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Tomtoddy

Here is an interesting comparison. The number of people on solo parent benefit, Job Seeker support and a Support Living payment has gone from 275,000 in 2017 to 350,000 now – up 27%. However, the number of sanctions applied for unfulfilled work obligations has gone down from 15,465 in 2017 to 4,470 this last year.

A huge increase in the number of people who could work but do not, yet a very sharp drop in people suffering any sought of sanction for not turning up for work offered or not attending appointments, as an example.

What is your reaction? A government soft on crims and also soft on the lazy, and the dodging.
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May 28, 2022 8:07am
- piglady
  
  No wonder the mental health in this country is becoming a big problem. I read that and it makes me depressed.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Another aspect of that is the public “servants” employed to ensure their “clients” do their obligations have way less work to do .
  
  Easy street all round , except for the taxpayer funding both groups of bludgers.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  If the Govt wasn’t wasting our money on them, they’d be spending it on themselves. //
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sarc, it is true!
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:41am
- peterwn
  
  But these are core Labour/ Green votes and need to be looked after.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:24am
- mandk
  
  It’s also noteworthy that, since the onset of COVID in NZ, the number of people measured by the Household Labour Force Survey as being unemployed (available and actively seeking work) has gone down by about 20,000, while the number of people receiving Work Ready Jobseeker Support has gone up by roughly the same number.
  
  It’s obvious that there are many thousands of people receiving an unemployment benefit, who are not actually looking for work.
  
  Labour: the government that cares about drop-kicks and over-taxes hard workers to pay for their idleness.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  TBH I am surprised that there are 4,470 sanctions.
  
  If you force these people to go to an employer, many of them will engage in sabotage. But that will be less likely if they then lose benefits for 6 months. MSD should initially target young men who don’t look totally drugged out and tell them “You are picking apples in Nelson”. If they refuse, stop their benefits for 6 months.
  
  It is frightening that we have 350, 000 working age adults on welfare at a time of acute labour shortages. Another policy worth considering is a limit of say 3 years over a lifetime during which you can receive unemployment benefits.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:30am
  - Paulus
    
    I once worked in a Kiwifruit packhouse and saw there how easy it is to create mahem by sabotage.
    The people involved rarely sayed until lunch or smoko and then went back to Winz and were never seen again there.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:37am
    - cas
      
      yeah I have heard stories about families picking kiwifruit and on the first morning they ‘stand’ on a kiwifruit and twist their knees. Back to the dole and the pokies.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:40am
  - artemisia
    
    How about MSD using some of the no longer needed welfare benefits to pay a drill sergeant to take say 20 workers to the places they are needed, as needed. Apples get picked, farmers are happy, IRD is happy. Even some of the new workers might be happy.
    
    Serious suggestion.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:38am
    - kowtow
      
      Ah but in the Wokeian , the age we currently live in , the sgt /m would be done for ‘bullying” behaviour , the media would be all over him and various rights kommissars would be endlessly interviewed on RNZ , the Project etc
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:17am
      - I remember when
        
        The drill sergeant major would be more likely to be ‘bullied’.
        If they have been unemployed for a few years they will be prepared to fight for their right to not work.
        Knew an ex-army man employed by the Probation Service, he said you were always worried about the likelihood of being attacked.
        Never ever had their name in the phone book, etc.
        
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        May 28, 2022 2:23pm
    - Sacha
      
      Or the drill sergeant could pay the able-bodied by the day/hours attended. No drill = no benefit.
      When the workers showed that they were able to attend the ‘drill’ they could be offered a job at beginner rates.
      No extra allowances.
      Ever.
      
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      May 28, 2022 3:57pm
  - AitchW
    
    Orchard owners don’t want unwilling workers turning up just to collect their wages. Those who are sent to work by WINZ against their will would be a hugely disruptive liability. As an employer I don’t want my right to pick my staff subverted by low level bureaucrats desperate to fill their quotas.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Why not make benefits proportional to tax paid, given a six-year head start from initial employment?
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:57am
    - Caine9
      
      That is the basic idea of the new scheme Labour is pushing for. Except they are creating yet another tax for it.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:38am
      - Nickc2
        
        Precisely! What they’re doing is implementing another tax, not creating a new way to pay an existing tax.
        I wouldn’t trust Robertson to write a receipt FFS.
        
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        May 28, 2022 12:41pm
    - [email protected]
      
      And make the benefit invesely proportional on the physical and mental ability of the beneficiary.
      
      The more capable the beneficiary is the smaller their benefit.
      
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      May 28, 2022 12:18pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Good one and why not make it that the grand total of benefits received (eg DPB, WFF, Unemployment etc) shall not under any circumstances whatsoever exceed 75% of that paid to a single superannuant who has paid taxes all their working lives?
        
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        May 28, 2022 1:12pm
      - Sacha
        
        No. Everyone starts at the same rate of pay – the capable ones get more as they progress.
        
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        May 28, 2022 3:58pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    BY, “Another policy worth considering is a limit of say 3 years over a lifetime during which you can receive unemployment benefits.”
    I have also wondered about that, But seriously think if a teen is not at school or working then compulsory military training for 2 years.
    Look at the countries that do this already and low crime etc.
    The best thing about compulsory Training is the “net working” you achieve for the rest of your life. This is how Singapore operates and the first point of contact for the rest their lives. ie Who they did military service with.
    Great initiative.
    Make Super the same at the end of your life, How much tax you pay prorata and Super.
    Quite simple really.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:18am
    - pdm
      
      MM – I am with you on that CMT idea.
      
      Bring some routine and discipline into their lives.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:35am
    - OlderChas
      
      I believe the American system works something like that. Your retirement superannuation amount is worked out as a proportion of the tax you paid over the 6 years of your highest reported earnings.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:03pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Real tale is in Jobseeker support – up from about 120k when Labour came in to 180k now, and the great lie that is the official unemployment rate of just 3.2% (that only counts a portion of these), Labour working hard to grow number of beneficiaries (that generally vote for them), 60k is ~2% of all votes cast in last general election.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:53am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The Jobseeker Benefit is poorly named. You don’t have to be seeking a job to be eligible for it, but only those who are actively seeking employment are counted as unemployed. The reality is that real unemployment is significantly higher than the 3.2% claimed by Labour.
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:08am
    - pdm
      
      Inv and Urban.
      
      I reckon real unempoyment rate is nudging 10%.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:37am
    - Tricati
      
      Absolutely correct TS – It pisses me off greatly when the likes of Robertson spouts off about our low unemployment rate and he never gets questioned over the ever increasing number on the Job-seeker Benefit.
      National should be using the ‘combined rate’ to sell the complete picture as its based on actual numbers so can’t be dismissed by Ardern/Robertson as ‘misinformation’.
      
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      May 28, 2022 2:31pm
  - mandk
    
    The thing about the unemployment rate is that it is based on how people describe themselves in the HLFS.
    
    To be counted as unemployed according to the HLFS, and hence part of the numerator in the unemployment rate calculation, you have to be available for and actively seeking work.
    
    The HLFS numbers are a much better indicator than the Jobseeker numbers.
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My partner is on the jobseeker support. With me now fully retired at nearly 70 and her 63 it gets tight. Unlikely for a 63 year old to get work. She has had 2 offers. One was a nightshift (nope) The other was in Rosedale, meaning 3 buses each way. Useless spending nearly 4 hours traveling to do an 8 hour job.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:25am
  - PeeJay
    
    This is often forgotten on the right – there are always circumstances and no system is perfect.
    
    My wife works in construction – consultancy side. She was let go in her early fifties and despite the economy “roaring” and everyone we knew saying they couldn’t get staff, she was unemployed for two years. No benefit as I earned an ok salary, we lived in our own home etc. She would not have appeared as a statistic, despite actively looking for work. Took a part time fixed term job and is now struggling again – all due to her age.
    
    This ‘all folks not working are shirkers’ is bloody nonsense. Sure, there are no doubt a lot of folks in this country where benefits have become a lifestyle but there are also loads looking for work that can’t get it because of age, race or sex.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Similar. My partner had not worked for 4 years, I was supporting her as I was collecting super and working. The lease ran out and the company could not find another factory. All of the assets are in storage – but my job ended after being there 49 years, even at 69 I was still going strong, plugging away like an old diesel.
      So things changed. Job seeker for partner and my super changed too, I was paying secondary Tax on the super, now it is M. Now I can’t find a job either, and I like work.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:50am
  - pdm
    
    There is all the work she wants in Hawkes Bay – one cannot drive 2ks without seeing signs of Businesses wanting staff.
    
    Something for everybody too as far as I can see.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:40am
    - Colville
      
      Yip.
      13 jobs on the board at New World this morning.
      $23/hr for putting cans on the shelves . as many hours as you want whenever you want.
      
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      May 28, 2022 12:48pm
- Jim
  
  That might explain why employers are reporting that successfully interviewed employees leave all personal details, but then never turn up for a day of work.
  
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  May 28, 2022 5:35pm
Souvlaki

Q: Is the outcome of this case pre-determined by the cultural mafia?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128650907/moana-case-appeal-over-mori-girl-placed-with-pkeh-couple?cid=app-android
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May 28, 2022 8:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If, say, an orphaned Chinese girl was placed with a white family, would Oranga Tamariki demand that she be placed instead with a Chinese family? Of course not.
  
  This pursuit by Oranga Tamariki is racist. Simple as that. I hope they get smacked down by the appeal court.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:21am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Exactly…but look at the contortions Oranga Tamariki have gone through to sully Callinicos.
    The Law Society hardly covering themselves in glory either.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The other consideration is the child. She is apparently 6 years old. She has been there 4 years and is happy apparently. She would be traumatised by being taken away. It is disgusting.
      
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      May 28, 2022 8:39am
      - PeeJay
        
        For OT it’s got absolutely bugger all to do with the child. If it was about the child, this would never have happened.
        
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        May 28, 2022 9:41am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Dead right Peejay – this isn’t about child wellbeing; it’s about the imposition of a hardcore political ideology.
        
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        May 28, 2022 10:52am
      - rouppe
        
        Oh but she’s too young to know what she REALLY wants, Benedict.
        
        And those racist Smiths have deliberately colonized her thinking, so she doesn’t know the glory of Maori tikanga, and the rightness of her true way of life… //sarc
        
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        May 28, 2022 11:55am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The girl in this case has a very good lawyer, who’s fighting hard for her best interests.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    OT’s Mission Statement
    
    We are dedicated to supporting any child in New Zealand whose wellbeing is at significant risk of harm now, or in the future.
    
    I have been following this case with interest and ask how has this poor kid’s wellbeing been at significant risk of harm at any time? The kid’s not a Maori, the kid’s of mixed blood FFS.
    These Racist Witches who have hijacked OT should all get the chop and never be employed by any Govt Agency again.
    IMO, they should also be held accountable for all costs involved in this case.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:42am
    - Jack5
      
      Nickc2’s … The kid’s not a Maori, the kid’s of mixed blood FFS.
      
      New Zealand seems to have a mirror-reverse of the American Confederacy’s brutal “one drop” race rule. That stated any African genes at all and you were Black (and hence a potential slave).
      
      Generally, mixed-race New Zealanders choose their own official racial identity.
      
      However, in the media, in Government institutions and organisations, and among Maori activists, it seems to be presumed that if you are of mixed Maori-White descent then you are Maori. “One drop, and you’re indigenous.”
      
      It’s probably a favourable indication of NZ race relations that we don’t have an official mixed-race classification. Who gives a fat rat’s arse what proportion of White “blood” or Maori genes that a friend, relative, neighbour, or team mate has?
      
      Here’s how the well-known CIA World Factbook describes NZ ethnicities (2018 basis – near the beginning of the immigration blow-out):
      
      European 64.1%, Maori 16.5%, Chinese 4.9%, Indian 4.7%, Samoan 3.9%, Tongan 1.8%, Cook Islands Maori 1.7%, English 1.5%, Filipino 1.5%, New Zealander 1%, other 13.7% (2018 est.)
      
      Note: based on the 2018 census of the usually resident population; percentages add up to more than 100% because respondents were able to identify more than one ethnic group.
      
      Compare this with how the CIA World Factbook describes ethnicities in Mexico:
      
      Mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 62%, predominantly Amerindian 21%, Amerindian 7%, other 10% (mostly European).
      
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      May 28, 2022 1:21pm
    - Matt Long
      
      If she has a smidge of European ancestry, shouldn’t she have the right to identify as Ngaiti Pakeha and tell the tribalists to take a hike?
      
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      May 28, 2022 1:35pm
      - Nickc2
        
        She was reported to be quite happy with her foster parents. However, self-interest racist groups were in the play here, including the Judiciary and AFIK she wasn’t asked for her preference(s).
        
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        May 28, 2022 1:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She’s a little girl…
        and sadly, this Government /OT are in charge of her.
        
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        May 28, 2022 3:29pm
  - graham
    
    Nailed it Benedict.
    
    It confounds me that, apparently, nobody can see (or is willing to say out loud) what you have so clearly said. Your first paragraph explains it so simply.
    
    I can say it no better than to quote you: This pursuit by Oranga Tamariki is racist. End of story. How is it that they cannot see that?
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:00am
- Tomtoddy
  
  It is not about the girl’s interests. She is a bit player. It is a high level debate among adults (their ‘interests’) – the elite versus the normal, the down to earth realists.
  
  The arrogance of the elites is such they will fight on whatever the cost to the girl, her true caregivers and the taxpayers.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:39am
  - mandk
    
    “She is a bit player.”
    
    Sounds plausible to me.
    
    I once attended a full day’s Family Court hearing about the care arrangements for my youngest, and during that time not one word was spoken about what was in the interests of the child.
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:55am
- [email protected]
  
  This sad situation would not have happened if Moana’s whanau had taken her in at age 3 but no-one, except the pakeha family, stood up for her when she needed them.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:48am
- Hebe123
  
  That’s horrendous that the lawyer for child is so definitive but racism could still win – with the kid as collateral damage.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all well and good to say the child should be with her whanau and hapu, etc…. but they FAILED the child and her siblings… not once, but multiple times.
  
  The child was neglected and abused before she arrived in the hands of the Pakeha Family.
  
  WHY should the taxpayer trust the whanau and hapu now?
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:15am
  - crikey
    
    Maggie: “WHY should the taxpayer trust the whanau and hapu now?”
    Exactly. Let’s hope the Judge sees it that way too.
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nobody seems to be looking at things through the child’s eyes. Those pushing the Moari wheelbarrow are doing this for their own agenda.
  The little girl deserves better, she will now that something is amiss.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I see the idiot downticker is awake. It only took it 3 minutes, prob did not even read what I wrote.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:39am
Master Mariner

Like a few on this blog I was perplexed why Adern visited Blackrock.

Blackrock is the Worlds biggest Fund Manager.

Being a self confessed Anti Capitalist, What was the reason to visit Blackrock and Larry Fink .

ESG,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfcIZUfyMdc
Trillions are going to be spent to achieve Zero Carbon, Why would’nt Blackrock jump on this mystical achievement and profit from it.

Another thing is why get an a degree from Harvard as PM recently did after her speech.?

Well it would appear Harvard is the leading proponent of ESG.

https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/08/01/introduction-to-esg/

And why is NZ proposing ESG in all its Ministries? Never heard of it before and definately did not campaign on it?

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research-and-publications/speeches/2020/speech2020-02-13

“Earlier this year, Larry Fink, the CEO of the world’s largest fund manager, Blackrock, said in his influential annual letter to clients that climate change has bought us to “the edge of a fundamental reshaping of finance” and that Blackrock is committed to “place sustainability at the centre of (its) investment approach”.10”

So who is going to be the holder of Mis-information and re education minister in the near term?
I can not help but think this Governments is being used as a Puppet and trial.
Talk about misinformation.
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May 28, 2022 8:19am
- Master Mariner
  
  And why Elon Musk is calling ESG a Scam.
  https://time.com/6180638/tesla-esg-index-musk/
  
  I’m with Elon on this one.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And just for folks who are unacquainted with the ESG acronym
  
  ESG: Environmental, Social, & Governance.
  
  – the non-financial factors that are now being considered for business and development proposals.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:14am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Sounds like a rehash of the old “triple bottom line” reporting that’s been around for well over 20 years.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:47am
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME
Two different versions ….. and Two different morals.

OLD VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE OLD STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

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MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long,
Building his house and laying up supplies for the winter the grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
TV 1 & 3 News, Sky News, and Seven Sharp show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
The country is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Sue Bradford appears on Seven Sharp with the grasshopper and everybody cries.
The Green Party stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house where the news stations film the group singing, ‘We shall overcome’.
Green Party Leader James Shaw condemns the ant and blames John Key, Rob Muldoon, Roger Douglas, Capitalism and Global warming for the grasshopper’s plight.
John Minto exclaims in an interview with TV News that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, to gain votes to win an election, the Government drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to consider how his hard work and preparation has affected the Grasshoppers Mana; and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated under the Government Land Repo Act and given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food while the government confiscates the house he is in; which, as you may recall, just happens to be the ant’s old house, which has crumbled around them because the grasshopper doesn’t maintain it.
The ant has disappeared to Australia, never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drugs related incident. And the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of Homeboy spiders who terrorise the once prosperous and peaceful neighbourhood with drive by shootings and the like.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2023
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May 28, 2022 8:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good stuff! Describes the left in NZ perfectly, even the 501’s
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:53am
iMP

David Farrier (no, not our DPF) has done some excellent long read exposes on Arise Church. 3xResignations yesterday. I’ve met and confronted some of these tragic figures. Well done DF with an ‘ i’ ( the Louis Theroux of NZ).

There is a tried and truism in the Bible for these wolves… “ Where there is selfish ambition there is every kind of disorder”

Presumably that covers naked senior pastors running around hotels chasing male interns who lock themselves in.

https://www.webworm.co/p/downwardspiral?s=r
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May 28, 2022 8:27am
- Philview
  
  A relative of mine joined that church briefly a few years ago and based on her comments at the time these allegations don’t surprise me. However, I do feel the media look at this activity but not communities that let their children go on ram raids at night.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:45am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , the Media Pardy are excellent at the politics of distraction.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:23am
    - Jack5
      
      Churches and religious organisations, that is Christian ones, are now prime and easy targets for the media.
      
      Some deserve attention, and where justified, exposing, but all are now potential targets of the mainstream media. The Labour paymasters approve, of course.
      
      Christianity is a new minority in Western countries, and you won’t Leftist Wokies defending it.
      
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      May 28, 2022 12:56pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    We have friends who attend that church in Christchurch. They love it, and in recent weeks during a family emergency have felt totally supported and loved. That’s the side you don’t hear so much of, but should.
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:07pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  An expose on a church? FFS what about exposing any of the following:
  
  – Government corruption and nepotism (Mahuta gang)
  – Profligate spending by this government
  – Imminent economic crisis
  – Co-governance by stealth
  – 3 waters
  – Child poverty, homelessness
  – Rampant gang activity
  – Massive spike in shootings and firearm crime
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:51am
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  As a disclaimer, I have little knowledge of, and no affiliation with, Arise Church. However, Farrier’s piece comes across as a cheap hit piece against an organisation that provides an alternative outlook to the Church of Progressive Liberalism, of which people like David Farrier are the apostles. What exactly is the aim here? Aren’t there plenty of other areas and topics on which Mr Farrier could turn his poisoned pen, ones that are of much more universal import than anything he could say about Arise Church. A case of low-hanging fruit, perhaps?
  
  We wouldn’t want anyone thinking of straying from the prescribed orthodoxy, would we? Heretics! After all, those Christians are always a ripe target for mockery and scorn – God knows the Christians have always been an obstacle to achieving social upheaval, and once achieved, to then making it stick. Those tenacious buggers are like cockroaches in a post- apocalyptic landscape.
  
  Best, then, to solicit someone from the “inside” of some putatively nefarious organisation, from whom we can have tease out (or perhaps even make up) some salacious tales to provide some much needed “insider perspective,” and to designate the organisation as a “megachurch” (sounds ominous, if ever so slightly hyperbolic, doesn’t it?). Imagine the damage a religious person could do to our secular utopia. Oh, the horror of it all.
  
  Once I was a few lines in, what immediately struck me about this piece is that it comes across as a closely analogous commentary on the workings of, I don’t know, perhaps something akin to the Labour Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. Is Farrier adopting the tactic of, say, Shakespeare, by cloaking his true target of critique in some alternative guise, lest the authorities lose patience with his impure and disloyal views?
  
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  May 28, 2022 12:27pm
G152

Anyone remind Cindy that the gangs are shooting at houses here while shes pretending out loud in the US that her crazy firearm stealing from registered gun owners worked tp prevent gun crime???????
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May 28, 2022 8:28am
Tomtoddy

The problem with having a President who is clearly going gaga is you dont know when he is on tune or when he is having a “departure from the script”.

Biden has just thrown a match onto the world’s most tinder dry fuel dump by saying the USA would come to Taiwan’s aid militarily if China got too stroppy. But no one knows whether he meant it or not. That is pretty serious stuff. It is not a game of ‘pick up sticks’.

Of course the USA should support Taiwan but the point is did he mean it? Was it it official? How will China react?

Maybe the USA will send Kamala Harris to Beijing to clarify matters!!!
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May 28, 2022 8:31am
- MCōs
  
  “But no one knows whether he meant it or not.”
  There’s no doubt he meant it. The question is, what did he mean?
  Furthermore
  Why should he not be somewhat opaque? I would have thought that’s the nature of politics, particularly when China is involved.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:45am
  - David George
    
    Yes, I don’t think, in this case, it’s done any harm for Biden to put that out there, the Chinese do it all the time. Usually better to draw a line in the sand sooner rather that later.
    “Somewhat opaque” is being very kind though, I agree with Tom – Biden has pretty much completely lost it.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:28am
    - MCōs
      
      Xi Jinping isn’t going to get Joe Biden on the phone one day and ask him what the US will do if China invades Taiwan with a million man army.
      They’ve been beating round the bush for the last 74yrs.
      If some reporter asks Xi Jinping if China will invade Taiwan with a million man army he’s going to say no.
      If China does invade it won’t be an invasion. It’ll be a reunification operation or whatever because they consider it part of China and America will send some ordinance or whatever, and call it military aid. They’ll be very reluctant to send personnel, but who knows?
      Who bloody knows?
      There’s a lot of Chinese influence around Asia.
      
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      May 28, 2022 9:59am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Why should he not be somewhat opaque ?
    Really.
    Bit like when he said it would be ok for Russia to enter Ukraine for shirmishes ? Basically a Green Light.
    
    Well, How did that end?
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:37am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Kamala Harris? She would be fantastic to send to China. “I am here today, as China and America are friends, and that is because we have been, and are friends. And of course my presence here is because I am here being friendly to, and because of our friends, China.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “America and China have been friends now for a time that is measured by the passage of time, and in this case the passage of time is very significant in that time is passing and has passed, and will continue to pass in the future. The significance of the passage of time, in so far as the time that has passed is significant, really spans the entire passage of time in this case.”
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:55am
  - Jim
    
    Sad but fair, clearly way out of her depth.
    
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    May 28, 2022 6:06pm
- Gulag1917
  
  It is doubtful whether China will attack Taiwan because the latter would be launch a counterattack on China eg ports which would cripple the Chinese economy.
  China appears to be more concerned about their economy than territorial expansion.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:00am
- Master Mariner
  
  This is the one that sticks out for me.
  
  “At a press conference following a meeting in Japan with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, the President seemed to frankly admit that high gasoline and diesel prices are just part of the overall plan for the transition to renewables.”
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/05/24/biden-says-the-quiet-part-about-the-energy-transition-out-loud/?sh=123f2c2f5306
  
  You could not do enough to deliberatly to raise Energy prices if you tried.
  
  I believe it was the plan all along. Then look at the close parallels to NZ Energy policy.
  
  Don’t worry 0800 hireawindmill coming soon to your neibourhood.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:02am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Because this is just so sane, lucid, thoughtful and statesmanlike
  
  Well, what I would do, is I would — we would — we have tremendous military capability and what we can do without planes, to be honest with you, without 44-year-old jets, what we can do is enormous. And we should be doing it and we should be helping them to survive and they’re doing an amazing job.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:10am
  - cjn
    
    Kiwiblog seems to have very talented scriptwriters! Keep it up.
    
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    May 28, 2022 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “But no one knows whether he meant it or not.”
  The media feed on this like flies on shit. Starting WW3 and all that stuff. Media can cause a lot more damage than the sick Joe Biden.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  Funny innit , only a short while ago the Lefty media were accusing Scomo’s mob of beating the war drums and being gung ho idiots marching us into oblivion , but when their Manchurian Candidate goes even further………crickets.
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  When China invades Taiwan I expect it will employ mass produced smart military drones and end all effective resistance within a day or two. Ukrainian war is showing conventional military technology is nearly useless in the face of cheap drones and smart munitions (human launched missiles) so future of war and particularly invasions will be to use in-development vast combat drone swarms costing a few $100 apiece that can take out combatants or multi million dollar heavy military equipment.
  
  Given their global dominance of communications, electronics and drone design and production China will have a significant lead in this small scale drone weapons systems development, and could quietly build and store up millions ready for deployment.
  
  Recent chinese demo to human tracking drone swarm in a forest:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0fJ0EHHfOA
  
  And where it’s going: “Slaughterbots”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
  
  All countries in possible line for Chinese Hegemonic ambitions need to invest heavily in military drone-swarm and UAV countermeasure development, whatever that might be.
  
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  May 28, 2022 12:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What explains Labour’s seemingly never-ending incompetence?

Michael Bassett leaves us in no doubt as to what he thinks of the stumblebums in our Dud’s Army.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett
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May 28, 2022 8:35am
kowtow

Some Awk mayoral candidate thinks a CentralAwk cop shop will do something for crime .
Daft Dunners has one and right o/s their front door has become a cess pit of disorder , cos it’s a “bus hub” .

Meanwhile backing an ex con with alleged gang associations is not the way to get votes , not in the middle of a crime wave .

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/more-disorder-dunedin-bus-hub
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May 28, 2022 8:35am
Scooter

I see another baby murdered in Otara, but never mind because we should use our resources to combat climate change. If only people who listened to Jacinda Ardern knew what was really going on in NZ with violence gun crime etc.
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May 28, 2022 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Second safest country in the world’ .
  
  Not for the unborn and newly nataled.
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

RNZ running cover for the incompetent 3 Waters programme

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/what-you-need-to-know/468026/three-waters-part-ii-what-you-need-to-know

It’s hard not to think that Michael Bassett is correct when he writes:

Mahuta is insisting on co-governance with her Three Waters and the health restructuring but has managed only to demonstrate its sinister side with her family nepotism. As can be seen from the way Nanaia has been engineering her family into lucrative positions of influence, her vision of co-governance will involve corruption on one side and democracy on the other. A tangled conflicting mess from which ordinary Labour voters will be the principal losers.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett
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May 28, 2022 8:42am
- Philview
  
  The media should be screaming for her resignation but all very quiet. I read the Democracy Project article about all the changes to democracy the Government are working on. Imagine state funded political parties (which has been proposed) with a relative of Nanaia in control of allocation. At one time such a thought would have been too far fetched but not any more.
  
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  May 28, 2022 8:52am
Gulag1917

False flag?
Robb Elementary School shooting.

-2000 rounds of ammo*
– two Ar-15s $5000 plus optics and body armour
-Mom pleading to forgive her son “He had his reasons”
-Known threat months in advance by the FBI
-Timeline that doesn’t add up
-Husband of one of the slain teachers died of a heart attack 2 days after the attack
-Shot Grandmother point blank in broad daylight
-Crashed $70k F250 in broad daylight and then shot at innocent bystanders at a funeral home before jumping a fence onto the school property
– Police arrive 14 minutes after he Crashed the truck and the first 911 call was placed
– Police back off after receiving fire from the gunman
– US Marshall’s handcuff parents trying to go in and pull their kids out of harms way after multiple pleadings to quit standing around and do something
– Shooter Continues to parade around the school for 40 minutes while Police are waiting for backup
– Democrats immediately call for stricter gun control instead of actually wanting better protection for the kids.
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May 28, 2022 8:46am
- Ross Campbell
  
  I am surprised it’s taken this long for someone on here to have a brain fart and suggest the Robb Elementary shooting was a false flag.
  Seek help, society will be better off for it.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:20am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    What is your argument: that false flags in the service of policy goals don’t happen, or that this incident doesn’t fit the description? As with anything involving the suggestion of a conspiracy, or with some circumstance perhaps not being precisely as it appears and is officially presented, the “argument” against it reduces to a fallacious argument from personal incredulity (i.e. I don’t accept the suggestion, therefore it is a false suggestion). Not good enough.
    
    We have seen enough, particularly in the last decade, to justifiably withhold the benefit of any doubt to the authorities. They have to earn it, and it should never be automatically given to them. While organic mass shootings can and no doubt do occur, context is very important in order to reach a conclusion.
    
    Gulag1917 above cites some very pertinent points, none of which you address at all. The federal government, desirous to restrict gun ownership among the populace, certainly has every interest in allowing such tragedies to unfold, given the pretext it provides for their policy goal. Collateral damage is likely an acceptable cost. The biggest red flag (among many) related to this event is the teams of heavily armed police waiting outside for 40 minutes while the loan gunman massacred 20 children, and even detaining frantic parents who wanted to go in themselves. Why was this the case?
    
    More broadly speaking, if we are in a position to accept that false flags can happen, then we are halfway down the track of accepting that they do happen.
    
    Consider this article:
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/03/politics/us-alleges-russian-false-flag-ukraine/index.html
    
    Leaving aside the many very well known historical false flags such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident that provided the pretext for heavy involvement in Vietnam, or the sinking of the USS Maine that precipitated the Spanish-American War, when the US above is openly invoking the concept of a false flag expected to be performed by Russia, then in so doing they are validating the very principle of a false flag. This is a very revealing admission. False flag attacks are “a thing,” otherwise why would the US accuse Russia of planning “a thing,” the type of which is but a fever dream of segments of the population?
    
    So, false flags can happen, as demonstrated, and if they can happen, it is a short logical step to the conclusion that they do happen. Why wait for the right set of circumstances to arise, when you can make them arise at your will? Cynical yes, but ruthlessly pragmatic also.
    
    The underlying assumption of those who dismiss the notion of nefarious actions performed or allowed by the authorities is really just that they believe that the government/authorities both wouldn’t and couldn’t so act. What is the basis for this position? There is no good reason at all to rule this out as a first principle, no matter how disturbing it is to contemplate. Much of the history of the world is the history of groups of people cynically and ruthlessly deceiving other people in the service of some goal, very often coming with a great cost.
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The gunman was a coward. I still don’t know if it was a gun free zone, but suspect is was.
  Armed security in schools is needed. If unaffordable, talk to the retired Veterans. I am sure there are plenty who would volunteer. Vets have been there done that on their Tours of Duty – they have faced violent shit. School shootings would stop overnight.
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:04am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    As I noted yesterday, if society wasn’t fundamentally broken, mass shootings would not occur with anything near the regularity with which they do. Why did school shootings not begin in earnest until the 1990s, even though Americans have always had access to high-powered firearms? Because before then, US society was strong, cohesive and functional, whereas now, it is, to a much larger extent, none of those things. Depressed, alienated and probably dosed with powerful anti-depressants, the kids of the 1990s were some of the first fruit of a very bad tree. It takes a gunman to pull the trigger, but the causal chain goes back much further than that.
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I do remember The Andy Griffiths Show. One episode there was a ute/pickup with a gunrack behind the seats, in front of the rear windscreen. Two rifles. Good thing Barney did not know….
      
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      May 28, 2022 3:38pm
  - Gulag1917
    
    Not many new police would scare me. Glad they have excluded dwarfs so far.
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gloriavale wants our forgiveness.

But surely if the Leaders of Gloriavale are admitting to using child Labour and slavery, then they need to be prosecuted.

If they have been employing young children in lieu of payment for their parents’ accommodation at Gloriavale, then the Leaders need to return all the Working for Family support payments the NZ Taxpayer has poured into Gloriavale.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/02/gloriavale-gets-2m-a-year-in-tax-credits-court-hears/
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May 28, 2022 8:50am
Surely Knott

Christian Eteuati has been named as the violent walkway murderer at large. But where are the details about him? There are none and no trail of him on the Internet? Compare that to the Texas murderer where we have many details about his life , mental state, schooling issues etc. Who is the walkway murderer does he have a job, how long has he held the job, where does he live, is he a nz citizen, is he a 501 returnee, has he been in prison, is he a parolee, what do his friends, family, and employer say about his recent behaviour? Why is his face beat up in the picture? What is his previous criminal record? You know….journalism stuff.
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May 28, 2022 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Eteuati already has the first plank in any appeal against a future conviction in place. By releasing his name and saying he’s wanted for the Mt Albert murder, they have diminished the chance of ever getting a jury that doesn’t already believe the guy is a murderer. The last time I looked, the golden thread of our criminal justice system, as it was so eloquently described by Horace Rumpole, was that you were innocent until proven guilty.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Last year ODT ran an article on the 10 members of the Etuati family who were studying at Otago Uni.
  
  Christian Etuati was amongst them, enrolled for a B.Sc.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-study-central-family
  
  If this is the same young man, then the cops are probably well aware that a major mental health deterioration has occurred.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:35am
  - kowtow
    
    I reckon not the same lad , given the undergrad is 19 in March 2021 and the wanted one is given as 22 y.o
    
    But maths is not my strong suit.
    
    Also the photo ‘s don’t totally match. The wanted guy’s a bit more gaunt than the undergrad.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good journalism stuff is dead in NZ. Media are repeaters, they watch US and UK media and give their opinion while showing it
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:09am
- MCōs
  
  What do you want to know all that stuff for?
  The police released his name and picture and next minute someone has dobbed him in and now he’s in prison.
  
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  May 28, 2022 6:50pm
David Garrett

Here is the worst example yet of judicial rewriting of the three strikes law which is still the law, although of course its demise is near:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/third-strike-sentencing-zacquirin-tikena-stuchberys-mongrel-mob-upbringing-cited/UGRAB7QRYLG56NS5KDUOFIDWZA/

The judge, the usually pretty sensible Paul Davison, says that:
“…a 14-year sentence, even with the possibility of parole, would be so “disproportionately severe and crushing” as to shock the conscience of New Zealand.”

I say bullshit to that. With a few exceptions – such as people like the double killer and the ubiquitous troll Milky – I don’t believe sending this prick away for 10 years or so – a 14 year sentence with parole – would upset anyone.

But back to my starting point. This judge is effectively rewriting law again – in effect repealing a law which remains on the books, and which at least theoretically, parliament may never get around to repealing.
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May 28, 2022 8:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
  You can’t have it both ways little one. 3S was going to solve violent crime, then when that didn’t work it was “at least” putting the “bastards” away for a long time but that didn’t work either.
  That’s the thing about stealing other people’s stuff and calling it your own, it’s fraudulent at its heart, and deepens your misery of knowing you’re a thief and that you stole something of little value.
  Paul Davison was the Prosecutor in the Watson case who is stalled in the High Court now but its streets ahead of a swamp.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:50am
  - David Garrett
    
    Well I might be “a thief” you homicidal bastard; at least I never killed anyone, let alone twice.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:57am
    - David Garrett
      
      Oh I forgot – YES Brian; you are apparently much taller than me. Your seeming obsession with my lack of stature is frankly bizarre…but then I have little or no understanding of how the mind of a psychopath like you works.
      
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      May 28, 2022 9:59am
    - Inandout
      
      DG, I have finally decided to Google that name.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/99273873/convicted-murderer-behind-scott-watson-appeal
      
      Shit, I am lost for words on that man.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:49am
      - David Garrett
        
        Inand: Yep, the guy is a two time killer. In the past, I have invited him to express some remorse for the murder of Margaret Bell – he responds as if it is a joke. He is a psychopath, just one uncontrolled rage away from a third homicide.
        
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        May 28, 2022 12:33pm
      - David Garrett
        
        This is the closest he has ever come to expressing remorse:
        
        “People ended up getting hurt. I regret it all.”
        
        “People ended up getting hurt” – translation: People ended up dead because of his actions.
        
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        May 28, 2022 12:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        From that link – personally I think Scot Watson had nothing to do with killing those young people.
        I have my own views, from what happened after. Here is not the right place to even comment.
        
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        May 28, 2022 3:50pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Margaret Bell
    
    Born: 1961
    
    Murdered: 1979
    
    RIP
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  Conscience of New Zealand.
  
  pfft
  
  Referenda show we’re not crim huggers like these outta touch judges.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Agree wholeheartedly David. My conscience certainly wouldn’t have been shocked had this thug, who beat his partner so severely that he shattered her eye socket, go the 3S maximum sentence.
  
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  May 28, 2022 1:13pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Tony S: I believe our gracious host is going to give Kiwibloggers an opportunity to say what sentence they think would be appropriate for this prick: 14 years non parole; 14 years with parole, or something less. The results will be very interesting.
    
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    May 28, 2022 2:00pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’d be happy with 14 years, and perhaps a ten-year minimum parole period.
      
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      May 28, 2022 2:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief…
Ardern has signed a Climate deal with California

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/128787830/new-zealand-and-california-ink-deal-to-cooperate-on-climate

It seems she is unaware of the fact that California has one of the highest Energy rates in the USA and the highest levels of poverty.

https://freopp.org/the-high-cost-of-california-electricity-is-increasing-poverty-d7bc4021b705
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May 28, 2022 9:02am
- David Garrett
  
  This ludicrous: How in God’s name is a state of the US – on the other side of the Pacific Ocean – going to co-operate with us on climate change? Or for that matter on anything unrelated to trade?
  
  Virtue signaling for the not-so-bright, pure and simple.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:06am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What an odd comment/question. For a start, climate change isn’t unrelated to trade, and even if it were there’s plenty of ways countries can cooperate on matters unrelated to trade.
    
    Share information, experiences, technology. Invest in a share of each other’s research projects. Undertake research that will complement research that’s going on in the other country. Fund emissions reduction in the other country, if the other country’s geographic or other characteristics mean that they are able to reduce emissions more efficiently than you are, such that the same money will buy more spent there than it will here.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:21am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Two worse than useless governments cooperating to waste more money. That’s exactly what this means.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:51am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, it’s meaningless twaddle. Anything for a headline forgetting she’s in charge of a rapidly declining economy of a once proud and prosperous country formerly known as New Zealand.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Getting lots of airpoints – or is she traveling on Air Force 1?
  Btw, Newsome is a commie
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:55am
  - Don Beckett
    
    So is Jacinda.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She has prob gone walkabout to see what poor homeless people look like living in tents and shitting in the streets.
  Getting an idea of how much she can do to NZ before getting voted out.
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:29am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Steve – all correct but maybe more accurately framed as:
    “Getting an idea of how much destruction she can wreck on NZ before getting her Globalist promotion.”
    
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    May 28, 2022 2:11pm
  - Jim
    
    Plan B for when the motel money runs out
    
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    May 28, 2022 6:27pm
cas

I was reading the Herald this morning through Pressreader and came across a page of nominations for media of the Year awards. I was pleased to see Michael Morrah featuring as he has done some great work in exposing the Covid farces but very surprised not to see Lisette Reymer’s name. She has been outstanding in reporting from the Ukraine. But then when Simon Wilson gets nominated……..
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May 28, 2022 9:07am
Inandout

Maggy, our MSM is having a field day with Jacinda’s escapades in the US and one wonders what on earth she will sign under the watchful eyes of Biden’s advisors. You are correct of course as California is a classic example of a Dem State in freefall.
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May 28, 2022 9:11am
ClanMcleod

Good to see Aunty Helen still pulling strings. We aren’t taking enough advantage of covid to restructure society in the manner of her beloved UN.

https://t.me/CoronvirusPlushie/3418
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May 28, 2022 9:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  Clan, See my post regarding ESG ( If the moderator wakes up 🙂
  
  [Mod – even moderators are allowed a sleep-in once in a while]
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:52am
lastmanstanding

IMHO the CCP are establishing a Red Band across the top of Aus and out into the eastern Pacific so at some point they can threaten to blockade Aus and NZ unless their demands are met.
If anyone has an alternative explanation I would be interested to hear it.
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May 28, 2022 9:28am
- David Garrett
  
  Lastman: Sounds about right…I’m just waiting for China to do a deal with Tonga, which is massively in debt to the Chinese. Tonga also has a harbour in Vava’u, the northern group of islands, which would make a perfect naval base; known back in the day as The Port of Refuge. It’s big enough to take a couple of aircraft carriers and still have plenty of room for smaller vessels.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    It sounds like a race to see whose going to offer to pay Tonga’s debt first between Aust, NZ, and China whilst keeping its King and minions in a manner to which they have aspirations.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:40am
    - David Garrett
      
      Nick: Actually the present King is a pretty good bloke; not the Brain of Britain, but a decent man, quite unlike his profligate and frankly rather silly predecessor.
      
      Remember also that the commoners of Tonga now control the legislature; it is no longer the rubber stamp parliament it once was. If the Tongans were unhappy with the monarchy as an institution, they could do away with it. So far as I know, there is no such wish among the people of Tonga.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:23am
      - Nickc2
        
        TKS David, I was not attempting to cast dispersions on the King or his people. I have in fact met the King on numerous occasions when I was in uniform although he was not the king at the time.
        
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        May 28, 2022 10:28am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Kiribati Next. Along with there Fishing Fleet.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:54am
    - Nickc2
      
      The Chinese have already built a wharf there I believe.
      
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      May 28, 2022 10:42am
  - PeeJay
    
    Got to give the Chinese credit though – as a strategy, it’s quite brilliant.
    
    Fund infrastructure for trade, that can also support military, through loans. Take over the infrastructure during the default – which the loan conditions and the ability to repay made default effectively guaranteed. Make the client state more and more dependent on you – more loans with none of that oversight the west demands (that prevents some of it being diverted), which means the ruling elite is effectively a puppet, propped up by loans and no doubt getting rich through the process, and you end up being with China having a slew of client states and able to potentially blockade two western countries main trade routes.
    
    They are playing the same gig in Africa I see.
    
    Dare say NZ and Aussie will end up throwing more “aid” at the Pacific for next to zero impact.
    
    Interesting times.
    
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    May 28, 2022 9:57am
    - Jim
      
      The strategy is simply taking advantage of a basic power imbalance, very little different to tactics employed by politicians and criminal gangs.
      
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      May 28, 2022 6:36pm
- kowtow
  
  It is also an extended cordon sanitaire around Taiwan , and its circles get bigger . Pushing any ‘action” further and further from the Homeland.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:00am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What do you think China wants of Australia and New Zealand, that it can’t already obtain from us through normal commerce, at considerably less political and economic expense than by military means?
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    China wants resources and cheap labour.
    
    Sure they can (and will) take over many of NZ’s businesses, but they will not like propping up a tax-structure that rewards folks unwilling to put their shoulder to the plough.
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Food
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:35am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Which we are more than happy to sell them, at far less cost to them than a military operation would be.
      
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      May 28, 2022 1:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They want to own farms etc, then employ kiwis on low wages.
        Own the land? Good luck with getting it off Maori. China will buy it at a huge price, then Moari will want it back, or reparations. Big mistake China.
        
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        May 28, 2022 3:56pm
    - Jim
      
      Food and mineral reserves in one of the world’s biggest EEZ.
      
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      May 28, 2022 6:37pm
  - kevn
    
    @Albert… Our oil and gas is parked up for them.
    
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    May 28, 2022 3:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Holy Moly..

Our Dear PM has at least another 5 overseas trips lined up this year.

This is the second overseas trip with the Prime Minister this year and plans are already firming for at least another five.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/travel-in-the-usa-with-the-prime-minister-in-tow
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May 28, 2022 9:36am
- Nickc2
  
  Sounds like she’s finally realised her time is up.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Still gets a salary for life, plus other perks
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:40am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep, no suprises there Maggy. Making a network. That’s what you do when you need to line up another job, and she will be looking for one next year. The funny thing is that overseas she is currently tolerated. But there are a good few now that realise she is as dumb as a sack of hammers, an empty vessel. Once she is turfed out, they will cut her off as quick as look at you.
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    My Nigerian uncle has more integrity than does Ardern. She’ll last 5 minutes in a UN role before her betters realise they’ve been duped by an unintelligent, narcissistic flake.
    
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    May 28, 2022 3:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  There was an old acronym FILTH (Failed in London Try Hong Kong). Maybe we could adapt to FUNZOVA (Fucked Up New Zealand Off Vacationing Abroad)
  Cindy’s govt is fucking everything up in NZ, so focus on overseas virtue signalling exercises where there is nothing delivered other than words, and no actual results to be judged on. It’s the obvious move for the queen of (job and question) avoidance with her kindy visits in NZ, and has side benefit of keeping her away from embarrassing questions – she only travels with sycophantic journos. Gotta build up those air miles and burn that jet fuel.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is almost like Labour and Greens are fucking things on purpose. They do the minimum amount of time and work required to qualify the post Govt perks. Salaries, international air travel, car for life, accommodation subsidies, food etc. This applies to spouses as well. Some may not get all of this, it depends on being MP, Minister, Prime Minister and Deputy PM.
    I should have gone into Govt!
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    FUNZOVA
    excellent acronym
    
    Quite a few of us realised the fun was over as soon as
    Jacinda gave us one of her creepy smiles.
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:03pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  Nero travels while Rome burns it seems.
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This deserves a ton of upticks, because it is true.
    
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    May 28, 2022 12:00pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s called the Jacinda Ardern Farewell Tour…
  
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  May 28, 2022 1:14pm
kevn

@Maggy…. Self promotion tours.
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May 28, 2022 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well if they involve flying back and forth across continental masses a couple of times, then I hate to think what the Green Party are going to say.
  
  There are 14 flying legs on this trip with a back and forward across the continent twice.
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/travel-in-the-usa-with-the-prime-minister-in-tow
  
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  May 28, 2022 9:50am
  - PeeJay
    
    Probably the same outrage they vented when that guy went to the Climate Conference in Glasgow with all those hangers-on, during the “pandemic” for a conference that was all but over!
    
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    May 28, 2022 10:04am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      You forgot to say, they talked to an empty room.
      
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      May 28, 2022 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wonder who paid for the dress he was wearing?
      
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      May 28, 2022 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Green Party will say “Do as I say, not as I do”
    
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    May 28, 2022 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Promoted relentlessly as about “trade” , but as can be seen from the desperation to get a photo op with Mr 10 % Creepy Joe it is as you say all self promotion.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:01am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf, waiting to get served in Jack Lum’s this morning and overheard a woman telling another one that the Ardern household can now boast both a Doctor AND a Pharmacist.

LO
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May 28, 2022 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is pretty savage
  
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  May 28, 2022 12:04pm
- MCōs
  
  Somebody, I don’t know who, said this
  
  “Sir Robert Muldoon received an honorary doctorate from a university in Seoul. On returning to New Zealand, Muldoon was initially disappointed with the lack of acclaim of his award, so when a member of the Opposition, Russell Marshall, asked Sir Robert about it in the House, Muldoon beamed and confirmed his delight that he had indeed been awarded an honorary degree.
  So followed the supplementary question from Marshall: Will the Prime Minister be using the title Doctor full time as in Goebbels or part time as in Jekyll?”
  
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  May 28, 2022 2:50pm
Rusty

Does our MSM have it in for christian churches in NZ?
Gloriavale and Arise church recently and you can guarantee when Brian Tamaki makes any public comment the media will ridicule him.

Not saying these churches haven’t done wrong but do the muslims and other non-christian religions in NZ ever have bad people and practices — our media never seem to tell us.
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May 28, 2022 9:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sure they do:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7276285/Mosque-trustee-jailed-for-1m-theft
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117040153/sikh-temple-to-pay-100k-for-breaching-employment-laws
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deportation-for-founder-of-dubious-temple/SBVEFSQHH3GMDJKNVSHTKFLDCY/
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Maggie
    
    It’s the incessant drum beat of the msm against certain sects like Gloriavale and indeed mainstream Catholics ie the campaign to rename Kavanagh College.
    
    There’s no way they’d actively campaign so incessantly to non Xtians .
    
    Don’t get me wrong . I’m all for the media holding to account and all that . But they do pull their punches in certain instances.
    
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    May 28, 2022 11:45am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      I think it’s an interesting observation that it has become a popular media past time to beat up the Catholic church and the Gloriavale community while emphasising and framing it as primarily a religious issue. In fact, the fundamental issue with Catholic priests is that they are gay men committing sex crimes, and the alleged “harmful sexual behaviour” at Gloriavale is an essential feature of modernity, what with its championing of liberating promiscuity and all of its consequences, as well as trends like encouraging and even assigning virtue to homosexual teachers who “come out” to their charges and/or propagandise them into LGBTQ ideology.
      
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      May 28, 2022 2:09pm
    - MCōs
      
      Cults like Gloriavale hardly deserve anyones sympathy, in my opinion.
      Likewise I have little time for these rock star churches like Arise and Destiny.
      
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      May 28, 2022 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

Like my partner just said….rather than Ardern wasting time meeting with that senile-old-prick Biden, she might actually learn something if she made an appointment to catch up with Donny Jr.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1530287599495036928
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May 28, 2022 10:12am
Master Mariner

A good article on Nuclear power and renewables.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/05/27/rolls-royces-smr-needs-10000-times-less-land-than-wind-energy-proves-iron-law-of-power-density/?sh=4d9cceee98f0

“Dave Merrill, an ace reporter and data analyst at Bloomberg, reported that “Two-thirds of America’s total energy footprint is devoted to…corn grown for ethanol. It requires more land than all other power sources combined.”

Well worth a read.

So where is NZ going to get ethanol from ? Is it going to be pre blended offshore or exported here?
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/biofuel-mandate-runs-up-against-unintended-consequences

Indonesia banned exports of Palm Oil ( Only just restarted again).

Really “Scorched Earth” Policy.

How else would you describe it?
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May 28, 2022 10:14am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Numbskull politicians dabbling in engineering and economics. What could possibly go wrong except everything?
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:47am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes indeed Alan,
    
    Ever wonder where inflation came from or at least accounted for most of it.
    
    https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/66e3aa5c3be4647addd01845ce353992-0190062022/original/Container-Port-Performance-Index-2021.pdf
    
    NZ Ports are a Basket case, And the reason why shippers stopped coming here.
    
    Check out board of directors and Micky Mouse Diversity “Ring ins” on mostly council controlled assets.
    
    Time to have people who actually know how to get “Shit Done”.
    
    NZ Ports are some of the worst in the World. Let that sink in while you grumble at costs in Briscoes, Bunnings etc.
    
    Inflation, Really need to gut the Political Ring ins and get People who know what they are doing.
    
    Well worth a read ( Robinson, Both “thick as 2 planks Woods” and everyone who complains about inflation).
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:17pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      One container port serviced by feeder ships.
      
      Whangarei for the port and any idea of using the Manukau should be thrown in the bin.
      
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      May 28, 2022 3:24pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        I believe 2 feeder vessels coming down for 2 years soon, Not tottaly sure but at least a step in the right direction if true.
        
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        May 29, 2022 6:40am
    - Jim
      
      OMG MM, that was a lot of scrolling! To anyone else just save time and go straight to the bottom of the table in the Executive Summary. Our ports are certainly NOT performing as an economic enabler for NZ.
      
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      May 28, 2022 7:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  The Aussies have a 10 percent mandate of ethanol to petrol and their ethanol is derived from sugar cane.
  There is also a reluctance to using what is known as E10 fuel for many reasons including deterioration of fluid seals.
  
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  May 28, 2022 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that what was wrong with petrol years ago when anything made of rubber deteriorated when coming into contact with it?
    Fergi 35 at work suffered
    
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    May 28, 2022 12:13pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I assume you mean a 1935 Massey Ferguson Tractor? Rubber seals/hoses/impellers etc do deteriorate over time when in contact with petroleum products regardless but Ethanol hastens the deterioration I believe.
      
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      May 28, 2022 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        35 is the model number. It was about a 1959. Petrol, all reconditioned. Motor is same as Vanguard. I reconed the hydraulic pump. Previous one was a Fergi 28, about 1952. Diesel – pig of a thing.
        
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        May 28, 2022 1:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It appears Jacinda Ardern will be meeting Biden on Tuesday.
The same day that Biden meets with K-Pop stars BTS.

BTS are meeting Biden to highlight crimes & Hatred against Asians
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/k-pop-bts-white-house/index.html

Perhaps Our Dear PM will be able to tell of all the crime our Asian shop-owners experience here in NZ…and the random violence attacks they’ve endured.
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May 28, 2022 11:05am
Maggie Pie

Just speaking with my partner’s mum….
she was saying we need to bring back the nut house.
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May 28, 2022 11:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who could disagree with that?
  
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  May 28, 2022 11:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can’t wait until she gets back//
    
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    May 28, 2022 1:33pm
Bridgenag

There is an old one at Kingseat………ideal to redevelop for cheap housing. Very large grounds and buildings that could be refurbished as well. Always think “what a waste” when passing. 501’s ?
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May 28, 2022 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  501’s are such bastards they would all be dead in 1 month – shooting each other. Why does Oz want to get rid of them???
  
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  May 28, 2022 4:08pm
Ross Campbell

“We need to bring back the nut house”
Why, does she need some time out?.
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May 28, 2022 12:02pm
Surely Knott

Self proclaimed socialist Tony Blair , “ “I am a socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral.”
Maiden speech, House of Commons, July 6 1983”

Tony Blair’s families house portfolio. No problem good for them. In fact the article celebrates the sons success. All good. People deserve to be rewarded for hard work and innovation. But are they really practicing socialists with different moral values? It seems not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10862089/Euan-Blair-buys-22-million-west-London-townhouse.html#comments
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May 28, 2022 12:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.”
  
  Matthew 25:29
  
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  May 28, 2022 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Vanuatu has just declared that it is facing a climate emergency.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/468020/vanuatu-declares-a-climate-emergency

The reality is.. it is facing a population explosion.
Too many young people on a land area that cannot sustain them.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/vanuatu-population
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May 28, 2022 1:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  They better get used to a staple diet of rice eh?
  By the look of the population graph, there must be a lot of Catholics there.
  
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  May 28, 2022 1:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need contraception, then they can continue screwing.
  Too many young people that just don’t want to work? To pick up a shovel? Dig the garden?
  
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  May 28, 2022 4:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Posted that before I viewed the links. Second one, I don’t see how there can be 900 odd thousand in the future. Who will feed them?
    
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    May 28, 2022 4:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That has been the history of small islands since time immemorial when their population exceeds the carrying capacity of their available resources.
      
      Many inhabitants either starve or emigrate.
      
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      May 28, 2022 5:10pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The WEF should hold their conference in Vanuatu. The amount being invested for the conference would be of great help to Vanuatu and the self appointed unelected “elites” could see first hand the countries that would be affected by climate change. No rolex shops or fancy cafes. But…
  
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  May 28, 2022 5:53pm
Taieri

The reality is.. it is facing a population explosion
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No. It’s the climate change that makes them more fertile. The higher temperatures are good for libido.
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May 28, 2022 1:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

TVNZ loses its big star…..just 1 month into the job

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/auckland-top-stories/300600034/new-breakfast-host-kamahl-santamaria-quits-tvnz
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May 28, 2022 3:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He must have been too center lift for the rest of them. Or maybe he does not understand the continuous Moari words that are pushed in.
  “Now we move to the South Motu” What a load of shit!
  
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  May 28, 2022 4:23pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Looking at his CV maybe he was just fed up with working alongside a bunch of numpties
  
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  May 28, 2022 7:36pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m surprised it took him that long to realise he’b been cast to work with a bunch of lesbians and gays,
    
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    May 28, 2022 8:36pm
- Inthe09
  
  Resigned hu.
  
  Shades of the Hawkesby debacle when they pushed Richard Long out – but hey it’s just our money they’re spending (sorry wasting).
  
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  May 28, 2022 7:50pm
fernglas

Oranga Tamariki and whanau put ideology over the safety and happiness of a young child in an appeal in the “Moana” case. The assumption that cultural issues trump child welfare in a case where a child has repeatedly been abused and neglected in a previous whanau setting, and is now in a stable and happy home with people who love her and want to offer her all that is best for her, is a shocking indictment of the extent to which social ideology can be pressed at the expense of a vulnerable individual
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128650907/moana-case-appeal-over-mori-girl-placed-with-pkeh-couple?cid=app-android
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May 28, 2022 5:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One World Govt.
Paul Rand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KknfRwyckpM
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May 28, 2022 5:37pm
wilderbeast

Should be worried about Jacinda’s “agreement” with California or is it just PR fluff? I’m tired of these foreign agreements that come without warning and end up being future justification for stupid domestic policies, “oh, but we signed up to Davos, Rio” etc etc. The only winners are tenured politicians looking for their next gig, the losers are everyday people left holding the baby.
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May 28, 2022 5:39pm
- nathie
  
  I thought governments usually informed the public in advance to allow for considered debate whilst making its case.
  
  Nowadays Labour is so “Open & Transparent” they don’t even bother.
  
  What is that arrogance? Or telling the people “the science has been settled”? (And if one disagrees, that they have been “misinformed” by social media)?
  
  Meanwhile the MSM simply cheers along with Labour.
  
  Is that why there is a public perception they are known as the Team of $55m?
  
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  May 28, 2022 7:36pm
fernglas

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/lotto-wins-over-business-success-entrepreneur-decries-nzs-tall-poppy-syndrome/K43NLWW5J5E2ND7MTWD7GD3ZFE/
Customs arrival and departure figures over the last year show an excess of about 60,000 people leaving over arriving. In April 2022 alone the excess was 16,000 people. This is not just pent up OE demand, nor will these people necessarily return to New Zealand, as Ardern so blithely assumes based on her personal experience. New Zealand has the second biggest diaspora in the OECD, just behind Ireland, and nobody seems to want to do anything about it. You know why the country is so unproductive? Because those with ambition, drive and intelligence have all packed up and gone, leaving a motley collection of welfare parasites, civil servants and property speculators to run the place, with the assistance of a bunch of unskilled migrants. Good luck, Aotearoa
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May 28, 2022 5:49pm
- kevn
  
  @fern…. labours solution to housing issues.
  
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Just got home from playing tennis at a friends place all aftnoon

You wont believe what we heard Mr Santamaria has been up to….
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  @Maggie… Started a lawnmowing round?
  
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