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mikenmildagain

Happy World Oceans Day!
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June 8, 2022 8:03am
- Lenticular
  
  Mods,why do you put up with this constant forum sliding / topic dilution? It isn’t expressing anything worth debating; it’s designed only to annoy your users and make your forum worse.
  
  [Mod – it’s a general debate, and the comment doesn’t breach any rules]
  
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  December 8, 2021 11:35am
  - Lenticular
    
    Sure, but day in, day out, this guy posts an asinine comment purely to make your forum worse.
    I don’t deny he’s found a way to skirt around your rules; but it’s the equivalent of graffiti.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:13pm
- RalphT
  
  Sometimes I think you’re all at sea.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Is that Oceans 11 or Oceans 12 ?
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:40am
Prince

Happy NZ Pakeha Family Day.
A day to celebrate the European tradition of child rearing, encapsulated in the expression “It takes a family to raise a child’.
Judging by statistics In every area, Education, Health, Welfare, the pakeha ethos should be celebrated across the ‘motu’.
Congratulations and well done to mums and dads everywhere.
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June 8, 2022 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  If you must use “pakeha” , might as well use whanau , what ?
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:30am
  - iMP
    
    When writing “whanau” should I use English letters or Maori?… oh, wait…
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:53am
  - Prince
    
    Well, no. ‘Whanau’ means extended family – ie aunts, uncles, foster uncles, friends of family, associates, etc etc. Anyone can be whanau.
    The benefit of the pakeha methos is that family generally means parents, siblings, grandparents – but not necessarily mates or ‘extended family’.
    The point is, the parents control the messaging, and take responsibility. It seems to work more often than other ways.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s good for us pale male stale old fullas😃
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:47am
- Paulus
  
  What is the motu ?
  Don’t think I have one that I can find !
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:44pm
Scott

Boris Johnson survives the vote of no confidence but he reveals the bitter disgust the general public feels with politicians. Politicians who lock everyone else down but don’t observe the rules themselves. While the Queen was sitting alone, social distancing, at the funeral of her husband, Boris was partying with his staff. That upsets me and I’m not even British!

Here’s my point. The politicians and the experts didn’t follow their own covid rules because they didn’t believe in them.
From our Minister of health,to Siouxse Wiles to Gavin Newsom in California, politicians around the world locked everyone down while acting freely themselves.

This leads me to the conclusion that Covid was never the end of the world! Our government’s response was always an overreaction. We know this because they never followed the rules themselves. They knew covid was not the threat they led us to believe.

Did we all lock down for nothing?
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June 8, 2022 8:03am
- Lee C
  
  Kerplunk, Scott.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:24am
- Michael Johnston
  
  Not for nothing Scott. We locked down so that the politicians could see how compliant we would be under the influence of fear and conformity. Now they know, and they will use that knowledge in the future.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:47am
  - waikatosinger
    
    What other non-problems are being portrayed as an existential threat to make people afraid and justify socialist authoritarianism. How about climate change. There is just as much hypocrisy around that “issue” and it is quite clear that the self appointed elites don’t really believe it is a threat, what with all the seaside property they own and all the air travel they do.
    
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    June 8, 2022 4:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Control is why we were locked down. Control by a socialist trying to make a New Zimbabwe.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:48am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Politicians put hard lockdown rules in because the polls/people demanded they do it. The vast majority of people were terrified and wanted the state to save them. If the polls had said something different, they’d have done something different, they are politicians first and foremost afterall.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:05am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The people demanded a lockdown because the media and politicians created fear using disinformation. We were told covid was a terrible new virus of the magnitude we’d never seen before and people were falling over in the streets dead and being taken away by men in hazmat suits, spraying the streets with disinfectant, people being put on ventilators and dying. In reality it was a virus similar to any other respiratory virus and not particularly deadly. We were told they were “covid deaths” for over a year before we were told they were actually deaths within 28 days of a positive test and not necessarily related to covid. People wanted a lockdown in response to the medias very deliberate campaign.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:32am
    - tf78
      
      I think (and knew at the time) we were conned.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The polls only did that due to a deliberate and coordinated propaganda campaign, paid for with taxpayer money. A cynical use of applied psychology and “sustained propaganda” as admitted by Brenda on live television.
    
    This is her job on behalf of the WEF. This is why she was recruited for the Young Global Leader programme. She had organised and implemented the demolition of our current democratic system. Destruction of our economy. Fracturing of our society and family units. All groundwork for the “Great Reset” we now know is a reality, no longer a conspiracy.
    
    The question is, what do we do about it?
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:37am
  - putty
    
    Many were terrified, as a direct result of the propaganda coming out of ours and plenty of other governments, supported by a compliant and unchallenging media.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:50am
  - Lee C
    
    Delusional Bullshit TT.
    It was a power-grab by career-centred politicos who saw the opportunity of a lifetime to overide even the most basic checks and balances to further their own narrow gains.
    
    Ardern’s masgerpiece of damage-control day one:
    “If we let this into the country, tens of thousands of people will die”.
    
    What kind of irresponsible, self-aggrandising fucking nut-job does that?
    
    I’ll tell you – the type of nut-job who is obsessed with grandstanding and centralised collectivist control over even the smallest details of your life.
    
    She manufactured the terror, pure and simple.
    
    People not being able to see this continually astounds me.
    
    Politicians ‘listening’ to the people. Are you missing a slate? What about Wellington?
    
    Your ‘reasonable’ back-peddling is a sickening indictment of how our system makes shit up all the time and gets away with it.
    
    For the children.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:52am
    - coge
      
      The entire NZ political class unquestioningly and eagerly participated in overbearing fear mongering. And the associated ongoing removal of the rights of the NZ public. This of course includes Luxon and Willis.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:57am
      - mawm
        
        And our “libertarian” Seymour.
        
        I have asked before – do the other parties in parliament not have epidemiologists, virologists and doctors that can give them independent advice? If not and they willingly went along with Ardern’s lies they do not deserve to form our next government. Their job is to oppose excesses and expose failures of the present government; not to keep their powder dry!
        
        I challenged Seymour about his enthusiastic support for vaccine passports for international travel and his response was to equate it with having vaccine certificates for yellow fever to travel to countries where it is endemic – a comparison of a disease with 30% mortality with one with that of a fraction of a percent.
        
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        June 8, 2022 12:28pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        ACT and National should have kept in mind that they are involved in a perpetual election campaign, 24/7. Their disgusting attitude towards reasonable and justifiable Covid scepticism has cost them my vote, and I’m certain that many others feel the same. Just as I would not buy from a shop where nothing was of interest, so too will I not vote for any party that doesn’t interest me.
        
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        June 8, 2022 1:58pm
  - whostoblame
    
    It was the state and their compliant media that created the fear to begin with claiming thousands would die. If they had simply shut the borders earlier we could have avoided the initial lockdowns.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:03am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      Even shutting the borders was unnecessary. The accumulated Covid infection and mortality data confirm that it is little more than an minor inconvenience for 99% of people, but it was used as a bogeyman to provide a pretext for what would otherwise have been an impossible reconfiguration of society.
      
      The process is clear. A particular policy outcome is desired. The outcome must be framed as the solution to a pressing problem. Thus:
      
      1) invent the problem;
      2) create the desired conditions for acceptance of the desired “solution” to the invented problem;
      3) offer the solution to the problem you have created;
      4) watch people gratefully accept the salvation thus offered.
      
      Cynical, but very effective if you understand mass psychology.
      
      It is textbook marketing, wherein reason is subordinated to emotion: any non-essential product or service is sold as a solution to the consumer’s problems. The idea is to make the consumer believe they have a problem. Whether they do or not, as a matter of fact, is irrelevant. All that matters is that they buy what you are selling.
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:49pm
    - Lee C
      
      Ardern and Labour really really wanted the photo-op to milk the Mosque tragedy. Hence the selfish delays and inaction.
      
      It was only when Bloomfield (allegedly) threatened to resign if the gathering went ahead, thaat, Labour and Ardern decided to make ‘covid’ their election campaign instead.
      
      That’s when she went full fucktard and indicated ‘tens of thousands will die.
      
      It was a manufactured crisis to win an election. And it worked last time.
      
      But will not the next.
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:23am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    You have inverted reality. If we lived in a democracy, then public opinion would guide public policy. But we don’t live in a democracy though, just a frayed illusion of democracy. We live in a system of global oligarchy, were the politicians are just public faces for the oligarchs.
    
    The polls show what the public believe. The public believes what they see in the media. The government and/or large multinational corporates control the media, and thus the media’s message. This is why the calls for censorship are so loud, because the system relies on a near monopoly of information. There is the mere appearance of popular sovereignty, but it doesn’t exist in all but the most trivial of matter. Most people have no agency and are directed to believe what is expedient for them to believe and to have them act accordingly.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:38am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    “Politicians put hard lockdown rules in because the polls/people demanded they do it.”
    not much to do with polls or the people – this one was decided and tightly controlled and copy-catted by what China was doing and going for zero deaths strategy compounded by the likes of a group of germaphobes/scientists that got on a govt committee and enforced this way of thinking. Completely pointless as there is no such thing a zero deaths in humankind. Death is a fact of life and some meet this fate quicker than others.
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:55pm
- gump
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  >”Did we all lock down for nothing?”
  
  The lockdown was put in place to stop the public health system from being overwhelmed and collapsing – as could be seen happening in other countries.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:53am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Wrong.
    
    The lockdown was put in place because China did it. Lockdowns are counterproductive, as has been shown over the last 2 years. It was a failed strategy as clearly evidenced by one simple fact – in the NZ Pandemic Strategy there is not one mention of lockdowns or anything similar.
    
    Close the borders, yes. Lockdowns, nope, not even.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:32am
    - Ehlana
      
      Ah, but if you’re waiting for a friend overseas to tell you to close the borders, then you close them too late, you see. And then some form of restriction on movement within the country becomes necessary.
      
      I don’t think the people who wrote the pandemic strategy anticipated this government.
      
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      June 8, 2022 11:24am
      - mawm
        
        It makes no difference what our pandemic strategy was because it was ditched immediately, on whose orders? I don’t know, but it was quite obvious from the start this new plan was not done to save lives. One quite simply does not send sick people home, without treatment, until they turn blue.
        
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        June 8, 2022 12:35pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    So you believed the bullshit. Gullible you.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:44am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Gullible gump. Believing such things is like believing that the would-be home invader is “just looking for his dog.”
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:45am
    - gump
      
      The irony of a pro-Putin puppet calling me “gullible” is intensely hilarious.
      
      Almost as ironic as naming yourself after a character in a book that you either haven’t read or haven’t understood. Unless of course you are telling us that – like your namesake – you are filled with confusion, paranoia, and disgust.
      
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      June 8, 2022 5:29pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        You make it sound as if those are undesirable traits. If anyone is not filled with confusion, paranoia and disgust in this day and age, then I must naturally question their perceptive and judgmental faculties. In truth they, and many more besides, are all inherent to any extremely complex – and brooding, darkly handsome – Raskolnikovian figure. And yes, I have read and re-read Crime and Punishment so I have an ample appreciation of its major themes and symbolism, unlike yourself who googled “who is Rodion Raskolnikov?” while preparing your dinner this evening.
        
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        June 8, 2022 9:04pm
      - gump
        
        Rodion Raskolnikov is filled with disgust for himself because he is a pathetic failure of a man.
        
        If you had actually bothered to read the novel you might know that. Whoops!
        
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        June 9, 2022 2:45am
  - Handyman
    
    The people were locked down to save the health system.
    What a wonderful world it would be if the health system was there to save the people. $100 billion borrowed and not a dollar spent improving the health system.
    A cynic might think the health system was left to fall into disrepair to support major restructuring of the health system.
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:02pm
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      “$100 billion borrowed and not a dollar spent improving the health system.”
      
      This fact alone tells us that it was never a health issue.
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:56pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    yet here we are…
    the public health system is always chocka and especially in winter. Know this first hand having spent some time in the gastro ward of north shore hospital a few years back – spent 12hrs in ED before being transferred to the ward due to the long delays and stretched system.
    the system has always been and always be stretched/overwhelmed.
    So that argument by Labour was a flawed justification.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:00pm
    - gump
      
      Yes. The public health system is already chocka and that is the problem.
      
      A health system this is already running at – or near – full capacity would never be able to cope with the additional load of hospitalisations caused by a respiratory pandemic.
      
      The lockdowns were only ever intended to reduce the strain that would have been placed on the health system.
      
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      June 8, 2022 1:27pm
      - mawm
        
        Every winter the elective surgery lists get cancelled because the beds are full of elderly patients with respiratory disease. Covid would have made barely any difference.
        
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        June 8, 2022 4:35pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Have you been on another planet for the last 2 and a half years or just not paying attention? Or is your real name Siouxsie Wiles? Your comments are inane.
        
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        June 9, 2022 7:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    And that is why they mandated health professionals out of their jobs and businesses, and stopped overseas nurses etc. from getting their New Zealand residency, to prevent the health system from collapsing, yes it all makes sense.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:20pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      You point out these very simple, clear contradictions to some people and you get a hasty “Well, if the government had done nothing, it would’ve been worse” before changing the subject. These types do not want to think,they refuse to think. The conclusions would otherwise be too unpleasant. In 2030, they will think nothing and be happy.
      
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      June 8, 2022 5:24pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Oh dear, I didn’t think there was anyone left in the country gullible or stupid enough to believe that nonsensical narrative. I was wrong.
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:03pm
- OlderChas
  
  You missed the mountain-biking MP – (Minister of Health?) Scott.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:56am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Or the pants-down Proffesor (Neil Fergusson) of the Imperial College of London: whose consistently wrong pandemic modelling Shaun Hendy picked up: busted during lockdown having meet-ups with his mistress.
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:37pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “The politicians and the experts didn’t follow their own covid rules because they didn’t believe in them. From our Minister of health, to Siouxse Wiles to Gavin Newsom in California, politicians around the world locked everyone down while acting freely themselves.”
  
  Perhaps, but there’s another potential reason, which I tend to favour. It wasn’t that they didn’t believe in the Covid rules, it was that they believed those rules didn’t apply to them. Rules are for other people, the little people, the people who only matter every 3 (or 5 in the case of the UK) years. We’ll be good in election year, promise!
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:09am
- Prince
  
  Well yes, but you while some leaders think they can operate that way all the time, ignoring public opinion and spurning protests, others have seen the light.
  https://app.spectator.com.au/2022/04/theres-no-one-better-than-boris/pugpig_index.html
  
  I’m with Boris.
  
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  June 8, 2022 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Too late, too late (again)

Dame Anne Salmond considers race and the Treaty of Waitangi.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/anne-salmond-time-to-unteach-race
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June 8, 2022 8:12am
- Cassandra
  
  Never too late, Maggie. We’ve got to stop the drift to segregation.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I meant she has realised too late where racial politics leads.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:36am
    - Cassandra
      
      It’s been a Road to Damascus for Dame Anne and I’m not too sure the segregationists will wear it but it makes good reading for the majority. Now we need the National party on board (noting that Labour is irredeemably segregationist).
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:32am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Of course Maori have now decided that they didn’t cede sovereignty, why would they say otherwise? However, there are two parties to the Treaty and one says they did. And the other lived for years as if they did. You cannot except the Treaty, comply with its terms for 100+ years, then decide you don’t like it, or try and reinterpret it.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:29am
  - James Stephenson
    
    The question that I want them to answer is:
    
    If you didn’t cede sovereignty to “The Crown”, WTF did you think you were giving in return for getting the the rights and protections of a British Citizen?
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:42am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      And if they decide they didn’t accept ceding sovereignty, when are they going to pay reparations for all the consideration they have been given for that so called “ceding”? We could start with every penny, plus interest, of every settlement that has been made with every Maori tribe. Then we will move to the social welfare system, the education system and the health system. All with interest.
      
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      June 8, 2022 3:19pm
- Yvette
  
  I respectfully disagree, Maggi – it is not too late at all.
  The “conversation” is only started on “co-governance” and will likely run into next year and up to the Election, and as background to people’s thoughts about the Treaty, Dame Anne Salmond’s view that it is non-racial, may be of considerable interest in contrast to He Puapua which will divide the country by its racism.
  I recommend reading Dame Anne Salmond’s article – before it is too late
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:31am
  - Yvette
    
    Of course ‘Maggy’ not ‘Maggi’ – bloodi spelling corrector
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:24am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No problems..
      Txs for your thoughtful response.
      
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      June 8, 2022 11:42am
- G152
  
  Every ten years something from academia with a host of papers and pap claiming things of archaeology and no sense refutes the theories of the previous set of ten years.
  We used to have the ‘pre Maori’ settlement nonsense, the Kaimanawa wall and so on.
  Nothing beats the DNA and C14 or the archaeology
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:33am
  - plc
    
    “Maori Science” ?
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  You have to be really stupid to not be able to see where racial politics leads to. Rinse and repeat for gender politics.
  
  There are countless examples the world over. South Africa (or pretty much the whole of Africa), PIs, …
  
  No, one can only assume that they are fully aware and want the problems it causes.
  
  For politicians the equation is different: social problems = opportunity.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:51am
- Aunty
  
  “I witnessed the depths of whakapapa, and its generosity of spirit…..”
  
  I must remember that the next time I read about a drive-by shooting of a gang house.
  
  Here’s a question for Dame Anne. How come no researcher has written a book about the history and practice of slavery in pre-contact tribal Maori society, and what effect colonisation and ‘The Treaty’ had on it?
  
  I’m sure any academic worth their salt could milk that for a couple of Marsden grants?
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How come no researcher has written a book about the history and practice of slavery in pre-contact tribal Maori society, and what effect colonisation and ‘The Treaty’ had on it?
    
    You could start with: “Outcasts of the Gods?”
    https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/outcasts-of-the-gods/
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:08am
    - Aunty
      
      Who knew? Well, the NZ academic history community has just gone up a very small notch in my estimation then.
      
      Can’t have received much MSM coverage though, could it? I’ve never heard of it. I guess it doesn’t fit in with the constructed myth of the noble Maori living in a pre-European paradise.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:21am
- tf78
  
  Elizabeth Rata wrote a very good article along similar lines recently too. We need more of those genuine people speaking out.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:15am
  - iMP
    
    Elizabeth Rata is awesome!!!
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  At least she’s given up writing crap about economics that she knows nothing about. And discovered what common sense kiwis living in mixed communities have known forever. Let’s hope some of the posturing prats in Wellington take it onboard.
  
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  June 8, 2022 11:10am
Simon

Can the US win WW3?

The US professional military could fight well for around 6 to 12 months, also destroy a lot but in a war of attrition after 12 months the draft would have to be introduced. The ruling American class has nothing but contempt for the proles who would be expected to die in the war. The draft or volunteering for the American working class will never happen. The other problem is the US doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity to wage WW3. Once the initial military equipment is gone, the replacements will not be there.

Merica will lose WW3.
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June 8, 2022 8:12am
- Cassandra
  
  WW3 will be lost by everyone. It’ll go nuclear and that’ll be disaster.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  We’re all gunna lose DubDub 3 , innit.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  WWIII will be end of civilisation
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:49am
- NoCash
  
  Everyone will lose in WW3, as it won’t be a conventional war, period.
  
  “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.” – A Einstein
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:51am
- cmm
  
  Everyone would lose WW3.
  
  America certainly could never pull together an army like they did in WW2. Manufacturing is part of that, but so is the population. Only a tiny % are physically, or emotionally, capable of infantry work.
  
  Same too of pretty much every Western nation.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Most men could make capable soldiers within a few months. We’re are psychology is evolved for it.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:59am
    - Rodion Raskolnikov
      
      In times of great crisis, luxuries of civilisational decadence such as believing that men and women are equal or that trandgenderism is anything other than a mental illness soon fly out the window.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:52am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Saw a doco series o production in WW2 in the TS,UK USSR and Germany.
    
    The point they made was that ALL wars are wars of production. Who can produce more wins.
    
    The UK factories etc with a population on basic rationing and under bombing was person for person OUTPRODUCING the US. Look at the number of ships the UK produced and aircraft and tanks
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:00am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Maybe, on a per capita basis. But the USA, not being under attack in their homeland, became a massive factory, the output of which was many time greater than any other country. I have no doubt the USA could do it again.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:52am
  - coge
    
    Plenty stepped up after 9/11. The media are experts at conditioning the public for wars, and other associated political beat ups. The NZ media included.
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:02am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    cmm
    Yes. The US in the 1940s is not the US in 2022. It has been raped and pillaged in the post WW2 period. It doesn’t manufacture anything anymore, and the sector of the population that would typically be called upon to fight a war – working class White males – are those who are openly hated by the Regime, and who in turn hate the Regime. That just leaves the women, the Mexicans and the transsexuals to fight. The White working class American male likely has more affinity with the more traditional, patriarchical, non-gender-fluid Russians than the US regime which favours none of these things.
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:27pm
    - [email protected]
      
      I cannot agree with you. Here are the facts:
      
      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-manufacturing-dead-output-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28
      
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      June 8, 2022 5:46pm
      - Lenticular
        
        Interesting. However, they’re including commodities like refined petroleum in there. And even including them, they’re making less stuff per population than in 2007.
        
        https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/100_years_of_ip_data.htm
        
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        June 8, 2022 9:20pm
  - Graeme Hall
    
    They did it in WWI as well. Victor Davis Hanson Prof. of Military History surprised me saying in WWI, 10 months after deciding to join, the American Expeditionary force had 1 million men in France & by the end in 1918 2 million under General John J Pershing. I had no idea the USA was so involved.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:31pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  You.Are.Dreaming.
  
  America will blitz anyone in 6 months – and if the CCP is still standing America will out produce them
  
  The CCP has zero military allies of note. The USA has NATO, Japan, Australia and I suspect India would love nothing more than to take down the CCP…
  
  Underestimate America at your peril
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:16am
  - NoCash
    
    You forgot Russia…
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:41am
  - JerJer
    
    I think you should add to that that the CCP is simply a bunch of bull-shitters making up stories about their so called military capacity that is more than likely a smoke screen much like Russia’s, except weaker, less organized and less experienced. 80% of Chinese armed forces aren’t even active and don’t know how to use the equipment (if it exists).
    
    Simulations I have seen based on known capability versus know capabilities have the US holding their own in the first few months (given a starting point in the South China Sea), and then completely obliterating the Chinese once re-enforcements arrive. Basically the Chinese would be fighting a war in China, and the US would bomb them back to the stone age within 12 months.
    
    Never underestimate the USA. They happily show you their advanced weapons and demonstrate their use and effectiveness (95% effective versus 40% effectiveness for Russian junk in the Ukraine). It’s the weapons that the US are not telling you about that their enemies should worry about.
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:09am
    - Cassandra
      
      WW3 won’t happen. War by China against Russia to reclaim the valley of the Amur OTOH will happen. One day.
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:23pm
    - Colville
      
      USA would love the excuse to smash the CCP manufacturing machine to pieces and assert world dominance again.
      
      How many ports, airports, train stations, highways and power stations would be wiped out in the first week? a 50 year rebuild??
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:42pm
      - NoCash
        
        If this kind of rhetoric reflects what the elites in the West are thinking and planning, then how could we condemn the Chinese for building up their military to counter the threats?
        
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        June 8, 2022 1:51pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Agree. Weapons aside, US engine tech is 20 years ahead of the rest of the world due to superior metallurgy.
      The US engines last, the Chinese not so much and the Russians less.
      The F35 is a game changer. Its ability to select over 100 targets and relay that to other resources to kill and also to drones which it can also direct and control is a force multiplier never seen before.
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:53pm
      - Lenticular
        
        The F35 is an unknown. It could be anything between a truly superior aircraft and a complete white elephant. No one really knows. And we don’t know how successfully the Chinese have copied them.
        
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        June 8, 2022 9:22pm
    - NoCash
      
      The US can easily bomb China back to the stone age, yet it couldn’t save 19 primary school kids from being gunned down by a teenage… perhaps the US elites and govt have their priorities wrong.
      
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      June 8, 2022 2:35pm
    - [email protected]
      
      You are so right JJ.
      
      I worked on a few projects for the US department of defence. An organization I worked for in the USA developed some systems that were never advertised but put onto the shelf should they ever be required.
      
      Similarly other companies like General Dynamics were funded to develop weapon systems that have never been announced. Tested yes, but kept under wraps to be used when required.
      
      I only know about the systems our group worked on and a few of the General Dynamics ones.
      
      There are very likely many more such systems unknown to me (or anyone else).
      
      One the strengths of the USA is that the country is incredibly wasteful. In a crunch they could tighten their belt and outlast any other country.
      
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      June 8, 2022 6:02pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Nuclear weapons make all this discussion moot. . A big direct conventional confrontation between China and USA is not going to happen. All chinas near neighbours are likely quietly developing nuclear weapons and delivery systems.
    
    If India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Japan, South Korea, USA, Australia etc were to club together and tell the Chinese to abandon the Spratleys ahead of a date when they would be nuked that would probably end China’s hegemonic ambitions in the South China sea.
    
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    June 8, 2022 7:34pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  With regards to WW3. IMHO the biggest danger is Russia under Putin. The guy is physically and mentally sick. In that state facing death and with the control he has he could unleash nukes as a last stand.
  The CCP I dont think so. What they want is economic control not military control except for Taiwan that they believe is part of China and should be reunited.
  Again IMHO the CCP will “reunite” Taiwan. They will do so under the threat of nuke war and the US and West will cave in. The CCP will continue to exert control in the South Pacific and use that to bully Australia and NZ into agreeing to their demands.
  They see Oz as cheap and plentiful minerals and food and NZ as cheap food. They will force NZ to sell them what we produce cheaply and whilst not improvishing us keeping our standards of living at less than optimal.
  Our solution is to look to the UK Europe and South America for trade opportunities to reduce our reliance on then CCP.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:27am
  - [email protected]
    
    Don’t know but hopefully Putin can’t push the button to launch nukes without the approval of a number of sane people. One would hope the same for an apparently less cognizant US president.
    
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    June 8, 2022 6:57pm
- Aunty
  
  Fuck off, dirty communist!
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:38am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Still fighting the Cold War? Give it up. It’s over.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:53am
    - Aunty
      
      Yeah. We won, you lost!
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:44pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        Well, if you won, this entails that it’s over, so why are you still fighting it? Stupid decadent capitalist pig!
        
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        June 8, 2022 1:25pm
    - mawm
      
      She (?) has not realised the communists are now the other side.
      
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      June 8, 2022 12:44pm
      - Rodion Raskolnikov
        
        You can identify the Boomers because they sincerely think that communism is still active outside of political science lectures and that it poses the biggest existential threat. I’d say it’s actually monopoly capitalists imposing neo-feudalism and a controlling technocracy, but they also view capitalism as an end in itself rather than a morally neutral instrument that can be corrupted just like any other instrument. Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the WEF, Wall Street financiers and Blackrock may be crushing us all into dust, but that just shows that capitalism is working, goddam it! Just stay in the Communism v Capitalism lane, and pull yourself up by the bootstraps, will ya.
        
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        June 8, 2022 1:33pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      I like reading your cut and paste undergraduate bromides, pal – just for the laughs.
      
      Your “stupid, decadent capitalist pig!” comment below, which has no reply button, kinda nails your flag to the wall, and is somewhat reminiscent of the observation that ‘the higher the Baboon climbs the tree, the more it reveals its unsightly ass’.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:57pm
- iMP
  
  Depends on what you mean (scope and teach; number of countries, etc). Basically very wide devastation and economic collapse like in 1177 bc, as large scale war dominoes. Prof Jared Diamond has a lot to say on the weakness of modern dependency and inter connectivity.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:59am
  - iMP
    
    1177 B.C. : The Year Civilization Collapsed: Turning Points in Ancient History
    Eric H. Cline
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:01am
- MCōs
  
  By definition if there is a “World War” everyone is involved, not just America.
  Otherwise it’s an American war.
  It’s worth noting that the Afghanistan War eventually involved more than fifty countries.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:23pm
Lee C

Look, for balance, I’d like to endorse The Standard here.

But if you do you might need to watch this simple guide, so you can fill in:

https://youtu.be/7JMUUw6KeM0
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June 8, 2022 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That needs to be printed and given to all Politicians, Mayors and Councilors.
  Do you know anyone who has the balls to post it at the Strandard?
  I’ll put it on Facebook and see how long it lasts.
  Batman will be along soon to have a chat with you.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Superb. He nails it. It’s not even satire, it’s pure fact
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m getting that the left are not happy. Truth is a bitch sometimes
    
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    June 8, 2022 3:21pm
fightingtemeraire

Oh Frabjous Joy Callooo Callay!!!!

Jacinda is sliding in the polls faster than Mallard down his slide in the Parliamentary Back Garden!!!

Next RM poll she will be in the 20’s Labour MPs will be getting out their CVs and wonder who will employ them???
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June 8, 2022 8:14am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Expect a slew of not standing at the next eye from these muppets
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only one outfit will employ them – Councils. All of them would not last 5 minutes in the private sector.
  Time to clean out all Public Sector departments. No matter who is in power, the cancer is still there. This is what 3 waters is all about – spreading the cancer.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:15am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Steve Otto, what makes me a grumpy old man is that your first paragraph is 100% correct. That is very sad.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:58am
- Scooter
  
  Maybe her absences doesn’t make the heart grow fonder
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:57pm
Tony Stuart

Jacinda Ardern still has faith in Trevor Mallard as Speaker, but she’s very much in the minority. 1News reports:

The Prime Minister is under increasing pressure to sack Speaker Trevor Mallard, with a 1News Kantar Public Poll revealing many people think he’s not doing a good job.

Mallard made headlines earlier in the year when his handling of protesters at Parliament saw him turning on sprinklers and blasting music, before issuing trespass notices to former politicians.

The Prime Minister has always had his back, but poll results show she is in the minority.

The 1News Kantar Public Poll asked: Do you approve or disapprove of the way Trevor Mallard is handling his job as speaker?

Just 17% said they approved, while almost half disapproved. The rest didn’t know.

Opposition parties say the Government needs to act.

“This should be the people’s house that people have confidence in and people don’t have confidence in Trevor Mallard and certainly the National Party doesn’t,” Chris Bishop said.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/07/poll-is-trevor-mallard-doing-a-good-job-as-speaker/

First things first; the PM can’t simply sack Mallard, as he was elected by the whole Parliament. She can call him in for a meeting, and tell him she has no confidence in him, but in that case it would be his decision to stand aside.

National has tried have a Notice of Motion of No Confidence debated, but that can be prevented by any MP objecting to leave being granted. If she was absolutely determined to get rid of Mallard, Ardern could instruct her MP’s not to object to leave being granted, but that would be unprecedented in my lifetime. Even then, Mallard himself could object to National’s NoM being debated.

As it stands though, Mallard’s tenure of the role of Speaker is already tarnished forever. Labour rated at 35% in last week’s 1News /Kantar poll, so effectively more than half of those who would vote for Labour don’t support Mallard! So how much longer is Ardern prepared to be on the wrong side of history?
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June 8, 2022 8:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  National should table a no Confidence motion in the speaker as often as possible.
  
  This will force Mallard to be even more biased (if that’s possible!) and force Labour to continue to express confidence in a person who is totally unsuitable in the role.
  
  Politically, it’s a win win for National, and a Lose Lose for Labour.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If the deliver this nasty non diplomatic fool the babbles of Ireland, then that is a rotten disgrace
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:54am
  - pdm
    
    slightlyr – I agree.
    
    At least weekly and even daily when Parliament is sitting if they can. No reason why ACT would not support that as far as I can see.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:59am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The reason why National wouldn’t do that is that it brings the parliamentary system into disrepute.
    No confidence motions are reserved for genuinely serious matters, not just as a daily political point scoring.
    Remember, National expects to be government. They don’t want to be in a “what goes round, comes round” situation. That is why the two major parties stay away from nuclear options. They both know they will spend time in Opposition as well as Government. So it is in their interests that Parliament remains reasonably workable.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How peculiar, TV 1 News running a hit job on Mallard…
  
  Is Labour hoping a Great reset will restore Our Dear PM’s charms?
  Has Trevor negotiated a nice retirement gig…. (any Interesting Rugby tours coming up soon?)
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:22am
  - Lee C
    
    Watch Labour start to throw it’s own to the wolves to protect the Queen.
    
    But it will not work.
    
    The stench of desperation is already pervading the room.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:25am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Between Mallard, Williams, Mahuta, Jackson, Little, Fa’afoi, and Davis, there are no shortage of pawns to sacrifice to protect the queen….
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Ireland is rudderless, while parliament is democraticless
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    Rule #1: Cindy does not go under the bus.
    
    If Mallard must be offered up, so be it.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:57am
  - david
    
    Speakers Tour to Europe is coming up I hear.
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Trevor off as New Zealand Ambassador to Ireland, as we have been advised by him ?
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:52pm
- cmm
  
  ” So how much longer is Ardern prepared to be on the wrong side of history?”
  
  Does she really care? She’s building the Cindy brand, not the Labour brand.
  
  Cindy and Labour have used eachother, now Labour is starting to drag her down and she will quite likely make a dash.
  
  When she does, Labour will return to its pre-Cindy levels (except maybe a bit lower now).
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Agree. If she can negotiate a UN golden parachute before the next election she will be gone like a shot.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:28am
    - pdm
      
      Is there any pother reason that she would have been in New York a couple of weeks ago.
      
      Hard to see one – she could have Zoomed with Corbett although they do seem very cosy with each other.
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:02am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Or Blackrock
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Something is going on, no sign of Hipkins last week or yesterday, don’t think Mega Woods a possible ticket to stab Cindy was there either yesterday
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:57am
    - pdm
      
      According to `Penis Lolly’ Woods with Mike Hosking and Mark Mitchell this morning Megan Woods is pesently overseas – doing what who would know.
      
      Mike was quick to ask if she was doing Mahutas job in the Pacific.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t think there is any chance of Mallard going. Who would replace him? I can’t think of any Labour MP who could do the job. Andrew Little? 🙂 🙂 🤯 David Parker? 🤡 Chris Hipkins would be OK I guess. But he is the Minister for everything and can’t be spared.
  
  Maybe they could do a deal with the Greens and make that Mexican MP Speaker. That would be outstanding entertainment. 😂
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:26am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Adrian Rurawhe, the Deputy Speaker, did a reasonably competent job last week when Mallard was away. He would certainly be less polarising than Mallard.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:29am
    - redeye
      
      I read on twitter (so it has to be true:-) that Mallard threatened Seymour with a loss of supplimentarys for congratulating Adrian Rurawhe on doing a good job in Mallard absence.
      A more clearer demonstration of the lack of maturity of our political refereee I couldn’t find.
      
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      June 8, 2022 8:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Did you notice he refuses to make ministers answer questions, what’s with that, he does let Nats get away with hollering to the bums opposite
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have two temps, the guy who replaced him many times snd increasingly does ok, but he has Mallards arrogant, I think she address the question, they hated Carter, but he always forced Key to answer the bloody questions
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    They don’t have to “do the job”. Mallard doesn’t, so the person replacing him doesn’t have to either.
    
    At this stage they just have to be anyone but Mallard – anyone could do that job.
    
    David Clark, Kelvin Davis, Stuart Nash and Carmel Sepuloni would all be worth choosing. They are all reasonably senior, but are doing bugger all useful in cabinet.
    
    They’d all be useless, but that’s not the point.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    You can take your tongue out of your cheek now Benedict.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dr Megan Woods – just for some fun……
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:22am
    - pussycat
      
      More fun with Phil Twyford!
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:50am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mallard is a thug.
  Odd that Ms Ardern, the world famous beacon of kindness and symbol of female strength, has to rely on a male thug for protection and to fight battles for her.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:33am
  - graham
    
    Yep.
    
    Back in 2020, Jacinda Ardern had an interview with Sir John Kirwan, which is extremely interesting to read in this context.
    
    “What do we teach our kids?” she asked Sir John.
    
    “If you ask someone what they want for their kids when they’re older, often we revert to those values: we want our kids to be happy; we want them to feel loved and supported; we want them to be treated well by others; and we want them to treat others well.
    
    “If those are the values that are so important to us that we teach them to our kids, then we should expect those same values from our leaders.”
    
    “Something happened along the way, where we said kids need to be kind but leaders need to be staunch, aggressive, show no mercy and definitely show no weakness. That just doesn’t sit well with me.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/12/jacinda-ardern-opens-up-on-kind-leadership-style-says-pressure-to-choose-aggression-over-mercy-doesn-t-sit-well.html
    
    We want our kids to be treated well by others, and we want them to treat others well. And we should expect those same values from our leaders.
    
    Sounds good, doesn’t it? Shame it doesn’t translate into reality for Ms Ardern …
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:49am
- graham
  
  Heh … and on NewstalkZB this morning, I hear that a political expert from Massey University, has labelled the poll as “frivolous and irresponsible”. According to this expert, Grant Duncan, because the members of Parliament elect the speaker his role should not be questioned by the great unwashed.
  
  Hmm. According to the Parliamentary website, the Speaker’s position is the third most important constitutionally, after the Governor-General and the Prime Minister. That alone should be enough to qualify the role as one in which we most certainly should take an interest.
  
  But there also happens to be the not insignificant matter that the Speaker leads the New Zealand Parliament’s international diplomacy.The Speaker represents Parliament internationally, at diplomatic functions and by hosting foreign dignitaries. According to the Parliamentary website, the Speaker’s activities “further international parliamentary relationships and contribute to advancing New Zealand’s interests“.
  
  So when we have a Speaker who the majority of people regard as somewhat less than “diplomatic” in just about every walk of life, I’d say actually we have every right to question him.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Rubbish, it has been pointed out before she has several ways to get rid of him, including supporting a vote of no confidence
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    I wouldn’t place too much credability with anything Grant Duncan writes or says. IMO, he’s just another PhD who’s never had a real job. Our universities are full of the bastards who are doing their damndest to subvert our democracy.
    IMO, anyone can and should criticise Mallard. He’s a disgrace and an embarrassment to our Parliamentary System.
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern needs Mallard to cover her.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:18am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    that’s a two way transaction….
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:25am
  - david
    
    Surely you are not suggesting that he should cover her in the same way as the term is used in the bloodstock industry!
    Please pass the mind bleach.
    
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    June 8, 2022 11:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I wish you did not mention that. I will have some of that bleach thanks
      
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      June 8, 2022 3:24pm
surfing

Kelvin Davis has released 2,500 of the nations worst criminals from our prisons. The prison population dropped from 10k to 7.5k… this is not because crime dropped. Rather, it is a political decision to avoid building new prisons.

When will the MSM question how the mass release of prisoners is related to crime waves?
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June 8, 2022 8:15am
- Ruahine
  
  I think it is more a political decision to let friends of friends who are criminals out of jail.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:43am
- Nickc2
  
  You make a good point. It would be interesting to know how many of Davis’s releasees have returned to jail or are due to appear in court again.
  If such statics do exist, they won’t appear under this Govt.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:26am
kowtow

A gun register won’t prevent gun crime .

In fact it could act as a shopping list for the gangs with all the consequences that will carry .
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June 8, 2022 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/exclusive-firearm-owners-details-stolen-in-alleged-burglary-of-old-auckland-police-station/7OONZ6YNU32XNMSOX5LSLAPBHE/ paywalled.
  Government plans to register individual firearms mean that shopping to order will get much easier for criminals.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:42am
  - Phronesis
    
    Obviously, so why do they want a gun register? Because it will make the problem of gun crime worse. They will then say we have done everything we can but the problem is worse, we must ban more guns, in fact we must ban all guns. Oh and we know who has all the legal guns so we will confiscate those first.
    
    Most transparent government ever.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All the legal guns went overboard in a boat accident.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:47am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Or you claim you dropped them crossing a stream in the bush somewhere. I have heard that one used.
        I expect some firearms are buried as a result of the buy-back, as I heard you get a good length of PVC pipe, grease up the gun, seal the pipe, and bury for later retrieval.
        
        I would have to think a bit before I was to register ALL of my guns or not, or keep at least one back for when they drive the wedge around disarming the otherwise law abiding even further.
        Police have been less like friends in recent years, and more like enablers for those they really should be breaking up.
        
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        June 8, 2022 12:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fuzzysnuggleduck, I was in blue water – like at least 1000 meters deep
        
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        June 8, 2022 3:25pm
- Ehlana
  
  Any property owner who wants to increase their chances of getting stolen property back should mark their property. Including gun owners.
  
  We already have a register of gun owners; anyone else found with a gun possesses it unlawfully and should be prosecuted for that.
  
  If the gun is not marked and reported stolen, it can be rendered inoperable, then destroyed.
  
  Problem solved without a new bureaucracy.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have been thinking about that. If the gun was a collectors piece, I would not want to ‘mark’ it.
    Make it in-operable yes.
    No marking and yep the fuckwits would destroy it with a bulldozer type machine. It’s like a hydraulic log splitter.
    
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    June 8, 2022 3:32pm
    - Ehlana
      
      I’m sure someone has solved the problem of identifying collectors pieces for safe return if stolen without putting obvious marks on them. After all, lots of objects would come into that category – fine art, first editions, etc. I’d imagine making your collectors piece inoperable might destroy some of its value as a collectable, so you’d want to avoid that.
      
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      June 8, 2022 3:54pm
Warren

Like inflation Jacinda Ardern says the rise in Crime its not Labours fault , as other countries are facing the same problems.
Have we ever seen a gutless Prime Minister like Jacinda and her Government that blames everyone else for problems that have been of their own making.
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June 8, 2022 8:15am
- Ruahine
  
  In Australia there has been a fall in criminal gang activity over the past two years.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:45am
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t think so
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/18/police-crack-down-on-escalating-gang-violence-after-sydney-home-targeted-in-drive-by-shooting
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:06am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      The successes of different federal governments in reducing the visibility and creating discomfort in gangs has been remarked on by members of law enforcement and media here recently.
      Have you missed this?
      Perhaps don’t cherry pick a headline, as the making of all gang ‘memorabilia’ illegal, and making simple meeting up of known gang members illegal, has had an effect of suppressing activity and making it uncomfortable.
      Even the drive-bys need to be coordinated, but known gang members can be busted just for exchanging a text in Aussie.
      It must be seriously considered here – make gangs unacceptable and dismantle whatever can be seen.
      No more gang tangi with hundreds gathering, and leaning out of windows waving gang banners.
      Have the Aussies eliminated gangs?
      No, but they have made a strong stand and it is a polar opposite trajectory to NZ.
      
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      June 8, 2022 1:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        NZ just gives the Gangs money to keep them appeased – like taniwha and koha
        
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        June 8, 2022 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The rise in Crime is due to the Ukraine war//
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:25am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Sooooo, a crap fucking response to crime has nothing to do with the rise in crime? So criminals who see no consequences just give up being criminals and don’t undertake more crime because they are not being punished?
  Jacinda Ardern, the worst and most incompetent PM in NZ’s history.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:05am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/national-leader-christopher-luxon-renews-calls-for-poto-williams-to-be-removed-as-police-minister-amid-spike-in-gang-related-crime.html

Luxon growing bolder by the day. Firstly saying they will roll back 3 waters etc and now calling directly for the resignation of an obviously underperforming minister.

The best bit us the mainstream media are running the story. Hard to ignore 23 shootings in the last week.

The worm has turned…
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June 8, 2022 8:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The media, or Bridge who has had enough?
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:04am
  - Opie
    
    Bridge has been excellent. He doesn’t stand for waffle and keeps asking questions till he he gets an answer.
    
    Best bit is they can’t ignore him or refuse to go on his show because of his um lifestyle choices, it would be seen to be a bad look!
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has stated 3 waters would be gone since he became leader, as well as the Māori health authority . Those points are not new
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  Labour will, be under 30% next poll the in theory it should hit the fan, as so many Labour MPs will be out of a job.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:58pm
Tomtoddy

Some so-called Dutch expert in bikes in cities claims of car owners, “It’s important to put that backlash into perspective, because largely it’s a vocal minority, a group that already has the most influence, time and resources – and we can’t allow those people to dictate what we can and can’t do in our cities”.

The arrogance and ignorance of these overpaid zealots knows no bounds. Me, a car owner, a minority???

I regularly travel a piece of road with a bike lane and have only ever seen two bikes on it.
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June 8, 2022 8:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  Another example of the tyranny of the minority and further justification for changing the definition of democracy so that the minority rule.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:36am
  - chukar
    
    Bureaucracy rules supported byMMP.
    Democracy died when MMP was born!
    To reiterate ,half of those ruling us have not faced voter scrutiny, they are appointed by special interest groups who have not been elected by anyone apart from themselves!
    The power of the ballot has gone, resulting in a system of professional politicians representing only themselves.
    MMP has failed worldwide.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      MMP was a good idea, but the small Parties found out how they could use it to Blackmail. We all know who the worst was.
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:54am
      - GJM
        
        And half the MPs are unelected. 5hey no longer have to face the voters to stay at the trough. Great for unelectable like Andrew little.
        
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        June 8, 2022 9:24pm
- pdm
  
  There are `Bike Lanes for Africa’ in Hastings but most cyclists like to be 2 or 3 a breast into the middle of the road or else on the footpath.
  
  Perhaps those Green Markings are to give Martians safe pedestrian walk ways when they arrive.
  
  BTW when did wearing a bike helmet become optional?
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Martians are already here. They can be found in all parts of the Public Sector.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      On Mars there are large dark lines. That is the motorway system, with some going underground. A total fuckup – just like the roads here in Godzone.
      Getting the idea now?
      
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      June 8, 2022 3:37pm
  - mawm
    
    pdm – those green markings are for delivery vans, taxis, and husbands waiting on their wives while they dash in. Savvy cyclists know they are legally allowed to ride in the middle of the road (it’s there in the road code) and two abreast.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:19pm
    - Hebe123
      
      To be fair – any decent cyclist won’t ride in the bike lanes as they either have car parks on one side so people can open doors into them, or they force the rider to stop at every corner.
      
      I don’t ride on the road anymore – too many angry violent drivers – but if I did, I wouldn’t be in a cycle lane.
      
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      June 8, 2022 9:19pm
- alloytoo
  
  @tom.
  
  “we can’t allow those people to dictate what we can and can’t do in our cities”.
  
  Can we?
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:31am
- Ehlana
  
  Car owners are the majority Tomtoddy, but it doesn’t follow that the backlash isn’t coming from a vocal minority.
  Car owners don’t just own and drive cars. They may also own and ride bikes and walk, jog or run around the streets. They may have children, grandchildren or elderly parents who don’t drive, who they would like to be able to walk, bike or take public transport safely.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:46pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Tom, a claim made by a Dutch person (a tiny minority) about cyclists (a tiny minority) calling a group who is probably speaking for a good chunk of motorists (a decent majority) about have a tiny minority dictating to a decent majority. Yikes.
  
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  June 8, 2022 3:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Every day I see hundreds of people in cars for every cyclist. These people spend thousands if not tens of thousands when buying their vehicles; and thousands more each year on fuel, insurance, maintenance etc. They vote with their wallets.
  
  How dare these cycling advocates claim that motorists are a vocal minority? In fact, motorists are a quiet majority.
  
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  June 8, 2022 6:40pm
MCōs

Fifty years ago today 9yo Kim Phuc Phan Thi was photographed running down the road in Vietnam after being struck by napalm.
One of those photos that symbolized the war.
The photographer, Nick Ut, also took her to get medical attention & now she lives in Canada.
Here is an opinion piece she wrote for the NYT.
You may not like the NYT.
You may despise the NYT.
I’ll just leave this here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/06/opinion/kim-phuc-vietnam-napalm-girl-photograph.html?referringSource=articleShare
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June 8, 2022 8:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Paywalled.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Yer I couldn’t read it , but see she lives in Canada .
    
    Hardly a ringing endorsement by the Walter Duranty NYT of the new regime in South Vietnam .
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fuck the NYT.
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2022/06/06/vietnams-napalm-girl-50-years-later-everyone-can-live-with-love-with-hope-and-forgiveness.html
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thanks, but NYT is paywalled. Different link below.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:49am
- MCōs
  
  Sure the NYT is paywalled, but $US5/month won’t put you in the poor house.
  There’s numerous publications that need money from somewhere to keep going.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The NYT is not worth $5 per month
    
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    June 8, 2022 10:41am
    - oldfella
      
      All On Red: check out getpocket.com. I came across it after someone mentioned it on the BFD.
      
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      June 8, 2022 11:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And I subscribe to a number of them, but not this crap.
    
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    June 9, 2022 7:32am
Zapper

https://chrislynchmedia.com/newsitems/governmentappointmentproblematic?fbclid=IwAR2InZ2W1-5LSk9nz0fIzdx3PIoU5nSnQsQxy3T7jID4nVxkLb5C8AJVER4

Hat tip: Chris Lynch Media.

Co-director appointment for terrorism research centre “disturbing”

Professor Dr Joanna Kidman and Professor Paul Spoonley were appointed as co-directors of the Centre. Spoonley was appointed as an interim Director for up to a year, while Dr Kidman’s term is three years.

Dr Kidman is a professor of Māori Education at Victoria University of Wellington and is a sociologist, researching indigenous sociology, Māori youth, higher education, decolonisation studies and comparative education.

Andrew Little noted the focus of the centre would be “understanding diversity and promoting social cohesion.” But is Kidman’s appointment at odds with the minister’s messaging?

Left-leaning political commentator Chris Trotter said it was a “very disturbing appointment.”

I consider Kidman to be an extremist” while Left-leaning political blogger Martyn Bradbury described the appointment as “insane.”

“Labour pushed back on their hate speech madness, but are still trying to find new ways to restrict free speech, meaning this new Extremist Research Academy will have vast influence over very large powers, which brings us to the problematic appointment of Professor Joanne Kidman” he wrote in his blog.
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June 8, 2022 8:33am
- graham
  
  Worth reading the entire article to get an idea of just what sort of person Dr Joanna Kidman is.
  
  With one tweet which talks about “nice example of historian-as-bigoted-dickhead to add to the pile of sixty-twelve million reasons why 99 percent of university historians should have a curfew and an ankle tracker”, and another tweet accusing a reporter of being “still drunk” for having the temerity to suggest that Wellingtonians need to get over their stay-at-home-and-live-in-fear attitude …
  
  … could Dr Joanna Kidman eventually be found guilty of hate speech? (“You’ll know it when you see it!”)
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:08am
Benedict Yu

Jacinda is off to Australia. She will be hoping to negotiate a softening of the deportation of New Zealand criminals. Looks like there will be a softening but nothing material. My prediction is that they will stop deporting the lower level criminals who have lived in Australia for decades. But the gangsters will keep coming.

Of course Jacinda will land back in New Zealand crowing “Peace in our time”. 😂
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June 8, 2022 8:33am
- Inandout
  
  BY, I am sure she will comment on Australia’s dire electricity shortage and that coal fired stations will be restarted immediately. Even the Greens have agreed! This will happen here as well if like NSW, we have a freezing temperature spell. So predictable that power cuts really piss people off.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:47am
- Swifty
  
  I reckon this just makes us look like steaming hypocrites.
  
  Have you seen the numbers of violent PIs we send back to the islands each year?
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:49am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    No, but I would be very pleasantly surprised if we did.
    Revoking residency and visas, and even refugee status for people who commit serious crimes or present a risk to other people is a no brainer.
    Australia is well within its rights to flush the toilet, much as we don’t like it.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      We send heaps home.
      
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      June 8, 2022 3:42pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, I’ve seen the list. I’ve also seen the list of Europeans and others we send back as well.
    IMO, Cindy is just a fucking lying hypocrite lecturing the Aussies about something her Govt is also doing.
    Anything for a bit of ‘Look at me, Look at me’ virtue-signaling eh?
    
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    June 8, 2022 2:16pm
- Matt Long
  
  She’ll probably come back crowing about her kindness agreeing to take non NZ citizen criminals to integrate them into NZ gangs.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She will sign a climate change agreement like she did with that criminal Newsome, what the hell does an agreement like that do here from California, what utter bullshit this airhead is
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      “what the hell does an agreement like that do”
      
      One more bullet point for her CV.
      
      #CinD4UN!
      
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      June 8, 2022 10:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The 501 deportation policy is probabl the only policy all Australians like and agree with. It isn’t going to change even under the new regime.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lower level, they have to have served 2 years prison
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:06am
- Thought Criminal
  
  I bet she gets nothing.
  
  This is a win win for every Australian politician and they know it.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  While she is not here, we don’t have to put up with her lies and socialist bullshit
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She will probably show elbow how to fuck over I struck a failure
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  In practice there will be no real change but appearances.
  Why does she think that she can get any changes as huge public opinion there (and here) support the moves.
  
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  June 8, 2022 2:02pm
I remember when

Was the Boris victory a sign that there is a growing anti-lockdown vote.
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June 8, 2022 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  If it was a victory it was phyrric.
  
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  June 8, 2022 9:52am
Maggie Pie

GOOF….another useless Labour-Lackey with a lifetime of troughing.

Do we want another one?

https://twitter.com/CraigLord2022/status/1534236221265694720
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June 8, 2022 8:42am
- Matt Long
  
  If business keeps putting a multitude of Mayoral candidates against one Labour lackey the same thing will go on forever.
  Auckland needs to find one responsible candidate or get STV voting in place.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, unless the right quickly move to leave just one candidate, then they will end up with their guest islander mayor, he may give the west feee rates
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:09am
  - MCōs
    
    Business doesn’t put up a multitude of candidates.
    Craig Lord, for example, according to his web page doesn’t like politicians or business people holding sway.
    “After years of the same representation by former politicians or business people looking to float their own boat, the question needs to be asked:
    ”What good have they done for the city and those regular people that live within its boundaries?” “
    
    Anyway
    Whoever wins will be lambasted as doing a pitiful job after a brief period to see if they make any sort of difference.
    If it’s not Collins they will have the disadvantage of probably having a hostile council, ratepayers, administration & central government (Lab or Nat) working against them.
    
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    June 8, 2022 9:48am
  - chukar
    
    Agree ML,
    STV works .
    Do not hear many complaints from Australia
    Should be tried here nationally not just among a few enlightened Councils!
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I resisted the urge to punch my monitor
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:00am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Goff has run the council out of money and is finding new ways of scamming money from people. It’s not enough that just because you own a house, you have to subsidise peoples transport, you’ll now have to pay for other people farting as well. Labour, there is NO end to how much money they can take from you and use to pour down dunnies.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:10am
- Harry Knuts
  
  no we don’t. Just looking at the mess within Lower Hutt city council is enough to put anyone off voting in a labour person. Firmly believe mayor should come from an independent position.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:06pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tauranga is run by a Mahuta Council Commissioner lackies because it suits her politically and she can get away with it. – like Labour in anything, as we can see.
    
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    June 8, 2022 2:06pm
redeye

Rasmussen Poll highlights disconnect between the legacy media and voters.
Top 5 for voters
1. Inflation
2. Election Integrity
3. Violent Crime
4. Gas Prices
5. Illegal Immigration

Top 5 for the media
1. Abortion Rights
2. Capital Riot Investigation
3. Covid
4. Climate Change
5. LGBTQ stuff.

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1534248911401107456/photo/1
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June 8, 2022 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See the difference between us and them?
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:03am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘Joanna Kidman blocked you’

LOL!!

https://twitter.com/TheConsultant18/status/1534015095923408896
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June 8, 2022 9:11am
surfing

I believe Australia would cancel NZ’er visa free status before they reverse the 501 policy.

Maybe Australia should do it anyway, too many ferals move from NZ to Australia. Australia don’t need them.
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June 8, 2022 9:13am
I remember when

14yo suffers allergic reaction on Antigua to London flight after man refuses to stop eating peanuts.
Poppy Jones’s mother saw a man ten rows in front of them eating peanuts on the plane.
He refused to stop despite being told twice to do so. “I honestly thought she was going to die and it’s put me off flying in future,” Jones’s mother said.
She wants more done to protect those with nut allergies and there to be consequences for those who ignore people’s allergens.
British Airways said the crew followed procedures by asking passengers to not eat nuts because of the girl’s allergies.

Those of us that remember when ‘soggy’ tomato sandwiches were the worst of our problems with school lunches wonder why allergens are now such a problem.
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June 8, 2022 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The mother is the one with a nut allergy
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:06am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I’m allergic to people with nut allergies.
  
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  June 8, 2022 11:06am
- MCōs
  
  I used to make light of kids having peanut allergies until I was read the riot act by the mother of just such a child. I found out mighty quickly it can be a very serious business.
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Anaphylaxis. I have had it from a medication, not nice, nearly killed me.
    
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    June 9, 2022 9:29am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Peanut allergies can be de-risked in 70-80% of people now using steady build up of peanut protein intake over time, making it safe for them to be around peanuts (but not eating them too much)
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:59pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sounds like the mother made a mistake in taking her daughter on a plane. Did she tell BA that no peanuts should be served? Like hell she did.
  
  Tough on the kid, but you have to be a realist.
  
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  June 8, 2022 6:48pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s a question I’ve been pondering for a few years now. I have a nephew who had the allergy. It’s certainly a relatively new phenomenon. At school in the 60s it didn’t exist. So what has happened in the intervening years? What is different for this to become such a major issue?
  It certainly isn’t evolution. It’s something we’ve done in society.
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:41am
I remember when

Don’t we all wish we had just enough Maori blood to pontificate but not enough for it be obvious.
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June 8, 2022 9:21am
- cmm
  
  I’m an African immigrant so I think I’d out-victim you.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Elon? Is that you?
    
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    June 8, 2022 6:49pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Just say you have IRW. Try and apply to become a member of a tribe. They ask for proof and get a bit pissed when you tell them the proof is oral, passed down through generations. Funnily enough, they don’t believe you……
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Na, I’m pretty happy with what’s coursing through my blood vessels at the moment.
  
  I’ve barely given a thought to the “racial” identity of the blood I was transfused with at birth.
  
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  June 8, 2022 11:14am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT86RUlwBvQ
Top 5 Creepiest, Most Dystopian Things Pushed By The World Economic Forum!

Every year, Presidents, Prime Ministers, and CEOs from around the world are sequestered together in the remote mountain village of Davos, Switzerland for the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum. While the exclusiveness and secrecy of the meetings certainly add to their mystery, a number of proposals that have surfaced confirm that the WEF believes that creating a quote ‘better future’ requires their controlling and engineering of virtually every aspect of political and economic life around the globe. Here are the Top Five creepiest most dystopian things pushed by the World Economic Forum! [9:22]
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June 8, 2022 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Link?
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:15am
  - curry4me
    
    I just tried the link to the WEF video. It works perfectly.
    
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    June 8, 2022 6:49pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmaexBUAZT0
Free Christchurch to Smile.
Bring back the SMILE to Christchurch City. Free To Choose: Mask or no Mask. Stop the draconian oppressive Mask Mandates! Carl Bromley for Mayor – 2023. [3:25]
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June 8, 2022 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Applies to all of NZ not just Christchurch.
  Socialist control.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:14am
- MCōs
  
  Carl Bromley?
  These are desperate times, but not that desperate.
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:42pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  People still wear masks? Incredible.
  
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  June 9, 2022 7:43am
Liberty

Standards are slipping.

On the Queen’s parade, Some of the New Zealand Army was marching out of uniform.

New Zealand Parliament dress code “Has gone to the dogs.”
Wearing a hat inside.
Now, labour MPs are wearing their pajamas.
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June 8, 2022 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour MPs went to the Warehouse first
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:16am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Are you talking about the “warriors” in front of the squad???
  
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  June 8, 2022 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

Thought I might have a listen to ‘The Platform’ for a change.

It was the start of Michael Laws show.
He seemed to do a lot of shouting into the mic for some silly reason?
Then when he brought up…. “how much school-boy’s farts smell”, I switched back to ZB anyway.

Just saying 🙁
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June 8, 2022 10:14am
- mogg
  
  I hope you listened to this, the excellent Peter Williams saying it like it is.
  https://youtu.be/P1m46HQxeTI
  
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  June 8, 2022 2:06pm
thirteenstars

The Lotus Eaters podcast has reviewed the new Daily Wire documentary, What is A Woman?, in which they feature several interview clips, revealing the depths to which this dangerous idiocy has descended.

Clips begin here:

https://youtu.be/Bf3GAS4h42U?t=1021

These are all academics working in universities or medical professionals, not just some fringe nutters with a three-day growth and high heels. These are the types that teach your kids and your grandkids. It’s time to end public education. It outlived its usefulness quite some time ago.
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June 8, 2022 10:43am
graham

When this Government trumpeted the phrase “Open, honest, and transparent”, I didn’t realise they meant that’s how they’ve decided WE will all behave … whether we like it or not.

Story on the Herald entitled, “‘Social listening’: Govt surveillance included public’s private messages”. The first paragraph reads:

Controversial social media surveillance commissioned by the Government analysed New Zealanders’ private messages to government sites without their knowledge, and contrary to the officials’ description of the work.

Somewhat conveniently, it’s been decided that this is “Premium” content, so that’s as much as I can read …
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June 8, 2022 10:58am
Maggie Pie

A bezzie from Wellington retweets…

As much as a knob Cuddles has turned out to be….
it’s still a real ‘BIG-UPS’ to the Front Line Troops keeping us safe in our homes.

https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE
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June 8, 2022 11:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Incredible. How can she say that with a straight face?
https://rumble.com/v17ojzq-press-room-goes-silent-when-press-sec-takes-gaslighting-to-new-level.html?
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June 8, 2022 11:55am
- cmm
  
  The dumb people feel that prices are going up.
  We experts feel that everything is under control and the best it ever has been.
  
  Our feelings are better than your feelings so STFU!
  
  Unsaid PS: I’m a woman of color so you can’t argue with me. If you do then you are a racist!
  
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  June 8, 2022 12:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayer’s Union. Govt backtracking.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/inland_revenue_company_tax_proposal?
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June 8, 2022 12:02pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  When you sell all the shares in your business the company loses all of its imputation credits. That means that all that income that had been taxed at 28% will be taxed again when distributed as dividends but without any tax credits attached. This basically means they’ll be paying the 28% tax twice.
  
  No-one sells shares without clearing out the Imputation Credit Account by declaring dividends first. That policy is pointless, clueless and nasty. I’m actually embarrassed for Parker and especially the IRD for entertaining this mess.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shooting in Newlands. Police fired continuous shots.
Treated medically but died at the scene. Why provide medical treatment?
Remember Chopper Reid? Shot someone and another person says “Are you going to take him to Hospital?”
Chopper: “Nope, kind of defeats the purpose”
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June 8, 2022 12:06pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  According to Police, the bloke, a King Cobras gang member, was holding a knife to the throat of his partner, and there was a young child in the room. The Police did what they had to do, and whilst injured, the woman and child got out alive. Meanwhile King Cobra members turned up at the Police cordon, and showered officers with abuse.
  
  My thoughts are with the officers who took this bloke down. They will now get put through the wringer with multiple investigations, and all the do-gooders will make all sorts of inferences that they didn’t have to shoot.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Tony, I did hear about the knife thing.
    As soon as these bad bastards get the message about attempting to kill, they may not get dead.
    The Police do not shoot at me, wonder why?
    
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    June 8, 2022 4:05pm
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t think that bloke will get too much sympathy from anyone except his family & friends.
    BTW
    It seems he wasn’t a gang member.
    
    Maybe the people that were cheering on the people who threw pavers at the police at parliament thought the police overreacting.
    
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    June 8, 2022 5:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

California is prone to forest and scrub fires.

For decades ecologists and Foresters have been warning authorities of the danger of too much dry fuel (dead trees, branches, leaf litter) in these fire-prone ecosystems.

Perhaps the authorities will now take notice.

Indigenous knowledge reveals history of fire-prone California forest

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01232-x
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June 8, 2022 12:11pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Authorities used to take note.
  From 1926 to around 1979 Fires dropped in number.
  Nice data here from the US Forest Service
  Then they reverted to not allowing scrub to be thinned and fires increased.
  Still far reduced from the 1930’s though.
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/08/11/national-public-radios-misinformation-on-wildfires-and-climate-part-2/
  You will love the graph of Drought predictions at the bottom if this article!
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:01pm
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s all misinformation, fires don’t result from fuel burning, they are caused by climate change, which we will solve by taxing and taking away freedom from the deplorable classes.
    
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    June 8, 2022 1:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shit – you are correct. How come I forgot all about ‘climate change?’
      Maybe I have not been programed – yet.
      
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      June 8, 2022 4:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is of coarse the fucking Greens! Plant a forest outside your back door to save the planet. Some trees die, the undergrowth dies and catches fire by whatever method. It is caused by CLIMATE CHANGE, not the fuckwits who plant trees at the back door.
    Having been to Alaska, I have seen this. Fires where you would not believe around the Wasilla area. Yep, Alaska gets hot for about 7 weeks each year.
    Now, for the followers – God is an arsonist. Explain that without God moves in mysterious ways.
    
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    June 8, 2022 4:19pm
Opie

Michael Douglas in the movie “Falling Down” offering a wonderful approach to a consumer led fight back against inflation and high prices.

https://youtu.be/a2YRMixW9u8

We advertise inflation at 7% yet everything relevant has gone up by 25-30%.

Stand up against gross price gouging. Lots of companies who treated you bad when their money came too easy are begging for you to come back now…
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June 8, 2022 12:13pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The first quarter inflation figure was artificially low. Russia didn’t invade Ukraine until 24 February, almost two months into the March quarter. I suspect we’re in for some REALLY bad news with the June quarter inflation figure, which will include the full effect of fuel price rises and the knock-on effect of that. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if inflation is up around 9% for the June quarter.
  
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  June 8, 2022 12:38pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Our inflation was already baked in before Ukraine happened
    Thats just an excuse to distract from the incompetence of Ardern and Robbo.
    
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    June 8, 2022 12:44pm
  - Opie
    
    Thats good news as I usually base my remuneration review at twice the rate of inflation so will ask for 20%
    
    And therein lies the problem and ever increasing spiral of prices
    
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    June 8, 2022 2:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As being 70 years young soon, can I ask the Labour Govt for 20% ?
      They will look at me like I have 5 heads, instead of 3 heads
      
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      June 8, 2022 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th.
The committee is made up solely of Democrats and two Never Trump Republicans who voted to impeach him.
The Left Comes Unglued Whining That Fox News Will Not Air Jan. 6 Prime Time Committee Hearing
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/the-left-comes-unglued-whining-that-fox-news-will-not-air-jan-6-prime-time-committee-hearing/?
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June 8, 2022 12:20pm
- MCōs
  
  Are you outraged the Proud Boys have been charged with sedition?
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:33pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Know how Pres.Biden came by the name…. “Creepy Joe”?

A great save since it was deleted from YouTube 😀

https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1534000634013302787
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June 8, 2022 12:30pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  ewww walking corpse getting all gropy.. need to vom
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Getting? He has always done that – and being a Democrat he is immune from getting called out or prosecuted.
    Here is why Harry:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
    
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    June 8, 2022 4:28pm
Zorba

Health “Equity” or genocide? What a bunch of miserable reprobates.
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June 8, 2022 12:34pm
dcrane

Job ads like this make me feel ill. (DoC in this case, but most govt jobs are shot through with this “tiriti”/woke cult stuff):

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/57275293
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June 8, 2022 12:36pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Welcome to the world of co-government (translated means, settlers, be gone).
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayer’s Union. Couple of hundred short of 100,000 signing the 3 waters petition.
Taxpayer’s Union posts on my FB. I will repost here unless DPF or Moderators object.
https://fb.watch/dvGb_LZb4o/
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June 8, 2022 12:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

He’s coming back and the left can’t stop him. Yuge!
https://uniteamericafirst.com/cisa-report-exonerates-trump-and-makes-case-to-get-rid-of-machines/?
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June 8, 2022 12:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th Committee breakthrough. Pathetic Dems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMkvkSms9f4
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June 8, 2022 12:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayer’s Union, Queenstown.
https://fb.watch/dvGSaYBTvJ/
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June 8, 2022 12:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hung with a shotgun blast to the chest.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/the-mysterious-death-of-clinton-advisor-linked-to-epstein-hung-with-shotgun-blast-in-the-chest/?
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June 8, 2022 12:53pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Like Elon, I too wonder why Epstein’s client list hasn’t been leaked. Everything else gets leaked, so I cannot imagine why this information isn’t in the public domain.
  
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  June 8, 2022 12:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The client list is held by those who are on the ‘client list’
    Old saying “do bears shit in the woods?” ” Is the Pope a Catholic?” “Are the Kennedys gun shy?”
    Now becomes “Are the Clintons gun shy?”
    “If I go down, I will take half of DC with me?”
    It is simple, the control of others and not even in Government.
    
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    June 8, 2022 4:38pm
  - dcrane
    
    Presumably the implied extrajudicial death sentence for the leaker.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:09pm
All_on_Red

Agree. Weapons aside, US engine tech is 20 years ahead of the rest of the world due to superior metallurgy.
The US engines last, the Chinese not so much and the Russians less.
The F35 is a game changer. Its ability to select over 100 targets and relay that to other resources to kill and also to drones which it can also direct and control is a force multiplier never seen before.
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June 8, 2022 12:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chinese metals that are recycled have virtually no new metal in the product. Full of other metals, white alloys, brass, copper. The product is brittle, has very little resistance to metal fatigue, just fracturs and breaks.
  I know this instantly when I weld it, it is shit!
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:00pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Their stainless steel rusts in no time.
    
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    June 8, 2022 3:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends on the grade. I have seen SS like small honeycomb – not Chinese.
      SS pins for boat trailer rollers.
      
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      June 8, 2022 4:41pm
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps the stuff they use for themselves isn’t the shit metal that finds itself into 99 cent tat sold to Gweilo.
    
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    June 8, 2022 5:20pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      In my extensive experience Chinese don’t trust Chinese for critical precision engineering. Chinese manufacturers will frequently insist upon using imported materials. Chinese sourced metals in generally meet the specifications for alloy constituents but frequently have unacceptable levels of ‘inclusions’ tiny fragments of various insoluble crap distributed through the metal. These fragments create local stress concentrations that weaken the metal massively – you can only use those Chinese sourced materials if you design the parts with much lower strengths levels in mind
      
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      June 8, 2022 6:09pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Heh. My eldest is currently dealing with Chinese business culture at PB Tech
    
    Have been a customer of theirs for maybe a decade now, usually on small stuff, thank god. Will never deal with them again.
    
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    June 8, 2022 8:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayer’s Union, Selwyn.
https://fb.watch/dvHBubXMom/
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June 8, 2022 1:01pm
JimBobJoe

Granny in full message control mode… Republish from the spinoff….
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-spinoff-conspiracy-theorists-are-losing-it-over-a-clip-of-jacinda-ardern-in-new-york/THICVL7GIWJDSKKL4JB5DM5DHE/

If it’s not true why talk about……

Right now Im hearing:

wooohhooo. Ooooh ooooh Barbara Streisand!!!
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June 8, 2022 1:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why? why did I click on that link?
  And there is nothing wrong with Jaspinda’s nose
  
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  June 8, 2022 4:45pm
Maggie Pie

Neighbors are calling it….. a “SEISMIC CHANGE”

NZH 8/6/2022:
‘Residents sell up in droves as Whangarei State Housing development gets underway’

STUFF 29/11/2019:
‘Despite 98% of the 356 submitters opposed to the subdivision…. it was approved anyway’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/117535141/housing-nz-development-goes-ahead-in-whangarei-northland-to-meet-need

Whose ‘need’? Certainly not hard-working taxpayers.
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June 8, 2022 1:13pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  NZ the land of ghettos. Just a quick look at the housing estates in England and the high crime that goes with should tell a council that this is not a good idea.
  
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  June 8, 2022 1:18pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s probably not the density of the housing but that of its occupants that is the big concern.
  
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  June 8, 2022 3:13pm
- greybeard
  
  Not the first time for Whangarei.
  Back in the 1960’s they built an entire suburb dedicated to low-cost housing: the Otangerei Block.
  Matt Rata used to live there.
  What a hole.
  
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  June 8, 2022 8:48pm
Maggie Pie

This is all getting a bit silly…..

Even though it’s been well over a year now since the mysterious-death of beautiful Remuera socialite Pauline Polkinghorne, the police are STILL calling it….. ‘unexplained’

And again today, there’s ANOTHER one they’re treating the same way 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1534110050934923264
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June 8, 2022 1:54pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, if the sweetie pies at tennis give you any gossip on this subject please let us know.
  
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  June 8, 2022 3:43pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    C’mon now Toe…..everyone knows peoples secrets are safe with me.
    
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    June 8, 2022 3:57pm
    - trout
      
      Surely there will be an inquest by a Coroner; it is reputed that the cause of death has been established.
      
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      June 8, 2022 4:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You are the biggest gossip in Remuera and Kiwiblog, and long may it continue.
      Now this Remuera socialite Pauline Polkinghorne is more famous than you?
      Serious question really Maggie.
      
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      June 8, 2022 4:51pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I can tell you one thing Steve…
        
        If they find me dead leaning over the bench with my frock up over my waist…someone’s gonna have some explaining to do.
        
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        June 8, 2022 6:23pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  His mum said he was a lovely guy.
  The pics and the story suggest that is some weapons-grade rosy tinted glasses.
  
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  June 8, 2022 4:01pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  There have been an awful lot of”unexplained” and “sudden” deaths. Coincidentally since the jab rollouts began. Of course, correlation is not causation. 🤡
  
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  June 9, 2022 8:03am
krazykiwi

Is the worm turning? A heart surgeon is published in Virology Journal, a respected mainstream journal: Adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccines and measures to prevent them.

If you have been vaccinated, here is Dr Yamamoto’s advice in respect of suspected damage to your immune system:

The decrease in immunity can be caused by several factors such as N1-methylpseudouridine, the spike protein, lipid nanoparticles, antibody-dependent enhancement, and the original antigenic stimulus. These clinical alterations may explain the association reported between COVID-19 vaccination and shingles. As a safety measure, further booster vaccinations should be discontinued. In addition, the date of vaccination should be recorded in the medical record of patients. Several practical measures to prevent a decrease in immunity have been reported. These include limiting the use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, including acetaminophen to maintain deep body temperature, appropriate use of antibiotics, smoking cessation, stress control, and limiting the use of lipid emulsions, including propofol, which may cause perioperative immunosuppression.In conclusion, COVID-19 vaccination is a major risk factor for infections in critically ill patients.

Propofol is, I believe, used in minor surgical procedures. One of our resident Drs might like to comment.
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- mawm
  
  There’s some bad advice in there. It’s good to see high profile specialities speaking out like this and the neurosurgeon before but they are not at the forefront in managing the disease or the complications of vaccines. You’ll get better advice from FLCCC. Here is their management plan for vaccine injured.
  https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/An-Approach-to-Vac-Injured-FINAL-May24-1.pdf
  
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  June 8, 2022 4:59pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, I’ve previously posted on the FLCCC protocol. About 1 hour after it was published, in fact 🙂
    
    Curious to know what you considered to be bad advice from Dr Yamamoto. His appeared to be more focused on clinical settings where the FLCCC’s advice is more retail/public.
    
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    June 8, 2022 6:46pm
    - mawm
      
      Was it the FLCCC advice on vaccine injured that you posted? It’s quite detailed and specifically deals with the different scenarios and tailoring to the patient. It is aimed at medical professionals but their 1st stage treatment is easily understandable. You’ll notice that a lot of their advice contradicts the surgeon and really his comment on Propofol has no studies (that I’m aware of) to back it up.
      
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      June 9, 2022 10:20am
graham

A friend received an email from Vodafone today, updating how they’re investing more money in the network to achieve better connectivity, working on improving their communications, promising to keep costs down and do the very best they can.

The entire email appears to have then been repeated in Maori. Presumably for those customers who are unable to understand English, and can only speak Maori.

And I can’t help wondering … how many people would that be?

I suspect, not many.

And for some inexplicable reason, both versions of the email – the English version, and the Maori version – were signed off with “Ngā mihi”. Again, I can’t help wondering … if you’re going to take the bother to write the same blurb in English and in Maori, wouldn’t it be polite to sign off the English part in English, and sign off the Maori part in Maori?
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June 8, 2022 2:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Therein defeating the stated purpose of the email.
  
  Pissing orf customers , creating additional costs and failing to communicate .
  
  I wonder what the Maori for “vodafone” is.
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:42pm
krazykiwi

From the Its-been-obvious-for-months-now file:
NHS reveals in FOI that Ambulance Call-Outs for Heart Illness have DOUBLED since Covid-19 Vaccination began among all age-groups

The National Health Service has confirmed in response to a freedom of information request that ambulance call-outs relating to immediate care required for a debilitating condition affecting the heart nearly doubled in the whole of 2021 and are still on the rise further in 2022. But the most concerning published figures show that they have also doubled among people under the age of 30.

Look at the chart. Phew!

Related, I know a fit, 32-year old. Sparkie by trade. Footie player. Boasted about never having spent a night in hospital. Never having colds. Guess what? A few months after his [Pfizer income] Booster he has been diagnosed with Pericarditis.
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June 8, 2022 2:56pm
Surely Knott

NZHerald Toby Manhire article, “Conspiracy theorists lose it over Jacinda Ardern clip”. follows the typical media pattern for correcting wrong think. It turns out she did actually visit Blackrock but he doesn’t like your tone. He manages to quite miraculously stuff all these words into the article : Qanon, Trump, Steve Bannon, Cabal, Conspiracy theorists , Nazism, Death Star, Disinformation, dystopian. insidious, secretive, shaky, disinformation, conspiratorial froth. He makes it clear by association that anyone considering the video or the visit should be clear they are at the fringes of society.
But ultimately the article doesn’t say the video is in question, it seems legit. She actually did visit Blackrock. And a real journalist might ask why? What did they discuss? What was the purpose?

He then says people are conspiratorially linking Macron, Trudeau and Ardern to the WEF, Klaus Schwab and a new world order. Well Fact check they are all young global leaders for WEF. He never mentions that. A real journalist would report they were young leaders for WEF and report what that means, what it entailed and what they learned as WEF Young leaders.

His final conspiracy theory is that “BlackRock owns all the major pharmaceutical companies and weapons manufacturers as well as most of the mainstream media.” But again after claiming it’s a conspiracy he then says it’s true they do hold stakes in some of these companies but he provides no detail of who. He agrees it warrants scrutiny. But then says the statements are debunked and “crap” and provides a fact check link to Reuters which basically says Blackrock doesn’t own these other companies the shareholders do so don’t worry.

So again we learned nothing from Manhire about Blackrock or who they own or who their shareholders are. . He provides no facts or journalism. He accuses other of empty hyperbole but engages in it himself.

In a nutshell, don’t ask about the Blackrock visit or the WEF or you are a very very bad conspiracy theorist.
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June 8, 2022 3:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And we never learnt why Ardern or other Business folk from NZ went to Blackrock.
  
  How many Kiwisaver/ACC /NZ Super Fund Assets are being managed by Blackrock?
  
  https://www.nzsuperfund.nz/how-we-invest/investment-managers/our-managers/
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:30pm
- graham
  
  Every time I see a clickbait headline in the Herald (“Conspiracy theorists lose it over Jacinda Ardern clip”), I can’t help but chuckle.
  
  It was just three months ago, almost to the day, that NZ Herald editor Murray Kirkness stated:
  
  We try very hard not to publish alarmist headlines etc.
  
  This was in response to the following comment:
  
  I don’t believe the Herald, or most mainline media in this country, publish propaganda. However, they can use alarmist headlines and carefully edited articles to sell newspapers. I get that. When articles are political, the results can be dramatic. Look at what’s happening right now with empty shops, cafes, offices etc. A large amount of people are afraid of Omicron because of what they’ve seen on TV or read in the paper. The government and their advisors obviously have their own agendas too. It’s up to us to decide how to filter it.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/we-invited-our-readers-to-grill-nzh-editors-they-didnt-hold-back/H7IHBYAG46VVYPPVDTF2PY77WE/
  
  While this particular headline isn’t alarmist, it most certainly falls into the “etc.” category. It’s clickbait – pure and simple.
  
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  June 8, 2022 7:26pm
Tauhei Notts

Burger King, Austria have really got into the swing of things.
They are PROUD (!) of their new Rainbow burger. You can have it with two top halves of a burger bun, or two bottom halves of a burger bun. With beef, lettuce, tomato, cheese etc it does resemble a rainbow.
I had suggested to them several years ago that they sell a lettuce, gherkin, bacon and tomato sandwich. They could label it an LGBT sandwich; “it has a queer taste, but you will love it”.
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June 8, 2022 3:49pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Perhaps a hot dog in a burger bun could be their gay-burger? 😉
  
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  June 8, 2022 4:06pm
  - cmm
    
    You forgot the BBQ sauce.
    
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    June 8, 2022 5:06pm
- [email protected]
  
  I love their “proud” burger idea. That has to be the funniest clever idea in a while. Think they are taking the piss?
  
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  June 8, 2022 6:13pm
Maggie Pie

And I see they’re saying with Cindy and Robbo being away in Oz on Thursday…. Kelvinator will be acting PM.

Question-Time should be an absolute hoot 😀 😀 😀
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June 8, 2022 3:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will special K turn up? Three dickheads will answer for the P and those missing. Hard choice to work out who those will be
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    90 days and Jaspinda or any PM gets into Parliarment 60 days?
    Wow, what a job, for just under $500K
    
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    June 8, 2022 5:09pm
Maggie Pie

Latest ROY MORGAN

Nat/Act (50%)

Lab/Grn (43%)

Call me cynical, but 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/mrsrosieb/status/1534102726979616774
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June 8, 2022 4:25pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Look at the LGBT+ necklace as well
  
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  June 8, 2022 7:44pm
Biscuit

You’re NOT alone, Maggie.

Before they delete them , heh, these were the first three Comments:

Heather: The polls must be down again
Adam Burton: I thought so.
My.Points.Of.View: Desperation
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June 8, 2022 5:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Liked by carlyflyn .
  
  Hmmmm, media bubble dwellers?
  
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  June 8, 2022 5:38pm
Maggie Pie

Watching 3 with a lightly chilled Chablis & a bikkie & cheese…

As my partner said… “Alan Hall’s lawyer will be rubbing his hands together”
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June 8, 2022 6:09pm
Maggie Pie

TRTENDING NOW….

And you’ll recall my earlier GD post @9:11am in relation to Joanna Kidman’s appointment?

Well bugger me……looks like Joanna is a related to William Gannet Ormsby of the ‘Mahuta Corporation’!

https://twitter.com/KiwiFreeSpeech/status/1534394947050565632
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June 8, 2022 7:25pm
- Sparrow
  
  She is the daughter of Fiona Kidman the author and Ken Kidman of Ngati Maniapoto ancestry who carried out excellent work in the Cambodian community. She is married to Vincent O’Malley the historian and author.
  
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  June 8, 2022 10:24pm
graham

Just seen that Prince’s comment at 08:03 this morning is now sitting at 104 likes … seems to have struck a chord with many of us. Maybe we should celebrate “Happy NZ Pakeha Family Day” every year.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/06/general_debate_08_june_2022.html#comment-3190396
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