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Tony Stuart

Stephen Penn died on Sunday night, driving his Superstock at the NZ Superstock Teams Champs in Palmerston North. It was a complete accident, with tragic consequences.

Stephen leaves behind his wife Vanessa and two daughters, who completely supported his racing ambitions, and were a party of the wider speedway family. Their lives have been turned upside down. If you could spare a few dollars, there’s a Givealittle page set up to help the family get through the next few months, and any donations would be gladly received:

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/support-for-the-penn-family?fbclid=IwAR2xGXlmHvsnzDnYJTEQwCoo5WpGGaCJNPbFybJc0Bup194Mm-pn3gpqae0

I was there on Sunday night, and saw the incident, which has left a lot of people profoundly affected. Kudos to Robertson Prestige Speedway, who have organised a night with Victim Support tonight.
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December 26, 2021 8:23am
krazykiwi

Elon Musk gets into the sanitation business by buying Twitter, the world’s largest sewer for $US44b or $US54.20 per share. Twitter’s board approved the offer a short while ago, proving that their constitution works to protect shareholder interests as designed, and that vague threats of “poison pilling” were just that.

If you thought the wailing from Shanghai apartment windows was haunting, try to imagine the standing-room-only safe places at TwitterHQ today. These fragile souls won’t go quietly in the face of industrial quantities of bleach, so expect fireworks. I’m ready.
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April 26, 2022 8:01am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  and best of all, a good few of the Hollywood elites, the arty farty crowd and the hard leftists are threatening to leave twitter, and move to Canada. Just like they did when Trump was elected. And they didn’t. And before Trump, when George Bush was elected. And they didn’t. I’m looking forward to that raving nutjob Cher’s response. As long as she doesn’t move here!
  Anyway, it is really is pretty to see. The meltdown is real.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:27am
  - bjools
    
    Unlike Trump,they have twitter in Canada.
    So that lends itself to showing the intellect of those people.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  At least NZ is not like Shanghai – Yet
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The next place to be ‘like Shanghai’ is likely to be Beijing. Lockdown threats, and panic food buying there.
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Shangahi where the Tesla cars are built ?
    Booming economy unlike New Zealand.
    
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    April 26, 2022 1:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not sure where they are built, some Shanghai I guess. Bit hard to build atm with 25M people stuck at home
      
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      April 26, 2022 2:23pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Best news in months. The freak out when he re establishes Trump will be worth watching.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s amazing really, you would swear that Musk was a leftie, but freedom of speech being closed down even up sets lefties big time
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:13am
    - PaulL
      
      He’s not really a leftie. More a libertarian. Which some on the right associate with lefties. I’d argue that someone on the right who gets upset when you want to let people do their own shit in their own way isn’t really right wing at all. But for some reason MY right wing got all polluted with these freaking right wing conservatives.
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:49am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He must be a greenie, surely
        
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        April 26, 2022 8:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Oh, good news. With a bit of luck the new owners will either let me tweet again or alternatively, delete all of my details as I’ve requested on at least 4 occasions. I’m in a permanent state of “suspension”. Effectively banned but like Hotel California, I checked in but can “never leave” apparently.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:38am
  - pdm
    
    Perhaps there is hope CM.
    
    After a roughly 6 months ban on Stuff I am allowed to comment again from about last week. However, I do note that out of about 5 attempts only one has actually been published and that was a short tribute to Bruce Russell.
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:44am
    - plc
      
      Why punish yourself?
      
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      April 26, 2022 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Now we just need someone to do the same with FB, i am sick of being banned for saying the government is rubbish, while the left can call you a pedo and you are told that does not meet the threshold for a community ban
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:34pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  “Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated,” Elon Musk said.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:52am
- PaulL
  
  Twitter itself is melting down. Apparently it’s the end of democracy when you let right wing voices be heard.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here is that melting down.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:26am
    - Jimmy Brown
      
      [Don’t post links without context. mod.]
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:28am
  - mawm
    
    I’m sure that a lot of sabotage at twitter is occurring at the moment. I hope Musk has the balls to hold their feet to the fire.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Like deleting 30,000 emails?? LOL
      
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      April 26, 2022 2:26pm
- mogg
  
  Reportedly Musk wants to eliminate bots. Does this mean a digital passport or some sort of ID card.
  Makes it easy for govt to identify people who have their own ideas, and are not in the team of five million, the ones who are killing granny, the river of filth etc.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:09am
- bono vilfredo
  
  Will be more than a few high profile and vip twitter subscribers sweating in their jocks right now with undoubtedly one of the first implementations will be the banning of bot followers & bogus accounts. What will Obama & Killary’s follower numbers collapse too?
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I had the same thought. It would be good to benchmark some high profile twitter account followers now … and then look again after the bot purge has been completed.
    
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    April 26, 2022 1:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If only Elon would spend some dough on the Wellington sewers
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:25pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Intellectual Property Day!
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April 26, 2022 8:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Thoughts and prayers you escape Intellectual Poverty soon Mike.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The intellectually impaired will love this
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:14am
- PaulL
  
  Intellectual property is a problem. No, I lie. Intellectual property is a wonderful thing. Government rules that have been twisted by corporates into over protection of intellectual property, and low quality government that allows low quality patents….leading to patent trolls. All this is bad for the world in general.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:51am
  - PaulL
    
    Look at this as an example: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/captcha-patent-all-american-nightmare
    
    And this: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2021/03/dr-seuss-as-a-policy-issue.html
    
    You can see the bump up in republishing of old books when they go out of copyright. There are many books that simply can’t be reprinted because nobody can work out who owns the copyright any more, and it’s not worth the effort.
    
    The very extended copyright rules we have really serve only a very very small number of people, and many of those people aren’t in favour of copyright anyway. Many big corporations, however, are.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:58am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think one of the US demands in the TPPA was to extend excessive copyright terms even further.
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:51am
      - PaulL
        
        Correct. They often do in many situations. That’s driven by California and Hollywood – the Mickey Mouse law (literally trying to avoid Mickey Mouse becoming public domain).
        
        There is also a strong push in the US to relook at intellectual property. I read a great (and very long) article analysing why intellectual property isn’t actually like physical property, because it’s a non-rivalrous good, and then going much more deeply into the contortions and hypocrisy required to believe our current arrangements make sense. Let me google that up to see if I can find it.
        
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        April 26, 2022 12:39pm
      - PaulL
        
        Ah, here. https://www.niskanencenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/LT_IPMisnomer-2-1.pdf
        
        Basic argument is that in physical property, property rights exist so as to MANAGE scarcity. Only one person can enjoy the benefits of physical property (only one person can eat a piece of cake, you eating it means I cannot).
        
        With intellectual property, the property rights exist so as to CREATE scarcity. If I write a song and sing it, then you can also sing it. Without intellectual property rights I have no way to stop you singing it.
        
        The argument is a lot more nuanced than that, and doesn’t suggest that we shouldn’t have intellectual property rights – rather that intellectual property rights are created for specific public purposes, and that the rules around them should be the minimum necessary to achieve that purpose.
        
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        April 26, 2022 12:44pm
      - Mike
        
        Thank you.
        I suspect intellectual property rights have fallen too far into the grasp of the lawyers for such radical reform to ever occur.
        
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        April 26, 2022 2:44pm
- [email protected]
  
  Without intellectual property rights many great products such as innovative software or hardware would not occur.
  
  Why spend the time and effort to develop someting/anything if someone else can just copy it without the development expense?
  
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  April 26, 2022 7:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes but
    
    When asked why he could see so far, Albert Einstein replied it was because he stood on the shoulders of giants.
    
    The motor of human progress is innovation on top of innovation – like compound interest, if you like.
    
    Somewhere, there’s a happy medium.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

An interoffice softball game was held every year between the
marketing and support staff of one company. The support staff
whipped the marketing department soundly. To show just “how”
the marketing department earns their keep, they posted this
memo on the bulletin board after the game:
“The Marketing Department is pleased to announce that for the
Softball Season, we came in second place, having lost
but one game all year. The Support Department, however, had
a rather dismal season, as they won only one game.”
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April 26, 2022 8:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The person responsible will be signed up on a hefty salary by Ardern’s comms department by the end of today. Genius.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Scripted question and answer composer for Jaspinda and the Podium of Struth
    
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    April 26, 2022 2:29pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What, and no one caught the Wu pox
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:16am
Benedict Yu

This “cartoonist” looks like a paid up member of the New Zealand Government propaganda unit. Any respectable cartoonist could ridicule the Prime Minister and other senior every day.

We have a media on New Zealand that has been bought by the Government.

☹️

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/94869389/sharon-murdoch-cartoons

China uses force and fear to control the media, including all forms of cartoons. Because they recognise that satirical cartoons work. They always have.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/27/media/china-cartoon-ban-ultraman-tiga-intl-hnk/index.html

This Government has just used money.

I would like to see legislation that prohibits state funding of media
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April 26, 2022 8:05am
- iMP
  
  I totally agree. Her cartoons have become vacuous pro Jacinda and anti-The Opposition. Cartoonists are meant to be an important cynical clever critique on power, aka David Low, Bromhead, Minhinnick. Murdoch is simply fluffy cheerleader Happy Hockey Sticks as a Labour BBF. It is unworthy of political cartooning.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:31am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://garricktremain.nz/cartoons
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:47am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      OMG! here is a Kiwi with a backbone! A rarity for sure 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:02am
  - Mike H S
    
    Add Garrick Tremain to your list of excellent cartoonists and also add NZH cartoonists to the category of government sycophants.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:03am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      He is a class act for sure. May be he didn’t get his share of the bribe?? I can’t believe that he criticises the Queen of NZ and calls her red witch!!!
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:04am
  - C-Town
    
    I’ve met her before. Her politics are actually to the left of Jacinda. She has sometimes done cartoons criticising Labour but only when labour aren’t being left enough.
    
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    April 26, 2022 12:05pm
- RoboRob
  
  It used to be that political cartoons were a clever / witty comment on the government of the day. Normally challenging those in power, regardless of political persuasion.
  
  All of the ones I have seen recently have been anti opposition. Luckily one can choose not to see them.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:57am
- coge
  
  Vacuous for sure. But Luxon deserves all the opprobrium coming his way. And there is much more to come. He failed to oppose when NZ required him to oppose.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:41am
  - Colville
    
    Na.
    He has kept his head down and got his feet under him ready for the year ahead.
    Its the year ahead when the election will be fought not in the past 6 months that 99% of punters will have forgotten.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:20am
    - coge
      
      You underestimate. NZ isn’t going to forget the past two years.
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    … [Deleted] this rotten media is doing black opps for rotten Labour. , they have been a total failure, Labour decided in cabinet alone to mandate you lot, Luxon said since December get rid of them, there are two choices, Cindy who introduced the mandates, or Luxon the new boy on the block, the crap we are seeing in the media is utterly disgusting, especially as they are backing the biggest failure this country has ever had foisted on us. and don’t forget that asshole Peters foisted it soon us because of hatred
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:43am
  - leoj
    
    Right on the money.
    The Nats may win by default next year but anyone who expects them to undo many of the disastrous policies (or the ones still to be enacted) is going to be disappointed.
    The party has gone almost as woke as Labour.
    Luxon is not the guy. Too weak, too slow and places more emphasis on learning te reo than anything else so far.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Utter rubbish again, they have bill boards up saying they will get rid of three waters, they won’t have anything to do with special Māori services, they are going to stop the wasted billions, how the hell is that the same or not changing anything? So you think a guy that is desperate to be PM says one thing, snd like Peters after the election simply changed his mind is just going to roll over WTF
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:22am
      - ISeeRed
        
        We need another economic revolution like 1984. (The year, not the book.) National doesn’t have the stomach for it. Or the balls.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:45am
    - coge
      
      Any party leader who failed to defend the NZ Bill of Rights, when they were removed, are now in an unrecoverable position. If they failed defend those rights for all New Zealanders, what exactly are they planning to deliver?
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:14pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Pull your head in, that bullshit has sailed and if anything the parties that did do the vulgar and turn up with those nutters went down , including ACT
        
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        April 26, 2022 8:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Many National voters will not vote for Luxon, but will vote against Jaspinda. Protest vote
      
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      April 26, 2022 2:34pm
      - coge
        
        Or they might just stay home. Let the dice fall as they might. There is absolutely no way I will be voting for Luxon.
        
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        April 26, 2022 4:16pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Thats intelligent then isint it?, hope they are hammered by the new taxes they will invent , Parker on about the rich , and then mumbling about GST hurting the poor should scare the shit out of everyone above min wage.
        
        I can see these mongrels’ taking GST off and taxing anyone over 50 or 60 grand to the hilt
        
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        April 26, 2022 8:40pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I have only heard people say they will vote Nats again because he is there , they say they now have hope, and that comes from a lot of Labour voters as well , what the fuck has Luxon done for you to hate him? , he vows to get rid of racial service, separatist funding, 3 waters, He Puapua, do something about the wasted billions get rid of the 12000 extra troughers in wellington, what do you want him to do FFS
        
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        April 26, 2022 8:45pm
  - mawm
    
    He’s keeping his powder dry for more important things than the wanton destruction of the economy, vaccine passes, apartheid, 3 waters, etc. Will he fight for our freedoms by attacking the international digital ID’s and e-money that the WEF want us to have? In fact will he be fighting for us to prevent the WEF take over of the Western democracies? He’ll certainly need dry powder for that.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He we not want anything to go with a cashless society anyway.
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:23am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Those who that think Luxon is biding his time and “keeping his powder dry” hold a belief that is similar in likelihood as those who think that Trump is still president and is executing people at Guantanomo Bay. If the result isn’t manipulated to ensure that Ardern stays in office to continue the reset, Luxon will win merely by default and be told that he cannot change anything substantive.
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:21pm
      - mawm
        
        I left out my // sarc because I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic.
        
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        April 26, 2022 5:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Polls out this week, Definitely Newshub, possibly One news as well, a reporter let it slip Labours internals are showing Nats ahead for the first time, and clearly the media vulgarity has ramped up, this utter crap about Luxon flip flopping when we have the biggest flip flopped PM we have ever had it’s just pathetic
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Sharon Murdoch has worked as a “pooper-scooper” at dog shows” and clearly she’s not done shoveling shit.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

RNZ informs us that Grant Robertson is “standing-in” for our part-time Prime Minister this week..

If she wanted school holidays off, our Dear PM should have gone school teaching.

Does she really think being PM is an on-off job?
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April 26, 2022 8:06am
- Blackbob
  
  Isn’t she spreading bumper sticker slogans in Singapore at the moment?
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No,
    She was in Auckland yesterday.
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Working on a statutory holiday, then?
      
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      April 26, 2022 8:28am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        She lives in Auckland. Not really sure I’d call that work.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Running around scraping “I did this” stickers off petrol pumps!
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:35am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The answer is yes Maggy. And has been so since she got the job. There is a reason she is not across the issues she should be. There is a reason she doesn’t have the firepower to respond to people like Mike Hosking. There is a reason she is the worst PM (by a long, long way) in the last 60 years.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:35am
  - mawm
    
    It’s her ideology and obeisance to Mahuta and Herr Schwab.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    60 years ? Worst in history bar none
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  It can be taxing going on holiday Maggie. Needs time to gather her thoughts before the next holiday to the States.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Doctor Jaspinda Ardern elect!
    
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    April 26, 2022 2:40pm
- Scott
  
  although I agree with the substance of your post, I’m a little bit torn.
  To be honest I’d like the prime minister to take a very long holiday. Because everything she does is no good and makes things worse. Abortion laws, clamping down on free speech, race relations, the economy, inflation, everything is worse than when she took office.
  
  She has the reverse midas touch. Everything she touches turns to crap. Everything.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:14am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As usual she is only doing 40 part weeks a year, where the hell was she yesterday, utterly disgusting to turn her back on Anzac Day yet again.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She was at Mt Albert with not a lot of other people. Looks staged to me.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-at-mt-albert-anzac-service/U3BKH57OUJBFDEM65JR3IS5JCA/?
    
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    April 26, 2022 2:44pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      ANZAC day fell in the school holidays this year no one was around MAGs other than prefects who were in town and who were yanked in on the day for the ceremony .
      
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      April 26, 2022 3:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She should have been at the war memorial in Wellington, she has her bloody lodgings paid for there, she has never put a full appearance in on Anzac day, apart from that sickening standing at the leader box with daddy
      
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      April 26, 2022 8:50pm
- Paulus
  
  Our Queen is taking the week off as she is tired after her useless photo inclusive jaunt.
  She achieved nothing of any consequence so she is sulking.
  
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  April 26, 2022 1:10pm
  - Batman
    
    It’s recess week.
    
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    April 26, 2022 1:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It was last week as well
      
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      April 26, 2022 8:48pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Its not like Neve is on school holidays either
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:48pm
Simon

MSM interview of Luxon on inflation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75TKBuuDwRI

Some on the left wanking themselves over MSM holding Luxon to account.

Terrible interviewer. A decent interviewer would find out the real causes of inflation and put these to Luxon. ( the interviewer is complicit with the Labour lie that the inflation is imported) Instead Luxon is blathering a about government spending without of course detailing where Labour got the money from to piss away. That is RBNZ printing $55 billion. Which National supported.

If you print $55 billion and inject this into the economy it will cause inflation. (like many said at the time) As opposed to just borrowing $55 billion from the economy and then recycling it.

Luxon knows the real cause of inflation. The interviewer probably knows as well. But its all a fucking game. So fucking superficial. Labour / National are the same party, enabled by hack corrupt MSM.

This interview strictly for the cattle as is Luxon.
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April 26, 2022 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Simon Jack Tame has been a Labour sycophant from the first day he turned up on radio and television in New Zealand.
  
  He is the reason I do not watch Q & A.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Shepard was asking the exact same crap to Willis on Newshub, the fact remains, it’s Labours mess not Nats
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They can say what the hell they like, it’s the rotten government that needs held to account on failures on ever issue. the home grown part of inflation was 6.0% the bullshittery has to stop
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The home grown part of inflation is 6.0%
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:51pm
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Had another look at the Luxon/Tame interview this morning from Q & A.
Luxon kept banging on about wasteful government spending but could not come up with any really significant examples. Tame had him tied up in knots.
Luxon so far is failing to come up with anything that will upset Labour at the polls offering only the obligatory promise to make things better for all plea.
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April 26, 2022 8:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  OMG. I say this without a hint of being sarcastic. With a week’s notice I will give him a list, and I will do it for free. And it will be a detailed list. Don’t they have researchers?
  
  Let’s start with a modest target – 10 percent. It has grown by about 70 percent under this government. He could do 10 percent without being labelled remotely ‘right wing’ or ‘unkind’.
  
  Dear National Party – there is no shortage of people out there who can help you on this. What a bloody worry.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Here is a perfect example – it took me 1 minute to find – Luxon could carry this in his back pocket at all times.
    
    Between 2011 and 2017, the number of “senior leaders” in the public service was static, hovering around 1,000 for those 6 years. These are all “second tier” senior managers. By 2021, that number had quickly ballooned to 1,325.
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:24am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      $970m per year under Labour on “climate change”
      $1.8bn on free university fees and kiwi saver subsidies
      $1.2bn per year on corporate welfare, Provincial Growth Fund, Callaghan Innovation, the Cultural Sector Regeneration Fund.
      
      Theres a lot more. ACT have done all the work.
      
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      April 26, 2022 8:38am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        National is not ACT, so by and large will not follow ACT’s prescription.
        
        ACT will obviously get some things but they will not be the major determinant of the shape of the National/ACT government. If they want that they have to be bigger that National.
        
        As to what National will do?
        
        A sinking lid on core public service numbers, which will save hundreds go millions per year. Tightening up welfare with much more checking up those in receipt of unemployment benefit. The result. Unemployment numbers will largely be the same as those on the unemployment benefit. No tram to the airport. No provincial growth fund, but Callaghan will stay and might even be increased. No doubt many other things.
        
        I would say about $2 to 3 billion saved each year, growing to $5 or 6 billion within 4 years or so.
        
        Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP will progressively go down from the current 35% of GDP to closer to 30%. That will take about six years.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:04am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Reducing Government expenditure by 5 percentage points of GDP would mean reducing expenditure by $17.5 billion annually. That cannot be achieved by the measures you describe.
        
        Indeed what you are describing is utterly uninspiring, and I am not applying an “ACT lens” to that judgement. What is National going to do about resource management, housing, and the myriad of regulatory burdens on farming? Do they have a stated and rational climate change policy?
        
        Some Government departments have ballooned in size. A “sinking lid” on public service numbers will not fix that. These public servants have been employed to implement the most crazy policies. National needs to take a knife to those policies.
        
        I am not saying National needs to be like ACT. I understand the reasons. But they need an exciting prescription to make New Zealand prosperous and fair. That will need ambition. So sorry, if a ‘sinking lid’ on public service numbers and no tram to the airport is all they have… well New Zealand is doomed.
        
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        April 26, 2022 1:43pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Here is an example of policy madness that National should speak out about.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300573257/government-funds-5-million-for-eco-boiler-at-capsicum-farm
        
        The Government funding energy switching at a private company. This is why we have an emissions trading scheme. If energy switching at a capsicum plant was the cheapest way to reduce emissions it would happen.
        
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        April 26, 2022 1:50pm
    - pdm
      
      Wayne – who/what is Callaghan?
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:18am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Callaghan innovation, pretty sure they helped set up the rocket lab, it’s tax payer funded
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Callaghan Innovation…
        The R&D arm of Government
        https://www.callaghaninnovation.govt.nz/grants
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:42am
      - cmm
        
        They are not really the R&D arm of the government any more. They don’t do any actual R&D themselves.
        
        Instead they now manage a trough that people go feed on for innovation funding. While they do talk up many of the successes, they fund a lot of ridiculous ventures too.
        
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        April 26, 2022 1:29pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He has mentioned the bureaucratic river of filth several times, he does not have to tow the media parties line, what happened to explaining is losing?
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They do not need to keep going over the same thing, there has been 10s of billions wasted, and the level headed voter knows it
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:33am
- PaulL
  
  Cynical, I know. But he doesn’t need to name places, because our media and most of our voters can’t deal with detail anyway. So the damage of saying “reduce wasteful spending” without naming it is much less than the damage of actually naming something that people can then argue about.
  
  It sucks because I’d rather have an adult debate about where the 68% increase in govt spending went and why it’s achieving nothing. But in another sense, it’s the other side of the coin of media failing to put any pressure on Ardern for the last 5 years. It’s wise for Luxon to understand that’s how the game is played now, and leverage those new rules.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:23am
- rockape
  
  With 5 out of the last 7 polls showing National ahead Labour will be upset by the polls and it’s only going to get worse as inflation bites, savings are eroded and more businesses go to the wall.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    Hope the poll trend continues rocky – best the businesses stay open.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    one of the news paper luvvies let it flip that Labours internals show for the first time Nats lead Labour , expect the Newshub poll for the first time yo show the same, and a big closing of the PM numbers
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:41am
  - coge
    
    That may be. But National, under Luxon, will be unable to secure a majority.
    
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    April 26, 2022 12:23pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The main thing is that the rotten dictator Ardern will never be able to secure a majority.
      Most polls are now showing Nats and Act within a hairs breadth of governing, and the more the inflation goes up the better, petrol up with a bang over the weekend and more tomorrow, cant wait to see Robertson squirming as the next 2 quarters delete the 2 quarters in 2021 with 1/2 % disappear and replaced by 3% each
      
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      April 26, 2022 8:59pm
- maggiemay
  
  Have you heard of the old saying ‘Look after the pennies and the pounds take care of themselves”?
  Similar to line by line review I suggest and sage advice.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is not being dictated too, he has already given several examples of wasted downing, the 50 mill that was wasted on cycle bridge, 100 mill on the slow train to Auckland, 29 billion on the slow train to the airport, there are billions, out of the 50 billion COVID fund, only 50% was spent on COVID, the question should be where has the other 50% gone, because it’s been wasted
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

looks like someone in RNZ might fail the new NCEA literacy qualification

A trial test of tougher new NCEA standards shows some teens will fail because they don’t know how many minutes there are in an hour and don’t use capital letters and full stops

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018839439/some-teens-don-t-know-how-many-minutes-in-an-hour
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April 26, 2022 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Also, probably does not know the difference between a comma and a coma
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:20am
  - iMP
    
    But they understand “commie.”
    
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    April 26, 2022 8:34am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And fail they should. Dumb kids shouldn’t pass because of the “feelz”.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Possibly falls within Muphry’s Law.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    Unlike you mikey Murphy was an optimist.
    
    He knew that if anything could go wrong, it would.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I should have linked to Muphry’s Law, as distinct from Murphy’s law:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:47am
      - Cassandra
        
        Matthew 7:6, mike.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:55am
- MCōs
  
  When I worked in Bangkok part of my job involved exchanging emails with steel fabricator project managers in the US.
  Some of those guys could hardly string a sentence together. Punctuation? Forget it, but they knew their steel?
  However. Poor record keeping hands the initiative to those who are meticulous.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:34am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I have sympathy with that. There are extremely clever people out there, who have a limited grasp of the finer points of the English language. The issue comes, as it surely would with project managers, when for eg: the comma or sentence break is in the wrong place and makes the sentence interpretable into something it is not. The flow on effect of a misinterpretation can have profound, and negative effects.
    I have seen grammatical inaccuracy in contract cause 100’s of thousands of dollars of losses to one of the parties more than once.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:34am
    - zulumonster
      
      Grammar errors can be fatal:
      eg. “Let’s eat, Grandma” vs “Let’s eat Grandma”
      
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      April 26, 2022 4:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Susie Fergusson for one struggles with translating digital to analogue time. What time is 7.38am, Susie?
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:39pm
slightlyrighty

I see that the Wellington City Council, faced with a rise of Open Gang warfare with guns in the central city (only a few 100 meters from their office) has proposed a solution of having the gang leaders over for a cuppa and a chin wag to see how we can stop this.

I bet the Gangs are pissing themselves laughing over this.

This experiment from MSD to congregate high needs social housing tenants in the middle of the city needs to be replaced with something purpose built. I’m sure the Gangs appreciate the reduction in overheads caused by having their customers in one place.
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April 26, 2022 8:13am
- Swifty
  
  Our so-called leaders at both city and national level haven’t got one single clue about how to solve that crime problem.
  
  They say they do, of course, but we all know they don’t.
  
  And seeing one of them talking about eliminating poverty as a solution absolutely and totally confirms to me that, at least that person, is totally unfit for the position they hold.
  
  The call for ‘more funding, more funding’ is a clincher too.
  
  I’m beginning to look at these people with contempt now when not that long ago I just thought them misguided.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:28am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Eliminating Poverty? Bollocks. The Crims at the top are many things, but poor is not one of them.
    
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    April 26, 2022 2:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  What gang warfare? I hear nothing of it in the media.
  
  Over the weekend there was a ‘house shot at multiple times’ that contained people known to the police, who they have visited many times. Surely that’s just an argument between neighbours right?
  
  If the media or police knew more details, such as the race or affiliation of the people involved they would tell us right?
  
  I have sympathy for the house involved, the attacks on houses appear to on the rise.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I do hope they invite Marama Davidson (Assoc. Minister homelessness; Minister Family /sexual violence) to the meeting.
  
  She was adamant that Nicola Willis was just being a privileged racist when Nicola pointed out that Central Wellington was dangerous.
  
  “There’s still rampant crime right through the area, particularly down Dixon St, Manners St, and into Courtenay Place and Cuba St,” he said.
  
  Wellington City councillor Diane Calvert said the promise had failed and people were avoiding the area.
  
  The proliferation of emergency housing in the area was part of the issue and the Pōneke Promise was just putting a plaster on the problem, she said.
  
  “People currently don’t feel safe to walk, shop and visit, let alone cycle.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/128447172/broken-promise-wellington-central-city-safety-strategy-not-working
  
  Then she might inform the local MP – Deputy PM Grant Robertson – of the issue that he seems to know nothing about.
  Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson, the MP for Wellington Central, said he had no personal concerns about the safety of central city streets.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124553505/mp-nicola-willis-says-she-doesnt-feel-safe-walking-through-central-wellington
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:19am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Chuckle
    
    Stupid Leftist ideas and policies implemented by stupid Leftist politicians and bureaucrats voted in by stupid Leftist voters.
    
    In that article I see one councillor (young, female, tats, cool, hip) saying that the Poneke Plan needs more resources.
    
    Of course. That’s another aspect of Leftist policies and plans. They fail because they aren’t funded enough.
    
    Vote harder, morons.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Robertson was the one that said Willis was a scaremonger on the tiles in the lobby at parliament, rotten filthy government
    
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    April 26, 2022 12:16pm
- rouppe
  
  Actually they just need to set expectations.
  
  Every day we see gang members awash with cash. They don’t need ours. So:
  
  No gang members in social housing. Residents or visitors. If gang members are ever seen at a social housing property, the tenants are evicted and are ineligible for social housing. After all, they have plenty of mates, right?
  
  No anti social behaviour at a social housing property. This includes noise after 10pm and before 9am. If a party spills out onto the street, or threats are made to neighbours or any of the crap that currently happens, the tenants are evicted and not eligible for social housing for at least 1 year, then put at the bottom of the list.
  
  If tenants are arrested for a disorder crime or worse (a la the Dixon St chaos) they are evicted, then put at the bottom of the list.
  
  Expectations on behaviours, that’s what’s needed
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:05am
  - Swifty
    
    Excellent.
    
    Expectations or rules without consequences become merely guidelines.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:50am
Paulus

As I don’t and never used Twitter or Facebook I could not care less what is done to them or who owns them.
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April 26, 2022 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The main thing Elon Musk wants is the preservation of free speech – stopping the cancel culture. Think 1930s Germany.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:23am
  - RoboRob
    
    I think there is much more to it than that. Elon is a smart business man. I think he looks at the (poorly managed) twitter and sees what it could become if run properly. He could make a lot of money out of twitter.
    
    The media focus on the ‘rich man controls speech’ narrative is laughable as they ignore all the other MSM / social media outlets that are also controlled by a small number of individuals.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:07am
  - PaulL
    
    I suspect it’ll be harder than he thinks. And that many Twitter employees will resign.
    
    Conversely, requiring that the moderators be sort of balanced, and checking that their algorithms are sort of balanced, could make some sensible head way.
    
    And if it stops journalists from just interviewing twitter to get stories (because they’re now all evil right wing stories), then I got my $44B of value already.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      “many Twitter employees will resign.”
      
      You say that as if it were a bad thing?
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:20am
      - PaulL
        
        Depends. Institutional knowledge is a thing, and twitter probably needs constant maintenance to keep running.
        
        I don’t really use twitter, and I’m somewhat sympathetic to the idea that most people use twitter for things that the MSM and others don’t care about at all – sharing cat photos or chatting to their friends. A small group of people use it for arguing about politics and getting all frothy, and you’d think that was all that ever happened on twitter.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:07am
    - RoboRob
      
      My money is on ‘few’ employees resigning. Most of those are likely to be board / management who know they are gone burger anyway.
      
      Remember all the famous people who were going to leave the US if Trump won over hillary. Don’t think a single one of them left 🙂
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:42pm
- Colville
  
  That may not be the most childish comment I will read here today but I bet its in the top three.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:39am
Matt Long

Keith Woodford on the problems the Governments Pine tree subsidies have caused https://keithwoodford.wordpress.com/2022/04/24/are-pine-trees-the-problem-or-the-solution/#more-2624
Of special interest is this; “In contrast, Minister Shaw is concerned that if permanent pine forests are allowed, then too much carbon will be stored in this way and urban people will no longer be forced to modify their carbon emitting behaviours. There are some huge ironies there.”
Is Shaw even vaguely interests in Climate Change,? His response to Soil Carbon Sequestration would say otherwise. The real Agenda is wreacking havoc on the middle classes and creating a Brave New World.
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April 26, 2022 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If they overdo it, we will run out of Carbon//
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    I think they should stop diamond mining and if they don’t then there should be a huge climate duty put on sparklers …….
    
    ……..that’d make the shrill upper middle class girly school strikers think about their footprints.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think Woodford sums up the situation very well
  
  I often say in relation to complex environmental issues, that if people think there are simple solutions, then that is because they don’t understand the problem.
  
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  April 26, 2022 8:45am
- Ehlana
  
  What is Minister Shaw’s carbon footprint?
  
  No doubt it is publicly available and audited. It’s just that Google can’t seem to find it.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:10am
  - Matt Long
    
    He’s a one percenter, but because he can virtue signal it cancels out.
    
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    April 26, 2022 12:06pm
Its only I

So how long should it take to unpack stuff and arrange his new office before he starts work?
Luxon is becoming the Lux that sux.
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April 26, 2022 8:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Musk firing everyone at Twitter:
https://rumble.com/v12dcs8-live-look-at-elon-musk-firing-everyone-at-twitter.html?
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April 26, 2022 8:52am
- curry4me
  
  I just watched that Rumble item three times. I’ll post it on my FB page and elsewhere. Avoid the beach for the next few days, due to a likely tsunami of leftist tears.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    FB might go septic – but that is where I got it from
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  Of course he wouldn’t retain the poisoned ones.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good, I see they are saying that Biden now thinks social media had to much power, but oh it was fine when the right were being silenced, same with FB here, the right get blocked for pointing out PMs failings, yet on the same article you can be called a child sex abuser by the rotten left
  
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  April 26, 2022 12:21pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-call-macron-goes-unanswered-election-night

Oh Dear – he even took the Tyrant’s call but not Sleepy Joe.
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April 26, 2022 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She sided up with the role left as soon as she could, Macrom, the Spanish guy, Merkel who is now gone, snd don’t forget little potato head from Canada
  
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  April 26, 2022 12:23pm
Inandout

On the same day as Musk buys Twitter.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-wilson-why-electric-vehicles-will-not-save-the-planet/DRLWTFUVLXL6TEUW7JI7N2FZEA/
I could add, government funding will not save our MSM.
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April 26, 2022 8:53am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Electric vehices only ever move the costs around…someone however always makes a buck as the money moves…..
  
  https://9gag.com/gag/a61pXOL
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:16am
- PaulL
  
  Simon loves public transport. He doesn’t understand that people who have real jobs that involve you being places at specific times don’t find public transport as convenient as he does.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:09am
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-paul-celebrates-end-to-mask-mandate-as-he-arrives-for-first-flight-since-ruling-it-is-a-happy-day

Wouldn’t it be grand to have politicians like Paul who call out the political science of Kungflu.
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April 26, 2022 8:57am
curry4me

Twitter Sold to Elon Musk. Minor Leftist Meltdown.

Reports are that Twitter is indeed being sold to Elon Musk, thus ushering in the beginning of the end of the horrific nightmare of woke cancel culture in social media! In this video, we’re going take a look at the deal that appears to be finalized, we’re going to see how leftists have gone utterly hysterical over it all, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal precisely why this represents nothing less than the beginning of the final and definitive end to wokeism once and for all.
[ 10:14. I guess I can start spelling Twitter without the -. All those on the right should spend the rest of the day laughing their tits off. Anyone who lives near the sea should move 400 m inland to avoid a tidal wave of liberal tears. Elon Musk should make Trump COO for a few months.]
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April 26, 2022 9:00am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMUtlOLyoi0
Beijing Prepares to Decouple. In the Wake of Multiple Concerns, CNOOC exiting from US, Canada and UK.

Less than 10 years after entering the Canadian, U.S., and U.K. markets, CNOOC is now preparing to withdraw completely. While exiting some Western markets, CNOOC has planned to list on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. This shows that Beijing does fear secondary sanctions from countries like the US. Nonetheless, it’s also possible that the pro-Russian faction within the divided Communist Party has had to concede in order to appease the internal opposition. It appears the U.S. government has realized that under the current international environment, as well as the internal environment in China, if the U.S. and China really decouple financially, it will be the CCP that can’t afford it, not the U.S. [14:38]
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April 26, 2022 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if National and Act are studying how Labour is moulding the Co-Governance/Co-Management issue.

1. They are keeping Jacinda Ardern out of the talking spots
2. They are letting the MSM run soft interviews of Labour spokespeople
3. They are bringing up the Race-card if anyone produces an opposing view
4. They use emotive red-herrings against their critics…
“i.e. so why is Nat/Act supporting the disparities in Maori health/education

Nat/Acts need to keep their eye on the ball over this issue….and would do well to study the interviews that ran on RNZ this morning.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018839434/rotorua-maori-seats-legislation-has-serious-issues-robertson

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018839448/trouble-with-rotorua-electoral-rules-bill
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April 26, 2022 9:06am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks Maggy, yes, it occurred to me yesterday that Ardern has been conspicuous in her absence on the co-governance issue.
  
  Missing in action.
  
  In one of the greatest constitutional changes for a generation, if not ever, in New Zealand and being proposed and championed by members of her own caucus! Her own Ministers!
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that Ardern is taking the week off – she is tired.
    
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    April 26, 2022 1:16pm
- cas
  
  Yes Maggy I have been thinking she is letting Wily front for it and when the polls etc say that these are not popular policies, she can say well the Govt hasn’t committed to this or something waffly. Chuck Wily under the bus on the way.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:55am
- DimChappie
  
  It is good that co-governance is getting some media exposure. A majority of voters will not be reassured. They will see it as the power grab it is.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:59am
Maggie Pie

Remember the tv fashion series…. ‘QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY’?
It was sooo embarrassing, we could never bring ourselves to watch it!

>>RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Would it be acceptable in today’s world for a couple of ‘Straight-Guys’ to partner up with each other in DWTS??

SHEESH.
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April 26, 2022 9:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  I think they missed the boat Mags – should have been a good looking lesbian couple. Most males I know would have watched it then.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Twitter sold, let the meltdowns begin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1IUj-9GeWg
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April 26, 2022 9:24am
Maggie Pie

It’s incredible the number of Twitter users in the US this morning, tweeting that they’re moving to Canada.
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April 26, 2022 9:34am
- Nickc2
  
  So long as they’re Democrats, who cares?
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the silly thing is …most of them would be Tesla drivers.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  UNBELIEVABLE!!
  
  Democrat Senator Elizabeth Warren thinks….
  
  “Free Speech is dangerous for democracy”
  
  https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1518702084048179200
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:46am
  - MCōs
    
    Shock Horror
    
    Except that’s not what Warren said.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:53am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      C’mon Cossie…..Wakey Wakey, hand off snakey 😀
      
      Where did I say that’s what she said??
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True – you only claimed to know what she thinks.
        
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        April 26, 2022 10:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    Her and Cindy have a lot in common.
    
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    April 26, 2022 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lefties frothing at the mouth in the comments
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:13am
- kevn
  
  The same sheep that were going to leave USA when Trump won and didn’t lol
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:46am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means”
Elon Musk.
It was a tweet, but posted on FB as an image
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April 26, 2022 9:44am
- MCōs
  
  Then why does he block people accessing his own Twitter account?
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:55am
  - PaulL
    
    Free speech doesn’t mean you have to put up with abuse. All he’s really saying is that if your algorithm and your (underpaid, third world) moderators consistently silence one side of the political debate, that perhaps you’re not just moderating abuse and incorrect information.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Send Musk a Tweet and ask him.
    I do not use this platform.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:54am
  - mawm
    
    It’s because he, like anyone else, is free to make the choice to do so. It’s a strange concept that.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That quote was just on AlJazeera at 11.06. Musk has many people by the short and curly now. Even AJ say Musk is unpredictable and they don’t know what he will do next.
  Don’t forget this all happened because the Twitter Board was forced to support the shareholders or get their arses sued big time.
  Watching the left implode is fun.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:11am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, Trump was also unpredictable which was why there was relative peace during his tenure. I found in business the most difficult people to do deals with were the unpredictable types.
    
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    April 26, 2022 1:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/leftists-worried-elon-musk-will-turn-twitter-into-a-place-where-terrible-people-post-terrible-opinions-and-fight-with-each-other-all-the-time
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April 26, 2022 9:51am
Benedict Yu

It is becoming like a test 🙁 Got an email this morning from a public servant.

Tēnā koa Benedict, Rātū harikoa. 🙂 whakautua tēnei pātai 🙂 …..

I googled it – it was (I think) “Hi Benedict. Happy Tuesday. Can you answer a question for me?”

🙁 It is actually making me anxious.
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April 26, 2022 9:54am
- MCōs
  
  These people are pulling your leg.
  
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  April 26, 2022 9:57am
- graham
  
  That’s just getting silly. Dropping in Maori greetings or sign offs, individual words where you can infer the meaning from the context or they have the English translation provided is one thing. But sending an email which quite literally fails in the primary purpose – ie to communicate – is quite ridiculous.
  
  And sadly, in the current environment, if you reply trying to point that out you will probably be roundly criticised for lack of cultural sensitivity. 🙁
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:16am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The very fact you needed to google the meassage means that the communication is missed.
  This is a great summary of how communication should work.
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/04/dennis-gates-plain-language-or-manglish.html
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:19am
- [email protected]
  
  Answer in your native tongue.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:21am
- Matt Long
  
  I think rather than looking up the meaning it would be better to respond; I am unable to comprehend your email, I speak English, Mandarin, (Whatever other languages you speak.) please show cultural sensitivity in your communication in future by using language that will be comprehensible to the receiver.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:21am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I would hope that you would have replied along the lines.
    Congratulations at being bilingual
    
    My pronouns are (he/him) whatever.
    My language is English.
    I request that all communications be in the NZ official language English as I do not understand the other two official languages.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:25am
    - PaulL
      
      “My pronouns are lord/master, please use them in future”
      
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      April 26, 2022 10:48am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        As a retired Ship’s Captain I would like “Master under God”
        
        That is how Masters are referred to in the Lloyds Insurance Policy.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:51am
    - Ehlana
      
      As I recall, only NZ Sign Language and Maori have been designated “official languages” by law. There is ongoing debate about why English doesn’t need the legal designation.
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:22am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Consider if English was NOT an official language then Hansard and Supreme court decisions would need to be in Maori !!(obviously couldnt be in sign language)
        
        So by common usage and history, English is an official language. The other two were added by statute.
        
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        April 26, 2022 2:27pm
    - alloytoo
      
      This is the part I don’t under stand.
      
      everyone is putting “he/him” or “She/Her”, but nobody is ever directly addressed like that.
      
      They are either addressed by an honorific “Mr/Mrs/Miss/ etc), by their name, or by “Sir, Ma’am (sometimes Miss)”.
      
      Simply appending one’s honorific should in fact convey all the information you need to convey, and bonus: You are actually addressed directly in that way, talked to rather than talked about.
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:22am
      - PaulL
        
        In Canada, refusing to use someone’s preferred pronouns is illegal. Refer Jordan Peterson, it’s what made him famous.
        
        You can’t use someone’s preferred pronouns if you don’t know what they are. Hence starting to put them on your communications.
        
        Interestingly, for me, Jordan never actually refused to use anyone’s preferred pronouns in a situation where he knew them. He just objected to being compelled to do it.
        
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        April 26, 2022 11:44am
      - Ehlana
        
        I think the idea is to tell you how to talk about them to other people. Though why on earth they should concern themselves with that, I do not know.
        
        As you say, if you know their honorific, the rest is not necessary. Maybe we all just need to start being more formal in our correspondence.
        
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        April 26, 2022 12:29pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        I dont bother with honorifics any more.
        Avoids any confusion.
        Any if I receive correspondence such as that Benedict mentions I am going to respond in kind. Gaelic is a language that springs to mind due to my diverse cultural heritage.
        
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        April 26, 2022 1:44pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    As rational as that is, we are not living in rational times. A cancel mob with pitchforks and job loss would be the inevitable public service response.
    
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    April 26, 2022 10:44am
    - Swifty
      
      Don’t forget the flaming torches UN.
      
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      April 26, 2022 11:21am
- artemisia
  
  I had a similar response this morning, OK not quite so OTT. Suggest forward these ‘communications’ to Simeon Brown – shadow spox for the Public Service.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:42am
- pdm
  
  BY surely a better reply would have neen:
  
  No comprehende – with an inflection above the last e – which my skills do not extend to.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:43am
- cmm
  
  They quite likely used Google to translate from English, so all that matters is that Google understands Google.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:01am
  - Ehlana
    
    So we can just write a reply in our native languages, get Google to translate it into Maori, then convert a couple of the nouns back to English?
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:23am
    - cmm
      
      Naah, I think the only way to beat this crap is to out-woke it.
      
      When someone blathers away in an email in Maori it is betyter to tell them that you find it highly offensive that they are using colonised Maori language and not real Maori language.
      
      There is no written form of Maori except as inflicted on Maori by the colonial enslavement.
      
      Thus, I prefer to use the more pure form of Maori in emails:
      
      ” “
      
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      April 26, 2022 1:38pm
- rouppe
  
  Simply reply:
  
  “Thank you for your email. Could you please resend it in a form that is culturally appropriate for me.
  
  Thank you”
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you reply in the language of a distant ancestor?
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:55am
- C-Town
  
  Thank you for your email.
  
  Unfortunately I am one of the 98% of New Zealanders who cannot speak Te Red fluently.
  
  Can you please translate everything after ‘Tena koa’?
  
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  April 26, 2022 12:39pm
kowtow

Lots of talk about inflation , the media and gurnermunt.

I read this story in the hope of learning something .

I did . Robertson and govt money spraying not mentioned once.

Looks like it’s down to “cheeky” businesses .

No shit.

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/inflation-what-it-and-what-causing-it
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April 26, 2022 10:19am
- Swifty
  
  What a total waste of time that piece was.
  
  Feeble.
  
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  April 26, 2022 10:58am
Maggie Pie

WOW! Defense Minister Peter Dutton is saying…. “Australia needs to prepare for WAR”!
He is very concerned about the Chinese establishing a base in the Solomon Islands, and the looming threat that it poses to Australia.

https://mol.im/a/10749427

My partner was wondering if Peeni Henare has driven thru Howick lately?
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April 26, 2022 10:44am
- cjn
  
  Yes, the Chinese moving into the Solomons is apparently a “redline” affecting the USA and NZ as well as Australia according to Morrison and the US spokesman. Somewhat similar to Putin’s attitude to the EU and NATO militarising Ukraine you could say. Although to be accurate the Solomons is far away in the briny unlike Ukraine which is contiguous to Russia. Once we’ve dealt with Russia and impoverished all Russians we’ll move on to deal with China presumably.
  
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  April 26, 2022 12:28pm
  - MCōs
    
    Once the elections are dealt with more likely . . .
    
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    April 26, 2022 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wonder what Twitter HQ is like now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944b5zuaoFo
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April 26, 2022 10:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lots of comments on FB and other places about why the left did not want Elon Musk to buy Twitter. Seems the truth about the 2020 Election will come out without being deleted. Also the main problem is the left will not be able to do the same thing (ballot drops in the middle of the night etc) in 2022 and 2024.
Trump will be planning all sorts of traps (3D Chess)
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April 26, 2022 11:06am
- PaulL
  
  Sorry, I’m very skeptical about Trump playing 3D chess. More like random chucking shit at the wall and sometimes something sticks.
  
  I don’t think Musk is in the camp of “the election was stolen”, nor do I think he’ll stop the tagging of misinformation. It’ll just be more even handed tagging of misinformation, and the links won’t always be to WaPo or NYT or CNN. They might be a bit more even handed.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chucking things at the wall is Hillary – empty vodka bottles.
    
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    April 26, 2022 3:35pm
- RichardX
  
  Trump could also have published whatever he wanted on Truth Social but I guess we’ll just ignore that failure.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Does not get to his fav audience. They get so mad when he trolls them
    
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    April 26, 2022 3:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Trailer for “2000 Mules” Documentary on the 2020 election steal (millions of illegal mail in ballots inserted by democratic operatives). Coming out in 2 weeks. Irrefutable evidence from non-aligned publically accessible sources (vast amounts of govt surveillance video and commercially available cell phone tracking data), as well as testimony from some mules. I expect it will swing the opinion of anyone with an open mind on the issue, and hopefully force judicial action. And now, hopefully, at least one primary news platform (twitter) won’t be censoring it.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZK1VQ8PuB4
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:45am
Jack5

Christchurch Kiwiblog followers …

A public meeting is being held in Avonhead tonight with those invited including Gerry Brownlee and Sarah Pallett, who took Gerry’s electorate seat from him, and Councillor Sam MacDonald.

On:

– the new housing density rules that National agreed to with Labour.

– Three Waters and city water.

The meeting, called by the Avonhead Community Group, is at St Marks Church, Withells Road, at 7pm.
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April 26, 2022 11:37am
- marcw
  
  Has Sarah Pallett reconsidered? Last week she informed the organisers that she would not be attending … because reasons. (Apparently Cabinet haven’t made decisions was her excuse.)
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:53am
  - Jack5
    
    Didn’t realise that. It wasn’t on the meeting notice in my letter-box.The discussion may be more vigorous without her.
    
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    April 26, 2022 12:01pm
- curry4me
  
  Oh yes the meeting in Withells Road. I’m going.
  
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  April 26, 2022 3:22pm
Ehlana

From World Without War Aotearoa:
‘Lockheed Martin is making a killing out of killing”, says [spokesperson] Mrs Remmerswaal.
‘Its profits are going through the roof, with stock increases of nearly 30% since the war with Ukraine began, and we’re sure that many kiwis would not be happy with that.”

Oddly, nothing on their Facebook post about the people supplying the Russian military.

I suggest quite a few Kiwis might actually be okay with supplying weapons to Ukraine to use against Russian invaders.
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April 26, 2022 11:38am
- PaulL
  
  I’m very strongly in favour of a world without war. Mrs Remmerswaal should let me know when she’s got Putin and Xi onside.
  
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  April 26, 2022 11:45am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    One way to stop war is to give up if attacked. Turn the other cheek as it were – Christian pacifism, etc. I don’t know if there would be any Quakers, for example, advocating on Kiwiblog for such an approach by Ukrainians.
    
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    April 26, 2022 11:59am
    - Jack5
      
      I recall Maggy Wassilieff told us she was raised, or educated as, a Quaker, and did I read that her late father-in-law, a Russian, was born in Ukraine?
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:41pm
    - Ehlana
      
      The trouble is then you have to live, as do your children and grandchildren, etc., as your conquerors decree. Do that make you morally liable for whatever they do, since you do not oppose it?
      
      I guess they sort of tried that in Afghanistan with the latest Taliban takeover. I’m not sure it is working out all that well for them though. Last I heard they were short of food.
      
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      April 26, 2022 12:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Listen to what an Ukrainian Pacifist/Conscientious Objector says…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUCFXlplww
      
      From about 2:39 in
      
      Do you disagree that NATO should shift from being a Military Alliance to one that advocates and facilitates peaceful solutions?
      
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      April 26, 2022 2:23pm
      - cjn
        
        There is no doubt that when the Warsaw Pact was dismantled (it had been constructed in response to NATO) that NATO should have similarly been axed. Europe should have embraced Russia. Russia asked to be included in the new order and was rebuffed. It is obvious that Russia has much to offer the Europeans in the areas of energy and culture. But no, the USA (not Reagan) continued to rub in the superiority of capitalism and continued with the humiliation. Think of the 2016 Presidential election. It’s about time that the USA spent its tax payers’ money on roads and infrastructure and even a health system instead of seeing itself as the world’s policeman propping up “failed states’ and working for “regime change”. It’s not as if they are good at it.
        
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        April 26, 2022 3:52pm
      - PaulL
        
        @cjn: except none of that is true. But whatever.
        
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        April 26, 2022 6:10pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      History teaches us that those that beat their swords into ploughshares end up ploughing for those that didn’t. Passivism is akin to long drawn out suicide, with a side helping of meaningless suffering – you condemn yourself and your kids to servitude and eventually death to make space for the descendents of the conquerors.
      
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      April 26, 2022 5:39pm
    - Niz
      
      Hmm, if we were invaded by a country that valued life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I think I’d be inclined to give up the fight pretty quickly. It’d be nice to live in a country with those values.
      
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      April 26, 2022 6:10pm
- Swifty
  
  While I am full of admiration for her intentions – she fails miserably to understand people and the causes of war and conflict.
  
  If the history of human civilisation has taught us one thing it is that disarming yourself invites people to come and take what you’ve got or worse.
  
  You only have to look at the Moriori here on our own lands. Invaded, mercilessly butchered almost in their entirety and any survivors enslaved.
  
  Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not criticising the Maori who did the butchering or enslaving in any way as that would be putting our modern-day values on people who lived in the past and would be quite wrong.
  
  It was, after all, merely Maori custom at the time, at least it was according to the Maori who did the butchering.
  
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  April 26, 2022 12:21pm
Cassandra

She’s a Quaker and pacificist. This is a religious matter. Best to politely ignore.
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April 26, 2022 11:52am
Swifty

The next time I hear a Labour supporter going on about “Capitalism is a system for socialising the losses and privatising the profits…” I am going to fart in their general direction.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300573257/government-funds-5-million-for-eco-boiler-at-capsicum-farm

Corporate welfare. Direct from the pockets of struggling NZ families.

Why the hell do we have the ETS?
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April 26, 2022 1:12pm
Nickc2

As I’ve grown older, I’ve learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.

I’m responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

Common sense is like deodorant. The people who need it the most never use it.

My tolerance for idiots is extremely low these days. I used to have some immunity built up, but obviously there’s a new strain out there.

It’s not my age that bothers me, it’s the side effects.

I’m not saying I’m old and worn out, but I make sure I’m nowhere near the curb on rubbish bin day.

As I watch this generation try and rewrite our history, one thing I’m sure of .. it will be misspelled and have no punctuation.

Me, sobbing: “I can’t see you anymore … I’m not going to let you hurt me again.”
My Trainer: “It was one sit-up.”

As I’ve gotten older, people think I’ve become lazy. The truth is I’m just being more energy efficient.

I haven’t gotten anything done today. I’ve been in the Produce Department trying to open this stupid plastic bag.

If you find yourself feeling useless, remember it took 20 years, trillions of dollars, and four presidents to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

Turns out that being a “senior” is mostly just googling how to do stuff.

I want to be 18 again and ruin my life differently. I have new ideas.

God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then he made the earth round…and laughed and laughed and laughed.

I’m on two diets. I wasn’t getting enough food on one.

I put my scale in the bathroom corner and that’s where the little liar will stay until it apologizes.

My mind is like an internet browser. At least 19 open tabs, 3 of them are frozen, and I have no clue where the music is coming from.

Hard to believe I once had a phone attached to a wall, and when it rang, I picked it up without knowing who was calling.

Apparently RSVPing to a wedding invitation “Maybe next time” isn’t the correct response.

She says I keep pushing her buttons. If that were true, I would have found mute by now.

So you’ve been eating hot dogs and McChickens all your life, but you won’t take the vaccine because you don’t know what’s in it?

Sometimes the Universe puts you in the same situation again to see if you’re still a dumbass.

There is no such thing as a grouchy old person. The truth is, once you get old you stop being polite and start being honest.

Anon
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April 26, 2022 1:29pm
- Don Beckett
  
  What an excellent list. I can identify with most of them. Why? because it feels weird to be the same age as old people. 😆
  
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  April 26, 2022 4:54pm
- PaulL
  
  When I was young, the world was full of old people. Nowadays the world is full of young people. Seems it should be the other way round.
  
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  April 26, 2022 6:13pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘So you’ve been eating hot dogs and McChickens all your life, but you won’t take the vaccine because you don’t know what’s in it?’
  
  Er more like “I’m very careful about what I put in my body ……..but I’m happy to be triple vaxxed with an experimental drug that is ineffective and must be continually ‘boosted”
  
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  April 26, 2022 6:30pm
Jack5

The Herald features someone from Canada on an Edmund Hillary fellowship. I tried to find a little more about such fellowships, with our Milky poster in mind for nomination.

This scheme says of its purpose:

… bringing together humankind’s creative potential and entrepreneurial spirit in Aotearoa New Zealand, to build and support innovative ventures for global impact.

Have these folk launched any outstanding ventures, say on a par with the space launch company founded by Mr Beck, of the Southland engineering family? Or of Xero, the accounting software firm?

I found on an immigration advice site, that , after three years, migrants under the scheme can apply for permanent residency in NZ.

Mmm, shades of student visas?

The Hillary scheme’s web site notes that the chair of trustees has gone on to be chief of the controversial Royal Society of NZ.

Has the Ardern PR squad sent messages down to subsidised newspapers to boost organisations like this?
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April 26, 2022 1:32pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING…

The thing ya gotta luv about Muskie….
when he says he’s gonna to do something, he don’t F**K about 😀

https://twitter.com/ParikPatelCFA/status/1518617797823188997

And there’s a guy here on Twitter whose account I’d like to see suspended. Some nasty leftard using the handle….. ‘Clint V Smith’.

Honestly, he continually obsesses over Christopher Luxon. To such an extent, that Chris must be living in his head rent-free!

>>Check this sh*t out….

https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1518740262885163008
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April 26, 2022 2:26pm
- MCōs
  
  Don’t follow him if you don’t like reading his stuff.
  
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  April 26, 2022 3:42pm
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    On the other hand how can one be outraged if one doesn’t follow him?
    
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    April 26, 2022 7:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Does your missus speak English, Cossie? She on Twitter??
    
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    April 26, 2022 7:07pm
Swifty

Can I commend to you all this wonderful piece of New Zealand documentary making:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/465867/anzac-documentary-kia-mate-a-ururoa

It tells the story of Harding Waipuke Leaf, of Whirinaki, who served in both world wars and his community with distinction.

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/features/harding-waipuke-leaf

https://www.28maoribattalion.org.nz/soldier/harding-waipuke-leaf

Thoroughly deserving of your time.
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April 26, 2022 3:04pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Watched it last evening after Breaker Morant, a very well-made Aussie war-time (Boer war) court-room drama.
  
  Also a great watch. Loved how he kept crayfish in his bath, and his response when (at nearly 50) they told him he was too old to fight!
  
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  April 26, 2022 7:14pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    After that the Australians refused to have their men tried by British Army Courts Martial
    
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    April 26, 2022 7:44pm
MCōs

I’ve seen far more comment on this forum about Uncle Elon taking over Twitter than I have on Twitter.
I look at Twitter quite a bit and what annoys me is the amount of advertising.
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April 26, 2022 3:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There is no need to have context, it is in the link.
https://rumble.com/v12djv7-psakis-response-to-elon-musks-twitter-takeover-is-a-giant-red-flag.html?
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April 26, 2022 4:01pm
Niz

Is there any chance that something good might come out of this court case?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/04/court-action-over-auckland-transport-plan-s-predicted-emissions.html

Or are the only two options that
A) AT get to carry on doing their best to get us out of cars and wasting loads of money, all while making no difference to the climate or
B) AT are forced to do ‘A’, but even faster and wasting even more money, while still making no difference to the climate.

Is there any chance a judge might ask for some evidence (not model outputs) of how much (or little) any of the wasteful spending might achieve?
Is there any chance of common sense winning the way?
I think I know the answer, but I live in hope that _something_ will change the disastrous course we’re on (i.e. a failed net zero policy and ruinous debt).
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April 26, 2022 4:21pm
JimBobJoe

The Wish for Kings…..

An interesting, to me at least, discussion about a book publish in the early 1990’s at around 33:00 there is an interest statement about the power structure evolving in Washington which seems very prescient in terms of its belief in power and the unimportance of democracy in running countries AND how people crave someone to tell you what to do.

That statement has come to pass in 2020 -22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE0DF9MT5J8&list=TLPQMjUwNDIwMjIJud630afDgg&index=3
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April 26, 2022 4:56pm
Maggie Pie

Couple of the girls at tennis were having a larf earlier.
They both have daughters at St Cuths.
Turns out the Te Reo Maori teachers name is…. Rosie Remmerswaal.

Prue reckoned her surname sounded like a bit of an oxymoron.

LOL!!!!
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