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NeverMindTheBollocks

Reports tell us that Omicron is highly transmissible but that no deaths have been recorded.

That being the case, perhaps we should deliberately introduce it here & tell Pfizer to stick their vaccine where the sun don’t shine.
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December 6, 2021 8:01am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  What and the Government admit they they made a mistake.
  
  No welcome to a new level of lockdown tyranny.
  
  I feel sorry for the people who have been slowly compromising their natural immune system,
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:44am
  - John Pakes
    
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    Thanks, but no thanks, Mr Blobby. No need for your sorrow, I am more than happy with how things are going along.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:49am
    - Homas
      
      Once again John, the bit where you were asked is mysteriously AWOL.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:22am
    - alloytoo
      
      Well that certainly says a lot about you.
      
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      December 6, 2021 12:56pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Baaaaaa
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:01pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      John P: Tick tock tick tock .. for you and me! And I’m not happy.
      
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      December 6, 2021 11:34pm
  - Alan1930
    
    If you’re not vaccinated against COVID-19 then you don’t have any immunity against COVID-19, natural or otherwise.
    
    You sound just like Rex Warwood; “I’ve got an immune system, have you never heard of one of those” he said. Two days later he died on the ward at North Shore Hospital OF COVID (not just with COVID).
    
    That’s the rub; you lot can keep up your stupidity, paranoia, and mind games, but the virus doesn’t give a shit. Given that most here seem to be of an advancing age, it’s odds on that there will eventually be several unnecessary deaths among blog members. And probably several more who will wish that they were once they get it.
    
    But hey – keep playing your stupid games. Your stupid prize isn’t far away.
    
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    December 6, 2021 6:00pm
    - ByGolly
      
      He was 80!!
      
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      December 6, 2021 11:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Include me out of your little experiment.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:05am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Include me out of your little experiment also. (Wait, are you talking about the provisionally approved vaccines? Oh yeah you can’t opt out of that without severe conssequences)
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:16am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Fair enough, but don’t forget that you’re also involved in an experiment on a global scale.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:38pm
- Fletch
  
  A new study shows that Omicron may share genetic code with the common flu.
  
  Researchers in the study said it’s possible that COVID-19 picked up the genetic sequence from the other virus when a person was infected with both pathogens.
  
  The mutation could mean the virus transmits more easily, while only causing mild or asymptomatic disease, according to the study, which has yet to be peer-reviewed.
  
  https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/omicron-variant-may-have-picked-up-common-cold-virus/
  
  The study – https://osf.io/f7txy/
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:11am
  - Ra Henare
    
    After a visit to my GP this morning(I have been seeing him for 20 years).
    It was very interesting. A month ago when I visited him he couldnt wait to take his mask off after checking I didnt have Covid symptoms(he knows I am double double jabbed
    
    Today he was firmly in the mask camp.
    I asked him why the change.
    …Well covid is in our community now(Tauranga).
    and things keep changing every day with possible new variants….
    
    I didnt engage in debate(time was on my dime)
    
    But it made me wonder at 75 years old male, what am I statistically likely to die from.
    
    Ministry of Health, bless their cotton socks, have Mortality tables with all sorts of data, some by age.
    
    So based on annual MOH figure(pre covid).
    I have
    35% chance of croaking from cancer
    32% chance of heart problems
    9.8% Chance of Lung/Respiratory problems.
    
    Gave me pause for thought. I already knew my chance of catching covid were small.
    
    But ye gods, they are infinitesimal compared to a stroke or a heart attack or Cancer..
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:46pm
- Surely Knott
  
  How can a disease be highly transmissible with no deaths recorded under WHO’s new definition. The MOH definition (only put on the website last month) is that if you have covid and you die you are a covid death whether or not it is related to covid. So if the virus spreads their will be covid deaths even if it is completely benign
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:13am
- dcrane
  
  Could be but it’s still early to tell since deaths lag infections by 2–3 weeks. Also, one commenter noted that high local levels of immunity gained from earlier infection could mean that results will vary as the virus leaves that region.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:14am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Omicron as it is known, has actually been around longer, but only formally detected very recently. Possibly it is a detection issue ?
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:17pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I have been disappointed but not surprised at the reaction to the unvaxxed from people I have known a long time. One told me they should be held down and the needle rammed up their arses.
  
  They have abandoned their previous principle of freedom of the individual.
  
  Students of history well know that evil political leaders have used divide and rule as a weapon of command and control.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m left wondering if a call from WINZ was not a heated vaccine demand call. I had one from a Waikato centre.
    As a former Public Servant in an occupation where I had to constantly prove my right to act I am well used to putting petty officialdom in its place. I don’t welcome such entanglement nor should they.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:56am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Even though I am fully vaccinated I share the concerns about the denigration of individual freedoms and the nasty strain of ‘labeling’ and ostracism that is going on. I commented yesterday that I was repulsed by the sight of guards standing at the entrance to my church to turn away the ‘unclean’, and am disappointed that the Catholic clergy are acting as agents of the state. I was delighted however to go to a restaurant last evening where, although all the signs about vaccination passports were on display, noone asked to inspect them. No doubt there will be members of the immorality police all too ready to dob the restaurant owner into the police or the holier-than-thou media. But I say hats off to him!
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:05am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Historically, the catholic church has pretty much always been an agent of the state or, indeed, the state an agent of the catholic church.
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:43pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Whoever told you that must be unvaccinated themselves lastmanstanding, as the vaccination is not administered to the buttocks. Perhaps they could put their money where their mouth is (arms where they wanted other people’s buttocks) and get their shots themselves?
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:33am
  - Alan1930
    
    Only if you define “infinitesimal” as “around 1/3 of the other two”.
    
    Just remember, the risks are cumulative, not mutually exclusive.
    
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    December 6, 2021 6:05pm
  - Alan1930
    
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    If people want to make stupid selfish decisions the outcome of which affects only them, then knock yourself out. Want to smoke on your own and get lung cancer – go for it. Want to drink to excess regularly and kill your liver – be my guest – those are your rights. But the line is drawn when those choices affect others; want to smoke in your office where others have to work so that their health is impacted by your selfish actions and I have a HUGE problem with that. Want to drink to excess regularly and hop in a car and kill someone else and I have a HUGE problem with that too.
    
    To date, nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated – but given that breakthrough infections occur in approximately 5% of exposures in vaccinated people – and given that there are other immunocompromised people the only rational course of action that will give these people a fighting chance is to keep the high-risk unvaccinated idiots away from as many people as possible.
    
    That’s the price idiots need to learn to accept for their stupidity.
    
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    December 6, 2021 6:17pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  The horrid lead with an article from South Africa loaded with emotive anecdotes about children getting sick and one dying but it’s not clear what variant they had.
  
  I’m not saying omicron is netter or worse for anyone or kids. I think, as mentioned above, we should wait for data and make informed decisions.
  
  But what is the point of the lead Horrid article on their website today? It didn’t contain data or anything that can be used to make better decisions. At best it’s just scaring people for clicks. At worst it’s trying to soften us up for the inevitable drive to vaccinate young children who have almost no risk from the covid strains we know a fair bit about. The media are failing us. They do not deserve millions of dollars of taxpayers money.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:08am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    But what is the point of the lead Horrid article on their website today?
    
    It was given a description back in the 1970’s for US TV:
    “If it bleeds, it leads”
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:12am
  - Alan1930
    
    … [Deleted – if you want to keep commenting here, stop your derogatory point scoring epithets. Next one will be deleted entirely. mod.]
    
    So here we have South Africa – entering their 4th wave – and they reporting that the impact on children is far far worse than previous strains of COVID. And Omicron has just come along.
    
    So anyone with at least 1/2 a brain would deduce that it’s most likely Omicron – or it’s some other variant. And it’s serious (despite the breathtakingly stupid assertions here that it’s our “ticket out of this pandemic”).
    
    Either way, it’s NEWS; it’s not an “action plan” – we already have one of those (get vaccinated, wear masks, socially distance, ventilate rooms). The science is being done; if that means that the vaccine needs to be tweaked then so be it.
    
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    December 6, 2021 6:50pm
- bronny1
  
  won’t happen, someone won’t be able to be puppetmistress anymore if there is no fear.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:19am
- burt
  
  tell Pfizer to stick their vaccine where the sun don’t shine
  
  You don’t talk to the company that now set all of our health policies like that. They tell us what we need to need to do and it’s obvious if Omicron is less lethal then we need more boosters.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:31am
- bennerg
  
  Language is often used to confuse. In the case of any virus there are two factors:
  
  infectiousness, or transmissibility
  This is the speed and ease with which the virus can infect. This is the factor of motion.
  
  virulence or viral load
  This is the ability of the virus to cause damage to it’s host (you). This is the factor of impact on you.
  
  Analogy: You can get hit by a feather traveling at 30km/hr and you will not be affected. However an elephant at that speed will devastate you.
  
  So when you hear “highly infectious”, don’t get all fearful, it only means it is easy to transmit, but says nothing of the ultimate impact on you. If you are healthy, your immune system in good check, highly infectious may mean little.
  
  Covid-19 has an impact only slightly above that of seasonal flu.(1) The mortality rate is something like 2.2 vs 1.5 on a scale of 100. And the target demographic is the same. Covid-19 is not a “mall shooter” killing randomly, it is more like a pick pocket targeting the vulnerable.
  
  It appears so much fear has been induced by the (mis)use of language. Especially in the opinion pieces by people such as Dr Rod Jackson of Auckland University. When you read his articles in teh NZ Herald it is full of words such as “can”, “may”, “possibly”, but when read by the average person the impression given is “definitely”. Especially when followed up by “you must” in regards to getting the jab.
  
  Now we have Omicron, which appears to be a way out of this whole malaise we find ourselves in. The virus has mutated into a much more benign entity, and more infectious. That means we will all get it easier, but it’s virulence is way much lower. And we all then get natural immunity, not this pseudo sort (faux immunity) provided by the mRNA jabs that wanes in 3 – 6 months.
  
  It’s like we have a “feather” to thank for a path to return to normality. Except of course the current mob will try anything to ramp up the fear and make this yet another reason to further lock us up by misusing the language.
  
  Once it is all over, we then have to deal to those who have used this whole debacle to as a smokescreen to pass terrible legislation, with extreme restrictions on our freedoms. Whomever is campaigning must:
  
  (i) make a stand to remove all legislative restrictions enacted during the course of the pandemic, and return to previous norms
  
  (ii) remove all unannounced legislation the current government has foisted upon us:
  eg. He Puapua, Three Waters, Health & Criminal System reforms, and put that all to the voters, individually through referenda.
  
  (iii) have a royal commission on the part health officials have (ab)used their position to bring about the largest devastation on our economy since WWII, and for what?
  
  Back to words, we now have a campaign that is eerily reminiscent of 1930’s Germany, with segregation of society into groups, with sinister restrictions of freedom of movement. Using terms such as “the unvaccinated” implies that they are dirty and unclean, and is based on no rigorous science at all. It is simply the politics of power and control gone rogue. A further smokescreen to hide the political agenda of an inept but devious government.
  
  (1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7424620/
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:39am
  - Alan1930
    
    “Now we have Omicron, which appears to be a way out of this whole malaise we find ourselves in”
    
    No. Just no.
    
    It’s statements like this that epitomise the dangers of unqualified and untrained people cherry-picking data that they don’t understand and then using their misunderstanding to support their wishful thinking that runs completely contrary to the conclusions of the majority of trained & experienced professionals who have made careers from their expertise.
    
    It’s flawed on so many levels.
    
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    December 6, 2021 6:57pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You are clueless. Completely clueless. Your abject fear of this in the face of all statistics is astonishing confirmation of the mass formation we are currently witnessing.
      
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      December 7, 2021 2:17am
- Jimbob
  
  If no one was tested, we would be in level one enjoying life. Just as politicians ignore climate science, they ignore the science of virology. The more a virus mutates, the more contagious it becomes. However they are more harmless, so why the panic? The pandemic has finished, so is Ardern.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:46am
- NoFax
  
  Dr. John Campbell has a good video on Omicron variant in South Africa – very positive news. It looks like Omicron is highly infectious but low severity – Covid is over (if we want it to end)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Paq17X6ucQ&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:08pm
- coge
  
  Pfizer could lodge it in the same place as the passport!
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:47pm
- Alan1930
  
  So in other words you want to see everyone infected twice because 1 variant hasn’t killed anyone yet.
  
  As usual you make no sense whatsoever.
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:49pm
  - bronny1
    
    Who cares is you get infected if it’s so mild you barely notice?
    
    (Actually the second half of that sentence is redundant)
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:13pm
Yvette

National COVID-19 spokesperson Chris Bishop was surprised to hear National had been through more leaders in the past two years than COVID-19 variants that have reached New Zealand.

But then after Phil Goff, there was David Shearer, David Cunliffe (photos of him wandering lonely on a beach), Andrew Little, and ending up, for now, with Jacinda Ardern – seems Labour struggled to deliver, as now, and just a bit longer, also as now.

Even the Little / Ardern change-over was “partial delivery” compared to the more emphatic Luxon / Collins handover over, after the latter so spectacularly ~~crushed~~ crashed and burned.

Little offered Ardern the party leadership and she responded with “You stick it out” (and drink your poisoned chalice).
He called Ardern into his office to talk through his options. “She was very clear she said, ‘you must stick at it and carry on’. [1]

Then the day he resigned, Little told RNZ reporter Mei Heron as he arrived at Wellington Airport this morning that he would not be offering his resignation at caucus, or asking for a vote of confidence. [2]
But a Little later, Ardern in her turn arrived at Wellington Airport and enroute in a taxi to Parliament was rung and told Little was standing down and she was It.

So, while National may have been through more leaders in the past two years than covid–19 variants that have reached New Zealand, Ardern’s rise to fame is more like the emergence of Omicron.

[1] https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2017/12/the-demise-and-rise-of-andrew-little/
[2] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/336219/little-walks-the-plank
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December 6, 2021 8:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Don’t forget David Parker, who was caretaker leader for a month or so after Shearer resigned, and whilst the election process for Cunliffe was conducted.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m sure then that you will include Shane Reti in the list of national party leaders from 2016 to date:
    John Key
    Bill English
    Simon Bridges
    Todd Muller
    Judith Collins
    Shane Reti
    Simon Luxon
    So national’s seven leaders in five years is still much more impressive than labour’s seven in nine years.
    I think in future it might be useful to measure party leadership in a unit of leaders per month. statisticians such as DPF should take delight in calculating and recalculating such a figure.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:25am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Apologies for getting Mr Luxon’s Christian name wrong.
      
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      December 6, 2021 12:58pm
    - I remember when
      
      It just shows that at least National know when they have made the wrong selection earlier.
      
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      December 6, 2021 3:24pm
- Yvette
  
  As a footnote, on the Little to Ardern change of Labour Leadership, Little said –
  “In all of this, and in the end the factor that got me over the line was my confidence in Jacinda Ardern to step up and do the job.” He’d seen her develop and was confident that she could campaign successfully and lead the country.
  “She has amazing analytical skills in arguing about issues, to cut through and get to the core of an issue and focus on what’s important. It is decision-making, it’s judgment, it’s dealing with people including difficult people, it’s presenting and advocating to an audience or to a group.”
  She also has the ability to communicate in the media, what Little calls the “magic” that he admits he doesn’t have.
  So, he says, he was pleased when “Jacinda-Mania” took hold and Labour immediately rose in the polls.
  https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2017/12/the-demise-and-rise-of-andrew-little/
  
  So Little himself recognises “Jacinda-Mania” as a phenomenal phenomenon, and before Ardern announced any policy apart from promising everything would be “Absoludly Positividy”. When New Zealand media ran out of gushing adjectives, they asked Australian media what they thought of Jacinda. The answer was Nothing, she hasn’t had time to do anything yet! – again proving Labour’s raising popularity was all stardust.
  
  And Ardern, not expecting Labour to win under Little, and the Labour Party having been in Opposition for nine years of lazy inactivity – which is what they since have continually tried to blame National of – seems to have developed no real policy, as evidenced by the appointment of subsequent committees and working groups, at one stage running over a hundred (using tax-payer funding to scope labour policy), so she was all communicative fairy stardust but no fucking pie.
  
  Just as someone yesterday remarked “Yvette, I … compliment you on your skill assembling your posts. I don’t mean to take anything away from your conversation but the initial visual aspect of your posts is positively dominant”.
  That, if it is the case, is in fact also all another form of stardust and bloody bull-shit, if i say nothing of substance – worth reading and considering – or take too long to say it. (Thank you, though, for the thought :o)
  
  Here is another somewhat “show-pony”, “dendacious” example from kiwiblog history – double spaded, mostly lower case, and distinguished particularly by an excess of periods .. .. ..
  
  philu
  
  “..Why do you make baseless assertions? Are you delusional or mendacious?..”
  
  he is a mix of the two..
  
  call him ‘melusional’..or ‘dendacious’
  
  (i prefer ‘dendacious’..)
  
  phil(whoar.co.nz)
  
  –––––
  
  philu
  
  you are mistaking outright laughter/mild bemusement..for knicker twisting..there..hurf..
  
  but then again..
  
  there is a lot you ‘mistake’..
  
  eh..?
  
  this we already know..
  
  i think it’s a race between you and blount..
  
  for uncomprehending-git-of-the-month..
  
  eh..?
  
  phil(whoar.co.nz)
  
  Sorry to anyone who was not quite so keen on Philu, and whose morning had been going OK up until now.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:50am
  - Yvette
    
    Oops!..regarding Philu..
    
    I meant ‘spaced’ rather than ‘spaded’..
    
    (although what philu wrote could sometimes be heavy going)..
    
    my bad..
    
    eh..?
    
    and as further distinguishing features..
    
    I missed the use of alternatives/synonyms/substitutes ..
    
    separated by slashes..
    
    and no space ever between ‘..’
    
    OK..that has thrashed that to death..
    
    eh..?
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:37am
  - Jack5
    
    ? Philu is back, with a truck load of full stops.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:00am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, it seems it is just Yvette pininn for philu.
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:40pm
mikenmildagain

Commemorating today 100 years since the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty ended the Irish war of independence (and started the Irish Civil War).
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December 6, 2021 8:02am
- rangitoto
  
  Ireland should ditch the EU and rejoin the UK.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:10am
  - NoFax
    
    Ireland should remain independent and is far better off outside the UK than it was ever inside. Why would anyone think someone else is better at governing your own country or individual life is beyond me.
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well being Irish I can say confidently that the Irish government are doing an absolutely awful job of running the place and would be better under the idiot Johnson. Their covid response is more tyrannical than Arderns and that’s saying something.
      
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      December 7, 2021 2:23am
- kowtow
  
  The “irish war of independence” was itself a civil war ,murderous terrorism , anti democratic and genocidal in outcome.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:15am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Almost any war can be defined as a ‘civil war’, if that’s what you want to do. Likewise with ‘terrorism’ and ‘genocide’.
    It seems unlikely to me that someone with your mindset would ever accept that the Irish generally, and the Irish catholics more specifically, could ever have had any justified grievances against the English generally, and the protestant colonists specifically.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:08am
- MCōs
  
  I had some elderly aunts in Chch who had their noses out of joint because a guy who they believed (rather fancifully I suspect) was part of our very extended family back in Ireland was on the wrong side of that civil war and indeed became prime minister.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Wrong side ?
    
    Both sides have been in power by turns and are now in a Grand Coalition with the Loon greens , all to keep out the current set of terrorist huggers , Sinn Fein ,who are now the highest polling party there.
    
    There’s no “right side” when it comes to murder.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It seems that kowtow believes that the terrorism in Northern Ireland was perpetrated by one ‘side’ only.
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s like people who insist that Maori should just get over historical grievances, but in the next breath (or comment) insist that the Ulster unionists are right to never accept a united Ireland.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Will being Irish I can say confidently that the Irish government are doing an absolutely awful job of running the place and would be better under the idiot Johnson. Their covid response is more tyrannical than Arderns and that’s saying something.
      
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      December 7, 2021 2:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Such things can go back a long way. My wife had (now deceased some time) ancient auntie who refused to share her room in her retirement place, because “she’s a Campbell you know”. And accused this unfortunately descended person of stealing her lollies – which as it turns out, she was ! Canna trust a Campbell…
    
    Of course one can guess the family association of my in law relative.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:36pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Glencoe!
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:46pm
- Jack5
  
  With Putin assembling troops near Ukraine, it’s timely to note that on this day in 1240, Batu Khan’s Muslims destroyed Kiev, killing 48,000 of the 50,000 inhabitants.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:03am
  - MCōs
    
    I had a headstrong Serbian friend in Bangkok who despised Turks.
    I found out when I was over there it’s not a good idea to discuss the politics of another person’s country.
    You never win, even if you’re right.
    However I asked him why he hated Turks.
    He brought up some war that happened 500 years ago.
    I changed the subject to fishing.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:31pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Yep, I had a really cool Syrian friend in Bangkok, but I quickly learned never to mention anything tangentially related to Jews or Israel. Even then, he’d go off on an unhinged fact-free rant occasionally. Propaganda is powerful stuff.
      
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      December 6, 2021 5:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Like your average Kiwiblogger nutting off about Muslims?
        
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        December 6, 2021 6:41pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Or at least we are TOLD that “Putin” is assembling troops on the border with Ukraine. Not entirely convinced that this is necessarily entirely truthful.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:38pm
surfing

Auckland school students have a huge advantage over the rest of the country in NCEA.

Mocks are marked more leniently by teachers, and Auckland students are being allowed to use their grades for mocks by not turning up to NCEA.

Auckland students have had a harder time, but they’ve been given free credits to compensate, now they are being given two chances to sit exams for the best grade.

Pendulum swung too far I think… especially for students who prefer working from home.
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December 6, 2021 8:02am
- dime
  
  it sounds like just a mess.
  
  so students with a good home life should slay it.
  
  if they do it any differently though.. 150,000 starving kids will fail.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:31am
  - surfing
    
    It will be interesting if Auckland do end up with much better grades than the rest of the nation…. and whether they’ll scale them?
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:43pm
- Ruawai
  
  Interesting side note, schools have been told by MOE that they are to stay at old level 3 until the end of the school year rather than move to the traffic light system, crazy when these kids can go to a mall or restaurant.
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:04pm
Ruahine

Herald reports Arderns concern over possible misuse of her stupid vaccine Pass.
It is a pity she did not publicly show a bit more concern about all the people being illegally killed in New Zealand.
More people have been illegally killed in New Zealand since Covid arrived than have died from it.
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December 6, 2021 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What did she expect?
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:28am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    She expects you to comply.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:01am
    - coge
      
      I wonder what the next Govt demands will be? Would anyone like to guess?
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:49pm
      - bronny1
        
        Mandatory vax for all.
        
        They might get some opposition.
        
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        December 6, 2021 7:16pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The answer will be to double down on the stupid and ramp up the tyranny.
  
  To the load applause of the crowd.
  
  That’s how a democracy dies and transforms into a dictatorship.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:00am
- Jimbob
  
  I was in a business and no one bothered with a mask, they were done with it. Someone came not wearing a mask and they were just laughing. They were all young women. The beginning of the end for Ardern.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:04am
Luke Piewalker

*I have a genuine reason not to have the vaccine.

Currently up to $20k of cancellation of summer/autumn bookings because I am blocked out of society.

Well done Cindy.
Hope you are proud of the NZ you have created.
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December 6, 2021 8:09am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Yes she is, and she is just getting started.
  
  You will adjust to her new normal.
  
  And you WI’LL be happy by decree.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:03am
  - Ed Snack
    
    You will own nothing and like it !
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:39pm
- Yvette
  
  I comfort myself in wondering how many non-vaccined, so non-pass-carrying, so disfranchised New Zealanders, will vote for Ardern (yet again) … or, in fact, how many vaccinated will also not vote Labour, after having to be re-vaccinated (euthanistically called “boosters”) up to five times before the next Election.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:20am
  - bronny1
    
    I think you meant euphemistic not euthanastic….funny though!
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:18pm
- John Pakes
  
  Cindy probably is. At the last count the nation is right behind her. 88% fully vaccinated, soon to hit 90, and our leaders in Parliament 100% vaccinated. And very few folk see any problem in popping their vax passport into their wallet alongside their drivers licence.
  So, the people are right behind her with the exception of a few such as your self.
  Think on as well, to the fact that those who will no longer get your money could well be thankful that you will be nowhere near them.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    At the last count the nation is right behind her
    
    Strange then, that the popularity of this Government and that of our Dear PM is dropping, dropping, dropping.
    
    One thing about a lot of folks… they do obey orders/instructions, but most don’t appreciate being backed into a corner.
    
    I’m Covid-vaxxed, but it wasn’t done on my terms (time at first vax, or period beween vaxxes).
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:07pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    She will be long remembered as the worst PM in history. That is a fact. Apparently idiots voted for Biden too.
    
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    December 7, 2021 2:32am
- bronny1
  
  I am sad that you have to say you have a “genuine” reason. I assume that is, say a medical reason.
  I also have a genuine reason – i don’t want their poison, nor do i need it.
  I feel for you terribly, its just revolting what she has done, but a genuine reason should be as simple as personal choice.
  PS Before anyone asks – I would happily sign a waiver saying i will stay away from hospital if i get covid, provided all the overweight lifestyle-diseased double vaxxed do the same.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You ain’t seen nothing yet. The more power and control socialists get, the more they crave more. We have another 2 years of her shit
  
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  December 6, 2021 2:06pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Labour’s Covid debacle is a good argument against a 4-year parliamentary term.
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:19pm
Mobile Michael

Lynch mob kill Sri Lankan immigrant:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/03/pakistan-sri-lankan-man-priyantha-diyawadana-tortured-killed-alleged-blasphemy-sialkot

Yet, nothing on Stuff and buried deep in the Herald. One wonders if this was in the US what page it would be on.
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December 6, 2021 8:09am
- bartybart
  
  [Gross generalisation which is in breach of commenting policy. Mod], every bone was broken, 99% of his body burned.
  
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  December 6, 2020 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  You have to wonder at the Media Party’s obsessive coverage of certain crimes , like the Gabbi Petito case and then their silence on these .
  
  Note how little coverage there is of the war in Ethiopia , but they will tell you that climate threatens billions …….
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  MM, I read that more Muslims than ever are converting to Christianity because of Islamic extremism. Anyone know if this is actually happening?
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:42am
yossarian

So Germany and Austria have banned a small group of people for all but essential services and requiring passses to be displayed on demand. The last time that happened, it didn’t end too well.

“History Doesn’t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain
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December 6, 2021 8:11am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  My understanding is that 30% of Austrians remain pure bloods. If so, hardly a “small group.”
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:49pm
  - bronny1
    
    How do you compulsorily vax someone, seriously? In a so called democracy. Is it sending 3 thugs around and holding you down while you scream?
    
    I’m genuinely curious.
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:21pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Eventually, yes. Once vaccinations are mandatory, men in costumes will kidnap you and put you in a cage. You will then be jabbed “for your own good” and “for public safety”.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:23pm
Matt Long

Omicron is looking increasingly like the highly contagious but low morbidity Covid 19 strain that will end the pandemic.
If it is expect the NZ government policies, whether under Tweedledum or Tweedledee to catch up in 5 to 10 years.
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December 6, 2021 8:12am
- emmess
  
  It’s the moronic variant
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyY7NmbBz0A&t=499s
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  “Omnishables” is looking more and more like the end game. Good.
  
  Brenda, St Ash, Hone Heke and the rest of the Kungflu team can stand down then and fuck off.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:22am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Yeh about that.
    
    Not going to happen.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:05am
  - backster
    
    Then what will happen to the change from the $200 million given to part maori to get vaccinated?
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  You think so? There is an array of powerful people and organisations who benefit from this situation being stretched out. Farr’s law is all very well in principle, but these people now have vaccine-led health issues, lockdown-driven economic & health crises and a kit bag full of other tricks to keep us fearful and subservient.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:22am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And the propaganda experience to drive the crowds in the direction they want. Nudge nudge…
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah, but we’re only midway into the Greek Alphabet…What else could be lurking out there?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300468456/omicron-why-were-running-out-of-greek-letters-for-covid
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:29am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    And there are unlimited Roman Numerals if the Greek alphabet runs dry!
    
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    December 6, 2021 8:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Bit of a drag deciphering MDCCCLXXIV tho’.
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:23pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        A sniffle’s a sniffle. Don’t think the name’s really going to change the outcome – touch wood 🙂
        
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        December 6, 2021 3:59pm
  - Ruahine
    
    A new variant will arise bigger, better and deadlier by the middle of January next year. Keep tuned to the correct news providers for all the correct information.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:07am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Bill Gates recommends watch out for small pox.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:04am
      - Reid
        
        And Marberg…
        
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        December 6, 2021 10:53am
  - NoFax
    
    The WHO skipped 2 letter as well – Nu as it sounds like new and Xi because their master wouldn’t like that.
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes that is my cautious conclusion too. It looks like it is highly contagious and is defeating the vaccines.
  
  Hopefully in 12 months all this will be behind us. Except for the giant fiscal hangover.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think Governments will have learnt that folks comply quickly with repressive orders when threatened.
    
    Expect more of the same, more often.
    
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    December 6, 2021 8:44am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi Benedict
    
    I appreciate your optimism Monday morning. But I am old enough to remember when it was just 2 weeks to flatten the curve!
    
    Rodney
    
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    December 6, 2021 8:53am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Hi Rodney
      
      I am pretty sure that I am not immortal and will die at some time.
      
      Covid does not make the top 10 list of things I could or will die from.
      
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      December 6, 2021 9:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Two weeks to flatten the curve.
      
      MIQ will keep the virus out.
      
      Get vaccinated to have life return to normal.
      
      There is more truth in the assertions of my Nigerian uncle than in the promises of the Ardern government.
      
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      December 6, 2021 9:37am
      - alex Masterley
        
        You forgot “short and sharp lockdown” starting 13 August.
        
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        December 6, 2021 9:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve got Our Dear PM’s “golden ticket”…
        
        I’m just waiting for the Government to supply the app so I can cash it in.
        
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        December 6, 2021 10:24am
      - bronny1
        
        you forgot “nobody will be forced to have the vaccine”
        
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        December 6, 2021 10:29am
      - mawm
        
        Accidental report bronny1.
        
        Also there will not be a vaccine passport.
        
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        December 6, 2021 1:59pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Those who choose to opt out won’t face any penalties at all.
        
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        December 6, 2021 10:30pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        And masks aren’t necessary.
        
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        December 6, 2021 11:59pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Like a bad flu year we could see 500 to 700 deaths.
    
    The spin from the modelers will be 500,000 to 700,000
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:08am
- tf78
  
  Matt, if they don’t have the Deadly Covid variant they have nothing. We will then be free because their special pandemic powers will be removed.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:25am
  - mawm
    
    No you will not. Now you will have your bright shiny and new QR code for a social credit pass to allow access or not depending on whether you have been naughty or nice.
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:55am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  While this one may be even less of a threat, all of the previous iterations of Covid have been low morbidity as well. That hasn’t stopped the tyranny, though.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    I’ve just received my fold-out sheet of paper on “The Traffic Lights”: our next chapter in keeping Aotearoa NZ safe.
    
    It tells me: If you’re fully vaccinated, you’re still able to get COVD-19 but are likely to only have mild to moderate symptoms.
    
    and that is precisely the same position I was in at December 2019.
    
    2 years of lockdowns, staying at home, being masked, being vaxxed and NOTHING has improved.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:36pm
Bridgenag

Well again there were huge protests all around the country over forced jab mandates and loss of freedoms and I saw News Hub spin the Newmarket protest as being a blow to the retailers or some such . One good thing is that the young ones will look for themselves on TV and discover they don’t exist in this world of such blatant well bought bias !

The Blokes at Bowls have asked for a succinct way of telling their granddaughters why they should not vote for Cindy again. I know…..where to start? However serious question. Best I can come up with is councils and loss of democracy then start to waffle…….
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December 6, 2021 8:14am
- graham
  
  “… and I saw News Hub spin the Newmarket protest as being a blow to the retailers or some such …”
  
  Oh, in the same way that Hone’s merry band of thugs will be a blow to the retailers in Northland, as they do their best to intimidate Aucklanders into not going up north? Will News Hub report that in the same way?
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:47am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Difference is they want to take all that land North of the barricade back or get the GubberMINT to buy it back and give them the money and the land. Round up the wagons.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:11am
    - bronny1
      
      you know what, give them all of northland and tell them all to fuck off up there and not ask for anything further from us. Anyone that stays south of the border becomes a New Zealander only.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:36am
  - tf78
    
    graham, can taxpayer’s money be stopped at the border too – I bet not.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:26am
- Prince
  
  Ask them if they are happy entering the workforce/adult life owing $70,000 each for the Govt’s splashing cash into house prices ?
  Who is likely to manage the country out of this ? Labour – More splash and dash, apartheid spending, money for the Mob, jobs for the party hacks, media payoffs, or
  National – invest in education, productivity, plan to repay debt, cut the waste, back to basics.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:00am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Explain that Jacinda is just another boring, middle aged mother telling you what to do. “Eat your greens. Pick up your floordrobe. Take your jab”
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:09am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Same in the horrid, 2000 they counted.
  
  The clips I saw online showed many times that number.
  
  Headline Brian Tamariki no show, bemused shoppers etc
  
  The real Newspaper men of the past would be turning in their graves.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:18am
  - alex Masterley
    
    And junior cricket called off on the Domain…
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:41am
  - Diogenes
    
    Mr_Blobby — As I started my journalist career as a cadet reporter back in 1961 (in the days before university and polytech courses existed), I could probably qualify as a “real newspaper man of the past.” Yes, I am appalled at how journalism has deteriorated, but, as far as I can determine, I am not yet turning in my grave!
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:07am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Ask the granddaughters to show one thing that is noticeably better? Health? Crime? Poverty? Housing?
  
  This is a government that has spent billions and nothing improved.
  
  Your granddaughters are paying that off. Tell them to tighten their belts.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:26am
- bronny1
  
  How about listing her top priorities when she came into office and discussing them:
  1 Child Poverdy
  2 Housing
  3 Mental Health
  
  and when they say she has been busy with a pandemic point out all the “agenda” items she has managed to (or soon will) ram through under urgency, e.g. Maori health authority, Maori Wards, 3 Waters, buying land to appease the maori, digital currency, legalising Iwi roadblocks,…I’m sure the good people here can add many more.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:34am
- Surely Knott
  
  Actually the governments vaccine pass is a blow to retailers. And the business representative calling the thousands of anti mandate protestors utter dickheads is a blow to retailers also. I will be shopping at places that are pro-decency, civility and democracy.
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:08pm
kevn

Random thought:
1 billion (dollars) in (time) seconds, would take us from 2021 to 1989.
How many billion dollars are we up for?
Sooo much waste.
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December 6, 2021 8:17am
Ra Henare

For those interested regarding Jab reactions.
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/opinion/a-letter-to-our-prime-minister/
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December 6, 2021 8:19am
- mawm
  
  This is a very good letter. Of course the psychopathic Jacinda will not ever dare to reply (let alone read) to it because it questions her loyalties.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:12am
Maggie Pie

IF YOU’RE HAPPY & YOU KNOW IT CLAP YOUR HANDS 😀

Under intense questioning, National’s new Opposition leader Christopher Luxon tells NewsHub……

“I have no idea if I pay more for a haircut than Mike Hosking”

Jenna Lynchmob reports –

https://youtu.be/VrwoTrpq48E
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December 6, 2021 8:27am
- Frank the tank
  
  But he has no hair to cut?
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chris Luxon doesn’t get haircuts; he goes in for a wash, wax and polish 😀
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:37am
- amospicton
  
  What a shabby, pathetic attempted hit-job.
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    From the excellent K du Fresne blog.
    
    ‘The media appear obsessed with the fact that Luxon is a Christian. At the press conference that followed his elevation to the National leadership, the first question he faced (from TVNZ’s Jessica Mutch McKay) related to his religious beliefs.’
    
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-hit-jobs-on-luxon-came-even-sooner.html
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:31am
  - backster
    
    Be worth a grant from the media slush fund though.
    
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    December 6, 2021 10:23am
- Jack5
  
  Yep, Labour’s subsidised media sneering at Luxon over the rise in value of his housing investments.
  
  The housing bubble grew, and remains swollen, under the Labour Government and the Tree God that presides over the Reserve Bank.
  
  Perhaps Luxon might have answered, with a grateful smile, “… and thanks to Ardern and Adrian Orr for that.”
  
  And Luxon and Willis didn’t know the Trade Me Rental Price Index.
  
  That question was trivial compared with the introduction: “National’s new leader is making so much money on his seven properties, he couldn’t even tell you how much.
  
  That profit would be overwhelmingly from soaring property prices in the Great Ardern Bubble.
  
  With Ardern having abruptly cancelled the possibility of a capital gains tax in NZ, the bubble gains have been spectacular for property owners.
  
  But as Kenny Rogers sang in his song, The Gambler:You never count your money while you’re sitting at the table, there’ll be time enough for countin’ when the dealin’s done.
  
  The Ardern property poker night’s got an hour left to play.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:52am
Frank the tank

The feckless are going v. hard on Luxon v. early. Either they think they can break him or they are worried.

Watching “The Nation” on the weekend with it’s squinty eyed host I couldn’t help but feel sad for how bad political journalism has got in this country. The ‘interviews’ at the green Christmas function and the rent-a-maori analyst that had fawx tears for Maori vaccination represent yet another low point for the industry.

“Cheap Autos’ in Otahuhu has more integrity.
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December 6, 2021 8:28am
- Littletramp
  
  “She” now has the problem that she can’t attack Luxon personally, as she selected him to Chair her Business Development group, so she has to send the minions/proxies to do the dirty work.
  Don’t they realise they are shitting into their own nest with the criticism – they chose him & he opted out!
  Does Jack Tame realise when he questions Luxon on owning those rentals, that it is Ardern driving the disgraceful housing price rise problem not Luxon?
  Sane people would be crazy to invest elsewhere, but Tame is trying in desperation to paint him with hypocrisy?
  They just look more stupid as each week passes.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:00am
I remember when

Mayor Alex Beijen said thje real problem at the heart of the Featherston Wastewater Treatment Plant was that the Ministry for the Environment had not yet made public updated standards for compliance.
In November, last year, Beijen said a “worst-case scenario” price tag for the Plant could be $37 million.
“The money (being used to research the alternatives) is not being wasted, however it is frustrating that we cannot settle on a solution.”
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December 6, 2021 8:33am
Frank the tank

I see we are likely to be the only anglophile country appearing in the the 2022 CCP Winter Olympic Games.
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December 6, 2021 8:35am
- kowtow
  
  Under this mob we’ve become Anglo phobe.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:33am
I remember when

The Black Stump Cafe, in Pahiatua, closed its doors for the last time on Saturday.
After operating for 20 years the owners have decided they have to call it a day.
In the lockdown last year, there were no regional border closures, and they bounced back well.
This year, with lockdown, it just died.
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December 6, 2021 8:39am
- Sacha
  
  The Black Stump was our favourite family gather-for-lunch restaurant. The menu always had nice variants (?) on traditional kiwi dishes, and the people kindly relaxed and friendly.
  We are all sad that no-one could see their way to buying it when the owners wanted to retire.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:00am
- Lance
  
  What’s-her-name with the pink hair says businesses are just greedy and don’t care for real NZers.
  All the time she gets paid well no matter what.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    {Deleted – allegations, not here without proof. mod.]
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/collins-calls-dr-siouxsie-wiles-big-fat-hypocrite
      
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      December 6, 2021 3:18pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Well merited description.
        
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        December 6, 2021 6:23pm
greybeard

When on earth are the selectors going to do NZ cricket a favour and get rid of Ross Taylor?
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December 6, 2021 8:49am
- virtualmark
  
  I don’t know if it’s fair to judge any batsman on how well they perform in India – it’s a tough ask.
  
  But Taylor doesn’t seem to play regularly enough to maintain form. He has these long breaks, then comes back and plays shit for 2-3 games, then seems to be back to his normal form.
  
  The big question will be whether we need to put up with this 2-3 shit game problem when we have Conway and others now available.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree. He’s there on sentiment.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    Who was at the wicket with Williamson when the Test Cricket Championship was one.
    
    Bugger my days it was non other than Ross Taylor – part of a match winning partnership – again!!
    
    Short memories perhaps and he has had no cricket in between.
    
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    December 6, 2021 9:26am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed pdm. Taylor had been back at home in Hamilton, unable to play a match or two for CD because he couldn’t leave the Waikato area. He went into this series cold, and it showed, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for the scrapheap. And India is no place for someone to go when they’re underdone.
      
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      December 6, 2021 9:33am
- MCōs
  
  While initially I might have agreed with you I read an article on Cricinfo that changed my mind.
  Once NZ lost the toss there was no way they were going to have a look in in that game.
  They made things worse for themselves by not having their four top players and apart from Ajaz Patel the attack was totally inadequate.
  And their batting.
  India should have made them follow on and that would have been that, but apparently their boys are stuck in a bubble and have nothing to do until fly out to South Africa. So they batted and batted and took all the motivation out of performing for those of our guys with no point to prove.
  Mitchell is playing for his place and got 60. What’s in it for Taylor to poke around for an hour until he falls asleep? A couple of tests ago he won the Test Championship with Williamson.
  Setting us a gazzillion to win is just killing the game.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:40am
  - pdm
    
    Top four players missing? I have Williamson and Boult., Watling has retired so does not count and Conway is not yet proven in India.
    
    Please tell me who the other two are – I will accept Wagner who should have played in this test so that leaves one.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:21pm
    - MCōs
      
      Conway out with a busted hand would have been a better bet than Mitchell & Neil Wagner sitting in the stand retrieving the ball every time Somerville got hit for another six.
      Just because it’s a spinner’s wicket doesn’t mean the spinner’s going to take any wickets.
      
      Too late now.
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:47pm
Tomtoddy

Our extended family takes a week each year in early January to get together at a beach or suitable spot. We go to either Northland or Coromandel.

Earlier on we all booked a spot in Northland. A quick estimate suggests we will spend over $30,000 at this spot including accommodation, food, fuel, etc.

A quick whip around suggests that we do not want to be stopped on the road and vetted by some unqualified, race based group and we may call off the whole deal and head south. Sorry Northland – you will miss out on some badly needed income and suffer late cancellations.
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December 6, 2021 8:55am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Yet they continually whine about neglect ffs!
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457255/covid-19-seeds-of-vaccine-mistrust-sown-by-neglect-of-northland
  
  No named author of course!
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:05am
- quarterpack
  
  I wonder if the staff manning the check points undergo a police check? Or what if any training they are given? As their only means of physically stopping a vehicle from proceeding is by way of road cones and placing their bodies in the path of oncoming traffic, I can see this ending badly.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:22am
  - alex Masterley
    
    According to the fact sheets on the Covid website there is a selection proceess and training for the people manning these checkpoints.
    Cynically I think the fact sheets are just wistful thinking on behalf of the government and training will comprise bloke a giving bloke b a high viz vest and telling him to go to it.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:36pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I have clients in the Hospo business in the North. Bookings are being cancelled left right and centre.
  They are not happy.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:43am
Tony Stuart

I spent yesterday morning at the National Party Lower North Island regional meeting in Palmerston North. It was the best attended December meeting I can remember, and the energy was great. Electorates from around the region are reporting a surge in memberships in the last week.

Nicola Willis gave the keynote address, and was in fine form, attacking the Government’s record on a whole range of issues. Christopher Luxon will reveal his new lineup today, and National will get down to business in the House tomorrow at 2pm as the final two sitting weeks of the year unfold.

The party has a major job ahead of it, and there’s a swag of work to do in 2022 to get the party election-ready for 2023. But there’s a real determination to get stuck in, and change the government.
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December 6, 2021 9:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  Since the Media wont give National any band width, what is the Party going to do to reach all those women who still support Ardern?
  You got no show with Stuff et al. They set the narrative by controlling the message and no one will hear Nationals message.
  So what to do?
  Billboards again?
  Flyer drops?
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:15am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Positive Stuff coverage here:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127150848/national-party-leader-christopher-luxons-climate-credentials
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:14pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yeah, they like the idea of him being for ‘climate change’. Its a narrative Stuff supports.
      Thanks for pointing that out. Proves my point perfectly.
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just pointing out that, contrary to your point, he is in fact being given ‘band width’. You are allowed to admit you are wrong, you know.
        
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        December 6, 2021 2:41pm
- chukar
  
  Love to see a binding manifesto from National.
  Identity politics and half promises does not work for me!
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:22am
  - Reid
    
    Unless they issue one of those, my party vote is going to ACT.
    
    From their performance to date “opposing” this totalitarian takeover, my trust in National actually winding any of it back as opposed to saying they will then doing nothing about it once in office, is between zero and 1% at this point in time.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’d love to see Luxon bite back at the Media if they persist with trying to smear him because he is religious.
    He needs to call them out on it.
    
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    December 6, 2021 11:23am
    - david
      
      Well, he does now have a several prime examples to go at them with in interview.
      One is their pre-occupation with trivia such as the price of haircuts – “I mean who in their right mind would consider that a subject for interviewing their laptop about when you look at my bone-dome?”
      Secondly – their concentration on religion. “I have been waiting for the in-depth reporting on John Hatfield’s … oh I’m sorry …… Hone Harawira’s belief in Taniwha, Maui and who fished up the North Island with a bone hook”
      Thirdly their focus on property ownership. “Might rate a mention once but would some-one please tell me simply and in words of one syllable just what is the point you are trying to make with repeated reference to it.”
      In other words, these snide and undefined attempts at smear need to be turned back on them somehow.
      
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      December 6, 2021 12:38pm
  - curry4me
    
    chukar: That won’t come from Labour Lite. More likely, ACT, or the New Conservatives if they’re still around.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:50pm
- Aunty
  
  Oh, Tony, I’m so sorry to hear that! Spending time in Palmerston North is not a happy moment for anyone. I hope you are alright?
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:39am
Maggie Pie

What would be really interesting, is if the MoH provided the stats on the number of people who have Covid, but don’t actually know they do.

TBH, we’ve got an extremely wide circle of friends, and never met anyone with it yet.

Just saying.
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December 6, 2021 9:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’ll make a reasonable assumption and say you’re not associated with gangs, social housing or recreational drugs. Therefore fuck all risk.
  
  This will probably change over the next few weeks now knock shops, strip bars and Chinese “Massage” parlours are now open. If you partner contracts Kungflu and blames the local New World you’ll know where he has been.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:12am
- MCōs
  
  “TBH, we’ve got an extremely wide circle of friends, and never met anyone with it yet.”
  
  Count yourself lucky you live in NZ.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because everything the Whoreald tells you about what is happening overseas is true. Lol
    
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    December 7, 2021 2:46am
- Sacha
  
  I got a cold last week. Runny nose. On Saturday I had a dry cough. It seems to have gone today.
  It does make you wonder – maybe the Zinc/VitD3/K2 worked.
  Or maybe it was just another spring cold. Or an allergy even.
  Anyway, I haven’t left home for 10 days, and nothing planned for another week, so no need to get worried.
  If I had one of those dodgy PCR tests, it’d probably find a bit of old viral protein in the swab, and then I’d be in the system.
  No thanks.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:11am
  - bronny1
    
    Dammit I can’t even get a sniffle on my vitamin/fitness/healthy lifestyle. Not had one in a few years.
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:29pm
- david
  
  Isn’t it just like finding someone who voted to introduce MMP?
  Hopefully we will have the same phenomenon finding it impossible to find anyone who will admit to voting Labour at the 2020 election.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:42pm
CAKE FACE1

It’s weird to think this Covid farce began about two years ago, and still there is no real sign of the finish line.

Of course, Cindy is trying to drag this “crisis” out as long as she can. One hundred people caught a mild cold today. Hide under your beds!!! It’s absurd.

It is amazing to think that we have wasted $150 billion on what is little more than a flu. It is incredible to appreciate that we have put our lives collectively on hold for two years for what amounts to a hoax.

How long will Cindy draw this nonsense out for? I suppose it simply depends when people have had enough.

CAKE had enough day one of the first lockdown. I could see that it was obvious that the lockdowns weren’t worth it. Yet still we have border controls and masks and the general childishness.

Why has no-one calculated a cost / benefit study? I suspect this hasn’t happened, because the measures are so obviously unjustifiable.

The bald dude should announce that its time to open. He will get abused by the socialists, but so what – there is nothing to lose. The socialists are going to hurl abuse at him anyway.

It is time to move on with our lives. This dystopian nightmare needs to be wound up. Make it so…
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December 6, 2021 9:07am
- solarsailer
  
  Covid, and Ardern’s stage management, got Labour it’s second term and they’re hoping it gets them a third. It’s a cynical style of politics that drums up fear & anxiety to convert it to votes. Although things aren’t looking too good, current polling puts Labour at their first term share of the vote (35% approx). If Covid fades into obscurity, Labour must confront its broken promises on child poverty, housing affordability, not to mention its racially divisive Health and Water reforms.
  
  It parallels the media to, they know that when Covid is done they’re back to declining readership and no more government money.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:41am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  The point is, though, it’s not supposed to ever end. The drawing-out of what is mostly a manufactured crisis is not bug, it’s a feature. “New Normal,” remember?
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:01pm
Littletramp

An interesting comment from anthropologist David Graeber, gives a perspective on who the left in politics now represent (it ain’t the workers).
” they have created a bureaucratic/administrative class in society who the parties on the left now represent.”
“They say you rise according to merit but don’t practice the same because if they promote the performer, that person will then be embarrassing their superior.You rise because of your ability to say that people rise according to merit.”
Does this ring any bells?
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December 6, 2021 9:15am
- Bluegrass
  
  Nomenklatura and apparatchiks…
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:05pm
rjay

This poor kid is not able to have tests because of staffing shortages at Tauranga hospital. The paeds ward there is all but shut down due to staff shortages.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/282553-frustrating-wait-allergy-tests.html
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December 6, 2021 9:16am
- bronny1
  
  gosh, wonder why they have shortages.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Tauranga Hospital nurses are not available so no pediatric staff, because they are paid very much more to be in the Maori Covid system, than normal nursing.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:13pm
Surely Knott

A speech when NZ believed in self determination as a nation, and that compelling someone to accept something dangerous against their wishes was totalitarianism. The principles that Lange stated in his speech are not just about Nuclear weapons they are universal truths.

“”There is no humanity in the logic which holds that my country must be obliged to play host to nuclear weapons because others in the West are playing host to nuclear weapons. That is the logic which refuses to admit that there is any alternative to nuclear weapons, when plainly there is. It is self defeating logic, just as the weapons themselves are self defeating, to compel an ally to accept nuclear weapons against the wishes of that ally is to take the moral position of totalitarianism which allows for no self determination.” David Lange.
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December 6, 2021 9:16am
- Aunty
  
  So in other words, according to Lange, the West can carry the burden and the risk of having nuclear weapons but New Zealand need not. It can simply bludge off those other countries while talking up its self-determined moral superiority to all and sundry – self-determination (a moral superiority) I might add that it can only claim and indulge itself in due to the peace created in the world by those countries who are willing to pay the price of maintaining it by having the said hated nuclear weapons.
  
  That’s rich coming from the King of all pie eaters! Did he dream that one up through one of his doped out food hazes? Mmmmmm, pies………………
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But self determination and individualism are anathema to those who want us to live under collective dictates.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:35am
mawm

I notice there is a lot of love for Jacinda on GD today.
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December 6, 2021 9:18am
Random T Person

Mates of mine packed up and went back to South Africa last week. I am at the point of packing up and leaving too. The future for my kids isn’t looking flash in NZ right now, and who could have imagined being in such a situation when we moved here from SA precisely to have them in a stable democracy with rule of law, equality of opportunity, etc etc. Benedict said he doesn’t recognise the place any more. I haven’t for some time. NZ is completely and utterly fucked, with racism, division, tribal law, economic chaos the order of the day. The withdrawal, sell off and escape starts today. This is untenable.
I’m thinking USA, perhaps. But not sure yet. It would have been Australia, except their jackboots and kowtowing to the indigenous is as galling and absurd as what we have right here.
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December 6, 2021 9:24am
- 0A
  
  Feel precisely the same way having left the same country, for the same reasons.
  
  Where is Minto and the loudhailer crowd these days?
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:09am
  - curry4me
    
    OA: No Israeli tennis players to harrass, so, he’s hung up his megaphone.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:00pm
- Aunty
  
  Bye bye.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:10am
- tf78
  
  Random, if you can hang on for two more years the Nats will be back and sanity will prevail again.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:07am
  - Random T Person
    
    Thanks TF. The real worry is the crazy shit Labour is introducing with its absolute majority – turning the tide on that won’t be easy. Also, civil society is buying into the Maorification of the nation bigtime…in fact, all walks of life are. My wife hates it, so I noted that her email sig ends with ‘Nga mihi’ and she is part of the problem. She realised I was right.
    Anyway – I can’t handle it any longer. Both of us are stressed and unhappy so we have to do something.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:11pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Nga mihi is not a Pakeha sign off. It’s taking the mickey out of us. We do not identify with their pantheon of earth attached spirits.
      I won’t accept any govt dept stuff with that as being official.
      
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      December 6, 2021 6:33pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How do you define ‘we’ Kev?
        
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        December 6, 2021 6:37pm
- mawm
  
  I’m in very much the same position. I wanted to move to Australia as my daughter is there but every state is now run by a wannabe Dan Andrews. There are no anglophone countries that can be called liberal democracies anymore so maybe the search needs to be widened.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:11am
  - Random T Person
    
    I have been considering leftfield options in the 3rd world…SE Asia, etc…
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:32pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’m seriously considering Russia ffs.
    
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    December 7, 2021 2:52am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Make it the USA. South Africa is only going to get worse. A mate of mine is trying to get his daughter and her two kids out of the place after their most recent car-jacking.
  
  Admittedly I’ve not asked him what he thinks of the current situation here in NZ but he’s pretty clued up on his homeland and there’s no way he’s going back.
  
  As for me, I’m here for the duration now, having returned from the US twenty years ago. My kids on the other hand don’t see much of a future here and they have US citizenship. It’s a bit depressing but I can see their point.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    Cheers Tom, nah I won’t go back to SA apart from holidays. And I have a brother who lives in Scottsdale Az, so likely to head there. Kinda like the desert climate, too.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:12pm
- curry4me
  
  Random T Person: What about Tasmania. I think they just elected a Liberal premier. Haven’t heard anything bad about the place at all.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:55pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Just worried about the Australian brand of crazy. Seeing that NT premier Michael Gunner foaming at the mouth over his fascist mandates was downright scary. And Dan Andrews is the same.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:17pm
Bridgenag

Thank you Kiwiblog. Out in the wilderness not social networking only getting second hand emails from lonely people trying to generate some action, it is so good to have a good place to rant and be informed. Especially when there is a dearth of accurate information in previously trusted media. Thank you David and the volunteers.
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December 6, 2021 9:26am
Fletch

Never heard it put this way before, but it’s true –

Since the COVID “vaccines” do not prevent infection or transmission, but only lessen symptoms, they are actually a treatment, not a prevention. And there are far safer and more effective treatments available, including monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin regimens.
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December 6, 2021 9:27am
- Random T Person
  
  Good point; vax isn’t a vax but a prophylaxis.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve been saying this since August. These therapies are really treatment in advance. And now, with one or two emerging side-effects.
  
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  December 6, 2021 9:55am
- Matt Long
  
  Apparently the CDC had to redefine the word pandemic (Away from high mortality rates), and vaccine (From providing immunity to provoking an immune response) to allow for the current Covid strategy.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:34am
- tf78
  
  Fletch, they’re too cheap and too efficient and will remove the much needed narrative of doom!
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:08am
Rich Prick

As Wellington floods, I’m wondering how Mahuta’s tribal elites would respond after 3 waters. Probably a karikia and a dozen hui on full koha. Yep, that’ll fix it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/127194033/manholes-dancing-in-sodden-wellington-as-heavy-rain-hits-lower-north-island
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December 6, 2021 9:30am
Fletch

I see that guitarist and bandleader Santana had to be admitted to hospital four days ago for an “unscheduled heart procedure.” No one is asking if he has been vaccinated. ?
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December 6, 2021 9:35am
slightlyrighty

Is anyone else surprised at the blatant nature of the negative press narrative towards Chris Luxon since he took over the Leadership?

Within hours of his ascension to the top job, we had hit pieces rolling out. Photographers have gone out of their way to picture him in the most unflattering way (The Neon hat pic that has been widely circulated), his past has been mined for dirt (His property portfolio, his work history and relationships with staff, his faith, the Saudi Navy maintenance issue), and he has been investigated and portrayed in ways that Ardern has not been.

We all have had strong suspicions about the bias of the fourth estate, but I cannot remember a time when it has been so open and brazen.

I suspect that they may be over egging the pudding somewhat and showing their bias so openly that it’s becoming impossible to ignore.
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December 6, 2021 9:40am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s decided…. stuff the traffic light system.
He’s going to go with the Roundabout system – respect everyone coming in from the right. Anyone to the left, f**k ’em.

😀 😀 😀
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December 6, 2021 9:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  If they are coming from the left, they’re going the wrong way and will cause a pile up.
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:23am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You obviously don’t know Auckland’s Royal Oak roundabout then RP?
    
    They don’t call it ‘The Wall of Death’ for nothing 😀
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:44pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Watched 2 people on the same day at different times go round the round about the wrong way.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:04pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I have a confession, I’ve done it myself. Admittedly it was in a supermarket parking lot in the US (which is about the only place you’ll find one there).
      
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      December 6, 2021 3:00pm
Handyman

Let’s hope the Omicron virus doesn’t mutate into the common flu which kills about 500 people in New Zealand an (old) normal year.
I prefer to have the asymptomatic variant.
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December 6, 2021 10:27am
MCōs

Tweet that’ll take some beating
https://twitter.com/larsjohanl/status/1467580265669304321?s=21
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December 6, 2021 10:29am
John Pakes

Well, the laugh is indeed on me.
After my extolling the beauties and benefits of the passport system to all, this happened
Yesterday was Colleen’s birthday.
Her and I drove for 30 minutes to our favourite cafe for a slap up lunch.
Waitperson asked for our passports.
Colleen had hers, mine had been left at home.
Waitperson quite correctly said bugger off.
Drove 30 minutes back home where I tried to make good with a cheese toastie.
It did not go down well.
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December 6, 2021 10:37am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  John this will happen more and more until the system collapses.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:36am
  - John Pakes
    
    Why blame the system?
    There is nothing wrong with the system.
    The only thing wrong was my stupidity, ignorance, non-think, whatever.
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:10pm
    - mawm
      
      Choices! Down vote ‘the system’ or up vote ‘stupidity’. Aaargh!
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:16pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Ever considered your last thought might have a wider relevance?
      
      Welcome to the police state of NZ. Always carry your papers and scorn the non-people who can’t. Big Brother is almighty and Knows Best for you.
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:18pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Normally I would agree with your self analysis, however in this instance I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and blame the system.
      
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      December 6, 2021 7:19pm
  - bronny1
    
    Nah they will just microchip is instead so this can’t happen. And in case you forget your wallet we have a two for 1 special….
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I have had to resort to a public revealing of my ancient, fat & flabby mid-riff when I ended up at the local dairy with no mask and improvised one by rustling my T-shirt up over my nose-mouth.
  
  I’ve learnt my lesson and now have numerous masks lying strategically about the house and in the car (catching all manners of dust, viruses, bacteria, spores etc), where I can quickly grab one when I need it.
  
  I’m now keeping copies of the vax pass in the car, in bags, in pockets etc..but still fully expect that somewhere along the line, I’ll forget to have it with me.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:48am
  - lifesgood
    
    The whole mask things is nuts. I have seen people wearing filthy, well used paper masks and I know people who have had the same paper mask for weeks, they openly joke about it. Imagine the germs they harbour.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:19pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well, since masks are useless, having a dirty or well used one makes zero difference anyway. I have the same paper mask I started using a couple of months ago, the elastic attachments are remarkably resilient !
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:00pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      I only have one mask.
      I plan on using it for the entire pandemic.
      
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      December 6, 2021 5:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  You cannot comply your way out of bullshit.
  
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  December 7, 2021 2:57am
Rusty

Lets get this right. A un-vaxxed person can go to a seated cafe or lunch bar/petrol station order a coffee or snack but they have to leave immediately?

What about food courts or coffee stands in malls, a unvaxxed person can’t sit down or purchase at all?

These businesses are struggling already, will they really all turn away customers based on a certificate compliance or ignore it?

What if an covid outbreak occurs in their business by a vaxxed person — they don’t get fined but if a unvaxxed does it they do?
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December 6, 2021 10:41am
- bronny1
  
  My unvaxxed family went out for lunch today. Nobody asked for a passport, apparently the place was really busy. Glad they are doing well.
  
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  December 6, 2021 7:37pm
rangitoto

Richard Dawkins on NZ “Royal” Society.

“Creationism is still bollocks even if it is “Indigenous Ways of Knowing” bollocks. Doubtless of great anthropological and aesthetic interest but not science and not true.

SHAME on the NZ Royal Society.”

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1467151216849260550
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December 6, 2021 10:45am
peterwn

“Burger King staffer yells and swears at deaf man……” At least he did not hear it (but could lip read some of the abuse). Perhaps this general Burger King culture and attitude is partly why all three Burger King outlets in Wellington CBD failed and closed down.
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December 6, 2021 10:56am
westernScientest

Omicrom looking more and more like it will turn out to be a pandemic ender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Paq17X6ucQ
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December 6, 2021 11:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hope it gets into NZ ASAP!
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  But not the end of lock downs? Climate care awaits–ask Cinders what her WEF plans are.
  
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  December 6, 2021 6:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  What pandemic?
  
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  December 7, 2021 3:00am
thirteenstars

Speaking of masks, I had an interesting time at the supermarket a few days ago.

Was in a hurry, got to the door and realised I’d left my phone in the car so couldn’t scan to sign in. Went inside and saw two people at the manual sign-in desk and thought bugger it, and kept on going.

Picked up some tomatoes, a lettuce and a litre of milk from way down the back of the store, and then realised in my hurry I hadn’t put on my mask, which was in my pocket. But with my arms full, I thought, again, bugger it, let’s see if I can get through the checkout and away before anyone says anything.

No worries. Maybe I looked too fearsome to stop. Or maybe folks are just too jaded and apathetic by now to give a damn.

Escape from New World. Sounds like a movie.
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December 6, 2021 11:18am
dime

The press really believe in class warfare.

The herald seem to squeeze Luxons asset register into every article about him.

I dont see, “Jacinda Ardern, who owns a $3 million home in auckland”… “her partner just purchased 150 acres in the south island” etc etc

im not sure the young princesses who hate older people with houses were going to vote national anyway.

Never be embarassed about being a self made man.

Labour should be embarssed by what they have done to the housing market in the last 4 years. they are the reason people made so much money on paper.
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December 6, 2021 11:29am
krazykiwi

Wow. From Celia Farber’s substack 3hrs ago: –

A group called “Public Health and Medical Professional For Transparency Documents” sued the FDA for the release of Pfizer’s documents concerning adverse events from their Covid “vaccine”, which Pfizer fought to have concealed 55 years, but a courageous judge ordered them released anyway.

They wrote on their website:
”Four days after the Pfizer vaccine was approved for ages 16+, we submitted a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for all of the data within Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file. We have now sued the FDA for not releasing the data. Click below for court documents and for productions of Pfizer’s documents from the FDA.”

Link: https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

My God.

In the 90 days following EUA release of the “vaccine” they recorded 1223 deaths, and 158,000 adverse reactions, including fetal deaths, spontaneous abortions and more. They call this, in their encrypted, trans-human Pharma-lingo, the “post marketing experience.” [See link above]

Read Pfizer’s ‘post marketing experience’ for yourself. It’s ghastly.
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December 6, 2021 11:32am
- Fletch
  
  Yah, I saw that on another site this morning as well.
  
  https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-smoking-gun-pfizer-document-exposes-fda-criminal-cover-up-of-vaccine-deaths.html
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This gem from Pfizer’s own mouth
  
  Among adverse event reports received into the Pfizer safety database during the
  cumulative period, only those having a complete workflow cycle in the safety database (meaning they progressed to Distribution or Closed workflow status) are included in the monthly SMSR. This approach prevents the inclusion of cases that are not fully processed hence not accurately reflecting final information. Due to the large numbers of spontaneous adverse event reports received for the product[*], the MAH has prioritised the processing of serious cases, in order to meet expedited regulatory reporting timelines and ensure these reports are available for signal detection and evaluation activity
  
  [*] The product here is, of course, Pfizer’s ‘vaccine’
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:07pm
- mawm
  
  So, if in their first (forced) release they are prepared to expose that number of deaths and adverse reactions, what are they hiding hoping that we’ll be distracted. It must be huge.
  
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  December 6, 2021 2:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Another Pfizer admission:
  
  Pregnancy outcomes for the 270 pregnancies were reported as spontaneous abortion (23), outcome pending (5), premature birth with neonatal death, spontaneous abortion with intrauterine death (2 each), spontaneous abortion with neonatal death, and normal outcome (1 each)
  
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  December 6, 2021 3:28pm
- dannz
  
  That’s actually reassuring, considering there were roughly 200,000,000 doses given in that time.
  
  Adverse events less than 1 in 1000, deaths in less than 1 in 100,000.
  
  We would expect 400,000 out of 200M people to die of usual causes during that time, so it’s basically noise, especially considering the adverse events weren’t necessarily caused by the vaccine.
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:36pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    To be clear, you are asserting 200 million doses were administered in the US between Dec-2020 and Feb-2021? Source please. While you do that, read the Pfizer-withheld report. They claim ‘greater than 2%’ adverse reactions in the 90 day period. That’s the worse adverse vaxx reaction rate by an order of magnitude.
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’m guessing you’re double jabbed and can’t wait for the booster.
    
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    December 7, 2021 3:03am
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I actually didn’t know.
Thought it might be worth sharing with ‘History Buffs’ out there……

‘Maori Chief Te Rauparaha has been described by some as legendary. Many calling him ‘heroic, celebrated, exalted and illustrious’. But most human beings would consider the man a monster.

In fact, Te Rauparaha was responsible for massive Maori depopulation in the decades before the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840. Such was the loss of life caused by him in New Zealand, particularly in the South Island, wiping out entire tribes in many raids.

Some estimates claim the Maori population fell from 20ok in 1800, to fewer than 100k in 1840!!

Proportionally, in world terms of human life lost by one man’s actions, it puts Te Rauparaha on a par with the likes of Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Genghis Khan’

– Paul Verdon (Author & Historian)
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December 6, 2021 11:44am
- Zoomfatigued
  
  Try Shaka Zulu. Genocide for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:08pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The most depressing place I have been to in New Zealand is the site of the Kaiapoi Pa destroyed by Te Rauparaha and his warriors.
  I doubt that Ngai Tahu hold him in high regard.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’ve actually still got a blanket in my glory box from there.
    
    And see where Te Rauparaha had 8 wives!!
    Wonder what his mokopuna are up to these days?
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:41pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      One of my friends is descended from Te Rauparaha.
      Has the lineage framed on his wall. He’s a property developer.
      
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      December 6, 2021 2:46pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Akaroa didn’t do to well from his visit either.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:21pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not to mention the Chathams
      
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      December 6, 2021 7:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I could well be wrong, but I don’t think Te Rauparaha made it to the Chathams.
        
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        December 6, 2021 7:37pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  Thanks Maggie. Yes, I was aware of that. Of course, the James Belich/Vincent O’Malley set will tell you that the deportation was caused by Pakeha-introduced diseases.
  
  And they would be lying. Because that’s what they do.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:23pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Forgive me for not endorsing a sports journalist’s opinion about Te Rauparaha.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:35pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Now, now milky. For a number of years you enthusiastically supported the views of a railway engineer on climate change.
    
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    December 6, 2021 12:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Really? That’s the best you can do?
      
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      December 6, 2021 1:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sorry. I’ll try again.
        
        Would you rank a lowly civil servant’s opinion about military history?
        
        Well, yes. If it was you, milky, I would.
        
        You’re welcome.
        
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        December 6, 2021 4:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Let us know why you think the opinion of the sports journalist is wrong.
    
    https://www.logicalfallacies.org/ad-hominem.html
    
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    December 6, 2021 3:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      With pleasure.
      Firstly, and most importantly. we should not judge historical figures out of context. This view seems to gain wide acceptance on Kiwiblog with respect to pulling down statues, etc. For his time and society, Te Rauparaha did not act outside custom. He was seen as fearsome and terrible by early settlers, etc because of his power – much as we could imagine the black Prince was regarded by the French in the 1360s, say.
      Second, I have already addressed the odd notion that Te Rauparaha was a coward.
      Thirdly – depopulation? Te Rauparaha was a great slaughterer, true, but ‘depopulation’ implies a bit more than winning battles and destroying villages. I don’t think Mr Verdon is making a very good demographic argument there. Even if he were, a failure to place the musket wars in the context of European contact seems to me to be a shortcoming in someone who aspires to be known as an historian.
      We don’t get very far by dividing all historical fugues into goodies and baddies.
      
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      December 6, 2021 6:59pm
      - bronny1
        
        To describe them as a peace loving people seems inconsistent with the facts.
        
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        December 6, 2021 7:48pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Try the Romans when they basically wiped out the Icenii
  
  Then Guillaume le Conquerant who carried out the Harrying of the North after 1066.
  
  Then Oliver Cromwell, The Lord Protector, who had a lovely time committing genocide across Ireland.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:52pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Those were minor compared to the actions of Timur.
    
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    December 6, 2021 3:50pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yup, Tamerlane comes in at no. 1
      
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      December 6, 2021 7:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I always thought the 20th century totalitarians – Hitler, Stalin and Mao were top of the murder stakes.
        
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        December 6, 2021 7:41pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikey, depends by what measure. In absolute terms, Stalin and Mao almost certainly come out top, along with Adolph depending on how you classify the deaths in WW2.
        
        But if you go by the metric of deaths per head of population, then I think that Timur is up there in the lead or close by.
        
        Interestingly and rather unknown because it is not part of our normally studied history, the two largest actual slaughters seem to have been one of the Chinese civil wars in the early part of the first millennium, and the Mughal conquest of India, both of which were said to have actually knocked of a noticeable percentage of the then world’s population.
        
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        December 6, 2021 9:55pm
- david
  
  Please correct me if I have it wrong but wasn’t he also the bloke who hid in a kumara pit under the (flax?) skirt of a “wahine” as described in the haka Ka Mate. The story of a coward who skulked away when threatened and now repeated with gusto by generations of warriors (in their own minds) and written into legal history by being copyrighted to one tribe – Ngati Toa (which presumably has been incorporated to become a legal entity)
  the story must be true because it is part of the unwritten history accepted by the Waitangi Tribunal and in so many settlement claims worth mega-millions.
  Sad but true
  https://www.nzcpr.com/official-author-of-all-blacks-haka-was-a-mass-murderer/
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:06pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So he would presumably join such notable ‘cowards’ from history as:
    Alfred the Great
    Edward IV
    Charles II
    etc, etc
    
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    December 6, 2021 1:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Diversion
      
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      December 6, 2021 3:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Indeed, Kiwiblog is a great diversion from the day’s mundanities.
        
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        December 6, 2021 4:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Mundane’ Tell me the meaning Mike – you should know this, clever boy
        
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        December 6, 2021 4:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Could you not find something a bit more difficult for me to google for you, Steve?
        
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        December 6, 2021 7:18pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Edward II rather than IV I think you mean. Edward IV seems to have been rather prominent in battles and I can’t find a reference to him being considered cowardly.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  That was they way it was. Some would bring it all back to prove their warrior rank.
  
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  December 6, 2021 6:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, this has been a quick turn-around

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127195094/covid19-uturn-on-vaccine-mandate-allows-takeaway-staff-to-be-unvaccinated

Looks like maccas and KFC don’t want to pay out their unvaxxed staff.
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December 6, 2021 11:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  As of yesterday, Advent Health in Florida will no longer require its 83,000 employees to be vaccinated against Covid. Ditto every major hospital system in Cleveland.
  
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  December 6, 2021 11:57am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Batman must be pleased that Florida Governor De Santis is doing such a great job on Covid recovery.
    Very few cases now and the economy is booming.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:51pm
- [email protected]
  
  Too bad for the employees that were already sacked or coerced into getting vaccinated before Friday.
  
  Could have been a disgusting government ploy to get more people vaccinated knowing full well that they would recant later.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:42pm
- Ehlana
  
  Looks like the government didn’t think through the consequences of its choices … again.
  
  And caused unnecessary suffering to New Zealanders as a result … again.
  
  There was a song, long ago, with the line “When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?”.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:50pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Thanks for that. Looks like another brick fell out of the wall.
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Tear down this wall”
    Yup, 2023 in NZ
    
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    December 6, 2021 4:53pm
- Its only I
  
  Considering the age group they employ the numbers must be huge.
  I wonder how a young Jacinda would handle being told to stay away from her chip wrapping job unless she underwent a medical procedure? Especially at this time when young people have been given so many freedoms to make independent decisions about all sorts of things without any input whatsoever by their guardians.
  Infact I wonder how her class mates would handle today’s Jacinda….during a “my body my choice debate”.
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:16pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Government by Idiot has consequences even Stuffed is starting to notice.
  
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  December 6, 2021 2:23pm
surfing

Witnessed a crime today, perp fled the scene, followed them in our car, called 111, they said to file a police report and to tell the victim make an insurance claim.

So, let the fucker get away.
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December 6, 2021 12:08pm
- Fletch
  
  In California now they will not prosecute shoplifters who steal something under the value of $950. You can pick up a big screen TV under that. Just go in and grab one.
  
  Why is shoplifting so rampant? Because state law holds that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor, which means that law enforcement probably won’t bother to investigate, and if they do, prosecutors will let it go.
  
  https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california
  
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  December 6, 2021 1:16pm
  - surfing
    
    California has been ruined by the liberals.
    
    One can only hope that the liberals now fleeing California leave their woke views behind.
    
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    December 6, 2021 4:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You can shoot them though. 18 cents a go, and you only need one.
    Then the defunded Police come out
    
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    December 6, 2021 4:57pm
  - [email protected]
    
    So glad we left the state of California 27 years ago to live in New Zealand. Now New Zealand is turning out to not be the place we liked when we moved here.
    
    The wife and I hope we can help to return New Zealand to the place we loved.
    
    As 70+ year olds we participated in the Whangarei freedom demonstation last weekend for the first time.
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:25pm
    - bronny1
      
      Hopefully you will keep attending!
      
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      December 6, 2021 7:50pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Not just California, read Do the crime . Do the Time for a rundown of the DA’s and CA’s (City attorney’s) in other Democrat-controlled states and cities.
    
    Basically they’ve done the following:
    
    – Reduced thresholds for laying charges.
    – Quality of Life crimes ignored.
    – Gun “Control”.
    – Bail Reform.
    – Dropping charges
    – Releasing prisoners and Reduced Sentences
    
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    December 6, 2021 8:20pm
CAKE FACE1

I was just mulling over the NZ media.

It is obviously dominated in general with young socialist women (think Tova et al).

However, I then tried to picture the media men, but my mind pulled a blank.

Perhaps this is because in “Aotearoa” the socialist media men are generally effeminate and forgettable. There has been a role reversal.

Surrounded by female presenters, these soy sippers become chameleon soothsayers of socialism, where their dripping wetness disguises the fact they are not actually female.

New Marxist ideas see old school men disappear like the dinosaur.

Marxism used to be about pale stale male men advocating bullying and murdering people.

Neo-Marxism is about young urban multi-cultured females advocating bullying and murdering people.

Occasionally, a dripping wet male, effeminate and scared looking, will fearfully nod along with the angry female.

Do women now prefer this new type of man?

Certainly, in the media this is the case. It is curious.
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December 6, 2021 12:20pm
- Paulus
  
  Tova left her old job last week, and is expected somewhere else, maybe.
  Told it may be top Radio NZ job, obviously with power and lots of our dough.
  Watch out other dolly birds she will be on your back.
  
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  December 6, 2021 2:23pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No, she’s got the breakfast gig on Mediaworks’ new-look talk station, starting next year.
    
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    December 6, 2021 2:40pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  Great observations. I wonder if they are falling over their young panties to employ some minorities like males? It’s a strange world we live in. Every industry which has over 50% male has a government drive to Increase females, yet I’ve never seen a single official comment or policy to hire more males. I wonder why there is this double standard?
  
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  December 6, 2021 7:54pm
mikenmildagain

One for the grammar fans, an actual statement from President Donald J. Trump:

“Anybody that doesn’t think there wasn’t massive Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election is either very stupid, or very corrupt!”

In this case I am prepared to consider very stupid and very corrupt as the correct attributes for the people to whom President Trump was referring.
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December 6, 2021 12:23pm
Inandout

Drug addicts are arsholes are they not?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10273065/Heroin-dogs-Kabul-Photos-homeless-addicts-feeding-local-strays-drugs.html
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December 6, 2021 12:31pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6O_8Gz-oCg

Epic Sydney Protest March.

On the 27th of November, hundreds of thousands of pro-choice – anti-discrimination protesters of diverse races and backgrounds gathered together at Sydney Hyde Park, the group voiced their concerns about the outrageous laws regarding mandatory health measures. The Government backed mainstream Australian Media would go on to report that a few thousand “far right white supremist extremists” anti government protesters disrupted Christmas shoppers in Sydney’s CBD by causing streets to be blocked. See for yourself in this excellent clip Filmed and edited by Rami Nguyen, find more of his work here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJcS…
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December 6, 2021 12:33pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Has been disappeared
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:46pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZtsF0alK0

Angering China: US Openly Supporting Taiwan.

Several delegations of US lawmakers have visited Taiwan in recent months. There are rumors that the Biden administration is thinking about changing the name of Taiwan’s unofficial embassy in the US to reflect its true status as an embassy. And several times Joe Biden has said the US would take action if China were to invade Taiwan. This is a departure from previous US policy, which has been strategically ambiguous about Taiwan. In this Just Us episode of China Unscripted, we talk about US-Taiwan relations, US investment in China, and how China has the best democracy. [7:58]
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December 6, 2021 12:34pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, if one digs deeper for this change of direction there appears Joe and Hunter’s Chinese connections. Now if Joe is ready to be sidelined over concerns about his health then logically his son would lose MSM protection for the latter’s Chinese deals. Litle by little we are seeing a roll back on Biden’s actions like the Southern Border chaos and fuel supplies. The establishment is feeling public anger and the mid term elections look a shoe-in for Republicans if this anti Trump madness continues.
  
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  December 6, 2021 12:58pm
curry4me

Inandout: Yes, that could be. Looks like they want uemala, and Mayor Pete in there instead.
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December 6, 2021 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

Can hardly wait now until ‘The Trev’ calls Chris Luxon Matt Doocey.

😀
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December 6, 2021 1:28pm
CAKE FACE1

We’ve hid under our beds for the best part of two years. Huge fear. The wait is over:

“Covid-19: 135 new community cases”

Wow. 135 people caught a cold today.

Have you been the victim of a huge hoax?
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December 6, 2021 1:47pm
Maggie Pie

Ma’s a bit pissed off with Luxo’s reshuffle.
He’s gone and put his ‘Minister-for-Oldies’ in at #25.
She was saying Labors Aisha Verral is #10 in the Cabinet.

Not that it makes much difference…
reckons she’s as useless as Anne Frank’s drum kit.
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December 6, 2021 2:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Liked for the genocide humour.
  
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  December 6, 2021 4:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’ll like this one then milkey… I was saving it for ya 😀
    
    Word Of The Day
    
    IGNORANUS: (adj)
    someone who is both stupid and an arsehole.
    
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    December 6, 2021 4:40pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that, Maggie.
      
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      December 6, 2021 5:40pm
Lee C

There has been a u-turn on vaccine mandates for takeaway employees.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=409126610922812&set=a.101665721668904

Not for nurses or teachers, mind. Takeaway employees.

Imagine the thigh-slapping hilarity those who quit their jobs on principle will experience. Imagine the chuckles as people start to realise they have been played.

This Government is a sick joke. Even more sadly the Oppostion is in open collusion with them.
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December 6, 2021 3:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But they’re only working folk, Lee C.
  
  Not anyone of concern to Our Dear PM or the Labour Party.
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:38pm
- K
  
  Takeaway food, the only industry that the PM has ever worked in. At last proof that she is capable of being genuinely empathetic, rather than just waving her arms empathetically.
  
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  December 6, 2021 6:30pm
rangitoto

I see World Champion Magnus Carlsen looks to be on track to retain his FIDE chess title against challenger Ian Nepomniachtchi. After eight games Carlsen has two wins and six draws.
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December 6, 2021 4:03pm
krazykiwi

Anyone been following the story about the Governor of California? Gavin Newsom disappeared from public view immediately after his booster shot, missed his long cherished Climate Conference because he ‘wanted to spend an Halloween evening with his kids’, and has now vanished with his family to a $29k/night resort in Mexico … right next to a world leading (but illegal in USA) stem cell treatment facility. The word is he has vaxx-induced Guillain-Barré syndrome and he’s secretly seeking treatment … while continuing to push vaccines on Californian kids (except his own, they aren’t vaxxed). Steve Kirsch has been following the story.
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December 6, 2021 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I was aware he’d disappeared… but hadn’t realised he hasn’t appeared back on the scene.
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s because this piece of fake news is several weeks old.
    
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    December 6, 2021 7:03pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      He’s still in Mexico Mikey, his disappearance from public view was a couple of weeks ago, and his only explanation is not at all convincing.
      
      It isn’t “fake news” as such, that is it isn’t obviously made up, but it is certainly unverified at this point.
      
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      December 6, 2021 10:04pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Explain with sources.
      
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      December 7, 2021 3:12am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It doesn’t work like that. The person posting the link to a piece of Substack nonsense has the burden to show that there is any evidence to support the bizarre premise.
        
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        December 7, 2021 6:33am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, this same idiot wants all kiddies jabbed, except for his own brood. And how come these officials skirt around wearing mask in public, this happens worldwide. I mean masks aren’t cool when they can make you look like a monkey.
  
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  December 6, 2021 5:59pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/127198157/waikato-regional-council-chairman-faces-backlash-over-offensive-mori-comments
Councillor speaks truth. Some others cannot see what is before their eyes.
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December 6, 2021 5:35pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis just txt everyone….

‘Auckland City Councilor by the name of Fa’amanana Efiso Collins announces he is running for Mayor 🙁
Important we all show our support for Leo’
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December 6, 2021 5:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone else getting bored watching Our Dear PM reading aloud from the Podium?

She should checkout how C. Luxon can convey information to the News Media without sounding like a boring social studies teacher.
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December 6, 2021 5:53pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  I find her more a patronizing kindergarten teacher. I quite enjoyed social studies….
  
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  December 6, 2021 7:55pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ha ha … spoken like a true Rongotai College science teacher 😉
  
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  December 6, 2021 8:42pm
Tauhei Notts

When was the last time that NZ lost a cricket test match by 373 or more runs?
That wasn’t a game; it was a shame.
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December 6, 2021 6:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is a record losing margin (by runs) for NZ, beating the 358-run loss to South Africa in 2007. On the plus side, it is some way off the all-time record losing margin of 675 runs by which England beat Australia in 1928 (Bradman 18 and 1). Oh, and NZ is world test champion.
  
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  December 6, 2021 7:10pm
cjn

Bridgenag and the Blokes at Bowls wondering how to counsel the granddaughters…first find out why they voted for Ardern in the first place. Then use facts from the failures in that area as your starting point. But if that fails point out that Ardern is a middle aged woman looking for the band of gold that validates her existence on this planet. Step back.
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December 6, 2021 7:43pm
Russ the Muss

I had a ‘debate’ with a Woman talking about us having to push for 50% of females in IT. She couldn’t understand the basic concept of stats. If women wanted to do IT that’s fine, that’s a separate debate around choice. But the concept that big Industries like Education, nursing and retail were 80% Female, and of course STEM fileds and trades 80% male, it’s statistically impossible we get a rough 50% for any industry that is already bias in weighting. I.e. you need to get guys into teaching, HR, nursing etc, in massive numbers to offset the IT roles. Which of course the GOVT won’t push and in any case guys woulnt want to be doing those low paid jobs that don’t interest them. Hard to argue with an idiot that dosnt listen though!
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December 6, 2021 8:03pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Those sort of people never seem to consider that the IT field is open to anyone, and if females wish to enter and make a career, there’s actually nothing stopping them.
  
  So they insist that they have to force people to take up a career that they do not WANT to take up. How insanely stupid is that ?
  
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  December 6, 2021 10:07pm
Takere

Oh well at least we’ll all be entertained with the Altra Right in France, Hungary, Germany, Italy, and the Serb’s fire up again in Europe now that covid is over.
They’ll just carry on from where they were interrupted by covid in 2019, with part 2. The second half of trashing europe.
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December 6, 2021 8:05pm
Alan Wilkinson

The argument that IT needs brains and a grasp of maths and logic would obviously have passed overhead there.
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December 6, 2021 9:22pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Reply was to Russ. It walked somehow.
  
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