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General Debate 27 April 2022

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Yvette

“Co-governance”
“Māori were here first”
I was in fact here before Willie Jackson – by about 37 years.
“But his ancestors and heritage are different to yours”
“Really … so are the ancestors and heritage of Farid Ahmed, with respect to him, different to mine and William Jackson’s”
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April 27, 2022 8:05am
- Simon
  
  When British colonialists arrived many Maori sided with them against other Maori. History repeats when some Maori side with the State against the rest of NZ.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:28am
  - oldfella
    
    Simon, talking of those evil ‘colonialists’, Hamilton is in the process of erasing them from its history. I guess a name change for the city will be next.
    A Hamilton East street and park have been gifted new names to better reflect the city’s heritage.
    Von Tempsky St will become Putikitiki St and the nearby Dawson Park will be Te Wehenga Park in line with a Hamilton City Council community committee vote on Tuesday night.
    It comes after growing debate over recent years for the city to revisit street names honouring colonial figures such as Gustavus Ferdinand von Tempsky, Sir George Grey and John Bryce.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300573834/street-name-in-hamilton-changed-from-von-tempsky-to-putikitiki
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My partner is a direct descendent of one of the women who established the first Christian settlement in the Bay of Islands in the 1820s.
  
  OK Maori were here “first” by a few hundred years. The Australian aboriginals were in Australia 60,000 years. That is “indigenous”.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I wasn’t aware there was a specific cut-off time for claims of indigeneity.
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:56am
    - 7kiwi11
      
      Well if that’s the case, being born here 45 years ago then I too am indigenous.
      
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      April 27, 2022 1:08pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        We could of course look at established definitions of indigenous rather than invent our own for the purpose of arguing on a blog.
        For example:
        
        of or relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonized by a now-dominant group
        
        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indigenous
        
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        April 27, 2022 2:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        Or, Milky (2.08 post), we could take the Shorter Oxford definition for indigenous:
        
        1.
        A. Born or produced naturally in a land or region; native to the (soil region, etc).
        
        B. (transferred, and figuratively) inborn, innate.
        
        2. Native, vernacular.
        
        As you know, Milky, vernacular is everyday language as opposed to literary language.
        
        NZ Pidgin, being developed by State radio, State TV, and the subsidised media, doesn’t have authoritative grammars we can consult. Perhaps there is a consultancy role for you with the Pidgin Wokies. 🙃
        
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        April 27, 2022 2:31pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are possibly using an older edition, Jack. Dictionaries do change with the times, despite the preference of some for spelling and meaning to remain immutable.
        It seems likely that contemporary dictionaries draw from such sources as the UN:
        The United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues has developed an understanding of the term based on the following:
        
        Self-identification as indigenous peoples at the individual level and accepted by the community as their member.
        Historical continuity with pre-colonial and/or pre-settler societies
        Strong link to territories and surrounding natural resources
        Distinct social, economic or political systems
        Distinct language, culture and beliefs
        Form non-dominant groups of society
        Resolve to maintain and reproduce their ancestral environments and systems as distinctive peoples and communities.
        
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        April 27, 2022 3:28pm
  - Michael Rodent
    
    If Maori are indigenous then it is to Eastern Polynesia where their own oral history records they came from (and not that long ago).
    
    Certainly not indigenous to NZ.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:17pm
Tricati

Is David Parker’s Tax Principles Act just another devious way to manipulate public opinion to apply greater tax to the wealthy, thereby raising the spectre of CGT and Wealth Tax based on envious public feedback.
At a time when the government’s tax take is at the highest levels ever seen, this governments insatiable appetite for tax payers’ money has to be the height of greed. Clearly, they are running out of money to fund all this co-governance and climate change crap, therefore need to attack those that have worked hard, taken risks and invested in their futures to fund their ideological BS.
Surely the expensive Tax Working Group looked at all these issues, and if the outcomes of that didn’t provide a coherent direction that was ‘fair’ to all, then what a waste of money.
Like the ‘Fair’ Pay Agreement legislation, the use of emotive terms such as fair, principles and the like, are there to wind the unthinking up, as the terms are just smokescreens as this government id neither Fair or Principled.
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April 27, 2022 8:05am
- Yvette
  
  Government accused of ‘planting the seed for increased taxation’ with proposed Tax Principles Act
  … Parker also announced a proposed law, the Tax Principles Act, that would include “principles” to assess tax policies against.
  
  … “Our proposal is to require officials to periodically report to ministers about the operation of the tax system, using the principles as the basis for their reporting.
  “As to how these, or other, principles are expressed, we seek something that New Zealanders of all stripes see value in retaining and protecting. They need them to be clear enough to avoid ambiguity, without determining outcomes which are political.”
  It could, for example, require officials to report on the progressivity of the tax system. [1]
  
  What is the synonym of progressive?
  liberal, reforming, reformist, modern, advanced, forward-looking, forward-thinking, go-ahead, enlightened, enterprising, innovative, new, dynamic, avant-garde, modernistic, disruptive. radical, left-wing, revolutionary, revisionist, progressivist, freethinking [2]
  
  Are these proposed “tax principles” going to be defined before or after Jacinda and Chris Faafoi define “hate speech”, or Jacinda and William Jackson define “co-governance”?
  
  [1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/government-accused-of-planting-the-seed-for-increased-taxation-with-proposed-tax-principles-act.html
  [2] Google
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:19am
  - Ian Boag
    
    “Progressive” for a tax system means that the marginal rate goes up at higher income levels. NZ Income tax is progressive with rates going from 17.5% at the bottom to 39% at the top.
    
    “Regressive” means that the tax imposes a greater % cost on low income people. GST is a regressive tax. A flat rate income tax is also regressive.
    
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    December 27, 2021 12:31pm
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      Flat income tax rates & GST will impact low income people more but this doesn’t = unfair. People could & should strive to earn more income & make sensible choices to mitigate their dependence on other peoples charity/socialist taxes. I’ve started with nothing & been poor more than once in my 65+ years.
      
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      April 27, 2022 5:22pm
  - Taieri
    
    It could, for example, require officials to report on the progressivity of the tax system.
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    The Government ministers can make themselves familiar with the progressivity of the tax system by accessing this website:
    
    https://www.ird.govt.nz
    
    An ability to read with basic comprehension would be helpful. It is assumed (perhaps optimistically) that the ministers possess such an ability.
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:45am
    - Ian Boag
      
      He’s interested in finding out what sort of tax the high net worth people actually pay.
      
      I guess if it came out at 3% on average, the KB reaction would be “good on them” …. 🙂
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:49pm
  - Philview
    
    I like the way he issues the most ambiguous of statements and ends it with a comment about ending ambiguity.
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Let me think about that for a nanosecond; yes, of course it is!
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:22am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  More likely its a false flag attack on NAct to recover recent electorate defections because of people fed up with Labour/Maori issues
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:33am
- cas
  
  As soon as Jacinda is not there the wealth tax and CGT will be slapped on.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Which is why it is being prepared now as by the time she is gone – soon we hope, the incoming union preferred leader Michael Wood can put it into action before the election.
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:45am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Wait until the unions find out that Michael Wood, just like Christopher Luxon, is a Christian!
      
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      April 27, 2022 1:17pm
      - chukar
        
        I would have thought referring to a peaceful protest as a “ river of filth “ was pretty unchristian?
        
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        April 27, 2022 6:18pm
- Swifty
  
  Whenever Labour, the unions or the Greens use the word ‘fair’ we should instantly read it as ‘more’ and their true intentions present themselves.
  
  Every damn time.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:50am
- Swifty
  
  The shameless gall of this government, to waste taxpayers money so extensively ($1.9 Billion on mental health alone!) and then push for even more and more tax.
  
  They are completely out of control.
  
  They have become like a rabid dog, there is no reasoning with them.
  
  And, needless to say any extra tax revenue affords just more and more opportunities for the voter bribery of electoral support and special interests e.g. Maori special interests and service providers.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:55am
- slernz
  
  I think it is part of Labour’s election strategy. National, and particularly Luxon, are portrayed as greedy, stale old white men, mysognists, own multiple properties, tax cuts for wealthy… etc.
  
  The strategy is plain to see, to me at least. Frankly, the pressure will get worse and from what I have seen I doubt Luxon will handle it.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:20am
- RoboRob
  
  I think this is incredibly clever politically. If Labour are polling well, nothing happens next year. If not, they push up CGT again (based on this). The effect is to suck the oxygen out of all the other issues (3 waters, Te whatever, Economy, Inflation, Crime, health, education etc). Labour get to fight an election on CGT, which is much more a 50/50 issue than the rest. if they get close to the Nats, the Maori and Green parties will hopefully push them over. Political master stroke.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:30am
- Jim
  
  Like Margaret Thatcher famously stated:
  “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”
  
  Ardern and Robbo’s woke socialist politics are now realising that crushing the productive private business sector whilst burgeoning the size of the unproductive public sector, and pumping up the expectations of pet criminal gangs and lifelong beneficiaries is driving the economy back to the 1980s.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:29am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Tricati, it is. Parker is just spouting the same shit Ardern and Little did at each election. “The rich have to pay their fair share”. Never telling anyone who those rich are, and what that “fair” share should be. Put hey ho, if they start raising tax rates based on envy (which is what it is) anyone with a few bob will just up and bugger off. Capital is mobile.
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:43am
- Harry Knuts
  
  5mil on a working group to see if they can claw more tax out of people who are considered wealthy to what? give more to people who can’t be bothered working? they will be looking for a ROI on this 5mil with probably a new tax claw in excess of a billion in new tax. More taxes = labour…. their tax record is broken and because they’ve been spending like they’re printing money they are gonna tax the hell of anything that breathes. time to look at a new life overseas perhaps!
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:07pm
  - Jimmy Brown
    
    Noosa.😉
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:01pm
    - mawm
      
      Have you seen the prices?
      
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      April 27, 2022 5:34pm
G152

They protested the British nukes
And the American nukes as well as the French.
But never not ever the Russian nukes.
But for some reason it was okay for Russia.
And now Russia starts a war with the Ukraine and threatens to use nuclear weapons on a non nuclear state.
Time for those protesters to confront their pay masters
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April 27, 2022 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has Russia actually threatened to use nuclear weapons – or has the fake news media said that Russia has threatened?
  Huge difference.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See what I mean? Commentators on State TV said it. Sorry about the long link – did not know how much to remove. Hear is an example:
    “The disturbing warnings were made by commentators on President Vladimir Putin’s highly controlled state TV on Wednesday, ahead of Thursday’s emergency summit in Brussels between Nato, G7 and European Union leaders.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-russia-threatens-universal-nuclear-war-if-nato-peacekeepers-enter-ukraine/X4W33P7P6KLMTPB2PNHPQHFPZA/#:~:text=Russia%20has%20issued%20a%20chilling%20threat%2C%20saying%20it,Brussels%20between%20Nato%2C%20G7%20and%20European%20Union%20leaders.
    
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    April 27, 2022 8:25am
  - JJ56
    
    They are the ones raising it as a risk according to direct reports of their Foreign Minister https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/26/russia-ukraine-war-lavrov-warns-of-risk-of-nuclear-conflict
    
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    April 27, 2022 8:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Understand that this is now a proxy war between NATO and Russia, it is not Ukraine, it is NATO at the behest of the US. Russian comments are hardly surprising when a UK defence minister, James Heappy, has openly stated that British supplied weapons can be used to attack targets in Russia. The man is a complete psychopath.
      
      Think about that scenario, then tell me what the US would do if the Syrians attacked the US (illegal occupation) troops and bases in Northern Syria. Then Russia publicly stated they were supplying the Syrians with weapons and in fact, the Syrians are fully entitled to attack targets in America?
      WW3 would be on the cards in an instant. Just like during the Cuban Missile Crisis. This situation is the same.
      
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      April 27, 2022 10:35am
      - Nickc2
        
        Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, Cindy and Nanaia will get splinters in their arses sitting on the fence.
        
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        April 27, 2022 11:01am
      - cjn
        
        US President Biden has announced that the US will send more weapons to the Ukraine so that that country can continue its heroic struggle. On the 22nd he said that Ukraine was receiving $322m in aid, $165m non-standard ammunition and $1.3 billion in new weapons and economic assistance. Would the Russian army be sensible to destroy this lethal weaponry as soon as it crosses the border? Or would this be a breach of Ukraine’s sovereignty?
        
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        April 27, 2022 12:43pm
      - JJ56
        
        Whether or not it is a proxy war between NATO and Russia, the simple point is if Russia is bombing locations in Ukraine, are you saying we should tut tut about the reverse?
        
        “It is” as Heappy said, “war”.
        
        It is what happens when countries go around invading one another.
        
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        April 27, 2022 1:45pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Russia doesn’t believe Ukraine has any sovereignty to destroy.
        
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        April 27, 2022 2:10pm
      - kowtow
        
        jj56
        
        I agree .
        
        Irrespective of “nato pushing east” , donbas nazis , orange revolutions , what would you do if , the simple fact is jaw jaw is better than war war and that pos Putin pushed the button and has destroyed a sovereign country Ukraine , created untold misery for its innocent civilians .
        
        And Putin’s not doing this out of some sort of high moral purpose , he no doubt is doing it to strengthen his own domestic position which ironically and hopefully will be the end of him.
        
        To date they think 15 ooo young Russians have died forthat thug’s vainglory. How’s that working for the Russians.
        
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        April 27, 2022 2:19pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Russia invaded Ukraine.
        
        What do you honestly think Ukraine should have done? Nothing? Or are they only allowed to fight until they run out of their existing weapons?
        
        In their situation, wouldn’t you seek additional weapons from whoever was willing to supply you, to defend your homeland?
        
        And are you seriously suggesting that it is okay for the Russians to hit targets in Ukraine because they make their weapons themselves, but the Ukrainians can’t target places in Russia because they bought theirs from someone else?
        
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        April 27, 2022 4:02pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Foreign Minister has said that Nuclear War is now a distinct possibility
    
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    April 27, 2022 8:48am
    - pdm
      
      Not Nanaia – she would not have a clue what is happening or what the consequences may be.
      
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      April 27, 2022 9:19am
    - Sacha
      
      Everything is a ‘possibility’, distinct or otherwise.
      The war is for the hearts and minds of the general populace and casting doubt/fear into the population is front line in the battle.
      We should treat all politicians and their underlings statements with scepticism.
      
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      April 27, 2022 10:31am
    - Nickc2
      
      The Maori Caucus probably voted for it eh?
      
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      April 27, 2022 11:03am
    - fisho
      
      Nuclear, or Nucular?
      
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      April 27, 2022 4:26pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    No the Russia haven’t threatened to use nuclear weapons offensively they merely warned NATO that they were at a higher alert in case they were attacked. Be cautious whenever you have a single narrative from the MSM.
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:33am
    - kowtow
      
      Merely ?
      
      Fucking Russian elites and their looney plans . Fuck ’em.
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:20pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Why are they at higher alert? Is it because they attacked their neighbours?
      
      I wonder how they could have avoided that.
      
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      April 27, 2022 4:04pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Docduracoat comment on Brietbart:
    “Even if all nuclear states launched all their nukes, life would still exist.
    People in remote areas like Patagonia, people in mines and in remote valleys in mountain areas like Peru, South Africa and Tibet, will barely be affected. Fallout will not cross the equator, as winds do not cross the equator.
    Most targets are in the northern hemisphere.
    Civilization will collapse, billions will die, fallout will drift in the air until it rains, but mostly in the northern hemisphere.
    There will be radioactive death zones lasting hundreds of years where cities once stood.
    The people in New Zealand and South Africa and Patagonia will eventually repopulate the world.”
    
    Pssst….. don’t tell the 14%, they might include it in their ongoing treaty claims.
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  That applies to all things “left”.
  
  They protest all things “race” . But it’s still ok to constantly and very publicly make fun of “toff” accents and “upper class twits” for example.
  
  Slavery is the worst thing evah , when it was done by rich white Britons , but modern day slavery is ignored ( relatively) .
  
  Fossil fuels are evil , when “we” produce it , but we’re happy to buy it from dictators .
  
  Talking of pay masters ;
  
  when Britain and the Empire stood alone and the Nazis and Soviets were still pals ( they divied Poland and the Baltic States between them) the Soviets got their mates in the dockers’ unions in the UK and Australia ( other places too ) to assist in undermining the war effort .
  
  The Soviets also funded terror in the west through the ’70’s and one wonders if they weren’t funding the anti nuclear movement in the west and indeed down here too.
  
  useful idiots indeed. then and now.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Interesting that militant unionism and strikes almost disappeared when the Soviet Union disintegrated.
    With the rise of Communist China were seeing Unions ascendant again, a new funding model perhaps?
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:06am
  - Inandout
    
    Kow, I was amused when I read during WW2 a US army officer was incensed with Oz dockers at one port deliberately stalling the ships loading supplies. He shouted something along the lines of ‘if you wharfies continue to delay loading supplies I will personally see you are thrown into the sea’. Amazingly loading continued without delays.
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:18am
    - tui47
      
      NZ wharfies were even worse. Apparently when the US Marines stationed in Paekakariki were called to board their troop ships to head out to the Pacific to fight the Japs Wellington wharfies refused to load their ship. Why? Because it was raining and they did not want to get wet. So the Marines, many of whom were about to die in the mud fighting the Japanese had to load the ships themselves. I also recall something about returning NZ troops being stuck moored at sea outside New Brighton for two weeks because Christchurch wharfies were on strike.
      
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      April 27, 2022 5:45pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Do we have a political party for useful idiots in Ehatearowa?
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:20am
- curry4me
  
  I used to say at the time that if a Russian boomer turned up in Auckland the lefties would be at the front of the queue to welcome it in.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    There were no protests at the PLA ship visits.
    
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    April 27, 2022 2:21pm
BeaB

Kim Hill at her fishwife worst haranguing Chris Luxon. Then she called him John!
No doubt which side she is on, sadly.
Ardern and her crew must be thrilled at the worshipful treatment they get
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April 27, 2022 8:07am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  There are few people I literally cannot stand – Hill is one of them. The other is our glorious PM when she is in full condescend mode.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  No doubt they’ll be chuckling at how well they spent our money.
  
  Hopefully the Nats will take a knife to wasteful spending. It’s inflationary and very bad for the economy. It’s not like they need an excuse .
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:32am
- Philview
  
  I recall her shouting ‘shame on you’ down the phone to Nigel Farage a couple of years ago. Farage just ended the call. Chris Luxon should just hang up or leave if the interviewer is doing a poor job.
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:04am
- Harry Knuts
  
  easy solution – turn the radio off and don’t listen to kim hill. No audience and the ratings go down – show canned.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:09pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    As with a lot of these celebrity journalists and presenters , their “shows” are all about them and what they think rather than what the person being interviewed knows and thinks.
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:44pm
  - Alwynn
    
    I can’t think of any RNZ program that has been scrapped just because it had very few listeners.
    As long as it appeals to the Wadestown wadicals it will remain on air.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:12pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Ah, No. She is on National Radio mate…ratings don’t matter at all when your station is not reliant on advertising revenue.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:40pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”

Will the new history curriculum teach? –
At the UN, on behalf of Helen Clark
In her address to the United Nations on 13 September 2007, Rosemary Banks, New Zealand’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations, outlined why New Zealand could not sign the Declaration:
Madam President, the place of Maori in society, their grievances and the disparities affecting them, are central and enduring features of domestic debate and of government action. Furthermore, New Zealand has an unparalleled system for redress accepted by both indigenous and non-indigenous citizens alike…
It is therefore a matter of deep regret that we find ourselves unable to support the text before us today. In particular, four provisions in the Declaration are fundamentally incompatible with New Zealand’s constitutional and legal arrangements, the Treaty of Waitangi, and the principle of governing for the good of all our citizens.
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/implementing_the_united_nations_declaration_on_the_rights_of_indigenous_peoples

At the UN, against Helen Clark
The indigenous rights advocate who travelled to the United Nations to argue against Helen Clark’s possible appointment as Secretary-General says Miss Clark failed to uphold the interests of Māori.
Tina Ngata’s submission to the Permanent Forum for Indigenous Issues at the UN in May was endorsed by the Māori Party last week, which said it could not support Miss Clark.
At the core of her submission to the forum was “the desire and right for us to have somebody in the leading role who understands indigenous rights and indigenous rights abuses, and is able to be a champion for them,” Ms Ngata said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/310352/clark-criticised-over-maori-rights-record

For John Key –
Ministerial Statements
UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples—Government Support
Hon SIMON POWER (Minister of Justice)
In moving to support the Declaration, New Zealand both affirms those rights and reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system. Those existing frameworks [the Treaty of Waitangi”], while they will continue to evolve in accordance with New Zealand’s domestic circumstances, define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the aspirational elements of the Declaration.
– Hansard, Volume:662;Page:10229
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansD_20100420_00000071/ministerial-statements-un-declaration-on-the-rights-of
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April 27, 2022 8:10am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like it could be a public Lynching 😀

Always liked it when ZB’s Chris Lynch filled in for Kerry Woodham.
Used to wish it was the other way round.

Time to get in the popcorn?

https://twitter.com/chrislynchmedia/status/1518904468682985472
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April 27, 2022 8:28am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Hey, Moggie; her name is spelled Kerre.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:04am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You obviously don’t know her like I do Knotts 😀
    
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    April 27, 2022 2:12pm
I remember when

As I watched the TV news of the youths running wild in the Auckland Malls, I wondered how successful the great “80 KPH” push was going to be.
There seems to be a considerable lack of interest in obeying the law in some of the population.
Who would want to be a lone policeman stopping a speeding young motorist in a isolated area.
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April 27, 2022 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  We should take a leaf out of France’s book and install Bollards in front of shops.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:40am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I sincerely hope the youths were mask-compliant.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:08am
  - curry4me
    
    Absolutely, and it is of vital importance that they be up to date with all ‘ wokebola vaccinations’. Needless thay should all have had the ‘papers please’ app, and wokebola tracer app. One can’t be too careful. / sarc
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:17pm
  - Alwynn
    
    Yes they were. Well at least one in this CCTV footage. Have a look at the person getting out of the blue car about 9 seconds into this clip.
    Mask in place
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/26/cctv-shows-cars-racing-through-mall-during-auckland-ram-raid/
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here we go. In the US, the race baiters are saying Musk bought Twitter to skite about his white supremacy. Seriously? Woke and fucked in the head.
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April 27, 2022 8:46am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Ari Melber from MSNBC said:
  “You could secretly ban one party’s candidate or all of its candidates, all of its nominees. Or you could just secretly turn down the reach of their stuff, and turn up the reach of something else and the rest of us might not even find out until after the election.”
  
  He’s worried that Musk may use these techniques to steal elections. Apparently, only the Democrats are allowed to do those things.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Last sentence. It’s different when the left do it
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:13am
  - curry4me
    
    If nothing else, the wokerati are good for a laugh.
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good for a laugh, but they go septic quickly. Just look at the ones on this blog!
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:24pm
  - Pavel
    
    The problem the lefties fail to see is that the laws and things they use to suppress and control people will be exactly the same rules used against them when the pendulum swings the other way. On Twitter they have been banning and shadow banning people for ages and are now freaking out about someone using their own medicine against them. The same goes for all the crazy rules they bought in to impeach Trump, now their freaking out the same rules could be used against Biden. Often I have wondered if these people ever realize that things change. Their freaking out that the rules they made will be used against them. They are their own worst enemies.
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:47am
    - mawm
      
      I suspect that the left think that all the shenanigans they get up to are being done by the right as well. I can’t see Musk shadow banning, etc. as they have done even although I would love to see that being done just for the outrage it would engender.
      
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      April 27, 2022 5:46pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Lefties always project what they do, or want to do on the rest of us.
    
    We really should treat their accusations as confessions.
    
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    April 27, 2022 10:55am
- Jack5
  
  The fightback against woke capitalism has finally begun, says an article in the Telegraph about Musk’s takeover of Twitter.
  
  Matthew Lynn writes that Elon Musk has called out the politically correct, sanctimonious programming at Netflix as one of the explanations for its sudden drop in subscriber numbers. That led to a sharp fall in Netflix’s share price.
  
  A former chief executive at McDonald’s, Ed Rensi, has launched the Boardroom Initiative to spark shareholder revolts against large corporates giants “promoting political campaigns over profits”. The group is mobilising shareholders in Bank of America to organise against it pushing critical race theory training on its staff.
  
  Of his policy for Twitter, Musk has said: “Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy, and Twitter is the digital town square where matters vital to the future of humanity are debated.”
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:04am
- Phronesis
  
  But Musk is an African American. Probably the most successful African American ever.
  After all, if Musk isn’t African then none of the Blacks in America are American.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:55am
  - cjn
    
    I read that Musk’s family moved from Canada to South Africa. It was the Babylon Bee that called him an African American in consequence. I think it was meant to be a joke.
    
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    April 27, 2022 12:54pm
    - Phronesis
      
      You didn’t read that, you made it up. Musk’s Father and Grandfather were born in South Africa and he spent his entire childhood there.
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:43pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Musk was born in Pretoria so he is definitely African and I believe he has American citizenship (or at least lives there). So he is by definition African American.
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:48pm
    - mawm
      
      He was born in SA.
      
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      April 27, 2022 5:58pm
I remember when

Are the Auckland Mall invasions, at least partly, the result of lockdowns, school closures for covid, and lack of follow up on absenteeism.
Too much free time with nothing to do invariably leads to unlawful behaviour.
Is now the time for National and Act to emphasise the need for charter schools.
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April 27, 2022 8:52am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Definitely the lack of follow-up on absenteeism will have played a part; the other factors mentioned I believe less so.
  
  More like abrogation of parental responsibility, no or poor male role models, lack of discipline from an early age, and most significantly the realisation that this government doesn’t care about property crime, or most crime in general other than speeding.
  
  Potato Williams, Willie Jackson, Cuddles Coster, Kelvin Davis and the rest of this useless shower of shit, take a bow.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:35am
- Paulus
  
  Poor entrance Security perhaps !
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:47am
- kowtow
  
  In terms of crime, pop culture and ghetto sub culture ;
  
  Where America goes , we go.
  
  These guys see it on tv , in their choice of noise pollution aka rap , they know there will be little or practically no chance of being caught , and if so then will be released .
  
  The laws of physics no longer apply in the woke’ocene . There are no conseqeunces for their action.
  
  It will get waaaay worse before it gets better .
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:12am
- Harry Knuts
  
  my money would be on gangs recruiting youth (minimal consequences for youth if they get caught) and the gangs reap the rewards of the looting with nothing pinning it back to them. this is organised crime, not random, esp. when they hunt in packs like they are doing at the malls for the smash-and-grab.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:13pm
Loddenthinks

Disney starting to realise how badly they’ve misjudged their incredibly woke, trans-promoting, LGBTQIARXSZP+++ alphabet soup bullshit. Ideology’s all very well, but what about when it runs up against commercial imperatives and shareholder returns?

https://twitter.com/i/events/1518881679942766592

They’re each as bad the other, BTW, and I hope they both lose bigly out of this.
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April 27, 2022 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  Lodd, the Saudis want the ‘two mums’ scene cut. Can anyone here see how they would treat a potential gay leader of our country should he venture into the Middle East?
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a thought. If you are going to delete your Twitter Account because Musk bought it, you are silencing yourself! That make you a hypocrite
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April 27, 2022 8:59am
- MCōs
  
  Hardly
  There’s plenty of other places to express your views.
  As it happens nothings changed on Twitter and from my observation there’s more people squawking on this forum about about how the woke-liberal-narcissists are annoyed than Farmer Brown’s chook farm.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:02am
- Ehlana
  
  If you are going to delete your Twitter Account because Musk bought it, you will raise the average IQ of Twitter users.
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:08am
Maggie Pie

See where thousands of people are saying Muskie could have spent that $44BILLION…. tackling World Hunger.

Instead, he used it to send millions of woke-liberal-narcissists into a spiral of depression.

Money well spent I reckon 😀

https://twitter.com/mbesheer/status/1518581620969771009
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April 27, 2022 9:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yet not a comment on Jeff Bezos owning WaPo or Carlos Slim having interests in NYT.
  
  Funny that
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot of envy from the woke left. Elon Musk could have spent 99.9% of his wealth and still have a cool $280M to play with.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:10am
- I remember when
  
  Lots of people think someone else should spend their money tackling World Hunger.
  
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  April 27, 2022 9:17am
- David George
  
  What they miss is that the money hasn’t been “spent”, it’s just been transferred to the existing shareholders. Perhaps they should be pointing the finger at them and what they are doing with their money and their massive windfall profit.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:31am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes ! Well said
    
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    April 27, 2022 11:43am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Stupid Margaret Besheer ran a poll, no doubt looking for confirmation that Musk is evil and hates hungry children.
  
  Poll: Which is a better use of Elon Musk’s $44b (she actually said $43b but what’s 10,000 million between Twatter besties?)?
  
  End world hunger (11.5%)
  Buy Twitter (88.5%)
  
  The jury is in!
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    If so-called liberals really cared about ending hunger they’d abandon Climate Change™ fraud and pass the misappropriated tax money back to those who earned it so they could grow more, employ more, risk more thereby solving poverty in the only proven way: raising everyone’s standard of living.
    
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    April 27, 2022 11:32am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The left are always quick to judge how some one spends their own money. So lefties, how much of your money have you committed to ending “world hunger”? What, nothing?
    
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    April 27, 2022 12:10pm
  - judith8409121
    
    and those libtards that complain about other peoples choices can take their own 5 cents [their total wealth] and give it to their favourite cause – what ever waste of money that is from re writing history to renaming government departments or woke trans ideology dance – the problem is nz government is basically pissing our money away for these things,
    
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    April 27, 2022 12:33pm
  - cmm
    
    These people don’t really understand that buying an asset like Twitter doesn’t actually burn up resources or use up the money. It just changes who has it.
    
    The 44Bn that Musk spent has been transferred to the Twitter shareholders. They can all take it to solve world hunger if they so choose. Or they can spend it on Ferraris and holidays. If they do then it is not Musk wasting the money, it is them.
    
    But then, they’re lefties who don’t understand money and how it works. If they could understand stuff like that then they wouldn’t nbe lefties.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:20pm
- emmess
  
  There is nothing to stop the current shareholders who will receive the pay out from Musk to use their funds to ‘solve world hunger’ like say the Saudi prince.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dan Bongino on crazy Liberals leaving Twitter LOL.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=690645415320758
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April 27, 2022 9:06am
oldfella

The Daily Blog nails it!
Free Speech Alert: AUT University disgracefully cancel feminist event on campus
An outrageous decision last night by AUT to cancel and deplatform an event to discuss free speech and feminism!
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/04/27/free-speech-alert-aut-university-disgracefully-cancel-feminist-event-on-campus/
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April 27, 2022 9:09am
- alex Masterley
  
  Unbelievable.
  I agree with something Bradbury wrote. I need a cup of tea and a lie down.
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:51pm
curry4me

Yesterday it was announced that Twitter had accepted Elon Musk’s offer to buy them for $44 billion. So in this video we outline how the Elon managed to persuaded Twitter and what the hell he even wants to do with it?
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April 27, 2022 9:10am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlPIF_XA-e8

Here’s how Terrible Joe Biden’s home town of Wilmington, Delaware looks these days.

Wilmington, Delaware. The hoods here are the only hoods that I’ve visited before where the action was hotter in the morning than it was at night. It’s a hard place to try and understand – it’s not big enough to get national attention, but a lot of Wilmington is really dangerous and super poor. I’ve been to most of this country’s terrible areas. But I’ve never seen anyone overdosing on a sidewalk. Within 5 minutes of getting to Wilmington, I saw TWO people dying on the street. [25:46. This channel is full of interesting stuff on life in the 50 states. Good and bad places to move to. Those videos are backed by census data and official stats.]
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April 27, 2022 9:10am
- cmm
  
  So the story about Cornpop being a bad dude could be true then.
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The view, bit like the Strandard in NZ. Don’t watch The View if you want to keep your sanity.
https://rumble.com/v12hxj3-the-view-complains-about-straight-white-men-having-free-speech.html?
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April 27, 2022 9:18am
curry4me

I went to the public meeting at St Marks Church that another poster referred to yesterday. The agenda was Three Waters, and the changes to housing density. It was organized by a local group. The place was packed. The local Labourless MP didn’t come, because ….’reasons’. Gerry Brownlee was isolating because a family member has wokebola. So Nicola Grigg stood in for him. I thought it’d be very raucous, but it wasn’t. Three Waters doesn’t have much support. And the other changes have even less. It was suggested that people make individual submissions on both matters.
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April 27, 2022 9:40am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf…..
My partner’s mum called in for a drink last night.
She was saying one of the Boutiques she frequents in Newmarket, had just been the subject of it’s third robbery in the last 2 months! The owners had captured everything on CCTV, but so far hadn’t heard a thing back from the police 🙁

Ma thinks todays young crims who go round robbing from women’s clothing stores….are nothing more than a ‘pack-of-pussies’.
She reckoned her husband’s old mate Les would be turning in his grave.

https://stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300199175/bank-robber-les-greens-final-mystery-in-death
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April 27, 2022 9:52am
- David Garrett
  
  If your father in law really was “a mate” of Les Green he had a strange taste in friends…In addition to the audacious robberies he was so proud of the was responsible for a number of murders…just another murderous psychopath.
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:13am
  - Swifty
    
    Speaking of Les Green, and him complaining of being assaulted, I can attest that he had been complaining about being assaulted in the years previously and by one Willie Jackson on the occasion of Les being kicked out of Nga Whare Waatea Marae.
    
    Now I can’t say of Willie assaulted Les or not as I wasn’t there at the time but I can certainly say that’s what Les alleged because he said it in front of me.
    
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    April 27, 2022 11:26am
    - Alwynn
      
      I think my opinion of Willie has just gone up a bit.
      Just a little bit but still takes him above zero now.
      
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      April 27, 2022 3:24pm
      - Swifty
        
        You’re prepared to say that without knowing the reasons that Willie booted him out of his lodgings on the Marae (a shed) without knowing the background?
        
        A bold call.
        
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        April 27, 2022 4:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well I’m sorry Dave, but the article has NO mention of him being a ‘murderer’ that I can see?
    It says…. ‘his most serious crime was making off with $105,000 by blowing a jewelers vault’
    
    The bit I liked was where he said… “Today’s new-age thugs are lowlifes and scum. We weren’t going around snatching old ladies handbags” 😀
    
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    April 27, 2022 12:22pm
    - David Garrett
      
      He was never convicted of any of the THREE murders he is thought to be responsible for…I guess life looks different from the tennis club and leafy suburb you live in…you’d literally shit urself if you ever came across the young version of a Les Green
      
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      April 27, 2022 1:00pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Okay…but no need to get all snippy at me 🙁
        
        And just to clarify, when Ma said ‘old mate’, she meant it in a professional term, rather than meaning an actual Bestie.
        Guess you had to be here.
        
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        April 27, 2022 1:30pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  maybe these robbing youth are cross-dressers?
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

McEnany nails it. The left do not want a level playing field.
https://rumble.com/v12j0u1-kayleigh-mcenany-roasts-libs-meltdown-over-elon-musk-buying-twitter.html?
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April 27, 2022 10:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Robbie Roadsteamer. The new Woke Order destroyed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJmiqECqHg
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April 27, 2022 10:16am
Jack5

The Reserve Bank and Finance Minister Robertson are tackled about inflation by Professor Robert MacCulloch in fine article in the Herald today.

A taste:

Those having trouble paying back their mortgages in the next few years can blame our RBNZ Governor and Finance Minister. They encouraged a borrowing binge to buy houses at wildly inflated prices, financed by dirt cheap credit, turning a blind eye to the breach of the target to which they mutually agreed and not learning the lessons of the Global Financial Crisis in 2008.

Disappointly, the Herald tucked this article behind its paywall. Surely the Ardernist paymasters aren’t requiring articles critical of Labour be poked behind the paywall?

Does anyone know where else people can read this article?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/robert-macculloch-the-case-against-the-reserve-bank-and-the-finance-minister/WANWN3KGNDS5SWES3N2URJZROM/
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April 27, 2022 10:29am
- SoloView
  
  @ Jack
  Given the sentiments expressed in Kiwiblog, I find myself puzzled why the Herald paywall upsets so many people.
  It’s a shareholder owned company doing what it feels it needs to do to make a profit.
  If people don’t like the paywall don’t read the Herald.
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    How much taxpayer money goes into NZME ?
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    Fair enough, SoloView.
    
    I was making the point that a site that uses a paywall for just part of its content, could “bury” behind the paywall some items it doesn’t want too widely viewed.
    
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    April 27, 2022 2:20pm
- kowtow
  
  Many libraries are members of Pressreader .
  
  You can read the print edition of the Whoreald daily through that , if you’re a member of your library and if they’re signed up.
  
  I’ve just paid my latest installment of swingeing rates , so I’m clawing back every last cent I can.
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:35pm
- Joely Doe
  
  There are a number of Chrome/Edge extensions that will Bypass Paywalls – but mods won’t like them being posted here 😉
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:09pm
MCōs

I saw video of cars driving round inside the mall at 1am the other night.
It’s all very well grizzling about lack of police, useless parents, out of control kids, government soft on crime and all the rest.
How is it possible for malls to be designed such that this can happen? And repeatedly, as I understand.
A couple of steps outside the entrances would stop that with a narrow ramp off to one side for wheelchairs. Or planters that cars can’t get between.
Do these people have no imagination?
Sometimes in life one has to look after yourself.
I understand that mall had security guards at the time. What for? So they can claim insurance?
You either have security or you don’t.
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April 27, 2022 10:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  Let’s apply your argument to skydiving: When the jumper exits the plane having neglected to put his rig on, death at 200km/h is caused by the ground not being soft enough.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My fave Jewellery Store in Sydney’s Double Bay has a full-time Security Guard who stands at the door with a Pistol on his hip. He has to buzz you in.
  
  The guy on duty last time was telling us the shop has never been robbed….nor has he ever had to draw his gun.
  
  We haven’t been there for the last three years, but I just call ahead from the taxi and let them know what time we’ll arrive. Always makes us feel really special to be let in without anything more than a friendly…”So nice to see you again”
  
  Why can’t we have the same thing here? It would stop the sort of criminal behaviour we’re experiencing on the streets overnight.
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yer but .
    
    We all pay our taxes so we should have enuff Cops on patrol to prevent crime and if it happens to detect it.
    We pay taxes to maintain a “justice” system for judges to send people to gaol and to pay for prisons to keep the crims in , innit .
    
    And seeing how Cuddles Coster is such a fan of the Peel Principes ( aka policing by consent) he needs to reflect on No 9
    
    ‘To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.’
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:32pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s malls and shopping centres all over Auckland.
      There’s no way the police should be expected to patrol them all 24/7. For a start they don’t have the numbers.
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:21pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      As my partner said….’Could you imagine SCOMO or Peter Dutts donating $3,000,000 of taxpayers-money to the Comancheros?
      Or providing them with a ‘Police Escort’ on a bike ride to their AGM….then having to ask the Public for any dash-cam evidence of criminal activity they may have captured. SHEESH!!
      
      Policing in this country has become an absolute farce!
      Why should the poor Cops on the beat be expected to put their lives on the line every day? They get no support from the judiciary, or this rotten-to-the-core government….who couldn’t give a flying-fuk about their welfare or safety. And they’re lucky to take home 25 bucks an hour!’.
      
      He was just saying….
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:46pm
  - chukar
    
    MP,
    We in NZ are not allowed to defend our property or person with violence or even the threat of it.
    Our only defence is to inform the police.and rely on / hope for a prompt response!
    Good luck
    The vision of a pistol packing security guard here is just that , a vision, it won’t happen!
    
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    April 27, 2022 8:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep definitely the mall’s fault for not being built like a fortress.
  
  We should all live in gated “communities” with private security and body guards , if we’re brave enough to go out.
  
  Wimmin shouldn’t dress “provocatively”
  
  They should only go out with a chaperone.
  
  Etc
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:25pm
- Blackbob
  
  Yes, of course it’s the Mall’s fault….. if it just dressed more decently it wouldn’t have been assaulted…
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:54pm
Jack5

Woke Hamilton changes the name of von Tempsky street. What a council of wankers.

Stuff reports von Tempsky St will become Putikitiki St and the nearby Dawson Park will be Te Wehenga Park in line with a Hamilton City Council community committee vote on Tuesday night. The streets will get Maori names

Stuff reports Wokies and Maori activists have been pressing over recent years for Hamilton to (what Stuff calls) “revisit” streets named for colonial figures such as settler soldier-hero Gustavus von Tempsky, colonial Governor Sir George Grey, and John Bryce (a colonial government “Native Minister”).

Anyone remember Scott Hamilton, who used to post on Kiwiblog, and was one of the earlier instigators to change names that commemorated colonial leaders? Thank you Scott.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300573834/street-name-in-hamilton-changed-from-von-tempsky-to-putikitiki
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April 27, 2022 10:42am
- Yabster
  
  Hamilton complete ahole – Go Bully Hayes – yes it is still called that you twat.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Just the beginning of the latest iteration of the Cultural Revolution.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He has a street named after him in Normanby, rather closer than Hamilton to where he met his end in the ill-conceived attack on Te Ngutu o te Manu, and there is a Tempsky Road bordering the battle site.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:27pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Remember the the big public relations spend when Willie Apihana got his Victoria Cross?
  There has only been one Victoria Cross awarded in New Zealand and Heaphy Terrace in Hamilton is named after that recipient.
  That will be the next name change. Heaphy gave the locals a bit of curry alongside the Mangapiko River, near Pirongia in 1864. Not as much curry as the new publican at Pirongia, who hails from Chennai, and has banned work boots and high vis jackets in the public bar.
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:55pm
rockape

For the first time in 20 years to my knowledge Nelson Hospital didn’t have the beds. Or nurses to receive patients from ambulances. Patients arriving by ambulance were not admitted and had to be treated in the ambulance by ambulance staff. This of course tied up the ambulance and meant they were not available to respond. FIRST TIME IN 20YEARS!
Reasons were sickness and stress leave in staff, not filling nursing vacancies and Covid in staff got mainly from their children at school.
We were promised better health, how about some of that Covid cash being spent on Hospitals not the Arts?
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April 27, 2022 10:48am
- Cinematic
  
  Funny what happens when you close your borders to workers ain’t it? I think we best all move to Australia.
  
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  April 27, 2022 10:59am
  - rockape
    
    Plus sacking all the unvaccinated nurses didn’t help. The hospital won’t re employ them either even if they have natural immunity.
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:12pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Based on now well-established evidence from countries that vaxxed-to-the-max prior to us, those nurses will be the ones less often infected relative to their dutifully vaxxed peers.
      
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      April 27, 2022 2:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  how about some of that Covid cash being spent on Hospitals not the Arts?
  
  Oh dear…
  How would our hard-working creatives have survived if they didn’t get extra hand-outs during lockdowns?
  
  https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/creative_nz_grants
  
  https://www.creativenz.govt.nz/covid-19-response/latest-covid-19-updates
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:50am
- Paulus
  
  Remember it is School Holidays weeks too !
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Ah but all the lock down stuff was to save the health system .
  
  We locked down to save the health system the consequences of said saving collapsed said health system.
  
  Why did they bother.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:28pm
barnacle bill

To think that this guy has his fingers on the red button.
Hopefully he will not be around to much longer.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/vladimir-putin-health-concerns-as-video-shows-russian-president-shaking-uncontrollably/news-story/08db2ab4575dda7f347a34ad9d28a54d
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April 27, 2022 10:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Jeez, if that’s genuine it a real worry. MND? His right arm and legs were malfunctioning too.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:57pm
  - rockape
    
    You try walking in 2” platform shoes and see how you get on!
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:27pm
Swifty

For anyone concerned with New Zealand’s future, decolonisation, co-governance etc – one of the most important pieces you’ll see this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoyRl-8NKHg

Douglas Murray in full flight, today.
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April 27, 2022 10:52am
Swifty

It’s just occurred to me that the Labour Party pushing the notion that co-governance will lead to ‘equitable outcomes’ for Maori is simultaneously an admission that for the last 106 years Labour has failed to achieve the same thing.

And this is despite all their bravado, bluster and false-promises that they would.

The Labour-voting Maori community should be ropeable that they’ve been so used and abused, failed and let down by the very people they trusted with their votes.
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April 27, 2022 11:16am
mikenmildagain

Jack5 won’t like this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300573834/street-name-in-hamilton-changed-from-von-tempsky-to-putikitiki
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April 27, 2022 11:40am
- Yabster
  
  not just Jack most people – how about we start changing some Maori names back Milky-
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Rename Whanganui as Petre?
    
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    April 27, 2022 2:59pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Marton in the Rangitikei used to be called Tutaenui but the locals pushed for it to be changed, so it has happened
    .
    Marton in England was Cook’s birthplace so there will probably be a push back to the original Maori name at some point (I see they have started bracketing Tutaenui next to Marton now).
    
    The translation of Tutaenui (big crap basically) is rather unfortunate though.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Any day now, Mike/Mikenmildagain may transmute into Mikaere … 🙃
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:17pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Miraka
    
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    April 27, 2022 8:35pm
- cmm
  
  Why not go the whole hog and rename the street using the original Maori alphabet?
  
  ” “
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Don’t know about others here…
but I can understand why the kids would be scared 🙁

I can honestly say, that in the last 20 years, I’ve never seen anybody with a ‘moko’ playing tennis at the Club.
And goodness knows how the locals would react if someone with facial-tattoos walked their dog on the Waiata Reserve.
I know I’d probably be scared as well.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465952/women-who-insulted-moko-kauae-told-to-apologise
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April 27, 2022 11:42am
- BeaB
  
  I think it is a nonsense dreamed up to make a fuss.
  
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  April 27, 2022 11:57am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  People are free to deface themselves with silly facial identity branding and general public are similarly free to identify them as being precious extremist attention whores that are probably best avoided.
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We’ve got a club-meet on Friday and I’ll be using that! 😀
    
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    April 27, 2022 1:21pm
Scooter

I see the woman who murdered 5yr old child Malachi Subecz has pleaded guilty. I guess that saves the cost of a trial, however why has it not ever been explained her connection to the boy, or why if she and her sister (also charged) are not his parents, were in his care. Something is being hidden.
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April 27, 2022 11:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Will be explained at sentencing. There are limits on what may be reported ahead of a trial.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:16pm
Niz

Hmm, I see that physically and/or intellectually disabled and those with mental illness can be get a ‘legal’ mask exemption.
Nothing for those who realise they’re a waste of time though.
When will the idiocy end?
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April 27, 2022 12:04pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It has taken Chippy and the Ministry of Whatever 9 months to bring this in
  
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  April 27, 2022 12:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps maintaining that a mask is a waste of time establishes you as having and intellectual disability, so you should therefore qualify for an exemption.
  
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  April 27, 2022 2:18pm
  - jonno1
    
    Sadly Mike, for those of us with breathing difficulties (I can manage walking about 20m with a mask after which I’m gasping for air, but a full 50m without one, yay) it is indeed no help knowing that they are useless anyway. But please don’t think I’m complaining, as there are many people far worse off than me, however a little compassion goes a long way. Nevertheless I do appreciate your contrarian views, which can be thought-provoking and do provide a useful counterpoint.
    
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    April 27, 2022 3:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And you should never have even worn a mask Mike, lifetime exemption for you.
    
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    April 27, 2022 4:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just remember Mike, if you sling shit, it is ok. But don’t bitch when it comes straight back at you.
      That is all.
      
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      April 27, 2022 4:13pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “those with mental illness can be get a ‘legal’ mask exemption”
  
  There’s every Labour and Green voter freed from the tyranny of face nappies.
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Baaaaaaa
    
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    April 27, 2022 4:14pm
Prince

Recall last year in the middle of winter, there were power cuts affecting thousands of Kiwis on the coldest night.
Minister Megan Woods took the opportunity to blame ‘the market’, and profit-driven providers. Proof, she said, that market-driven policies were flawed…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/megan-woods-on-the-warpath-over-electricity-outages-throws-power-generators-under-the-bus-but-brushes-off-calls-to-resign/TG2C34R4FMA7NZFZMHNU5OBLXU/
“The country had enough physical generation capacity for all the power it needed, but “commercial decisions” meant that generation wasn’t turned on, she said.
She would not defend the generators against accusations they had made the commercial decision to cut generation capacity to boost profits, saying that was a question for them.”.

Woods blamed Genesis in particular. Genesis initially fired back, but was hushed up after a meeting with Woods.

Well, the final report is in, and it appears Woods’ own SOE, Transpower was at fault, exactly as Genesis and others had argued at the time.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465964/transpower-responsible-for-unnecessary-august-power-cuts-electricty-authority

Will she resign ?
Will the media hound her for answers ?
Will she apologise ?
Will Ardern be held to account for her minister’s lies ?
Will you ever see this mentioned on Stuff, TV News, The Spinoff, The Standard ?
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April 27, 2022 12:35pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  There’s a wafer thin chance FJA will now get twatted on Twitter with Elon running the paint ball gun through the corridor’s of the above ants nest
  
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  April 27, 2022 1:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Megan Woods had better cross her fingers that the lights/heating doesn’t go off this winter.
  No-one will believe her porkies now.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:21pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SDmHK9LHQ8
Yesterday it was announced that Twitter had accepted Elon Musk’s offer to buy them for $44 billion. So in this video we outline how the Elon managed to persuaded Twitter and what the hell he even wants to do with it? [Doh! I posted this earlier without the URL.]
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April 27, 2022 1:44pm
Bobba Fret

And another soft judge that needs a rocket up them!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-member-gets-home-detention-for-8000-rotorua-burglary/TDL2CYBWREFKIOIU43YFOZCJMQ/
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April 27, 2022 2:28pm
Bobba Fret

And this joke of a government lose another case this time regarding the MIQ lottery system. But is there any comeuppance for the government?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/grounded-kiwis-fight-in-the-high-court-ends-in-success/OCYSA3UTLNRPXAW2DMA2SZSSZA/
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April 27, 2022 3:06pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  No, only taxpayers. Being labour means never having to apologise or accept consequences for any screwup, ever, it’s always someone else’s fault, move on.
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=285355210470594&set=p.285355210470594&type=3
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April 27, 2022 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More fun:
https://www.facebook.com/theunitedspot/posts/1088593655346514
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April 27, 2022 3:11pm
krazykiwi

Grounded Kiwis fight in the High Court ends in success. “Not demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society”. I’ll post more on this later.

Well done Grounded Kiwis and the thousands of people who contributed to the legal costs.
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April 27, 2022 3:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  My son knows one of the founders of this group. They are stoked. So much vindication for the cause that they championed without pause.
  
  The ruling again highlights Ardern’s willingness to trample democratic principles in her lust for power.
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Will “Not demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society” lead the 6 o’clock ‘news’ or make the daily front pages ?
  
  Is the 9th floor now on the blower to the editors …….
  
  Will the so called fourth estate hold power to account .
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:28pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Occurs to me that if nothing else, the COVID restrictions and individual rights violations, and attempts to pass hate speech laws (read:anti-free speech laws), and special Maori-favouring legislation, have awakened some sense of fight-back by Kiwis who just want a fair and equal shot.
  
  It has specifically shown Kiwis that crowdsourcing, crowdfunding, etc., can be used to make that fight a success.
  
  The Free Speech Union has set a very good example.
  
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  April 27, 2022 7:22pm
Tony Stuart

Remember that lawsuit be Grounded Kiwis that we were told would be laughed out of court? Guess what; it wasn’t!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/grounded-kiwis-succeed-in-high-court-challenge-against-government-s-miq-system.html
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April 27, 2022 3:11pm
- rockape
  
  I suspect many who were denied when they had good reasons to come home will have grounds to sue. I can see a class action coming.
  
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  April 27, 2022 3:24pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  But will they get any compensation?
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Guessing it won’t be long before we have MDS, Musk Derangement Syndrome
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April 27, 2022 3:12pm
- curry4me
  
  I think MDS began the moment he bought Twitter.
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:49pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    No, way before.
    
    Musk has long been at odds with many of his supposed fans. A lot of those who love what he’s doing with SpaceX and Tesla are lefties who have a real problem with his politics. It’s fascinating to see how they have to jump through mental hoops to rationalise their support for what he does versus what he stands for.
    
    Too bad. All power to him. He ain’t perfect but you take your wins where you can find them.
    
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    April 27, 2022 7:48pm
slijmbal

Why is this not top of the news today?

The Judge absolutely lambastes MIQ in so many ways

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127890187/grounded-kiwis-miq-was-a-lottery-when-a-better-system-was-available-judge-decides
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April 27, 2022 3:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How convenient…
  
  Judge releases findings whilst Parliament is asleep.
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:37pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Are you implying that a high court justice who has ruled against the government in a high profile case is also too frightened, or too corrupt, to release his findings on a day when parliament happens to be sitting (about 90 out of 365)?
    
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    April 27, 2022 5:54pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      to release his findings
      
      Last time I checked, Justice Jillian Mallon identified as a female.
      
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      April 27, 2022 9:53pm
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        Nice evasion.
        
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        April 27, 2022 9:59pm
Maggie Pie

And something else I’ve just noticed….
picked up an additional 9 Twitter-Followers over nite!
Wonder if they’ve been suppressing it up until now?
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April 27, 2022 3:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And, quelle surprise, hordes of lefties are bemoaning huge drops in their followings. It’s as if a million bot accounts cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. Twitter scampering to hide their malfeasance before the new boss gets his feet under the desk.
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:20pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “It’s as if a million bot accounts cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. ”
    
    Nice.
    
    “The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.”
    
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    April 27, 2022 7:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The BOTs have been, look over your LEFT shoulder <that way.
  
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  April 27, 2022 4:52pm
David Garrett

Just a wee reminder that the white bikie gangs can be just as vicious and dangerous as the ethnic ones..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300574469/auckland-triple-shooting-man-admits-part-in-home-invasion-where-victim-was-shot-in-eye

Their members just don’t get caught as often.
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April 27, 2022 4:35pm
- Swifty
  
  Got an Uber to go and do a job!
  
  What an egg.
  
  A cat-stroking criminal mastermind.
  
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  April 27, 2022 5:39pm
Maggie Pie

Twitter founder @jack will receive $970 million USD from the buyout.

Not bad for someone whose Uncle is a Catholic Priest 😀
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April 27, 2022 4:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, because the catholic priesthood so seldom has any connections with the rich and powerful.
  
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  April 27, 2022 5:56pm
Suze Wainwright

Is it just me, or do there appear to be fewer articles about long COVID and how Omicron can still fry your brain, disintegrate your lungs, shrivel your liver and do whatever to every other organ in your body?

Has Jacinda exercised her Mercy, or something..?
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April 27, 2022 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

Where is Jacinda? Are the Covid rumors true…..

Asking for a friend.
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April 27, 2022 7:54pm
- Prince
  
  To answer that, consider the following;
  – Court finds major aspects of MIQ illegal.
  – Enquiry finds Megan Woods lied, and the SOE under her control was at fault for 2021 blackouts.
  – Inflation running rampant. Charities at the coal face facing desperate demand.
  – Crime is rampant. Gangs out of control.
  – Nurses about to strike.
  – Rotorua ethnic gerrymander bill in trouble.
  – Covid deaths nearing the four figure mark.
  – Kindies and schools are on holiday.
  
  She is in hiding somewhere until her media team can can up with some good news.
  
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  April 27, 2022 8:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Maybe her media team will make a guest appearance on DWTS ?
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    April 27, 2022 9:51pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      If they can appear as same sex couples, maybe….?
      
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