it is almost certainly the least expensive way to reduce the potential load on our hospitals.
        
        So, WHY NOT ?
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:15pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        What you got from the video is what you wanted to get
        
        There is very little “good evidence” beyond some very small-scale tests/claims that Ivermectin does very much at all
        
        You are exhibiting confirmation bias, like most pushing Ivermectin
        
        You believe it works, and you want it to work, so you look for sources that confirm that, and you rate them more highly than those with the opposite opinion
        
        As far as Ivermectin goes the only thing that can truly be said of its use in C19 treatment is that the jury is still out
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:27pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        And btw, it has been tested and the overwhelming results from those tests, which you will almost find a reason to object to, it that it has little beneficial impact on C19
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
        
        Is a recent report on the fraudulent nature of one particular “study” that claimed it was effective
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:32pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      To put it another way
      
      I would go to an oncologist for cancer-related issues, not a paediatrician – both are doctors, in fact both are real doctors – unlike Campbell – in the medical sense of the word but only one is a cancer specialist
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:15am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Sorry to piss on your picnic Wavey but if you think the medical advisors at the MoH are experts in their policy field then you’re mistaken. Pharmac is another entity well versed in stacking their advisory groups such as appointing an orthopaedist hating pharamacist to oversee their orthopaedic advisory. Bloomfield is a medical doctor in the field of public health policy yet produces grandiose comments of safety and efficacy well beyond his area of expertise. Haven’t heard him comment on the appalling surge in miscarriages our hospitals are seeing since he announced Comirnaty was completely safe for pregnant women.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:37pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Who mentioned the MoH or even NZ?
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:28pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Your response is inane. Take that attitude and discuss the “experts” in NZ advising government on how to deal with this thing. Michael Plank – mathematician, Hendy, physics teacher, Baker, a doctor, but one who never practiced a day of medicine in his life, I still don’t know what Wiles does, something to do with bioluminescence. Isn’t that Suzanne Paul’s “Natural Glow”?
        Career academics.
        
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        November 10, 2021 8:52pm
    - Aunty
      
      He’s a nurse by background and profession, and an educator, specifically nursing lecturer at University. That’s not to say that he’s not knowledgeable about medicine, how the body works and nursing because he clearly is, but he’s not a cellular and molecular biologist, or a pharmacologist, or a virologist, so sometimes he gets the fundamentals of those wrong, which he would freely admit to himself.
      
      Someone involved in drug development, for example a pharmacologist at a big pharmaceutical company, has a PhD in that field, in otherwords at least 7 years training, and then all the additional training and experience they would have acquired after completing their PhD. A one year post graduate qualification simply does not rise to that level, or have that depth and breath of knowledge, and it may well be that his post-grad diploma was in clinical pharmacology anyway – the use of medicines in treating disease, interactions between drugs, how the body metabolises drugs, their half-life, side effects etc., which would make sense since he is/was a nurse.
      
      I know he is a great fan of Ivermectin, I haven’t followed in any depth why he likes it so much. Suffice it to say, that the drug has thus far at least failed to gain much cut through with the regulatory authorities and doctors in the US, the UK or the EU as an approved treatment for Covid. I’m assuming that is because the research findings on the matter to date are ambiguous and not settled, and that there are other treatments that are available, so you know, who needs ivermectin? It’s not a cure after all.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:56am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I’ve read that Ivermetic has recently gained ground in terms of its use during the infection cycle. From memory, if used earlier rather than later. 62% reductions in death:
        
        https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx
        
        Conclusions:
        Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:11pm
      - RightNow
        
        Actually replying to Brian McDonald @ 12:11
        Wow! I never expected you to come round to the use of Ivermectin to treat Covid.
        If only Brenda and her bureaucrats would do the same and adopt it for NZ we could end our lockdowns immediately.
        Let’s go Brenda!
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:20pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Heck, here am I upticking a Brian McDonald post, but he’s on the money here.
        
        It’s not just the moderate certainty of a large reduction in deaths and serious illness, but that to use it costs peanuts.
        
        Yet there is a huge resistance to even allow it to be thought about. It sounds terribly conspiratorial, but is there something in the agreements that Pfizer (and others) make with governments that somehow blocks the advocacy for alternative treatments ? Because the “vaccine” roll out has been a financial godsend for those companies, if one wanted a motive.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:19pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Well done Brian – I appreciate the fact that you’re prepared to alter your views based on emerging evidence. Much the same as Benedict and Krazy. If only others in position of influence were prepared to do the same.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:40pm
      - Aunty
        
        “Moderate-certainty evidence”
        
        That’s probably not enough at this time to change clinical practice. The regulators will be looking for high-certainty evidence, established from a multicentre double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial, with a good number of participants (>1000). And preferably more than just one trial too.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:42pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @ Brian
        
        Look at “Table 2. – Summary of findings table of ivermectin versus no ivermectin for COVID-19 treatment in any setting.”
        
        Now look at how the “Quality of Evidence” ranks – it’s not what you’d call impressive
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:36pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The only reason Ivermectin data is either suppressed or smeared is because it will hugely impact on some substantial profits. End of story. It’s been around for years, it is well tested and proven, it is cheap, using it would certainly do no harm, data from Uttar Pradesh showed outstanding results. It’s like suggesting taking an aspirin every day for 2 weeks.
        
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        November 10, 2021 8:56pm
  - Sacha
    
    @ WaveyDavey: Dr John Campbell is a teacher of Nurses, and for many years has been delivering entertaining and graphically clear lectures through his you-tube channel. He has been involved in research and projects in many countries.
    You could do worse than look at some of the lectures and realise that to be able speak so clearly about a very complex subject (the human body) so that the ignorant become knowledgeable, deserves more acknowledgement than your disparagement.
    You could start with the one about the heart and its function, and then move on to the the lungs, which are both affected by
    inadequate early treatment of Covid19 infections.
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:43pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      All fine of course, even exemplary but he’s still not active in drug research and this is what we’re talking about
      
      My mechanic is fantastic at fixing my car, not so good at dentistry. But like “Dr” Campbell he’d also probably “give it a go”
      
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      November 10, 2021 3:38pm
      - bronny1
        
        WRT your earlier comments – you were the one me ruining my experts. Your mate at Auckland uni apparently is a covid specialist of some sort. Which begs the question – if we have actual experts in NZ why aren’t they speaking out instead of the plonkers that get all the air time??!
        
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        November 10, 2021 7:24pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Then have a listen to Mike Yeadon if you want someone with pharmaceutical experience.
        
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        November 10, 2021 9:01pm
- redeye
  
  This same guy
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7c_FHiEac
  Debunking the BBC debunking of Ivermectin.
  * paper lead author was a student.
  * Concentrated on 1/3 of the 26 major trials and completely ignored the other 2/3rds.
  * He’s not anti-vax.
  When government owned media organisations are deceiving you about health issues you know we’re in trouble.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That makes perfect sense Benedict, particularly when put along side all of the other contradictions we have witnessed over the worst 2 years in many decades.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:51am
- Iver Mectin
  
  Great vid thank for link I watch john everyday certainly gives a balanced view. Over time he has gone from being a strong advocate for vaccinations to a strong advocate for the science. What I am confused about is how have world leaders ended up where they are given the overwhelming scientific evidence that millions of deaths and economic pain could have been avoided by simply following the science. Is it just that Big Pharma has so much influence, incompetence or is there some else going on. For those of you have have not yet read the Spartacus letter highly recommended. Ross B
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:47am
  - Sacha
    
    World Leaders didn’t get where they are today by listening to bona fide medical researchers.
    They listen to the Money Men, who don’t listen either.
    Medicine has a body of knowledge that most of us couldn’t begin to imagine.
    And what you don’t know . . . . . . .
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:52pm
- Fletch
  
  It makes me very angry that we have the drugs to treat this virus (IVM) and they are being ignored because, for one, they are no longer patented and noone can make any money out of it. That’s got to be one of the main reasons, surely? Whatever it is, this is being ignored by govts and these drugs even smeared.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:12am
  - miltonF
    
    Yes, and in two years, not one mention of health self improvement. No mention of losing weight, eating well, getting sunlight (vitamin D) and many others. Actually, our leaders and their lackeys are straight up criminals. It’s almost like all the health advice has been 100% contrary to good practice. It makes one think that this has nothing to do with health!
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:52pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    FFS, Ivermectin HAS NOT been ignored. It’s been trialled many, many times and there is still no reliable evidence from real-world trials that it does anything
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:39pm
    - mawm
      
      I suggest you read the Attorney General of Nebraska’s ruling on the use of Ivermectin by doctors.
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:50pm
- bythesea
  
  yes – great video.
  3 interesting things about it
  
  1) the chance to do this sort of video (and not get banned) has only come about because of the promotion of the Pfizer 3CL protease inhibitor.
  That means it is now fair game to talk about these type of inhibitors
  
  2) the blow by blow discussion of the inhibitor – what it is, how it works and how there have been comparison tests done already with other drugs
  
  3) the various pointed smack downs he has delivered in this video particularly. Dr Campbell has definitely tipped over (while still supporting vaccine and masks)
  “Nobody is saying that information has been suppressed while millions of people have died”
  $0.06 vs $340
  the bit at the end
  
  I think this is a crux point we just witnessed. A point of discontinuity where things can change rapidly.
  Pfizer just publicly pushed a therapeutic which is a standard mechanism. That changes the discussion landscape into comparison rather than either/or with vaccine and nothing.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:48am
  - Sacha
    
    But the Government has been hog-tied by its deal with Pfizer. Goodness only knows what penalty clauses are in the contract if it reneged..
    Certainly none in NZ’s favour.
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:55pm
Andrei

“Let us eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we die”

There is nothing merry in our world of masks, vaccinations and social distancing

Luke 12:25
And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?

Why did we let Jacinda Ardern and her dreary harbingers of doom do this to us?

All these grey little people can acheive in their hubristic attempts to “save lives”, lives that have run their natural course in any case, is to make life not worth living.
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November 10, 2021 8:02am
Bridgenag

Has the removal of 600,000 books from the National Library been discussed before? A grant has been given for this process which started 2 years ago. The main reason given is to provide the space for the 2,000 odd books published in New Zealand each year as opposed to the 600,000 that had been published overseas. About 300 years worth of space then………….Sigh
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November 10, 2021 8:02am
- Mike
  
  All libraries weed their collections. I understand that most of the books will find home in other libraries. Our national library had an obvious, and unsurprising, focus on items published in New Zealand.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Mike, alias Mikenmild (it depends on whether he logs on through Patreon), repeats his defence of the Vandals’ cull of the National Library.
    
    This isn’t a local lending library we’re talking about. It’s the national book collection of this small, remote country.
    
    It would have been a tiny cost, compared with the millions the Government and bureaucrats throw around, to provide extra storage space, perhaps out of Wellington, and keep, rather than give away, thousands of titles paid for by taxpayers.
    
    I think previously Mike/Mikenmild suggested all titles would be available electronically any way. This ignores the frailty of electronic storage. It’s less durable than paper. Drop-out from electronic files begins after a few years.
    
    The cull makes room for NZ titles and Pacific titles.
    
    NZ publishes, say, 2,000 or 3,000 titles a year. Pacific Islands together publish a few hundred. About half a million titles are published in the English language each year.
    
    You can bet the National Library’s remnant small holding will focus on: the tiny dribble of titles in Maori language; English-language titles supporting a Maori ethno-state; our ever-more “decolonised” national histories; NZ novels, overwhelmingly Woke; and perhaps slim volumes or poetry from the ever more varied minority communities.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:50am
- tf78
  
  Bridgenag, unfortunately they are removing inconvenient truths.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:43am
- Reid
  
  Yes unfortunately they are removing inconvenient truth. Same thing is being done in the US with the removal of the statues and the CRT in the schools.
  
  Marxists destroy the history by re-writing it, it happened in all the commie revolution and also in the Nazi one. It’s what marxist/facists do, and the purpose is to indoctrinate our children into their view of our history.
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:35am
Maggie Pie

WORD OF THE DAY

Catchfart (n) 17th C ….one who slavishly follows behind their leader and blows with the political wind.
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November 10, 2021 8:04am
- hookerphil
  
  Judith Collins – both in housing and failing to meet with the protesters yesterday.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:09am
  - kowtow
    
    No , one look at some of the people at that is enough to say , Keep Well Away .
    
    Mobsters etc .
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:15am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Time for her to go….
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:19am
    - All_on_Red
      
      And replaced by who?
      Luxon? Willis? lol
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:43am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Luxon is another pale stale male with bugger all political experience.
        The optics are terrible against Ardern.
        
        National would slit their own throat if they chose him.
        
        I am keen on seeing the Deputy leader ascend to the throne
        Shane Reiti has all the right optics for me.
        Maori
        Not another old guy
        Great life experience.
        GP-17 years
        On the Board of Northland DHB – 6 years
        
        Knows his shit about the Virus etc
        Internationally aclaimed
        
        A nice guy not tainted by the Media.
        
        For the life of me I cant understand why National doesnt push him in to debates/assessments on the Covid thing.
        
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        November 10, 2021 9:46am
      - ecco
        
        The only thing with Reti is he looks like far too nice a guy and the media is vicious these days especially with the Covid media bribe fund in action. It would take a pretty thick skinned person with a squeaky clean record to stand up to all the MSM abuse.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:04pm
      - Flossie
        
        Shane is everything you say, except what about his “electability”? That hard to pin down quality…maybe charisma? Not trying to put the guy down at all just trying to be realistic about him capturing the public’s imagination.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:10pm
  - bono vilfredo
    
    I was really disappointed to hear & see Judith Collins label the protesters yesterday as ‘the unvaccinated or anti-vaxer’s. She doesn’t know that and I am willing to bet a good deal of that crowd have been inoculated.
    They were New Zealanders standing up for themselves is what they were. They represent me even if I don’t agree with everything they believe in.
    Still my fellow countrymen.
    Why do people, politicians, bureaucrats, health officials even give a toss whether or not someone is inoculated?
    Those who are are protected, right?
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    I hope Judith reads this blog. I have been a strong defender and supporter of Judith but I’m afraid her insane brain fart over housing is just beyond the pale. 3 X 3 storey houses on ANY section. For God’s sake Judith what the hell were you thinking? You’re in grave danger of losing your support and you know very well you can’t afford to.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:27am
    - NoFax
      
      It’s almost like Judith believes in property rights. Imagine people able to build on their own land!
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:33am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Nofax. Even you must surely believe that a line ought to be drawn under what your immediate neighbours should be permitted to build ‘on their own land’. You’d be happy with a pet food factory, a mosque, a rock music school, a 10 storey apartment block to be erected next door to you, would you? Pull the other one. Your ‘it’s my land and so I can build whatever I want’ comment is simply dishonest and ludicrous.
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:04am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Indeed. And notably, the change that both National and Labour support only says the people CAN build up to three 3-story homes on a section, not that they HAVE to!
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:10am
      - lifesgood
        
        Hear, hear Nukeleka. Methinks there are a couple of greedy developers on here.
        
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        November 10, 2021 1:41pm
      - NoFax
        
        Replying to Nukuleka. I think you are throwing out a lot of red herrings. The new rule is a person can build 3 stories on his or her land with no more than 50% foot print without consent. Hardly, the Armageddon who try to paint.
        
        A person has a right to access land and free flow of water – that’s it at common law. There are no other right and certainly no right to a view or any other “rights” made up to disguise NIMBYism.
        
        My starting point is that I don’t get to decide how other people live and what they do to their property unless it interferes with my rights. Maybe you think you can control others but I don’t.
        
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        November 10, 2021 8:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The doors of Parliament were locked.. No-one could get out (or in).
    Parliament’s Speaker Trevor Mallard said security had never been as tight as it was today.
    
    He said the Parliament grounds were crawling with police and security and all entrances apart from one had been blocked off.
    
    National Party leader Judith Collins also said she had never seen so much security, but hoped the protests would be peaceful.
    
    Parliament’s main entrances are all locked down and some protesters have set up ahead of the main march arriving.
    https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/thousands-turn-out-wellington-protest
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:31am
    - pdm
      
      Maggy – Barely Sober climbed the security fence twice yesterday – or so he told his wife in his regular session just before 17.00.
      
      Climbed out and then climbed back in after the appointment he said he went to.
      
      Can’t be much of a fence if an old townie like Soper could get over it – twice!!!
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:40am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Yes, I heard that, and also heard Heather’s laughter at the thought of Bazza climbing a fence!
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:11am
    - tf78
      
      Maggy, Barry Soper said the only way he could get out of the ‘compound’ was to climb over the fence.
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:46am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Scared little rabbits court in the headlights.
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:47am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      I was at the protest yesterday the image that is seared in my mind is that of one man kneeling on the ground letting the elderly stand on one leg to get into parliament and them being assisted by a man on the other side. There were people of all generations vaxed and unvaxed marching against the mandates and division of society.
      I guess the politicians must have been terrified when we sang the national anthem to them and reminded them they work for us.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:22am
  - artemisia
    
    Regardless of instances of this and that, Judith does now seem to have the caucus behind her, at least to the public. National are also quietly releasing actual policy and increasing the number of spox getting airtime.
    
    Looks to me like a careful and considered strategy, and that would not be too surprising given the experience in and out of caucus, and the time to the next election. ACT are following a similar approach, though more carefully as most of their MPs are still breathing through the nose.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:13am
  - crikey
    
    Why should JC do anything that might divert some of the heat off Labour. For that reason I don’t have a problem with her not meeting the protestors. I prefer her tactics than yours.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:32am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I guess catch farts staff much of our news media in that case eh Jessica Tova.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:10am
- MCos
  
  I used to hang on your every word, Maggie, but you can include me out.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:13am
- emmess
  
  Camilla?
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:30am
- tf78
  
  I thought you were talking about Biden!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:43am
- Nickc2
  
  I’ll start the list of Catchfarts in this Govt:
  
  1. Stuart Nash
  2. . . . . . .
  
  Feel free to add.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:28am
mandk

Ardern says the protesters in Wellington yesterday do not represent wider New Zealand.

How would she know?

She is surrounded by sycophantic lackeys, she gets her news from her paid-for state media, she won’t take questions from ordinary people when she is out and about, and she hasn’t even been to her own electorate in months.
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November 10, 2021 8:05am
- G152
  
  Yup.
  She’s bought the media and TV1 last night proved it.
  Very few people at the protest ???
  I saw a full house and democracy .. All the crazies… and each with the freedom to state their opinion.
  And Cindy locked up with her co-conspirators behind doors and police.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    Last night’s editing of video showing the protest was very selective and revealing of their (TVNZ’s) biased reporting. If available video clips didn’t suit TVNZ’s bought and paid for agenda, accompanying irrelevant voice-over was provided.
    
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    November 10, 2021 2:19pm
- pdm
  
  First rule, in fact the only rule, for keeping your 9th floor job:
  
  Tell Jacinda what she wants to hear…..
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:42am
- Ruahine
  
  mandk.
  I was very impressed with the work the Media put out yesterday concerning the rally at Parliament. The Gov’t will be very pleased with their work and I would not be at all surprised if there is even more ‘rewards’ coming for them before the next election.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:42am
ecco

For some light reading and opportunity to comment on Ardern, go to this Daily Mail article on that bedtime stunt Jacinda released with her daughter yesterday, to try and show she’s a real mother, as well as the prime minister ?…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10179741/Jacinda-Arderns-daughter-Neve-interrupts-NZ-prime-minister-Facebook-live-update-Covid.html

Clearly this was thought up by her branding team and advertorial space bought accordingly on NZ (the Herald) and overseas (the DM – the article was popping up when the geotagging picked up that you are based in NZ and visit the site).

Feel free to post your frank and honest assessment of Ardern there! Ardern’s team have clearly picked up the vibe and the article has disappeared to the depths of the DM site. (Normal modus operandi for Ardern)
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November 10, 2021 8:06am
- Warren
  
  And the media fawn over it and all it is Jacinda Ardern’s way of getting the lovies to vote for her with Msm’s help.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:15am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  Jeepers, the comments section is brutal, no one is buying this charade!
  
  My favourite comment:
  “I’m surprised she didn’t end the call because of a heckling child.”
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:29am
- Observer of Life
  
  Ecco: God she is pathetic. Talk about staged… ?
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:02am
- Flossie
  
  How cute//
  
  Barf barf.
  
  Is this the very same child Trevor Mallard was threatening anyone who dared to photograph as a newborn?
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:41am
- bronny1
  
  She’s never done anything unscripted, including this
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:14am
Yvette

The UN has assigned Climate Minister James Shaw a key negotiating role in this final week of the CO26 meeting in Glasgow. He will co-facilitate the Transparency workstream with Sir Molwyn Joseph, Minister of Health, Wellness and the Environment of Antigua and Barbuda, a Caribbean nation.
“Since the Paris Agreement does not have compliance and enforcement measures, transparency is a critical component for enabling accountability and trust,” Chatham House, a leading UK policy institute, wrote in a paper shortly before the start of the negotiations.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cop26/cop26-nzs-shaw-given-key-task-at-cop26

So Shaw will be in charge of “transparency”

Russia comes in from cold on climate, launches forest plan
President Vladimir Putin joked about global warming in 2003, saying that Russians would be able to “spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would increase” if it continued.
But – “By aiming to build a carbon-neutral economy by no later than 2060, Russia is relying, among other things, on the unique resource of forest ecosystems available to us,
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/russia-comes-in-from-cold-on-climate-launches-forest-plan/

However, while – Many of the countries at the climate summit rely on some form of absorbing emissions to achieve their targets of being “net zero” by 2050 — that is, emitting only as much greenhouse gas as can be captured again by natural or artificial means – Shaw says, that what he meant by “responsible for” was not only reductions that would be made in New Zealand but also the offshore deals it would make. And he conceded that two-thirds of New Zealand’s target would be met by offshore deals.
https://www.politik.co.nz/shaw-to-buy-his-way-out-of-the-climate-crisis/ | Politik
(Will overseas Governments manage delivery better than our own Labour Government’s non-delivery, one wonders?)

So as most Government “action”, no matter the issue, seems to be to “kick the can down the road”, with Climate Change they intend kicking some of it into other people’s backyards.
And in terms of what is an Ardernian “nuclear moment”, carbon absorption equates with disposing of nuclear waste – since in about thirty years time, mature forest trees fall over and rot, or pose a decomposing carbon-releasing problem in someone else’s backyard. Either because we have physically exported logs there, or now as seems to be the grand plan: grew them there to start with, while we don’t as greatly reduce New Zealand’s own emissions as would seem fundamental.

How “transparent” is that?
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November 10, 2021 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Tuvalu wallah standing in a lagoon for silly PR stunt.
  
  Tuvalu’s land mass has grown since they reclaimed the Borrow Pits.
  
  ps Talking of silly stunts , have the Maldives disappeared under the waves yet .( Cabinet in diving gear) .
  
  if climate emergency is so real , why do they do such pantomime performances.
  
  All political theatre , for the stupid unthinking voter.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Hasn’t the Maldives built a whole lot more airports in recent years, to facilitate tourism?
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:27am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, they’ve made a big thing about it. Come to the Maldives and dive there before it disappears!
      
      Of course it they really believed this bullshit they would build underwater hotels with airlocks for divers. Those could be pretty neat.
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:55am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yup. Lots of ’em.
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:58am
  - I remember when
    
    If climate emergency is so real……
    How is it possible to consider “Blah!Blah!Blah!” the most newsworthy statement to come out of GOP 26.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:51am
  - Local Miller
    
    Additionally, their land area has actually increased slightly since the parliament stunt in about 2009.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      Very true. These Islands are just sand, bird shit, rotten foliage, dead shell fish and coconut trees on top of coral. Of course, they will rise and fall as wind, current and tides interact with the damned things. More Parrot Fish required eh?
      
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      November 10, 2021 12:37pm
- Scott
  
  I just think it’s marvellous that James Shaw can go overseas to Glasgow in the middle of a pandemic while a million New Zealanders are locked down and can’t even leave the district!
  It’s also wonderful how James can go overseas and know that he will be able to get back ahead of everyone else who has been trying to get an MIQ spot for months.
  
  And while he is overseas he can ensure that the New Zealand economy will decline by committing to cutting down our emissions to hopelessly unrealistic levels.
  All this in an attempt by the New Zealand government to change the weather! 🙂
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:31am
  - Ruahine
    
    Some people I know really believe that the Labour Gov’t can control the weather in much the same way Ardern said that she was able to eliminate a virus.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Mahuta is off on a world trip tomorrow resting and representing us in many different countries.
    How embarrassing for Aotearoa.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:21am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Paulus: Correction, embarrassing for the great nation of New Zealand.
      Business as usual for Aotearoa.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:06am
    - oldfella
      
      Paulus, thank God she’s not representing New Zealand. How embarrassing would that be?
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:28am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And even more embarrassing for New Zealand.
      
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      November 10, 2021 11:20am
    - sharont
      
      Oh, my God! Mahuta will certainly cause a rapid decline in holiday visas to come to NZ. People will think we’re all like that!
      
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      November 10, 2021 6:21pm
- cmm
  
  Transparency needs to be controlled and managed.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And another opinion on the UN fiasco:
  https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/09/cop26-is-just-an-eco-fascist-gaslighting-operation/
  
  I am surprised at the current state of the world. It seems to be run for those with a $100M + with an incessant desire to further increase their wealth and control-neo feudalism?
  
  The climate change scenario appears to be a power grab when considered in the light of the fraud exhibited so far and senior scientists predicting an imminent prospective long term cooling global cycle.
  
  Are they going to block the new energy supplies too? An interesting possibility is that enthusiasts will make their own power plants as they did in the early days of computing and experimenters have already done. The research community have passed a great deal of info around. The commercial race is on, is that to be intercepted as well?
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:07am
Prince

I went to the Wellington march yesterday, largely to add my voice to those opposing this Government. Accompanying me was a man who had lost his business, and his livelihood during last years lockdown, and another whose son had passed away in Auckland and had been refused permission, along with his two brothers, to attend the funeral.
Think about that. The Government stopped him attending his own son’s funeral. In New Zealand. In 2021.
I see on TV News and hear on RNZ that the march is described as an odd assortment of anti-vaxers and other ‘misfits’. How convenient.

That was not what I saw and heard on the march. There is anger growing at the way this country is being divided by Ardern, and her media.
It seems odd that in this team of five million, in this ‘communidy’ we hear about so often, those who accept the responsibilities such membership demands are the ones that are denied the simple humanity of grieving for a son.
We want better things for the next generation. Better things for New Zealand than is being offered by this Government, who seek to smash everything in the search for ‘equality’ of outcomes.
We are the ones who, deep down, Ashley, Jacinda, Grant and their bureaucratic and media crew despise more than anyone else.
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November 10, 2021 8:08am
- k1w1
  
  Well said. The brush off that the majority of NZ don’t agree is false and yet another attempt to divide the nation. As anyone in marketing knows, a single complaint letter equates to 20 who feel the same but just can’t be bothered writing. Turning up and protesting, the ratio is larger still. While I don’t agree with all the sentiments and groups on display, some I do. It’s fascinating to see such disparate groups mixing to protest. Nurses, teachers, business owners rubbing shoulders with gang members and church fanatics.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Prince-
  Good on you for going on the protest.
  Ms Ardern, the government, the opposition and the weasily media seem to be totally out of touch with the people.
  How quickly the media “reporters” at the event tried to protect their benefactors and disparage the marchers personally without addressing the issues.
  Instead, they appealed to the lowest common denominator, and we who were not there got a lot of tosh about Trump, Qanon and right wing conspiracy.
  Maybe the Russians were involved.
  Someone might have had bottles of petrol under a table ffs.
  The msm are an embarrassment.
  Our politicians are a soft, protected species.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:27am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  I am concerned that the total disinterest and dismissive attitude by every political party to those who oppose their policies may lead to bad outcomes.
  While I in no way support violent actions, there may be people who, when they see their peaceful protests ignored, will move on to other means.
  I hope not, but I can see why some may see that as necessary now.
  Downvotes graciously accepted.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:30am
  - westernScientest
    
    I fully expect these protests will go the same route as pretty much every other one around the world and become “mostly peaceful”. Because these people are just going to be ignored, then the cops will try and arrest them all because its bad PR for Cindy. Mostly they will use excuses like posting something on facebook (as happened a lot in Australia, and I think already happened here to the FRC during Auckland level 4) to keep it out of the public eye. That will make them way angrier because they are being backed into a corner, with a lot of time on their hands (no jobs any more and all), where do these idiots in power think this is going to end up?
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:58am
- Scott
  
  Prince – I think the stopping of people from attending the funeral of a family member has been terrible. I know last year a local funeral director had to stop a daughter from attending her own father’s funeral. “Could I not just stand at the back? I promise not to touch anything.” But all to no avail. Because of government edicts on Covid she could not attend her own father’s funeral. That’s just poor.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:37am
- kevn
  
  @Prince… There seems a slow awakening. I am meeting random people who are happy to chat and share.
  arden seems to be doing the old ‘divide and conqueror’ trick. With some success unfortunately.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:37am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Very well said Prince – my thoughts had been along these lines.
  
  One cannot help but get the feeling that the PM’s PR department has been all over the expected reporting standards of yesterday’s protest in advance. A scan of all the MSM outlets last night and this morning seem to show pretty well identical themes being reported.
  – the protesters virtually all anti vaxxers with a small mix of the professional hanger oners ( 1080’s, etc ) – little said about the loss of freedoms/ mandates aspect which appeared evident from live videos and this theme of course nicely dovetails to the PM’s view of the protests significance.
  – the extreme far right/Trojan horse plus Capital hill theory – strange how it was mentioned by so many outlets rather than just maybe one or two
  – negative innuendoes in live reports/blogs and how this was going to turn nasty – but it didn’t! – bit of an oops there – presumably as they hadn’t realised the protest group would have their own security along to keep things stable.
  Mondays MSM heads conference call/briefing must have been pretty detailed. I just love this sort of transparency.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:43am
  - alloytoo
    
    What I find interesting is that despite the narrative, they can’t seen to produce very many pictures of “Anti-Vax” protesters.
    
    The closest I saw was what looked to be a ten year old with a poster that read “I am not a science experiment”
    
    Then there’s the whole 9 seconds of clip with people allegedly threatening a TVNZ camera man.
    I’m sorry, but a 9s clip does nothing to allay my fears that those particular protesters weren’t taunted into their response.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:59am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Well said Prince. I would have loved to go to yesterday’s protest, but I had other commitments. However I have been careful to keep the afternoon of Sunday 21st November free, and will be interested to see what the PM has to say after tens of thousands of New Zealanders turn out for the Mother of All Protests.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:49am
  - Tricati
    
    Tony, MSM already try to frame the narrative by saying ‘Groundswell’ protest is nothing but anti-VAXes and Destiny Church antagonists.
    The fact they have have started to deflect the focus from the genuine issues, I suggest, shows how worried they are.
    I will be attending also, along with our very elderly neighbours, along with many urban folk who have just had enough.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:01am
    - mawm
      
      The bought and paid for MSM have been doing their job by supressing any news of anti passport or vaccine mandate protests that are happening throughout Europe, Canada and the US. We are not allowed to know about them or we might be encourage to express ourselves.
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:12pm
- igm
  
  Tv, radio, and print are paid by Ardern with taxpayers’ money to stick to a communist narrative. If they deviate from the directive many so-called journos will be on the streets . . . sooner than later!
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:27am
- sharont
  
  I went to a stand up protest in Hamilton. Most of the crowd I would think would normally be Labour voters. Many were ardently anti Ardern.
  
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  November 10, 2021 6:23pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell, at his blog, Croaking Cassandra, puts the Productivity Commission under the magnifying glass over its report on immigration policy.

A sample:

”When people refer back to this report in years to come – as no doubt some will – no doubt the champions of large scale non-citizen immigration will find support. But no one – pro or con – will find illumination. But with nothing challenging, nothing troubling, no doubt the Beehive will have been happy, and the powers that be at the Commission will have rewarded the trust ministers showed in appointing their mates.”

https://croakingcassandra.com/2021/11/09/the-beehive-will-have-been-happy-i-suppose/
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November 10, 2021 8:09am
Mr_Blobby

Welcome to another day of lockdown tyranny.

I watched the protesters at parliament yesterday from Auckland, numbers looked impressive.

The prime ministers response was that they were a very small minority, that the vast majority supported what the government was doing.

I look forward to the government sponsored pro lockdown pro vaccine mandate protestes.

Take out the MSM and they might fill a service station forcourt.

I wonder if police are also in line for a vaccine mandate, sounds logical given their client base.Gangs, unvaccinated etc

Health, education, corrections, border workers, MIQ etc
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November 10, 2021 8:09am
- k1w1
  
  Cindy isn’t keen on mandating police vax. I wonder why. It’s sure as shit not about health/safety.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    They all lie and say “follow the science” but the truth is political expediency trumps all.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:40am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Simple reason – upwards of 1,500 coppers have told them they wont take the current vax, and good on them.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:41am
    - sooty
      
      Darling Leader can’t afford to lose 1500 poolicemen! She would have to mobilize the military and they are stretched with MIQ.
      
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      November 10, 2021 11:44am
  - bronny1
    
    Well let’s watch them push out the date for teachers in a few weeks when the teachers (who apparently just need to be given more information to help them make the right decision!) dont back down (my understanding is that they remain employed till 31 dec? So there is time)
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:20am
- I remember when
  
  Mr Blobby:
  I wonder how many of the “thin blue line” on the steps of Parliament have been vaccinated.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:40am
Sacha

Many of you will be familiar with Dr John Campbell’s regular reports on the Pandemic over the past year.
He has been a supporter of the use of vaccines, and urging viewers to do so as well, which makes this latest comment all the more disconcerting -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THv33zWykJc
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November 10, 2021 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Just had a check of the Principles of the NZ Labour Party to see whether they still believe in the rights of folk to work….
and they do:

All people are entitled to dignity, self-respect and the opportunity to work.
whew….

tell that to the folks who are about to lose their jobs because they have decided not to take the Pfizer jab.

oh, another Labour Party principle:

All people should have equal access to all social, economic, cultural, political and legal spheres, regardless of wealth or social position, and continuing participation in the democratic process.

But the traffic light system will see some NZ citizens prevented from having equal access to social, economic and cultural spheres.

https://www.labour.org.nz/party_info

Our Dear PM and her Labour party cronies are well on the way to ensuring the unvaxxed are denied opportunities and respect and the ability to earn a wage to feed their family and themselves.
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November 10, 2021 8:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Simplicity illegal and brought to you by the govt of Niu Tirani, formerly New Zealand.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:13am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Laying it on a bit thick there Maggy.
  Isn’t the opportunity to work in a safe environment part of that?
  In terms of “equal access” so far the Courts are putting safety first.
  If you can reconcile that then perhaps there is a debate that would take into account that the un-vaxxed are not excluded from working in all environments.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m a working-class girl, Brian, and have been a paid-up Union member and work-place rep.
    
    I know bloody well what socialists and the NZ Labour Party used to stand for.
    
    It seems that those who have had a nice middle-class up-bringing have no idea who their party used to represent.
    
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    November 10, 2021 2:27pm
- mawm
  
  I just assumed that they were using Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” as their play book.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:18pm
artemisia

Kakariki Kids in Golden Bay looks after 50 littlies. And looks like closing this week. It will not be the only one. There is already a shortage of ECE teachers, and this will be more so in rural and provincial areas.

Thing is, there will be a flow on effect possibly for months or even years – more workers who can’t, more benefits applied for, more rents or mortgages falling behind. And last but certainly not least, increased stress in multiple households.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126931292/covid19-parents-desperate-as-ece-centre-closes-over-vaccine-mandate
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November 10, 2021 8:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  This situation is going to be mirrored right across the ECE sector Artemisia, especially away from the main centres. The Home Based ECE sector is particularly targeted. Not only are Home Based Educators required to be vaccinated, but the requirement extends to every person in their home over the age of 12 years. A number of Home Based ECE services will close as a result of this, and many others will face a significant drop in revenue. But worst of all, the rate of children participating in ECE will plummet, after years of successive governments making participation in ECE a high priority.
  
  Here’s the ultimate irony though. When New Zealand went into Level Four lockdown in August, to whom did Minister Hipkins and the MoE turn to provide ECE services for the young children of essential workers? Yep, the same Home Based ECE sector he now seems determined to decimate.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:24am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The Home Based ECE sector is particularly targeted
    
    As a Home Based ECE educator you are obligated to ensure the chap who comes to clear the leaves from your gutting has been vaccinated. Ditto every parent who walks in the door to drop off their kids.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:04am
- westernScientest
  
  exactly as planed comrade.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  I understand a centre in Kaikoura is in a similar position.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:05am
Paulus

Our Leader may be in for an interesting day if anybody can find her as it is a secret even to close media allies where she is going to be – probably except a Primary School somewhere.
I see Mahuta is doing our Great Leaders’ world leaders trip in Ardern’s place –
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November 10, 2021 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Primary schools in Auckland are still closed, so you can forget about them today!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:24am
- westernScientest
  
  I cant see that being good for trade, or pretty much anything….
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:32am
Tony Stuart

Who’s right and who’s wrong when it comes to vaccine mandates for education workers?

Is it Chris Hipkins right, when he said this Radio NZ?

Teachers would not be pitched out of the classroom if they had not had their first dose by Tuesday, he said.

“Those who are not fully vaccinated between now and the end of the year, and need to have a weekly test until they are fully vaccinated.

“And then of course, from the 1st of January, teachers need to be fully vaccinated if they’re coming back into the classroom next year.”

Or is the Ministry of Education right with this advice to schools and early learning centres?

We expect most education workers will be fully vaccinated. Staff members who do not meet vaccination requirements cannot return to work onsite from Tuesday 16 November and they will be committing an infringement offence if they do so.

This is simply not good enough. The MoE’s advice seems crystal clear; unvaccinated staff must not go onto their work site, and are breaking the law if they do. Yet Hipkins is suggesting that it’s not as cut and dried as that, and there’s plenty of wiggle room.

Our service will continue to follow the Ministry of Education’s advice. The Minister needs to get on message, or if he still believes he’s right, get the MoE to modify their advice to education providers.
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November 10, 2021 8:14am
Raphael

So today I am pissed off.
My school is loosing a number of great teachers who, for whatever reasons they have, are exercising their human right to refuse a medical treatment and getting fired for it.
I am pissed off that the media constantly pushes the narrative that it’s the only way to keep kids safe (when it isn’t. The current C19 vaccines don’t stop you getting or spreading C19).
I am pissed off at the mindless zombies who are so stocked up on fear that they crap themselves when anyone suggests disagreeing with “Aunty”.
I am pissed off that this lovely country I now call my home is becoming an Authoritarian Dictatorship where we’re told that they don’t give a damn about democracy, you will fall into line (mandates, lockdowns, 3 waters etc.)
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November 10, 2021 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have a friend about to lose her teaching job…she had blood clot problems during her pregnancies and will not risk the Pfizer jabs. She’s not anti-vax and would consider the Novovax vaccine.
  
  I don’t think Our Dear PM has yet realised what a problem she has created by her vax mandates.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:24am
  - westernScientest
    
    I dont think the general populous realise the shitstorm that is brewing either, but they will eventually when most of our socialised systems completely crumple to the ground.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:38am
  - Spoff
    
    “A group of Christchurch aviation security officers – who lost their jobs over their decision not to have the Covid-19 vaccine – have had their case dismissed by the High Court. The four workers, whose names are suppressed, mounted a legal challenge after it became compulsory for border security staff to be vaccinated.
    Justice Francis Cooke said he was “satisfied that the vaccine is safe and effective, is significantly beneficial in preventing symptomatic infection of Covid-19, including the Delta variant”.
    
    He also said “it significantly reduces serious illness, hospitalisation and death”.” https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126928364/aviation-workers-fight-against-compulsory-covid-vaccination-dismissed-by-high-court
    
    It is not, never has been and, I sincerely hope, never will be within the powers of a judge to make a judgement based on anything but his opinion of THE LAW.
    
    And the Law is clear:
    
    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990:
    Section 10, “Right not to be subjected to medical or scientific experimentation”
    Every person has the right not to be subjected to medical or scientific experimentation without that person’s consent.
    
    Section 11, “Right to refuse to undergo medical treatment”
    Everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment.
    
    International Law is clear:
    The Nuremburg Code Article 6, Section 1:
    Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention should only be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, on the basis of adequate information. Consent shall, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason, without disadvantage or prejudice.
    Article 6, Section 3:
    In no case shall a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for the informed consent of an individual.
    
    The sophists who claim Nuremburg applies only to experimental medicine are wrong both on the Law and on the particulars. Article 6, section 3 is directly applicable and the statement issued by Dr. Eric Rubin, a voting member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advisory committee (which I assume is considered authoritative by our Government): “We’re never gonna learn about how safe the vaccine is until we start giving it,” is evidence that the so-called “vaccines” are indeed experimental.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This grovelment is no respecter of laws and expect their enforcers to do their will too.
      A political mafioso?
      
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      November 10, 2021 3:09pm
  - MCos
    
    Pfizer vaccine has no history of causing blood clots according to Medsafe.
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/safety/Alerts/COVID-19-vaccine-blood-clots.asp
    AstraZenaca is another matter.
    Blood clots have been reported in Novavax trials, but they are rare.
    https://wdet.org/posts/2021/06/18/91090-novavax-says-its-covid-19-vaccine-prevents-moderate-to-severe-infections/
    You’re far more likely to get blood clots from covid-19 than these vaccines, so I suppose it’s a matter of rolling the dice.
    At the end of the day there’s probably a far greater chance of getting a clot in everyday living.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think it is becoming pretty clear to folks outside of NZ that the Pfizer jabs are failing to control the pandemic in their countries.
      
      Perhaps the Novovax / protein-based vaccines won’t be a “golden ticket” to freedom either, but they may well be a better alternative for folks with blood circulation problems.
      
      How protein-based COVID vaccines could change the pandemic
      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03025-0
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:44am
      - MCos
        
        “Pretty clear”
        
        No country has successfully wiped out covid-19 by way of a magic bullet bullet vaccine & nobody is expecting NZ to be the first with that which is currently available.
        Maybe someday something will come up.
        In the meantime suggestions range from doing absolutely nothing to neverending draconian lockdowns.
        Take your pick.
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:57pm
    - Fletch
      
      Except I know for a fact that the Year 3 student from St Mary’s who died had blood clots in her legs. She was perfectly healthy before the shots. What’s more, we know how the vaccine does it. It gets into circulation and starts producing the spike protein in cells it shouldn’t such at the endothelial cells that line the arteries. The white blood or T cells then end up attacking those cells which results in clotting. It’s science.
      
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      November 10, 2021 11:58am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        That is being reported world wide and the suppliers take no responsibility for their killing product.
        
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        November 10, 2021 3:12pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Medsafe simply cannot be trusted. Although Moderna has been more in the news about clotting issues and heart problems, Pfizer’s vaccine has very similar issues.
      
      And outside specific syndromes and diseases, blood clots aren’t that common. Covid can cause clotting and related issues, it is, after all, a virus that infects cells that are key to the vascular system.
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:32pm
    - sharont
      
      Medsafe reports serious side effects of 187 instances of blood clots to 23 October :
      
      Thrombosis 37
      Embolism 76
      Deep vein thrombosis (DVT) 67
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-34.asp
      
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      November 10, 2021 6:33pm
  - bronny1
    
    It’s gonna be a sh*tshow. My sister in law and two in her (science) department are out next week.she’s looking forward to some time off, the re-education they are trying to provide will not sway her.
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:29am
- Fletch
  
  Add to that fluoridation now, which is being taken away from local councils.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:56am
westernScientest

Stuff are just tying themselves in knots trying to rag on yesterdays protest in wellington. Apparently “Let’s Go Brandon” is a far-right “Q” conspiracy theory. the Eureka flag is white supremacist, it (the protest) had elements of aspects of white nationalism and Maori nationalism. Which must be really confusing for the editors, because Maori nationalism = good, any other nationalism = bad.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126936847/protesters-threaten-gridlock-in-all-main-cities-if-mandates-not-dropped

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126936813/covid19-parliamentary-protest-of-those-who-feel-unheard-will-just-be-ignored

But of course the important thing is that Cindy says no one cares.
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November 10, 2021 8:15am
cmm

It’s been a long time coming, but the wheels are really falling off the bus in South Africa right now.

While there are numerous problems, the biggest and most obvious is that Eskom, their power provider, is not keeping the lights on.

They are currently at “Stage 4” load shedding which means there theoretically 6 hours per day average of rolling black outs. But that could be more on a specific day. Today (their time) the Johannesburg CBD was without power from 12 to 2.30. So stay late to make up lost time? Nope, not really, more load shedding from 8pm to 10.30 pm – a total of 7.5 hours of power outages today.

So far, South Africa has had a total of over 1000 hours (42 days) of various levels of load shedding. There is no end in sight and they are quite likely to hit 1500 hours (60 days) of load shedding this year and things are likely to get worse.

So how have they got into this position? In a word: maintenance. More precisely: lack of.
If you want another word: corruption.
And another: green fraud. (Ok, that’s two words).

The old coal fleet that is keeping them going is around 40 years old and has been poorly maintained and driven far harder than it should. This is leading to huge breakdowns.

The two new power stations that were started in 2007 and should have been completed in 2014 are still not fully commissioned and are less reliable than the older units they were supposed to be replacing. Massive cost overruns have seen these white elephants costing more than 5x what they were supposed to cost.

And are they going to sort this problem out? Nope. They keep on making noises about building massive solar farms instead (gotta be seen to be green in front of their UN luvvies). There is no solution doing this.

As a person who once worked in Eskom generation planning I am actually quite surprised they have lasted this long with such poor maintenance regimes. But now they’re at a stage where they are robbing Peter to pay Paul – for example running OCGT generators to fill pump storage – absolutely unheard of even 5 years ago.

There are some lessons in this for NZ:
* A robust electrical supply providing low cost energy is critical to the economy and life.
* Address problems before it is too late. Don’t wait for grid failures to start. You need to be a decade ahead of the curve.
* New technologies are interesting, but don’t bet on them. Do experiments first. Keep using the reliable tech.
* Upgrade the grid before you need it, not after it fails. The NZ inter-island link is one of the week spots.
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November 10, 2021 8:19am
- Raphael
  
  My cousin and her husband (SA dairy farmers) have had only 3 hours of electricity today and been burning through the diesel to keep the generators for the milking shed going.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:24am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, how can you sustain a business on anything like that?
    
    Even if they are not getting load shedding from Eskom there are numerous other issues too.
    
    Eskom is only flipping big switches at the grid level. This often causes further outages when the substations and lower down are switched on again.
    
    When they switch on a substation after a 2.5 hour power outage, two major things happen:
    * Substation transformers have cooled down. Transformers are not supposed to be switched on or off often. They are designed to be turned of maybe two or three times a year – not three times a day. On top of this they are poorly maintained. When they are switched on again, it is common for them to fail – sometimes dramatically catching fire and exploding.
    * When the load connects again it is often very high due to hot water heaters all being on and cooled down a bit etc. This adds strain to the sub stations causing increased failures and increased power outages at the lower level.
    
    Thus the load shedding at the advertised “Stage 4” of 6 hours per day can easily become more by the time the customer sees it.
    
    Of course, as the “stages” increase, these problems are exacerbated.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:37am
    - alloytoo
      
      This was happening to Spoornet (Railways) in the mid 2000s.
      
      They used to do considerable preventative maintenance, replacing parts on the schedule.
      
      In 94/95 that schedule got thrown out the window as were some of the staff doing the maintenance.
      
      Then things started failing from lack of maintenance, and they lacked the skilled man power to fix it quickly.
      
      I doff my hat to the Engineers Eskom who built a grid that operated for almost 15 years without investment or preventative maintenance.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:14am
  - cmm
    
    PS: Massive diesel supply issues in SA too. There’s huge demand from Eskom buying up huge amounts for their OCGTs. Combine that with demands for trucking and people wanting it in there generators, something is going to give….
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:36am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, it’s pretty grim. We currently have Biden begging OPEC to increase their Petroleum output and OPEC are declining.
      Will the fuel shortage dethrone Biden and will his replacement open up the US’s self-sufficiency in Oil and Gas again or will the US come to a grinding halt?
      Don’t forget, we’re at the arse end of the world and Supply Chain dependant with our Oil and Gas industries either shut down or running down by Govt edict.
      You don’t need to be a brain surgeon to figure out the common denominator here: America, NZ and South Africa all have Govts desirous of being Socialist and the Arabs (OPEC) are in a position to prevent this.
      Who’s pulling their strings? IMO, fucking Banks (US, British and European).
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:08am
- Scott
  
  Another lesson for New Zealand – hire on merit, not on race. So many white people have lost their jobs because of race-based discrimination against them that they constitute an underclass living in parks under makeshift shelter.
  
  The black people who have had the keys to 1st world South Africa have struggled to run the nation. They have been complicit in allowing white farmers to be murdered or driven off the land.
  They have not been able to provide law and order so rioting and looting have become endemic.
  
  Now we find they can’t even keep the lights on. Maybe instead of discriminating against white people they should have made all hiring decisions on merit.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:43am
  - alloytoo
    
    Many South African companies started hiring on the basis of merit, ignoring race, in the late 80’s early 90’s simply to meet skills shortages.
    
    My Grandfather (who retired in ’76) hired a black clerical worker purely on the basis that he could read.
    
    30 years later that guy was a director of the company. He would seek out my Grandfather at events the company used to organise for it’s retirees.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:21am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, my father mainly employed non-white article clerks in Pietermaritzburg in the 1960s/70s.
      
      Experiences in Cape Town were always different than the rest of South Africa too.
      
      We had many coloured office workers etc in Cape Town – even in local government offices, police, hospitals etc. I was treated by non-white medical staff more than once.
      
      At University of CT we had multi-racial students – including in the halls of residence – and lecturers too. One of my lecturers was Indian, another was Xhosa. That was in the early 1980s.
      
      A lot came down to who was in control. For example, buses were controlled by the CT City Council and were multi-racial. Trains were controlled by the government railways and were segregated.
      
      Apartheid was an appalling system. It is destructive to all involved. There were no winners and losers – just varying degrees of losers. That is what makes it so awful to see shades of it emerging here.
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:06pm
  - Flossie
    
    My beautiful and blonde d-i-l recently resigned her clerical position with her DHB. No official race policy there of course but the preferential assigning of desk placement, and many other hard to specify anti behaviour from her supervisors and co-workers to her and her other light skinned colleagues all got too much.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:50am
- westernScientest
  
  How does Cape Town deal with this, are they having the same issues?
  On a more general note, why does the Cape Town area seem to cope a bit better than elsewhere with everything that is going on?
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    Cape Town is having supply issues too – it gets load shed just the same as everyone else.
    
    Cape Town has some of its own generators, but when the load shedding is done these are considered part of the common generation pool.
    
    Cape Town is different because it has always been different. Before and during apartheid it was different with far more lax apartheid laws etc. It was a bit of Europe stuck on the tip of Africa.
    
    Cape Town is very different mainly because there are fewer black people there meaning the voting patterns are different and the ANC are not running the place. Cape Town is mainly run by whites and coloureds and is far more based on ability rather than race.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:44am
    - westernScientest
      
      Interesting, thanks cmm, keep up the posts on what is happening in SA, its appreciated.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:30am
  - alloytoo
    
    Cape Town also has the benefit of Koeberg, a nuclear power generation plant.
    
    I stand to be corrected:
    
    I think that Koeberg can’t supply the entire demand for Cape Town, and the balance comes from the national grid.
    
    Koeberg has two reactors, one can be down for maintence, and the grid (under normal conditions) would fill the hole, but if both reactors are down then the distribution network doesn’t have the capacity to supply CT, even if generation capacity were there.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:27am
    - cmm
      
      “Cape Town also has the benefit of Koeberg”
      
      No, not really.
      
      While Koeberg is situated close to Cape Town, it is not owned and controlled by Cape Town. It is owned by Eskom and is thus managed as part of the national grid. There are also a few inconsequential Eskom-owned OCGTs in and around Cape Town. All up just over 2GW when it is running.
      
      AFAIK, the only generation that Cape Town owns is Steenbras Dam pumped storage which is only 180MW and is a pumped storage “battery” so it only stores power – doesn’t make it.
      
      You are entirely correct that all this generation located in and around Cape Town is nowhere near enough to power its needs and probably doesn’t even make up 50% of its needs – even when it is all running flat out. Last I checked, only half of Koeberg was running as one reactor was down for maintenance.
      
      Still, having local generation helps provide network stability as it reduces the amount of power that needs to be jacked through 1600km of wires from the old-Transvaal. It’s similar to what Huntley does for Auckland.
      
      This lack of local generation is one of the things that makes the Cape Exit succession very challenging – if not close to impossible. What’s the point of succession and trying to stabilize a region if you have to import power from a basket case state next door? Sure, there’s solar but building enough solar to provide 5GW of power is a huge expense.
      
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      November 10, 2021 3:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks cmm for a preview of what’s going to happen here.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:49am
  - cmm
    
    Hopefully not, but if we don’t plan ahead and pull our heads out of our “green” holes it will.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fully agreed. I may see the future but we live in the present.
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:15pm
Simon

“An Aucklander with Covid-19 who has confined herself to a caravan in her backyard feels scared for her health and abandoned by authorities”
The MOH said each day a health professional called to check in and ensure a person was well enough to isolate, was staying at home, and had the essentials they needed.”

Appalling and sounds like she might be heading to hospital.

Appalling because there is no early covid treatment advice for people who first test positive for the covid. Proven early covid treatment protocols to help keep people out of hospital. Instead its box ticking by jobsworths as the patient slowly suffers for a couple of weeks before heading into hospital.

How could you work as “health professional” and not give patients treatment advice to help them from being hospitalization. Is gubermint simply that shithouse?
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November 10, 2021 8:20am
- alloytoo
  
  “Is gubermint simply that shithouse?”
  
  Yes.
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:28am
- bronny1
  
  Yes.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:30am
- Ed Snack
  
  Add my voice to that, Yes, they and their “medical advisors” are indeed malignantly culpable. There are treatments that will help, but they apparently want people to suffer and the crisis not to end, so they will not authorise them.
  
  If we have a Royal Commission into Covid and the response, this HAS to be on the agenda, it has been a blatantly criminal neglect.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:59pm
Frank the tank

Anyone got Brenda’s itinerary for her big day out in Auckland today. Let me guess Dopey Derek, Big Jess, Toxic and the big dropkick from Stuffed will be her handpicked feckless entourage.

On another note. Our covid response reminds me of many a warriors game I have watched. Up by 24 points at the break against a bottom 4 team. Lose a man in the bin in the first 10 minutes of the second half, followed by sloppy defense and gifting of possession. 10 minutes to go all locked up 30-all.

Most often the warriors would lose from there and I suspect so will the Ardern government.
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November 10, 2021 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  Even Barely Sober has not been able to get her itinerary.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:28am
alex Masterley

The Prime Ministers visit today will be carefully managed.
She will meet cheerleaders and her fan club. She will be kept away from people who disagree with her or ask her ‘difficult”questions.
It will be nothing of substance and will be simply PR.
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November 10, 2021 8:22am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A text to Mike Hosking asked if anyone knew what time the PM was walking across Auckland Harbour today 😀
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:26am
  - doggone7
    
    Did he say it was a well worn path? John Key did it all the time. John Banks could have but he went by helicopter. Then promptly forgot that he did!
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:28am
- Frank the tank
  
  That said she will have to meet them at the time of the next election…….if of course she is still PM by then.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  Her whole administration has been a carefully managed PR exercise.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:33am
- cmm
  
  ” It will be nothing of substance and will be simply PR.”
  
  She is nothing of substance and is simply PR.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:47am
- Raphael
  
  “Aunty” (the NZ media’s term for 1984’s “Big Brother”) will be surrounded be carefully vetted adoring sycophants who will suitably swoon at being in her Glorious presence.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:49am
- ecco
  
  Auckland businesses haemorrhaging cash (especially hospo) and on the precipice, and the PM refuses to meet their representative Michael Barnett, Chamber of commerce head, who represents 5000 of these people. He knows their plight best of all. Surely he would be top of the list of people to meet. Wow. It’s blatant isn’t it?
  
  Will be interested to see which ‘business heads’ she’s meeting/using today. Will no doubt be people from companies with big government contracts…
  
  Barry Soper, accredited press corps, not advised either when and where Ardern will be today.
  
  WTF is this?
  
  I guess she’s just looking for some nice media clips for her UN CV application. MSM will be compliant with this today.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:50am
  - mawm
    
    She has driven hospo into the ground. I hope that they decide not to police her mandates to exclude the deplorables. They could use every penny they can get including that from the 10% +.
    
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    November 10, 2021 1:33pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Something very interesting happened today.
    
    TVNZ reported on her imperial majesty’s visit, but included some rather scathing comments from the owner of the firm.
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/10/mixed-response-to-jacinda-arderns-auckland-visit/
    
    “They’re only here because they can be followed around [by media] and seen to be doing the right thing,” Thornton said.
    
    “Otherwise to be honest the Government would have been in Auckland weeks ago.”
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:05pm
Mike

Happy World Keratoconus Day!
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November 10, 2021 8:22am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  it has to be a VERY sick mind that finds anything happy about that inherited condition – and yes I am playing the messenger!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:47am
I remember when

Speaker Trevor, resplendent in his cycling attire, being asked if he had heard anything about guns in relation to the lockdown protest.
He said, looking the part, that it “wouldn’t be appropriate to say anything about intelligence…..”
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November 10, 2021 8:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Mallard the MAMIL – pass me a bucket!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    He is not a MAMIL.
    
    He is a VOMIT (Very Old Man In Tights)
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems Mr Mallard exposed his lack of knowledge of English grammar and idiom yesterday:
  
  Hon Todd McClay: Does he still believe that less than a handful of cases were transmitted in retail settings, and, if so, why have Auckland retail businesses not been allowed to open sooner—
  
  SPEAKER: Fewer—fewer than a handful.
  
  Hon Todd McClay: Pardon me?
  
  SPEAKER: Fewer than a handful.
  
  Hon Todd McClay: Can I start again?
  
  SPEAKER: Yeah, start again. Yes.
  
  Hon Todd McClay: Does he still believe that less than a handful of cases were—[Laughter from members]
  
  SPEAKER: Just go. It’s all right; just keep going—keep going.
  
  The fact is… the Phrase “less than a handful” is correct usage as a handful is a measure of something (a volume, an amount, a quantity) and is not being used as a countable noun.
  
  Worse…. Todd McLay had to later point out that his use of “less than a handful” was a direct quote from the Minister of Finance:
  
  Hon Todd McClay: Point of order, Mr Speaker. In my second supplementary, you went to correct me. I just want to make it clear that the “less than a handful of cases” was a quote from the Minister; not mine.
  
  SPEAKER: The only thing I’ll say is that I’m pleased I wasn’t the Minister of Education responsible for his language!
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:50am
- Paulus
  
  What would Mallard know about intelligence – he has none anyway.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:29am
- Lee C
  
  I’m not sure Mallard has any insights to offer either way.
  
  About intelligence, I mean.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:33am
Sacha

I watched this again last night – the first time I watched it a few months ago, I found it interesting, but with the hindsight of our recent political experience at this viewing I was filled with a sort of dread. I am old enough to remember as a child, the post WW2 exposures of the Nazi regime, and the clumsiness of the Soviets. Both brutal and destructive to their citizens.
This discussion, hosted by Dr Reiner Fuellmich with Professor Mattias Desmet of Ghent University in Belgium. Professor of Psychology, and studying the Mass Psychology of the Covid pandemic.
Well worth spending the time to watch the complete programme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5bo_KFqgo
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November 10, 2021 8:28am
Frank the tank

https://unherd.com/2021/11/how-sweden-swerved-covid-disaster/

An interesting read.
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November 10, 2021 8:28am
k1w1

General question: Are all posts moderated before appearing or does one need to post 5000x before the gates are opened?
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November 10, 2021 8:29am
- Raphael
  
  If you give DPF your real name, you will get permission to post without going into the mod queue. This doesn’t get made public to the rest of the members.
  email: [email protected]
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    No quite. Just volunteering your identity isn’t enough. I believe DPF looks for long time posters who have contributed constructively.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:11am
    - k1w1
      
      That sounds like a very poor way to encourage comment and page views. And more controlling than Cindy. Oh well.
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:28am
      - peterwn
        
        But if Jacinda botches it up, the taxpayer pays. If someone posting on Kiwiblog botches it up and attracts attention from some disgruntled party, DPF has to meet any costs and expenses out of his own pocket (and it can still cost big even if he is vindicated). Big difference.
        Remember that Cam Slater had to declare bankruptcy (and suffer stress related health issues) with respect to Whaleoil, so it is within the realms of possibility (though highly unlikely) that DPF could suffer a similar fate. But he still needs to be careful, hence his moderation policy.
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think DPF ran a very open and unmoderated blog for years.
        It became corrupted and abused by anonymous trolls.
        
        As one of the victims of unmoderated abuse on this blog, I can assure you that there are a group of people who are intent on closing down this blog as well as some of the folks who comment here.
        
        Just another version of the “Tragedy of the Commons”.
        Some folks can’t function in an open-access world; they need to spray their shit around.
        
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        November 10, 2021 10:57am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Page views is a vanity metric used by ambitious blogger novices. DPF has curated a high quality discussion forum as a result of years of hard work. Page views are a trailing indicator.
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:34am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Maggy, yes that sustained trolling of you was nasty. You held your head high despite the attacks. Kudos.
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:36am
    - Colville
      
      which is why I still get moderated !! 🙂
      
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      November 10, 2021 9:33am
  - kevn
    
    @Raphael… I tried that. Maybe I will try again…
    Sometimes ones comments get lost in the traffic while being modded.
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:13am
    - Raphael
      
      It took me two goes to get it sorted (I think the first email got lost in the long grass) but I have had no issues since
      
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      November 10, 2021 1:08pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Sometimes, if the Mods think your post/comment is over the top or offensive, they delete it and that’s the last it’s heard of.
        
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        November 10, 2021 2:07pm
- peterwn
  
  The gates are generally opened if you post under your real name. I am not prepared to use my real name so the gates remain shut. It is DPF’s blog, he can be held liable for inappropriate posts, so he is entitled to make the rules.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:56am
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    Ditto.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:33am
- ecco
  
  I suggest you read the blog rules. Then you will know why a post might not have got accepted. I found sometimes they keep the post up but delete parts of it or sometimes they let a post through and then it gets deleted later in the day.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:08pm
Frank the tank

“But amid honestly held divergent views, darker agendas do exist. While the demonstrations were still under way, a report from The Disinformation Project – research conducted through the University of Auckland – reached an alarming finding that Covid-19 and vaccination are being used as a Trojan horse to infuse far-right ideologies into our society.”

Do you really trust Gav, the Pink haired lady and their mates to independently work out what is misinformation and what is not……..
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November 10, 2021 8:35am
- alloytoo
  
  As the old question goes, “Who Watches the Watchmen?”
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:34am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  This made me laugh out loud:
  
  “Professor of preventative medicine at Otago University Sue Crengle told the Hui that “whanau have to think about why these groups might be comfortable encouraging Māori, who are more at risk from COVID, not to get vaccinated”.
  
  Yeah, those racist White supremacists want to kill Maori by persuading them to remain unvaccinated. What planet are these people on?
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/fears-young-m-ori-being-targeted-by-white-supremacists-making-covid-19-vaccine-misinformation.html
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Pfizer CEO says people who spread misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines are criminals…. “and have cost millions of lives”

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1458100448649486354
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November 10, 2021 8:38am
- Raphael
  
  I bet they’re not happy with the British Medical Journal then?
  And what about their misinformation that they put out at first?
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:52am
- Diogenes
  
  I am genuinely curious to know what are the most common “misinformations” about the vaccines that are being spread? I see the word used continuously in the MSM, but have yet to see any descriptions, or a list of places where they are being disseminated. Or am I living in something of a cocoon? I would be very happy for someone with more knowledge of this than I to give a quick run-down in a posting. And I mean true misinformations, not genuine points for discussion that are passed off as such.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    The most common?
    
    That masks actually do anything.
    
    A mask to protect you from Covid better have it’s own oxygen supply.
    
    It is true that masks will screw with facial recognition software, so definitely wear them while protesting.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:36am
  - doggone7
    
    The hoary tales about getting the virus from walking past 5G towers may have drawn a laugh. Except from those who believe it. And microchips in the vaccine
    
    An Australian Department of Health page on their site indicates the level of misinformation needing to be addressed: “Is it true? Do COVID-19 vaccines contain a microchip or any kind of tracking technology?”
    
    “The Whole Truth on Covid-19 vaccines: Battling misinformation really matters”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126668452/the-whole-truth-on-covid19-vaccines-battling-misinformation-really-matters
    
    And an overview of misinformation/disinformation:
    
    https://cpb-ap-se2.wpmucdn.com/blogs.auckland.ac.nz/dist/d/75/files/2017/01/working-paper-disinformation.pdf
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:47am
    - alloytoo
      
      I recall a CEO of a wireless internet company who attended a meeting of locals who were complaining about their tower over health concerns.
      
      He listened politely to their concerns and asked if the symptoms they were experiencing were recent and ongoing.
      
      “Yes” they replied.
      
      He then advised them that the tower in question has been switched off for the past year.
      
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      November 10, 2021 12:13pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Ridiculous. Of course the vaccines don’t “contain a microchip or any kind of tracking technology” – that’s what your vaccine passport is for.
      
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      November 10, 2021 12:31pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Anything to keep the perception going.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:22am
- Ed Snack
  
  As the CEO of the drug company that paid the largest fine ($2.3B) for a criminal act, he rather has some nerve.
  
  And if he turns out that Pfizer has blocked the testing of or use of prophylactic treatments in order to make even more money from vaccines, then his legal problems should be only just beginning.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  People who make and sell “vaccines” that produce spike proteins and cause blood clots are themselves criminal. If they didn’t know what they were doing that is fraud and lack of a duty of care. Not to accept responsibility for extra high priced products that don’t conform to proper health standards is also criminal.
  
  Why does Pharmac allow such goings on? Did they get sidelined by MBIE or others?
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is Bouria referring to Jaspinda and her clowns?
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:11pm
RiP NZ

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/te-hap-o-ng-ti-wheke-mourns-loss-of-pouwhenua-smashed-to-pieces-in-lyttelton-christchurch.html

Once we allow the rule of law and standards of citizenship decline – these sorts of instances of vandalism occur. Note the jump to accusations of racism for the Lyttelton case with the underlying assumption the perpetrator is white.
Point is – same sort of vandalism is celebrated and supported on one hand, and decried on the other.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300080246/aucklands-colonialera-statues-could-be-removed-after-vandalism-protests#:~:text=The%20statue%20of%20Sir%20George,newsrooms%20by%20making%20a%20contribution.
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November 10, 2021 8:49am
piglady

Trying to find a partner with all this tyranny going down in NZ is near on impossible.
If there are any pro choice men in Taupo age range 58-62 could they please meet me at the I love Taupo sign at 10 on Saturday please.
I have my ivermectin stocks all ready if you also happen to be an anti vaxxer ?
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November 10, 2021 8:51am
- H. Upmann
  
  PL: Would you please confirm evidence of your Ivermectin supply with a suitable photograph.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:45am
  - piglady
    
    My doctor prescribed my Ivermectin brand name Stromectol quite some months back and before the media here jumped all over it.
    A person I know very well had been a patient of Professor Barody in Australia a couple of years ago and when I heard Leighton Smiths podcast with Barody I approached my doctor to get it.
    ?
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:02pm
- Taieri
  
  What about the other prophylactics? BYO?;)))
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh piglady,
  you forgot to request that they bring all their latest bank statements with them for your viewing.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:01am
  - piglady
    
    Maggy I don’t need their money. Be nice just to meet a decent man that has a brain between their ears and can think critically.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There is only one, and I am taken sorry
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:13pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Counts my partner out 😀
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:31pm
Truman lodge

National party are acting like Cindy’s controlled opposition..
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November 10, 2021 8:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  Staggering isn’t it?
  
  Spineless, with no principles they’ll die in a ditch over.
  
  Just flapping around in the focus group breeze.
  
  C’mon you tribals. See National for what it is. Fighting an media saturated, asymmetric political war with muskets and crossbows.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:24am
  - Reid
    
    And note ACT is behaving the same way.
    
    Never forget it. At the time NZ needs most a coherent vigorous opposition to every aspect of this covid management, the opposition is giving every sign of falling for childishly transparent propaganda like gullible fools, and in the process, betraying all of us.
    
    A few months of silence back in 2020 when the world knew nothing about this pandemic, was understandable. To remain silent all this time while it became utterly obvious from the overseas data that none of the stated positions made any sense whatsoever and WILL NOT WORK, means they’re either (a) idiots or (b) traitors.
    
    There is no third option.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:52am
nathie

So another 4 dead on a stretch of State Highway 1 that the previous National government planned to 4-lane upgrade but Labour cancelled the project as soon as they became govt in 2017 (then made some wishy-washy promises prior to the 2020 election “to do something in 10 years time”).
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-people-killed-in-serious-crash-south-of-levin/F2HBNARKXJXVLUP54U2WLAWSA4/

The stretch of road was notoriously dangerous, and the Automobile Association had called for it to be urgently replaced in February.

“We cannot forget this is among the most dangerous stretches of highway in New Zealand. In the previous two years there were six deaths and 17 people seriously injured from crashes on it,” AA spokesman Mike Noon told Stuff.

The call was prompted by two serious crashes near Ōhau in the previous two months, which Noon said highlighted just how important a new Ōtaki to Levin highway was, for both safety and to keep transport flowing.

The new highway wasn’t due to open until the end of the decade, but the AA urged the government to speed up the project.

Since then, there have been two more fatal crashes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300450062/multiple-people-killed-in-crash-on-state-highway-1-south-of-levin

Thanks for nothing Labour/Greens, for “stealing” taxpayer/motorist taxes to spend up on pet vanity projects like cycle lanes and expensive light-rail!
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November 10, 2021 9:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  My first thought on hearing that a van was involved was that it may have been a group returning from yesterday’s protest in Wellington.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:24am
  - hookerphil
    
    Yes, teachers – but then they are not representative of New Zealanders, apparently.
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:17am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Sadly Tony it was, I am a moderator on a Facebook forum and they were a group of teachers who had been there.
    I am the last one to say anyone caused a death in an accident but if the mandates had not been authorised they would have been in their classrooms yesterday. RIP
    
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    November 10, 2021 10:40am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      School employees; a teacher’s aide, a teacher and the school’s caretaker.
      
      May they all rest in peace; sincere condolences to all who knew and loved them.
      
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      November 10, 2021 12:17pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If they had left a couple of minutes earlier/later, stopped someplace for a coffee or a burger … driven a bit faster/slower …..
      
      So many possibilities.
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And if there wasn’t a mandate to be vaccinated by Monday 15th November 2021, they might never have made a visit to Parliament yesterday.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-no-jab-no-job-policy-kicks-in-on-november-15/ZBQMPFCQUOP24WOIMGUVSKA43E/
        
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        November 10, 2021 4:30pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You might be onto something there Tony.
    And judging by the flag in the grass they were Maori.
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:33am
  - bronny1
    
    Apparently a group of 4 teachers
    
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    November 10, 2021 11:39am
dime

““What we saw today was not a representative of the vast bulk of New Zealander’s.”

Stuff headline

“PM says protesters not representative of Aoterarororua” or whatever that hell its called.

They are just relentless with their push.

Trying to force their agenda on us is not journalism.

Anyway. Chomp is wrong.

There are many many people who have taken the double hot shot, like me, who are against this division in society.

Its just an extension of classic leftist identity politics. your vaccine is now your identity in this case. it is creepy as fuck.

disclosure – Dime would open up everything December 1st. if the streets end up looking like the aftermath of a WW1 battle, with dead anti-vaxxers everywhere. meh. ill take it.
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November 10, 2021 9:07am
70andstilllearning

Sounds like Hosking and Soper have the PM pretty well sussed! Wonder how she will be able to campaign for an election if she needs to go hide from those that don’t hold her views.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/barry-soper-pm-to-avoid-public-spaces-during-auckland-visit/
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November 10, 2021 9:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  Election you say? Assuming we following the highly-vaxxed = soaring-infections pattern seen in early vax rollout countries we will, leading up to election time, have a jolly fine casedemic. Queue lockdowns, further suspension of democratic processes etc.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:15am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    kk – have at times speculated here in the past that dearest PM (if still around) will find a way to avoid holding an election. Any excuse will do while she has the numbers in the House …….
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:28am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @still learning-
      The “testing the water” for that may have been the shifty attempt to hide, in the midst of Covid legislation, the proposal to grant power to the Labour Party to postpone the local body elections – at their will.
      Congratulations to the people who exposed that.
      If it had gone through, next step for these undemocratic socialists could have been to delay as long as possible the next general election.
      
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      November 10, 2021 10:11am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Indeed – thing that concerns me is that Min of Justice has his review currently going on. Now I’m no constitutional legal beagle but my understanding is that some electoral change matters need a parliamentary super majority to pass, others a simple majority. With the sentiment tide perhaps changing I’d be pretty concerned as to what may happen next, and if people disagree well it suddenly seems pretty easy to use “health orders” as a convenient go to tool to discourage overt population based political disagreement.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126930785/no-arrests-at-parliament-during-protest-police-to-consider-followup-enforcement-action
        
        “No arrests were made at a “largely peaceful” protest outside Parliament today, police said.”
        However, follow-up enforcement action will be considered by police in coming days, a spokesman said in a statement.”
        
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        November 10, 2021 11:17am
      - alloytoo
        
        “However, follow-up enforcement action will be considered by police in coming days, a spokesman said in a statement.””
        
        Remember to wear your masks people.
        
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        November 10, 2021 12:17pm
  - dcrane
    
    Indeed, if the EU can ban unvaccinated elected representatives from parliament, who knows what limits remain on the ability to abrogate democracy in the name of “safety”
    
    https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-covid-passport/
    
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    November 10, 2021 9:43am
Rusty

Does Jacinda not think that a number of these un vaccinated /anti-vaxxer protesters may have voted for her last year?

Furthermore she must know the un vaxxed are not breaking any laws of this country by not getting the jab.

Not a anti-vaxxer myself but this narrative that the un-vaxxed are somehow potential criminals and killers of their fellow Nzers is despicable for any govt who claim to be democratic and a defender of peoples civil liberties.
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November 10, 2021 9:13am
- k1w1
  
  I’d be willing to bet that 80%+ of those protesting were Labour voters. Cindy should be very worried.
  
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  November 10, 2021 9:55am
  - alloytoo
    
    They might well be hard core labour voters.
    
    I would suggest that centralists rarely protest.
    
    though these are extraordinary times.
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:19pm
- Fletch
  
  The term “anti-vaxxer” is too convenient a label and tossed around too easily by the media when many people are not ‘anti-vax’ – they are just anti this vax. It’s dishonest.
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:21pm
- Ehlana
  
  I don’t know that this government makes any claim to be believers in democracy or defenders of civil liberties Rusty. Have they ever actually said they are, that you know of?
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:56pm
Maggie Pie

Let’s be honest, there WERE a lot of protesters in Wellington yesterday that did get a wee bit carried away with themselves 🙁
SMH columnist Paul Sheehan wrote….’they need to drop the throat-slitting gesture during the Haka. It reminds people the Maoris (sic) once engaged in unspeakable conduct’

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1458159171795238917
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November 10, 2021 9:14am
kevn

@Maggie…. Might have been the Destiny Church crew. They seem especially keen on a show.
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November 10, 2021 9:27am
Surely Knott

“Global pandemic” This sounds terrifying, and out of the ordinary, but is it? And are we still in one?

After H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009, the outbreak had not been as bad as experts predicted leading to questions over whether the response had been disproportionately aggressive. The WHO was accused of hiding the names of the H1N1 advisory committee that declared the pandemic, conflicts of interest and over hyping the disease, and changing the definition of pandemic.

“Some have argued that not only was the definition changed, but that it was done to pave the way for declaring a pandemic.”

“Since 2003, the top of the WHO pandemic preparedness homepage has contained the following statement,” An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”

“However on 4 May 2009, scarcely one month before the H1N1pandemic was declared, the web page was altered …” The phrase “enormous numbers of deaths and illness had been removed and the revised web page simply read as follows, “An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.”

Global Pandemic is used today by media and govt to alarm us. But an official global pandemic is simply a widespread virus nothing to do with severity. I would also ask are we still in a global pandemic. If the WHO’s definition is that it is a new virus and the world is now in our second season of Covid after many waves.. It may have been a pandemic last year but Covid is no longer new.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC3127275/
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November 10, 2021 9:33am
kowtow

It’s not just Auckland that’s lock ed up .

Auckland is a prison within a prison , the whole country is locked up . Only special people get to come and go , with the gurnermunts permission .

New Zealand is a collection of islands , and archipelago …..

The Gulag Archipelago.
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November 10, 2021 9:48am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Where do you get this Auckland is locked up nonsense from. Have you even been here in the last 3 months?
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:32pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    No, I haven’t. I want to go there to meet with my son, and to help him move. But I cannot legally do so. Locked down is an excellent description, and locked off would be equally appropriate.
    
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    November 10, 2021 1:46pm
ecco

I predicted last week that Ardern would underwrite the Rhythm and Vines type events. What do you know? It’s done.

Ardern’s target market is the millenials and student vote. Couldn’t afford to p*ss them off or get under their skin by putting the kaibosh on these music festivals because of covid or because of any vaxx targets she’s set for Gisborne area.

I swear the Labour Party must read KB for policy ideas.
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November 10, 2021 9:55am
- sooty
  
  She’s just protecting her gig as celebrity DJ!
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:12pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    Sooty
    
    https://youtu.be/PMJ7bCX71YM
    
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    November 10, 2021 2:39pm
- cas
  
  So let me get this straight. Aucklanders whether vaxxed or just with a negative test will be allowed out of Auckland to travel to R and V and mingle on the way getting petrol, alcohol supplies etc with the low vaxxed Whakatane, Opotiki areas and then end up mingling in Gizzy with people with a low vax rate. How is this going to work?
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The PM’s fiance has had a close relationship with R&V since its inception.
  
  One such long term supporter is radio host Clarke Gayford who has MCed the event since its beginnings and thrown in his “2 cents worth” along the way. Gayford grew up in Gisborne and has enjoyed watching the event grow year on year.
  
  “I spent a whole lot of my childhood mucking about at Waiohika Estate,
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU0812/S00096/rhythm-vines-grows-up.htm
  
  Pure coincidence that this event is large enough to register for the underwritten insurance, I’m sure.
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:28pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m still wondering how they can run R&V over New Year, when Gisborne (Tairawhiti DHB) isn’t forecast to reach 90% double vaxxed until mid January.
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:35pm
Cobolt24

September 2017 average house price across the country was $666,000, now they’ve just reached $1 million
https://www.qv.co.nz/price-index/
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November 10, 2021 10:10am
- Paulus
  
  Easy to get house prices up – print money and throw it around in bucket loads like now.
  And no immigration.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:51pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    Proves its not supply but credit creation. When will my fellow right wingers understand this.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:05pm
  - ecco
    
    Immigration, when she does open up as we have no workers left, and also to pump gdp near the election, will send Auckland house prices through the roof. Again.
    
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    November 10, 2021 4:17pm
coge

Who among our political classes is offering to restore our Bill of Rights?
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November 10, 2021 10:18am
- mawm
  
  Certainly not our most libertarian party! What a shame that they’ll lose all those seats they gained last election.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:53pm
Ra Henare

Cheaper better batteries on the horizon!
CATL produce Teslas Batteries.
Sodium is cheap and plentiful

CATL claimed its first-generation sodium battery can be recharged to 80 per cent of capacity in 15 minutes at room temperature. At minus 20 degrees Celsius, it loses less than 10 per cent of the energy after it is fully charged, according to the company.

From South China Morning post(Hong Kong based)
cmp.com/business/companies/article/3152434/catls-ev-battery-breakthrough-holds-promise-cost-effective-game?module=perpetual_scroll&pgtype=article&campaign=3152434
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November 10, 2021 10:24am
- rangitoto
  
  Battery tech is gradually improving. Panasonic are making an improved Li Ion battery for Tesla with a larger cell size, cheaper manufacturing costs and no cobalt. Also good for more charge cycles and storage density. Supposedly will be used for some Tesla models next year once they ramp up production. Called the type 4680.
  
  https://techxplore.com/news/2021-10-panasonic-unveils-battery-high-end-tesla.html
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:29pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Batteries have gone from around 10billion 10 years ago to an expected 300billion in another 5 years. There is a huge ramp up in R&D that will inevitably lead to dramatic improvements in battery performance. Probably double their energy density in coming decade, and a chance of radical breakthroughs that take it far farther.
    
    Of course phone makers will continue to nobble battery sizes and ensure fast degradation to force you to buy a new phone every 3-4 years.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying……that in the entire 8 years John Key was Prime Minister, he can’t recall one occasion when Max walked in during a press-conference and interrupted his dad.
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November 10, 2021 10:26am
- ecco
  
  Ardern could have re recorded it without the kid interrupting. But didn’t, therefore it was intentional.
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Staged – pathetic attempt at publicity
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:27pm
igm

When is someone going to do something about the unemployable beneficiaries refusing to get vaccinated.
Why should workers and business owners paying taxes, support these unemployable leeches who are waiting to be paid for taking what decent people have taken in their stride for the survival of their families?
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November 10, 2021 10:35am
- Clownworld
  
  Breaking news…
  
  1. New freedom masks
  Ineffective unscientific masks now to be introduced for Year 4 children up at schools as part of the new freedom mandates.
  
  Physchological harm continues unabated.
  More physical sickness will occur due to overwearing masks.
  
  2. Stuffed news -Astra Zeneca now made available end Nov to the 100 to 200 people who medically cannot have Pfizer. People who need them for job. And to those wanting a non Mrna vaccine.
  
  3. Primary children only going back part time. School not cool still.
  
  All part of the kindness propaganda campaign.
  
  Once we get double vaccinated we will get freedom back? Yeah right.
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  It’s a good point. The government has mandated vaccination for many workers across New Zealand. It’s been done in the name of protecting the public and/or our health system.
  
  So why wouldn’t it be required for those who are looking for work (part of being prepared to take a job) or receiving benefits (to do their bit, as part of the team of 5 million, to protect the health system)?
  
  The government does believe what it’s telling the rest of us, doesn’t it?
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:32pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NO. It’s in controller mode. Commies running wild while they have the chance.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thing is once the commies start they will not stop. They just want more. Jaspinda Ardern – case closed.
      Just wish she would put the cuckoo back in the clock and bugger off overseas
      
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      November 10, 2021 4:32pm
kevn

@Maggie… Nor can I recall Mrs Key/English/Bridges being into media hogging and speaking about government policy.
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November 10, 2021 10:41am
Taieri

(…)National Party leader Judith Collins said her party supported compulsory vaccinations, where from “a health and safety risk assessment point of view that makes sense”, including border workers and in health and education.

“The issue with mandating is of course it can get people’s back up a bit, but look, 90 percent of the population in Auckland has now had at least one jab,” Collins told reporters at Parliament.

“That tells you that tells you there’s a lot of people who just want to get vaccinated.”(…)”

Bit of a contradiction from Judith Collins here; or is it simply the lack of any logic?…if “90% of the population in Auckland…” and “a lot of people…just want to get vaccinated” what is the point in making vaccinations compulsory?
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November 10, 2021 10:47am
- dcrane
  
  Seriously…how dishonest can they get, using the choice of people to vaccinate as a sign of agreement when many are being threatened with loss of jobs and civic life? If we put guns to their heads they’ll “agree” at even higher fractions!
  
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  November 10, 2021 12:31pm
- miltonF
  
  Yes, Judith has adopted a lot of “jacindaspeak” lately. Maybe they are sharing the same PR advisor…
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:56pm
BananaLlama

How many more millions will 1 Ewes receive in bailout funding to insult the taxpayers of the country?
People made their choice and decided to spend their money, viewing time, else where. Time for the luvvies to get off their work for the dole scheme and find a productive job like the rest of us.
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November 10, 2021 10:53am
Lee C

This from John Minto: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/11/10/genuine-valid-concerns-at-government-policies-masked-by-stereotypical-reporting/#comment-586837

I totally agree.
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November 10, 2021 11:14am
- alex Masterley
  
  I agree with John Minto’s sentiments as well.
  It is the first time that has happened.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:47am
  - alloytoo
    
    The end is then surely nigh?
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Likewise. Never thought I’d agree with anything Minto postulated on. I need a nice lie down.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:42pm
    - Nickc2
      
      John Minto eh? IMO, another speed bump on the road that is life.
      
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      November 10, 2021 3:52pm
Lee C

The Government has quietly retreated from ‘no-vax-no-teaching’ stance; deciding that non-vaxed teachers will not ‘be pitched out of their classrooms’ but will have to be tested weekly.

At least until January. And this will go beyond in my view.

Despite not being ‘representative of the huge bulk’ of New Zealanders, and a pompous dismissive media response, it appears the tiny numbers of wacky ‘anti-vaxers’ yesterday may have had some tiny impact, after all.

Go figure.

PS a massive shout out to the nurses and teachers unions who stabbed their members in the back and watched this totalitarian wet-dream unfold without a whimper.

Love your work guys.
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November 10, 2021 11:29am
- Lee C
  
  Unfortunately, this article has equally quietly been withdrawn. So as you were.
  
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  November 10, 2021 11:40am
  - Surely Knott
    
    My son’s teacher is not vaxxed and has said she will be doing testing.
    
    The schools have just advised that students will need to disclose their vax status (only covid vax status) as required by law. But how will that information be used and for what purpose?
    
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    November 10, 2021 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Weekly gets the inflated testing numbers way up – for propaganda.
  How many times do I say it? “CUNNING AS SHITHOUSE RATS”
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:51pm
westernScientest

Link to source?

Sorry, reply to Lee C above re-backdown on education vax mandate
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November 10, 2021 11:34am
- Lee C
  
  I don’t know if this will work ws.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10227312476416343&set=a.1107806134036
  
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  November 10, 2021 1:27pm
  - westernScientest
    
    Thanks, they are such weasels. in the link RNZ reported it as a quote from Chippie, does that mean he didnt say it and they made it up, or he did say it and then told them to remove it?
    
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    November 10, 2021 2:46pm
Truman lodge

Toby Manhire headline in the herald says protesters uncovers New ugly, dangerous side to our country.

Wow it wasn’t actually that bad. But again the media are pushing for Jacinda to become a Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow.
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November 10, 2021 12:15pm
Maggie Pie

Just in……’MOVEMBER’

This is sooo funny 😀

https://twitter.com/Loconz1/status/1458209390952022016
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November 10, 2021 12:41pm
Herodotus

To save listening to it in is totality 2:35-3:10 “and I promise we will be a party that governs for every New Zealander” “or people have lost the ability to see other peoples view… not who we are ”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-jacinda-ardern-vows-to-govern-for-every-new-zealander-in-victory-speech.html
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November 10, 2021 12:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  She can count me out of her inclusive 5M.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am still waiting for a reply from Jaspinda saying “You are now unsubscribed. Please take a quick survey to tell us why.
    Are we liars?
    Are we liars?
    Are we liars?
    All of the above”
    
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    November 10, 2021 4:55pm
sooty

Does Jacinda Ardern, the Dear Leader have blood on her hands requiring the teachers and support staff to be vaxed after a crash at Levin, kills three teachers and support staff after they attend a protest at parliament grounds!
The same could be said for the boy wonder Chris Hipkins!
They would have been supporting the protest in support of retaining their jobs, which were under threat!
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November 10, 2021 12:59pm
Leofric

As noted by others, Captain Coward sneaked into Auckland today for one or two carefully staged visits, and cravenly avoided anybody with any connection to hospitality and, most of all, the filthy public.

Could this ghastly woman be any more despicable? I’ve hated a number of politicians over the decades, but none with the incandescent intensity that I hate this one. And that seems to be what she’s done to us. I’m nowadays frequently encountering people who hate her wretched guts, stacked up on one side against all the fawning Jacinderites who propel her to fantastic victories in the preferred PM polls. Rather than “governing for all NZers” and leading the “team of 5 million”, she has divided us completely.
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November 10, 2021 1:10pm
- kevn
  
  @Leo… I wonder just what is the demographic of the arden fans? Someone said females 30-55.
  Could this be true?
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:33pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Very much so, but I know one who’s 84.
    
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    November 10, 2021 3:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think it is an older cohort 60 -80+, especially those folks who believe in “golden tickets” and fairy-tale princesses.
    
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    November 10, 2021 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Word is she sprayed and walked away.
  Oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma oma oma.
  Finally there is a light at the end of her tunnel – Auckland hates her guts is full steam ahead
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:59pm
Lee C

Yesterday, after the demonstration in Wellington, three teachers died in a vehicle accident going home.

Was it only a couple of years ago that many would have been aghast, and sympathetic about this tragedy?

Now, it is largely overlooked by the media, after all, who would want to make these deaths a focus of sympathetic outpouring.

Weren’t they after all, supporting the wrong narrative?.

Jacinda Ardern’s Government has turned us into a nation of heartless, spineless simpletons.

My sincere condolences to their bereaved, their school, their communities.

May their deaths not have been in vain.
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November 10, 2021 1:17pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Quite so Lee. I must confess to getting a lump in the throat when I read this earlier, referring to the school’s caretaker:
  
  The man’s wife wrote, “Oh my love, I will love and miss you forever. Taken doing something you truly believed in with all my support, my freedom fighter. Love you.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fatal-levin-crash-new-plymouth-school-mourns-staff-killed-in-collision/DOWG4K6FDHJ4CMTURTXVZJCDQY/
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:40pm
Surely Knott

Announced today: Reporting to change on the way we record covid deaths currently under guidelines any death where the person has a covid infection is recorded a an covid. These
will now be marked under investigation. Also today another person “dies suddenly” while isolating at home with Covid in Glen Eden. Also second day in a row where armed police are in Glen Eden. Any relation between the death and armed events? Who knows – but we are never any wiser after reading nz newspapers. Perhaps they could give us a few more details about the circumstances of all these deaths isolating at home. Certainly very weird. Also no note of his vaccination status or vax status of other home sudden deaths
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November 10, 2021 1:21pm
- Surely Knott
  
  And further to this. NZ Herald is now announcing that Homicide in New Lynn is covid positive. I presume this is the New Lynn covid sudden death that was recorded yesterday?
  And that appears to have been added to our positive covid death count which is now 32.
  
  Looks like we have a gang problem not a covid problem?
  
  MOH covid page defines deceased as “Includes all cases that died who were classified as an active case of COVID-19 at the time of death. In some of these cases, the underlying cause of death may have been unrelated to COVID-19.”
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:00pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Apologies. The street that is the covid persons place of death has been named and is different to either of the armed offenders street.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:25pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It would appear that the PM is desperate for NZ to cling to the title of least Covid deaths per capita. So whereas last year, anyone who died with Covid was considered a Covid death we’re now going through a rigorous process to ensure that as few people as possible are categorised as Covid victims.
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

And did you see where Peter and Fran have sold ‘WETA DIGITAL’ to an American tech outfit for a tad over $1.6 Billion.

Good on ya’ guys….great result!! 😎
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November 10, 2021 1:36pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s great news and will probably result in a massive jump in video game quality.
  
  Unity is one of the main game engines and this integration will almost certainly prove greater than what they two companies could do individually.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, great result for sure, but I can imagine Grant saying ‘gee we print that amount of money daily’. His money tree must be a sight to behold.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:55pm
- ecco
  
  Sheeesh!! ???
  Hope Wellington sees some of that dosh.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The $1.6B will stay in NZ right?
    $6K to the arts and the rest just evaporates.
    Wellington does not need that dosh, they have us, the Ratepayers and Taxpayers for fuck’s sake
    
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    November 10, 2021 5:06pm
bythesea

Does anyone understand what is going on with these “deaths at home while isolating”

From today’s briefing reported by RNZ
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At today’s Covid-19 briefing, Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield reported the sudden death of a man in his 60s who had Covid-19 and was isolating at a home in Glen Eden.

“The cause of his death will be determined by the coroner, including whether it may have been Covid-19 related.

“This is a sad reminder that Covid-19 is potentially very serious – and fatal – if you’re not vaccinated.”
<<<

WTF – I thought covid was a degradation of symptoms over days.
If this old guy had deteriorating symptoms where is the call around from the MOH – are they doing any follow up on a daily basis?

If no follow up why not – this is scandalous.

If he dies of something else (acute eg heart attack) why are they pretending its covid?

Is it just me or is this lies and negligence?
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November 10, 2021 1:44pm
- Fletch
  
  Same thing happening overseas. They tell them to take an aspirin and leave them alone when they should be giving then therapeutic drugs.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is negligence.
  
  The MOH has lost control of the numbers of folks in isolation.
  
  If you live alone, it is time to organise some back-up in case you become too sick to look after yourself.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:43pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    But are the meds available? They appear to have withdrawn supply of items that work so patients are left criminally alone to rot.
    
    Is that the new Hippocratic Oath in operation?
    
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    November 10, 2021 6:26pm
    - bronny1
      
      What items other than IVM are you referring to? Vit C, D3, zinc and quercetin are available. Presumably anti coagulants and corticosteroids steroids on rescription.
      What else?
      
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      November 10, 2021 8:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “This is a sad reminder that Covid-19 is potentially very serious – and fatal – if you’re not vaccinated.” — Bloomfield
  
  The lying implication is that Covid-19 is not fatal if you are vaccinated. Disgraceful.
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:29pm
  - bronny1
    
    Have they even said that this person who died was unvaxxed?
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:20pm
dime

OMG check out princess dress up in Auckland

HAHAHAHAHAHA

maybe shes headed to the cross? just wow.
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November 10, 2021 1:45pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Dime: link???
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:15pm
  - dime
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/Jb-u6RCB9IfIrAxuaMZzS4a7IbQ=/1440×960/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/TCOB6NCDNWBID3BVFNGYAM7H4Q.jpg
    
    front page has another one with the shit in her hair and PPE gear on lol
    
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    November 10, 2021 4:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Savage Dime. Thought adjustment police will be in contact soon.
      
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      November 10, 2021 5:18pm
- kevn
  
  @dime…. Like a halloween outfit with the (hide behind) budget mask.
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:39pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  She looks like the main character in the movie Midsommar, who becomes the queen of a pagan cult. So just like real life.
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:42pm
surfing

When a bank looks at their profits and say they are reasonable compared to the size of their balance sheet….. is the money the bank ‘borrows’ to ‘lend’ counted in their balance sheet?

I’m guessing so, but to me , this is misleading when looking at profits being reasonable or not.

But, I’m not an accountant so I don’t know what i’m talking about 🙂
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November 10, 2021 1:52pm
- dime
  
  yeah you’ll find it under liabilities.
  
  deposits and other borrowings and financial derivatives.
  
  I had a quick look at ANZ.
  
  Total Assets 978 bill. Liabilities 915 bill.
  
  If you go on shareholders equity.. 63 billion. 6 billion profit. 10%.
  
  seems right. they are still scum though
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:19pm
- Ehlana
  
  The Reserve Bank have a page to explain it: https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research-and-publications/videos/what-makes-up-your-banks-balance-sheet
  
  I think this bit will answer your questions:
  “A bank’s balance sheet is a snapshot of its finances at a certain point in time, and represents activities like making loans to households, businesses and, taking deposits.
  
  There are three main parts to a balance sheet: Assets, Liabilities and Equity. The ‘Balance’ in balance sheet refers to the fact that Assets must always equal the sum of liabilities and Equity.
  
  For most banks, loans to customers are the most common type of asset on their balance sheet. And deposits from households are usually the most common liability.
  
  Finally, banks have equity. Equity is the difference between a bank’s assets and its liabilities and represents the owner’s stake in the business. The most common forms of equity are ordinary shares, reserves and profit.”
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:59pm
Stu2

Just had a quick look at Counties Manukau, which the PM hoped would hit 90% double dose by the 29th.

The target between now and then is 43,648 second doses

The rolling 7 day second dose totals have been slowly dropping:

28/10 20,671 ie 20,671 between Oct 22 and Oct 28
29/10 19,596
30/10 18,700
31/10 18,632
1/11 19,462
2/11 18,504
3/11 17,646
4/11 16,656
5/11 15,658
6/11 15,202
7/11 14,778
8/11 14,447
9/11 14,058

If this trend continues CM will get very close but not quite there by the 29th. We may find out what the PM’s “pragmatic” means.

There could be effort to get the people with a first dose more than three weeks ago to turn out for another. There look to be about 27,000 of them.
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November 10, 2021 2:13pm
70andstilllearning

$tuff live can’t help but help the PM.

“In one day, she can’t visit everywhere in Auckland, but she’ll be back, and conversations with impacted groups will continue.
Ardern was asked why she hasn’t visited small businesses today. She repeated that she met with business representatives today, and that she’ll be back to met with others.
She added that she does have to be mindful of the restrictions, saying it’s different from a campaign trail for example. ”
Georgia Forrester

Strange comment! – can’t see anything she’s doing different today from most days since late 2017.
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November 10, 2021 2:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Try harder to look where she says.
  Word soup. Haw small is a small business? How large is a small business?
  The business rep she met today was prob Jethro, who still thinks he is getting an ELECTRIC UTE. Toyota one//
  End line, the PM is not very bright, those who vote for her are a silly not bright. But the bloody media make the idiots vote for the non bright ones.
  $110M thanks, just put it over there – we will take care of it
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:33pm
Libertarians are right

Rittenhouse update:

Pieces of trash caught trying to record the jury as they were getting on the bus. George Floyd’s nephew has already stated that he knows who they are and that they’d better give him the result he wants.

Defense Witness (because until now all the witnesses were supposed to be on the State’s side) admits that the Prosecutors tried to get him to change his statement.

ME (last witness for State) states that first kill was close and not an execution (which was one of the only plays the State had to get a conviction).

Yet another day of wins for the defense.

It’s worrying though because the Chauvin trial played out much the same way although this is definitely more clear cut.
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November 10, 2021 2:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How is our media going to portray the 4 victims of the Horowhenua crash, now?

Will the media now resile from portraying these protestors as right-wing nutters and produce an honest account of their real concerns?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-toby-manhire-the-protest-that-revealed-a-new-ugly-dangerous-side-to-nz/3YYMC2BYNK66WVXO6AYU4WMXLI/
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November 10, 2021 2:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, staff from a school in Taranaki I believe. That Toby is a paid Labour shrill and how anyone could equate the Capitol incident to yesterday belies belief. Little wonder that crowd was disgusted at the MSM attendance and made their feelings known.
  
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  November 10, 2021 2:52pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  JABCINDA:
  
  15 March 2019……… “They are us”
  
  9 November 2021…..”They are not us”
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:20pm
westernScientest

lol
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300450907/giant-effigy-of-the-pm-joins-protesters-at-governorgenerals-house

I like the speech bubble “I failed”, “Blame Maori, blame gangs, blame anti-vax, I’m perfect.”
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November 10, 2021 2:50pm
Truman lodge

The more we see from jacinda, the more we look like a 3rd world banana republic with staged media outings. Would not surprise if she is a DJ at R&V.

More important matters at hand is has tvnz or mediaworks bid to broadcast jacinda’s wedding? Or will spark or sky charge $39.95 on a ppv basis?

Can just imagine having a special guest panel an hour before the ceremony. David Hartnell and Jeremy Corbett along with kanoa Lloyd and Mike Williams. Who the guests will be and what will she wear? Perhaps six60 and op shop will play. And a set from Guy Williams mocking Judith Collins to rapture of the guests.
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November 10, 2021 2:50pm
ABS4EVA

In case anyone is unaware

The Other Communist Police State in Victoria Australia

Could not give and answer
IF or IF NOT

Their NEW POWERS
would allow them to suspend

Elections

That is the attention to detail and professional standard of people who endorse… and implement

MEDICAL MANDATES
and soon to be…

DICTATES

There has been more work put into legally
ring fencing Medical Mandates than

The Medicine itself
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November 10, 2021 3:13pm
Ed Snack

A quick query, if anyone on KB can help ?

I mentioned in a comment above how I want to travel to Auckland to pick up my son and bring him home. That is a permitted personal exemption on the travel restrictions, so i think we have that covered.

What I just cannot find out is whether I am allowed to stay in Auckland overnight while picking him up (and loading a trailer) as it is too far to drive both ways in a day. Does anyone know more about how this all works ? The existing website is deficient in detail, it says I can travel to retrieve him, but nothing much else. And the only apparent way to contact the government on this is via email, which has, according to them, a “10 working days response time”. Which, being government, means probably sometime next year !

If anyone knows more about these rules, any direction would be appreciated, or if anyone knows who might be contacted by phone or email with a reasonable response time ?

Thanks to anyone who has information, and sorry to have to revert to this, but there just don’t seem to be any contact points for queries.
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November 10, 2021 3:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ed, I can’t help you with that. But since you’re here, this was posted yesterday by ClanMcleod. Interested in your thoughts on the post.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/what-explains-rising-cases-among-the-vaccinated
  
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  November 10, 2021 3:36pm
- The Boss
  
  Ed, I know nothing about the rules, but can recall that a friend who lives in the Waikato had to see a specialist in Auckland. They told him they could arrange all the necessary papers for him to get through the border and back, but the only condition was he had to return the same day, i.e. no sleep over.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:18pm
- ecco
  
  If you can get into Auckland I doubt they will have time to track you down on your overnight stay. They might ask you though for a negative covid test within 72 hours of exiting Auckland. The PCR travel tests are coming back overnight with a text. I suggest making a test appointment at a local medical centre and then taking the test direct to Lab test afterwards.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:35pm
- artemisia
  
  If exemptions don’t allow sleepovers, can only suggest a motel near the border for an early start next day.
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:10pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Thanks to all those who replied.
    
    If anyone is interested, I contacted the police via their 105 non urgent number and was put onto a very helpful young lady who basically said that there’s no actual rule about overnight stays but that the police, unofficially, were much happier if people didn’t drive for 12 hours+ to avoid a stay over. So staying appears to be accepted though not clearly allowed for.
    
    Also I emailed the “Covid response team” who actually replied promptly. They also advised that overnight stays are OK if one cannot drive both ways safely. I do have to have a negative Covid test to exit Auckland, but as I will be there < 24 hours I will have to have one before I go in order to get the result back in time. Which seems particularly stupid but them's the rules.
    
    Otherwise, subject to all sorts of required documents and the like, it may be doable.
    
    Wonder when the process will get simpler.
    
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    November 11, 2021 2:11pm
Warren

It looks like Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister has more than vaccines to worry about and how will she describe the 80,000 signatures from a Natoinal party petition that have called for MIQ to be shut down,especially with 80,000 signatures in 6 days.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/09/response-to-nationals-petition-to-end-miq-extraordinary-collins/
What will the excuses be from a Prime Minister that is out of her depth and believes she can’t do anything wrong and her policy has saved New Zealand.
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November 10, 2021 3:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Warren, Jacinda will blissfully ignore these signatures. Socialists have this trait of just moving on when faced with opposition, ignoring questions as if they were meaningless. We have no mid term elections here unless some govt MP vacates a seat which is bloody unlikely.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:08pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Wow, 80,000! That is how many people Shaun Hendy predicted would die of the original Covid.
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And they still have not.
    Ohhhh Labour must want their votes, but we have not got that dead voter thing set up yet like the 40 years of fucking Democrats
    Working group working on this 24/7
    
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    November 10, 2021 5:39pm
Pheobe

One year into Labour’s three-year term as a majority government, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s honeymoon is coming to an end. The public now know the destination she is taking our country, and it is not where we want to go. Finally, we, the people, are saying enough is enough.
https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2021/11/nz-doesnt-love-you-any-more-jacinda.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR3klYkDGC08tChegficiJcdGYkAaZ0wijr7FGYxHB6UamykhyEF9RXSQtw
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November 10, 2021 4:14pm
cmm

Hoo boy! Someone got their to do list a bit jumbled up:

“A 45-year-old man has been arrested after he allegedly assaulted a police officer in north Canterbury.
…
The man was charged with failing to stop for police, aggravated wounding, offering to supply methamphetamine, and dangerous driving, he said.”

He got it all confused:
* Failing to stop isn’t really a crime any more, so we’ll let that slide. Dangerous driving too. Still, try work with a shorter list – you’re less likely to get confused.
* Supplying meth to some rando? Naah, mate! It was written out clearly for you but you got it wrong. You should have given the meth to the cop!
* And biffing the cop? Naah, should have biffed the random bod.

Next time get it right and you won’t get arrested!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300439137/man-arrested-after-allegedly-assaulting-police-officer
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November 10, 2021 4:18pm
lifesgood

Jacinda deigns to visit Auckland (WHERE HER ELECTORATE IS) today after steering clear through our pointless 3 months of brutal lockdown. What a farce! Only visits two carefully selected sites, one that hasn’t suffered at all through the lockdown. What an utter coward. If she thinks her visit will gain her any kudos she is greatly mistaken. If anything she has made matters much worse for herself. People here are spitting tacks.
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November 10, 2021 4:24pm
- Truman lodge
  
  Govt probably set up a film set in Wellington that looks like Auckland.
  
  She had some sort of crown on today. If nz had 95 percent unemployment the Polynesian voters would still worship..
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:46pm
  - westernScientest
    
    haha reminds me of this just utterly bizarre move by Bidens PR team
    
    https://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/fakewh2.jpg
    
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    November 10, 2021 7:14pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  It’s the comment ‘I’ll be coming back’ that really effs me off – what for Cindy? To save us? Damage is well and truly done as I see it – take your tilting head and background noddys and buzz off some country else
  
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  November 10, 2021 4:54pm
- graham
  
  And could someone *PLEASE* tell her …
  
  … the word is “been” – NOT “bin”.
  
  Next we’ll be hearing “jepradise” again. 🙁
  
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  November 10, 2021 7:30pm
ecco

Ardern trying to explain that she understands how it is in Auckland. Explaining is losing Jacinda.
Fortunately no one is swallowing these crocodile tears. What a gutless wonder, exemplified by that non event of a visit to Auckland. She could not honestly say that half day visit gave her insight into the intense suffering of the hospo industry in Auckland.
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November 10, 2021 4:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She don’t live here – lives in Wellywood. Owns property here. Wonder if she can beat the number of properties Helen owns?
  Socialism elite is just fucking wonderful
  
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  November 10, 2021 5:45pm
NoFax

Back in the good old days for the PM she would have visited Sylvia Park today. So many adoring fans waving and worshipping at her feet! Back then it was “oops, broke social distancing” but it’s ok because we all love her and wanted a hug and a selfie.

But alas, behind closed doors with “accredited” journalists from Team $55m and old left over Labour party member.
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November 10, 2021 5:09pm
Ehlana

So the Herald and Stuff both report that Mittens the cat is moving from Wellington to Auckland. And that Aucklanders flooded their newly opened shops.

Remember how the Prime Minister, the one who hasn’t been in the nation’s largest city for months now, was due to visit today? It was announced live to the nation on Monday, IIRC.

No headlines about that on either site.

Any one surprised? [vast silence] Any one?
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November 10, 2021 5:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Finding things on websites can be hard.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300450455/covid19-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-on-auckland-restrictions-jacinda-ardern-says
  
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  November 10, 2021 7:49pm
ABS4EVA

You should see the UNDERHAND
Dishonest BS from Employers and large
CORPORATES on the VACCINE Mandate
in NZ and AUS with the ASSISTANCE
of many in the Legal Profession

There is a reason why
Politicians should have nothing to do with

FORCED MEDICINE of ANY KIND

I am afraid you are going to find this out
in time the Hard Way

There has been ZERO consultation on
THIS ISSUE

in NZ or AUS

You might be RIGHT this time…..

But that is NOT THE POINT.
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November 10, 2021 6:05pm
- septic skeptic
  
  i WOULD take MORE notice OF your POSTS if YOU stopped capitalizing RANDOM words IN them.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:52pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    How about F**K OFF DICK HEAD or
    Be NICE TO ONE ANOTHER
    or KMA
    
    How does that sound take your pick and F OFF
    
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    November 11, 2021 12:17am
CAKE FACE1

The Labour government has now governed one year alone. It is interesting at this juncture to compare their performance against what the Nazis implemented in their first year governing alone in Nazi Germany in 1933.

In 1933, the Nazis implemented the following:

1. Boycott of Jewish shops and businesses
2. Laws for Reestablishment of the Civil Service – these barred Jews from holding civil service, university, and State positions.
3. Public burning of books written by Jews, political dissidents, and others not approved by the State.
4. Law stripping East European Jewish immigrants of German citizenship.

In 2021, how is Cindy doing, in comparison?

1. Laws for the boycott of unvaccinated shops and businesses – implemented.
2. Laws for the Reestablishment of the Civil Service – forbids the unvaccinated from holding certain civil service, university, and State positions.
3. Public burning or destruction of books or blogs written by unvaccinated, political dissidents, and others not approved by the State introduced.
4. Laws effectively stripping unvaccinated of full NZ citizenship brought in.

Mein Fuhrer Cindy has been as busy in 2021 as the National Socialists were in 1933!

What will next year bring?
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November 10, 2021 6:13pm
- westernScientest
  
  giving her to much credit there CAKE, Its a stretch to argue she has achieved many of those things, not to say shes not trying, just failing.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:14pm
Fletch

So the govt are now offering the AstraZeneca vaccine for anyone who can’t have or doesn’t want the Pfizer vaccine. But it’s just as bad!

In Australia they limited its use to the over 60s because of clotting issues. They really are clueless ?‍♂️
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November 10, 2021 6:15pm
Maggie Pie

One of my partner’s besties is ‘Senior Account Director’ with a top international Ad Agency.

He just txt to say…. “He would give his right-testicle to have Megan Woods as a client”
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November 10, 2021 6:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Megan Woods is very upset at the unprofessional behaviour of those naughty public servants.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/kainga-ora-hid-the-fact-it-was-using-labour-candidate-arena-williams-in-taxpayer-funded-advertising.html
  
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  November 10, 2021 7:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Totally OUTRAGEOUS waste of taxpayer funds!!
    
    Kainga Ora has a ‘rolling month-by-month contract’ with NZME for advertising services of $25 grand PER month! With nearly half-a-mill spent to date.
    
    Like my partner has often said…”oh for a piece of the pie”
    No one ever went broke contracting to a Labor government. LOL!!
    
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    November 10, 2021 7:40pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    No doubt those responsible will be promoted in due course
    
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    November 10, 2021 7:40pm
  - Mrs_Right
    
    The PM won’t be aware of anything as always, and it won’t be her place to discipline anybody about it.
    
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    November 10, 2021 8:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  I would give my left testicle if I could figure out where the surgeon disposed of it.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:09pm
westernScientest

F, we live in a strange world.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/11/courtdoc1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

R Kelly’s cell mate has released a comic of their time in prison together. Dude is in there for Jan 6 and then threatening AOC online or something. Its just weird.
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November 10, 2021 7:24pm
fernglas

Chris Hipkins wins an “About Time” award for stating the bleeding obvious; that Covid is here to stay and will be everywhere soon.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300451306/covid19-nz-chris-hipkins-says-government-wont-contain-virus-in-auckland-for-long-and-it-will-spread-through-nz-in-coming-months
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November 10, 2021 7:47pm
fernglas

Another Covid death Ashley?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300451032/new-lynn-homicide-man-senselessly-shot-dead-outside-motel-had-covid19
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November 10, 2021 7:49pm
- westernScientest
  
  depends if he was vaxed or not.
  
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  November 10, 2021 8:08pm
lazza

KB 10/11/21

“The great Kainga Ora cover up”

Wow this is bad!

So its OFFICIAL.

Our NZ Government is CORRUPT.

Oh and BTW … where the f*ck were the Auditors/and other Watchdogs ????
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November 10, 2021 8:14pm
septic skeptic

Cindy is very strict. I am sure she will haul Woods in and demand her resignation as soon as she gets back from Auckland.
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November 10, 2021 8:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh for goodness sake,
Andrew Little and his Lousy Government have had MONTHS to prepare..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/health-minister-andrew-little-admits-home-isolation-system-wasn-t-ready-for-current-number-of-covid-cases.html
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November 10, 2021 9:20pm
- septic skeptic
  
  This is much worse than I thought. ICU capacity is pitiful. Our hospital systems are already showing the strain at 1-200 diagnoses per day – and remember hospitalizations lag behind case numbers by a week or two. The back office functions – gold standard contact tracing and managing home isolation are falling over.
  I have heard an account of a Chinese family with Covid, who report crowded wards, staff unwilling to interact with patients and the attitude seems to be to move people out of hospital wherever possible. We already have 3 deaths at home that are possible covid deaths. People appear to be left to isolate at home with no theraputics and maybe not even basic monitoring equipment.
  Blofeld says everything is working well! I remember early on in the pandemic he was making similar claims about PPE.
  It appears that we have had 18 months of isolation and lockdowns but haven’t used that time to prepare – relying instead on 90+% vaccination being a silver bullet which will cover all these other deficiencies.
  
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  November 10, 2021 10:25pm
ecco

This is what you call fake news:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/126955404/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-bedtime-fail-goes-global-after-neve-interrupts-live-video

Has clearly been paid for and sent out by Ardern’s PR department to various overseas outlets, then the geotagging picking up you are from NZ and forcing you to read it. That’s one way of getting to the nz female voter base that frequent Daily Mail.
A similar article popped up on daily mail yesterday and the 500 comments were scathing and accurate in this being a PR stunt. (95% of the comments calling Ardern out for a load of things).

Today if you go to that DM article all the comments have been wiped by DM. You would only be able to do that with a spin department and paid advertorial arrangement.
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