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krazykiwi

Today marks a particularly dark day in the history of New Zealand as the Ardern government’s morality repugnant apartheid regime kicks in.

From today, hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders are to be excluded from swathes of civic life on the basis that they are unclean, a risk to the majority. I’m not going to elucidate the science here. The truth is well known outside the state’s narrative echo chamber.

In pointing out the similarities between our society today, and that of 1930s Germany I am regularly met with scoffing dismissal, prompting me to remind said scoffers that the holocaust did not start with the gas chambers. It started with the state segregating their population along ‘desirable’ vs ‘undesirable’ lines. The latter included Jews, gays, gipsies, the disabled, and latterly anyone who wouldn’t kowtow to the increasingly authoritarian state. Segregation was then followed by national and regionally legislated vilification and exclusion. Then came the broken windows, then the broken legs, and then eventually the trains (“we’ll send your luggage on”).

Ardern has started down this path, firstly by manufacturing enmity when she locked 1.5 million people in their homes and laid the blame for this cessation of civil liberties squarely at the feet of the unvaxxed.

The second phase is now in play with the majority brainwashed into believing that the unvaxxed pose an existential threat to the health of the vaxxed thereby justifying their exclusion from society.

The grotesqueness of all this is amplified by the general population’s casual acceptance of these draconian interventions, and by a state media that rolls out their very best ‘bread and circuses’ propaganda in an apparently successful campaign to quell any dissent.

Looking back through history, state sanctioned segregation of society has always been a hallmark of metastasising tyranny.

And it never ends well.

New Zealand, I have one question: Where is your outrage?
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December 3, 2021 8:00am
- Andrei
  
  Dark, dark day and yet according to Stuff’s “Explainer Editor”, Keith Lynch, today is “Freedom Day”.
  
  Such is the Orwellian world in which we have woken up to on December the 3rd 2021
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:03am
  - CPB
    
    A friend’s 13yo daughter has a full-blown needle phobia. She will not get vaxxed for anyone, and doesn’t need to given she’s not at risk. But as a result she has now been banned from her school camp, dance class and swimming lessons. The Government has made this kid into a social pariah. This is what we’ve become, and the Govt and its media lapdogs celebrate it
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:46am
  - Thumelicus
    
    Happy segregation day! mark it in your calendar for next years festivities!
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:09am
    - Jim
      
      Two minutes of government mandated ‘anti vac hate’ coming in 2022.
      
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      December 4, 2021 12:33pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    “Freedom Day” you say, it looks exactly like, welcome to another day (a different) of Lockdown Tyranny.
    
    The big boss has just opened after a state enforced 4 month closure, subject to only being allowed to open to compliant vaxxers.
    
    The very first customer through the door was an elderly lady, she turned up early for her appointment, no mask, no sign in app, that’s fine manually sign in, no vaccine certificate, no exemption, no doctors letter, no waiting for the vaccine pass to turn (MOH has 70,000 people who they have lost in the system) up we tried everything.
    
    Sorry by law we cannot accept you.
    
    So who pays for the staff member who now has no work? Another hit to the bottom line. Only 20 days before Christmas and then we have 4 public holidays to pay for.
    
    We are a customer service business, we don’t want to be a proxy enforcer for the Government to punish people who do not want to comply with their mandates.
    
    I am truly struggling to go back to work.
    
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    December 3, 2021 11:33am
  - Bluegrass
    
    NZ is way beyond ‘1984’.
    
    See Aldous Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ and universal medication of the proles.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:18pm
- John Pakes
  
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  There is no outrage because there is no outrage.
  You are alone in your own bubble as you attempt with your wild imaginings to compare the New Zealand of today with the Germany of 1930’s.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:06am
  - R
    
    John
    
    You don’t speak for me. You may not be outraged but that’s as far as you can go.
    
    Lockdowns and vaccine mandates are policy failures on a grand scale. People are entitled to be outraged at such policies. History will not be kind to this Government. And I say that as someone firmly on the Left.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:14am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
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      He may not speak for you, but several opinion polls make it quite clear that vaccine mandates are well supported. For some sectors the public support is very high, over 80%, for instance the vaccine mandates in the health sector and the education sector.
      
      National, and to a significant extent, Act, also support vaccine mandates.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:21am
      - solarsailer
        
        Polls also put National at 25%, give or take.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:30am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Wayne yes there is public support but that doesnt mean its morally or ethically right. I can point to history where populations supported regimes ( wont name names to avoid the usual rabbles out bursts) that history subsequently condemned on a grand scale.
        I am double vaxxed and have been getting vaxxed since Polio in the 1950s. I am a vax believer.
        
        But I am also a believer in freedom of the individual to not be denied their freedoms.
        
        Wayne alas you and former politicians have and the current lot are stripping away freedoms my Grandfather fought for in WW1 and my Father in WW2.
        And this needs to be repeated over and over again unless we are to be denied ALL our freedoms.
        
        Freedom believers like myself are under threat every day for speaking up and speaking out. This Government wants to take away the right to speak freely and is doing so.
        
        I dont want to live in a regime such as the Prime Minister supports and that is China.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:37am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Singling out a minority and using them as scapegoats for government failure, is a common political tactic precisely because it attracts popular support.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:42am
      - Sacha
        
        I know some pro-vaccination people who no doubt support the ‘mandate’ for vaccination, but they also feel that it is a matter of personal choice. They live and let live.
        Vaccination is for the safety of the individual, so in a sense ‘selfish’. Some people hide their concern for self by claiming that they are supporting the greater good – by way of the mandate, but
        we all know that the vaccinated can pass the virus on to others, and apparently that’s ok, because if the others are unvaccinated, they bloody well deserve what happens to them.
        And attitudes like that have a distinctly Nazi tone about them.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:52am
      - dime
        
        “He may not speak for you, but several opinion polls make it quite clear that vaccine mandates are well supported.”
        
        And album sales in 1990 suggest that New Kids on the Block were the best band in the world.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:58am
      - Bob
        
        Wayne,
        If you had paused and thought about what you have just written; you would have realised that the 80% support figure is a figment of the imagination. There has been a steady deliberate ‘dumbing down’ of NZ intellects over the last 40 years of education (?). People can no longer think rationally for themselves, it is not part of the NZ education curriculum.
        NZer’s have been ‘spoon feed’ for far too long. Luxon is correct, as was Key and English; we need to increase productivity, and to do that we need a education system that emphasises facts, not ideological and ethnical fiction.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:00am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Always a worthwhile read, Mapping the National Party
        
        Constantly makes me regret voting for National for as long as I did.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:01am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I doubt there will be much support in the queues on SH1. It’s easy to support something that doesn’t affect you as the socialists continue to demonstrate in every aspect of policy.
        
        In my view the case for mandates to protect others is now dismally weak and the social division being created is simply evil.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:13am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Consensus among one group does not necessarily extend to all. The Bill of Rights however is a blanket coverage but now they are picking holes in it.
        The Rule of Law has been abandoned. One episode fosters another.
        A Government cannot run to opinion polls, it requires justice, integrity, executorship and the ability to stand up accordingly.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:17am
      - tf78
        
        Wayne, I bet they weren’t all willing recipients, the threat of no job really did the trick.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:18am
      - burt
        
        Wayne
        
        The actions that krazykiwi speaks of were also well supported at the time. Are you going to argue that because they were well supported and popular at the time that they were therefore the right thing to do?
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:25am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Giving weight to opinion polls conducted on a deliberately and fraudulently terrorised population? With ethics like that you could have a new career in vaccine marketing, Wayne.
        
        Oh, and there you are again.. with your “It’s the right thing to do because National wouldn’t do any different” line of reasoning. Still, for someone whose principles flap around in the electoral breeze that’s not unexpected.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And apparently the German population thought Me Hitler and his policies were wonderful. Bravo Mr Mapp. Bravo.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:55am
      - Russ the Muss
        
        The tryrany of the majority? I guess perception is reality for many and those perceived to be slighted are not going away. The 20% against are a hard against as opposed to a soft for that many would be. The irony of all this of course is the amount of power Winston first had with just 5%…. democracy works in mysterious ways!!!
        
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        December 3, 2021 11:06am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        Sir, if this blog was a Circus, you would be a Clown and not a very good one.
        
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        December 3, 2021 11:40am
      - Local Miller
        
        And this is why I won’t vote Liebour, National or Act. I’d rather spoil my ballet thank you.
        
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        December 3, 2021 1:17pm
      - bronny1
        
        well lets see what happens with people become due for boosters.
        Oh wait! that won’t happen for 6 months, even for those vaxxed back in April.
        Because its not about health.
        
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        December 3, 2021 1:51pm
      - freemark
        
        Of course they support them. They’ve been scared witless by almost 2 years of generally dishonest commentary, farcical models, and wall-to-wall propaganda. If more people knew the actual risks of the virus, the effectiveness of the jabs, and the situation we would be in now if we had followed the pandemic plans they would boot the Govts, string up the MSM, and slap the so-called “experts” into touch, permanently.
        
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        December 3, 2021 1:59pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Wayne I agree but a majority of Germans supported the race laws didn’t make them right though.
        
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        December 3, 2021 3:45pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        There’s a word that very well describes you Wayne and John, and the word is “baaaaaaa…”
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:27pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      BTW Some of us remember being both aghast and laughing at East Germans having to carry and show ID papers.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        History never repeats itself ///
        
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        December 3, 2021 12:43pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Morning John.
    Just here to collect downticks again I see.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:15am
    - John Pakes
      
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      No, I am not.
      It disgusts me to see New Zealanders in their opposition to our Vaccine Passports sinking to the low level of trying to compare the suffering of Germany as a result of Nazism to perhaps not being allowed to go to a movie.
      I say again, it is disgusting, and I would rank KrazyKiwi as one of the most disgusting as he persists day after day to pretend that it is the same.
      That I have already collected a good number of down ticks reinforces the fact that this blog has become nothing but an anti vax voice piece.
      Sorry for the anger, but I am.
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:27am
      - Wired-one
        
        I’m not anti vax, I’m fully vaccinated. Please don’t speak on my behalf.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:33am
      - amospicton
        
        It’s not antivaxx it’s anti-compulsion and segregation. The unvaccinated’s risk to the rest of us has been grotesquely distorted and you have to ask why? Are they stupid or fascist? Has to be one of the two John.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:34am
      - bartybart
        
        an angry leftie, constantly let down by dear leader
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:34am
      - septic skeptic
        
        You are wrong. Some of these downticks are from people like me who went to great lengths to Vax early. Maybe we believe in informed consent rather than coerced compliance. As KK points out, the holocaust did not start with the gas chambers.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:34am
      - igm
        
        You sure cannot face reality and facts . . . are you related to Ardern?
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:35am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Ah! So there is some outrage. Splendid. Now I get that obsequious sycophancy brooks no criticism of its heroes, and in this John you are a masterclass. So be disgusted with my blessing, John. You and your ilk are responsible for the most reprehensible dismantling of civil society in New Zealand’s history.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:36am
      - Inandout
        
        JP, if you wish to travel into Maori enclaves make sure you dutifully show your passport to Rangi at the wāhitaki.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:38am
      - CPB
        
        I’m vaccinated, but absolutely anti-mandate and anti-papers. Some people simply have principles they’re not prepared to sacrifice for others feelings
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        A few points, which I hope you take in the good grace they are offered.
        
        Nazi Germany did not start by killing Jews. It started by turning people against each other.
        
        “not being allowed to go to a movie” Really? and eating places, and most importantly and increasing number of employment opportunities. I don’t have time to list all the venues that unvaccinated people will be excluded from.
        
        “this blog has become nothing but an anti vax voice piece.”
        
        Well the host of the blog is not that.
        
        I am not that. I have been a strong supporter of the vaccines from day 1. And despite their unfortunate shortcomings and side effects, I am still pleased that I am vaccinated.
        
        However I am opposed to COVID vaccine mandates. I have provided my reasons in detail. You can look them up if you can be bothered. I don’t have time this morning to list all the reasons again. But the main one is that the COVID vaccine offers moderate to poor protection against infection. It offers moderate to excellent protection against serious illness and death. Think about it. How does a vaccine with such efficacy justify punishing 350,000 people.
        
        If you are 60, have diabetes and are obese, and are unvaccinated, you have made a very foolish decision – in my opinion. If you are 20 in excellent health, it really does not matter that much. Yes 20 year old healthy folk have died of COVID. But they also die in car accidents. In fact the incidence of car accident death is probably higher.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:39am
      - 7kiwi11
        
        No John, you can be pro vaxxed and be fully vaxxed and still be outraged that our country is now segregated and our freedom of movement curtailed. What makes it more outrageous is that these Orwellian measures don’t even keep us separated from people who may have Covid, as fully vaxxed can still carry and spread the virus.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:44am
      - Dairy Flat
        
        I’m “fully” vaccinated yet generally agree with krazykiwi, so how do you explain that? You may not see what is happening but that won’t stop it happening.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:46am
      - Homas
        
        You’re unpopular therefore you’re right?
        
        Bet that sounds pretty flash in Latin.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:52am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        I am angry too.
        Not because of people being against vax passes because they are wrong. It’s that simple.
        
        I am angry because there is an argument that the vax passes are needed. They shouldn’t be. This useless Labour Government had over a year and a half to ensure that the system could handle an influx of cases and they didn’t even try. They didn’t even point out that keeping fit and healthy and eating well will decrease your risk.
        
        Their incompetence has lead directly to people losing their rights over their own bodies. We should all be furious.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:52am
      - alloytoo
        
        Vaccines and Vaccine passports are two different things.
        
        The vaccine will hopefully reduce the impact of the disease on the individual and thus the impact on the health system.
        
        The vaccine passports do nothing.
        
        Ostensibly they are, in defiance of a century of medical science, supposed to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.
        
        That is patently absurd.
        
        They don’t protect anybody from anything.
        
        They are a waste of time, money and effort from a government which is bankrupt of ideas.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:14am
      - westernScientest
        
        I posted a link to a book written by an Italian Gent in 1932 yesterday, I suspect you would whole-heartedly agree with him and his political doctrine.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:16am
      - Spoff
        
        “That I have already collected a good number of down ticks reinforces the fact that this blog has become nothing but an anti vax voice piece.”
        – as little johnny’s mother proudly looks on from the sidelines remarking “Look at my johnny – he’s the only one in step!”
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:24am
      - fisho
        
        Hi John. I’m disgusted at the authoritarian attitude that COVID has brought out in many people, along with the inability of many people to apply critical thinking any more. We are truly seeing an accelerating decline of Western civilisation, being led by Westerners themselves (aka the ‘useful idiots’).
        I’m double vaccinated, however I don’t support mandatory vaccination and I do not support restricting the freedom of those who are not double vacc’d. If you’re doubled vacc’d what do you have to worry about, honestly?
        The facts are, sufficient time has been provided for everyone in NZ, those at highest risk of a serious infection or otherwise, to get themselves vaccinated. If they have CHOSEN not to, then that is their CHOICE. They have decided to take a risk and may pay the ultimate price for this, but it’s no different than the risks we take every day when we hop in the car to drive to work, go for a swim in the sea, fly in an aircraft, go out into the sun, cross the road, swallow something without chewing it properly, eat a crustacean for the first time etc etc.
        The only real advantage I can see from a fully vacc’d population is lower likelihood of excessive strain on the health system and, to be perfectly honest, your mates have had 18 months+ to sort this out and they haven’t bothered to lift a finger, so this is on them, not the population of NZ (vacc’d or unvacc’d).
        So my advice to you, climb down from your soap-box/pulpit, get your nose out of other people’s lives and concentrate on addressing your own shortcomings.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:32am
      - Lance
        
        @Benedict
        I know it is random thrown around as an example of poor life choices..BUT..I am 60 and I have type 2 Diabetes.
        There is a long family history of this condition.
        HOWEVER I actively manage it, do what my doctor tells me, keep my blood sugars in the normal range, exercise as recommended and keep every hospital appointment.
        So far after 25 years I have no detrimental effects, all organs function nominally and my eye sight is near perfect.
        
        The problem is people that ignore the condition, ignore their doctors advice, won’t test their blood sugar levels and eat the wrong foods. Things go bad very quickly with behaviour like this.
        I am at a loss as to why people would be so stupid but it obviously happens and on a large scale… crazy.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:46am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        I suppose your going to say my post about East Germans having to carry ID papers is a lie and outrageous.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:50am
      - burt
        
        I agree 100% with Wired-one.
        
        I’m not anti vax, I’m also fully vaccinated. Please don’t speak on my behalf.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:27am
      - burt
        
        John Pakes
        
        Just remember, if someone in your family is ever asked if there is a history of mental illness in the family they will be justified in answering:
        
        Yes, my ( brother/father/uncle/nephew/grand father/cousin/son – John Pakes) once voted for Ardern and in late 2021 was still a big supporter of her.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:30am
      - rouppe
        
        It is a case of calling it out early.
        
        As had been repeated, fascism and authoritarianism starts with small steps. Which we are starting to see.
        
        By the way, Germany had just announced segregation for unvaccinated
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:51am
      - EssenX
        
        I am also double-vaccinated, but I do not agree with vaccine mandates and/or proof of vaccination requirements to participate in society. I’m sorry if you’re angered that some of us have principles.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:54am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It’s little wonder you get the blowback you do, John. You’re either exceedingly stupid or deliberately obtuse – I don’t care which and it doesn’t really matter.
        
        To suggest that the restrictions on personal freedoms ushered in under urgency, making a travesty of the democratic process, is no more serious than “…perhaps not being allowed to go to a movie” illustrates your lack of understanding of the laws that have now been foisted on us.
        
        Go away and educate yourself, and if you don’t want to do that, then just follow the first part of the instruction.
        
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        December 3, 2021 12:32pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Angry yes, but an angry sheep is not particularly worrying. Wait for the next steps, and you will just give a gentle bleat and follow on, until all your freedoms have gone, and you might even wonder quite how it happened.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:31pm
  - Nickc2
    
    compare the New Zealand of today with the Germany of 1930’s
    
    Compare? Really? In fact, I’d go so far as to say they’re Birds of a Feather so to speak.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:22am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Nickc2, your response is vile.
      Birds of a feather? yeh right.
      Ask any historian on the cause of the holocaust and the comparisons with our society of today in New Zealand and you will be laughed out of court.
      A more simple solution would be perhaps for you to have a discussion with David Farrar about it.
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:46am
      - bartybart
        
        remember the 0800 number to snitch on your neighbours last year pake? just like they snitched on anne frank
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Papers please!”
        Think about your comments when eventually you get asked that.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:56am
      - Thumelicus
        
        The lack of history curriculum in NZ schools is on full display this morning..
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:13am
      - alloytoo
        
        Socialist do as Socialists must.
        
        Their ideas certainly can’t complete, and this must be compelled upon people.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some of us don’t need to discuss things with David Farrar to know about life in Nazi Germany or Nazi-occupied Europe.
        
        Ostracising healthy citizens for the good of the rest of us will never be a scientifically or ethically sound way to behave.
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:05am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Really going to wade in here. John you’re either not very clever or not very grounded in history. Nobody here as far as I can tell has compared what’s happening today with the Germany that the allies discovered in 1945. What they are comparing it with is the Germany of 1934. Is that clear enough or does your blinkered world view prevent you from grasping such a complex concept.
        
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        December 3, 2021 4:26pm
      - jgw739
        
        John, if being in a place makes you angry then why hang around? It can’t be good for you to hate other people’s opinions that much.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:01pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Klaus Schwabian. He’s also out of that genre.
      There is probably a nasty warrior/controller gene lurking in Europe that is currently being expressed.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:23am
- Thought Criminal
  
  You do appear to have godwin fever.
  
  In my opinion he most likely outcome is the best and brightest Kiwis will leave for greener pastures overseas accelerating the decline. Eventually Labour will get kicked out by the public at an election and the long road to healing and recovery will begin.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:16am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    This is a global project. There will be nowhere to escape to. That is the whole intention.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:49am
  - Lance
    
    In other words, the grown ups will have to clean up after the kiddies have run amok.
    Then in a few years when things have returned to sanity, be accused of meanness, heartlessness and racism.
    Then the kiddies will get back in, spend like drunken sailors, achieve nothing and leave the place in ruins again.
    Rinse and repeat.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:52am
  - Bob
    
    long road to healing and recovery …..
    that is if there are any people left who are capable of organising a recovery; not looking too promising with the present lot!
    
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    December 3, 2021 11:21am
- Unity
  
  I am totally outraged. Actually I find this Government and their draconian measures to be a health risk. I constantly feel stressed out with regard to the Maorification of everything also. This is not a nice country to live in. However, unlike many I have spent a lot of time writing to the Government especially with regard to the wrongs being perpetuated on ‘the rest of us’ with regard to things Maori. Of course I’ve achieved zilch!! If only more would do the same perhaps we might get somewhere.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In March 2019, it was “They Are Us”. Hasn’t that gone out the window…
    
    https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1466416479348351000
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:34am
    - Sacha
      
      I know some pro-vaccination people who no doubt support the ‘mandate’ for vaccination, but they also feel that it is a matter of personal choice. They live and let live.
      Vaccination is for the safety of the individual, so in a sense ‘selfish’. Some people hide their concern for self by claiming that they are supporting the greater good – by way of the mandate, but
      we all know that the vaccinated can pass the virus on to others, and apparently that’s ok, because if the others are unvaccinated, they bloody well deserve what happens to them.
      And attitudes like that have a distinctly Nazi tone about them.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:00am
    - Aquataur
      
      Note the shift
      2019 – they are Us
      2020 – Team of 5m
      2021 – Dirty unwashed unvaxxed
      
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      December 3, 2021 1:12pm
      - jgw739
        
        Jacinda Arderns 5 year plan
        2018 – the Year of Wellbeing
        2019 – the Year of Delivery
        2020 – the Year of the Virus
        2021 – the Year of the Vaccine
        2022 – the Year of…..
        Well that didn’t pan out did it?
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:06pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Like you I have been writing to government, experts and journalists. Over a year now. Tumbleweed. Astonishing narrative control has been going on. Anyone not able to see this is willfully ignorant and as responsible for the destruction of the fabric of NZ society as Ardern.
    
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    December 3, 2021 11:09am
  - Aquataur
    
    Only answer is to leave
    
    Don’t wait until it is too late – like the Jews in the late 1930’s and the Rhodesians and Sth Africans.
    
    Our family has pretty much cashed out of property ($10m out, $3m to go – thanks Covid for the lift) and most assets are liquid. All family members have transferable jobs/skills. Shares and cash in overseas entities in case of controls. Ready to go at a moment’s notice. Will be great to get the pension overseas !
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:17pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Go where? No place to run. No place to hide.
      
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      December 4, 2021 4:29am
- MCōs
  
  “the majority brainwashed into believing that the unvaxxed pose an existential threat to the health of the vaxxed”
  
  That’s where your whole argument falls apart.
  Everybody knows, including you, that for whatever reason the healthcare system cannot cope with exploding numbers of infected people, particularly the percentage that needs hospital care.
  As to who has been brainwashed.
  Yeah, well.
  Once you start going on about apartheid and the holocaust I wonder about you, krazy?
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:41am
  - Aquataur
    
    The % that need hospital care are mostly to do with their other choices and importantly age – a healthy 20 yr old who is unvaxxed has a fraction of the chance of requiring a hospital bed than an obese vaxxed 50 yr old
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:20pm
  - bronny1
    
    and anyone with a brain knows that someone under 50 with no comorbidities and a healthy weight has next to no chance of ending up in hospital. I think the figures were like 2 people out of the entire 40-50 year old population if they all got COVID. So under 50s (and even older with no comorbidities) will not be a drain on the health system to anywhere near the extent that the obese fully vaxxed type 2 diabetics with hypertension population will be.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:02pm
    - MCōs
      
      According to the MOH 122/600 of those hospitalized are over 60 in the current outbreak & 128 in their fifties.
      So more than half under fifty.
      They don’t tabulate comorbidities or patient weights. Maybe you have the info.
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:07pm
    - ecco
      
      Some t2 diabetics are not obese. That is a known fact.
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:39pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I mentioned apartheid because that’s precisely what we now have.
    
    I didn’t ‘go on about’ the holocaust at all. I did speak of the historically verifiable progression of control through the fabrication of an internal enemy.
    
    Try opening your eyes. Your brain may follow.
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:29pm
- Yvette
  
  Covid-19: Attorney-General David Parker defends Government’s hasty lawmaking
  … Parker, in his speech, said the Government carefully considered how the law affected New Zealanders’ rights, and the balance between individual and collective rights.
  “Taken too far, collective rights are used by communist, fascist, or theocratic regimes to suppress minorities and individual liberties,” he said.
  
  So they are well aware of the potential: what some other people – a lot of them – have said as well.
  
  “Conversely, extreme use of individual liberties ‘trumping’ community rights beget unjust outcomes too. “For now, the only way we can protect the public in the Covid environment without lengthy lockdowns curtailing many liberties is through higher vaccination rates. It really is very hard to achieve community protection against Covid-19.”
  
  The alternative, of course, as well as vaccinating those who do want it, was (still is) to concentrate on offering vaccination to those who need it – and that would have perhaps been better done through GPs, who know their patients and their vulnerabilities and under lying conditions, rather than a regional DHB? There was definitely another approach open to Government, other than the approach they chose.
  
  “How did the general German population allow it to happen?” Because they were more frogs than the French.
  
  quotes –
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127164186/covid19-attorneygeneral-david-parker-defends-governments-hasty-lawmaking
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:45am
- freemark
  
  A colleague is coming (hopefully) coming to Welly to work on my site. Travelling information from “Govt”
  “Before crossing a boundary, workers need to show proof that they’ve had a test within the previous seven days. They don’t need to show proof that they are COVID-19 free and they don’t need to wait for the test results before travelling.”
  Go figure….
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Actually, I have a supplementary:
  
  National, you have carried water for Labour through the past 21 months. You have been consistent in your offering to support or ‘improve on’ Labour’s civil liberty busting interventions.
  
  When will the penny drop that you continue to be complicit in all this?
  
  Where is your outrage?
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Apologies in advance to the Mods for the length of this cut and paste, but the full text is needed for context. Here’s why National opposed the legislation passed last week:
    
    COVID-19 RESPONSE (VACCINATIONS) LEGISLATION BILL
    
    Third Reading
    
    Debate resumed.
    
    CHRIS BISHOP (National): Well, here we are on Wednesday afternoon, and the House is about to pass one of the most far-reaching and significant pieces of legislation that this Parliament will consider, and the House has had precisely 24 hours to look at it—24 hours for the first reading, the second reading, the committee of the whole House stage, and now the third reading. As Dr Dean Knight of Victoria University, that very fine law school, says, it is a constitutional disgrace. The Human Rights Commission has criticised it. The Council for Civil Liberties has criticised the speed with which this bill is being passed, and it reflects an arrogance of the highest order from this Government, that they think they can pass this legislation in just 24 hours without scrutiny. I put it to the Parliament that this is contemptuous of the Parliament. It is contemptuous of the people of New Zealand, and it is contemptuous of the rule of law.
    
    The Government says in its own press releases that 40 percent of people working will potentially be covered by vaccine mandates as a result of this legislation—40 percent. That is hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders. A bill that significant deserves scrutiny. We deserve to get the details right. This bill gives the Government enormous, broad, sweeping powers, in some ways never seen before, to create different categories of New Zealanders. The vaccinated will have different rights and freedoms compared to the unvaccinated. Now, there may well be a justification for some of those limits and for some of that differential treatment, but those are issues for Parliament to consider properly through a robust select committee process. This bill allows the Government to say that if you are an unvaccinated person in a red area of the country—because it also allows the traffic light framework, apparently—who wants to go and get a haircut in Auckland, you can’t. It says if you’re an unvaccinated person who wants to go and buy a beer and meet someone in a bar once the red system kicks in, you can’t.
    
    Now, there is an argument as to whether or not that should be allowed, but the point is there should be a debate about that. We should have a thorough investigation of those issues. These are not issues that are open and shut, where the Government necessarily has it right. But what the Government is asking the Parliament to do is just to assume that the Government does have all the answers and that the framework is correct, and that everything they want to do is going to be fine, and, actually, we don’t necessarily agree on this side of the House.
    
    So I want to lay on the record of the House exactly what has happened. We got this bill on Monday night—Monday night. It’s now Wednesday. It was introduced on Tuesday and put through its first and second reading. There was no select committee process. There is no regulatory impact statement on this bill. The departmental disclosure statement is cursory at best. If you read through it, there’s no detail—absolutely no detail. It’s basically the general policy statement in the explanatory note of the bill, and that’s it. It’s very cursory. The section 7 legal advice—there’s no section 7 report but the legal advice to the Attorney-General explicitly says, at paragragh 2, “This advice has been prepared in relation to the latest version … . The advice has been prepared in an extremely short timeframe due to late receipt of the Bill that was not in compliance with Cabinet Office Guidance.”—that’s the officials themselves saying to the Attorney-General that the bill was done in a rushed way.
    
    We know that there was no New Zealand Bill of Rights Act analysis done before the framework was considered by Cabinet, and we learnt yesterday that the policy papers, the underlying policy rationale, the Cabinet papers and the policy advice to the Minister will be made public but not until January 2022. So we are being asked by the Government to take on trust what they are doing and that it’s based on good, sound public policy advice from the officials. We are being asked to take it on trust. And the thing is, the Government had time to get this right. They did—COVID has been in New Zealand since August and we are now in late November, and the reality is the Government did not have a back-up plan in place if elimination failed, and now we are bearing the consequences.
    
    There was plenty of time to put this out for an exposure draft, for example—to publish the details so people could get their heads around it. And to make matters worse, there will be no post-enactment review of this legislation. I moved during the committee of the whole House stage a very sensible amendment. I said, OK, it’s being passed through, and there’s not a lot we can do about that because we don’t have the numbers, but how about the Health Committee conducts a post-enactment review of the legislation? We could do that really quickly. We’re a pretty hard-working committee. We’ve done it before, as Michael Woodhouse says. Let’s do a post-enactment review. Let’s get the officials in, let’s get the Law Society and the Human Rights Commission in and let’s go through it with a fine-tooth comb—just make sure we’ve got the details right. The Government voted against it. So within 24 hours this bill’s been introduced and it’s going to be law.
    
    Let me deal with a couple of substantive pieces in relation to the bill. The first is in relation to a theme I’ve already covered, which is the power this hands to the Government. I think there is real legal doubt about whether or not the bill actually introduces the power for traffic lights for various regions, because if you read the bill, there is no mention of traffic lights in the bill. And there’s a reason why it’s not called the “COVID-19 Response Traffic Light System or Framework Legislation Bill”. There is no mention of it, and so that is going to be something we’re going to have to have a look at. And again, if we had a select committee stage, we could have gone through and examined that, but we can’t.
    
    On the issue of where and when vaccination certificates will be accepted and in relation to the corollary that applies to people who have to be vaccinated to work in those industries, it is not clear to me from reading the legislation that that is authorised by the bill. So I think there is a real, to use the legal parlance, vires issue here as to whether or not the Government is actually going to have the power that it thinks it’s going to have once the bill passes. Now, that will no doubt be tested by the court, and if I’m right and the Government’s wrong, we’re going to have to come back and legislate again—again—an issue that could have been sorted out.
    
    I think there are real issues of legality here. Justice Cooke, when we discussion around this during the committee of the whole House, made it clear in relation to the mandates that already exist for border workers, that the Government has to get the empowering provisions right. The Government cannot just point to broad sweeping powers and say, “Oh, well, Parliament said we can do that, therefore we can.” Actually, Parliament has to authorise the Government to act in accordance with properly constructed provisions of legislation. That’s the whole point of Justice Cooke’s various comments in that specific case before the High Court. So I really worry that this bill doesn’t actually do what the Government thinks it does.
    
    The final point I want to make is a very important point, and it is that I really worry about the divides that will appear in this country. My inbox is full of people emailing me, telling me that vaccines don’t work, that they don’t like the idea of vaccine mandates, that they don’t like the idea of using vaccine certificates, and that they don’t like the idea of division, to use a vernacular phrase. They don’t like division. If there was one thing a Government could do to solidify and entrench those divisions, it would be this bill. This is not a bill that has been well-thought-through and well ventilated and where we’ve had an argument and a discussion about mandates. It’s not a bill that makes the case for vaccine certificates and carefully calibrates the intrusion on the right not to have medical treatment, and it’s not a bill that carefully calibrates the various rights about discrimination. It’s not a bill that does that. Those are real, legitimate, critical issues, as the legal advice in the section 7 report makes clear.
    
    This bill allows the Government to intrude on all sorts of rights, and it’s not an argument that those rights are not justified; it’s an argument that we have to have a discussion about it. I tell you what happens when you don’t have a discussion about it. It entrenches that division. To do something in a secretive way like this, in a non-transparent way, to ram it through without a select committee process and without any post-enactment scrutiny sends the message to the anti-vaxxers out there and those concerned about mandates and those concerned about certificates that they do have something to fear, that there is something to hide—because, after all, if there wasn’t something to hide, why wouldn’t the Government just do the normal proper process.
    
    This bill will backfire on the Government, not help the Government, and it is wrong in principle. We oppose.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20211123_20211124_28
    
    The speeches of Scott Simpson, Simeon Brown and Simon Watts are also worth reading, along with that of David Seymour. It’s bad law, passed via an appalling process.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:22am
    - solarsailer
      
      To Kiwi’s point. National and ACT’s issue with it is legal, not moral. They don’t oppose mandates. They have no policy that says “If you elect us we will remove mandates because they’re wrong”. They’re poll and focus group driven parties, no different to Labour. The only thing they’re arguing is they’ll be better at delivering the status quo.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:41am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Thanks for your reportback Tony.
      One Chris Bishop is worth a 100 Labour “Ministers”.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:31am
      - Bob
        
        100 Labour Ministers!…perish the thought.!
        I/m too old for such heart attack thoughts.
        
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        December 3, 2021 11:22am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Sure Tony.
      
      But, there’s a but.
      
      I calculate that 0.002% of New Zealand’s population read, or heard that. I’m sure debating chamber resounded with “Hear! Hear!” after these fine MPs delivered their best. But that’s it.
      
      And it’s not enough.
      
      Not enough by far.
      
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      December 3, 2021 11:41am
  - westernScientest
    
    I have not been impressed by ACT recently, but for what it is worth I think the penny is starting to drop for them.
    
    Here is Seymores 3rd reading (opposed) response for the mandatory vax bill:
    https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=222483
    
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    December 3, 2021 10:24am
    - westernScientest
      
      to add to that, on testing
      
      https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=222444
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:35am
    - westernScientest
      
      on the interaction with the bill of rights
      
      https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=222431
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:48am
    - mawm
      
      All Seymour did was repeat the failures of Labour. We all know them.
      
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      December 3, 2021 2:15pm
  - dcrane
    
    No doubt Luxon thinks he’s being a revolutionary in calling for Auckland to be in the green. But the message endorses the traffic light approach from the start. Useless.
    
    So sad to see this day called “Freedom Day” in the press. The irony, it burns.
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:08pm
- Scooter
  
  Segregation is happening now in Germany ahead of mandatory vaccinations in Feb.
  Unvacc’d will not be allowed in non essential shops, bars, restaurants, places of culture or leisure.
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2021/12/02/germany-announces-a-lockdown-for-its-unvaccinated
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:03am
- redeye
  
  Yesterday I saw a post on our local community page advising that the local volunteer fire brigade were forced to stand down 6 of their volunteers because they were unvaxxed. And that service might be limited but the next town over had promised to help if they run into trouble.
  One of the comments read; ‘Very sorry but the safety of those being rescued is paramount’
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:19am
  - Aquataur
    
    It could well have been the Volunteer Brigade my daughter belongs to.
    
    6 stood down out of about 25.
    2 of those 6 are trained paramedics
    
    Coming into a long hot summer.
    
    The trucks don’t roll until a full complement – arrive – losing 6 members may well delay a truck by 3-5 mins. Pretty important when minutes count.
    
    And if you do get a truck without a paramedic, and you are in pain – tough luck. Blame Cindy while you are screaming in pain for the 30 – 40 mins for the ambulance to arrive.
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:25pm
  - bronny1
    
    OMFG. The irony.
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:45pm
- Aunty
  
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  The only outrage New Zealanders have, krazykiwi, is for whackjobs like you and your fellow travelers, who are wrong, wrong, wrong on practically everything to do with this virus.
  
  You want to do the right thing for a change, about Covid, krazy? Stop being a freeloader, pull your weight and go and get vaccinated.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:22am
  - R
    
    Is that you, Jacinda?
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:17pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Of course Aunty – such a deadly virus there are people dropping dead in the streets – NOT.
    Tell us again – how many people have caught the virus in NZ, and how many people have died? And remember that they mainly die of their other health issues – like the guy who was shot dead with a shotgun the other day, but it was entere as a Covid death.
    Oh – but you’d agree with that, of course.
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:26pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Based on today’s stats (via RNZ)…
      
      There have been 5,734 unvaccinated cases in the Delta outbreak (includes 2083 < 12)
      
      There have 15 deaths which I'll count as unvaccinated, even though 2 were partial and 3 fully vaccinated.
      
      So 15/5734 = 0.26% Case Fatality Rate for unvaccinated people: 0.17% counting only the unvaccinated deaths.
      
      Why that's as scary as the seasonal flu (0.1% typically)
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:58pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Would you like to document how and why I’ve been “wrong, wrong, wrong on practically everything to do with this virus”? I’m up for being corrected. It might mean, you know, you reading something other than The Herald for your information sources.
    
    Tell you what. You give me a convincing summary of the impact of delayed IgG and/or IgM levels soon after a pre-symptomatic Covdi-19 sufferer becomes symptomatic and I promise to get the shot, and to tattoo “Aunty Told Me To” right next to the injection zone.
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:25pm
    - Aunty
      
      Lol, you wouldn’t know the difference between an IgM molecule, an IgA an IgE an IgD or an IgG class of antibody if you fell over them in the street! So dont think you csn bamboozle me with a lot of big words as you do with others around here, because on me it wont work! All you do is to further show me how utterly clueless you are you about all these things, how they work and what is their function.
      
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      December 3, 2021 5:21pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        8 months ago you’d have been correct, Aunty. No matter. I guess you’re not taking up the offer. I’ll cancel the tattooist.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:15pm
- Chris R
  
  I am fully vaxxed as of today. What requirements are ahead of us are presently unknown. I do not readily accept comparisons with earlier regimes in other countries. That said; I fear that the despotic nature of Ardern and the rank stupidity of her inner circle members give me concern that authoritarianism is her favoured state. In the meantime I take comfort from discerning that the traffic-light procedures are poorly understood and are unlikely to operate, if at all, for very long. The traffic light procedure is a direct and accurate depiction of everything Ardern’s circus has tried to effect in the past and have lied about more or less daily. Ardern is history but is too stupid to realise this.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:35am
  - Thumelicus
    
    Fully vaccinated.. that’s a laugh, wait till you hear about boosters and boosters every 6 months or your vax pass is revoked, wait till you hear the discussions in UK parliament about repeated injections every 3 months.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:49pm
- curry4me
  
  krazykiwi: Sorry, I have but one tick to give. I’m in the ‘undesirable’ camp.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:22am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Some predictions:
  
  The current attempt, beginning today, to coerce vaccine-sceptics/civil rights-respecters/free-thinkers through ostracisation and the removal of liberties will not work as intended (i.e. full and ongoing compliance to mandates, issued in whatever quantity or quality as is arbitrarily deemed necessary). It will transpire that too many will be able to cope just fine, and may even enjoy the segregation from the compliant masses, owing to an increasing sense of moral rejuvenation and empowerment that the compliant will lack.
  
  In time, high case-numbers among the vaccinated community will, through some twisted logic, be blamed on the above unvaccinated section of society, aka the Free Men. We will be scapegoated further. This will be used to claim that the morally upright, free-thinking holdouts must be forced – if they weren’t already – to be vaccinated (with the substance that, as per above, has no clinical purpose due to its inefficacy). Fines will be imposed based solely on status, and detention will ensue if fines go unheeded. “Conspiracy theorists” will, yet again, have their predictions vindicated. Some will still not get it, however.
  
  The end goal of the collective events over the last 20 months (a universal digital social credit device, initially based on vaccine status, but including also a centralised digital currency system and carbon allowance mechanism, among other features) cannot work where a significant proportion of dissidents cannot be made to comply.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:49am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I concur. This is what is happening in Europe right now as the hubris-filled elites double down on their vaxx and authoritarian power grab strategies.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:50pm
    - bronny1
      
      https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/02/germany-announces-a-lockdown-for-its-unvaccinated
      
      mandatory vax coming there too.
      I don’t get how these world leaders are so thick? Can they not see that highly vaxxed countries are doing worst?
      
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      December 3, 2021 3:50pm
- Okahu
  
  You are afraid krazy. We can see. You have supped deeply from the well of fear porn you have discovered. And it has clearly terrified you so that now your head is full of dark, tyrannical notions. Thank dog you have us to tell your fears too! To mumble your sweet nothings which apparently you believe gain in truthiness with every repetition. What hideous destructive place might you have found in your single minded quest for terror without the satisfying and consoling ‘there, there’ of a hundred stranger’s upticks?
  
  But hope krazy, I give you hope. My nan always used to tell us of her mum, who would declare, ‘when I’m down in the dumps I get myself a hat!’ To which those assorted would reply, ‘we wondered where you got them!’
  
  Now I think the sentiment is accurate. Lift your eyes from the gloom at the bottom of the fear porn well. No good will come of your labours in winding it’s contents to the surface. Put the pail down krazy and walk away from your hole.
  
  Maybe get out and take in the sights of all the happy smiley people goose stepping past Fraser House! See the 30m portraits of the Dear Leader hung from the buildings. Get yourself a boiled cabbage pie at the new state cafe and maybe get yourself a new hat. Some say it helps …
  
  Hold on. No Vax! No pass! Bugger!
  
  As you were krazy. What’s your record? 207 upticks? Everybody! Krazy needs you! Uptick! Validate! Console!
  
  There there krazy. There there.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:35am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Wow, Okahu. Ad homs as discombobulated poetry. Desperate stuff.
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:41pm
- virtualmark
  
  krazy,
  
  94% of eligible Kiwis have had at least 1 vaccine shot, 87% of them have had 2. Pragmatically, there’s not many things that 94% of Kiwis will agree on, so let’s all be grown-ups and accept that this has overwhelming support.
  
  Now you’re free to be part of the 6% who aren’t vaxxed. Personal choice. Fair enough. Or you’re free to feel some sympathy for the 6%.
  
  But I always thought that liberals and conservatives believed people need to make their own decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions.
  
  Well, the two prices of letting people make their own individual choices about whether to get vaxxed or not are that (1) we need to have some way of knowing which decision you’ve made, and (2) the people who decided not to get vaxxed may face consequences. Social consequences. Employment consequences. Health consequences. Etc.
  
  Complaining about this says to me you want people to have their cake and eat it too. That’s toddler logic not adult behaviour. As Chopper would say, people need to “Harden the fuck up”.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Got it. I’ll mark you down as “Supports coercion for acceptance of medical procedure” and “Supports punishment for rejecting medical procedure”. Despots and dictators applaud your chutzpah.
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:46pm
    - Aunty
      
      Hey, krazy, did you see this one in today’s paper?
      
      When I saw the list of Do Not, I thought of you…….
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-delta-outbreak-cheviot-tea-rooms-vaccine-pass-sign-wins-admirers/WENRPAATFHD3O477ITBAV7QHKE/
      
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      December 3, 2021 3:15pm
    - virtualmark
      
      No, not supporting coercion so don’t mis-represent my position.
      
      I don’t support a *Government* vaccine mandate. Whether to be vaccinated or not should be up to the individual, not imposed on them by the Government.
      
      I do support businesses being able to decline service or employment to the unvaxxed … as with individuals they can make their own decisions and bear whatever consequences there are from those.
      
      I don’t support people making the choice freely *and then whining about the consequences of that choice*. You get to weigh your views on vaccination, medical risk, social access and social status … and then you make your choice. But own it. If you want to whine then you’re just a right-wing snowflake.
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:19pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        You are *absolutely* supporting coercion. Time you owned that. And owned it as someone with an apparently deeply vested interest in the vaccination industry.
        
        “I don’t support people making the choice freely *and then whining about the consequences of that choice*”
        
        That’s a bit rich. Granted that some people have made the choice freely. But a great many have made it reluctantly based on coercion and threats. Hardly freely. And hardly with informed consent given the restricted or downright fraudulent information made available from the podium of truth.
        
        As for the consequences, when they change – which has been the pattern – how can you assert that someone shouldn’t whine? It’s gone from two shots to get your life back, to shots every six months in perpetuity. A person who has chosen to not get vaccinated and to incur some downside medial risk is absolutely allowed to whine then the state tells them that decision will cost them their job. Or in the instance of Austria or Greece or (shortly) German have them sent to prison.
        
        The view from atop that enormous moral high-horse upon which you sit must be spectacular.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:09pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Show me any comment I’ve made here where I’ve advocated vaccines being compulsory. I’ll wait …
        
        Meanwhile … stop the whining snowflake. The “coercion and threats” are just plain common-sense restrictions for people who aren’t vaccinated against a contagious disease in a global pandemic. Your personal choice to not get vaccinated places unnecessary risks and costs on the 90% of the population who have. So yes, the public has a moral and legal right to restrict your access to places where other people gather.
        
        That’s a story at least a thousand years old … except nowadays we’re not asking you to wear a bell and call out “unclean” as you walk down the street.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:42pm
      - jgw739
        
        Would you support businesses denying service to someone because of gender, race or creed?
        I’m picking you would say no.
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:43pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Struggling with the distinction between coercion and compulsion, virtualmark?
        
        It appears so.
        
        Or perhaps it’s wriggling a bit on the hook.
        
        No matter.
        
        “Your personal choice to not get vaccinated places unnecessary risks and costs on the 90% of the population who have”. Oh dear. Or dear. You’re saying the vaccines don’t work?
        
        If you’re going to take the “Oh my God, just LOOK at the cost to the health system” angle then let’s talk about deliberately obese Type-II diabetes sufferers shall we. What coercion do you support to get them to trimed down – mm? Prison perhaps? Forced starvation? And the elderly are pretty selfish in their costliness too. Shall we just ‘off’ them to keep the health system from becoming overwhelmed?
        
        As for “the public has a moral and legal right to restrict your access to places where other people gather”… what unmitigated nonsense. There is no differential risk posed on public health by vaxxed vs unvaxxed, and you know this well enough. That is a tired old trope the supporting evidence of which as long since bolted.
        
        “except nowadays we’re not asking you to wear a bell and call out “unclean” as you walk down the street”. Now I know you’re trying to be obtuse. You’re lamely asserting that the absence of the digital pass is somehow ‘better’ than being forced to wear a bell? The cafe owner owner who today declined to serve me (“Sorry, I’m not allowed to have you in here”) was not a ‘bell’?
        
        This compulsion and exclusion of the unvaxxed makes you hot and clammy. Own it, vaxman, Own it.
        
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        December 3, 2021 7:26pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Jgw,
        
        No I would not support that. Because (a) gender, race and creed are not choices the person has made, while vaccine status is and (b) their gender,race and creed don’t pose any risk to my or others health. The problem the unvaxxed pose is they increase the risk to others – they represent negative externalities.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:31pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Krazy,
        
        Once again you’re demonstrating why your username is deserved.
        
        The vaccines are good but not perfect. That is what it is. But they hugely reduce my medical risk vs being unvaxxed. And I am much more likely to contract a breakthrough infection from a unvaxxed person than I am from a vaxxed one. So yes, you’re an unnecessary and heightened risk to the people around you. Your personal choices have negative impacts on others.
        
        Now, if and when obesity becomes contagious then maybe we’ll have to rethink how we treat obese people. But you and I both know it isn’t contagious, isn’t going to become contagious, and that you’re just being thick. I guess that’s what comes from getting your medical education from Facebook.
        
        If you had listened to real medical practitioners you’d find the overwhelming majority of them know there is a big differential risk between vaxxed and unvaxxed. Sure, there’s the occasional crank who says otherwise, but they’re probably as nutty as you are.
        
        Sorry to hear you couldnt go to a cafe today … but that’s consequences. Which is where this conversation started. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. But hey, you’re finally a winner! Good for you.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:39pm
  - amospicton
    
    But it wasn’t free choice virtual. I could see no medical reason to get jabbed personally but did so because I could see life getting pretty difficult if I didn’t. So yes, I’m part of the 94%, but not as a vote for collective unity, not because I thought the vaccine would save me, but for weak, pragmatic reasons that I’m nearly ashamed of. I was coerced basically.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:25pm
    - virtualmark
      
      So you weighed the pros and cons and, on balance, decided to get vaccinated. Good for you. Own your choice. Stop griping.
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:21pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    I’m vaccinated, but I reject Jacinda’s vaccine certificates. There are a lot of people like me. You didn’t account for us in your analysis.
    
    Why am I OK with the vaccine but strongly opposed to vaccine certificates? Just take a look at yourself! You are already seeing society as us and them, the vaxed and the unvaxed; and you have already started to “other” the unvaxed portraying them as vile and unclean. What a good little socialist/fascist collaborator you are. They’ll have you dobbing in your unvaxed neighbours to the secret police in no time.
    
    When people die from covid in this country, as they inevitably will, Jacinda is going to unfairly blame the unvaxed for the deaths. Really it will be the government’s fault for not preparing the health system better, but she is going to blame the unvaxed. She has already prepared the narrative for this by selling the lie that the unvaxed endanger the vaxed whereas the reality is that it is the other way around.
    
    Now what do you think is going to happen when Jacinda starts blaming the unvaxed for people dying. There will be a backlash. There will be calls for the unvaxed to be banned from supermarkets so they won’t be able to buy food. There will be calls for them to be rounded up and forcibly vaccinated or locked away in concentration camps, as is already happening in Germany – Austria – Australia.
    
    And when that happens collaborators like you will go along with it. And I’ll be standing with the unvaxed.
    
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    December 3, 2021 5:28pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Collaborators. Socialist/fascists. Dobbing in. Concentration camps. Rounded up. Locked away.
      
      Jeesh. Do you ever read your own stuff when you’re sober? Rational balanced person don’t talk like that.
      
      You are free to decide whether you get vaccinated. You are free to decide whether you then get the vaccine passport or not. I. Don’t. Care.
      
      But make your choice and then stop complaining.
      
      You types all think you’re super-independent super-smart uber-menschs. But then you whine like little girls. You are just as much snowflakes as all those woke lefties that you despise are.
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:45pm
- Spongebobby
  
  This government is run by delusional narcissists who will say anything to help them sleep at night. In RNZ today Grant Robertson was quoted as saying:
  
  “Of the eligible population, we now have 93 percent with a first dose and 87 percent with full vaccination. Of the remaining five DHBs still to reach 90 percent first dose, the Lakes DHB has just 785 more vaccinations to go and the West Coast DHB 284 to reach the target,” he said.
  
  He said the number of vaccinations showed that those who tried to portray New Zealand as a divided nation over getting the jab were wrong.
  
  “Getting 90 percent-plus of New Zealanders to agree on anything is a highly unusual achievement.”
  
  Dear Grant, Jacinda and the complicit others.
  
  I did NOT agree. I was coerced. I was bullied. I was blackmailed. This a a medical mandate by stealth and outright abuse of the citizens of this country.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:51pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Nah. Just idiots who can’t understand that doing the absolute minimum possible to contribute to a healthier society while inadvertently improving their own prospects have generously been given a bit of encouragement.
    You’re welcome.
    
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    December 4, 2021 2:25am
- Jim
  
  Bravo KK, that is exactly how I view the disgusting political tactics employed by Ardern and the compliant MSM propagandised narrative that has permeated a once free, open and welcoming society.
  Today is indeed a dark day in NZ history, and it makes me feel positively sick when people call it ‘freedom day’
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:08pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  Why not kick off the day with the stupidity prize winner?
  
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  December 4, 2021 2:19am
Benedict Yu

So police / iwi teams are going to stop and check the vaccination status of every passenger in every vehicle entering Northland.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457068/police-and-iwi-to-set-up-checkpoints-on-northland-auckland-border

Not long after arriving in New Zealand, I set off from Auckland on 27 December to head for places north. I still remember the traffic jams.

What will be the effect of every car being stopped and checked? And dealing with unvaccinated people, collecting their details, arguing with them?

It will be fascinating to see what happens.
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December 3, 2021 8:00am
- Leofric
  
  What right have iwi got to stop anybody? Screw them.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The Government passed that law under urgency a couple of weeks back? Remember? It provides for the police to grant iwi permission to set up road blocks.
    
    No it did not get much coverage. I posted a link to the clauses here. Sorry don’t have time to look again. So yes if an authorised “Iwi representative” stops your car and you drive through you can be arrested.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As long as they are authorised, Iwi have every right to stop Vehicles and check for vax passports.
    
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2021/0068/latest/LMS552333.html
    
    This legislation was passed last month (19/11)
    
    Didn’t you read/hear/see all the articles about it?///
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:50am
    - sooty
      
      Who thinks that due operating constraints that the poolice will be called away and leave just the gang heavy on the roadblock! Are the gangs going to become Masseys Cossacks!
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:27am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I suspect civil disorder will break out at the check points. Dads in hot cars with children who have sitting for hours in traffic and grumpy. Honi and his mates at the checkpoint demand to see their papers. Dad and a number of other Dads decide rather than showing their papers they will show their displeasure at being stopped by The Special People on the Queens Highway in contravention of the common law.
    
    It will not end well. And Cindy et al will be surprised and tilt head.
    
    This is the Agenda. To set citizen against citizen. To divide and rule.
    
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    December 3, 2021 11:40am
    - bronny1
      
      nah, the Dads will listen to the bro’s and turn around and go home.
      
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      December 3, 2021 3:56pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Give it less than a week if it’s a fuckup. If there is wall-to-wall coverage of 3-hr waits to get into Northland even the feckless won’t be able to spin it.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:10am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    A week? An hour, more likely, given traffic volumes heading north in the Christmas holidays.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:35am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Interestingly police in Northern Auckland have been told the barriers are coming down on the 16th. So something must have changed politically at Bullshit Castle.
      
      If police are brought back from the break to man Hone’s barriers there will be hell to pay.
      
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      December 3, 2021 11:03am
  - ecco
    
    I feel sorry for all the Keri Keri business owners. Their business model is stuffed already with the power Hawawira has in that area.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:08am
  - kevn
    
    @Frank… Pissing and shitting on the side of the road while you wait in lines of traffic… yep, that will be what happens. NZ. Under labour.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  So can the police and Maori wardens anywhere do these road block stop and checks?
  Top of the South traditionally has thousands of inbound visitors and campers during Christmas and New Year.
  If I were Maori, could I set up a roadblock to stop them coming to my place?
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The police have said every car to Northland checked with joint iwi police road blocks. All other roads out of Auckland random checks
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:22am
    - kevn
      
      @BY… have the cops run police clearance checks on the maori road blockers?
      Imagine getting ‘inspected’ by some surly thug.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:19am
      - kevn
        
        gosh… 2 1/2 hours to clear mods. Like a Northland roadblock.
        
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        December 3, 2021 11:48am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes; Maori Wardens were given that authority in the Traffic Light legislation passed with indecent haste last week, under urgency. Note: that legislation was opposed by National and Act…
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:37am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    I predict that we’ll see some very very ugly scenes in the North this summer and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the government and the piss weak police commissioner.
    
    A word on the Maori wardens – I find it disgraceful that they’re being placed in this position through no fault of their own, every Maori warden I’ve ever dealt with has been absolutely the salt of the earth.
    
    I despair for this country and curse the current government to the pits of hell.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:03am
- curry4me
  
  Benedict Yu: Maybe another drop in the polls, and a uick reversal of course. Possibly another Ardern in a few months. Blanket coverage of wedding plans. Maybe the MSM pointing out that Chris Luxon is a Christian. Who knew?
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are people going to have to show their Tribal Affiliation papers so the can exclude Waikato and other ancient enemies?
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:35am
- stewmar
  
  So will the iwi teams that are stopping the vehicles at the Northland border have been double vaxxed or not?
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:57am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Genuine question: how do you say “Please show me your vaccine QR code or alternative recognised means of proof of vaccination” in Maori?
  
  Asking for a bro from the ‘hood.
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:03pm
  - RiP NZ
    
    ‘statue bro’
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:24pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  The effect of the traffic jams is but a minor irritation compared to the inexcusable and illegal moves by iwi to set up roadblocks and impede the lawful progress of New Zealanders.
  
  That the police aid and abet this illegal activity is a disgrace – the Police Minister should for once back them up and realise that “her community” is actually every New Zealander, not just one particular sector.
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:46pm
- Fight4NZ
  
  You are slipping. Roads north will be stopped. It is the norm. Only the checking while stopped is new.
  
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  December 4, 2021 2:28am
mikenmildagain

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Happy International Day of Persons with Disabilities!
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December 3, 2021 8:02am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Disabilities is a micro-aggression.
  It tells people they are unable.
  Differently-abled is the correct term.
  
  You can also trigger the uber-empathetic non-differently-abled on behalf of the differently-abled by using such hurtful and damaging word.
  Think about the impacts of your actions next time, Mike, and check your body-privilege.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I upticked you Mike for your courage in being able to speak openly about your ‘issues’
  
  In fairness, I prefer your opinions on cricket . . .
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:00am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Socialists?
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:37am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Happy International Day, mikie!
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:04pm
mandk

Well done to Upper Hutt Mayor, Wayne Guppy, for deciding that unvaxxed people will not be excluded from council facilities.
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December 3, 2021 8:02am
- Ruawai
  
  The crazy thing is that Ashley Bloomfield said yesterday on ZB that there has been no recorded spread of covid to casual contacts in public places so the risk of a non vaxed person spreading covid in eg retail, library, service station vape store, KFC etc is almost nil.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:59am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Certainly not extrapolating wildly there.
    
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    December 4, 2021 2:31am
alex Masterley

There is always a queue at Wellsford.
An officer could stroll along the stopped cars checking passes.
Easy.
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December 3, 2021 8:05am
- bartybart
  
  if a maori in wellsford came up to my window i’d be taking evasive action
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:07am
- Thought Criminal
  
  A good practical suggestion Alex.
  
  There’s always an easier way to run a police state and restrict people’s personal liberties.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:19am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “He said the rough plans were for TTBC and Northland police to man the portion of State Highway 1 at Uretiti, north of the Waipū turn-off.”
  
  Lol – Uretiti? – the queue will probably go right to the top of the Brynderwyns – what a cluster ….
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/plans-for-borders-at-the-bay-of-islands-canned-tai-tokerau-border-control-and-police-measures-revealed/4YAI44JRV5WRX7LUFUJFKOU6HM/
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Like the queue was at the old one way bridge into Thames, or the current queue on the southern border or just the traffic returning from Coromandel on 27 after a long weekend.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:25am
Maggie Pie

‘Maori Wardens have the statutory right to stop traffic and interrogate you’.

– Andrew (Cuddles) Coster

FFS!!
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December 3, 2021 8:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wait till they claim Tindalls Beach!!!
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  The Hosk. went hard at him this morning almost to the point of calling him a “see u next tuesday”.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    i’m stealing that one for tennis 😀 😀 😀
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:42am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Oh are you, titter
      
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      December 4, 2021 2:36am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    I thought the lovely Marama Davidson had the sole rights to that one!
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:28pm
- pdm
  
  Where did the `cuddles come from?
  
  I thought his name was – Coster the Imposter.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    ZB call him Cuddles because of his beneficent attitude towards gangs, who have become something of a protected species.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:39am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL!!
      Katie got it off me when I txt her with it about 6 months ago.
      Nearly feel off her chair laughing 😀 😀 😀
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:21am
  - igm
    
    “Coster the te lino speaking imposter” is recognised by all and sundry around here.
    Coster is, like his ally Ardern, a disgrace to his position.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  They can also order you to leave the pub, but only if you are a Maori.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Has that happened in recent times? And how do you identify a Maori? I suspect the role of Maori wardens has changed lately.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    How does that work if a person if partially Maori, as almost all – if not all – are?
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:59am
    - alloytoo
      
      Then you have a foot in the door as it were.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      See the law, here:
      https://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1962/0133/latest/whole.html#DLM3262830
      In the act, a Maori is defined as ‘a person of the Maori race of New Zealand; and includes any descendant of such a person’.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:43am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        So it says in that legislation somewhere that you are Maori if cmm agrees to it right? Surely? There can’t be a better way to decide?
        
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        December 4, 2021 2:54am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      100% of maori are less than 100% maori.
      
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      December 3, 2021 12:48pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  Did he cite the law he was referring to?
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is the legislation supporting “traffic lights” – gave ‘authorised iwi representatives’ power to stop and check vaccine status of people in cars.
    
    It got masses of media coverage. Oh wait, the media ignored it. 🙂
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:45am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Wow, I did not know that.
      
      Thanks media.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:04am
    - Ruawai
      
      Do Iwi have authorisation to turn people around or just stop and ask for vax passport?
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:01am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      A term and condition of the ‘Public interest journalism’ financial crutch/bribe was around promoting Treaty partnership and principles, so they can’t say anything sceptical or challenging around ‘Maori aspirations’ or sovereignty…………or shallow power-plays, without risking their next installment.
      
      Sick stuff, really, the way the government shoe-horns in this stuff around entrenched governance, media manipulation, educational indoctrination and even the use of language on so many fronts.
      
      Our media was already like a pale vegan Beta-male, SNAG, whose life-partner has lately been slipping addititives into their meals to chemically castrate them.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:09am
- Cinematic
  
  And if you refuse to submit to their checks what statutory right do these wardens then have? The right to f*ck off.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You can be arrested – see my other comments in the thread.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:46am
- alex Masterley
  
  As I recall there was an amendment to the definition of “Enforcement Officer” in one of the Covid Response acts which extended the definition to include Maori Wardens.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:26am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    From sec 22 of the amended Covid Response Act 2020:
    
    “…
    any person whom the Commissioner recognises as being—
    (i) a Māori warden; or
    (ii) a nominated representative of an iwi organisation; or
    (iii) a Pasifika warden; or
    (iv) a community patroller.
    …”
    Guess any person and their dog could be a “community patroller” – it’s not defined in the Act.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:34am
    - Cassandra
      
      Extraordinary wide powers. A community patroller? What on earth is that?
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:44am
    - cmm
      
      Since it is confusing as to who is or is not a “community patroller” I would like to recommend they all wear some distinctive uniform,
      
      Brown shirts maybe?
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:02am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        cmm – maybe we could all apply to Cost the Impost to be recognised “community patrollers”. That would solve the confusion wouldn’t it?
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:19am
    - Exclamation Mark
      
      Pasifika wardens? I didn’t know their was such a thing.
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:19am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      What identification will they carry?
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:44am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        A hi-viz vest and about 200 kilos 😀
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:58am
      - Ruawai
        
        Wonder what information they will retain on the people they stop, name, address, etc…
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:03am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020
        s 19 Evidence of identity
        
        Every enforcement officer (other than a constable in Police uniform) exercising any of the powers conferred by or under this Act must, at the time of exercising that power, and subsequently on request, produce—
        (a) evidence of that person’s appointment as an enforcement officer; and
        (b) evidence of that person’s identity.
        
        Both docs will probably be in the form of editable pdf same as the vax passport for portability//
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        What’s wrong with brown shirts?
        
        But I suppose arm bands and shiny boots could be trendy too!
        
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        December 3, 2021 10:49am
      - RightFirstTime
        
        A Mongrel Mob patch.
        
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        December 3, 2021 1:24pm
      - david
        
        It seems theoretically valid for every passenger and driver to demand to see the authority of the “road blockers” and their ID, to examine it carefully to ensure current validity and to then pass the documents over to the next passenger in the vehicle.
        If that happened, there would be some not-so-minor confrontations but if the “road-blockees” keep their cool and are polite, the “blockers” would be in breach of their conditions of appointment, the queues would extend, the screaming would intensify and Cuddles would get a call from Poto to fix it.
        Spectator sport at an otherwise dull time of year.
        
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        December 3, 2021 3:20pm
      - Jim
        
        As these ‘wardens’ are acting in an official capacity on behalf of our government IMHO they should have official ID and be subject to the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0094/latest/LMS487890.html
        
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        December 3, 2021 7:35pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Wry surprised to hear Megan Woods deny that this occurred when talking to John MacDonald on Newstalk ZB Canterbury at 1015 this morning.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:18am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Cinders’s gardener could qualify.
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:39am
  - Nickc2
    
    Powers of Arrest next?
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:37am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Not far wrong there Nick – put section sections 18 and 22 of the amended Act together and the DGH or Commissioner (as relevant) can give an “enforcement officer” whatever powers they like already.
      
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      December 3, 2021 8:54am
      - Nickc2
        
        Scary huh?
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:15am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They need some nice Uniforms to look official.
      Black is probably too hot. Perhaps a nice shade of Brown.
      Get Hugo Boss to design them- use NZ wool as well.
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      December 3, 2021 9:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        Black Hugo Boss Hoodies with hand-embroidered Gang insignia. Cool as eh bro?
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:19am
  - kevn
    
    @alex… Let’s see how ugly this whole caper is going to get. Very ugly is my pick.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:22am
    - Jim
      
      Agree this is potentially a societal and political tinder box
      
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      December 3, 2021 7:37pm
- G152
  
  Must have rewritten their charter then
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:32am
- covfefe
  
  Time for the South Island to become independent of the dreaded north
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:34pm
Bridgenag

This article was from my new source of news The Daily Telegraph. Don’t know why it has only surfaced now though. Apologise if you have seen it before

More details on the site ….
A global summit of medical scientists and physicians met in Rome in September to discuss the COVID ‘vaccine’ crisis.
10,000 subsequently signed the Rome Declaration, in which they reaffirmed the Hippocratic Oath to ‘do no harm’, and to demand immediate cessation of the mRNA experimental ‘vaccine’ technology. The purposes of the Declaration are to alert citizens about the deadly consequences of Covid-19 policy makers’ and medical authorities’ unprecedented behaviour; behaviour such as denying patient access to lifesaving early treatments, disrupting the sacred, physician-patient relationship and suppressing open scientific discussion for profits and power
RESOLVED, THAT HEALTHY CHILDREN SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO FORCED VACCINATION

RESOLVED, THAT NATURALLY IMMUNE PERSONS RECOVERED FROM SARS-CoV-2 SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY RESTRICTIONS OR VACCINE MANDATES

RESOLVED, THAT ALL HEALTH AGENCIES AND INSTITUTIONS SHALL CEASE INTERFERING WITH PHYSICIANS TREATING INDIVIDUAL PATIENTS

RECOMMENDED LEGISLATIVE OR EXECUTIVE ACTION: We believe that violating any of these three principles unnecessarily and directly risks death to our citizens. We hereby recommend the leaders of states, provinces and nations legislate or take executive action to prohibit the three practices described above.
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December 3, 2021 8:05am
- Observer of Life
  
  Sorry if this is a repeat. I’ve taken this from a recent Daily Telegraph article talking about New Zealand…..
  “The rate of adverse events associated with the Pfizer vaccine is large and significant. Between 2016 and 2020 there were 7 million doses of seasonal flu vaccine given in NZ; as a result, 1139 people reported adverse effects and there were 6 deaths proximate to vaccination. For the Pfizer vaccine, there have been approximately the same number,—7 million doses administered, but there have been 34,107 reports of adverse reactions and 97 deaths. Thirty times the rate of reactions compared to the flu vaccine. To put this in perspective, prior to covid-19 if a drug under trial was associated with even 50 deaths among participants in the whole population of the USA, the trial would be stopped, and usually abandoned.”
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:02am
- Thumelicus
  
  Please share the link.. the censorship is strong with google this morning, unable to find.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:21am
  - Jim
    
    I noted weeks ago that ANY post on YouTube regarding NZ and the pandemic (even putting the Gov in favourable light like the one that I posted) are ERASED within 3 minutes.
    I challenge anyone to try posting a comment and hyperlink to a Stuff ‘Nothing but the Truth’ article on any YouTube channel, and pif paf poof it totally disappears when you go back in to the channel to see any comment feedback.
    Freedom of speech and democracy!
    
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    December 3, 2021 7:45pm
Bloody Dago

It will be ugly
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December 3, 2021 8:07am
Frank the tank

Random thoughts:

1). “Ominshambles” must be a real fizzer if there are so far no deaths and the scare porn hysteria has waned.
2). How long till most bars don’t request you scan in? I’m betting most places won’t give a rats by mid-Feb.
3). How is Gav’s mystic models predicting the death of every third granny going? Could DPF start a running graph in regards to Gav’s predicted deaths to what is actually happening out there?
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December 3, 2021 8:16am
- bartybart
  
  re 2. there will be a big few days, then a half hearted scanning for a few weeks then nothing. seen how many people scan in these days? been watching and 1 in 10 maximum.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:36am
- G152
  
  Demand to see all staffs certificates before entry and block entry if those certificates are not forthcoming.
  You have the right to keep yourself safe
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:37am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I might have to try that at the Northland roadblocks. Safety first and all.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:18am
- JerJer
  
  I would quite soon there will be no scanning in. I will test it out today. I have no intention in partipating in this childish crap.
  
  I will need to travel early next year, so I will get a passport for that, but, won’t be attending any restuarants or bars that check.
  
  The passports are pointless now anyway. OmniShambles is a joke. Scientists overseas (if you beleive them anymore) says this is spreading so fast, that the world will be overwhelmed within 3-6 months. Everyone will catch it. Here is the kicker, the vaccine probably won’t help much, and to change and roll out the vaccine again takes longer than 3-6 months. Ooops.
  
  On the bright side, it doesn’t really make you sick from the information they have so far, and, it is supposedly so contagious, it will replace the current variant.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:45am
- Frank the tank
  
  Addendum:
  
  4). How many white, middle class Auckland males will contract Kungflu from the “supermarket” visit now that knock shops, strip bars and ‘massage’ establishments are open now?
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:08am
Simon

MSM co-ordinated hit job on Luxon. The new Leader of the Opposition. Its undemocratic, its cartel like, its something out of a banana republic and it’s the result of Labour using massive tax funds to buy MSM. Its quite disgusting.

(For e.g you can see in real time on twitter the sheep assigned “their opinions” on Luxon directly from corrupt MSM. Search “Luxon” on twitter.)

But will Luxon do anything about it? Will Luxon tolerate this anti-democratic, third world corrupt behaviour from MSM and Labo? Will he end all tax payer funding of MSM, including all ad placement?

Will he end taxpayer funding of RNZ? They can move to a subscription model. Will he end NZ on Air, on the basis that its unworkable as its used as a vehicle of corruption by Labo?

NZ slide into a corrupt banana republic continues. But will Luxon propose to do anything about ending this open sewer of corruption?
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December 3, 2021 8:17am
- Prince
  
  I suggest he uses the ‘Ardern method’.
  Say nothing during the election period, then just quietly withdraw any media funding ($55M, ‘free’ Dompost for public servants, top-price ads etc) afterwards.
  If questioned, claim it is an operational matter.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:53am
- thirteenstars
  
  No. He will offer “fixes” because they have no courage. They’ve drunk the Kool-Aid many years ago. It’s about having “conversations” and appealing to that holy centre.
  
  Just like the Marxist cesspool of public education, National will offer more of the same dressed up as “reform”. Hell, National can’t even support ACT’s student education accounts because they’re so bereft of courage.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:18am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I have seen several article saying what Luxon ‘needs’ to do to make NZ prosper. Where’s the bloody articles on what Ardern ‘needs’ to do. She’s the one supposedly running the show after all.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:21am
- westernScientest
  
  na, he will only get rid of the printed versions
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:25am
- septic skeptic
  
  With any luck it won’t matter what Luxon resolves, ACT will be the major coalition partner ?
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:32am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The funding will likely run out before 2023 anyway. As far as RNZ and TVNZ are concerned National will keep them, perhaps as the combined entity that Labour are looking toward.
  
  Short answer! No. Luxon and National will continue to get kicked in the teeth by the likes of Campbell,”Suzi”, Tova and company – and will crawl back for more because it’s exposure.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:49am
- curry4me
  
  Simon: It’d be nice to think ACT would make him rein the MSM in. But, I wouldn’t bet the farm on it
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:37am
KevO'Brien

The outrage is here. Green is obviously not the default colour for this gobblement. The Bill of Rights has been overridden by juvenile ignoramuses.
The compulsory stays at home frees me for other activities.

A consolation. I have just discovered this horrifying video showing the reality of the Covid attack. It’s apparently not by a virus but by humans.
The video is long and is a very detailed real compendium. It even shows microscopic or less imagery of bio processes.

The existence of this video itself demands an answer. A main finding is that it isnot the vaccine but the test probe to be be feared.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GYQJTJ7Vdhud/
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December 3, 2021 8:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  In case the video ref was omitted here it is:
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/GYQJTJ7Vdhud/
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:26am
Southern Raider

The MSM trumpets “freedom day” but
– I can’t cross the regional boundary
– I can’t travel internationally without MIQ
– I can’t go to a concert or watch live sport
– I can’t go to a pub and stand at the bar having a beer
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December 3, 2021 8:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  You are free because we say you are free. If you’re ungrateful, then no more freedom for you. Clear? /s
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:48am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    The “Free” are not free at all, but the “Un-Free” today have a new-found freedom. Sounds stupid, doesn’t it. But its true.
    
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    December 3, 2021 10:56am
- cas
  
  On Point 4 you can where I live!!!
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:17am
- cmm
  
  If you don’t like the freedom you’re getting then we can always take it away from you and give someone who is more grateful double freedoms.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:52am
  - lifesgood
    
    Just like questions at the PM’s News conference.
    
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    December 3, 2021 12:09pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m having trouble buying lunch.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why has Orange become the new green?
    The schema seems thoughtless and devoid of humanity. The govt have imposed a whole new level of lockdown worse than previously.
    Is this targeting Christian churches too as worshop services are to be denied to the “unvaxxed”.
    What proof, if any, does this gulliblement have that their “vaccines” are free from harmful side effects and do not contain undisclosed substances? Deceit at the Fauci level ruins trust across any product range.
    
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    December 3, 2021 5:01pm
  - bronny1
    
    why?
    
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    December 3, 2021 7:02pm
Southern Raider

So will all the young people who adore Jacinda and watched the “double jab for summer” commercials and got double jabbed now reflect on how their festivals over summer are still all cancelled and they were lied to?
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December 3, 2021 8:28am
- JackRabbit
  
  I had a conversation with an over 70s a few days ago, who voted Labour all his life, until the last election when he finally woke up and realised he has been lied to by Labour, all his life. Up until then, we have disagreed on most things.
  
  Despite being double jabbed, and OK with it, he described Ardern as pure evil. He said that those following Ardern, both left and right voters, are mesmerised and brainwashed, and no amount of facts can get through. They have to have an awakening.
  
  For him, he compared it with waking up out of a deep slumber, realising you have been asleep all your life, and that most of those around you have had their souls taken by an invasion of the body snatchers.
  
  But he also said that other long term ‘dyed in the wool’ Labour voters were waking up and asking questions.
  
  Hell hath no fury like a reformed Labour voter. May it continue.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I am hearing strong words against Ardern and Poto Williams in this former solidly Labour seat.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:49pm
- Colville
  
  Festivals are all go.
  
  First BIG party should be Synthony on the 17th December at Spark Arena. Its close to sold out.
  
  So 10,000 people raving with no masks 2 days after Auckland exits lockdown.
  
  Yaaaaa for hypocrisy!!
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:03am
- Parnell Gun Club
  
  Probably not. That would require acknowledging that they were played for suckers and would cause psychological discomfort. Instead they’ll blame the unvaccinated.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:06am
Maggie Pie

It’s a strange strange world 🙁

So, you can get ‘Home D’ for attacking a female Lifeguard at a Gore swimming pool (GD 1st Dec), force her head underwater, injure and threaten to kill……

but don’t dare serve a Soy-Latte to an unvaxxed person, or you’ll face 6 months imprisonment.

SHEESH!!
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December 3, 2021 8:30am
- burt
  
  It’s for your own safety.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:32am
cjn

I hope that from today Kiwibloggers will refrain from suggesting ways in which the government and associated powers can perform their mandates more efficiently. You all know that this site is compulsory reading by the government’s lackeys.
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December 3, 2021 8:32am
slightlyrighty

https://youtu.be/qzEoBrr9gRA

South Park nails it on Covid….
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December 3, 2021 8:32am
BeaB

Luxon has a lot to thank Jacinda for – many millions in fact. Surely her fan club in the media realises that he has made all that profit on his ‘houses’ because of Grant Robertson’s and Jacinda Ardern’s (mis)management of the economy.
If you have spare cash you’d be crazy not to invest in property.
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December 3, 2021 8:34am
- curry4me
  
  BeaB: So does Ms Clark who has more houses.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:45am
- tavita
  
  Yes but didn’t you like the way MSM wrote it up so that Luxton was a) the villain and/or b) ungrateful and c) a rich prick who could not possibly understand the needs of the people JA is trying to help.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:09am
- Prince
  
  Quite funny really.
  All those $B’s the Govt threw into the economy last year ended up, not in feeding the starving children (note the massive food bank demand according to those who run them), not in health infrastructure (no extra ICU beds etc), but in house prices (average house price has increased over $200k in last twelve months !).
  Once again, on behalf of all boomers, thanks Grant, Jacinda , James and all your hangers-on.
  
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  December 3, 2021 11:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    People turning up at a local food bank have to show a Covid passport to get into a free cafe for a cuppa.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:43pm
- Paulus
  
  Correct, Jacinda bought a different million dollar plus house a couple of years ago and I would not guess what untaxed Capital Gains Tax she has made.
  Thousands of dollars a week if we accept the published figures.
  Helen Clark only has one house (6) less than Christopher Luxon too.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:48pm
coge

Our fundamental human rights are more important to our health and well being. Than a state mandated vaccine passport. The great majority are vaccinated and we mostly wear masks. Enough of further govt demands!
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December 3, 2021 8:34am
artemisia

Quiet resistance underway. First cab off the rank – enquiry to the Warehouse if vax passes required under orange. First answer Yes. Second answer, oh, actually No. Rules are on the government site pointed to but not on their own site.
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December 3, 2021 8:35am
gravedodger

@ pakes:
“There is no outrage because there is no outrage.”
You really need to get out more, Tamaki, his wife Hannah, Groundswell, the disruptions to HRH and her tenuous “visits” to both her home City with the tight controls attempted and brief forays to the provinces that end with embarrassing scuttling away to safe havens. Clearly as you believe the rubbish quality reporting from the Media purchased for in excess of a hundred million taxpayer funded dollars and counting just take a short trip around any of the hundreds of small businesses well away from the fearful prospect of public scorn and derision and ask politely how are they coping, the majority by a large margin will counter emphatically your world view through those rose tinted glasses .
Oh for sure the millions on some form of Government largess, welfare or secure employment will still say the crazy made up as the polls indicate response is working but there is a growing number totally disillusioned.
I have just completed a 2000 Km swing through the southern half of the South Island and from many casual conversations with all sections of society did not encounter a single response in support of the keeping draconian suffocating controls on their business activity and personal freedoms. On my return I did get supportive comment from a publicly employed neighbour who was happy the official response was keeping her two preschoolers “safe”. In the interests of good neighbourly relations I just bit my tongue and left it there without suggesting the racial divisions being fomented and the economic damage being wrought were a far greater threat to those toddlers future wellbeing.
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December 3, 2021 8:38am
Truman lodge

This is only the beginning.. I predict lockdowns galore in 2022. See Germany is mandating the jab by Feb.

Even with the traffic light system supposedly ending lockdowns I predict level 4 will return. If 1 million people in nz who are double jabbed test positive, they all have to isolate. If covid runs rampant which they say and will, we were told get vaccinated and things will pretty much be normal for you.

But if we all have to isolate if we test positive what’s the frigging point. If one person tests positive in say a factory and its staff of 50 work closely in a warehouse but are all double jabbed and test positive, the whole factory isolates despite feeling fine. And what about the economic consequences.

I know people in the UK that got covid twice and are fine. This is insane and 2022 is going to be horrible. With laws passed on mass to enslave.
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December 3, 2021 8:40am
70andstilllearning

While it’s not a joke this passport thing is going to be funny in action.

Some guy from hospitality on the AM show this morning saying it took them 25 minutes to “process” 50 vax passes last night when thry opened. They’re got 350 booked for lunch which could which could take them 2 1/2 hours. Long lunches I guess.

KiwiPass – an effective labour government initiative!
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December 3, 2021 8:46am
- westernScientest
  
  good, the worse it is at a practical level the sooner it will be ignored
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That was Leo Molloy down at the Viaduct. He’s loving it 😀
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:35am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggie… Sell them drinks while waiting in the queue? To kill the pain.
    
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    December 3, 2021 10:00am
  - burt
    
    He’s really shown his hand as being a self serving fascist. I’ll not visit any establishment he has a hand in.
    
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    December 3, 2021 10:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Up to you berty…but Leo does the best ‘Black Origin Sirloin G7′ in town.
      
      Don’t know whatcha missin’ 😀
      
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      December 3, 2021 10:49am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Leo Malloy’s xtra opinions are continually given press coverage positioning him as the only other alternative opinion from a potential mayoral candidate in Auckland. But actually Craig Lord who ran for Mayor last time has been consistently making thoughtful tweets and commentary and the media refuse to engage. They don’t want NZ to know there is another point of view.
    
    Tweets from Craig Lord. “It disturbs me that there are people thankful about the us and them situation. “, “The majority of Aucklanders are double vaxxed. Including me.
    There is no logical reason to have a vaccine pass.
    If you are double vaxxed and scared of the unvaxxed then I suggest you just stay home and let the rest of us enjoy our personal freedoms and privileges.”, “Vaccine passes should not be required anywhere in Auckland, especially Council facilities and buildings.”
    
    Also hat tip to Upper Hutt Mayor Wayne Guppy who is not enforcing the pass at his council facilities. “”The region has very high vaccination rates – about 98 per cent first dose and 92 per cent double – so this is about getting people back, we’re trying not to stay in that siege mentality and get back to normal as soon as possible.”
    
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    December 3, 2021 10:53am
  - Jim
    
    Liked his bold comment about the leader of the next government visiting his bar today.
    
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    December 3, 2021 7:53pm
dime

I will never come to terms with our media celebrating “freedom day”.

This is like twilight zone shit.

How easily and happily we gave away so much.
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December 3, 2021 8:58am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  PM’s PR team instructions to MSM as to how they MUST “brand” reduced freedoms ( in areas going from L2 to Red )!
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The local pool will now have a security guard on duty at the front door checking vax passports..

The pay-off: the pool will now be closed on Sunday & Monday.

Great summer planning….
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December 3, 2021 9:00am
- cmm
  
  Is it just a redeployment of the security guard? The one that was there to keep lifeguards save from being drowned?
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I stopped attending local pools when a floater ambled past me and God knows what other stuff gets ejected from human bodies in the water. In fact the council pools can be cesspits and at least when owning a home pool the water can be tested daily.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I was brought up on the shore/banks of the Whanganui River…In the 1950-1970s waste from 2 freezing works, an abbatoir, a tannery, (a soap factory) Soapy Gilberds, the local dump, and the city’s sewage emptied into the river and probably flushed back along the coast.
    Can’t say this ever put me off swimming in the river or the local beaches.
    Can’t recall anyone ever getting sick from the bugs… tho’ we knew not to eat mussels from the moles (breakwaters).
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:40pm
Yvette

Law criminalising cartel conduct came into effect on 8 April 2021, outlawing two or more businesses agreeing not to compete with each other, including price fixing, dividing up markets, rigging bids or restricting output of goods and services.
Why does this not apply to media outlets, and the hand-outs they can acquire from the Government bribery $55 million slush funding through the state pimp, New Zealand On Air? – where the 4th estate seems to have become the 5th column?

“When I sell liquor, it’s bootlegging. When my patrons serve it on a silver tray on Lakeshore Drive, it’s hospitality.” ― Al Capone
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December 3, 2021 9:16am
I remember when

The Government’s ‘traffic lights’ map for the covid levels is a ‘masterpiece.’
Being exclusive bright red and bright orange is going to make the change to an effects of ‘climate change’ map a simple step.
It is so easy to convince people that something is dangerous now – all that is needed is a map or graph with red or bright orange as the dominant clolours.
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December 3, 2021 9:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does our Government have a cosy relationship with Google and Apple?

It is questionable whether the security implications of supplying the vaccine passport in the form of an editable PDF were considered (would a simple JPEG have been better?). Nudging New Zealanders to use Google and Apple’s digital wallet infrastructure to store the vaccine pass (effectively supporting their monopolies/oligopoly and supplying them with personal data) is also problematic.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nzs-covid-vaccination-legislation-the-fastest-law-in-the-west
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December 3, 2021 9:18am
surfing

I don’t think Jacinda understands the wedge she is driving into the heart of this once OK nation.

Her stupid vaccine passes are causing so many problems outside just business, for sports clubs through to flatmates, through to social groups.

Initially, I was slightly against the introduction of vaccine passes… now, I am strongly against them.
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December 3, 2021 9:19am
Maggie Pie

No matter what you’re going through, always try to help people.
Instead of saying ‘fuck off’, ask, ‘how can I help you to fuck off?’

BE KIND.
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December 3, 2021 9:32am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Should be printed on every vaccine pass.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Black sharpie works
    
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    December 3, 2021 1:04pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There is a product idea; laminated passport holders emblazoned with helpful suggestions as to where the neo-fascists can go and what they might like to do when they get there (along the sex-and-travel lines)
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:56am
Fletch

Does this seem legal? A post going around saying that businesses can establish a contract between themselves and an individual on the basis of the business creating the contract as a “private society”, thus bypassing any government-enforced mandates.

As you know from next week businesses are effected [sic] by this traffic light system. There is a way you can stay in business which is to create on paper a private society and a private contract between you as a living man/woman and your customer. (Governments can NOT interfere with a contract between 2 parties, whether business to business or living wo/man to living wo/man)

You need to write up an agreement of which your customers sign agreeing to engage with you as a private society, being a customer. You will provide or do ….. and they will exchange the service for $.

Make a memorandum for your company that as from this date you are changing to a sole trader operating as a Private Society as you can not function with the new company laws. This will also help you when you do your full status correction, a step out from their controls.
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December 3, 2021 9:33am
westernScientest

Another “not the vaccine” death.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127140667/unexpected-death-of-cool-kiwi-bloke-rory-nairn-under-investigation

Talked to a GP a few days ago, has had 4 young healthy females come see her with heart problems starting hours after one of the jabs over the last few weeks, thats 1 GP (and didnt mention males, but I assume there were some as well). There must be 10s of thousands of people getting heart issues from this thing, even if it doesn’t end up with them in hospitals.
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December 3, 2021 9:36am
I remember when

So it isn’t that Pharmac was being underfunded, that was the problem, but that they were being to financially prudent with the money they were allocated.
Great that the reporter was able to get a second poke in when the Pharmac manager laughed at his loaded question.
Fortunately, the problem can be overcome by a massive increase in the funding, that wasn’t underfunding, by government.
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December 3, 2021 9:39am
- Ian Boag
  
  As I see it, the problems with Pharmac and these doozy-dollar new drugs is the basic Pharmac model. They use something called “qualys” – something about years of quality life from spending some money.
  
  The trouble is that many of these fancy drugs are not cures – they just manage/suppress the condition for as long as you keep taking them. This gets a bit hard when you have a very sick teenage CF victim who will enjoy reasonably good health for as long as she stays on the $300k/year pills. Keytruda is a bit like that for cancer treatment – something like $200k/year for the five or so years that it works for. There are others of course.
  
  From a qualy point of view these drugs don’t cut it.
  
  Don’t get me wrong – if the state wants to change the rules and plough zillions of dollars into this sort of thing, then I guess they will do so. Because I am not directly involved (as a non-sufferer) I am pretty neutral about it all.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:26pm
Warren

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister looks to life beyond lockdowns with 90% vaccinations target.
She also is prepared to use Children to achieve the milestone experts say. So if anyone believes this is about New Zealander’s please look again this is about Jacinda Ardern leading the world in vaccine rates and she will stop at nothing to achieve it.
In the last 18 months Ardern saysNew Zealand has some of the lowest hospitalizations and death rates in the world and more days without restrictions than almost any other Country . Now , she wants the Country to lead the World in Vaccination rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/jacinda-ardern-looks-to-life-beyond-lockdowns-with-90-vaccination-target
Jacinda Ardern thrives on what other Leader say and praise her for and everything she does needs their approval first so dont kid yourself it for New Zealander’s it’s about her and her ego.
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December 3, 2021 9:43am
- Jim
  
  Yep, no doubt top marks from her corporate elite globalist masters.
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:57pm
I remember when

Weed harvesting trial begins at Lake Horowhenua:
Getting the lake harvesting started has arguably been one of the longest-running processes related to cleaning it up.
The harvester was purchased seven years ago, but various reasons including Waitangi Tribunal and Environmental Court action kept it off the water.
“The science indicates that weed harvesting could reduce lake toxicity.”

That would be the same science that indicated the same outcome seven plus years ago.
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December 3, 2021 9:47am
Happy1

Last week signs went up announcing 400 sections to be created in our small town just north of Christchurch. These are to accomodate the internal migration that is happening. It started as a trend but is going to become a flood as Aucklanders and others shift, attracted by affordable housing and a more amenable social situation. We have plenty of buildable land and the infrastructure can cope but are the new Cantabrians going to transplant well? Those that do don’t imitate the “whinging Pom” and moan about the fishing and boating. Yes we know the Hauraki gulf is better. Do tell us what you think of the CBD, we never go there. Do get an electric bike, you won’t believe how flat the area is and the cycle ways. Christchurch is just a small market town. It’s less socially and racially stratified. Expect to see the people you pissed off in a supermarket car park drama to turn up as a guest at your daughters wedding.
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December 3, 2021 9:48am
Aguy

Even though I am vaxed and think it’s a safe precaution considering things, I refuse to download or show a vax pass anywhere. If a place requires a vax pass I will simply stop giving patronage to the place and instead make what I want at home. It might not hurt them if only 1 person does this but even floods start with a drop of water.
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December 3, 2021 9:52am
Truman lodge

It’s almost designed to be unworkable the vaccine pass system in regards to checking and complience. Maybe a micro chip in our arms is the answer?
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December 3, 2021 9:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LjbNXWs1rI

Japan’s warrior heart has taken over & China is on crosshair !

Japan’s military policy has changed and has shifted more towards “active surveillance” from being a passive defender in recent years. Speaking at the Asaka camp of the country’s land self-defense forces while reviewing the troops, Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said that he didn’t rule out the possibility of a pre-emptive strike against enemy bases as a defensive measure. With the new statement on record by the Prime Minister, Tokyo seems to have let go of all previous self-imposed restrictions. [8:17]
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December 3, 2021 10:23am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_7Chvzr40o

Omicron is being blown out of proportion by international media at the behest of Big Pharma.

Just as big pharma execs were worried about declining profits along comes Omicron. The MSM and establishment are eager to help them boost sales too. [5:08]
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December 3, 2021 10:23am
curry4me

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2021/11/30/the-rise-and-fall-of-a-great-something-n1536992
There Is Something Wrong With Our Giant Institutions.

People sometimes have the sense of living inside a story. There is the obvious one of their own personal lives, embedded within the wider tale of the surrounding community. So it goes with each bigger scene nesting within the larger context enfolding it. While there is little individuals can do to affect its outcome directly, many can’t help but ask themselves the question about the largest drama they can conceive: ‘What is the story of my time?’ Will my tribe, civilization, and religion perish, or is it yet to flourish to an unknown height?
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December 3, 2021 10:23am
Rusty

I am not a anti-vaxxer but starting today if I see people discriminating against un-vaxxed people in a manner to make them feel like criminals — I’m going to spring to their defence.

Private businesses have a right to exclude un-vaxxed folk but their customers have no right to behave like little Hitlers to people who are identified as un-vaxxed.

What a sad state of affairs this country has become under the Ardern regime.

BTW – I only took this stupid vaccine not because I think its going to stop me getting this over exaggerated flu strain but because of my family wanting to go to public places.
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December 3, 2021 10:25am
- surfing
  
  My daughter is a bit worried as she works the front desk at a restaurant that also does takeaways.
  
  Her first traffic light shift is tonight. She’s just a school kid so takes abuse a bit personally.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:01pm
bythesea

Latest “Please Explain” cartoon (Oz politics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5i6eCVx2A

This series is such a hoot.
I would willingly donate to anyone doing this for NZ pols who can mock the sh*t out of them all!

It’s begging for Act to do it to the rest.
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December 3, 2021 10:29am
Alan Wilkinson

Costerfuck says vaccinated people or those with a negative test will not be affected. Of course they will if they are queued up waiting for a bunch of unemployable morons to check the status of everyone in the car to satisfy their little power trips.
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December 3, 2021 10:34am
- curry4me
  
  Alan Wilkinson: Except with Omicron, everyone is unvaxed now.
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:48am
  - Jim
    
    Based upon recent data from places like Israel and Gibraltar, NZ is likely to experience huge uptick in cases despite the 90% vac threshold. As such it’s conceivable that AK will be back in RED in February (assuming Orange is granted on 13 Dec).
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:04pm
westernScientest

announcement of an announcement, and they go small and late:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127168446/new-icu-beds-approved-for-covid-battle-will-be-ready-mid2022
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December 3, 2021 10:41am
- Fletch
  
  They could have had ICU beds ready by now in the months and months we had before this lockdown. But they did NOTHING.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:53pm
sooty

So the gangs are mznning roadblocks now!
What happens when you rock up with no papers, as far as I know there is no law to say that you have to be vaxed to proceed, on with your trip. Do you just say thank you sir, wind the window up and carry on? What can they do, other than coin your car and kick the shit out of your car!
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December 3, 2021 10:45am
- surfing
  
  Where is it reported that gangs are involved?
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:02pm
Opie

Some sense finally? Or is that too much to ask?

Just got this email from a health provider – massage, physio, pilates, accupuncture etc

“Last night a meeting was held with the Ministry of Health, clear guidance around the legalities of the new Health Order and the COVID-19 Protection Framework, and how it applies to (business name removed) was provided. As we have practitioners who come under government regulation and funding we must be considered a ‘designated premises’.

What this means under the Health Order is that it is illegal for anyone at (business name removed) to ask for your vaccination status and our services must be available to anyone. I must stress that this is our legal obligation and there is no option for us to choose any other way to operate. (Sounds like they arent too happy about it!)

It goes on to say:

“The Ministry of Health position statement has advised that as vaccination rates in the community are high, that transmission of Covid-19 is just as likely to occur from vaccinated individuals as those who are unvaccinated, so Infection prevention and control measures are considered to be the safest option.”

Um your saying what now? If this is the case, why take the “vaccine”

You can get an hour massage in a closed tiny room woth no ventilation but cant get a 10 minute haircut on an open area with the doors/windows open.

Who comes up with this stupidity!

Key point in all of it is this “…Infection prevention and control measures are considered to be the safest option.”

As I have said, a vaccination certificate is not a guarantee of a negative test. Seems the ministry of health now agrees.

Maybe we start to slowly wake up…
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December 3, 2021 10:50am
- mawm
  
  “… transmission of Covid-19 is just as likely to occur from vaccinated individuals as those who are unvaccinated”…
  
  And with that statement they have undermined their reasons for segregation based on vaccine status.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:10pm
  - Opie
    
    Exactly.
    
    Trying to hold my nerve while the whole charade comes crashing down.
    
    Only thing that could sway me is work have said they will never let me go, but could end up desk bound, which I will assume comes with a reduction in remuneration. For that kind of loss I will have to take the experimental substance that doesnt make me any less likely to transmit covid 19!
    
    Mrs Opie and her friend (both taken the double zap, but refuse to operate the pass and stand against the segregation) went to a cafe for lunch today. Did the research and found a place that wasnt discriminating and checking for passes. Interesting there are 2 cafes next door to each other. The one demanding vaccine passes was empty. The other was busy, with people minding their own business and getting on with life.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:11pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Indicates to me that there are people in the Ministry of Health who are alarmed at the direction our country is taking and are doing their bit to try and minimise the damage. It is something.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Would you send an appropriately redacted copy of that email to [email protected]. I will treat the sender and the email in confidence.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:34pm
Russ the Muss

If some idiot clearly not wearing a police uniform requested me to stop to check my ‘papers’, needless to say I wouldn’t stop and would in a kind way of course flip him the bird, and encourage him to chase, that would be enjoyable. I guess on the positive side, he could chase me unlike the current police who have been tied in knots and told to see no evil, hear no evil and definitely don’t chase no evil!
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December 3, 2021 11:13am
Gravelroad

Big news on newstalkzb today about Fonterra announcing record income from milk products which will result in $billions being contributed to the economy and assist in further government spending.
But hang on – I thought dairy farmers were environmental vandals ruining our economy and causing climate change mayhem, because – cows.
People do realise that the milk comes out of cows don’t they?
Not to mention that Fonterra is a big multi national whose chiefs get paid huge money which they spend on investments like houses -all the things that the socialists hate with a passion……..
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December 3, 2021 11:30am
- virtualmark
  
  Global food price inflation can be a good thing if you’re a business that sells food.
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Exactly. To use your expression from earlier, those hungry people should just “harden the fuck up”. Right?
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:12pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I thought Kiwibloggers were right wingers?
      
      You sure do seem to complain a lot about free choices and capitalism.
      
      Are you Greg Presland commenting under a pseudonym?
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:25pm
CAKE FACE1

CAKE is an easy, relaxed guy, quick to make a joke or light up your smoke.

Alas, lately, CAKE is consumed by anger. I feel pure fury. I have never felt remotely like this my entire life, until the past year or so, since Cindy and Clown Co Ltd have been put in sole charge of vandalising our fine nation.

This government simply enrages me. Cindy is the most repugnant, revolting, reprehensible, rancid, repulsive and repellent politician of my lifetime.

I have stopped watching the news, in case I catch sight of her. I actually have physical as well as emotional allergic reactions to her now – hearing her speak can trigger involuntary stomach reflexes, with small amounts of sick being retched into my mouth.

Kiwiblog is an island of sanity, in a country gone insane.

Btw, I think Mr Luxon has done well so far. If Cindy wins the election in two years’ time, I don’t know what I will do…
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December 3, 2021 11:40am
- Cinematic
  
  Cake, your reaction to Jacinda and this government is entirely reasonable. I will never forgive them. I know many swing voters who shan’t either.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:42pm
- bronny1
  
  you just described my feelings to a tee. I had to leave the room (am staying with family) as she came on TV before and i get violent feelings, like i want to smash their tv.
  
  i’ve never been violent. I mean, i can kill a fly but would relocate a spider. And now….
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:31pm
- Sponge
  
  Jesus man. Calm down a bit. Seriously.
  
  I think this government is the worst in living memory but keep a little perspective.
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:46pm
Maggie Pie

Just been making a Banoffee Pie and listening to callers to Kerry Woodham.

Thinking to myself how much I hate needy people.
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December 3, 2021 11:43am
- Colville
  
  But do you hate people who need banoffee pie?
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:20pm
kevn

random fact: A billion seconds ago was 1989. Just to give context to labours multi billion dollars of borrowing.
Much of it wasted, sadly.
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December 3, 2021 11:45am
andretti

Whats the real number of vaccinated?.I meet with many many business people and im seeing its more like 20-25% of people not vaccinated.Am i just talking with the wrong people.Most of the hair dressers in my town said they were flat out yesterday,why?.I guess we will find out very soon.
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December 3, 2021 11:45am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Well, from a psychological and peer pressure perspective, it makes perfect sense to claim publicly that the number is higher than it really is. Why would the vaccination statistics be accurate, when nothing else seems to be? They are certainly acting and speaking like the figure is nowhere near 90%.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:15pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Sure. They have some gimp out the back who’s been jabbed like 50,000 times, just so the DHB can make their numbers.
    
    Either that or your “feelz” aren’t as accurate as their records. Hard to believe. But then they’re actually counting and writing things down, rather than just running on emotion.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:27pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      No, they simply mislead the public with the figures. If the numbers are as high as they claim, then why are they acting as if the numbers are much lower? It’s not about my “feelz” it’s about my inference purely from observation. No “gimp out the back” is necessary, although feel free if you wish.
      
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      December 3, 2021 6:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sigh.
        
        Exactly which numbers are wrong?
        
        And what then are the right numbers?
        
        Proof required. Not feelz. Not anecdotes from you and your daytime drinking buddies. Real facts and proof. Or it didn’t happen.
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:48pm
Yvette

Christopher Luxon’s property empire shows ‘we’ve become a very unequal society’ – Labour MP David Parker
Labour MP David Parker, appearing with Bishop on The AM Show, said there was “nothing wrong in a moral sense” with Luxon owning seven homes, “but it does show that you know, some people are pretty privileged”.

• The Register of Pecuniary Interests for MPs was tabled in Parliament yesterday by registrar Dame Margaret Bazley.
It revealed that Miss Clark and her husband have inherited the house previously owned by Mr Davis’ father, who died recently.
Miss Clark also has another house, a townhouse, an apartment, an investment property, a super scheme and a mortgage.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/363727/Helen-Clark-inherits-house-in-Britain

• Labour comes in second, with a collective 103 properties among its 65 MPs – an average of 1.6 properties per member. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern owns her family home, while list MP Willie Jackson owns four properties – three family homes in Auckland and Rotorua and an apartment in Wellington

Various online sources seem to estimate Jacinda Ardern’s worth to be $10 – 25 million.
Just slightly privileged …
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December 3, 2021 11:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wait until you all discover where our Dear PM’s wedding is…
  
  Wonder if there will be this same attention by our MSM to folks with privilege then?
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:31pm
- mawm
  
  Jacinda and partner own a bach on the Coromandel. I know that she did inspect one that was up for sale with a $2 million price tag.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:18pm
  - sooty
    
    Wasn’t very long ago she bought her first house.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:15pm
    - sooty
      
      Wonder what David Parker owns?
      Jealousy maybe?
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:16pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That must be CG’s tv salary at work…
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:39pm
All_on_Red

I’m sure Mcos will be absolutely delighted to learn this good news.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/12/02/fake-news-no-trump-didnt-have-covid-before-his-debate-with-biden-n1538333
Lets hope it helps Mcos on his recovery from Long TDS- we wish him well.
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December 3, 2021 12:08pm
- graham
  
  Oooh, you missed the little macron thingy over the “o” in MCos … which is probably as bad as pronouncing a place name incorrectly, which as we all know is the ABSOLUTE WORST thing you can possibly do in New Zealand, wa-a-a-ay up there above stabbings and shootings and burglaries. You are gonna be in so much trouble when MCos notices.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, but,
    MCōs didn’t use to place a macron over his o a couple of weeks ago…
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/11/general_debate_14_november_2021.html#comment-3064196
    
    I wonder if he got dobbed in to his orthography authority.
    
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    December 3, 2021 5:34pm
    - graham
      
      Well noticed 🙂
      
      Yes, it seemed a recent affectation but I couldn’t really remember when it started.
      
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      December 3, 2021 5:47pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

For some sorely needed historical context on covid, here are monthly deaths in sweden for the last 150 years. Covid is entirely unremarkable, only 3rd worst spike in deaths in last 30 years.
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1466117842856812547/photo/1
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December 3, 2021 12:17pm
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, the covid is a remarkably shit killer. Way way down the list of worrisome viruses.
  
  In rugby terms the covid is Canada’s national side. In cricket terms the covid is Zimbabwe.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:33pm
Colville

At lunch… Vaxx pass scanned on the door!
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December 3, 2021 12:33pm
- lifesgood
  
  Some cafes don’t know what the hell is going on. I went for a coffee with a friend this morning. Entrance to the cafe blocked off, orders taken at the door, coffees served in paper cups only and just one table with 2 chairs outside. To be fair I don’t know what the hell’s going on either.
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:12pm
  - Colville
    
    So the staff are not vaxxed, takeaway only.
    
    Tough decision for them to make. Slow economic strangulation via Jacindas mandate.
    
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    December 3, 2021 5:42pm
    - [email protected]
      
      Very impressed by their stance. Good on them. Wish them the best
      
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      December 3, 2021 6:57pm
Ra Henare

For something different.
If you think the Traffic light system raises your blood pressure.

Try changing a flight with Singapore Airlines. (Booked with the airline online)
I login, go to Manage your booking(which used to work)
Nope doesnt work anymore.
Get a message to contact the local office.
Get an Auckland number (toll call for me)

On hold for literally hours over a number of attempts.

Read website. Send us a message.
Yep-a great game…you cant actually send a message.

Try facebook. Yep thats stupid as well, its a bot, no hyumans involved.
The response is contact our local office.

I look up on Linkdin and find that George Roberston is GM in Auckland. Yep no contact information.

Oh says linkdin, if you want to send George a message signup for our Premium service free for xx days.

Good luck with signing up to send a message.

The good news. AI is a long long long way from replacing humans and decent IT systems.
Travel agents are still needed!!!

On hold while typing this, only 50 minutes so far.
So Singapore airlines is off my Christmas card list and not a future choice for trips to from NZ
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December 3, 2021 12:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“There will eventually be human rights trials over the treatment of Citizens during Covid. For those of you in business, media and Govt who have worked to abet these injustices: do note that while it is fun to be in power, when tyranny collapses – and it always does – you will pay”
Candace Owens.
Bring on Nuremberg 2.0
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December 3, 2021 12:38pm
- Fletch
  
  Get along home, Cindy, Cindy
  Get along home, Cindy, Cindy
  Get along home, Cindy, Cindy
  You’ll pay for this one day. ?
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:39pm
- cmm
  
  There won’t be a Nuremberg 2 because there is no political victor and no political loser.
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:06pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  No there won’t be. Candace Owens also thinks a Blexit is possible. The world’s judiciaries are in (or adjacent to) the same club as those who are pushing the medical tyranny.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Blexit is working. Black Americans are leaving the Democrat plantation
    
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    December 4, 2021 8:45am
Maggie Pie

So, that bloody Helen Clark is a ‘Virologist’ now.
Just heard her on ZB News warning people…. that if we don’t rapidly increase our vaccination numbers, we could see a rise in even more serious variants.

Is there no end to this woman’s media whoring?
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December 3, 2021 12:50pm
- Fletch
  
  Clark is ignorant, like the rest of them. It’s a worldwide trend that high vax numbers = high number of cases. Just saw a story today, Vermont has the highest vaccination rate in the U.S with a record number of hospitalizations with Covid. And being vaxxed with this vax won’t stop Omicron. There is talk of a new vaccine coming out in March. If this is so, shouldn’t they be halting the current programme?
  
  Idiots, all of them.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:07pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I suggest they’re arrogant elites, rather than idiots. What we’re witnessing the world over is a deliberate doubling down on a failed approach because to admit it was failed is to sign ones political death warrant. These people crave power like a junkie denied. This craving comprehensively programs rationality out, and increasingly desperate lying in.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:10pm
    - RichardX
      
      krazykiwi
      I suggest they’re arrogant elites, rather than idiots. What we’re witnessing the world over is a deliberate doubling down on a failed approach because to admit it was failed is to sign ones political death warrant. These people crave power like a junkie denied. This craving comprehensively programs rationality out, and increasingly desperate lying in.
      
      DECEMBER 3, 2021 2:10PM
      
      The bitterness bought on by your business failure, which you attribute to Covid, has affected your ability to reason.
      
      You can’t object to me ascribing motivation to your actions without evidence unless you want to add hypocrisy to the list of traits you exhibit.
      
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      December 3, 2021 3:58pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I really don’t care what motivation you assume of me. That’s your prerogative. Would you care to address the content of my assertion?
        
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        December 3, 2021 4:48pm
      - RichardX
        
        Do you have evidence for your assertion, something beyond post hoc ergo propter hoc?
        
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        December 3, 2021 6:24pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Nope. That’s not a logical fantasy I displayed. Not even close.
        
        Now, would you care to address the content of my assertion?
        
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        December 3, 2021 7:58pm
      - RichardX
        
        I am not convinced that your assertion is correct. Can you provide evidence to convince me?
        
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        December 3, 2021 8:57pm
      - RichardX
        
        Post hoc ergo propter hoc is all you had last time I asked you to provide evidence for an assertion you made.
        
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        December 3, 2021 9:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Vermont is in top 3 oldest average age states in USA (economically ossified, and youngsters move away), also cold and northern so high vitamin D deficiency.
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Clark diversion. What the fuck is Jaspinda up to today? Guess we wait for the 4pm bullshit dump
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:09pm
- cmm
  
  The real problem here is that she’s talking complete bullshit.
  
  The “vaccine” is incomplete and has only one attack vector. This puts an evolutionary pressure on the virus to create mutations that escape the vaccine. This is exactly what we now see with Omicron.
  
  More people getting vaccinated with Delta and Omicron is going to create more mutations – not less.
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:04pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Helen Clark , the grandma mentor of our current one source of truth.
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:22pm
Sparrow

Unfortunately the random checking of vehicles entering Northland is not correct. It appears that the police/iwi check points are going to be well in Northland on SH1 north of Waipu and on SH16 to Dargaville. Thus Northland residents south of those checkpoints and wishing to shop in Whangarei could be stopped. What happens if they are not vaccinated will they be turned round, yes they will have a rates bill or such like to prove their residency. I am intrigued to know how the police and iwi will be able to identify Auckland and Northland vehicles. A fun time from the 15th
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December 3, 2021 1:04pm
- sooty
  
  IQ, maybe!
  
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  December 3, 2021 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Went for a cardiac treadmill test at NS Hosp today. Email said go the the main entrance front desk and they will give you directions.
Nope – doper security said I can’t go in there, have to use the other entrance. I showed him the email. He just said ‘nope’ I asked him if he could read.
Went to the other entrance, got fucked around before getting to the clinic.
All over and I exited through the Main Entrance, the one I am not allowed to enter.
So I asked the security if he was a fuckwit or was he born like that? He just walked away – prick.
This Covid thing is now childish and pathetic
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December 3, 2021 1:14pm
- BAM
  
  https://www.webmd.com/balance/stress-management/features/how-anger-hurts-your-heart
  
  This may come as a shock for you but being ragingly angry all the time is really bad for your heart.
  
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  December 3, 2021 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  There are a whole lot of people loving the power they’re getting. He probably practices his sullen look and “papers, papers” in the mirror every morning.
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In his Uniform of course – with a camera doing selfies
    
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    December 3, 2021 2:24pm
Opie

Today I have managed the following without being in possession of any government decreed papers.

Physio, including massage
Bought a printer cartridge
Bought a pair of shoes

What I could not do:
Get sushi from the takeaway sushi shop. Let’s say I didnt spend $20 there. I reckon the mandate would result in 5-10 customers not going each day. That’s $500-1000 lost revenue for the week. That’s the difference between turning a profit or not for a small shop.

Yesterday I posed no risk to this shop, but today I do. It makes no sense.

It’s not just the unvacced, it’s the vacced refusing to participate in the mandates as well.
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December 3, 2021 1:31pm
Yvette

THEY ARE US – still?
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December 3, 2021 1:35pm
Yvette

$644 million boost as ICU and hospitals brace for widespread COVID-19
… Little told Morning Report: “Even well before Covid, we were underdone when it comes to ICU capacity, so this has always been a thing that we had to do better on and the Covid pandemic has obviously shone a light on capacity issues and and even though this most recent outbreak, we’ve actually coped remarkably well with the increasing daily case numbers, ICU capacity has been available.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/644-million-boost-as-icu-and-hospitals-brace-for-widespread-covid-19.html

Woeful vaccination rates were one thing but when it became clear according to Ministry of Health figures that the numbers of ICU beds had been reduced from 358 beds in July last year to 284 today [FIRST PUBLISHED AUG 26, 2021], there had been no increase in ICU staffing for 18 months, and the NZ Medical Association’s call a year ago for a co-ordinated national ICU strategy had been ignored, the Government’s indolence began to look scandalous.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-needs-a-new-story-on-covid

• Has any “journalist” asked Little about the 74 ICU bed reduction before they have decided there are not enough beds?
• Since Ardern initially refused to fire errant Minitser of Health, David Clark – Ardern responded by demoting Clark in the cabinet rankings but held back from firing him, saying the government needed his expertise during the public health emergency. Ardern said it was a priority to keep stability in government during the crisis [1] – has Little discussed with Ardern the possible slight disruption of disestablishing 20 DHBs and establishing a Maori Health Authority (– the medical equivalent of “3 Waters”)?
• … and to do it, sidelining its own current gold-standard Health Select Committee (five of the six Labour MPs on the Health Select Committee being health professionals) [2] to a Committee – to be chaired by Labour MP Deborah Russell – a good MP and former chair of the all-powerful Finance and Expenditure Committee – and her deputy Tamati Coffey (ex-television weather man, whose only use may be spotting the incoming shit storm).

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/02/new-zealand-health-minister-david-clark-quits-over-handling-of-covid-19-outbreak
[2] https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/jason-walls-government-s-sidelining-of-gold-standard-health-select-committee-beggars-belief/
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December 3, 2021 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum popped in earlier.
On her way back home from the Westfield Mall.
Said it was pretty busy…had to drive up 5 floors just to get a park.
Went into about twenty different shops she reckoned. Not that she wanted to buy anything. Just keen to get the staff’s reaction when they saw the DOB on her ‘My Vaccine Pass’.

Not ONE of them asked for additional ID.
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December 3, 2021 1:54pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Come on Maggie, what was the DOB? 3.12.2000?
  
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  December 3, 2021 2:24pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Auckland council contiune to defy common sense….
Goff goes against internal advice rejecting rates rise. Goff sucks up to Govt and gets $120M sweetners from Roberston to Goff for support of 3 waters.
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December 3, 2021 2:14pm
Zapper

Roy Morgan! Labour down to 36%. Not enough time for the Luxon effect either.

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8869-nz-national-voting-intention-november-2021-202112020109
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December 3, 2021 2:20pm
- sooty
  
  I bet her office was not a nice place to be!
  
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  December 3, 2021 4:02pm
- alloytoo
  
  I suspect the “Luxon effect” is going dislodge those women voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Judith Collins.
  
  Given the intensity of the media assault on Luxon, I suspect Labours internal polling think those numbers are significant.
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:51pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Nil Luxon effect. He only got promoted on 30 November.
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This shit is happening in NZ now. Double vaxxed is no longer really fully vaxxed. Fully vaccinated will be when you get your booster in May 2022. Then another booster, booster, booster.
The socialists will never relinquish control until voted out.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/amid-mandate-controversy-fully-vaccinated-is-a-fuzzy-term/?
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December 3, 2021 2:59pm
cjn

“Vaccines are one of the rare commercial products that multiply profits by failing. Each new booster doubles the revenues from the initial jab….In October 2021 Pfizer announced that it was projecting an astonishing $25billion in revenues from its COVID booster.” Bobby Kennedy: The Real Doctor Fauci. Little New Zealand is giving its mite to this global effort.
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December 3, 2021 3:06pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Latest Roy Morgan poll, NAts 26.5 Act 17.5 Maori 3 now ahead of Greens 10.5 Labour 36.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8869-nz-national-voting-intention-november-2021-202112020109

Lets go Brenda!!
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December 3, 2021 3:10pm
- jon
  
  That 36% for Labour will have them rattled. Poll taken over the whole month of November and thus doesnt reflect the impact of Luxon’s assuming the Nat leadership.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:49pm
- dannz
  
  Why is there no reporting in MSM on this…?
  
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  December 3, 2021 4:59pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Fantastic news. If National can get 30+ with ACT holding steady i will be a very happy man. It will be a great repudiation of the left and their politics of envy and division.
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:16pm
- tavita
  
  With the Maori party holding the balance of power!!
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The really eye-opening thing in the data is the enormous sex differences in support for young to middle age. Only 39% of under 49 men support left, while 59% of under 49 women do (vote for a living?). Younger women apparently live in an entirely different world to younger men – who the hell would want to partner up in that world?
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear…

Have the double-vaxxed become sitting ducks for the omicron variant…

Dr Siouxsie Wiles, a microbiologist from the University of Auckland, added there was “anecdotal evidence” from other confirmed cases around the world to show Omicron more easily infected fully vaccinated people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127177547/covid19-increased-risk-of-reinfection-with-omicron-as-variant-spreads-to-29-countries

How can this be?

Our Dear PM promised me that getting double-vaxxed was my golden ticket to safety and freedom.
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December 3, 2021 3:29pm
- fernglas
  
  Siouxsie is struggling for relevance now lockdown is over, and her little forays into the media should be seen for what they are; a sad attempt to stay in the public eye.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:40pm
  - sooty
    
    Don’t worry, the bus will be along in a minute!
    
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    December 3, 2021 3:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dear PM told a lie again. But not her fault, is was on info from Blofeld.
  You know, Ernst Blofeld, from the James Bond movies
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:48pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Could be ADE, or the cutely named Original Antigenic Sin at work.
  
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  December 3, 2021 4:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    OAS didn’t figure in my microbiology or Genetics papers, but I would have thought younger folk might be aware of this issue… but I don’t seem to have seen any popular/generalist account of why this could be a problem with the “spike” vaccines.
    
    Here’s a recent “expert” article on the matter:
    The “original antigenic sin” and its relevance for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) vaccination
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772613421000068
    
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    December 3, 2021 6:26pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      That’s a solid paper. It’s going to take a few hours to school up on some of the material which is new to me. Thanks for sharing it.
      
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      December 3, 2021 6:52pm
    - rjay
      
      A new journal with no peer review?
      
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      December 3, 2021 9:03pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wow! Might Siouxie suddenly become the source of embarrassing Labour Party leaks…?
  
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  December 3, 2021 4:41pm
graham

I see that the Cheviot Tea Rooms in Christchurch have put up a sign which states their “rules for entry”. These rules include:

“Do Not spout conspiracy theories.

“Do Not regurgitate misinformation you got from Karen on Facebook.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-delta-outbreak-cheviot-tea-rooms-vaccine-pass-sign-wins-admirers/WENRPAATFHD3O477ITBAV7QHKE/

Fair enough I suppose – their business, their rules, and at least the owner Rebecca is making it perfectly clear. But I wonder … would Rebecca be able to answer me this:

Who defines what exactly constitutes “misinformation”?

A simple question, but I can’t help suspecting that Rebecca of the Cheviot Tea Rooms might stutter and stammer a little if asked to explain, in detail, what is misinformation. Just a hunch. The term “misinformation” seems to be getting thrown around an awful lot these days, and I wonder if the people who splutter so much about it could actually calmly and coherently give some examples of misinformation, and then explain WHY it is misinformation.

Oh, and apparently the page of rules written up by Rebecca has at the bottom, “Do Not be the one we laugh about when you leave.” Well luv – you don’t mind if I call you luv, do you? – well luv, I certainly won’t be that one. Because if you encourage your staff to laugh scornfully at your paying customers behind their backs, I don’t really think it’s the type of business I wish to patronise.

Hope you don’t mind, luv.
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December 3, 2021 3:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Talking at the table will be banned soon, no matter the subject. Reason? You may OFFEND someone
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:58pm
  - Bob
    
    OFFEND someone? NO you will be required to listen to Great Leaders daily address to the people, outlining the daily productivity, economic and social achievements of the day.
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:53pm
Centrist

Slightly foolish of Luxon to say Auckland should be in green. He could get hammered for that. Would have been wiser to say that the lower South Island, Stewart, and the Chathams should be in green.
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December 3, 2021 3:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Everywhere should be in Green, risk to most vaccinated NZers who catch covid is around 100th of their risk of dying from other things this year, in practical terms nothing you would ever personally concern yourself over if the govt wasn’t holding a gun to your head and pumping a barrage of scare porn propaganda at you.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    80,000 did not get covid, and did not die.
    Remember the lies at voting time
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:03pm
    - MCōs
      
      Dodged a bullet, eh
      
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      December 3, 2021 4:16pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        densely populated high latitude western countries lost about 1 in 500 pre vaccine. Smaller less densely populated countries with younger populations generally fared better. At worst NZ would have lost about 10000. LAbour’s merchants of scare were always full-o-shite, because they didn’t factor in people’s obvious tendencies to modify their behaviours in reaction to perceived risk.
        
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        December 3, 2021 5:40pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Apologies to mods, I did not intend to report UrbanNeocolonialist @5:40pm, but rather reply.
        
        Sweden lost 15000 people with double our population, and without our geographical advantages.
        
        10000 might also be over estimating a wee bit.
        
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        December 3, 2021 5:58pm
- Colville
  
  Auckland has 1.5Mil people who have been locked in for nearly 4 months… so a nice receptive audience.
  
  Aucklanders need to be reminded that the only reason they were locked in is because Jacinda didnt order the vaccines at Xmas time!!
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  He didn’t say that.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:50pm
- greybeard
  
  “Amongst the bars and restaurants of the Viaduct Basin, when asked whether Auckland should go to orange he said, “yeah absolutely – this sector here is ready for Auckland to go straight to green.”
  So, he didn’t really say that Auckland should be Green.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘This sector’
    Clever word soup. Seems to be a new communication language.
    See what a Uni person with a comms thing does? You tend to follow what THEY think, and not what we think
    
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    December 3, 2021 4:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you look at the Official Covid-19 Protection-Framework it identifies clearly that Traffic Light Red is for when “Action needed to protect
  health system – system
  facing unsustainable
  number of hospitalisations.”
  
  https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/COVID-19-Protection-Framework/COVID-19-Protection-Framework-traffic-lights-summary-table.pdf
  
  Gisborne is at Red…and we haven’t got anyone in hospital with Covid-19 and haven’t had since April 2020…
  
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  December 3, 2021 7:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127171894/first-glimpse-at-design-of-christchurchs-533m-stadium
“Councillors confident that there will be no increase to budget, no cost blow-out”.
There will be, of course. They know it, we know it, they know we know it. But none of these current councillors will be around when the shit starts to hit the fan in a couple of years.
Public money should never be spent on these sort of projects: if they were such a good commercial proposition then surely private investors/developers would be lining up to build them.
Sorry Chch ratepayers, you lose !
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December 3, 2021 3:49pm
Bluegrass

Mods – OK, so I have accidentally reported posters when I meant to comment.

And looking back there was suddenly no reply option , but merely a report option.

And no way to withdraw your report click.

Or to track your comments/responses.

This is an very clunky site/blog in that respect. It sucks.

Maybe look at how Disqus does it, including tracking comments.

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December 3, 2021 4:29pm
- Fletch
  
  And looking back there was suddenly no reply option , but merely a report option.
  
  If it is a thread with many comments, the ‘Reply’ option disappears. In those cases you have to go back up the thread to the last comment with an available “Reply” and your comment will still end up after the last one (at the bottom of the stack). If that makes any sense?
  
  eg, look at the comment by ‘UrbanNeocolonialist’ at 5:40pm. There appears to be no reply. In this case you have to go up to the comment by ‘MCōs’ and Reply to that. Then your comment will end up underneath them all in the thread still.
  
  I think the reason is that you don’t want the comments to get so indented that you end up with 5 characters in a line or something silly.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:17pm
krazykiwi

ACT newsletter out showing National+ACT+Maori at 47% vs Labour+Greens at 46.5%

This will only become good news if: –
(a) The margin moves to more than the Maori party vote
(b) Seymour takes treasury or PM role

Anything else is a continuation of the current carnage.
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December 3, 2021 4:42pm
- tavita
  
  Its good news already KK. The prospect of N+A being government (and by a landslide of you believe Bob Jones) is likely to make the state owned media more circumspect. It will embolden those critical of the princess to speak out – lets hope it continues to build.
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:42pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    A future National ACT Govts first act should be to defund the MSM for their base treachery to all NZdrs as the current Govts propaganda division
    
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    December 3, 2021 6:32pm
fightingtemeraire

Labour is now lower than the 2017 election.

Bravo Zulu Jacinda
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December 3, 2021 4:46pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Who’s the new charismatic, bright young thing to sway the voters?
  
  Oh, silly me, it’s Chloe…
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:05pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Foxtrot Oscar as well
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:50pm
BananaLlama

Luxon holding up very well under a sustained attack from the NZ Labours media proxies. Let’s hope National can finally see what’s in front of them and start defunding these left wing organisations.
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December 3, 2021 5:12pm
Jack5

Meanwhile, the Ardern-subsidised newspapers look for something-else to drub National with.

And, it is … National is too White. This in a country where, at the last census (2018) 71.7 per cent of the population was White.

The “too White”suggestion comes from a White reporter at subsidised Stuff, where the majority of staff are White, and where the majority of subscribers are White.

Luxon’s reponse was logical. National didn’t win enough votes and electorates to be more diverse in Parliament.

However, we already have a Maori Party, and the MMP voting system, so perhaps New Zealand is destined to be governed by coalitions from parties each supported mainly by voters of a specific race or specific races.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300469933/christopher-luxon-says-national-caucus-is-not-ethnically-diverse-because-of-poor-election-result
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December 3, 2021 5:36pm
- graham
  
  Yeah, but honestly that’s no great surprise coming from Stuff.
  
  One of the main reasons I decided to stop reading Stuff was because they have been driven by various agendas for some time now, and one of those agendas is “diversity”. In my opinion, they are compromised by these agendas – I do not trust Stuff to report certain issues objectively or in a neutral manner, without bias.
  
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  December 3, 2021 5:57pm
- Prince
  
  Just more bullshit reporting by bullshit reporters looking to attack National instead of analysing Govt actions and results.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  oh dear –
  has Stuff forgotten that very recent previous Leader combinations of Nats were Bridges & Bennett, both with Maori heritage and Collins & Reti
  One with a Samoan-Chinese husband and the other a Māori?
  
  What has the leadership if Labour been lately:
  Ardern & Robertson: Pakeha & pakeha
  
  and the previous leaders:
  Little – pakeha
  Cunliffe -pakeha
  Shearer – pakeha
  Goff – pakeha
  Clark- pakeha
  
  … somehow, I’m beginning to detect a pattern with NZ Labour – Only Pakeha as Party Leader.
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  December 3, 2021 7:00pm
  - JerJer
    
    What’s a Pakeha ?
    
    I will correct you.
    
    The correct terminology is White European.
    
    It is correct, and even better, it offends the woke.
    
    So, we can say, correctly, that the Labour leadership are White Europeans. Land owners too (even more offensive).
    
    Conversely. National leadership are
    Much more diverse, experienced, and more successful.
    
    When will the media catch up.
    
    Because the Maori in the National inner circle are rich and successful and educated….is this a bad thing ?
    
    Non-woke (read normal people) diversity is about to take over.
    
    Bye Jacinda.
    
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    December 3, 2021 8:55pm
  - rjay
    
    The deputy leader of Labour is Kelvin Davis. Just that he is too useless to be deputy PM.
    
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    December 3, 2021 9:08pm
alloytoo

So, should the white voters be forced to vote for non-white candidates, or should the non-white voters be prevented from voting for white candidates?

What part of democracy do these reporters not understand.
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December 3, 2021 6:05pm
Fletch

A lot of misinformation being pushed on 1 News tonight. How “evidence overseas” shows that the virus shifts its attention away from the vaccinated elderly onto children. That just isn’t true. Children are the least affected by the virus. It’s a fact. But they are still looking to push the vaccines onto them – the jab available here from next month.
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December 3, 2021 6:14pm
- Fletch
  
  ps, they also talked about Astra Zenenca and blood clots, but claimed that the risk of clotting from the virus itself was far higher. I call BS on that, too!
  The media are full of the “misinformation” they usually like to apply to so-called “anti-vaxxers.” They just can’t be trusted.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:27pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is a study from Germany, published 3 days ago : Risk of Hospitalization, severe disease, and mortality due to COVID-19 and PIMS-TS in children with SARS-CoV-2 infection in Germany
  
  Results: While the overall hospitalization rate associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection was 35.9 per 10,000 children, ICU admission rate was 1.7 per 10,000 and case fatality was 0.09 per 10,000. Children without comorbidities were found to be significantly less likely to suffer from a severe or fatal disease course. The lowest risk was observed in children aged 5-11 without comorbidities. In this group, the ICU admission rate was 0.2 per 10,000 and case fatality could not be calculated, due to an absence of cases.
  
  So for healthy kids there was 1 ICU admission in 50,000 cases and zero fatalities.
  
  Injecting children with this therapy is child abuse, and any health authority or pharma company promoting this are abusers.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:40pm
billyt

Thank you krazy kiwi
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December 3, 2021 7:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  You’re welcome, billyt. The inject-o-lust driving the jabbing of children is disturbing beyond measure. I believe it truly evil, and those who advocate for it are monsters.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:03pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else pissed off with this Fonterra milk payout of $9+ to farmers?

Just shot down to Farro’s to get a few things for lunch tomorrow……Butter $8.95 a pkt. 🙁
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December 3, 2021 7:45pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Shearer was saying one chap was getting $300 for his lambs this year. Fonterra will need to lift their payout if they want to compete, the price of wool be damned.
  
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  December 3, 2021 8:19pm
- JerJer
  
  Nope. I’m good with it. I hope butter goes to 2o dollars a packet.
  
  That is what you get when you harass farmers and add unreasonable costs production.
  
  You get hit with the costs, and if you encouraged it, you deserve it.
  
  Enjoy the margarine I say. Good luck with the rickets and your teeth.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So when your little child/grandchild gets vaxxed, will he/she/them have to carry a vax passport or a cell-phone around with them when they go to the library/picture theatres/swimming pool/ballet/ gym, etc?

Will unvaxxed kiddie winkles be excluded from classrooms/playgrounds next term?
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December 3, 2021 7:50pm
- JerJer
  
  Nope. That’s not allowed. They already pulled out of that stupidity already. Child has a right to education and the schools are not allowed to ask for evidence of vaccination.
  
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  December 3, 2021 9:06pm
CRT changes NZ into the New Zimbabwe

Hone is going to LEGALLY set up road blocks all over Northland ….CRAZY HYSTERIA supported by Cindy and her Crazy Caucus:

She has legalised the vigilantes

The more she incites FEAR the more OUTRAGED and divided this nation becomes.

How soon before someone gets SERIOUSLY hurt in all of this.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-is-anyone-else-surprised-northland-iwi-stopping-cars-is-now-legal/
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December 3, 2021 9:09pm
- Diogenes
  
  It’s almost impossible to find words to describe how atrocious/repugnant this is, both the law change, and the deception. Is there anything this government will not stoop to?
  
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  December 3, 2021 10:45pm

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