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Warren

I wonder how many of the team of 5 Million have finally found out that our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s talk of being kind and caring is just a catch phrase to help her stay in power.
After the mess she has made in her lies about Louisa Wall and her bullshit of what a talented member of her team she was we find out it’s all talk with no substance.
Now we see that Jacinda won’t be in Parliament for Louisa Walls valedictory speech with the excuse that all other leaders do the same on Thursday to get out and converse with the public , what a lame excuse from a Prime Minister that trifles with words like Misogyny at the opposition but try’s to cover up her hate for Louisa Wall.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300563234/pm-jacinda-ardern-will-not-attend-louisa-walls-valedictory-speech
Is this a Political Leader we need in New Zealand or is it right for our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to run with the hares and hunt with the hounds. Maybe we have just found out how petty and childish our Prime Minister really is.
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April 12, 2022 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She still has tremendous support and with Greens will form the government in 2023. So nothing else matters. Have you seen any poverty marches on the street? Have you seen any report by the Salvation Army (stopped donating them long ago once I realised they are Labour party stooges) about poverty levels in NZ? So it proves Kiwis are happy with Cindy.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bullshit Cullen
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:51pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yep. Some still don’t get it. New Zealand is FUCKED. It is OVER. When the next Mass Kiwi Exodus to Australia starts, the proportion of Jacinda fangirls and soyboys who stay behind will only grow. The “opposition” effectively vanished during the mandate protests, leaving many others feeling so disenfranchised they will not vote at all. If Ardern loses in 2023, a Luxon government will do little to reverse the devastating policies of the last 10 years or purge our public institutions of its woke infestation and sleepwalk to defeat in 2026. I suggest learning to trade crypto, cashing out and leaving it all behind.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:08pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    No like Trump has a very parochial base but outside of that base everyone hates her guts. Take a trip to the burbs SCS in your everyone loves Cindy and Ginny sweater and see how long you last.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:15pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Indeed. The real reason is she has no control over what Wall will say and she wants to avoid photos of herself looking like she’s sucked a lemon. Listening to her rewrite recent history to Ryan Bridges the other day was a demonstration in how a pathological, lying narcissist will argue black is white. His face was worth a thousand words, but it was clear Ardern thought she’d squared him away…just no self awareness or EQ at all
  
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  April 12, 2022 6:53pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In recent years Plunket has corporatised & bi-culturalised at considerable expense. In 2020 $70m was spent on salaries – you can bet your hat on there being six figure execs. Now they can’t find $400k to fund core services.

CEO Amanda Malu cries crocodile tears, but should take a long, hard look at her choices.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/04/plunket-cuts-crucial-service-for-new-parents-due-to-a-lack-of-funding.html
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April 12, 2022 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Excellent! I was moved by Malu’s crocodile tears and was planning to donate $400K from my Job seeker allowance….
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:14pm
- kevn
  
  Plunket was one of the first organizations John Key got behind to keep it fully operational.
  Think of the millions, nay billions the incumbent clown circus have wasted.
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:05pm
- Ehlana
  
  Bi-culturalised? Sounds like that might have been a waste: https://www.teaomaori.news/racist-plunket-has-no-place-hauora-overhaul-dr-rawiri-jansen
  
  “Jansen says he met the Plunket board last year and told its members they needed to acknowledge its history and structural bias by transferring its contracts and assets over to a new organisation.”
  Amazingly, Plunket said no.
  
  Talk about arrogant. Plunket is a voluntary private sector group, whose assets belong to its members. If its services don’t work for Maori, what is stopping Maori setting up their own group and seeking a similar contract from the government?
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It has been gutted for years.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kate-hawkesby-plunket-has-lost-its-way-by-turning-corporate/FDCWZDBCSP74M4UAE2S5EMGEGE/
    
    Some folks have made a mint out of this charity.
    
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    April 12, 2022 6:02pm
Yabster

David Seymour on co-governance- worth a listen:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/the-country/audio/david-seymour-weve-gone-beyond-supporting-treaty-settlements/
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April 12, 2022 8:02am
Tricati

Heard on Kate Hawkesbury’s show this morning a news item regarding the He Puapua report and how the process is being aligned to the NZ signing the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, and that Willie Jackson is leading the charge for its implementation. The item had the PM with her usual word soup trying her hardest confuse the issue, and it seemed throwing Jackson under the bus. The key point is, I haven’t heard it on the news since and no mention in MSM, so has the word come from PM minders to close the item down.
And secondly, the increase in support to Ukraine seems a little coincidental given the upcoming trip for the PM and Labour’s low polling. No point is [in] sending any front-line troops as they are leaving the Defence Force in numbers due to being security guards at MIQ.
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April 12, 2022 8:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Labour leaking?

Wall’s laid bare that they’re not all on the same team and the captain’s not in total control of the Good Ship Lollipop as she would have us believe.

The door’s clearly not open to all in the captain’s cabin, testified by one Cabinet minister who sought me out at a social function recently to enlighten me about disharmony in the ranks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/louisa-wall-quits-politics-barry-soper-jacinda-ardern-needs-to-learn-how-to-deal-with-talent-and-potential-trouble/6V4MOTHGBO2UMYOBJDFKNYXKOE/
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April 12, 2022 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I like how Jacinda says there were no issues between the two of them. Also said she had nothing to do with her being deselected from her electorate seat. And what really cracks me up 😅 is Jacinda saying that she will not attend the valedictory speech because she has something else on.
  
  BTW I read that Ms Wall has been appointed as a gender ambassador in the Pacific. She will be visiting places like Fiji, Samoa and PNG to promote the participation of gay folk and women in society.
  
  Well good luck with that. She will need it. In many Pacific nations, including Samoa, PNG and the Solomons, male homosexuality is still a criminal offence.
  
  Sorry I just can’t see her flying business class, wandering the vast Pacific making much difference to the lot of women and gay folk. But I genuinely wish her luck and I look forward to her reports.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:16am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    There is a word for when you twist the situation to conform to your version of events and deny the other persons view of the events.
    
    It’s called Gaslightling and it comes in many forms. Including, but not limited to “I reject the premise of the question”.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    Surely this is toxic , post modernist colonialism.
    
    How is it we are taking a new missionionary position , telling the “natives” how things should be done.
    
    Colonialist , occidentalist racism.
    
    In the urban inner city elitist “progressive” circles this is exactly the sort of thing that gets one cancelled.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:30am
  - cas
    
    I hear Jacinda has pushed the orange or not announcement forward to Wednesday as I suppose if it had been on Thursday she would have had to be in Parliament then no excuses for missing the valedictory. I wonder how many Labour MPS will turn up.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:40am
    - Rich Prick
      
      God, who cares about Cindy’s silly traffic light system? We’ve all either had the snotty nose, or are about to have it. Cindy’s favourite colour changes nothing.
      
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      April 12, 2022 11:52am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Is anyone taking any notice of traffic lights pantomime anymore?
      
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      April 12, 2022 1:11pm
  - peterwn
    
    Her valedictory speech timeslot would have been set with the intention of Jacinda not being there. If Jacinda would have wanted to be there it would have been timed accordingly.
    As far as I remember Robbo played the principal part in her demise and Jacinda would have knowingly allowed it to happen. It is now claimed that a local electorate committee made the decision., but then local Party members have little influence over candidate selection – this is effectively a Head Office matter.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It doesn’t matter when it’s set, she should have been their, showing what a gutless, worthless show pony she is, red queen people say, vomit queen one thinks !
      
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      April 12, 2022 12:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Your first paragraph points out 3 lies, but that is OK.
    Par for her course, carry on as normal
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:42am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, her sexuality and the attitude of some Pacific nations with regard to this is interesting. On the same subject how will Grant Robertson fare if he does at some stage become PM?
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He will only become pm in this term, one eill have run out snd they will be back to shafting leaders very soon
      
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      April 12, 2022 12:54pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Whos paying for the ‘gender ambassador’ role? I bloody hope its not us.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:43am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Of course it’s us, who else will pay, they will say Nats did it, but this position has been dreamed up, pointing to the very fact Wall was right.
      
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      April 12, 2022 12:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is us…
      $210,000/year.
      Two year appointment
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018837815/departing-mp-louisa-wall-to-earn-up-to-210-000-in-new-role
      
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      April 12, 2022 6:10pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Benedict: Sodomy is still a criminal offence in Tonga also….the relevant provision dates from 1927, having only been amended once.
    
    The original provision in the Tongan Crimes Act read as follows:
    
    “Whoever shall be convicted of the abominable crime of sodomy, or of bestiality, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than two years and the said animal shall be killed by a public official”
    
    The italicised bit at the end was repealed some years ago; the rest remains in force. Re the italicised bit, wags noted “not only do you go to jail for fucking a pig but your girlfriend gets killed”.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember there is only one way to see things – My Way, or else – and that applies to all her Cabinet who do exactly as they are told.
    She is one mean dude man !
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Cindy thinks she is a good liar, she is not, she is a giveaway to when she is lying, Key attended all valedictory speeches, even if they were on Thursday, they will have known this date for some time, as expected the gutless PM will fly off somewhere and prefer to be booed in towns or Cities around this country.
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    I don’t wish her ill but this is a made-up job and an utter waste of money for NZ. It’s just a bribe to get her to go – I assume that Labour assumed that it’d be quietly! Yet another example of other people’s money being the easiest to spend. I look forward to National disestablishing this position the day after the next election.
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s the PM that should be moved on
      
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      April 12, 2022 1:05pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s the PM that should be moved on
      
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      April 12, 2022 1:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    And I suspect from the Wellington Public Service Salaries, of which I know, she will be paid a lot more than as an MP
    
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    April 12, 2022 1:22pm
  - My
    
    Yeah, what are we even doing having ‘gender ambassador in the Pacific’ as a job. And sending them out to the Pacific to colonize the ‘ignorant’ ‘immoral’ natives. Wacko.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:06pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Hoorah Hoorah. I have finally found something that Labour did right!!!
    
    Yep you wont believe it but!!
    Jacinderites changed the law last December to promote personal responsibility.
    
    Now the Health and safety act says that if you are dumbarse employee its YOUR FAULT if you do something stupid and get hurt!
    
    Doing a forklift renewal today and the trainer was very happy to share.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:58pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Phil Twyford come on down Son.
  
  Some are seeing what a 24-28% result in 2023 will look like. Seats such as Te Atatu and Mt Roskill come into play as well as a provincial wipeout.
  
  Labour retreats to South Auckland, Wellington, East Chch and Dunedin.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:17am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Tank boy – Dreams are free. If Twyford is defeated in Te Atatu that will mean Kiwis are awake and become knowledgeable. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. So move on.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:03pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      I’ll bet money that National/Act take the party vote in both Roskill and Te Atatu in 2023 and Twyford will likely get the arse card unless he goes rouge [rogue] and supports the local community. Let’s remember Twyford is a carpet bagger out West.
      
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      April 12, 2022 2:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Te Atatu yes, Roskill no, that woman who is supposed to be a tax expert, she is underwhelming, snd that seat could be up for grabs
    
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    April 12, 2022 1:08pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Prior to 2020 the party vote went to National in Mt Roskill and the area has a sizeable Indian community that will likely swing Blue/Teal at the next election.
      
      Remember most Kianga Ora tenants won’t be arsed to vote.
      
      Trust me if the trends continue, Our Glorious Leader bails for NYC and poor man’s Gordon Brown is leading during a recession they will be flat out holding onto Dunedin South.
      
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      April 12, 2022 2:20pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, just like Labour had the highest party vote in Tauranga,, they were miles away from winning the seat, Nats had the largest party vote in all electorates except the the Maori seats which they did not stand in, i do agree with you that Nats will win north of the bridge, and Waikato, also regional seats, Ohariu especially if Willis stands, i think they could take Napier, all the rural seats, Act will snip some of Nats chances, and could leave Labour a couple of the seats that they usually do not win , in saying that, the Greens will take some of Labours seat again maybe leveling things out.
        
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        April 12, 2022 5:47pm
- Prince
  
  I also noticed how Wall’s new job, with a salary well over $200K, was basically to promote homosexual law reform across the Pacific Islands.
  And the media didn’t think that could be problematic ?
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    I’d suggest it’s a hell of a lot more than homosexual law reform. Look at the ‘plus’ after the alphabet soup . Where does the ‘plus’ fit in to the job description, crazy.
    
    From stuff;
    
    ‘Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced on Thursday that Wall will become the Pacific Gender Equality Ambassador. The job is aimed at advancing the participation of women and LGTBQI+ people in political, economic, and public life throughout the Pacific.’
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The Labour Party will know it’s problematic, I bet they have said here is your job, take it or leave, this may why she has been rebellious, she may have been shafted again
    
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    April 12, 2022 1:19pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Poll numbers are down.
  
  A lot of people about to lose the best paying job they will ever had.
  
  Fair to say that they won’t be happy.
  
  Answer.
  
  Push on with the one party state policy.
  
  The vast majority of the unwashed want and need the benevolent dear leader saint jacinda to save them.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:29am
- David Garrett
  
  For her sake, I hope Ms Wall has signed her employment contract for this new “job”.
  
  And Soper makes an excellent point about “the ultra-conservative” Pacific. While Fa’afafine (Samoa) and Fakaleite (Tonga) are tolerated – even celebrated – that is all on the basis that they “know their place” which is to be amusing and entertaining.
  
  Tonga is the only Pacific country I know well. I suspect the tolerance presently given to well known figures like Joey Mataele in that country would quickly change if people like her started demanding representation in government, or specific laws protecting their rights.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:04am
  - David Garrett
    
    The situation regarding trans-sexual/transgender people in Tonga – and I suspect the wider Pacific – is very complex and difficult if not impossible for palangi to understand.
    
    During my four years in the Kingdom I tried to find out how a lot of things “worked” up there: the relationship between the common people and the Nobles – even ones widely regarded as a joke; the true nature of the supposedly very religious Tongans (one thing on the surface, quite another outside church) – and relations between “ordinary” people and fakaleites.
    
    Two of my staff had fakaleite family members, who were simply treated as one of the family. I was never able to discover whether said relative(s) had relationships with their own kind or with men. Any such enquiry – even of staff members who had worked for me for years – was simply met either with the subject being changed or the gales of laughter which often result when a Tongan is asked something he or she doesn’t wish to answer, for whatever reason – often embarrassment.
    
    Even though she is herself gay, and at least half Maori, I suspect Ms Wall blundering about forcing Tongans to discuss things they don’t wish to discuss may not end well. And even the “half Maori” thing is not straightforward – many Tongans look down on Maori for allowing themselves to be colonised. It is a huge matter of pride for them that they never were.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:48am
    - Bea Rossini
      
      They were mightily colonised by the churches.
      
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      April 12, 2022 11:55am
      - 7kiwi11
        
        They can’t be that concerned by colonisation as almost half of Tongans live in said colonised country.
        
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        April 12, 2022 1:22pm
      - Bea Rossini
        
        Colonised minds.
        
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        April 12, 2022 3:41pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Wouldn’t it be funny if Ardern stuffs those South Auckland seats up? She really can’t read the room on any issue, she stuffs everything she touches, why would we expect any different.
    
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    April 12, 2022 11:24am
    - kowtow
      
      I see no danger in that .
      
      Those seats will always vote for opm.
      
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      April 12, 2022 12:21pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I never said she will lose those seats, but she may lose some after shafting one of the PIs own
        
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        April 12, 2022 5:48pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Don’t underestimate Louisa Wall’s ability to change peoples minds on these issues. She was certainly able to do so in the NZ parliament, and she was able to do so across party lines.
    
    Many Pacific Islands are changing. For instance, the election of a PM Fiame in Samoa and the election of PM Pohiva in Tonga. Obviously not all will be enthused by Ambassador Wall, but many will be.
    
    I am pretty sure that an incoming National government would not attempt to disrupt her contract, which will be for either 3 years or 5.
    
    I was always a bit surprised that she did not do better in Labour, given her obvious ability and energy, and in my view, formed over a number of years, a very co-operative disposition. I was told by a number of Labour MP’s (conservative men) that she was not a team player. Which seemed odd given she had represented New Zealand at the highest levels in team sports. Maybe she was just a bit too forthright and not partisan enough for some of her colleagues. Their loss in my view.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:42pm
    - Swifty
      
      Wayne, would you agree that it is a right and proper thing for political parties to create roles, funded by taxpayers, for MPs to convince them to step down?
      
      Do you think this role for Wall should have been properly advertised and publicly recruited for as opposed to her being directly appointed?
      
      Or do you think this is nothing but a happy coincidence that Wall has landed this role?
      
      Have previous National governments created jobs in the public service to convince MPs to stand down quietly, to your knowledge?
      
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      April 12, 2022 1:05pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Murray McCully and Shane Jones. A roving ambassadorship in the Pacific.
        
        It enabled Shane to stand down from Labour. In 2017 he stood for NZF.
        
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        April 12, 2022 3:52pm
      - Swifty
        
        Someone should be in jail.
        
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        April 12, 2022 4:04pm
      - Mike
        
        Hey Swifty. This is an interesting question.
        Top diplomatic appointments have been political since forever – dating back to the 19th century agents-general in London. What I’m unsure about is the legal status of creating public service positions and filling them politically. There must be some clever way of appointing people outside the Public Service Act requirement for merit, neutrality, etc. It would be interesting to find out how much futher this mechanism can be stretched, as there is little politicians like more than appointing friends to boards, etc.
        
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        April 12, 2022 4:41pm
    - Swifty
      
      Wall’s fixed-term contract is for two years.
      
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      April 12, 2022 4:03pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I thought Jones job in the pacific was a job that he took over from someone else, they talked about this on the radio this morning , mentioned National did the same, but they were not invented jobs, of course i guess they may not have been talking about Jones , they may have meant Nat ex MPs
      
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      April 12, 2022 5:51pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Louisa was a leader as well as a team player, sports wise. Usually, when teams perform poorly, dud players are dropped.
      
      Then there’s Labour. How do you drop the duds? And there’s your problem.
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:27pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Absolutely not. The next opinion poll will prove it Maggy. Wait for it.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:23am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL SCS. Tell me why haven’t Jenna/Reid Research put out a poll in a while? Not getting the results they wanted?
    
    Out of the Wellington bubble everyone hates this government’s guts now. Even Mavis down the road said to me what is the point in living if she has to wear a mask to the RSA!
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:24pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They have done a poll but did not release the results, not for the first time either.
      
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      April 12, 2022 11:28pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There has been disharmony in the ranks for some time, Wall goes back to 2020, and probably before, think about Robertson, he no longer jumps to the PMs defence in Q time, and the Māori caucus (so called ) will not be most peoples cup of tea.
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    May be Robber is sharpening his knife to stab at the right time to become a PM for a few years or so before Labour is wiped out in 2035 by Max Key led National?
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:05pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Unlike Judith, he stabs from behind Bwhahahahahahahahaha
      
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      April 12, 2022 5:51pm
Tony Stuart

Still Labour’s got rid of an irritant, but was clearly not expecting that thankless irritant to leave a festering sore. Wall’s laid bare that they’re not all on the same team and the captain’s not in total control of the Good Ship Lollipop as she would have us believe.

The door’s clearly not open to all in the captain’s cabin, testified by one Cabinet minister who sought me out at a social function recently to enlighten me about disharmony in the ranks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/louisa-wall-quits-politics-barry-soper-jacinda-ardern-needs-to-learn-how-to-deal-with-talent-and-potential-trouble/6V4MOTHGBO2UMYOBJDFKNYXKOE/

A brief snippet from Barry Soper’s piece on the Wall/Ardern spat. You can bet that the PM’s office will be digging around to find out which Minister told Barry Soper about disunity in the ranks.

If she wanted to present Labour’s caucus as united, you’d think she’d be making the effort to turn up for Louisa Wall’s valedictory on Thursday, but she told journos yesterday she won’t be there. There must be a school to visit…
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April 12, 2022 8:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I believe that the sainted leader will not be in parliament to listen to Wall valedictory speech.
  
  If that is the case she show what a strong, courages, kind and supportive Leader she really is.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:09am
- kevn
  
  It’s worth my $1 a week digi sub for the Herald just to read Soper, Prebble and Joyce.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:19am
  - DaleK
    
    I would add Bruce Cotterill to that list.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:06am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    A couple of random comments.
    
    1. Unless the climate change hoax and Maori co-governance fraud are knocked on the head and quickly this country is going to hell in a hand cart. Both will benefit and enrich the Elites and punish the rest.
    
    2. Regarding the so called massive housing transfer of wealth. The cause is 40 years of economic mismanagement by both Labour and National. Both have failed to match supply with demand. Those of us who bought the same house we now live in 40 years ago would have to pay the same price we sell for to get a similar house. As the old saying goes you cant eat the house. Alas I dont see anything changing over the next 40 years given the lack of capacity and capability of the current and future political class.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:19am
    - Cassandra
      
      Don’t look to National to cancel your first point.
      
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      April 12, 2022 10:34am
      - rockape
        
        I don’t see National going down the co governance route. If they did there wouldn’t be a National party to run in 2026.
        
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        April 12, 2022 3:06pm
    - artemisia
      
      Housing supply and demand. The social housing waiting list is a front line indicator of supply and demand within cooee.
      
      September 2017 5,844
      February 2022 26,329
      
      Must have been 9 years of neglect.
      
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      April 12, 2022 11:57am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Please donate that $1 to Waka-Kotahi or whatever the crap that is.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:35am
- I remember when
  
  In answer to Batman’s wonderings, are we suffering from Jacinda rsi.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:20am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Suspect that they thought providing a sweet parachute job in Foreign Affairs under Nanaia’s eye was enough so they forgot the ‘confidentiality’ clause.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:48am
- MCōs
  
  “You can bet that the PM’s office will be digging around to find out which Minister told Barry Soper about disunity in the ranks.”
  I doubt it.
  It’s been blindingly obvious to the casual observer since the last election when Ms Wall was given the heave ho by Manurewa.
  There must have been problems well before that, which Messrs Soper, Hosking & all the rest never wrote about at the time. They’re only telling us what we know already.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:06am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I just don’t understand. Why on earth didn’t this minister simply have a conversation with Tova?!?
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:11am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Tova being a Labour poodle would have buried it or blamed Christopher Luxon for it.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:08pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Bigger question, why did he write this to out a cabinet source? Most unusual and not a mistake, but a tactic I think.
  
  Jacinda had her oh so stressed moment on TV and leaves for overseas soon. Is it BBQ season in April?
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:22am
- rockape
  
  She will be NASHing her teeth !
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, Nash has leaked several times
    
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    April 12, 2022 11:27am
- David Garrett
  
  Tony S: I believe the Princess is at the Hakataramea Play Centre that day.
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They don’t have a play centre, and even the pub is shut
    
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    April 12, 2022 11:30pm
- oldfella
  
  I found this bit of Soper’s article interesting re handling troublemakers —
  ++
  Perhaps Jacinda Ardern should have learnt at the knee of Helen Clark when she was a junior apparatchik in her office of the way to deal with those who get up your nose.
  When Clark was derided as being Miss 3 Per Cent, a delegation comprising the late Michael Cullen, Phil Goff and Annette King went to her office and told her she should step aside.
  Clark of course refused and instead promoted them to her front bench, never to hear a murmur from them again.
  Now that’s how you deal with talent and potential trouble.
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes the valedictory, (key went to all) but who wants ruled by the Māori caucus? And perhaps Wall is showing the PI vote maybe disgruntled also.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:27am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    G the giant – Please remember this one fact. Whatever happens, even if they are crushed to the ground – Maori and Pasifika will always vote Labour. That is their fate and nobody can save them or educate them.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:10pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Many are waning from what I hear, some are going to vote ACT don’t say no because I have heard them say
      
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      April 12, 2022 1:24pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Nah the PI men hate her guts. That is the ones not in gangs or the Island elite.
      
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      April 12, 2022 2:25pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bwhahahahahahaha, they wont like a women telling them what to do, how bloody ironic.
        
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        April 12, 2022 5:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ Rugby missed a trick by not appointing Louisa Wall to a leadership role within the Black Ferns.

Unfortunate timing, perhaps.
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April 12, 2022 8:08am
Tauhei Notts

I glance at a few Left Wing blogs and have noticed that David Seymour has their knickers in a twist, over the past two days.
What has David said recently to cause so much consternation?
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April 12, 2022 8:10am
- Swifty
  
  The truth.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Probably the referendum proposal to recognise democratic government in New Zealand.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:18am
  - zulumonster
    
    Cartoon today laughing at his excuse for blaming sudden gain of 50,000 followers on Instagram on sexbots.
    Our upstanding media accused him of buying the followers – of course offering no proof!
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:32am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But its different for Labour and Cindy to have 1000s of Sri lankan, Indian, Thai, Pilipino friends and posters all saying the very same thing , that we love you PM, when English is their second language
      
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      April 12, 2022 5:57pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think Seymour got a lot wrong with ACT’s response to government’s Covid-justified attacks on liberty, and I still think they are wrong and/or tinkering at the edges of the Climate Change™ matter …
    
    … but …
    
    On the topic of calling out and arresting our slide into racial division I believe he and ACT are exactly where New Zealand needs them to be: principled, and smart about it.
    
    Seymour: Stay the course. You will be continuously attacked, but you are on the right side of history here.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:06am
    - curry4me
      
      Yes another few weeks of the usual suspects calling David Seymour “raycist” will go a long way to earlier mistakes being forgiven.
      
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      April 12, 2022 12:07pm
- Frank the tank
  
  All about his bottom lines on co-governance. Presland, Prentice and Co are particularly salty and taking big gulps from the Koolaid.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:19am
- Raphael
  
  According to my folks he was on QnA the other day and kicked up a stink about the changes Labour is trying to sneak through in changing our form of government.
  (I didn’t watch it myself, so paraphrasing from their description of the episode)
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This might explain it 🙂 🙂 (Hansard Extract)
    
    David Seymour: Does she agree with this statement, “All political authority comes from the people by democratic means including universal suffrage, regular and free elections with a secret ballot.”, and, if so, how is that consistent with more and more governance roles being appointed along ethnic lines instead of elected?
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, I support the longstanding principles of democracy in this nation, but the idea that that cannot sit alongside Te Tiriti o Waitangi, I take issue with that. We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:25am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Of course, you do realise that Seymours Statement is taken verbatim from the Labour Party Constitution.
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:30am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Yes it is a very basic simplistic view.
      
      One man one vote.
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:32am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’m told that some consonant sounds are difficult to make with a forked tongue. I wonder how Ardern manages this feat?
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Still comes out as word soup waffle
        
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        April 12, 2022 8:52am
      - Prince
        
        Preddy easy.
        
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        April 12, 2022 8:54am
    - Ehlana
      
      “We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view.”
      
      How much does she sound like the kid trying to get you to do something you don’t want to do, and know that you shouldn’t do? “Oh, I understand if you’re not mature enough to smoke/do drugs/have sex”.
      
      And if the Labour Party has reached these heights of sophistication, why does their constitution not reflect their new-found maturity?
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:44am
      - Swifty
        
        There’s nothing ‘sophisticated’ about throwing out democratic principles people have longed and strived for over millenia.
        
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        April 12, 2022 9:01am
      - nathie
        
        “And if the Labour Party has reached these heights of sophistication, why does their constitution not reflect their new-found maturity?”
        
        Indeed, and why hasn’t the Labour Party renamed themselves using the Maori language (like they have imposed on government departments)?
        
        Goes to show they are not “genuine” about it (when it comes to themselves i.e. hypocrites), check out their website, 100% in English, therefore it’s 100% “colonial” – how “racist” and “privileged” of them!!
        
        And how come Labour MP’s and the PM don’t sprinkle a healthy dose of Maori words in their speeches when interviewed? I mean, consistency please, they expect the MSM to do so (but again, don’t do so themselves)!
        
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        April 12, 2022 9:03am
    - krazykiwi
      
      sophistication (n.)
      
      early 15c., “use of sophistry; fallacious argument intended to mislead; adulteration; an adulterated or adulterating substance,” from Medieval Latin sophisticationem (nominative sophisticatio), noun of action from past-participle stem of sophisticare “adulterate, cheat quibble”
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hahaha
        
        But do you think our Dear PM is such a tricky dicky to play sophisticated word games with the plebs & prols?
        
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        April 12, 2022 9:06am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Maggy, no. O/T, if you are a grammar nerd you’ll possibly like this. One of my favs 🙂
        
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        April 12, 2022 9:09am
    - Yvette
      
      Benedict Yu
      Hansard that you quote –Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, I support the longstanding principles of democracy in this nation, but the idea that that cannot sit alongside Te Tiriti o Waitangi, I take issue with that. We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view
      
      How will Jacinda translate that into a simple, absolutely understood definition of co-governance – a suitable bumper-sticker slogan – as it is announced –
      Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
      
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      April 12, 2022 8:48am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Yvette strange she comes out with this now I suppose she must of just read the He puapua report. A few weeks ago she was claiming she hadn’t even seen the it. She is a terrible liar
        
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        April 12, 2022 12:26pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Clearly Jack Tame, the sniveling little weasel, has taken his talking point instructions from Dear leader and executed them well, if totally ineffectually. In his interview with the estimable David Seymour on Q&A, he used the term “simplistic” to describe “one person, one vote” at least half a dozen times.
      
      See the interview here – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7LNUJ_fMuE
      
      Also very telling that often while Seymour was making a good point, he would become very animated, especially with his hands (6:18 in the video is one example), as he clearly thought of a witty retort and couldn’t wait to butt in to deliver it. I’m an old-fashioned sort of cove, I always thought the interviewer’s job was to ask questions and allow the subject to answer them. Silly me.
      
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      April 12, 2022 10:49am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Tane is just another Lefty media moron who is a waste of time to read or listen to. You know he is going to detract from the intellectual content of anything he contributes to.
        
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        April 12, 2022 11:22am
      - Surely Knott
        
        I think Tame is debating it because Willie Jackson couldn’t front up due to covid and labour wouldn’t send anyone else.
        
        Tame uses the word equity as if it means equality of outcome. But equity means fair inclusion and opportunity. We should seek to make society fair for individuals who are struggling and help where we can. But division based on racial groups just entrenches the stereotypes because obviously many people who identify as Maori are extremely successful across spheres of society. With Paula B and Simon Bridges we had both leaders of the Nat party as Maori, NZ First led by a Maori person, Maori party, Green party and Labour’s party leadership both had Maori in their top two.
        
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        April 12, 2022 11:32am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Surely Knott,
        
        Yes, I noticed that about the discussion on the clause 3 of the Treaty. In any event Jack Tame is wrong about equity being part of Article 3. The English text refers to “the rights and privileges of British subjects”. The Maori version (english translation of the maori text) refers to “the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.”
        
        Nothing about equity there. All about equality.
        
        Equality is a well understood legal concept in constitutional documents. It means equal rights before the law, for instance all people having the equal right to vote, or being treated equally in the courts, or to be free from discrimination in employment, housing and access to social services.
        
        Equity is not used as a constitutional concept because it does not have legal certainty. Equity obviously can mean equality, but it lacks the precision of equality. For instance it is clear what equal rights means, but when did you last see a legal a clear legal definition of equity of rights.
        
        If the issue comes up again, as it surely will, Seymour needs to push back against the left trying to refine the idea of equality of citizenship to one of equity of outcome.
        
        DPF’s point about the Rotorua Bill is exceptional well made. The Electoral Act goes to great lengths to ensure all votes have equal weight. The Bill sponsored by Tamati Coffey runs completely roughshod over that. I would expect a National Commitment to repeal it, if it becomes law. I have no problem with specific Maori seats on Council, But just as with the Electoral Act, such seats should still ensure all votes have the same weight.
        
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        April 12, 2022 1:08pm
    - Raphael
      
      Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Of course, I support the longstanding principles of democracy in this nation, but the idea that that cannot sit alongside Te Tiriti o Waitangi, I take issue with that. We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view
      
      That’s a very interesting re-interpretation of the Treaty.
      If we were discussing Biblical Theology I would call it a very eisegetical* interpretation.
      * for those who don’t know: “Eisegesis: Process of interpreting the text in such a way as to introduce one’s own presuppositions, agendas or biases” as opposed to Exegesis which is a “Critical explanation or interpretation of a text”
      
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      April 12, 2022 2:36pm
- G152
  
  Probably something to do with truth I’d imagine
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  You can add the oh so woke ” independent voice of the south” to that .
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/stronger-moves-sugary-drinks
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There is a prominent left wing blog that I find so disturbing that I can’t even glance at it. I’m a snowflake I know. ☹️
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We know which one, most of us are lifetime banned.
    
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    April 12, 2022 8:54am
    - David Garrett
      
      Steve: Funnily enough I was never banned there…although they did have a right attack of the vapours when I revealed my own email address…quite how that caused any “hurt or harm” to any of the lefties who frequent that site I do not know. Perhaps they were just flumoxed that I was so open about it.
      
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      April 12, 2022 10:01am
- oldfella
  
  I see Seymour features in today’s stuffed political cartoon. Guess Cindy and co haven’t done anything lately worth mocking. Ho, hum…
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:13am
I remember when

Police promise ‘powerful’ response to Auckland central crime spike: msn.com:
While these type of announcements sound good, the question really is how did the response become necessary in the first place.
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April 12, 2022 8:11am
Opie

Newshub pushing story about a bar owner that has been copping abuse and one star ratings because he is keeping vaccine pass requirements in place.

He says he is being bullied so tracked down the reviewers and abused them back.

If he couldn’t find a phone number for them he tracked them down through their workplace and spoke to their manager about it.

So who is the bully?

He says they hide behind a keyboard but he is no better, hiding behind a phone and bringing their work into it which has nothing to do with it.
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April 12, 2022 8:18am
Mr_Blobby

What is this malaise we are in.

I’m calling it the great resignation.

People are sitting around waiting for the benevolent leader jacinda to save them.

The plan create a problem, exploit the problem and tell people that only you have the solution.

Straight out of the how to be a tyrants playbook.

Remember we locked the entire country down for one case of covid, one case.

History tells us this never ends well, the benevolent leader has to get ever more draconian, ever more oppressive to bring desenters into line.

Distractions are needed, to draw attention away from the failures, target a small group, antivaxers, filthy unwashed, infectious antivaxers etc. Segregate this group and demonize them.

End result. Normally intelligent people paralyzed by fear. They are prepared to give up their freedom for the perception of safety.

That is no way to live.

Meanwhile the distracted barely notice the economy falling apart, interest rates on the way up, inflation on the way up, bubble everything waiting to deflate at best or burst at worst.

The Tyrant having no answers for this, needs to keep the distractions and fear going. Climate change, a minor war on the other side of the world.

One day the distracted wake up and realise that they are not in control, no privacy, no freedom, no safety.

To late the damage is done.
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April 12, 2022 8:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour Caucus must be a bunch of sycophants

“She’s pushed the boat out, and she’s challenged, and that challenge, not always toeing the party line, not always singing the party song, is what got her into a bit of trouble from time to time. But it’s also been a strength. It’s a double-edged sword.”

https://www.teaomaori.news/louisa-wall-inevitable-end
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April 12, 2022 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  All caucuses are a bunch of sycophants until they aren’t.
  One minute they’re behind the leader 110%.
  Next minute they’re feeding them to the sharks.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:11am
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/russia-invasion-new-zealand-dispatches-50-troops-to-europe-to-assist-with-logistics-of-moving-weapons-into-ukraine.html

Shall we make a sweepstake as to where the C-130 will break down. My bet is Darwin although it might limp into South East Asia.
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April 12, 2022 8:25am
- Ra Henare
  
  Ho hum. Another good example of posturing….
  
  Do they truly thing that Nato could not accept/handle yet another Cargo plane with a relatively small amount of military equipment.
  50 troops!!!
  
  Plus 8 people to help the Germans?!
  What it is they say about German methodolgy….
  
  Certainly not inept. In NZ inept is reserved for the current administration.
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:15pm
Yvette

Reflected covid glory
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has revealed the toll the COVID-19 pandemic has taken on her over the past two years, saying “It got to the point where sleep came to you out of sheer exhaustion”
“It’s one thing to make a big decision a week, but with COVID, it was constant,” she said.
The interview comes after Ardern’s trusted Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield resigned earlier this week following more than two years of leading New Zealand’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

How much longer than tributes to Ashley Bloomfield should a sycophantic media write suffering-saint Jacinda pieces?

And back in the 70s (I think) I went an Ivan Rebroff performance in which a solo balalaika player actually received a standing applause longer than any Rebroff had, but when the clapping finally subsided, Rebroff said quietly, but so the entire audience heard it, “Just remember, it was I who asked him to play”

In a statement, Dr Bloomfield said the past two years had been “particularly challenging and intense”.
Ardern on Wednesday described Dr Bloomfield as a “true public servant” for his “tireless dedication, his focus on people and his calm and considered approach”.

Just remember, Jacinda asked Ashley to play!

But, is not crashing Ashley’s farewell “15 minutes of fame”, throwing him under an emotional bus?
The Jacinda bus? Again

And is this not actually Jacinda doing it, but rather the fourth estate which she has turned into the fifth column.
Enthusiastic “journalists”, each in different media, are not a planned campaign with any overall idea how each of their efforts combine – sometimes into a “bad look”.
That is when Jacinda gets run over by her own bus.
Good. A little justice. Share the satisfaction. But don’t tell them.
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April 12, 2022 8:25am
Swifty

An update on the set of questions about Louisa Wall’s new role:

Why was this role conceived?

How was this role conceived?

When was it conceived and by whom?

What was the recruitment process?

How many other people applied? – None, it was a direct appointment.

How did Wall hear about the role and was it publicly notified? It was not publicly notified.

Was it notified on Seek or TradeMe for example? No, neither.

What date did applications open and close? N/A – there were no applicants other than Wall it seems. No-one else was given a chance to apply.

Which people were involved in her selection?

What criteria were used which determined Wall was the best candidate?

What will it cost taxpayers?

What results are expected to be delivered by the role, by when? How will we assess value?

What measures are in place over time to assess whether the role is a success or a failure? If a failure will she be let go?

What was the Labour Party’s involvement in any of the issues raised above?

One new question:

Given that at first glance it appears that Wall was the only applicant considered for the role if indeed the role wasn’t specifically created for her (as I suspect may be the case) – does this not breach our Equal Employment Opportunities laws? i.e. that all NZers get a fair crack at roles on offer?

If so, I urge Saunoamaali’i Karanina Sumeo to fire her up her team forthwith for an investigation! 🙂
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April 12, 2022 8:25am
- Paulus
  
  Swifty
  What silly questions !~
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:32pm
  - Swifty
    
    I refude that.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:32pm
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/was-nzs-60m-investment-in-the-dubai-expo-value-for-money/UGHJPBDAZVZBKEXVL7NMKEJRAA/

Do you think any Arab businessman will understand where Awwohtearower is? Do you think they’ll appreciate the feminine décor or indeed the pigeon English being mumbled in the stall? How are those free trade agreements in the Middle East going right now?

Still some Wellington bureaucrats got a couple of months holiday…..
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April 12, 2022 8:30am
Maggie Pie

And does anyone else find it odd that self-employed people seem to have a natural immunity to Covid?
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April 12, 2022 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I find it odd.
  
  BTW all public servants have unlimited paid “COVID leave”. It is not counted against any sick leave entitlements. It applies if they contract COVID or if any family member gets COVID and requires care.
  
  No I am not making this up.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:42am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    Ive been working for a government dept for the last year and working from home since August. Our CEO has just announced that if we need a “mental health” day we can go into the office to work.
    Thats backwards isnt it, normally a mental health day is staying home for a sickie. Anyway half the office turned up. We’re all over the WFH rubbish
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So now that there is more evidence coming out that any limited vax efficacy seems to reduce further with each subsequent shot, how long can they keep this circus going?
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/10/fourth-vaccine-dose-gives-no-protection-against-infection-after-just-eight-weeks-israeli-study-finds/
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Just imagine if kids were vaccinated against measles, and then contracted measles after 8 weeks?
      
      Circus indeed.
      
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      April 12, 2022 9:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: exactly…and that huge difference – between “ordinary” vaccines and the Covid one – is why the latter is better considered a treatment – and not a very effective one – and not as a vaccine.
        
        On a related topic, I wonder if anyone in the government or the health bureaucracy has considered the massive numbers of Omicron cases occurring while we are all forced to wear masks? An intelligent layman like me would conclude that, given these numbers, the masks are a total waste of time. Which is in fact what St. Ashley said at the beginning of all this.
        
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        April 12, 2022 10:08am
  - Cassandra
    
    Easy if you use someone else’s money to pay for it. And it secures lotsa votes in Wellington.
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  I know you jest, but infection rates by employment status and employer type would make interesting data
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:00am
  - rockape
    
    When I lived in Germany ( military service for 7 years) they had a system where if you didn’t take sick leave you could take it as a holiday. This was done to prevent us notified absence usually on Mondays. Funny that very few people needed sick leave ever!
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Amazing. //
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:02am
- Colville
  
  The self employed just don’t (admit to getting) sick.
  Just rather be doing something useful!
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  You mean they go to work with the flu Mags. Just like the good ol’ days.
  
  Make New Zealand Great Again
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:15am
- Souvlaki
  
  Prebbles famous quip….many years ago commenting on ” absentee” employees:
  ” The cure for absenteeism is self employment”
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:39am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That is so true. I know this having been self-employed for ~60% of my working life.
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:54am
G152

TV program Puppy School all full of police and drug dogs under training and nothing about the thousands of dogs trained to work sheep, cattle, goats and pigs all over the country.
Why?????????????????????
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April 12, 2022 8:37am
- Mike
  
  Saw a very good doco a few months back about a well-known sheep dog trainer. Possibly online at Maori TV?
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:03pm
rockape

How is the government doing on nurses pay.
Well here are a few pointers:
1. The last MECA agreement was two years late and gave many nurses as little as 0.9% rise.
2. Backpay as agreed in the MECA dating back to Dec 2019 now being denied ( cost to nurses about $20,000).
3. Annual leave entitlement screwed up. This has been outstanding for 4 years and gave some nurses too few days and most nurses were underpaid as weekend rates or public holiday rates were not included in their average pay. Estimate to correct $1.6 billion
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April 12, 2022 8:44am
- rockape
  
  Next nurses MECA agreement due as at October this year, work done, nothing!
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:46am
  - kevn
    
    @rock… Is this debacle all a.littles legacy?
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:14am
    - rockape
      
      Right up there with recovering all the Pike River Bodies !
      
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      April 12, 2022 9:22am
  - Phronesis
    
    The new MECA will ultimately be between the new Health NZ and its employees. No reason for the existing DHB’s to waste their time negotiating that contract. If the nurses union wasn’t so cozy with this Govt they would be lining up the strikes now. The switch away from DHB’s is the best chance in a generation to get pay parity with Australia.
    
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    April 12, 2022 9:39am
- krazykiwi
  
  C’mon rockape. To conjure up a health crisis, and in addition to control of the media, one must have a health system starved of the right people, and with insufficient facilities. Ardern has a podium finish in this race. This is her glory.
  
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  April 12, 2022 8:51am
Surely Knott

Third person dies from vaccine. The first two vaccine deaths were reported in a timely manner, with details of age, gender, details of death and name in one case. And the media reports came from the “independent vaccine monitoring board.”
Third death report is delayed and comes 3 months after it was first reviewed in December. The media report doesn’t come from the independent vaccine monitoring report it is from the govt and doesn’t include their age, gender or any circumstances.
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April 12, 2022 8:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ doesn’t have money to support Plunket’s young /newparent programmes
– $400,000/year.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465016/plunket-to-cut-parenting-programmes-due-to-lack-of-funding#:~:text=Plunket%20will%20cut%20its%20parenting,afford%20to%20keep%20running%20them.&text=The%20parenting%20education%20classes%20for,permanent%20and%2017%20casual%20roles.

But it could rustle up $120 million for the culcha vulchas
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/127656062/govts-120m-funding-boost-for-arts-and-culture-offers-relief-for-omicronhit-sector
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April 12, 2022 8:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  Our government proclaims Bread and Circuses, but quietly takes the Bread away and gives it to the Circus.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Our government is a circus, heavy on the clowns.
    
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    April 12, 2022 11:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s all a matter of ~~fucked up~~ priorities. Labour sees ponies and lollies as more important than owning a jacket for winter, and sadly that seems to mirror the thinking of a large pool of their voters.
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:20am
- rangitoto
  
  I heard on the radio yesterday that Plunket is raaaycist.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:41am
Swifty

Anyone care to guess what the PSA is demanding for wage and salary increases at District Councils in the new collective agreement negotiations?
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April 12, 2022 9:06am
- Mike
  
  Less than inflation?
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    No, more.
    
    Much more.
    
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    April 12, 2022 3:36pm
    - Mike
      
      What are the councils demanding and, more importantly, when will we get combined pay negotiations across the core public service?
      
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      April 12, 2022 5:02pm
Maggie Pie

Caught the end of a news item on ZB yesterday, reporting there may be about 2000 Tongan overstayers in the New Zealand whose work visas have expired.

They were seeking some sort of ‘clemency’ from the government to be allowed to stay here, due to the current situation in Tonga following the volcanic eruption.

But I don’t know, there’s always someone that goes and stuffs it up for others….

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/david-clarkson/

(scroll down to read David’s latest content…chilling)
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April 12, 2022 9:16am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Surely they’d all be itching to get back to help rebuild their home country??
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:59am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: Six fucking years – out in three – for that ? totally outrageous; should have been at least ten. As the report notes, it was only pure luck that it wasn’t a murder.
  
  Interesting that the Judge gave a discount for “difficulty serving a jail sentence in New Zealand” for this Tongan offender. No such discounts are given up in the Kingdom: I have been in court a number of times when that argument was made on behalf of some foreigner. The judges invariably say “If you do the crime in Tonga, you do your time in Tonga, just like anyone else.”
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:16am
  - Cassandra
    
    Agree. Should be 15 years at least. Just awful. What is this ghastly man doing in NZ?
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:41am
- artemisia
  
  I saw that News item. The couple interviewed became overstayers in 2019, and mentioned they were working under the table. So should have left in 2019, and that was before covid and before the eruption. And should have paid tax.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:27am
- Ehlana
  
  Isn’t there an entire football team out there which absconded?
  
  Clemency should only be considered for those who were not in New Zealand illegally when the volcano erupted.
  
  Perhaps the rest could offer an apology to our community for violating our laws (our PM showed how), then return to their homeland, offer a similar apology for the shame they have visited on their countrymen and women and then make reparations by working on the rebuild?
  
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  April 12, 2022 12:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Independent News in NZ?

Not from the MSM

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/128337705/news-publishers-move-closer-to-collective-negotiations-with-google-and-meta
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April 12, 2022 9:36am
- Raphael
  
  mmmm, I am in two minds about this.
  Google is especially bad at harvesting the story from the news site so that people can read it without going to the site.
  This means that the news site gets none of the advertising revenue (while Google does).
  They do this to other sectors as well, news media is just the first to be able to challenge them.
  I think it is fair that Google, Meta, and Microsoft (the news displayed in Edge and the new Windows news feeds in particular) do pay the sites they are harvesting content from.
  
  At the same time there is the collective narrative that they all push which means the opinions follow the money
  
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  April 12, 2022 9:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    FWIW, Google agreed to pay Nine Entertainment Co., which owns a major television channel, multiple radio stations, the Sydney Morning Herald, and The Age in Melbourne, a reported $30 million AUD (about $22 million USD) or more annually for five years; one source estimates the total value of Nine’s deal with the two tech … Courtesy Google.
    
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    April 12, 2022 10:57am
Nickc2

Have you noticed lately how any debate/decent over the He Puapua Report has been handed to Willie Jackson to address?
Have you also noticed in the MSM recently that a split in the Labour Govt seems to have opened up, and all this after Louisa Wall’s tell-all on TV and enhanced by the Print Media?
I particularly notice Cindy’s not prepared to say anything meaningful (not that she ever does) about this Co-Governance debacle. I think her minders have advised that it’s not a winner with the public, no matter much Lippy she puts on it.
I for one am hoping the apparent split with the Maori Caucus and their drive towards Co-Governance coupled with Mahuta’s racist 3 Waters bill will bring this Govt of fools down.
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April 12, 2022 9:39am
- Yvette
  
  Nickc2
  Christopher Luxon now needs to remind everyone what a disastrous debacle the “nation-wide conversation” on Capital Gains Tax was, with Labour itself not defining its position to even be discussed, so the vacuum that left was filled with a few sensible comments but then media driven loonies, until Ardern threw the whole thing out the cot and refused to countenance the issue again in her term of Prime Ministership.
  
  Then Christopher Luxon needs to demand Ardern define co-governance precisely as soon as possible.
  
  There should also be demand for what Willie Jackson took to iwi to discuss for the last six months before reporting back to Cabinet?
  
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  April 12, 2022 12:36pm
- Paulus
  
  Have you seen the new Masters (Mistresses) of the Three Waters schemes.
  Yes, they have already been appointed and are on the payroll.
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:37pm
Maggie Pie

And thort this worth sharing….remember JUSSIE SMOLLET?

Leaked video of his first night in jail has just appeared on Twitter….

https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1513623572585062401
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April 12, 2022 9:43am
- Loddenthinks
  
  If I could speak to Jussie I’d say “Everyone makes mistakes. Don’t beat yourself up about it”
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:21am
Lee C

The origins of Wuhan – deleted documents, smokescreens, Fauci – if this was so tragic, it would be comical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXcNACtRs-s

Ever get the feeling you’ve been had?
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April 12, 2022 10:09am
- Inandout
  
  Lee, yes we have been had by a man who should be in jail. The utter chaos worldwide that lab has unleashed is horrendous.
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:40am
- Cassandra
  
  If the wasn’t so tragic………..
  
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  April 12, 2022 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes. And some are happy about it. Ignorance is bliss. But it is also a fool’s fast-track to perpetual servitude.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:02am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else like us think just how much better Auckland would have been if BANSY was still Mayor?

Even the head of the Business Owners Assoc is calling Queen Street…. the ‘crime-hub’ of New Zealand.
He went on the say….. offenders have no fear of the police, or of the consequences if they are unlucky enough to get caught. And that central city business owners have lost all faith in the police and the judiciary, and are not even bothering to report crimes!

Commander for Auckland City, Inspector Grae Anderson, said the risk of violence towards people and Police Officers is an ever present concern and keeps him awake at night. And he knows it keeps his District Commanders awake at night as well.

Do people honestly believe Fa’anana Efiso Collins is the answer?

Like I heard my partner telling the lady next door, “This whole country’s f**ked” 🙁
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April 12, 2022 10:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  If it “keeps him awake at night” Inspector Grae Anderson should bloody well get up, put on his uniform and go downtown to do what he promised in his oath.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:01am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The country is being run by women who know nothing beyond what they were taught in school and in their waffle uni degrees. They have no concept of what it takes and costs to actually do anything.
  
  Their policies are fantasies and their administrations are catastrophic but they are too ignorant and stupid to know why.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:06am
  - BAM
    
    [Unacceptable – take a break for 2 weeks. mod.]
    
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    April 12, 2022 11:40am
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Men should just take over.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:36pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      51% is a winning margin. And these women have taken over education, media and politics.
      
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      April 12, 2022 2:00pm
      - Mike
        
        The prospect of women wielding any sort of power must be terrifying for you. Is there anything you can do to relax and stop worrying about the future so much?
        
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        April 12, 2022 3:35pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        It’s sad for everyone, because the policies and practises that the dominating population of ignorant left leaning women vote for thinking the are being ‘kind’ with economically destructive vote-yourself-rich and punish-the-productive and easy welfare-for-everyone policies inevitably lead to collapsing economies and misery for everyone – of the sort seen in Greece Venezuela and Argentina. Socialism is the eternal green eyed monster which doth mock the meat it feeds on.
        
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        April 12, 2022 5:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can’t – totally emasculated. Why do they want to compete in Woman’s sport? Wimps, that’s why.
      
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      April 12, 2022 3:34pm
- Paulus
  
  Auckland Mayoralty is a misnomer, the left wing/communist Councillors make the decisions from the secret lobby groups in the staff at the Council.
  Remember the staff’s employer, like all Councils, except Tauranga, is one person – the CEO (and the Auckland one was a disaster at Tauranga).
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:42pm
- Warren
  
  So what’s Wayne Brown Standing for, himself or Winston.
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:55pm
- Mike
  
  Banksie seems to have kept a low profile since his traumatic paternity case.
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:37pm
skyblue

Great Tui Billboard at The Platform.

“Kiwis trust the team of $55 million.”
Yeah right.
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April 12, 2022 10:52am
Lee C

Gove the vax to your children. I mean what could possibly go wrong? And besides, health professionals will rush to your assistance if you are ill.

Unless you tell lthem you were vaxxed, of course…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy6NF91CGDs
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April 12, 2022 11:28am
- Justitia
  
  156 deaths from Pfizer jabs reported to Medsafe so far. Coroners are investigating each case according to today’s Herald.
  
  And COVID deaths reached 500 yesterday, most of them vaccinated.
  
  “She kept us safe”.
  
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  April 12, 2022 11:35am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The only thing Ardern kept anyone ‘safe’ from was the requirement to think for one self. Sadly those fools were in majority, but less so as more people come to their senses. We need to learn from this. We need to learn that authoritarianism installed ‘for our safety’ is, and always be, a treacherous lie.
    
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    April 12, 2022 12:38pm
  - 1920x1080p
    
    A 3rd death reported today of a teenager:
    
    “An independent board had reached the conclusion it was likely the death was vaccine-related but that health teams will never know this for sure.”
    
    Yes such deaths are rare blah blah blah – but bugger if you happen to be THE rare one and without the vaccine would almost certainly be alive 🙁
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:18pm
Jack5

Have you noticed that DPF winds up posters with his welcome greeting when you log on?

Kia ora, blogger is the greeting.

It’s just the wake-up needed as we tackle Red Radio, State TV and the bought-off media for their promotion and use of NZ Pidgin.

DPF, majQa’
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April 12, 2022 11:34am
- H. Upmann
  
  Yes I have noticed that too Jack. It used to read Howdy.
  Amazing how PC and general Wokeism creeps in to throttle us all and in the most unexpected places. Sad to see it here on KB.
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:12pm
- Mike
  
  You must be looking forward to the day when g’day seems an exotic greeting while kia ora is the Kiwi norm.
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We are already there Mike. Listen to the steam wireless, or watch play school TV1 news.
    How the fuck can I understand what is NZ news in pidgin???
    Forced on us – similar to vaccines …..
    
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    April 12, 2022 3:42pm
    - Mike
      
      Last time I checked, no one is forced to watch TVNZ, although some of the more weak-minded Kiwibloggers claim this is a requirement imposed by their spouses.
      
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      April 12, 2022 4:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is true. The Speaker of the House calls the shots
        
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        April 13, 2022 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did not notice, but it must be a survey on who is paying attention
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:39pm
oldfella

So Cindy says sending our spare Javelin missiles (soon to be passed their expiry date) to Ukraine is a waste of time because they would be used up in about five minutes of fighting. Five minutes? Who came up with that? Did someone sit down and estimate the actual number being employed daily by Ukraine forces? I doubt it. For some reason Cindy is opposed to sending them, and that five minutes quote was invented by her team of spin doctors. I doubt the Ukrainians would refuse our Javelin missiles because there were not enough of them. They’d just be happy for every single scrap of help they could get.
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April 12, 2022 11:56am
- Nickc2
  
  Come on oldfella, didn’t you know our Cindy is a 10th Dan Black Belt Military Strategist? There’s nothing she doesn’t know about anything. //
  
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  April 12, 2022 12:50pm
- patreon_36178434
  
  Got Sean Hendy to calculate it …….
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He thinks a taiaha is a javelin
    
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    April 12, 2022 3:47pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Using the javelins for 5 minutes of fighting is the best use of 5 minutes i can think of..
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:24pm
- herb1
  
  Every javelin is potentially one less tank that the Ukrainians have to defend against and one less tank providing cover for a few sections or platoons of Russians
  Far more consequential than Arderns quotes she seems to fish from a dark place
  
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  April 12, 2022 3:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She’s opposed because it is off-brand for her (must only be associated with nice things, icecream, kittens and kindies) and will be off-putting to a few anti-military hippie Greebour voters, and she cares more about her electoral chances than Ukranians.
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:08pm
- Mike
  
  I am going to make the wild assumption that the decision on what military aid to provide has been based on:
  1. What our allies have requested
  2. What the NZDF has advised would be suitable contributions.
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:50pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e7Pr5lihSc
Chinese Uprising against President XI’s CCP.

It looks like the presitator has one or two problems in Shanghai. [4:03. I think he’ll regain control.]
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April 12, 2022 11:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  Seeing middle-class Chinese people, almost certainly CCP members, looting shops to get food is extraordinary.
  
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  April 12, 2022 12:33pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah, I don’t think its the beginning of the end for the presitator. Not even the end of the beginning.
    
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    April 12, 2022 7:02pm
- rjay
  
  Hard to get context from the clip. Could just as easily have been San Francisco. How widespread is this?
  
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  April 12, 2022 1:22pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Try this, from Sp!ked: The dystopian nightmare of ‘Zero Covid’
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Incidentally, I have just subscribed to SP!KED. I’ve read their stuff for a few months now, and it is generally insightful and well informed.
    
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    April 12, 2022 2:29pm
  - curry4me
    
    Its difficult to tell how widespread the problem is in a place like China. I don’t think it’ll mean the end of the presitator.
    
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    April 12, 2022 7:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chap with a history of gratuitous violence gets just 2 years for killing Fau Vake

Stuff can now report the former Te Papapa Onehunga rugby player was issued a life ban in August 2011 after assaulting a referee and two opposition players during an Under-19 match.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/128327039/man-jailed-for-manslaughter-of-mma-fighter-fau-vake-after-attack-in-auckland-cbd
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April 12, 2022 11:56am
- MCōs
  
  While in no way defending the accused’s actions one incident more than ten years ago hardly constitutes a ‘history’.
  Furthermore
  I was on a jury that convicted some guys of manslaughter for a killing I would consider far worse than this one.
  One of them repeatedly hit the victim on the head with a piece of 100×50 while the others stood around watching.
  It started off as road rage. Except the rager chasing the bloke who’d cut him off attacked the wrong bloke who rounded up some mates, found the guy and retaliated.
  They got two years or so.
  This happened in the mean streets of Petone thirty years ago.
  
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  April 12, 2022 5:00pm
curry4me

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10705123/Hillsdale-College-plans-open-charter-schools-fight-against-lessons-gender-race.html
Tennessee governor invites private conservative college to open 50 charter schools whose anti-woke curriculum will teach students that America is ‘an exceptionally good country’

Gov. Bill Lee, a Republican, said that Hillsdale College, whose base is in Michigan, could open the schools using public funds, including $32 million set aside for charter facilities, the New York Times reported.
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April 12, 2022 11:57am
Nookin

Nothing like a few bad polls to activate the pro-government rottweilers working in MSM.
It seems that it is inappropriate for an opposition member, with a degree of knowledge and expertise in the field, to observe that an Australian proposal that residential care institutions should be hiring qualified nurses, may have an adverse impact on New Zealand (already short of nurses). Supposedly, this amounts to inappropriate interference with Australian politics.
The same MSM publish, with approbation, the government’s condemnation of Australia’s perceived right that it can deport noncitizens who have engaged in criminal activity.
Is it inappropriate for the opposition’s spokesperson for health to note that a proposal in Australia might attract nurses from New Zealand, particularly at a time when nurses in New Zealand are already looking for greener pastures?
Or, is said spokesman sensibly forewarning what might happen if Australia starts attracting NZ nurses?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/don-t-know-whether-he-has-or-hasn-t-luxon-can-t-comment-on-if-senior-mp-should-be-commenting-on-australian-election-policy/ar-AAW6K8n?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=9855bec0d8614266aa9c5f7b11d2947d
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April 12, 2022 12:34pm
cas

I have just returned home from a trip to the local library. It is displaying the book Fish of the Day by Clarke and someone else. The book has been in print for ages but no-one has taken it out yet!!!!!!!
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April 12, 2022 12:52pm
- MCōs
  
  Clarke Gaylord & Mike Bhana
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:19pm
Maggie Pie

Caller to Kerry Woodham earlier from Palmerston North.
Said he was ex-army. Stayed over in Auckland with his wife for 24 hours earlier this month. Reckoned he felt safer walking up the main street of Kinshasa than he did in Queen St.

(I looked it up….it’s the capital of The-Republic-of-Congo 🙁 )
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April 12, 2022 1:14pm
- MCōs
  
  Democratic Republic of Congo, which probably means it isn’t.
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:23pm
  - Mike
    
    DRC would be an ‘open carry’ state in American parlance, so naturally some people would feel safer in Kinshasa tban Auckland…
    
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    April 12, 2022 3:29pm
Swifty

Black News Channel files for bankruptcy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQn95BoG_0
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April 12, 2022 1:18pm
krazykiwi

Jacinda Ardern admits she’s NOT a fan of vaccine mandates and explains why she imposed them on New Zealanders anyway

She is lying. Again. Her actions show her to be overflowing with hubris, self importance, and a need to be powerful. She smirked and agreed (‘yip, yip’) that she was creating a two-tier society, and she is a WEF acolyte where the managed introduction of totalitarianism by global elites is canonized.

So no, I don’t buy this walking backwards on the tightrope by a PM whose star is plummeting to earth.
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April 12, 2022 1:19pm
I remember when

The Black Ferns enquiry:
Just a few relevant points that have to be remembered.
The first and most significant is that for rugby players, whether male or female, body shape is an important indicator.
Modern All Blacks are a major potential body shame for most males.
Secondly, because of the stage female rugby is at, most rugby coaches are going to be male.
Breaks from the game, because of birth of their children, mean women experience fitness problems not understood by men.
The women’s game is having to adjust quickly to professionalism with many still thinking as amateurs.
The administration may have failed to grasp many of the policy differences required.
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April 12, 2022 1:26pm
- MCōs
  
  “Modern All Blacks are a major potential body shame for most males.”
  I somehow doubt there’s too many of the NZ Rugby uncles that body shame any ABs that are at peak fitness.
  The women’s game in NZ, while the players may get paid, are not fully professional. That’s the difference between our team that toured Europe and the women they played.
  BTW
  I saw a behind the scenes doco recently of a Lions tour of South Africa. When Warren Gatland gave the team a pre match pep talk it was all Fuck this, Fuck that, kill the cunts sort of stuff & what the fuck are you doing?
  I somehow don’t think that rabble rousing transposes genders (& pay grades?)
  
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  April 12, 2022 5:43pm
Benedict Yu

A teenager has been confirmed as dying from myocarditis caused by the vaccine.

And we get:

“Covid-19 is more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine, and the risk of Covid-19 far outweighs the risk of the vaccine.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300563840/ministry-of-health-announces-third-death-linked-to-covid19-vaccine

OK so two questions.

1. How many teenagers with no serious underlying medical conditions have died from COVID in New Zealand?

2. How many people with no serious underlying medical conditions have died from COVID induced myocarditis in New Zealand?
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April 12, 2022 1:34pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Our authorities have built a house of cards, Benedict. And getting honest answers to those (and other) questions is akin to shaking the table. My advice: don’t hold your breath.
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:01pm
- Mike
  
  I expect the answers to those questions are reasonably complicated and cannot be answered properly for some time yet, Benedict.
  Luckily for us though, Kiwiblog’s team of amateur epidemiologists is on hand to jump to conclusions.
  
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  April 12, 2022 2:31pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    New Zealand and Australia are the two outstanding natural laboratories for assessing vaccine safety with no diseases and vanishingly little covid in 2020 or 2021, but a whole population vaccination program in 2021 that coincided with a 7% increase in excess deaths for the year (~12% during the first 6 months of the vaccination program). In years to come analysis of that will reveal the true harm that the MRNA vaccines have done.
    
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    April 12, 2022 4:16pm
    - Mike
      
      And the true benefits. I know you would not want to jump to any conclusions before full data is available and reviewed, hypotheses tested, results published and criticised, and consensus positions roadly accepted.
      
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      April 12, 2022 4:54pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        2300 extra deaths likely due to vaccines during 2021 was probably worth it in the context of delta that would likely have killed 5-10000 if it had gone through NZ. But almost certainly not in the context of omicron that is resulting in almost no excess deaths amongst even unvaccinated.
        
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        April 12, 2022 5:37pm
I remember when

RNZ: Napier Port lowers earnings forecast:
Continuation of seasonal labour shortages in NZ’s primary sector plus Omicron.
They are expecting stronger second half for meat, forestry and horticulture, assuming industry labour is available.
Gains could be “tempered” by rising inflation.
Container ship arrivals for 6 months to end of March was 102, against 133 a year ago.
Log exports were down 8.7% and refrigerated exports fell 20%.
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April 12, 2022 1:34pm
Philview

I see the Government is of the view that small businesses aren’t paying enough tax and are working on legislation to stop small business owners using company structures to get around the 39% tax bracket.
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April 12, 2022 1:35pm
Nickc2

The link below provides access to an award-winning documentary video about the handling of Covid-19 in Victoria Aust. However, whilst watching it (if you choose to), you will be able to put an NZer to each action taken and its associated reaction.
It’s scary stuff, and I ask the question, were Cindy and Danial Andrews working in a united manner as determined by someone else, given the similarities in their handling of the pandemic?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/04/congratulations-topher-field-battleground-melbourne-winner-best-documentary-berlin-film-festival.html
This video is not pleasant, but it’s true as far as I can tell from what I have seen on TV and read about the subject (albeit via foreign news outlets).
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April 12, 2022 2:14pm
- DimChappie
  
  thanks for the link. Dan clearly did a lot of damage. Imagine having to watch him issue all those crazy edicts that chipped away freedoms. He rivals Ardern for stupid covid policy and out-does her in violence against protesters. I am sure Jacinda wanted to crack down harder than the police did at Parliament.
  
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  April 12, 2022 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

Made me quite ill…..

There’s a number of vids posted to Twitter showing CCP soldiers/police in Shanghai, literally ‘murdering’ residents cats and dogs out in the street!

The poor owners can only watch on out their windows as they remain locked down in their apartments.
The killers throw the bodies in the back of lorries and take them away to be burned.

It is sooo sickening I haven’t been able to watch.
Even images coming out of Bucha are tame by comparison 🙁

That Xi has a lot to answer for!!
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April 12, 2022 3:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah, saw one yesterday on Twitter. Fucking grim watching a group of police standing in a circle beating an innocent pet dog to death with sticks. Soulless thugs.
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:20pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes…absolutely heart-breaking!
    Started to watch them hold a little dog down with a plastic shield while another goon hit it with his baton.
    
    I think it was Gandy [Gandhi] who said….you can judge a race on how they treat their pets.
    
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    April 12, 2022 5:14pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Well I’m glad you two fins it funny!
  
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  April 12, 2022 4:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Now i look silly because Steve & Krazy’s comments have been deleted 🙁
    
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    April 12, 2022 4:50pm
    - Mike
      
      My punning reply about your reference to ‘fins’ got canned too.
      
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      April 12, 2022 5:29pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Good.
        
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        April 12, 2022 6:11pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      WTF? I offered sage advice on the preparation of delicious meat dishes. Mod, what’s your problem? Seriously.
      
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      April 12, 2022 9:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My comment was an off the cuff, light hearted one.
        Hit a Mod’s nerve I guess
        
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        April 13, 2022 8:16am
Inandout

Remember those times before we became a hermit kingdom?
‘Brits are warned to now brace for a summer of airport chaos as airlines struggle with low staff numbers – while emergency plans are drawn up to avoid massive passport queues for Easter getaway’.
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April 12, 2022 4:08pm
billyt

Tragically another vaccine induced death announced today in the MSM. A young person, there is now 3 deaths linked to the vaccine, including a 26-year-old last year. The same day Stuff runs a headline with 500 dead which actually goes on to declare its actually only 51 that have died OF covid. Can someone please actually do some decent grown-up analysis on this, I know it’s hard with big chucks of what should be public information missing. To me given above it appears quite plausible more young people may have serious health complications or have died of the vaccine then covid itself or at best, rates that just don’t in any definition of the word, meet the mantra of ‘safe and effective’ in young healthy people.
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April 12, 2022 4:28pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard a member address the House on Zoom, confirming that in keeping with the diversity-quota, more than 50% of the 1800 new recruits coming out of the Police Academy…..will be FEMALE.

No word yet from any of the gangs as to where women over 130kg will fit into their hierarchy.

SHEESH!!
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April 12, 2022 4:47pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  1/ Almost all violent criminals are male. Most are under 28 and most also have a recreational interest in maintaining athleticism at a level far above average.
  2/ At the same weight men are about 30% stronger and 10% faster than women.
  3/ NZ women average 76kg, men 87kg, Maori men (about half of criminal convictions in NZ) average 96kg.
  
  Female police are fine outside of violent confrontations, but no-one can predict when they will be called upon to attend to violent situations, and they’re in way more danger operating by themselves in eg a rural callout.
  
  Even exceptional women have near zero chance of being able to control a violent resisting average man without relying on weapons and a lot of assistance, it’s difficult enough for a trained man, and should a policewoman lose control of a violent subject they are arresting they are too weak to fight and too slow to run away. Eg see this farcical attempt by 3 swedish policewomen to detain a normal man: https://youtu.be/5EWu-9uYKlw?t=103
  
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  April 12, 2022 5:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP it’s as my partner says…. “Nothing a Glock 45 wouldn’t fix”
    
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    April 12, 2022 5:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ‘Never got raped by a 38’ (American)
      
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      April 13, 2022 8:17am
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[Deleted – Don’t post links without any context. mod.]
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April 12, 2022 4:52pm
Inandout

Oh dear me, the SI lakes are so low today we were seconds away from a blackout. Thank goodness I kept my log fire and didn’t get that EV. Mind you the heat pumps look pretty on the wall.
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April 12, 2022 4:58pm
Loddenthinks

So if somebody dies and they had Covid in the previous 28 days, that’s listed as a “Covid death” but when a teenager dies from myocarditis after getting the vaccine, the official line is “nothing to see here”.

It’s both tragic and sick that Bloomfield is pimping this young man’s totally avoidable death in order to needlessly expose more teenagers to risk of serious injury or death.

“Bloomfield added the family were “very clear” they didn’t want the death to put people off from being vaccinated, “or to be used by groups to undermine vaccine efforts in New Zealand”.”

Piss off Bloomfield, and don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out. Blood is on your hands.
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April 12, 2022 5:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  with the 28 day rule for ‘with covid’ then at 35000 normal deaths a year if all kiwis get omicron 2700 will die ‘with covid’ even if omicron doesn’t kill a single one
  
  As a corollary for this at 483 official ‘with omicron’ deaths and assuming omicron isn’t actually increasing excess deaths at all 483÷3000 = 17.8% of the population has had covid – which is about exactly what the official test figures say (15.4%). In other words omicron is actually killing almost noone (not significantly impacting excess deaths at all).
  
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  April 12, 2022 5:28pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/128346129/hope-new-invercargill-street-naming-policy-leads-to-more-te-reo
Te Rubbish
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April 12, 2022 5:20pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128338306/former-tv-star-basically-rendered-homeless-hours-after-sentencing

“TV Star”: in other words, a recently-employed NZ person who has a minor role in some obscure, unwatched NZ-produced TV show.
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April 12, 2022 5:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think recently employed…
  
  He was described as a former TV star 4 years ago when he drove over someone’s leg.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100970648/former-tv-star-drives-over-man-on-riverbank-while-four-times-the-limit
  
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  April 12, 2022 7:16pm
- Gravelroad
  
  No, I know who this person is.
  Appeared in a popular past TV series (not NZ) that many people will have watched or at least heard of.
  
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  April 13, 2022 6:50am
Aunty

The moral bankruptcy of the communist really knows no bounds. The CCP communists have taken it into their fake science dumb heads (the equals of this board’s resident antivaxers and other associated anticovid whackjobs) that cats can spread Covid. (Caution these clips contain distressing images of animal cruelty)

https://twitter.com/__Inty__/status/1513391636847288321

https://twitter.com/DonnaWongHK/status/1512471589773742082
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April 12, 2022 6:27pm
Magnus Forteman

“The Chief of Defence Force (CDF) yesterday released a directive as an order to members of the Defence Force directing that all personnel that haven’t received the COVID-19 Vaccine are to be subject to discharge. This now also includes all personnel that have not received a booster, which includes a significant portion of the Defence Force at a time when the organisation is already at critically low manning across all areas. This decision has been made despite the High Court ruling that the government order mandating the vaccine for Defence Personnel was unlawful.

The discharge method, known as a performance discharge, normally requires a minimum of a three month warning period. However, the CDF has directed that this requirement will be waived and service personnel now only require two weeks notice to be kicked out, if it’s for choosing to not receive the COVID-19 vaccine or a booster. This process would normally give the service member’s commanding officer the authority to retain them. This authority has also been taken away so that the decision will be made by service chiefs instead.

The CDF, Air Marshal Kevin Short, has consistently taken a hard line on vaccination and does not seem to have been deterred in this by the High Court ruling of it being an unjustified limitation of the rights of Service Personnel. Following this ruling, Frontline Law sent letters to the Police Commissioner and the Chief of Defence Force on behalf of the affected, unvaccinated personnel asking for engagement on how they would be reintegrated into their organisations. The Police Commissioner responded by meeting with affected personnel, answering their questions and discussing a way forward for their integration. In contrast, the CDF didn’t even acknowledge the letter and most unvaccinated service members are still unable to return to work.

This position has also seen all Defence Areas maintain vaccine passports even after they’ve been removed from most public places. The requirement is still extended to service personnel being able to do basic things like book leave centres or take their kids to the park if they’re posted to areas like Waiouru. While the rest of the country has moved on from vaccine passports, the NZDF hasn’t and are still implementing them as rigorously as ever. This is despite huge numbers of vaccinated personnel contracting and recovering from COVID-19 regardless of whether they happened to have an unvaccinated person in their vicinity or not.

Many service personnel have good reason to not want to receive the vaccine including religious grounds or having had a reaction to a previous dose. We’ve served New Zealand both domestically and overseas on operations. We now want to continue this battle for what is right by opposing this directive and the agenda for compulsory vaccinations to prove that these actions are not only immoral but also unlawful.”
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