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Tony Stuart

Barry Soper has again put his Size 10 journalistic boot into the Government and Prime Minister:

Jacinda Ardern seemed to me to give every indication during her round of media interviews yesterday – which didn’t include Newstalk ZB unfortunately – that we could expect some movement to the country’s red light setting that’s been frozen for the past several months now.

The PM waxed about how the peak had been reached in Auckland and Wellington and that the hospital system, that they’ve had years to fix, wasn’t overwhelmed.

It was with a sense of guarded relief that restaurateurs thought people could begin moving around inside, rather than being stuck to their seats, and that event planners could start planning on crowd sizes increasing from the impossible to manage indoor restrictions.

You can imagine how disappointed they then were as they tuned in to hear from a Pulpit of Truth that seemed to have reverted back to the Delta days, with Ashley Bloomfield standing at Ardern’s side as she put a dampener on things.

The country had done what it was told. In fact, it has been doing that for the past two years. And now about 95 per cent of eligible people are vaccinated, with promises of nirvana from the pulpit for doing so. They’ve kept their distance and washed their hands and worn their masks to slow the spread of Omicron, and they are achieving it.

The wheels were surely going to start moving again with the lights about to change to orange, people thought, with a view to getting the show on the road.

Instead, the sermon sounded like the same script they had preached so many times before: We’re not out of the woods yet, we don’t want to spoil the gains we’ve made, it’s better to be safe than sorry, our record speaks for itself. Of course it does. It’s a cracked one.

What we got was what Act’s David Seymour so eloquently observed. An announcement that the announcement wasn’t being announced, and that another announcement might come later.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-traffic-light-announcement-a-familiar-meaningless-sermon/VEDTUQCGNGL6ABTPM5NXVVGLIA/

Soper is right on the money. This was classic Announcement Government stuff, that promised much, but delivered nothing; not this week, in any event.

To delay making another decision until the eve of the Easter Weekend is simply cruel. It means event organisers have no idea whether or not events scheduled for Easter can go ahead. Hospo outlets will have no time to order stock in before everything closes on Thursday afternoon, so they either order in hope, running the risk of being left with full fridges and empty venues, or they miss out.

Feedback on the radio this morning is damning of the Government. Good; it’s nothing more than they deserve. The cracked record should be thrown in the bin.
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December 5, 2021 8:02am
- Scott
  
  Well Jacinda has made her announcement. What will she decide? The nation holds its breath. What will the princess decide? Will she grant freedom to her loyal subjects?
  
  She decides… nothing.
  So stay in red you peasants. In our 3rd year and counting the peasants need to stay at home. For their own good of course. And for the sake of the health system, that could be overwhelmed!!?
  “We’re doomed. Doomed I tell you!”
  
  As for me I got up early this morning and deleted the vaccine pass off my phone. Just my small act of freedom.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:05am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I set fire to mine last night, watching it burn was very satisfying.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:03am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I never got one – wasn’t allowed to – the unclean unvaccinated couldn’t have a passport – a seconf class citizen. But now I am restored by the sprinkling of some shitty demon dust.
      Actually, I took no notice of the whole bloody fiasco anyway. My life, and that a a number of acquaintances was always normal – it was all the other mask wearing, passport wielding, social distancing signer-inners that were living a sub normal, socialist down-trodden, meakly accepting tyranny life.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:21am
      - coge
        
        I was jabbed. But declined to possess such an odious discriminatory document. And the type of ‘freedom’ it offered. It was an important learning curve for me, and my opinion of the entire NZ political class changed accordingly.
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:51am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The problem is you still need your “papers” to access certain places. Auckland Council has decreed that you have to scan and show your “papers” before you will be admitted to their (ours) libraries.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:47am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Hello? Mr Luxon? Where are you on this? What do you propose? When will start declaring some democratic principles that drive National policy? Hello? Are you there?
      
      Nope. No one is home.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Why don’t you listen to what he says? He has stated plenty of times that policy for the 23 election will not be released till late this year, in the meantime, he is ruling certain things out, like 3 waters, Māori health commission, he yesterday ruled out any other Hepuapua separatist commissions, that will do me for the moment, and look forward to his policy settings when they are required, leading up to the election
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:25pm
      - leoj
        
        Not even the lights are on……
        Woke, weak, wet and slow.
        All you National supporters have been duped.
        The party is floundering and Luxon hasn’t the fire in his belly to fight this out-of-control mob in power.
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:45pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Luxon actually trusts his spokespeople to make comment in their areas of responsibility krazykiwi, and Chris Bishop has been pretty straight-up with his comments:
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/national-s-chris-bishop-says-constant-tuning-in-to-the-podium-for-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-covid-19-rules-update-is-deeply-demoralising.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:49pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “urged the Prime Minister to change her approach”
        “No one’s saying we shouldn’t wear masks,”
        “Bishop questioned the need to remain at ‘red’ ”
        
        That’s not being straight up, Tony. That’s tinkering while Rome burns.
        
        The topic that Luxon appears too terrified to confront is that of state-sanction racial division. That isn’t about some policy which should be scheduled for maximum advantage in the election system. It is about a principle that transcends policy. Either Luxon support race-base privilege, or he does not. Being too cowardly to declare his principles can’t be excused as a matter of timing, or devolution of responsibility.
        
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        April 5, 2022 2:36pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        National Policy 2023:
        
        40% is outrageous. Sensible people will support our legislation setting it at 46.5%
        
        Reminds me of this… 2040’s Republican:
        I’m okay with dog-human marriage, it’s these puppyphiles that are the problem
        
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        April 5, 2022 7:56pm
    - JerJer
      
      Mine is actually on a peice of paper. Never installed anything on my phone. No, app, and never scanned in anywhere…..and I still won’t wear my mask.
      
      I relucantly got vaccinated, but there seemed to be little point.
      
      The VaccinePass never really effected me, as I am not a huge user of hospitality venues, however, when I do I will call in advance and make sure there is absolutely no need for any papers silliness before I make a booking at any establishment going forward, and I will make sure I remind them of the stupidity of it when making that call.
      
      I do feel sorry for the hospitality businesses that are going under in droves, but, at the end of the day, hospitality, like poor people, voted for this stupidity, and it has bitten them big this time.
      
      This covid idiocy is just about over, but for hopitality the destruction is going to continue now with inflation hanging over the top of them. I was with a group of 20 people a week or so ago, who after a finishing a sporting event suggested going to the pub for dinner and drinks. Sounded like a great idea, all the participants would be on higher than average incomes. Then came the ‘actually going to the pub has become too expensive, it’s not worth it anymore, lets just have a party at someone’s house’, and so we did. Hospitality is now going to increasling miss out on more business due to the inflation crisis that prime muppet and co have unleashed as their next disaster in the making.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:32am
      - Jim
        
        Cheaper for same quality, ambience and free choice (no masks) are reasons why people are socialising at home and choosing home hospitality.
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:20pm
    - artemisia
      
      Auckland City premises incl libraries are open without papers from today. That is different from the previous announcement that passes are required until June.
      
      Wellington City premises, incl libraries – still require papers. They announced there will be an announcement of something by Friday this week. Still consulting staff. Wonder what they will do if staff vote for ‘papers please’.
      
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      April 5, 2022 4:05pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Maybe a class action may dampen their commitment to discrimination and breaches of the Bill of Rights? Let’s do this!!!
      
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      April 5, 2022 7:28pm
- Frank the tank
  
  bahahahahaha. She sucked you all in again didn’t she. A couple of things:
  
  1). The vast majority of her sinking support love the smug hermit kingdom and restrictions .
  2). This is a caucus decision and it is clear the Maori Squad are attempting to extract more out of the rest of the table. This is co-governance 101. Snigger.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Evil nasty piece of work
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Frank’s probably okay, Steve. Just a bit misguided.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:17am
      - Frank the tank
        
        LOL. You best ever Mikey!
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:06am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Ah, but she got exposure and her coterie of female voters will still be gushing and fawning over her having saved them.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:07am
  - redqueen
    
    Even those rose tinted glasses appear to be coming off. Most of my wife’s friends have stopped gushing over the PM. The more sensible ones never voted Labour (shocker that the business owning one’s tend to vote National or Act – and are vocal about it), but the less sensible ones have started seeing the impacts of high inflation, poor education outcomes, impossible house prices, etc. I feel sorry for them, they wrapped their hopes into identity politics (‘an inspirational female leader!’) and now are starting to pay the price for it (along with the rest of us, alas).
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:13am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      well said redqueen. those who follow JA both male and female are purely voting on popularity and inspiration rather than actual tangible results. labour has delivered a fraction of their election promises. this is what people to assess and base their votes on results, not excuses.
      
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      April 5, 2022 8:26am
      - Nickc2
        
        I often wonder when I see those street television interviews about politics etc how many people’s interactions never see the light of day. Surely, when the interviewer approaches a person in the street, that person is not wearing an ‘I Love Cindy’ sign.
        Then again, perhaps they are cause I never get stopped for an interview.
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:41am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      redqueen – Nothing will change. A Labour-Green gummit in 2023 as certain as a Maori voting Labour only.
      
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      April 5, 2022 8:43am
      - redqueen
        
        Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly won’t be with the same drooling support they’ve had this time ’round. And I am not sure they’ll pull it off, particularly if Jacksie sees the writing on the wall and decides it isn’t worth the punt.
        
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        April 5, 2022 8:57am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Pull the other one SCS.
        
        Te Reo Luxon is a shoo in for the next PM. Can you really see poor man’s Gordon Brown as our PM.
        
        As for your beloved – it is telling her denunciation of mad Vlad. Getting ready for an all care, no responsibility gig in New York with glitzy parties and champagne socialism.
        
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        April 5, 2022 9:46am
      - artemisia
        
        You may well be right SCS. The government has 18 months and millions of bucks to develop new
        slogans and tell the country how lucky we are. Worked last time.
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:09pm
  - ecco
    
    Apparently she’s got 2m facebook followers. How the f**k can that be??
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:40am
    - Matt Long
      
      So that people can tell her what they think of her on her Facebook feed.
      
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      April 5, 2022 8:53am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        Most of them have been blocked from commenting.
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:58pm
    - bennerg
      
      Ecco, that’s easy, you can buy them online.
      
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      April 5, 2022 8:56am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      They are all bought from overseas bot farms, have a look how many post the same words.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:05am
    - pdm
      
      1.9999 million are overseas. There is probably a direct link from Trudeaus and Macrons pages place the UN leadership to Ardernspages.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:23am
    - Frank the tank
      
      How many from Pakistan and Democratic Republic of Congo though. Lot of socialist dreamers in the world…….
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      81 million voted for Joe you know
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:20am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Saving 80,000 lives is no laughing matter Tomtoddy boy.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:44am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Yep, I am crying Sir C. Tears of frustration that so many got duped by the “I saved you” line.
      
      Tears of sadness that we have a Cabinet so full of incompetent, hopeless twits that they had to resort to so called ‘experts’ who dont up from down and promptly show their contempt by failing to follow the demands they make of us plebs.
      
      Tears of annoyance that so many businesses ahve been ruined and so many people needing urgent hospital treatment were tossed aside.
      
      Tears of remorse that I didnt try harder to stop some people I know voting Labour last elecetion – they have fortunately learnt a harsh lesson.
      
      Yes, Sir C, I am not laughing.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  “The PM waxed”
  
  Soper is missing a ‘lyrical’, and subsequently I’m missing my breakfast.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:08am
  - Master Mariner
    
    In the Moon sense it should read Wanning.
    
    https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/waxing-crescent.html
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Eat up krazy….it’s the most important meal of the day 😛
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  By the time any decision is made, people will have no time to plan for Easter. That is part of the plan, to fuck people around so as to keep control.
  Holiday Camps that I like had Easter booked out last October, paid in advance. If there is a lockdown that money is non-refundable.
  Jaspinda wonders why people dislike her, why people have had a gutsful. There is one of the reasons.
  Roll on 2023, vote these commies out!!
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This was meant as a respond to Tony Stuart’s 8.02 post. I messed up somehow
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:19am
  - mawm
    
    Just ignore her and continue with your life. Every holiday camp should just honour their bookings and keep their clients happy. Become ungovernable!
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thing is holiday camps miss out if that happens. Lockdown means no income – camp gone forever, all on a tyrant’s call
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:31am
  - Ehlana
    
    The Labour cabinet probably have holiday homes, so closed holiday camps won’t bother them. In fact, their leisure destinations are probably much more enjoyable when not cluttered up with camping people.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:50am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And local elections this year. We need change at local level also.
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:09am
    - Paulus
      
      We cannot vote in the Tauranga Local Body Election in October.
      Mahuta has cancelled them, and is going to appoint new Commissioners who are more Maori orientated, in Tauranga, in November.
      
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      April 5, 2022 1:59pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It’s madness. I see that guy Baker is applauding.
  
  I randomly came across this comment on social media yesterday. Some woman saying she was “terrified” about the vaccine passes not being mandatory and she would not be going to any bars, cafes, or any other venue until the “COVID is beaten” 😭
  
  Perfect example of why people should study science at university instead of fat studies. And of course this woman’s terror is down to Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Terrified”
    More like an emotional train wreck – best she stays home away from the adults
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:43am
    - Matt Long
      
      “Until the Covid is beaten,” best she gets used to being at home then, sounds like a win for everyone.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:04am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    what i’ve learnt is that you can’t reason with the unreasonable. the ones who live in constant covid fear are unreasonable. they lack pragmatism, reason and common sense. they want to be protected forever at all costs and bugger the rest. It is like these people don’t hold down jobs or a run a business otherwise they would have these qualities.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:08am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Indeed, irrationally ruled by their amygdalas, like most animals are, particularly (for example) sheep.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They also vote Labour
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They’ve spent many many millions to terrify some people, be disappointing of they didn’t get a few on board. So as Robertson would see it, “we got a good return for our investment.”
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:39am
  - Bob
    
    Perfect example of why people should..
    HAVE TO PASS AN INTELLIGENCE TEST before they are issued voting papers.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:00am
    - MiddleclassTrash
      
      I propose using the nonsense gender pay gap as a method for improving the voter pool.
      Give people the purported percentage difference in a tax cut (up to a max amount) in exchange for removing their vote.
      Unworkable really, I know, but it might knock out a few ideologs and numerically illiterate individuals.
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:05am
  - Surely Knott
    
    If Covid eradicated the Flu. Then what actual change in overall mortality. From this graph I would suggest none. There is a dip in 2020 and then 2021 back to normal. A pandemic completely indiscernible from the figures. She should get out to the cafe now. It’s as good as its ever been. https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/deaths-increase-as-population-ages
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:08am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You have to wonder how people like that navigate the supermarket, never mind life. Fancy being “terrified” at not having to produce your Cindy Certificate on demand. Jesus wept, these people get to vote too.
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:47am
    - Ehlana
      
      Jesus ate with the unclean, Rich Prick. This terrified lady would not have gone near him.
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:48pm
  - Jim
    
    She could be filling sand bags to constructively use her time in (covid paranoia) isolation, for when the media pivots back to the PM’s other crisis…..the Climate EMERGENCY.
    
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    April 5, 2022 5:34pm
  - Aurelia
    
    Anxiety is the biggest risk factor. Beats age and fatness. My Vax loving friend just had the rona and she was hysterical calling ambulances like she was about to drop dead.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  Well, seven hours elapsed between her gushing and fawning media appearance and when her own perspective was revealed from the POT at 4;00pm.
  IMO, during that time, her minders got to her and explained that there were still companies and businesses out there that she hadn’t completely destroyed yet and her Union Minders weren’t impressed.
  Needless to say, we are still stuck at a Red Traffic Light until all Labour and Green ideologies have been fully cemented in NZ’s future planning.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    I assume that she will continue this fiasco up to the Election as she thinks, foolishly, she will win, if she is still here.
    New, from Union leader, will be in charge – Michael Wood.
    Sorry Grunter but not you !
    
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    April 5, 2022 2:03pm
    - My
      
      M. Wood. Uni, mens clothing salesman (sexist), union organiser, Habitat for Humanity, several years main caregiver for his children. Great. Just what we need. Groan.
      
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      April 5, 2022 3:43pm
- Simon
  
  NZ voted for this madness. Suck it up.
  
  Worse of course was everyone injecting themseleves with shit based on what Cindy ordered ie the mandates which Natioal went along with.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:37am
  - Harriet
    
    NZ injecting themselves with a death sentence:
    
    The most significant change in NZ since Roger Douglas left office is 3 strikes – and the public couldn’t care less under covid and ‘maori governance’! 😎
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:14am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well businesses and the general public – 50% of you voted enthusiastically for this mob and enjoyed lockdowns by singing kumbaya, baking cakes and keeping teddies in windows. Now suck it up. She will be there until 2035. Wait until the Green Frog Shaw imposes his climate change levies on you.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:41am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL. Your beloved will be lucky to survive winter. Wait till the winter energy crisis kicks in and we have fuel rationing. All the time getting fake degrees and talk show host spots on her mid winter jaunt to the States
    
    The way her gong show is going they’ll be lucky to have a 3 in front of their polling come July.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:52am
  - My
    
    Yeah, every time I see someone walking down the street or driving in their car with a mask on, I think oh crap, there is another red tick. And there seems to be a lot of them. But hopefully not enough.
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Watch with great interest in two weeks time as the PM will be praised with brevity to let us drop to Orange for Easter, sickening will be the cheering from the streets, sickening prattle will be the brave wee PM from the media, leaving just a little puke in our mouths as they rave of her brevity
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  To be honest, I didn’t see it as putting the boot in. It was really what I would call normal journalism. It didn’t say anything outrageous, it was all observational. But good to see one journalist who is apparently not in Ardern’s pocket.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:34am
- Clownworld
  
  Well well well. 3 wells in a row. Bit like three waters.
  
  Imagine my shock in Serbia as masks all gone. Only wear one if you want to.
  
  Meanwhile in NZ still working in the red light?
  
  Easter looks like religion doesn’t matter except the new religion global order.
  
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  April 6, 2022 1:27am
krazykiwi

The more authoritarian a leader, the more they strive to control the narrative. We usually think of this control in terms of broad messaging, and delivery channels.

But there is a lower-level, more unitary element: individual words.

We have heard lots about ‘co-governance’ recently. To accept that this word has sufficient merit to debate the topic is to tacitly accept that the universal franchise is dead, and that the debate is over the extent of acceptable co-governance.

I believe that so-called ‘co-governance’, in any quantity, and in any capacity is the replacement of universal franchise with state-sanctioned racism. If National generally, and Luxon specifically fail to step up then our societal divisions will progress from a rash, to a wound, to a gangrenous limb.
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April 5, 2022 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  KK, is this where NZ is headed. Quite a few interesting facts that many will not know – including me.
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/other/dictator-deaths-infamous-tyrants-who-were-executed/ss-AAVPu2T?
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:03am
fightingtemeraire

Anyone heard the results of the Roy Morgan poll???
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April 5, 2022 8:01am
- pdm
  
  ft – I looked last night and if my interpretation is right they release them on the 7th of each month.
  
  Curia poll for Free Speech Union follows a day or two later I think.
  
  Both will be very interesting and may Labours downward trend continue and maybe even accelerate..
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:24am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Thank you
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Usually a Monday night
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:25am
- redeye
  
  The was this just a few days ago;
  
  ANZ-Roy Morgan New Zealand Consumer Confidence dropped another 4 points in March to 77.9, a fresh record low in data that data began in 2004. Inflation expectations rose to 6%. House price inflation expectations eased from 4.8% to 2.7%, and are lowest in Wellington (0.7%).
  
  https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8938-anz-roy-morgan-nz-consumer-confidence-march-2022-202204010520
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:40am
  - bjools
    
    Learned yesterday, a family I have known for years, are moving to Queensland in 2 months.
    John Key, to much derision, had a goal to catch Australia. He was making strides in that direction, Ardern ,from the start of her disastrous reign, has reversed those outcomes.
    PSST Jacinda, it’s spelt…..E X O D U S.
    Yet another LABOUR govt. driving NZers out.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:02am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      John Key explicitly abandoned that goal, which he rebranded as ‘aspirational’ rather than a result that could be achieved by implementing unpopular policies.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        So we had a nett gain of ex NZers returning home under Key, but you know better
        
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        April 5, 2022 10:28am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Does your net gain include 501s? The close the gap objective was meant to be around wages and prosperity and no significant progress was made.
        
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        April 5, 2022 2:40pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The people leaving will be the highly skilled and the tax payers of this country, Ardern will think don’t care cause don’t vote me, but those very people are who got her over the line last time
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:27am
    - curry4me
      
      With a possible exodus on the cards, it looks like a good time to sell the Pfizzer shares, and buy some in Labour Airlines. I wonder how long before its 3-4 plane loads a week leaving?
      
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      April 5, 2022 12:34pm
    - bjools
      
      Just learned, this afternoon, the manager of the NZ branch of a multinational. That I have known for years, has accepted a promotion to their California branch.
      By her attitude, it looks like she just about bit their hand off, when it was offered.
      
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      April 5, 2022 4:26pm
    - Jim
      
      Only the higher rate tax paying ones
      
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      April 5, 2022 5:38pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Don’t pin your hope on it bro. It will show Labour leading back again.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They must be out soon, because they released their consumer confidence result mid last week
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:13am
dubya

Language matters. I’ve taken to saying ‘the restrictions’ or ‘the government restrictions’ instead of blaming ‘covid’ for work related staffing and supplies shortages, likewise closures of restaurants etc. I implore you to do the same. The Ardernists blame Covid for all their multiple failures. I blame them.
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April 5, 2022 8:02am
- bjools
  
  Anyone who tries to use covid as an excuse.
  I remind them that.
  There were not people dropping in the streets
  No bodies piled up in houses
  No carts going house to house …”bring out your dead”
  Instead we had
  A govt. arresting people for going outside, surfing etc
  The disease, unlike the black death (many occurrences), didn’t do this….the world over including here…govt.s did this.
  What makes our clowns worse.
  We had warning of it (China, Italy and Europe)
  We had an action plan already written (“Influenza Pandemic Response Plan, c2017)
  We live on an Island chain 2000Km from the nearest country that may infect us.
  We started with an advantage on most.
  But our dithering circus of a govt. did not respond until it was already herer.
  Then , instead of just going woops, and getting on with the job (in the plan). They locked us down and proceeded to lie to us over and over…
  “we went hard and we went early”
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And the damage was happening before COVID even existed
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:35am
  - MCōs
    
    Of course people didn’t drop dead in the streets in NZ, but bodies infected with covid-19 have been found in the streets of Bangkok.
    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2153171/bodies-in-streets-stun-pm
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:14pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      So what’s your point? They are probably carrying many things including herpes HSV 1 (colds sores). According to the WHO 67% of the world population under the age of 50 are.
      
      But we don’t test for every single virus that a person might have when they die. There are literally trillions of viruses in the human body. If we did test for everything the list would be long and we would never move outside our house. It’s called germaphobia and it is debilitating to people and society in general.
      It’s why using the PCR test for covid is meaningless. The test will pick up anything you want it to pick up when run at a cycle threshold over 30. It’s why the last 2 years in NZ have been a disgusting destruction of lives, businesses and our social cohesion. Covid doesn’t cause people to collapse and die in the streets, not even in Bangkok with what would be a terrible health system for the majority. People die WITH covid, rarely from.
      
      Here’s a good article re how even the experts were surprised what was in normal, healthy young people when they looked hard enough. Of 102 participants the average was 5 dangerous viruses.
      
      According to the scientists:
      “They admit that it is unclear as to whether the viruses are beneficial or detrimental to health, but they hypothesize that the viruses may boost the immune system’s response to harmful pathogens in some cases, while increasing the risk of infection in others.”
      
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282751
      
      If I have to choose between Pfizer and my immune system you will probably guess who I’m picking.
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:04pm
    - bjools
      
      According to the Alfred Sauvy definition, Thailand would be classified as Third World.26/10/2017
      
      Examples of first-world countries include the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Japan.
      
      But we are possibly about to join Thailand if this clown car govt. continue.
      
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      April 5, 2022 4:23pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well spotted. As you rightly state, Ardern and her supporters blame absolutely everything negative on covid and the very few successes (I can’t think of any) is all down to Brenda. As you say, don’t fall for it. Immediately point out that covid did nothing. Ardern’s response to a seasonal respiratory illness caused everything that has happened over the last 2 years.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:46am
greybeard

8am and there is not one mention of the rising mortgage rates on the Stuff website.
Not one.
I wonder why not.
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April 5, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nobody can afford a mortgage, so not worth publishing//
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Stuff is mental illness. Listen to some music to counter balance after clicking on that hellscape.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  @greybeard-
  I expect that the money managers at $tuff will be waiting for the Labour Party propagandists to clock on at the politburo and prepare a report for them.
  Safer that way. Control the narrative. Get paid. Smoke dope.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:13am
- I remember when
  
  Perhaps we need an article on the effect rising mortgage rates will have on cost of buying a house, while allowing for falling house prices.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:26am
  - Phronesis
    
    The cost of servicing a mortgage will double, house prices will drop 5-10%.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:27am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  $55M bribe can hide anything greybeard.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lefties will thing the rise in interest rates are part of Cindy’s happy world, and we will have to just suck it up.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:36am
- Paulus
  
  Kiwi Bank predicting 5 year Mortgage at 6.9% currently.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:07pm
  - Aurelia
    
    Don’t worry the banks will keep the party going for all the over extended. Put them on interest only for a year then move them onto sick and twisted revolving credit.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:49pm
Tomtoddy

Auckland Transport is an out of control, arrogant outfit accountable to no one.

They continue their anti-private car policy wrecking streets, killing businesses. In an article yesterday written by their pet poodle Simon Wilson they said “Our plan will also allow for more on-road bike lanes. Cheap and easy to install, and un-install if they don’t work. This is good planning”.

This is the same outfit that told the Papakura Community Board that it would cost $4 million to remove the useless cycle lanes on the Gt South Road when that Board recognised that no one, but no one uses them. AT installed the unused cycleways against public opinion and against the local Board’s wishes. AT suggested the local Board remove the cycleways with its own resources knowing full well they didn’t have that sort of money. Absolute arrogance. And Goff who was supposed have oversight of AT and couldn’t manage a kindy gets rewarded with a plum job overseas.
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April 5, 2022 8:04am
- Simon
  
  Auckland Transport unchecked power derives from Auckland Super City which National set up. National were warned at the time of issues like the left or mad ideologics taking over the entire city. There were no checks and balances in the system that National set up. National are rubbish.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:10am
  - Bob
    
    Another perfect example of why people should..
    HAVE TO PASS AN INTELLIGENCE TEST
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Passing an intelligence test roils have lead to people realising the super city was ACTs work, without ACT we would not have had the super city.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That was ACT policy, or it would not have happened.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  Simon Wilson today accuses felows in the media of creating panic , yes panic over the parking cancellations .
  
  He says in a nut shell, that the peat bog fire in Southland is a result of parking on the roads in Auckland, it’s time to act now.
  
  And he accuses his fellows in the media of fostering panic .
  
  This also appears timed to coincide with some more dire UN climate shite , was the top item on NZME radio this morning.
  
  These media twats have foisted us with covid panic and continue to promote climate panic.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:09am
- Debsta
  
  Papakura Council should just erect massive signs at either end “PLEASE IGNORE AUCKLAND TRANSPORT’S BIKE LANE MARKINGS AND USE TWO LANES AS PREVIOUS” and a short sharp publicity campaign 🤣
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:21am
- MCōs
  
  Auckland Transport is of course accountable to the voters of Auckland via Auckland Council.
  By sheer good luck there are council elections coming up 8-October.
  So get your name on the ballot for your local ward.
  Nominations close 12-August
  After that it should be plain sailing. Only 40% of eligible voters bother so if you have 10,000 mates you’re in!
  
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  April 5, 2022 12:28pm
Yvette

The New Zealand Water Services Regulator – so, not a very sexy name in English, but you do understand what it is: vital to healthy life, but not a Way of Life

Taumata Arowai – new from mid-November last year – but not really heralded by the Government as an achieved goal, and you should ask Why is that?

But any way –
Taumata Arowai will operate from a te ao Māori perspective aspiring to higher outcomes for wai and tangata in Aotearoa. We will work in partnership across Aotearoa, taking our lead from Te Tiriti o Waitangi, to regulate and influence the water services sector to improve outcomes and reflect on the importance and interconnectivity of the health of tangata and of wai.
We are committed to resetting and improving relationships with Treaty partners and will design, build and act from a te ao Māori world view guided by the principles of Te Mana o te Wai.

Taumata Arowai recognises that it cannot and does not work alone when it comes to wai. Taumata Arowai must always work in partnership, taking its lead from Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
We will work collaboratively across Aotearoa including with whānau, hapū and iwi Māori, Crown entities (such as the Ministry for the Environment, Ministry of Health and Department of Internal Affairs), public health units (PHUs) along with regional, city and district councils, drinking water suppliers, water management companies and all people of Aotearoa. [non-Maori people, last in the list]

Our name Taumata Arowai was gifted to us by Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Minister of Local Government.
https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz/about/who-we-are/ – https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz

Apparently no appropriate name exists officially in English for this new Government department, which may be a ploy to force use of a Maori title.

In the 2018 census, of national population, only 5,283 Māori identify themselves as adhering to Māori Religions, Beliefs and Philosophies.
But now the whole “Team of 5 Million” will be beholden – regardless of religious beliefs – to te ao Māori [the Maori world-view] perspective aspiring to higher outcomes for wai and tangata in Aotearoa.

Whether you are Islamic (“… I bear witness that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah …”), Christian ( “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me”), or of another faith, or no religion at all, te ao Māori [the Maori world-view] be upon you anyway.

This is what hath befallen ye when thou mixeth a te ao Māori religion in with politics.

Is this comment just bloody stirring, or is something happening that is not good for New Zealand – even not particularly good for Maori, as it is more words and no delivery – but actually an invasion of your mind, but more simple than most other conspiracy theories?
Wonder about that next time you turn on a tap.

This is not “3 Waters”. Taumata Arowai has already happened.
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April 5, 2022 8:04am
- Ehlana
  
  Correct. We now have an established religion (Te Ao Maori). That was the very thing that was decided against when the Treaty was being discussed, so how can it be in accordance with it?
  
  Google Translate offers the following for Taumata Arowai: Checkpoint Level.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:57am
  - Yvette
    
    Ehlana
    Google Translate is not at fault as it depends on fluent speakers offering corrections and subtleties to update its vocabulary and grammar, and not enough conversant Maori give that feedback to improve Google Translate’s translations.
    
    Te Kāhui Whakamana Rua Tekau mā Iwa – Google Translates to –
    “Twenty-Nine Validation Board”
    Apparently, Te Rūnanga o Ngāti Waewae (Ngāi Tahu), kaitiaki of Pike River in the Atarau region, gifted the Agency the Te Reo name which is interpreted as ‘The Empowering Voice for the Pike 29’
    No one, it seems, has told Google Translate that.
    
    Taumata is a term associated with a summit, symposium or congress. Taumata invokes a sense of protection, leadership and wisdom. Aro means to give attention to, to focus on, or be in the presence of. Wai is water.
    No one, it seems, has told Google Translate that either :o)
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:16am
    - Ehlana
      
      Actually ” The Empowering Voice for the Pike 29’” and “Twenty-Nine Validation Board” are not too far off. Empowering and Validation can be considered related concepts.
      
      I am sadly not surprised at the arrogance and stupidity of giving a new government agency a name in only one language. I know they don’t have the half-brain necessary to work out that if only 3% of the population are fluent in Maori, but 90%+ understand English, then a new department should have names in both. And I’m certainly not going to ask about its rendering in NZ Sign Language.
      
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      April 5, 2022 3:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Google tells me your name means ‘tree strong tree’.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:49am
Simon

So called co-governance is merely a natural extension of identity politics. Of which National when in government did nothing to roll back and were often happy to oblige. National are garbage.
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April 5, 2022 8:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Stick with Cindy then
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:41am
Lee C

The Ardern game plan is simple.
Maintain control.
Keep boosters in ‘the back pocket’.
Do as little as possible to return to ‘normal’.
exploit next variant-scare.
Ramp up human rights abuses.
Spend more tax-cash electioneering – sorry ‘on public health’.
Rinse and repeat.

Thank God we have an effective Opposition Party.

Oh, wait.
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April 5, 2022 8:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Talking of boosters…
  
  have you rolled your sleeve up for Vax #4?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/editorial-nz-is-likely-to-run-a-fourth-covid-dose-campaign-but-who-shouldgetit/OQJURNMVPEP6A3GZMMGOWNU7OY/
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:14am
  - Lee C
    
    Their shareholders WILL be pleased…
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The vaccine-derived antigen protection attenuates faster with every dose. It is recklessness, bordering on genocidal madness, to promote continual treatment given the emerging data on antigenic fixation (aka Original Antigenic Sin).
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:30am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Who should get it? People with high risk of severe illness from a ~~cold~~ Omicron, and idiots (in finest darwinian style)
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    We’ll be talking about vax 6 by the end of the year. Guaranteed. Any protection these jabs give is gone within a few months. Good luck with the potential long term negative side effects to anyone deciding to run with this experimental product.
    This has been the biggest government caused health disaster in history.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:53am
    - Hebe123
      
      Consider it natural selection. Anyone stupid enough to take 4, 5, 6 jabs of a substance that is clearly not safe and doesn’t work deserves everything they get.
      
      I used to hope like hell that it was safe and that people would be OK, but after the last 5 months I don’t actually give a flying f*** anymore.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:18am
      - MCōs
        
        Someone in Germany has had 80+ jabs.
        Seems unusual, but he’s still alive.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/04/04/man-got-87-doses-of-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-allegedly-in-germany/?sh=61e6c4775176
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:44pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Funny we are now only talking about possible long term effects, what happened to our d*cod might start dropping off 😃
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Old normal is gone. A new normal is being created, but as per usual they will fuck it up big time
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And the scallywag in chief loves telling us it’s our new normal, well she can start measuring up for a new bloody office.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      New office in New York. By the time she gets there, Trump will be POTUS. Fun and games, and a little ejacashun for her
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:09pm
- pdm
  
  So true Lee C.
  
  Stuff yesterday portrayed Ardern as being cautious.
  
  Stuff were wrong it was all about maintaining CONTROL!!!
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:27am
  - Dougal10
    
    Stuff just republish comms sent from cindys pr department.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:47am
cmm

$1uff: Time to rethink the role of the police.

I agree, but not the way they think.

It is time to ditch this woke experiment:
* Get back to Job Number 1: policing.
* Staff up with candidates who can do the job. Properly.

Stuff seems to think they should be going the other way.

“Nothing prepares to to strip a dead body”. Why not? How about actually presenting people with dead bodies during police training?

“I cried all the way to the station”. Sounds like being a real cop isn’t really for you then.

Nope, instead potential cops are provided with a fanciful picture of woke policing – not the real stuff they need to encounter on the street.

This is mis-matching the people to the work. It just does not create a functional police force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/128264051/time-to-rethink-the-role-of-our-police-force
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April 5, 2022 8:15am
- redqueen
  
  Quite so. The latest ‘headline’ being about how the recruits aren’t receiving enough training (I mean, is 16 weeks really enough?). When kids can’t read, the problem is a lack of support for the teachers. When the Police aren’t capable of handling their job, it’s insufficient training. At no point do the muppets chattering ever seem to go, ‘Did we get the right person for the job? These people clearly can’t seem to hack it’.
  
  It’s a damming indictment that nobody seems to be qualified anymore, but they’re motivated by ticking the right boxes (even if only woollyheaded thinking like ‘Do you want to help your community?’)
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:24am
  - cmm
    
    Every job has got more complex and needs more training than was required 30 years ago.
    
    Unfortunately much of the training time has been diverted into other areas (poi waving etc) which have further limited the amount of training they get.
    
    Cops do however get some ongoing training. IMHO they should be getting at least 1 day a month in firearms training.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:39am
    - redqueen
      
      I’d argue it’s probably more the diversion of training, rather than the actual training required. The ability to drive a car, hit people when ‘reasonable force’ is justified, and understand how to deal with a variety of people (ranging from violent drunks to nice old grannies asking for help across the street) remains constant. Even when we had to fill manually fill out paperwork, you had to learn about the forms and process, so giving them an iPad and saying, ‘Do it on this’ isn’t a massive change in overall training (we’re not asking them to be technology experts). Things have certainly ‘changed’, but I’m not sure the quantum of training has changed as much as people often think (it’s just we’re doing a lot more useless stuff).
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:53am
      - Ehlana
        
        Probably also a society that is more diverse, with perhaps more complex needs which are not met elsewhere but left for the Police to deal with when it all finally spins out of control. For example, mental health issues, ethnic and therefore cultural and language diversity.
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:36pm
- westernScientist
  
  Given what cops do, 16 weeks seems like a very short training course. It is no wonder all they come out of it knowing the appropriate pronouns of the drawing at the top of the article.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Not everyone is as callous as you, and not everyone wants to be so, or should be so.
  I suggest you write to the police commissioner asking if you can donate your own corpse for training purposes.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:27am
  - redqueen
    
    It is not callous. They will encounter dead bodies, potentially in bits, and in all sorts of horrible variations (such as of small children). They aren’t joining a reading group. The same applies to the military, EMTs, doctors, nurses, etc. They need to be mentally prepared for what they are reasonably going to encounter. A lot of that is simple mental build up, some may require seeing real examples, etc. It’s not callous, but rather the nature of the job they’ve decided to do.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    How is that callous? People need to encounter things they will deal with in their job.
    
    A cop that can’t deal with dead bodies is not suited to being a cop. Not only should they be capable of looking at a dead body, they should be prepared to kill people and create dead bodies too.
    
    A nurse that can’t deal with blood is useless. A cop that can’t handle dead bodies is useless too.
    
    Next thing you will suggest they should not interact with criminals.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I just have some doubt that you need to practise stripping a dead body to prepare for any psychological impact of stripping a dead body. You quite correctly say that ‘they should be prepared to kill people and create dead bodies too’, but for some reason don’t suggest that they practise for that by killing people as a training exercise.
      
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  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You are not allowed to speak to the commissioner. Thanks to commandant Cindy
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “I cried all the way to the station”
  This is the woke emotional misfit that could be carrying a visible side arm??
  Falling to bits seeing a dead body? Best get a job working from home – in your bubble.
  NZ is going to the dogs
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:30am
  - redqueen
    
    It’s the wonders of a culture that emphasises ‘don’t like something, avoid it’. We know, of course, that the psychological solution is the exact opposite (you should be exposed to it, until you can deal with it). That doesn’t mean throw people in the deep end, but rather to build up their tolerance, so they can handle things. Instead, we flip back and forth between ‘just deal with it’ and ‘don’t worry, be happy’. It’s bonkers.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Exposes the ‘fight or flight’ and there is nothing wrong with the ‘deep end’ Deal with it!
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:12pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  it was called delivering a quota of new recruits as part of the labour election promises. At no point do they need to justify quality recruiting – it’s only about the #’s. Most recent police encounters i’ve had were young blokes that had got the facts wrong pulling me over. Every time i shake my head in disbelief that they “try it on” to meet their road policing quota.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:32am
  - Dougal10
    
    I know people with in car cameras , I always thought why? but with quotas to meet and poor policing being able to prove you were unjustly pulled over might just be handy .
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Once upon a time, if you did something wrong Mr Policeman would take you around the corner and boot your arse. Now, Plod wants you to take an anger management course for fucks sake
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:34am
  - redqueen
    
    There are a few downsides to extrajudicial beatings… 😉
    
    I prefer the police of my ‘youth’. I was outside the Trocadero at Piccadily Circus and some blokes had been lined up by the coppers (I assume they were drunk). One of the fellows suddenly turned around and caught a very young constable by surprise and knocked his helmet straight off with his punch (and landed straight in my hands). The constable reeled back and then suddenly lunged straight into the bastard (and got a good four or five decent strikes in) before the sergeant turned, saw it, grabbed him back a foot, and went ‘that’s Enough!’ (was very polite when I handed back the helmet and joked about ‘well, that must have been a good show, eh?’). No mamby-pamby ‘this is a major violations of that piece of shites human rights’, just you can’t keep doing it.
    
    Moral of the story: the Police didn’t need to use violence until warranted. Once warranted, reminding someone not to screw around is acceptable, but it isn’t an endless fount of violent excuse.
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:43am
    - kowtow
      
      how many blows by the copper on the drunk are ok to “teach him a lesson” , one , five , ten ?
      
      And no doubt the alleged drunk will also end up , rightly , if , and that’s a big if,the stop was initially justified , which we don’t know, with a conviction for assault police .
      
      Where does ‘justice’ begin and end.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:26am
      - redqueen
        
        If a matter ever got in front of a judge (for which I can’t know), it would have fallen under provocation and reasonableness test (he was young, responded based on being visibly disconcerted / using his primal instincts, etc.). He was stopped, again, reasonably, by his supervising officer, and no major harm was done (he guy took a few hits). If he’d gotten struck, composed himself, walked back to the car, drew out a firearm, and shot the fellow…well, I imagine that would not be considered ‘reasonable force’ 🙂 There is a reason we have a judiciary and these wonderful legal concepts, to keep even the police in check (the question being ‘where’ the line is).
        
        The fact that the sergeant, at the time, didn’t think it was necessary to take down any of our details, as witnesses, tells us it probably ‘never happened’. If the person had complained, while being handled in court, there’s limited evidence to prove any real harm was caused, and that would have been the end of it.
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The drunk learnt something. Don’t do this or it hurts.
        I have a lot of respect for the Police – but NOT the woke wimp Police
        
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        April 5, 2022 2:16pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Stories from my parents generation in a small town – police used to employ heavy extra-judicial beatings as a final warning to recidivists thieves etc before they got prosecuted and sent away for a long time. This was sometime effective at turning them around (having talked to a recipient of such a beating).
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:57am
      - redqueen
        
        And while there may be some ‘positives’, you end up with a lot of bullying. The Police aren’t social workers and if we want to employ them to give beatings, that would at least be more entertaining (all those modern raving SJWs having to do some real work…they’d all have to quit). But, more particularly, if there is any real benefit in corporal punishment, it should be a matter for the court to decide and used as a proper form of punishment (which I am not advocating, merely that ‘extra-judicial beatings’ doesn’t preclude ‘judicially sanctioned beatings’).
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:01pm
- MCōs
  
  Everybody reacts differently.
  I met a young woman once who trained for years to be a dentist down in Dunedin. Then she did some more training and became an orthodontist.
  By now she would have looked down countless gobs at some pretty unsightly scenes of rotten teeth.
  However
  After all that she had a nervous breakdown, or whatever the correct term is, on her first job when she was confronted with people whose mouths were smashed up in car accidents.
  She left the profession for a period to work in a supermarket or whatever before returning a year or so later.
  Those huge student loans gotta be paid off.
  Police, dentists, doctors, pathologists, undertakers know what they’re in for, but they mightn’t know how they’ll react.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will be hinting at defund the police, and the crazy government will be in boots and all
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Economics 101. Defund means exactly that, Govt can waste the money saved on their stupid projects – like advertising how great they are
    
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    April 5, 2022 2:21pm
judith8409121

Discussions yesterday about whether you can find out if an injury after a vaccine is a vaccine injury – some people had a concern that that was a difficult thing to do – there is a process called the Bradford Hill Criteria as discussed here :https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4589117/

good discussion from Jessica Rose applying the criteria to covid: https://jessicar.substack.com/p/lets-put-the-its-cuz-there-are-so?s=r
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April 5, 2022 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  Grease your mouse’s scroll wheel .. and have a look at this:
  
  2021-2022 Epidemic of Heart Issues in Athletes. Photographs, and outcomes presented in chronological order.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought upticks for that post would be knocking 100.
    Strange people on this blog today. Denial is NOT a river in Africa
    
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    April 5, 2022 2:24pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      When I look through that list I’m struck not just by the personal tragedy of each sportsperson, but impact on their family and friends. So horrible, and made much, much worse by the coverups.
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I have an email that I can’t extract the URL. Anyway, it is about Tennis, Miami Open. Fifteen fully vaccinated unable to finish – withdrew or retired. Cyclists also.
        Extract:
        “Nobody is pointing to the obvious. All of the players must be “fully vaccinated” in order to compete. Just as we’ve noted for several months, most major sports have been hit with “inexplicable” medical conditions popping up in young and otherwise healthy athletes, including our report that three cyclists fell in March alone.
        Folks, this is the jab. There is no other viable possibility, especially when we consider how even the CDC and other agencies have acknowledge the Covid “vaccines” cause increases in heart problems for young people, including myocarditis, pericarditis, and heart attacks.
        There has never been as much gaslighting and propaganda geared towards covering up the truth than with these injections. Leaders across the country and around the world have so much wrapped into the vaccines, one has to wonder who’s pulling the strings. Some of it is personal; any politician who comes out with the truth about the jabs will be pushed out of office faster than Will Smith’s exit from Hollywood’s elite club. The same is true for journalists. Corporate media is just as invested and possibly even more complicit in spreading the lies.
        But it may be worse than that. Like so many things we’ve witnessed over the last three years, there appears to be a coordinated effort to suppress the truth. Pandemic Panic Theater is still in action despite the odd February push by Democrats to lift most face mask and vaccine mandates. There are already talks of 5th and 6th jabs even as the 4th jab gets rolled out in the United States.”
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:02pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sadly though it is apparent in NZ that medical people are not applying the Bradford Hill Criteria. I know of many people who had adverse reactions who were dismissed by their doctors. It was all a coincidence. This was in ALL of the cases I am aware of. I don’t know of a single case where the doctor involved agreed it was worth taking further.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:05am
  - mawm
    
    It needs to start with the MoH. They are not doing post mortem examinations on patients suspected of dying from the vaxx and are doing the utmost to exclude them.
    
    Clan, try these guys – https://nzdsos.com/
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Cheers. They are a good bunch, it was great to see Matt Shelton and Peter Canaday getting their suspensions overturned this week. We need more people like this.
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:35am
    - krazykiwi
      
      At best it is unconscionable, or at worst it is illegal that otherwise healthy people who suddenly drop dead are not subject to an autopsy. One of our legal beagles will know more.
      
      When these autopsies have been done, pathologists often find microscopic blood clots (‘micro thrombi’) throughout the body, and a severely enlarged heart. But only in the previously vaccinated.
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Depends on the time after death
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:26pm
emmess

Some good news for once
Elon Musk buys 9.2% of Twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKDQmprlsbk
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April 5, 2022 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bring back Trump!
  #Trump 2024
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which Trump? The senile orange gasbag or one of his idiot spawn?
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Senile is what the US have now FFS, and he is a risk to the whole world the shit that has dribbled from his dripping mouth
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:08am
      - MCōs
        
        Fortunately he’s no longer president, no matter how much he ‘believes’ the election was stolen.
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike is in a strange bitter sarcastic mood today. Best ignored
        
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        April 5, 2022 11:29am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think I’m on pretty safe ground stating that neither Trump nor Biden should be anyone’s idea of someone mentally or physically competent to be president of the united states.
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike Trump.
      https://ca.linkedin.com/in/mike-trump-55b82420
      
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      April 5, 2022 3:29pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Would be great if he got effective control of board and censorship policies as enlightened as he appears to be. But escalation in price due to his interest will only slow thing up – and perhaps put him off. He could make a killing in general with just buying stocks and selling the peak as all the sheep flock after him.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:25am
judith8409121

Discussion going on in Australia about the mistakes around this forced jab –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEj-GfFPV6Y
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April 5, 2022 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Good to see some real questions being asked at a governmental level. Of course, the person responding to them is the typical slippery bastard who can’t answer a straight question with a straight answer. Obfuscation at it’s finest.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I wonder what will happen here now if we are offered a 4th jab, now that passes and signing in have gone, what will happen with the forced side of the argument.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Almost impossible to get someone like that Senator to put some serious heat on the NZ Govt.
  See where we are at under Labour?????
  We will be fucked over until we vote the bastards out
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:37pm
Lee C

Why EVs suck: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/massive-cargo-ship-carrying-electric-cars-sinks-in-atlantic-ocean-after-fire?fbclid=IwAR3nk0sPQRP0xKUTT33mhIzJnNgGLNqVjhTKsGdNgAvL1Oev8L0xyZJn4_g
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April 5, 2022 8:25am
- redqueen
  
  It sounds like the ship sucked…in the water and sank. The EVs just blew…
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:30am
  - Lee C
    
    .. If I’d paid more attention to the difference at college I might have got more dates!
    
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    April 5, 2022 8:47am
    - redqueen
      
      Quite so, sir, quite so! 😉
      
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      April 5, 2022 8:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Reminds me of the assertion that Wellington is windy because Auckland sucks so much 🙂
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. Who is going to repair them is the next big question. No Panel beaters worth their salt want a mobile bomb in their shop and remove the battery and you can be liable for future non performance.
  
  It’s like the morons never worked this through……
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:33am
  - alloytoo
    
    As incidences of these fires become more well known parking garages, exhibition halls, malls that contain dealerships or display sections will have to consider the Safety aspect of these things catching fire.
    
    ICE vehicles are typically only allowed in display spaces (non dealerships) with a minimum amount of petrol for safety reasons.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Morons that failed the test to join the Labour Party
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:31am
  - curry4me
    
    That’s a potential problem. Wait until there are some house fires caused by a coal powered car in the attached garage catching fire at an inconvenient moment. What will the insurance companies do?
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:48pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  same thing happened to laptop batteries a few years ago after the malaysian flight disappeared. then banned from airfreight and relagated to seafreight.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:13am
  - Batman
    
    You can carry up to a 100w battery onto a plane with you, from memory. That’s why the Apple MacBook Pro has a 99w battery
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. I knew this was an EV-sourced fire the minute I heard of the ship’s predicament. I wonder is fully charged batteries are more volatile than discharged batteries? The lithium is volatile no matter the change.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:16am
  - cmm
    
    There are two parts to it:
    * Chemical: Lithium is highly reactive stuff no matter if it is charged or not.
    * Charge state: All that electrical energy can cause massive problems in itself – eg if shorted.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You only have to speak to a fireman who attends a car accident, cutting roofs or doors are very awkward, you have to be careful where you cut, they say all cars are different, and some cars now you can’t even tell if they are EV, if they cut the wrong thing it can ignite, fire can not be stopped unless is is smothered from oxygen
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:17am
      - cmm
        
        Chemical reaction fires don’t even need oxygen.
        
        Most of the purpose in hosing the battery down is to cool it to a point where the reaction slows down and, preferably, stops.
        
        Worse yet, damaged batteries can reignite after the fire is “out”. Re-ignitions have been recorded as much as 22 hours after the fire was put out.
        
        https://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-training/articles/what-firefighters-need-to-know-about-electric-car-batteries-omiDv8vd87oZ9ZKs/
        
        Tesla even puts out special manuals on how to fire fight each different model of their cars.
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        cmm, salt water loves electricity. Those batteries just loved it
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:33pm
Jim

Remember in January 2022 when a federal judge in Texas ordered the Food and Drug Administration to make public the data it relied on to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, imposing a dramatically accelerated schedule that should result in the release of all information within about eight months.

That’s roughly 75 years and four months faster than the FDA said it could take to complete a Freedom of Information Act request by a group of doctors and scientists seeking an estimated 450,000 pages of material about the vaccine.

Well here’s an initial report on a successive Pfizer Trial data dump:
https://youtu.be/5eJ5TIT6zvk
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April 5, 2022 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s only data dump 2. Many many more to come. Already it’s showing that the “conspiracy theorists” knew more about this than the “experts”. Natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity. ADE is actually a thing, the more you vaccinate the more problems you’re going to get. Who would have thought it?
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The medical experiment is working. They are finding out what not to give you
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:34am
- Jim
  
  For the life of me I can’t understand the mentality of the ‘no reply down ticker’ as I would really like to hear their point.
  
  Why would such people not welcome full public disclosure of the Pfizer trial data that was accepted by the FDA?
  
  Do these people naively trust big corporations and regulators, or do they themselves have something to hide?
  
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  April 5, 2022 6:17pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/elon-musk-tweet-twitter-purchase-shareholder

C’mon Elon force them to bring back Trumpy!

We all miss his tweets
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April 5, 2022 8:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One of the reasons I liked Trump’s tweets is they were honest. He got to his target audience before the MSM could fuck with it and corrupt it. Twitter and MSM could not control their narrative
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:58am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But you still got his media release about his golf score, right?
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Unlike Biden who has a count of how many times he has shat himself at the podium, he even shaft himself with the pope Behahagahagaha
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:20am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Shafting oneself with the pope sounds unpleasant. Were you thinking of a renaissance-era Roman eunuch, perhaps?
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:45pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:53pm
ecco

Underwhelming announcement yesterday eh. Should have known with Jackson making his utterances yesterday. Wonder how much he gets paid to get wheeled out like that. Must be at least $500+ per hour, or maybe he gets paid per announcement.

I guess it’s Ardern’s South Auckland voter base that is still ending up in hospital due to obesity related issues. Hence her decision yesterday to continue with the ‘it’s still too soon’ trope. What about opening up Auckland separately. It was good enough to lockdown Auckland specifically for an extended period last year.

My heart really goes out to the hospo owners, retailers, tourism operators including hotels, air nz and Auckland airport etc with the constant moving of the goal posts and hollow promises. They are on their knees bleeding capital. They can see outdoor sports events where people are allowed to sit maskless, cheek by jowl, with the other 20,000 people in the crowd, yet they have their own special set of unneccessarily harsh restrictions with no end in sight. She’s obviously figured these business owners are just a few votes she’ll lose from continuing on her beligerent lockdown stance.

Anyway I’ve ripped up that vaccine pass and will walk out of any business that asks to see that now.
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April 5, 2022 8:41am
- ecco
  
  We must still be coming a close second to China in the world lockdown stakes. No one else is doing this crap and totally decimating their economy like Ardern is.
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    China only has regional lockdowns.
    In March 2020, while Wuhan was locked down, many of the other areas (eg the manufacturing areas) were in full swing.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:04am
- MCōs
  
  “My heart really goes out to the hospo owners”
  
  and
  
  “I’ve ripped up that vaccine pass and will walk out of any business that asks to see that now”
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Classic cognitive dissonance.
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bio-fascists don’t deserve a cent of my money. I’ll happily starve them of patronage, more so if it helps put them out of business.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:20am
  - Hebe123
    
    Yup, any business that asks to see a pass now deserves to go under.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:22am
    - Dougal10
      
      And all the ones that implemented the policy voluntarily under supposed health and safety policy.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:44am
  - RightNow
    
    I never had a vaccine pass but any hospo owner who demands to see one is welcome to shoot themselves in the foot.
    It’s those that were forced to implement the policy against their wishes that I feel sorry for.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Private Sector businesses deserve being rejected for asking for a pass. Trouble is the State Sector is full of little rabid control freaks. They don’t care if you walk away
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I hear South Auckland is very angry about the government also
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One year and there will be Yuge promises for South Auckland. Same promises that never happen – same people that vote for those promises.
    Psychology and all that shit
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:42pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “allowed to sit maskless”
  
  I’m just back from my first cafe visit in 4 months. The junior server was enforcing mask wearing, and because I won’t claim to have an exemption when I don’t, I reluctantly comply.
  
  But this wee thing was a bit over zealous. A chap came in unmasked in a wheelchair. She asked if he had a mask and he replied “I don’t need one when sitting down”.
  
  Brilliant.
  
  Imagonna find a wheelchair 🙂
  
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  April 5, 2022 12:09pm
  - curry4me
    
    Bought some cheese scones [delish] at the Foundation in the Central library. Can’t eat them in the lib. Can eat them outside though. My mask eemption works fine.
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    BAAAA!! put that in your pipe and smoke it!
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Does having a walking frame work? Got one in the shed – from my deceased Mother. Keeping it.
      70 year old man with walking frame launches his boat at Westhaven – alone LOL
      
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      April 5, 2022 3:48pm
bythesea

Don’t live in Auckland but speed limit reductions are happening all around the country. This is a list of 1600 reductions by Auckland Transport

https://at.govt.nz/about-us/have-your-say/proposed-speed-limit-changes-phase-three/full-list-of-proposed-speed-limit-changes/

I think there are 2 different things going on, which need to be talked about differently.
– slow urban zones – below 50
– rural road speed restriction

For some of the rural speed restrictions it seems it is the govt/council hell bent on punishing drivers because there is little recognisable cost/benefit.

For example in ChCh, Marshland Road heading to bridge over Waimak was recently set to 60 for its whole length. Used to be a 70 or 80 if i remember.
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April 5, 2022 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Zero deaths, and collect some dosh while they are at it
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:52am
- Harry Knuts
  
  they’re aiming both a zero for speed limit and road toll. at least they are ambitious.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The aim is way off target, oh sorry, the target moves 4 times a month
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:49pm
- Taieri
  
  These speed reductions are not sufficient and should be reduced further. The maximum speed limit on an open road should not exceed 6.4 km/h and 3.2 km/h in the city. A man with red flag should also be required to walk at a suitable distance in front of all vehicles.
  Only then we’ll have a chance to make a meaningful reduction in the unacceptably high road toll.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Woman’s bodies are not designed to go at 50mph.
    
    Any expert can tell you that uteruses will fly out of their bodies if the vehicle accelerates to such deadly speeds.
    
    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/67806/early-trains-were-thought-make-womens-uteruses-fly-out
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:52pm
- ecco
  
  Our street has a proposed change in speed limit from 50kmph to 30kmph which is f**king insane. It’s round the corner from a school. I’ve never even seen any kid come close to getting run over because the hover parents are out there en mass in the morning and afternoon at drop off and collection times.
  
  The Auckland TA needs to provide some stats of accidents etc to justify this change. It’s probably just a revenue gathering exercise from compliant citizens who’s only crime will be to go 31kmph.
  
  Why don’t they focus on the gangs that have taken over the motorways who are even beating up innocent motorists who go to the help of others or have been run off the road by the mob.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

That little climate change idiot James Shaw was on play school TV1 this morning.
I must send him this:
https://rumble.com/vynp47-boom-trump-mocks-john-kerry-ocean-will-rise-1100th-of-1-in-the-next-200-fck.html
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April 5, 2022 8:50am
Maggie Pie

DRAIN THE SWAMP.

Elon Musk’s stake in Twitter already has the cockroaches heading for the exit !

The whole place needs fumigating….and Elon’s just the man to do it.

https://twitter.com/MulhollandL0ver/status/1510961901236371464

FREE SPEECH FOREVER!

– Elon Musk
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April 5, 2022 8:53am
- MCōs
  
  That chap Mulholland doesn’t, and never did, work for Twitter
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:02am
- MCōs
  
  Furthermore
  
  Of course Elon Musk thinks he should be able to say what he likes on Twitter under the guise of free speech.
  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    If you like my posts Cossie, you’re freek’N awesome!
    
    If you’re offended, you’re freek’N welcome 😀
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:44am
    - MCōs
      
      How could I possibly be offended when you provide the only lighter moments amongst the terribly earnest comments on this forum.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:53am
Tricati

Listening to Ardern yesterday admonishing Russia for its abject cruelty towards the Ukraine people it was evident she was totally avoiding calling Putin a war criminal. To say they have added further sanctions (didn’t elaborate) on 30 Russian Oligarchs, but not name them, was again just the usual dribble without identifying those sanctioned.
If she wants to really admonish Russia, she needs to call in the Russian ambassador and ask them to justify publicly what is happening. If she doesn’t want to call in the ambassador, then they should be told to leave NZ and we recall ours from Russia. Ardern’s actions on Russia, like the support for Ukraine, is inept and unfortunately shows NZ as being weak in the eyes of our allies.
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April 5, 2022 8:54am
- nathie
  
  Goodness knows why she bothered to bring that up at the beginning of a press conference whose purpose was solely on the covid traffic light response.
  
  Perhaps her team thought it would make her look “stately”? I thought it made her look “scattered” (as in disorganised and unclear as to what the purpose of her “non-announcement” was meant to been about … i.e. throw in some other stuff to take attention away from her covid announcement amounting to nothing)? Regardless not a good look – amateur hour!
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:20am
  - Jim
    
    Ardern was playing her stateswoman role for the international audience (all to boost her international profile).
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:44am
- Simon
  
  ” inept and unfortunately shows NZ as being weak in the eyes of our allies.”
  
  Lol weak. Have you seen our so called allies recently? Senile Joe Bide & the rest of the woke, climate change bedwetters? Weak.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:31am
- MCōs
  
  Here is the full list here.
  Thirty six new names were added to the list yesterday. I suppose she could have read the list out at the start of the press conference, but it might have taken awhile.
  No doubt the ambassador, Georgy Zuev, would repeat the official line that it’s all fake news.
  I believe the reason he’s not chucked out is because the same happens to our ambassador, Sarah Walsh, who is also accredited to seven other countries around about. This could leave Kiwis over there underrepresented.
  https://www.mfat.govt.nz/assets/Countries-and-Regions/Europe/Russia-Sanctions-Register.xlsx
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:36am
- Yvette
  
  “Through our sanctions, we are working with the international community to put real pressure on those supporting Putin and his regime, and send a clear message that this illegal invasion cannot continue, and that the brutality and inhumane acts from Russian troops cannot be tolerated.”
  Mahuta said officials continued to work as quickly as possible to identify new individuals and entities meriting sanctions, and more measures would be announced in the coming weeks.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Mahuta didn’t say anything, she repeated what one of the government technocrats wrote for her.
    We have very few politicians, we have overpaid administrators. It’s a dismal situation.
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:13am
  - curry4me
    
    Maybe they can find an estate belonging to a Ukranian oligarch to host the “wedding of the millenium” if it is rescheduled? That’d show “solidarity”.
    
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    April 5, 2022 1:01pm
- Nickc2
  
  Trade Union ties to Russia are deeply ingrained. She wouldn’t dare upset the Trade Union Movement.
  In NZ, the Labour Party is the Trade Union’s Political Wing.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  None of us have any clue what is happening in Ukraine. Not a single clue. If you’re depending on mainstream media for what’s happening you are delusional. The Syria conflict is a good study in how media manipulation and narrative control is as important as the actual war itself.
  The best I’ve seen for analysis is Alexander Mercouris at The Duran.
  He has no skin in the game, is an excellent geopolitical analyst and gives his balanced thoughts on what is going on. He always points out he has no way of knowing for sure regarding apparent “evidence” being presented by all involved. It’s a mess.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b78DBvgzVJw
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is he the former barrister and fraudster now shilling for the Russkies for a living? Or is that a different Alexander Mercouris?
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:53pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yes, that’s him Milkey. You’re on the ball yet again. But rather than the usual ad hominem why don’t you watch the video and listen to his analysis, then get back to me and tell me what he got wrong.
      Take as long as you need.
      
      As for the fraud thing, as usual there are two sides to every story. Here is his.
      
      https://medium.com/@alexandermercouris/my-battle-with-depression-how-misdiagnosis-and-medical-malpractice-almost-killed-me-c24c0d3673fc
      
      He admits he did wrong at a bad time in his life. That doesn’t make his commentary on events in Ukraine any less relevant.
      As I said, watch it and listen and let me know what you disagree with and why. I’m very interested in what is going on over there. The implications for all of us are potentially deadly.
      My point is, I have no idea who is telling the truth and who is lying re events in Ukraine. I have learned after watching the propaganda re WMDs in Iraq, destruction of Yugoslavia and Libya, the 9 years of funding jihadis in Syria, the current illegal occupation of that country by the US and the western backed war in Yemen, that often nothing is as it seems and that the first casualty in war is truth.
      I’m trying to make sense of it. I’m not taking sides. If you have better sources let me know what they are.
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:33pm
      - Mike
        
        It’s unusual to have such enthusiastic ‘both sides’ comments in such a clear case of one country invading another without any justifiable reason. The Russian game is clearly to paint its regime’s opposition to the ideals of liberal democracy as a battle of equally corrupt ideologies.
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:20pm
      - Batman
        
        Meanwhile, Russian state media is running this kind of shit:
        
        “Unlike, let’s say, Georgia or the Baltics, Ukraine, as history has shown, is unviable as a national state, and attempts to ‘build’ one logically lead to Nazism”
        
        “The Banderite elite must be liquidated, its reeducation is impossible. The social ‘swamp’ which actively and passively supports it must undergo the hardships of war and digest the experience as a historical lesson and atonement”
        
        https://twitter.com/francska1/status/1510899136433901569?t=LsRa-4VG0pqfLhGrtHuN8w&s=19
        
        There is no equivalence at all.
        
        Those playing the anti-anti-Putin/Russia line are quite literally running defence for a planned genocide.
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That would be ‘unkind’ Jaspinda does not do ‘unkind’ just kind
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What did she even have to bring that crap up, to cover her disappointment from the voters I guess
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup – a diversion.
    As Americans say “Oh look, a squirrel”
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:53pm
Rusty

Looks like Putin is attempting a scorched earth policy in Ukraine by making the country unlivable and breaking the will of the people to accept a new order of living.

In NZ our PM is attempting a scorched economy policy on Nzers to break our will and force us to accept a new order of living.
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April 5, 2022 9:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Nah productive NZers with an interest in future personal prosperity will just vote with their feet. NZ’s high tax, low wages and anti-democratic racially regressive lawmaking make it an easy choice for working age people with the option of leaving.
  
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  April 5, 2022 1:19pm
kevn

@Tri… Send mahuta in.
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April 5, 2022 9:24am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Sean Plunkett LOSES IT at Taco Bell 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/David_Cormack/status/1510865308336402434
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April 5, 2022 9:26am
- Nukuleka
  
  And who exactly is low-life David Cormack? I’m all for free speech but… gross.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    An “influencer”
    
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    April 5, 2022 9:39am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      A regime aligned influencer
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:59am
      - Batman
        
        Haha he’s definitely not an influencer.
        
        He’s a political tragic, like many here, but just posts on twitter constantly.
        
        He’s about 20% less annoying than Clint Smith. I’m sure Tony can confirm either way 🤣
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:00pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    A political swamp creature that nobody wants at the moment.
    
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    April 5, 2022 2:56pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  His mistake was wearing a mask in the first place. 🙂
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:16am
- Jim
  
  Why do people think others are interested in the minutiae of their boring life?
  
  Before social media, such people were simply ignored and labelled as attention seekers.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:50am
- NoFax
  
  This David Cormack must be a complete moron if he thinks the vax pass (which is gone now) is the same as his vulgar example. His so-called parody is still illegal whereas vax pass is gone – maybe he can try to explain that.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:57pm
Yvette

Speaking at her weekly post-Cabinet press conference on Monday, Ardern said: “The reports of Ukrainian civilians who have been killed, raped and severely wounded by Russian troops is beyond reprehensible”

… While the expulsion of Russia’s ambassador remained an option under consideration, the Government had been focusing on “far more powerful tools”.
There would be more action on sanctions, imports, and support for international deployments

So, when? Now would seem a good time
“There would be more …” – so this is another bloody announcement of an announcement – more words, what we say we will do, instead of doing
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April 5, 2022 9:26am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Net closing in on the Democratic steal of the 2020 US election – more and more criminal ballot trafficking mules and their organisers being identified: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/exclusive-democrats-implicated-georgia-ballot-traffickers-using-democrat-officials-offices-stopping-points-ballot-drop-runs/
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April 5, 2022 9:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  The CCTV footage is damning. I wonder how they sourced the cellphone location data?
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    All those phone apps asking you to turn on location data send pings of your location to myriad servers every few seconds, and that data is aggregated into a track of your travels over time. Mostly accurate to within a meter or two. https://rumble.com/vyy0zs-true-the-vote-in-wisc-excerpts.html
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:20pm
Nickc2

Just revealed on the NewstalkZB Hosking show that the $2Bn bribe money for Council Bribes doesn’t have to be used for Water Projects. Such bribes can be spent on whatever the Council desires.
I wonder if any accounting for expenditure is required?
Me thinks there will be a lot of money spent on local Maraes.
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April 5, 2022 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Sorry that post was about 3 Waters Bribes.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:41am
- DimChappie
  
  Can’t find it Nick, who was being interviewed about the 3 Waters payments to councils?
  
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  April 5, 2022 12:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    No one, it was an off the cuff comment just before the end of his show.
    
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    April 5, 2022 1:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Councils can spend the do$h on whatever take$ their fancy
    
    “Councils can now apply for their share of $500 million in funding to spend on projects of their choosing – even those not related to water infrastructure.
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2204/S00029/bribes-wont-save-labours-three-waters.htm
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:57pm
Yvette

Ardern – perhaps the same psychological complex, but a different presentation?

After nine years in Opposition, Labour under Little in 2017 had no prospect of winning the up-coming Election, so hadn’t bothered with much policy. Then Jacinda Ardern happened, and they still had no policy, so faking it into office, when Winston post-Election decided what to do with all the votes he had been given, made her Prime Minister, Ardern decided to shove umpteen undecided matters sideways into working committees and think groups to come up with the missing policy – National counted them until they lost count. God knows if all the groups ever reported back, or just took the pay and faded away

Now a simpler delay (to accommodate her innate anxiety – see NEXT interviews) is to make announcements of announcements, and where needed make that announcement an announcement of yet another announcement.
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April 5, 2022 9:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yvette, it is a trick she learned from the “master of the meaningless soundbite, and also a non-entity politician who was in a desperate search for his legacy”, Tony Blair.
  
  The first 4 years of the Blair govt was all about fixing, “the years of Tory mis-rule” and fixing the NHS, fixing transport etc….The problem for Blair was nothing was really broken except for the Tory party under Major/Hesseltine and Northern Ireland.
  
  Northern Ireland in 1998, was Blair’s High water mark, after that there was nothing…..
  So, his government resorted to announcements about announcements. Blair’s spinmeister, Alistair Campbell kept the media content until the Iraq War 2003, this was until true investigative journalists with the BBC programmes such as Newsnight and Today started to question the government lines. So, as a distraction the Blair government resorted to announcements about upcoming policies. Only for people like Paxman and Humphreys, to question whether the latest govt announcement was in fact “new” or was a rehash about a previously implemented policy that hat had not achieved the desired outcomes. Eventually, even the tame media realised they were being taken for poodles.
  
  Now while this was going on, observing quietly from behind her desk in Downing Street, was the future leader of the NZ Labour Party and future NZ PM, Jacinda Ardern. Clearly, she didn’t hang around to see how it all ended for her mates Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, because in 2008 she was back in NZ challenging for the Auckland Central seat. The answer is Brown lost in 2010, you see the public eventually grow tired of the lies and the announcements about announcements, even if the paid for media don’t.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And the rotten Peters was all to blame, there was no need for him to go with Labour. Yet people think he is worth a vote this time around FFS
  
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  April 5, 2022 12:11pm
- Paulus
  
  Would love to see copy of the secret agreement Peters and Ardern made to get her in to PM role, as Winston was on a hate role with the Nats.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:20pm
Bobba Fret

John Campbell going to become the “Paddy Gower” of TVNZ!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/john-campbell-quits-breakfast-becomes-tvnzs-chief-correspondent/YYRNMKWJFHQJN76RTQH72MCVMU/
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April 5, 2022 9:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  What….and this makes him a serious journalist? Pull the other one, it will play jingle bells!
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:25am
- graham
  
  “Campbell will tell stories across TVNZ’s news and current affairs shows, on television and digital. He will also host a number of specials,” TVNZ said.
  
  Bugger … that probably means I’ll have to endure him on One News occasionally (which is on at the command of SWMBO).
  
  I see he will be replaced by Kamahl Santamaria. I have never heard of Mr Santamaria, but I have to say I like him already after reading about how he announced his departure from Al Jazeera:
  
  “Finally this half-hour we are always taught as journalists not to make the story about ourselves but it would be remiss not to mention that today has been my last day at Al Jazeera after nearly 16 and a half years.
  
  May many more so-called “journalists” in New Zealand take note of that. Even Mr Campbell could stand to learn from Kamahl Santamaria.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:30am
- Frank the tank
  
  [come on, leave the families out. Deleted. – Mod]
  
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  April 5, 2022 3:21pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, that was always going to happen. An ego like John Campbell’s never sleeps.
  IMO, it was only a matter of time before he wangled the opportunity to rid himself of those other no-hoping fuck-wits that comprise the Morning Show.
  I don’t like him and only watch with the sound muted I’m picking he’ll no doubt be working on his next promotion already.
  With the amalgamation of TVNZ and Radio NZ, watch this cretin climb further up the ladders of Rabid Socialism.
  
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  April 5, 2022 3:23pm
krazykiwi

Disney vs Democracy

Woke capitalism is a pox on the democratic process.

This is the case of the Republican governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, and his strangely notorious House Bill 1557. I say strangely notorious because I cannot for the life of me understand why there was so much fuss and fury about this bill that was signed into law last week. Its opponents called it the ‘Don’t Say Gay Bill’ (which is apt, in a way, given it doesn’t mention the word ‘gay’ once). They claim it’s a rotten homophobic and transphobic law that will make life even tougher for sexually confused youths in Florida. It might even ‘erase’ them. Wow. What does the law propose? Banning trans people from public spaces? Outlawing gay sex? Nope. It simply says there should be no ‘classroom instruction’ on issues of ‘sexual orientation or gender identity’ for schoolkids under the age of 10.

That’s it. I would wager that large majorities of people agree that kids aged six and seven should not be given instruction – ‘detailed information about how something should be done or operated’, according to my dictionary – on sexual matters. I certainly do. Hyper-woke parents might want their offspring to be schooled on the 72 genders and to pledge allegiance to the trans flag rather than the Stars and Stripes, but most mums and dads would rather their kids did maths, English and gym than gay sex, genderfluidity and pup play. And the new law does not forbid teachers from saying ‘gay’. Those things can still be discussed, so long as it’s done in an ‘age-appropriate’ way, the law says. I’m sorry, but the identitarians raging against this law are in effect insisting that teachers should have the right to instruct seven-year-olds on sex and gender-fluidity even if it’s not appropriate. Which, to be charitable, is iffy as hell
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April 5, 2022 9:47am
- Frank the tank
  
  Desantis has single-handedly turned Florida from a toss up to lean Republican State over the past 24 months. His dial is spot on and he gets every major issue correct and is winning the culture war in his state.
  
  If only we had leaders like him in this country instead of clowns that speak woke gibberish and have “boosted” tags on their Twatter account.
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:57am
  - Batman
    
    DeSantis’ polling is crap and a shitload of Floridians died while he is fighting the culture war myth, which is evidently why he’s got your seal of approval.
    
    You should take a breather from the Kool aide funnel on occasion. It’s not good to be so completely immersed in the hype train.
    
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    April 5, 2022 4:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      Here’s an article about his polling.
      While the chap is still 53% he’s slipped from 62%
      https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/desantis-ahead-of-crist-fried-taddeo-in-latest-florida-gubernatorial-poll/
      
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      April 5, 2022 6:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Even you should be able to work out that the deliberately broad and vague language in the bill is designed to have a chilling effect, combined with the noxious arrangements to incentivise parents to sue teachers and school boards.
  The law would likely make it illegal for teachers to tell children that they have a same-sex spouse, for example. Technically, they could not tell children about their hetero relationships either, but the Florida snowflakes aren’t going to sue anyone about that, are they?
  As for Disney, it’s likely to put its business, staff, and customers’ interests ahead of any petty revenge Florida hotheads imagine they can inflict.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Even me”, huh? Gosh. Now, I didn’t read the bill, but I guess you did. Brendon O’Neill (spiked’s chief political writer) read it, and I’ll take his analysis ahead of yours every day of the week. Another extract:
    
    For too long the woke elites have tried to use schools to socially re-engineer kids away from the values of their parents and towards the eccentric political and sexual ideologies of the new establishment, and this bill seeks to address that. It is an outrage that big business wants to use its economic power to scupper this perfectly legitimate democratic process. Many voters and parents in Florida are sick of being demeaned by woke elites and right-on bosses, and their voices must be heard.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Is that an extract from the bill? Seems a bit wordy and ranting.
      
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      April 5, 2022 12:56pm
      - Batman
        
        Any ‘analysis’ using the terms ‘woke’ and ‘elites’ is not analysis but merely partisan masturbatory safe-spacing.
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:06pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The law would likely make it illegal for teachers to tell children that they have a same-sex spouse, for example.”
    
    Good.
    
    Why should teachers be discussing their personal relationships with young children?
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Do you think teachers should b e able to mention their heterosexual partners or children when teaching other children?
      Sample conversation:
      “Mrs X, are you married”?
      “Sorry Johnny, I cannot tell the class anything about my family, as it might upset some of the parents”.
      “But, Mrs X, who is that man who dropped you off ate school this morning”?
      “Sorry Johnny, I’m not allowed to tell you anything about anyone who might or might not be part of my family.”
      
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      April 5, 2022 1:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If that’s what you think Mikey- [deleted. Final warning – Mod]
        
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        December 5, 2021 2:47pm
      - rouppe
        
        Seriously? How about:
        
        “None of your business, Johnny, do your math!”
        
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        April 5, 2022 2:06pm
      - Mike
        
        Seriously, you never heard anything from your kids about a teacher’s life? Kids that I know, and have known, are always asking questions. Perhaps your kids are remarkably incurious.
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:55pm
      - Mike
        
        Reported AoR’s comment. Accusing a commenter of being a groomer is surely a breach of the comments policy.
        
        [We have dealt with it. For clarity, yes calling another commenter a groomer is unacceptable – Mod]
        
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        April 5, 2022 3:57pm
  - David George
    
    It is intended for pre-pubescent kids mik so fair enough as far as I can see.
    There are some seriously sick sickos trying to indoctrinate kids with this BS so I guess the definitions need to be broad lest they weasel their way round it. Some of these sick fucks are actual promoters of paedophilia – the next frontier in the sexual liberation war – as they say.
    
    Good on De Santis for calling them out and shutting them down, and for the parents that have enough sense to recognise the danger.
    
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    April 5, 2022 10:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      From 4 years old to 7 years (inclusive)
      People forget that sexual abuse by Teachers is an ongoing problem.
      All the Polling shows majority support from Floridians for this Bill.
      
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      April 5, 2022 11:55am
      - curry4me
        
        The bill has a lot of support from Democrats in FL too. Not just Republicans.
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:10pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Maybe they see this whole “CRT is not taught in schools” lie/sophistry and decided that they needed to be broad and vague so those teachers who are currently “not teaching CRT” can’t use the same techniques to “not give instructions on sexual and gender identities”.
    
    There are literally schools in the US that are actively helping kids transition and actively hiding it from the parents. No level of sophistry should be allowed to let them keep doing this. Broad and vague language is unfortunately needed to ensure this behaviour is stopped.
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:58am
    - Batman
      
      A wonderful bit of projection here, given that not a single shred of evidence is provided for the claim that CRT is being taught in schools, or that any school is helping a student transition and hiding it from the parents.
      
      It is pure sophistry and an outright lie. But evidence isn’t the point, it is really about digging in on the frontlines of the culture war and trying to win some parents who aren’t extremely online, over to their side.
      
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      April 5, 2022 12:37pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        “It is pure sophistry and an outright lie”
        
        At least you admitted the value of your first paragraph. You are correct that I didn’t include evidence of the facts I provided. They are easy to find if you look however. I won’t bother because you have a tendency to attack the source (even though we’re talking about actual lawsuits etc).
        
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        April 5, 2022 12:59pm
      - David George
        
        Nonsense Batty, it’s rife in the US and coming for our kids now:
        “So while grade-school children may not actually be reading texts by Ibram X. Kendi, Richard Delgado, Derrick Bell, and Robin DiAngelo (and make no mistake — they may also be reading those), there is no doubt that public schools across the nation are teaching children the fundamental tenets and presuppositions of CRT. This is done, at a minimum, indirectly through structured curriculum, classroom activities, and specific policies. And in many districts, it is often done directly as well.
        
        For example, when schools separate out white and black children in different classes, they are teaching children one of CRT’s core presuppositions: that white people, solely by virtue of their skin color, are oppressors, and that black and brown people, solely by virtue of their skin color, are victims — victims of white supremacy and the systemically racist system that prevents people of color (POC) from succeeding in America. Because they are victims, POCs need to be separated from whites and organized into groups with other POCs”
        
        “In other instances, schools are being caught instructing teachers how to teach CRT directly to students. Teachers are being trained in CRT’s key terms and presuppositions and then taught how to implement the ideology’s tenets in the classroom.
        
        So the next time you hear that CRT is not being taught in public schools — don’t believe it. And the next time a pundit insinuates that objections to CRT at school board meetings are without merit and in furtherance of violence, identify the gaslighting for what it is and carry on.”
        Additional reading:
        https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/mom-says-atlanta-school-racially-segregated-daughter-lawsuit/
        
        https://www.dailywire.com/news/fairfax-school-district-sends-educators-powerpoint-on-how-to-implement-critical-race-theory-in-the-classroom
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s unlikely CRT would be taught directly in schools outside some hell-holes in the Third World.
        
        However, the philosophy, and doctrine that springs from CRT is influencing curricula and teachers in Woke countries, and dominating curricula and teaching in the Widest Woke.
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:23pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Sorry David George – NYPost isn’t a reliable source to cite. They posted that whole Hunter Biden Laptop Russian propaganda remember?
        
        It’s easy to believe something if you simply discredit everyone saying something else.
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:58pm
      - Batman
        
        Thanks for all proving my point. Citing more culture wars mythology and opinion pieces from nakedly partisan sources merely shows that you are not willing to honestly engage with the topic but instead find reaffirming sources which promote cognitive dissonance.
        
        It’s all very comforting but it’s not actually a cogent argument for the existence of CRT in schools or for it’s imagined tenets to trickle down to schools from higher education.
        
        Though it is interesting that the viewpoints of multiple black Americans that their experience of America isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, is so hotly fought against by whole lot of white conservatives. Curious, very curious…
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:13pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        The American comedian Bill Maher, while describing himself as an “unmarried, childless, pot-smoking libertine” is not being red-pilled into voting for the Republicans, especially in his home state of California. But he sees reality.
        
        It’s not my fault that the party of FDR and JFK is turning into LOL and WTF.
        
        It’s not me who’s changed, it’s the left, who is now made up of a small contingent who’ve gone mental. And a large contingent who refuse to call them out for it. But I will.
        
        That’s why I’m a hero at Fox these days. Which shows just how much liberals have their head up their ass, because if they really thought about it, they would have made me a hero on their media. . . .
        
        People sometimes say to me, You don’t, you didn’t. You didn’t used to make fun of the left as much. Yeah, because they didn’t give me so much to work with. The oath of office I took was to comedy. And if you do goofy shit, wherever you are in this spectrum, I’m going to make fun of you because that’s where the gold is.
        
        The guy in the audience who is not laughing is some guy named “Batman”.
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:06pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m not arguing that American liberals are good or right. I certainly don’t care for what Bill Maher thinks about them.
        
        I am only saying that the culture war fear porn (just as was tried in the 80s and 90s) is a hoax designed to activate, as they say in politics, certain parts of the red base.
        
        And boy oh boy, it is certainly effective as is evidenced by the frothy posts about it!
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:16pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I am only saying that the culture war fear porn (just as was tried in the 80s and 90s) is a hoax …
        
        When you say “fear porn” and “hoax” you’re using US Liberal talking points to deny claims about the teaching of CRT in schools, which is the same as “arguing that American liberals are good or right.”
        
        And this “fear porn” would not have gained traction in state like Virginia if it was only GOP talking points backed by Fox News, etc, etc. The Dems blew that state election for Governor because a lot of Dem voters got to see what their kids were being taught during Zoom classes and objected. Strongly.
        
        But what the hell, let’s go with another GOP-Fear-Porn-Culture-Warrior…
        
        The other big teachers’ union, the National Education Association, has explicitly called for teaching children CRT, pledging to publicize “an already-created, in-depth study that critiques white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy… capitalism… and other forms of power and oppression.” They back The 1619 Project as a teaching tool. So all the unions, the governor, the Virginia education department, the paper of record, and the federal government think CRT is obligatory for teaching children. But absolutely none of that ever, ever reaches into the classroom. Please.
        
        Of course it does. To use a term the woke might understand, it is, in fact, structural.
        
        That of course is Mr Gay Marriage himself, Andrew Sullivan and there’s more like that at the link. Mind you, I see he ran into trouble on Jon Stewart’s latest show and is now just another Old White Male Racist, so there’s that. You can hurl that against him.
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:45pm
  - Homas
    
    “Even you should be able to work out that the deliberately broad and vague language in the bill is designed to have a chilling effect…”
    
    Perhaps we should follow the example of the precise and non-chilling language of hate-speech legislation?
    
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    April 5, 2022 1:21pm
    - Mike
      
      Another example of a bad law.
      
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      April 5, 2022 4:08pm
- Nickc2
  
  The Democrats are shit scared that Ron DeSantis could be the next POTUS and if not, VPOTUS under Trump.
  Weirdos are aplenty in the US, not just Floria.
  We are somewhat more fortunate, all ours are in Wgtn and they call themselves the Govt.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The Dems are deluded if they think it will make a scrap of difference, if Trump runs he will bolt in, he is polling well ahead of Biden, and further ahead of Harris, I note Clinton is starting to fo her word soup bullshit, Trump would bet her too, Desantis maybe the VP , although I hear there has been some angst between the two
    
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    April 5, 2022 12:17pm
    - Batman
      
      I presume you mean to caveat that with “if an election was held tomorrow.”
      
      Because we are well over two and a half years out from the general election, and two years from getting into primary season. A prediction in April 2022 is not worth the bytes it is written with.
      
      But for the sake of banter, my prediction is that it will be close as per usual and there is a better than even chance that Trump is NOT the nominee 😜
      
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      April 5, 2022 12:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s 535 days from the 2020 election to today.
        
        From today to the last date on which the next general election can be held is 652 days, that is 1.786 years. We are well less than 🦇Batman’s two and a half years away from the next election.
        
        We are 45 per cent through the maximum term of this Parliament.
        
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        April 5, 2022 1:20pm
      - Batman
        
        Jack are you talking about NZ? I’m talking about the USA.
        
        The US election is in November 2024. Which is 945 days from now, if you want to exact.
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Still got that list of Kiwiblog pro Trumpers, Batman?
        Tell us in 2024.
        
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        April 5, 2022 4:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re 🦇Batman’s 4.18 post:
        
        😖Yes, sorry, Batty: careless reading by me. I confused your American election with NZ’s.
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  We don’t ‘educate’ kids on suicide or eating disorders in schools because as easily influenced and irrational as they are it tends to produce more suicides and eating disorders. How could this not be the case for transgenderism? Kids suffering from other issues (particularly autism) being wrongly convinced that sexual identity is the real reason they are unhappy – and waking up to the mistake only in their 20’s after irrevocably physically harming themselves.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s not the job of School Teachers FFS! They can’t even teach what they are there to teach.
    Teachers should be informing the School Head if a kid appears to be having problems etc and leave it up to the School Head and local Psychologists/Psychiatrists who are qualified in such matters.
    I dread to imagine what would happen if some snotty nose School Teacher told one of my Daughters “don’t worry darling, you’re really a boy and things will be fine.”
    
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    April 5, 2022 11:28am
    - MCōs
      
      You seem to have a low opinion of teachers.
      
      Interestingly there’s a number of teachers in our whanau and at times they have a low opinion of some of parents; particularly those who are spun a yarn by their kids.
      Back in the good old days parents backed up the teachers. Not so much these days.
      
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      April 5, 2022 5:41pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What should teachers be allowed to tell their pupils when there is a suicide at the school?
    
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    April 5, 2022 1:04pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      They should be offering counselling with qualified counsellors?
      
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      April 5, 2022 2:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sounds like the [stop now or you’ll be banned – Mod] doesnt have kids.
        Any decent parent would know the answer to these questions.
        
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        December 5, 2021 2:50pm
      - Mike
        
        So should a teacher be allowed to answer this question from a 7-year old:
        “Miss, what is suicide”?
        
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        April 5, 2022 5:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Not the teacher’s job. They’re not qualified. Leave it to professionals who have the expertice.
      
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      April 5, 2022 3:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick sonny. The Teachers could educate common sense. The Teachers should educate the kids to call emergency, with or without the Teacher’s opinion.
      
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      April 5, 2022 4:38pm
Maggie Pie

0800NEWCOPS 😎

“If you don’t want to be on Police 10/7 maybe you should consider other career options”

But honestly, you gotta feel sorry for the ‘new recruits’ out there.
Taser some asshole, or give them a bit of a tickle-up in the cells…. don’t expect any understanding or support from the IPCA.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1511029345350938628

All this for $33 an hour. Why bother? Put your name on the Labor Party list….you never know these days.
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April 5, 2022 10:32am
Surely Knott

Still no word on the outcome of the Teachers court case on mandates? Any word on the lady in Remuera who died – autopsy, medical outcomes? Any word on the haematology report for the teenager who died after a run along the beach – she died after the vaccine but medsafe suspected it was another medicine and were awaiting the haematology report. Has that other medicine been named and the public warned?
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April 5, 2022 10:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apparently we don’t do autopsies in NZ. Everybody dies with covid. Nuff said.
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Pauline Polkinghorne’s death STILL remains….. ‘unexplained’
  And it was a year ago today!
  
  She was one of the top cats at Counties Manukau DHB, closely involved in the COVID stuff.
  All the ingredients are there for a bollywood movie….a top eye surgeon, hookers, drugs, a house fire, private investigators, a masseuse, hairdresser, and to top it off, this occurred under our noses in Remuera!
  
  >>>Latest update just came thru a bit earlier…
  
  http://a.msn.com/01/en-nz/AAVQKas?ocid=st
  
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  April 5, 2022 11:47am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I have to she presented well as a 63yr old!!!
    
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    April 5, 2022 3:24pm
cmm

More crap policing in Franklin. Police too scared to get stuck in and sort out offending because…. I can’t understand why.

C’mon cops, these are scummy criminal gang members. Deal to them. That is your job. You have the monopoly on violence. This is your role in society.

“Motorists through the area should plan for potential disruption.”

Wrong attitude. This is not a natural disaster/weather event outside of your control. This is something the cops can control. If they are disrupting law abiding motorists then the police are failing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-reviewing-footage-of-gang-convoy-in-franklin-potential-disruption-to-motorists/RPBSYNZLRQL56TWMAAMZ7BB6CA/
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April 5, 2022 11:09am
kevn

@cmm… The police could pretend it is just a Freedom gathering. Get a few of the ‘tough’ (not) cops to volunteer/ and deal to them labour voters on bikes.
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April 5, 2022 11:50am
- Nickc2
  
  Perhaps the Police don’t want to pitch cuzzie against cuzzie?
  
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  April 5, 2022 12:13pm
Nickc2

Willie Jackson sings his own praises.

THE WHITE MAORI
Colonisation has failed Maori

* I live in a Multi-Million Dollar House,
* I have three Cars,
* I earn over $250,000.oo a year,
* Every year, I take two luxury holidays, and
* I have made hundreds of thousands of Dollars on Maori Boards & Trusts.

Colonisation has failed me.

Courtesy of the NZ OBSERVER.
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April 5, 2022 12:38pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wow! What would Bob Marley say? His belly’s full and he’s still hungry?!?
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:13pm
Maggie Pie

Ma was just telling me she’s enjoying the new pairing of Mark Richardson & Lea Panapa on MagicTalk.
A breath-of-fresh-air she reckons after that idiotic Danny Watson.

And reckons they’re far better than those other 2 wokesters on 1ZB ….who bore everybody sh*tless talking about their own families illnesses all afternoon.

She was just saying.
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April 5, 2022 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And ma just txt to say….”if you’ve got nothing on about 2:30 this arvo, tune into Ch86 and watch Q:IO in The House.”
  
  Sounds like a beauty she reckons.
  
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  April 5, 2022 1:39pm
rouppe

Story in the Horrid (sorry) about a study saying JUST ONE DROPLET of COVID is enough to infect and means masks are absolutely crucial.

Well, the real question is, what happens if you catch COVID? For the vast majority, next to nothing. So mask up if you are at risk, but for the love of God let us healthy people make our own choices
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April 5, 2022 1:48pm
- MCōs
  
  You don’t need to love God to make up your own mind.
  Have you heard of anyone arrested for not wearing a mask?
  But don’t be surprised if other people don’t go along with your way of thinking and insist you wear one where it’s their responsibility to ensure people on the premises wear one.
  
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  April 5, 2022 10:32pm
John Pakes

An interesting fellow popped up in the Rotorua Daily Post recently. His real name is Jamie Patrick Ransfield, but he uses the pseudonym Jae Ratana.
Seems as though as Jae Ratana he was influential in setting up the protest in Parliament. He built a social media following by posting antivax and conspiratorial content. The Post reports that he collected about $20000 dollars for his troubles, which could be pretty handy for him as he is behind with his bills in town. When asked where the money went, he said that it was all OK as it had been “ticked off”.
Seems that he now is a “Common Law Sheriff”. An Aussie women named as Sandra Crack ran a zoom meeting wherein she stated ” we are at the point where we are voting on the death penalty for child abuse, genocide, classicide (sic) and murder – which is Covid.” One by one they all passed the death sentence on the Government. Good ol Jae was there, front and centre.
It also appears that Jae can pick and choose whether a bit of common law is valid or not. That is very appealing to an anti vaxer as it provides for him a framework for exempting himself from being vaccinate or wearing a mask etc etc.
This could all be a happy way to go for those in the protest movement and for many in this blog who appear to agree with Jae’s opinion, i.e. who are opposed to everything that the Government has done and is doing re Covid.
Become a sheriff. Choose your law. Do as you like.
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April 5, 2022 1:56pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “Become a sheriff. Choose your law. Do as you like.”
  
  That’s it! You are Ardern’s career guidance councilor.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:44pm
Lee C

Healthy young used to die suddenly all the time before 2020.

What’s the big fuss, you stupid conspiracy theorists??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQVxIssC7s
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April 5, 2022 2:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  You know the old trope Lee, we’ve had it rammed down our throats for a while now. “Correlation is not causation” but only when it comes to vaccine adverse reactions. Apparently any death within 28 days of a positive covid test IS a covid death. That must be the exception to the rule. That’s why you need to control the narrative! Don’t mention changing the definition of a “case”, “vaccine” or “pandemic” to fit the story either.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The deaths and injuries are cataloged here.
  
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  April 5, 2022 2:42pm
I remember when

An apparently law abiding bikie:
While driving home earlier I noticed a couple of Mobility Scooters on the footpath ahead.
When I was parallel I noticed that the lead Scooter was riden by a large, older Maori wearing a very red t-shirt.
Any police were obviously maintaining a very covert surveillance.
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April 5, 2022 2:30pm
Maggie Pie

NEWS FLASH…

“Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!”

– Martin Luther King, Jr

This country’s only ‘Political Prisoner’ is FREE at last 😎

https://twitter.com/ApostleTamaki/status/1511109464144834562
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April 5, 2022 3:20pm
- mandk
  
  I guess the question is: was he detained for undertaking activities that are protected by the BORA?
  
  If yes, he was indeed a political prisoner.
  
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  April 5, 2022 3:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, home d is not prison, it is a place where naughty boys are kept from making statements.
  
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  April 5, 2022 4:28pm
krazykiwi

The headline

How WOMEN are suffering most from the fallout of Covid: NHS gynecology waiting lists have soared 60% during pandemic – more than ANY other field as experts claim women are being ‘let down’ by system of ‘gender bias’

I guess the ‘experts’ must be referring to it’s all those men with vaginas flooding the waiting lists.
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April 5, 2022 3:40pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Surely womin of color are the worst off! They are with everything else…
  
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  April 5, 2022 3:58pm
surfing

Theres a new crim in town, a turkey called “Troy Mudford” .

Real piece of work, google him. I imagine he will be a recurring news item in future.

He should have been released from prison in July 2021. Which is odd, because he has been charged with a crime that occurred in Jan 2021…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/128257740/night-of-captivity-extortion-and-violence-after-drug-purchase-goes-awry-crown-says

Excellent news is that he has the perfect alibi because he was in prison at the time of the alleged offending… unless they let him out early for good behaviour of course.
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April 5, 2022 4:25pm
rouppe

Seems like Peeni Henare asked to send Javelin missiles to Ukraine and cabinet refused.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/russia-ukraine-war-nz-defence-minister-asked-to-give-ukraine-lethal-aid-cabinet-said-no/FOL66ATLDASTPTA6ZTT763PKOY/

But the article says they cost $1,000,000 each. Elsewhere I’ve read they cost some $80,000 presumably USD, which is about $115,000 nzd.

So which one is right?
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April 5, 2022 4:55pm
- Batman
  
  Depends on whether you’re talking about a package that includes the launcher and training and all associated materials, or just the warhead which gets fired.
  
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  April 5, 2022 4:58pm
- [email protected]
  
  $80,000 sounds closer to the truth. The Javalin is an infra-red guided anti tank weapon. Last I heard, the much larger, more sophisticated Sidewinder infra-red guided missile that shoots down airplanes costs about US$150,000.
  
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  April 5, 2022 7:22pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder what the poor-people are having?

Just shot up to the shops and bought 2 doz Barnes-Wild-Bluff-Oysters and a bottle of Pons Sherry Vinegar. TOTAL $107.00

And that’s just dessert!!
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April 5, 2022 4:57pm
- Mike
  
  I wish I had your imaginary lifestyle, Maggie. My imagination only runs to Lion Red and KFC.
  
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  April 5, 2022 5:08pm
  - westernScientist
    
    Its no wonder NZ is going to shit when that is what people eat and drink.
    
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    April 5, 2022 5:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly milkey, you remind me of the type of person my gran used to talk about….
    
    “Even if a bee could explain to a fly why pollen tasted better than shit…..a fly would not understand”.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    April 5, 2022 5:51pm
- MCōs
  
  At one office I worked in we had oysters delivered direct from Bluff every Friday evening and gobbled them down straight out of the tin as soon as they arrived.
  
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  April 5, 2022 6:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh Cossie…that sounds sooo Mangere 🙁
    
    I put ours atop ice-cubes, eaten with cake forks and little dippy dishes of sherry vinegar & champagne.
    
    Youse should try it sometime
    
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    April 5, 2022 6:41pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I used to eat oysters regularly when I was young and rich.
      Now that I’m old and poor I have to depend on winning the raffle at the club. And it hasn’t been kind to me lately.
      Maybe tomorrow.
      
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      April 5, 2022 9:46pm
    - MCōs
      
      That was long before we moved to Auckland.
      It was a structural engineering office so we didn’t indulge in unnecessary trivialities.
      
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      April 5, 2022 10:21pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Oysters were a staple diet in London of the 18th century!!!
  
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  April 5, 2022 8:00pm
  - greybeard
    
    So was gin.
    
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    April 6, 2022 6:52am
fernglas

Bryce Edwards points out an appalling trail of incompetence or corruption which has seemingly been swept under the carpet by the Government
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/04/bryce-edwards-questions-of-corruption.html
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fernglas

Already, in the first four days of April, the number of people leaving has exceeded the number arriving by around 2500. Six hundred a day for a year? Wow. Whatever happened to the “Brain Gain”

https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-arrivals-departures/
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April 5, 2022 6:44pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  So much for the boost to the property market caused by all those cashed up kiwis returning home
  
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  April 5, 2022 9:52pm
Maggie Pie

Ma called a moment ago to see if I watched any of Question Time?
Told her I was out getting the Oysters for dinner so missed it.

She was saying she noticed that creepy guy Kieran McAnulty had changed seats and was now sitting even closer to Jacinda 🙁
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