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titoki

RESISTANCE IDEAS CONTINUED…

* Understand the implications of 90% of adverse events being associated with 5% of the batches.
This info is covered starting 40:40 in this video https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigative-Committee:5/Mike-Session-86-en:0
Then invite your neighbours round for a cuppa and shown them the smoking gun. I would start by explaining what VAERS is, then doing a search on medalerts.org with
– Tabulate Vaccine Manufacturer and lot
– Covid vaccines
– Manufacturer Pfizer
– Serious events
click find and sort ascending by Count/Percent

Explain what is shown – no of *serious* adverse events vs batch no. Scroll down showing them that the first 50% ish batches are associated with just one event. Admit these could all be coinicidences.

Ask them, how many adverse events they think there are per batch at the end of the list. Then see if their prediction is correct.
Ask them, which batch they would like to have when they get their boosters.
Ask them, why there is such a huge variation in adverse events reported for the batches.
Ask them, whether this could all be explained by coincidences and false reports. If so, would they bet their life and health on that.

Could print out graph at 53:30 in above video showing variation for flu vaccines and graph at 54:16 showing variation for covid vaccines if you think this would help. There is more than a ten-fold difference.
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January 16, 2022 8:02am
- artemisia
  
  I posted down thread about a couple of vax mandate OIA requests to Wellington City Council and DOC.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:37am
- Spoff
  
  Chris Smitherson has a problem: he’s unvaccinated — which means he’s left out of all activities as he doesn’t have COVID like his vaccinated friends. Thoughts and prayers.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfR7Qfhy_XI
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Poor bastard, he should get jabbed immediately and take one for the team.//
    
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    January 16, 2022 2:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Cyclone Cody threatening Gisborne … a tsunami from Tonga …

Looks like nature is rebelling against the royal wedding
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January 16, 2022 8:03am
- pdm
  
  Have the Banns been read yet?
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Do denominations beyond Catholic and Anglicans publish banns ahead of weddings?
    
    … [Deleted – irrelevant. mod.]
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:09am
    - Nickc2
      
      Those Banns sound too fishy to be read in Lil-Olde-NZ.
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:50am
  - Flossie
    
    What? You mean that “between spinster of this parish” and stuff?
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:28am
- redqueen
  
  The gods must be favouring us… 😉
  
  However, I feel sorry for Tonga 🙁
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:00am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Re Omicron – this is what victory over covid looks like. Michael Baker et al can’t see the wood for the trees.

We should be ringing out the church bells.
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January 16, 2022 8:06am
- Albert_Ross
  
  How does “let omicron rip” stand up to the same level of scepticism as has been applied to the vaccine?
  
  For example:
  
  Where are the longitudinal – at least five-year – studies showing the long term impacts of omicron?
  
  Are there any cases where somebody has had and recovered from omicron and subsequently tested positive again? Even if they had no symptoms
  and didn’t get sick the second time, that still proves omicron is ineffective as an immuniser.
  
  Have there been any adverse effects suffered by anyone who’s had omicron?
  
  These are all reasons that have been given for dismissing vaccination as a means of tackling the risk of covid.
  
  Why would we not apply the same rigour to this new proposition?
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Let’s lockdown for 5 years then.
    
    Hermit kingdom.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:51am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      A response which you also made to those refusing to take the vaccine because of the absence of five-year testing, right?
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:15am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        If you must, mask-up, vax-up, and just let the rest of us get on with our lives. Doesn’t that sound fair, Albert? Why should everyone be held hostage by the fearful lost souls who dwell among us?
        
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        January 16, 2022 12:36pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Really easy when you see the name to automatically downtick without bothering to read
        
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        January 16, 2022 1:19pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        You have a choice to take the vaccine where as omicron leaves you with no choice of contracting it vaccinated or not.
        
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        January 16, 2022 2:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You’re right Albert, best we all stay under the bed until Brenda says it’s safe to come out.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:58am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Or you could leave the PM out of it – after all, disgracefully we actually have no idea what she thinks about omicron, and what she thinks is only randomly related to good science anyway- and explain why these questions don’t need to be asked, let alone answered satisfactorily, before we reach conclusions.
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, I can’t leave the PM out of it. She is the figurehead driving this, like Macron, like Trudeau, like Biden.
        
        You really don’t get it do you? This is NOTHING to do with health. It hasn’t been from the beginning. It’s political. I have my suspicions what the endgame is but can’t prove it so I don’t talk a lot about it. But it’s plainly obvious that this is NOTHING to do with health. The contradictions are multiple and growing. The most basic is the idea that somehow a “vaccine passport” is a tool to help the health of the nation. Anyone who believes that is either mentally deficient or on really good drugs. The jab does NOT stop infection, it does NOT stop transmission. The jabbed carry the same viral load as the unjabbed. The unjabbed aren’t allowed out, so how the fuck are they going to be responsible for the spread of covid? All the current “places of interest” whatever the fuck that means, are places that have “vax passes” and “contact tracing”. It’s political optics, it’s bullshit.
        
        Ardern is driving this, she is a WEF and Klaus Schwab disciple who sadly got elected to the top job in NZ. I can supply the evidence of that if you want it. It’s readily available to anyone with an ounce of intuition and research ability
        She is a staunch advocate of Agenda 2030. It isn’t a “conspiracy theory” – whatever the fuck that means. Here’s a link.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-opinion/nzs-path-united-nations-agenda-2030
        
        She is totally inept at actual day to day management of the country. That’s not up for debate. We have 4 years of evidence of her failures in every area.
        Covid has made her seem to be “strong and focused”. The Christchurch shootings made her seem “kind and caring”. It’s complete and utter theatre. She is a charlatan of the highest order, a complete and utter failure at everything she touches. Her only skill to date has been “smiling and waving” and wearing hijabs and pretending to “care”. It’s total bollocks. She’s the biggest fraud I have seen in 50 years of watching politics.
        Wake the fuck up and understand that everything you thought about NZ is being undermined by this Marxist/globalist lunatic. It’s been a plan in place for at least 40 years. It’s now in full flow, but it’s crumbling everywhere on the planet.
        There is no “pandemic”. There never was. This is an orchestrated political coup from the “left”. Funded by some very powerful people.
        Yes, I’ve got my foil hat on and I’m a conspiracy theorist. I hope that makes you feel short term comfort as you try to work out what the fuck is happening right now.
        You’ve had 40 years of complacency. You can’t cope.
        
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        January 16, 2022 2:59pm
      - The Housekeeper
        
        Why would leave the PM out of it when she has told us the only truths will come from her?
        
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        January 16, 2022 3:26pm
    - greybeard
      
      ClanMcLeod:
      Your post at 2:59pm was one of the best I have ever read on this blog.
      For some reason my approving comments for that post were misplaced, so please accept my congratulations on such an insightful and sensible post.
      
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      January 16, 2022 3:38pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    No one has suggested to let it rip. But a more realistic approach of the standard health measures used to keep yourself virus free. We can’t keep pathogen at bay forever, lest stop pretending we can!!! We can stop covid coming into NZ the same as we can stop the tides, so Queen Canute needs to figure this out sooner rather than later.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:26am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Using phrases like “let it rip” makes the prospect sound so much more cavalier, irresponsible and dangerous than it actually is, doesn’t it?
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:38pm
      - edhunter
        
        Oh I don’t know, here in Queensland where we’ve had fewer cases than NZ up until the start of this year, ‘let it rip’ seems a very apt term for what has happened, we’re rapidly approaching the 200k infected mark. Yes we’re over 90% vaxxed but the many, varied & down right contradictory messages businesses & individuals are getting from state & federal govt is mind blowing.
        
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        January 16, 2022 3:36pm
  - Jim
    
    Because of the known natural evolutionary science of viruses means to consider such unusual mutations would be akin to unnecessarily worrying about a giant meteorite hitting your house during your lifetime. However synthetic lab manufactured products reacting with human cells is another thing completely
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:44am
  - RightNow
    
    We should have applied the same rigor to the notion of zero covid, as well as mass vaccinating during a pandemic.
    New Zealand had a pandemic plan that was completely ignored.
    It’s a bit late for you to be calling for rigor Albert.
    
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    January 16, 2022 11:30am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      A foolish, ignorant, naive, poll-obsessed politician has been making hasty and panicked decisions without full consideration of the available facts, let alone waiting for better data – so it’s OK for us to do the same now?
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:16pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “Panicked decisions” might have been an acceptable excuse in the first 3-6 months. It’s been two year. There is NO panic. There hasn’t been for 18 months. There has been nothing but lies, propaganda and a twisted narrative driving to an agenda yet to be clarified. Probably “climate change” connected. Whatever it is it is horse shit.
        
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        January 16, 2022 4:00pm
  - pdm
    
    Well AR Jacinda and co just let Delta Rip – so why not Omicron.
    
    Might be the only thing they are consistent about.
    
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    January 16, 2022 11:43am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      How did they “just let Delta rip”?
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:19pm
      - pdm
        
        No preparation AR – just sat back on their arses after the initial covid run and did nothing.
        
        Complacency then and complacency now – even though most of the country should be Green now under their stupid traffic lights which no one comprehends..
        
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        January 16, 2022 3:26pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No extra hospital capacity, no advice regarding personal steps to improve your capacity to cope with a virus of ANY kind including seasonal flu. Nothing about vitamin C, D, zinc, healthy eating, exercise, weight loss etc etc etc. Nothing other than “the jab will save us all” which is a complete and utter lie.
        
        Locking people down, enforcing fear and mask wearing, everything they have done has made this relatively average respiratory illness worse.
        
        Wake up Albert. Brenda has an agenda and the wellbeing of the NZ population is irrelevant in the grand plan.
        
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        January 16, 2022 4:04pm
  - mawm
    
    Let’s apply the same rigour to masks, mandates, vaccine apartheid, lockdowns, vaccinating kids, closing schools, boosters, etc, etc.
    
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    January 16, 2022 11:46am
  - Surely Knott
    
    “The rigour” of a 5 year study has not been applied to the vaccine, but yet the vaccine has been forced.
    
    What the vaccine sceptics have asked is to be given transparent and balanced information and be able to make their own choices. Same with Omicron. You can analyse the information and the experts and make your own choice about your level of risk (prior immunity, age, weight, pre-esixting conditions) , and make your own decision about wearing a mask, staying home, losing weight, going to a high risk venue like a nightclub or indoor cafes, or taking the gene based vaccine which is only provisionally approved due to lack of long term safety and efficacy data. Given the vaccine doesn’t stop spread the choice should be personal.
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:45pm
  - freemark
    
    Because data, science & evidence show Omicron to be even less lethal than the other barely lethal strains of Covid, whilst the same data, science & evidence show increasingly that the jabs are pretty much useless for anything except making young healthy people sick.
    Get it yet?
    
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    January 16, 2022 7:58pm
- Colville
  
  I like the sentiment but is there any evidence that catching Omi gives you resistance to Delta? or even to getting Omi again?
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Catching covid naturally gives superior protection to the jab. That’s a proven fact. It’s why many countries around the world will accept “recovery from covid” as a pass for the other bullshit that needs a “vax certificate”.
    
    NZ is just so far behind the 8 ball it’s frightening. Ardern kept covid numbers low by destroying the economy and terrifying the population. She had the added advantage that we’re an island nation 4000km from the nearest land mass, another island nation.
    She did this for political expedience. Nothing to do with health. She doesn’t give a fuck about your health or anyone else in NZ. It’s all about how she “appears” to the people she aspires to be like. The WEF and the UN.
    Catching a disease has been the best protection against that disease forever. Since humans were slime in the primordial soup. That’s how it worked. Right up until someone decided there were dollars to be made from “fixing” nature.
    
    Don’t get me wrong, we’ve had some amazing health breakthroughs over the year, but some are coming back to haunt us. Antibiotics being the most obvious,
    The biggest breakthrough in centuries has been the improvement in living standards, hygiene and access to clean water.
    We need to look at our lifestyles, diet, exercise etc etc, before we start depending on massive corporate entities to come up with synthetic treatments to fix what are basic flaws in our habits.
    
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    January 16, 2022 4:13pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  And the headlines say “Narrative of Omicron as a ‘milder’ variant is dangerous, experts warn” and others urge us to get better face masks since they’ve apparently only just realised that the overwhelming majority of masks are “worthless”.
  
  Not just because they offer sweet FA in protection, as anyone with half a brain and the ability to read what’s written on the box has known for almost 2 years, but more importantly (and dangerously) they give people a false sense of security.
  
  And that threatens the fear narrative that allows them to retain control, so must be stamped out by ramping up the fear and urging people to get better masks. Anyone else get the feeling this isn’t over by a long stretch?
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:38am
- mogg
  
  We are governed by idiots. UK statistics show that
  A couple of weeks back Omicron was infecting 200,000 people per day, now that figure is 74,500 and falling fast. During that time it has all but wiped out killer Delta, which now only represents 3% of new cases. It is also leaving behind mass immunity to all previous types of Covid. Vaccinate the vulnerable and welcome Omicron with open arms.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:07pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see the news on TV1 about the woman who had a severe reaction to one side of her face due to her first vaccination? She was pleading with officials, not to be forced to get the second jab. Ashley told her she could have AstraZeneca for her second jab with no reason given.

I would hope that National should speak in opposition to this. I doubt the Act will.
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January 16, 2022 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  The Media are shockers .
  
  They have been the cheer leaders for Wuflu fascism and fear porn and yet they very lightly pepper their coverage with their own version of what they themselves would call anti vax.
  
  It’s as if they’re schizophrenic.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Same in other countries. Anyone with a severe adverse reaction. Hey you are just anxious. Go see a counsellor. Happened to a top class mountain biker in the USA. He has highly developed arm muscles. All his presenting symptoms consistent with the vaccine being injected into a vein.
  
  Anyway he is a mountain biker no longer with propably permanent heart damage.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:17am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I have been vaccine injured.
    
    4 weeks after jab 2, been feeling tight chested, faint and feeling heartbeat wasn’t right over Christmas.
    
    Had an emergency ECG last week. Resting BPM 110, abnormal ECG result.
    
    atrial fibrillation and suspected remote infarct.
    
    Now on beta blockers and blood thinners and in the queue for a further set of tests.
    
    No history of heart disease in family,
    
    I guess I am another hysterical antivaxxer, who just needs to harden up and get boosted?
    
    Remember Comrades, Safe and effective, roll up your Tamariki and jab them too, its for the greater good!
    
    Scratch me from the “Team of 5 million ™. I’m out.
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:27pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Really sorry to hear that.
      
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      January 16, 2022 3:48pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Good luck, you have been badly served by the Ardern team. Horrific what she has done to this amazing country,
      
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      January 16, 2022 4:18pm
    - Reid
      
      https://needtoknow.news/2021/12/dr-mercola-article-world-council-for-health-reveals-spike-protein-detox-for-vaxxed-people/
      
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      January 16, 2022 5:18pm
    - titoki
      
      Sorry to hear that. Thanks for telling your story. Hopefully it will make a difference to someone somewhere. Are you getting the support you need? There are many support groups for the vaccine injured, though I’m not sure exactly where but could find out.
      
      Do your batch nos come up on howbad.info?
      
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      January 16, 2022 7:52pm
- NK
  
  Chuck, Luxon is pro the vaccine. Hirate Hipango is evidence of this. You’re going to waiting a very long time expecting him to denounce this.
  
  Bloomfield is another mandate slut.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I will be seeing him on Wednesday and hopefully get a chance to raise the issue.
    
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    January 16, 2022 8:59am
    - kowtow
      
      Best of luck .
      
      These people are relentlessly poll and ‘advisor” driven.
      
      And yes , that’s politics but look where climate and covid responses have got us.
      
      Madness.
      
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      January 16, 2022 9:04am
    - coge
      
      Please ensure you have your vax pass ready for scrutiny prior to entry to that event.
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:33pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        We have been told to do so and I agree with that policy.
        
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        January 16, 2022 1:07pm
  - pdm
    
    Bloomfield probably has to be in favour otherwise Jacinda will replace him with the woman who sometimes subs for him – or some other compliant sycophant.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Nick, I am also pro the vaccine just anti mandate.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:04am
    - NK
      
      I’m the same.
      
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      January 16, 2022 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      “The vaccine” .
      
      Which neither stops you getting or giving the lurg , whose effectiveness is extremely short lived , so much so that constant “boosters” are required and which is known to have deadly side effects for young , fit , healthy , particularly males who are in practically no danger from this lab created kung flu.
      
      Some ‘vaccine’ !
      
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      January 16, 2022 9:24am
    - pdm
      
      Me too Chuck.
      
      I have no worries mixing with unvaccinated people.
      
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      January 16, 2022 9:29am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’m pro vaccines; just not the Pfizer/ Moderna/ AZ ‘vaccines’
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:46pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Nick, it appears that Seymour is pro mandate.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:17am
    - curry4me
      
      Chuck Bird: Surely not. The ‘freedom party’ being pro mandate. It’s like they joined the branch covidian Sunday school. /sarc
      
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      January 16, 2022 3:58pm
- R
  
  Chuck,
  
  The person you’re referring to is Sue McIntyre (sp?) who got Bells Palsy after her first jab. The story is at the 7:40 minute mark here:
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/one-news-at-6pm/episodes/s2022-e15
  
  What is also interesting is that during trials for the Pfizer vaccine, four of those who were vaccinated acquired Bells Palsy, while none who had the placebo got Bells Palsy.
  
  Bells Palsy is a serious side effect. “Most patients with Bell palsy recover without any cosmetically obvious deformities. Approximately 30% of patients, however, experience long-term symptoms following the paralysis, and approximately 5% are left with an unacceptably high degree of sequelae. Bell palsy sequelae include incomplete motor regeneration, incomplete sensory regeneration, and aberrant reinnervation of the facial nerve.” (https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1146903-overview#a8)
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:17am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The following in today’s Herald is another case. I say Djokovic is a saint compared to Bloomfield. I can hardly wait till Hosking gets back and grills him.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-man-fights-for-vaccine-exemption-after-terrible-eight-weeks-after-first-dose/PZZMFQOP3IM2MGMW3LTHM7A4P4/
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:33am
- kevn
  
  Chuck… She is one of many, probably thousands. They are just told NO and that’s it. Everyone knows someone with a vax reaction problem. Not sure how many get VAERS reported.
  Sarah Carter (Dan Carters sister) has manged to get it out there with her vax reaction/issue.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I personally know 3 people who had serious adverse reactions who were declined exemption. Beyond evil.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:01am
    - kevn
      
      @Clan… If Pfizer had managed to do the animal testing regime trials rather than skipping it, the issues may have shown up. Earlier.
      But, emergency etc etc.
      
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      January 16, 2022 10:27am
- Geoff1
  
  Doubt very much that National will speak out in opposition to this, they are in lock-step with the government stance – witness the leader’s recent action and words re Harete Hipango.
  Obviously having an alternate view is verboten.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:14pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Are you a member of National or Act?
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:09pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Doesn’t matter they are sooooo weak
      
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      January 16, 2022 1:22pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Stuff now tells us that cloth masks are worse than useless.

In the words of the immortal Johnny Rotten, ever think you’ve been had?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127498347/covid19-some-face-masks-effectively-worthless-people-urged-to-upgrade-as-omicron-looms
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January 16, 2022 8:10am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Anyone with half a brain could have told them this over a year ago. Encouraging people to wrap a scarf or whatever round their face just shows the stupidity of our PM.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  NMTB, Megyn Kelly has a refreshing take on masks.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unum9PKAJBc
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:16am
- kowtow
  
  Did the story go on to say that stuff places of employment are now providing the very best of masks to their staff , in the interests of health and safety of course ………
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same as putting up a wire mesh fence to keep out mosquitos
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:22am
Benedict Yu

Jacinda 2020. ‘Hey any old mask is fine. See I made a red one.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/300094054/coronavirus-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-her-own-face-mask

Experts 2022. “Some face masks could be worse than nothing”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127498347/covid19-some-face-masks-effectively-worthless-people-urged-to-upgrade-as-omicron-looms

This is what I was saying yesterday. At worse they lie. At best they just make everything up as they go along.

So the person who has copied jacinda and made a mask with a happy ? giraffe on it just got told by a New Zealand ‘expert’ that she has wasted the last 18 months.
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January 16, 2022 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  Mask mandates are literally nothing more than govts being seen to be doing something , anything …….in order to pretend they are actually doing something.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:19am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Kowtow which is exactly why I don’t indulge them. Face masks are the green grocers “ Workers of the World unite” sign . Havel had this nailed.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:23am
- cmm
  
  Experts in 2020 were saying that masks were not equal and poorly constructed masks were worse than useless. Some testing found that some masks break up large droplets, creating aerosols which then travel further and bypass masks.
  
  But we’ve succeeded in making a bunch of people believe that masks are magic. Here’s a poor man that was traumatised by not wearing a mask for 30 seconds:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127510557/international-arrivals-go-without-masks-in-transit-corridor–while-border-cases-grow
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:28am
  - Ruahine
    
    What an idiot. He deserves at least 10 minutes on TV1.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:04am
- emmess
  
  From the same article
  
  Some face masks could be worse than nothing if they lull people into a false sense of security, experts say.
  
  Any mask is generally better than no mask, she said, but if using a substandard mask is stopping you get something better, “then it’s counterproductive”.
  
  Yeah, makes perfect sense, right?
  I think I’ll go without as much as possible
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:59am
- Jim
  
  The size of it. It looked more like a nose bag.
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:47am
Cassandra

Covid and its omicron variation dominate the news but there’s plenty of other activity, such as the furore over 3 Waters and other aspects of this government’s plan to change NZ’s constitutional system, yet both PM and her Deputy continue to have a long holiday. No-one begrudges a politician having a break but surely a couple of weeks is enough, particularly when the PM is likely to take more time off soon, and why are she and the Deputy PM having a long holiday at the same time. Plus the rest of the Cabinet seems to be taking a long holiday too. Everyone should have been back at work a week ago. We need a government, not a student debating society. Although there is a good argument that this lot being away from the steering wheel is a blessing.
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January 16, 2022 8:16am
- Taieri
  
  Plus the rest of the Cabinet seems to be taking a long holiday too. Everyone should have been back at work a week ago
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  Perhaps, this particular lot should take a permanent holiday…
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:40am
  - Cassandra
    
    Until the 2023 election anyway. Then it’s up to us. Surely the Dopey 400,000 will have come to their senses by then?
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Once upon a time, NZ used to have a “Duty Minister” on deck during the Christmas-New Year period.
    
    Any ideas as to who ‘s been the “Duty Minister” this (very long) holiday break?
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Special K?
      
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      January 16, 2022 10:25am
    - Nickc2
      
      I may be wrong but I believe it’s the same as last year. Kelvin Davis. Don’t expect anything to happen unless it’s of benefit to Maori or Prisoners.
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:21am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Let’s hope there’s not a prison fire
        
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        January 16, 2022 12:49pm
- kowtow
  
  Our Media Pardy have been wetting their panties over the so called ‘insurrection’ in Washington DC , so much coverage , so much emotive language and imagery and yet here in lil ol New Zealand there is literally a conspiracy to change our constitution by stealth and what do we get from that same Media pardy so obsessed by Trump?
  
  Almost literally nothing . Make no mistake this is a coup d’etat. New Zealand style . No generals with sun glasses , but a coup non the less.And they’ve already seized and control the radio and newspaper offices.They are monitoring social media .They have informers everywhere . Independent voices in universities fear speaking out and when they do , they are called racist and silenced .
  
  On the face of it everything appears normal and yet ………
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:45am
  - Cassandra
    
    Buy off the media, employ hundreds of press officers (propaganda staff) and don’t tell the voters anything. It’s the boiled frog story for real. Goebbells would be pleased.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Funny these events aren’t being called ‘coup’.
    Or even reported here.
    https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/07/8-times-left-wing-protesters-broke-into-government-buildings-and-assaulted-democracy/
    
    https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/01/flashback-may-2020-assault-on-the-white-house-60-secret-service-agents-wounded-president-trump-taken-to-secure-bunker/
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If you were deliberately planning a coup – how would it look any different?
    
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    January 16, 2022 12:51pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Things have been much nicer with her away from a microphone. I wish it could go on forever
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ll have you know, Cassandra, that in the world of student politics we used to have months off over the summer. A few weeks – pfstt!
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Is the reason we don’t have any omicron in the community because the MSM won’t report it?
  TBH, I can’t for the life of me see how we can’t have it when it’s a world pandemic. Surely, we’ve had more than enough people through MIQ with it?
  Perhaps the MSM is not reporting it (aside from being paid by the Govt) is because there is an agreement not to take any gloss off the wedding?
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:44am
  - Sacha
    
    People will try not to let anyone know if they’ve got it. If they are vaccinated they will be ridiculed, and if they aren’t they’ll be keeping well out of range of swabs/tests/IQ. And vaccinated infectors.
    
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    January 16, 2022 6:06pm
- Pavel
  
  Yeah could you imagine the media outrage if John Key was off on holiday during a pandemic, organizing his wedding on a billionaires estate and organizing celebrity chefs and foreign djs?
  Got to admit though it sure is bliss not hearing from any of them, stuff is getting pretty desperate and writing loads of what if opinion pieces. Me, and almost everyone I know, don’t actually take Jacinda seriously anymore and watching her talk is more for entertainment. When I see her talk I just think, yeah whatever go away. Personally I’d be happy for the lot of them to take a permanent vacation and am dreding her return and all the spin that is going to resume. Alot of couples have serious arguments, that almost end in divorce, during their honeymoons. I’m betting she’s no exception and will take it out on the people. 2022 is going to be really tough for anyone who doesn’t do as she demands.
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:23am
- The Housekeeper
  
  But look how well everything is going, no government, no drama.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:00pm
Simon

Now over 2 years into this corona virus and it still completely owns this most useless gubermint.

Next on the useless agenda is mass jaxx of children & boosters for everybody with a jaxx that doesn’t according to the Pfizer CEO work that well against the current variant.

NZ to remain closed until the Labour party can order the new Pfizer Orm jaxx and inject this new jerry built jaxx into everyone. By time the virus would have changed yet again. It just looks like you can vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic.

Aside from all the jaxx safety issues around constant jaxxing. Which the WHO has just warned about.

This bull shit has to end at some point. Its insane.
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January 16, 2022 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sorry I rarely get defeated by English words, but I am lost on “jaxx”. It is not in the Oxford Dictionary and Google comes up with nothing ??
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Use your imagination .
    
    To me it’s a play on vax and jacinda.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Jaxx = Jacinda vaccine
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s a portmanteau word .. created by blending Jacinda with vaxx
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  “This bull shit has to end at some point. Its insane.”
  Take you own advice, Simon.
  And learn to write.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:33am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Take you own advice, Simon.
    And learn to write.”
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It happens every time, doesn’t it?
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:10am
      - MCōs
        
        Affirmative.
        
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        January 16, 2022 12:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      I was thinking more along the lines of his use of words such as ‘gubermint’, ‘jaxx’, ‘Orm’
      
      I see now someone has provided an explanation for ‘jaxx’, which is laughable in itself.
      
      Well it’s a funny thing.
      I regularly read criticism on this forum of others who don’t speak English as it should be spoken, but I suppose it’s not a two way street.
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:25pm
  - artemisia
    
    Correcting grammar or spelling is rather a slippery slope. However, posting on social media is a tiny bit different to MSM, and best to take into account that people can have valid opinions even if language skills are not perfect.
    
    Not everyone is reasonably well educated, or has English as a first language or has spelling and grammar checkers. Could still be worth listening to though.
    
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    January 16, 2022 11:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed,
      
      Let’s rewrite Simon’s grammatically incorrect final sentences….
      
      This bull shit has to end at some point. Its insane.
      
      This bullshit has to end at some point. It’s insane.
      
      I can’t detect any change in meaning.
      
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      January 16, 2022 11:38am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Damn spellchecker! Not to mention that blog contributions may be made via phones with their little keys that can be troublesome for those of us with fat fingers.
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Deconstructive as usual. Is this a common theme with all Jacindanistas? Surely one or two of them have some debating skills and/or intelligence? The bar can’t be this low throughout?
    
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    January 16, 2022 4:26pm
Tomtoddy

Monday News Bulletin: Swells 50 metres high exected on coast.

Wednesday Bulletin: Swells 20 metres high likely.

Friday Bulletin: Coast narrowly escapes worst of storm. Locals tell of being petrified waiting for damage.

Helps sell copy, I suppose.
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January 16, 2022 8:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve kept on watering the gardens…
  
  only 0.2mm rainfall expected tonight and less than 4mm on Monday…
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  The Media ‘s strongest suit these days is fear porn.
  
  Sadly , idiots are easily scared . Covid , climate , ethnic and gender division, class strife ……feel free to add to the list of daily diversions they serve us .
  
  Note how Trump is gone we get so little coverage of matters Washington ?
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Here you go.
    Meet Paul Pelosi Jr, son of Nancy Pelosi.
    Poor Paul seems to have the most extraordinary bad luck picking Companies he works with.
    A lot of them seem to be run by Fraudsters!
    https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/nancy-pelosis-son-linked-to-firms-probed-by-feds/
    Lets hope he makes better choices.
    Meanwhile Mama is up to her old tricks
    https://nypost.com/2022/01/07/nancy-pelosi-makes-30-million-from-tech-stocks-scoffs-at-push-to-ban-congressional-trades/
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Here’s a SCOOP then!
    It’s not looking good for the Dynamic Duo of Biden & Harris.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:50am
    - oldfella
      
      Nick, if you enjoy following American politics, you’re probably familiar with this weekly compilation of US political humour. Some real laugh-out-loud stuff.
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/01/the-week-in-pictures-10-year-challenge-edition.php
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:13pm
      - Nickc2
        
        US humour is not often funny, but this link is great. Thanks oldfella.
        
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        January 16, 2022 12:55pm
- Matt Long
  
  Then boats damaged or destroyed by Tsunami in Tutukaka from Tonga eruption, no warning for most people.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Not Volcanic Tsunami but from winds of ex Tropical Storm entering New Zealand and will and is hitting the East Coast.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:30am
- igm
  
  Helps media push anthropogenic global warming ideology on those who are silly enough to read it.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:44am
- PeeJay
  
  I personally loved the reaction of some of my surfer mates down here in Christchurch. They were envious of their mates up north who were going to get some epic conditions. Mad buggers – love it!
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:52am
Lee C

Booooommmmm? The UK government admits that vaccines have damaged the natural immune system of those who have been double-vaccinated. The UK government has admitted that once you have been double-vaccinated, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity to Covid variants – or possibly any other virus. So let’s watch the “real” pandemic begin now! In its Week 42 “COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report”, the UK Department of Health admits on page 23 that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who become infected after two doses of vaccination”. It goes on to say that this drop in antibodies is essentially permanent. What does this mean? We know that vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission of the virus (indeed, the report elsewhere shows that vaccinated adults are now much more likely to be infected than unvaccinated ones). The British now find that the vaccine interferes with the body’s ability to make antibodies after infection not only against the spike protein but also against other parts of the virus. In particular, vaccinated people do not appear to form antibodies against the nucleocapsid protein, the envelope of the virus, which is a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people. In the long term, the vaccinated are far more susceptible to any mutations in the spike protein, even if they have already been infected and cured once or more. The unvaccinated, on the other hand, will gain lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being naturally infected with it even once. Source:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/…/Vaccine… The first insurance companies are backing down because a huge wave of claims is coming their way. Anthony Fauci confirms that the PCR test cannot detect live viruses. Anthony Fauci confirms that neither the antigen test nor the PCR test can tell us whether someone is contagious or not!!! This invalidates all the foundations of the so-called pandemic. The PCR test was the only indication of a pandemic. Without PCR-TEST no pandemic For all the press workers, doctors, lawyers, prosecutors etc. THIS is the final key, the ultimate proof that the measures must all be lifted immediately must be PLEASE SHARE
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January 16, 2022 8:29am
- westernScientest
  
  link doesnt exist
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:43am
  - kevn
    
    @western… Works if you type it in and search. Odd.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:31am
  - Allan
    
    Try searching on Duck Duck Go it comes up there.
    
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    January 16, 2022 12:16pm
- NK
  
  Lee, your link isn’t working.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:08am
- cmm
  
  Yup, as I have said often, the PCR testing has skewed everything and has been close to meaningless in this pandemic.
  
  Never before have we had a pandemic where “cases” has been defined by returning a positive PCR test. Before “cases” has always meant that someone has significant symptoms contributing to illness.
  
  According to Baker, and I do not doubt him on this, every year a quarter of NZ gets infected with flu. If we used a PCR test for flu then a quarter of NZ would test positive and 10,000 a year would count as flu deaths (about a third of all deaths in NZ). Yet the vast majority of those people do not develop classic flu symptoms – instead the majority would shrug it off as a slight cold not even worthy of Lemsip.
  
  Introducing new measurement technologies is always problematic because we seldom know how to compare the new data to the old data.
  
  If we use PCR testing again in the next pandemic we will have something to compare with.
  
  The same is true with all the climate change heating data. New fancy satellite-based measurements mean nothing because we have nothing to compare them with. It takes 25 to 30 years to build data that makes any sense.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    A vet in a letter to the UK Daily Telegrapgh , stated he’s spent his career dealing with animal viruses said
    
    “cases are not cases but isolations of the virus which may or may not produce clinical symptoms. We are simply recording numbers of those who , according to a swab,have come into contact with the virus, and one would expect this to increase as the virus becomes endemic in the population. It is not legitimate to use these figures as an indication of the seriousness of an ongoing pandemic”
    
    This whole thing has been driven by a complete absence of true science and common sense .
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:34am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yes, precisely, some of us have been saying from the beginning that infection and transmission doesn’t matter. What matters is rates of actual illness.
      
      And yet here we are, still banging on about “tHe VaCcInE dOeSn’T sToP iNfEcTiOn” and ignoring the very clear evidence that it has been hugely effective at stopping infection from turning into illness, ie addressing the actual problem.
      
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      January 16, 2022 12:26pm
- Clownworld
  
  The problem is with actual evidence ,most of the population will not believe a colossal scale of incompetence can be this big?
  
  People prefer soundbites and visuals, headlines and virtual signals. People have been incrementally trained to trust their leaders, their celebrities ,their online influencers.
  People no longer in general weigh up media with
  -What are they trying to make me think, feel, act and do?
  – Every story has two sides at least, how balanced is the story?
  – How are the experts qualified? What id their actual expertise?
  – Folliw who benefits? Follow the money?
  -is this opinion?
  Etc
  
  Critical thinking is desperately needed before you can get people to wake up.
  
  Also, persuading someone they have not only been lied to, but that they have propagated the lies by their individual actions and furthermore they are complicit in potential evil and or crimes…. well easier for people to deny it, or ignore it.
  
  The dissonance is deafening…
  
  Always hope, these are the tip of the delusion though…
  
  What comes next?
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:15am
- Geoff1
  
  Link doesn’t work.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:17am
- Geoff1
  
  Try this.
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf?
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:23am
  - NK
    
    Thank you.
    
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    January 16, 2022 11:02am
- dannz
  
  That’s not what it says.
  “the overall higher profile of antibody levels in
  those who have experienced past infection is evident; both vaccination post infection and breakthrough infection following vaccination are expected to boost existing antibody levels”
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:51am
  - RightNow
    
    Expected in this case seems to mean won’t.
    
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    January 16, 2022 2:45pm
artemisia

Suggest the non appearance of the Prime Minister at a time of probably worsening crisis and discontent is that she is being carefully protected. The MVP needs time to recuperate from a tough year.

Sorry sweetie, take the big chair, take the pay, take the responsibility, front up.

Not sure about all the other Ministers though. Cannot all be in witless protection. Can they?
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January 16, 2022 8:30am
- MCōs
  
  You talk of ‘probably worsening crisis’ and elsewhere someone rails against ‘covid fear porn’.
  
  What’s it to be?
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:51am
- pdm
  
  It is not only the PM.
  
  On Thursday last week I emailed Health Minister Angry Andy Little regarding problems I had at the Hastings Hospital emergency department and their failure to respond to my complaint in early October.
  
  Surprise, surprise Health Minister Little is not in his office at present – don’t worry about the pandemic people.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    And his Deputy on holiday too? Don’t worry, we have everything under control. We’re working at home. I have Wi-Fi at the beach. Relax. And we’ve got a wedding to attend.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:05am
  - yossarian
    
    Exactly, and yet they’re trying to tell us how serious this Omicron is. The impending disaster is so serious the govt is taking a six weeks off.
    
    Remember how Morrison got blasted for taking a week off during the fire season, yet our media are (as Dave Chappelle would say) ‘oddly quiet’ on the govt disappearance.
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:38am
- RightNow
  
  MVP = Minimum Viable Product in my world. Seems apt.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:29am
- Bob
  
  They would be as much use in witless protection as anywhere else!
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:12am
artemisia

Couple of OIA requests requesting detailed info from DOC and Wellington City Council about the process, costs and benefits of voluntarily adopting the vax pass. Those interested in responses can elect to Follow replies.

https://fyi.org.nz/request/18202-policy-to-require-my-vaccine-pass-to-access-council-services-and-facilities
https://fyi.org.nz/request/18203-policy-to-require-my-vaccine-pass-to-access-doc-facilities
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January 16, 2022 8:35am
exkiwi

New COVID elimination strategy 2.0 just dropped by Michael Baker. Kiwis now need to wear respirator masks at all times to eliminate COVID. Vaccines were so 2021, we don’t talk about them anymore, now we *really* know what is needed to stop the ‘ro and end the pandemic. Masks again, but better this time:

“If everyone in New Zealand wore respirator-type masks all the time, the pandemic would stop immediately because there would be no more transmission,” epidemiologist Professor Michael Baker said.

Or at least, to ‘flatten the curve’:

‘Having a high-quality mask is important at an individual level – to protect you and those around you from the virus – and at a national level, to ‘flatten the curve’ and stop the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, Baker said.’

Wait, what? Is this a temporal loop? What is the strategy and goal? When does it end? Is Baker dreaming, or am I? Have we all gone quite mad?
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January 16, 2022 8:36am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Jesus H Christ, are we still “flattening the curve”? That curve is now looking like a dip!
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:48am
- Bob
  
  Is this man really paid by the taxpayer to spout this rubbish every other day?
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:09am
- Fletch
  
  You have to ask – what data is he looking at from overseas? Is he looking at all? If he was, he’d see that Omicron is akin to Nature’s Vaccine and is a gift. We should be letting it in right now before Winter comes.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:25pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Frightening rubbish……sigh
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Baker is … yet now finds himself front and centre of a fake pandemic.
  He has had a vision for decades, NZ being an island paradise with unicorns and fairy dust, that rides out the terrifying plagues raping the planet, emerging as an island of milk and honey, safe from all evil and with the rest of the planet queueing up to trade coconuts with is.
  …
  Here is a paper he put out 10 years ago. Like Fauci, this is his wet dream. …
  
  This has given him “purpose” in his own … mind’s eye.
  https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0178732#sec016
  
  He need shut down immediately.
  
  … [Deleted – OTT and defamatory. If you want to make statements like this do them in your own space, not someone else’s blog. Warning not to repeat again. mod.]
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:38pm
Tony Stuart

Anyone else hear a series of sonic booms between 8pm and 8.30pm last night? They were from the volcanic eruption in Tonga, and took two hours to travel here. Quite surreal!
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January 16, 2022 8:37am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, we heard them and we live about as far away from the sea as anyone can in NZ.
  We thought our neighbour over the hill (so not loud) must have been using a pile driver for fence posts.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:47am
- kowtow
  
  The satelite images of the explosion are awesome.
  
  The amazing power of nature . And pollies think taxation and electric cars can control that!
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Think of the amount of volcanic ash hitting the Earth and proving that man made Global whatever is dwarfed by many world wide volcanoes currently streaming from Indonesia to Tonga ( a small one).
    
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    January 16, 2022 10:34am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Don’t forget the farting cattle……
      
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      January 16, 2022 1:29pm
    - Nickc2
      
      An Inconvenient Truth?
      Al Gore, you’re a hypocrite IMO, if I’m still allowed to have one!
      
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      January 16, 2022 1:48pm
- MCōs
  
  I thought someone was chucking an old dish washer in an empty bin.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:54am
- pdm
  
  Heard in Hastings and thought our relatively new neighbour in the adjoining unit was a secret drinker and was under the weather more than somewhat.
  
  Wrong again.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:14am
- emmess
  
  I heard something here in Auckland just after 8pm, I thought it was a train, can anybody confirm?
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:38am
- JohnRidd
  
  Yes. We heard it. In Waikato, north of Hamilton. I told my wife I thought it might be someone shooting clay pigeons a couple of kilometres away, but it didn’t sound quite right.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:19pm
Philview

I read the ODTs editorial yesterday that the city just had its warmest year on record. I am skeptical as the spring months weren’t that great. It got me thinking that I remember the temperature testing station being moved at some point in the last 30 years as the original area was considered too cold. Does anyone have thoughts on temperature stations being moved in other centres around NZ?
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January 16, 2022 8:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not only the moving of temperature stations… the change in the surroundings of our temperature stations…
  
  Those installed before the 1950s were far from tarseal, concrete, & high-rise buildings.
  
  Now all our cities have an UHI (urban Heating influence) and the airport sites (where many of our early weather stations were located) have turned into acres of hard surfaces.
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  I think the “trick” is the adjustments the ‘scientists’ make to the data to account for when they do move stations or whatever black arts they employ when accounting for urbanisation etc
  
  One of the longest standing continuous temperature records is from Armagh , N Ireland and the guy to look up is Butler .
  
  He says there has been temp rises ,but all within the normal variations.
  
  His advice is to enjoy the interglacial we’re currently in.
  
  http://www.climate.armagh.ac.uk/publications.html
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Breathless repeating by Pravda One that last year “was the hottest year ever” and that 4 of the 5 “hottest years ever” were in the last decade.
  
  Utter balderdash of course, since they have no records prior to the last couple of hundred years, a picosecond (1 trillionth of a second) in terms of the earth’s history.
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:51am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    We know temperatures have been rising slowly since the last ice age and in particular since the recent mini ice ages. So why is a “warmest year” anything other than expected?
    
    The issues are how fast and does it matter, neither of which are addressed.
    
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    January 16, 2022 5:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wellington’s weather stations are, I think, still at the airport & high on the hill at the Met Office (on the ridge above the Bot Gardens). Which is why it’s no surprise to locals that Wellington is frequently the windiest city.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:59pm
  - MCōs
    
    Wellington is the windiest city because it’s windier than anywhere else, by far.
    
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    January 16, 2022 2:34pm
Cassandra

The hysteria over the “cyclone” is similar to the End of the World the climate fantasists were proclaiming 50 years ago. We cancelled a Probus picnic and it now seems that it’ll be dry and 30C on Monday. Perhaps forecasters might like to keep quiet until they know more.
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January 16, 2022 9:00am
- rangitoto
  
  I was hoping for some rain but no luck.
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:35pm
Yvette

In looking at an item headlined–
What does ‘academic freedom’ mean in practice? Why the Siouxsie Wiles and Shaun Hendy employment case matters
– the website page offers Related Stories, so other rabbit-holes you can go down, one being –
Are New Zealand’s universities doing enough to define the limits of academic freedom?

The article starts well enough –
The news last week that University of Auckland public health researcher Simon Thornley was retracting a co-authored paper about supposed vaccination risks during pregnancy raised deeper questions about the limits of academic freedom.

– and argues that question, but in its last paragraphs, goes “off the deep end” –
And universities have barely begun to address the reality that campuses are often experienced as hostile spaces by minority groups, not least Māori and Pacific staff and students.
A genuine democratisation of university life – including tackling institutional racism – is also vital to ensure all communities in Aotearoa New Zealand can see themselves as participants in and beneficiaries of what universities do. Principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi should not only be acknowledged but given meaningful expression.
Hard work will be required for our universities to become highly trusted institutions by all communities. This is especially true of tangata whenua and Pacific people. In fact, our tertiary institutions have a lot to learn from tangata whenua about handling disagreements and responding to unethical behaviour in a way that upholds the mana of all involved. [1]

But disregarding for the moment the fact the Treaty does not actually define any principles, those that have emerged since (an about the 1980s) seem to be values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga, which are “stumbling blocks” to most of non-Maori extraction (both in pronunciation, using a different vowel system to English, and being longer words than those used now so glibly in television news bulletins) but in fact these three words mean (roughly) – “the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna” [2] – ideals common to most civilised world religions. Despite the problems of the Crusades, Lucilio Vanini and Darwin [3].

So these values are not unique to Maori, or new to non-Maori, since they are the basis of ideologies like Buddhism, Taoism, through to Christianity – the latter being currently so de-based (de-platformed even) as to readily have it main proponent’s name blasphemed regularly on Shortland Street. Or the whole theme of the religion is debased by New Zealand state-televised DIE HARD films, which currently live on.

Which perhaps returns you to – “And universities have barely begun to address the reality that campuses are often experienced as hostile spaces by minority groups …”

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/456389/are-new-zealand-s-universities-doing-enough-to-define-the-limits-of-academic-freedom
[2] from the introduction to the generally trashed Climate Change Commission Report, 2021
[3] the last two alluded to in David Farrar’s post at 7am
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Related Questions
• Why was Siouxsie Wiles’ relationship to the Prime Minister’s Department not disclosed earlier in her advice to the nation?
• Why was Siouxsie Wiles’ support of Maori “science” not disclosed earlier than in her Open Letter, signed Professor Shaun Hendy FRSNZ MNZM, University of Auckland; Associate Professor Siouxsie Wiles MNZM, University of Auckland and hundreds, if not thousands of others – https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdRwHTSKURHaalXZSNo2oluN9OjuDxK6UDG4gb6t7NhAPO3Zg/viewform
• How much “Maori science” is actually involved in the comments Wiles and Hendy do bestow on the nation, on behalf of Ardern’s covid response? I would suspect that despite the Open Letter and brazillions of supportive signatures, that “Maori science” content in the state advice is nil. And, if any, I challenge both Wiles and Hendy to state what it is.
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January 16, 2022 9:00am
Tasman devil

Interesting article on the highly successful roll out of ultra fast broadband under National.

Close your eyes, and think about how great it is to our daily lives, and then think about what if Phil Twyford or David Clark had been in charge.
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January 16, 2022 9:06am
- Bob
  
  Twyford or David Clark had been…
  or any other member of this so called government.!
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:10am
- chukar
  
  In our rural area now it is roll back.
  Have lost the cellphone coverage I had after the National led rollout.
  That was tough to get originally and the local politics were pretty hard to accept , but we got it.
  
  Not any more !
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:12am
lifesgood

Never heard a thing in my part of Auckland. Poor Tonga, they will need a lot of help.
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January 16, 2022 9:20am
Benedict Yu

So has Tonga been destroyed with large loss of life? I can’t decode the drama on stuff.
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January 16, 2022 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think communications are down across much of the Kingdom.
  
  Someone might have to crank up a steam radio to tell the world what’s happened.
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  It is not known yet as comms are mostly out. A few early videos got through which showed houses and cars being swept away. If anyone was inside these it would be horrific. There are plenty of low lying poor housing areas around Tongatapu.
  
  There are also lower lying, inhabited islands closer to the volcano.
  
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  January 16, 2022 10:09am
Tomtoddy

Here is a disturbing matter. Excerpt from a USA research paper… “Excess mortality from non–COVID-19 causes is substantial and much more heavily concentrated among males and minorities, especially Black, non-Hispanic males, than COVID-19 deaths. Thirty-four percent of the excess life years lost for males is from non–COVID-19 causes”.

“Life insurers have noticed an unusual jump in the number of deaths of people 18 to 64 years of age, and not just from COVID-19”, says Scott Davison, the CEO of OneAmerica.

Davison said most of the claims were for deaths other than COVID-19.

“COVID deaths will probably reach one million in the U.S. by the end of March. But the government and the media have paid no attention to the many collateral pandemic deaths ranging from lives lost due to reduced health care actions, suicides, homicides, and the many lives lost because of shutdowns, school closings, lost businesses and lost jobs.”
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January 16, 2022 9:42am
CAKE FACE1

In our brave new world, are we progressing?

Greta, the mentally ill schoolgirl, invokes “The Science” to advocate living like sub-humans, eating raw turnips scavenged with our bare hands out of the back garden.

Of course, she doesn’t understand that the description “The Science” itself is a misnomer.

Many of Isaac Newton’s theories stood unchallenged for hundreds of years, until Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. Einstein was influenced by David Hume, who argued for the scientific method – which stands in opposition to a concept of “The Science”.

If you believe that modern day popular thinking is vandalising science, wait until you look at the arts.

The yoof like films. Superhero franchise movies completely dominate this once great artform. They are insipid and annoying. Film has been vandalised by the yoof.

The yoof like music. In 2017, hip hop and rap overtook guitar bands and rock / pop music in popularity. Mr Jackson made a requiem documentary series about the Beatles, for those nostalgic for the good old days when music was an artform. Music has been vandalised by the yoof.

The yoof don’t read books. Novels used to be amongst the greatest artforms in history. There hasn’t been a great novel for decades. The entire artform is in decline and close to death. The yoof have vandalised novels.

The yoof don’t like poetry. This artform is now dead and buried. The yoof’s indifference to this art form has seen its demise.

The yoof don’t like paintings. The only artist still doing okay is the lefty cheat Banksy, who stencils left wing nonsense for morons. The yoof have presided over the death of painting.

I suppose that the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, 33 years ago. The yoof have now adopted socialist tastes, in combination with stupid mobile phones.

Not only has science been sacrificed to the new Gods, but the arts have been vandalised as well.

Of course, Cindy is high priestess of the vacuous, insipid, vapid and meaningless way of life that is popular with the yoof. Celebrity culture involves no talent bums splashed across magazines, spreading like a virus.

Cindy will probably eventually get thrown out, the sooner, the better, in my view.

She will leave behind a culture which is made in her image – moronic, shallow and infantile.
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January 16, 2022 9:47am
Lee C

Re adverse reactiopns: Chuck: “I would hope that National should speak in opposition to this…”

ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahha…
YOu don;t get it do you?

They are all in on this scam.

It’s not about health.

they don’t give a f**k about ordinary people.
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January 16, 2022 9:53am
ClanMcleod

Kid: Mom, what’s mass formation psychosis?

Mom: It’s just a made-up term by right-wing conspiracy theorists who think politicians and the media are lying to us and making everyone crazy. It doesn’t exist. Now get in the trunk.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-teacher-put-son-covid-19-car-trunk-prevent-exposure-warrant-says-rcna11441
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January 16, 2022 10:06am
- NK
  
  Commonly known as being hypnotised. That’s the essi way to explain it.
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:06am
CAKE FACE1

On the subject of the decline of our civilisation, let’s have a closer look at Cindy, even though it is disturbing to do so.

Just in terms of policy, Cindy’s government is most like the National government 1975 – 1984. These governments have in common their commitment to socialism – the centralisation of everything imaginable, huge government spending on “infrastructure” programmes, and massive government regulatory impositions.

Although I believe Sir Robert Muldoon to have been a disastrous Prime Minister (the second worst in our history), I do at least think that he was a serious man. Cindy, on the other hand, is simply not a serious person.

Cindy has held forth variously about the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. This is not cute. It is infantile. It is simply not appropriate to have as Prime Minister a person who babbles nonsense like a sickly, asthmatic nine-year-old girl.

Of course, you could say that this childishness is all a marketing campaign, and she isn’t actually this immature and childish. To date, I have seen no evidence of any maturity whatsoever.

In the past, a person who acted in this manner would never make the position of Prime Minister. Today, we live in an age of social media and celebrity culture. Gone are proper academics in unfashionable clothes speaking in intellectual fashion. In are fat women with pink hair chanting slogans.

The rise of social media has seen the collapse in intellectual rigour, in favour of celebrity culture.

I would never have guessed that Cindy’s moronic act would prove so popular with the voting public. To me, she is a fake, a phoney, and a fraud. The exaggerated expressions strike me as absurd and manipulative. You are trying to fake empathy? It’s not fooling me. I think Cindy is simply a clown.

Perhaps after Cindy, we are destined to continue the degeneration into the depths of celebrity cult politics. This may be her legacy.

Wedding at the billionaire’s ranch! Lorde will sing!

“Let me be your ruler (ruler)
You can call me queen bee
And baby, I’ll rule (I’ll rule, I’ll rule, I’ll rule)
Let me live that fantasy”

Puke.
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January 16, 2022 10:20am
- pdm
  
  I may be wrong because I was a relative youngster and not much interested in politics but I think initially Muldoon was a relatively competent and able Finance Minister.
  
  It was when he had the dual roles of Prime Minister and Finance Minister that his and New Zealands troubles started – in short he lost the plot.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:02pm
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps that is why so many women think she is wunnerful because of their belieft that they consider that they are instinctively mothering her.
  
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  January 16, 2022 2:06pm
- Yvette
  
  CAKE FACE1
  Good! – write more
  
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  January 16, 2022 2:48pm
- kevn
  
  @Cake…. More chameleon with some added clown.
  
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  January 16, 2022 6:44pm
Jack5

John Key: first it was his bloody black flag – black the colour of pirates, the SS, and Pol Pot’s genocide army.

Now he’s using “Aotearoa” for “New Zealand.” From the last paragraph in the Key article in the Herald today on high-speed internet:

“Congratulations to all those involved in this phase of Aotearoas’s[sic] connectivity, that’s an effort to be proud of.”

The article quite reasonably praises NZ’s roll-out of optical fibre, but omits mention of its key champion, Steven Joyce.

Key calls for addressing the internet access of New Zealanders in the remoter regions.

Fortunately, Tesla magnate Elon Musk and his competitors will likely solve that with their satellite services. Musk’s Starlink plan:

https://www.gudstory.com/starlink-internet-elon-musks-internet-project/
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January 16, 2022 10:25am
- pdm
  
  Jackis it possible that the `woke’ Heralds sub editors changed New Zealand to Aotearoa because they could?
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    Given the apparent indecision over the apostrophe, that’s quite possible, PDM.
    
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    January 16, 2022 12:09pm
- cjn
  
  Jack, Why is John Key writing in the Herald? He got out of the kitchen and therefore needs to stay out.
  
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  January 16, 2022 7:03pm
I remember when

Remember when the authorities used to think we had common sense and the ability to think for ourselves.
Tsunami warnings and coastal swell warning are necessary especially for boat owners and coastal residents.
However, when did it become essential that we were given a massive blob of advice on how to behave.
When did we stop having the ability to look at the sea and make a decision on whether it was wise to go for a swim.
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January 16, 2022 11:19am
- Bob
  
  When ‘common sense’ development was eliminated from our education system and replaced with a programmed mind education philosophy.
  No more thinking for yourself sunshine.
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:54am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  About the same time as when we popped our heads out the window to see what the weather was doing
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:05pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Poor old Prince Andrew. The humiliation gets worser by the day 😛

It appears Virginia may be able to provide a ‘blow-by-blow’ description of Andy’s penis! As nothing is off limits, Andrew is likely to be cross examined about the size and shape of the Royal appendage…..

https://technotrenz.com/entertainment/as-nothing-is-off-limits-prince-andrew-might-be-questioned-about-his-penis-1540402-html
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January 16, 2022 11:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Shades of Monica Lewinsky…
  
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  January 16, 2022 11:46am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Alternatively his lawyers might demand Virginia provide identification quality evidence of said appendage to prove familiarity?
  
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  January 16, 2022 5:46pm
I remember when

NZ Farmer: UK Market details.
The non-dairy milk market’s popularity is surging, and it now includes oat ands potato milk.
A third of British consumers now use plant-based milks, forming a 400 million pound market in 2020, up 32% on the year before.
Over a third of that is spent on oat milk, having doubled in spend in only one year.
Potato milk is claimed to require 56 times less water than almond milk, but is currently of limited supply with only one company, DUG.
The traditional dairy market is holding its share, largely as a result of the older consumer segment.
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January 16, 2022 11:31am
- Bridgenag
  
  Why are we paying so much for dairy products?………sigh
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:35pm
- Okahu
  
  Interesting news. My local barista was telling me oatmilk is the favoured non dairy request. It has a different boiling point and requires a bit of experience to ‘stretch’ it appropriately. This however is achievable to make a good looking coffee with a somewhat diffferent taste. But a decidedly agreeable one. It may even cover the natural bitterness of caffeine (and poorly constructed coffees) and allow sugar to be avoided.
  
  Have a go people. It might tickle your fancy and it turns out the caffeine works just fine when no cows are involved in its preparation.
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Good thing this extra CO2 is helping those plants grow well
    
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    January 16, 2022 3:02pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yes, oatmeal is by far the best of the nondairy milks we tried 20 years or so ago. Quite acceptable. Some of the others are awful.
    
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    January 16, 2022 7:21pm
Nickc2

The racist agenda rears its ugly head again.
If you or anyone associated with you is a supplier of Goods and Services to this Govt, be aware. Contract Acceptance Criteria is no longer based on: Quality, Price, Delivery Schedule and Previous Favourable History. If the Company is or has links to Maori, it is given an unfair advantage. Read and weep!

[Instead of an inappropriate copy & paste, why not be honest and link to the original. mod.]

https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Joint-TPK-MBIE-letter-to-CEs-re-Maori-Progressive-Procurement-Policy-1-1.pdf
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January 16, 2022 11:39am
Jack5

Rising storm for State TV – at least in UK…

Britain’s Scretary of State (Minister) for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, Nadine Dorries, is beginning to choke the funds of the BBC.

The Daily Mail reports Dorries has told friends: “It’s over for the BBC as long as I am in this job.”

She has rejected BBC calls for a higher licence fee from viewers, freezing it at 159 pounds a year for two years.

Born into a Liverpool working class family, Dorries is a former nurse and has written a novel. She founded and later sold a child-care company.

Dorries believes that subscription services such as Netflix makes the abolition of the licence fee inevitable when the BBC’s Royal Charter expires in 2027.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10406587/Nadine-Dorries-allies-warn-BBC-days-state-run-television-OVER.html
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January 16, 2022 11:48am
WaveyDavey

Anyone seen a government statement (or even a tweet) on Tonga?

The Labour PI MPs also seem to be MIA

Normally they can’t wait to hand-wring and grandstand in front of the cameras
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January 16, 2022 11:53am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Ah… at 12.18pm 16 Jan the PM finally tweets
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:26pm
- Prince
  
  Apparently the speech writers are on their hols.
  ‘Hugely Concerning’ is all the PM can come up with.
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:47pm
- nathie
  
  Hope the MIA Labour Govt asked the RNZAF to “scramble” a P-3 Orion surveillance aircraft early this morning to arrive at first light in Tonga to assess the damage initially, especially seeing international telecom links are down?
  
  If not, why not?
  
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  January 16, 2022 12:49pm
  - Bob
    
    Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Defence and external Affairs are all on holiday, so no action for Tonga until mid February; besides any available serviceable aircraft are on standby for the ‘Royal Wedding’
    
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    January 16, 2022 4:03pm
emmess

Tonga tsunami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvOlrgXLFfA
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January 16, 2022 11:53am
- lifesgood
  
  Morons be morons.
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Idiots
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:27pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Makes ya feel rather sorry for the Banana Palm eh?
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:30pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Let’s not be too hard on the Tongans…When I was living there I once sheltered through a hurricane at the Dateline Hotel (it has its own generators so you could get hot showers). One of the best build buildings in the Kingdom.
    
    One fucking idiot palangi went jogging at the height of the cyclone…he came back (lucky for him) talking about green coconuts flying through the air past him. A green coconut weights about 5 kg…enough to kill you if one falls on you – which is why you never seen Tongans sleeping under a coconut palm.
    
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    January 16, 2022 2:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Darwin candidates
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:46pm
- greybeard
  
  But still these cretins will ask for NZ money and aid.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:42pm
Fletch

Remember when the vaccine manufacturers were forced to add a warning about Myocarditis/pericarditis to their information sheets? A new warning is for a “rare” spinal cord condition from the AstraZeneca and J&J jabs (though not Pfizer).

The European Union’s drug regulator has indicated that a change to the product information for COVID-19 vaccines from AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson has been recommended to include a warning of a rare spinal cord condition called transverse myelitis.

TM is a rare condition that involves inflammation of one or both sides of the spinal cord. Symptoms can include weakness in the limbs, and tingling, numbness, pain or loss of pain sensation, or issues with bladder and bowel function.

The Pharmacovigilance and Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC), the European Medicines Agency’s (EMA) committee that assesses the safety of human medicines, recommended the change on Jan. 14 after concluding that a causal link between the two vaccines and TM is “at least a reasonable possibility.”

It recommends changing the product information for the COVID-19 shots—AstraZeneca’s Vaxzevria and Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen–to include a warning of “very rare cases of transverse myelitis (TM) reported following vaccination.” TM will also be added as an adverse reaction with an unknown frequency to the vaccine profile.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rare-spinal-cord-condition-flagged-as-potential-side-effect-of-covid-19-vaccine-eu-drug-regulator_4215008.html/

https://news.yahoo.com/ema-lists-rare-spinal-condition-125002581.html
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January 16, 2022 12:07pm
Jack5

Just interrupted someone watching, on Netflix, Jane Campion’s The Power of the Dog.

Told it’s slow and dry and the lighting’s so dark the watcher checked the state of the TV set.

Campion’s too arty-farty for me. The Piano was enough.
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January 16, 2022 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The storyline is pretty dreadful
  
  The script (when it exists) is banal (I fell asleep through part of the film)
  
  The lighting is much better than in “The Piano”
  
  The landscape photography is great – worth seeing the film for that alone.
  The condition of the cattle is excellent (I knew they weren’t Montanan beasts)
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I saw it with my partner. We both thought it was awful.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:02pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The story line and characters didn’t hang together at all for me. Pretty pictures only.
  
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  January 16, 2022 5:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I haven’t read the book, so I’ve no idea how well the film depicts the narrative and themes of Thomas Savage.
    https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/the-power-of-the-dog-9781784877842
    
    I went to the film with one of my literary mates who had read the book and seemed to find more depth in the film than I could fathom.
    
    Can’t say I’m tempted to read the book.
    
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    January 16, 2022 5:47pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I just found the conversion from arsehole to mentor completely ridiculous.
      
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      January 16, 2022 7:25pm
pdm

A few minutes ago I had a phone call that went something like this:

Is that Mr………………..
Yes
I am calling regarding Government subsidies for insulating your home.
Who are you?
Caller pulled the plug on the call.
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January 16, 2022 12:08pm
- kowtow
  
  When someone cold calls me and asks me who I am , I shoot straight back without telling them
  
  ‘Who is this”
  
  Afterall they have initiated the call , they should i/ d themselves first .
  
  They don’t like it , and believe it or not it’s often from institutions that should know better or that presumably haven’t trained their staff in basic manners.
  
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  January 16, 2022 1:01pm
  - Colville
    
    Long ago I stopped answering calls from anyone who I dont have in my address book.
    Anyone new can text me asking for a callback but life is too short to talk to randoms.
    
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    January 16, 2022 1:59pm
MCōs

Interesting article of the background to the filibuster in American politics.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/15/nation/jim-crow-relic-short-history-filibuster/
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January 16, 2022 12:59pm
plc

At brunch in Wellington. Next table 8 women 30-60 years old.

One has just shrieked”

“MICHAEL BAKER SAYS”

This is then followed by lots of nodding and huh-huhing.

Just shoot me now
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January 16, 2022 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  They’re crowding round a table, indoors ,no masks and they are disciples of Baker ?
  
  The dissonance is strong in those Believers. But it is Sunday and they are at their place of worship.
  
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  January 16, 2022 2:17pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    But this is Wellington.
    
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    January 16, 2022 7:32pm
Monique Watson

I’m going back to school in a week. I got the first two shots but that’s it. No more jab for me. It is truly horrifying that Bloomfield denied Sue McIntyre an exemption for the 2nd shot. I wish there were a word for the kind of torture that one person can put another under in front of that person’s welfare in order to hit targets. Horrible man.
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January 16, 2022 1:10pm
- kevn
  
  @Monique… Add Sarah Carter. Plus all the thousands who are unknown. Everyone knows somebody with the same issue.
  
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  January 16, 2022 6:36pm
Truman lodge

Looks like omicron is out. Not confirmed in comunnity but 50 close contacts self isolating. My local countdown has got the barrier tape at the door again with security like in red light level.which is concerning but unsure exactly why.

As I predicted level 3 or 4 next week for Auckland. But the way to end the lockdown is to get your booster shot. I predict they will bring the booster time forward from 4 months to 6 weeks. 6 weeks at level 3 or 4 for Auckland until we reach 90 percent 3rd dose. The herald already has the 3rd dose percentage bar on their website.

This is all designed to get us boosted. Then in winter a new strain and lockdown that requires a 4th booster.
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January 16, 2022 1:57pm
- cmm
  
  The booster is using the pre-Omicron juice which Pfizer says will only help slightly for a ver short period.
  
  Pfizer have already announced that they are shipping the new Omicron variant in March/April. By then Omicron will have been through everyone and there will be massive natural immunity. South Africa and UK are already past the peak. Many other places will be past it by the end of Jan, and most of the world is likely past it by the end of Feb.
  
  But, no doubt, the believers and the fearful will queue up for three doses of O-juice, even though Omicron is far weaker.
  
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  January 16, 2022 3:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    “By then Omicron will have been through everyone and there will be massive natural immunity.”
    No they won’t & no they won’t.
    
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    January 16, 2022 4:44pm
Rusty

Can the govt, health officials, and the media stop referring to people who haven’t had the vaccine jab as “anti-vaxxers”?

Why do they think all of them are anti-covid vaccine people or anti-vaccines in general?

They have their reasons and wouldn’t a more appropriate term be non-vaxxed or un-vaxxed people instead of the sinister and criminal sounding anti-vaxxed word?
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January 16, 2022 2:05pm
- cmm
  
  No. It is part of the fear mongering.
  
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  January 16, 2022 3:25pm
RW Capitalist

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-synagogue-hostage-situation/index.html
Wonder if cindy will get out her yarmulke?
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January 16, 2022 2:10pm
I remember when

Heard from a local who has just spent 2 weeks touring the South Island.
Down the East Coast side then back up the West Coast.
They said that South Island tourism is a desert.
Even the cheapie tourists were missing, with only about eleven campervans seen during his 2000+ km journey.
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January 16, 2022 2:16pm
- MCōs
  
  We were down driving round on the Canterbury Plains. Long straight roads, but really dangerous intersections because folks barrel through stop & give way signs.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:39pm
  - Nickc2
    
    So what’s the answer? KB can’t help you. Tell/vote for someone who cares/can!
    
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    January 16, 2022 8:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wouldn’t it be interesting to discover just how many of our Primary and Intermediate teachers lack basic Maths & Science) qualifications (NCEA level 2 – Year 12, Form 6)?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2201/S00042/act-calls-for-higher-standards-for-our-teachers.htm
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January 16, 2022 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW….They are us?

You can bet most Germans must rue the day ‘Frau Merkel’ opened their borders 🙁

https://wp.me/p4hgqZ-12fP
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January 16, 2022 2:37pm
Chuck Bird

Just been watching the Djokovic court case in Oz. They have taken a one hour lunch break. I think the odds slightly favour Djokovic.
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January 16, 2022 2:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Novak has suffered enough!
  Imagine having to spend a week in a 2 Star Hotel
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  January 16, 2022 3:04pm
  - lifesgood
    
    That’s why I don’t intend to travel for a while. Guess you can’t choose where you go. Imagine being put in Jetpark.
    
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    January 16, 2022 3:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No that didn’t happen. He’s on the next plane out and so he should be. The only ones who profited were the bloody lawyers.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:16pm
Russ the Muss

What the hell is going on with our RNZAF???? From dear leader,”defence force plane is ready to fly out, and may leave tomorrow, and a New Zealand Navy vessel is on standby to provide assistance if required.”
A plane may leave tomorrow? My God,the first reconnaissance flight should have occured by now and we should have a naval ship steaming at the end of today. Bearing in ind our recent pivot to the pacific and civil defense, this beggars belief that we do not have the capability to get to Tonga and help quicker. Very disappointing for our Tongan brother and sisters.
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January 16, 2022 3:37pm
- MCōs
  
  The ash cloud going up to 60,000ft. is a bit of a problem.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:17pm
- nathie
  
  Yep we need the sealift vessel HMNZS Canterbury filled up with the usual first aid/tents/food/building supplies etc, but if the local drinking water is contaminated then we need to supply lots of water and trucks/utes able to carry the water inland.
  
  Add a couple of helicopters onboard (naval Seasprite and Air Force NH90), to also help carry supplies and aid to remoter areas.
  
  Ready to go tomorrow morning etc.
  
  Plus a naval offshore patrol vessel to leave asap, also equipped with containerised medical aid and helicopter, to also visit the outer islands (as the sealift vessel will be tied up dealing with the major islands).
  
  C’mon Govt!
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:48pm
- AitchW
  
  Aeroplane engines don’t like volcanic ash. They can’t fly anywhere near Tonga till the air is clear.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:59pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The plane probably has to wait for clearer air. The ship may be waiting for more info and supply of what is needed. It’s not clear the Tongan govt has been able to communicate that yet.
  
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  January 16, 2022 5:33pm
CAKE FACE1

Live: Cindy says ‘further volcanic activity cannot be ruled out’ in Tonga.

Live: CAKE says ‘further obvious statements adding precisely nothing from Cindy cannot be ruled out’.
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January 16, 2022 3:57pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  To be fair, that wasn’t her – she’s busy prepping for the Wedding of the Century. I think you’ll find it was a statement from the Department of the Bleeding Obvious.
  
  In later news, the sky is blue.
  
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  January 16, 2022 4:57pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Concerns are mounting Ghislaine Maxwell may be experiencing ‘suicidal thorts’…

https://trib.al/2K3pWcC
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January 16, 2022 5:30pm
- [email protected]
  
  Unless she is stupid (which I do not believe), she will have put all the salient details in multiple places that will automatically announce themselves upon her untimely death.
  
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  January 16, 2022 6:35pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OPERATOR: “Suicide Hotline, how can I help?”
    
    HILARY: “I’d like to place an order”
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    January 16, 2022 6:54pm
  - mawm
    
    So did Epstein – but they got into the safe places and then him.
    
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    January 16, 2022 7:21pm
Fisiani2

The Tongan volcano has emitted more CO2 than NZ will do in the next three years.
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January 16, 2022 6:18pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Make that three hundred years.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:19pm
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    PLUS!!!
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:20pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300496935/two-seriously-injured-after-two-motorbikes-hit-car-in-canterbury
Two motor bikes hit a car?
Really?
Maybe this should read “car hits two motorcyclists” .
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January 16, 2022 7:14pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Maybe someone failed to give way and the bikes t-boned it.
  
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  January 16, 2022 7:30pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maybe there was a traffic jam and the two bikies missed it.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:20pm
greybeard

How long before someone attributes the Tongan volcanic eruption to “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” or “Covid-19”?
Or Donald Trump, ScoMo or BoJo ?
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January 16, 2022 7:20pm
Maggie Pie

Djoko….very sad to hear.
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January 16, 2022 7:56pm
fernglas

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

So a super fit and healthy athlete is somehow a negative role model in the Covid era? I don’t recall any Australian, or world, government refusing entry to restaurants to people with a BMI over 30, or embarking on extensive media campaigns to get people to lose weight. Does KFC come witha Government health warning? What utter hypocrisy.
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January 16, 2022 8:20pm
Nickc2

Novak Djokovic is gone! Well done Aust. To me, it’s great to discover there’s still a country whose judiciary applies its laws in accordance with said law’s intent instead of Political favoritism/leanings.
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January 16, 2022 8:23pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The reason given was not that he posed a direct health risk of spreading the virus. The reason was due to statements he had made some time ago so people would consider him anti-vax and that would encourage others not to get vaccinated. In other words, it was about his opinions or alleged opinions.
  
  The Oz government should just have said at the start he must be double vaxed or he would not get in the country. Djokovic is not stupid. As well as being no 1 at tennis he is worth about $220 million US.
  
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  January 16, 2022 8:50pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Djokovic lied in an attempt to circumvent immigration rules. End of story.
    
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    January 16, 2022 9:13pm
- Fletch
  
  The whole thing was stupid and has nothing to do with health. It’s all about politics and compliance. He was showing up the mandates for the utter rubbish they were, and the powers-that-be couldn’t have that. Good for him for sticking up for himself. He may well be one of the few totally healthy tennis players still left. It would be ironic if, after he goes, the players all test positive for Covid. They won’t be able to blame it on Novak.
  
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  January 16, 2022 9:43pm
Jack5

With the volcanic eruption on the Tongan island, the great adventure in 1982 of a Boeing 747-200 destined finally for Auckland is relevant.

Ash from the Indonesian volcano Mount Galunggung choked the British Airways airliner’s engines.

A great story, well told:

https://youtu.be/YYwN1R8hVsI
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