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Tony Stuart

Henry Cooke, Stuff’s chief political reporter has run his beady eye over the documents behind the Government’s “nuclear-free moment” yesterday. And he’s come to the conclusion that smoke and mirrors are back in vogue:

The Government’s emissions reduction plan came with a lot of hype and even more accompanying documentation.

But despite the hundreds of pages of ideas and $2.9 billion in planned spending, the actual meat of policy contained within is startlingly small.

Even under the most optimistic scenario, the policies are only projected to reduce emissions by 4.1% by 2025.

And it’s easy to see why once you take more than a casual glance through “table of actions” booklets distributed to media. Most of the actions are anything but.

Stuff took the time to tally up these 284 listed actions and classify them.

Over half (158) are not really plans at all, but are plans to make a plan down the road, or to scope the scale of a possible policy, or develop an evidence base to build a policy on.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300590056/over-half-of-emissions-reduction-plan-is-plans-to-make-other-plans

So smoke and mirrors it is, and to add fuel to the furtive nature of this whole charade, James Shaw has just completed an absolute trainwreck of an interview with Mike Hosking on Newstalk ZB, where he couldn’t answer what should have been simple questions for the Climate Change Minister driving this whole shebang.

The Left claims that sea levels are rising, but the only water salt moving at the moment is the tide going out on Labour, and by extension, on the Greens. And once the tide goes out on a government, the epitaphs begin.
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December 17, 2021 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  We spend 100s of millions reducing our emissions by 4.1 percent. Those reduced emissions equal the emissions produced by China every 2 HOURS. This is because China emits every 2 days what New Zealand emits in a year 🤡🤡😳😳😳.
  
  This plan was savagely cut back because the Labour Party has read the public mood. While this is happening expect the government to extend the 25 cents per litre excise holiday, which against the counter factual will increase emissions.
  
  Oh dear. 😆😆😆😆😆😆
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:15am
  - RoboRob
    
    According to https://environment.govt.nz/publications/new-zealands-greenhouse-gas-inventory-1990-2019-snapshot/emissions-trends-by-sector/
    
    The Energy sector makes up ~44% on NZs carbon footprint.
    
    Since Labour / Greens Enegry sector emissions have grown by 20.8%, ‘primarily due to an increase in natural gas-fired and coal-fired electricity generation’.
    
    If labour was to remove Huntly and other gas / coal enegry production sources (i.e. using Nuclear or other) they would reduce NZs emisions by 7 Mt CO2-e. This would be an ~8.5% reduction.
    
    So an option exists to easily beat out targets. The option would not cost the country anything as it could be funded by energy producers and power plants pay for themselves over time. The option (if nuclear was chosen) would result in more reliable power for the country and at a cheaper price.
    
    If we did this we could easily meat our long term targets without govt intervention, as people will eventually upgrade cars etc over time anyway. There is no need to borrow money to subsidise cars for the rich (ev tax credits) and the poor (6-12k car subidy) at the cost to the middle class.
    
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    May 17, 2022 11:03am
    - RoboRob
      
      My apologies. Just realised my maths was wrong. The 8.5% I quote is totally wrong as it was based on removing 20% of the energy sector (7mt).
      
      Actually according to https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions
      
      The energy sector emissions are actually just over 15Mt, so actual reductions would by 15/~80, or almost 19%.
      
      We could go nuclear (or other) and totally forget about doing anything else. We would still meet our targets 🙂
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:18am
      - Hebe123
        
        A nuclear plant will likely be the biggest single station on the system even now the economic scale has reduced. Which means you have to have a second one on standby at all times. Somewhat destroys the economics I suspect.
        
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        May 17, 2022 5:56pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        [No-one knows. mod.]
        
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        May 17, 2022 7:41pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        To Hebe: nuclear submarines have very small reactors (relatively speaking). Why not run 3 or 4 of these?
        
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        May 17, 2022 7:42pm
  - Matt Long
    
    It sounds like they couldn’t get to where they wanted on Climate Change for fear of the revolting peasants. A good outcome really.
    Next concern is the great managers from Labour lite deciding they can implement it better.
    
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    May 17, 2022 12:52pm
  - comm4nder
    
    This whole emissions thing really bugs me.
    Carbon dioxide only absorbs heat at certain well defined frequencies, and those frequencies are saturated. I.e. the existing carbon dioxide already absorbs all the heat available at those frequencies.
    So adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere will have almost no effect because there will be no heat at those frequencies left for the now carbon dioxide molecules to absorb.
    The only effect of more carbon dioxide will be that plants (i.e. food) will grow faster.
    
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    May 17, 2022 3:19pm
- pdm
  
  What a train wreck by Shaw with Hosking this morning.
  
  He gave Klueless Kelvin, Jacinda Ardern and Poto Williams a real run for the title of most `POORLY PREPARED INTERVIEWEE’ ever.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:23am
  - Frank the tank
    
    BMW Jimmy will be within the state sector in a well-paying job within 12 months. He is more Labour than Greens therefore more than happy to be the sacrificial lamb here.
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:30am
    - whostoblame
      
      He won’t be co-leader come 2023 election. Hence the Chloe grooming charade taking place, care of the Taxpayer.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:30am
  - rouppe
    
    Earlier, he was with Ryan Bridges on TV3.
    
    Last question in the interview:
    RB: “What do you drive, Minister?”
    JS: (Something of a pause…) “An EV”
    RB: “Is it a Tesla?”
    JS: “No, a Hyundai”
    RB: “Oh, a Kona? Is that the EV, a Kona”
    JS: (Something of a pause…) “An Ioniq”
    
    It was like pulling teeth. Why couldn’t he just have said a Hyundai Ioniq right from the get go? Clearly uncomfortable that he gets a taxpayer funded $80,000 (or $90,000 if he went for the bigger battery) car
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:36am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So he must have learned to drive recently.
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:15am
  - cas
    
    You would have thought he might have been prepared. Lisa Owen mauled him last night on Checkpoint over the lack of detail and he couldn’t answer her questions at all.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:21am
    - Frank the tank
      
      So did HDPA. You know Heather ain’t impressed when she sighs into the mic…….
      
      I suspect BMW Jimmy knows he’s on his way out to a high paying state sector job so doesn’t give 2 Hillary Barrys…….
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:39am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      It wasn’t that there were details to reveal and discuss and he simply hadn’t learned them. There are NO details so it doesn’t matter how long he prepares for, nada is nada.
      
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      May 17, 2022 12:41pm
  - Simon
    
    When the fuck do I get my free EV? Is a emergency.
    
    The “free” EV will be given to those apartment blocks being built in Auckland where there are only two carparks for the entire building.
    
    They want everyone living in a pod and share one EV between 100 people.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hey Bro, you are the wrong colour, and you are not a bloody refugee
      
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      May 17, 2022 4:34pm
    - 103PapPap
      
      And Worksafe regulations prohibit using extension leads to charge EVs, so they won’t be able to use cheap overnight electricity to charge them!
      
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      May 17, 2022 4:55pm
  - nathie
    
    Shaw didn’t appear to know how much second-hand cars cost (especially the cheaper ones that low and middle income people, or young adults tend to buy – hint say between $3-15k) … yet Shaw (and Jacinda) expect these folks to have a spare $60k lying around to buy a subsidised EV!
    
    Oh and another few grand for a EV charging port?
    
    So Labour and the Greens expect young and low income people to not only scrape together say $200k for a house deposit … they also expect them to have $60k or so as well for an EV????
    
    The elitist and deluded Labour and Greens – out of touch with the wants and needs and hopes and dreams of everyday Kiwi’s!
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:35am
    - Clownworld
      
      They are not out of touch. They know exactly what they are doing. Promising something they know won’t work. They know and don’t care, slaves and the hoi polloi will just have to suck it up. Walk while the elite use the latest tech as they are a better animal.
      
      It is high time people stopped assuming Labour and Greens are out of touch and/or just stupid. They are much worse than that. They are globalist puppets and evil, but managed to con the majority into voting for them.
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      When pressed, he said you could get a second-hand Prius for $5k. Hosking laughed openly so I had a look on TradeMe Motors just now.
      
      There are 797 used Priuses for sale, the cheapest (apart from one from 2011 that has never had the battery replaced and has no photos, and people openly asking if it’s a scam) is listed for $8,795. Only 3 are listed for less than $10k ($9,500 and $9.750) and there are plenty for more than $40k.
      
      Shaw is living on a different planet to the rest of us.
      
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      May 17, 2022 12:46pm
    - Jim
      
      Hi nathie, yep heard the embarrassing stuttering and I’ll informed responses from Shaw’s interview on Hosking, and can only assume he is clueless about the relative vices, virtues and efficiencies of most types of passenger vehicular transport.
      I’ve happily owned a small EV for over two years, and it’s used for local and town driving. However, based on my own experience I foresee a big problem in the newer (intensive) residential developments that have limited garaging or even private parking spaces adjacent to the residence. I have to trickle charge my car only once a week, and simply plug it in whilst parked in my garage. This essential convenience makes EV ownership a pleasure, and vitally will prolong the state of health of the battery.
      
      Most people living in housing situations without a private garage or adjacent parking space will simply not find EV ownership as convenient, especially if they need to always use commercial fast chargers (twice the price of home electricity, and more damaging to the battery cycle life).
      
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      May 17, 2022 6:09pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    He can not be poorly prepared after a lifetime working towards this moment and 5 years as a Minister.
    
    He simply isn’t good at lying.
    
    This plan was not his plan. Labour must have kicked so much back to working groups because of the polls. Now we know why Jacinda didn’t deliver the speech. She said last night she had a sore head and was resting. She too has bailed.
    
    Shaw has done his job and will be gone soon, followed by Jacinda.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    …..and the fuckwit of the year award goes to….. wait for it …..wait for it…..wait for it …… Come on down James Shaw!
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:36am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Waaaay too early to make that call Nick.
      
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      May 17, 2022 12:47pm
      - Nickc2
        
        There’s no one that could be more deserving on the horizon Lodden.
        I listened to that clown on the Hosking Show this morning and asked myself how could such a fuckwit get elected? After a bit of pondering, I arrived at the the conclusion that it must be due to Joe and Jane NZer’s voting apathy eh?
        
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        May 17, 2022 12:52pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Nick of course he’s never been elected to anything (other than the co-leader role that was his due to the simple fact he has a penis). He’s a scum list MP like every other Green except Chloe Swarbrick.
        
        You’re probably right about the award, my point was it will most likely be for something much worse – he still has more than 7 months to go!
        
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        May 17, 2022 3:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Tyhe proble with these media pardy types , and recall they nearly all belong to climate activist coalitions in one form or another , is they are not happy the regime hasn’t gone far enough.
  
  Jack Lame was on HDPA last night and by golly he was very unhappy at not enough being done to destroy the real economy.
  
  Funny thing is the two most distrusted occupations are the ones pushing this crazy shit.
  
  Politicians and journalists .
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:24am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Jack should move to Sri Lanka. Might be good for him to see what society looks like without Fuel.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/sri-lanka-pm-address-crisis-hit-nation-fuel-stocks-run-short-2022-05-16/
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That roils be fine with him, he would mount an elephant
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:02am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Because of Covid I’ve returned to doing a daily quick scan of the NZ MSM, just to see what BS they’re pushing now as Chinese Lung Rot recedes into the dull routine of killing a dozen people a day.
      
      Thus I spotted a NZ Feckless story on Sri Lanka which was reasonably lengthy and not shallow.
      
      But not once did it mention the trigger for all their problems being an idiot President who ruled that their farming was to go 100% organic.
      
      Not one fucking word on that. Ideological shits.
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:36am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Killing a dozen people a day, you say? I seriously sincerely deeply doubt that.
        
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        May 17, 2022 12:48pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Doubt no longer – especially “seriously sincerely deeply”.
        
        Just click on the graph for Daily Deaths, near the bottom of the Worldometer page, and check the “7 day moving average” box.
        
        You’ll see that despite a few days of single figures, the 7-day moving average of daily deaths has been in double digits since March 26.
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:56pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Ah, I see you’ve fallen into the trap of confusing died with Covid and of Covid.
        
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        May 17, 2022 3:33pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I haven’t but I’m going to hold these idiots to their own rules of conflating the two things.
        
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        May 17, 2022 3:48pm
  - Yabster
    
    Jack Lame- wokester of the year- why even give him the time of day?
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:20am
    - Tricati
      
      Jack Tame – the same one who received – TVNZ, Q + A with Jack Tame 2022, 40 x 59 mins episodes, plus a two-hour special of current affairs, $842,200. No wonder he is sucking up to the government.
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:04am
- Scott
  
  Tony, thanks for commenting on this. I would add that this government is spending another $3B on what? More cycleways, a new scheme to pay lower and middle income people $10K to trade in their old gas guzzler for a more efficient vehicle, maybe a hybrid?
  
  How much money do we have that this government can waste it in such folly?
  And the response from our media, holding the powerful to account? Why aren’t we doing more? Aren’t we too slow to the party, shouldn’t we have done this sooner?
  
  What about the vast numbers of people alarmed by the vast ocean of money this government is spending? The strain on farmers by more emissions cut backs? Those people are unrepresented by our media.
  
  As for the likes of me who doubts the science of climate change at all, we’ve got no representation in government or media.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    For that money they could put in decent stop banks at Westport and Greymouth .
    
    But then the tv stations wouldn’t have any footage of “climate change/ sea level rise ” to breathlessly report.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:15am
  - nathie
    
    “And the response from our media”.
    
    Caught a bit of Morning Report, of course the “luuvies” presenting the programme were all for this elitist irresponsible madness of course.
    
    Even their interview expert, Prof. Ralph Sims was disappointed that natural gas installations weren’t banned.
    
    (Is he an example of an “eco-terrorist”, by chance)?
    
    The good Professor also said that when Labour announced the O&G exploration ban back in 2017, that other nations commented on how impressive little ol’ NZ was.
    
    I thought seriously? Said by no international government ever!
    
    Maybe supportive insular group-think responses amongst his climate change peers perhaps?
    
    The good professor said he had an EV – nice for the elites I suppose! No mention of mining precious earth minerals for his EV battery (and slave labour) of course.
    
    Clearly George Orwell was correct when he wrote Animal Farm!
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Forget climate change, New Zealand is steaming into an economic typhoon.
    
    We are heading into soaring inflation, high oil prices, and probably world famines because of the Russia-Ukraine war.
    
    Russia has been the world’s biggest wheat exporter, selling as much overseas as the United States and Canada combined. Russian wheat is off the market with Black Sea shipping cut.
    
    The biggest wheat producers, as opposed to biggest exporters, are China and India. Last Saturday, India banned wheat exports because of a heat wave in March hitting crops. India had expected to export 10 million tonnes this year.
    
    New Zealand imports about 70 per cent of its wheat for human food from Australia, but grows about 100,000 tonnes of milling wheat and 250,000 tonnes of stock-feed wheat.
    
    Australia’s wheat output is likely to decline sharply on the year in the marketing year from October because of fertiliser costs, according to the US Department of Agriculture’s Foreign Agricultural Services. It forecasts a 20 per cent fall in Australian production, from a record 36.3 million tonnes in 2021-2022.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    3 billion? It’s more than 4 billion, the 2.9 billion is for a set of things, there is more to add up to 4.2 billion or there abouts
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The sea level rises for 12 hours a day, then falls 12 hours a day, fact, the leftie fools will work it out one day
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sounds a bit lunatic.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What does ? Are you suggesting the tides are not 12 hour cycles and there are 2 full tides a day? If you are , then that’s lunatic
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:33am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I don’t know where you live, but here in the Bay of Plenty we have very nearly two full tides a day. As an example, high tides for today at Maketu Estuary Entrance (I went fishing from the Kaituna Cut, a kilometre away) are at 7:03 am and 7:40 pm.
        
        The low tides were at 1:30 am and 1:56pm, so there’s on average around 6 1/4 hours between tides, definitely not 12 hours.
        
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        May 17, 2022 12:57pm
      - leoj
        
        Milky’s attempt at humour being that the tides are based on the moon’s influence.
        Moon and lunar – much the same thing derived from the Latin “luna”.
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:44pm
    - TS Child
      
      Changes caused by the moon 😂
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You got it, unlike G the giant.
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:51pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Isn’t there a fisherman involved with one of our current government? Surely s/he could explain this?
    
    I think technically it is more than 12 hours, as high tide times move around each day. But 12 is near enough for this government.
    
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    May 17, 2022 11:03am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Chairman of the CCP smiled. The West was tearing itself apart over so called climate change. It was improverishing its citizens and enriching the Elites. Meanwhile India and ourselves will continue to build coal fired power stations and there is nothing the West can do about it.
  
  In addition he noted the future South East province Left were seeking to divide its citizens along racial lines and the Green Party in the future South West province had picked up on the idea.
  This will not go well. It will weaken their economies. Still if they want to do our work let them get on with it.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:21am
- Steve
  
  Agree, total trainwreck. A Prius for 5k? Really? What really irks me with the whole ‘get low to middle income into a used ev’ narrative is – the sort of money that this demographic can afford will buy them a used EV with a battery that is almost at is useful life – which means they will have to turn around a borrow thousands buying a replacement battery, so buy a car that is worthless. And, what happens to the old battery? Keep drinking the kool-aid JS.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:30am
  - Paulus
    
    I am told that a little Prius battery can be changed for abut $8,000.
    BUT what happens to the old ones as they cannot be re charged, and nobody will say what is to happen to them.
    There are NO facilities yet for their ?destruction.
    So into the landfill ?
    
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    May 17, 2022 1:19pm
- Maxx
  
  And what will the costs be of the 2/3’s of plan/no plans – $2.9B planned now. Is there a lid on what these future plans will be able to cost? What metrics will they have to work to?
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Plans to make other plans about plans for new plans?
  Bit like an announcement about an announcement to make a future announcement
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:36am
  - Bridgenag
    
    An ardernism then
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:18am
mikenmildagain

One hundred years ago today: Bishop James Liston found not guilty of sedition at the supreme court in Auckland.
Liston was prosecuted for a St Patrick’s Day speech where he attacked the recent treaty ending the Anglo-Irish War, saying the 1916 rebels had been ‘murdered by foreign troops’, and predicting full independence in the future.
The all-protestant jury acquitted him, but delivered a message that Liston had committed a ‘grave indiscretion’.
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May 17, 2022 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  The rebels declared they had assistance from “gallant allies in Europe” ( the Germans) and the first people murdered by them were ordinary working class Dubliners and unarmed policemen.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did someone ever promise a bloodless revolution? Do you think the English would ever have granted Ireland independence without a war?
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:38am
    - cmm
      
      Some of us seem to love bloody revolutions, so long as it is someone else’s blood.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:45am
  - James Stephenson
    
    “gallant allies in Europe”
    
    Who are still trying to make trouble in Ireland today.
    
    Fun fact: 0.5% of all EU trade crosses the Irish border but 20% of all EU customs checks are carried out on that traffic.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:38am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Based on the very good border TV show (Stop, Search, Seize I think it’s called), it’s a good thing they have a strong customs border check regime.
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:00pm
- peterwn
  
  And guess who pressed the Government of the day to prosecute the Archbishop – The Herald and some guy Gunson who was mayor of Auckland at the time.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:35am
  - MCōs
    
    Not just some guy. He was mayor for ten years.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:27am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      So what? Len “Pants Down” Brown was Mayor of Auckland for 6 years and is deserving of no credit whatsoever. Tenure does not = respect.
      
      Sir Dove-Meyer Robinson, on the other hand, deserves all the praise that comes his way.
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There were some nasty groups around at the time, like the Protestant Political Association, or Lady Stout’s Anti-German League.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:42am
    - Swifty
      
      Hang the Kaiser!
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:09am
- MCōs
  
  The trial was a sensation at the time, but is almost forgotten these days.
  It was highly political and would be inconceivable in this day.
  I wonder what would have happened if he’d been found guilty?
  http://www.nzjh.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1997/NZJH_31_2_10.pdf
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Peter Fraser was convicted of sedition for making a speech against conscription in 1916.
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/future-prime-minister-peter-fraser-charged-with-sedition
  
  Peter Fraser reintroduced conscription for WW2.
  Ormond Burton – who had served heroically in WW1 was the last man in NZ to be convicted of sedition after he wrote an anti-war poem in 1940.
  
  Labour forever muzzling Free speech.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0706/S00384.htm?from-mobile=bottom-link-01
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So it’s different when the left do it, right back at WII
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:04am
  - Simon
    
    “Peter Fraser reintroduced conscription for WW2.”
    
    What a turd. He would have known that logistically all the soldiers could not be equipped properly or deployed. Conscription was just war theatre.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:14am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      NZ conscripted labour for both military and civilian (‘manpowered’) work.
      I’ve not seen it argued anywhere that NZ mobilised more military personnel than could be used, although from 1943 on a fair number had to be returned to civilian occupations to ensure that our agricultural and industrial commitments could be met.
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Are you still going to claim that Fraser acted maliciously against Burton because he was jealous of the latter’s heroism in the First world War?
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:44am
Tomtoddy

The Emissions Reduction Plan. Another plan to make plans. Massive win for all the consultant leeches lurking in the Wellington corridors for their $1,500 – $1,800 a day

Heaps of Māori inputs sought so the few elites already in the trough will be drooling. The Government has designed a belt and braces scheme. It is an ETS plus a swath of subsidies, demands, regulations. If you have a good serviceable belt, you don’t need braces. In this case the braces interfere with the effectiveness of the belt. A sensible ETS is all that is needed. The bevy of controls is added because socialist totalitarians must control. They can’t keep their sticky hands off the levers.

So we have a hotpotch of measures, some contradictory, all aimed at managing our lives down to the nth degree.

Meanwhile China commissions three new coal fired power stations this week.

Meanwhile nature does what nature does, cycles the changes to weather and climate hour by hour and century by century.
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May 17, 2022 8:05am
- kevn
  
  @Tom… Saving the planet, one EV at a time.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:07am
  - cmm
    
    EV bumper sticker: “My tailpipe is in Huntly”.
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:47am
    - Ehlana
      
      I liked the bumper sticker I saw recently on an ICE car – “I identify as a Prius”.
      
      Give out enough stickers and we’ll all be driving “EV”s at very little cost.
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:06am
- kowtow
  
  Ah China coal .
  
  ‘China’s daily coal output in April jumped 11 per cent from the same month a year earlier, boosted by Beijing’s order to increase supply to ensure security of the country’s energy supply, but the volume dropped from a record high set in March.’
  
  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/chinas-april-coal-output-leaps-11-year-demand-downturn-looms-2687461
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:17am
  - All_on_Red
    
    India is also increasing consumption from 777m tonnes per year to 1.2 billion tonnes.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:02am
- Simon
  
  “Meanwhile China commissions three new coal fired power stations this week.”
  
  The globalist want a war with China over climate change. Look at the heaving climate crack pots out of Wellington. Agents for the globalists, NZ is very second in this agenda. War with China as China refuses to be assimilated.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:59am
mikenmildagain

Also, Happy World Hypertension Day!
Comment if you wish – no pressure.
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May 17, 2022 8:06am
- Frank the tank
  
  A fair bit of hyper tension in the Gayford/Ardern household Mikey.
  
  Our Glorious Leader is not happy Clarke got the ‘pox’ by hanging out with the plebs and making her feel like shit for her US Holiday.
  
  She was looking forward to partying without a face nappy.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:10am
  - stewmar
    
    Frank, quite frankly a face nappy improves Arderns looks significantly
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    More like she got it on purpose so she can go on one last jaunt on the tax payer
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:06am
    - nathie
      
      Probably needed a week off uninterrupted to prepare her Harvard speech with her script writers (and a choreographer to elegantly practice her hand waving technique)??? 😉
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:57am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    she’ll have to do all her job interviews on zoom now
    
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    May 17, 2022 4:45pm
- bjools
  
  Mind how ya go with the jokes, but thanks for highlighting, the very thing that killed my wife.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t want to bore you with a list of my own prescription drugs, but humour is very often the best medicine.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Before medication, one morning feelin well and went to work. Told the boss my blood pressure at 7am was 224/121. He said ‘to high’ and actually took me to my Doctor (would not let me drive. I don’t know the whole difference between high BP and Hypertension, but It is under control. 120/72 this morning. So happy no Hypertension day to me
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:13am
  - Don Beckett
    
    At 224/121 you should have been dead.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:29am
    - pdm
      
      My first thought when I read it too DB.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:43am
    - Inandout
      
      Don, some home machines need calibrating regularly.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is actually close to the readings from the Doctor, and the reading I get when at home straight after.
        Sure $129 machine, but it is on the mark.
        
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        May 17, 2022 2:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I guess my overall fitness helped, if I was overweight, high colesterol, and smoker, I would have karked it.
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Omron Sem 1 Blood Pressure Monitor. 7an every day.
        
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        May 17, 2022 11:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’ve got an Omron too, Steve. Doctor was surprised how accurate it was.
        
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        May 17, 2022 5:11pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        There ya go. Steve & Mikey, Omron bros!
        
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        May 17, 2022 7:52pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

A great explanation as to why the current push for EV’s may not be the best thing for the climate in the short term, and while driving an EV now, may actually produce MORE carbon than a petrol vehicle until they get a whole lot better at making batteries.

Remember, that this speech is also from an EV supporter!
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May 17, 2022 8:07am
- G152
  
  They have to learn and this lesson is going to be
  a} Expensive
  and
  b} Expensive
  And those who passed this set of crazy laws will be noticably missing
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Remember she did something here , might have been closing down oil and gas before she went to the vulgar UN and stated climate change is her generations nuclear free moment, if she used her head she would use nuke power here, no bloody emissions
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:08am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I think I also read on kiwiblog that the EV cars do more damage to the roads than petrol vehicles because they are heavier
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:17pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  When people say – “EV – get one they are so much better for the planet”, my response usually is how much are they better for the climate for when they mine the lithium, product the batteries at factory and then at the end of their life where do they go? to the EV battery heaven? How do they dispose of them. Until someone can prove the whole process of an EV from the start to end of life is a true environmentally sustainable process then i wont go there.
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:22pm
Benedict Yu

After 5 years working on an emissions reduction plan we got a cash for clunkers scheme and a few hundred million in corporate welfare to companies to switch out their coal fired boilers. Plus hundreds of millions to figure out how to reduce cow methane.

No ban on petrol powered cars, no taxes, no axing of cows, no free public transport. And even the cash for clunkers is a 2500 car pilot. 🤡🤡🤡🤡 My theory is they have learned from kiwi build. Don’t launch a 100000 car mega cash for clunkers project because it will be a disaster. 😆😆

Anyway that’s what you get for 5 years work. Benedict was surprisingly relieved and Russel Norman is mad as hell. Says it all. 😂

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/emissions-reduction-plan-greenpeace-says-agriculture-getting-away-scot-free.html

This stuff won’t do much for emissions. If the government was serious about emissions , it would actively discourage long haul tourists from ever returning to New Zealand. All those air miles. But of course it is all just theatre.

Anyway by the time it is obvious that this stuff is useless, these politicians will be long gone.

Anyway I’m getting in the 2002 Celica and heading out for coffee. 😀😀😀😀
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May 17, 2022 8:09am
- Frank the tank
  
  With the government’s support resembling the outgoing tide before a tsunami did you expect anything different Ben. I didn’t.
  
  BMW Jimmy is already done as a co-leader of the Greens and likely has a well paying state-funding job lined up with Te Reo Luxon’s blessing so was happy to take the fall for this.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why the hell are we renting cars for the bins of society, what’s the vet they go to bloody refugees
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:09am
- zulumonster
  
  BY: “Plus hundreds of millions to figure out how to reduce cow methane.”
  There has already been a lot of research and trials done by NZ Ag scientists on genetically modified rye grass that has the potential to reduce cow methane output by up to 20% . Of course GM is not acceptable to the Greens so all the real trials have to be done overseas – they are actually slowing down progress in a really promising area.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:15am
- greybeard
  
  I reckon that the Emissions Reduction scheme is just another diversion to take the public’s mind off the coming economic disaster.
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:07am
Maggie Pie

FB TRENDING

‘You cannot destroy a country as fast as Ardern has destroyed New Zealand….unless it’s on purpose’

https://twitter.com/Dame_Jane/status/1526271146836258816

What planet is she on??
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May 17, 2022 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  From that thread … They Call Me 007
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks, I was trying to get that but got a log in message. I want it for Facebook.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:26am
- kowtow
  
  Merkel , declared by the Media Pardy to be the most powerful frau in der welt , did the same to Germany .
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:19am
- nathie
  
  Wot, people are commentating that she is a clichéd imposter, and getting away with saying that nowadays?
  
  Thank goodness Mallard isn’t in charge of censorship in this country (or the Police riot squads, he’d probably send them around in a jiffy)!
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:52am
krazykiwi

Used a Wellington commuter train this morning. My carriage had not less than 18 “Sign in to stop the virus!” posters.

Why? They are an obsolete memorial to our collective naivety.

Time they went, along with everyone’s fear-narrative perpetuating favourite, masks.
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May 17, 2022 8:12am
- rouppe
  
  Had an overnight stay in a Wellington private hospital last night. Not surgical.
  
  Masks getting pretty optional.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:28am
- pdm
  
  kk – I notice it is mostly over 80’s that sign in these days.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:29am
  - peterwn
    
    Preservation on their part. Getting Covid when over 80 can be a death warrant for them.
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:37am
    - Observer of Life
      
      But signing in isn’t going to save their life though Peterwn.
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:23am
      - peterwn
        
        Why?
        
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        May 17, 2022 5:09pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Over 80! Anything can be a death warrant.
      Too much shagging(heart attack)
      Too much eating
      Too much laughing
      Too much, near any damn thing
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:29am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I’m 80 next week, and still fit & free 🙂
        Do plenty of laughing, moderate eating, and no shagging. 😆
        
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        May 17, 2022 10:45am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Drink too much water = water toxemia. Very often fatal.
        
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        May 17, 2022 10:57am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes – dihydrogen oxide should be banned. (I think that’s how they spell it). Or is monoxy-dihydrogen ?
        
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        May 17, 2022 11:44am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      So can flu. Covid is irrelevant in that scenario.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I thought Covid eradicated influenza?
        //
        
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        May 17, 2022 10:29am
    - Hebe123
      
      So can life
      
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      May 17, 2022 6:18pm
- Prince
  
  They are probably holding the carriage together.
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:16pm
- alloytoo
  
  Did the posters outnumber the passengers?
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:59pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I am reliably informed that three months ago, the answer would have been yes.
    
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    May 17, 2022 1:16pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/draft-of-ny-redistricting-map-absolutely-brutal-for-dems

For your eyes Bat. Seems the Dems gerrymandering was so bad even the courts booted it out.
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May 17, 2022 8:18am
surfing

Who’d be a residential landlord with a co-owner govt that dictates rent but does not contribute to costs?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/300589943/auckland-landlords-tried-to-use-tax-change-to-justify-80-rent-increase
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May 17, 2022 8:21am
- artemisia
  
  According to the article the government has closed a tax loophole. That would be the loophole that removes interest as an expense against income. Unlike every other business.
  
  Not to worry, tenants have had the proposed increase pretty much shredded. Time for owners to place it on the market and issue tenants with a termination notice.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:55am
- kevn
  
  @surfing… and the recent story of the owner of a block of flats leased for social housing who now can’t get insurance for them.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:44am
Maggie Pie

Elon has a message for Parag this morning…..

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526246899606601730

My partner reckons Elon very clearly has no interest in purchasing Twitter anymore.
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May 17, 2022 8:27am
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah trying to drive the price down a tad. Almost exclusively happens during any due diligence I have been involved in.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:32am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Maybe not Maggie, alternatively, he is driving the price down. Twitter has been shorted by Hindenburg on the expectation that Musk won’t pay his current offer for the company. They’ve priced Twitter at $31 without Musk’s deal! Wouldn’t that be a blood bath?
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:33am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I think Elon has lifted the putrid veneer that has for years kept Twitter a sounding board for wokes and decided to walk away. On the plus side Twitter’s shares will tank and the company with go down like a pricked balloon.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:36am
  - mawm
    
    It’ll cost him $1 billion to walk away from the deal.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:04am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Chump change for Elon
      
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      May 17, 2022 7:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean picked the scab off and found a festering sore?
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:37am
    - cmm
      
      Found is not really the word. Exposed would be better.
      
      He already knew the sore was there.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Same as Trump did in 2016.
        
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        May 17, 2022 11:22am
- cmm
  
  When you have the sway Musk does, you can own Twitter (or anything for that matter) without actually buying it.
  
  I don’t think he really intends to buy it. Just threatening to buy it can cause the crazies there to pull their heads in.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:51am
Maxx

Michael Wood states that “…the only reason the proposal had come to the attention of the UN’s International Labour Organisation was because BusinessNZ had made a formal complaint about the plans focused at supporting low-paid workers.” A real Scooby Doo moment where he would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those pesky kids.

Isn’t that the same as “the only reason the police knew of a breakin was because it was reported to them” – it is typical of how this Government views crime and the contempt of those who do not agree with their world view.

So Mr. Wood, do you welcome the review by the ILO as there are no breaches of international labour treaties? Will you amend the FPAs based on any critiques that are made? Or are you freely willing to break these and, by extension, other treaties? How can we or anyone in the world have confidence in what NZ inc. will do in the future?
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May 17, 2022 8:28am
- cmm
  
  It’s a recurring theme amongst those with no morals: everything is OK so long as you can get away with it.
  
  It’s no different really than a long list of corruption that we see from:
  * Fingergate
  * Accepting massive gifts form “friends” such as the use of a billionaire’s mansion as a wedding venue.
  * Jimmies constant flying to tell us how evil we are for thinking about an overseas holiday.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:57am
  - Maxx
    
    So, if I rob someone of all of their possessions, kill them, burn down their (now stripped out house), leaving no trace or anything to link it to me behind, then it’s all biscuits and beers.
    
    Gaia will not only forgive, but is approving of my guile because I am returning to the land what was taken from her/he/it/them.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    The Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not get caught.
    
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    May 17, 2022 11:46am
- Tricati
  
  Is Michael Wood not the most odious little man going in the government. His constant sarcastic responses would indicate a high self-opinion of grandiose proportions. He can’t stand being held to account over Transport cock-ups (lack of performance and excessive spending etc), so attacks the man as he did to Simeon Brown over 0 signs. In summary, as nasty piece of work.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    He must always be remembered for describing fellow citizens as feral , in his notorious River of Filth speech.
    
    Talk about “othering” and exclusion , not to mention such derogatory rhetoric etc ( feel free in include all the “isms” that the prog media , hashtag types wudda used had it been a “Tory” talking of fellows they don’t like.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:26am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Future leadership material apparently. Him or the Tainui Princess.
    
    Te Reo will have 20yrs as PM if that is the best they have post the opening pair.
    
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    May 17, 2022 11:24am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      He’s a Labour shoo-in
      
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      May 17, 2022 8:00pm
  - Prince
    
    The good news is that Labour hierarchy see Wood as a future leader.
    He is odious and deeply unpopular with his staff – we should promote him at every opportunity.
    
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    May 17, 2022 12:14pm
  - Maxx
    
    In many ways it’s not his fault – his place in the party is only there because he does what he is told, toes the party line with vigor, and doesn’t care of what he says is factually wrong or he disagrees with it, as long as it keeps him moving forward towards his goals. A complete narsasisst would be my guess.
    
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    May 17, 2022 12:56pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    To be fair Simeon Brown’s criticism of the $10k cost for two zeroes was perhaps a little hasty.
    
    Bear in mind that they serve a dual purpose – not only as virtue signalling for the mythical “Zero road toll’ but also as great props to remind us what Michael Wood and Potato Williams have achieved, when they posed with them.
    
    To be honest I was astonished that they were made for a different purpose, so you know, two birds with one stone and all that.
    
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    May 17, 2022 1:18pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Do you have a link?
  As we have registered complaints with ILO In regards too NZs handling of Seafarers.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:48am
- Paulus
  
  Watch as Wood will be Labour Leader by the end of this year.
  He is the Union’s favourite.
  And Tane Mahuta as Deputy as she and her family have control of the powerful Maori Caucus.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hope it happens. That odious bastard will take Labour below 20%.
    
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    May 17, 2022 1:03pm
Benedict Yu

It gets even worse.

Just hear a guy talking to Mike Hosking. He said he was on a working group that had been designing the cash for clunkers scheme. Apparantly the target market is people earning under $50,000 annually. They will get $11,000 to buy a new EV and need to find the rest.

This guy asks the public servant how people on low incomes are going to find the extra 40 – 50 k to buy the EV. The response was “they can borrow it from finance companies”.

This thing will go down the Kiwibuild road 🙂
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May 17, 2022 8:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That is comedy gold.
  And from a government that pretends to be serious.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:40am
- Hebe123
  
  Gosh with 3 year mortgage rates at about 6%, finance company rates will be closer to 20% won’t they?
  
  20% of 40000 = 8 k per year. Post tax. How does someone on less than 50k come up with that. Just to pay the interest. I can fill my 1.8 litre car for $110 at present, so that’s well more than a tank a week at current prices for just the interest on an ev.
  
  Does nobody in govt even do some basic sanity check calcs?
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:44am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    They’re all Arts graduates.
    
    Do they count? As if.
    
    In more ways than one.
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:02pm
- Paulus
  
  When it won’t work who are they going to call to refill it, and when they do not have the money to pay for the call out and ?charge ?
  On the Southern Motorway perhaps
  It would not be fair to say that once they have the EV who will sell it on the second market in the pub perhaps.
  Do they have a safe place to fix a charging point and who will pay about $2,500 to install it in a safe place.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:46am
  - Sacha
    
    It just occurred to me – how much does it cost to recharge your EV? Surely it can’t be free.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:56am
    - Jim
      
      Sacha, Indicative costs:
      A $15k Mk1 Leaf with 20Kwh battery will cost up to $3 at home or $5 at a commercial fast charger (range 110km)
      A $40k BMW i3 with 33Kwh battery will cost up to $5 at home and $8 at a commercial fast charger (range 210km).
      A $70k Mk2 Leaf with 62Kwh battery will cost up to $10 at home and $16 at a commercial fast charger (range 350km)
      
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      May 17, 2022 7:30pm
- westernScientist
  
  Wow, so government funded debt traps for people on low incomes. Labour really are ‘kind’
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ardern and Labour are the least “kind and caring” government I have come across in my life. They really are an abomination, a group of fake, sound bite addled, plastic people without an ounce of genuine compassion for others. Pure political animals and narcissists.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Any problem is sorted by ‘Will it get votes yes/no’
      That is all they are interested in.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:45am
    - curry4me
      
      I agree. Do you have a list of their bad points?
      
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      May 17, 2022 12:47pm
- ecco
  
  This is just another redistribution policy. Hugely irresponsible. Who’s going to actually police whether these people use the money on buying an Ev. Also to operate an Ev you have to have a brain and a garage to charge your Ev, or else you will run out of power on the motorway. Fortunately these people were only ever going to vote Labour. That’s unless they are targeting the millennial vote with these bribes. A lot of millennials seem to vote green I’ve noticed.
  What I’m worried about is labour mobilising large swathes of South Auckland type communities to vote for them. Would only take bribes of tax payer money of a couple of thousand $$ to get them out to vote.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s why the Media Pardy were so happy in therun up to this announcement of an announcement as it was touted to be all about “equity” with plenty of dosh for Maoris who apparently are particlarly vulnerable to the weather etc
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:29am
  - Paulus
    
    A South Auckland Mayor is also on the cards in October, as Goff swans off to London.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:27am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Student fees bought a lot of mobile phones and beat up cars. Does any student pay anything back? Just asking
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:30am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Bridge: Well my oldest has started paying the student loan back. It’s automatic if you admit to the IRD you have it
      
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      May 17, 2022 9:44pm
- cmm
  
  Do they even make people mover EVs with three space-saver tyres?
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:58am
- [email protected]
  
  The 40,000 or so EVs currently in New Zealand represent about 1% of the vehicles on the road.
  
  To get to the point of having EVs represent 30% of the vehicles we would have to import about 1.2 million EVs. Not likely to happen.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Where do you get 40,000 EVs from ?
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:28am
    - [email protected]
      
      According to MoT as of March 2022 there were 38,117 EVs in New Zealand and 3,3M light vehicles total.
      
      https://www.eeca.govt.nz/insights/eeca-insights/electric-vehicles-and-aotearoa/#:~:text=EV%20uptake%20in%20New%20Zealand&text=38%2C117%20
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is the type of rationale-free thinking that passes for governance these days.
  
  I have relatively junior, but smart people in my team who if you put them in a room to brainstorm this would take less than ten minutes to establish that there would be no positive outcomes from the initiative, but a laundry-list of ways to game it.
  
  This is quintessential Green thinking: Blind ideology justified with fabricated ‘facts’ and ignoring any contrary realities.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    Isn’t the real aim to create something that superficially sounds like a good idea, but is easy to game?
    
    Perhaps what we see as failing is really achieving their true goals.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:20am
- kevn
  
  @BY… add the cost of a charge point.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:29am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  What? You mean the 3rd tier finance companies that the Government has been trying to legislate out of existence?
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:38am
- Maxx
  
  Social engeering at it’s finest and not understood in slightest.
  
  What is the age of cars they buy now? (10 yrs old)
  WHat is the typcial price of cars they buy now? ($15k)
  How do we ensure that it 10 years they can get a reasonable EV that will provide the features that they need at that price point?
  
  The answer is (and it comes across as corporate welfare) further subsidize fleets of the types of vehicles that will likely be in demand (smaller sedans, hatchbacks, small people movers, etc.) with the proviso that they have a programme to ensure that low income families have the best access to but these and the end of fleet life.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:46am
- Harry Knuts
  
  this is truly sad – pretty much the conclusion Shaw gave on the AM how today – they can finance it. I can just see the loan sharks out south auckland rubbing their hands in anticipation of the huge interest they’ll make. Greens/Labour really haven’t thought this through.
  
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  May 17, 2022 4:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m in the market for a new/newish set of wheels.

I’m not in the market for an EV.

Should I buy a good new petrol car now… or wait a year or so when all the trendies ditch their perfectly decent gas guzzlers for a subsidised EV?
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May 17, 2022 8:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The problem is that if this scheme worked at scale, the cost of used petrol powered cars would go up. A lot. Because the “perfectly decent gas guzzlers” are crushed in exchange for the EV. You can’t sell them to someone.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:56am
  - kevn
    
    @BY… and there a problem with Jap imports now due to new clean car gummint regulations. So NZ used car stock is going to be out of kilter for some time.
    The under 50k income folk are going to get screwed.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:26am
  - CJames
    
    Aren’t they going to have problems getting EVs here because of that shipping fire in the Atlantic has affected shipping charges? Maybe Master Mariner know the latest.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:39am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      CJ
      
      I am a Retired Master Mariner. Mitsui OSK, one of the world’s largest car carriers, has lost TWO ships to Battery Fires and there have been several other Cos that have lost ships and crew members.
      
      Mitsui have said they will NOT carry them and Marine Underwriters will not insure them.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:02am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Ill have a look and post latter CJ.
      2 major Car carriers have openly declined to transport EVs which in itself is a major blow. Im picking being leaned on by Insurers until Classification Societies finalise new rules and regulations.
      In a nutshell they determine if vessels are fit for purpose for the intended cargo. Ie EVs.
      A lot of work being done in the back ground.
      Give us a few days as still at sea.
      Cheers MM
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:04am
      - Ohm my
        
        Just EVs, or PHEVs too?
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:00pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Ohm my I believe anything with large/many lithium batteries.
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:21pm
- cmm
  
  I was thinking along similar lines with replacing a 420,000 km 27 year old diesel I have.
  
  Should I dump it now or wait?
  
  It might be worth waiting until 2023/4 when National likely comes to power.
  
  Unfortunately the new woke National might not reverse Labour policies, just implement them more effectively.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:02am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Don’t dump it! Pre 2000’s diesel engines are far more reliable and actually sell for a premium compared to more recent more fragile high pressure common rail diesels.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:48am
    - glowworm
      
      Agreed. Have just replaced a camshaft and followers in a modern Skoda diesel. Was either do it myself, or write off the entire car. Going well now though and can get under 5ltr/100km driving conservatively around Welly…
      
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      May 17, 2022 2:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Now, now, don’t be hasty.
    The old girl has probably got another 50,000 or so kms left in her.
    
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    May 17, 2022 9:56am
    - cmm
      
      Exactly right. There are at least 2 years left in it which is why waiting until 2024 is still on the table.
      
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      May 17, 2022 10:52am
  - mawm
    
    cmm – they don’t make cars like that anymore. According to my mechanic just about every manufacturer has embraced the VW disease – the cars last to just beyond their warranty.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    420K is only just run in!
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:50am
- nathie
  
  Hehe, do you want to make a “statement” (like with the neighbors, or the coffee group ladies or even as a two fingered salute to the govt)?
  
  If so check these out!
  
  https://tanks-alot.co.uk/military-vehicles-for-sale/
  
  (Added bonus, parking at the supermarket is never a problem! If peeps don’t move out of your way, have hubby pop out of a hatch with a loudhailer threatening to “squash ’em”)!
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:10am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m drooling!
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:08pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  go hybrid and if you have time up your sleeve go hydrogen. You will need a bit of time though for hydrogen as they still have to build the refueling stations – i think only 2 in the country at the moment.
  
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  May 17, 2022 4:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Out in Maori TV Land, the push is on for co-governance.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/05/experts-explain-what-co-governance-is-and-why-new-zealanders-shouldn-t-be-afraid-of-it.html
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May 17, 2022 8:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She came from planet Claire, she came from planet Claire
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:36am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Follow the money Maggie always follow the money. And in this case the money trail leads away from Non Maori to Maori Elites. Not the every day Maori. Only the Elites.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:46am
- nathie
  
  So no “balance”? Only Tukoroirangi Morgan (representing the Left) and the “wet” Ben Thomas (pretending he is representing the Right)?
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The issue is they say that people are against it because they don’t understand it. What arrogant rubbish!
  
  I am against it because it diminishes my democratic rights, giving them to unelected tribal elites instead. It takes away my ability to enforce accountability over assets I have a stake in.
  
  It is anti-democratic trash and needs to be treated as such.
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Quite apart from the myriad other concerns right-thinking people have about this grand plan, I’ve noticed recently that residents and citizens of New Zealand have been split into “New Zealanders” and Maori.
  
  I thought we were all New Zealanders! In fact, wasn’t there a founding document, the treaty of something or other, that 500 Maori chiefs signed, immediately following which Governor Hobson declared “Now we are one people”?
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

And STILL no decision from ‘The Immigration & Protection Tribunal’ as to whether violent Czech drug-smuggler Karel Sroubeck is going to be deported?

They’ve only got one job….how hard is it ffs!
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May 17, 2022 8:47am
- Frank the tank
  
  Knows too much Mags…….knows too much.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Look Mr Sroubeck, all we need from you is a signed ‘non-disclosure’ agreement, and your little black book of contacts, and you’ll be able to stay”
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thought he was already going to be deported when his sentence was finished, is it not the courts we are waiting on? Or is he holding something over Cindy that will have him say she told him it’s all sorted and you are a citizen, is this why she has been riding for 6 weeks, soon yo be 8 or 9
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He knows where the bodies are.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:52am
- Harry Knuts
  
  deport him – thug, scum, burden on tax payer and to top it off fraudulent too!
  
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  May 17, 2022 4:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear..

All you white folks have been morally panicking again.

When criminologist Juan Tauri saw news items on recent ramraids sold as a “youth crime spree”, his first thought was “here we go”.

“This is white material for classic moral panic,” said the deputy director of University of Auckland’s Public Policy Institute.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/128656032/moral-panic-over-ramraids-exacerbates-the-problem-experts-say

Bugger the fact that it’s often Asian-owned small businesses that are being targeted.

It’s all to be expected… It’s natural for teens to be out of control, it seems.

Young people have always been picked on, she said.

“They’re not problematic youth, they’re just youth.”
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May 17, 2022 9:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  “They’re not problematic youth, they’re just youth.”
  
  Because in Tauri’s warped view of the world, normal youths spend their evenings driving heavy machinery into retail plate glass windows and enthusiastically looting?
  
  We pay this idiot’s salary 🙁
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What would a 12 ton digger do to a bollard?
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    It’s not just youth either. It’s tweenies too.
    Youth are 15-24, many of the crims are way younger than that.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:56am
- fernglas
  
  He’s right in the sense that copycat crime has been around for yonks, and can be fuelled by media and public concern, but to suggest, as he does later in the article, that the only people who get upset about it are elderly white people and the only ones who commit it are young brown people is both racist and plain stupid.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:32am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I was talking the other day to a local dairy owner who had been ram raided three times. The place looks like a fortress now.
    I got the impression that he was more than a little upset about the raids.
    And, Rikesh doesnt fit into any of the demographics Mr Tauri demonises.
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:30am
  - Prince
    
    Yes I found the claim that this is white people being afraid of brown people strange. I’ve heard no suggestion that ram raids are being performed by brown people.
    That comment was made by a criminologist, Sarah Monod de Froideville (yes, really).
    Is this just a disgusting slur against our Tangata Whenua by a smug white academic ?
    I demand an apology immediately.
    
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    May 17, 2022 12:06pm
- Local Miller
  
  I was a youth once. Our idea of having mischievous fun was to play “tok tokie” – Knock on someone’s door and run and hide, then watch them come answer the door and, get cross because there was no one there. I don’t recall stealing cars and ram raiding shops to steel booze and ciggies.
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:27pm
Tauhei Notts

I heard Hosking and Jimmy Two Mums on radio this morning. Since then I have been trying to remember when was the last time a cabinet minister was so thoroughly and totally skewered in a radio interview.
Any suggestions?
My wife says that this Sunday’s Media Watch on National Socialist Radio will be hilarious as they try to defend the indefensible.
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May 17, 2022 9:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You want to hear HDA skewer them regularly at night, Williams, Verral, and even the pathetic Hipkins
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:46am
- leoj
  
  …and then there’s KB mod inconsistency….
  Yesterday, I used the “Two Mums” line and my comment was deleted.
  Probably by Batman.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:33am
Maggie Pie

I really hope that when Labour introduce their ‘Cash-for-Clunkers’ policy, they give first priority to Maori & Pasifika.

Just saying.
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May 17, 2022 9:06am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Are your friends at the tennis club as openly racist as you?.
  Just saying.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly milkey…..you are SUCH a f**king twat!! 😀
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:21am
    - Yabster
      
      is this twit Ross also Milkey? how many logins does one socialist need?
      
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      May 17, 2022 11:29am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        5 or 6 now
        
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        May 17, 2022 1:27pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Maggie- Come on don’t throw a big sook on me just because I threw your bigotry straight back in your face.
      In a funny kind of way I’m starting to warm to your low rent stupidity on here and if your really nice to me I might even stay longer than planned.
      
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      May 17, 2022 1:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maggie Pie, some key words in here!
        
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        May 17, 2022 3:00pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        missing – ‘otahuhu’
        
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        May 17, 2022 3:59pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Aren’t we all in your little world…..
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is the ‘truth’ censored?
    
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    May 17, 2022 10:57am
bjools

The saving of the planet in the budget?
An angle they didn’t think of.
We won’t have to fly to a 3rd world country, emitting all those gases, for a holiday…..we’ll be living in one.
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May 17, 2022 9:09am
- cmm
  
  Except, of course, Cindy can go to USA to pick up her honourary doctorate and Jimmy can fly to his green meetings to tut-tut about our sins.
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Matthew Tukaki, executive chairman of the National Maori Authority, is one of the new and powerful faces on the Government appointment scene.

But who does he really represent?

The Māori Council has raised questions about a government contract of nearly a million dollars that was transferred from the council to the National Māori Authority by Matthew Tukaki — with the council saying he didn’t have authority to sign for it when the transfer was made because his role had lapsed after last year’s elections.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/authority-of-government-contract-questioned
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May 17, 2022 9:11am
- Frank the tank
  
  This is the one individual more than any else I hope gets shafted by any incoming National/Act government.
  
  Right up there with Mallard in terms of my dislike.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:21am
- Cassandra
  
  Matthew Tukaki.
  
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  May 17, 2022 9:22am
- nathie
  
  Looking forward to Tukaki dissing the Māori Council in his defence – perhaps he could call them “racist” as that usually works! 😉
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:02am
- Swifty
  
  What a bloody mess.
  
  I wouldn’t put that bloke in charge of a sausage sizzle.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Didn’t Tutaki lose his job at some Māori named government organisation? Replaced the day after his vulgar smear to the lovely Tania Tapsell who made him look like a silly cry baby fool
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:49am
- I remember when
  
  Matthew Tukaki, according to his Wikipedia page, has been heavily associated with business and anti-corruption.
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahahahahaha
    
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    May 17, 2022 4:43pm
ecco

Ardern would have been better off funding more car share schemes like mevo and city hop than giving out $11k Ev handouts /bribes to their voter base who would already vote for them. I’ve used both schemes and they are actually very convenient and get cars off the road. Especially mevo where you can park the car anywhere within a zone.

Many of these low socioeconomic types won’t even have a garage in which to charge their Ev. As someone said these people will probably just flick their Ev once they’ve got the grant and pocket the cash for the TAB and smokes.
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May 17, 2022 9:36am
ecco

I see Ardern and Labours polls tanking too much hence them canning the city congestion charges. Par for the course.
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May 17, 2022 9:39am
Maggie Pie

Diversionary tactics?

Getting the feeling something big is about to go down 🙁

https://twitter.com/NanaiaMahuta/status/1525969882495430656
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May 17, 2022 9:39am
- Frank the tank
  
  The Tainui Princess from some accounts is starting to run the numbers should our Glorious Leader hit the eject button.
  
  The Maori Squad don’t like Poor Man’s Gordon Brown apparently. Especially Steamboat Willy J.
  
  I’ve said it before every day Te Reo Luxon appears to sprout another rainbow from his ass. Judith must be wondering why she agreed to lead the party during the hardest part of the election cycle……..
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:31am
- Nickc2
  
  independent, transparent and thorough investigation
  That’s an anathema to this Labour Govt, isn’t it?
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:13pm
bjools

My solution to reducing “green house gases”
I have had reason to drive on Transmission Gully a few times.
It saved me 15 min in each direction.
Therefore for 30 min of my day, my car was switched off and not producing “Green House Gases”.
Multiplied by every car that uses this road, every day, is a significant reduction.
So build 50 more Transmission Gullies around the country.
Start with
Tauranga to Auckland
Auckland to Whangarei
Manawatu Gorge
Napier Taupo road
Dunedin Christchurch
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May 17, 2022 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Govt have a lot on their plate don’t they? On top of that they have to fight like fuck with the Greens to get anything done. This bad roads shit goes way back to 1999 under the beast.
  Roll on 2023.
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:33pm
- Nickc2
  
  Stop applying logic bjools, the Govt will cancel you.
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:42pm
mogg

Yet more Woke ideology from people in parliament
who prefer form over substance. They want to overlook the fact that we are burning the same amounts of oil, gas and coal by importing from somewhere else, it’ s okay when they do it, but let’s not dirty our own hands. This lot are going down the pan but they intend to keep virtue signalling right to the very end.
People want to hear more about 7% inflation and what they are doing about the cost of living crisis, and less about race based politics and green Woke ideology.
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May 17, 2022 10:02am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis links…

Well sorry! Not beautiful 🙁
And no amount of woke tolerance is going to change that.

https://trib.al/H9q8II1
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May 17, 2022 10:11am
- Frank the tank
  
  Look on the bright side your 16yr nephew ain’t going to take that mag into the toilet are they.
  
  Aaaaand next issue they’ll have that transgender swimming from Penn State………in a thong. LOL.
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  Elon Musk’s Mum looks much better- even at 74!
  https://nypost.com/2022/05/16/elon-musks-model-mom-maye-musk-covers-si-swim-issue-at-74/
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:57am
- Don Beckett
  
  Thanks for nothing Maggie. Can’t unsee that – poor girl needs a nutritionist to help her with her diet.
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:58am
ClanMcleod

“On the Failure of Conservatives to Mount Effective Opposition to the Most Insane Policies Ever Visited Upon Mankind”

Eugyppius yet again with immaculate and perceptive analysis of the current state of affairs. This time re the rise of “leftism” over recent years.

“I’ve tried not to make right-wing politics a focus of this blog, mostly because I’m not even sure what it means to be on the right, in a world where there’s no operative political identity beyond establishment leftism. Everyone who opposes the leftist program, whatever his specific views, will find himself bearing the right-wing label. Nor do I consider myself in any real sense a conservative. Nevertheless, the complicity of conservative politicians in enacting lunatic leftist policy prescriptions is a very deep problem, and one that characterises politics not just in Germany but across the West.”

Exactly where we are in NZ, National pottering on the edges, no real opposition to the insane policies imposed in a very short time by the lunatics on the left.

“What we’re really seeing, I think, is the inevitable degeneration of liberal norms and ideals, as they are replaced one after the other by leftist simulacra that present themselves as the perfected form of liberalism. Equality of outcome coming to replace equality of opportunity is only the most trite example to mention here; the phenomenon is evident across a wide array of issues, including Corona and mass containment, where the liberal ideals of public health were reworked by the leftist transmogrifier to become the overtly inhumane project of eradicating a virus.”

Again, exactly as has happened here and around the world.
Here is some advice that Luxton and co would do well to read and heed.

“Respectable conservative politicians have failed above all, in neglecting those people who have suffered the most at the hands of globalisation, renewable energy, immigration, lockdowns and all the rest of it. We must defeat the leftist elite, not win them over; and to do this we must deprive them steadily of popular support, beginning among the lower classes and at the periphery, where the greatest gains are to be made, and working inwards. From the hysterical, crazed opposition men like Trump, Orbán and Salvini have inspired, you can measure the power of this approach.”

We MUST defeat the leftist elite. Not try and be like them.
Full article here, outstanding.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/on-the-failure-of-conservatives-to?
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May 17, 2022 10:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apologies for the typo Mr Luxon. 🙂
  
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  May 17, 2022 10:52am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Covered something similar a year ago with The Precious Midpoint:
  
  Instead of aping the strategic goals of Labour and sneering at their own voters, what National should be thinking about is what the votes for Brexit and Trump in 2016 and for the British Conservatives in 2020 meant, and what the changing politics of things like the recent Hartlepool election meant – rather than imagining that the forces driving them can be wiped away by defeating Trump-like politicians.
  
  National is not going to be rewarded by simply saying that it will do the same as Labour but with better management. In the face of failing public systems, especially education, that’s no longer good enough. The 2020 election told National that when voters are presented with such a choice they’ll just vote Labour.
  
  And the lesson is not to be like the New Zealand equivalent of Mitt Romney, Theresa May or David Cameron – all squishes who either failed to get elected or if they were, failed to grasp the actual electoral environment they claimed their “moderate” noses could sniff out.
  
  That approach just won’t cut it anymore with Centre-Right parties. Real, practical solutions based around giving incentives to individuals – in education, healthcare and other areas – are what is required. Certainly not something that “‘we’, the clever ones, are going to impose upon ‘them’, the Lower Orders“, from the hearts of wealthy suburbs sporting myriad electric cars.
  
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  May 17, 2022 11:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Well said.
    
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    May 17, 2022 1:13pm
  - mawm
    
    Conservative politicians need to keep away from the WEF and all the other 3-letter NGO’s that dictate how they must behave. It is time to declare independence from these international communist bodies and govern for their citizens.
    
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    May 17, 2022 4:55pm
Hugh Jarse

We are truly in the hands of the very well paid Wellington political and media elite now. They are so out of touch with the average New Zealander outside Wellington they think that those on the low or medium income can easily go out and borrow the $10-$20k extra to buy a second hand EV with a good battery as well as cope with 7-8% inflation in the next year, increasing mortgage costs, redundancy insurance etc. They have no understanding or empathy for Joe or Josephine New Zealander.
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May 17, 2022 11:52am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QbbWLjnGBaQ/

Brandon Knows Impeachment is Coming.

Bumblin’ Biden knows that impeachment is coming and he’s already getting ready! We’re going to look at the latest measures Sleepy Joe is taking to prepare for the inevitable, we’re going to see who else is most likely going to get impeached along with him, and stick with me to the very end of this video when I’ll reveal why the Democrats and the lamestream media only have themselves to blame for it all. [11:34]
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May 17, 2022 11:54am
curry4me

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/05/how-zuckerberg-used-tax-exempt-foundation-help-david-horowitz-and-john-perazzo/

How Zuckerberg Used a Tax-Exempt Foundation to Help Biden Fix the 2020 Election.

Everybody to the right of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez knows that the root cause of the crisis facing America — the most serious since the Civil War — is lawlessness. And everybody not under the spell of the Democrat spin machine understands that the lawlessness begins at the top, with government and the many agencies of the executive branch who are tasked by our Constitution with enforcing the law.
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May 17, 2022 11:54am
oldfella

Greymouth Star sparks offence over ‘racist’ cartoon
A cartoon which was published in a West Coast newspaper has been labelled ‘racist and abhorrent’.
The cartoon by Hokitika cartoonist David Thomas Healy was published in the Greymouth Star on Thursday.
It depicts a Māori person at The Three Waters Table saying ‘It’s not theirs it’s mine’ along with a Pakeha person asking a group ‘Do you ratepayers want your water?’.
The editor of the newspaper is Te Rūnanga o Makaawhio chairman Paul Madgwick, who did not respond to requests for comment.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128659943/greymouth-star-sparks-offence-over-racist-cartoon
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May 17, 2022 11:56am
Swifty

As the More Pay Agreement legislation marches through Parliament – a reminder of the disgraceful, divisive, harmful and ‘othering’ rhetoric coming from the CTU in support of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQBVWmgJZUw

Can you just imagine the foam-flecked fury which would come from the NZ left if an employers group developed a video slamming all employees as fat, dishonest and lazy slugs?

But it’s fine when they do it.

And, NZ Labour Party, do you condone this from your mates in the CTU? You’re happy with how this video characterises NZ business owners?

Be kind?

They should all hang their heads in shame.

A new low point in New Zealand thanks to the NZ left.
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May 17, 2022 12:06pm
- Swifty
  
  Clint Smith, among others, has come out all ‘outraged’ about the Greymouth Star cartoon on 3 Waters.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128659943/greymouth-star-sparks-offence-over-racist-cartoon
  
  I wonder what he/they think about the CTU vid above?
  
  Any comments from them about how Labour’s bedfellows, the CTU, portrays NZ business owners as rich, foppish Englishmen who not only care nothing for their employees but also use them as footstools?
  
  Their hypocrisy is sickening.
  
  They disgust me.
  
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  May 17, 2022 12:20pm
  - Prince
    
    And now Stuff enters the fray…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128659943/greymouth-star-sparks-offence-over-racist-cartoon
    ‘Abhorent depiction of Maori’…
    Except it’s not a depiction of Maori, it’s a depiction of a Maori, namely Nanaia Mahuta. And there is a long tradition of cartoons lampooning politicians, and drawing them with certain features emphasized. Think Mauldoon’s cheek, Lange’s size, Bolger’s potato head, Clarke’s frown, Key’s nose etc etc.
    But Mahuta’s moko is beyond such treatment it seems.
    And now Stuff says it perpetuates a Maori stereotype, Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu Kaiwhakahaere Lisa Tumahai says it should never have been drawn, Meng Fong says it is ‘unhelpful, Clint Smith says it is racist, etc etc etc.
    And on we go, generating outrage where there is none. It seems Maori politicians cannot be treated the same as pakeha. Poor wee petals. They must be revered as being above us all.
    
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    May 17, 2022 2:08pm
    - Swifty
      
      Good points Prince.
      
      And, I would add, IT IS the stated intention of many Maori that the end game of all this is Maori proprietorship over water – so the cartoon could be quite prescient. Quite factual actually.
      
      Certainly anyone who thinks 3 Waters wont evolve over time to even more Maori benefit is kidding themselves.
      
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      May 17, 2022 2:50pm
    - [email protected]
      
      The article doesn’t t allow for comments. That’s telling isn’t it!
      
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      May 17, 2022 6:53pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Apparently the Broadcasting Standards Authority has yet to receive a single complaint from the public.
      
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      May 17, 2022 8:17pm
I remember when

Nigeria’s lack of refinery infrastructure proves costly: Bloomfield:
Nigerian National Petroleum Corp (NNPC) statistics show that rising oil prices are impacting Africa’s largest crude oil producer.
As Nigeria has limited domestic oil refining capacity, the NNPC trades crude oil for refined gasoline in world markets.
High global fuel prices – caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – are now draining the NNPC of revenue.

There you go, lucky we aren’t drilling any more.
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May 17, 2022 12:18pm
- Nickc2
  
  We have no means of refining the product either!
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:27pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I know, let’s close our only refinery when oil refining capacity is at it tightest and returns are at their highest.
    
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    May 17, 2022 7:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you mean Bloomberg. I don’t think St Ash is reporting from West Africa.
  
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  May 17, 2022 8:18pm
unaha-closp

The ruling socialist party in Sri Lanka is on the cusp of achieving a carbon neutral economy and has already outlawed exploitative farming practices.

Protesters are being beaten and shot, while families starve.
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May 17, 2022 12:20pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Family who have run the place into the dirt have been given the heave ho and there is a new PM. I think he has been PM multiple times before.
  
  One of the problems is they are in hoc to that nice Mr Xi and they cannot pay the interest bill.
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:46pm
- westernScientist
  
  They reversed a bunch of those policies a couple weeks ago because of the food shortages. Typical of politicians though, didnt realise that the damage they caused is already well and truly done and it will take decades to get the production they ruined back.
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Those protestors are fighting back
  
  A sitting Sri Lankan MP was beaten to death by anti-government protesters in a “horrific murder scene”, an eye-witness told the Telegraph, as the country’s new prime minister warned there is just one day’s worth of fuel left.
  :::
  Sri Lanka has remained under near constant curfew since last Monday, when a pro-government mob attacked peaceful protesters in Colombo’s Galle Face, injuring over 200 people. In retribution, anti-government demonstrators torched the homes of more than 50 ruling party politicians.
  
  .. and ..
  
  The country was struggling to find $1 million in foreign currency for imports, he added, despite having $7.5 billion in reserve as recently as November 2019.
  
  This horrible stuff is what happens when state elites pillage an economy to a point where the poorest can no longer eak out a living.
  
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  May 17, 2022 3:01pm
kowtow

faaaaaark

TV1 “news” just gave us a line up of far left greenie types complaining the weather spend up hasn’t attcked the farmers .

Wake up , the world needs food . And NZ needs the foreign exchange these people earn for the economy.

Sell TV1. They are traitors.
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May 17, 2022 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cut the herd and make the rest more productive. Heard about flogging a dead horse? Fucking Greens and Labour.
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:37pm
I remember when

Maori Health Authority:
Authority:
1. the power or right to give orders, make decisions and enforce obedience.
2. Organisation having political or administrative power and control.

Maori Health Directorate:
Directorate:
1. the board of directors of a company.
2. a section of a government department in charge of a particular activity.
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May 17, 2022 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

I’m seriously thinking of applying 😀

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1526341581065920514
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May 17, 2022 12:42pm
- Frank the tank
  
  You do know about the dotted reporting line into the DPMC?
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:20pm
I remember when

Government’s emissions plan:
That’s the easy part over.
After this it starts to cost money, restrict options and the problems start to become obvious.
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May 17, 2022 12:43pm
Surely Knott

Do you think we will ever hear an outcome on Remuera woman Pauline Hanson’s death. She died after having the vaccine that day and then that information was retracted and their was lots of finger pointing by the media at the husband. Has their been an autopsy. We’ve never been told how she died. Was their evidence of violence by the husband. Or will this never be talked of again.

And what of the girl who died on a west auckland beach. The coroner made an unusual speech saying it was unlikely to be the vaccine despite the fact her investigation hadn’t begun. That it was likely another medicine. Will we ever get told the outcome of the coroners report or the haematology reports still hadn’t been received. Will the other drug she was taking (presumably the pill) be named? When. How long does it take in NZ.

In March Medsafe added Thyroid as a safety signal eg Graves disease thyroiditis. Should this have made headline news . Is the PM being chased by a banana more important.
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May 17, 2022 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bananas are dangerous and have an attitude problem you know/
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:40pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  I’m sure the families of both the deceased will take comfort in you trying to cast aspersions that somehow their deaths were tied to the Covid vaccine even though there is zero evidence of this.
  A truly vulgar post.
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:08pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    To ask relevant questions is not vulgar, Ross.
    
    But planting ones head firmly in the sand is surely stupid.
    
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    May 17, 2022 3:23pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Yeah well maybe they died from a heroin overdose or sniffing glue or homeopathy gone wrong?
      These are all “relevant questions” as well but nobody is asking them because they are bullshit just like your Covid vaccine brain fart.
      Truly sad that people would use the death of others to push their own hobby horses.
      
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      May 17, 2022 3:55pm
      - mawm
        
        And that is precisely why an autopsy, toxicology and histological examination of all the organs is essential. Without a full investigation the cause will always be questionable. But it seems as if the WHO and Fauci have declared that they must not be done. Are they trying to hide something?
        
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        May 17, 2022 5:06pm
      - Hebe123
        
        When there is a strong temporal association as in these cases it is a totally reasonable question.
        
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        May 17, 2022 6:53pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I know I shouldn’t waste my time, pearls & porcine and all that, but re your “zero evidence” claim… surely if that were the case the bars on this VAERS chart should be uniform for each and every day reflecting background mortality? Right?
    
    Open your eyes, Ross. Being willfully ignorant is not a badge of honour.
    
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    May 17, 2022 3:48pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      C’mon Ross. Pony up with some real analysis. And don’t slime VAERS as it’s been the vaccine injury benchmarking tool for more than 30 years. So come on. I’m waiting. As for your flaccid claim of “use the death of others to push their own hobby horses” nothing could be further from the truth. There is a veritable mountain of evidence linking mRNA vaccines with serious outcomes. To ignore this as you appear to is to accept any subsequent harm. Why do you do this? Why do you bury your head in the sand? Why, Ross? Why?
      
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      May 17, 2022 6:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just reading over on FB that the baby formula shortage in America is because so many men got pregnant and had a baby but they could not chest feed…..
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May 17, 2022 1:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Here ya go, Steve. Or even this.
  
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  May 17, 2022 3:52pm
surfing

Typical Maori racism ….

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/farewell-stale-pale-male-decision-making-–-its-time-for-just-relationships/ar-AAXiO8L?li=BBqdk7Q

This is real racism, specifically claiming people are bad because of their skin colour and age.

Written by one Maria Bargh, look her up, maori /political ‘expert’ employed by Victoria University.
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May 17, 2022 1:24pm
- Yabster
  
  and shes teaching students- ffs
  
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  May 17, 2022 1:56pm
- Swifty
  
  Wow, what an appalling piece from a PhD.
  
  Everything white is shit, everything brown is wonderful.
  
  Yep, this is New Zealand today.
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:17pm
- Swifty
  
  And look at her, just dripping with privilege:
  
  https://www.google.com/search?q=maria+bargh&rlz=1C1GCEB_enNZ975NZ975&sxsrf=ALiCzsaf610KhS8MIXl5B4lpgBTCJn0s7Q:1652754024189&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj55YzEvOX3AhU1T2wGHXeZBtYQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1522&bih=738&dpr=1.25
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:21pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    She’s certainly a rampant self-publicist
    
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    May 17, 2022 8:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where the fuck did horizontal Harris get this word soup waffle?
Jaspinda giving night classes?
https://rumble.com/v14tw1u-can-anyone-figure-out-what-vp-harris-is-trying-to-say-here.html?
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May 17, 2022 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s one for ‘Ross Cameron’ et al…… 😀

Rumors circulating the reason the Kardashian sisters didn’t attend Kourt’s marriage to Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker….was because he’s WHITE!

https://twitter.com/OK_Magazine/status/1526160336813969408
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May 17, 2022 1:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What a guy! State of him LOL
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:45pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    I am sure his mum loves him.
    
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    May 17, 2022 6:24pm
Zorba

Kiwisavers outraged by certain comments, silent about KS balance, or lack of. Me thinks were being played by the ruling class.
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May 17, 2022 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump is back on Twitter (indirectly)
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-back-twitter-003403140.html
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May 17, 2022 2:33pm
Swifty

The wonderfully credentialed ‘expert’ (snigger) Prof Bronwyn Hayward just doesn’t get it:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chloe-swarbrick-documentary-drama-show-us-more-mps-warts-and-all-politics-expert/PLJWHD2XGRP542GVDIDKHRYNZ4/

Nothing is stopping those who value a doco on anyone or anything funding it from their own pocket – but to force everyone else to pay for something they’ll never watch is wrong and especially when there are 1,000 other things the money would be better used on.

If the good Professor thinks a Swarbrick doco is such a wonderful thing then she should rally all her well-heeled academic shiny-bum mates and stump up the cash.
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May 17, 2022 2:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Really Prof Hayward?
  ” as long as MPs or parties weren’t in charge of the editorial content”
  She can’t be serious, wonderfully credentialed ‘expert’ my left tit
  
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  May 17, 2022 2:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://wccftech.com/elon-musk-speculates-that-over-90-of-twitters-daily-active-users-might-be-bots-gets-a-call-from-twitter-legal-team-for-violating-the-nda/?
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May 17, 2022 3:05pm
Swifty

I wonder if Nanaia Mahuta’s, among many other Tainui elites, recent significant weight loss was the result of ancient Maori health practices and Matauranga Maori or the result of Western bariatric surgery?

If it was the latter why did the Tainui elite, including Mahuta, choose that over more traditional treatments?

Also, who paid for it I wonder?
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May 17, 2022 3:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Swifty, you paid for it. And asking the question is racist. Simply being is racist. So there.
  
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  May 17, 2022 6:06pm
Maggie Pie

Doing a bit of channel surfing between ‘1000lb-Sisters’ and ‘Question Time’

What’s with Chris Luxon referring to Robbo all the time…. as “she” and “her”? LOL!!
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May 17, 2022 3:18pm
- skyblue
  
  Just parroting what Alf calls her.
  
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  May 17, 2022 3:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon was right, Robertson is filling in for the PM, he has too speak as if he was speaking to her, Robertson should be pulled up for his vulgar attack, so as i say, he must speak as if he is speaking to Ardern
  
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  May 17, 2022 4:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thank goodness we live in the land of milk and honey

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300590783/apocalyptic-food-shortage-threatens-says-bank-of-england-governor

(Though it must be a couple of year$ or more $ince I bought honey)
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May 17, 2022 4:41pm
CAKE FACE1

If Cindy was smart (clue – she’s not), she would call a snap election. It would be close.

In eighteen months’ time, I suspect that the economy will be a train crash, and she will be annihilated in the election.

The economy is about to nosedive. Hold on tight.
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May 17, 2022 5:34pm
- greybeard
  
  Tightly.
  
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  May 17, 2022 7:24pm
Alan Wilkinson

How West Coast farmers deal with crime:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/west-coast-farm-workers-capture-wanted-gang-fugitive/5PDNAO2EL64Z42JTVXR2CHHCPU/
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May 17, 2022 6:20pm
Maggie Pie

*Why you should NEVER buy a secondhand car*.

REASON #49….

‘Dropkicks who throw greasy-chips on their Dashboard Covers”

https://twitter.com/ladbible/status/1526246100172013568

(Follow me here for more great-tips on what to avoid when considering the purchase of a used motor vehicle)
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May 17, 2022 6:53pm
surfing

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/significant-māori-health-investment-in-budget-2022-to-rival-last-years-spend-newshub-understands/ar-AAXm87H?li=BBqdg4K

Iwi will be dancing all the way to the bank, again.

I wonder if maori nurses will get paid more than european nurses.

And, if a non-maori desperately needs an operation, will they be bumped by a maori who also needs an operation?
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May 17, 2022 8:56pm
jon

Maybe not all lost for SCOMO after all, with poll out tonite in Sydney Morning Herald, having Labour down 3% to 51% to 49% for the Coalition on two party support! Undecideds breaking to Coalition.
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