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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Truck driver puts Brandon in his place. US becoming the new Cuba.
https://redrightdaily.com/watch-truck-driver-puts-joe-in-his-place-exposes-product-shortages-these-filthy-pigs-have/
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January 4, 2022 8:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Reading that kind of garbage is not going to help you enjoy life, Steve.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Was makes you think it is garbage?
    The guy is having a rant about his trucking business suffering because of Joe Biden.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:16am
    - Simon
      
      NZ msm at its core is mental illness. For eg after 4 plus years of Labo failure it explains all the Labo fluffers.
      
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      January 4, 2022 9:27am
- Local Miller
  
  I fully understand how he feels. I need 3 pieces of wood to repair a deck. 2-3 years ago these would have been easy to get from any of the 3 different suppliers in my area on Auckland’s North Shore. Today, all 3 suppliers are out of stock and have no idea when they will get again. I now have a deck where old timber has been removed, but I can’t replace it because there’s no timber available.
  
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  January 4, 2022 11:33am
  - rouppe
    
    I went to get redwood sleepers from Bunnings. Website said they had them in stock.
    
    Get there. None. All been taken by prior trade orders. Bugger all in any sizes in the whole region. Months to resupply.
    
    Ridiculous.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:48pm
  - GJM
    
    I needed 2 sheets of 12mm treated ply. No stock at mitre10, haven’t had any for weeks and don’t know when it will be in stock.
    No other treated ply either. A couple of bent sheets of 7mm, but nothing else in other sizes or thicknesses.
    
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    January 5, 2022 8:23pm
mandk

I just heard Tony Blair described on GBNews as ‘a turd that will not flush’.

Nice turn of phrase.

What other politicians does it describe?
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January 4, 2022 8:02am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  500k have signed a petition for him to have his KG withdrawn
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:10am
- The Feed
  
  It would be much quicker to make a list of those it doesn’t describe.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:16am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t know about politicians, but the English cricket team could probably nominate some Australian batters.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:33am
- H. Upmann
  
  Probably easier to think of politicians it does NOT describe.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:40am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lefty haters used to describe John Howard ex Aus PM as that.
  
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  January 4, 2022 6:45pm
BarryB

News Years day was a red letter day……..
The European Union announced that it was going to declare that both Nuclear and Gas energy were both GREEN energy. I hope its not a con trick – but its being reported on Reuters , Bloomberg, NY times etc.

Being announced on 1/1/22 I guess they thought no one would notice – and in general the media hasn’t.
I am guessing that the climate gurus got back from COP26 and got out their adding machines and added up all the square kilometers of solar panels and hundreds of windmills and concluded that even if they covered Europe in them and added in the thousands of batterys needed there would not be enough energy (forgetting the cost) to meet the Zero Carbon target they set at COP.

Natural Gas is political in that they get much of it from Russia and they have turned supply off at times and they could sell it to China or India so the EU cant guarantee supply – and thus they HAVE TO HAVE nuclear.

Finally common sense and reality have won through. Praise the Lord and sing Halleluiahs.
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January 4, 2022 8:06am
- artemisia
  
  Sounds like France had plenty of influence on that decision.
  
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  January 4, 2022 10:04am
- oldfella
  
  Barry, can’t wait for the local media to grill James Shaw on this decision to designate nuclear as clean and green. And why we shouldn’t follow the science. /s
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:21pm
  - rouppe
    
    Our nuclear ban wasn’t due to environmental risks of operation.
    
    It was introduced to avoid the risk of Russia or China dropping a nuke on a nuclear armed warship visiting NZ and thus irradiating us with nuclear fallout.
    
    But the narrative has blurred in the intervening years, and now yelling “nuclear free” is as popular as yelling “climate change”.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:52pm
Yvette

“gun-related violence in Auckland”
Time to ‘turn the planes around’ on Australian 501 deportees amid exploding gun violence – National Māori Authority
National Māori Authority chair Matthew Tukaki said in a statement on Monday “these violent thugs and criminals don’t care two hoots about the community”.
“In my mind, there is now only one solution left – turn the planes around and make a point to the Australian government that New Zealand is not the dumping ground for your criminals.”

Do the 501s bring guns with them – carry-off luggage or hidden in any suitcases which Customs have missed? I don’t think so.

So –
Matthew Tukaki said the current Labour Government and previous National Government aren’t to blame for the rise in gun crime.
When it comes to why violence has risen so drastically, Tukaki said the reasons were clear.
“There have been concerns for the last several years that new gangs and chapters are getting a foothold in New Zealand because of the rising tide of returnees known as the 501’s. To be frank we saw it as far back as Waikeria and we are seeing [it] now with an increase in gun-related violence in Auckland.”

Because the guns are already here. Eliot Ness would have figured this out.
Tukaki and Coster might not.
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January 4, 2022 8:07am
- MCōs
  
  How do you know the guns are already here?
  I’m no expert on these things, but I’m guessing that every package, container, ship, plane, whatever isn’t gone over with a fine tooth comb looking for contraband.
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  We know there’s crooks active in strategic positions to facilitate smuggling.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:43am
  - CaptainCompromise
    
    Guns are coming in through two main routes, in parts, and smuggled in on foreign flagged vessels, either being walked out with the crew or offloaded in coastal waters.
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:08am
    - Jack5
      
      Or could they have come from the NZ Army?
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/inquiry-new-zealand-defence-force-lost-1600-automatic-assault-rifle-magazines-has-no-idea-where-they-went/6WO3P3D5QHCQXXZ35CIUPL4NLA/
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:45pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  Still trying to work out why anyone would listen to Matthew Tukaki anyway. His proudest achievement would seem to be lying his way into a plum job in Oz that didn’t end well. I’m all good with Maori at the top of their game sharing their opinions but, seriously, Matthew Tukaki? Who is he, how did he get there and what’s he ever added? Does anyone even in Maoridom actually rate him or he just trying to stay relevant?
  
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  January 4, 2022 3:12pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’ve got a wedding coming up in early Feb. I’m thinking of having Lorde leading the entertainment and getting Peter Gordon in to do the catering.

Does anyone have any idea about what it might cost?
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January 4, 2022 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – at least you would pay the 5grand to the original venue for breach of contract if that occurred through no fault of theirs.
  
  You being an honorable person.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $0 if you are not paying.
  Did you invite the Womans Daze?
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:19am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Or “No Idea”?
    
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    January 4, 2022 12:18pm
- backster
  
  Cost doesn’t matter it can be covered in the Covid response budget no questions permitted except by Tova or Jessica. A DJ will also be required. Vacination documents will need to be scanned and all present will stand 2 metres apart. Masks to be worn except when drinking.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:44am
  - oldfella
    
    Will the bride and groom wear masks? Would it be an improvement?
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:19am
    - C-Town
      
      Most of the time they’ll be without masks but they’ll take a few photos with masks on for the media and and the public. When the cameras are tuned off the masks will come off again. This is how it works with other celebrities.
      
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      January 4, 2022 2:36pm
Souvlaki

So, hers we have it in black and white.
Personal friends of Ardern/ Lord Gayford not prosecuted.
Auckland equestrian/ young lawyer have careers destroyed for less egregious breach of law AND were not infected!!
Ardern MUST be personally asked about this!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-scare-chris-bishop-says-eyebrows-raised-over-call-to-not-prosecute-dj-dimension/TMYHGSOXEJ7JB2EXN5WUMOUFYM/
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January 4, 2022 8:17am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Read between the lines…
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  This is what happens when the cult of personality trumps justice.
  Cause we all want to be friends with the Prime Minister and her cool friends, eh.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:25am
  - Inandout
    
    Gravel, and share their diet as well.
    
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    January 4, 2022 8:42am
  - pdm
    
    No thanks Gravel – I wouldn’t want to be seen dead with them.
    
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    January 4, 2022 8:43am
- NK
  
  I’m not sure the equestrian guy and his girlfriend committed less egregious breaches, however the rest of your point is valid.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:33am
  - jgw739
    
    Equestrian guy? Clarke?
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:53am
- ecco
  
  A complicit, bought out media facilitates this whole corrupt system. My heart goes out to that wanaka couple who were absolutely vilified by Ardern’s media mates in the Ferald and $tuffed for a much lesser infraction than this mate of Gayford’s.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Ask Ardern? Let’s go further than that and have a wide-ranging, worts-n-all, no-holds-barred Royal Commission investigate NZ’s handling of the Covid Pandemic where the Commission’s Terms of Reference are not agreed with the current Govt beforehand.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:38am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, but you must realise that the government sets the terms of reference for a royal commission: that’s how it works. The governor-general cannot set up a royal commission except on the advice of the prime minister.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      I fully realise how it works, but let’s question why it has to be that way. It’s like asking a Fox to investigate missing eggs in the Hen House.
      I realise Parliament is the highest court in the land (since Helen Clark declared the Privvy Council null and void), but how is Parliament to be investigated. If we have to await another election, the moment in time is lost.
      Furthermore, I fail to believe Parliament’s Question Time is where the Govt of the day is held to account, especially when we have the likes of Mallard running defence for the Govt and the PM in particular.
      
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      January 4, 2022 10:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I fully realise how it works, but let’s question why it has to be that way.”
        
        So what exactly is your suggestion. How do you establish a Royal Commission without the agreement of the government?
        
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        January 4, 2022 10:49am
      - Mike
        
        Exactly, Benedict.
        The most one might expect is that the government would consult opposition parties on the ToR.
        As to Nick’s other points:
        The privy council was never in a superior position to parliament.
        We could improve the accountability of our governments. But the core mechanism is universal suffrage. In terms of limiting a government’s power, it’s hard to go past the requirement to maintain the confidence of regularly elecred representatives.
        
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        January 4, 2022 11:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    So how do we have a Royal Commission where the government does not set the terms of reference? Who would write them?
    
    There will be a Royal Commission. But it will need to wait for a change of government.
    
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    January 4, 2022 10:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      Mike @ 1130AM
      Benedict, Mike and cmm.
      FYI, see link and quote.
      
      In 2004, the New Zealand government discontinued the right to appeal to the Privy Council and established the Supreme Court as New Zealand’s highest court. All formal links to the Privy Council were severed from that time.
      
      https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/new-zealand-royal-honours/new-zealand-royal-honours-system/types-new-zealand-royal-honours/privy-councilhttps://dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/new-zealand-royal-honours/new-zealand-royal-honours-system/types-new-zealand-royal-honours/privy-council
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:42pm
- cmm
  
  There is no benefit in her dabbling in this, so it will just be a “police operational matter” that she should not involve herself in.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:17am
  - Nickc2
    
    cmm and Benedict. You are both 100% correct in what you say. What I was trying to portray (even if I did it badly), was to quote JF Kennedy where he said “some people look at things the way they are and ask why. I look at things the way they could and should be and ask why not?”
    Ok, IMO, there’s a couple of things we could do:
    1. Reestablish our links to the Privvy Council (if they’ll have us), or
    2. Give the GG powers (via the Crown) to set up a team of Judges and esteemed Law Professors/Practitioners to establish and means to hold the Govt responsible for their actions in the interests of all peoples of NZ. Such a body would have powers in excess of the Govt and the High/Supreme Court.
    
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    January 4, 2022 12:44pm
    - Cassandra
      
      No, no, no. All very well when you appoint these High Priests, but what happens when it’s a lefty doing it? The f ToW will be paramount. Then try to unravel that. So quadruple NO. Leave it to Parliament. At least you can vote the pricks out.
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:07pm
- Philview
  
  I know there are corrupt double standards going on but I do not believe he had Omicron. He passed a multitude of tests and didn’t infect anyone. It doesn’t add up.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Using PCR for testing does lead to a lot of false positives, and the higher the number of “repeats”, the greater the chance of a FP.
    
    What puzzles me though is that to identify the variant as “omicron” there must have been either a full sequencing (or enough to identify the variant), or possibly NZ is using PCR kits specifically “tuned” to Omicron, which I think exist now – just a bit surprised that NZ has them.
    
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    January 4, 2022 1:11pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    The following seems a reasonable assessment that goes some way to explaining that outcome
    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/616548/
    
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    January 4, 2022 4:37pm
- stewmar
  
  Auckland equestrian/ young lawyer have careers destroyed for less egregious breach of law
  
  Were their careers destroyed? Where has that information been published?
  
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  January 4, 2022 10:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She lost her job as a lawyer in Pukekohe, and his business took a massive hit, PR-wise.
    
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    January 4, 2022 10:38am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Of course, every action has a consequence, so don’t think for a minute I’m defending them. What they did was stupid, entitled and unlawful.
      
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      January 4, 2022 10:39am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        “It’s the law” is not a sufficient condition to dictate our actions. As you know, a bare majority in Parliament can see practically any law whatsoever pass in this country, no matter what its content.
        
        Sometimes, and that was one such case, following the law is immoral, so breaking a law is the necessary action of any decent human being. The entirety of the laws pertaining to Covid are political and nothing more, so it is our collective duty as decent human beings to ignore them.
        
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        January 4, 2022 11:49am
- Yvette
  
  Souvlaki, no – a 2009 settlement agreement between late financier Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre provided a release from liability for “any other person or entity” who could have been a defendant against claims by Ardern, Robert Etheridge, Siouxsie Wiles, Sitting Bull, The Aunties, or Plant and Food Research and University of Auckland.
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:53pm
- curry4me
  
  Souvlaki: Well done, Chris.
  
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  January 4, 2022 5:26pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqa_WdZnX4

The midterms are shaping up to be an absolute disaster for the Democrats, as they’re poised to lose upwards of 80 seats! In this video, we’re going to look at some of the latest projections, we’re going to see how Democrats are already beginning to abandon their sinking ship in droves, and stick with me to the very end of the video when we look at the growing list of Democrat defections to the Republican Party like never before. [10:38. Things are so bad; even Brandon is saying “Let’s go, Brandon.]
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January 4, 2022 8:18am
- Scott
  
  And the Democrat polling is on the back of herculean efforts to protect their leader Joe Biden. The media proclaim he has had a scandal free year.
  This despite the fact that Hunter Biden was dealing in access to Joe Biden while Joe was vice president and who knows if the influence peddling has stopped?
  
  In fact the whole Biden family has benefited financially from Joe’s public “service” to the tune of millions of dollars.
  
  The way the media covered Trump is a lesson compared to the way they cover Biden.
  The media are not interested in truth. They are only interested in advancing their own agenda.
  Jonathan Turley gives the best summation of the Biden scandals –
  https://jonathanturley.org/2022/01/02/a-scandal-free-biden-administration-the-media-celebrates-a-year-of-free-from-political-scandal-and-journalistic-scrutiny/
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:21am
  - curry4me
    
    Scott: You’re right. That’s the other Turley isn’t it. I’ve heard of him. Hopefully, a new Trump led administration will not let any members on MSM shows ecept Fo, and not advertise. Watch them go broke. Go on the new media stuff instead.
    
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    January 4, 2022 5:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Republicans have more than enough RINOs. Keep the ex Dem s out
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:24am
  - Mike
    
    Like prominrnt former Democratic supporter Donald J Trump?
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He left the plantation Mike, did you not know that?
      You do now sonny
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:59pm
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=498652424865952&aggr_v_ids%5B0%5D=498652424865952&notif_id=1641005385301397&notif_t=watch_follower_video&ref=notif

David Seymour on Mandates and other stuff. A lot of ACT voters [me included] were mightily ticked off when they thought DS was meekly going along with whatever Stalinda wanted Covid wise. Here is a clarification that provides some relief.
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January 4, 2022 8:19am
- Surely Knott
  
  From Seymour twitter on mandates “Most are thrilled with mrna technology. We don’t think it’s a giant conspiracy, just an amazing human achievement. What’s more we’re getting a little tired of hearing from a tiny minority about the latest lunacy that they’ve researched from some crackpot or rumble or some second tier website. If you want to go down your rabbit hole fine just leave the rest of us alone”. “When it comes to listening I’m hearing from the people in the real world every day and they don’t agree with you.” “Sorry to tell you all this I’m sure you’ll come around”.
  
  It is not anti”mrna”ers who control the media and have been ramming their position down NZ’s throat every day and forcing everyone not to get jabbed. In Nov. 2020 he said NZ and the world have lost the ability to debate civilly. I would have to agree. The debate has been shut down. And Seymour is not willing to listen or engage in discussion. I wonder how he feels about restaurants being able to ask for your aids or hepatitis status and putting it on a digital pass.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Your analogy is invalid. I don’t agree with vaccine passes. But you can’t catch AIDS from someone in a cafe. And Hepatitis A is a notifiable disease. Infected people are compelled by law to isolate.
    
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    January 4, 2022 10:51am
    - Surely Knott
      
      My analogy is valid. You can catch a life threatening STD from someone you have sex with and it is valid example because it has been through the courts. You can go to Tinder or Rythym and Vines and have casual sex. Do you support tinder being able to ask you to share your medical status. I can imagine that a dating company or festival who said all our customers have been checked and we declare them free of AIDs, HPV, and Hepatitis would be a marketing advantage. As per Jacindas comments people want the assurance other safe people. So can tinder and rythym and vines ask people to pass an STD test and declare it as a marketing feature of their products. Because currently the law says NO in relation to HIV which has been tested in court.
      
      The HIV website says the law is clear that even if you have HIV you have to take “reasonable precautions” during sex and wear a condom. Wearing a condom isn’t fool proof it’s akin to wearing a mask. Wtih HIV the law is you don’t have to tell your partner and certainly not your employer nor a business who cannot discriminate. It is your private information. And you don’t have to tell someone you kiss if you have HIV. That is the law. Has that law changed in light of the way we have treated covid?
      
      Keeping in mind that those who haven’t fully vaccinated do not have covid and those who are vaccinated can and do still regularly catch it.
      
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      January 4, 2022 12:06pm
    - coge
      
      The possession of a vaccine pass, or just signing in does does not preclude one from being infectious. Of anything. All these things amount to an unjustified State mandated segregation. And the cost is that of our freedom.
      
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      January 4, 2022 2:17pm
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Seymour is disgusting. I voted for ACT last time, but Seymour’s snide and arrogant rejection of people with serious and valid concerns means I won’t be fooled a second time. Isn’t this the so-called champion of liberty? Who cares what people’s reasons are – their liberty to choose should be where it begins and ends. If he could formulate any sort of statement that didn’t involve gratuitous insults and non sequiturs, that would be a sign that he hasn’t been corrupted in under two years. I’m not holding my breath though.
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      Seymour stood up – alone – for NZ’s law-abiding, legal firearm owners.
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:47pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      What people with serious and valid concerns?
      
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      January 4, 2022 4:41pm
      - NK
        
        Fair comment. You’re not allowed to have counter views to the Podiums of Truth, lest you’re labeled an anti vaxxer, conspiracy nutcase, weirdo or just abused and shut down and if you’re unlucky enough, have posts removed from social media and your comments censored, and censured.
        
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        January 4, 2022 6:39pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Of course you can have counter views. However if you don’t want hostile reactions better make sure you are not just repeating the usual anti vaxxer, conspiracy nutcase, weirdo misinformation which unfortunately what is put forward in the vast majority of cases.
        
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        January 5, 2022 9:00am
    - Observer of Life
      
      I have to say, Seymour’s comments are very disappointing. So people (including myself) have been sending him various points of view that are different to what the government and MSM are pushing. I seriously thought they would have a couple of people set aside looking at the alternative info/research to ensure they have a balanced view on what is being discovered, as time ticks on. But no, it appears we’re all just anti-vaxx nutters. I now have a very different view of ACT … not such a liberal thinking group after all, so I will no longer be donating my hard earned money.
      
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      January 4, 2022 5:37pm
  - Inandout
    
    SK, might pay to wade your way through this Health Dept ruling on notifiable diseases.
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/notifiable-diseases/summary-infectious-disease-management-under-health-act-1956#specific
    
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    January 4, 2022 1:35pm
  - curry4me
    
    Surely Knott: It’d be interesting to see if a new party arises from the Groundswell-Freedom and Rights crowd. I don’t think they’d have any trouble getting 500 members.
    
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    January 4, 2022 5:35pm
kevn

Like a cult.
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January 4, 2022 8:26am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Braille Day!
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January 4, 2022 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did not see that coming
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:25am
  - Bigted
    
    You’re out of touch…
    
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    January 4, 2022 10:10am
    - greybeard
      
      Yeah, come on mate, join the dots.
      
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      January 4, 2022 10:45am
      - Mike
        
        I did not see all those puns coming
        
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        January 4, 2022 11:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Seriously, I understand Braille is losing some ground to the swathe of text-to-speech software and devices.
        
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        January 4, 2022 1:13pm
ClanMcleod

There must be some awkward questions being asked in a few households around Auckland.

“All patrons of an Auckland brothel have been told to isolate after several people connected to the business tested positive for Covid-19.

Six people linked ………have tested positive for Covid-19….
Health officials revealed there had been several exposure events at the massage parlour and escort agency…….”

“exposure event” – I’ve heard it called many things but that’s a new one!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-patrons-of-auckland-brothel-pelican-club-told-to-isolate-after-six-people-test-positive/77CTD35YDJECYRNMN2C7MLXERQ/

Why are you self isolating? Why are you going to the chemist again? Oh dear.
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January 4, 2022 8:38am
- David Garrett
  
  Clan: Quite so…all sorts of new euphemisms for a shag come to mind: “intimate encounter”; “close personal interaction”; “interpersonal event”…
  
  Who can come up with some more?
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:33am
  - Keith White
    
    Dancing the horizontal gavotte.
    Engaging the slippery friction of mucous membranes.
    Making the beast with two backs.
    Etc.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    DG in a similar vein, change of language in media re what are surely the inevitable drownings in NZ, an island nation every year, now called “water incidents”? I am not sure what the logic is for this. It seems to be uniform through all media outlets. Who decided to change it and why? Do we have a government department responsible for changing how we communicate? A Department of “newspeak” possibly? Weird.
    
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    January 4, 2022 9:56am
    - oldfella
      
      Talking of ‘water incidents’, on the news last night some local politician was outraged by people who ignored a Maori ‘rahui’ placed on the scene of a drowning.
      A rahui has no legal standing, and if you’re not Maori…
      
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      January 4, 2022 11:32am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Yet more of our money wasted on giving cyclists the opportunity to enjoy their hobby.

Not long ago, $150,000,000 used to be thought of as a LOT of money.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127427327/nz-govt-to-spend-150m-on-abandoned-auckland-bike-bridge-alternative-crossing-options
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January 4, 2022 8:50am
- [email protected]
  
  I expect the final cost to be higher … much higher.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:16am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They are just insanely wasteful. Less than a million a year would pay for a 24hour a day free bike carrying bus to continuously circulate back and forth over the bridge.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Arrogant pricks. Plod knew this would happen. They should have had reinforcements and trespassed all of them.
  As for the dollars, when is socialist Govt going to stop wasting Taxpayer’s money?
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Never, as Socialists like spending other people’s money.
    
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    January 4, 2022 2:29pm
- nathie
  
  But didn’t the kind and caring Labour Government also cancel pay rises for Police, Defence Force staff, and tried to do the same for Nurses (which back-fired on the govt) …. because the funding isn’t there?
  
  Well no wonder the funding isn’t there, it’s been diverted to Green-type pet projects!
  
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  January 4, 2022 11:36am
- jgw739
  
  Does this include the millions spent on consultants for said cancelled bridge?
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:03pm
Reid

US life ins coy says deaths are up 40% from pre-covid levels.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers in the state.

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of…”

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html
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January 4, 2022 9:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Interesting. Is there information about co-morbidity also?
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:49pm
  - Reid
    
    It’s what Bannon calls signal not noise.
    
    No mention of that data but I’m pretty sure they will have it together with vax status.
    
    This is precisely what the medical specialists I have been listening to for the last two years have been predicting.
    
    They have been saying the vax affects people’s immune system functions which leads to explosions of latent virus infections including cancer. This is these surfacing.
    
    You have immediate reactions then you have longer term ones and these get worse with every booster.
    
    I am not making this up myself, simply repeating what experts like Malone, McCullough, VandenBosch and others have been saying. They’re all over the web, if you can’t find them yourself it’s because you don’t want to.
    
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    January 4, 2022 1:14pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Anyone can find this stuff. Only a few are drawn into the cult of antivaxx by it though.
      No way more deaths could be due to the virus, it must be the vaccine.
      
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      January 4, 2022 4:46pm
    - Reid
      
      Here’s a Wgtn health practitioner with his experience of what I am saying above.
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/gDoyx1cJ2sqb/
      
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      January 4, 2022 6:40pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        He may or may not be seeing something significant. But take a few seconds to look at his blog and hey presto – wall-to-wall antivaxxer fearporn. He is disingenuous enough to claim to not be an antivaxxer in the video so the rest I will take on advisement.
        
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        January 5, 2022 9:32am
- [email protected]
  
  Vaccines?
  
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  January 4, 2022 1:06pm
Surely Knott

Once again brothels and strip clubs are in the news as covid hotspots. Pelican club, femme fatale, mermaids and a club in Nelson are places of interest with one club linked to 6 infected people. The article doesn’t say whether the infected are workers or customers or whether they are vaccinated.

So are vax passes required at strip clubs? Jacinda said in an interview there was no specific advise in the framework for the sex industry but surely this is a close contact industry (like hairdressers) and public areas would follow bar, nightclub type rules.

I checked the websites and no covid restrictions or vaxx passports are mentioned for any of the establishments.

But currently in Auckland, families and young people can’t visit the Mountain bike park, the hairdressers, a restaurant or bar (indoors or outdoors) , a nail salon, go on a kayak or horse riding tour, go to a doc campground, an outdoor market, an outdoor sculpture walk, or a gym without a pass. Yet none of these have ever been linked to outbreaks.

And for the MMA gym which is members only who hadn’t checked passports they have copped a $12k fine a day. As did a vegan restaurant. Despite neither place linked to an outbreak.

So why aren’t media asking the questions of the brothels that they ask of craft markets.
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January 4, 2022 9:17am
lazza

Good “points” Team KB

The points about Ardern’s retinue. It is a cult based on personality, celebrity and big noter associations.

All supported by a media that in general is able to handle “celebrity-PR-BS stuff” but is totally ill equipped to deal informatively and intelligently with real public affairs and polices … that matter.
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January 4, 2022 9:25am
Scooter

Ultimately we need to know when the border will open, the Govt needs to be honest and say if it will open this year. We’ve had covid for 2 years now so they must have some plan or expectation?
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January 4, 2022 9:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I agree. Ministers and officials should be sorting out the border opening now. I have not seen a peep from jacinda since 20 January. In contrast Scomo in Australia is available to the media daily having cancelled his holiday.
  
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  January 4, 2022 10:13am
  - oldfella
    
    Yes, Benedict, but Scomo is not trying to organise the Wedding of the Year. Do you really expect Cindy to delay her big day just to support her team of five million?
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:37am
  - Stu2
    
    They will be waiting to see what impact Omicron has on the health system.
    
    NSW has just set a new hospitalisation record and the pressure is growing. Their ambulance callouts are already slower than normal due to the covid load, with daily cases still increasing
    
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    January 4, 2022 12:40pm
    - Julie
      
      In hospital WITH covid not because of it, a big difference. You have a car accident, get badly injured and end up in ICU and then test positive you are still counted as a covid patient in ICU!
      Our media not keen on pointing out the difference.
      Yes some are in hospital because of covid but mainly very elderly or unvaccinated with co mobidities which make them high risk for any virus or flu.
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:30pm
      - Stu2
        
        Yes
        But they are still patients that need isolation from non-covid patients, which must be resource intensive.
        
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        January 4, 2022 2:25pm
      - NK
        
        Hang on, what’s the vaccine for?
        
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        January 4, 2022 7:03pm
  - david
    
    I think you refer to 20 December Benedict
    
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    January 4, 2022 12:49pm
- cmm
  
  While they can keep the numbers low they will keep pushing the eliminade policy.
  
  The only hope for this to end is for Omicron to come along and do its thing.
  
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  January 4, 2022 10:22am
  - Inandout
    
    cmm, then a 92 year old with heart, lung and blood pressure problems catches Omicron…and dies. Lockdowns!!
    
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    January 4, 2022 12:49pm
    - PeeJay
      
      This fear is what drives them.
      
      I don’t believe they are Machiavellian and pushing a communist dictatorship or a NWO by stealth – i think they are just completely out of their depth.
      
      They react to events as planning and delivery are clearly not their ‘thing’ – so many failures to list as evidence in support of this!
      
      This reactive behaviour results in them looking back to the good old days of when lockdowns ‘worked’ and this is their one arrow in the quiver – they think it worked because they are brilliant, when in reality our low population density and geographical isolation combined with border closures probably had more bearing on our low case load. The fear of a wave of deaths will cause them to react badly when omicron finally gets going. After the wedding though!
      
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      January 4, 2022 1:08pm
Tauhei Notts

Some pleasantness.
What a treasure RNZ National is when they get right away from woke bullshit and Covid crap. It is rare, but it is lovely.
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January 4, 2022 9:38am
- Philview
  
  I don’t like a lot of it but still have it as background noise and pick up some good stuff. I do fear the media merger will kill off the good stuff. Unlike TVNZ news reports, RNZ does delve deeply into topics and enables me to gain an understanding of what is going on in the country.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:50am
  - Jack5
    
    The power struggle begins among the Ardern apparatchiks …
    
    Who’s going to be top dog in the merged State TV- State TV arm of the media monopoly Ardern is building alongside her subsidised newspapers?
    
    Who will be head honchos: folk from RNZ or from TVNZ?
    
    I disagree on RNZ with the 9.38 post of Tauhei Notts, whom I usually am in line with.
    
    Tauhei’s stumbled on a miniscule nugget or two in a well-prospected river.
    
    Radio New Zealand, often aptly nicknamed Red Radio, is markedly biased to the Left.
    
    Since Wily Willie Jackson effectively merged RNZ with the State-supported tribal radio network, RNZ is a leader in forcing Maori language on all.
    
    RNZ is knee deep in in Ardern’s State subsidies to newspapers, as a participant and and as administrative helper. It’s a keystone in the Ardern Media Monopoly Project.
    
    When comes to little gold nuggets in the audio gravel, let’s not forget RNZ unsuccessfully tried to axe its least-Woke part, the Concert Programme. It planned to replace it with some sort of hip-hop level service aimed at young Maori and young Pacific Islanders.
    
    What position will National and ACT take on the emerging Ardern media monopoly?
    
    Do we need a State radio service aimed at New Zealanders? Do we need State TV? Do we need State-subsidised newspapers?
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:59am
- Inandout
  
  TN, I can’t believe they aren’t required to play covid ads…get double jabbed..get boosted..speak with us if you are hesitant..speak to us if you are feeling stressed..think of your mokopuna..
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:47pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    Eer, RNZ doesn’t have ads.
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:19pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Lovely to have Lloyd fill in on the night program
  
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  January 4, 2022 1:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Taxpayer’s Union are posting a lot on FB about ‘stop 3 waters’ signs going up all over NZ.
Does anyone know how to buy one of these?
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January 4, 2022 9:42am
- Observer of Life
  
  SteveO: I bought my 2 signs direct from the Taxpayers Union. They were pretty cheap.
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All I can find is tees, mugs, stickers etc
    
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    January 4, 2022 2:05pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      It was a special fundraising/distribution campaign sent out pre Christmas to get the signs up and out for the holidays.
      
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      January 4, 2022 6:27pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    SteveO: Email: [email protected]
    Annabel was the lady that got in touch with me to advise a delay in delivery.
    
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    January 4, 2022 5:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just seen a photo on FB of a couple kissing after a marriage proposal. Both had masks on.
This means one thing – 2022 is going to be even stupider than last year
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January 4, 2022 9:47am
- Philview
  
  I suspect NZ will be in Covid mode long after the rest of the world has moved on. I live in a City that has never had a Covid case but the amount of people you see walking down the street or driving cars masked up.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:57am
  - PeeJay
    
    My personal favourite are those you see driving alone in a car with a mask on. Absolutely terrified. Actually quite sad to see really.
    
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    January 4, 2022 1:00pm
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Or it may be a short trip between places requiring masks, as happens for me, and why bother taking off?
      
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      January 4, 2022 6:28pm
    - kevn
      
      @PeeJay…. or cycling with a mask on with no helmet.
      
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      January 4, 2022 6:35pm
    - Spenditb4theytaxit
      
      I saw a guy pull his mask off to take a drag on his smoke!
      
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      January 4, 2022 10:05pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Hopefully they don’t breed and produce another generation of idiots.
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Too late, the marxist schoolteachers are programing them now
    
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    January 4, 2022 2:07pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, and the mind boggles at the thought of consummation, especially if a condom is also required. No, I will leave out the wooden leg.
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:43pm
TT500

Has anyone else grown tired of these plural nouns?

Universties
Professors
Experts
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January 4, 2022 9:57am
Maggie Pie

KIA ORA, AOTEAROA

– STUFF
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January 4, 2022 10:20am
- graham
  
  Gidday New Zealand
  
  – Normal people
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, will you call your Auckland “Akarana” or “Tāmaki-makau-rau”? Give us a lead …
  
  Will “Queen City” (haven’t heard that for a while) become “takatāpui tāone”?
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Queen Street’ will certainly be renamed. Get Phool Goof onto it
    
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    January 4, 2022 2:09pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yeah – to ‘Queer’ street.
      
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      January 4, 2022 5:26pm
      - RichardX
        
        Nothing like a bit of casual homophobia to show your true colours.
        
        It reminds me of the joke you posted comparing a samoan to a gorilla.
        
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        January 4, 2022 5:28pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        RchardX
        You’ve either got the wrong person, or a faulty memory.
        “Casual homophobia” ??? What’s that ?
        Even homosexuals/trannies etc. call themselves ‘queer’.
        You have a problem, sunshine.
        
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        January 4, 2022 9:07pm
      - RichardX
        
        Let me refresh your memory.
        
        You are just as bigoted for using “queer” and referring to “trannies” as you are for thinking it is humorous to compare gorillas and Samoans.
        
        Don Beckett
        A Samoan walks into a bar with a gorrilla on his shoulders.
        Th barman asks, ” where did you get the gorilla?”
        The Samoan replied, “From the jungle.”
        The barman said, ” I’m not talking to you !!”
        
        APRIL 17, 2021 7:51PM
        
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        January 4, 2022 11:31pm
Maggie Pie

WELCOME to ‘COSTER’S WORLD’

Cop with 21 years loyal service, to be terminated thanks to vaxx mandate…..(watch on FB)

https://twitter.com/ZeitgeistNZ/status/1478079088250130432
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January 4, 2022 10:50am
- [email protected]
  
  Thanks for sharing. Nurses, doctors, police and others treated like dirt. We need many more stories like this.
  
  I got kicked out of a Japanese restaurant in Whangarei for trying to pick up and pay for some take-away. Not nearly as bad as losing your job but still made me angry.
  
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  January 4, 2022 12:55pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    If only there was a quick and easy solution.
    
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    January 4, 2022 11:22pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Not plebs deciding his fate but the clown circus forcing it.
  
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  January 4, 2022 6:40pm
Flossie

Seen around Hamilton.
Large seasonal wishes billboards from MP Dr Gaurav Sharma, complete with Labour party logos.
Do other areas have similar from their MPs?
And of course the big question…who is paying?!
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January 4, 2022 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who is paying? You and I are. Labour pay for nothing – nothing
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally someone realises MIQ hotels are incubators of Covid virus.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459020/us-study-finds-airborne-transmission-as-likely-cause-of-miq-covid-19-spread
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January 4, 2022 12:32pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

A large group of Canadian physicians has published a critique of Pfizer’s vaccine testing. There is a whole lot that is wrong. https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf
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January 4, 2022 12:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot going on there. I dumped the link on Facebook.
  Wait and see if it gets fact checked as a test
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:15pm
- Fletch
  
  There’s a useful video that goes along with it –
  
  https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html
  
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  January 4, 2022 3:22pm
Fletch

Doing the rounds – description of a Zoom call by Auckland lawyer Liz Lambert, who says these govt mandates are pretty much ILLEGAL.

(1) The COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020 was purposely never gazetted (in Liz’s opinion, to stop the NZ Government from being liable for wrecking the economy, killing people, causing suicide, euthanasia, etc). This means that the Act itself and everything which has happened under that Act is illegal, including the mandates (which Liz thinks will be gone early in the New Year). Also, legislation cannot be retrospectively gazzetted, which means actions taken in the past under the Act (orders, mandates, etc) cannot be made valid retrospectively.

eg, fines imposed for breaching orders or mandates (e.g. the $12,000 fine imposed by WorkSafe on Oliver’s Gym) are unenforceable, businesses no longer have to comply or be running scared of fines and censure, the Police have no authority to act under the legislation, etc.

(2) It is a principle of law that legislation cannot have restrospective effect. This has also been specifically declared in section 12 of the Legislation Act 2019. This means that the medical exemptions obtained by thousands of people under clause 7A of the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021, before that order was changed at 11:59 pm on 7th November 2021, are still valid and cannot be invalidated.
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January 4, 2022 12:59pm
Rusty

The pink haired one and the false modeller one have received threats and abuse according to the herald.

Why is it only the lefty/woke/pro-vax people who get news coverage on this?
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January 4, 2022 1:28pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Because it suits the narrative.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:08pm
I remember when

Have been talking to a crew member for one of the hot rods that competed at Masterton.
He said the reading for the asphalt was 97 degrees.
Drivers were having to be pulled from their cars at the end of their runs.
A number passed out.
No the EV wasn’t a winner.
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January 4, 2022 1:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cook the man some eggs ….
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:21pm
Jack5

Will this mean electricity problems for the North Island?

Indonesia has banned export of coal in January to stabilise supply for its power generation.

New Zealand has been importing about a million tons of Indonesian coal a year for power generation, while NZ’s own ample coalfields have mostly been allowed to die.

NZ also imports a smaller amount of coal from Australia.

Indonesia’s month-long halt is needed to prevent shutdowns at about 20 power plants in Java, Madura, Bali and other regions.
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January 4, 2022 1:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  Aren’t we fortunate our Govt and its Ministers of Trade, Energy and Foreign Affairs are all on top of this. With such talent, we have nothing to fear eh?
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, all those EVs requiring a power booster, and UNLESS we use NZ coal. Mmm, tricky.
  
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  January 4, 2022 3:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will Pelosi retire after the 2022 mid terms?
Will she retire to her home State, down in tent city San Fran?
Or is her power madness going to go on?
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/rumors-abound-will-nancy-pelosi-retire-after-2022-midterm-election/?
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January 4, 2022 1:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  Who cares? She’s well past her use-by date anyway. The only reason she’s still there is because the Dems don’t want AoC to take her place.
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:12pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, Pelosi speaks like a robot with intermittent power failures. For tearing up Trump’s speech there may be such a thing as karma.
  
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  January 4, 2022 3:34pm
I remember when

Should the Australian covid data be considered when deciding whether to vaccinate children, especially 5-11 age group in January.
Total number of covid infections on the Australian MOH site for 0-19 age groups is 100,000.
These are the third and fourth ranking age groups for Australian covid cases.
Deaths to date 2 for 0-9, and same for the 10-19 age group. Two were stated to have severe co-morbidities and the 2 year old has been referred to the coroner. The remaining 10-19 year old I am uncertain about.
16/12/21: Pfizer suspected Myocarditis cases (12-17 age group) is 168.
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January 4, 2022 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

BLOOMBERG REPORTS

‘Chynna is running out of water’

Chinese Minister-for-Water says…..
“We must fight for every drop of water – or die”

What could this mean New Zealand?

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1477879726819606530
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January 4, 2022 1:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is Mahuta going to make a deal with China?
  Would not surprise me one bit
  
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  January 4, 2022 1:56pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Is China about to take out a 99-year lease on our yet-to-be-established 3 Waters entity?
    Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. This will be a deal between NZ Maori (the owner) and China. Fuck the rest of us NZers!
    How will that be Phil Goff? You will have to negotiate with Maori and China for more water for Akld. Perhaps you were forewarned about this Phil, eh?
    
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    January 4, 2022 2:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, the Chinese may mistake ‘3 Waters’ for ‘3 Daughters”. Having three daughters in China would be catastrophic, but having three sons…ah, the little emperors.
    
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    January 4, 2022 3:39pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The main reason that the PRC wants to hold on to Tibet is because they will then control the water for ALL of Asia as far West as Pakistan!!!!
  
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  January 4, 2022 2:11pm
ecco

Have you seen the article on ‘Power Couples’ in the Ferald, featuring, of course Ardern and Gayford. Give me a break ?.

Has been running front and centre on that website for several days now. What about Luxon and his wife? They are pretty high flying too.
But not listed there. Can only be another paid Labour party informercial actually pumping Ardern as a celebrity. Wouldn’t even be surprised if it wasn’t even paid for. The editor probably just ran it as a favour for all the covid messaging business placed with the Ferald this year…
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January 4, 2022 1:55pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Saw that headline and added it to the reasons not to subscribe. Vile.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:45pm
geodon

Apparently the Covid Response Act was never gazetted. Any lawyers able to chime in on the relevance of this?
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January 4, 2022 2:21pm
Jack5

In one of the great recent fraud trials, Elizabeth Holmes, founder of the American medical company Theranos, has been found guillty on four counts.

Three of these charges were of committing wire fraud, and the fourth was conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

Holmes raised money from leading business people including Henry Kissinger, Geoge Shultz, and retired Marine Corps general, Jim Mattis. and three people who would become Presidential officials. Other investors included Rupert Murdoch and the Waltons, owner of Walmart and America’s richest family.

Holmes’s venture allegedly was pioneering a new and simpler way of testing blood.
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January 4, 2022 2:25pm
CAKE FACE1

How many “Aotearoans” have died of Rona so far?

51 “Aotearoans” have died “WITH” Covid, but how many “FROM” Covid alone?

Most of the 51 people were in a dementia ward or retirement village, and apparently only had a few months left to live, at the most.

How many of these 51 people would have been alive in one years’ time, if they hadn’t catched “Deadly Delta” et al?

Certainly, the guy shot in his driveway would be dead, irrespective of the fact that he died with Covid.

By the balance of probabilities, from what I’ve heard about these people and their co-morbidities, approximately none of them died of Covid. Most were in their 80s or 90s. They were waiting for God, Rona or not.

We have shut down the country for two years for a flu that I suspect hasn’t actually killed anyone, or at most a few people.

Is this a cruel hoax?
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January 4, 2022 2:47pm
- [email protected]
  
  So true. This is the reason I am the hold out in the family to not get the vaccine until a real one comes around. At least my kids have decided that they won’t vaccinated their 5 year old twins.
  
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  January 4, 2022 7:29pm
Maggie Pie

And just how F*****D is this?

Always been a yuge fan of…. ‘AUNT JEMIMA’ Maple Syrup

Following complaints from the BLM brigade…name changed to:

‘PEARL MILLING COMPANY’

(Lucky I’ve still got the old squeezie bottle from last time. Will just keep transferring the contents from the new one.)
Easy as.
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January 4, 2022 2:51pm
lazza

Yoh ecco

You said …

“Wouldn’t even be surprised if it wasn’t even paid for. The editor probably just ran it as a favour for all the covid messaging business placed with the Ferald this year…”

Errr .. quite so.

Best tip/bit of public policy analysis methodology advice I ever received was …

“Follow da dollar!”

… such as Arderns/ ummints $$$’s handed over for “all the covid messaging business”.

This I would estimate at well over $100 M … so far.

(A Taxpayers Union enquiry project???)

This present socialist government has broken new ground with what can only be labelled …

… “Corruption”
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January 4, 2022 2:53pm
Fletch

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. doesn’t hold back when it comes to the jabbing of kids –

“Every power that government acquires using this pandemic as a pretense, it will ultimately abuse to the maximum effect possible and this is just a rule that is certain as gravity. Nobody has ever complied their way out of totalitarianism. Every time you comply, the demands will get greater and greater. We need to resolve here and now. This is the hill that we need to die on.

They have come for our jobs. They have come for our transport. Now they are coming for our children, and we have an obligation as parents to protect them. There has never been a government in history that has told its people, ‘We are going to demand that children sacrifice themselves and take risks to save old people.’ It’s always the other way around. The old, the mature, the adult, always put themselves at risk to protect their children.

This is an ethical issue. It’s a moral issue. It’s an issue of character for each of us. And it’s an issue of the preservation of democracy and public health. We all need to stand up now and do everything that we can to block these powerplays by authoritarian powers within our society that are trying to steal from us, the health of our children.

https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1477735797994491910
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January 4, 2022 3:01pm
Fletch

A dishonest headline from the media, saying that that the cases in NSW have reached 500,000. You have to read the article for the magic qualifier, “since the pandemic began. ” As an Australian says in the comments on Facebook –

That’s a little misleading. Over here in Australia our total cases since the start or the pandemic are only 499,987 according to worldometers.
Our current active cases are 225,649.
I suspect this article is more fearmongering.
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ACTIVE CASES: 225,649
225,479 (99.9%) in Mild Condition
170 (0.1%) Serious or Critical
CLOSED CASES: 274,338
272,072 (99.2%) Recovered / Discharged
2,266 (0.8%) Deaths

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/04/australias-covid-19-cases-pass-500k-as-infections-surge/

And another Ozzie says that cases aren’t “surging”, they are barely moving.

But there must be an emergency for EUA.
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January 4, 2022 3:15pm
greybeard

Come on Bangladesh !
Put these uppity Black Caps in their place.
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January 4, 2022 4:31pm
greybeard

Walking the dog through Ngaio and Crofton downs today, passed two separate young people wearing masks, outside, at 7:30am.
WTF is wrong with this place ?
Have some people lost their bloody minds?
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January 4, 2022 4:43pm
- Inandout
  
  grey, Wellington is the heart of the public service and Jacinda will be obeyed.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:31pm
- fernglas
  
  Perhaps people should have the freedom to wear masks if they wish?
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:50pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Fern: Maybe. But are they only wearing them because of the fear mongering by this useless government and there main stream media lackies?
    
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    January 4, 2022 10:08pm
Reid

For those who follow US politics, this is a significant move, given Nunes’ background.

Nunes stands down from Congress to become CEO of Trump’s new media group.

https://t.me/BrittRepublican/8933
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January 4, 2022 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

Just in from the pool and got abused for smearing Coconut Oil all over my partner’s office chair 🙁

But thort this worth sharing anyway…..
‘Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern visits ‘Kainga Ora’ home in Richmond, during Nelson retreat’ (see Video)

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1478174228121669632
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January 4, 2022 5:12pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… The labour gang, if she fronted at our place I wouldn’t open the door.
  
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  January 4, 2022 6:44pm
Pharmachick

Hello KBers, today’s contribution is not a person, it is a very important scheme to improve NZ/Germany relations through Scientific Collaborations.

The diversity of projects supported include such efforts as robotics, marine coastal environments and migration/immigration dynamics. Partly supported by the Goethe societies of NZ and Germany, as well as the respective governments, there are several opportunities for post graduate student scholarships, internship and joint research grants. I’m not sure the average NZ academic is aware… hopefully amplifying a little.

https://www.goethe.de/ins/nz/en/kul/sup/lla/wwo/21164082.html
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January 4, 2022 5:16pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Excess deaths in NZ, Aus and USA through 2020 and 2021: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=NZL~AUS~USA

Why was there a 5-10% increase in NZ and Aus during the winter months of 2021 compared to 2020? What had changed other than that vaccination of high risk coffin-dodging individuals (mostly elderly) was underway Mar-Aug 2021? We still had a very low flu and cold incidence through winter ’21

This data is not split up by age, so the elderly will dominate the data (ie in our winter 21 vaccination period), but there are a lot of recent reports of huge excess deaths in working age adults eg 40% in indiana during 2021 that are explicitly not covid-pneumonia but myriad other health problems that are so far from the norm that they can only present some huge unknown killer (post covid damage or vax damage?):
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/unprecedented-deaths-in-indiana-for/comments

The magnitude of these excess deaths is similar to that from covid in an unvaccinated population. There might be an enormous hidden price to vaccines and/or covid that’s only showing up through larger scale statistical examinations of population deaths.

Expecting this story to develop.
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January 4, 2022 5:28pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you someone else who’s gone very quiet…

BATMAN.
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January 4, 2022 5:48pm
I remember when

May be explained by the newspaper article where experts are suggesting restricted contact with our bats during covid outbreak.
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January 4, 2022 5:59pm
Maggie Pie

I can honestly say, that if those Local Bodies had put as much time & money into fencing their Riverbanks…..as Auckland Council has in making us comply with the Swimming Pools Act, all drownings would have been eliminated by now.
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January 4, 2022 7:03pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  You forgot the sea.
  
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  January 4, 2022 9:16pm
fernglas

Meanwhile, the “brain gain” seems to be another media-created myth. It looks like the number leaving last year exceeded those arriving by about the population of Whangarei.
https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
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January 4, 2022 7:27pm
Lucia Maria

Great opinion piece in The Spectator:

Dear New Zealand, it’s time to end Covid discrimination by David Clyne

Most New Zealanders will have a relatively stable family history. By this I mean, not a very violent one. For myself, coming from Hungarian Jewish descent, we have twenty-three names on the memorial board at the Holocaust museum in Budapest. There are twenty more from our family who were murdered and who are not on that board, as their histories have been erased.
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Most Kiwis do not support discrimination. Policies of discrimination therefore, should not exist. However, one exists here now, denying the Covid-vaccine-free the same rights as the Covid-vaccinated. The only reason it exists is because the majority of people obey, despite knowing discrimination is immoral. This obedience comes from believing the government will accept responsibility for this discrimination under the mandate. As you know though, governments come and go, times change and history is a very harsh judge on those who support discrimination, especially when recent research is showing the Covid-vaccinated are a significant source of transmission.

I, too, have murdered family members. They were killed by starvation, by a totalitarian Soviet regime that killed in a mostly passive aggressive way, which meant taking away everything until life itself became impossible. It killed those it considered enemies of communism.

There are warnings from history that should not be ignored, despite how uncomfortable they make people feel.

I never thought I would see in my lifetime the type of discrimination we are seeing in NZ today over a virus that has a incredibly high survival rate. The left seems to be reveling in it. When you argue with them, you find they consider the discrimination to be self-inflicted and therefore trivial.

You have to wonder what would not be justified in a pandemic.
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January 4, 2022 7:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just wait until schools start…
  
  I’m sure we are heading for a very nasty year.
  
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  January 4, 2022 8:54pm
Alan Wilkinson

Those stupid enough to vote Labour are stupid enough to tolerate all kinds of oppression given a few lies as cover. Depressing but true.
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