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Read the below article regarding the new radio station planned for the New Year with Tova O’Brian being hailed as the foil to the very successful ZB Moring show with Mike Hosking. With Hosking, and his wife’s show, just receiving the highest ratings in record, I say good luck Tova. I do get the impression Ms O’Brian lives in a bubble of self-importance, but may be in for a real shock when she has to ‘talk’ to the general public and hear the reality of what’s happening out in NZ and what people really think of the current government.
The new entities head of talk and news, Dallas Gurney, takes a cheap shot at Peter Williams and Sean Plunket’s old shows, yet they were also rating topping so I guess we can see where Gurney intends to go and what his agenda will be.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300462896/no-more-magic-talk-mediaworks-unveils-plans-for-new-talk-station-today-fm
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November 26, 2021 8:02am
- bronny1
  
  Wow, does Tova actually have any skills? She hasn’t shown them to date unless being a sycophant is the role they are filling?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:19am
  - rockape
    
    I remember one evening leaving a National party conference in Christchurch and heading for the pub. It was quiet and I saw Tova about to do a piece to camera. I stepped quietly into the shadows. She couldn’t get her lines right and eventually threw a Hussey fit at the poor cameraman because of her failures. Says something about her character. She won’t survive talkback where her opinion is questioned. I bet she insists on a big red “ cut” button on her desk.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:24am
    - rockape
      
      Was going to edit Hussey fit to hissed fit bit then it seemed so appropriate!
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:25am
      - rockape
        
        Spell correct got me there . Should read Hissey fit. Instead of hissed fit bit!
        
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        November 26, 2021 9:51am
      - Harriet
        
        Tova is just embarrassed:
        
        As she knows the whole nation is soon going to refer to her as “Muriel” …..
        
        ….someone who cut and pastes from the social pages……to ‘political journalism’ pages.
        
        All front and no fact! 😎
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s just damn sexist and I should report you… but on 2nd thoughts, I might keep it up my sleeve for 5 years or so.
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:34am
      - sooty
        
        I think that having to “work” would put her off and could she get the headphones on, maybe they come in different sizes!
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:40am
      - Biscuit
        
        Maggy, I made my partner brekky in bed this a.m..
        
        Yeah, yeah, I’m a saint.
        
        The response? ‘What have you done THIS time?’
        
        Sniff, eh?
        
        Still, it’s Black Friday and, out of the goodness of my heart, I am shortly taking her mall-shopping.
        
        Pray for my wallet…
        
        That might put back my trial for the sins I committed half a decade ago back a bit, eh?
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:41am
    - Nickc2
      
      They’ll cut to a commercial break whenever she throws a hissy-fit.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:51am
      - sooty
        
        Would have to be a long one!
        Picking she’s like our darling leader,
        It’s all about her!
        
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        November 26, 2021 2:44pm
    - Jim
      
      Many of the less skilful and more opinionated presenters (e.g. Beverage anyone?) often brutally use the ‘dead mic’ trick. I’ve always wondered how ‘long time listener but first time callers’ feel at been so rudely ‘excluded from the (so called) conversation’
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:26pm
      - stewmar
        
        You mean you listen to beverage???? That says something about both your intellects
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:13pm
  - bruceavon
    
    Doomed to fail. Left leaning talk back never works. Someone started one in the states once and it failed miserably. For a start left wing people don’t listen to talk back. Neither do young people. And good luck going up against Mike Hosking. On the other side they are up against National Radio. And Tova? No chance. They need Paul Henry and he’s too busy enjoying himself. Will be gone in no time.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:09am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    yes – she got rid of Bridges and Collins as leaders. Now she will be using this talk show to clean up the next leader whoever it is going to be.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:52am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Imagine having to deal with people who weren’t previously her flat mates
    
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    November 26, 2021 6:35pm
- Cinematic
  
  It’s going to be ‘solutions based’. Talk back radio the great bastion of free thought will save us all.
  
  Tova will have half a dozen listeners including Jacinda.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:19am
  - ecco
    
    Unfortunately Tova is going to get all the government announcements the night before and Mike won’t. Also Jacinda will appear exclusively on Tova’s show in the morning with any ‘good news’ she has to declare. I don’t think it will dent Mike’s ratings though, he’s got a pretty solid following. I even get up at 5am to listen to Kate, who is also great.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:15am
    - graham
      
      You can listen to NewstalkZB on their website, and it allows you to go back up to 7 days I think. I use it to listen to Kate’s program at a more civilised hour. 🙂
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:07am
      - ecco
        
        Thanks graham. I just look into that. Rather exhausting to get up at 5am!!
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:33pm
    - Bob
      
      ‘good news’ she has to……
      From present performance it will be a long time before Ardern appears on Tova’s new radio show then; if good news is the criteria for appearances.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Talk-back radio – the ill-informed speculating on the unchangeable.
    
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    November 26, 2021 7:58pm
- CaptainCompromise
  
  I’d loved to have been a fly in the wall during the dismissal of Plunket, Banks and Williams. Was pretty obvious they were clearing house, but what they must have said to get rid of them without a peep from them is fascinating.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:21am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    They didn’t say anything. They just handed them each a big fat cheque and a non-disclosure agreement.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:39am
  - bronny1
    
    Money talks!
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      If they didn’t, expect a visit from their lawyers!
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:41am
  - Bill Felt
    
    From Sean’s Twitter this morning:
    
    Sean Plunket
    @SeanPlunket
    Dear Glenn McConnell and ⁦
    @NZStuff
    ⁩ suggest you get your lawyers to look at your untrue and defamatory comments about myself and Peter Williams in this piece. Also if you have want to have a crack have the guts to offer a right of reply.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:48am
    - nathie
      
      Excellent news! That Stuff/McConnell article (and IIRC and earlier article of his too) misrepresented the Banks/Plunket/Williams’ departures by tarring the gentlemen in question with falsehoods, so it would be great if Stuff/McConnell could “correct the record”.
      
      Also another “target” to be addressed is the BSA (Broadcasting Standards Authority). Their rulings against Sean Plunket (and to a degree John Banks) were overtly political IMO and based prematurely on “hate speech” laws for guidance, which do not exist (as no such law has been passed), therefore could be “unsafe” legally, and ought to be challenged?
      
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      November 26, 2021 3:02pm
- Alan1930
  
  It’s not binary; she doesn’t have to rate higher than Hosking to be a commercial success. As a station they only need to attract enough listners to give them an acceptable return on investment.
  
  Whether or not they’ll be able to do that I have no idea, but it’s probably reasonable to assume that they know their market better than we do, and have done their research.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:35am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I thought they just had to parrot enough government propaganda to attract some of the government handouts and advertising spend.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:02am
    - Alan1930
      
      Nah – that’s just KiwiBlog deluded thinking. It may get written here all the time, but it’s still not true.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:47am
  - backster
    
    The Government may also rate her programme so highly that it is awarded a large slice of the 105 million dollar slush fund for journalism.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:51am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m currently watching a wall of paint drying, so won’t be tuning in to that one. That $110m is getting spread pretty thin.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    First or second coat? How is the coverage looking? Having doubts about the choice if colour yet? That repair showing through?
    
    Watching paint dry is not for the faint hearted I am told . . .
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:21am
- nathie
  
  Firstly, why use the same name for a new radio station that was first used by Paul Henry in the 1990’s? Hardly original, and “Today” seems more suited a lightweight tv breakfast/morning show, rather than a “talk radio show”.
  
  Secondly, “Today FM” still doesn’t have a FM frequency for the major Auckland market (and other cities like Tauranga according to a Newsroom article), which will be ratings suicide when up against Newstalk ZB (and Radio NZ). I would guess this was a major hindrance for MagicTalk ratings, so why would it be any different for Today FM?
  
  Thirdly, looks like the station’s focus is somewhat “younger” (and “centrist” … read that as centre-left) and will be “more politically correct” (woke), so will it end up “bland” as it tries to be “non-controversial”, which suggests diversity of opinion will be lacking? If we want lack of diversity of opinion we have Radio NZ so why have another network wanting to emulate RNZ?
  
  Fourthly, no mention of overnight talkback! Can they not bring back the affable and reassuring Tony Amos? Otherwise who wants to listen to a music jukebox or repeated highlights? And what about the weekends? Originally MagicTalk ran more live shows in the weekends (Hayden Rickard was great)!
  
  As for the new hosts they have some good talent but some choices seem odd.
  
  I have no issue with Tova on breakfast (but reckon she will compete more with the stale RNZ Morning Report leftie audience that are aghast at the smug arrogance of its hosts Ferguson and Dann). For me I ditched Morning Report for Hosking on ZB and have no regrets.
  
  Duncan Garner in the morning …. I remember him doing Radio Live drive and although entertaining Garner has this habit of talking alot of crap (he used to trash National all the time with ridiculous statements), might have a quick listen but I have found Kerre Woodham on ZB quite refreshing of late as she bashes the govt’s incompetence and because of her empathy there have been interesting discussions with callers of late that have been hard done by the govt’s covid response. Quite eye opening.
  
  Thank goodness they have retained Leah Panapa … but matching her up with Mark Richardson? I can tolerate Richardson as the smart ass commentator but to put up with him as a co-host for 3-4 hours? No way! To be fair to Danny Watson, after the initial “awkwardness” of Leah and Danny co-hosting the two of them managed to “make it work” and were sounding quite good until they were split up upon Peter Williams’ departure. Looks like Danny misses out in the new lineup, I know people here said they didn’t like him (and yes at times it was testing) but what I worked out was despite Danny’s leftie stance he was a “conservative” at heart and believed in personal responsibility (unlike the rest of the liberal left).
  
  But up against the boring toned sleepy sounding afternoon hosts on ZB (Simon Barnett & co) thankfully Leah will outshine them – go Leah!
  
  Apart from Leah and Pollie in the evening (she did a guest show a year or two ago and was good, besides better her than Marcus Lush of course) I don’t think I’ll be tuning in much to Today FM but good luck I suppose.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:20am
- Flossie
  
  Tova announced on TV yesterday morning after the caucus was finishing up that Judith Collins was gone and Luxon was the new National Party leader.
  I hope Luxon doesn’t get the job now, just to.prove her wrong.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:05am
- piglady
  
  We should ALL make it a priority to call Tova really.
  Trouble is the guard dog you have to speak to beforehand whose job it is to screen the potential discussion you will have with her!
  
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  November 26, 2021 5:30pm
Benedict Yu

Just reflecting on how this drama started.

I was a little surprised to read Jaqui Dean saying that she had still not got over the remarks by Simon Bridges that she overheard when he was conducting a conversation with other people.

“At the time there was an apology, but subsequently it has continued to play on my mind and with the recent reviews that have occurred in Parliament the feelings have been brought back up.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127099113/national-mp-jacqui-dean-speaks-on-inappropriate-simon-bridges-remarks-following-party-turmoil

It is a reminder that these days anything you say or post online can land you in trouble years later, when you have forgotten about it. Or you may be oblivious that it ever caused offence. But there is this ticking time bomb, waiting for someone to set it off.

I understand that workplaces need to be inclusive and I don’t think that sexual banter is appropriate in a work setting. But in work settings people talk about personal stuff. That is how people bond. And you just never know when you are going to press the wrong button.
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November 26, 2021 8:03am
- All_on_Red
  
  Poor Jacqui and her hurty feelings
  What a backstabbing Karen
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:06am
  - G152
    
    Watch her get her reward.
    
    And work out the whos and whats behind this ‘exercise’
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:13am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Only she won’t get her reward now that Collins is toast.
      
      And no one will trust her again.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:06am
      - sooty
        
        Her reward is not standing next election!
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:46am
  - David Garrett
    
    All on: My thoughts exactly. I’m buggered if I know what the whole story is on this, but if the silly tart was really still “hurting” over something she overheard five years ago which wasn’t even directed at her – and arguably wasn’t even sexual banter so much as discussing an old wives tale – then she’s in the wrong fucking job.
    
    She’s 64 years old FFS not 13. It’s a bit late to advise her to get out more. She should quit politics immediately and go back to the farm.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dear David,
      
      As an old wife, I would like to point out that the PC way to describe these methods of sex-specific baby-making are now to be described as “folk wisdom”.
      
      At a press conference this afternoon he framed his comments as “relating to folk wisdom about conceiving daughters rather than sons.”
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300463403/the-problems-with-the-blokey-joke-that-nationals-simon-bridges-made-to-jacqui-dean
      
      I noted that Simon Bridges said he had been repeating an old wives’ tale..and that’s not going down well with the old chooks at the krochet klub.
      
      “We discussed our wives, our children; I can remember talking about the fact I had two boys and I wanted a girl and I engaged in some old wives’ tales about that and how to have a girl and I entirely accept and am regretful of that day, because I acknowledge that some of what I said was clearly inappropriate.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/simon-bridges-regrets-inappropriate-remarks-that-upset-jacqui-dean-but-will-consider-run-for-national-leadership.html
      
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      November 26, 2021 8:49am
      - David Garrett
        
        Maggy: Yes…it’s a very sad day when a bloke has to grovel and apologize – again – for something entirely innocuous which was overheard five years ago.
        
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        November 26, 2021 9:12am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        But did it work, that’s the question – Does he now have a daughter?
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:22am
      - maggiemay
        
        Way back in the day, it was also women that repeated this stuff. Before modern scientific times (way before trained midwives) there were women who assisted in such matters. Priests (?) also looked at the flight path of birds and the entrails of slain animals on certain matters. I’m sure Henry VIII was given lots of advice on how to produce a son.
        So the topic surely cant be an issue as its merely history, however the manner in which it is discussed.
        And surely JD should have rebuked him at the time.
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:58am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Jacqui Dean walked past and heard ‘old wives’ and ‘shallow’
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:40pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Indeed, my wife rolled her eyes when I relayed the alleged banter.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:20am
      - graham
        
        My wife recalled having a similar conversation many years ago, on the subject of how to get twins, with our vicar at the time!
        
        AND, relaying the conversation to his wife who remarked she’d have a thing or two to say to him about that … 🙂
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:04am
    - G152
      
      Oh no not the farm.. There are animals that might baa something cruel or a bull with a bellow.
      She should get a flat in town next to those nice gang members
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:35am
  - Simon
    
    Jacqui Dean is the modern National party. If it was between Greta and farmer’s livelihoods she would go with Greta in a heart beat.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:23am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I guess that’s how she won the Otago electorate (now Waitaki) from David Parker, and has retained it ever since.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:36am
      - hookerphil
        
        Perhaps, Perhaps not.
        Jacqui Dean, referred to by David Garrett as a cardboard cutout who has not done anything useful in 15 years, is my local M.P. Last year prior to the election she came to town and held a meeting cup of tea thing, but only National Party Members were allowed to go. Her election figures went from a 2017 majority of 12,816 to 3168 in this heartland rural electorate. She is part of the problem.
        
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        November 26, 2021 11:20am
  - dime
    
    yeah now shes trying the old “i didnt know what judith would do with the information”.
    
    what a way to end a career.. i mean, its been a garbage career but still.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:29am
    - crikey
      
      Ending whose career? I can see it being Dean (not to be trusted) but, then, did her career even start?
      
      If you mean Judith, I disagree strongly with your ‘garbage career’ comment. She has had a very strong career during her time in parliament and that doesn’t go away.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:24am
  - Overworked
    
    And she is MP for a rural SI electorate? How has she survived for so long? Maybe she just never has anything to do with her constituents?
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:23pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The thing is, I always pictured Collins as the sort of person that would have told Jacqui to put on he big girl pants, and not be such a softy about it, or in other words, one of us.
  
  That she took this action indicates she wasn’t up to the job, and Dean needs to reflect on her conduct as well, given the fallout it’s caused.
  
  Parliament is not for the overly sensitive.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:12am
  - kowtow
    
    if anything it’s an indication of the new era we’re in , the Wokozoic , where adversaries will use the latest taboo to destroy their enemies , all in the name of “equality”.
    
    As an aside , until yesterday all our political parties ( bar Act , which has senior femmes) were led or “co led” ( another Wokism) by persons with vaginas , as is our HoS and her representative here .
    
    Where’s that mythical glass ceiling. Another Big Lie.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:31am
  - Random T Person
    
    Ah, but Slighty…the whole thing was a contrivance to knife Bridges, it had nothing to do with Jacqui’s hurty feelings. The fact this was the best JC could dredge up is pretty impressive, really. Or ‘actually’ as aunty JC is so prone to saying.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We don’t know the truth of this present schemozzle. It must be intended as a hit on Judith–ascribing to her whatever they will.
    Let those lousy journos take up a position as MP and see if they can stand the heat of the job. If they don’t think their attacks are personally damaging they are without feelings.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:55am
    - Alan1930
      
      Did you even take a breath between writing “We don’t know the truth” before concluding 3 seconds later “It must be intended as a hit on Judith”?
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:50am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I’ve saw enough from the inside to decline to take on an MP’s role. They are collectively the highest paid social workers in the country and Labour run to a might is right, no prisoners regime–fundamentally bullies. Any Opposition member and their families has a very hard time.
        
        Truth is frequently murky but as an investigator it’s been my job to pick my way through the smoke screen. I am certain about the bribed media and their taking out MP’s. This apology for an amateur wannabe commie govt whakaArdern is close to criminal in its media bribery.
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:22pm
- alloytoo
  
  There is a certain irony to Dean asking for privacy when she is, by her own admission, an eavesdropper.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:14am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ally: And she is in politics FFS…I think it’s absolutely right and proper for politicians’ families to be left alone but not the politician him or herself. It’s called public life for a reason.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:22am
    - I remember when
      
      And after all that time in Parliament wanting to be asked for her opinion.
      First question that comes along isn’t appropriate.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:41am
- graham
  
  Agree 100% Benedict. Jacqui Dean has apparently been in Parliament since 2005 – how on earth does somebody survive in the cut-throat world of politics for 16 years, and yet allow a relatively innocuous event such as bawdy banter to play on their minds for years?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    graham: Here’s part of your answer: had you ever heard of Jaquie Dean before yesterday?
    
    I was talking to Rodney yesterday: he has an encyclopedic knowledge of politics during his time…he struggled to remember who she was, let alone how long she had been in the House before I arrived. She is a nobody and should have remained so.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:24am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      I hadn’t!
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:08am
      - curry4me
        
        Thought Criminal: Nor had I. She’s a walking advertisement for term limits.
        
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        November 26, 2021 11:56am
      - doggone7
        
        People never heard of Deane? Fair enough, but it surprises me that in forums like this where everyone’s up to their eyeballs in politics, know all the ins and outs and are experts on what politicians should be doing, don’t even know the MPs.
        
        Deane has been a Minister and is an Assistant Speaker. People not having heard of her is a comment on them not her.
        
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        November 26, 2021 9:08pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The whole thing is certainly a great example of the old saw that “the lot on the other side” are merely your opponents, while those around you are your enemies.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s what the media want you to think. What facts, if any, have we actually had? This smells of interviewed keyboards.
    
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    November 26, 2021 6:26pm
- peterwn
  
  This is what was surprising. “The overarching objective of a political party is to get into power and if in power to stay in power”. The Party needs to frame this and hang it in its Caucus room in Parliament and the Boardroom at 41 Pipitea St. I wonder whether Ms Dean thought of this when she re-surfaced her complaint or whether she gave the whole story including that the incident occurred five years ago. If she omitted the age of the complaint or some of the detail to enhance the impact of her complaint (like schoolkids do when complaining to the teacher) then she misled her leader. She arguably has handed Jacinda the next two elections on a plate all because an upset ego got in the way of the reason she was in politics.
  If it were not for Winston’s hovering presence I would argue that Ms Dean and Ms Collins should immediately resign their seats (along with Mr Muller). I consider that given the unstable nature of the National Party caucus one or more by-elections seem inevitable in the current Parliamentary term and Winston has a very good chance of getting back in Parliament.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:19am
  - rockape
    
    With a recession forecast. In Nz for the latter half of 2023 I kind of doubt Labour will find the election a walk in the park and may even try to go 6 months early to avoid that.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:31am
  - gorse
    
    Next two elections? No, two years to run – a lifetime in politics. The voters have short memories.
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:20pm
    - peterwn
      
      Party volunteers may have longer memories and think ‘blow it, there is no point in working for the Party. Why bother’. While the stalwarts would mostly remain eg the Board, Regional, Electorate and Branch Chairs, Secretaries and Treasurers, they could find it hard finding phone bank callers, leaflet droppers, hoarding putter-uppers, scrutineers and all those who help put MP’s into office. They deserve far better from Caucus (rather a few elements of Caucus) than Caucus has delivered in the last few days.
      
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      November 26, 2021 4:03pm
- Ehlana
  
  This part just doesn’t scan for me. The comments reported just don’t seem like the sort of thing that would have an adult woman of the twenty-first century so upset for so long. Especially as they were not directed at, or in a conversation including, her.
  
  And given that an apology was offered and accepted at the time, why would you bring it up now? Isn’t that what “accepting an apology” means – the incident is closed? Otherwise, how is anyone ever to move on from their mistakes?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:27am
  - Ra Henare
    
    You seem to forget full and final settlements for Maori grievances. That keep getting allowed to be relitigated.
    
    A silly pakeha attitude.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:30am
  - Don Beckett
    
    It was a set-up to get rid of Bridges, as Judith saw him as her main competition for leadership, which means she must have believed the media hyped fable that Simon was mounting a leadership challenge.
    Goodbye Judith – and Jacqui Dean (whoever you are)
    If Simon were to win the leadership, Jacqui Dean would surely resign causing a by-election, and thereby getting a decent MP.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:59am
    - peterwn
      
      Winston Peters could well win such a byelection. I would not be surprised if he was not nosing around in the electrorate already.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:37pm
  - Lexicon
    
    It should have been, at most, a roll your eyes moment as she passed by.
    
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    November 26, 2021 2:08pm
- cmm
  
  In this age, everyone seems to feel the need to discuss their most gory details publicly and still people get hurty-feely.
  
  A few years ago I was in the lunch room getting a coffee out of the machine and two women sitting at the nearby table were discussing tampon fit or some such. So what? Should that have got them fired? How about discussing breast feeding?
  
  These are no longer the Victorian ages.
  
  If two women, instead of two men, had been discussing methods to conceive a girl would Dean have felt uncomfortable? Does it only make her uncomfortable because men were saying it?
  
  I think this is a hugely manufactured issue.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    I’ve always been amused , in this oh so precious world how movies like The Full monty and other things in pop culture perhaps Sex in the city, 50 shades , b jones diary are so very chic , acceptable and never subject to the judgementalism that blokes ‘ tits and bum / naughty /soft porn is.
    
    Just more persons with vaginas and media/commentary hypocrisy.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:02am
- amospicton
  
  Actually no – there’s a much more believable story out this morning which is that she mentioned it to Judith a couple of weeks ago with regard to another issue. Sounds like she was taken by surprise yesterday.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    There are at least two options here:
    
    A) Dean and Collins were putting their heads together to come up with some dirt to sling and Dean recalled the indecent from 5 years ago. Collins fired her canon, Dean realised that this didn’t work and is now backpedaling to rebuild her bridges with the caucus.
    
    B) Dean told Collins of this incident in passing intending no consequences. Collins then independently built this into a weapon and fired it, throwing Dean under the bus. Dean was really blameless in the mess and it was all Collins’ doing.
    
    I am inclined to go with (A), mainly because Dean’s story has changed a lot in the last 24 hours. Consider what Dean is saying:
    * She started off with the statement about how hurt she felt, how it had not been addressed 5 years ago and how it had flared up again (and thus needed to be addressed) – clearly trying to fan anti-Bridges sentiment.
    * She then flips to “needing privacy”.
    * And now that it backfired, she says she didn’t intend for anything to happen.
    
    So within 24 hours it has been almost a complete about face. Horseshit lady.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:04am
    - MCōs
      
      If Mrs Dean is to be believed your second scenario is closest and all that victim bashing above is way off the mark.
      Again if Mrs Dean is correct Mrs Collins weaponized her situation to try and tarnish Mr Bridges and it didn’t work.
      Mrs Collins also embellished her support from the board to the point of lying.
      
      The best thing for the Nats right now would be a by election in Papakura & hope they don’t lose the seat.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:31am
    - ex-golfer
      
      “B” is the reality – as outlined in the ODT story today:
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/not-my-intention-dean-disappointed-collins%E2%80%99-move-against-bridges
      
      Dean was played like a fiddle by Collins and was a puppet in this clusterF.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:31am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Was her statement yesterday written by Dean herself, or by the Leader’s Office? That she has contradicted it so quickly in her local rag suggests that it might have been the latter.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:38am
      - cmm
        
        “Was her statement yesterday written by Dean herself”
        
        Which one? She has made three statements (including the leave me alone – I want my privacy one).
        
        If the first statement about how hurt she still feels and recent events bring it to the foreground again was made up by Collins to throw her under the bus, then she would likely have said so.
        
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        November 26, 2021 9:59am
    - amospicton
      
      I favour B simply because I don’t believe anyone could have survived in politics for as long as Dean has and been the level of snowflake that A implies. If it is B though I would think Judith’s off her Christmas card list – she’s really been thrown under the bus.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:43am
    - RightNow
      
      C) Dean fed Collins the information in the hopes it would blow up and take down Collins while also smearing Bridges. Watch for her to be deputy leader on someone’s ticket.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:08am
      - cmm
        
        Interesting.
        
        Dean hoping for a deputy leader ticket is JLR-level delusion. She’s a complete backbencher no leadership qualities at all.
        
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        November 26, 2021 2:33pm
- pdm
  
  Seems a set up to me.
  
  Jacqui Dean is a mature lady with an excellent reputation as an electorate MP in particular.
  
  I am absolutely sure she would have heard much worse during her life so hard to understand why she would be involved in this fiasco.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    She does appear to be very popular in her electorate and held on to it during that rayleen red wave , unlike many others.
    
    And yes believing any media agenda driven account of the affair is dangerous as they are scummy bottom feeders who can’t be trusted.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    “Jacqui Dean is a mature lady with an excellent reputation as an electorate MP in particular.”
    
    Really? Looking at the results she was getting, her margin has steadily dropped off through the years in a solidly National seat.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:11am
  - Ceepar
    
    I would agree with your last comment pdm, to me it seems hard to understand. Except didn’t she complain about the comment 5 years ago?
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:33am
- Alan1930
  
  Politicians repeatedly get called everything from genocidal murders to narcissistic control freaks on a daily basis and it bounces off them like water off a ducks back …
  
  … but when Bridges engages in a bit of “pub chat” (that’s also been said by many others over the decades) that wasn’t even directed at her and she’s still affected by it 5 years later?
  
  Nah – not buying it.
  
  IMO Collins was sick of the job – saw the writing on the wall – and decided to launch a kamikazee mission to “go out with a bang”. Been there, done that myself.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    The point of a kamikaze mission is to attack the enemy’s ships. Not your own side.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:29am
    - Alan1930
      
      Which is in essence what she’s done; it was such a gross over-reaction to the alleged “offence” that it’ll drive up support for Bridges from those who believe he was “wronged”.
      
      Think of it as a “Dear Simon. Merry Christmas. You’re welcome. Love Judy” card.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t feed the rats. Hit pieces on Collins by proxy must be stopped. Who’s next–whoever National nominate as Leader.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:59am
  - Alan1930
    
    Antivaxxers spreading misinformation are the ones that need to be stopped.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What misinformation would that be? I keep seeing the word thrown around by stenographers in the media and Covidian cultists but they never get around to telling us what the actual misinformation is?
      
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      November 27, 2021 8:07am
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought we were above “feelings” as an intellectual/navigational waypoint. Perhaps she belongs on the red or green bus.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:02am
- Clyde
  
  Much more is revealed in this mornings ODT where, according to Dean, she discussed Bridges’s comment with Collins some weeks ago in relation to work being done on behaviour in Parliament. According to Dean, she was surprised to see this discussion used as an excuse to roll Bridges.
  
  Collins says that she only heard of the Bridges comments in the previous day before demoting him. Collins also said that she had the unanimous support of the National Party Board which also turns out to be incorrect.
  
  The only conclusion to be drawn is that Collins lied and was determined to bring down Bridges when she realised that she no longer had the support of caucus as Leader.
  
  But Dean is also either stupid or naive. I think a mixture of the two. And as such, if I was her, I’d be letting her electorate know they need to find a replacement. The South is not well served by National Party members despite it being the home of many traditional strong rural communities. Time to look hard in those areas and identify some candidates with traditional values.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:26am
- rouppe
  
  Now she’s saying she had no intention of it blowing up, it was a private conversation…
  
  I for one don’t believe her, or she was incredibly naive.
  
  Also, if it was playing on ones mind why wouldn’t Jaqui go and talk to Simon? What was she trying to achieve by going to the leader?
  
  Something smells real bad in the whole situation
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:32am
- Bob
  
  Dean shouldn’t have ben eaves dropping on a private conversation between friends.
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:53am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I reckon Dean and Collins cooked this up between them. Collins had a rush of blood to the head having heard Simon was going to roll her so decided to get in first. If she was ethical and had some morals ( both a distant stranger to pollies) she would have worked out a solution behind closed doors then annouced she was resigning as Leader and introduced the new Leader and Deputy if Shane wasnt going to continue.
  That would have taken the wind out of the medias sails and minimised any support damage.
  
  Instead of being big and making it about the Party Collins as with all pollies made it about her and that why I have absolutely no time or respect for the political class.
  
  They dont represent the Kiwi mentality. They are a bunch of feral venal arseholes selfcentred and narcisstic.
  
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  November 26, 2021 12:29pm
- Jim
  
  Bridges’ comment in that context would be in the ‘foothills of indecency’ if it were said last week…..except in a woke cancel culture world where people pretend to be victimised to be adorned with social justice credits.
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:37pm
Yvette

Judith Collins heads to pub after losing National leadership
1News understands Collins was there with a number of staff and other MPs including Melissa Lee, and John Mitchell who served as her Chief Press Secretary.
“She’s in good spirits … there’s, dare I say it a weight lifted off her shoulders,” Mitchell said.

Collins was also asked for her opinion as she left the pub [clever timing]. She quickly ruled out backing Bridges or Mark Mitchell for the role, but said Christopher Luxon is intelligent and “a nice man.” [1]

I suppose that will now be a trend up-coming in the new “fourth-estate-has-become-fifth-column” reporting –
We asked Judith:
Today in Parliament, new National Leader Luxon said he supported the legislation, but ex-Leader Judith Collins disagreed and said “Indeed I was wrong, again – he is not a nice man”

Pity this “journalist” didn’t have the balls (oops! – sorry, they are a female, so I meant “didn’t have the ovaries” – a Simonism) to ask the likes of Ardern, “What the fuck use is a Vaccine Pass Expiry Date referenced to the random arbitrary download date of that Pass from the Internet, when an EXPIRY Date should relate to the Pfizer fizzle out time from your second vaccine injection? Jacinda, have you arranged for the national danger of a potential 4.2 million invalid misinformed Vaccine Passes?
But mentioning National, what do you think of what Judith Collins thinks of new nice man Leader Luxon?”

See? – it’s started already:
‘Lost respect’: Why commentator says Collins’ backing of Luxon means little”
– even although little is in Labour and was of little use to them, apart from launching Jacinda into stardustom. Damn it!

[1] – https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/25/judith-collins-heads-to-pub-after-losing-national-leadership/
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November 26, 2021 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The fact that Judith doesn’t like Bridges is a good reason to pick him.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    I rather like the combination of Bridges and Reti.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:26am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Or Bridges and Stanford
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:07am
    - curry4me
      
      allytoo: That’d work. Reti would still be able to concentrate on health. And, he doesn’t strike me as an ambitious back stabber.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  National need bulldogs with $200M bribes for collars.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:02am
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-delta-outbreak-doctors-warn-of-new-virus-strain-found-in-botswana-with-incredibly-high-number-of-mutations/NZKREKR5H7N7AZQKQ3KYR2D2RE/

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water……

The ‘science’ trolls clearly don’t want to crawl back under their collective rocks.
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November 26, 2021 8:04am
- westernScientest
  
  Back in lockdown when the bureaucrats and pollies are back from summer holidays. Im picking late Feb or March
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:26am
- Alan1930
  
  So when qualified & respected virologists document scientific findings that a virus that’s mutated in the past has mutated again – and the mutation is out in the wild in 3 countries – it’s “trolling”- but when “Frank the tank” (who doesn’t know his COVID arse from his elbow) “calls them out”it’s gospel?
  
  Do you have any idea how disconnected from reality you sound?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Anyone who has studied the first thing about viruses know that they reproduce rapidly in favourable environments and RNA viruses have high mutation rates.
    
    That might be news to politicians who never did NCEA level One Biology, but it shouldn’t be a surprise to MoH boffins…who should have some plans in place for when new Covid-19 variants arrive on our shores.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      From what I gather viruses mutate as you say. When left alone they mutate to become more transmissible but lest dangerous. Viruses don’t normally want to kill the host. They want to survive.
      Vaccinating heavily during an actual pandemic is apparently not a very smart thing to do, otherwise you force the virus to mutate faster and more aggressively. Any new and dangerous strains will be due to the aggressive vaccination programmes.
      
      The Whoreald article is not there because it is newsworthy, it is there to support Ardern’s insane drive to jab everyone, pure and simple. This was never about health.
      Have a look at this letter someone received from Medsafe regarding their concerns around an adverse event after the jab. This is the level of insanity we are reaching. The person who had the adverse event responded beautifully. That letter is below the first one.
      
      https://t.me/CoronvirusPlushie/1732
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:45am
      - Local Miller
        
        This Medsafe reply says 2 critical things:
        1) There’s a high volume of correspondence coming into CARM which implies there are a lot more adverse events than we are being told.
        2) They are trying to hid the number of adverse events by pushing this down to your GP rather than tracking them as they should.
        Further evidence that Adverse Events are higher than we are being told.
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:43am
      - kowtow
        
        “Whoreald” .
        
        Excellent .I’m gunna use dat.
        
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        November 26, 2021 11:05am
      - Bullion
        
        No, having the virus spread a lot gives it the chance to mutate. The virus doesn’t care if it kills its host if its still able to efficiently spread, if it was killing people quickly then a weaker strain may eventuate but given how long people are infectious with covid it doesn’t seem to matter how deadly the disease is. Could argue that lockdowns and quarantine for those sick would result in weaker strains as stronger strains will result in reduced chance of transmissiblilty due to lockdowns and/or quarantines.
        
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        November 26, 2021 4:48pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Don’t encourage them or they will have NZ on Level 5 permanently. Cinders is not bright enough to think for herself but does love her apparent power and accompanying sycophants.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:09am
    - Alan1930
      
      “Anyone who has studied the first thing about viruses know that they reproduce rapidly in favourable environments and RNA viruses have high mutation rates.”
      
      So best we vaccinate ASAP to stop them reproducing then, because nowhere near enough are smart enough to practice effective infection control …
      
      “That might be news to politicians who never did NCEA level One Biology, but it shouldn’t be a surprise to MoH boffins…who should have some plans in place for when new Covid-19 variants arrive on our shores.”
      
      There are only so many tools in the toolbox; they’ve bought time with lockdowns – provided relief to accected businesses and employees – got a vaccination program up and running for the smart – and are now transitioning to a framework that will (hopefully) spare the health system from being overloaded. That’s all the tools there are. Unfortunately, a small percentage of idiots are hell-bent on screwing everybody over due to their idiotic “thinking”.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Glad you think the Government is doing well…
        
        Seems other folks think otherwise…
        https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/26/health-system-wasnt-prepared-for-delta-sir-brian-roche/
        
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        November 26, 2021 7:30pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yes but when qualified and respected virologists and others disagreed with the covid narrative they were mercilessly shut down, smeared and vilified.
    This is nothing more than the usual fear porn from the Whoreald. There are thousands of stories out there telling about the “horrors” of covid. There are equally thousands of stories showing that the narrative is complete bs, that covid is nothing more than a harsh type of flu, that alternative treatments than jabbing everyone are being heavily suppressed.
    The Whoreald is heavily in the pocket of the single source of truth emanating from the 9th floor. If they attempted even a modicum of balance then this story might be worth reading. They don’t and it isn’t. It’s fear porn and clickbait, plain and simple.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:37am
  - Frank the tank
    
    [grow up, childish abuse is not adding anything – Mod]
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Qualified and respected ?
    
    Like al those scientists who had connections to funding the Wuflu lab and signed the letter in the Lancet claiming it was a conspiracy theory about the lab escape .With no declaration of conflict of interest .
    
    Respected ?
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:10am
- RightNow
  
  If this new variant is resistant to the Pfizer vaccine (e.g. from Original Antigenic Sin) then I would suggest NZ is in for a very rough 2022.
  As the meme goes… Unvaxxed sperm is the new Bitcoin!
  And it’s just shot right up 😉
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:13am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I hear there have been a 100 deaths from the vaccine in NZ and suicides are triple the usual number. Health Dept have been told not to release either numbers. But the numbers will come out.
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:13pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Or … there’s been 1 death from the vaccine in NZ, and the Ministry of Health has released those details.
    
    I’m bemused about just how anyone could keep 100 deaths occurring within 9 months a secret.
    
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    November 26, 2021 4:30pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They haven’t been kept a secret. But the cause of death has been lied about. The truth will out.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:26pm
      - virtualmark
        
        So 100 deaths are due to the vaccines but somehow, miraculously, a conspiracy has covered that up.
        
        Riiiigggghhhtttt.
        
        I don’t know any way a conspiracy could keep a secret that big.
        
        You guys sound/are unhinged.
        
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        November 27, 2021 8:58am
artemisia

Three Waters advertising programme, really weird and now the latest in the series cancelled, was based on a secret report. Some smart investigation over at BusinessDesk (not currently behind the paywall) based mainly on OIA requests. Sadly the OIA responses were egregiously out of time and with rather important Information redacted, ignored, or eventually said to not exist.
The journalist, Nikitin Sallee cleverly sought input from Leo Donnelly, who might know a bit about the OIA after his 32 years in the Ombudsman Office. More to come, for sure – BusinessDesk has asked for the (non) release to be reconsidered..

businessdesk.co.nz/article/public-sector-project/three-waters-ad-campaign-was-based-on-secret-report
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November 26, 2021 8:04am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  The 3 waters theft and unmandated Maori sovereignty needs to be hung around the neck of the government, it’s a shame the main opposition party is too narcissistic and busy being offended at itself to give a fuck about the country anymore.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why blame National for Labour’s bribery of the media to close down the Opposition?
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:12am
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      I don’t, it’s precisely because Labour have been so underhand that we need political pushback from a functional opposition.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:49pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Indeed. But the voters don’t like the Opposition in bulldog mode. That is why the Labour media bribes work. A targeted MP is denied right of reply or the words are so twisted as to give a negative message. Any fightback is itself twisted. The truth is irrelevant compared to the smoke generated.
        
        If I was running the show at present I would be tempted to pull all the Opposition MP’s out of Parliament. That would tell Ardern and her mobsters they had a real fight. Could they continue on their own, would the Gov General allow them?
        
        We have a constitutional problem with a rogue government courtesy of MMP, Winston and Covid with and underlying hidden WEF agenda seemingly being implemented by their alumni PM. How do we get rid of them. NZ cannot afford the delay or the bill for the future.
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:41pm
All_on_Red

What does National actually stand for?
Anyone know?
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November 26, 2021 8:05am
- burt
  
  I think all National stands for now is vaccination. No more, no less.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:08am
  - westernScientest
    
    I am sure that is up for negotiation though
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lost me there. I don’t think anyone knows anymore.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:09am
- CJames
  
  How much of this is to do with MPs coming into the house too early and not having any real world experience outside politics? There is a lot to be said for no new MPs under 45 – they have normally sorted themselves out by then
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:13am
  - David Garrett
    
    CJ: No, 45 is leaving it a bit late… but the American Founding Fathers knew a thing or two when they decided you had to be 35 to run for president.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Billy Connolly once said “The desire to be an accountant should bar you from ever actually becoming one”.
    The same should apply to politicians, like Ardern who studied politics and PR at university. What a combination!! Anyone who studies politics and looks at it as a career choice shouldn’t be allowed near the post.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      Politicians and Priests should spend at least 20 years in the real world before they enter politics.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:50am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  For doing what Labour does. But better! And in blue!
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:13am
- cmm
  
  Labour, just competent.
  
  If you take Labour’s policies and National’s policies and print them on white paper and put them side by side then can you really tell any differences?
  
  There might be a slight difference in the way the policies are framed, but most people would struggle to tell them apart.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:15am
  - Alan1930
    
    Welcome to politics.
    
    Never make the mistake of assuming that voters know what’s good for them; they only know what they want – not what they need.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:56am
    - mawm
      
      Maybe voters do not know what is good for them but politicians will shape their policies to appease them. Unfortunately the dumbing down of the electorate is like a runaway train.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:39pm
  - rockape
    
    So mandating for 3 waters is the same as promising to reverse it? Really !
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:39am
- Simon
  
  “What does National actually stand for?”
  
  Most of National are neolib globalists. They are just in love their “idea” of what Joe Biden represents to them.
  
  2/3 of National belong in Labo. They will be much happier in Labo. The other 1/3 believe in ACT policies but are too scared to say this. Very scared. The truth can be unpleasant. Instead they just utilise ACT policies when they can.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:20am
  - Milhous
    
    Hey Simon, 2015 called….they want their swivel eyed loon nativism back.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And Ardern is not a globalist? She’s a card carrying member of the NWO WEF Alumni branch.
    Implementing their policies behind NZ’s back is traitorous.
    My wife was horrified by the latest revelation NZ is preparing for digital currency.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:18am
    - Alan1930
      
      I’d like to see this card. Can you point me to a photo or scan of it please.
      
      Didn’t think so.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:04pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        A1930: If you’ve been a good citizen and downloaded your Covid Passport, you have your future digital currency wallet. Congrats Comrade!
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:23pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There is a ref to the WEF Young Leaders classes on Google. The PM is named there. They keep in close private contact with their associates.
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:44pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        20 seconds on Google will find the evidence of Arderns graduation from the WEF Young Global Leaders programme. Great to know an unelected organisation funded by billionaires is training our politicians, I mean what could possibly go wrong?
        
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        November 27, 2021 8:15am
- thirteenstars
  
  Ask any Nat supporter: they stand for the centre. They bestride it like a Colossus. And when the centre moves, they shuffle their colossal feet and bestride anew.
  
  This means any policy is possible at any time. Whatever makes the most sense. The need to attract more women, Maori and Pasifika is an imperative, and the message needs to be explained in a special kind of way so the luvvies who voted Labour in droves last time can be induced to vote National next time.
  
  That’s what they stand for. All things to all people, just with heaps more harder and faster. Seems like a doubleplusgood strategy.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bullseye. This is one of the better descriptions of National’s positioning I’ve read.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:55am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Auckland and Chinese money.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:12am
- curry4me
  
  All_on_Red: Um…. possibly. But they’re not in the caucus, or on the board.
  
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  November 26, 2021 12:06pm
Yvette

DIY rapid antigen tests available at pharmacies as part of billion-dollar package to cope with COVID-19 in the community
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/diy-rapid-antigen-tests-available-at-pharmacies-as-part-of-billion-dollar-package-to-cope-with-covid-19-in-the-community.html
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November 26, 2021 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Took their time in arriving.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:22am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Now if Ardern would just lift her ban on antibody testing which she imposed in mid 2020 for some strange reason…….then we could test to see if we already have natural immunity. Oh, that might mean you don’t need the jab, can’t have that can we.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:59am
- Ruahine
  
  Cactus has some thing to say about the Gov’t and the kits.
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Imagine having to let a pharmacist assistant do the test for you…
    In Singapore every family has been issued with 6 free COVID-19 antigen rapid test (ART) kits.
    
    Are NZers incapable of following a few written or videoed instructions?
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:00am
    - westernScientest
      
      WTF in what world would anyone think that would work. Clearly you need to be able to have a few at home for if you are about to go somewhere with people at high risk, or have a bit of a tickle in your throat. If you have to go to a pharmacy, really who is going to bother? it will be the same 30% of the population that go to get a PCR every few weeks, everyone else will just carry on with their day.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:19am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      We are perfectly capable but the government has trust issues with us.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:34am
      - sooty
        
        Cindy thinks you just might put it in the wrong orifice.
        No karen it doesn’t tell you if your pregnant either!
        
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        November 26, 2021 11:06am
      - mawm
        
        Control issues! You are not allowed to think for yourself and many are very happy with that.
        
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        November 26, 2021 12:45pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Its another way to provide funds to pharmacies. You dont think they(Pharmacies) will do it for free do you?
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Perhaps Singapore’s level of family education, ability
      and intelligence is somewhat higher than ours ?
      
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      November 26, 2021 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  From the article;
  
  Little “The vast majority of people who get COVID will have mild to moderate symptoms and won’t require hospital care,……..”
  
  That’s the second time a senior muppet has said that , Ardern did earlier in the week too.
  
  Note how the messaging has changed .
  
  From dire death and world ending plague , to mild symptoms . Something many of us have said from the start.
  
  So what’s it all been for ?
  
  As to the rapid test . Note it must be done under supervision in the pharmacy . More distrust and control.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:48am
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s inane.
    
    The rapid tests should be handed out like friggin condoms during the AIDS epidemic, for use when you’re feeling a bit crook and shouldn’t go out in public.
    
    A positive test should get a care package courier to you much like the Indian kit.
    
    This isn’t friggin rocket science.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:30am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      The stupidity is unbelievable. So I’ve got symptoms and I think I have COVID….let me wander down to my local pharmacy and perform the test there, spreading the virus to everyone on the way including the poor pharmacist! The idea is you keep a bunch of them in your cupboard for when you might need them, if it comes up positive you self-isolate.
      
      To borrow a description from Jordan Peterson, this is yet another example of Labour’s low resolution thinking.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    “We are saving millions of lives through lockdowns!,” what, lockdowns have failed? PIVOT. “Covid is mostly a mild disease, but we still need to lockdown the unvaccinated. “
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:41am
  - Spoff
    
    Perhaps we should choose a different model(ler)?
    https://mises.org/wire/low-vaccination-rates-africas-covid-deaths-remain-far-below-europe-and-us
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I was offered one last week prior to an appointment with an eye specialist. I have zero symptoms and have been nowhere of risk. I live VERY rural. I asked what was the point and was told so the doctor didn’t have to wear all of the PPE to see me. I was considering it so as not to inconvenience the doctor, but I asked the nurse, how accurate is it? He told me “around 50%”! So I run the risk of being deemed coid positive and all the shit that comes with that based on a coin toss?? Not a chance.
  As it turns out, when I got in to see the doctor he didn’t bother with the PPE anyway so he obviously wasn’t terrified.
  The rapid antigen tests might be useful, but I don’t know where!! How can a test that is only 50% accurate be of any use for anything? The toss of a coin would be just as reliable.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:57am
  - westernScientest
    
    50% accurate is nothing like a coin toss unless half of people tested are positive. It dosnt mean that it gets it right half the time, it means a true positive (as defined by PCR i suspect) is accurately identified half the time. So the real chances of the test being wrong are actually quite small. Take 2 or 3 of them and if they are all the same you can be pretty sure the result would be the same as the PCR.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:16am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I was offered one, not 2 or 3. And the PCR test is utterly unreliable run at a ct of 40 as is the case in NZ.
      It’s a completely meaningless basis for a vaccine certificate scheme. Totally inane.
      “True positive as defined by PCR”. That has to be the joke of the year. You have no concept about how the PCR test works. Or do you also claim it’s the “gold standard”? You are “dreamin mate”.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:33pm
  - Local Miller
    
    The Co. I work for has a head office with support staff in the SI, and their preferred option for junior support staff is to work from the communal office as it accelerates staff learning. They have at least some staff who don’t want the Fizzer Vax, and given my stand and “maturity” the boss and I discussed some company policy. My “ideal” recommendation was for all staff to have a rapid antigen test, say every 2 weeks. Any positive test and you had to work from home for X days and only return after a negative test.
    To me this would be a good use of Rapid Antigen tests.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:54am
    - mawm
      
      That would be pointless. What happens for the other 13 days when anyone could have become infected? I don’t know the cost of the test but a daily test before entering the office is the only way one would be able to have some control of infection within an office.
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:50pm
- Fletch
  
  Some of that would have been better spent on Ivermectin. Then we could have ended all this.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  But what’s their success rate?
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Kev as per my personal experience a week ago, I was told by the nurse that the Rapid Antigen Test is 49-50% accurate. If it comes up positive you are required to have the also inaccurate PCR test. Presuming it is still done at ct of 40 as per the OIA that revealed that figure.
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:22pm
Simon

Leadership contests for the genuine center right like ACT must be straight forward. You list your beliefs and principles in the most convincing manner.

For left like Labo or Greens its who ever has the most “prolier than thou” rubbish. Like James Shaw I didn’t have a drivers license sort of fake shit the left so love.

Problem with National is they are dead ender neolib globalists. They don’t really stand or anything except claim to better able to micromanage society better than Labo. God knows what they appeal to on an individual basis? Whoever can sell NZ to Blackrock or the CCP the quickest?
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November 26, 2021 8:09am
cmm

That activist Espiner is getting yet another opportunity to spout her vitriol.

“Deprivation is preventing access to the Pfizer vaccine”: Proof is a graph showing higher deprivation and lower vaccination rates correlate. As always, correlation is not causation.

Deprivation does not “prevent” access to the Pfizer vaccine. Far more likely it is some common factor that causes both.

If we graphed vaccination vs KFC consumption, or vaccination vs failing WOF, or vaccination vs education, or vaccination vs wagging school, or vaccinations vs amount of benefit recieved we’d very likely see the same trends.

Does eating KFC prevent you from accessing the vaccine? Does wagging school? Does getting the dole? Nope.

Instead these are all markers for taking the loser offramp of the highway of life.

Perhaps Espiner thinks more people would get vaccinated if they got less dole? I guess she would ignore that graph.

Nope. The only possible cause is systemic racism in the health system. And the only possible solution is to make it even more racist.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/127093819/hospital-services-for-mori-hostile-and-racist-review-finds
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November 26, 2021 8:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  Another patronising piece from some-one who thinks she is special.
  Go to any hospital and see the make up of the staff. Probably the most multicultural work place you can come across.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:15am
  - TripeWryter
    
    True, Alex.
    I was in hospital last month after a suspected stroke. I was tended to by two lovely Irish women doctors, the nursing staff were mostly Filipina and Indian – they called everybody ‘darling’ – and in the night my blood pressure was monitored by a lovely Maori nurse.
    The most golden moment of all was the elderly Maori or Pacific Island nurse aid who asked me at 10pm, when I was admitted to the ward, if I’d had anything to eat.
    I hadn’t eaten since about midday. ‘You just lie there, darling, and I’ll get a meal together for you.’
    It was chicken with vegies. And it was beautiful. I’ve never complained about hospital food.
    But what you know what was the best bit? When I was discharged the next day and no-one presented me with a bill.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:34pm
- Alan1930
  
  Individuals need to learn to accept personal responsibility for their actions. Maori vaccination rates are lower because more maori have chosen not to be vaccinated.
  
  End of.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:00am
  - amospicton
    
    Congrats Alan – spend long enough in this ‘forum of truth’ and you begin to see the light!
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:32am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Oh dear, ‘forum of truth’ has a very similar sound to the ‘podium of struth’ and that does not seem to be aging well . . .
      
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      November 26, 2021 3:01pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I wonder if doctors like this actually treat any patients?
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:04am
  - westernScientest
    
    I really hope not
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:21am
  - Cassandra
    
    With any luck not me! This divisive stuff has now reached the point where I’m not too sure I want to be treated by doctors who are not culturally sensitive (to my culture, that is). What a cockup. One of the finest doctors I know (and I worked in the medical field for 35 years) is a gay Maori. No cultural BS with him – he just gets on with treating every patient superbly. But he is 50. The likes of these new doctors peddling their woke racism are a different breed and I’d like them to keep well away from me.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:35am
- Jim
  
  I had to laugh when I saw the two staged perfect portrait photographs of her in the article……..a perfect narc tell.
  
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  November 26, 2021 5:24pm
Gravelroad

Jacqui Dean says she was surprised Judith Collins raised the Simon Bridges incident

Back peddling much in personal damage control.
Ms Dean MP has been in Parliament a long time.
Long enough to know how things work.
She now says she didn’t realise what would happen after her heart to heart with the boss.
She willingly facilitated the sacking of a team mate – hope she got a buzz out of it.
Time for her to go too.
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November 26, 2021 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anyone want to buy a bridge?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:27am
  - Yvette
    
    Steve, it’s ‘bridges’
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:01am
- The Boss
  
  Politicians are often verbally abused, some get death threats, some even get attacked physically. If one cannot digest a comment made five years ago, you really should not be there.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:28am
  - amospicton
    
    But she is still there right? Which adds to my opinion that Judith’s story simply made no sense. Dean did not go to her to make a complaint about Bridges. Collins was made aware of the event a few weeks ago and used it to make sure she took Bridges down with her. A kamikaze attack.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Even in today’s cancel culture it is nuts. “Hey boss I overheard Simon say something 5 years ago and I was offended. I am still not over it.” “Oh OK then he is gone.”
  
  Where does it end? If I am in a work setting and over morning tea I say “Homeopathy is rubbish”. Can a pro homeopathy fellow worker get me sacked because I am not inclusive? You may think that is crazy but I am convinced that it is a plausible scenario.
  
  There are certainly things these days that you simply cannot say in certain settings, and that net is being cast wider. For example any public servant that questioned the “Maori Science” orthodoxy would have a career ending experience. It is simply not a subject that is open for debate. Which in itself is frightening.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:35am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Feelings reign supreme in these sensitive times, to the exclusion of logical thought. To the point that human rights are being stripped from some people at the demand of others with irrational feelings on certain issues.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:21am
  - Random T Person
    
    Hey your comments on homeo gave me subluxonations har har har
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:08am
- ecco
  
  Wonder what Dean’s majority was at the last election or is she a list MP? Never heard of her before. She can live with the infamy of this incident for the rest of her days.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    google is your friend.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:01am
- Cassandra
  
  Peddling might be better but I’m sure you mean pedaling or pedalling.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:36am
Frank the tank

I warming to Uncle Fester being the leader of the National party.

Sure I won’t vote for them again and neither will most +30 meat eating, heterosexual males HOWEVER with his adoption of corporate woke virtue signaling pidgin English he might just attract enough of the under 30 white collar middle management idiots that think Brenda is awesome to make up the 6-7% gap in a couple years’ time.

Clearly now Act is the party for me. Kinda like going from undies to boxers in my late teens – things change, I shouldn’t fight it and indeed welcome corporate woke virtue signalers into the National Party leadership.

It’s all about the center right getting in and let’s be fair Act has for the majority of the time, had the better policies.

Let’s think of this strategically.
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November 26, 2021 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I always thought it was funny how when he was head of Air New Zealand he tried to message it as a “sustainable” airline. He got rid of newspapers in the lounge. Because of the environment. 🙂 This is a company that consumes about 10 billion litres of Jet A1 annually 🙂 And millions of plastic cups.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:41am
  - krazykiwi
    
    He got rid of newspapers in the lounge to reduce opex, and dressed it up as sustainability. Clearly not transparent in the small things.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:53am
    - cmm
      
      If that’s how he reduces opex then it’s pretty silly.
      
      Everyone going into a Koru lounge probably costs at least $5 to feed and water – if not $20. To worry about the cost of a few newspapers is penny wise, pound foolish.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:17am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I don’t think Air New Zealand ever turned a profit from me on any domestic flight.
        
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        November 26, 2021 9:23am
      - cmm
        
        Good on yah RP: Nice to see my tax dollars at work!
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:00am
      - sooty
        
        If the ferald didn’t supply free newspapers for the Koru lounges, I bet that they were at mates rates!
        
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        November 26, 2021 11:12am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Luxon also got rid of cloth hand towels and replaced with paper towels in Business Class, and replaced decent wine with cheap stuff. But he certainly didn’t drop the price of those business class seats. Many travellers in that class noticed and were not happy.
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It was certainly amusing to see the Koru club members whining that there were no free papers and they had been too busy to buy one on the way into the lounge.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:33am
  - westernScientest
    
    but he got rainbow certifications so its all ok
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:02am
    - sooty
      
      So what’s the difference between him and the Qantas gentleman running that airline?
      Doesn’t seem much to me!
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:15am
  - Alan1930
    
    The impact isn’t determined by the largest contributor; it’s cumulative.
    
    Newspapers in the lounge is something that he could change; short of replacing aircraft with push bikes (which probably wouldn’t make for a compelling business model for Air NZ with anyone but the greenies) there’s not a lot they can do about the 10 billion litres of Jet A1.
    
    And I’m sure that if you’d like to bring your own cup they’d be happy to fill it.
    
    Incidentally, in 2018, at 35km per litre per passenger they were just behind Hainan & ANA on 36km per litre per passenger to take 3rd place in 20 asia airlines; Qantas was dead last at 22km per litre per passenger.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:12am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Kiwibloggers don’t like Qantas because of something to do with the Wallabies.
      
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      November 26, 2021 9:34am
  - Taieri
    
    That’s what all corporations do. Another example is getting rid of plastic bags by the supermarkets. Countdown’s done it voluntarily before the law banning the bags was passed. How much additional income (and profit) it resulted in?
    Remember reading a story about an airline reducing number of olives in onboard meals by one. Apparently it resulted in the saving of 10 cents per olive. Not much if you carry 1000 passengers annually. Quite a lot if you carry 50 million of them.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    Classic tokenism eh Ben. But the thing about tokenism is it works, people flying on jets want to FEEL like they are being responsible by eliminating the little things.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:09am
- septic skeptic
  
  I reckon he would go with the Greens rather than ACT if given the chance.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:52am
- mortis
  
  To those who say National is going left, I say they need to take voters from Labour. Let Act take the right because National must win the middle to get rid of this government.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:05am
  - cmm
    
    What’s the point of getting rid of this government if National have red-washed themselves so much that they might as well just be Labour?
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:19am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Because they’ll have an equally large Act to the right of them so policies will be centre-right as opposed to centre-left.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:59am
  - westernScientest
    
    The point is more that the Nats should be convincing people as to why their principles and ideas will lead to a better society than labours (or ACTs). They shouldn’t be trying to create principles around a focus group of swing voters. Doing so results in ever changing inconsistent principles where no one knows what they stand for, and them always heading more and more to the left, rather than convincing people why the principles of the right will lead to a better and more prosperous society for all.
    
    Labour (and the left generally) are actually not bad at this, as horrible as their principles are, and as poor as their arguments are and this is why the west is slowly creeping left for so long.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So do whatever it takes to get into power even though it is against your principles and beliefs……
    
    No wonder most people have such a low opinion of politics and politicians.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:05am
- Monique Watson
  
  I’m voting Act. It was either Collins or Seymour for me. I’d rather shit in my hands and clap than vote Bridges. Reti looks interesting but won’t make enough noise to collect the votes and Fester will have people deciding between Jacinda or going to Australia.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:39am
Spongebobby

I came across this RNZ article from April that has not aged well. Skip to 6.30 in the clip to hear the Ardern announce, with manic enthusiasm that would terrify body language experts everywhere, that if you get the vaccine ‘you won’t get sick and you won’t die’. I can’t imagine even medical experts would consider it appropriate to tell people that they won’t die if they take a certain medical treatment. This is utter insanity.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/440853/covid-19-worker-at-auckland-airport-tests-positive-plus-one-historical-case
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November 26, 2021 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Doctors NEVER tell a patient that a medical intervention will mean they will “not get sick”.
  
  In the case of COVID, many, many vaccinated people will die. Mainly the very old with a whole bunch of risk factors.
  
  It is quite frightening that she said that. What is she going to say when the vaccinated get sick and die? Maybe “Sorry”. Just kidding. 🙂
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:29am
  - Spongebobby
    
    It’s terrifying that someone in a position of power will spew out any statement if it suits her agenda, regardless of how truthful it is or if she even knows what she’s talking about it – a trait, incidentally, that is shared amongst those with strong narcissistic tendencies. It shows how delusional and arrogant she is and that she shouldn’t be trusted. At the time of this interview, deaths among the vaccinated were already recorded overseas.
    
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    November 26, 2021 8:57am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Truth has along departed this govt, their acolytes and sycophants. They are pseudo Maori with their might is right regime.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:28am
  - bronny1
    
    Yes well the latest data I’ve seen has 15 deaths from this outbreak (plus one yesterday, details unknown).
    Of the 15, 5 were vaxxed and 10 were not.
    Of the 10, one sided of lead poisoning and one was so old and sick she couldn’t have the vax.
    Pity they don’t provide more details on the people who die to support informed consent.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:19am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Was it “with” or “from” covid? We need all the details or the data is irrelevant.
      If there was equity in the stats then when someone dies within weeks of the jab they should be listed as “with” the jab or “from” the jab. Just so we’re comparing apples with apples.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, my double jabbed mother still died in August with CV19 in both lungs.
      
      She was riddled with cancer and had a heart condition so the CV19 probably only nudged her death by a few weeks.
      
      According to the CDC stats on CV19 deaths:
      * 5% only list CV19 as the cause of death. This is approximately half the death rate of road fatalities.
      * On average they have 4 comorbidities – clearly already very sick people.
      
      Clearly CV19 is not really killing them in great numbers. For the most part it is just speeding things up a bit.
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:14am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Sorry for your loss and thank you for your honesty. It is something that has been sadly missing through most of the last couple of years.
        It is always sad losing a loved one no matter what the cause. I watched my father struggle with throat cancer and in the end it was relief as much as sadness. Watching him slowly choke to death wasn’t pleasant.
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:31am
      - cmm
        
        Thank you Clan. I appreciate your kindness.
        
        However my mother and I were not on the best of terms so I cannot say her death saddened me. It did sadden me that we had had such a shitty relationship.
        
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        November 26, 2021 10:37am
    - mawm
      
      Bronny – their is no informed consent in the vaccine roll out. Not many people are aware of the Health and Disability’s “Patients Code of Rights”. We are all patients as the vaccine is a “health issue” and No’s 1 – 3 are particularly relevant at this time and I think Jacinda needs to take heed of No 4.
      
      1) a right to receive the information you need to make decisions about your health and about any tests, procedures or treatments
      2) a right to have information provided in a way that you understand
      3) a right to make an informed choice and give your informed consent before you undergo a test, procedure or treatment
      4) a right to be treated with respect and dignity, taking into account your cultural needs and values
      5) a right to have a support person with you, at most times
      6) a right to services being provided with reasonable care and skill
      7) a right to complain about a provider, in a way that is appropriate for you.
      
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      November 26, 2021 1:10pm
      - cmm
        
        Yup, with all the suppression of information there has not been informed consent.
        
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        November 26, 2021 2:36pm
    - Jim
      
      The MoH website doesn’t offer that data detail because it would undermine the gov propaganda. The PM said in late Aug: “Delta is seeking out the unvaccinated” in response to over 500 vulnerable people (Pacifica and Maori) reported in the first 800 cases of the Delta outbreak (and low vaccination rates at that time) ……….yet I suggest we have experienced a disproportionately low death rate since….then 26 deaths now 42 deaths, some 12 weeks on. Show me the money!
      
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      November 26, 2021 5:39pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BY Ardern will blame the unjabbed. Guaranteed. It’s how she operates, pick on the weakest and softest target to blame for her own ineptitude.
    She is a disgrace.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and didn’t she tell us that dealing with Covid-19 would be just like dealing with a measles outbreak?
  
  She said Covid-19 could then be treated like measles has been for years.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300380835/covid-19-nz-resets-approach-with-faster-vaccine-rollout-border-reopening-trial-this-year
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:32am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I will never forget it. I was astounded 🙂
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:03am
    - bronny1
      
      Does anyone have a timeline/ list of her covid quotes. Would love to publish it say 3 months from now.
      
      Just like the measles
      Safe and effective
      You won’t die of covid if you get jabbed
      It’s working as we expected
      No implications of choosing no jab
      Yes we are creating a two tier society
      Etc
      Etc
      
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      November 26, 2021 12:36pm
      - Spongebobby
        
        Here’s the interview with her ‘single source of truth’ statement – 50 seconds in. I wish I had the tech ability to clip it and put it alongside her ‘you won’t get sick or die’ announcement. The nose scratch right after she says (1.05ish) that is quite a tell. NZers should be terrified.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/03/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-dismisses-rumours-being-spread-on-social-media-about-covid-19.html
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps a suitably motivated Kiwiblogger could ensure she is held accountable via a complaint to the medical council that she is practicing medicine without appropriate qualifications. That might be more practicable than the looney suggestions sometimes espoused here that she should be deposed by the governor-general or the army.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:36am
  - westernScientest
    
    I dont think I have ever seen anyone call for a military coup on here
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m more fascinated as to why the Medical fraternity didn’t school her up a bit…or at least tell her to swim in her own lane…
    
    but hey, let’s not worry…
    
    If we’ve done the RIGHT thing and got vaxxed, Jacinda assures us we’ll be safe:
    
    If you have done the right thing to keep yourself and others safe, to look after one another, you should feel safe. You should be protected from those who haven’t made that choice.
    https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-speech-notes-covid-19-protection-framework
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:37am
    - cmm
      
      So if double vaxxed granny dies then I’m not a murdering untermench?
      
      This language is horrifying: “You should be protected from those who haven’t made that choice.”
      
      You’re not protecting yourself from the virus, you’re protecting yourself from unvaccinated people!
      
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      November 26, 2021 10:06am
  - Cassandra
    
    As usual miken a red herring. The matter is not dopey suggestions by commentators, although that is of course well within your expertise, but dopey statements by a Labour politician supported by you. Hence the colour of the herring, I guess.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Over to you…
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:30am
  - I remember when
    
    The army option seems to have merit.
    
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    November 26, 2021 2:19pm
- emmess
  
  The politicisation of medicine by the left is disgusting
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:50am
- Alan1930
  
  What’s utter insanity is the vaccination equivalent of telling people not to bother wearing seat belts because “figures show that most people who die in accidents are wearing them”.
  
  If wearing a seatbelt vastly decreases the chances of me dying in a car crash – and being vaccinated against COVID-19 vastly decreases the chances of me dying of COVID-19 – then that’s good enough reasons for me to belt up and get vaccinated.
  
  Going by the “logic”I read here, we’d all be better served by eating KFC whilst riding a unicycle because to date nobody has ever been killed on NZ roads or died of COVID-19 whilst doing that.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:20am
  - westernScientest
    
    No, the logic would say, if you dont want to be in a car crash, dont get in a car.
    
    A seat belt does nothing to stop car crashes
    
    The car analogies are so twisted and irrelevant
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:35am
  - alloytoo
    
    What you’re (and the government have been saying) saying is don’t bother about driver training, don’t bother about vehicle safety or road condition, just wear your safety belt and you’ll be ok.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What if you wear 2 seat belts? Are you double protected?
      There is a question for Fauci and Blofeld
      
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      November 26, 2021 2:30pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Yes. Except instead of using words like “2 seat belts” use “5 point harness”.
        
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        November 26, 2021 4:51pm
  - RightNow
    
    [deleted by Mod for wishing harm upon others]
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    An excellent analogy.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Many people belt up for fear of a fine, not for fear of dying in a car crash. With covid the odds of death for the vast majority are very, very small. An awful lot who have got the jab have done so due to bullying and despotic coercion by Ardern and her mates, not because they fear the virus.
    This is not about health.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:51am
    - mawm
      
      Not one person I know got jabbed to protect their health. Almost all have said it’s so they can travel. One group of seniors has demanded that all its members are vaccinated to protect the vulnerable (vaxxed) with co morbidities.
      
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      November 26, 2021 1:19pm
    - Jim
      
      “NZ Politics……..brought to you by Pfizer”
      
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      November 26, 2021 2:17pm
  - bronny1
    
    Except that we know that it is safe to put on a seatbelt. There has never been an instance where “making it click” has caused anaphylaxis, myocarditis, GB syndrome etc. Better yet, there is no chance that wearing a seatbelt today might kill me in a car accident I have 6 months from now.
    
    Not the same thing at all. An utterly irrelevant analogy.
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:39pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As I read yesterday, if I don’t take the jab I am 99.8% protected from covid and 100% protected from adverse effects of the jab. I like those odds. I’ll take that risk.
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:45pm
  - C-Town
    
    You can take a seatbelt off. Once injected its not easy to remove it from your body.
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:53pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    It’s a novel provisionally approved “vaccine” which the company won’t accept liability for, that you inject to activate your genes to fight a spike protein. – that is not the same as a piece of fabric seat belt that you wear on the outside of your body which is not invasive and poses no risk and has no long term consequences. If you want to take the vaccine, take it.
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the case of Labour they are putting on the seat belt when they know they are going to crash.
    It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen
    
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    November 26, 2021 2:27pm
- Jim
  
  Lol 12:14: a very bold assertion indeed, [deleted by Mod, smear.] Ever likely that some (rather unhealthy obese) people I have talked with seem to have the same viewpoint…..vaccine = no hospital or death. I predict the Kiwi obesity epidemic (and associated health impacts) is going to make itself known in 2022.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Happy Thanksgiving to America – except for that turkey Brandon
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November 26, 2021 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Now that ‘Black Friday’ has made its way into NZ retail culture, it will surely be only a few years until the fourth Thursday in November becomes an occasion for New Zealanders to get together to eat turkey and pumpkin pie.
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:32am
  - Grant
    
    Why not?
    We did it last night, though substituted chook for turkey.
    Son’s fiancee is from NY and she cooked a grand meal for her entire NZ family. It was a very special occasion with plenty of American tucker, good kiwi wine, and lots of banter.
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    November 26, 2021 10:55am
  - cha
    
    fourth Thursday in November becomes an occasion for New Zealanders to get together to eat turkey and pumpkin pie.
    
    Kiwibloggers celebrate the yankee holiday with yankee pie?
    
    Nah.
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:23pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Which raises the old question: can a president pardon themselves?
  
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  November 26, 2021 8:34am
  - mandk
    
    Yes they can.
    
    But the problem in Brandon’s case is that he won’t be able to remember for what he is supposed to be pardoning himself.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:27am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Well we’re certainly celebrating – although given that none of the kids like turkey it’s going to be a breaded Snapper night. 🙂
  
  I must say that between this, Black Friday and Halloween, New Zealand really is becoming quite Americanised, especially compared to my childhood.
  
  Heh, heh, heh,….
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:53am
thirteenstars

Occam’s razor: Collins was on a hiding to nothing as National leader and simply constructed a situation in which the caucus would have no choice but to remove her.

Why not simply resign? Because to resign is to admit defeat, to show you can’t handle the jandal, and Collins’ personality couldn’t tolerate that legacy.

This way she’s got plausible deniability: she maintains she did the morally right thing by demoting Bridges and if she went down because of it, she’s a martyr.

I mean, Winston Peters has built his entire career on the same strategy.
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November 26, 2021 8:24am
- Alan1930
  
  Congratulations. You’re one of the few around here that took the red pill today.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:22am
  - RightNow
    
    I took all the pills
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:23am
- cmm
  
  Possibly, but she firebombed the whole party and everything she has supposedly built her career for.
  
  A phyrrhic victory is one thing, but a pyrrhic defeat is quite another.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s the trait of narcissists of all political persuasions. Anything but standing up and owning whatever it was that caused the problem.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Possibly she had too much. The denial by bribed media of her right to be properly reported as the Leader of HM’s Loyal Opposition is a conatitutional outrage.
    Judith Collins has stood her ground well but most people are little aware how rough it is to be an MP. She deserves time out. They got Bridges previously that way too.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:39am
    - cmm
      
      “Possibly she had too much”. Ok, then resign or take time out.
      
      No need to set the whole party on fire because you’re having a bum day!
      
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      November 26, 2021 2:38pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Watchful media with keyboards and imaginations aiming to destroy?
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:46pm
- westernScientest
  
  I would have said Hanlon’s razor is more appropriate to this situation
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:38am
- I remember when
  
  I must admit I have found it very hard to understand how Judith Collins’ saw any upside to her actions.
  By saying she supports Luxon she is giving Simon Bridges the martyrdom he needs to be restored to Party Leader.
  That’s as conspiratorial as I can get.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:09am
mikenmildagain

All is not lost for the national party, one of our country’s finest institutions. I was just reflecting this morning that it is exactly 61 years since Holyoake began his 12-year tenure as prime minister. It is surely not impossible for the national party to go back to what has worked in the past, and find a new Holyoake, Muldoon, Bolger or Key.
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November 26, 2021 8:29am
- Stu2
  
  Muldoon? He stood for protectionism, state control and the status quo. Dinosaur.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What national party leader ever stood for anything except the status quo?
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Wer’e going to need another to navigate the inflation and mess to come.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:55am
- Cassandra
  
  And Key authorised the indigenous treaty signing. Plus Bolger can’t escape his Irish roots and was really Labour – not even Lite!
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:45am
- amospicton
  
  Bolger? Please no!
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:39am
Okahu

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If we are to diagnose how the National Party got into this position of existential peril, we would need to consider Epsom. The seat repeatedly gifted to an external agent of the right. It seemed so innocuous. Piss off the left with some electoral hi-jinx that skews representation. Why you can even get a few days of media coverage of the agent candidate by inviting the media along for the ‘cup of tea’ (rub the left’s nose in it) meeting.

Now as well as being a smear on the Nat’s democratic credentials it turns out to be a collosal fuck up of an idea. A major party with a proud history of steering the destiny of the nation being eaten alive by a cancer they welcomed in. Watching as a collection of fresh faced nobodies with the wit and wisdom of an unwritten book (but a snappy smiley cover), now eat their lunch and take their date home.

Some might see unintended consequences. I see karma.
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November 26, 2021 8:44am
- thirteenstars
  
  Ah, and here we have the psychological explanation for why so many Nat stalwarts affect to loathe ACT despite ACT having the same policies that National would have had only 25 years ago.
  
  When in fact they loathe ACT precisely because ACT has the same policies National did 25 years ago. Imagine Ruth Richardson coming in as a backbencher these days. She’d be told, you better change your tune, girl, or you’ll have no future in this party.
  
  Lamenting what one has lost is a powerfully destructive emotional state.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:03am
  - westernScientest
    
    If she was entering politics now, I suspect she would be an ACT member not on the Nat backbenches….
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Some people seem to forget that Bolger dumped Richardson precisely because her policies almost cost him re-election in 1993. Bolger probably would have won in 1999 too, had some of the ideologues not revolted against his pragmatism.
    And John Key, of course, flirted with more economic reform (remember “catching up with Australia”?), but took the traditional, pragmatic national party approach of better being a long-lasting government than a radical government.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:42am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I always laugh at trolls like Okahu turning up with this taunting, as if the likes of poor old Chris Trotter and other stalwarts don’t regularly thrash around and moan at how their precious Jacinda has not used their mighty majority to re-create the MOW and vast numbers of state houses – plus getting government back into the power, telecoms and god knows what other businesses.
    
    Neo-Liberal sellout is the epithet I often see. 🙂
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:58am
  - Okahu
    
    I see your point thirteen. A bit like those that congregate here hating on e-cars not realising they are just a better way of doing the same thing. In a few years they will hide from or disown their wilful ignorance.
    
    On that subject, two days ago on RNZ National Chester Burrows broke with previously accepted dogma and said “I put my hand up and admit I got it wrong when I voted against repeal of Section 59… If I knew then what I know now…” Just a shame he believed the tribal bullshit he was fed at the time and didn’t grasp the history would not look kindly on his stupidity. Key was right to side against the spare the rod spoil the child fuckwits, sorry, child abusers. It seems change is awful hard for most conservatives.
    
    But this, “Lamenting what one has lost is a powerfully destructive emotional state.” sure explains conservatism. Seems your pop psychology is on point this morning. The grief process the Nats are going through at a party and caucus level has got to be profound. Its not just that they are bereft of principle that is in opposition to the Labour administration, but imagine being forced to caucus with factions that not just hate you but have attempted to kamikaze your career, then hang around to stink the place out.
    
    And then reading this blog and discovering even your most ardent supporters are announcing their intention to leave in droves, or declare themselves unable to understand what you stand for others than ‘troughing’ and power. I bet that is producing some powerfully destructive emotional states in both the actors and their long suffering supporters.
    
    I can live with that. Hell, Im enjoying it.
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:34pm
- Yabster
  
  ACT is a cancer is it?- sounds like the socialists are getting worried. Labour is made up of nobodies so whats your point…. ??
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:43am
  - Okahu
    
    Good questions Yabbie. You want to learn. Thats good.
    
    So, yes, for the National Party, cancer, yes. Something that feeds off the vitality of a host organism and then begins an uncontrollable growth spurt that not only directly consumes the resources of the host it threatens its very existence. Sums up the ACT National relationship pretty well. The fact that their relationship to their host was actively sought by the host, like a smoker and their fags, is eerily accurate to cancer too.
    
    As to whether ACT themselves are cancer, if that’s what you wonder, time will tell, but in my opinion, the omens are not good.
    
    Now I think you also asked a second question… “sounds like the socialists are getting worried. Labour is made up of nobodies so whats your point…. ??” Yep, there it is. In a discussion of the issues with National currently playing out I guess thats a diversionary assertion. It sure doesn’t pass the test of coherency or accuracy.
    
    I mean I suspect you use the term socialist unironically, in the fashion of a Fox News slur, rather than those of a legitimate and widespread political belief. And not that I can or would speak for “socialists”, but yes, I imagine there is a growing alarm in the apparent abdication or suicide of the centre right, and the rise of the far right in New Zealand.
    
    As to your bizarre assertion “Labour is made up of nobodies” I assume we are all going to temporarily forget our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. I don’t think it too much to rank her as the best known NZ politician the world has ever known, a woman that millions of lines of Kiwiblog missives have been devoted to. That sort of Labour nobody?
    
    So other than to lash out (off topic, incoherently, illogically and absurdly), what is YOUR point?
    
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    November 26, 2021 5:24pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      This is a long way from over. Let’s revisit in 5 years. I predict Ardern will no longer be famous, the word will be infamous. She will be long remembered but not for the reasons the fawning sycophants believe.
      
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      November 27, 2021 8:29am
Yvette

Demeaning “blokey joke”
… the incident happened almost five years ago, in early 2017, and that the complainant is Jacqui Dean. It took place at a caucus event, before Simon Bridges was leader, according to the reports, and related to a lewd and offensive comment, which prompted a complaint to then leader Bill English. Dean wakes this morning finding herself at the centre of a fresh storm that was not of her making, reliving what was clearly for her a dreadful experience. [1]

“Dean wakes this morning finding herself …” – So as well as not having the backing of the Board, did Collins not discuss her intentions with Jacqui Dean?

Postscript –
Things are starting to even up in the Bridges’ family household, with the arrival of Tauranga MP Simon Bridges and his wife Natalie’s new baby girl … – Bay of Plenty Times, 9 Dec, 2017 02:35 PM

[1] https://thespinoff.co.nz/opinion/25-11-2021/in-the-collins-v-bridges-muck-only-this-is-certain-something-is-rotten-in-the-national-party
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November 26, 2021 8:58am
Lee C

The National Party are dead to me. They are just another post-Marxist shill eager to out-do Ardern’s New-World Order BS and foist mass vaccinations on our offspring.

Yeah, Nah.
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November 26, 2021 8:59am
All_on_Red

Is it true that the delay in choosing a new Leader is because they are waiting for “Tova, and Jessica” to tell them who they wont pick on?

That will save them having to change Leaders again in six months.
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November 26, 2021 9:13am
Maggie Pie

It’s that time of year where I normally pack up my winter-wardrobe and drop it off to the nearest ‘Sally Army Family Shop’. Well not any more……

I see where the Salvation Army now embraces Critical Race Theory and BLM.
They want to dismantle ‘white privilege’ and are calling on white Christians to ‘repent’…. and ‘offer a sincere apology to black people’

Well I wont be apologising for anything I haven’t done. And they wont be getting my cast-offs ever again.

Just saying 🙁
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November 26, 2021 9:15am
- bronny1
  
  Plenty of other charities with op shops that you could support. I recommend animal rescue – no dogs are discriminated against at charity shelters bc of their colour or the way they look (though they defo are at council shelters!)
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:23am
  - westernScientest
    
    I dont now how much a dog would appreciate one of Maggie’s fur coats
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:43am
  - curry4me
    
    bronny1: Also Habitat for Humanity. They often have better stuff than the Salvos.
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:20pm
- ecco
  
  There’s also Vinnies in Onehunga who do a good job ?
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:28am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    In my suburb there is a fantastic op shop run by a local organisation who donate the profits to our local schools and children’s groups. That is good enough for me to support them.
    The Sallies lost me 20 years ago when my Mum rang them up to see if they wanted an old lounge set she had which was still in great condition but needed to be picked up. Apparently that was too hard so Women’s Refuge got it.
    
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    November 26, 2021 9:50am
- H. Upmann
  
  I stopped donating clothing etc to Salvos a few years ago because of their political stance, attempt to influence and interference. Also St John, no longer a member.
  Donations go to Hospice.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:33am
  - Sean OConnor
    
    Me too, I convinced my mother to remove them from her will. The woke have nested there for a while, they’re just ripping the mask off now that they feel secure.
    I understand the Baptist Union is next.
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:59pm
- cmm
  
  It has been a long time since the Sallies were a genuine charity. They are now just a front for activists.
  
  Climate Change, BLM, CRT, whatever the activism of the day they’re into it.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    They’re a church. Perhaps not in the same way as the Dutch Reformed Church, for example, but one can’t expect all these sects to follow the gospels.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:49am
- I remember when
  
  I’m dreaming of a ‘Multicoloured’ Christmas,
  It’s only a matter of time.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:53am
- Sean OConnor
  
  It’s a sad, sad beginning of the end for the Sallies. Once upon a time they were the church that really saw themselves as Christ’s soldiers, they couldn’t care less about seeming strange, and they really were shunned and persecuted pariahs while they did good works.
  
  15 years after deciding to take government money, they have a bureaucracy and are ashamed of their own forebears – forebears that were 100x better, more loving and self sacrificing Christians than they’ll ever be. Arrogant, faithless sellouts.
  
  I wonder what the core of hardcore Salvationists will do when they realise the church has been lost to the godless woke?
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:53pm
- david
  
  Try “Dress for Success” gives a real purpose to useful stuff. Some also take Mens’ clothing like all my suits when I retired – rather liked the idea of someone getting a job or attending an important event dressed up a bit better than they otherwise might have been.
  
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  November 26, 2021 4:10pm
ecco

Wall to wall coverage of the National party leadership contest on the Ferald, much of it not behind their paywall and open to comment, so the Jacinda sycophants can get stuck in and everyone can read it. Deliberate ploys bought by the covid relief, bribe, fund.

Not a mention about the ramming through of the traffic light powers, nor of the cancelling of return home by xmas of all the Grounded Kiwis overseas. Absolutely tragic timing by Collins. May have taken the whole party out. Who knows.

A truly malicious and reckless act, not only on Bridges but also the rest of the party. Probably a good thing that she’s been removed this early in the piece. She’s certainly not fit for purpose of being opposition leader. Never was and never would have been.
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November 26, 2021 9:20am
- H. Upmann
  
  It will not make any difference. Ardern’s gang are in for at least another term, very possibly two, unless they do something seriously nuclear and scare off enough of the adoring, brainwashed sheep.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  Ah but the “centre right” Ferald still has a choice on wot it gives coverage to , innit ?
  
  But that rag is a lefty pos ; covid fear porn , climate fear porn , anti nats porn.
  
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  November 26, 2021 9:52am
- K
  
  Other stories swept under the carpet yesterday and today:
  
  – A tax increase of 1-2% for every worker in NZ to pay for a totally unnecessary “unemployment insurance scheme”
  
  – the government releases a tranche of documents criticising the government’s response to the Delta outbreak
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:32pm
ABS4EVA

The World is preparing to DEAL with COVID

NZ and AUs actually think their Mandate is going to work (time will tell)

The rest of the World is preparing to adopt

NOVAVAX

Prof Ooi Eng Eong on Novavax’s application for approval to use its protein-based vaccine in S’pore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sab78BBMyqg

Singapore

Indonesia

Philippines

Want a Vaccine that works

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/philippine-fda-eua-novavax-vaccine/

Philippine FDA grants EUA to Novavax’s Covid-19 vaccine

The World has moved on Aus and NZ are lagging
behind and are BACKWARD and still trying to force a flawed Vaccine Strategy

Even Authoritarian Societies
UNDERSTAND the Advantages of

CHOICE
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November 26, 2021 9:20am
- RightNow
  
  I’ve found a pathway to Indonesia that only requires one dose of the vaxx. So I can get one Pfizer shot, travel to Bali, quarantine for 5 days and assuming I return a negative Covid test I’m in.
  If I can get the Novavax there (since it’s in Indonesia) then that’s my plan.
  And 6 months in Bali while NZ suffers through winter.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:28am
- Local Miller
  
  While the content may be useful ASB4EVA, I do find reading your bullet points posts a pain in the butt and tend to skip them. Being user friendly helps.
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:26am
  - bronny1
    
    100% agree
    
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    November 26, 2021 12:43pm
ABS4EVA

You will Notice that in
Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines.

The Discussion on Vaccines are calm non political practical, professional and informed.

In NZ and AUS it is just non stop Political Spin.
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November 26, 2021 9:24am
- Pavel
  
  They don’t argue about it over there because their too busy working out how much of the funding they corruptly skim off for themselves.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:06am
plc

So I work for a govt org where I’m surrounded by the aware and the worthy….

On our internal comms channel there has just been a request from one of our staff

“Over January I am travelling with my family around the South Island. I am looking to organise a swap of my EV for a roomier, petrol powered vehicle”.

I am struggling to constrain my reply
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November 26, 2021 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does your associate even know where the South Island is? Not a lot going on is there?
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:45pm
I remember when

Great cartoon this morning by Murdoch showing Collins and Bridges in a scuffle, while Jacinda is crashing into her traffic lights.
Or that is the way I read it.
Mind you, I have never really understood most of Murdoch’s cartoons so I may have that wrong.
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November 26, 2021 9:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Looked to me like Jacinda is speeding through a red light
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis was wondering just how strong the links are that Chris Luxon has to the CCP.

She was saying it’s no secret that The Chao Shan Association’s Rean Wong, Zhang Yikun’s lawyer Chen Ping, and Yang Jian, were all at the ‘Lunar New Year’ event held in his electorate.

No doubt the Botany National-CCP links run deep.
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November 26, 2021 9:52am
- Frank the tank
  
  Probably no more than PeeWee Wood TBH. Both major parties are well compromised
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:50am
- Sean OConnor
  
  Another reason to purge Goodfellow (and not replace him with Carter).
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:55pm
Raphael

I listened to this yesterday. Mike Hosking interviewing Jeremy Clarkson about his new book Diddly Squat, and the unexpected success of Clarksons Farm on Amazon (brilliant show, you must watch it)

Hosking asks Clarkson about when he got sick with the ‘Rona and Clarksons response was that despite being in the worst demographic (ex heavy smoker, old, fat, and who has battled pneumonia) he’s never been “less sick”

We need to remember, despite the FEAR pushed by Our Glorious Leader and the MSM, that while C19 can be fatal, for many people it’s just like a bad cold.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/jeremy-clarksons-farm-life-as-on-tv-in-book-diddly-squat-a-year-on-the-farm/
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November 26, 2021 10:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I spoke directly to a friend in Orange County in the US yesterday. Asked him how it was all going. He’s 60, said most of his friends had had it, they all basically said it was “a gnarly cold”. One of his buddies had died. His words to me were “but he was over 300 pounds, diabetic and had heart issues, not the healthiest dude on the planet”. It was totally expected, flu would have killed him too.
  Similar story from personal friends in Ireland. The whole family got it, 2 kids bounced through it in a couple of days, the husband in his 60s was worse and it lasted a week. His wife joked about his “man flu” and how it was great she got the TV remote control for a week. He came right, she got it. She said it was a bit shit for 3 0r 4 days but all back to normal again.
  It’s clear this is the outcome. If you’re old, obese or have serious underlying health issues you are at risk. Act accordingly. But you are at risk from many things so the obsession with covid is insane.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    If you are unvaxxed otherwise healthy and catch covid you still have more than 10x higher chance of dying of something other than covid in the next year. If vaxxed it is more than 100x. Spending any thought or action on avoiding covid is pointless for the large majority of people. For those with comorbidities I am sorry, but it is unfair to ask whole population to upend their lives on hold for your benefit, get vaccinated and shose how you want to live your life
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    yep, if the World covidometer is to be believed… the death rate of those who caught the virus has stayed around 2% for months…..
    
    over 235 Million folks have recovered.
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:46am
    - Local Miller
      
      And that’s not counting the people who didn’t get tested!
      
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      November 26, 2021 11:29am
  - kowtow
    
    I’ve been out and about recently and have noticed , more than ever , the number of grossly obese people struggling ( waddlers) to get about .
    
    Massive problem , all ages , all ethnicities ( not so much Asian) .
    
    They’re the ones this thing is primarily gunna harvest . The couldn’t be bothered to look after their own health yet the gurnermunters have mandated that any and all must change their lives and take forced experimental ‘medications ‘ to protect people who have lived their lives without a care for themselves …….or the hospitals that they already have put under enormous stress and starin.
    
    Talking of health , it’s beyond parody that the MoH is disappointed that private hospitals are insisting on vax , when the MoH are agents of this gurnermunter’s vax mandates.
    
    More hypocrisy.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:02am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yep, some folk with guts hanging down halfway to their knees.
      Bet they didn’t just wake up like that one day.
      But then, there are obese kids in primary school.
      Shit parents. Poor education.
      Probably need ‘Maori science’, LOL.
      
      You don’t see people this big in retirement villages.
      They can do what they like, it’s a free society {sort of}, but when it gets turned into a ‘a Maori lives less long than Pakeha – must be waaaacist’, I think it doesn’t help anyone to be in denial as to the different average health profile.
      Shopping trolleys with 2.25 cokes stacked up, and grabbing a V drink at the aisle to top it off.
      
      I have often thought that Maori who are upset about a street named after Colonel Nixon should actually be more angry at Colonel Sanders….. if they need to blame anyone at all, that is.
      
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      November 26, 2021 2:23pm
- Jim
  
  I remember Clarkson’s original media comment about his covid experience, saying he had experienced worse hangovers.
  I did think this was an interesting outcome considering he’s not famed for running marathons or eating salad.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:26pm
- MCōs
  
  If everybody died who was afflicted with a potentially fatal ailment the population of the world would be gone in a few years.
  In NZ ~75% of stroke victims survive. About six a day don’t. Then there’s heart attacks, various cancers, diabetes, failed kidneys, livers . . . .
  Jeremy Clarkson may have brushed off covid, but by the sounds of things he’s a prime candidate for for one of those other problems. He won’t be short of a bob so he’ll be able to throw whatever money’s needed around to get treated, but if the public hospitals are swamped with covid patients ordinary old Joe Blogs may just have to go on the back burner.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:38pm
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/11/25/omarova-nomination-opposed-by-5-dems/

Meet Adrian Orr’s replacement.
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November 26, 2021 10:12am
- Jim
  
  Holy s**t, who would want to be in business?
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:29pm
Inandout

Listening to Murray Olds on Hosking this morning and he was talking of NSW in the process of getting back to normal except for a few mask carry overs. He talks crap at times but he doesn’t mince his words when referring to some politicians as mongrels and idiots. I grew up with guys like that who ‘called a spade a spade’ but then the terrible people who are scared of their own shadows took over.
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November 26, 2021 10:16am
DeepBlue

Now it’s done, I am pleased. Before Christmas was far better than after. No one other than us tragic are interested in Wellington, Labour or National.

I expect a bounce for National next year as all those shallow ABC voters breath a sigh of relief and a further swing to Act.
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November 26, 2021 10:17am
WaveyDavey

Oracle Wavey predicts…

2023: L
2026: L+G (+/- M)
2027: 16yos get the vote
2030: LoC in perpetuity

Not seeing anything to change my prediction, which I’ve been making for 2+ years now

But go ahead and downvote if it makes you feel better
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November 26, 2021 10:24am
RightNow

People keep saying why am I so worried about having the vaxx when they’ve seen what I’ve snorted up my nose at 3am…
well I’m sorry, I didn’t realise there was a snortable vaxx option.
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November 26, 2021 10:24am
Littletramp

If anyone is looking for further accurate insight into what is happening with covid management this article is excellent.
In a nutshell, the bureaucrats and work from homers who are all very important people (if you just ask them) can sense that vaccines are not effective at stopping covid and are dead scared the virus is now coming for them. The workers who have nearly all now had covid are no longer scared of it as they have either had it or know someone who has. The knee jerk reaction has been to lock everyone down to hide from the virus.
Part 2 of the article explains how the general population now is better informed than our decision makers who are being fed data from compliant, approval seeking morons.
This is well worth 10 minutes, and a lot makes sense afterwards.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ignorant-and-afraid
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November 26, 2021 10:25am
ABS4EVA

Victoria Australia under Labour

is the A Hole of the World

Run by a complete pack of A holes

Friends of Cindies
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November 26, 2021 10:31am
Maggie Pie

And still no Hot-X-Buns at Countdown yet.

Can’t be far away, surely?
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November 26, 2021 10:34am
- rangitoto
  
  The Paschal Full Moon for 2022 is 16th April so Easter 2022 is later than average (17th April). You will have to wait.
  
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  November 26, 2021 10:43am
- Raphael
  
  my youngest is missing them. She is of the firm opinion they must stay available all year round
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:07am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Raphael
    
    Bella Pane in Putaruru sells them year round but without the crosses. $5 for 6 last time I was in there.
    
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    November 26, 2021 11:18am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Pack and save Tauranga have them 2 packs for $6
    
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    November 26, 2021 10:49pm
- Fletch
  
  Um, that’s next year. In April. Too soon for even the most trigger happy of stores.
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:12am
Ra Henare

Anyone have experience getting a NZ vaccine pass for jabs received overseas (Not Pfizzer)
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November 26, 2021 11:00am
waripori

I always liked Judith Collins ( without ever meeting her ) and I could not figure why so few people, especially women , felt the same. Turns out all those people who had doubts were right.

It looks to me as though Collins seized on the discussion Dean had with here some time ago and asked her to front at a presser. She also had a chat with Reti and asked him for support. They probably both should have told her to back off but one thing we have been asking the Nats for is Unity and they may have been trying to provide that. Collins then seems to have misrepresented the position of the Board.

It is an appalling piece of political vandalism and duplicity which validates all the concerns the electorate had about honesty ( oravida ) , lack of judgement and her personal ambition .

The bright spot for Bridges is that if these five year old comments were the best she could do he must be squeaky clean.
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November 26, 2021 11:04am
TripeWryter

The shenanigans in the National Party have brought out the purse-lipped New Puritans.
The more prudish among them (see Kirsty Johnston, of stuff) have taken the stance of casting Jacquie Dean as a victim and found a prude at a university (where else?) to quote – that it’s all part of male misogyny.
There was a time when men did mind their language. When ‘there are ladies present’ would cause a man to ahem and apologise in embarrassment.
But look: a good 50 years ago women began to demonstrate that they could have, as my mother used to say, a mouth like a trooper’s.
Mum would know. Two of her sisters were particularly foul-mouthed especially after several gins.
Lewdness is not and has not been a male preserve for several decades.
My daughters were examples, and so were their friends – one of whom is now a first-term Labour MP.
Calling someone a [C word deleted by Mod] is as much a part of the female vocabulary as it is of males’.
I have worked in newspaper newsrooms where women reporters could foot it with the boys extremely well.
I have worked in a government agency in which I was the only male on the floor. I am not a prude but I did ask my manager if she could talk to these 20-23-year-olds because their descriptions of their sexual activities, and of their reproductive difficulties, were a bit too graphic.
I brought up daughters. I helped them navigate their puberty. I bought the pads and the tampons and the Ibuprofen. I washed their bloodied clothing and bedding if periods arrived unexpectedly.
So there’s nothing new about that there for me.
What I found was that their talk seemed to be deliberate in my presence.
After the manager spoke to them they retaliated by accusing me of eavesdropping.
Anyway. The New Puritans in our media in particular need to drop their sense of prudery.
Lewdness and vulgarity in talk and manner is not just the preserve of the lads any more.
Perhaps they need either to get out more or listen more closely to their sisters.
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November 26, 2021 11:13am
- kowtow
  
  Good post.
  
  Yes they demanded “equality” in all things and along with that good manners went out the window . Now they don’t like it up ’em.
  
  But wot this lot do is demand a higher or different standard from males , so that’s out right hypocrisy .
  
  I find it amusing that the wimmin who demand the ‘right’ to literally kill their babies could be so upset at a smutty joke , if told by a bloke . ( that’s not relating to Dean , but to ‘feminists” in general)
  See the MSM reaction to Trump’s “grab ’em ” comment. All false outrage.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:21pm
westernScientest

Police force to reduce by 10%

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/300463767/vaccine-mandate-extended-to-police-defence-force
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November 26, 2021 11:21am
- kowtow
  
  The police union “welcomes” the move.
  
  A true sign of our turned on its head world .
  
  A union welcoming the firing of its members , not to mention the strain this will put on those remaining.
  
  And if the stats for the general pop are anything to go by a lot of them will be Maoris , after all that ‘positive ‘ hiring ……
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:05pm
- Jim
  
  Michael Wood said in reference to NZDF and NZP: “But we want to ensure that those who serve and protect our communities on a daily basis can do so without unintentionally spreading the virus.”
  
  I suggest he go back to basics in understanding what Pfizer actually means by 99% efficacious (by the way If seatbelt a were similarly effective I suggest no one would wear them). The vaccinated do get infected and spread the virus. Furthermore some credible data suggests that symptoms will be suppressed and so the vaccinated may report for work and be infectious.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:43pm
Maggie Pie

Gawd yes…..I’m with her 😀
Voted ‘best tasting’ in Remmers Lifestyle Mag 3 years in a row!!
How they do them for 7 bucks a doz is beyond me.
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November 26, 2021 11:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think those northern hemisphere pagan fertility rituals should be left to the spring. This time of year, we should be looking forward to Yule logs and ham at the winter solstice.
  
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  November 26, 2021 11:55am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiYzWQ0Q94
Germany’s New Coalition: The Traffic Light Coalition Explained – TLDR News.

Yesterday, Germany’s new coalition government (the so-called Traffic Light Coalition of the SPD, FDP and Greens) put forward the plans and policies for government. So in this video we unpack their nearly 200 pages of proposals and explain what the new federal government means for Germany, Europe and the World. [8:48]
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November 26, 2021 11:49am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBWtC8g0hHQ

Singapore grew directly at the expense of “One China”.

Singapore, and Hong Kong have been rivals since the 1960s. Now that HK is
just another Chinese city, Singapore will reap the benefit. There are less regional offices of
foreign firms in HK. Visitors to HK must quarantine. [4:34]
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November 26, 2021 11:49am
fightingtemeraire

I have emailed Dr Reti with a copy to my MP asking him to stand as Leader and why he should.
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November 26, 2021 12:07pm
Fletch

And so it begins – several private hospitals in NZ limiting their operations and visitors to the vaccinated only.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/private-hospitals-start-closing-their-doors-on-unvaccinated-patients-and-visitors-lawyer-warns-they-may-not-have-a-choice/6NNNTX2HNGXIHWBPAGBQPIC4XI/
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November 26, 2021 12:11pm
Rusty

Does anyone know at what level or traffic light colour can we stop wearing masks or does Jacinda not know?
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November 26, 2021 12:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fluro Pink
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:55pm
- cmm
  
  According the the new business .govt.nz “Helping Businesses Succeed”, the COVID-19 Protection Framework (aka traffic light system) says:
  
  * Green: Masks mandatory on flights.
  * Orange: Face coverings will be mandatory on flights, public transport, in taxis, retail, public facilities, and encouraged elsewhere.
  * Red: Face coverings will be mandatory on flights, public transport, in taxis, retail, public facilities, and recommended whenever leaving the house.
  
  https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/covid-19-protection-framework/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EC_November_26_CPF&utm_content=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.business.govt.nz%2Fcovid-19%2Fcovid-19-protection-framework%2F
  
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  November 26, 2021 4:41pm
ClanMcleod

Eugyppius strikes again! Another wonderful blog post. This is NZ today.

IGNORANT AND AFRAID

“Because Western governments doubted their capacity to enforce Chinese-style lockdowns outright, fomenting mass panic became a non-pharmaceutical intervention in its own right. The histrionic media messaging has continued to this day, and it has contributed to a profoundly important division in our society: There are on the one hand those people in essential roles, who have endured exposure to Corona from the beginning, and most of whom have had the virus by now. And there are on the other hand those in Martin Kulldorf’s “laptop class,” that is to say well-off urban professionals, who have spent most of the last 21 months at home, hiding from a virus that many of them believe is approximately as dangerous as SARS. Mass infections among these people are only starting to happen right now.”

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ignorant-and-afraid?
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November 26, 2021 12:30pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127106326/hastings-party-company-makes-impression-on-social-media-with-giant-phallus-bouncy-castle
For God’s sake don’t tell Jacquie Deans about this.
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November 26, 2021 12:34pm
ClanMcleod

Sorry to post another so soon, but this author has such a good grasp of the current situation it is difficult not to share their words.
The comments are also generally of outstanding quality.

“Of all Covid patients in the ICU, about 80% are over 50 and most have risk factors such as high blood pressure, heart failure or diabetes.”
The vaccinators are vaccinating the wrong people, Part 1491230471325.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/of-all-covid-patients-in-the-icu/comments
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November 26, 2021 12:35pm
- marcw
  
  Just saying, the 50’s man who died in Auckland yesterday after nearly 3 weeks in ICU was, by his close friend’s account, healthy and active prior to becoming ill, and … unvacinated.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127100003/auckland-rugby-league-referee-and-real-character-dies-from-covid19
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not exactly with a healthy BMI, I suspect – going by the 2nd photograph.
    
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    November 26, 2021 2:59pm
  - cmm
    
    Where does it say he was healthy and active?
    Active in the club is very different to physically active.
    
    I quite often walk past the local league club during training. While many of the players are healthy and fit, the coaches, managers and other ex-players that show up are all massively fat and smoke and booze during the training sessions. Healthy they certainly are not.
    
    I do not know whether this guy fit that mold or not. My condolences to his friends and family.
    
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    November 26, 2021 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm…

Whilst I’ve got no idea just HOW religious Chris Luxon really is, you have to wonder if there’s any truth to the rumor circulating on twitter, that he will very likely move to make Christianity compulsory…..with all sinners and non-conformists being sent to work in salt mines.
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November 26, 2021 12:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  They will be overcrowded salt mines. Romans 3:23. “For all have sinned …”
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I blame the mothers..
    
    “…and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
    Psalm 51:5
    
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    November 26, 2021 1:44pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      No mention of in the back seat of a BMW?
      
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      November 26, 2021 2:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Thought you had a Porch
        
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        November 26, 2021 2:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think Maggie Pie is referring to King David’s parents….
        Jesse & Nitzevet.
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:01pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Was that the King who delivered John-the-Baptist’s head in a Charger?
        
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        November 26, 2021 3:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh Maggie Pie…
        
        You’ve not been paying attention in Mass…
        https://www.acatholic.org/difference-king-david-king-herod/
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:14pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I was more concerned about the car he was driving?
        
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        November 26, 2021 6:52pm
    - oldfella
      
      Maggy, Jacqui Dean would be incensed if she overheard that. It could scar her for life!
      
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      November 26, 2021 4:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was scarred for life after attending a Free Church service in Oban (Scotland) and the Parishioners chanted Psalm 51.
        
        Don’t think I’ll be hastening back for a repeat performance.
        
        Somehow my Methodist Sunday School and Quaker school had overlooked teaching about the concept of original sin in wee babies.
        
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        November 26, 2021 5:42pm
- Sean OConnor
  
  Imagine if NZ had elected Christian prime ministers in the past. We’d definitely be a full theocracy. You can tell what a big fundy Luxon is by how he goes on about working hard to get his 2SLLGBTQIAA+ stars and installing diversity commisars.
  This is a threatening time for our nation.
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:42pm
- Truman lodge
  
  Maggie that’s right. I’m a Conservative myself but realise his views won’t sit well with kiwis and will in fact make liberals more radical. The media will have a field day.
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:56pm
- Paulus
  
  What Bollocks – is that the best you can do on a Friday ?
  
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  November 26, 2021 1:56pm
Yvette

Winston Peters thinks “far too many people are coming into politics for their own good and their own ego” … “In terms of strategic mistakes and own goals, it was really a bad, bad day,” Peters told The AM Show on Friday … “So it was a kamikaze act, but she took herself out first. [Bridges] is still standing, so if you were talking about a wise strategy, I think she failed.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/ego-behind-judith-collins-kamikaze-act-winston-peters.html

,,, former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters is now looking to take his legal fight over the leaking of his superannuation overpayment details to the Supreme Court.
… In the run up to the 2017 election, Peters revealed his superannuation had been overpaid – he’d made an error on the form and was being paid the single person’s rate even though he had a partner.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/24/winston-peters-looks-to-take-legal-fight-to-supreme-court/
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November 26, 2021 12:46pm
- sooty
  
  What? Left it abit late didn’t he?
  How long ago was that?
  Sitting on his throne, contemplating was he?
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:48pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Winston Peters thinks “far too many people are coming into politics for their own good and their own ego”
  
  Put these words on the right order:
  
  Pot black kettle
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:52pm
Fletch

Newsweek. Covid cases are surging in the five most vaccinated U.S states.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-cases-are-surging-five-most-vaccinated-states-1653298

And – The U.S. has already seen more COVID deaths in 2021 than 2020 before vaccines were available.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-s-has-already-seen-more-covid-deaths-in-2021-than-2020-before-vaccines-were-available-as-experts-again-warn-pandemic-is-not-over-11637769586
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November 26, 2021 12:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Obviously Trump is to blame.
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:43pm
Ruawai

Rapid antigen tests only being available and used at pharmacies is not good policy. If I was sick at home
it would be safest to send a family member to pick up a test and test at home but with this clever Government I would have to go out coughing into my mask to the chemist to get tested risking everyone I see on the way, just so they can control the numbers.
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November 26, 2021 1:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  yep, seems a masterly plan to spread Covid through our health professional community.
  
  Funny how other countries aren’t as STOOPID as us.
  
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  November 26, 2021 3:05pm
Jack5

The real danger ….

For a break from National Party woes, have a look at Michael Riddell’s assessment of the Reserve Bank’s latest lacklustre performance on interest rates and inflation.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2021/11/25/not-really-up-to-the-job/
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November 26, 2021 1:22pm
Scooter

Interesting that a new mutant covid strain in South Africa coincides with the article on Africa’s low covid cases. Can’t have almost zero cases and low vaxx compared with high vaxx and high cases in Europe.
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November 26, 2021 1:25pm
Truman lodge

The National Party are clowns. I’m full on in with the Act party.

Why oh why would you put forward Rick Santorum… I mean Chris Luxon as leader when the media will highlight his obviously different lifestyle and beliefs to most kiwis.
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November 26, 2021 1:34pm
Sean OConnor

Pretty disappointing to see almost half the KB comments on National leadership contenders advocating for diversity hires. Hire a woman! Hire someone young!

Why, oh why, are NZ centre right types so determined to believe that if they compromise with the woke, that the woke will leave them alone?
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November 26, 2021 1:38pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah we have just de-camped to Act and want a viable support party now. Someone has to attract the latte drinking, vegan under 30 white collar crowd as it won’t be Act.
  
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  November 26, 2021 2:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The only way National win an election is if they can reach obviously weak minded swing voters through friends and media. They will never do that if media are constantly sniping at easy targets (and given they are implacably anti National they will) – eg old white christian leadership. It’s rotten, but it’s reality. Gotta play the game as it is, not as you wish it were.
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:46pm
  - Sean OConnor
    
    You have it backwards.
    
    What you wish for is that under some circumstance, the media will be fair.
    
    The reality is that the media are as woke as hell and National will never get fair treatment from them. So they shouldn’t bother and instead should work on appealing to people in spite of them.
    
    All that letting bullies push you around does is signal to every other bully that you can be pushed around.
    
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    November 27, 2021 1:31am
Maggie Pie

Finally…new CV’s due out late next week!

‘Bragging Rights’ at the Tennis Club again, hopefully 😀
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November 26, 2021 1:48pm
Truman lodge

When are National going to abandon personal ambition and put forward a way and philosophy for nz.

At least Labour who are Marxists and evil realised this. They used branding and someone that they could use to effectively use soft skills to trick people into voting.

But no.. Slater and Co who have influence are more into personal gain even if it means they stay in opposition. WTF do they think Luxon is the guy. Luxon would be great running Alabama or organising a super pac. Luxon will spend months defending his position on Abortion and gay marriage.
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November 26, 2021 2:23pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  “At least Labour who are Marxists and evil realised this. They used branding and someone that they could use to effectively use soft skills to trick people into voting.”
  
  Just remember, Labour is done once Jacinda leaves/quits.
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:03pm
ABS4EVA

{Deleted – your constant use of gratuitous obscenity and use of unwelcome CAPITALS, despite many requests to desist, has moved the Moderator Group to ban you for 6 months. Mods.]
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November 26, 2021 2:31pm
- [email protected]
  
  Finally. Thank you.
  
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  November 27, 2021 6:07am
Bobba Fret

Heard Steven Joyce on the radio this morning, I wish he was still in National.
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November 26, 2021 2:40pm
krazykiwi

Learn how YouGov manipulates survey responders based on how the individual answers the first question.

“Dr Renee Hoenderkamp says a YouGov poll that claims the majority would back a vaccine mandate gave her different statistics depending on her responses.”
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November 26, 2021 2:52pm
CAKE FACE1

One of the reasons I supported the Swedish approach to Rona is that any response needs to be sustainable. We need an approach that still is sustainable years down the track.

For example, there is no point having masks, unless you intend to have masks forever.

Lockdowns just delay the inevitable, at huge economic and social costs. The economic costs of our last in class approach are now over 150 billion. This isn’t sustainable.

In essence, there was one huge elephant in the room with regards to Cindy’s reactionary policy. What we do when a new variant comes along, that evades the vaccine?

Do we close the borders for a few years more? Do we double down on our lockdowns? Do we wear masks 24 hours a day, 365 days a year?

This is not an academic question. There is a new variant in Africa and Asia, that may evade the body’s immune response.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/25/what-do-we-know-about-the-new-worst-ever-covid-variant

All the cost of lockdowns, border closures and the rest may well have been just to delay the inevitable, at crippling cost.

NZ could go bankrupt for no health advantage at all…
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November 26, 2021 3:40pm
- cmm
  
  Cindy’s policies would have made sense if the vaccine was close to 90% or more effective in all ways (both at reducing infection and reducing harm).
  
  That was the basic idea of eliminashun. Hold our breaths until the problem went away or the silver bullet arrived.
  
  Now we’re going purple in the face and there is no silver bullet and athe problem isn’t going away.
  
  As you say: What now? Do we continue to hold our breath for 5 years?
  
  The 90% vax rates is a politically expedient way to wind back from that position. Once we all get to 90% we can pretend the problem is solved and we can blame anything that isn’t perfect on the unvaxxed 10%.
  
  “NZ could go bankrupt for no health advantage at all…”
  
  Worse, I would argue that we’re going bankrupt AND getting worse health outcomes. The real “long tail” of CV19 is going to be those tens of thousands of medical procedures that have been skipped.
  
  It is not just the economy that has suffered. It is health too.
  
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  November 26, 2021 4:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Covid Vaccine is not a vaccine – it is mind control medication.
    I have had vaccines, Polio is an example. I have had illnesses where I did not have vaccines (chickenpox, measles, mumps, the list goes on – lived in the sticks, no doctors, no hospitals) I will not get those conditions – natural immunity.
    Covid vax is NOT a vaccination, you can be DOUBLE/TRIPLE vaxxed, still get Covid, and still infect others – wake up.
    Put your mask on properly, it is affecting your vision
    
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    November 26, 2021 4:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, as we learn from the Friday Dump of Government papers…
    
    Most of NZ hasn’t needed to be in lockdown 2 for months.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/director-general-of-health-ashley-bloomfield-proposed-rest-of-new-zealand-move-to-alert-level-1-in-september.html
    
    and this Government hasn’t a clue on how to manage matters during lockdown anyway.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127107891/urgent-issues-report-reveals-how-weaknesses-in-covid19-response-were-exposed-by-delta-variant
    
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    November 26, 2021 6:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Who has the authority to order health issues lock downs–Cabinet (wooden) or the Chief Medical Officer?
      I don’t see how his rightful privilege can be overwritten without coming foul of the Bill of Rights and other law.
      
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      November 26, 2021 6:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Reports are the “vaccine” has reduced the immune systems ability to cope as is evident from new hospitalisations.
  
  How can that protect in the future?
  
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  November 26, 2021 6:56pm
- mawm
  
  Not only a huge economic cost but also a health cost.
  
  I’m sure most of you are now aware of a paper published by Circulation, one of the most regarded of the Am Heart Association’s journals, showing an increase risk in cardiomyopathy, myocarditis and heart attacks following mRNA vaccines. The link was posted last night on GB.
  
  This is a very clear description of the problem by a British cardiologist on GBNews. It appears that this researcher, who is now being slandered throughout the media, is not the only one to find this problem.
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/K2zDTLJcvV6r/
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Thanksgiving in Alaska. 10 pies. Nobody will try and steal them.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o5io7dgd0suis7e/Thanksgiving%20pies.jpg?dl=0
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November 26, 2021 4:02pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Like my partner says…”guns don’t kill people”
  
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  November 26, 2021 4:27pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s right. Bullets kill people.
    
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    November 26, 2021 7:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ask idiot Baldwin
      
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      November 27, 2021 7:54am
Bluegrass

Re the various posts here on diversity hires/training etc, here’s a thought: diversity hires and training has got it completely ass-backwards.

It’s not the locals who should be subjected to compulsory diversity training – it should, instead, be compulsory for those who emigrate to the host country to attend training courses teaching them to respect, appreciate and comply with their host country’s culture, customs and way of life.

Otherwise why did they emigrate?

And the bottom line is that owning your own country means not having to explain things to those from different cultures, and being free to comment without the fear of being labelled racist/[insert the woke pejorative here].
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November 26, 2021 4:48pm
CrazyIvan

I wonder what the Wellington nightlife will be like over the weekend with the USS Howard in port (welcome to our American cousins). Go Navy!
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November 26, 2021 4:53pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Les dames de nuit will be working overtime and extra supplies of condom and lubricant in 40 gallon drums will be needed.
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:23pm
kowtow

More panic fear porn , Botswana version.

Run for the hills.
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November 26, 2021 5:14pm
Fletch

It was always going to happen. Will happen under the red traffic light, too. The system can’t last.

Mataura Licensing Trust staff are being yelled at, assaulted and called ‘’every name under the sun’’ by customers as they try to enforce the Government’s Covid-19 restrictions in hotels and bottle stores in the Gore district.

Trust president Horace McAuley said staff were leaving because of it, which meant the trust was in “crisis mode”.

“People just need to lay off, just lay right off. We have staff being called Nazi’s because they’re asking people to wear masks, and that is completely unreasonable.

“The abuse is the most difficult part of all of this for us to manage, and people are leaving hospitality simply because of that, and we’re not going to tolerate it.’’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127107279/mataura-licensing-trust-in-crisis-mode-as-abuse-from-customers-leads-to-staff-shortages
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November 26, 2021 5:29pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You don’t meet many people called Horace, nowadays
  
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  November 26, 2021 7:58pm
fernglas

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-test-results-taking-up-to-five-days/2LPKJH54XYJXCK3LRWYASRQ66M/
This is going to spoil a few Christmases. By comparison, my wife got a test and a result back within 20 minutes at the airport en route to a country outside Europe.
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