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dishy

For some time now, we have witnessed a claimed inability to define what a “woman” is, and been asked to both accept and use terms like “birthing parent”, given that men – it seems – can bear children.

That all seems to have changed over the course of Friday night, with the overturning of Roe v Wade. The lead item on 1 News last night, about the Supreme Court decision, mentioned “women”, “mothers” and “grandmothers” 26 times, and birthing parents, transwomen, or men, not once.

So the critics of the decision have outed themselves as exclusionary transphobes. If only they understood the concept of shame, they might experience it.
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June 26, 2022 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  I watched 3 last night and wondered why a piece of American news would be chosen by their activists to lead the broadcast and run for about eight minutes . And yes it was extremely sympathetic to the anti Scotus view.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:45am
  - I remember when
    
    The Roe v Wade decision has given our local media an opportunity to mention abortion, could the same thing happen here and Luxon in the same articles.
    Yes they know he has stated he will not change our legislation but “CAN HE BE TRUSTED.”
    In much recent press there seems to be little or no need for any explanation of Labour legislation, but National must have highly robust alternative actions.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:12pm
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    Why indeed. Why cover an otherwise irrelevant decision of the SCOTUS in such a negative light? Because the decision represents an ideological blow to the power structure both in the US and locally. The abortion issue is independent of religion and is really based in the natural order of things, but pro-life is of course an issue that comports with Christian tenets. What the negative coverage demonstrates is that what the established order fears the most is a popular return to traditional values and an upsurge in Christian Nationalism, both of which are gaining momentum in the United States. Christianity is denounced and dismissed simply because it represents the antitheses to their own degenerate, socially corrosive and fundamentally anti-human worldview. Theirs is a religious worldview at bottom, so Christianity is a competitor. Therefore, they have to paint immorality as morality.
    
    However, whether it was the 2020 BLM civil disorders or unhinged baby killers going ape shit in 2022, when ordinary people see these images they see and understand instinctively what is going on and what society has become, so it is actually the best recruiting tool for a revanchist movement.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:14pm
    - gump
      
      Christian nationalism is denounced because – like all theocracies – it is an evil and controlling cult that mandates belief in the supernatural.
      
      Parts of the US are falling under the control of the Talibangelicals. And just like their namesake the Taliban they will not rest until their regressive and toxic worldview is imposed on non-believers.
      
      Christian nationalists hate freedom. They are a threat to a modern and open society.
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As with the covid circus, you can only cover up insane hypocrisy before the truth eventually comes around to bite you in the arse.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:48am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Sanctimonious hypocritical patriarchal power & control BS. If men could get pregnant abortion wouldn’t even be a question.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    According to “progressives” they can .
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:05am
    - rouppe
      
      The other day I read (can’t find link now) about a person who:
      Born female.
      Became a trans man. Had the testosterone boosters, grew a beard. Called himself Carl I think. All good so far.
      Entered into a gay relationship with another man.
      The couple wants a family. Still nothing to write home about.
      
      But how do they do it? This person stops the testosterone boosters in order to become pregnant and bring the baby to term.
      
      But still asserts they’re a gay man. The convolutions required are dizzying
      
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      June 26, 2022 2:25pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Only in America eh? I believe Maxine Waters has put her hand up to assist in the birth.
        
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        June 26, 2022 6:48pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If men could get pregnant then they’d be women
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:11am
    - arkhad
      
      If men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.
      
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      June 26, 2022 12:26pm
  - mawm
    
    Kiwikid – what sanctimonious BS!
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:14am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I wonder how the “mostly peaceful” “protests” are going to turn out. Expect violence, mayhem and looting. Remember, it’s different when the left do it.
  
  I read where pre-teen girls are taking up megaphones and urging the protesters on – proudly watched over by their woke virtue-signaling dangerous lefty parents. They should be locked up for child abuse, but will instead be praised for the “bravery” of the little girls they’re thrusting into the middle of the protest.
  
  If any 12-year-old girl is complaining that she can’t get an abortion, there’s something seriously wrong with their parents.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Apparently flyers have already been seen that appear to be inciting riots. These were posted before the decision was released.
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/night-rage-flyers-spotted-dc-ahead-roe-v-wade-decision?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=738
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:28am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Ironically, if riots occur it will be in Democrat cities in Democrat states where abortion is, and will remain legal. Go figure as they say in ‘Murica.
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:00am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      From the article cited: ‘Jane’s Revenge said the impending decision “is an event that should inspire rage in millions of people who can get pregnant.”‘
      
      FFS they can’t even say “women” it has to be “people who can get pregnant” well here’s the news leftards, the only people that can get pregnant are biological females i.e. women.
      
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      June 26, 2022 2:24pm
  - gump
    
    I think it is admirable that there are twelve year old girls who have been raised with the empathy and awareness to understand that denying all women access to safe and legal abortion is cruel and misguided.
    
    You can’t understand this because your parents failed at teaching you how to be a decent human being.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:55am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you really stupid? Genuine question, I’m interested to know.
      
      Because anyone who states that the overturning of Roe v Wade means that “all women are denied access to safe and legal abortion” is either one or the other.
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:41am
      - gump
        
        Overturning Roe v. Wade extinguishes a legal right held by all women that was previously established by the Supreme Court.
        
        Some states will give permission for women to access safe and legal abortions. But the Supreme Court has decided they have no right to access it – they can only have permission, and that permission may be withdrawn at any time by state legislatures.
        
        And of course it’s Conservatives who are taking rights away. They don’t believe in freedom and never did.
        
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        June 26, 2022 12:14pm
      - Harro104
        
        Bit pedantic Lodden. Universal access has been rescinded. All (eg women as a collective) are denied the right. Some individual rights remain.
        
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        June 26, 2022 12:49pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Wrong end of the stick, Grump.
        
        The Supreme Court simply decided that the constitutionally correct place for abortion rights to be determined is at the State level.
        
        People who don’t like this have access to the process provided for in the Constitution, which is to request an Amendment.
        
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        June 26, 2022 5:34pm
      - Lenticular
        
        Live by policy preferences pushed through the unelected court, die by policy preferences pushed through the unelected court, gump.
        
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        June 26, 2022 10:00pm
  - Mickey
    
    There may not be looting this time around, the shelves are empty!
    
    These lefties talk about abortion like every 2nd girl needs one.
    
    Their justification for abortion is for incest or rape. USA stats show that a dozen contraceptives that can be used.
    
    Yes, some contraceptives do fail, but that may be another <1%. So after all the maths, there are 98% women who get abortions because it is as easy as popping an unwanted pimple.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:59am
  - curry4me
    
    I wonder if the law change will cause will cause Dems to move from red states to blue ones? What a shame that’d be. //
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:39am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, there’s no market for White Wedding Dresses these days.
    
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    June 26, 2022 6:54pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    What if the little girl has been raped and it is medically advisable to abort early-term?
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:53pm
- Mickey
  
  It’s been almost 2 years since the lefty liberals best mate, My Body My Choice, went into hiding. People thought he may have died, others thought he had simply retired and no longer needed. There were even rumor’s that he had been sent to a liberal ‘reconfiguration camp’ and was forced to donate a kidney!
  
  My Body My Choice has made a stunning entrance once again!!
  Poor fella is now being used and abused left right and center once again since SCOTUS ruled that abortion is NO LONGER A FEDERAL ISSUE. It is not a constitutional right to kill an unborn baby.
  
  SCOTUS has ruled that each STATE will decide its own abortion laws.
  
  So, now it seems My Body My Choice is still valid and he can be used successfully once again, however one may have to travel to a State that allows the murder of unborn babies.
  
  My Body My Choice may be renamed to My Gas Fees My Choice!!
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:26am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes, Mickey, he’s been absent for almost 2 years. Gosh, I wonder what happened almost 2 years ago that might have made him go into hiding?
    
    I guess it might have something to do with mandates around vaccination, mask-wearing and freedom of movement, but that would be sheer speculation on my part.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:44am
- Lenticular
  
  A reminder that ACT has sided with the wokes…again.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Got stuck overseas….. were your super payments suspended?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300619622/dont-pay-and-check-on-your-case-retirement-commissioner-tells-stranded-pensioners

“I wish the system could have been more flexible and more humane from the outset.
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June 26, 2022 8:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It wasn’t the system, as we all know. It was the muppets who designed the system, and ruthlessly enforced it.
  
  Be kind? You’re having a laugh Cindy!
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:19am
- Ra Henare
  
  In my experience, the MSD Internal Review of Decision process is long and drawn out and in the end becomes a rubber stamp for whatever some MSD staffer has originally decided..
  
  This view is supported by the number of cases dropped or lost when a real legal review is done by the Social Security Review authority(a legislated judicial body)
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:27am
G152

How about our cheese makers stop calling the different varieties of cheese by their type names and rename the varieties in Maori to avoid the fuss of the French fromagers at the better quality of our cheeses ????
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June 26, 2022 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  A cheese called Pleiades ?
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:06am
- KiwiSapper
  
  Are you suggesting the theft and arrant “cultural appropriation” by Maori of another culture?
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  I do hope not.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Blessed are the cheese-makers!
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:45am
Sam Hill

Good morning to everyone who has children and is able to provide them with shelter, warmth, food, love, education and moral guidance.

Responsible parenting is the key to solving most of the issues in this country.
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June 26, 2022 8:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. The family unit is the most effective, efficient social welfare mechanism on the planet. If only governments recognised that this construct, not their bureaucratic system was the best way foward.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:52am
- pdm
  
  Sam we have continued influencing children and teaching them personal responsibiilty as we evolved through parenthood, then as grandparents and now for three years great-grandparents.
  
  We think our success rate is very good apart from those family members who still think Jacinda Ardern walks on water. No matter how close to you some children just will not listen.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:54am
  - crikey
    
    pdm: It’s more than that. A (significant) part of the problem, in my view, is parents not providing instruction on morals and values to their children, not caring about it or devolving that to early education teachers.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:51am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Couldn’t agree more Sam, but I would express it slightly differently:
  
  Good morning to everyone who ensured they were able to provide their children with shelter, warmth, food love and moral guidance before they took the decision to have them, and who then ensured they paid attention to their education.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How dare you treat the kids with dignity. Parents are not to tell kiddies anything, that’s for Marxist teachers to do you know (sarc)
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sam, how will Labour possibly stay in power with responsible parenting?
  They want Fatherless Families dependent on Welfare. They want racial division (divide and conquer) They want to keep people on the “plantation”
  See a few videos of Candace Owens saying exactly that. Oh, her book ‘Blackout’ is brilliant.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:19am
Scott

The events in America where Roe vs Wade was overturned shows the big differences between NZ and America. Over there they have debate. They can discuss things. They have outlets like Fox news that has a different point of view.

Here in NZ we have a one party state where the media fawns over the prime minister and there is no push back. She can do whatever she wants. She personally championed our new abortion law that essentially offers unrestricted abortion. There was no compromise to the pro life side whatsoever. And our media treated this as completely normal.

My wider point is that is how we are on everything. There is no debate. There is only one point of view allowed on everything. We are becoming like a country that voted in a socialist government. An increasingly authoritarian government, with state control of the media, increasing poverty and crime out of control. That country is Venezuela.

We urgently need to free ourselves from state control and open the public square to real debate on real issues. Issues like abortion. Like America does. Or else we’ll become like Venezuela.

In her heart our prime minister dreams of Venezuela.
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June 26, 2022 8:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Great words, just a point re Venezuela, it’s like “Venezuela” mainly due to the obnoxious sanctions regime by the US. As with all countries that try and stand up to them, they get punished for daring to accede to whatever is demanded of them.
  It has worked so well over the decades they thought it would work on Russia but it appears as though Russia fully anticipated and prepared and the sanctions are backfiring severely on those imposing them.
  Footnote – these are observations, they don’t make me a “Putin troll”. Just getting in before the usual muppets wake up!
  Happy Sunday. A good day for golf as I look out the window over the beach.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:53am
  - CJames
    
    Venezuala was well on the way to being a basket case long before the US imposed sanctions. The policies of Chavez bankrupted the country.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then why did the US bother to impose sanctions……
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:31am
      - CJames
        
        I see you continue to display your ignorance at not being able to use search engines. First hits (for me as your filters may be different) were:
        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-imposed-sanctions-venezuela
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/03/12/why-is-the-united-states-sanctioning-venezuela-2/
        And note they are on the Maduro dictatorship, long after their economy collapsed.
        
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        June 26, 2022 9:46am
      - Lenticular
        
        Venezuela nationalised their oil industry, Mac. When you nationalise the one industry you have and hand control over to socialist party apparatchiks, you don’t thrive.
        
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        June 26, 2022 9:34pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I can use search engines and I may do later in the day. I’m getting my golf gear ready.
      Thanks for the links.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:27am
      - Littletramp
        
        Golf, beach, links -I see what you did there.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:52am
  - Cassandra
    
    Enjoy your golf, Mac. Venezuela is like Venezuela because of its crazy policies, not because of the USA. There is a middle road and Chavez didn’t take it.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I’ll look into it later, but why would the US want to punish Venezuela if it was already self destructing under their own steam? What was the point? What was Venezuela doing that so upset the US?
      As with Syria, other than refusing to bow to American demands, what did they do to deserve the wrath of apparently the most powerful country on the planet?
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:25am
      - Master Mariner
        
        On my phone. But in essence they nationalised their Oil and Gas.
        4th largest proven reserves.
        All wars are about Energy security and pipelines.
        But hey, We in NZ are not allowed to know this.
        
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        June 26, 2022 12:32pm
- Philview
  
  Last night multiple NZ media outlets attacked Chris Luxon and the National Party over this. It seemed orchestrated and made me feel uneasy. The National Party issued a mature and intelligent response that it would not comment on constitutional arrangements in the US. I felt a twinge of anger that Jacinda Ardern believes she has greater insight to this case than the top legal brains in the USA.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon was right, it has nothing to do with us. The performance of the vulgar pm was utterly disgusting, who does she thinks she is as NZ burns. Mahuta has coped it from all sides, as she voted against abortion, what a hypocrite.
    But Luxon has made them look sick saying Nats will not change that law because of previous work, remembering of cause it was a vote on personal opinion
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:53am
  - Matt Long
    
    St Jacinda has a messiah complex, the kind that Jim Jones had.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:56am
  - crikey
    
    Philview: You just don’t get it. Jacinda knows everything about everything.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:54am
    - pdm
      
      Crikey – I am more in the camp that says she knows absolutely NOTHING about anything that is of value to New Zealand and New Zealanders.
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:13am
      - mawm
        
        I think crikey’s “/s” is implied.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:33am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Take off the rose-tinted glasses Scott. The media has pushed back against the Government. Of more interest is that Trump is self-congratulating on Roe v Wade at the same time his alleged treasonous activities are being investigated. Of note is that his daughter has shown she wears her own shoes. Now there could be a presidential candidate of quality and dignity.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:06am
  - Scott
    
    Thanks for your comments Brian. It’s good that we can discuss on this blog these kind of important issues. Like whether human life is sacred and worth our care and attention. Or whether human life can be ended when it’s not convenient.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “…alleged treasonous activities…”
    
    Nice one centurion, like it like it. Always a bonus to start the day with a good chuckle.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:44am
  - Inandout
    
    BM, rose tinted glasses? Please comment on that State Capitol building that was taken over by a flurry of pink topped protestors. How many were arrested for ‘treasonous activities’? You do realise the Jan 6th stage show by Dems has a CNN type viewership, like a trickle.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ivanka is a closet Democrat.
    This will interest you McDonald:
    https://rumble.com/vi1or5-rsbn-live.html
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:28am
    - Colville
      
      Trump Snr was a dem most of his life so no surprise.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And Donald, but he switched.
        I guess by Snr you mean Fred?
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:22am
- Tom Hunter
  
  My wider point is that is how we are on everything. There is no debate. There is only one point of view allowed on everything.
  
  Yes, I saw this vividly when I returned from living and working for years in the USA. It’s the primary reason why I focus on US matters over at No Minister. The Yanks are still committed to argument on most issues and regard very little to be “settled”.
  
  Moreover, we actually take pride in the lack of debate on many subjects, because the Left correctly regards having won these debates and now there’s nothing more to discuss – except when the envelope gets pushed further.
  
  Just one example of this outcome is that National and ACT are quite happy with this situation since they can just argue about economics, especially corporate and personal tax cuts.
  
  The joke on them is that as our society slowly decays to a sad, grey world of kids and adults increasingly dependent on the state – which thus also grows ever larger to serve the increasing numbers, with more departments and ministries and quangos and working groups and bureaucrats – we’ll lock in such spending to the point where not even ACT will find room for their precious tax cuts.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  The Abortion Legislation Act 2020 was passed prior to the present government & because NZ First voted against it relied on the support of a number of Nats to pass it’s third reading.
  A number of Labour MPs voted against.
  FYI
  The PM and the Leader of the Opposition, both female, voted yes.
  The Deputy PM and two previous Leaders of the Opposition, all male, voted no.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/how-mps-voted-on-abortion-law-reform/WV4JCWZTSB4PFZFHTFUTDFUC64/
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:58am
  - CJames
    
    NoticeNanaia Mahuta voted against it – the same person who has Foreign Minister tweeted against the SCOTUS decision. There is a word for that type of behaviour.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:50am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Forgetfulness?
      
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      June 26, 2022 5:39pm
cjn

Are we really joining a military alliance with the USA, Japan, Australia to contain China? As a franchise of NATO. Will it be called the Blue Pacific Alliance? Can anyone see any problems?
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June 26, 2022 8:15am
- JimBobJoe
  
  It is were we should be. And we should leverage it more by including India and then pushing our partners for better trade access.
  
  China is and always has been an authoritarian state – since the days of the warring states period and even before inside those individual states. Its going on for 3000 years of authoritarian rule in Mainland China. The CCP is just the same principles with a slightly different rhetoric…
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    We have no leverage for trade liberalisation if we join an alliance first.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep..
  
  Looks like it
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-involved-in-new-us-led-pacific-partners-initiative
  
  https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/australia-america-pacific-partnership-and-region
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ Defence needs more equipment, how about a solar powered kayak?
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Take more mind-altering drugs, kiddies…..
You know they’re good for you…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-rise-of-white-collar-magic-mushroom-users-in-aotearoa-new-zealand/JJEBFOUHANFNQJ5J5277FT45OU/

We’ll slip in a couple of uncredited tales…and neglect the problems.

https://www.insider.com/are-magic-mushrooms-dangerous-2019-1
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9875725/
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June 26, 2022 8:16am
- ByGolly
  
  The Insider article is also anecdotal and unconvincing-
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:33pm
NK

The Black Caps have been very disappointing on this tour. They’ve never managed to dominate for decent periods of time, and have let England back into all three tests. Without Mitchell and Blundell they’d have been slaughtered in all three tests.
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June 26, 2022 8:17am
- Nickc2
  
  Perhaps they should have ‘taken the knee’ in honour of successful defeats eh?
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:35am
- pdm
  
  They play far too much `hit and giggle’ T20 cricket and not enough tests.
  
  Still `hit and giggle’ is where they money is and our top 5 or 6 players are very wealthy because of it. Just a shame it means they are not `hardened’ for the grind that Test Cricket is.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:58am
  - Colville
    
    You think it’s a pity that elite athletes can earn a decent living?
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:01am
    - pdm
      
      Coville – not at all but Test Cricket is the ultimate and T20 does nothing to help that.
      
      There is a huge difference between a match over 5 days (450 overs) and one that only takes two or three hours. (40 overs).
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:17am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Before we climb into them too much, what about a bit of credit for the opposition? England under Baz McCullum and with a swash-buckling captain (both New Zealanders by the way) are a side transformed.
  
  New Zealand is the reigning Test Match Champion side and we’ve lost Ross Taylor to retirement, with Southee surely not far behind. A rebuilding phase is not unwarranted.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:47am
- Prince
  
  I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but does anyone else think it strange that DRS is down for 9 balls, during which Blundell is fired LBW when the ball is clearly missing leg stump ?
  And what is it with Stuart Broad’s antics, when NZ batsmen are established, demanding that the ball be changed – sometimes 4 times per over. The umpires hold up play each time, which the commentators think is a great jape. He’s like a spoilt brat, perhaps unsurprisingly given Daddy, Chris, is/was an ICC Match Official.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. Broad hurtling the ball into the ground after having yet another attempt to replace it turned down was not just a fit of pique, it was also cheating & should have been responded to by him being stood down from the crease for the remainder of the innings.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:17am
    - pdm
      
      If Broad did that hopefully he will cop a decent fine – at least half of his match fee.
      
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      June 26, 2022 11:19am
  - MCōs
    
    I saw that childish behaviour by Broad.
    He all but rolled around on the ground clutching his shin. He even threw the ball on the ground.
    There should be restrictions on how often a ball can be checked.
    Finally the ball was changed and in the blink of an eye the new one moved around & Bracewell was caught.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:22am
    - MCōs
      
      Interestingly all the guys that have had covid-19 since the start of the tour have underperformed.
      Nichols, Williamson, Conway & Bracewell.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:32am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        All batsmen too. One of the common symptoms of covid seems to be brain fogginess. I suspect there’s a longer tail to full recovery that’s most apparent when you work in a high stress environment – like someone hurling a cricket ball at you.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:14am
      - pdm
        
        Sorry Bollocks hit report by mistake.
        
        Same with Lydia Ko – took her a good month to 6 weeks to come back to some solid golf form and no reason why test cricketers should be different as concentration levels would be pretty much the same.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Mitchell and Blundell back in again, is it possible they could put another large partnership together again? Probably not, but just imagine another large score for both these guys
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:55am
  - MCōs
    
    Mitchell seems to have come out of nowhere. It’s taken him ten years to be an overnight success.
    Unfortunately in NZ a lot of obviously talented players are rushed into the Blackcaps too young, with their weaknesses quickly exploited.
    I have Martin Crowe’s autobiography. He played against Oz when he was 19, batting against Lillee & Thompson, who hit him on the head.
    He was good enough, and bloody minded enough, to work through that start when even some of his teammates treated him like shit.
    Other guys don’t have the resilience (& need to make a living).
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:12pm
solarsailer

The hypocrisy of politicians like Ardern and Seymour affirming their pro-choice stances after the reversal of Roe v Wade. These are the same politicians who were happy to take away people’s choice by mandating the Covid jab.
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June 26, 2022 8:21am
- emmess
  
  Yeah sorry, the ‘my body, my choice’ argument no longer flies.
  Neither does, ‘ a women’s right to choose’, as they cannot even define what a women is.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Have they not just put abortion law back to the individual states? I don’t think this is such a big deal as the woman still has options
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is all it is. Want abortion on demand is your State? Get onto your Representatives.
    What the Dems don’t get, is abortion is still available for certain medical reasons, just not available as a contraceptive.
    That’s how I read it anyway.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:01am
- MCōs
  
  Of course the opposite then applies doesn’t it?
  
  I would have thought Seymour would have been against any restrictions to one’s freedoms.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:35am
- Bluegrass
  
  You nailed it.
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m so glad that Our Dear PM has finally realised that a woman has a right to decide matters about her own body.

Ardern said in her statement that “watching the removal of a woman’s fundamental right to make decisions over their own body is incredibly upsetting”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129080107/pm-jacinda-ardern-slams-us-abortion-ruling-but-chris-luxon-avoids-reaction

How strange that she was unaware of that concept last year when women in NZ lost their jobs because they would not have the Pfizer vaccine injected into their bodies.
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June 26, 2022 8:24am
- Swifty
  
  Do they not themselves see the stinking hypocrisy of their positions?
  
  Or so they see it and wilfully ignore it?
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:26am
  - Swifty
    
    *do they
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:33am
  - Ruahine
    
    Just calm down Cindy.
    There will be a ruling by the SCOTUS on 3 Waters this September.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think they see the stinking hypocrisy at all.
    
    Some of the main supporters of mandatory covid vaxxes and Jacinda worshippers in my little set around Gizzy were from females who have been liberal feminists all their lives.
    
    I think they support women’s rights only up to the point that it impinges on their own comforts or health.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:16am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Had discussion with two nurses who said that the non vax’d should be charged more when they turn up in their droves at the hospitals and it is their “community responsibility” not to take up any space………….sigh Pity we don’t have any proper information about and around covid/hospitals. Ages, race, co-morbidities, vaxxed or not etc.
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    Anything for a headline, especially now the Maori Long Weekend has proven to be just like any other Long Weekend.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:21am
- NK
  
  Jan Logie, “Aotearoa should be a place where everyone…Can choose what’s right for their body and their future”.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:26am
  - Swifty
    
    *except when we tell you otherwise….
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:34am
  - Ruahine
    
    Jan Logie.
    Disingenuous hypocrite.
    Did not hear that when we were forced to take Pfizers rubbish.
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:57am
- Cassandra
  
  As is the case with most things, Ardern knows nothing about the US constitution.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda could start with the First Amendment, to read and understand it.
    And the Second. Wait, too much to comprehend.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:19am
    - Ehlana
      
      How about she starts with the Treaty of Waitangi. It has fewer words than the US constitution.
      
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      June 26, 2022 2:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How about she starts with the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
        No need…
        Willie can always tell her what it says and interpret its meaning for us all.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/pm-jacinda-ardern-stumbles-when-asked-to-recite-treaty-of-waitangi-articles.html
        
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        June 26, 2022 3:14pm
- dishy
  
  I agree, NK – those (like 1 News) who describe the decision as ideological/ conservative fail to appreciate that the decision is not about the morality of abortion per se, but whether the relevant laws are to be made at Federal or State level.
  
  As I understand it, even the late RBG – that darling of the left – believed that Roe v Wade was not good law.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:34am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    RBG should have resigned during Obama’s presidency, to give him the opportunity to replace her with someone with similar views. But, in an act of hubris, she clung on and on, into the Trump era.
    
    As ye sew, so shall ye reap.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:09am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think it’s “sow” but your point is an excellent one.
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:52am
    - Alwynn
      
      If she had resigned the Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time, would never have held hearings on a replacement and Trump would have had an earlier chance to nominate someone.
      Do you not remember Merrick Garland? After Antonin Scalia died Obama nominated Garland to replace him. That was on March 16 2016, nearly 8 months before the election at which Trump was elected. The Republican leadership in the Senate refused to hold hearings and said that it was too close to election day and that a replacement should be put off until after the election of a new President.
      That principle did not apply when Trump nominated Amy Barrett only 5 weeks before election day in 2020 of course. Funny that.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:56am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        RBG had 8 years in which to resign.
        
        But yes, I agree with your main point, which is that it was disgraceful that the Senate refused to debate a replacement for Scalia.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:18am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Yeah, not good. But in the specific instance of Merrick Garland his actions since in leading and politicising the DOJ (down to publically contradicting Scotus rulings that the DOJ is supposed to help enforce) he is turning it into a quasi-Stasi operating on behalf of the Democrats. He was clearly not fit to become a supreme court justice.
        
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        June 26, 2022 11:25am
      - Lenticular
        
        75% of election year nominees with an opposing Senate were blocked over the whole 20th century. Almost none with a supporting Senate were. Garland – who has turned out to be a partisan hack of the first order – was always going to be blocked, and ACB passed.
        
        McConnell was disingenuous (why deny it?), but…it’s the US Senate, if lying to a camera was a disqualification, it’d be empty.
        
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        June 26, 2022 9:56pm
  - PeeJay
    
    My personal favourite on this was some airhead on the “news” recently complaining that this was undemocratic because this was law made by an unelected court.
    
    So let’s just get this straight.
    
    Unelected court, therefore undemocratic, makes law through roe vs wade ruling = good. Same unelected court, therefore undemocratic, effectively overturns previous decision and sends this back to individual states to decide (you know, state governments that are democratically elected), and this decision = bad.
    
    Wow – that is some cognitive dissonance there!
    
    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have a view on this issue, i possibly tend to swing pro-choice but not really a big issue for me. I just find the hyperbole over this ruling infuriating. This ruling doesn’t outlaw abortion – it simply says this is not a constitutional issue and it’s for the states to decide.
    
    Can you imagine the outrage in our media and government if Biden criticised us over one of our rulings? The country would go nuts. But it’s somehow ok for Ardern to comment on internal US affairs? The hypocrisy is strong in this one!
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:26am
    - Nickc2
      
      Everything that’s currently wrong with this country can be sheeted back to Winston Peters.
      
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      June 26, 2022 12:11pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Yes. Peter has been active on Twitter of late, bemoaning the decisions of the Ardern government. He seems to have forgotten that he put Ardern and Labour there.
        
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        June 26, 2022 1:53pm
- NK
  
  David Seymour (first politician to call for vax mandates for children), “having the apparatus of the state chasing…women around trying to force them to take unwanted pregnancies to term is just really a counterproductive thing for a government to do”.
  
  Later on he was quoted as saying Act was the party of freedom.
  
  The party of freedom arguing for an experimental, unsafe and ineffective vaccine to be forced onto children.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:35am
  - David Garrett
    
    NK: So I take it you are no longer a member of “the Freedom Party”? Actually I think you have already said that here.
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:55am
    - Lenticular
      
      Are you? If so, why? They’re obviously enablers of the woke and taking up valuable Parliamentary space that could be used by a party that would actually oppose us turning into an degenerate leftist dystopia.
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:59pm
- Ra Henare
  
  AS usual the PM obviously has only read some media headlines and not the Supreme court decision itself. Yawn…The Supreme Court just ruled that abortion is not a constitutional right and is not federal law.
  The courts decision passed the abortion decision back to the States where it was before 1973.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:33am
  - mawm
    
    Ra – I doubt that Jacinda has read anything. She’s probably been told by her staff what to say to keep her middle-aged women voting pool happy.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why the hell is she always up set about other countries laws, who the hell does she think she is, abortion goes back to the states, what is the problem
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:19am
  - mawm
    
    Playing the Devil’s advocate I’d say that abortion is still freely available and that one just has to be able to afford to travel and stay in another state to get one – so those who can least afford a pregnancy probably cannot afford to travel. They could also have partners who refuse to use a condom which is what happens to the poorest of the poor in Africa.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:10pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Exactly for the same reason you are blogging about it.
    Deflection.
    Nothing more and Nothing Less.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who will confront Jaspinda on that?
  I know her answer: “I refude that”
  
  The right to abortion is still there, just not as a contraceptive.
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This is a reply to Maggy at 8.24.
    Seems to be in the wrong place.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:10am
NK

Lots of misinformation/disinformation being spread by the media and the left about the SCOTUS ruling on Roe v Wade.

It’s amazing how little they actually know about the US Constitution and the lawmaking system over there.
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June 26, 2022 8:24am
- CJames
  
  The Democrats are going to have a lot of trouble mobilising people with the slogan “a woman’s right to choose”. Remember they can’t define woman. Calling them birthing persons doesn’t have the same ring, je nest cest pas.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Switch it round: to choose being a woman is a right (Libtard-Democratic philosophy 101)
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:57am
  - curry4me
    
    Not so. Over the last couple of days, they’ve been using words like grandmother, mother etc. Birthing persons have been thrown under the bus. Black is white….. Oops, new circumstances. White is black… until further notice.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:55am
- Jack5
  
  The bias grows …
  
  The Herald uses the American abortion decision to slam NZ’s National Party and Luxon!
  
  The headline: “Kiwi political parties slam US Supreme Court Roe v Wade abortion rights decision – except National Party”.
  
  Being critical of National, the article is outside the Herald paywall:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiwi-political-parties-slam-us-supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-rights-decision-except-national-party/WGTEJP6UHTGF57MVWMZ3PRV6LM/
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Christopher Luxon put out a clear and unequivocal statement last night:
    
    Christopher Luxon
    @chrisluxonmp
    Roe v Wade is an issue for the American people who have a different set of constitutional arrangements than us. NZ’s abortion laws were voted on and ultimately settled in the last parliament. These laws will not be relitigated or revisited under a future National government.
    6:38 PM · Jun 25, 2022
    
    https://twitter.com/chrisluxonmp/status/1540585155756040192
    
    He’s right. This is strictly an issue for the US, and our politicians should butt out. He’s also made it clear that he will not impose his personal views on New Zealand, and regards the public debate on abortion to have been settled with the passage of legislation in 2020.
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:48am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I fully support this and glad Te Reo has affirmed this. Only a political moron wants to step into US domestic politics – perhaps our “Glorious Leader” is already thinking about her next role.
      
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      June 26, 2022 8:56am
    - kowtow
      
      it’s very very odd.
      
      The Media pardy go to very great lengths to delegitimise the views of certain politicians whom they view as conservative Christians . Think English and now in this context both Luxon and Simon O’Connor , who we’re told once studied for the Catholic priesthood , a tweet of his “concerned some social media users” ( what a terrible man) .
      
      Thanks for the detail.
      
      How is it that their personal life forming experieince is so “bad” , while politicians who are socialists , Marxists , racists , feminists, climate catastrophists etc life experiences that drive their ambitions to tell the rest of us how to live our lives seem to be off limits to criticism from the Media Pardy.
      
      I thought this was the era of ‘divisity and inclusiveness’ or are only the neo orthodox views of the “progressives” allowed in this new era .
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:36am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        There’s no diversity of views within the newsroom, my friend
        
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        June 26, 2022 10:19am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Weak and defensive. Here’s my alternative with two Tweets that Luxon could have written instead:
      
      Facing an increasingly poor economic future and looking at their failures on every issue they claimed to care about, from housing and poverty to healthcare and education, and with falling polls, a desperate Labour Party has tried to link National with an American legal decision which has no impact on this country.
      
      and…
      
      National MP’s voted for the 2020 abortion bill as did Labour MP’s, others against, just as did Labour MP’s like Nanaia Mahuta. As such the New Zealand Parliament has decided on this issue and National will not be re-visiting it. Labour’s gambit is a pathetic insult to Kiwi voters
      
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      June 26, 2022 2:28pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Surely, National could take the herald to court for slandering them?
    IMO, the MSM are deliberately misinterpreting the decision handed down by the SCOTUS whereby Abortion Law was not a decision for them to make/change as individual states were responsible for that.
    Of course, all the manufactured outrage in the US is an attempt by the Democrats to prevent a cleanout in the Midterm Elections.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:08am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You’ll be amazed to learn that over at The Daily Blog is an article by “Bomber” Bradbury that perfectly mimics the NZ Herald story.
    
    Or is it the other way around? 😉
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s a perfect issue for Labour to attack on – meaningless and without merit in NZ context, but triggers the emotional hackles of low-information swing voting women that have been deserting Labour over last few months.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They seem to think it can simply be changed like our laws
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:20am
- Paulus
  
  Dr Ardern the Wise knows Everything about Everything.
  Or somebody tells her on her chat sheets.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:40am
Jack5

Two worthwhile articles on the Productivity Commission.

Michael Reddell is worth reading on the decline of the commission as he comments on an article about it. A taste:

“… following on from the systematic degradation of the capability of the Reserve Bank, [Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister] Robertson now seems to have done it to the Productivity Commission as well. Both have the hallmarks of a man who openly says he went into politics to be not Roger Douglas, and who really cares barely at all for the longer-term capability of our economic agencies, let alone the longer-term performance of the New Zealand economy.”

The article Reddell is writing about is by Kate Macnamara. She describes a string of departures from the Productivity Commission “that have not yet been stemmed by an independent HR investigation and a slew of recommended remedies”.

Reddell on the the Productivity Commission:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/06/25/productivity-commission-the-immigration-inquiry-etc/

Kate Macnamara’s article on the commission, well tucked away behind the paywall at the Herald:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-look-of-exodus-departures-plague-productivity-commission/BFUMH7R4YLN647APWTLENF2BUU/
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June 26, 2022 8:26am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Putting Ganesh Nana in charge of the Productivity Commission showed the Govts intentions clearly.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not Douglas, but he wants to be like rotten Cullen, give me Douglas I think
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:22am
Cassandra

What the US Supreme Court does is not a matter for New Zealand. The ruling is not about abortion per se but about America’s constitution. The hysteria here about this topic is just that. But note that it’s the last thing the Republicans want – this will motivate the Democrats just when the Republicans thought they had the reins.
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June 26, 2022 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  The hysteria is also about the Media Pardy proving to itself , its paymasters and the idiot masses its position as the broadcast arm of the Red Guards in this neo Cultural Revolution.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:52am
- Frank the tank
  
  Dunno – people’s minds are made up about the issue already and with inflation running at 10% there are other things on the minds of everyday voters.
  
  It is unknown what the effect will be on voting intentions. That this will negatively impact the GOP is a dem running line at the moment – nothing else.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:53am
- Tom Hunter
  
  It’ll motivate the GOP voters as well, now that they see they’re not always betrayed by the Republicans they vote into power and that elections really do matter.
  
  Besides, the ruling was leaked over a month ago, obviously with the intention of achieving a double hit. First to perhaps “persuade” (intimidate) one or two justices to change their minds. Second, to rark up Democrat voters in the face of what looks to be a horror Mid-Term election for them.
  
  Both attempts have failed, with abortion still sitting far down voters priority list after all the activist and MSM screaming.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    It will be interesting to see how little attention is given by the Media Pardy to any investigation of the scotus leak , a clear and serious breach of judicial workings as opposed to the amount of time they give the circus that is the hearings into their “insurrection”.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:15am
NK

Jan Logie, “Aotearoa should be a place where everyone…Can choose what’s right for their body and their future”.
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June 26, 2022 8:30am
- crikey
  
  “Aotearoa should be a place where everyone…Can choose what’s right for their body and their future.”
  
  Also good for that mythical place, New Zealand, too.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:43am
- pdm
  
  Jan Logie the same applies for New Zealand too – only more so because New Zealand is the name of a country while Aotearoa is only a mythical place.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Aotearoa a mythincal place – nah – everybody loved its long workless and school less weekend.
    Hear that Maori, along with primary and kindy school children, thought it was great listening to wailing and great myths, which most had difficulty listening to. and seeing not a star cluster which has been there for many millions of years.
    This Maori PR exercise was hardly heard of and not seriously publicised until about 4 years ago.
    Now created mythically along with a Labour/Maori orientaded vote collecting PR exercise.
    Won’t work Cindy.
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Presumably her inbox is filling up as we speak. As it should.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Look, It’s our fault a recession is coming.

We partied too hard in 2020 and 2021…and some of us went and bought property…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129078998/a-recession-is-coming-you-can-bank-on-it

It is NOTHING to do with our Lousy Government.

Whew, you can rely on “Stuff” to keep us “well-informed”.
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June 26, 2022 8:33am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Eat the rich
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:37am
- Jack5
  
  (From the Stuff piece): this is for Grant Robertson’s tombstone:
  
  ““I stand by the statements I have made in this House, and we have had the OECD, the IMF, Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s, all of the international agencies, say that New Zealand’s economic recovery is, indeed, among one of the best in the world.”
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Stuff front page has this “Analysis”:
  
  We partied hard in 2020 and now we’re paying the price with the mother of all economic hangovers.”
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Blind Freddy could have foretold this.
    
    Looks like Malpass has finally had enough of the Koolaid and posturing for another job when Stuffed falls over in early 2024.
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:50am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Malpass is pilloried by the even-more-left churnalists, repeaters and paid government lick-spittles for being not quite left enough. He has written a few stories critical of Jacinda the Kind and St Ash of the pestilence before – long may they continue.
      
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      June 26, 2022 9:57am
  - Hebe123
    
    Yeah I remember that party. It was small – just my partner and I – and not a lot of fun. When we were told to stay home and not talk to our neighbours and fed propaganda 24/7 to fuel the fear and hysteria.
    
    I’ve been to better parties. I think the worst party I’ve been to was a lot better than 2020 thanks.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: But I got 14/15 on today’s quiz…
  
  But seriously, Stuff is getting worse and worse…its fawning coverage of the made-up festival that is Matariki was sick making.
  
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  June 26, 2022 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    Beat me DG I only got 11.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wordle is my daily challenge.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:20am
    - Colville
      
      Do you Quordle?
      
      I like them both.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I haven’t tried it…
        
        But I’ll probably give it a miss.., too many books still to read, too many weeds to pull out, too much dust a-gathering….
        
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        June 26, 2022 12:52pm
  - Richard
    
    I went to primary school in the mid 80’s and had a fabulous Maori headmaster. He was the man! We had a kapa haka group and visited rest homes and the like performing for the residents. He taught us Maori culture but it’s taken almost 40 years to learn that there’s a thing called ‘Maori New Year’. I must have missed the celebrations by Maori over the years when they marked this important date in their calendar. I’m not opposed to Matariki being celebrated now, but I don’t like the revisionism about Maori history. Apparantly they were astronomers, environmentalists and pacifists, according to Stuff at least. It’s undoing years of goodwill for me as they brown wash history.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:30am
- Philview
  
  I note that the Luke Malpass article had a handful of comments sticking up for the Government then closed. I left an early comment that didn’t get past the moderator.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    Doubt mine has either Phil – must have a look.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:25am
CJames

There is a god of poetic justice out there. Stanford University has had a three day power cut because they mainly run on solar power and their transmission line failed.
https://edsource.org/updates/stanford-university-struggles-with-power-outage
Don’t worry too much. They have partialbackup from diesel generators.
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June 26, 2022 8:37am
Tomtoddy

Wife cooked a magnifient pork belly last night complete with superb crackling. We savoured it because it may be one of the last we eat.

New welfare regulations coming in will decimate the few remaining pig farming operations. Most of our pork and bacon is coming in from Canada and Europe now and expect large increases in prices as the few remaining local farms go out of business.

Some regulations are necessary. Farmers are no different to any other group in the community – they will cut corners to save money. However the fines proposed and the tough rules make it impossible to avoid upgrading and that will be beyond the ability of most current operators.

Pig farming is hard and dirty work. I owned pigs at one time and while they can be great animals to work with they require huge amounts of time and effort. Most people simply wouldnt do it.

The welfare lobby is unreasonable and impossible to please. Their anthropomorphism is illogical – a subset of Darwinism. The majority of farmers treat animals well – their bank balance suffers if they dont. They dont need unreal, petty rules putting them out of business.

Less bacon, fewer pork bellies, no more ham sammies. Bugger.
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June 26, 2022 8:41am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s the preferred outcome, Tom. The activists aren’t really interested in making animal lives better. They want us to stop eating them, fullstop.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:13am
- Hebe123
  
  Well it’s pointless given we import pork from other countries with much worse standards. But if it has you cutting back on meat, we’ll it’s achieved it’s objective. Welcome to the brave new world where insects are the new pork. (I’ve not eaten meat in decades, I don’t like the taste/texture and I don’t like the mass farming approach. But what others do is up to them IMO. Just glad I don’t have to convert my tastes to insects!)
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:34am
ClanMcleod

Re the predictably struggling health system (nothing to do with covid), did anyone else get an email from NZ First to sign a poll to end the mandates on health workers and reinstate them immediately?

https://www.nzfirst.nz/removemandates?recruiter_id=3356978

I would suggest they make it clear that all such mandates are ended immediately, including the mask mandates, and a promise that they will actively oppose any such measure in the future. First party to do that will be guaranteed at least one of my votes.
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June 26, 2022 8:45am
- JimBobJoe
  
  NZ First harvesting email addresses for late party donation begging letters.
  
  NZ First created this government with their leaders ego and need for vengeance on Bill English his one and only driving force.
  
  Winston Peters should piss off and go fishing with his buddies from the fishing industry (or have they abandoned him now?)
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:30am
  - pdm
    
    Or he could go to the races an a synthetic track Jimbob.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:27am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I’ll pay that price if it means we (i.e. the government) _finally_ discover that masks aren’t (they never were) worth the effort. If this petition gets some MPs making a noise about it, wonderful.
    Government will frame it something like “masks have done their job”, but we’ve pretty much all worked out they do nothing by now.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:58am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The first casualty of removing mandates would be KB as lots of posters would suddenly not have anything to get outraged over on a daily basis.
  I am sure eventually all that frustration could be redirected to other old chestnuts like homosexuals or Maoris but it may take time for the more neurotic to move on.
  
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  June 26, 2022 9:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The first casualty of removing mandates would be a long overdue return to common sense and the removal of nonsensical rules that the creation of, seems to be all the libtards are any use at.
    The sooner the better.
    
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    June 26, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Mike
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:06pm
Frank the tank

What is it with our Glorious Leader and her fascination with US politics? Only an idiot would continually comment on the domestic politics of another sovereign state and even then not understand the basics of the decision more so democratic political lines.

If only she cared about this country as much and our collapsed health system, downtown centres that resemble Tombstone in 1865 and an economy in free fall.

Must be time for another episode in the Woke World Tour with her army of the feckless.
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June 26, 2022 8:47am
- Tom Hunter
  
  See my comment above but… Ardern and every Lefty know that the anti-American sentiment in this country now runs so wide and deep that even “right wingers” suffer from it and therefore it is an easy and cheap tactic to constantly try and link National (and ACT to a certain extent) to the dreaded American Right Wing of snake handlers and Revivalist tent preachers – no matter how false and even stupid that may be.
  
  It’s effective in that, at a minimum, it always puts National on the defensive, forced to plead and grovel about how they’re not at all like US Right wingers, or even the largely supine GOP. The No.1 example was the destruction of Todd Mueller based on his collection of 2016 US election trinkets – with the bright red MAGA hat as the foremost Symbol Of The Beast.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:09am
  - pdm
    
    Tom – my prediction is masks until the Government changes which hopefully is 2023.
    
    Jacinda and co like the control far, far, too much.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:28am
    - curry4me
      
      You’re right, masks are the only evidence Stalinda can see that her policies are working.
      
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      June 26, 2022 12:04pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Yep. Friends visiting both the UK and Australia have told me that they’re rather shocked at finding no masks anywhere – and it’s not exactly as if those nations are not still having C-19 cases and deaths.
      
      Aside from such government command and control is the more disturbing notion that my fellow Kiwis are doing this as an act of ongoing obedience – and puffing their chests up with pride at the idea.
      
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      June 26, 2022 12:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is making Americans know exactly who she is, so they lay out the red carpet on her next visit.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:08pm
- cmm
  
  She’s playing it up for #CinD4UN! so she feels the need to be seen on the international stage.
  
  She and her current boyfriend have absolutely no understanding of how to play as ambassadors.
  
  Stay out of another country’s politics. Focus on your own.
  
  As for the boyfriend – slagging off gifts given by foreign heads of state is not on. Take a leaf out of Merkel’s book: when Ardern handed her a made in China kiwi stuffed kiwi picked up at the airport gift shop she accepted it with grace and didn’t make a fuss on Twitter.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:22pm
Surely Knott

Hopefully PM Ardern will be making this Woman’s weekly cake for Trevor’s leaving party.

https://images.startsat60.com/wp-content/uploads/20180910160156/the-duck-cake.jpg?w=768
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June 26, 2022 8:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  I was thinking more along the lines of a big, shiny slide with a river of chocolate running down it.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Gravel: A river of ‘filthy’ chocolate?
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:16am
Monique Watson

There is no such thing as a pre-born child. I have my own version of spirituality but it stops short of hooking up myself as an incubator to another human being and lugging them around from the age of zero years until they cark it through stupidity or old age unless I make that decision through a series of events that brings about life. God save us from mentality ill religious zealots who would seek to enslave portions of humanity.
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June 26, 2022 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  Yer God save us indeed.
  
  But I don’t see that the religious right or whatever forest hob goblin you want to frighten us with is telling anyone what to do with their body bits .
  
  Those days died a long long time ago.
  
  But what I do see is an old political philosophy dressed up as care for a new god commanding us how to live our lives and that’s Marxism . Dressed up as green , feminist , trans, race etc
  
  It’s ironic , one of the last holdouts on the anti abortion front is Germany . And they wanted babies , not for Jesus but for the front .
  
  One of the biggest hurdles to obtaining an abortion in Germany was paragraph 219a of the criminal code, which has its origins in Nazi-era social policy. It stated that anyone who publicly “offers, announces [or] advertises” abortion services can face penalties of up to two years’ imprisonment or a fine.
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/germany-moves-to-reform-abortion-law/a-62014740
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:24am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Interesting link. Who’da thunk it.
    I won’t muddy up the pond any further. Had an interesting conversation with the ladies yesterday who believe it’s less of a virtuous drive to save babies and more of a desire to enslave poorer parts of society by limiting access to abortion services. Backed up by Jane Goodall’s research among Chimpanzees.
    True reckons.
    
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    June 26, 2022 1:00pm
- mandk
  
  I agree that there is no such thing as a pre-born child.
  
  The correct term is pre-delivered.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:56pm
[email protected]

The wife and I went shopping yesterday at a number of locations in Whangarei. Fewer people wearing masks and no-one seemed to give them a second glance. I have to confess that this 74 year-old is still too obedient to not wear a mask inside but happy to remove it immediately once outside.
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June 26, 2022 9:15am
- curry4me
  
  A few less mask wearers in Riccarton Mall too. None wee wearing exemption lanyards.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:07pm
  - Joely Doe
    
    No requirement or need to wear an ‘exemption lanyard’.
    Haven’t worn a mask in Chch for many months now.
    The science is clear. Masks don’t work.
    
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    June 26, 2022 4:38pm
    - curry4me
      
      Security guards in the main Christchurch library ask to see one’s exemption.
      
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      June 26, 2022 7:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just put it in your pocket and wait for the idiot:
  “You don’t have a mask” – and then tell them you do.
  Works for me. Wonder if it’s because of my ‘MAGA’ hat?
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:13pm
Opie

What goes through peoples minds when they are wearing a mask outside but not making their kids wear one? I refer to it as a failed iq test but am curious to how you take that position? 1 part fear 1 part dumb?

Is this child abuse by not protecting them from this terrifying cold?

Was heartening to see only about half the attendees at the napier aquarium wearing a mask yesterday.

Slowly, slowly it turns. By about November I reckon they will go to green because 90% will have ditched the mask.

I haven’t been asked to put one on yet. But I am 6’1 and kinda grumpy looking
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June 26, 2022 9:28am
- Bridgenag
  
  It was so easy to get an exemption by going to the site and requesting one. Two minutes. They must be going to drop it soon. Other half who occasionally watches Tv said Baker is putting his head up again telling everyone to wear their masks. What about Cindy O/S? Don’t see her leading the team of 5mill by example.
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If she can go to New York, San Francisco, New York, then home, and not wear a mask at meetings or in public, the I don’t have to wear one in public.
    Goose, Gander, and all that shit
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:23pm
Tomtoddy

Hypocrisy abounds around the Fuller’s ferry price increases. Green tinged, climatistas like Cr Darby complaining about fare increases while out the otherside of his mouth he wants expensive electric ferries and fuel prices to increase to save the planet.

The answer he claims is for AT to take over all ferry operations and demand past profits be forcibly taken back from the private owners.

Spare me. Do these people have even half a brain and an ounce of conscience?
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June 26, 2022 9:32am
- rjay
  
  $400 seems reasonable for a months worth of commuting. Would cost about the same to drive from Takanini to the CBD and back every day.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Isn’t that how Socialism works? Govt takes over owning and operating everything, and you will be happy?
  I just don’t know, just a dopey Kiwi.
  All heil Doctor Jaspinda!
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I don’t use my cell phone much…only when travelling overseas or when I have guests staying.

Some years back one of my daughters had given me her old samsung S5 and that seemed to work ok, although as my last few trips O/s had been in the company of my kids, I’d pretty much relied on them to do bookings etc on their devices.

But now I discover that to leave NZ and enter anywhere I need to have vax certificates, travel declarations, QR codes etc stored on my phone… (as well as paper copies)….

So… All day yesterday was spent coming to grips with a new Samsung phone (lower-end of the market), and trying to copy over all my travel documents from my Mac laptop.

Thank goodness things seem to be idiot-proof, as I think I’ve accomplished the task.

But how do folks without access to printers and familiarity with cell phones cope?
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June 26, 2022 9:42am
- PeeJay
  
  bigger question should be, in light of how ineffective the vaccines have proven to be, why should you have to do any of that?
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  I will be returning to NZ in September. Haven’t given a thought to ‘documents’. Was just planning on showing up with my New Zealand passport.
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Good luck with that. Currently, if you don’t have the right forms, the airline won’t let you on the plane.
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:37am
    - rouppe
      
      Errr thought that was getting the arse card in july
      
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      June 26, 2022 2:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is all you should need, but you will be told otherwise on arrival.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You need a Traveller Declaration/ traveller Pass QR code at check-in for any flights to NZ
    
    https://www.travellerdeclaration.govt.nz/
    
    Can be uploaded etc 28 days before you arrive.
    
    Fortunately the web-site is user friendly.
    
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    June 26, 2022 1:01pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Glad it worked for you, Maggy. I’m on my third attempt. Website has locked twice so far. And it’s not user friendly, in my view. Observations: –
      
      – The declaration gets me to enter three pages of detailed information before informing you that your trip should be in the next 28 days. This question should be on page 1
      
      – The Captcha “Are you a robot” crashed twice
      
      – My flight was “not found” despite EK0448 having daily arrivals in AKL
      
      – Some fields auto-advance when full, while others require a tab or mouse click.
      
      B-grade application design.
      
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      June 26, 2022 5:52pm
- mogg
  
  I was the same as you only using my wife’s cast off phones for calls. I finally gave in and bought the iPhone, they are an amazing piece of kit and make life so much easier, to the point where I wouldn’t be without it. Change of plans no problems, alter hotel bookings on the train travelling into London late at night, credit card details quite secure.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michele Obama waffling on about young women now have to carry a baby full term because they can’t have an abortion and finish their college and Uni education.
There is this thing called a birth control pill, also a 3 monthly injection, or an IUD.
Why should Michele even be worried? She is actually a bloke you know.
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June 26, 2022 9:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Or maybe, just maybe, not have sex?
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not have sex? There are enough wankers already!
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:30pm
- Gravelroad
  
  And/or the morning after pill.
  Is that still popular amongst the teenagers?
  
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  June 26, 2022 10:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I guess it is. Dunno about who can and who can not take it legally
    
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    June 26, 2022 10:45am
PeeJay

I’m just back in Christchurch from a week’s skiing in Queenstown. Really interesting to me was the massive non-compliance re mask use.

Pretty much everywhere I went, hardly anyone was wearing masks indoors – this ranged from coffee spots, retail, restaurants and even chemists. Even those establishments that had mask notes up, nobody seemed to be complying and nobody was complaining. Even staff were clearly doing a token gesture, and lots of establishments the staff weren’t even wearing them.

Up on the ski fields, other than staff (and not all staff either), I can’t remember seeing anyone wearing masks at Coronet or Remarkables. Even at the very woke Cardrona (great skiing, very PC these days) where I thought it would be enforced more rigidly, masks weren’t being worn with staff barely complying and virtually zero visitors masked up.

Have to say that initially the lack of masks felt strange – still a lot of compliance in Christchurch so was definitely a bit of a culture shock, but it was so good to see something like normality return. Long may it continue!
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June 26, 2022 10:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Agree compliance in Chistchurch and Wellington is high. I’m totally over it.
  
  On a related issue, the government has in place an army of public servants to renew vaccine passes. I wonder how many people have applied for a new vaccine pass?
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wellywood is full of the sniveling mask lawmakers.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:32pm
- Rodion Raskolnikov
  
  Be the change. Be an example. Just as a type of behavioural contagion was the principal reason why people wore masks in the first place, seeing people without them will also be a contagion. Only a small, neurotic minority truly willingly wear them, everyone else has either refused outright or has been trying to not stand out from the masses of masked-up automata.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

WHAT SHE SAID….

https://twitter.com/MonicaLewinsky/status/1540348344735633410
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June 26, 2022 10:20am
- JimBobJoe
  
  She has form for sucking up to power… Now she wants to screw half of scotus…. Frisky filly
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:03am
  - David Garrett
    
    JimBob: I feel incredibly sorry for Monica Lewinsky…her whole life forever defined by something she did when a teenager…she must know that every single person she ever meets imagines her on her “presidential knee pads”…or worse.
    
    Great shame she feels the need to add her pronouns though…
    
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    June 26, 2022 11:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Should just go to a high end escort outfit. Do the job she is good at.
      
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      June 26, 2022 12:55pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Steve O: you just perfectly illustrated what my comment says.
        
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        June 26, 2022 2:01pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Once a sucker, always a sucker eh?
        
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        June 26, 2022 2:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        DG, she gave her kneepads to Kamala cos her ones worn out?
        
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        June 26, 2022 5:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I see in the comments the hoes are angry.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:35pm
Benedict Yu

Looks like Jacinda is on her way to Spain for the NATO meeting. Incredibly she has taken the sole operational RNZAF 757. (The other one has not flown since February.)

It has made fuel stops in rarotonga, Honolulu, and Santiago so far. It will need to make a 4th refuelling stop somewhere on the eastern seaboard of the USA or Canada before reaching Spain.

Her carbon footprint must be off the charts.

Check out playback of aircraft NZ7571 from Honolulu to San Diego on Flightradar24. https://fr24.com/data/aircraft/nz7571#2c6256cc
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June 26, 2022 10:24am
- kevn
  
  @BY… Must make one feel important.
  I wonder how many media are tagging along?
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:25am
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest there’s an awful lot more people than the PM and some reporters.
    
    In the good old days PMs and other high ranking cabinet ministers used to travel by ship. They’d be out of the country for months at a time, and that’s just the getting there.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:57pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      A month to the UK, a month on business and a month back.
      
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      June 26, 2022 1:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s an odd route. I thought that the point of the 757 was that it had a decent range.
  
  With the recent downturn in air travel, I would have thought it was a good time to upgrade to something a bit more reliable.
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sorry she stopped in San Diego, California NOT Santiago.
    
    Madrid is literally the opposite end of the world to Auckland. 20,000 km. The 757 has a range of 7,000 km.
    
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    June 26, 2022 2:36pm
- kowtow
  
  Labour , who love to hate all things military , unless it can be turned into a personalised taxi service.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did the 757 break down at Honolulu, so she could go for a quick walk along Waikiki Beach?
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:37pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Santiago??? That is in Chile in the S Hemisphere. Totally wrong direction.
  
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  June 26, 2022 1:19pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I think he meant San Diego.
    
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    June 26, 2022 2:33pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Apologies – I ‘mis-wrote’ 🙁 – San Diego – California.
    
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    June 26, 2022 7:19pm
- rouppe
  
  Why on earth would you go to Spain via Santiago?
  
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  June 26, 2022 2:39pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I meant San Diego.
    
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    June 26, 2022 7:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Footprint is ‘Classified Information’
  
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  June 26, 2022 5:33pm
- Scooter
  
  Wot an awful root.
  
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  June 27, 2022 3:44am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Listening to RNZ The Detail this morning about Rotorua & its emergency housing problem, what was completely missing was any question of the ethnicity of the guests. I’m willing to bet the traditional servo pie that the vast majority of them are Maori. Why are iwi not involved in the solution? For example, if a single mother is part of Arawa, why are Arawa not providing she & her children with accommodation? They are, after all, the future of the iwi.
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June 26, 2022 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not enough koha yet, Govt will see them right.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

25 seconds of Roe v Wade.
https://rumble.com/v19qqgr-roe-v-wade-overturned.html
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June 26, 2022 10:39am
iMP

The best word on Roe v Wade is comedian LOUIS CK. Genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBbC2krBopw
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June 26, 2022 10:51am
- David Garrett
  
  I’m sorry, but if you think that’s funny ….I don’t know quite what to add.
  
  To decide whether or not to have an abortion should be among the most serious decisions of a woman’s life. It is certainly not “like taking a shit” as this guy says.
  
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  June 26, 2022 11:22am
  - Rodion Raskolnikov
    
    “To decide whether or not to have an abortion should be among the most serious decisions of a woman’s life. It is certainly not “like taking a shit” as this guy says.”
    
    Which raises the question, why is it such a serious question? It’s a serious question because abortion is taking another person’s life. If this wasn’t the case, then it wouldn’t be a serious question. The argument for abortions is that the procedure is no more the removal of a life than taking a dump is, or the removal of a cyst: just a clump of cells. Of course, this is ridiculous nonsense, but that is the basic rationale.
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:30pm
  - rjay
    
    he makes some good points after that bit. Either it is like taking a shit or killing a baby. If it is killing a baby it should not be legal. If it is like taking a shit then why are folk wound up about people taking their own lives?
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The first 1.50 was enough. ‘It got killed real quick’
    
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    June 26, 2022 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

A woman’s right to choose?

Personally, I’ve always worn brightly colored undergarments when playing tennis. As do all my friends. You notice most of the older women seem ambivalent and prefer to stick with tradition.

https://twitter.com/WomensSport/status/1540646543094697984
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June 26, 2022 10:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some run marathons with intentionally nothing, just to make a visual statement.
  IMO I think they are not right in the head.
  
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  June 26, 2022 12:49pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZ95V9Efro

Leftists slightly miffed about Roe v Wade reversal.
One or two leftists are slightly miffed at the SCOTUS decision to reverse Roe v Wade. Some may even leave their red state, and move to a blue one. What a shame that’d be // [11:44]
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June 26, 2022 11:36am
- Nickc2
  
  In the US, Leftists (Democrats) are Blue, Republicans (the good guys) are Red.
  
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  June 26, 2022 2:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Does anyone know what the trigger was for the SCOTUS to review the Reo vs Wade case? Every time I attempt to find it on the internet, I’m presented with the history of the case, not its reversal.
  
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  June 26, 2022 2:14pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Dobbs Vs Jackson Womens Health Organisation
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
    
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    June 26, 2022 3:17pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oTH8Cf4Ioo
Germany says enough is enough!

Nordstream 1 is at low capacity and needs to be closed for maintainence. Nordstream 2 will need to be connected if that happens. So Germany is about to break out the white flag. France doesn’t have to. They have nuclear power. [4:42]
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June 26, 2022 11:36am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Christchurch Police add a little more chlorine to Kaiapoi gene-pool…..

https://police.govt.nz/news/release/man-injured-after-police-shooting-kaiapoi

ZB reports: crim taken to hospital in ‘critical condition’
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June 26, 2022 11:55am
coge

Luxon finally takes a position. To publicly admonish Simon O’Connor. ‘Bless’
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June 26, 2022 11:59am
Swifty

Ian Paisley offers his views on the Roman Catholic Church, 1966:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zlwLyZwnBg
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June 26, 2022 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Meth head for sure.
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June 26, 2022 12:51pm
NK

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/roe-v-wade-abortion-ruling-national-mp-simon-oconnor-told-to-remove-post/SKTOYRXALSKIV74XJUDV373L3Q/

This follows the same line as Hirete Hipango when she took a selfie with protestors in Wanganui.

There’s no freedom of opinions within the National Party. It sickens me to my core.
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June 26, 2022 12:58pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  If you must mention that frightful creature’s name, then I will mention that she gate crashed the ACT NZ wide “Stop 3 waters” public meeting in Wanganui.
  Act members on the stage spoke then 3 local councillors and a member of the public….No Mayor and we all know why as he has been supporting 3 waters at the local government meetings.
  Then as the meeting was being closed one of her acolytes called out here is another speaker and that creature ponced up on to the stage and after adulating about herself, then did a promo for National, saying national would reverse 3 waters.
  That creature has no shame….
  
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  June 26, 2022 1:49pm
  - MCōs
    
    How can a member of the public gate crash a public meeting?
    
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    June 26, 2022 6:52pm
    - graham
      
      By walking up on stage uninvited
      
      You’re welcome.
      
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      June 26, 2022 7:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is it with chaps randomly stabbing others?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/25/3-wounded-in-separate-auckland-cbd-stabbings/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/469799/a-traumatic-senseless-act-fatal-christchurch-stabbing-was-a-random-attack
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June 26, 2022 1:10pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: I believe it will prove to be a certain white crystaline drug, using consumed by smoking it…
  
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  June 26, 2022 1:40pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Fuck: “…USUALLY consumed by smoking it..”
    
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    June 26, 2022 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s why we must strenuously oppose Three-Waters-Reform 🙁

‘At least 4 billion “useless-eaters” will be eliminated by the year 2050 by means of limited wars, organised epidemics of fatal rapid-acting diseases, and starvation.
Energy, food and water shall be kept at subsistence levels for the non-elite, starting with the White populations of Western Europe and then spreading to other races….”

– Dr John Coleman: The story of The-Committee-of-300. (Published May 2016)
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June 26, 2022 1:11pm
NoFax

It appears Christopher Luxon has admonished Simon O’Conner for supporting the US Supreme Court decision. Luxon states that it’s National Party policy to support the current laws and have no debate about them.

I can no longer support National and I suspect a few others will be the same and maybe even Mr. O’Connor. Although he knows he would lose his seat if he went independent or joined another party.
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June 26, 2022 1:22pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  National MP’s sign a code of conduct not to post stuff on social media that may bring the party into disrepute. Simon O’Çonnor is perfectly entitled to hold personal beliefs, but he should have made it clear that’s what it was, and not left it open to inference that National would use the overturning of RvW to relitigate New Zealand’s abortion laws. The team is always more important than any individual MP.
  
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  June 26, 2022 1:59pm
  - NK
    
    What a cop out. O’Connor was expressing his opinion. The major problem with politics in this country right now is just that: There’s no debate. No expressing of opinions, and following on, opposition MPs are not prepared to take a stand and argue their corner. The very nature of our democracy requires it, you could say it is compulsory, mandatory (i.e. a mandate I do support). The weakening of human spirit, energy, passion and principle is to weaken our values, if there are any left. National Party apparatchiks like you are the problem. I encounter them regularly. Too scared to be polarising. Too frightened to have a view outside the “mainstream” for fear of offending someone. Most of these sorts of people lie deep within the National Party, and they are the root of the opposition dysfunction we experience in politics in this country. I’m really angry right now witnessing this placid decline into oblivion led by the very people I expected to take a stance. I’m going to send a private message to Simon O’Connor congratulating him on expressing his view – not on his view because I disagree with it, simply that I applaud he had one and put it out there.
    
    We saw this also with Harete Hipango and then with the Wellington protest – opposition politicians taking photos and putting them on social media with smart alec comments, when the very people who wanted to be heard were ignored by piss-weak sycophants.
    
    Before I end this rant, a plea to the National Party weaklings that exhibit this blog: Wake up and stop being part of the problem.
    
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    June 26, 2022 2:13pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    He nominates Barack Obama as his favourite political leader….
    
    Heh, heh, heh…. More toadying. No shout outs to Reagan or even Bill Clinton, who is now cursed by his own side for being a “moderate”.
    
    It would have been fun – and still could be – if the journalist had asked exactly why Obama is Luxon’s favourite political leader. What aspects of Obama and his Presidency does Luxon respect and wish to emulate? Curious minds would like to know.
    
    Of course, putting my cynical hat back on, the claim is empty and meaningless, designed purely as a soundbite that sweating Centre-Left voters can reassure themselves with as they desperately tick the National box in 2023 (“He said he really likes Obama”).
    
    Of course it’s possible that such voters – and certainly their more politically attuned and informed comrades – will be aware of US Leftist Matt Taibbi’s take on Obama in the wake of his 60th birthday “Fuck it” bash amidst Covid clampdowns…
    
    On the road from stirring symbol of hope and change to the Fat Elvis of neoliberalism, birthday-partying Barack Obama sold us out
    
    We’ve reached a sad state when cynicism is our best hope.
    
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    June 26, 2022 2:49pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “National MP’s sign a code of conduct not to post stuff on social media that may bring the party into disrepute”
    
    Why is this demanded? Whose definition of ‘disrepute’ described and agreed up front?
    
    Whereas contractually demanded uniformity of thought and action is the purview of tyrants, diversity of opinion is a strength.
    
    Perhaps it’s time for the National rule-book dinosaurs to wake up.
    
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    June 26, 2022 7:04pm
- MCōs
  
  “it’s National Party policy to support the current laws”
  Of course it is.
  Such laws as this are conscience issues and even if Luxon as PM wanted a change he wouldn’t have the numbers.
  
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  June 26, 2022 6:40pm
  - NoFax
    
    First there is nothing about being pro-life that can bring the party into disrepute.
    
    Second, the position of the National Party has shifted – it was a conscience vote and, therefore, MPs could argue anyway they wanted. Now it appears that Luxon would whip the MPs to vote along certain lines. This is a major difference. If that is the case then I cannot vote for National anymore.
    
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    June 26, 2022 8:10pm
NZer In Exile

Aus lefty journo sees the light on the road to economic suicide.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/make-no-mistake-energy-transition-will-be-difficult-and-costly-20220607-p5arok.html

Never really liked this guy’s journalism (always appeared to me to be sticking his personal oar in with a lefty-drivel angle). However, he seems to have had a road to Damascus revelation on the “renewables” delusional energy “transition”.
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- NZer In Exile
  
  Oh and if you are reading the comments on this article, keep in mind that the SMH is a premier paper for inner city green/left posers.
  
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  June 26, 2022 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

NEW ZEALAND represented at CHOGM 😀

Honestly, you’d think if our Foreign-Minister was going to wear an Onion Sack on stage….. she might have at least IRONED the bloody thing?

https://twitter.com/mr_007jamesbond/status/1540590307959484422

How embarrassing is that!!
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June 26, 2022 1:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does any female in the Labour Party have a dress suit? You are supposed to be professionals FFS
  
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  June 26, 2022 1:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought the sloppy textured linen look was in this season….
  
  The only time when you should be wary of wearing wrinkled linen clothing is when you find yourself in formal occasions. These types of occasions call for a more business, dapper and dressy look.
  
  But even in these situations, you can get through with a couple of wrinkles here and there. Just make sure that nothing is obvious.
  
  https://www.magicofclothes.com/wrinkled-linen/
  
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  June 26, 2022 2:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was wondering if she may even be game enough to go ‘Clamando’?
    
    😛
    
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    June 26, 2022 3:43pm
103PapPap

Interesting in Sunday Star Times – Andrea Vance comments on how Health people are calling ‘Angry Andy’ – Dr Do-Little.
Also, asks why Health is spending millions restructuring when there is an obvious shortage of money and people.
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June 26, 2022 1:43pm
- kevn
  
  @103… littles new ‘health’ (not) dream begins 1st July. Stand by to pick up the pieces.
  We all just KNOW it will be a gigantic balls up.
  
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  June 26, 2022 4:27pm
- peterwn
  
  If all else fails through incompetence, rearrange the deckchairs.
  
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  June 26, 2022 7:32pm
Maggie Pie

A friend tweets….

“What is the Maori word for abortion?”
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June 26, 2022 3:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  materoto.
  
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  June 26, 2022 6:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  materoto (also used for miscarriage)
  tahe
  whakatahe
  
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  June 26, 2022 6:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    God only knows where my partner came up with ‘Kotanga’.
    
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    June 26, 2022 7:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Appears Abortion may be a colonial import to our Fair shores…
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7019788/
      
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      June 26, 2022 7:50pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I reckon your partner would be a wonderful gentleman to get on the piss with.
      He has an earthy, but delightful, sense of humour.
      
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      June 26, 2022 10:11pm
- greybeard
  
  Warriors.
  
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  June 26, 2022 6:51pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

“Ghislaine Maxwell placed on suicide watch just days before her sentencing”

– FOX

Remember they did the same thing with her boyfriend 🙁
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June 26, 2022 4:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is not alive.
  Photos or it is not true. Best ask the Media, they will know the truth.
  
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  June 26, 2022 5:51pm
- [email protected]
  
  She may have learned from the death of her boyfriend and kept a few copies of her secret logs where they can be found in the event of her accidental death. The fact she’s still alive suggests that this may be true.
  
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  June 26, 2022 5:54pm
  - Inandout
    
    info, if I were in Ghislaine’s shoes I would have copies and videos ready to be left with an attorney, Fox, Gravitas and perhaps Rumble. As an extra precaution I would have an enemy of the US receive a copy; one presumes the Cuban leader hasn’t visited Love Island at any time.
    
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    June 26, 2022 6:44pm
Inandout

Why is Chippie Hipkins having doubts about the Auckland lockdown and other things his govt has signed off? Is Jacinda ready to be moved along? Sigh, days of our lives.
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June 26, 2022 4:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Spelling.
  Sigh, the daze of our lives.
  Good fix I did…..
  
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  June 26, 2022 5:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Call me a conspiracy theorist, and I know this sounds f***ing crazy….but I’m starting to think Labor politicians make fake promises just to get elected!
  
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  June 26, 2022 5:56pm
  - kevn
    
    @Maggie…Ask angry do little. Expert liar.
    Ask any nurse.
    
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    June 26, 2022 6:17pm
  - kevn
    
    and arden is keen to wag her finger at Putin… Scary.
    
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    June 26, 2022 7:01pm
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