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Warren

Our great Economist (sarc) Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she can “see the light” as New Zealand deals with “wicked perfect storm”, cost of living crisis.
Ardern told Newstalk ZB Radio while New Zealand is going through a “very difficult period ” she can see the “light” at the end of the recovery.
A lot of Economists are saying inflation will start to ease over the later part of this year , but we are in this wicked storm right now, where economies around the world are recovering from Covid she said.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-she-can-see-the-light-as-new-zealand-deals-with-wicked-perfect-storm-cost-of-living-crisis.html
I have to ask one question of her statements does she believe that we are children with the words she is using and of course the Economists she has used to press her points are obviously from the Union or the Labour Party and please tell me when they last got views on the economy right.
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March 21, 2022 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Unfortunately, the light Jacinda Ardern can see is a fully-laden freight train, heading her way at great speed. It’s carrying a record load of debt, rampant inflation and rising interest rates, and she’s kidding herself if she thinks that things are going to get better this year.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:22am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Unfortunately it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:37am
    - Harriet
      
      NZ Labour was built around Roman Catholicism, the working week and dead fish.
      
      Lange wouldn’t put tomato sauce or vinegar on what’s left of that. 😎
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:43pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Ardern also said that she had been told by experts that her government’s handling of Covid had probably saved 5000 peoples lives. These people who aren’t dead won’t know they aren’t dead due to her but nevertheless. I’m left wondering which experts. The message was clear , you may think that the country’s economy and social fabric have been mortally wounded and you may think her government has indulged in massive over reach. You may even believe that the casualties of lockdowns add up to something far worse than Covid would have inflicted but you’re wrong because you could have been one of those 5000. You’ll never know. It’s apparently what allows her to sleep at night. Same interview on ZB
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:38am
    - Jim
      
      Without the Government’s clear justification I find it difficult to accept a figure of 5,000 NZ lives saved.
      My viewpoint is based on comparing UK Gov data which demonstrated that less than 18,000 lives were lost OF covid from a population of 65 million. I accept there are many differences between the two countries and the populations, but some significant factors are very much in favour of the NZ population (geographical location, better climate and more UV, population density).
      So considering that NZ’s population is x13 times smaller, I would consider Ardern’s achievement is more likely to be circa 400 lives saved OF a covid death.
      
      Even if you think I’m been too harsh in my simple comparison, we also have to consider ‘how many years of life were actually saved’. As saving an extra two years for an 80 year old, is not the same as saving potentially seventy years for a teenager.
      
      Ultimately as we all have different and valid perspectives, the court of public opinion will decide if the significant societal and economic impact has been worth it.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:10am
      - mawm
        
        Working out lives/life years saved is something the statisticians/epidemiologists need to look at. They would also have to take into account the excess mortality so as to capture the deaths from suicide, etc and those related to vaccines. I imagine her numbers would start to look pretty awful. We’ll never get the true numbers unless there is a commission of enquiry that specifically looks into them.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:38pm
      - Deane Jessep
        
        Plenty of people are modeling all cause excess mortality and using QALY (Quality Adjusted Life Years) to establish if the lockdowns, quarantines, mandates, and vaccine programs out weighed Covid-19.
        
        So far it’s looking like those programs have killed at several orders of magnitude higher. And we have not even begun to see the medium / long term affects. Citations below.
        
        New Zealand is in fact a very good control for (high vaccines / lockdowns / mandates / quarantines) vs (low alpha / delta). No other country has that mixture.
        
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8856030/
        
        https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40592-021-00148-y
        
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        March 21, 2022 1:18pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        We’ve been lied to from the beginning with statistics and models, why would anyone believe this number?
        
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        March 21, 2022 1:47pm
      - Bloody Dago
        
        More lies from Morticia. Just stop it will you! Just for a change tell the truth, you just screwed up 97.5% of Covid decisions, there’s a good girl. Now isn’t that a weight off those boney shoulders
        
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        March 21, 2022 9:39pm
    - mogg
      
      ‘5000 lives saved’
      I know a diversion when I hear it.
      
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      March 21, 2022 1:02pm
    - curry4me
      
      So who, or what saved the other 75,000 lives? Maybe she’s hoping 5000 sounds more plausible than 80,000.
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:05pm
  - Viva Christo Rey
    
    Its all part of the plan. The controlled demolition of the world economy proceeds as per the plans of the Davos psychopaths.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:10am
- amospicton
  
  7% inflation ‘easing’ to 5% is not going to make this crisis go away.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:26am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    That’s if you even believe the official inflation figures.
    
    Mortgage
    Rent
    Petrol
    Rates in some places.
    Food
    
    Have all exceeded the official inflation rate. These are the biggest expenses of households.
    
    So how do the actually measure inflating.
    
    The MSM will be along shortly to confuse the issue.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      Just got a flyer for gates, economy gates that were $130 discounted a few years ago, now $220 discounted.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:52am
      - Clownworld
        
        Bill Gates? He did warn the next one will be worse.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:36pm
  - pdm
    
    amos – we will be bloody lucky as a country if inflation drops to 5% under the current government. It is more likely to go to 10/12% by the middle of next year.
    
    Both Robertson and Orr have been promoted way above their capabilities and all New Zealanders are going to suffer for that.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:01am
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    Just wait for awhile until the minimum wage increase hits the market.
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:41am
    - Jim
      
      Yep Fishing, and a likely ‘upstream ripple effect’ on the other employees as next months new minimum wage edges ever closer to their own remuneration rate, (so eroding any existing pay margin above the minimum wage, which has likely been well earned through demonstrated attitude, competency, experience and loyalty).
      This policy puts additional pressure on business operating expenses (particularly tourism and hospitality), which I believe demonstrates very poor fiscal timing by this government.
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:49pm
- pdm
  
  `does she believe that we are children’
  
  Warren no doubt about that!!!!! It is the reason mrspdm and I left the team of 5million almost immediately after she promulgated it.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:27am
  - Simon
    
    `does she believe that we are children’
    
    She believes their are two types of NZs. One are wards of the state and for those that work and produce goods and services are economic units to be exploited. Either way we belong to the State. This is the system and both Labo and National embrace and promote.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:34am
  - I remember when
    
    The team was only ever 4,750,000 if you made an allowance of 5% for the unvaccinated.
    Don’t know if those 0-5 were aware of their membership.
    Good grief. The team is ever deflating.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Half of the rest were compelled to join the team under threat of losing their jobs.
      There never was a team remotely close to the bullshit spouted by Ardern.
      
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      March 21, 2022 1:49pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    A newish, first time mother. Her penchant for bedtime stories (good) has spilled over into the political arena (bad).
    
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    March 21, 2022 1:16pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    I was never part of her team of her team of 5 million. My permission was never sought. Ardern just assumed. Assume – ass-u-me
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:30pm
- cmm
  
  Once again she says she is the one with magic vision.
  
  Is this her “Magic Spectacles” Morman past showing through?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:28am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: What these “magic spectacles” to which you refer? I know about the Mormons’ sacred underwear but have never heard of said spectacles. Do enlighten me
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:11am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      Maybe that’s the problem, she’s wearing them on her head.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:28am
    - cmm
      
      DG: It looks like we can have a mutual education session. I was not aware of Mormons’ magic knickers.
      
      Only those with the magic spectacles (made from special stones) are able to translate the magic texts.
      
      It would seem to gel well with Cindy’s worldview that she has special gifts and intuition etc.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim_(Latter_Day_Saints)
      
      https://www.ranker.com/list/bizarre-mormon-objects/kellen-perry
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:29am
      - Observer of Life
        
        cmm: “ It would seem to gel well with Cindy’s worldview that she has special gifts and intuition etc.”.. It’s inCHEWishion. Please get it right.
        
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        March 21, 2022 8:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They allow you to translate ancient scripts engraved on stone blocks into English.
      
      https://journal.interpreterfoundation.org/the-spectacles-the-stone-the-hat-and-the-book-a-twenty-first-century-believers-view-of-the-book-of-mormon-translation/
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The views on the economy are right every state sector employee’s payday
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:28am
- surfing
  
  Unwinding the global money printing press which has been churning out cash since 2007……and, we’re only going to have a year of inflation?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The economy isn’t “recovering from covid”. Covid did nothing to the economy. Ludicrous government reactions to a seasonal respiratory illness wrecked economies and lives. There is a school of thought that this was deliberate as part of the push from the WEF and UN towards “sustainable goals” and to save us from “climate change”. I don’t know if this is true, but as time goes on it certainly becomes more plausible. The official narrative is beyond idiotic.
  So either we have the most incompetent western governments in history or we are watching our democracies being destroyed and our human rights being slowly stripped away. Either or, we’re in a very dark place right now.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:35am
  - yobi
    
    Yes it does feel like a great conspiracy and Cindy may well be part of it. If she is, then that is the luckiest thing we have in this whole debacle. She is truly incompetent and anything she touches ultimately turns to crap, this government couldn’t organize a booze up in a brewery. Her utopian dream for New Zealand is falling over slowly, but it is gathering momentum. The only thing we have to hope for is that another despot doesn’t step in amid the fallout.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:24am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Yobi look out for “River of filth” Woods
      
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      March 21, 2022 11:23am
    - Nickc2
      
      Everyone’s future is in your hands yobi. Remember that when you vote. There can be but one vote between protecting the rest of NZ from Cindy’s Utopia and driving us towards a Sane Fair Minded and Prosperous future.
      
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      March 21, 2022 11:53am
- RoboRob
  
  What is it with ‘Union economists’. They seem to have radically different views on financial systems. Its almost like the people they are employed by tell them what agenda they want them to push. Much like our govt sponsered media.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You mean the (Far Left*) Union economists?
    
    * Words in brackets are never to be used by MSM, to avoid scaring the sheep
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:47am
    - Swifty
      
      Exactly.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What is wrong with this woman, she really thinks she has super human powers FFS, move out of the way Roman, we need decision, not delusion
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    G I don’t think she recognises derision.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:04am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Inflation is going to be a huge issue for as long as she is in power. Why?
  
  Uncontrolled low value spending
  
  Money printing
  
  The Reserve Bank isn’t solely tasked with fighting inflation any more. They also have to think about wellness, whatever that means.
  
  Labour won’t want to make the painful necessary rate rises to fix this.
  
  And finally, as they say, if socialists understood economics, they wouldn’t be socialist.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:48am
  - Swifty
    
    *and heaping more and more costs on business with no commensurate productivity increase.
    
    (Labour have excelled at this since 2017.)
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:41am
  - mogg
    
    We can all remember the CNN reporter from Portland riots. Standing in front of cars and buildings which were being burned to the ground, while he was saying ‘the riots are mostly peaceful’.
    Well this is Ardern’s peaceful riots moment, but in her case it’s the NZ economy.
    As in 1984, ‘don’t believe the evidence of your eyes and ears, just follow the party line’. The MSM keep telling us that Jacinda is wearing clothes.
    
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    March 21, 2022 1:28pm
- Nickc2
  
  Jacinda Ardern says she can “see the light” as New Zealand deals with “wicked perfect storm”, cost of living crisis.
  
  Hey Cindy, last week you were saying there was no Cost of Living Crisis because stuff already in the pipeline was about to kick in (or words similar).
  This week, there’s a crisis, what’s happened?
  Which statement is true and which is a lie or are they both lies?
  Yes, we’re coming out of a Covid crisis like the rest of the world, but we’re coming out worse off than most due to your inability to manage and Robbo’s flooding the economy with borrowed and make-believe money.
  Clearly, any crisis we have is due to you and your Govt’s mismanagement and lies told in an attempt to mislead the public into a false sense of security.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:29am
- cjn
  
  As a Mormon Ms Ardern would have been taught about the magic spectacles that allowed Joseph Smith to see what others could not. But as she has refuded this religion she could be asked if she thinks that increasing the number of public holidays and the minimum wage would have any effect on the cost of living or if we should continue to blame Putin and Biden.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:47pm
2ic

An update on the posts I’ve been making over the last few months, comparing the Medsafe safety reports on the Pfizer vaccine with the Influenza vaccine reports from previous years.

From Table 1 on the following MedSafe page we can see adverse events being reported for the Influenza vaccine at 16-20 per 100,000 doses:

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/March2020/Influenza-vaccine-2019-what-to-expect-this-year.html
Taking 2019 data, we have 16.9 adverse events per 100,000, of which it’s stated 2.6% were considered ‘serious’, which is 0.44 per 100,000.

Now we have a new Medsafe safety report on the Pfizer vaccine:

Safety Report #41 – 28 February 2022
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-41.asp

2,842 serious adverse events out of 10,621,074 doses administered, which equates to 26.8 per 100,000 doses.

So your chances of a serious adverse event are:
Influenza Vaccine: 0.44 per 100,000 doses
Pfizer Covid Vaccine: 26.8 per 100,000 doses

This makes the Pfizer vaccine 61x more dangerous than the Influenza vaccine. It’s actually much worse than that, because you are exposing yourself to risk twice with the initial double-vaccination, and again with boosters.
The Influenza data is for doses distributed – not actually administered. I can’t find figures for doses actually administered, but even if you allow for 20% not administered you still arrive at a figure of the Pfizer vaccine being about 50x more dangerous.

Alarmingly, the reporting of serious adverse events is increasing too. Looking at the serious adverse events per 100,000 from the previous Safety Reports:

Safety Report #37 (20/11/21) : 19.9
Safety Report #38 (04/12/21) : 21.4
Safety Report #39 (31/12/21): 24.6
Safety Report #40 (31/01/22): 25.8
Safety Report #41 (28/02/22): 26.8

Hard to see how the government can preside over such data and still continue with the ‘safe and effective’ mantra.
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March 21, 2022 8:00am
- cmm
  
  There have been reports that the adverse effects increase with every subsequent jab. ie. second jab worse than first, booster jab worse than second.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The efficacy of the vaccines certainly drops dramatically with each subsequent jab.
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/20/vaccine-effectiveness-hits-as-low-as-minus-300-as-ukhsa-announces-it-will-no-longer-publish-the-data/
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:41am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, risks up, efficacy down.
      
      That is not the direction you want the risk-reward curve to go in.
      
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      March 21, 2022 8:47am
    - tf78
      
      I don’t believe they were ever effective, we were just told they were. We will never know (unless you’re one of the very smart unvaxed) if we would have seriously suffered from catching Covid. We didn’t suffer much when it arrived, so why would it change after lesser variants. We have been irreparably scammed big time, not just with a ruined country and economy, but future potentially damaging health conditions caused by the vaccines.
      
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      March 21, 2022 9:21am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        tf78 Yes similar thing to 5000 would have died. If you hadn’t had the vaccine this would have been so much worse. Really prove it. Really disprove it. Perfect con trick.
        
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        March 21, 2022 11:27am
      - mawm
        
        Vaccinated who entered hospital for “other” causes were never given the overpowered PCR tests but the unvaccinated were. Everything has been done to skew the data, to inflate the numbers of covid, to drive the fear porn, and to get you vaccinated so that you feel grateful to have a covid pass (QR) in your hand. Anybody who thinks Vaxx passports are going away is dreaming.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:54pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Taking medical advice from politicians sounds pretty ridiculous given their life experience. I mean, would you take legal advice from the chick wrapping your fish and chips?
      
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      March 21, 2022 9:40am
      - tf78
        
        RP, of course, don’t ya know she’s the only source of truth.
        
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        March 21, 2022 10:06am
      - Viva Christo Rey
        
        Agreed. Taking medical advice from abortionists is even worse.
        
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        March 21, 2022 10:13am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I have heard of similarly ridiculous scenarios. for example, I have read of particularly weak-minded people being strongly influenced by comments on Kiwiblog.
        
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        March 21, 2022 10:21am
      - RightNow
        
        Don’t worry milky, there’s no danger anyone is influenced by yours.
        
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        March 21, 2022 11:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I seek no influence, RightNow. Kiwiblog is an entertainment forum only. Only those commenters of particularly weak mind might imagine that their contributions might influence others.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:29pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So you keep on getting jabbed until you reach your limit for adverse effects or you actually catch covid.
    
    “Absolutely ” genius jacinda.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      Three months after you catch covid you will be expected to to get a booster.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:24am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Or die from the jab, even.
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is ‘safe and effective’ because they say so. Or, they just don’t comprehend the numbers.
  Labour math is shit
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:32am
  - kowtow
    
    The so called “Noble Lie” .
    
    Nothing “noble” about it.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:46am
- tui47
  
  The answer is simple and is the reason for a great deal of decisions. The greater good. Because the vax reduces hospitalisation authorities have decided that the some adverse reactions are to be tolerated for the greater good.
  
  Policies for the greater good are very much a socialist thing. They are prepared to put up with negative outcomes for the minority in order to achieve the policy that they believe is for the greater good of the masses.
  
  This is why Labour consistently ignore expert advice against many of their policies.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:37am
  - cmm
    
    If they really must have the greater good, then I can think of two far better policies:
    1) Vit D screening and “free” to vulnerable. There are numerous diseases and negative conditions linked to low Vit D. Almost all “Maori ailments” are Vit D related from colon cancer to mental health. I am not at all saying that Maori are the only people that need Vit D, but this one thing could likely shift the needle if we’re going to obsess over Maori health.
    2) Obesity reduction.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:45am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      No-one is going to get rich providing Vit-D supplements.
      But new laws regulating natural medicines (ie vitamins and such) should push more people into the arms of big pharma soon.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The vitamins industry generates many billions of dollars in revenue annually. Lots of people have got rich selling vitamin D.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:32pm
      - cmm
        
        “Lots of people have got rich selling vitamin D.”
        
        Not really. Not Pfizer-level rich. Vit D is generic and while some boutique brands can make a healthy profit there is none of the eye-watering gouging we see with “vaccines”.
        
        I would expect Pharmac could source it at less than 5c per day for 4000 IU. What has been spent on Pfizer vaccines (so far, more to come) could buy Vit D for those that need it for the next 15 years.
        
        The impact would almost certainly be astounding.
        
        The benefits are in no way controversial. Even though Vit D was only isolated in the last 100 years, knowledge of the benefit (eg. taking cod liver oil) goes back over 1000 years.
        
        Now why do our public medicine authorities ignore stuff like this I wonder?
        
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        March 21, 2022 2:38pm
  - Clownworld
    
    “All for the greater good” from movie Hot Fuzz.
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:51pm
  - Ehlana
    
    “They are prepared to put up with negative outcomes for the minority in order to achieve the policy that they believe is for the greater good of the masses.”
    
    With Covid, is it really a case of negative outcomes for the minority?
    Or is it more like putting up with negative outcomes for the majority to achieve the policy that they believe is for the greater good of the minority?
    
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    March 21, 2022 2:56pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Good work, 2ic. And remember everyone, these adverse reactions are proximal to the jab. The gathering evidence of sub clinical harm is increasingly difficult for authorities to hide as a range of excess death classifications blow out.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:59am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Poetry Day!
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March 21, 2022 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  You could at least have done it in verse form. A haiku perhaps?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Paul Hewson aka Bono ;
    
    ‘And St Patrick’s name now Zelensky ‘
    
    Wot a dick. And Pelosi for her rendition .
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:50am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Given the proximity to St Patrick’s Day, perhaps a limerick?
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:49am
  - Biscuit
    
    Ralph, of course, would know that a Haiku is a short Japanese mood-expressing poem that uses just seventeen syllables in (usually) three lines.
    
    Some of the (less-cultured, heh) Kiwibloggers mightn’t…
    
    Anyways, English poet John Cooper Clarke had a superb putdown of the ‘genre’:
    
    To convey one’s mood
    in seventeen syllables
    is … very diffic
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:26am
  - Clownworld
    
    Every hakiu
    Hangs on balance
    Between words
    And meaning
    For you.
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Also World Down’s Syndrome Day, far more important than some of the shit authors call poetry
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:35am
  - Lee C
    
    I’m Down with that, Steve.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I seem to recall some Devo lyrics that would suit both days:
      
      Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
      Happier than you and me
      Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
      And it determined what he could see
      
      Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
      One chromosome, too many
      Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
      And it determined what he could see
      
      And he wore a hat
      And he had a job
      And he brought home the bacon
      So that no one knew
      
      He was a mongoloid, mongoloid
      His friends were unaware
      Mongoloid, he was a mongoloid
      Nobody even cared
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:24am
      - Jack5
        
        The term “Mongol” for those with Downs Syndrome was derogatory not only to these people, but to Mongolians. It was a sort of doubly racist, doubly hurtful slur.
        
        The use of the word for the condition was changed after the Mongolian People’s Republic complained to the World Health Organisation in 1965.
        
        Here’s an interview with a Mongolian family living in Britain which suffered the double discrimination, having a child born with the condition:
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-30129358
        
        Mongolians typically rank in the top 10 or 12 countries in charts of comparative national IQ, for what they are worth. For example:
        
        https://montsame.mn/en/read/136404
        
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        March 21, 2022 11:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There’s a whole Wikipedia article about the song. I recall hearing the Are We Not Men album in the late 70s.
        
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        March 21, 2022 12:37pm
      - Deane Jessep
        
        Good idea in concept, but surely we could do this with a little bit more respect?
        
        Shall we go for a walk ?
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        When I go for a walk people look round at me.
        Will you come too ?
        Will you hold my hand ?
        They look round at me. There’s something wrong.
        Will you come too ?
        Perhaps I’ll put my ear-phones in and play my music extra loud.
        I am going for a walk. What’s wrong ?
        Will you come too ?
        Will you hold my hand ?
        
        Rogan Wolf about his sister Kim who had Down’s Syndrome.
        http://thesocialissue.com/2015/10/shattering-stigma-with-the-power-of-poetry/
        
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        March 21, 2022 1:30pm
- Random T Person
  
  The Darkling Thrush
  Thomas Hardy – 1840-1928
  
  I leant upon a coppice gate
  When Frost was spectre-gray,
  And Winter’s dregs made desolate
  The weakening eye of day.
  The tangled bine-stems scored the sky
  Like strings of broken lyres,
  And all mankind that haunted nigh
  Had sought their household fires.
  
  The land’s sharp features seemed to be
  The Century’s corpse outleant,
  His crypt the cloudy canopy,
  The wind his death-lament.
  The ancient pulse of germ and birth
  Was shrunken hard and dry,
  And every spirit upon earth
  Seemed fervourless as I.
  
  At once a voice arose among
  The bleak twigs overhead
  In a full-hearted evensong
  Of joy illimited;
  An aged thrush, frail, gaunt, and small,
  In blast-beruffled plume,
  Had chosen thus to fling his soul
  Upon the growing gloom.
  
  So little cause for carolings
  Of such ecstatic sound
  Was written on terrestrial things
  Afar or nigh around,
  That I could think there trembled through
  His happy good-night air
  Some blessed Hope, whereof he knew
  And I was unaware.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:46am
- Trev
  
  World whiskey day!
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:50am
  - RalphT
    
    Let’s all drink to that. (But not too much otherwise we’ll start slurring our poetry.)
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’ll drink to that!
    I note, though that there is some (drunken?) confusion about the date for whiskey/whisky day. i also see that there are a few other things to celebrate today:
    International Colour Day
    International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    International Day of Forests
    World Puppetry Day
    Perhaps if I were to take a dram now, it would help me to compose a poem celebrating Down Syndrome, colour, eliminating racial discrimination, forests, and puppetry.
    I’d like to make it a limerick, but I’d hate to be accused (again) of racism towards the Irish, on today of all days.
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:01pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I bet you’re a one man cabaret at a dinner party.
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Life is a cabaret, old chum!
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:39pm
artemisia

The Prime Minister said over the weekend –

“One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done.”

It is quite possible this is the new slogan and will be rolled out relentlessly until the 2023 election now that ‘80,000 grannies’ has become a laughing stock.

So let’s see who said 5,000, from what ‘scientific community’ and how it was calculated. Or was it made up.
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March 21, 2022 8:01am
- Ruahine
  
  Yes. The Political Science community no doubt. Name names if it is true PM.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    But of course, neglects the excess deaths through inability of the Hospitals etc. to handle deaths from heart attacks, delayed cancer operations, strokes etc. and also fails to account for a massive increase in suicides.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:32am
- Dougal10
  
  She may have stopped older and sick people dying through the first lockdown but they will more than likely have died since , alone without visitors .
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:39am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Critical advisers”
  “Our science community”
  “People have been saved”
  All carefully crafted and repeated phrases designed to woo back the admirers and the frightened.
  Really quite clever manipulation of the people by the team of 500 PR staff.
  Are we still so gullible and needy?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Complete bollocks, like the “model” referenced in the Herald today.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:44am
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s an hilarious claim and of course unprovable and equally impossible to disprove . So I’m guessing this is what the ghoul will run on . You don’t know if you’re not dead because of our handling of Covid but it could be so. In the same interview she said that some of the measures taken by her government could now be “ put back in the toolbox “. NO ! Off of the books for good.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:50am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  “Give or take possibly” 5,000, sounds very scientific.
  
  How does that stack up against total mortality from all causes?
  
  Newshub has an even better figure there are 27 times more vaccinated than unvaccinated, that makes us a team of 29,000,000 give or take 5000.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is so full of it, last week we passed Britain and the States per capita for infection, I assume that makes us the worst now, deaths are mounting, I suggest they also will see us become the worst, it’s a about the failure with this lot
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:24am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I hate to say it, but a few of her critical advisors have been Wiles, Baker, Hendy. They’ve all be wrong most of the time so sorry, but I don’t have much faith in her “critical advisors”.
  
  And by the way, give or take, how many have NOT been “saved”? It’s sort of messianic, isn’t it?
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have been corruptly wrong, just like all decisions on COVID, it’s been a rotten orchestrated dictate from the beginning, snd everyone is now saying they are over it
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:15am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  Cindy, with her white saviour mental issues, claims to have saved 5,000 lives. How does this stack up to the overseas data?
  
  5% of Covid deaths are excess deaths. 95% of Covid deaths would have died anyway, within months.
  
  5% of 5,000 = 250 lives were saved, for more than one year.
  
  What happened to the other 4,750 people? They died anyway. They were part of the 30,000 or more New Zealanders who die every year.
  
  There was a cost for this zero covid madness. The response has probably cost far more than 250 life years.
  
  Any valid cost benefit study would find that we spent the second most in the world, to delay the reckoning. We have burnt our economy to the ground, for a cruel hoax.
  
  Everything is worse than five years ago. Everything! This means that we will be subject to the wild Messiah Complex claims until the next election.
  
  Governments should be judged on whether they leave the country in a better place. After six years in government, Labour will leave as their legacy a country where everything is worse. It is extraordinary. It is terrible.
  
  I’m weary of the propaganda. I’m sick of the stupid rules. Cindy needs to just stop the silliness now. I’m not the only one who has had enough of it. Just stop it.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:37am
  - Debsta
    
    Well said Cakeface!
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:20am
- cmm
  
  The bottom line is that the vast majority of people that were “saved” are now dead from other causes anyway.
  
  All that happened was that their deaths were time-shifted a few months.
  
  Was it a good deal for the people who were “saved”? Instead of being able to see out their last few months with family etc., they ended up isolated.
  
  Would you rather be locked up in your room for the last few months of your life in order to extend it by maybe a month (on average) or would you rather life your final months to the full even if it means popping off a few weeks earlier (on average)?
  
  And for anyone else, it was a terrible deal – especially for the generation who are living with the debt.
  
  That debt is going to be harder and harder to service as the people who have mobile skills take them overseas. The brain drain has already started and it is only going to get worse from here.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:38am
- oldfella
  
  artemisia: that pink-haired harridan, perhaps?
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:57am
- Clownworld
  
  Listen to Ardern’s consummate lies.
  
  Mentioned to me…not official transcript
  On their calculation…so if wrong don’t blame me was acting on their advice…
  Give or take ( any number will do) could be 0or 10,000?
  Possibly ….gate wide open was just a conversatoon and an approximate guess…all based on political science at the time…
  
  Such a complete liar.
  Her biggest lie was not that she said she never lies.
  
  It is that she lies to herself so much that she has lost the ability to examine herself objectively and is deceived by the image in her head of herself and not the reality of her actions upon others.
  
  About as self aware as Treadau Clouseau, the black faced costume changer.
  
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  March 21, 2022 1:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  But, of course, those Grannies will still die. They’re old, you see.
  
  Will Jacinda stand up & take responsibility each time one of them dies?
  
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  March 21, 2022 1:28pm
- Jim
  
  I’m looking forward to our benevolent Government allowing a Royal Commission to assess the Government’s response and especially public money spent.
  But most importantly also count the irreparable collateral damage to communities and peoples lives through outcomes like: businesses going under, jobs lost, people unable to see dying relatives, families separated by MIQ border controls, and societal harm like suicide and mental health impacts caused by fear, discrimination and harassment…..the list goes on.
  
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  March 21, 2022 6:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

He will not be silenced, he is coming back.
https://thepatriotjournal.com/trump-6-leaders-rinos/?
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March 21, 2022 8:03am
- Matt Long
  
  Interesting that every senior politicians in the USA has negative ratings.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I bet De Santa’s hasn’t, but let’s guess, they did not do his favourables.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:25am
- bjools
  
  He has it wrong on one point….
  It is Nancy Pelosi (not Kevin McCathy) and Mitch McConnel)
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:07am
Matt Long

https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-03-13
Dilbert cartoon on how to find the truth, trusting the experts isn’t a great strategy, nor doing your own research which I regards as better.
Follow the money is generally a good strategy and using shortcuts like is the person normally a lying sack of spuds, can yeild early good conclusions.
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March 21, 2022 8:05am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The best scientific opinion money can buy.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The speaker of the house had play school TV1 on the idiot box this morning.
Jaspinda announces that she will be making an announcement Wednesday morning. That gives her two days to turn it all into word soup waffle.
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March 21, 2022 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hell, it was a fluffy waffle on Morning Report today..
  
  Did the PM answer as to why the news that unvaxxed NZers can enter the country without going through MIQ wasn’t announced?
  
  No way…..
  
  Did Suzie Ferguson demand an answer to her question.?
  
  No way…
  
  just waffle, waffle, waffle…
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018834982/covid-19-jacinda-ardern-on-vaccine-mask-mandates
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:10am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The government wants to blame everybody but themselves.
  
  Are their any adults left in the building?
  
  And there we have it an announcement that there will be an announcement.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:13am
  - G152
    
    Well they bought the media so theres little to no chance of them being held accountable apart from the Net.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Keeping us in suspense, also known as keeping herself in front of the cameras
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:39am
- Scott
  
  Steve Otto – doesn’t it get tiresome these meetings and announcements to come? The media have been telling us for some time there will be a cabinet meeting on Monday and an announcement on Wednesday. This is to build up tension. What will Jacinda do? Will she finally release us from the red light lockdown? It’s so good for ratings and so good for government exposure and getting people to tune in to the press conference on Wednesday.
  
  But I would like a government that actually gets the heck out of the way. Just give us our freedom back. And let New Zealanders get on with it. We could be a great prosperous little country. But we have socialist control freaks in charge who keep wanting to lock us down. For our own good of course.
  
  We want freedom. The protest in Wellington was about freedom. Even here in little old Masterton they are protesting because they want freedom.
  
  What do we want? Freedom! When do we want it? Now!!
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think the red light will be all the way up until they get crushed in 2023
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      No, our most glorious leader will soon offer a boon and allow her subjects to meet in groups of 50.
      
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      March 21, 2022 8:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Even her loyal subjects are over her.
        
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        March 21, 2022 9:57am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I don’t believe so Steve Otto as Ed Sheeran is touring NZ and she will want him to sing at the wedding as he offered. Agreed she will be crushed the very next time we get to vote.
      
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      March 21, 2022 9:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What wedding? Canceled means canceled, I know she is thick and probably means postponed, but she said canceled.
        
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        March 21, 2022 9:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is going to be just awesome to see her resign, just as Clark and Cullen did.
        They won’t have to empty the cupboard, it is already empty
        
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        March 21, 2022 10:21am
      - oldfella
        
        Stellaboxer: the only mention of the wedding changes of plans came from Cindy who said it simply ‘wouldn’t go ahead’.
        If someone could actually find ClarkE, it would be really interesting to hear his take on it.
        
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        March 21, 2022 11:03am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I think ClarkE might have already resigned
        
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        March 21, 2022 1:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NeverMindTheBollocks, further down at 1.31pm:
        Let’s just say someone is watching Jethro very closely
        
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        March 21, 2022 2:23pm
  - tui47
    
    Jacinda governs by PR and polling. Even in crisis her decisions are made by the PR ‘manual’.
    
    There is no way she would not be considering removal/end date of mandates if the protests had not occurred and her polling had not slipped.
    
    In fact the drop in polling maybe worse in their eyes than we think because since the One News Kantar Poll it has been announcement, spin, speech, public appearance, interviews etc.
    
    I just wish she would go away. She is the worst possible thing that could happen to NZ ever. I can’t stand seeing her face yet everywhere I go I cannot avoid seeing it.
    
    The fact is that NZ under National would have followed the border closure of Australia and would have locked down at the beginning. Instead we would have seen a balance of human rights, economic concerns and the effects of the virus. Yes, many grannies would have died along with the obese but perhaps the long term effects would have been reduced.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, snd even after last Mondays poll she doubled down on. Wednesday, but they get internals on Wednesday night, discuss on Thursday, then when she woke from her weekend slumber, she was all oh crisis, oh petrol is too high, oh mandates, one can only think the internal poll was more like the Morgan poll with Labour at 32%
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:02am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, those grannies & obese that were saved in 2020/2021 have by now met their maker. Wait for the excess deaths to grow over the coming months.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought her crisis decisions were made after advice from flaky socialists in London?
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:25pm
- Simon
  
  These delayed & pending announcements, when they have already made up their minds, is to give the cattle the impression these clowns are working so hard.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Said elsewhere: It giver her two days to turn facts into word soup waffle
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:42am
  - tui47
    
    Of course. JA has to post fake ‘working’ images on instagram/facebook. An staged working image of Jacinda wrinkling her forehead as she stares at her cellphone, another of her setting up work, with a pen/paper on the (oh so humble – isn’t she like us!) ironing board in her hotel room.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Just like her Trudy g up Cadrona waving her arms furiously cause no rabid protesters up there, I hear she did have to put up with protests outside her hotel, and at coronet peak, but media silence for dictator
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:05am
  - Paulus
    
    It is normal that Cindy and her close cohorts decide what to do in her office, and she will tell the Cabinet what she has decided in the usual way.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Count the number of flippity-flops this Government has made during its latest Covid-response.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/richard-prebble-it-is-going-to-be-a-landslide-defeat-for-labour
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March 21, 2022 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mad Dog is still going strong – good boy
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:08am
  - Yabster
    
    I see Boag commented on there- attacking Prebble- but no comment on the article- sticking with the Marxist agenda lol
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:39am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  A simple question for question time in the house.
  
  Does the Prime Minister stand by all her public statements?
  
  Supplemental question.
  
  Start at the beginning and watch it unravel. There is no shortage of contradictions.
  
  Chances are that jacinda would not front up for question time.
  
  Mallard would carry-on bring the house into disrepute.
  
  The media will talk about anything but, what colour should the slide be in the parliamentary playground.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:22am
- Philview
  
  I hope you are right. I wouldn’t bet against a media lovefest next year in the run up to the election. Jacinda saved 5000 lives and we don’t know who they are. It might have been you Maggy! She is as cunning as they come.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The slide will prob end up rainbow
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:27am
surfing

Ha, yesterday I complained about the government’s ridiculous road to 0 advertising, and that they should put the tens of thousands it must have cost into actual roads.

Well, someone was listening to me…but it is even worse, they’ve spent 2.4 million dollars on BS advertising…..I really hate this kind of government waste, because it is so in your face….

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/greg-murphy-road-safety-advocate-says-the-2-4-million-used-for-the-first-road-to-zero-ad-would-ve-been-better-used-finding-solutions-to-issues-on-roads/
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March 21, 2022 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  All that taxpayer money being flushed into advertising is simply more cash to the Media Industry .Just under a different heading. The media knows it , the regime knows it , but do taxpayers recognise it for what it is.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You could even call it ‘money laundering?’
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I completely agree.
  There is a place for government advertising that provides useful information and/or encourages behavioural change. The ‘road to zero’ and the three waters ads did neither.
  One of the problems with the public service is the concentration on branding and marketing when you create a multitude of fiefdoms dedicated to doing their own thing. One result is that people working in those organisations make the mistake of conflating their organisation’s identity with its purpose. In other words, promoting NZTA is not the same as promoting road safety.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, do you know the difference between advertising and propaganda? Thought not. Both are trying to get the public to agree with the narrative, and vote for that narrative
    
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    March 21, 2022 2:28pm
- pdm
  
  surfing are you Greg Murphy because that is almost verbatim what he has been quoted as saying.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:33am
  - surfing
    
    Greg Murphy far better looking and much richer than I 🙂
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:37am
- fisho
  
  It’s not even advertising, it’s propaganda. Advertising is selling something or at the very least letting people know how they can influence an outcome. This from the NZTA’s own website relating to the cringeworthy ads with the two kids and the wigged muppet with the clipboard:
  “We want to raise awareness of the work Waka Kotahi and local authorities are doing to make our roads safer through setting safe speeds and increase understanding on why it’s important to ensure speed limits match the road, and how it’s used.”
  Bollocks, I say!
  
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  March 21, 2022 1:26pm
kowtow

I’m very encouraged by the article in the Ferald today by gang “expert” J Gilbert that the gangs have their own rules for their road power displays and as long as I don’t do anything ” crazy” , indeed perhaps even “if you can do so safely move over just a little & give them a bit more space to pass, all motorcyclists – even the wild looking ones- appreciate that ”
And ” the only aggression I’ve seen ocurred after car drivers did something crazy that endangered the riders”

So there you have it , not just a sociology expert but driving one too.

It’s almost a metaphor for what the new New Zealand has become . Huge, public displays of criminal power , but leave them alone and you’ll be right , mate .

Fertile ground for the Opposition .
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March 21, 2022 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Is J Gilbert Coster the Imposter in drag/disguise?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:36am
- Rusty
  
  This J Gilbert a so-called gang ‘expert’ sounds like an apologist for the gangs in this country.
  
  He never offers any solutions or condemns their unlawful actions and to top it off, tells the public to show respect to them on the roads and on our streets, or suffer the consequences.
  
  Its the other way around buddy.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:02am
Nukuleka

Every day when ‘covid deaths’ are announced by the MOH we are told that no details will be given out of respect for the families. Surely the public also has a right to know how much covid actually contributed to these deaths. Is there not data available so that an analysis can be done to determine just how many people have in fact died from covid rather than with covid? If there is where can it be accessed?
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March 21, 2022 8:16am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You can draw an accurate conclusion by focusing on what it is they’re not telling us. If they had died of Covid you can be sure they’d be trumpeting it.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:22am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s mis and disinformation and they learned it from experience in foreign parts .
    
    Can’t trust them at all , they’re taking us down a rabbit hole and sadly all too many happy to go.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lies by omission, Jaspinda is an expert at it
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:54am
ClanMcleod

So two days in a row the mainstream media are prepping us for the inevitable announcement that mandates and vax passes will be pushed back, but “kept in the toolbox”. The very least they can do. But two days in a row one of the jack in the box resident “experts” pops up to tell the world that this is a bad idea. Yesterday it was that annoying prick Baker, today it was that even more annoying prick Jackson.
Worse still, Jackson is lying when he claims:
“Epidemiologist professor Rod Jackson said if you were double vaccinated then you were much less likely to transmit or get the virus. He thought New Zealand was probably at the peak of the Omicron pandemic and it was two to four weeks too early to reduce any public health measures including mandates that help stop infections and the speed of which the virus spreads.”

Jackson is either a complete and utter idiot or a complete and utter liar. Either way, his opinions shouldn’t be allowed near the public.
Here’s the latest evidence of vaccines causing negative efficacy. This evidence is now irrefutable.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/20/vaccine-effectiveness-hits-as-low-as-minus-300-as-ukhsa-announces-it-will-no-longer-publish-the-data/

They won’t publish the data because it isn’t telling the story they want it to. This has been a major screw up and it is going to get worse. Vaccination has done nothing positive. Nothing.
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March 21, 2022 8:18am
- Colville
  
  Jackson is either a complete and utter idiot or a complete and utter liar.
  
  Its not an A or B answer, its C. C = Both.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nothing yo be scared about (sarc)
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:27am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Save us from hired gun “expert” opinions.
  
  As an unvaccinated covid survivor, to the best of my knowledge I have not passed it on to anyone.
  
  I caught it from my vaccinated wife, her caught it from her vaccinated staff, who caught it from a vaccinated customer.
  
  This is very definitely a pandemic of the vaccinated.
  
  The laugh is we did it to ourselves.
  
  Well the economic and social crisis we have created is far from funny.
  
  But we did do it to ourselves.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘X’ is the unknown quantity, and ‘spurt’ is a drip under pressure
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:59am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Speaking of Jacksons, Willie Jackson has had a crack at Jake Tame on Twitter after Tame dared make a negative comment about Labour and the PM over the weekend.
  
  https://twitter.com/WillieJLabour/status/1505394120726319104
  
  Isn’t is great who the Left loves free speech?
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:32am
  - Swifty
    
    Jackson is one to talk about rich mates.
    
    He, personally, has amassed millions over the last decade or two on the back of the NZ taxpayer.
    
    After all, in his circles it’s not what you know, it’s who you know.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:46am
    - Yabster
      
      Champagne socialists mate – one rule for the plebs and one rule for us.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What’s it got to do with little Willie? For once Tame was right, she is doing things cause polls.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:29am
    - Nickc2
      
      Hey Willie, you’re not short of a shackle either are you? You weren’t peddling your Marxist Doctrine on some 3rd rate Radio Station for Peanuts eh?
      
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      March 21, 2022 12:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most unusual from Tame, but I guess even bad publicity is still publicity.
      Maybe it is all yet another diversion???
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:39pm
- pdm
  
  `Rod Jackson said if you were double vaccinated then you were much less likely to transmit or get the virus. ‘
  
  I say heifer dust to that. Daughter double vaxxed and with booster now has covid – probably from Thursday last week.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Jackson should not be allowed to spout such blatant lies. It is disgusting how much money has been spent on narrative control by this government.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:57am
  - tui47
    
    I got it from a vaccinated/boostered daughter who got it from vaxed/boostered boyfriend – he got it of vaxed workmates. I am tripled vaxed. All three of us become quite ill after our boosters – so definitely had an immune response.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tell that to Blofeld, and watch him dance
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:41pm
- Tricati
  
  It appears Jackson is the ‘go too’ friendly idiot to promote the governments BS now, as haven’t heard from Hendy in weeks.
  Have to wonder if he’s the ‘expert’ that reckons Ardern saved 5000 lives – Lets see who fronts to justify that crap.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nope, he is the nasty racist bully wheeled out yo scare sheeple
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Disagree with him and see what he does – every bloody time
      
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      March 21, 2022 2:42pm
  - kowtow
    
    he was in virtual ecstasy on the radio during the gang driven drug pushing delta outbreak.
    
    The very people spreading it he wanted recruited “on board” or some such anything it takes approach .
    
    No question of demanding they obey the law to prevent such spread in the first place , you know like the rest of decent society.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:38am
- glowworm
  
  How much are these ‘experts’ being paid?
  
  Has anyone looked at what government funding is going towards these clowns?
  
  https://themariachiyears.substack.com/p/clown-world
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:16am
graham

So mayoral hopeful Leo Molloy has got his name in the paper for suggesting that Auckland City install a sprinkler system in Fort Street to spray “the losers and the ratbags and the drug addicts and the alcoholics” with water to stop them congregating there.

This suggestion has been referred to as “inhumane”.

And around five years ago, when such a system was deployed by ACG Senior School and some businesses, it too was called “inhumane and draconian”.

Hmm. Who else do we know who, just a few weeks ago, turned on some sprinklers in an effort to disperse some people who many would no doubt refer to as “losers”? Does anybody remember the howls of outrage from prominent people back then, the protests against Trevor Mallard using “inhumane and draconian” measures? Did Jacinda “be kind” Ardern give Mr Mallard a stern telling-off for employing such measures?

Didn’t think so.
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March 21, 2022 8:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Smart ones just put road cones over the water jets. Let’s face it, there is no shortage of cones
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:03am
  - Clownworld
    
    Attack of the Cones
    
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    March 21, 2022 1:19pm
- alloytoo
  
  I would suggest that the City play Ardern’s interviews with Hoskings through loud speakers.
  
  Ummm aaaaaah I refute that ummm
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:13pm
Ford Prefect

Watching the cricket yesterday it was like a hark back to the eighties.
200 is a par score.
The bowling felt like Gavin Larson at one end and Chris Harris at the other.
A forward defensive shot for 0 was well regarded.
50 overs feels like a very long match.
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March 21, 2022 8:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  Doesn’t help when half the team hate the other half of the team. There is a culture cancer in the NZ women’s team and on the world’s biggest stage we are seeing that borne out.
  
  As for the cricket outside of the Australian women skills, technique and ticker seem to be lacking.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:51am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    Agreed. The Australians are more what I was expecting from an international team. The rest are woeful and unwatchable
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:03am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Who was playing? The Black Caps?
  
  Or are you referring to the womans cricket? If womans cricket then more fool you watching second tier sport -it is a vastly inferior entertainment product compared to the mens game…
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:10am
Inandout

This morning’s radio ad for ‘boosters’ is almost completely spoken in Maori family terms. Do they not realise Maori is rarely spoken by Maori people and even less understand the language?
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March 21, 2022 8:27am
- graham
  
  It’s just silly, isn’t it? If people want to use the Maori language then fine … but not when you’re running ads for what we have been told is a crisis, a pandemic, and a “really bad thing”.
  
  Surely, when you’re talking about something that is of critical importance, and it’s vital that you get the information across to the maximum number of people in the most efficient way possible … that is the time to throw all such pretentious behaviour out the window and use language that the most people will understand. Which, whether these people like it or not, is English.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:57am
- kowtow
  
  For years we’ve heard of broadcasters ( or in NZ as pronounced badly , boardcasters , the r is silent ) telling us disdainfully how they were trained in so called received English , in order to do it proper , and ackually , imho quite rightly .
  
  This was a reverse snobbery by these broadcasters at what was a professional standard .
  
  Now in a new twist to the old story , we have a new received ‘English’ , only it’s not English , it’s Pidgeon . And it’s not only state boardcasters ( silent r) , it’s advertisers too . Perhaps wanting to be seen to be doing their part of their contractual obligations to “protect treaty principles” .
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:03am
- Ehlana
  
  I’m guessing this was on an English language station? New Zealand must be the only country on Earth where government departments can’t tell which language a media platform uses and send them the right language version of a message.
  
  It’s the sort of thing you would expect to see on a “You only had one job” site on the internet.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Doesn’t matter. The goal is to prop up the media, not to inform.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:09am
- artemisia
  
  New Zealand Broadcasting school – NZBS.com. I rest my case.
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:23am
- alloytoo
  
  If it’s the one I’ve heard, then it’s pidgin gibberish.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:15pm
Tony Stuart

The woman who ran down five people at Westfield Manukau yesterday was arrested, and will appear in court today charged with “driving offences”.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/20/woman-arrested-after-allegedly-driving-into-pedestrians-at-manukau-mall/

Interestingly, she was kept in custody overnight, which seems unusual for mere “driving offences”, even those which result in serious injury or worse. Is there something we’re not being told?
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March 21, 2022 8:30am
- G152
  
  With this government and this compliant media you can bet your life.
  London Bridge any-one ???????
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:34am
- pdm
  
  Pale, stale, middle class female perhaps Inv.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:43am
Maggie Pie

bOObie of the day ……

“You’re with NewsTalk ZB. It’s 25 to 6”

– Rachel Smalley (Today FM)

LOL!!!!
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March 21, 2022 8:36am
- Tricati
  
  Lets face it, Smalley isn’t the sharpest tool in shed as she once worked for Twyford at Kiwi Build – That was a real winner wasn’t it. (sarc)
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:05am
cmm

It isn’t often that a company makes more sales, and more profit, the worse their product works.

Yet somehow Pfizer’s juice has become the most profitable drug/medicine ever.

How about a slightly different deal: Pfizer gives year long guarantee on their jab. If people require boosters etc, then the complete cost of administering a booster is then Pfizer’s: cost of product, shipping, administering, advertising, KFC vouchers, the works.
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March 21, 2022 8:37am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Consumer Guarantees Act was waived for Pfizer.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:48am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    And you could add Fair Trading Act based on product description.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:51am
  - kowtow
    
    So was the constitution.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:06am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      ✔✔
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:58am
    - mawm
      
      And common sense, along with the principles and practice of medicine.
      
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      March 21, 2022 1:19pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Phizer have just taken on the model that worked so well for Perdu Pharma with Oxycotin. Tell people how well it will work (knowing that isn;t the case) and when it fails to live up to your promises tell people you just need more of what didn’t work at ever reducing intervals. Soon St Ashley will tell you that you need a daily booster.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:19am
Maggie Pie

Pot – Kettle – Black ?

One of the girls at tennis was telling us even Willie Jackson’s CV is over $5 mill

https://twitter.com/WillieJLabour/status/1505394120726319104
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March 21, 2022 8:53am
- artemisia
  
  Dear Maggie Pie, when is the next episode of the hot cross bun saga. Serious, it’s hot cross fun and one of the most practical KB series.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:02am
Lee C

From The Hatchard Report Today:
“New Zealand Takes the Fifth
As you probably know, ‘taking the fifth’ is an American expression which refers to the fifth amendment of the US constitution. When asked a question you are allowed to remain silent if answering it will incriminate yourself.

People who ‘take the fifth’ in court are generally considered by the public to be guilty even if the court cannot muster enough evidence to obtain a conviction. They may even continue to profess their innocence outside the courtroom, but they will not be believed.

We are asking a lot of questions of our government, but not receiving many answers. Has Parliament decided to ‘take the fifth?

The curious lack of public dialogue, the refusal to meet protestors, and Ardern’s famous dictum that ‘the government is your only source of truth’, all point in this direction.

I would like to ask:

“When did the New Zealand government first receive the Pfizer Adverse effects report completed on 30th April 2021?”

The Victorian government has publicly admitted that they received it early on. Our government has remained silent. Among my follow up questions:

Considering the volume of adverse events and deaths following mRNA vaccination reported by Pfizer, why did you continue to tell the New Zealand public it was completely safe?”

https://hatchardreport.com/new-zealand-takes-the-fifth/
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March 21, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “I refude that” is the same as the 5th.
  No reason, no excuse, just like a naughty kid
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:08am
info@cruzpro.com

Did I get this right? The government announced that as of last Friday all New Zealand citizens can enter the country without going into MIQ or self isolating irregardless of vaccination status. Only a negative test within 24 hours required.

From the Air New Zealand website last updated four days ago “You will need to show your International Vaccine Certificate to board an Air New Zealand international flight”.

What am I missing?
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March 21, 2022 9:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Airlines can set their own rules. No different to most companies (other than cafes etc, which must follow vaxx pass requirements).
  
  Emirates for one does not require a vaccine. Nor does Singapore Airlines, though the latter requires a PCR before travel.
  
  Air NZ – you’re losing future customers by your stance.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:00am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Small correction.
    Singapore airlines requires what Destination/transit governments require.
    
    Ergo a RAT test and vax pass to board Singapore airlines heading for NZ
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:05pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Air NZ is now controlled by the government. Cindy changed rules to look good. But behind the scenes doesn’t let the rules kick in. Simple.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:09pm
- RoboRob
  
  Probably AirNZ can’t keep up with the pace of the changes of the ‘science’. I pity the agencies who have to spin on a dime each time JA goes on tv and says something different to yesterday.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:23am
- Ehlana
  
  The usual obfuscation of this government?
  
  I believe the “announcement” consisted of an unheralded change to a website over the weekend. So I doubt anyone in government bothered to alert Air NZ.
  
  Though I note one government department worker did come in over the weekend so that the little girl born of a surrogate, whose mother died before her birth, could receive a birth certificate with her Mum’s name on it. See, this government is kind and can accomplish something.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:24am
- mandk
  
  I wrote to Air NZ about this yesterday.
  
  I’ll share the response if I get one.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:32am
- Paulus
  
  I understood that this applied only to New Zealand CITIZENS which does not include Visa holders ?
  Am I wrong ?
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are missing the deliberate ‘lies by omission’ from the Govt. They side shifted the responsibility onto Air NZ and Qantas.
  “I can’t help it if Airlines have different rules to mine” or something.
  Cunning as a shithouse mouse. (downgraded from rat, things are getting hot in this kitchen)
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:57pm
Rusty

It is bucketing down in Auckland right now.

Can anyone remind me, are there still water restrictions in Auckland?

I haven’t recalled any announcements in recent times, telling Aucklanders that our dams are full or not or that there are water restrictions or not.

It’s like water care has given up saying anything about our water supply.
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March 21, 2022 9:07am
- Ehlana
  
  They may not have any co-governance people yet to tell them what to say.
  
  (Please put your hot drink down before reading the next sentence.)
  
  BTW, if Maori do get “royalties” for water (the assumed purpose of 3 Waters), will they pay the bill for water damage?
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:27am
  - Matt Long
    
    Of course they’ll pay for flood damage, that’s the way graft, corruption and blackmail always works.
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:10am
  - Nickc2
    
    There’ll be no money in the account when required. Someone’s cuzzie musta borrowed it eh!
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:21pm
- alloytoo
  
  I suspect they cannot find an affordable advertising slot on the radio.
  
  All taken by the MOP.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:20pm
bjools

I have watched several you tube videos lately, that have been (annoyingly) interrupted by Jacinda Ardern advertizing herself and the Labour Party.
Anyone know if Labour paid for this? or did we pay for it via the PM’s fund (or some other tax payer funded rort?)
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March 21, 2022 9:13am
- cmm
  
  Time to get an ad blocker.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:47am
  - Inandout
    
    Doesn’t work on YT unless you hand over a monthly ‘ad free fee’.
    
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    March 21, 2022 9:56am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Change your browser to Brave.
      
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      March 21, 2022 10:59am
    - curry4me
      
      It does with Brave. No ads on YT.
      
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      March 21, 2022 3:07pm
  - RoboRob
    
    But then you won’t know how much govt money is being wasted on stupid adverts!
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    Update your Hosts file to include Google adservers redirecting the to Limbo.
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I bet we paid
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:41am
- curry4me
  
  Use the Brave browser. It has a built in ad-blocker.
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:06pm
- glowworm
  
  Use a VPN provider and App on your phone. I use NordVPN. Purchased a 3 year plan a couple of years ago.
  
  With the VPN on, instead of Cindy’s constant propaganda, you get semi-interesting overseas ads. Basically every other country is better than NZ.
  
  Worth every cent. Not sure I’d cope with out it!
  
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  March 21, 2022 5:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ education has a literacy problem

* The performance of both primary and secondary school students has been declining in most reliable measures of reading achievement, especially since 2009. In recent years, not only has Aotearoa New Zealand’s reading achievement declined faster than in comparable countries, but the
proportion of students achieving at the highest levels in reading has also decreased.

* The few reliable studies of writing achievement indicate that large numbers of Aotearoa New Zealand children have significant issues with writing, and that these issues are getting worse over time.

* Persistently large gaps remain between students from different socioeconomic backgrounds,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/463704/now-i-don-t-know-my-abc-report-exposes-crisis-in-literacy

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21454621/literacy-report.pdf
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March 21, 2022 9:18am
- Ehlana
  
  Why do they need to be able to read and write Maggy?
  
  Everything they need to know will be told to them from the Podium of Truth.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tune in for your daily control (soon to be 24/7)
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    March 21, 2022 3:14pm
- cmm
  
  I wonder how much of this is down to demographic changes and how much is down to crap teaching.
  
  As the more traditional NZ population breeds less and the people with a history of poor performance breed more, it is inevitable that we have a demographic shift in NZ schools that could be blamed for part of this shift.
  
  There certainly has also been a shift in teaching – avoiding stuff which is hard (ie. the 3 Rs, science etc) and replacing it with stuff that is easy and/or fun (get your NCEA in mountain biking or scuba diving). Most of that can be laid at the feet of the education system (teachers, etc).
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:46am
  - surfing
    
    It is an absolute disaster for the coming decades.
    
    A country must have productivity growth to drive living standard improvements.
    
    And, education drives productivity growth.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:18am
  - RoboRob
    
    Crap teaching. The other thing is that the generation taught ‘it’s not the spelling or gramma that is important its the content’ is now leaving university and teaching the next generation. We are reaping the seeds sown a generation ago.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Muphry’s Law strikes again.
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:20pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Speaking of the education system, this young lady is clearly not a product of the Canadian system. She’s obviously done the research into the workings of the financial system. Her understanding is impressive.
    
    https://gab.com/BeachMilk/posts/107987398556201674
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Soon the only requirement to learning with be the kid/student/adult, to be able to operate a keyboard/pad.
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:16pm
- surfing
  
  The education system is clearly systemically racist so we must separate maori and white students and let maori run their own schooling system.
  
  50 billion startup cost, plus another 10 billion a year should do it.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    Umm, I know you were being facetious but you deal realise that all that has already happened. We have separatist schools run for Maori by Maori already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura_Kaupapa_M%C4%81ori). We already spent / spend the money. These schools are a ‘great success’. Not academically of course but that’s not what school is for, they really are great culturally.
    
    Remember separatism in South Africa and the USA = Bad. Separatism in NZ = good. This makes senses when your qualifications are Law degrees or communications. If anyone in labour studied History or Economics, NZ would be a better place.
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:34am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      The wife and I did some volunteer work at the local Whangarei Maori girls school. It seemed to be well run but we both noticed significant differences in the girl’s capabilities. My ex-teacher wife believes the differences could be explained by interviewing their parents.
      
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      March 21, 2022 12:37pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Too much Screen time and not enough reading of books
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is why books have been burnt, and even historical statues removed.
    Easy to force propaganda via an optical screen
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:19pm
- kowtow
  
  The education “system” is now setting up broad swathes of children to fail. Literally.
  This will lead to increased poverty and all manner of other societal disfunction.
  
  This can and should be laid squarely at the feet of officialdom , the dept , lazy parents ( if they’re even there) .
  
  This could have been her nuclear moment , but no the weather .
  
  She , her supporters and all who share in this are simply appalling. They don’t care about children or poverty . I’ll leave it at that.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The children WILL fail, unless they conform to socialist/communist/marxist CONTROL.
    That is the plan.
    No, not satire/sarc
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:22pm
- Matt Long
  
  That’s so odd about falling education standards, when Chippy deep sixed Charter Schools he promised education standards would be increased for all schools under Labour so Charter Schools were redundant. Surely our teacher unions who care deeply for our children ensured this happened?
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:15am
I remember when

Newshub Nation: Stuart Nash:
“Decisions will be made Monday.”
“We have kept our nation safe for the last two years.”
He noted that 40% of tourists are Australian and their tourism is more short term. This will allow a balanced approach to re-opening he suggests.
Visa processing delays – “No, not at all.”
They are ‘working very closely with Cruise ship industry’ because of the difference between arrivals by plane and ship.
A negative test can be ensured before they get on the plane and many/most airlines insist on one.
Global supply chain issues, according to everything he has read, will ‘come off’ in 6-12 months.
“Slow burn” – 4 to 5 years to return to normal.

So there you have it – the government has everything under control, nothing to see here.
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March 21, 2022 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  Nash fled Hosking’s show because he ran out of BS.
  
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  March 21, 2022 9:58am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Mash will make a super Prime Minister when he takes over from St Jacinda.
  He has all the attributes: bluster, conceit, arrogance (undisguised in his case), take-it-or leave it authority, cunning, no respect for the ordinary people and no class.
  What more could we want as our leaders?
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The way he is going, he will be lucky to keep his seat, remembering of course that the lovely young Katie Nimon reduced his margin significantly, the only Labour seat to get a reduced margin
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:44am
Yvette

In this morning’s first comment here on General Debate, Warren links to a “news” item that accounts for Jacinda Ardern’s flip on the cost of living crisis, from it not existing about a week ago, to now being a “perfect storm” that she will save us from by slashing the Government own excise tax.

but, as an extra, the item adds at its end –

… Ardern told the radio station even though the Government had to make some tough decisions in their COVID response, she can look back on them knowing she had saved lives.
“One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take, possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done,” she said. [1]

See? – a vague “expert” calculation, becomes, in the last paragraph, a concrete fact –

“So in those moments, I think of that. Now those 5000 people, they don’t know who they are. “They don’t know that it was them that has been potentially protected by these measures. But I just keep that in my mind. It’s been hard but the flipside would have been even more painful [1]

A saviour is self-conceived – Jacinda d’Arc – in her mind, but before your eyes in black and white on a media website page.
I predict – yeah, even prophesy – the saving of the 5,000 will become an established fact in next year’s Election slogans and blurbs.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-she-can-see-the-light-as-new-zealand-deals-with-wicked-perfect-storm-cost-of-living-crisis.html
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March 21, 2022 9:30am
- Rich Prick
  
  I suppose 80,000 grannies sounded too good to be true, but 5,000 sounds silly too. My guess (hey, everyone is an “expert”) is 5.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:00am
  - tui47
    
    From my experience of having a grannies/elderly ladies (the men never lasted that long) in a rest home, death is seen as a reprieve. We (and they I expect) were relieved that the pain was over.
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:27pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I hope some-one asks the PM the following questions,
  Who the critical advisers she mentioned are,
  and which specific advisor gave her those numbers. And then how was that information coveyed to the PM.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:17am
  - graham
    
    Let’s add in another question. Ms Ardern claims that “Possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done.” I presume that means, “saved from Covid”.
    
    What about those people who suffer from some affliction other than Covid?
    
    How many people, Prime Minister, have had their lives shortened by being unable to access medical treatment or tests, for conditions other than Covid? How many people, Prime Minister, will be suffering from a condition that could have been prevented if it had been caught in time?
    
    How many people have had their quality of life worsened by being forbidden to access medical treatment? How many people, Prime Minister, have issues such as anxiety and nervous conditions that have been brought on by the incessant doom and gloom?
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:37am
  - Swifty
    
    *And exactly how was the figure of 5000 arrived at and does it net off the lives lost caused by our Covid response?
    
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    March 21, 2022 10:49am
- Paulus
  
  Remember how Joan D’Arc finished up at her own people’s hands.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:40am
  - Yvette
    
    Paulus – Remember how Joan D’Arc finished up
    
    Yes – but I would think just a little heat to the feet, not the whole deal
    
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    March 21, 2022 11:29am
- kowtow
  
  No lives were “saved”.
  
  Simply displaced mortality .
  
  But the Teddy Bear Shrinist , Plague of St Jabinda Cult acolytes wouldn’t understand that , too complicated .
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:49am
  - RichardX
    
    Irrefutable logic. No life has ever been saved because we all die eventually.//
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sort of making targets/goals variable, depending on the mood of the day/hour.
  How many houses, how many trees, how petrol price is the fault of …….
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, I missed the important Labour Political Tool – the roving decimal point. When Labour use that tool, they show how stupid the rabid left are
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:29pm
Maggie Pie

The beauty of having an internal garage and an underground carpark, is that even thunder & lightening doesn’t worry you. It’s piss*ng down!!
Just speaking to my partner at his office. He was actually quite concerned this morning about those greenies he drove past waiting at Bus Stops and cycling into the city.
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March 21, 2022 9:31am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. He didn’t drive close to the curb and give the hippies a free shower then?
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:05am
I remember when

It will not be long before they start complaining about people from less affluent suburbs spoiling the neighbourhood.
Porirua shows signs of business rebound:
The local economy grew by 7.6% for the last three months of 2021, according to Infrometrics, with the local economy outperforming the national average of 5.5%.
Unemployment was at 4.1%, a ten year low, with employment rising by nearly 3%.
Nearly 29,000, of the population of 61,900, are in employment.
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March 21, 2022 9:44am
Maggie Pie

Googled it. The next ‘Diwali Festival’ in Auckland isn’t until 25 October.

We’ve never thort about going before. Might this year. Looks exciting 😀

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1505544698525589504
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March 21, 2022 9:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, it will surely be cancelled like Fieldays was. In the latter’s case we can’t have farmers gathering in such numbers and passing on ‘mad cow’s disease’.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:01am
- Ehlana
  
  Fortunately, you will be disappointed Maggie Pie. Unless you’re as fond of food as your last name suggests.
  
  The last widely celebrated Hindi festival was the Holi festival, called Festival of Colours in the west. But, of course, Hindis here is Auckland could not celebrate it due to our Covid response. And they couldn’t celebrate Diwali last year in Auckland for the same reason.
  
  But hey, some critical adviser from the science community who the PM knows says that saved 5000 lives.
  
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  March 21, 2022 10:44am
- alloytoo
  
  Where I grew up Diwali used to sound like an artillery battle across the valley.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:25pm
- curry4me
  
  I’ve been to one in Christchurch. It was cool. Bring cash, and sample all the nice Indian food on offer.
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:16pm
Northshoredoc

Past NZ Labour party general secretary continues to shill for Russia.

https://thestandard.org.nz/who-pays-the-price-of-sanctions/

‘One thing you can say about Russian diplomats headed by the incomparable Sergei Lavrov is that they are very competent. They want to bring this war to an end.’
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March 21, 2022 10:04am
- cjn
  
  The only sensible thing that Ms Ardern has done as PM in my opinion is to send $2million to the Red Cross for humanitarian aid to Ukraine. So much better than sanctions on Russia or expelling the Russian Ambassador. The Americans (or this Administration) are sending more weapons to Ukraine which will prolong the war and increase the number of deaths on both sides. Both sides should be negotiating. Both sides have some right on their side and they are neighbours who must live at peace with each other. At this stage all that is happening is that the weapons are increasingly lethal and the death tolls are rising.
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $2M will never reach those in need. Red Cross is the same as all the rest of do-gooders, Admin costs come first.
    So, people will refude that. Forget Goggle and try Duckduckgo. Serious, try it
    
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    March 21, 2022 3:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That must be a convenient story to tell yourself : “I don’t give to charities because they are all corrupt”. you
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:17pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Are the Russians sending weapons into Ukraine? Or giving them to their supporters there? Doesn’t that also prolong the war and increase the number of deaths?
    
    If the west had not sent weapons, if the Ukrainians had already run out and had to surrender, what sort of “negotiating” would be happening now?
    
    Both sides may well have valid complaints about the behaviour of the other, but Russia chose war over negotiation. That doesn’t really leave Ukraine with much option besides trying to defend itself, with whatever resources it can get its hands on.
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:11pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Negotiations were done 8 years ago. It was called the Minsk Agreement. The Ukrainians have been violating all aspects of this agreement every year since. This is why Russia invaded. I don’t think it’s a good thing, but it’s why they did it.
      Ukraine chose to ignore the agreement they signed in 2014. Probably because they are heavily controlled by the neo nazis in their government. They certainly seem to have undue influence there.
      
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      March 21, 2022 8:03pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/covid-19-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-hints-vaccine-mandates-not-going-for-all-workforces-no-imminent-shift-out-of-red-traffic-light.html

Bahahahahahaha.

What a (insert moderated word) tease. You all thought she was going to loosen the net didn’t you…….A Pavlovian experiment this country is right now.

I see poor old Ryan isn’t allowed to interview our Glorious Leader any more. Nobody is allowed to challenge our Glorious Leader – Boy Wonder Tame will be next.
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March 21, 2022 10:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Overseas post for Tame soon. He rattled the cage – they don’t like that
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:41pm
ecco

Wonder why the Ferald is running an attack piece on Leo Malloy, the Auckland mayoral candidate, that’s not hidden behind the paywall. I thought they treated all political candidates evenly and hid everything behind their paywall. They must have got a directive from Ardern’s spin team. There you go, covid media slush fund in play, trying to ensure that a right leaning candidate doesn’t prevail in Auckland.

I heard Malloy speak on a radio interview and thought he made a lot of sense and would be good for Auckland after what it’s been through with Goff and Ardern.

The only thing I worry about is that Malloy and Viv Beck will split the right vote. Is that how it works or is there that wacky system like in Wellington where votes get reallocated?

Can’t think of anything worse than that fella Collins getting in with the Labour ticket in Auckland. It will be the end of Auckland if he does. Total tax and spend and reallocate to Labour voters guy. For fair coverage the Ferald need to run a free to air attack piece on Collins as well. Let’s see if they do this. I doubt it though.
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March 21, 2022 10:15am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Leo wants to spray cold water on the undesirables!
  Has he been speaking to Trevor Mallard?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayoral-candidate-leo-molloys-inhumane-plan-for-undesirables-in-auckland-cbd/FMQS7XQ7GJYZVS5EAKYL2PKXBA/
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:51am
plc

Driving from Wellington to the Hutt this morning.

I come out of the Terrace Tunnel and accelerate up to 105kph.

About a mile down the road the traffic starts to bank up behind a dickhead travelling in the right hand “fast” lane who is going 95 kph. Over time 5-6 cars come up behind the car (a Nissan Leaf) which refuses to move into the middle lane.

We all take our turn passing him on the inside as the inconsiderate bastard refuses to keep left.

And who is this entitled prick?

Chris “Get Boosted” Bishop

Tool.
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March 21, 2022 10:20am
- Frank the tank
  
  Probably listening to Wet, Wet, Wet wearing his retarded skipper’s hat…………
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:06am
- BeaB
  
  Vote Labour. They’ll soothe your anger.
  
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  March 21, 2022 11:19am
- Pavel
  
  In South Australia nobody stays in the right lane. Like us they have those signs saying “keep left unless overtaking” but underneath them they also say “$150 penalty applies”.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Bishop got publicity c/- you.
  Even dickhead publicity is still publicity
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:45pm
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128091729/who-will-replace-epidemiologists-in-our-postlockdown-world

I am still amazed there are people out there that truly enjoyed the shit fest that we have endured for 2 years and counting.

Funny when I see an epidemiologist on TV I want to throw things at the TV and I’d almost have to be restrained if I saw them out in real life.
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March 21, 2022 10:21am
Sparrow

Although fully vaccinated I am unable to attend a decile 1 primary school where I was a volunteer. I helped the children one day a week with their reading and any other subjects directed by the teacher. What I found astonishing was the huge difference in the capabilities of the children who were 8 to 9 year old. It was a very mixed ethnic group. However ethnicity had nothing to do with reading capability. Some pupils had incredible reading skills whilst others could hardly read two words all in the same class. I have no idea how the teachers cope with this disparity. Yes there was some remedial reading support but obviously not enough. Hopefully I can return when covid restrictions are relaxed.
As a point of interest the most brillant reader a boy came from a large Maori family.
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March 21, 2022 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You scared the children you bully //
  The directions from the teacher destroyed because you were smarter than that teacher.
  Guess you are off the Christmas Card List for that Teacher//
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:50pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Steve I presume you are being sarcastic. The teacher you are referring to was a fantastic teacher. The kids adored her and it was a pleasure and honour to work with her. Was a teacher as she and a number of other colleagues have lost their jobs as they are unvaccinated. So a decile 1 school has lost these dedicated people and the children have lost even more its tough enough for these kids. Many living in motels cars garages and at times having to stay home looking after younger siblings whilst mum and dad do two jobs.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:17pm
Paulus

Why has the IRD slowed right down collecting overdue Taxes, the total of which has grown exponentially over the last two years.
As real taxpayer I object to subsdising where it is not necessary.
I hope that Ms Fergusson who heads up IRD can answer or does she just do what Robertson the Incompetent tells her ?
Oh blame the Virus – I forgot.
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March 21, 2022 10:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Didn’t they have a multi-billion programme to upgrade all their systems? Sounds like a sure-fire way to become less efficient.
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:38pm
Surely Knott

Rolling Stone article on link between Epstein and Gates and their influence in the world bank:
Melanie Walker was an attractive young woman who was mentored by Epstein who appeared to have provided her accomodation in NYC while she got her medical degree becoming a neuroscientist. She was then hired by Epstein as a science adviser. She was also close friends with Prince Andrew. She then was hired by Bill Gates in 2006.

“Walker is a neuroscientist and neurosurgeon who became a top adviser to Gates at his Foundation and after that, became a senior adviser at the World Bank. The Gates Foundation placed her at the international financial institution in a somewhat-common arrangement called a secondment. What that means is the Foundation paid her salary — even though she was working for the World Bank. ”

What is interesting is that Gates is allowed to pay for one of his people to be an adviser at the world bank. Furthermore she has no economics credentials. Clearly Gates and Epstein and others sphere of direct financial interest in the WHO, World Bank etc, DAVOS, WEF. Our government attends and defers to these intuitions as experts. Why are private oligarchs allowed to infiltrate these global policy institutions. Shouldn’t they be lead by elected governments not private billionaires. And weird that Gates is not just influencing our health sphere but has infiltrated the banking sphere,
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates-connection-1206453/
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March 21, 2022 10:52am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Popular sovereignty is a comforting illusion. In reality we are ruled over by oligarchs (aka “stakeholders”) who enlist politicians like Trudeau, Ardern, Johnson et al (all WEF graduates) to do their bidding. This is why a change of government will never result in a significant change in direction, because politicians are just functionaries. It’s also why when an independent player like Trump gets elected, everyone must push in the same direction to get him out and never allow an outbreak of democracy to ever happen again.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:00pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The same way as all of the politicians you named pushed the exact same way over covid.
    It’s becoming clear that the “Great Reset” conspiracy is actually a reality.
    The WHO and UN right now pushing for more control over worldwide health policies. Won’t that be great? The WHO and UN deciding on lockdowns and compulsory vaccination programmes. What could possibly go wrong?
    
    https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/03/1088652
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03596-y
    
    So basically, billionaire funded NGOs will have control of planetary health policy.
    This is the death of democracy. We don’t have government representatives, these are technocrats and administrators.
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:15pm
Maggie Pie

They say Auckland can have ‘4 Seasons’ in a day!

I’ve just been out putting all the cushions back around the Pool 😎
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March 21, 2022 10:57am
- tui47
  
  My pool overflowed onto the lawn. Now it has receded the water has turned a dull shade of green. I will have to get the pool boy back!
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All that wind and that water shit and bright lights and loud noises last night and then;
  Shore to Greenlane was motorway stuffed by accident.
  Before the bridge and back over the water was dead flat – prob lumpy out the back of the noises.
  Maybe go out Thursday
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:58pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter has a take on how the departure of Simon Bridges tilts National towards the Liberal side of its politics. The article is published, too, at the financial site, interest dot co.

A taste:

And now Willis is both the Deputy-Leader of the National Party and its Finance Spokesperson. At No. 3 we find another fierce liberal, Chris Bishop. Notwithstanding his conservative Christian beliefs, Luxon should, henceforth, be seen as a liberal leader. National is coming for Auckland, and Auckland cannot be won by a scary social-conservative.

It’s the strategy Willis sold Key when she was his “Special Adviser” back in 2008, and it is the strategy she is selling Luxon now.

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/03/holding-national-together.html
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March 21, 2022 11:01am
- Surely Knott
  
  Definition of liberal Oxford:
  1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas.
  “they have liberal views on divorce”
  2.
  relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
  
  Chris “get boosted” Bishop is not liberal. Mandates are not liberal. Not considering other points of view is not liberal. And it certainly hasn’t been respectful of opinions different to one’s own. What is happening is not liberal it is authoritarian. It is a grab for centralised power. It is the very opposite of liberal.
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    This on liberalism from Wikipedia, may be helpful:
    
    In Europe and Latin America, the word liberalism means moderate form of classical liberalism, unlike North America, and includes both centre-right conservative liberalism (right-liberalism) and centre-left social liberalism (left-liberalism).
    
    Unlike Europe and Latin America, the word liberalism in North America almost exclusively refers to social liberalism (left-liberalism).
    
    In NZ, social liberalism seems to be what most people think of when they hear or read the word “liberal”.
    
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    March 21, 2022 5:59pm
surfing

The Chris Luxon interview on ZB was good — he says the right things… whether they translate into the real world will be the litmus test.

He’s dumping the ute tax, maori health authority, gas exploration is back, maybe local refining too. Bringing back health targets – the ones that labour dumped because they looked bad for labour.

Wants to focus on outcomes rather than process.
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March 21, 2022 11:01am
- alloytoo
  
  Luxon should also rescind the plastic bag ban.
  
  Undo all her “Captain’s” calls on day one.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’ll go with that – for all the bans she did as ‘Captain’ of Ah te rower
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:01pm
  - chukar
    
    Alloytoo,
    Please please let the voters see a non negotiable manifesto!
    The present lot will just blame their political partners for their failure to deliver.
    We have seen it all before!
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:00pm
Libertarians are right

So, given that Hunter’s laptop is now officially real, can we say the election was stolen?

It seems like deliberately killing a story that would have painted Joe Biden in an extremely bad (in fact corrupt) light would have a serious effect on the votes cast for him.

If not for the interference of Big Tech, most MSM and “intelligence analysts”, Biden could very well have lost the election and it’s not unreasonable to assume that was the reason for the interference.

As the Washington Post likes to say “Democracy Dies in Darkness” and they deliberately hid the biggest story of the election from voters.

It cannot be proven that election fraud happened but a conspiracy to deny voters their right to information most definitely did.
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March 21, 2022 11:19am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Where have all the KB articles on the US president gone? They used to be a fixture, but now, nothing. No news is good news, perhaps.
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ is too busy watching the next wallet extraction.
    NZ is not going uphill for over one year – we continue to be fucked by the Leaders
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:04pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I thought that the absence of comment may have been because Biden is orders of magnitudes worse than Trump ever was. Who knows. But at least Americans can go to the pumps paying $6 a gallon and experiencing the effects of high inflation safe in the knowledge that mean tweets are a thing of the past. Is Biden on Twitter, BTW?
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Even Andrew Little thinks the traffic light system is not of any use in preventing hospital overload.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00162/hospitalisations-wont-go-up-if-restrictions-are-lifted.htm

perhaps he needs to communicate with his Dear Leader.
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March 21, 2022 11:32am
Maggie Pie

I was thinking to myself okay, we might not be happy that a lot of poorer New Zealanders are really suffering under inflation, rising rents and sky-hi petrol prices…..but what I am happy about, is that all those losers who vote for a Labor government, are of course getting what they voted for.
In fact I hope their miserable f–king lives get even worse, because they have proven themselves to be such pathetically slow learners.

Just saying.
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March 21, 2022 11:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  As someone most eloquently said on here last week.
  “Poor people have been voting Labour for over 100 years. And they’re still poor.”
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:26pm
- MCōs
  
  Doesn’t matter who you voted for.
  
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  March 21, 2022 6:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  You get what you deserve. She’ll come along and give them another 50 dollars a week, then take 75 out of the back pocket when they aren’t looking.
  
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  March 21, 2022 8:19pm
Maggie Pie

And there’s just been a HUGE explosion in the center of Kyiv.
All power and services are gone.
Concerns that the President had been targeted.

Waiting for Tatiana to call back….. 🙁
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March 21, 2022 12:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW!! Here we go……
  
  https://twitter.com/IntelRogue/status/1505659453516959747
  
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  March 21, 2022 12:08pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    More recent images are coming out of the area thick and fast.
    
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cj9ecVcDMfw/UkSvjr1Ud7I/AAAAAAAAB8M/c9rru8f3hkc/s1600/brady_richmond.jpg
    
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    March 21, 2022 12:33pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I see what u did there Rodi 😀
      
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      March 21, 2022 12:48pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        You await a call from your Tatiana, while I await word from my Mammy. Goodness knows it’s so hard to find good help these days. War is hell, isn’t it?
        
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        March 21, 2022 1:04pm
    - Inandout
      
      Rod, yep the Allies sure knew how to carpet bomb.
      
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      March 21, 2022 12:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BBC obviously, it must be true.
      
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      March 21, 2022 8:24pm
- rangitoto
  
  The Russians blew up a gym.
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Maybe they had wind it was Zelensky’s leg-day?
    
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    March 21, 2022 5:30pm
ecco

What’s with Cindy still holding daily announcements under the guise of Covid? She sure is milking it for all it’s worth. Most people just turn off/fast forward whatever media she appears on, when they hear her voice.

Of course she doesn’t get it. Living in an echo chamber of yes men who still tell her she’s doing a good job. The polls are telling her how much people are listening to her. I just wish she’d STFU for a while. Covid is over, if she hadn’t realised.
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March 21, 2022 12:48pm
oldfella

Twitter just suspended US satire site The Babylon Bee for calling a man a man…
So The Babylon Bee hilariously named Rachel Levine its “Man of the Year,” playing off the fact that USA Today even more hilariously named Levine its “Woman of the Year” despite the fact that Rachel Levine (AKA Richard Levine) is a biological male.
https://notthebee.com/article/twitter-just-suspended-the-babylon-bee-for-calling-rachel-levine-a-man
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March 21, 2022 12:50pm
- Inandout
  
  old, I have discovered Bidenese.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HmFnp-jgfw&t=178s
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

And anyway…..you’d think Winston of all people, would know better by now than to let TOVA suck him in 😛

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1505655082116808707
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March 21, 2022 1:16pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I love the comment underneath:
  
  “Just a reminder: Tova never reads agreements”
  
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  March 21, 2022 1:52pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. You are doing a great public service here providing KBer’s with tit bits and great information.
  Thank you.
  
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  March 21, 2022 2:15pm
Hebe123

Ms Ardern in an article on Newshub this morning:
“With a highly vaccinated population and that group of unvaccinated New Zealanders, which was always relatively small, many of them will have now been exposed to COVID-19, so it means that the vaccine passes aren’t critical as they once were for us.”

Those unvaxxed she refers to who have now had COVID, how come they have not appeared in the death or at least the hospitalisation stats yet?

I don’t get it. //
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March 21, 2022 1:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Eeerrr, Jaspinda don’t get it either. If only she could read your post Hebe123.
  The narrative has only one direction – CONTROL
  
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  March 21, 2022 4:21pm
- MCōs
  
  “Those unvaxxed she refers to who have now had COVID, how come they have not appeared in the death or at least the hospitalisation stats yet?”
  
  Because you’re not looking in the right place.
  https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics
  
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  March 21, 2022 5:11pm
  - Hebe123
    
    74 deaths since August in the unvaxxed. Remembering that the majority of the population was unvaxxed during prior variants.
    
    The data tells us nothing Mcos.
    
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    March 21, 2022 7:37pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hgzFTZVq4U

Steven Marshall to resign as SA Liberal leader

Outgoing South Australian Premier Steven Marshall has announced he will step down as state Liberal Party leader but said he aimed to remain in parliament to serve as an MP for his local electorate. [3:12]
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March 21, 2022 1:46pm
curry4me

https://amgreatness.com/2022/03/19/bidens-handlers-are-preparing-to-eject-him-and-kamala/

Biden’s Handlers Are Preparing to Eject Him (and Kamala)
I sense a disturbance in the force. In fact, I’ve been feeling the tremors for a while. Back in January, I wrote a column for American Greatness called “The Coming Dethronement of Joe Biden.” In it, I noted that Biden’s appalling performance as president would sooner or later—and probably sooner, given the ostentatious nature of his multifaceted failure—lead to his removal as president.
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March 21, 2022 1:46pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jdvzzMwHYI

Tory discord!

There is discord in the Tory ranks, with Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak at odds with each other! [3:35]
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March 21, 2022 1:47pm
Warren

So when the going gets tough and they need someone to blame they the Journalists that have written puff pieces for the the overseas press praising Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister
turn on her just as quickly when they finally wake up and realise this could be the last term for this particular Government they thought was invincible.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-labour-needs-to-rediscover-its-political-soul/OCEXYABYQQRKQZWU4YCJQ4HEYU/
Wow how can Bryce Edwards change so quickly even to the point that they are accusing the Government of buying votes with the petrol tax and half price public transport costs
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March 21, 2022 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

TENA KOE
Leading the News@6….

Simon takes a look at the latest revelations surrounding Hunter Biden.

https://twitter.com/1AmKa3/status/1504919261298503681
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March 21, 2022 2:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the US main media were painfully slow in releasing the latest revelation and if you look at how they drove away the laptop story at a crucial time in the Presidential elections it is sickening. If the 10% of voters polled had known about the Hunter laptop being true they would not have chosen Joe. The major blogs shut down the story in a way never before seen in the US, yet still the group who signed a letter to say the laptop story was a Russian hoax by and large refuse to retract. Why this absolute scandal is ignored by our media is because it shows what a lying sham the Fourth Estate has become.
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:06pm
Stellaboxer

A leg of NZ lamb is cheaper in Sainsbury’s London than it is in Countdown Masterton per kilo. Check it out. Now can someone, anyone explain firstly why and secondly how is inflation the result of overseas pressures? Genuine question.
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March 21, 2022 3:15pm
- mandk
  
  It might not be a complete answer, but I suspect it has something to do with volume.
  
  Sainsbury, which is 2nd ranked in UK in terms of stores and market share, has about 4 times as many stores as Countdown and New World combined.
  
  The NZ meat processors might be happy to take lower prices in return for large volumes.
  
  If you add Tesco to Sainsbury, you have a market that is about 10 times the size of the NZ market.
  
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  March 21, 2022 3:47pm
- Swifty
  
  1. A more competitive lamb market in the UK versus here, resulting in lower margins and prices.
  
  2. Inflation can be imported by rising prices for imported goods causing prices to rise here.
  
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  March 21, 2022 4:01pm
- surfing
  
  Shipping cost per leg of lamb is exceptionally low compared to the retail price. Bulk volume shipping is pretty cheap when applied per unit.
  
  It does seem perverse, but, economies of scale and local competition are more important the shipping cost.
  
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  March 21, 2022 4:02pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, but shipping prices have gone through the roof in the last few months due to container shortages etc. The fuel price is inconsequential in this.
    
    If you look at cost breakdowns of shipping a container from Singapore to a warehouse in Auckland, then nearly half the costs are incurred on land (the last 10 km from when the container enters the harbour). Most of this are various “fees” to support the army of clipboard-wavers from customs, MAF etc.
    
    Even still, it probably costs less than $1 a kg to send most products halfway around the world – probably slightly more for refrigerated.
    
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    March 21, 2022 5:45pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s like anything else, isn’t it.
  If people will pay the crazy prices there’s no incentive to drop them.
  
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  March 21, 2022 5:00pm
- Jim
  
  Yep grinds the old gears when friends in UK are able to buy NZ wine cheaper than I can buy it here.
  
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  March 21, 2022 7:15pm
  - chukar
    
    Question, (1) exchange rates adjusted prices?
    (2) Comparitive taxation regimes ?
    
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    March 21, 2022 8:09pm
Maggie Pie

Tatiana re-tweets……

“There has been no war without atrocity”

https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505309631542931459

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
(I was at 6s & 7s whether to share these vids with the group.
But it is happening in Ukraine – right now 🙁 )
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March 21, 2022 3:43pm
- cmm
  
  Eastern Ukraine has been a civil war shithole for over 20 years. Stuff like this is nothing new.
  
  The people with the yellow armbands are the Ukrainian nationalists that are on the same side as the government. The worst of them are the neo-Nazi Azov battalion – mainly based in Mariupol. Yes, they are Nazis – down to their Swastikas and other Nazi symbols.
  
  And no, I am not shilling for the pro-Russians they’re equally bad, if not worse.
  
  There is basically no law and order and has not been for at least a decade. In some places there are mob courts going as far as to sentence people to death.
  
  Each area has its own rebel battalions, often funded and run by the oligarch in the area. All corrupt as anything.
  
  People like simplified stories with a clear demarcation: They’re the goodies; they’re the baddies. In Ukraine it is not as simple as that – there are just baddies.
  
  It is no wonder that over a quarter of the population have left the place over the last 15 or so years. If you’ve got opportunities elsewhere then why stick around?
  
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  March 21, 2022 4:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thanx for posting CMM.
    I had no real idea what the place was like tbh.
    
    One of my partner’s besties has been in contact with an extremely attractive girl there thru the ‘Ukrainian Brides Agency’ (I’ve seen pics),
    He was due to go there later this year and meet up. Unfortunately, he’s had no contact now since early in the year. Already sent her about 70k for medical-expenses he was telling us. She was widowed at 24 and left a solo mum with a young daughter who’s very ill by all accounts 🙁
    According to the Agency, they think they’ve made it safely to Romania.
    Fingers crossed.
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:44pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There was an item on the radio last night about how vulnerable the refugee Ukrainian women and children will be to sex-trafficking.
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:46pm
    - Ehlana
      
      That story sounds familiar. I hope your partner’s bestie was able to verify it before sending money. Unfortunately, there are some unscrupulous people out there.
      
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      March 21, 2022 4:51pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        He’s not silly.
        They’ve skyped on numerous occasions up until fairly recently.
        She even sent him a piece of her Ponytail.
        
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        March 21, 2022 5:09pm
    - cmm
      
      Assuming you’re genuinely interested, Vice News put together a series of over 100 episodes on the Eastern Ukrainian situation in and around 2014. It hasn’t changed much it would seem.
      
      I used to feel badly about how South Africa treated some of its citizens during the apartheid era. But the South African government never dropped bombs on its own civilians like the Ukrainians did (and obviously will be doing during a war). It is no surprise that the place is a mess of distrust and a complete basket case.
      
      I don’t know if Ukraine has any honest politicians, but far too many have been corrupt oligarchs up to and including the “Chocolate King” Poroshenko.
      
      This latest Zelenskyy guy might be honest. I don’t know. It looks like most people voted for him because he acted in the role of a president in a popular TV drama.
      
      We might bitch about our politicians, but these lot are from a a few shelves lower down.
      
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      March 21, 2022 5:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s true that people like simplified narratives. It’s true that some Ukrainian elements in the long-running conflict espouse Nazi slogans and symbols.
    It’s also true that it is a huge deal that Russia has launched an all-out war against its neighbouring country on the flimsiest of pretexts. Funnily enough, this has had the opposite effects to what the Russians sought:
    1. The Russian army has won no speedy victory, and there is no sign that the Ukrainian government will be replaced by one more compliant with Russian demands.
    2. Rather than weakening NATO and the EU, the invasion has strengthened European and US resolve to uphold the existing order in Europe.
    No one expects their side to be 100% pure in war, although it is difficult for nearly every country to face up to troublesome deeds done in its citizens’ name.
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:44pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  What’s with all the man on man bare bum spanking in the videos underneath? Is this the liberating influence of Western liberalist kink? Maybe the Ukrainians would prefer a strongman disciplinarian like Putin after all. I mean, there’s that famous footage of Zelensky mincing about in stockings and high heels in one of his comedy shows, and now this.
  
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  March 21, 2022 4:19pm
  - Ehlana
    
    You do know the ads you see reflect the content you have expressed interest in, right?
    
    ‘Cos I’m not seeing any ads of the sort.
    
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    March 21, 2022 4:52pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      They aren’t ads, they are other Twitter videos posted underneath Maggie’s original link. Just scroll down. Besides, I use a Brave browser, so I don’t receive any ads, deviant or otherwise.
      
      In case you can’t use Twitterbook, I’ll help you out. Here’s a selection:
      
      https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505312206711361545
      
      https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505312606579527687
      
      https://twitter.com/Youblacksoul/status/1505313056728965121
      
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      March 21, 2022 5:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you see the YouTube vid I posted earlier in the month Rodi…..the one with Zelensky playing the piano with his Dick?
    
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    March 21, 2022 5:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No wonder he had a ‘perfect’ phone call with Trump. Shared background: game-show host and TV comedian.
      
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      March 21, 2022 5:50pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I did. It was Churchillesque. Zelensky won’t be afraid to lay his dick on the table, as they say, when it comes to negotiating with Vlad. It’ll probably be his opening move! ?
      
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      March 21, 2022 5:57pm
  - Inandout
    
    reminds me of ‘Not Going Out’ episode with the noisy neighbour who says to Lee, ‘You want smacky bum bum?’
    
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    March 21, 2022 5:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh this is priceless..

Our media-obsessed Prime Minister reckons she is not involved in media decisions….

“This is a Prime Minister who is addicted to the podium of truth. She will take any opportunity to do a press conference if she thinks it will be good for her. She often announces that there will be future announcements just to fuel her addiction, even if Kiwis are desperate to know what’s happening.

“There is no way that she didn’t have a say in this. The reality is, she has scared half the country senseless and she’s finding it hard to backdown – even when it’s the right thing to do.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00169/media-addicted-pm-feigns-ignorance-over-sneaky-friday-decision.htm
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March 21, 2022 7:07pm
Littletramp

Great to see the recently reconstituted Clinton Foundation has been accepting cash donations for forwarding to those affected by the war in Ukraine, especially the women and children.
I am sure they have divested the funds gathered over the past 18 months on behalf of Black Lives Matter wisely.
They seem to be a really caring & worthy charity.
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March 21, 2022 7:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why are we waiting?

“Once again the Prime Minister has made an announcement about an announcement, leaving us waiting an Ardernity for a decision,”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2203/S00168/its-no-longer-an-eternity-its-an-ardernity.htm
…
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