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Warren

How politically neutral and in fact truthful is Stuffs Political Editor Luke Malpass with headlines like this.
“Ignore the knockers NZ’s in good shape ahead of the Covid spread”.
Well many would disagree with statements like this with our Hospitals and Health Ministry under staffed and getting worse by the day because of the mandate on vaccinations which is resulting in the loss of many staff and our economy is anything but in good shape with thosands of businesses going to the wall during this outbreak.
Then you have to look at the money our Finance Minister has borrowed that future Generations will asked to pay , so to say New Zealand is in good shape is bullshit ant dam right lies.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127035624/ignore-the-knockers-nzs-in-good-shape-ahead-of-covids-spread
If our country is to survive we need truthful and honest people to be part of it and this Government has wiped any trust and ability for our Country to survive with policies that will devide New Zealander’s for years to come.
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November 20, 2021 8:00am
- Colville
  
  Yip Stuff publish biased garbage like that then filter the comments so it appears that there is support for the “story”
  Just look at names that Collins or Seymour gets called that the mods let thru…but try calling Ardern by anything even slightly off and your comment wont make it onto screen. Also its obvious they have a list of pre approved commenters and they are all Labour apologists who manage to put up a dozen replies in minutes where any comment from off the list takes hours to be approved.
  But then Stuffed was purchased for $1. Says it al really.
  
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  November 20, 2021 12:42pm
- Alan1930
  
  “How politically neutral and in fact truthful is Stuffs Political Editor Luke Malpass”
  
  A damn site more neutral and truthful than you, apparantly.
  
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  November 20, 2021 7:16pm
krazykiwi

Wow. Austria has gone full bio dictatorship: –

This escalation reached its climax today: All of a sudden, the government has announced a “full lockdown” beginning on Monday for all of Austria, as well as a “fixed” general vaccine mandate from February 2022 (coincidentally corresponding to the end of flu season)1. This also means forced “boosters” for everyone who thought they were finished after the first two jabs.
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Now we have a “lockdown for the unvaccinated,” who are no longer allowed to enter various stores and public spaces and have to provide reasons to the police about why they are leaving their homes. Austrian police officers now demand Corona certificates from people walking in the backwoods of Upper Austria, and they patrol Viennese supermarkets to make sure that the unvaccinated pariahs are indeed buying only food, not toys (this is not a joke)
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In Vienna, the state has already embarked on the next stage of psychological terror, by removing the power to decide from the hands of the unvaccinated entirely, and booking “vaccine appointments” against their will.

All this is because the ‘vaccines’ do not work as promised, as this analysis from Germany shows so well. Are they more accelerant than fire hose? It’s looking that way.

Closer to home, I’m sure Ardern looks longingly at the unbridled power of these grown up tyrants, wondering how she might better them.

We should be concerned. Too many New Zealanders seem intent on complying their way out of this metastasizing tyranny when compliance, much like mass vaccination, makes things worse. Much, much worse.
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November 20, 2021 8:00am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  It concerns me the horrible nasty people who would give a medical procedure to people, knowing that they were only there under duress.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Didn’t an Austrian bring us WWII?
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:18am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Austrians are a nexus for world wars. First it was the murder of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria that kicked off The Great War, followed by the music and animal loving Hitler who managed to convince seemingly reasonable, intelligent Germans that Jews were unclean vermin. A bit like our own Obergruppenführer is attempting with the filthy unvaxxed.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:35am
    - Simon
      
      WW1 was bought about by the same type of crackpots currently in paraliment
      
      Home by Christmas has been replaced by get vaccinated.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      This image of another German should bring you comfort. Head of the EU winning an award for something being presented it by the CEO of Pfizer. Cosy. Notice the masks and social distancing.
      
      https://i2.wp.com/media.medias-presse.info/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/bourla-vonderleyen.png?ssl=1
      
      Oh, and they still won’t release the text messages between Ursula and the Pfizer boss from earlier in the year. Naughty, naughty.
      
      https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1513215/Ursula-von-der-leyen-covid-texts-pharmaceutical-company
      
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      November 20, 2021 10:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Hitler (Adolf Schicklgruber ) was an Austrian House Painter who became a German.
    
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    November 20, 2021 10:15am
    - Lance
      
      Nope
      He was a (mediocre) artist. He painted pictures, mainly of buildings and was therefore a painter.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:51pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    The Dispatch Runner Adolph was there the day
    Australians first went into Battle in WW1.
    They got within 50m of him.
    The Germans of the list Division wanted the Australian Wounded recovered – some were conversing with some Australian Wounded of German descent who spoke “Barossa German”
    
    IF they had got him?
    
    You tell me what would have changed?
    
    I would not be so fast to blame Germans or Austrians for your Actions
    
    Did you know the Austrian Greeting has its origins
    in Irish Gaelic
    
    If you people strived to live lives of peace as we Taught you originally – you would have less problems.
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:56am
    - Jack5
      
      Many or most of the Germans who settled in the Barossa Valley were Sorbs (not Serbs), a German minority of Slav origin, whose native language, Sorbian, is recognised as a minority language in Germany. It is related to Polish, Czech, and Slovak.
      
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      November 20, 2021 8:30pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Horrific. However, only those who haven’t been paying attention could be surprised though. It’s become impossible for any thinking person to continue to believe that the push for Covid vaccination has anything at all to do with your or the community’s health.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:21am
- raven
  
  We should be very concerned. Not only have Austria gone full spaz, but Germany have imposed restrictions on unvaxxed, and the UK have switched on visibility of booster jab proof in their NHS app for foreign travel:
  
  https://youtu.be/CFPjmGltC5s
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:31am
- Spoff
  
  Alexander Schallenberg was “Helicoptered in” –
  UK Column News – 19th November 2021
  Brian Gerrish, Patrick Henningsen and Alex Thomson with the latest news from the UK Column.
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-19th-november-2021
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:31am
- All_on_Red
  
  They’ll be putting them on trains to special ‘health’ camps next
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:33am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Bad saltire.
    
    My wife is Austrian, her grandfather was shot by the SS in Jan 1940 at Mauthausen for being a member of the Austrian Resistance.
    
    She is concerned nonetheless.
    
    Similar moves are happening in Germany in the Bunderstag, the Czech Republic and other EU countries. Even the European Court of Justice is accepting that it is constitutional for governments to mandate the compulsory ordering that citizens must be given Covid vaccines for the “greater good”.
    
    The real crimes though are governments forcing their citizens to take vaccines that aren’t much better than saline solution, while nig Pharma makes billions for their dud products.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      We thank your wife’s Grandfather for his service.
      Just like we thank my father who also fought in WW2, lost an arm and suffered from PTSD the rest of his life.
      Satire is satire. Get over it.
      
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      November 20, 2021 11:50am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Managed isolation reeducation camps for the infectious unclean unvaccinated.
    
    The beatings will continue until moral approves.
    
    It us only a very small minority of anti vaccine nut jobs.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:59am
  - Harriet
    
    All of history shows that if you are light on Grammar Nazis – then you will become strong on Jews.
    
    It’s all about being educated. 😎
    
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    November 20, 2021 10:37am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Yep the Nazis had a phrase which covered all abuses by the State: “Für Ihre Sicherheit”
    
    “It’s for your safety”
    
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    November 20, 2021 6:40pm
- John Pakes
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Looking at this example of your research, Krazy, of which you constantly boast, it would appear to be a pretty obscure source judging from the grammar and punctuation mistakes in it. Just another example of your echo chamber? Anything will do as long as it backs up your own pre-conceived view?
  I notice also your descent into Nazism. It does follow the trend in New Zealand where those on the loosing side of the vaccination debate are becoming more and more desperate and have to resort to abuse of this nature.
  Liking our Prime Minister to Nazi activities is just about as low as you can go.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Liking our MP to an evil communist is simply factual.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Likening… not Liking.
      https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/likening
      
      No need to repeat John Pakes errors.
      
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      November 20, 2021 1:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Dear John,
    if you have a nose for sniffing out grammatical mistakes, I wonder why you overlooked a couple of beauties in your 9:03 comment.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:12am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Apologies again for my mistakes with grammar. I am sure that they will persist as we move on in time.
      What I should have concentrated on is the boast of Krazykiwi as to the quality and intensity of his “research”. The post that he has linked us to appears to have been written by a El Gato Malo whose forte is something about cats.
      Should we ever trust his “research”?
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That link is to one of the best researched sites I’ve come across in the last year. There is a quirky writing style that permeates every post. Particularly the deliberate lack of capitals in the first word of any sentence.
        More to the point, you and those who still steadfastly support Ardern and her horrible handling of this thing are becoming desperate in your defence of her, and it is blindingly obvious for any rational thinker to see. You never address the content, always try to smear the source. Just like the NZ mainstream media actually.
        It’s a trait that is becoming widely recognised. Keep it up. You are actually helping others become aware of the realities of the dangers we are descending into.
        Oh, and comparisons to previous tyrannical regimes are fully justified. Ardern’s situation would be very similar to Germany circa 1932. Tyrannies rarely start with trains and gas. But they generally all start with propaganda, control of media, drafting of dangerous legislation, division of population and vilification and persecution of minorities. Sound familiar?
        
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        November 20, 2021 10:13am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pakes, better to trust MSM headlines? ?
        
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        November 20, 2021 12:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    It didn’t start with the gas chambers, John. It started with the state curating an ‘enemy’ and then supporting vilification, the jostling and the jeering. Only the willfully ignorant or sycophantically blind would fail to see early stage similarities. You could be one or the other of those. Or both, I suppose.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:14am
    - Reid
      
      Word of the day is:
      
      Anosognosia
      
      [Anosognosia is a lack of ability to perceive the realities of one’s own condition. It’s a person’s inability to accept that they have a condition that matches up with their symptoms or a formal diagnosis. ]
      
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      November 20, 2021 11:50am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      It started with forced sterilization of anybody deemed unworthy.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:03pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    A couple of points.
    
    I must have read hundreds of studies on COVID and the vaccines. In some cases fully and in some cases only the executive summary. I can confidently claim that the vaccines are not working as originally expected. Just to be clear, I was enthusiastically vaccinated.
    
    And of course the acts of this government cannot be compared to Nazi Germany.
    
    But it is valid to compare the methods and messages of this government to totalitarian regimes, including Nazi Germany.
    
    The most notorious was when the Prime Minister incredulity said of COVID “if you don’t hear it from the Government it is not the truth”. That could have come straight from Goebbels himself.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:15am
    - thirteenstars
      
      And if I recall my Shirer correctly, it was Goebbels who said, we don’t socialise the economy, we socialise the people.
      
      Hysterical, goose-stepping Nazi thugs they might have been, but possessed of an evil genius, too.
      
      And a very profound statement of strategy which modern authoritarians practise by default, hence the jealously guarded secular madrasas we know as public schools.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:31am
    - John Pakes
      
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      To a point agreed Benedict, but with the amount of BS that is floating around these days re Covid I am almost ready to accept that the only truth is what is coming from the Government. Almost.
      And you are far to polite when you say that we cannot be compared to Nazi Germany. Those who do are totally disgusting, and you could yourself have offered a stronger opinion.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        John Pakes, you regularly call BS on something but never actually explain why. Much like Adern, her mainstream media poodles and her bevy of experts who cry “disinformation!” at everything that is not complying with her narrative, but they never tell us what this “disinformation” is? Surely they should be helping educate us so we can be wary when we see it?
        
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        November 20, 2021 10:19am
      - Michael Johnston
        
        Obviously we are not like Nazi Germany, but you seem to be missing the point: When people start believing that the state is the ‘single source of truth’ we’re on a journey towards totalitarianism that is hard to turn back from. Key elements are in place: fear, a ‘leader’ with a saviour complex, a compliant media, a sub-population who can be marginalised and vilified and now, a means of close surveillance being promulgated in the name of keeping us safe. Totalitarianism doesn’t have to involve jackboots and death camps.
        
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        November 20, 2021 10:20am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The Nazis worked up to their ultimate horrors starting with stigmatizing the Jews. Obviously this Government has been stigmatising its anti-vax, anti-lockdown and anti-mandate opponents. If you don’t like the Nazi comparison what would you prefer?
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:06am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        The same has been done with smokers and drunk drivers, but no one suggested any likeness to Nazi germany over those.
        
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        November 20, 2021 2:47pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @F4NZ, probably wrong about the “nobody”. I’m sure Goebbels would approve of his methodology being employed by our state.
        
        Incidentally, does your name imply you disapprove its Aotearoa takeover,?
        
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        November 20, 2021 3:05pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Hi Alan, someone else suggested the Fight4Aotearoa alternative. Sounds a great idea, I am perfectly comfortable with reverting to the original name. Only drawback is it is hard enough to maintain the focus of the tin foil hat wearers without that glaring distraction.
        
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        November 20, 2021 3:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY I would say if you looked at Germany in 1932 we are in a very similar place. Add colour images, better marketing and PR. We always think of concentration camps and trains. That isn’t how Germany looked in ’32, the rest happened to the astonishment of the rest of the world at the time, and even today we ask how it could possibly have happened.
      History is for learning from. Those who don’t are destined to repeat it as the saying goes.
      
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      November 20, 2021 10:16am
    - Taieri
      
      I can confidently claim that the vaccines are not working as originally expected.
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      Perhaps they don’t, but…my mother-in-law, 79 refused to be vaccinated; got infected about two weeks ago, is now in quite a serious condition and using oxygen concentrator to maintain reasonable oxygen saturation. Not sure how things will develop there. She’s living with my sister-in-law, 61 who is vaccinated with Pfizer, but is also infected. More or less at the same time as her mother. Sister-in-law has almost no symptoms and functions normally. Both are at home (overseas) and subject to home quarantine.
      
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      November 20, 2021 10:20am
      - Reid
        
        Taieri, your mother in law is only suffering because they refuse to provide proven treatments such as HCQ or IVM.
        
        Out of interest, how recently was her sister-in-law vaxed? Just that for a short period you have monster immunity, then it wanes, hence the boosters. So one assumes she’s OK because of that. Her problem will be when we get a variant established here that escapes the vax-induced narrow spectrum immunity she temporarily has.
        
        Not to mention her vulnerability to all kinds of conditions as a result of a reduction in immune system function over the long term…
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Sorry to hear of that and I wish them both well and a speedy recovery. I am not criticising the points you are making but it is anecdotal. Also there is a significant age difference. If you look at the outcomes in age bands it clearly shows once you get over 70 the risk is getting up there. Over 80 is something like 14% risk of dying.
        It’s becoming clear there are many factors involved in outcomes for anyone becoming infected. Age, underlying conditions, obesity being the main danger factors.
        In your mother in law’s case there is almost no doubt she would have a better outcome if she were vaccinated. I’ve certainly never disputed that it helps those at highest risk.
        As per above, I hope it all goes well for them.
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:58am
      - R
        
        Perhaps they don’t, but…my mother-in-law, 79 refused to be vaccinated; got infected about two weeks ago, is now in quite a serious condition and using oxygen concentrator to maintain reasonable oxygen saturation
        
        Your mother-in-law could have caught the seasonal flu before needing oxygen. She could certainly die from the flu. The average life expectancy for females in NZ is 83.5 years (it’s 85 years in Australia), which means that many women die before, and in some cases well before, that age.
        
        https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/life-expectancy-continues-increase-australia
        
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        November 20, 2021 12:35pm
      - bronny1
        
        My 79 year old mother refuses to be vaxxed. But then she has never had a cold in her life let alone a flu so she will hopefully do ok. But a friends 72 yr old father, otherwise just as healthy, died a day after the vax. There are benefits and harms both ways.
        
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        November 20, 2021 12:46pm
      - Taieri
        
        Out of interest, how recently was her sister-in-law vaxed?
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        January 2021.
        
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        November 20, 2021 1:29pm
      - Taieri
        
        Your mother-in-law could have caught the seasonal flu before needing oxygen. She could certainly die from the flu.
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        She’s been tested and found positive for Covid-19.
        
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        November 20, 2021 1:30pm
    - rouppe
      
      Do you think Hitler’s Germany went from struggling under the versailles treaty reparations to carrying people off in cattle cars all in one go?
      
      Hitler became chancellor in 1933. The Warsaw ghetto was established in 1940. It took the best part of a decade for the holocaust to get to industrial scale.
      
      Ardern is well on her way
      
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      November 20, 2021 10:30am
      - Alwynn
        
        It may have taken years to reach its peak.
        However Hitler became Chancellor on 30 January 1933. The first concentration camps were opened in March 1933. It didn’t take them long to get started did it?
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:59am
      - rouppe
        
        @Alwynn no it didn’t.
        
        And neither has it with Ardern
        
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        November 20, 2021 4:59pm
    - rouppe
      
      Further to that, the Britannica description of fascism includes:
      
      Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.
      
      Militaristic nationalism: think “team of five million”, the implication being if you’re not with us then you’re against us, enforced by police action.
      
      Contempt for electoral democracy: they tried to introduce legislation to indefinitely postpone local elections. Fortunately they were exposed and that was stopped. My opinion is that action was a prelude, a test, to doing the same with national elections. No reason was ever given for proposing it.
      
      A belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites: we are being ruled by the mandarins in Wellington. We are having extraordinary restrictions placed on freedoms we took for granted barely 2 years ago. Maori control over health spending, water and local body politics is happening apace.
      
      The desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation: vaccine passports, limits on movement, stranding of nz citizens overseas, no jab no job. All individual interests that have been subordinated, ostensibly for the national good.
      
      If you can’t see fascism staring you in the face, you’re not looking.
      
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      November 20, 2021 10:54am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A detailed, informative article on making totalitarianism.
      
      http://journalpulp.com/2021/09/22/why-do-so-many-still-believe-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-clinical-psychology-at-ghent-university-belgium-gives-an-exceptionally-incisive-explanation/
      
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      November 20, 2021 1:45pm
    - Alan1930
      
      “I can confidently claim that the vaccines are not working as originally expected. ”
      
      Just one look at NZ stats confirm that the vaccine is doing a stellar job.
      
      As of yesterday – despite now being the vast majority of the country – only 18 fully immunised people IN TOTAL have been admitted to hospital following the recent outbreak. In contrast 354 non-fully immunised people have been hospitalised.
      
      It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers
      
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      November 20, 2021 7:24pm
  - Chris R
    
    Your last sentence ought to read: “Likening (NB your own error) our Prime Minister to Nazi activities is sadly very accurate.”
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:18am
  - Maggie's partner
    
    Looking at your surname, John Pakes, I have just noticed it is an anagram of Speak, which is pretty ironic, because I suspect for most of your life, all around you have asked you to shut the fuck up.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:30am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Now now Maggie’s partner, don’t be nasty to the poor boy.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:32pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      No, he is entitled to his point of view regardless of whether it is annoying or not, or you agree or not.
      
      This isn’t The Standard. Kiwiblog has to uphold free speech.
      
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      November 21, 2021 5:43pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t you mean “likening” John? If you’re going to criticise someone’s spelling and grammar, you need to make sure your own is spot on 😉
    
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    November 20, 2021 12:51pm
- R
  
  Both Austria and Germany have possibly the lowest vaccination rates in Europe. I’m guessing that’s because many people in both countries take the Nuremberg Code rather seriously. The Nuremberg Code came out of WWII where some doctors exploited their position and experimented on people who were not fully informed and therefore were unable to give genuine consent.
  
  Voluntary informed consent is one of the tenets of the Nuremberg Code. “This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.”
  
  The Pfizer vaccine doesn’t come close to satisfying this condition. Not being provided with relevant information (for example, the Health Ministry here was concerned about the vaccine’s safety in January 2021 but failed to informed the public; the Ministry also failed to disclose the trial results which showed a significantly higher incidence of Bells Palsy among those given the vaccine vis-a-vis those receiving the placebo), and the fact that one may well be sacked from one’s job if one doesn’t comply, are both serious violations of the Code.
  
  https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2011/04/BMJ_No_7070_Volume_313_The_Nuremberg_Code.pdf
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    [Once was enough. mod.]
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:43am
- dcrane
  
  There is concerning data of negative effectiveness for the vaccines after six months or so (roughly). Is it possible that this is because the vaccinated take more risks, believing themselves immune when they are not? The alternative is that the vaccines interfere with imunity somehow, but the first explanation is a simpler one.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:15am
  - Reid
    
    Those aren’t mutually exclusive dcrane. Both apply. The first issue is that for around six months or so you do have some kind of boosted immunity to a variant that has a spike protein variant which hasn’t yet mutated sufficiently to escape the immune system’s recognition of it. This is why vaxed people have low symptoms. The issue is, it also doesn’t prevent infection, which means that vaxed people wander round with covid but feel relatively normal, and because this means they go anywhere in society which lets them, this is why cases skyrocket as the vax takes hold in a population. What we are seeing here with our cases is exactly what we have seen in every other population which has rolled out the vax program under the flawed regime they have all been using, of which ours is but another example.
    
    There is emerging evidence long term damage to one’s immune system is done, but of course, its difficult to find these studies because of the propaganda mania insisting it’s “safe and effective.”
    
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    November 20, 2021 12:08pm
    - rouppe
      
      Can you link to that evidence since it’s so hard to find yet you must have read it?
      
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      November 20, 2021 5:15pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    How do you define “risks”?
    
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    November 20, 2021 1:33pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    The drop off in the immune response from vaccination in terms of infection rate, is now well known. The risky behaviour of the vaxxed has no bearing on this, it is simply a privilege of being vaxxed. Obviously the vaccine “interferes “ with the immunity system, that is how the immune response is generated.
    
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    November 20, 2021 4:11pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Whoever it was who said you cannot comply your way out of tyranny was onto something.
  
  I posted this late yesterday, it is astonishing information. FDA trying to suppress the safety data and vaccine trials information for 55 year. The implications are startling.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/if-the-data-is-not-validated-the
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:55am
  - John Pakes
    
    Hello to the McLeod Clan. Your reply to my post only has a report button under it so I will answer here.
    You claim that the link mentioned leads to one of the best researched sites that you have seen in the last year. If you wish to trust the research from a thing called El Gato Malo then do so, but I never will.
    I do not steadfastly support Jacinda Ardern. It may appear so, but if you consider my opposition to terms such as Nazi, Communist, Dictatorial, Traitor etc etc that are used in comments on this blog to support some very rediculous claims re covid, indicate my support of her then so be it.
    And New Zealand is no where near Germany of the 1930’s. You forget the one outstanding cause of the rise of Hitler, the stagnant and poverty guarantee that Germany was living under at the time.
    We are no where near that.
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      John Pakes, as I said in my reply to you, don’t dismiss the source unless you have made some effort to read it and rebut with logical discourse. You dismissed it because you saw a photo of a cat and perceived grammatical errors.
      I stand by what I said, the data presentation and analysis is outstanding. I cannot be always sure of the accuracy because I am not a scientist, but it is presented in a manner which I grasp. If someone can find fault and explain why I will read and acknowledge if it turns out to be accurate.
      I don’t oppose the current narrative for some perverse kick. I don’t oppose medical help just for fun. I’ve had every vax in my life including a tetanus booster a year ago after getting a fishing hook embedded in my leg. I’m not a “denier” of anything, but something about the whole covid story is rotten to the core. I know this as a fact. I don’t know what the real motives are but it is nothing to do with health.
      As for the Nazi comparison. I stand by it. The point made is that it’s a slippery slope to totalitarianism or tyranny and it always starts with the same themes as we are currently witnessing in NZ.
      
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      November 20, 2021 11:51am
    - Spoff
      
      “If you wish to trust the research from a thing called El Gato Malo ”
      It is indicative of your level of intellect that your trust appears to attach to names rather than reason.
      I do not know who or what “El Gato Malo” is and I do not care. But then I am capable of critiquing the logic and verifying the data upon which his/her conclusions depend – which is exactly what he/she intends.
      Time you checked your Depends:
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/Gav0O0CHbwR9/
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:27pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Pakes, IMHO one has to be dangerously naive to be leader of the international youth socialists (as late as 2009 no less). Enthusiastic and charismatic (to the naive, the young, and the dumb) maybe, but still very dangerous. I see no substantive evidence that dear leader doesn’t still fully endorse their thoroughly and repeatedly failed ideology and their agenda.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:43pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  The ONE RING of POWER
  
  There is a quiet effective VACCINE
  is is called
  
  NOVAVAX is is SHIPPING to
  
  INDONESIA soon
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:22am
artemisia

Kyle Rittenhouse acquitted on all counts. Mostly peaceful protests expected.
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November 20, 2021 8:01am
- lifesgood
  
  That is great news. Poor kid is all I can say.
  
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  November 20, 2021 12:40pm
Benedict Yu

Just recently discovered this. A 5 minute monologue by Jordan Peterson to a bunch of college students explaining to them why nobody is going to do anything about climate change.

Very entertaining ? if you want an uplifting start to your weekend. ??

https://youtu.be/lOfZgf-YecQ
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November 20, 2021 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  Love this. Letting Peterson speak to antsy youth is endlessly entertaining.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  You really have to laugh. Logic and facts presented to a bunch of college kids. They probably haven’t had that luxury before. Just think, Massey would almost certainly not let Peterson speak at their University.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:33am
- UkiWop
  
  The look of bewilderment of the student faces was priceless, I can imagine them thinking can we please have Greta, she’s so much more on our level of IQ
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:51am
  - Bluegrass
    
    The students have been indoctrinated. That’s what ‘educational’ madrassas do.
    
    This means that they, the students, have been dissuaded from exhibiting any intellectual curiosity in alternative theories, and accordingly any challenging viewpoint to their own is akin to saying that the sun sets in the east.
    
    I doubt that IQ is a significant factor.
    
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    November 20, 2021 1:44pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I read this priceless piece of educational claptrap today: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/schools-face-parents-who-want-ban-critical-race-theory-don-ncna1284185
      
      These are the professional morons “educating” children and the reason children’s educational attainments correlate with their parents rather than their teachers.
      
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      November 20, 2021 3:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot of confused, bewildered people in that audience.
  200 goals is not a plan, it is a wish list. How many working groups does NZ have atm?
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I know. It is gold. I have watched the video several times. I don’t think I’ll ever get sick of it ?
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:17am
- Sacha
  
  The faces of the youngsters !
  Thanks for revisiting this Benedict Yu.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:36am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sometimes my eyes glaze over listening to Peterson. He does sometimes rabbit on a bit. Then again he sometimes nails it big-time! And here I think he really does. He really is totally across the climate hysteria big-picture!. His Cathy Newman interview was also a killer!
  
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  November 20, 2021 12:46pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Total fucking nonsense.
  
  We are seeing already the catastrophic effects of manmade global warming with an increase in global mean surface temperature of 1.1K, and that’s with 93% extra energy going into the oceans.
  
  Uncertainty is going to make it any better.
  
  But you’re in the right place here: a bunch of nutters.
  
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  November 21, 2021 4:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Totally crazed cult rubbish Doc H.
    
    “Catastrophic effects” (floods, fires. intense storms, droughts, tidal storm surges etc etc ) have either not changed or the have reduced over the last century. Thanks to the resilience created by fossil fuel driven machines, deaths due to these events have fallen hugely.
    
    The hysteria is based on the infinitesimally small @200 years of temp records. And most of those records were concentrated in the USA and Europe. Most of the globe, for most of that 200 years, WAS NOT covered (the oceans even less).
    
    Nothing in the climate of the last 200 years is “unprecedented” if you look at the wide array of climate proxies across the globe (EG ice cores, lake bed samples, sea bed samples, tree rings and much much more). The last inter glacial period was warmer than the one we are in now. In the last interglacial there is strong evidence that there were long periods where the arctic was entirely ICE FREE. There were polar bears in that period and they survived just fine.
    
    That C02 is the direct control knob for the earth’s temperature ad infinitum is a flawed hypothesis. It is a hypothesis that is shot to pieces by “cancelled” and slandered eminent scientists (many of whom were appointed to the IPCC as lead experts but resigned after calling BS on the IPCC and their pushing of unscientific BS statements).
    
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    November 21, 2021 4:54pm
Yvette

Study Undercuts the Case for Vaccine Mandates
The study does stress that vaccination has a clear personal health benefit, drastically reducing the chance of serious illness or death once infected with COVID-19. Monday, November 1, 2021

The vaccines do appear to highly reduce the chance of hospitalization or death from COVID-19. That’s why I chose to take the COVID vaccine and have encouraged several people in my life who are at risk of COVID to do so. But the fact remains that the main benefit of COVID vaccination is personal, not societal.
This is why Stanford epidemiologist Jay Bhattacharya calls the development of these vaccines “a wonderful achievement” that has “protected so many people from severe outcomes of the disease,” but ultimately concludes that vaccination is a matter of personal health—not public health.
Bhattacharya and experts like him are right. As evidenced by “breakthrough cases” and research like this new study, COVID vaccines clearly do not prevent transmission of the virus. The main benefits are for individuals themselves. Proponents of big government mandates have no compelling case for overriding individual choice on fundamental questions of bodily autonomy.
https://fee.org/articles/stunning-new-study-undercuts-the-case-for-vaccine-mandates/

Jacinda?
Another commenter has already said this morning : Her solution involves running a regime of authoritarianism, ideology, fear, control, human cruelty, ineptitude and amateurish incompetence.
Just how valid are the Vaccine Mandates that are a part of that?

Journalists Brian Edwards, Joe Cote, Keith Aberdein, David Exel, Geoff Walker, or Dairne Shanahan would have asked Jacinda about this, but not Tova, or Jessica, or Jessica or Tova, nor Tova and then Jessica.
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November 20, 2021 8:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Wasn’t the eclipse last night great!
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November 20, 2021 8:01am
Bridgenag

Sent to me

PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING IN CARS AND DOORWAYS YET WE SPEND $600 MILLION ON MAORI LANGUAGE????

By Don Jacobs

Perhaps someone could help me out here …

I have it on various degrees of anecdotal evidence that 99.9% of 5 year olds rock on up to their first day at primary school … and pretty much the whole lot of them can speak English …

Now, I wonder who taught them?? … Whoever did this wasn’t instructed to do it, there was no letter from the ‘Ministry of English’ that arrived in the post on the day of your 0 year-old’s birth …

They weren’t forced into doing it, they weren’t compelled to do it … They weren’t coerced or bribed into doing it … they just did it for no apparent reason … and they didn’t charge the taxpayer a cent.

Imagine that – a whole country of such diversity of ethnicity, of South Africans, of Samoans, of Hindus, of Muslims, of English all getting up in the morning, from all parts of New Zealand, none of them in contact with each other, yet all working in tandem, all without any instruction from anyone, nor any involvement of government and not costing the taxpayer a cent …

And the product? Well, it is so astonishing that I am going to say it again … pretty much all five year olds that rock on up to primary school on their first day of can speak English.

Now, here’s another of those strangest of strange things. English isn’t even an official language of New Zealand. (There are only 2 official languages Maori and sign language.) So it continues to baffle me why all these people would teach their children a language that doesn’t even have any official standing in New Zealand …

Now here’s another odd thing … In 1984, $3 million of taxpayer money was spent on teaching Te Reo … by 2016 it was up to $260 million … and now it is heading towards $600 million … and you know what?? … there are less Maori speakers now than there were in 1984.

So now, here’s my point. Here we are in a country where people are sleeping in cars and in doorways … and we spend 600 million on Te Reo …

I’m no builder, but I reckon you could build a cheap house for about $250,000. For 600 million you could build 2,400 homes …

5 people in each home = 12,000 people housed..

EVERY BLOODY YEAR !!!!

In what right and just society do we allow this insanity to prevail ???
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November 20, 2021 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When my hubby turned up for his first day of primary school at Westend School, Palmerston North, he couldn’t speak or read a word of English.
  
  He had had 5 years of being spoken to in Russian and listening to German and Italian being spoken by the adults around him.
  
  But somehow he managed to cope and learn English (basically, by only speaking English in his home setting).
  
  My point: You learn your mother tongue before you reach school-age.
  
  If Māori failed to learn Te reo as children, it is because their family adults made a conscious decision not to speak to them in that language.
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Most of the adults cannot speak te reo themselves nor do they want to because of its obsolete nature, lack of words and conflict with using English.
    
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    November 20, 2021 2:01pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Slightly off-piste to the thrust of the topic in hand: I agree about the school age point, but comment that you can actually learn ‘mother tongues’ – plural – before school age.
    
    Kids do it automatically. They not so much learn, but absorb the language from the home/social environment.
    
    And by ‘mother tongue” I take it to mean fluency without accent (other than regional accent) and thinking/dreaming in the language(s).
    
    On that basis I would classify my mother tongues as English, German and Swedish, equally, having learned them from childhood [Swedish mother, American father, lived in Germany in my childhood years].
    
    However, it is possible to learn a language post-kid to the extent that you are quite fluent and without accent – although in my experience it depends on the language. For example, I can usually pick a non-native English-speaker, especially written, as English is a tricky language past the basics; I cannot as easily pick a non-native German speaker, as German is more precise; but I can usually pick a non-native Swedish speaker due to some crazy Swedish word pronunciations [the English equivilant of zis and dat].
    
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    November 20, 2021 2:37pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      late edit – //equivalent. Duh.
      
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      November 20, 2021 2:43pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    This!!! Especially the last two paragraphs. For all the current talk about Maori language as a taonga, it clearly was not a taonga when it was being lost.
    
    In societies with majority and minority languages, there is a greater payoff from mastering the majority language, even more so if it is an international language. Thus, in Canada, French mother-tongue speakers (about 20% of the population) are much more likely than English mother-tongue speakers to become bilingual, even though French is also an international language.
    
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    November 20, 2021 3:08pm
raven

Metlink have “scheduled maintenance” on their commuter train lines into town this weekend. Buses replace trains. Conveniently timed for the weekend protests in Wellington.

Check their timetables and allow for this if you’re heading into Wellington CBD for any reason.

They did this in Australia.
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November 20, 2021 8:07am
Vory v zakone

Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Byram Bridle tell the truth about the safety and efficacy of the COVID-19 jab. Meanwhile Grant Robertson has “SAFE AND EFFECTIVE” jab misinformation from the ‘Podium of the SINGLE SOURCE OF TRUTH’

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wqHQ52fkf3SX/

And here are some sources for injury and death numbers…

Europe, up to Oct 19, 2021
28,103 Deaths
2,637,525 Adverse events
European Medicines Agency (EudraVigilance)
Article:
https://bit.ly/3qAtCrR

UK, up to Nov 1, 2021
1,739 Deaths
1,252,679 Adverse events
UK Gov (MHRA Yellow Card Scheme)
UK Column:
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

U.S.A. up to Nov 14, 2021
18,461 Deaths
970,409 Adverse events
CDC (VAERS)
VAERS data base:
https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
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November 20, 2021 8:08am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127035624/ignore-the-knockers-nzs-in-good-shape-ahead-of-covids-spread

I see the Labour Party’s media welfare programme is kicking in again.
No one I know (in a fairly wide range on the political spectrum) would believe this.
Mr Malpass should get out more and not just rely on his media and political friends for constant justification and affirmation.
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November 20, 2021 8:08am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Goebbels would have been very impressed I am sure.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:11am
- Cinematic
  
  I think Luke has a bit of a crush. Has had for a while now.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:18am
krazykiwi

Excellent. Welsh Cinema Shut Down After Refusing to Impose Vaccine Passports Receives Over £34,000 in Donations in Less Than 24 Hours. This topic is near and dear to my heart as our very own trainee tyrant has promised a bio-apartheid here. How will our venue owners respond when health diktats compel them to breach our Bill of Rights Act?
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November 20, 2021 8:12am
- burt
  
  This is the way it should be, also any vaccinated people where it’s been more than 6 months since their last compliance must be immediately detained and force vaccinated. But we can’t stop there, anyone with children of any age not vaccinated needs to be readily identifiable (a bright yellow star worn on their chest will work well) so we know these people need to be avoided like the unclean unvaccinated.
  
  These are serious times and anyone who refuses to be up to date with their vaccinations, or associate in any way with the unvaccinated, must be completely banished from society.
  
  Oh, and remember, be kind and vote Labour – dividing us for our own safety.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I will be exiled from my office and my team come 1st December. No unvaxxed in the office. My colleague whom I sit adjacent to was ‘vaccinated’ very early, with the second jab 5 months ago. Apparently they are ‘safe’ while I am a ‘risk’
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:26am
    - burt
      
      I’m going to enjoy watching the triple vaxed turn on the double vaxed.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:48am
      - igm
        
        I have serious medical problems and had no option but to be vaccinated, just to make it easier to attend our GP, along with specialists.
        It still goes against the grain being forced into anything (especially by these insipid bastards), but the after effects of the second shot will definitely stop me from a third.
        
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        November 20, 2021 10:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t know. We shall see soon.
  
  Some events just won’t be practical. I see that the New Year’s Eve concert in Hagley Park has been cancelled. How do you check the smart phones of 10,000 people entering Hagley Park?
  
  The other thing that will be worrying a lot of cafes and bars is that they are not set up to check people as they walk in the door. Larger venues would need to employ someone to just do that.
  
  Also my vaccine pass has a QR code? What machine does the cafe need to scan it? If there is no verification, I can just do a screen shot of my pass and give it to my unvaccinated friend who will use a picture editor to install it on his phone. You think that won’t happen?
  
  The venues that will enforce the mandate are ones that build the vaccine pass into the ticketing process. Like Ticket Master etc. But they have lots of money and sophisticated systems. They will already be all over it.
  
  I know I have previously said that compliance will be high. But that will only happen if there are serious fines. Like 20,000 dollars or even shutting down venues.
  
  Unvaccinated people will certainly face difficulties going to hospitality venues. Their biggest problem will be uncertainty. They will never know when they will be refused entry which is not nice.
  
  The whole concept of vaccine passes is flawed for so many reasons. I commented yesterday that it will be totally lawful for a vaccinated servant to sit in a crowded government office in Wellington, next to an in an unvaccinated person. For 40 hours a week. Yet the law stops them sitting next to each other in a cafe for 30 minutes because it is too dangerous. ?
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:35am
  - Cinematic
    
    It was always the impracticality and general laziness of the populace that would defeat the passport.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:43am
  - Cassandra
    
    The cafe can ask for the pass at the counter. Person has already entered of course but no pass, no coffee.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:46am
  - Scott
    
    Benedict – I think what we are going to do in the meantime is have events for fully vaccinated people only. We are probably going to do a Christmas event here in the Wairarapa. There will be ticketing done through the venue and that will be available for those who are vaccinated and have the appropriate QR code or whatever it is.
    So people will rock on up on the day with their ticket and will be allowed admission.
    
    Personally I don’t like this vaccinated only business. But it is the only way to organise an event that abides by the law of the land as it will be in December.
    
    And quite frankly it is abide by the law of the land as prescribed by the government and have a Christmas event for hundreds of people. Or else do nothing for no one.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This gulliblement has imposed or is proposing to impose rules punishing people for not following their dictates in conflict with international agreements.
      They have no concept of the nature of law or justice, junior celebrityhood is their aim. They even miss that and have given away the health system to Maori control.
      Once we had a Govt now we have a treasonous mess.
      
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      November 20, 2021 2:10pm
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    I don’t think it will be much of an issue. If people really care so little about a policy of de facto forced vaccination that they will comply just to go to a shitty cafe, bar or concert venue, then they will be the only ones in attendance at these places. Anyone who is still unvaccinated now is fully aware of what is occurring and the implications of not having a pass, and thus probably couldn’t care less if they don’t mingle with the vaccinated herd.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    mrspdm and I are getting our vaccine passes laminated.
    
    We will not have them on our phones.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:13am
  - Leofric
    
    If this is the way it’s going then we might as well get used to never having any big events again, ever
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:28am
    - pdm
      
      So true Leo – hardly any crowd at the Waikato v Tasman Final.
      
      Why???
      
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      November 20, 2021 7:16pm
  - mawm
    
    A friend asked if you’d explain how to use picture editor on an iPhone.
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:10am
  - C-Town
    
    Most vaccinated people aren’t going to like the passport system either. After a while, the novelty will wear off and they’ll find having to carry around identification all the time and having to use their pass to get into places where previously they could just walk into. And shops and venues are going to be tired of having to enforce it and will just do so to avoid getting fined. vigilance will slip after a few months. Unvaccinated people aren’t much more of a risk to the vaccinated than other vaccinated are. The passport is less about health and more about punishing the non-compliant.
    
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    November 20, 2021 2:45pm
- I remember when
  
  In ;local Fish and chip shop last night sitting alone waiting for my order.
  Another customer comes in while I am waiting for my order.
  Maskless, places his order with the masked assistant, sits down then searches in his pocket and withdraws a mask.
  “Oops. I suppose I better put this on.”
  The problem in a nutshell.
  Suburban, probably have to wait ten minutes for police if they are held-up, why would they turn away business.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:54am
JibberJabber

Quite possibly Chris Bishops best tweet, to date…

https://twitter.com/cjsbishop/status/1461537472056160257

Something rotten in the State of Green?… ?
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November 20, 2021 8:12am
- Colville
  
  Norman is of course correct.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:02pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Twitter name: Christopher GET VACCINATED Bishop
  
  Idiot.
  
  This is the guy that hadn’t factored in natural immunity to Covid in National’s ‘response’ policy.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:44pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I did go to check out Bishop’s post. I have to say, when I saw that “GET VACCINATED” in his name I cringed. It certainly knocked him back a few points in my opinion of him. As did his email to me when I challenged his position on some aspects of covid, particularly pushing the jab into kids.
    He responded by listing all the current vaccines we stick in children. Didn’t respond when I pointed out that this isn’t a “vaccine” and that the others all had a minimum of 8 years of development.
    
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    November 21, 2021 4:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

It is good to see the Government is putting $10M into research for a vaccine to counter Rheumatic Fever

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2111/S00226/funding-for-vaccine-development-to-help-prevent-rheumatic-fever.htm

But when you consider the $$$$$Millions that have gone into the Covid blackhole just to “boost” vaccination numbers of Māori folk, then you see that Rheumatic fever (a deadly and debilitating disease of young underprivileged NZers) is very much a secondary consideration of this Government.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/2018686731/nz-s-heart-breaker-rheumatic-fever-rates-on-the-rise
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November 20, 2021 8:18am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Cool. Rheumatic fever passes to go with Covid passes, carbon emission passes, and oppressed minority ally passes. You know what, maybe just bang it all together a nifty app.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I believe the Chinese have a nifty app that ties in with the facial recognition technology. Maybe comrade Ardern has some inside knowledge?
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:16am
- Raphael
  
  Also you think of all the people shrieking “think of the Children” about needing teachers be fully vaccinated…. I think we have lost 1 child to C19 (the prem birth). How many children have we lost to domestic violence in the last month?
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:27am
  - pdm
    
    Good point – wasn’t Jacinda going to stop Domestic Violence as a priority?
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:15am
- artemisia
  
  There were some trials of New Zealand company BLIS probiotics a few years back, seemed to reduce the incidence of strep throat. Not sure what happened about that but could be worth another look.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:30am
- virtualmark
  
  I think you’ll find that $10m is all that’s needed for this stage of R&D. If that R&D phase is successful then there’ll have to be more spend, and if it reaches production there’ll be (much) more spend again.
  
  We’ve spent (or at least committed to spend) something like $800m on Covid vaccines. But that was to buy actual manufactured product, and enough of that product for 4x our population.
  
  So the two relative dollar amounts aren’t a reliable pointer to the priorities.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:45am
- Cassandra
  
  Why do this when Maori science has got it sorted, according to the Royal Society of Aotearoa, which equates the two and the Maori stuff ought to be so much cheaper? In fact, it’s no doubt already done and dusted.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have you discovered that they have farmed out a large part of the Health System to Tribe Waikato?
  
  What hope is their for any fruitful use of Public Monies?
  
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  November 20, 2021 2:13pm
Raphael

Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty of all charges.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-not-guilty-on-all-counts
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November 20, 2021 8:23am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Let the riots begin, then.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:28am
- Nickc2
  
  At last! I was beginning to think a mistrial would result.
  Has the rioting, burning and looting started yet?
  Geez, aren’t the Dems going to be pissed off. As for Biden pre-judging the case, it says more about the dark side of US Politics than their MSM could ever scribble.
  Are the Maori party sending a delegation to join the rioting?
  Oh, forget that, Hone’s on Road Block Duty.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:37am
- Fight4NZ
  
  Great. So we can turn up to the Domain with a gun?
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:46am
- All_on_Red
  
  Reaction quickly followed.
  Almost like they are trying to start more riots…
  https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/leftist-meltdown-over-rittenhouse-not-guilty-verdict/
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:46am
  - Raphael
    
    And they insist on calling Kyle’s assailants victims
    (with the not guilty verdict they are officially assailants as Kyle was defending himself. Kyle is officially the victim)
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:38am
- BananaLlama
  
  Leftoids wont learn their lesson they are already threatening more political violence.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:49am
- virtualmark
  
  I can understand that on the basis of the law, and the realities of jury rooms.
  
  But I can’t say any of the BLM/Kyle Rittenhouse story reflects well on anyone. Riots = bad. 17yo walking the streets with guns in a riot = bad.
  
  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:49am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its pretty widely established that the only way to deter Riots from starting is to show the overwhelming force which would be used if people rioted.
    Which didn’t happen at Kenosha. The NG wasn’t even called.
    The real lesson here is that if people see authorities wont protect them or their property, then they will do it themselves.
    Societies need rule of law to work.
    Besides it s very clear now this was a political prosecution.
    
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    November 20, 2021 12:01pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      More reaction here. Check out the inflammatory language being used.
      So I guess where we are at now is we wait to see if more riots break out, because of media lies about a case from the riot which happened because of media lies in the first place!!!
      Riiiight- got it
      Rittenhouse is going to sue so many of these people. Even Poopy Pants himself has a problem.
      https://www.outkick.com/left-reactions-tweets-kyle-rittenhouse/
      
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      November 20, 2021 1:04pm
      - virtualmark
        
        There would have been inflammatory language no matter what direction the verdict went, it’s just a matter of who’s doing the flaming.
        
        So we all need to park our outrage and think calmly about what kind of society and behaviours we want, and what incentives and punishments need to be in place.
        
        For my part, I don’t want anyone in New Zealand walking the streets with loaded long guns. But that’s an NZ perspective, not an American one. America has got itself in a right mess with guns.
        
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        November 20, 2021 1:33pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Agreed, that there should have been a stronger and firmer response at the time.
      
      I suspect that it suited the political leaders of the time to have a BLM-led riot.
      
      I don’t think this was a political prosecution – I think that if two people are shot dead on a street then there needs to be an investigation and a prosecution. But that doesn’t guarantee that the prosecution case will prevail, and I would always want to respect the verdict of a jury trial.
      
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      November 20, 2021 1:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think the way the prosecution was conducted shows the case was influenced by politics
        Lets see what happens to that Prosecutor
        
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        November 20, 2021 2:23pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I’ll be more interested to see what happens to that judge. His running of the trial was an embarrassment. He’s clearly not fit to be on the bench any longer. Unfortunately many (most?) judges stay in the job long past their “best by” dates.
        
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        November 20, 2021 4:13pm
- I remember when
  
  Except of being f…..g stupid.
  It seems a rather extreme way to gain some common sense.
  Time consuming and costly (and not just for Rittenhouse).
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:57am
Maggie Pie

Remember I posted last week that our prayers were with Karl Rittenhouse?

The jury just gave Sleepy Joe his second colonoscopy of the day 😀
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November 20, 2021 8:24am
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://politico.com/news/2021/11/19/biden-to-have-colonoscopy-under-anesthesia-523032
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:30am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    They are looking for his mind…..
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:34am
  - JibberJabber
    
    They’re not going to find a brain, no matter what end they go in.
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Guessing it is local anesthesia, not general. I have always been awake during this (4 times)
    
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    November 20, 2021 8:50am
    - fisho
      
      General or not, one thing we can be sure of is that Sleepy Joe will nod off during the procedure.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:10am
    - peterwn
      
      Some doctors prefer general while some patients may request general – I think Southern Cross will pay for an anesthetist if requested. Even with Midazolam (sedative) / Fentanyl (painkiller) a patient would be no condition to make critical decisions so a Presidential hand-over is wise. I can hardly imagine the President being asked to authorise the pressing of the big button while on the table with the thing up his backside.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:10am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      According to the ABC it was a general.
      Hence presedential power being transferred to Kamala in the event of a nuclear explosion.
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:15am
      - Sacha
        
        She was President for 28 minutes!
        
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        November 20, 2021 9:42am
      - Don Beckett
        
        “The White House announced that President Joe Biden temporarily transfered power on Friday to Vice President Kamala Harris while he undergoes a colonoscopy under anesthesia during his annual physical.”
        
        Shouldn’t that read – ‘during his anal physical’ ? 😆
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:00am
      - bennerg
        
        Sacha. Harris was not president, she just had “presidential powers”.
        
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        November 21, 2021 10:11am
    - cmm
      
      Joe is already asleep. Does he need any anesthetic?
      
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      November 20, 2021 9:17am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    given his reported code brown while visiting the pope (inexplicably needed to change pants during visit) and lack of rectal control when talking to camila (“long, loud and impossible to ignore”) it sounds like it might be pretty easy access.
    
    You don’t give general anesthetics to (near) octogenarians without a really compelling reason.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:43am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I am sure Biden meeting the Pope was behind this.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just reading my FB and found this:
  Donald Trump Jr.: “The Rittenhouse jury just gave [President Joe] Biden his second colonoscopy of the day.”
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:29am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I can almost feel the rough end of that pineapple myself . . . ?
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:45am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Reminds me of the old joke about the politician who had an arsehole transplant; five days later the arsehole rejected him!
  
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  November 20, 2021 12:55pm
- Bluegrass
  
  I wonder how you spell ‘plagiarism’?
  
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  November 20, 2021 3:01pm
putty

That’s cheered me up in the provinces no end Benedict.
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November 20, 2021 8:25am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Rittenhouse cleared. US rule of law lives to fight another day (though walking wounded)

Expect US legacy (ene)media to parade a roll call of scummy commentators to incite riots over the result that will kill people in coming days.
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November 20, 2021 8:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Were folks aware that if they were self-isolating at home with covid infection, the folks who telephone check up on them have no medical/nursing training?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/19/adviser-calling-covid-cases-at-home-says-check-in-system-is-a-shambles/

It might pay to have your local GP or friendly nurse on speed-dial if you are told to self-isolate.
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November 20, 2021 8:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Telehealth?
  I had a call from a covid booking centre in Waitkato.
  It was probably those people.
  Has Nanaia Mahuta arranged a nice perk for her tribe? The control and supply of “medical services”? That is treasonous.
  
  This “health service” by untrained, but money hungry, is against the spirit of all the laws for the provision of medical services. I found that the caller has access to all my medical records and turned out to be from a bunch of Waikato Maori with accents to match.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:42am
  - chukar
    
    As mentioned yesterday Mahuta has been overseas promoting Maori exports.
    What about all NZ exporters who are paying for her trip?
    This unelected minister has a duty to promote every NZ exporter not just her mates.
    The sad result of MMP.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:09am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I wonder what they have on the Govt members that this transfer of power can occur so readily in the background?
      It’ atmosphere reminds me of the corruption relating to Mr Asia in the 70’s.
      Winston may have had an unrecognised preventative role.
      
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      November 20, 2021 2:20pm
- virtualmark
  
  Isn’t Kiwiblog’s conclusion that Covid is no worse than the flu? Heck, when I have the flu not even my Mum calls, and she’s a nurse. So what’s the panic here then?
  
  Or … maybe Covid can be worse than the flu?
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    With Delta it’s just a ‘flu. The Alpha was the badddy.
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:33am
    - virtualmark
      
      Delta is clinically worse than “alpha”. It replicates inside your body much faster, which means it can get well ahead of your immune system’s response.
      
      But Delta has caused less deaths than “alpha” because:
      (1) Many of the clinically vulnerable people already succumbed in the alpha wave, and
      (2) Many people who were exposed to Delta had been vaccinated.
      
      If Delta had been the original variant then things in 2020 would have been a lot worse. Including here in NZ.
      
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      November 20, 2021 1:36pm
- cmm
  
  Geez Maggy your memory is slipping…
  Don’t you remember, they blew all the funds on fry bread.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s a bit left over for fly-bys today…
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018821282/covid-battle-takes-to-the-skies-with-flights-featuring-maori-battalion
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:38am
Dr John

There have been bells and whistles and fireworks of joy at Auckland’s ‘opening’ on 15 December.
But I can’t find any information as to what is to happen on 17 January – apart from the statement “we all have to be home by then”.
Surely this incompetant government is not going to lock us down again?
Can someone please tell me what this is all about?
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November 20, 2021 8:29am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Hell no. The Government doesn’t want businesses and people to be able to plan anything. It needs to keep everyone’s attention with uncertainties and announcements about announcements.
  
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  November 20, 2021 3:33pm
tedbear

If you’re thinking of heading to Eastern Bay of Plenty for your holidays, iwi Te Whānau-ā-Apanui are asking for those who do not whakapapa to it to refrain from going into their rohe this summer.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018821275/bay-of-plenty-iwi-asks-summer-visitors-to-rethink-plans-due-to-limited-health-resources

By ‘asking’ I read this as saying there will be road blocks in place and if anyone doesn’t ‘whakapapa’ to the area they will be denied entry.
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November 20, 2021 8:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Under what authority?
  Does that recent Amendment Bill give citizens, with Police connivance, the right to prevent other citizens going about their business?
  
  These extensions imposing restrictions because someone has chosen to exercise their under prevailing international law makes our law warriors outside the law and possibly liable in the International Criminal Court.
  
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  November 20, 2021 2:27pm
Cassandra

Interesting* that the vaccination certificate has the country as Aotearoa New Zealand. This government has decided to rename us.
*other words might be appalling, distressing but feel free to add your own. Let’s get rid of Labour.
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November 20, 2021 8:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

On 17th November Radio NZ ran a very nasty interview of Judith Collins about rapid antigen testing.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018820854/covid-19-collins-backs-rapid-testing-despite-reliability-concerns

The interviewer (?susie Fergusson) kept insisting that the antigen tests were unreliable.

Now we learn that the Ministry of Health is wanting to undertake rapid antigen tests to cope with the coming demand :

The Health Ministry told Newshub it’s also looking at using rapid antigen tests to alleviate stress on labs.

“Work is also underway by the Ministry to review the testing strategy to take a risk-based approach utilising ‘the right test to achieve the right outcome’,” a spokesperson told Newshub.

They said this could include rapid antigen testing in multiple settings and scenarios, and contribute to managing the demand on laboratories.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/revealed-the-significant-changes-coming-to-nz-s-covid-19-home-isolation-programme.html

I wonder if RNZ will apologise for the misinformation they have been broadcasting about the need for antigen testing.
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November 20, 2021 8:46am
- Cassandra
  
  Wonder no longer. They won’t and Ferguson will repeat the performance soon. Leopards and spots. National should sell it all apart from the Concert Programme.
  
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  November 20, 2021 8:53am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, they will say nothing unless questioned. If questioned, they will fob it off as being opinion.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:02am
- peterwn
  
  It is not what the Ministry thinks, it is what the Minister thinks. $55M of taxpayer’s money at work. Having a crack at Judith helps show that Labour is getting its moneysworth.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Corruption as well.
    
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    November 20, 2021 2:28pm
- Bridgenag
  
  That Suzi is well and truly part of the faithful propaganda team
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:28am
- Paulus
  
  RNZ apologies – you must be joking – what do you think the $105,000,000 was for ?
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:19am
- Taieri
  
  From the Fountain of Truth:
  
  “(…)Both National and Act New Zealand would like to see more rapid antigen testing, and for test kits to be available for sale in pharmacies and supermarkets.
  
  However, the Government questions the wisdom of doing that, for equity reasons (it would like all testing to be universally free) and concerns whether widespread private testing would provide public health officials with the needed data to fight Covid-19.(…)”
  
  Very strange “reasoning” indeed…
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggy this is first hand experience from 2 days ago. I had to go to see the eye specialist on Thursday. The male nurse checking me in asked my vax status. I said not jabbed, offered me one, I politely declined, still waiting for the long term trial results to end, but pointed out that empirical evidence and news of boosters etc isn’t looking good. The nurse nodded but didn’t try an push further.
  However, nurse said I needed to have a covid test to see the specialist, I said I was not going to have a PCR test due to their unreliability, quoted the 40 ct as per admitted by MoH in the OIA submitted to them. The nurse nodded and said they could do a rapid antigen test instead. I asked what it involved. I was told it was a swab in the lower nostril, self administered. I’m not anti testing, I’m anti testing that isn’t fit for purpose.
  Anyway, nurse went to get the test gear. When they came back I had 2 more questions. Is this test a legal requirement to get medical treatment? No, but without it it meant the specialist would have to put on the full PPE. I felt a little guilty. I then asked out of curiosity, what was the accuracy of the test? The nurse said 49 to 50%…………!
  
  I looked at the nurse and did a pretend coin toss. The nurse nodded. I said “no thanks” and apologies for any inconvenience. That I would go home if it was too much trouble. No said the nurse.
  Anyway, end of story was I went to the office to see the specialist. No mask (I’m exempt) and the specialist sitting in casual gear with only a disposable mask on. No other PPE. Chatted away to me while checking the eye.
  Obviously this is the Black Death.
  My main concern is that the rapid antigen test is a coin test. I believe if it comes up positive you have to get a proper PCR test. I’ve said before, the simplest way out of this is having a very reliable, non invasive test. I would have zero problem with that. If they can detect it in parts per millions of wastewater why not?
  
  Anyway this trip to hospital is a good example of what “informed consent” is, though I would have to say that it wasn’t freely given. I had to ask specific questions.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Our Dear PM told us the vaccination would not be mandatory for health matters.
    
    I don’t believe her…and it is only because hubby has deteriorating eye sight and needs to be seen on a very regular (monthly) basis, that he has agreed to be Covid-vaxxed…
    When you’re already partially-sighted, you don’t need a load of bureaucratic hassles in your life every time you access a chemist/ hardware store/supermarket, let alone your specialist surgeon.
    
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    November 20, 2021 10:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They didn’t insist on the vax or the test, but it was said in such a way as to make the unsuspecting think they had to have one or the other.
      Actually, I was lucky that there was a poster on the wall in the waiting room outlining your rights as a patient. It helped me ask the relevant questions when the nurse go back.
      I don’t joke when I say I would go blind before being coerced into taking this jab. I may have it at some point in the future when I am confident of the benefits. But it will be my decision in my time. Do your worst Ardern. “let’s go Brenda”.
      
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      November 20, 2021 11:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Justice has been served. Kid broke down and I don’t blame him. The media especially were out to judge him.
https://rumble.com/vphnmj-kyle-rittenhouse-found-not-guilty-on-all-counts-collapses-in-court.html?
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November 20, 2021 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A year ago, if you wrote the truth on Facebook, your account was either locked or deleted. Facebook took part in the disgusting libel campaign against an innocent teenager.
  Today— we are all vindicated.
  So let us say it loudly and proudly— KYLE RITTENHOUSE IS INNOCENT. BLACK LIVES MATTER CORPORATISTS LIED ON A TEENAGE BOY TO FULFILL THEIR SICK AND TWISTED NARRATIVE.
  May he sue you ALL.
  Candace Owens.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:31am
- MCōs
  
  Apart from anything else else I’ve never known a seventeen year old boy arm himself with a AR-15 rifle, head off to a protest/riot and kill some people who tried to disarm him or whatever.
  Maybe that’s all very innocent behaviour all round in Wisconsin.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:50am
  - BananaLlama
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:55am
    - BananaLlama
      
      I’m sorry if it offends but i don’t support touching unwilling minors.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:17pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The police were directed to stand back and let the riotous mob destroy the town by the Democrats controlling their town to serve the DNC’s anti Trump agenda. $50 million in damage done as a result to this poor community. When an evil/machiavellian govt colludes with the mob and abrogates their responsibilities in holding up the rule of law should affected citizens passively accept that and the destruction of their jobs, wealth and communities as a result? What would you do if a mob came to destroy everything you own (no insurance) and the police refused to act, and you had access to weapons?
    
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    November 20, 2021 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You may find that the gun did not have a shoulder stock, so it is classed as a pistol/hand gun
    
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    November 20, 2021 1:56pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Pathetic.
    
    Read the law on self defense, fellow.
    
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    November 20, 2021 3:18pm
  - bennerg
    
    MCōs. Just in case you didn’t hear, he was there helping clean the graffiti from the protester/rioters actions the previous night, he was also carrying a medical bag and helping people. You can see the medic bag in most of the photos / videos.
    As to the gun, well there in that situation you needed one to protect yourself. In all the shootings, Kyle was attacked first, and as the jury found he was legally right to defend himself. Especially when one guy had a pistol pointed at him and was advancing.
    The media (and the president) lied and told porkies … eg. that he came from “out of state” to shoot people. Whereas, he lived only 20 mins away, albeit in a different state – like saying Pokeno to Auckland – to Kenosha where his dad lived, to help.
    
    Reality is a bummer when it doesn’t fit your preconception.
    
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    November 21, 2021 10:32am
Littletramp

Even Dr Fauci is now admitting the truth. A sea change is about to occur & watch as the rats run for the hills.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/fauci_finally_admits_vaccines_dont_protect_against_serious_covid_or_death.html

Ever noticed how Ardern’s default position when asked to explain govt covid actions has been to compare herself to other nations. That will be going into overdrive when they finally admit, as many have known all along, that the vaccines are not the solution they are becoming the problem.

We have until next flu season to find an exit strategy.
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November 20, 2021 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ardern told us that vaccination was our ‘Golden Ticket”.
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:28am
  - sooty
    
    Going by some reports, it’s been her goldern ticket aswell!
    
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    November 20, 2021 7:30pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  How did we ever get to this point? Worse still, it isn’t over yet, we aren’t even close to the end.
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:29am
All_on_Red

Actor George Clooney was recently interviewed and he commented on the Alec Baldwin shooting

“The “Ocean’s Eleven” star said that despite having “been on sets for 40 years,” he has never heard of some of the apparent safety measures Baldwin’s Western had used on the deadly set.”
“First of all, I’ve never heard the term ‘cold gun,’” he said of the doomed safe word that Baldwin believed meant the Colt .45 he fired would not have live bullets.”
“Every single time I’m handed a gun on a set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it to, we show it to the crew,” he told Maron.
“Everyone does it. Everybody knows,” he said.’

https://nypost.com/2021/11/16/george-clooney-calls-alec-baldwins-rust-shooting-insane/
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November 20, 2021 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All Baldwin had to do was inspect the rounds. A live has a projectile, a blank does not. The guy is a fuckwit
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:01am
  - fernglas
    
    This may sound a bit naive, but if they can build Mordor out of polystyrene, surely they can make a pretend gun out of plastic? They’re only pretending.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:04am
  - peterwn
    
    So are the people involved with handing the actor the gun. If an actor is not used to handling guns, someone should help him and demonstrate the gun is unloaded in front of the actor. Of course in gun-happy USA everyone is presumed to be proficient with guns.
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is a different World up there. I fired my first hand gun in Alaska 2015. I was given 3 hours of instruction before even going to the gun range. Even instructed on how to clean and oil the gun before packing it in a case. A 9mm and a 45 both semis.
      But hey, even I made a mistake. I was told to keep my thumb down – the slide got me, just a scratch
      
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      November 20, 2021 2:03pm
  - dcrane
    
    Better also to check the barrel it seems…
    
    “The thriller only had eight days of shooting remaining in Wilmington, N.C., when Lee prepared himself for a scene in which his character is shot and killed by Funboy, played by actor Michael Massee. Before the scene on March 31, 1993, Massee believed the prop gun he was handed was loaded with blanks. Unbeknown to the crew or Massee, the tip of a .44-caliber bullet had become lodged in the barrel of the prop gun weeks before.”
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/10/22/brandon-lee-alec-baldwin-prop/
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:20am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Oh, and not point it at anyone, and not pull the trigger. So to your last sentence, concur.
    
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    November 20, 2021 10:05am
  - GJM
    
    Baldwin is vehemently anti gun and would love to ban them all. Like most gun banners, like Herald Cook in NZ, they think they know about the subject but know absolutely nothing.
    I feel sorry for the lady who was killed. For Baldwin, men, who cares.
    
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    November 21, 2021 3:25am
- raven
  
  Why don’t they just use cap guns in movies? They’re actors not real cops. Add in the special effects in post production, no chance of real bullets or risk of harm from blank projectiles.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:16am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Red, Baldwin, the uber anti-gun activist and rabid anti-Trumper, is running for cover. Perhaps instead of ranting at the NRA, he had taken one of their courses, he wouldn’t be in the deep shit hole he is in now. But hey, karma is definitely a bitch.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:04am
- Raphael
  
  The script writer is saying it was intentional.
  The script did not call for him to draw or fire the gun.
  It was an old single action revolver. That means Baldwin had to cock the revolver before he could fire it.
  This means he took intentional actions, so while he most likely did not intent to shoot and kill someone, it does meant there is a case for manslaughter.
  (as the investigations etc. are still pending, I won’t speculate to his innocence or guilt)
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:17am
KevO'Brien

These are the people involved:
https://whakarongorau.nz/

Medicine by mere?
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November 20, 2021 8:54am
- Ruahine
  
  That is where your tax payer health millions go. Talk medicine. But it does ensure that they keep voting the correct way. Lovely picture of Cindy down the page.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:14am
Leofric

For those who don’t get the Taxpayers’ Union’s newsletter:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/three_waters_op_ed?utm_campaign=211119_version23waters&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

If Stuff ever wonders why I won’t even read them, much less contribute…
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November 20, 2021 8:56am
Cassandra

Ron Crosbie’s “The Musket Wars” should be compulsory reading for all school pupils. In fact, I’d add it to the vax certificate requirements.
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November 20, 2021 8:57am
- Ruahine
  
  Have read it often for reference. I get it from the Library. Should probably buy a copy. I feel that we are not many steps away from it be ‘unavailable to the general public’. Banned.
  
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  November 20, 2021 12:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,
RNZ “Morning Report’s” ratings are dropping.

During the initial Covid outbreak 18 months ago, and before the election, RNZ had a record high cumulative weekly total of 703,000 listeners. On the most recent GfK radio survey, RNZ was down to a 589,600 cumulative weekly total.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/corin-and-susie-get-chatty-in-the-mornings

I wonder why.
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November 20, 2021 8:58am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Maybe people are listening to Hosking.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:23am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I miss the old RNZ……..sigh
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:30am
- Spoff
  
  Spent much of my youth annoying family and employees with my dedication to RNZ – Geoff Robinson, Wayne Mowatt, the former Kim Hill (not the current imposter), Sharon Crosbie, Barry Holland. Never dreamed that in my dotage I would be reluctant to turn it on for fear of an overwhelming desire to throw an expensive radio out the window – the effete Mora, dim-witted Crump, saccharine Mulligan and confused Ryan.
  That goes for the BBC too.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:27am
- emmess
  
  Wow, that is nothing
  As most people who listen would be listening every day, so it probably no more than 150000 unique listeners, and probably not more than 50000 at any one time
  
  Just compare with say this video with 1.5 million views with a bunch of independent media personalities, and that is on just one platform (admittedly the biggest)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IRyjNDVv3s&t=7645s
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:29am
  - emmess
    
    Further to that, I just checked
    And Checkpoint on RNZ is lucky to break 1000 listens on YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/user/radionz/videos
    
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    November 20, 2021 9:47am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    USA is 60x NZ pop. That 1.5 million views would be like 20000 in NZ. Joe Rogan (11 million) would be the equivalent of about 160000 a week in NZ.
    
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    November 20, 2021 12:44pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggy this is first hand experience from 2 days ago. I had to go to see the eye specialist on Thursday. The male nurse checking me in asked my vax status. I said not jabbed, offered me one, I politely declined, still waiting for the long term trial results to end, but pointed out that empirical evidence and news of boosters etc isn’t looking good. The nurse nodded but didn’t try an push further.
  However, nurse said I needed to have a covid test to see the specialist, I said I was not going to have a PCR test due to their unreliability, quoted the 40 ct as per admitted by MoH in the OIA submitted to them. The nurse nodded and said they could do a rapid antigen test instead. I asked what it involved. I was told it was a swab in the lower nostril, self administered. I’m not anti testing, I’m anti testing that isn’t fit for purpose.
  Anyway, nurse went to get the test gear. When they came back I had 2 more questions. Is this test a legal requirement to get medical treatment? No, but without it it meant the specialist would have to put on the full PPE. I felt a little guilty. I then asked out of curiosity, what was the accuracy of the test? The nurse said 49 to 50%…………!
  
  I looked at the nurse and did a pretend coin toss. The nurse nodded. I said “no thanks” and apologies for any inconvenience. That I would go home if it was too much trouble. No said the nurse.
  Anyway, end of story was I went to the office to see the specialist. No mask (I’m exempt) and the specialist sitting in casual gear with only a disposable mask on. No other PPE.
  Obviously this is the Black Death.
  The main concern obviously is that the rapid antigen test is a coin test. I believe if it comes up positive you have to get a proper PCR test.
  
  That’s what “informed consent” is, though I would have to say that it wasn’t freely given. I had to ask specific questions.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:42am
- lifesgood
  
  I spent most of my life listening to and loving RNZ. I pine for Sharon Crosby, was seriously sad when Geoff Robinson retired and the delightful, quirky Lloyd Scott. Now it’s Hosking all the way. Enjoy Bruce Russell on Newstalk too.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:12pm
fernglas

Nicola Willis is National’s only hope. The rest are hopeless.
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November 20, 2021 9:01am
- lifesgood
  
  Ahem! Shane Reti?
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Reti is very smart but unfortunately he’s a charisma-free zone.
    
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    November 20, 2021 5:07pm
I remember when

Do the home isolation system results highlight the reason for actual visits to the doctor’s surgery.
Virtual certainly has its place in medical diagnosis but it is not a cure-all for shortages.
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November 20, 2021 9:09am
cmm

Culture is a very important part of being human. It is wonderful to see that more people are engaging with cultural organisations.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/127011584/police-data-shows-canterbury-gang-members-up-50-per-cent-in-four-years
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November 20, 2021 9:13am
- Ruahine
  
  These cops need to attend the reeducation camp for Labours newspeak.
  Robertson says that they should be known as marginalised groups not gangs.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:20am
- Leofric
  
  Very disappointing. As a Northlander born and bred, one thing I really like about living in the South Island is that I’m down here and most of those bastards are up there.
  
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  November 20, 2021 9:40am
- Nickc2
  
  But they all have PhDs in Road Blocking and it’s rumoured they’re soon to be sworn in as Honary Constables.
  
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  November 20, 2021 3:50pm
lazza

Yep Labour unable to get their sh*t together ,,, again!
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November 20, 2021 9:18am
Jack5

The subsidised media are working for Ardern. She’s getting her (or really, taxpayers’) money’s worth.

It seems that every few days, Stuff, the Herald, or State Radio rabbits are on about supposed rifts in the National Party members, and alleging leadership coups being hatched, or at least, inevitable.

Today its Stuff, but Red Radio recently had as its (allegedly) National commentator a former National Party PR, Big Ben, talking up possibility of mutiny.

Interesting how former National Party staffers that Red Radio highlights seem to have in mind someone to replace Collins, and it’s someone from the Labour Lite end of the party.

This is political PR by Labour. Rumours, rumours, rumours about the Opposition. Almost as tactical as the staged infant interruptions of Her Highness when she’s online from home, and the coming midlife wedding.
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November 20, 2021 9:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m finding it difficult to locate up-to-date information about the vaccination status of the folks who have recently been hospitalised with Covid-19 in NZ.

The media and Min of Health were quick to publicise this type of information in the early weeks of the latest outbreak.
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November 20, 2021 9:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  “Well of course more vaccinated people are in hospital with covid because more people are vaccinated” – “sure, he died of covid, but without the vaccination it could have been worse”. (Honestly, that was published in one media outlet.)
  
  The mental and verbal contortions of the narrative drivers trying to maintain control are very entertaining.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:45am
Yvette

I have just tried setting up My Health Account, to be sent a message that says the email address I wish to use is already in use, but as I am the only one using it, it can’t be.
So I have rung the 0800 number provided, to find their hours are Monday to Friday, with something different on Wednesday.

Jacinda, this is a fucking pandemic, and your Government is not answering the phones at reasonable hours on the weekend? – when an eligible 4.2 million people need to ring in?
Is this Labourless Government the most fucking brainless lazy non-delivery entity (sorry, word usually used for something that fucking actually exists in reality) that we have ever know?
Let’s Do This – but after the bloody weekend.

Thinks: I’ll go any watch my actual beehive in the garden for a while – bees coming and going – for some reason it is calming and very therapeutic.
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November 20, 2021 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You may have started to set the account up. Log in with your email and click ‘forgot password’
  I did the same but forgot I did.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:37pm
  - Yvette
    
    Steve, thank you.
    I managed to perpetrate some other glitch, but the suggestion to log in with my email address then click “Forgot password” was the way around it!
    
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    November 20, 2021 3:00pm
Surely Knott

A lovely day. Even authoritarian dictators can’t stop the sun from shining. This will be our salvation. Coronaviruses don’t like summer.
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November 20, 2021 9:57am
Lee C

Been a good boy/girl scout?
Got your vaccinations for the good of public safety?
Got the App?
Feeling like a first Class citizen?
Well, guess what?
You’re just scum.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/coronavirus-ministry-of-health-considering-whether-to-change-definition-of-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19.html?fbclid=IwAR3euZOtFxpsfGSTDlxr-2AyNKEQ0UkqU2s4zz9-ZDA_Qcd_ufJtMCOQcgc
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November 20, 2021 10:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  The Nation is now hooked on Pfizer “groundbreaking” shots…..
  
  6 monthly fixes for good citizens.
  We’ve all become junkies.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I certainly wont be waiting 6 months for my next wax.
    
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    November 20, 2021 10:24am
    - Ruahine
      
      Maggie.
      It is good to hear that one can get a wax in Auckland.
      I am in need of both. just deciding which is the most essential.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:07pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    I reckon that it will move down to 4 and then 3 monthly after a short time. Unless politics intervenes and the lunatics in charge of the asylum are tossed out and someone sensible takes over. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be anyone sensible on offer…
    
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    November 20, 2021 2:26pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Right on schedule. I don’t know about you Lee, but I’m getting tired of consistently being proven correct four or five months after saying that the goalposts will inevitably shift to a new criterion. I’m still confident about the “shots for the rest of your life” prediction too.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:30am
- Yvette
  
  So from the linked article –
  Earlier this week the UK said it would soon redefine ‘fully vaccinated’ as having had three shots – not two, as originally designed.
  The vaccine, one of the first based on groundbreaking mRNA technology to be rolled out globally, has proved its efficacy over the past 12 months, with vaccinated people far less likely to be infected, hospitalised or die than the unvaccinated.
  But there is evidence their effectiveness does trail off a bit six months after the second dose, leading to many countries starting rounds of ‘booster’ shots
  
  Further, from Newsroom _
  Waning immunity sets expiry date for vaccine passes
  New studies confirm waning immunity over six months after vaccination, imposing greater urgency around booster shots for the elderly and vulnerable
  Studies have confirmed the mRNA vaccine is not just ‘one and done’ – or indeed even two and done. Studies have shown that six months after being full-vaccinated, the effectiveness of the vaccine is reduced.
  
  Former National MP Dr Parmjeet Parmar, who has a PhD in biological sciences, wonders what this means for vaccine passes.
  Parmar argues the purpose of the vaccine certificate is to state the person holding it is fully protected – but without consideration for how long it has been since people got the jab, the usefulness of the entire system is compromised.
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-deadline-to-boost-nz-immunity
  
  Can any reader who already has their vaccine pass, confirm if it has an expiry date?
  
  Six months plus 2 weeks (full vaccination after 2nd shot) is Friday, 3 June 2022.
  Anyone with a vaccination certificate prior this date, theoretically should have a BEST BY DATE already expired?
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:46am
- ABS4EVA
  
  NOVAVAX works you do not have it
  
  Any one who can read can tell it is better.
  
  All this Hullabulu
  for what
  6 MONTHs protection
  
  When everyone with half a brain c
  SUCKED IN
  
  NOVAVAX will ship to INDONESIA
  Soon
  
  Sucker
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:11am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

JacinDan has come in for a lot of crits lately about the ‘ill-fitting’ clothes she wears. Well, just for the record, the Prime Minister confirms…. “she no longer shops at SAVEMART.”

In fact, she has “not set foot” in there, since CHECKPOINT revealed the unsafe and unsanitary conditions staff working there were forced to endure.

One staff member, Danielle, a former employee of SAVEMART in Hastings (where the PM bought the fur coat she wore to the music awards), says…”she would rather eat a pile of steaming dog shit than work there again”
Danielle went on to say…”There was a dead cat in one clothing bale, faeces, dirty sanitary pads, you name it” 🙁

https://rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018622103/prime-minister-no-longer-shops-at-savemart

Maybe Cindy still has some of the old stuff in her wardrobe that she’d forgotten about?
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November 20, 2021 10:17am
Benedict Yu

Yesterday I heard Jacinda say that centralising control of water was required because 30,000 people get sick every year from contaminated tap water..

Has anyone ever met one of these people?

Are they in a small number of places?

How sick were they?

Who was responsible for the poor water?

What are the alterative solutions?

She is a logic free zone.
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November 20, 2021 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you look at the latest Annual Report on Drinking-Water Quality, you wil see that there are a few small places where bacterial and Protozoal standards have not been met on a few occasions, but I didn’t find any mention of any drinking-water outbreaks.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/publication/annual-report-drinking-water-quality-2019-2020
  
  But overall, things have continued to improve.
  
  However, did you know as of 5 days ago, we have a new Drinking Water Regulator – Taumata Arowai?
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/environmental-health/drinking-water
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    So why not just throw resources at the small number of places where drinking water is a problem?
    
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    November 20, 2021 11:07am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Same reasoning as forcing draconian speed limits on all of us because of the 0.5% of drivers who speed excessively.
      
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      November 20, 2021 11:14am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        … and who ignore the draconian speed limits anyway.
        
        Funny how as the roads and cars get better the speed limit gets lower. Bureaucrat virtue signalling rules ok.
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:21am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And the same reason why Ardern wants to stab at least 90% of NZers with an experimental drug when the at risk group is around 0.15%
        
        It’s all about control. The more they have the more they want.
        
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        November 20, 2021 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Woke bureaucrats: not even a dual English language name.
        
        According to an online Maori dictionary, “taumata” means the top of a hill or summit, and “arowai” seems to mean hydrology.
        
        Who knew Maori had a study of hydrology? Unwritten, too.
        
        The State media, the subsidised print and internet media, and the Wellington bureaucracy relentlessly push Maori words, from place names to greetings, into English use in NZ.
        
        The democratic system would be dual names: one to use when talking or writing English, the other then reading or writing Maori.
        
        No. The bureaucracy is trying to force us all into Maori language.
        
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        November 20, 2021 1:10pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Because it’s not about water. It’s about ownership and ideology.
      
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      November 20, 2021 12:35pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Without a doubt!
        
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        November 20, 2021 3:44pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Drinking water can refer to cattle supplies. Town water supplies are vigorously filtered etc.
      A small farm may have a few extra micrograms of nitrates or a couple of bugs/cubic metre. Farmers take care that their water is fit for purpose but they are not the main town water feed.
      The arguments about water quality are a smoke screen for activists and the seize back by Nania Mahuta and her rapacious mob.
      
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      November 20, 2021 5:04pm
- crikey
  
  Where is her evidence that 30,000 get sick every year from contaminated tap water?
  
  I say bullshit, information to that level of detail does not exist.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:48am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Probably related to the 80,000 people who died of covid in the first outbreak in NZ
    
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    November 20, 2021 3:15pm
- Yvette
  
  Benedict Yu
  Taumata Arowai was established as a standalone Crown entity in March 2021 and became New Zealand’s dedicated regulator of drinking water, wastewater and stormwater when the Water Services Bill was enacted in September 2021. For more information please go to the Taumata Arowai website
  https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz
  
  The existence of this whole new Government entity makes any statement by Arder – that any 3 Waters centralising off control of water is required because 30,000 people get sick every year from contaminated tap water – a lie by omission.
  
  Taumata Arowai is the 4th water missed out of 3 Waters – see comments by Dr Mike Joy (like him or not, he has a point, which this new entity apparently will fulfil, unless, like the unit Robertson has established in the Prime Minister’s Department to ensure all policy is delivered, Taumata Arowai ALSO doesn’t deliver)
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    This water seizure was being promoted all the way through the 2017 elections. Liebores PR team were playing hit girls then and it has not stopped.
    Once more another setup.
    Are the Opposition Parties asleep or just taken in by these shifty Maori?
    
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    November 20, 2021 5:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You may find that once again this is lies by omission.
  30,000 may get sick from contaminated water – but is this in NZ?
  Watch the word soup, she is cunning
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:43pm
  - Nickc2
    
    She’s also a fucking liar! Where did she get the 30k figure from? Wherever it was she should include it in her diatribe.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/455238/contaminated-water-may-lead-to-40-deaths-a-year-in-nz-study
    This is courtesy of that sess-pit of leftist thinking aka Otago University.
    FFS Cindy, do the maths before you open your mouth and make NZ (and/or yourself) the laughing stock of the world.
    Do you know what GDP is yet????
    
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    November 20, 2021 3:39pm
Taieri

Jacinda say that centralising control of water was required because 30,000 people get sick every year from contaminated tap water.
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Assuming, for the sake of an argument, that this is true, how centralizing control is going to prevent it from happening?
But, on the other hand…perhaps, in order to strengthen control, the PM herself should assume direct control over potable water sourcing, treatment and distribution. This will, undoubtedly, result in far more EQUITABLE outcomes than now.
I remember reading somewhere that in the sadly departed Soviet Union, the General Secretary of the Party was responsible for setting the prices of daily essentials such as milk or bread. This responsibility was discharged very diligently and the outcomes were very equitable indeed…
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November 20, 2021 10:37am
Maggie Pie

Images now circulating of Joe’s colonoscopy…..

https://twitter.com/ConservOmatic/status/1461716286103298054
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November 20, 2021 10:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps I should have got royalties for mine–or weren’t they rescreened?
  
  I watched throughout with some interest but didn’t see any mice or other creatures just the traverse of a long skinny tunnel. No particular discomfort.
  
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  November 20, 2021 5:18pm
Fletch

Timely. The last letter/speech Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote before he was exiled to the West in 1974. It’s called ‘Live Not By Lies’ and is about passive resistance. Wish I could paste the whole thing here but it’s too big. Go and read it.

And therein we find, neglected by us, the simplest, the most accessible key to our liberation: a personal nonparticipation in lies! Even if all is covered by lies, even if all is under their rule, let us resist in the smallest way: Let their rule hold not through me!

And this is the way to break out of the imaginary encirclement of our inertness, the easiest way for us and the most devastating for the lies. For when people renounce lies, lies simply cease to exist. Like parasites, they can only survive when attached to a person.

We are not called upon to step out onto the square and shout out the truth, to say out loud what we think—this is scary, we are not ready. But let us at least refuse to say what we do not think! This is the way, then, the easiest and most accessible for us given our deep-seated organic cowardice, much easier than (it’s scary even to utter the words) civil disobedience à la Gandhi.

Our way must be: Never knowingly support lies! Having understood where the lies begin (and many see this line differently)—step back from that gangrenous edge! Let us not glue back the flaking scales of the Ideology, not gather back its crumbling bones, nor patch together its decomposing garb, and we will be amazed how swiftly and helplessly the lies will fall away, and that which is destined to be naked will be exposed as such to the world.

[He then enumerates the ways in which you can do this]

Yes, at first it will not be fair. Someone will have to temporarily lose his job. For the young who seek to live by truth, this will at first severely complicate life, for their tests and quizzes, too, are stuffed with lies, and so choices will have to be made. But there is no loophole left for anyone who seeks to be honest. […]

For us, who have grown staid over time, even this most moderate path of resistance will be not be easy to set out upon. But how much easier it is than self-immolation or even a hunger strike: Flames will not engulf your body, your eyes will not pop out from the heat, and your family will always have at least a piece of black bread to wash down with a glass of clear water.

https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/live-not-by-lies
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November 20, 2021 10:56am
Clownworld

I think John Parkes I like you. You are raising comments to present another side to Ardern we never hear about in the NZ and overseas media.
You Sir are a credit to ensuring we hear reasoned logic from both sides in your balanced nuanced views and opinions.

I am guessing you like Jordan Peterson and ascribe to ensuring we always listen to others as we don’t know everything , an individual can hopefully learn something new we didn’t know before.

As for correcting grammer you are just trying to point out that the correct use of language helps with confidence in the source. Although I’m sure you were already aware bad typos, spolling and such are more a reflection on the degradation of the edumacation system.

I admire your use of argument in the emotive sense by using appeal by tongue in cheek stating that their views are always predictable by using only those arguments in echo chamber.

Still looking forward to hearing your thoughtsof how Ardern is not a communist with an ideological driven approach to transforming NZ into a socialist utopia?
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November 20, 2021 10:57am
Master Mariner

Dont say I did not warn you.

There is an elevated risk that a critical loss of staff could force an earlier closure of the refinery. Any closure with less than about six weeks’ notice could result in fuel shortages of around 40 percent before replacement fuel imports can be delivered.”
– Megan Woods, Energy Minister
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/warning-of-higher-pump-prices-as-marsden-point-oil-refinery-closes?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1637003297
Its highly skilled jobs departing NZ shores forever that can be replaced.
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November 20, 2021 11:05am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Mariner, Megan Woods is as inept Minister as any in Labour. She has zero idea with regards to her energy portfolio, and to say there may be fuel shortages. FFS, she is on another planet. Of course there will be shortages. And massive price increases. Price increases that will not go away as we are gouged by Mobil, Z, BP etc. And there is no going back. Well done Ardern and Woods. … [deleted].
  
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  November 20, 2021 11:56am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In a debate in Parliament the other night, Woods apparently made the comment that there will never be a state housing waiting list like there was when Labour took office. She seems to have forgotten that the state house waiting list has more than quadrupled since Labour took over in 2017!
    
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    November 20, 2021 1:04pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      The Labour Party’s lack of intelligence, ability and achievements will be used as an excuse for ever more by the exaggerated impact of covid19.
      If I were them I would be drafting up now some sort of app, screen saver or certificate to advise that due to the pandemic this government could do nuffink. Then they can show it in justification everywhere they go – just like a vax identifier.
      
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      November 20, 2021 2:07pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      The list has only quadrupled because more of aotearoa’s citizens now see how kind this government is…
      
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      November 20, 2021 6:22pm
- Taieri
  
  The Law of Unintended Consequences. This government seems to follow it to perfection.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:34pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dhLGXZjBGiOh/

NY, and CA Aren’t the Entire USA.

Liberals have been shown that CRT, and the like aren’t popular anywhere. Some are surprised. Some will just double down.
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November 20, 2021 11:11am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/19/nolte-republican-mayor-elected-county-biden-won-38-points/

Republican Elected Mayor in County Brandon ‘won’ by 38 Points.

For the first time in 30 years, and in a county His Fraudulency Joe Biden won by nearly 40 points, a Republican is the mayor of Columbia, South Carolina.
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November 20, 2021 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn
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November 20, 2021 11:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/oh-no-85000-trump-ballots-found-inside-bidens-colon
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November 20, 2021 11:33am
Wayne Mapp

I know some here would accuse me of being a hand wringing liberal, but even for me, I thought the front page article in the Herald about Morrison Kent was little more than a storm in teacup. Two women lawyers made a slightly off colour speech at the firm’s Christmas function, not last week, but two years ago. And that is front page news! More important than everything else!

Horrors of horrors, the managing partner actually assessed people on the basis of their fee earning ability. Will the pain ever end?
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November 20, 2021 11:51am
- alex Masterley
  
  The piece smacks of hit-job.
  The author may be mates with one of those who didnt make the grade.
  
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  November 20, 2021 5:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I have a lot of time for Candace Owens. Hope this link about Rittenhouse works from her FB.
https://fb.watch/9nViMp4g48/
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November 20, 2021 11:58am
WaynelSexton

How we know that the vaccines are the vector
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-mystified-wary-africa-avoids-074905034.html
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November 20, 2021 12:00pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Large parts of Africa, and I’m reasonably sure that Zimbabwe is in that part, use Ivermectin on a reasonable scale to fight parasitic diseases, and the low incidence of Covid maps pretty well to that usage area. Also with malaria quite common, HCQ is also often used.
  
  Us superior westerners though don’t believe in juju medicine like horse dewormers and so stick with high technology high cost solutions that offer far better protection. Oh wait, what…
  
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  November 20, 2021 2:34pm
  - Scooter
    
    Also they are probably more concerned with getting on with life to get tested every 5 five minutes or line up like sheep to be vaxxed.
    
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    November 20, 2021 4:33pm
Lee C

Happy National Compassion Day:
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November 20, 2021 12:01pm
BananaLlama

Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Q0Wkrkfbc
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November 20, 2021 12:20pm
Lee C

Consider this: I cannot hand-on-heart assure you this is true, but if it is, then it is worthwhile knowing: https://www.facebook.com/deane.ellison/videos/919400975346326
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November 20, 2021 12:20pm
Fletch

The COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Act 2021, including amendments which were added yesterday. The Director General sure has broad powers under section 11 ?

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2021/0048/latest/whole.html#LMS580347
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November 20, 2021 1:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  None of this is in force until after the Royal Assent. Some can be further delayed.
  
  Are provisions in conflict with the Nuremberg Convention grounds for attention by the International Criminal Court. Could assenting MP’s be arrested?
  
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  November 20, 2021 5:26pm
surfing

And now it starts….

“In a statement today, Te Whānau-ā-Apanui’s Covid-19 iwi response unit asked holidaymakers who do not whakapapa to Te Whānau-ā-Apanui to refrain from entering its tribal territories this summer”

Good timing for them too, government is passing a new law that gives them legal authority to shutdown access into their territories. Next step is to start collecting taxes too, and maybe issue passports for their nationals so they can get through checkpoints.
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November 20, 2021 1:09pm
- Nickc2
  
  Turn your minds back four years when Winston Peters anointed this lot: Did anyone on this Blog foresee such racial disharmony in NZ not only sanctioned by the Govt but actually encouraged?
  Honestly, we couldn’t go any further left without falling off the planet.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:49pm
All_on_Red

Looks like the Coal powered cars are a bit shit
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-last-Consumer-Reports-16632996.php
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November 20, 2021 1:12pm
Gravelroad

Groundswell-
Three of the “racist anti-vaxers” as alluded to recently by that bastion of good taste and moderation, Mr Stuart Nash, are here discussing about going to the latest protest tomorrow.
One said that if it was like last time, he doesn’t want to wait an-hour-and-a-half in the designated area while the hundreds and hundreds of vehicles assembled for the drive past.
He is hoping the organisers will have it more streamlined this time.
Just like at the local pharmacy when all three here went for their covid jabs x2……….
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November 20, 2021 1:16pm
Spring Bank Westie

Got my vaccine certificate, don’t know why it isn’t in an app, and don’t want to be forced to sign up to Apple Wallet or whatever.

So as an old Luddite I’m quite proud that I worked out to do this:

Opened the vaccine email on my iPhone, opened the .pdf document and then screenshotted it (held down the button below the screen and pushed the on/off button at the same time) then saved the resulting photo of the certificate/QR code as my lock screen wallpaper.

So now when I have to show my vax status I only need to power up the phone, not go searching to find the pdf.
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November 20, 2021 1:17pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Congrats, but it’s a bit tragic. My lock screen shows something important: My family, happy on a holiday together.
  
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  November 20, 2021 1:47pm
- kevn
  
  @Spring… Don’t lose your phone.
  
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  November 20, 2021 4:45pm
surfing

Yet another example of the RMA being outdated when it comes to noise pollution….(apologise for posting a Stuff link)….factory hours should be cut immediately and permanent solution found… or, council buys all affected houses in area for market value +20%.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126898883/noisy-factory-thats-killing-a-community-wants-consent–and-to-keep-breaking-the-law
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November 20, 2021 1:31pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The RMA is the problem, not a solution. The solution is tradeable property rights to infringements against neighbours. That would force the company to negotiate acceptable compensation to those affected.
  
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  November 20, 2021 3:50pm
Bridgenag

I miss New Zealand as it was to grow up in and even as it was when I returned. I now miss the radio and the TV and the people, the fun Maori laugh and banter. Hate this new “Partnership” Ao Tear Roa….. sigh
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November 20, 2021 1:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  We have a New Tyranny.
  
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  November 20, 2021 5:29pm
Fletch

This from a release yesterday from the Ministry of Health –

When there is high COVID-19 vaccine coverage (i. e., above 80 percent of eligible people are fully vaccinated), transmission is more likely to occur from a vaccinated than an unvaccinated individual.

Developing a separate pathway for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals will not prevent the risk of inadvertently seeing an infectious person (regardless of vaccination status) without the health care worker being aware, using appropriate personal protective equipment and/or being in an appropriate physical environment.

https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/ministry_of_health_position_statement_on_the_management_of_unvaccinated_individuals_in_healthcare_settings.pdf
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November 20, 2021 2:10pm
ABS4EVA

Look just because this Type of VACCINE
and VACCINE Mandate does not appear to have worked anywhere else in the World very well or let’s say as good as expected (maybe).

After Top up 6 we should have a better Idea.

Don’t Consult or even talk to anyone who might
even be aware of an alternative or alternative
Consultative approach.

Carry on your are RIGHT you always are.
You are amazing.

There is nothing to discuss and there is no need for throthing at the mouth in VACCINE discussion
because people might think you have RABIES.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/india-allows-export-20-mln-novavax-vaccine-doses-indonesia-document-source-2021-11-18/

NEW DELHI, Nov 19 (Reuters) – India has approved the export of 20 million doses of the Novavax (NVAX.O) COVID-19 vaccine made by the Serum Institute of India (SII) to Indonesia, according to a government document seen by Reuters and a government source.

INDONESIA will soon have 20 million doses
of a “in trials” what looks to be a
Very Good Vaccine Solution.

Well Done Indonesia do they know something
we do not?

We will still be getting condescending lectures
and threats and all the usual.

Be Kind to one Another
Team of 5 million. Be Kind.

Be Kind and Listen to Jacinda she knows
everything about anything there is to know
and anything not from Jacinda is ……

Misinformation or worse extremism?

After the Indonesian roll out of NOVAVAX
how extreme the BS we have been subjected to
we can discuss hopefully without …..

Throthing at the Mouth.
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November 20, 2021 2:53pm
waikatosinger

Saw the voices for freedom people protesting in Hamilton at the end of Victoria street. Parked the car and joined them. They gave me a sign to hold. They told me about their website and I am now signed up so I’ll get advance notice of future protests.

Unlike the media narrative those protesting were mostly vaccinated although some antivaxxers (God bless ’em for the eccentrics that they are) were also there. Mostly they are just people who are sick of Jacinda’s oppressive authoritarianism. Well over half the cars passing tooted in support.
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November 20, 2021 3:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very orderly group of 150-200 folk in Gisborne marching from Kaiti into the City.
  
  I didn’t notice any right-wing terrorists amongst them…just seemed to be a mix of folks who looked like (rainbow) Green members; local iwi folk and Playcentre/ Kohanga mum and dads
  
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  November 20, 2021 5:44pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Well done you!
  
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  November 20, 2021 6:17pm
kevn

@ABS…. Aren’t we happy with the plan B Astra Zeneca offering?
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November 20, 2021 4:43pm
Tauhei Notts

Geezas George!
Did you see what won race 8 at Awapuni?
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November 20, 2021 4:59pm
- greybeard
  
  Jacinda?
  
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  November 20, 2021 6:54pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1461626589033160707/photo/1
Graph of weekly excess mortality of 25-45 year olds in USA since start of pandemic. Stays pretty consistent about 700 a week up until July21 (ie about 30-40k total or about 1 in 5000 of that 75million chunk of population over duration of pandemic), then spikes up to 1800 a week after vaccinations rolled out widely to younger age groups.

That appears to be a pretty strong signal for many 1000’s of non-obvious vaccine caused deaths in this age group, but we will have to wait and see if it results in less deaths overall in the longer term. VAccine probably still better than nothing for older part of this cohort (~6x higher risk from covid at 45 than 25) , but perhaps not younger.
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November 20, 2021 5:01pm
trout

Well, what do you know. It appears that Covid is not going to wipe out millions of unvaccinated Africans after all. Covid deaths are significantly less than predicted and there appears to be a link to malaria.
“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research adviser at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”
God forbid that anti parasitic drugs taken to stave off malaria (like for instance, Ivermectin , or Hydrooxychloroquine) are effective against Covid.
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November 20, 2021 6:06pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Might not be the malaria. It could be the vast quantities of antivirals like Ivermectin that are routinely used in many parts of Africa.
  
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  November 20, 2021 10:01pm
Suze Wainwright

Hearing angries on Twitter claiming that the Koch Brothers fund the Taxpayers’ Union. Is that true?
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November 20, 2021 6:12pm
ABS4EVA

Set the Clock or an Alert in your Diary for
6 months after the VACCINE Mandate is complete

Prepare for more Carnage lock downs etc etc

I personally don’t care I can work remotely

I can not believe people in AUS are seriously
thinking the joint is going to Stay Open or go
back to anything NORMAL.

Victoria recorded a slight drop in cases with 1166 new COVID-19 infections reported in the past 24 hours.
Five people died with the virus.
There are currently 9581 active cases in the state.

89% Fully Vaxxed and still 1000+ cases per day?

It is not even Winter?

For People who PREACH at the Shrine of Globalism 24/7

ONLY Novavax offers a global Solution
with its lower temperature of Storage

People move around the Globe

or has no one Watched

Planet of the Apes
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November 20, 2021 7:01pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  ABS4EVA my prediction is that if D Andrews remains in charge of Victoria, it will be in lockdown again come next winter. RUN!!!!
  
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  November 21, 2021 4:56pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/127049556/all-blacks-urged-to-be-ruthless-as-sam-whitelock-hails-sam-canes-leadership
The last intelligent captain for the All Blacks was Sean Fitzpatrick.
None of the subsequent captains have had any idea how to adjust the game to suit the opposition.
Mainly a lot of overrated loose forwards.
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November 20, 2021 7:03pm
Maggie Pie

WAIT A MINIT……FFS

Does anybody honestly believe, those shitty little ‘My Vaccine Pass’ this pathetic government has emailed to people…. are going to be worth the paper they’re printed on?

Well good luck with that in hoods like Mt Roskill 🙁
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