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CJames

With the recent violence in our central cities, including gun incidents in Wellington, will the Police Minister still claim it is safe and there has not been an increase? She seems to have been very quiet lately: is she still in witless protection? The MP for Wellington Central has also been silent on the problem. Maybe Ms Willis was right.
The one thing I would like to know is how many of these gun incidents involve an MSSA or illegal weapon and have a licenced gun owner. I suspect the answer is lots and none respectively. If that is the case, it would show the gun buyback was just an ill-thought out PR exercise wasting taxpayer’s money. Something this government specialises in.
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April 25, 2022 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  The Media reported yet another mass display of wealth and power on the roads ,this time the gang called the Killer bees or some such juvenile ,imported ghetto moniker .
  
  Surely the regime and media should be questioning the source of the wealth and doing its utmost to disrupt and prevent .
  
  Gangs and drugs are destroying the social fabric of this once proud and hard working nation. Far more so than any imported lab escape bug. There was plenty of money for that , why not for destroying the gangs .
  We should have a zero gangs policy , not carbon zero , again a pointless priority and huge expenditure and disruption to the economy and productivity that makes no differnce to ordinary New Zealanders’ lives and will make no difference to the weather , when smashing the gangs would be a wonderful social , moral , economic value.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And the bloke shot by Police last weekend was farewelled by a large number of Nomads gang members, whilst his father was released from prison to attend the tangi. Police basically told travellers to avoid SH3 near the New Plymouth Crematorium to avoid the area for several hours on Saturday, so gang members could do burnouts en route to the tangi.
    
    Welcome to New Zealand, 2022.
    
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    April 25, 2022 2:16pm
    - kowtow
      
      I can’t help but juxtapose what I will call “A tale of two rammings”
      
      The Media Pardy went apeshit over an alleged anti vaxxer driving towards the police in Wellington , on and on did they go about it , how evil , spawn of satan , to endanger our guardians so , the boys in blue out there saving the country and all of us from the Bat pox carrying river of filth and scum.
      
      The other ram was that New Plymouth one . And the Media pardy reaction.
      
      How dare the Cops protect themselves . Poor lad going straight . Lost potential . Cops with delayed answers for the media , how secretive and sinister ……….
      
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      April 25, 2022 2:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Wellington police were quick to tell us that “firearm incidents are relatively rare in Wellington”, (implying that they are common elsewhere in NZ).
  
  But have the police forgotten these episodes from the last few months
  
  Jan 2022
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/four-men-arrested-another-rushed-to-hospital-after-shooting-in-upper-hutt.html
  
  31 October
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/31/person-seriously-injured-in-wellington-shooting/
  18 October
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126716089/man-arrived-at-hutt-hospital-in-critical-condition-after-being-shot-police-appeal-for-information
  
  July
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447909/woman-arrested-in-relation-to-wellington-shooting
  
  OK, shootings may not be happening daily…but there seems to be a much greater frequency than a few years back…and gangs seem to be involved in the majority of incidents.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    C’mon Maggy- three of the four links relate to Porirua & the Hutt Valley – not Welly at all //
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:33am
    - rouppe
      
      All part of the Wellington district as far as policing is concerned
      
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      April 25, 2022 12:03pm
  - bjools
    
    BUT…the comparison point was…
    Mariupol’
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes Maggy, they’ve forgotten all of those. I mean, it’s not like they have a Police HQ in Wellington or anything.
    
    Still, those people doing 112 kph on Transmission Gully? Nailed the bastards!
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:56am
  - Prince
    
    Instead of doing their job, Police’s first priority is to protect Ardern and her cronies.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:37am
- peterwn
  
  As I indicated yesterday the Government only wants the minimum of policing (general policing as distinct from road safety policing) to avert a complete breakdown of law and order.
  Perhaps the Government should direct the Police to temporarily divert some ‘road safety’ officers and cars to general policing and provide the extra budget to do that.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:24am
  - bjools
    
    Considering the holiday toll so far.
    They might as well, for all the good they are doing.
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:55am
    - yobi
      
      Anything these muppets do has an opposite effect. It would have been better and less deadly if they had a campaign to increase the road toll!
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:47pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  CJames – you just beautifully summed up whole Ardern leadership era and every policy she is responsible for, from covid, to 3 waters, removal of guns, child poverty, mental health, homelessness. Perfectly summed up – “an ill-thought out PR exercise wasting taxpayer’s money.”
  
  That will be the epitaph on her political tombstone. An utter waste of space. Cheers.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:41am
  - bjools
    
    F or
    A ll
    I nitiatives of the
    L abour Party,
    U nrelated to
    R eal
    E vents
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:01am
- CJames
  
  I note Cactus has noticed the gun violence in her own acerbic way.
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-week-in-new-zealand.html
  I wonder when the hate speech police will come for her?
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:51am
  - covfefe
    
    Cactus so underrated.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:57am
  - Cactus Kate
    
    Would be an interesting matter of jurisdiction given my current whereabouts!
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:37pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I am writing this in utter anger. Whatever happens in the streets of Wellington, even if there are 100 dead bodies, the gutless, spineless Wellington Sheepe will vote the thief Robbertson with increased majority. So they deserve everything they are getting now.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is a big pity Cr Iona Pannett didn’t voice her support for Nicola Willis last year, when Nicola pointed out how dangerous Central Wellington had become.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/128443996/gangland-shooting-in-central-wellington-it-cannot-happen-again
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:45pm
    - CJames
      
      Don’t hold your breath waiting for Ms Pannett to say she was wrong. Of course, when the shootings start in Wadestown, it will be a different issue.
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:06pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        She snd rotten Labour ministers called the lovely Willis a scaremongering scum for daring to say she would be scared to walk down the street at night
        
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        April 25, 2022 1:24pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, it was Green co-leader Marama Davidson, and she accused Nicola Willis of being racist and classist:
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/03/the-tweet-that-sparked-racism-row-in-parliament-between-marama-davidson-and-nicola-willis.html
        
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        April 25, 2022 2:20pm
mikenmildagain

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Happy World Malaria Day!
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April 25, 2022 8:02am
- Jade Warrior
  
  I think I will prioritise the fact that today is Anzac Day. Thanks for nothing Mike.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:15am
  - Mike
    
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    You might not have noticed that there is a separate thread for Anzac Day.
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      You might notice that no-one is happy having malaria, or having to treat it.
      
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      April 25, 2022 11:29am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        We should be happy that there is a day devoted to the global effort to control malaria. This year’s theme is ‘Harness innovation to reduce the malaria disease burden and save lives.’
        Special thanks to Bill Gates for the several hundred million dollars he has committed to this cause.
        
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        April 25, 2022 12:49pm
- MCōs
  
  My mother in law died of malaria in her fifties.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:20am
  - bjools
    
    My father in Law had it, the recurrences every 10 years were not very funny.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:04am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So is Malaria good or bad in your view?
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:42am
    - MCōs
      
      My mother in law died before before I met her, but my wife loved her dearly.
      Furthermore.
      Her death caused huge disruption in her family. Those who were still at school had to leave and fend for themselves because she was the bread winner & their father wouldn’t support them.
      So to answer your question.
      Bad, in my view & probably the thirty odd thousand know to be infected annually in Thailand.
      
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      April 25, 2022 4:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get your Hydroxy Mike. Not the one that cleans fish tanks.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:27am
I remember when

While appreciating the difficulties covid could have for the armed forces Anzac Day without their participation seems wrong.
If the armed forces don’t commemorate Anzac Day what is the point.
Large presence of our Army and Air Force at our Dawn Parade and as we were dispersing there was a Whut, Whut, Whut and two Air Force helicopters in close formation did a flypass.
Just seemed perfect.
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April 25, 2022 8:09am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  In the spirit of Abbott and Costello’s famous baseball skit “Who’s on first?” now we have the duo’s lost masterpiece ‘Who’s Been Vaccinated?’
  
  Bud: ‘Sorry, you can’t come in here!’
  Lou: ‘Why not?’
  Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
  Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
  Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
  Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
  Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
  Bud: ‘Yes.’
  Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
  Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
  Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
  Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
  Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
  Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
  Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
  Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread Covid?’
  Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread Covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
  Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
  Bud: ‘Ok.’
  Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
  Bud: ‘That’s right.’
  Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
  Bud: ‘Certainly.’
  Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
  Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
  Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
  Lou: ‘Never mind. I’ll just put on my mask”
  Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
  Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
  Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
  Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
  Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
  Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
  Bud: ‘I know.’
  Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
  Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
  Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
  Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
  Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
  Bud: ‘Correct.’
  Lou: ‘Why not?’
  Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
  Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
  Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
  Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
  Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
  Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
  Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
  Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
  Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
  Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
  Bud: ‘Third base.’
  
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  April 25, 2022 12:27pm
  - alloytoo
    
    I think that explains the logic of this perfectly.
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Used to quite enjoy Dancing With the Stars so I thought I’d give it another go.
Kerre’s performance was a bit ordinary, then there were a succession of people I’d never heard of and finally they trotted out a couple of gays.
That was it for me.
And what about the guy with the flouro green hair?
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April 25, 2022 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  CM, we record The Chase and watch it over dinner so as we FF through the ads and promos we catch some of the trash served up as ‘entertainment’. So glad we have fibre and streaming.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I am sorry to read you were forced to watch gay people dancing.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:32am
- Flossie
  
  I thought I’d have a look at it too. I joined in too late to catch Kerre’s performance and agree with Captain…the rest of them were stars??? The same sex couple danced quite well but I couldn’t follow the judges scoring criteria. I felt that Butterbean, although undoubtedly charming, was quite clumsy, and the lowest scored (all 6ft 5 of him) did a better job.
  Who are these two male judges anyway. The green haired one seemed to have great difficulty stringing his comments together.
  I’ll probably not bother to watch again.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:19am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  If this year’s DWTS ratings head south, will the producers proudly claim that aotearoa truly is a pack of racist homophobes?
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:29am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They’ll head south, and it will probably be blamed on that, but the reality is that “reality” shows are as far divorced from reality as Ardern and honesty.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:00am
- bjools
  
  Confirming, I was right not to watch.
  Thank you for your service, and sympathy for your suffering.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:07am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  TV is mostly watched by old people who haven’t figured out streaming. If they do stuff that puts off that demographic then they are the authors of their own destruction.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:45am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If you are watching DWTS, you are fit to vote Greens in my opinion.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s not what the twerking David Seymour thought, as he powered yo a hood position in DWTS then went on to take 7% at the election
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:27pm
I remember when

A couple of points from our Dawn Service.
Firstly, the MC suggested that we mouthed the words of the National Anthems because of covid requirements.
A derisory laugh passed through the large, 70% unmasked gathering.
Secondly, the singer of the National Anthems decided to add a rather muted Aotearoa after the final ‘God defend New Zealand.’
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April 25, 2022 8:19am
- Opie
  
  On the rugby league on Friday night they did the traditional Anzac ceremony (which they do really well over there) and followed up with the nz and australian national anthems.
  
  The girl only sang the English version of ours. Quite refreshing after the torrent of maori shit being rammed down our throats at present
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Copied and pasted.
“A young lady I had the pleasure of working with a few years ago shared this today on Facebook, it describes her feelings/emotions when she was involved in carrying the coffin of a fallen soldier onto the plane that would take him home for the last time. (she has kindly given her permission for me to share it with you all)
We stood still as the desert heat surrounded us, our mournful energy was almost visible in the pre-dawn haze.
The deafening silence amongst the group was as resounding as the sadness in our eyes.
Struggling to keep my tears from falling, I stared at the flag draped across the coffin.
It would forever hold a new meaning to me.
It covered you, as if the entire country was embracing your body, attempting to provide comfort in your time of need.
I saw your face in my mind, imagined your smile, what your laugh would sound like… And I broke.
As my tears began to fall, I kept my eyes on the flag. A tidal wave of emotions was ripping through me as I struggled to stay composed.
The weight on our shoulders as we carried you home felt insignificant in comparison to the heaviness in our hearts.
As we bowed our heads before you, my eyes slowly closed. My heart swelled with love and respect for you, our fallen.
The aircraft door closed, and you were gone from our sight. No longer before our eyes, but never far from our thoughts.
As the sun rises on this day, I will remember.
The heroes of the past, and those who are currently in a foreign land, fighting in the pursuit for a better world.
I will breathe in the morning air, the same air that they once breathed… I will breathe in them.
My lungs will be filled with the fallen, and I shall exhale a silent thank you for their sacrifice.
The world has not forgotten. They, and all that continue to fall under the flags, will never be forgotten.
I salute the immortal memory of the Anzacs.”
Lest we forget.
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April 25, 2022 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems Co-Governance is working so well, we don’t even notice.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/apr/24/in-new-zealand-maori-co-governance-is-already-underway-referendum-or-not
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April 25, 2022 8:25am
- RalphT
  
  Reading it, I thought “what a load of drivel”. And at the end I saw it was by our old friend Morgan Godfrey, which confirmed it.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:37am
- Swifty
  
  Morgan Godfery should be asked to give examples of where the racial policies he favours are working elsewhere in the world.
  
  For every one he gives, I’ll name five where they led to great bloodshed and butchery if not actual civil war.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:47am
- emmess
  
  I am Kiwi and I couldn’t understand half that, what is a Pom supposed to make of it?
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:37am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I can’t understand why anyone who believes in democracy would be against a referendum but of course I’ve just answered my own question. Those clutching their pearls at the suggestion of a referendum on co governance I believe are just concerned about losing and losing so badly the idea will be put to bed for good. Equally the reason that the government hid their co governance policies from the nation at the last election is because they knew , or at least suspected, they would lose it. So they don’t want a referendum and they don’t want to test their policies at the ballot box. What they do want to do is push through a policy regardless of it’s popularity on an unsuspecting public who will have to live with the consequences for good , whatever they may be, and if negative face untold upheaval trying to reverse them. So actually I guess do understand why they don’t want a referendum it’s because they don’t believe in democracy. They believe that they know best and we should all just shut up and continue to provide the money for it.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:51am
  - Swifty
    
    Co-governance proponents will do and say anything to avoid a referendum because they know they’ll lose badly.
    
    This is why they are frantically trying to frame a referendum as the majority bullying the minority.
    
    Elsewhere in the world they call this democracy.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:19am
- Jack5
  
  Morgan Godfery is a strong Leftist, a former professional union organiser, who, surprisingly, runs an Otago University entrepreneurship course. Socialism and communism are at the opposite pole of the capitalist cpmce[t pf entrepreneurship.
  
  Godfery’s also a business development manager in the university’s Centre for Innovation. Perhaps his business posts are because, or partly because, he’s also the university’s Maori partnerships research manager, and Otago ensures all research projects are vetted by Maori. His law degree doesn’t make him a business guru.
  
  Godfery is an active writer against “colonialism”. An article in the Herald in 2015 described Godfery a”specialises in Maori politics and indigenous issues.”
  
  Otago University, which uses race-based entry to some medical courses, wouldn’t be more Woke if it were a giant methamphetamine mill.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:51am
  - Jack5
    
    Edit:Socialism and communism are at the opposite pole of the capitalist concept of entrepreneurship.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who noticed that Democracy has changed?

It is no longer “First past the post”.
Willie Jackson and his Labour mates want half the team across the finishing line before the race even starts… That’s partnership for you.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/24/willie-jackson-co-governance-a-chance-at-equity-for-maori/
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April 25, 2022 8:30am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Jackson on Q and A rabbitted on talking nonsense to Tame about MMP and FPP trying to link that to co-governance. It matters not to him that it was incoherent, mumbo jumbo – he just bullies his way through interviews as he obviously does in Cabinet.
  
  My fear is that Seymour’s referendum may backfire. Too little thought and planning went into the idea. It is not really referenda material. The idea of co-governance in unconstitutional – end of story.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:48am
- Iamright
  
  Jackson is a waste of space and clearly has an agenda to have the minority ruling the majority. Someone needs to point him in the direction of a dictionary to look up the definition of democracy
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cheating by stealth?
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW
  Yes, Mr Jackson, and an increasing number of other single issue activists, seems to have adopted the line that we can’t be having the “tyranny of the majority” when it comes to voting in a democracy.
  So what will we have then – the tyranny of the minority?
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:31am
  - Ehlana
    
    That is the alternative, yes. And one they are very happy with – as long as they are the tyrannical minority, of course.
    
    What needs constant restatement is that a free society means freedom of thought, expression and association is the right of all citizens, including those who are in the minority. Democracy is how free societies choose representative governments; free enterprise is how they organise themselve economically.
    
    In a free society the government should set minimum acceptable standards for goods and services, then allow people to organise themselves to provide these things – through for-profit or not-for-profit enterprises, voluntary associations, charities, etc. In that way, any minority can provide for themselves the services that matter to them in the way they want to do them.
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:44pm
- Philview
  
  How many democratic countries in the world have a Government that talks about “the tyranny of the majority” and is developing plans to partially dismantle democracy? The intent of this is now out in the open and yet it seems most of the population aren’t bothered.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I have read of Kiwiblog many defences of US democracy, for example, which in many respects entrenches the power of voters in rural areas of smaller populations at the expense of voters in larger urban areas.
    That’s just one example. There are many more ways that simple democratic choice is moderated by other institutions.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:56am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I don’t think you will find a democracy that weights votes on race .
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky, you realise your (10.56, above) post is also a defence of the Apartheid voting system of South Africa?
      
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      April 25, 2022 2:13pm
      - mawm
        
        Not really. SA quite plainly did not have a universal franchise and the vote was in the hands of white citizens only. The size of each white electorate, especially the rural vote, was gerrymandered to favour the ruling party. That is why the National party, the apartheid party, managed to win all the elections despite winning the popular vote on only 2 occasions. So Mike is partially right – America is not a democracy – it’s a Constitutional Republic. There’s a difference.
        
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        April 25, 2022 6:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        MAWM’s …the vote was in the hands of white citizens only …
        
        Under later apartheid there were votes in Bantustans, but these were not equal to votes outside them.
        
        If Maori get privileged representation, that is need fewer voters per elected representative than non-Maori do, that isn’t totally unlike the different powers of votes in, and outside, the Bantustans of apartheid-era South Africa.
        
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        April 25, 2022 7:38pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      So far as I’m aware, so I could well be wrong, the only respect in which the US ‘entrenches’ the powers of rural voters, is incidentally through giving each state the same representation in the Senate, regardless of total population. Since the US has a federal constitution in which states are geographically separate, have their own state governments, budgets, laws, this is at least semi-defensible, and is not specifically an entrenchment of rural voting privilege: small, not-particularly-rural states such as Delaware and Rhode Island benefit also.
      
      When state and local governments manipulate wards and electorates in order to to suppress or magnify a particular group’s voting power, this is usually denounced as gerrymandering, at least by the losing side.
      
      The original US constitution, I think, counted slaves as 3/5 of a person for electoral representation while denying them the vote. This is now seen as a shameful blot on US history. Who would defend it as moderating simple democratic choice? If Coffey et al wish to moderate Rotorua voters’ choices, perhaps they should consult the voters first.
      
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      April 25, 2022 2:24pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        I should have added that the same representation of states also determines who becomes president, rather than the popular vote, a quite important effect.
        
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        April 25, 2022 2:34pm
    - Ehlana
      
      In the US federal system, each states get two senators (so equal senate voting power), while the number of congressional districts is determined by population (similar to our Parliament).
      
      Remember that when this sytem was first developed, a far greater proportion of the population would have lived rurally, so the effect at Senate level was probably quite different.
      
      The US Constitution provides the mechanism for changing this system if it is found unworkable and also for protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
      
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      April 25, 2022 3:52pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    All of the self-hating Whites who are deluded into feeling (i.e. not thinking) that Maori have been systemically disadvantaged will be in for a rude shock when they themselves are actually systemically disadvantaged for being White and that being an ally of Maori doesn’t entitle them to anything at all. For some, a figurative punch in the face from cold hard reality will be the only thing that will make them understand the tangible implications of what was hitherto a comforting theory.
    
    The essence is that they are willingly giving up political influence and cultural dominance in exchange for …. what, I’m not too sure. Subservience on both counts, I suppose. Convincing people via emotive manipulation is a much better way to take power than the old method of taking it by force, and is necessary when the usurpers are a vast and incapable minority.
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:46pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Willie summed it up himself, using his usual made up soundbites, when he referred to “the tyranny of majority”.
  
  Clearly Maori don’t want democracy, or a referendum, as they are a minority and would likely be outvoted.
  
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  April 25, 2022 2:24pm
Durden

What the heck is happening with this NZ Government and what is this country being subjected to?

Who or what the hell is “te Minita” ? What is Whanaketanga Maori ?

“agreed that te Minita continue working in partnership with Pou Tikanga and the Human
Rights Commission on the development of a draft Declaration plan”

https://www.tpk.govt.nz/documents/download/documents-2306-A/tpk-undrip-minute0053.pdf
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April 25, 2022 8:34am
- BeaB
  
  It surprises me that Māori are happy with token Te Reo words and phrases being jumbled into what is an essentially English language document or speech. RNZ do it as a kind of smug middle-class nod to our indigenous people.
  To me it would be respectful to have a complete version in each language rather than this bastardisation.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:45am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    BeaB totally agree. The thing is the whole exercise isn’t for Māori it’s for those RNZ types to display their virtue along with all the other cultural appropriation they feel is ok when they do it. It’s about how they feel and project themselves to each other. Māori are just being exploited by them as usual. IMHO
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    It is patronising virtue signalling and as such is racist and also disrespectful to both the culture it pretends to promote and to its actual audience .
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:05am
  - bjools
    
    But then you will have the argument…
    Which is the legitimate document and was the translation correct.
    Don’t we have that with the ToW?
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “our indigenous people”
    
    We have no indigenous people Bea, we’re all immigrants or descended from them.
    
    Agree with the rest of your post – have one or the other, or both, but not some pidgin manglish.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I presume something to do with the Minister of Maori Development.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve given up trying to understand the pidgin gibberish the media and government serve up. Randomly mashing two languages together does no justice to either.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All it does is make those doing it think they are clever. They are not, just blow hards.
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:23am
  - Swifty
    
    I tell you what it does do, certainly for me, is make things terribly difficult to follow, to know what organisation is doing what – what their respective purposes are etc.
    
    When I’m reading an article and am constantly having to google words or look up multiple organisations I often just give up and therefore become less-well engaged and informed about what our government is up to.
    
    Maybe that’s the point.
    
    Maybe
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It reminds me of folks who used Latin ad nauseum.
    
    Sed, equus mortum flagellas, cogito.
    
    Alae iacta est. Manglish is now the status quo. It has become the de facto official language Novae Zelandiae.
    
    Cui bono?
    Sequere pecuniam…and you’ll discover the portae custodes.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:01am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Well explained, MW. In fact, QED.
      
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      April 25, 2022 12:16pm
- Yvette
  
  Durden, the document you link to seems to relate to the implementation of the UN Indigenous Rights Declaration, which Government has said is not Government policy in terms of the He Papua Report.
  Some pertinent points seem to be –
  
  5 noted that previous Cabinet decisions in 2019 and 2021 provide parameters for the development of the Declaration plan [MCR-19-MIN-0003, SWC-21-MIN-0083];  
  6 noted that consistency with the Declaration will need to happen over time and require some adjustments to the legal and policy settings;  
  7 agreed that the draft Declaration plan will:
  7.1 outline an iterative process of regularly reviewing and updating the Declaration plan  through to 2040;   7.2 confirm the government’s commitment to realise the Declaration and present a roadmap of actions to be taken to achieve change;   7.3 be informed by key themes that arose from the targeted engagement workshops;   7.4 make explicit reference to relevant articles of the Declaration and Te Tiriti o Waitangi and use the language of these documents wherever possible;   7.5 include an approach to monitoring and evaluation;
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:19am
  - Durden
    
    The phrase “He PuaPua” is tainted so is simply being de-commisioned . Wily Willie has everything from He Puapua simply re-stated as “themes” emerging from the consultation, which happened only with Maori, that has just ended. Presumably Government policy will give effect to these themes, effectively in full.
    
    What do Maori want ? EVERYTHING. Because they — “said the Declaration plan should cover off self-determination, participation in kāwanatanga, land, resources and the environment, education, health, justice, culture, housing, equity and fairness, economic development and business, whānau ora and ongoing education about the Declaration and Indigenous rights”
    
    https://www.tpk.govt.nz/documents/download/documents-2306-A/tpk-appendix2-key%20themes-2022.pdf
    
    I also notice that some MSM reporting is floating around saying that — “Tino Rangatiratanga” trumps “Kawanatanga”. Flipping the whole Treaty concept of the Crown permitting self governance in certain Maori domains, to, sovereign Maori self-governance dictating/permitting to the Crown what it can and cannot do across any and all domains.
    
    It also looks like Wily Willie has also figured out that they do not need a second house of (Maori) Parliament. So that is off the table. After all, a guaranteed 50% representation at the co-governance table plus one or two more Maori picking up the seats from the remaining 50% general quota means Maori have full majority over governance.
    
    If we believe these fig leafs of words is any protection “Cabinet intended that implementing the Declaration will not take away from the rights of all citizens or threaten the unity of our country”, we are dreaming.
    
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    April 25, 2022 10:48am
    - chukar
      
      We should not engage with them.
      If a request comes couched in the language every New Zealander knows it should be considered.
      If the request comes in Te Reo ,Spanish , Tongan or any other language ,file it in the bin!
      Simple courtesy on the applicants part.
      
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      April 25, 2022 6:40pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Like many, my previous agnostic feeling to Maoritanga has morphed into absolute loathing. I’m sick of having this pidgin English force-fed to me on a daily basis.
  If Maori fail to perceive it is actually counterproductive to their stated ’cause’,their leaders are more stupid than most of us realised !
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:16am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Durden bro – That means you vote Labour so that you can get a Labour-Maori-Green party gummit in 2023.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:45am
Simon

The party with China looks to be ending. The Russia / China political union, the Honiara-Beijing pact. The Biden Admin / US policy towards China is hostile. (not the Trump style trade issues)

CCP spent a bit of money leasing both Labour & National but the lease will be running out. Luxon unlike Key was not purchased by the CCP. Incoming Luxon government with all the work to do.

Cindy’s trip to Japan was with heavy emphasis on security. Seems to be overlooked in NZ MSM?

The party with China is over.
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April 25, 2022 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh no it is not…
  
  Our Dear Leader is playing at International Brinkmanship…
  
  Didn’t you see her exclusive interview with BBC earlier in the week?
  
  Working with assertive China a must – New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61160207
  
  Yep,
  she’s sending mixed messages … but that’s par for the course with her, isn’t it?
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:10am
  - coge
    
    NZ would get precisely the same under Luxon/Willis.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:50am
  - Simon
    
    “Our Dear Leader is playing at International Brinkmanship…”
    
    Cindy is incidental. She went to Japan as instructed.
    
    This is NZ foreign policy high lighted here.
    
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/11/fact-sheet-indo-pacific-strategy-of-the-united-states/
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “Yep, yep, that’s exactly what it is….” to quote dear leader in one of her more inspirational moments when she was inspiring us with “a full two week period of sustained propaganda……”
    
    So many memorable quotes!
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:39pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Arderns whole life seems to be running with the fox whilst chasing with the hounds
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:56pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”
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Minister of Māori Development Willie Jackson says democracy in 2022 is broader and more expansive than just one person, one vote.
… “The nature of democracy has changed. This is a democracy now where you take into account the needs of people, the diverse needs, the minority needs. Its not the tyranny of the majority anymore, that’s what co-management and co-governance is about. It’s nothing to fear,” Jackson said.

If Elections are not to be “one person, one vote”, what will the voting ratio be?

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He told Q A with Jack Tame that his Government’s push to have co-governance and co-management arrangements beyond those already introduced through Treaty settlements, were a response to the need to meet Māori ambitions, and address Māori inequality.

Will the Treaty of Waitangi be re-written, in particular Article 3, equality of “British subjects”

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“It’s a sad state of affairs when our constitutional settings are changing and the Government can’t put forward a coherent argument. At best they don’t understand what they’re saying, at worst they’re deliberately muddying the water with misinformation.”

When exactly will Government put forward a statement of intention, which can actually be discussed.

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Jackson acknowledged that not all efforts, be they at local or central government level, have got the balance right, such as the Rotorua District Council Representative Arrangements Bill, which was introduced by Labour MP Tamati Coffee, and supported at its first reading by Labour.

The “Rotorua District Council Bill”, supported at its first reading by Labour, is now questioned as legitimate in relation to the Bill of Rights bu the Attorney General, who is of course a Labour Minister, so when will Labour sort that out, and is it adding confusion to any discussion of “co-governance as a main issue?
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Indeed, why is Willie Jackson discussing this matter at all at the moment, since it was announced he would take a paper to Cabinet on the findings of his Maori consultation and the Government would then announce matters for a nation-wide non-Maori “conversation”

Has the Government already created the void which extreme ideas fill before a formal position is announced – as was the case with the “conversation” on Capital Gains Tax – and will “co-governance suffer the same fate :
Government kills off capital gains tax, won’t happen on Jacinda Ardern’s watch
“I genuinely believe there are inequities in our tax system that a capital gains tax in some form could have helped to resolve. That’s an argument Labour has made as a party since 2011.”
Ardern said she was still proud of commissioning the tax report and said the Government had not shied away from the debate. [although the Government never produced a policy to discuss]
The main reason for not going ahead with the CGT was because it was clear New Zealanders did not want one, she said.

“Dead in the water” – if you can still say that

“co-governance” quotes – https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/24/willie-jackson-co-governance-a-chance-at-equity-for-maori/
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April 25, 2022 8:49am
- Philview
  
  I am hearing Willie loud and clear. He and his Government want democracy gone.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:56am
- Swifty
  
  “The nature of democracy has changed….”
  
  1. Exactly what has changed? How has it changed? According to whom? When did this happen? Who else has noticed?
  
  Of course, I won’t hold my breath.
  
  “This is a democracy now where you take into account the needs of people, the diverse needs, the minority needs.”
  
  What?
  
  What does he thing successive governments over the last 150 years have been doing?
  
  How has Willie Jackson become enormously wealthy given the apparent oppression he’s been living under?
  
  “Its not the tyranny of the majority anymore, that’s what co-management and co-governance is about,” Jackson said.”
  
  So now we’re going to have the tyranny of the minority?
  
  Clown
  
  “It’s nothing to fear”
  
  Ahem.
  
  “Shortly after the 2002 election, Mana Motuhake left the Alliance and Jackson worked on setting up a new pan-tribal independent Māori party. He then supported Tariana Turia when she quit the Labour Party and founded the new Māori Party where Jackson and McCarten played supporting roles.”
  
  Followed by:
  
  “Despite the controversy that arose out of the Roast Busters scandal, Jackson and Tamihere won the prestigious North Island Whānau Ora contract in 2014 with their National Urban Māori Authority. It is the biggest independent contract that has been allocated to Māori (over $14 million per annum). Their work in the communities of South Auckland and West Auckland with Māori was seen as the primary reason for them winning the contract according to Whānau Ora Minister, Tariana Turia.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Jackson_(politician)
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Leftie scum can say anything they like about demeaning women, #metoo was only for rightie scum
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:32pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Rotorua Lakes District Council already has Maori representation. So when Jackson rabbits on about “better representation” what he really means is “dominance”. Substitute that word and the real agenda is revealed.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:12am
  - Gravelroad
    
    A family member spent three terms as an elected representative on a local council.
    In all that time, the governance and management groups practically begged the local iwi to send their people to be paid reps on some of the council committees.
    Eventually one man was identified as “the one”, but he seldom turned up to take part. He had voting rights on the committees and would be paid a fee per meeting attended.
    But no interest in local democracy apparently.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:10am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And Willie Jackson should crawl back into the hole he came from. “Democracy in 2022 is broader and more expansive than just one person, one vote”. According to who? Not me, that’s for sure.
  “The nature of democracy has changed. This is a democracy now where you take into account the needs of people, the diverse needs, the minority needs”. Again, changed? According to WHO?
  And here’s the deal for Maori, YOU signed up to the Treaty, you handed sovereignty to the Queen. End of story. And if you want to change it, we want all the money back that we have given you, plus interest. Then, when repayments are made, we will have a referendum of the people. That’s democracy Willie. If they agree that Maori should have more representation, then so be it. If they tell you to shove off, the off you will go.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:21am
Iamright

Watched both The Nation and Q & A on the weekend. Now I wouldn’t mind if the interviewers treated Government Ministers as thy treated Kuxon and Willis, but they don’t. Both Tame and Sheppard were a disgrace but both Nats held their composure. I know I wouldn’t have!!!! I got told off by my better half for my language. Just as well my blood pressure wasn’t being monitored
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April 25, 2022 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  Across the Media they have seized upon Tame’s very juvenile and what should be reviled “gotcha” question re Luxon’s pay rise .
  While what Luxon was dealing with has huge import for the nation the best the Media Pardy could come up with was that silly “gotcha” moment .
  
  My advise to any incoming fiscal conservative govt is ; there’re huge opportunities to save the taxpayer a fortune by selling off all media assets and riding the accounts of any and all subsidies thereto.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:12am
Gravelroad

RIP newstalkzb night time radio host, Bruce Russell, who died unexpectedly last night.
Didn’t listen to him often, but when I did I admired his gumption to talk sense without fear or favour.
He wasn’t a conceited know-all like so many of them and was prepared to listen to differing points of view without resorting to put downs and insults to those with whom he did not agree.
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April 25, 2022 9:08am
- leoj
  
  ZB and conservatives lost a huge voice with Bruce Russell’s passing.
  
  With Leighton Smith’s and Larry Williams’ retirement and now losing Bruce, all we have left is Mike Hosking to keep the left from clogging the airwaves.
  
  The rest of them on Newstalk ZB are pretenders, pretending to be unbiased but most actually are very soft on this bastard of a government that is currently ruining the country with each passing day.
  
  Rest in peace Bruce. You and your conservatism will be missed, bigly.
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:48am
  - stewmar
    
    Bruce didn’t like National and was dismissive of Luxon.
    
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    April 25, 2022 11:21am
    - leoj
      
      …and he was right to do so.
      The National Party is far from being conservative.
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:09pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Then vote for Labour then, there are two options at the election, Nat led, or Labour led
        
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        April 25, 2022 8:10pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Was he one of those fools that hates the government, but refused to support the only alternative there is, let’s guess, he is a Peters coruptee
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:35pm
- Tricati
  
  I was deeply saddened to hear of Bruce’s passing. He seemed to be that last bastion of speaking up for people of my generation, and had a wealth of knowledge to back up his opinions – Something really lacking in the so called journalists of today.
  I will miss his insight, as I listen through the night, as he clearly articulated the dire direction NZ is heading. Rest in Peace Bruce.
  
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  April 25, 2022 12:41pm
fightingtemeraire

Have you noticed that all the Maori Knights are now Ta ( macron over the a) So and So
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April 25, 2022 9:10am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’ve noticed they’re mostly so-and-sos…
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and Dames are using the Title – Kahurangi
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:21am
Truman lodge

What happens in 100 years if 80 percent of the population has Maori ancestry of some sort? Will the remain population have their property and savings confiscated and be serfs to Maori?
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April 25, 2022 9:15am
- MCōs
  
  I’ll let you know
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In 100 years time most NZers will probably have some Asian (Chinese and Indian, in the main) ancestry.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:23am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I recently watched a doco on the Nazi Nuremberg laws where the status of an individual was dependant on their heritage. Complex guides where drawn up to explain if a citizen was a citizen or if they were of pure enough heritage to hold such and such a position in society. Proving your pure blood line back to X amount of years could mean the difference of being able to treat a patient if you were a Dr or marry a person you had fallen in love with. On this Anzac Day I have been thoughtful of the sacrifice my own family made fighting this perverse nonsense. My father was Parachute regiment, his brother Sussex Regiment 3rd Airborne Division, swam the Rhine to escape captivity, their oldest brother CSM G Patrol long range desert group mentioned in dispatches and awarded MM at Salerno later dropped into Yugoslavia to help partisans fight retreating Germans and Tito”s communists. There were of course the others who endured the wrath of the Luftwaffe such as my aunties and grand parents having to sleep in garden shelters every night for months with their infant children. Idiots now are prepared to see themselves and the world through the same corrupt racial lenses . Thats as maybe but their expectation that I respect them sort of makes me sick.
    
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    April 25, 2022 12:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      dropped into Yugoslavia to help partisans fight retreating Germans and Tito”s communists
      
      The Partisans were Tito’s communists. The western allies decided to support them rather than the royalist Chetniks as the latter were more likely to side with the Germans against the Partisans. Both Chetniks and Partisans were mainly interested in fighting each other, but the Partisans were a bit more anti-German.
      
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      April 25, 2022 1:00pm
- amospicton
  
  Isn’t the solution that if MAori get preferential rights then all NZers claim to be Maori. That will force them to define the term – 1/2? 1/4? 1/8?
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m sure many folks in NZ will be able to whakapapa to a Great Great Great Grandmother, but I suspect when Co-Governance/Co-management fully arrives, Maori who whakapapa to multiple Great, Great, Great Grandparents are going to resent sharing their goodies with such very distant relatives.
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:01pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Truman I’m not sure what will happen in a 100 years if 80% of the population has Maori ancestry . Maybe the same type of grafters will be milking the system as the present day where a 100% of Maori have European ancestry.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:45am
  - namron
    
    As there are no full-blooded Maoris, all of them are
    therefore only “part-Maori” with many of them more European than Maori.
    I would suggest that most of the rest of us are part-something else also!
    
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    April 25, 2022 2:38pm
- cmm
  
  At this rate will there be anything worth sharing in 100 years?
  
  Most of the naive thinking is based on the notion that it’s a zero sum game: for Maori to win, everyone else must lose.
  
  It really is not so simple: it’s not a zero sum game. When Maori try to “win” this way, then everyone loses – including Maori. Correction: ESPECIALLY Maori.
  
  Too much killing the goose that lays the golden egg will make another failed ethno-state in the South Pacific. A replay of what South Africa is going through now.
  
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  April 25, 2022 1:37pm
curry4me

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/go-brandon-trump-supporters-troll-biden-arrives-seattle-college-video/

Let’s Go Brandon.

Brandon gets a warm welcome at Green River College near Seattle.
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April 25, 2022 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe Biden doesn’t even have supporters in deep blue Seattle. Let that sink in.
  Let’s go Brandon
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:00am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, Brandon, and Cackles are a tad low on support. That’s why the MSM are now interested in Hunter’s laptop. If Brandon can be impeached; maybe the mid-terms will be less of a disaster for the Dems.
    
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    April 25, 2022 8:24pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, all that wasted fuel for one sad and unpopular old man.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good for the GOP and Trump though. Makes Dems panic even more!
    
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    April 25, 2022 2:49pm
    - curry4me
      
      Yes, anything thats good for Trump, and the GOP is good for America.
      
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      April 25, 2022 8:25pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_-9h_P1w7A
She is right!

If a Brexiteer politician had insulted a country like this, all hell would have broken loose amongst the woke brigade! [3:44]
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April 25, 2022 9:19am
curry4me

The EUs DSA is a Threat to Free Epression.

It threatens to force the rise of a European intranet. [9:47]
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April 25, 2022 9:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon will go through a similar thing if National win. First thing is totally ignore the corrupt NZ media and get the recovery job done. Labour know that they are history. Time to take it up a notch or two Luxon. Labour are running scared, just as the Democrats are in the US.
https://rumble.com/v10z9q9-trump-explains-what-hed-do-differently-if-he-becomes-president-again.html?
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April 25, 2022 9:21am
- Philview
  
  I wouldn’t bet on Labour’s demise. The propaganda machine is kicking in. Chris Luxon is going to get a relentless pounding from now on while Jacinda has relentless news stories covering issues like her old exchange student mate.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour have damaged them selves so much that the vulgar scum media hit jobs will only embolden the the level headed voter
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A lot in the paid media will be getting the DCM
    
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    April 25, 2022 2:51pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, firstly, the conglomerate media channel will fail, with yet more billions wasted, then when Luxon kicks bony asses ass the media will be in for a well earned shake up, its time for Luxon to tell the likes of JACK LAME in an interview that you are running your job interview Bwhahahahahaha
      
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      April 25, 2022 3:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Might be why some are already putting out feelers for jobs elsewhere
      
      https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1517103858279133185
      
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      April 25, 2022 3:47pm
- coge
  
  There is no evidence Luxon would be any different.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Then start listen to what he is saying FFS
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He seems to be playing with the media atm. They are too dumb to realise – but they will soon.
      ‘You are Fake News’ who said that first?
      
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      April 25, 2022 2:56pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, i think the so called back tracks that are very minor as far as i can see, may well have been done on purpose. the man is not stupid, its as if he is taking the piss. the Labour day thing has been the biggest advert for Luxon, the rotten media have everyone now listening , but he will still be telling them (now they are listening) what the plan is going forward.
        
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        April 25, 2022 3:23pm
- leoj
  
  Your enthusiasm that te reo Luxon will deliver is admirable.
  Hope you are not disappointed, but you will be.
  Woke, weak and slow won’t cut it.
  
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  April 25, 2022 1:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Te Reo Luxon? he said he will be learning Te Reo in his private time , but wont be sharing it with others, he may well do as Bill English did when he went to the renata Chruch before Waitangi day and talk for 15 minutes in Maori, and show Te Reo Ardern how bloody useless she is after trying to hoodwink us about her wish to be a maori speaker after 5 years of trying
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well , i am damn sure i am not happy with this rotten corrupt (worse government in history) why would this very successful man not want to do as he says, he is used to delivering, WE HAVE TWO BLOODY CHOICES, the status quo is not for me thanks
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:34pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying Phil Goff attended the Dawn Parade at the Domain.
Then he heads to the Onehunga RSA to deliver a ‘keynote-speech’ apparently.
Can only imagine how some of the Old Soldiers must feel. Bet there’ll be a few sphincters pulled in.

https://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/story_12.htm
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April 25, 2022 9:28am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Can you please be honest and say you found last night’s DWTS utterly cringeworthy (and I only saw the last couple of minutes before Midway)
  
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  April 25, 2022 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiya Sooze! You must have gone to bed early?
    
    Read the comment I made last nite @9:27pm on yesterdays GD…..the one at the bottom of the page.
    
    Let me know if you disagree 😀
    
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    April 25, 2022 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, thank you for that account and we shall not forget. A terrible, terrible human being.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Still pushing that fable, Maggie?
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You get to bring out any of your family’s treasured War Medals this morning, milkey?
    
    Didn’t think so.
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:21pm
- G152
  
  He must get tired dodging all the spit
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hope he gets boooooed out of the place
    
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    April 25, 2022 2:58pm
Kiwi Dave

Elizabeth Rata has a terrific column on the decolonisation of NZ education at

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/04/elizabeth-rata-decolonisation-of.html
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April 25, 2022 9:32am
- Yvette
  
  Kiwi Dave, thank you for the link.
  
  Sample for others –
  
  Elizabeth Rata: The Decolonisation of Education in New Zealand
  Labels: decolonisation, Education, Jacinda Ardern’s separatist agenda, Maori sovereignty, Professor Elizabeth Rata
  
  Revolutionary moves to decolonise mainstream education are outlined in two Ministry of Education documents.
  
  ‘Te Hurihanganui A Blueprint for Transformative Systems Shift’ confidently asserts that ‘through decolonisation of the education system Māori potential will be realised’ while the Curriculum Refresh also prescribes a hearty dose of the same medicine.
  
  Decolonisation, according to Te Hurihanganui ‘means recognising white privilege, understanding racism, inequity faced by Māori and disrupting that status quo to strengthen equity’. There will be opportunities for an expansion of the decolonisation cadre as ‘Māori exercise authority and agency over their mātauranga, tikanga and taonga’.
  
  The Curriculum Refresh, meanwhile, proposes that ‘knowledge derived from Te Ao Māori [“Maori world view” = Maori religion?] will sit at the heart of each learning area, along with other knowledge-systems that reflect the cultural uniqueness of Aotearoa New Zealand.’
  
  Decolonisation is a key strategy of He Puapua’s ethno-nationalism agenda. […]
  
  … While decolonisation is underway in all the nation’s institutions, education is the key ideological institution.
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/04/elizabeth-rata-decolonisation-of.html
  
  My comment is to leave this as it stands
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:02am
  - Ehlana
    
    Fascinating and frightening at the same time. There needs to be a clearly articulated alternative vision to that the current government is promoting. It particularly needs to promote an alternative to the toxic idea that Maori are unfairly disadvantaged unless they are specifically advantaged over others.
    
    A cohesive society cannot be built or sustained on discrimination by descent (since, following the science, we know race to be a false human construct). Descent is only one of the many communities we are each born into within our society and which we will belong to over the course of our lives. We need a vision that allows each of us to engage with our varied communities as much or as little as we choose.
    
    We also need to be practical. We can’t afford endless specialised minority systems provided by the state; such systems will likely follow the majority way. But if so many other minorities can handle that, continually claiming that Maori can’t does them more harm than good.
    
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    April 25, 2022 5:03pm
- Swifty
  
  A magnificent piece from Elizabeth.
  
  And brave.
  
  I confidently predict that if these Maori radicals and their allies have their way and this ‘decolonisation’ of education goes ahead and Maori become immersed and saturated in ‘Maoriness’ – it is Maori themselves who will lose, in terms of life outcomes.
  
  History is replete with examples of two peoples coming together, one having a more widespread language, being more advanced scientifically and technologically-speaking and punching well above their weight on a per-capita basis in trade, commerce, education etc.
  
  Think of the Scots (my own people) and the English and, secondly, the Czechs and the Germans – both in and following the 17th Century.
  
  So-called leaders in the Scot and Czech communities were doing everything they could to hold back the tide of English and German influence in their respective societies and calling on their people to resist learning the English and German languages etc.
  
  All this achieved was the continued impoverishedness of their communities.
  
  Those Scots and Czechs who ignored these pleas and jumped into learning English and German respectively, attended universities, studied language, maths, science etc were instantly on a path of greater wealth accumulation, prosperity and better life outcomes than their fellows who refused to do so.
  
  I reckon ‘decolonisation’ is just the same thing but in reverse.
  
  Maori will become saturated in ‘Maori-wonderfulness’ but they will have missed out on a huge determinant of how well they will lead their lives – that of developing skills and behaviours that other people are prepared to pay for.
  
  That’s my view and I’m sticking to it.
  
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  April 25, 2022 11:45am
I remember when

Q&A: Jack Tame: Chris Luxton:
Apparently it was essential that Chris Luxon explained what part of Labour’s spending he would eliminate to reduce inflation.
This ignores the fact that National wouldn’t have been starting from this position if they were in government.
Also, the covid questions are best not ‘played with’ until it is over and the science becomes clearer.
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April 25, 2022 9:44am
- Niz
  
  I saw some small piece of the interview on TVNZ news last night. Tame kept going on about how people with good income don’t ‘need’ $18k extra income. He thought he was making a good point.
  Sigh.
  This seems to be a common refrain in NZ. This idea that somebody else can decide what we ‘need’, and take from us anything we don’t ‘need’ needs to be knocked on the head.
  Why on earth would anybody try and improve their quality of life if some socialist will just come and take their stuff because they don’t ‘need’ it.
  I wish Luxon had pointed out that Tame didn’t ‘need’ his nice jacket, or his cash in his wallet.
  I hope Luxon doesn’t actually agree with Tame that govt should take things we don’t need from us.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    People like Tame probably don’t need the extra, but we do Grrrrrrr
    
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    April 25, 2022 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The idea is to level the playing field.
    Take from those who work hard and give to those who won’t work – so we can all be equally miserable – except the elite controllers
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That has never worked before, look how much these fools have given to the bum feeders over the last 5 years, and poverty is the worst it has been in history
      
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      April 25, 2022 3:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They just did it wrong, it is different this time//
        
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        April 26, 2022 7:40am
  - Ehlana
    
    A 2018 study by Purdue University suggested an income of USD 60 – 75,000 is enough for emotional well-being and USD 95,000 for life satisfaction.
    
    At current exchange rates, that equates to NZD 91 – 114k and $144k. Adjust for CPI inflation from Q1 2018 to Q1 2022 and the figures become $103 – 129k and $163k. Our current median wage of $27/hr = $56k per year.
    
    So actually, Mr Tame, it would seem most New Zealanders do need that extra $18k.
    
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    April 25, 2022 5:15pm
- MCōs
  
  He personally wouldn’t have started from that position if National had been the government anyway.
  However.
  If he contends those who are the government overspent we’d like to know what he would have done differently that would have curtailed the spending and enabled tax cuts.
  The big three are healthcare, welfare (half of which I’d pensions) & education.
  Personally I believe National is looking at cuts to healthcare spending by introducing more user pays for non urgent surgery.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Where is there any evidence of dropping health funding , is that your Chubby fingers Robertson ?
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:29pm
- Opie
  
  What got me boiling about that interview from tame was he asked luxon for specific examples of wastage. As soon as he gave one, eg 1.8 billion on whatever, tame just shouted him down and said but that’s only 1 percent of government spending. It’s still wasted though.
  
  So in a rapid lefties mind it’s OK to waste money as long as you waste lots of it so each piece of wastage looks small on its on.
  
  And then they all piled on saying how tame had taken down luxon.
  
  He asked for examples, luxon gave them and then tame said its fine to waste 1.8 billion.
  
  They have no clue.
  
  If I’m wrong and the country actually wants a bunch of lying, money wasting racists with no world knowledge or experience running the country and votes them back in next year then it’s an easy decision for me.
  
  House will be ready for sale but I’m guessing it won’t be the only one…
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never bother watching the little shit – good for my general health and blood pressure
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:03pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I sincerely doubt the science will get any clearer on pretty much anything.
  
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  April 25, 2022 10:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What gets me with all these vulgar rotten media hacks is, every time either Luxon and Willis give examples, and there are many, these same vulgar lefty media hacks say but that’s chicken feed, what world are they on when millions and millions of waste is acceptable
  
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  April 25, 2022 1:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chicken feed? But they are getting a good portion of the chicken feed.
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:04pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      2.5 million to the mob, and Shepard said that was chicken feed , they also said the 51 million on the canned cycle bridge was chicken feed, they think the 1 billion a year that no longer mentioned for free tertiary education is chicken feed , the 3 billion for regional development on silly projects is chicken feed, the 29 billion on a slow tram to the airport, and on and on it goes, the 50 billion covid fund is on 50% spent on covid, what has the other 25 billion been wasted on? , right there is the waste the Nats are talking about
      
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      April 25, 2022 3:33pm
- namron
  
  Jack Tame mentioned the extra $20,000 Luxon would personally receive 8 times if the Nat’s taxation programme was introduced.
  His own political beliefs were evident in every question he asked Luxon.
  How do you think his questioning of jacinda would be?
  
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  April 25, 2022 2:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Twitter reconsidering:
https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-reconsiders-elon-musks-bid-after-confirming-financing-wsj-2022-4?
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April 25, 2022 9:52am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was sad to hear Bruce Russell passed last nite.
She said he was one of the few ZB talkback hosts worth listening to.
He despised this government and all it stands for. Never gave the time of day to any Bene’s calling in looking for a moan….and hated wokesters with a passion.
Reckoned his shows were always interesting and entertaining. He never spent time boring-the-sh*t out of listeners rambling on about his wife & kids or people’s illnesses. Bruce was a true conservative.
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April 25, 2022 10:06am
103PapPap

Found an interesting new web site – Daily Telegraph, NZ version.
dailytelegraph.co.nz

Should have appeal to readers of this blog.
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April 25, 2022 10:13am
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis retweets….

‘Oh to have been around then. How to turn $1600 into $8,000,000 😀

https://twitter.com/chamfy/status/1518175726939574272
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April 25, 2022 10:44am
rouppe

Has anyone heard of an organization called electionz.com?

I got a letter asking me to confirm, by scanning details to an email address, my eligibility to vote in upcoming wellington local body elections.

Since when was electoral roll stuff done by an outside organisation to the electoral commission?

The letter was signed by a chap calling himself an electoral officer, but the website above lists him as a business development manager.

Are we heading down the same voting road as the USA where shadowy third parties count our votes for us?
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April 25, 2022 12:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Been around for 22 years. Who funds them, and how come most have never heard of them?
  Perfect people to hijack postal voting. No sarc.
  
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  April 25, 2022 4:22pm
mikenmildagain

Electionz.com has the contract to run elections for some local authorities.
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April 25, 2022 1:08pm
- rouppe
  
  Their website looks like it was done by a student, and their out of office voice message still talks about Easter.
  
  Looked so amateurish I thought it was a scam
  
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  April 25, 2022 3:24pm
- rouppe
  
  I’ll also note I phoned the council, and the call centre had never heard of them.
  
  I then phoned the electoral commission and the very disinterested man who answered just asked if I’d called council.
  
  Pretty awful, I reckon
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:07am
Maggie Pie

There’s a lot of people posting on FB that we’ve all been pronouncing Jack Tame’s name incorrectly.

Apparently it’s ‘Tame’……as in “Tame” Iti.

Be good to see Chris Luxton get it right next time.
LOL!!
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April 25, 2022 1:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You have got to be kidding? And Lame would be stupid emotional say they are right
  
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  April 25, 2022 1:45pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  This county has bigger issues than the correct pronunciation of Jack Tam-a’s nam-a.
  
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  April 25, 2022 2:33pm
- rouppe
  
  He introduces himself as Tame, rhymes with Lame
  
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  April 25, 2022 3:25pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, thats why i put Lame there
    
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    April 25, 2022 3:34pm
Maggie Pie

WHOA!! Our cleaning lady has just tweeted…..

‘Ukraine has just bombed huge Military Base in Russia’

https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1518406080090492931
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April 25, 2022 2:12pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Great. WW3 just to keep everything swept under the rug in Ukraine.
  
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  April 25, 2022 2:27pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Just to massage Putin’s ego you mean.
    
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    April 25, 2022 4:07pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Your analysis of geopolitics is simply breathtaking.
      
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      April 25, 2022 4:59pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    WW III would see a huge lurch back to the rotten Ardern cause podium of bullshit will lie its pants off
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:38pm
Benedict Yu

The pink terror wailing about masks.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300570502/covid19-time-for-nz-to-strengthen-our-mask-game

I am a weekend event in Wellington with 16 people. Nobody is wearing a mask.
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April 25, 2022 2:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How much ‘koha’ did that 1.49 waffle cost?
  “The Phizer Vaccine enters your body and does it’s thing, and it is then destroyed, and does not alter your DNA”
  OK, how is it destroyed? Again, how is it destroyed? Am I missing something?
  Time the pink terror was investigated I reckon.
  
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  April 25, 2022 3:19pm
  - rouppe
    
    It’s destroyed because that’s how mRNA works. Once it has delivered and the cell manufactured the protein, the mRNA is broken down.
    
    I wish Siouxie Wiles was mRNA
    
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    April 25, 2022 4:30pm
- rouppe
  
  Exactly. Her take is that wearing one reduced risk.
  
  Doesn’t say it reduces risk from 0.1 to 0.05 or some such.
  
  I’ll take the risk
  
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  April 25, 2022 3:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A mask is like a hurricane woven wire fence to keep out mosquitos. Fucking control
    
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    April 25, 2022 4:25pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, a regular comment was ‘wear them if you want’. That is how it was in 2021 and worked fine.
  
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  April 25, 2022 3:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wear them if you want, while sleeping?
    Yep, they live amongst us
    
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    April 25, 2022 4:27pm
- greybeard
  
  She thinks that she is New Zealand’s equivalent of Alice Roberts.
  
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  April 25, 2022 8:04pm
Maggie Pie

I had no idea what a following Bruce Russell had on ZB. Ma was telling us he’d amassed over 100,000 calls in his time as a Talkback Host!

She used to really luv listening to him…. but never called up to give her opinion on anything. Bruce never suffered fools gladly she reckons. And made no secret of his contempt for that lefty wokester Tim Rocksbrah, or those other two morons on the Noon – 4 slot.

Ma’s concern now, is that ZB will take the opportunity to appoint yet another Labor suckhole to take his place 🙁
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April 25, 2022 4:05pm
Niz

Serious questions to follow. First tho…
– The filthy unvaxxed have been allowed to eat alongside those with vax passports for a while now. I think they’re even allowed on planes now.
– People have been allowed to gather in larger numbers without masks.

Has there been _any_ discernable change in hospitalisation and/or case numbers since the restrictions were eased?
If these restrictions made some sort of difference, shouldn’t there be some way to _know_ they’ve made a difference?
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April 25, 2022 4:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No evidence at all that there was a jump in infections/hospitalisations.
  
  Looks like numbers had been decreasing before
  April 4th when vaxx pass mandate ended.
  
  https://tinyurl.com/3jm6et62
  
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  April 25, 2022 6:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    People have given up testing , they know that most wont get very sick.
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:40pm
  - Niz
    
    Thx. I wonder if any serious academic effort will be put into showing just how useful (useless) these measures have been at reducing the spread of covid.
    
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    April 25, 2022 6:49pm
Maggie Pie

We’ve been sitting there watching 1Ewes and enjoying a wonderful Beaujolais while waiting for the duck to cook.
Can I just say…. that between Wendy Petrie and those Covid ads, all that Te Reo shit is really starting to grind us down 🙁

It’s Sky 85 from now on.
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April 25, 2022 6:49pm
Wired-one

National needs to release a simple diagram showing everyone exactly what they would get under their indexation of the tax brackets policy. So much talk of $2 a week for the poor and $18000 for Luxon, it’s complete bullshit. You want to win next year, start owning your policy and call out the lies about it. Indexing the tax brackets are a good thing for all.
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