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Yvette

Sharma shambles …
Newshub reveals the Ombudsman – who oversees compliance of the Act – has issued a “please explain” to the Prime Minister.

In a statement, Chief Ombudsman Peter Boshier said: “I am aware of the allegations made by Dr Sharma about the workshop advice and training given to Labour MPs on the Official Information Act.

But the related Newshub headline – “Ombudsman writes to Jacinda Ardern after Gaurav Sharma’s claims, secretly taped MP says minister dismissed issue of wellbeing” – is wrong and should read “tranparency“.

“Wellbeing” in this case surely falls under the provisions of The Protected Disclosures (Protection of Whistleblowers) Act 2022?

And if so, is the media use of the term “rogue” MP perhaps derogatory, and the term “whistle-blower” more appropriate, as well as a few rights that the Protected Disclosures Act should afford?

Ombudsman Welcomes Passage Of Protected Disclosures Bill
… “New Zealand was one of the first countries in the world to introduce legislation that protects people who report concerns of serious wrongdoing in their workplace. But it was apparent that the original law wasn’t working as well as it should for either employees or organisations.
“I am pleased that Parliament has taken action because the law was definitely in need of an update.”
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2205/S00077/ombudsman-welcomes-passage-of-protected-disclosures-bill.htm

So, secret meetings, inference of mental unwellbeing, isolation and derogatory media coverage and up-coming predicted expulsion.
“… the law was definitely in need of an update”
– apparently it still is …
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August 20, 2022 8:03am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yes but the intent of the Act would hardly to have been used against the Labour Party!
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:31am
  - Yvette
    
    No, perhaps the intent of the Act is not “against the Labour party”, but in respect to the attitude concerning Dr Sharma
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:34am
- Rodney Hide
  
  I hope Kiwibloggers don’t mind me jumping up in the comments but I have a suggestion.
  
  National and Act should gift questions and supplementaries each day to Dr Sharma. He would no doubt have some great questions for the PM and we should not have to wait for a blue moon for the allocation of one question for a lone MP to come around.
  
  That would make Question Time a hit!
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:30pm
  - AitchW
    
    A truly inspired idea. Sadly Mallard would find a way to defend the PM.
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:52pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Fuck Mallard, bring it on!!!
      
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      August 20, 2022 7:52pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      But he won’t be there in a couple of weeks.
      
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      August 20, 2022 9:27pm
  - curry4me
    
    Gifting some questions to Dr Sharma would be a great idea. Even more schadenfreude would be forthcoming. I’m sure the team of $55 million would be avidly interested. //
    
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    August 20, 2022 3:09pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Rodney bro – Jacinda Ardern swats Te Reo Luxon like a fly. She will clean up Dr Sharma who is a mild mannered gentleman so easily.
    
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    August 20, 2022 3:32pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Please keep jumping in Rodney. I am always pleased to read your comments.
    
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    August 20, 2022 4:40pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sorry Spindy, but Sanna Marin has you knocked into a cocked hat.
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August 20, 2022 8:03am
- Colville
  
  “Never in my life, not even in my youth, have I ever used any drugs,” she said Friday.
  
  I would bet Jacinda wouldn’t be willing to make the same statement.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:17am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It would be a lie but that wouldn’t stop her.
    
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    August 20, 2022 8:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She has already stated she has used several drugs
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      So she could claim to be high throughout the Dr. Sharma fiasco?
      That may account for her lies, obstinance, and denials eh?
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:19am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, there was a video doing the rounds a while back showing her off her face smoking meth.
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Was it strong enough to induce a hallucination that wine is the blood of a god? That would be concerning.
        
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        August 20, 2022 11:18am
      - Bernard Black
        
        I saw that video
        If it wasn’t for real then it was certainly a very very clever fake
        
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        August 20, 2022 11:53am
      - RichardX
        
        Are claims that the Prime Minister was “off her face smoking meth.” acceptable now?
        
        It looks like Don is a repeat offender when making claims about the PM.
        
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        August 20, 2022 1:39pm
  - Grizz
    
    The question is not if she has ever used drugs, it should be if she is currently or still using drugs.
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:36pm
- Philview
  
  They are both alumni of the WEF young leaders programme so probably have a similar ingrained ideology.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:18am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I made submissions on the original PDA and the amended Act. Alas the original and amended dont protect Whistleblowers which is why we have so few. In fact there was never a case taken under the original Act in over 20 years.
  The international Business Ethics Institute has done a number of studies with Vic Uni. The results have not been good. Over 50% say if they saw bad behaviour they wouldnt report it for fear of the consequences ( Dr Sharma). Over 20% had witnessed bad behaviour in their workplace in the past 12 months. This is all bad behaviour theft bribery bullying sexual harrasment etc.
  The fact is as the Sharma case shows NZ is a very immature society when it comes to ethics.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I would say in contrast that NZ is very similar to similar societies (OECD, etc) in its protection of those in power at the expense of the less powerful.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Huh
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:46am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Porirua CC has changed the name of Calliope Park; it was named after the ship that held Te Rauparaha captive.

This is the same Te Rauparaha who committed genocide of the Moriori on the Chatham Is.

Personally, I find the naming of the Porirua Arena & Pool after that old mass murderer to be much more offensive.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/129623508/culturallyoffensive-porirua-park-gets-iwigifted-name-change
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August 20, 2022 8:04am
- mandk
  
  It is also the same Te Rauparaha who pillaged the lands of other tribes and enslaved many of their people.
  
  Still, it’s different when Maori do it.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  He did plenty of war mongering up and down the SI too .
  Essentially emptied it, while filling his belly , just before the arrival of Evil Whitey.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:38am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Could you please let me know when Te Rauparaha travelled to to Rēkohu for that genocide?
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rekohu must be that R. T. Rower place.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The Moriori name for the islands that many now know as the Chathams.
      Any other gaps in your knowledge i could help you with this morning, Steve?
      
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      August 20, 2022 9:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Any other gaps in your knowledge.
        
        Why be snarky with other commenters?
        
        Why not take the opportunity to refer folks to some books or websites that will put them right.
        
        I’d suggest these sites as quick starters:
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/moriori/page-4
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C4%81ti_Mutunga
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t74/te-rauparaha#:~:text=Te%20Rauparaha%20was%20a%20great,to%20Te%20Rauparaha's%20military%20genius.
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Why be snarky with other commenters?”
        
        I think that is a rhetorical question. 😂
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You have no idea as to when you are being trolled Mike.
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        Steve – I have no idea why Maggy didn’t take the opportunity to correct NeverMindTheBollocks’s nonsense about Te Rauparaha. I have noticed, though, that she like to nitpick or dispute facts only with people she doesn’t consider to be on her side.
        Don’t be like Maggy, Steve – keep an open mind.
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:58am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MMA
        
        I have no idea why Maggy didn’t take the opportunity to correct NeverMindTheBollocks’s nonsense about Te Rauparaha.
        
        at 10:02 you will see I posted 3 links that would clearly show Te Rauparaha was never on the Chathams.
        
        But remember, you’re the Historian with a big interest in NZ history… it would have been easy for you to have shed a little light on the topic.
        
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        August 20, 2022 11:40am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Maybe he called in during his voyage to discover Antarctica \\
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:39pm
  - Soffet
    
    He really didn’t like Ngai Tahu folk at Kaikoura. http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document/?wid=5480&page=0&action=null
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:59am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Oops! I meant the Kaiapoi pa massacre of 1831. My bad – good catch, Mikey.
    
    But – the main point stands – Te Rauparaha was still a blood thirsty cannibal and enslaver. We should not be naming public infrastructure after him.
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:05am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And in 50 years the latest “woke” liberals will rename it all again and pull down all the Maori statues and street names. Bloody tiresome, but I guess that’s life!
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As long as they leave “Pania of the Reef”
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:24pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Should we rename all places and public infrastructure that commemorates ‘baddies’?
      You seem to think there can only be one view of historical figures.
      eg: Te Rauparaha – honoured ancestor who led his people from defeat in Taranaki to the conquest of Te Whanganui o Tara, or bloodthirsty cannibal, genocidaire and cannibal?
      Winston Churchill – revered symbol of British resistance to fascism, or war criminal and architect to deliberate famine?
      History is difficult.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:05am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        milkey – one of the rare times we might agree on something. This is entirely my point, generally “history is written by the victors”. Churchill was in general a very poor military man as is well documented, the bombing of Dresden and Gallipoli the standouts. But that wasn’t why they raised a statue of him or he is revered in some circles. It was because of his leadership in a very dark period for Britain. So be it.
        
        What grinds my gears is the constant attempt to rewrite history and in particular, to try and destroy any reference to it. It’s 1984 stuff.
        Leave the statues up. Educate people about the actual backstory. All aspects of it. Let people make their own mind up about the merits of the person and their contributions to where we are today.
        
        The current drive to push everything Maori is going to backfire, just like the coercive and manipulative covid campaign. Keep educating, honestly and openly. Show all sides of the narrative. There never was and never can be a “single source of truth.”
        
        Mandela, Mother Theresa, Gandhi, there are many examples of venerated historical figures who had a dark side to them.
        
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        August 20, 2022 11:31am
      - Than
        
        The problem mikenmildagain is the very blatant moral double-standard.
        
        Anybody of European descent are judged against modern morality, and the slightest transgression seems to demand their name be expunged from history. But other ethnic groups, their history and actions are never questioned or even examined. They are simply deemed to be faultless, or at worst “a product of their time” and the acts not subject to judgement.
        
        Now as it happens I’m firmly in favour of the later approach. None of us are faultless, and almost every historical figure has some skeletons in their closest. Plus of course whether somebody is a hero or a villian frequently depends on which side of a conflict you agree with. So in general I support taking a forgiving view of historical figures (within limits of course – I wouldn’t support having a Hitler St or Pol Pot Ln).
        
        But the issue is consistency – pick a moral standard and apply it evenly. Right now that is absolutely not the case, as in this example here.
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:09pm
      - RockyJ
        
        Hi Milky. In a situation like this I think of the first sentence by Mark Twain in his best (in my opinion) book The Personal Recollections of Jean of Arc.
        Twain wrote “in order to make a fair estimate of the character of a man of renown we must judge him by the standards of his day, not ours”
        Based on this criterion by European standards of the time Te Rapauraha was a vicious evil cannibal. I would also say by the standards of a lot of Maori of his day as well.
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:18pm
      - Dave
        
        ClanMcleod, Churchill had plenty of bad military ideas, but were Dresden and Gallipoli such standouts?
        
        By British bombing standards of WW2, Dresden was a legitimate target; it was the principal point of debouchment for German troops on the Eastern Front, the last intact north-south rail line in Germany passed through it, and produced optical and electronic equipment for the military.My criticism of Churchill is that he found it politically convenient to throw Bomber Harris under the bus for the raid after supporting the same tactics against other cities for years.
        
        On Gallipoli, here is Britannica.com:
        
        The plan failed to produce decisive results because of poor military leadership in some cases, faulty tactics including complete lack of surprise, the inexperience of the troops, inadequate equipment, and an acute shortage of shells.
        
        To what extent is WC responsible, to what extent the military? I don’t know.
        
        I would rate his decision to aid Greece in 1941 as a worse decision as it condemned Britain to a two-year struggle to secure the Mediterranean and North Africa when residual Italian forces in North Africa could probably have been quickly defeated.
        
        On the other hand, North Africa was a distraction for Germany from the Russian front when Barbarossa needed every resource possible, including an aggressive general such as Rommel. Also, both the British and American armies learned to fight there.
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:49pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘I would also say by the standards of a lot of Maori of his day as well.’
        
        And hopefully a lot of them gave him indigestion.
        
        As to the Bengal famine .
        
        We’ve been over this so many times on kb.
        
        The famine was caused by many and complex issues during a time of war.
        
        But the anti mob jst go “Churchill evil”.
        
        More ballacks.
        
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        August 20, 2022 1:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maybe ‘mikenmildagain’ should be a real name –like mine is.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        Did Churchill order the bombing of Dresden shortly before the end of World War 2? This account suggests not:
        
        Dresden was on the list of 58 cities which Air Marshal “Bomber” Harris was grinding his way through. Far more important, bombing Dresden was requested by the Soviet high command.
        
        A Soviet intelligence report (later proven erroneous) indicated that one or two German armoured divisions were in Dresden on their way to reinforce the Eastern Front. Accordingly the Russians—who would later denounce the attack as an Anglo-American war crime—made the request that led to Dresden’s destruction.
        
        Ironically, Churchill had left London for the Yalta Conference when the Soviet request came in. He wasn’t even there to give the order. The task fell to Deputy Prime Minister Clement Attlee. Churchill did not learn of the Russian request until he arrived in Yalta on February 4th.
        
        Source –
        
        https://richardlangworth.com/churchill-bombing-dresden#:~:text=Dresden
        
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        August 20, 2022 9:34pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  So, Maori whinge about colonial statues, Cook, the Wakefields, Queen Victoria, Grey, Hamilton and Ballance among others. And even better, Shane Te Pou, with regard to the statue of Colonel Marmaduke Nixon which stands in Otahuhu, he “challenged the mayor to open up a conversation about removing the memorial saying there should not be a memorial to a man who was a thug”. Nixon led an attack on a Maori village that saw 12 dead. As other Maori name a facility after a mass murderer. Their mass murderer is a hero, colonial guy not so much. Perhaps Otahuhu should be renamed “Nixontown”.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What’s your solution? No new statues, ever. Never name anything after anyone? Never change any place name?
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Not when it is simply a virtue signaling exercise as part of a clear and obvious manipulative agenda.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:33am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lol mike, and there is your problem. You are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. And your suggestions “no new statues, ever, never name anything after anyone, never change any place name” is about as childish as it gets. Do you honestly think that anyone here would give a shit if a pool was named after Te Rauparaha IF the Maori with the loudest voices and their apologists hadn’t spat the dummy over Europeans that are important to the formation of this country? What do you expect when those same Maori literally ignore their own history of abject brutality? Just think, if you had lived in NZ back in the day, your shriveled, leathery head may have ended up in an exhibition at the British Museum, sold by a competing tribe for a couple of beads or a shard of mirror.
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:02pm
  - Trev
    
    Marmaduke Dixon?
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:14am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Nope, Dixon was South Island, Nixon, North.
      
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      August 20, 2022 5:20pm
- emmess
  
  Te Rauparaha is basically the Adolf Hitler of New Zealand
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No, that would be George Grey.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:13am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Ridiculous.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:53am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        A Maori perspective from my neighbourhood:
        https://www.ruapekapeka.co.nz/cast-of-characters/george-grey/
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:19pm
- Observer of Life
  
  “Iwi Gifted” 😆😆😆 Is that to make us feel better about the BS?
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:02am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I bet the ‘gift’ cost an eye-watering amount of ~~money~~ koha
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:45am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s meant to convey an honour bestowed by the iwi by allowing the use of their ancestor’s name. a bit like organisations allowed to use the ‘royal’ name, etc.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:20am
- AndyW
  
  An acquaintance’s great (possibly great, great) grandmother (Ngai Tahu) was captured by Te Rauparaha during one of his South Island forays and held prisoner/slave on Kapiti Island for several years. There’s also the case of the Akaroa chief tortured by Te Rauparaha’s wives on the journey back to Kapiti after the chief killed his daughter to prevent her falling into Te R’s hands…..no one in Ngati Toa seem willing to acknowledge this ‘offensive’ behaviour. Also, Kupe is a fictional character created by NZ School Journal writers in the early 1900s to ennoble Maori exploration. (Taranaki tribes – Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga, colonised Rekohu and enslaved the locals, using European ships so it’s the Govt’s fault)
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:03am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, Kupe is a mythological figure, like Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham and Jesus.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:16am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But I still love Kupe’s statue on the Wellington waterfront.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:17am
    - AndyW
      
      add “logical left-wingers” to that list.
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:04pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      What planet do you inhabit? ‘A mythical figure like…Jesus’. What nonsense. I dare you to print ‘A mythical figure like…Mohammed’. Of course you never would be quite that brave now would you, Mikey?
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        While it is true that there is more solid historical evidence for the life of Mohammed than there is for Jesus, their respective cults have ensured that for all practical purposes they can be regarded as mythological. The absurd beliefs and rituals that have accrued since their putative lives are responsible for that.
        
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        August 20, 2022 4:51pm
    - iMP
      
      Hey Troll Mikey… I can hive you a secular Roman historian too, if you wish…
      “p. 1466…The extant manuscripts of the book Antiquities of the Jews, written by the first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus around 93–94 AD, contain two references to Jesus of Nazareth and one reference to John the Baptist.
      
      “The first and most extensive reference to Jesus in the Antiquities, found in Book 18, states that Jesus was the Messiah and a wise teacher who was crucified by Pontius Pilate. It is commonly called the Testimonium Flavianum.”
      
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      August 20, 2022 2:40pm
      - iMP
        
        Now least we get too excited. If Jesus was nobody or nothing, why would Josephus write about him to his Roman patron within 50-odd years of Jesus’ crucifixion. And if it’s a Christian fraud text, why would they write about him as Josephus? Or why write about Jesus at all if the whole Christian thing was a big fraud…it makes no sense.
        
        And then there’s the WHOLE Roman empire converting to the Jesus-sect within 300 years.
        
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        August 20, 2022 2:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No contemporary evidence means no reliable evidence of the putative miracles, etc, let alone the resurrection nonsense.
        It’s an open question whether there was an historical Jesus. Ultimately, it’s a question of faith and myth. Lots of people would like to believe there was a real King Arthur or a Robin Hood, too. And for very many people, belief is close enough for them to claim it as a reality.
        
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        August 20, 2022 4:56pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Oh, a name gifted by iwi? So all you need to do is gift a name and the powers-that-be will change it?
  
  Great, I have a few ideas – I’m gifting the name New Zealand Transport Agency to replace some sort of canoe; I’m gifting the name Auckland back to some place related to (as best I can make out) Brian and Hannah Tamaki; I’m gifting the flavour of chocolate called Creamy Milk to Whittakers, and I’m re-gifting the name New Zealand to all New Zealanders so they know where they come from.
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    All you need to do is acquire sufficient mana for your gift to be desired and accepted. See, for example, ‘Royal’ names conferred on institutions. It might be that Voices for Freedom/[insert cult of choice] becomes Loddenthinks Voices for Freedom and so improves its prestige and credibility.
    
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    August 20, 2022 5:03pm
artemisia

So the Chief Ombudsman has asked the Prime Minister for her assurance the OI Act is being followed correctly. She through her office has said Yip yip that’s what it is. And 9 years of neglect with numbers to prove it. Real numbers, not like those kids living in cars numbers?

Anyhoo , folk now wanting answers from the government / the Parliament have an excellent opportunity to ask for them and escalate to the Ombudsman knowing that the current government will be completely honest and transparent. At least until the heat retreats.

I know a bit about the OI Acts and it is believable what Dr Sharma said about his experience with the OIA. He could now lodge OIA requests to formally confirm / reject his allegations where they are covered by the Act. Including meetings and conversations not written down or otherwise documented – denial is a slippery slope in these days of a recording device in every pocket.
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August 20, 2022 8:10am
- Warren
  
  A leopard never changes there spots.
  The only thing that will.change their ways is corruption charges.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:24am
- curry4me
  
  At this stage, I’d beleive Dr Sharma if he said the moon was made of green cheese. As for Stalinda, not so much.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Most of what Gaurav Sharma alleges would not be able to be confirmed by information requests, as the OIA does not cover MPs or parliament itself, only government ministers and agencies.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    Mikey it is going to be more than a fulltime job running interference on this one.
    
    Sharma is a lot sharper and on the ball than the average Labour sycophant like you. So far he has been at least 3 steps ahead of the Labour hierarchy – but no surprises there I guess.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      You think he will be more successful than previous renegade MPs?
      For some examples, see the careers of:
      Matiu Rata
      John Kirk
      Brian MacDonnell
      Gilbert Myles
      Cam Campion
      Hamish McIntyre
      Peter McCardle
      Jamie Lee Ross
      etc, etc
      
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      August 20, 2022 9:49am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Brian Macdonell was my MP when I first voted, he was shafted by the rotten Labour Party. He was not a renegade, the party did not let him face an election, so he dug his toes in, rotten rotten Labour
        
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        August 20, 2022 9:55am
      - AitchW
        
        The problem the left has here is that Sharma isn’t driven by naked political ambition but rather by a sense of fairness.
        He has a life and a career waiting for him outside the trough and cares not a jot that the Labour machine is going to exact its usual revenge for those who cross the elite.
        He will bring Ardern down, if not the government.
        
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        August 20, 2022 9:56am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        I think you’ll find Dr Sharma has a skill set to fall back on, and if he goes back to Medicine full time, it will be the most that Labour has done to alleviate the Doctor shortage in NZ.
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:05am
      - yobi
        
        Yes.
        
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        August 20, 2022 10:31am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Tariana Turia
        Marilyn Waring
        John Anderton
        
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        August 20, 2022 12:18pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Mike is correct on this. If I were to submit a request for “all correspondence betwen Dr Sharma and the PM” it would be declined as such information is outside the scope of the Act.
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Clearly if they are coaching them to avoid it, then it’s not just ministers
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So perhaps your point is that only ministers, no MPs, need such ‘coaching’. But how would that make sense of this MP’s claims?
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:22am
  - artemisia
    
    How about requesting information if the Party responded. Like reasons, who was consulted and why, supporting notes etc if the issue was transferred.
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      See my comment above. That is outside the scope of the OIA. It applies to the Executive Government. That means Ministers in their official capacity and government agencies.
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As Benedict notes, political parties, as private organisations are not subject to the OIA. BTW, MPs, the parliamentary service and officers of parliament (the ombudsman, privacy commissioner, etc) have always been outside the coverage of the OIA. It is highly unlikely that any large group of MPs (a political party, say) would ever vote to change that.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Correct. That is why I am unclear on why new MPs were being “coached” to avoid the OIA. Maybe it was a more general concern about written correspondence being leaked.
        
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        August 20, 2022 11:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  By god I hope he has recordings of this avoidance training, because when Cindy tells the ombudsman all is good, then a recording to the contrary would be a death warrant
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who was that MP who got in trouble a while back for secretly recording conversations?
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:26am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Barclays, but he did not break the law because he knew the recording was going on, note he was cleared by police
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:36pm
    - iMP
      
      It is perfectly legal to record a conversation in NZ if you are one of the parties
      
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      August 20, 2022 2:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  @artemisia, Nice dig – Yip, yip, that’s what it is 🙂
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:52am
- nathie
  
  The narrative seems to be around phone calls not (easily) being subject to the OIA.
  
  But I recall not long after Labour first became the govt (with NZF) that there was some reporting on how Labour MP’s were using social media apps to avoid the OIA process.
  
  Pretty sure it was mentioned in the MSM at the time (perhaps in a column piece rather than a news report)? Might have been Facetime should someone be willing do some intrepid research!
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:17am
  - artemisia
    
    Phone calls (and undocumented meetings) – a poster here mentioned the other day that the Ombudsman had not upheld disclosure under the OIA. While interesting it would be even more interesting to know exactly the thinking and reasoning. In any case probably not too many complaints in the overall scheme of things, but that if such complaints were to increase a lot we might see some precedents one way or the other.
    
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    August 20, 2022 1:17pm
- Nickc2
  
  Is the Chief Ombudsman looking for a new job? Cindy is very vindictive, just ask Louisa Wall and Dr. Sharma.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And the poor KFC worker
    
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    August 20, 2022 7:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Only one person can be the “Coolste Politikerin der Welt:”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/18/sanna-marin-finland-dance-party-video-outrage/
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August 20, 2022 8:13am
Opie

Sanna Martin is just an all round better human than our lord of bullying. Much better looking and way more intelligent as well. Learns from mistakes and apologises if she gets something wrong. Can’t ask for more than that.

I think all politicians should be randomly drug tested, just like we do to earn the money that gets stolen from us to pay their wages.
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August 20, 2022 8:13am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  An interesting women’s magazine question for Cindy could be – does she look up to youthful, effective and attractive female world leaders such as Sanna Marin? Sanna’s a mother too, you know.
  
  Could be a good one for Golriz & Chloe too…
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Opie: politicians should be voted on according to drug tests. How about just which is ‘better looking’? That might make it simple enough for you.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:31am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Brilliant mike! Best comment from you ever. We should only allow beautiful people as poli’s. And absolutely no short people. As Randy Newman famously sang:
    “Short people got no reason to live
    They got little hands
    And little eyes
    And they walk around
    Tellin’ great big lies
    They got little noses
    And tiny little teeth
    They wear platform shoes
    On their nasty little feet”.
    
    Hope you are not short mike…..
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I can’t comment on my physical attributes, of course, as Kiwiblog is not a safe space to share personal information.
      But I tend to agree that physical requirements (hand size, baldness, figure, proven fertility, etc) would make very useful screening tools to eliminate obviously unsuitable candidates
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:30am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well, I do know some straight male voters who used to find Jacinda attractive…
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:49am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I do struggle to believe that Suze. I’ve always thought of her as NZ’s Princess Mitzi Gaynor. But hey-ho, each to their own. Bet those straight male voters have a different view now. No one particularly likes the look of prematurely receding gums.
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Politics is Hollywood for ugly people.
    
    Sanna is the exception to the rule.
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anyone who owns their own shit and appologises is good in my book, leftie or not.
  Lefties could learn from Sanna Marin’s moral standards.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:03am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I don’t think she apologised, and I don’t believe she had any reason to.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I was following on from Opie’s comment
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:13pm
Tomtoddy

The elitists are now nakedly interfering in our democratic process. They want to determine who is a suitable candidate for the local body elections and which ones we should definitely not vote for.

It displays their underlying contempt for democracy. They really dont want us having a choice, even a vote. They would happily rule on their own – no elections. We, the despised, do not deserve a vote.
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August 20, 2022 8:14am
- Tricati
  
  Except giving 16% of the population preferential rights to ‘their’ democracy. To us normal folks, its just the middle finger.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:19am
  - Jim
    
    Cogovernance: IMO it’s deliberate misinterpretation of the TOW, allied with justification under the UNDRIP, but worse still is disingenuous political representation in the public forum.
    
    Ultimately it always serves the aims of the globalist UN when national sovereignty, culture and economic prosperity is weakened.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s why Brenda wants to be your “single source of truth.”
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:20am
- Philview
  
  The ODT editorial called these people a cancer on democracy. Considering the same editorial space has had very little to say about Co-Governance or Labour’s attempted gerrymandering or ever been critical of Jacinda Ardern, they are suddenly worried about democracy.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  @tomtoddy-
  And we need to remember that this attack on democracy is being made by journalists who are probably paid by the Labour Party’s Public Interest Journalism Fund.
  Which is a very clever idea.
  Establish a special handout fund and, come election time, use it to manipulate the candidate and voting process through fear and loathing.
  Can only hope that the general public will vote for the best candidates, whoever they may be.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:25am
  - Jim
    
    Orwellian Doublespeak for Government Interest Journalism Fund, as that’s exactly who it serves.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:25am
- 3-coil
  
  Tomtoddy (8.14am) – the print version of the DomPost this morning is chilling to read: the hit job on the Upper Hutt mayoral candidate is sickening. This is fascism.
  Comrade Nicholas Boyack the author.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:32am
  - Magnus Forteman
    
    I’ve been trying to stay away from media coverage of anything to do with Freedom Village etc, (only thing I now trust MSM on is the weather report – isn’t that ironic) but reading that hit piece is breathtaking. Guess who just got my vote…
    Sadly, so many kiwis still follow and believe MSM, the amount of (wilful) ignorance doesn’t inspire any confidence in the future and is making me seriously question democracy. To have a democratic system presupposes an informed and engaged populace. Without it we’re ripe for a “democratically” elected dictatorship by The Party.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:17am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Of course the questions should be
    a) How many Upper Hutt electors read the print copy of Dom Post
    b) Is this a hit piece or a promotional piece?
    
    Its well known that name recognition is a hugely positive factor in getting elected.
    So this piece certainly provides name recognition.
    
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    August 20, 2022 1:19pm
- hullkiwi
  
  It is all because behind the scenes it is real tin hat conspiracy theory stuff, and with it the elites do not want compotent people being elected who will unpick & throw out what what they have been doing.
  
  For example in the past week, there have been two major transport announcements that have slipped quietly into the public arena. They are Green Party policies to the core announced by Michael Wood and Auckland Transport. These policies need people like Collins to win the Auckland Mayoralty else these policies will be thrown out by Mayor’s or councils that are prepared to shine a light on the stupidity of such policies.
  
  In the case of the transport policies, there are dots that can easily be joined and they all trace back to a group of well placed Green ideologues who are influencing public policy without any democratic mandate. You only to look at the advisors to Phil Goff and the policies implanted over the past 3 years. If anyone other than Collins is elected in Auckland, the risk is all this influence will be undone.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:32am
- pdm
  
  TT – the ones I will definitely not be voting for are those that say they support 3Waters.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember the elected members will change their minds after election – Like our Cindy !
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Who are these ‘elitists’ I keep reading about? Do they have any distinguishing group characteristics?
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:33am
  - Ehlana
    
    They’re not too hard to spot. They are the people who don’t think they should be accountable to other people, miken. The ones who don’t think other people should be allowed to make choices for themselves or express their own opinions.
    They are the people who are ignoring the long history of Western civilisation that has taught us that the unelected and unaccountable will not serve the best interests of the people they hold power over.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:44am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Not a very specific description, is it? It could include Donald Trump and Joe Biden, for example. Or Putin and Zelensky, or Johnson and Starmer. Or just about anyone.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    mikey, I could give you a long list of who these people are, but writing a list of names of people who hide behind the scenes in a blog such as this could very easily open this blog and anyone who names them to accusations of libel.
    
    Personally, I know who these people are, and the positions of influence they are employed in. Yes, it is conspiracy stuff, but none of these people or the policies they have implemented have ever seen scrutiny at the ballot box. If you want these accusations to end, then the people considered must stand for election with their policies.
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So, you know who these mysterious conspirators are, but can’t name them because to do so would be publishing lies? Checks out.
      
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      August 20, 2022 5:07pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Not publishing lies, but naming people who are not household names, based on knowledge that not specifically documented.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:32pm
  - leoj
    
    Most of the freaks in the Labour party.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Most elitist are left idiots that do not need to worry where their next dollar is coming from
    
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    August 20, 2022 8:00pm
- graham
  
  I don’t know if a VFF candidate is standing in my area, but if someone does then I’ll seriously consider voting for them.
  
  Simply because I don’t like being treated like an idiotic simpleton by our media who has to be guided on who to vote for or who not to vote for. If the media can report on the facts in an unbiased, neutral manner then I might start paying attention. But the more they try to manipulate me, the greater the chance that I’ll rebel and vote for a candidate that the media is attempting to discredit, as a protest vote if nothing else.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:45am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Voting for a VFF candidate – if you can identify one
    who is prepared to admit that affiliation – would probably be enough to qualify you as an idiot, so perhaps being treated like on is what you should expect.
    Might as well stick with voting social credit.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:34am
    - graham
      
      Gee, thanks, mikenmildagain – I know I can always trust you to respond in an affirmative, politically-correct manner.
      
      I wrote the above on my cellphone, so didn’t have the capacity to write out in full my thoughts on the matter, and right now I don’t have the time. But as I said above, the way the media is treating us currently gets my back up, and if they are determined to try and smear certain candidates then that is making me just as determined to give these candidates a fair chance. So if I see someone who is affiliated with the VFF, then I am now determined that I will take the time to check them out and see if they are worth my vote.
      
      If for no other reason than to spite the media. 🙂
      
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      August 20, 2022 2:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        A normal, responsible voter would check out all of the candidates standing to see if any are worth voting for.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:09pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  What would the msm say if McGillicuddy Serious decided to make a reappearance?
  
  Would they be acceptable comic relief for aotearoa’s stressed out voters?
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    McGillicuddy Serious would have better ideas than the current mob of losers
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:25am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      In the present zeitgeist they would score a few votes too
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      McGillicuddy not so serious party
      
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      August 20, 2022 8:02pm
- oldfella
  
  Tomtoddy: and we, the ‘despised’ of Tauranga DON’T get a vote in these local body elections. And have no idea when Nanaia will deign to restore that basic right, beloved by many, but not so much by the Maori caucus according to Willie Jackson’s new, improved, Democracy 2.0. //
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tom, I have a picture of Nancy Pelosi in my head and it won’t go away.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:09am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Welcome to Tauranga, Tom. We don’t even get a vote.
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:40am
G152

Treated the problem of ants in the sugar.
Two days in the freezer.
Might work on unwanted pollies :}
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August 20, 2022 8:15am
- alloytoo
  
  Turn Scott Base into a penal colonal?
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  G152, won’t work if the MP is a cockroach.
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:56am
- Littletramp
  
  When you got out of the freezer, were the ants gone? It just seems like a waste of 2 days to me.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:05am
- Ehlana
  
  I’d imagine some of our freezing works would have fairly large, very cold freezers.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:45am
- kevn
  
  @G152… Ditch the sugar and kill the nest.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:54am
  - G152
    
    They came with the sugar so yes to the latter
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will our Dear PM be busy today creating a story of how her new entrant MPs attended a course on learning to work openly and transparently?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2208/S00180/ombudsman-should-investigate-sharma-claims.htm
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August 20, 2022 8:23am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter whether Audrey Young, Labour Twitterati and other miscellaneous luminaries like Dr Sharma or not – or indeed, whether they believe Dr Sharma is actually the real bully and some uppity first term MP acting well beyond their station – Jacinda now has a direct question and it would be good to have an answer
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t hold your breath waiting for the answer Suze…
    
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    August 20, 2022 10:14am
- mogg
  
  From last nights news, Sharma has got Ardern on the run, refusing to answer questions and needing to be protected by deliberately obstructive tactics. Even her favourites asking the Patsy questions were ignored.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nope, she is spouting shit about Co governance, saying we have to work together, it’s sounds like more bullshit suggesting Sharma work as a team
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Open and Transparent Government operates in such murky waters that no-one in Labour can see the bleeding obvious….

It’s making a mess of everything it touches.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/129586652/explained-staffing-and-funding-woes-an-early-lesson-in-megapolytech-experiment
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August 20, 2022 8:35am
- kowtow
  
  Listening to HDPA the other day talking about pollie’s staff wearing two hats to bambozzle us Plebs ,she was saying ( paraphrase) ” We journos know they’ve been doing this for years”
  
  Really ? Where were the big headlines then about undermining democracy , being open and accountable to the so called fourth estate and most importantly to us , mere Plebs .
  
  No no no . Now we have a yet another Media Pardy campaign against “conspiracists” .
  
  When the real conspiracists and real holders of power are sitting in Cabinet and parliament offices .
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:54am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Indeed. It’s the students getting a rough deal and being punished. Collateral damage labour style.
  Wait until do-littles health reform brain fart kicks in, same story.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:21am
- artemisia
  
  A third of first year poly students drop out, some courses end up with nobody.
  
  The first is what happens when there is no $$ skin in the game and young people are at a loose end with no job (for some reason). The second because nobody wants to do the course (for some reason).
  
  Time to move free fees to at least after a successful first year.
  
  Be good to know data around the NEET component, especially where WINZ has sent them.
  
  Have mentioned here before,a young family member did a poly trades foundation course. More than 20 started, 4 finished and went on apprenticeships. No evidence but word on the ground was most were sent by WINZ. Some fell out in week 1. For some reason, but not surprising if some were due to lack of functional literacy, numeracy or both.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:36am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgQ6rwIjubM
Could Putin FREEZE Europe by cutting off GAS?

We are living through the worst energy crisis in 50 years. In many countries in Europe, the debate is not whether the price of gas will rise more or less (which, of course, it will) but to what extent there will be enough fuel to heat homes in the harsh winter. Historically, Europe has been highly dependent on Russian gas imports. However, Russia is now prepared to reduce supply drastically. This could put the entire European Union on the ropes. This would not only affect industries and pocketbooks but the welfare of millions of Europeans, who could spend a winter without heating in their homes. [Is it time to begin knitting beanies, and slippers for friends in the EU? 14:43]
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- mogg
  
  Surely this is what they want, they have ‘net zero’ govts so Putin is helping them to get what they want.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:48am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, I agree. However if they get what they want too soon, the voters might get a bit cross. A dead grandma, and a three day week aren’t big vote catchers.
    
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    August 20, 2022 3:35pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Russian gas is a relatively new phenomenon. Brits used to burn coal & wood to keep warm. And, as you say, had thick woollen clothes.
  
  The larger problem is that homes built since the 1950s, especially in the cities, don’t have fireplaces.
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:38am
  - curry4me
    
    Yeah, that’s true. Maybe its time to get into affiliate marketing. Say, beanies, thermal underwear, wool lined slippers, and jackets. Maybe investigate wool futures too if one is feeling especially adventurous.
    
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    August 20, 2022 3:38pm
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=589865262801573

Casey Costello from Hobson’s Pledge on One Law for All.

Casey Costello is interviewed by Rodney Hide.
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August 20, 2022 8:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Am I surprised?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/473181/questions-on-absence-of-asian-new-zealanders-in-te-whatu-ora-health-s-leadership

The Asian population of NZ is numerically equal to that of Maori, but they seem to be overlooked in this Government’s push toward a co-governance model.
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August 20, 2022 9:02am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What if some of the Maori had Asian-sounding names, would that make it OK?
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:09am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Well, it would seem that the Labour Party are working hard to provide at least one South Asian doctor the freedom to move back in to the health sector.
  It’s the most they’ve ever done to address shortages in this area!
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:10am
- Opie
  
  And I know who I would rather have running the place or cutting me open.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:14am
- pdm
  
  No surprises there Maggy.
  
  from MacDonald of the Isles
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Another cuzzy…
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I see you are getting good upticks for your proposition that there should be racial quotas in public service leadership positions. I must admit I’m surprised – Kiwibloggers usually condemn such things as ‘apartheid’, etc.
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:35am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Doh mike. After your wonderful comment on beautiful politicians, you revert to type. Deliberately misrepresenting what Maggy said.
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, another example of the Milkmaid being deliberately obtuse.
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:12am
  - CJames
    
    milky,
    No, maggy is not arguing for racial quotas. She is just pointing out that the quotas are very selective. Though she hasn’t written it, I believe from her other writings here that she believes there should be no quotas. It is up to you to show that she isn’t advocating this.
    For the leadership positions, how about the best person for the job, based on transparent non-racial criteria? Or is that too reactionary for you?
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They weee milk maid knows the Māori quota is apartheid, he tries to bury his disappointment with verbal attacks, just like the typical leftie he or she is
      
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      August 20, 2022 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Thank you C. James & IVV,
      
      Yep, Mikenmildagain is yet again trying to place an interpretation on my writing that is not there.
      
      He erects straw-men time and time again.
      
      Read the article:
      
      Statistically it is bloody odd that no Asian NZer appears to be represented in the 51 Lead Positions in our new Health Authority.
      
      As Asians currently make up about 16-18% of the NZ population, you would reasonably expect to have had
      8-9 Asian faces in the top Hierarchy.
      
      And considering how many Asian folk hold senior positions in our Medical and allied Health workforce, it is damn surprising that they are not at the top table of Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand.
      
      But read on…
      and all becomes clear..
      
      East Auckland doctor Carlos Lam said he felt Te Whatu Ora failed to canvass Asian communities for leadership candidates.
      
      It (Te Whatu Ora) needed to be more transparent with recruitment for its leadership positions, she said.
      
      Health sector leaders from diverse communities should be given an opportunity to apply
      
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      August 20, 2022 11:22am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s only a problem if you believe that the number of Asians in those positions should be a reflection of the Asian percentage of the wider population. As you don’t appear to believe that it is, not unusually, difficult to know what you are complaining about.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        it is, not unusually, difficult to know what you are complaining about.
        
        I’m afraid you’ll just have to stay confused then, MMA.
        
        At 9:35am, you were sure you knew what I was espousing…(not complaining…).
        
        Now, you don’t know what I was on about.
        
        Your confusion defies my abilities to clarify, I’m afraid.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:49pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The rotten Labour government has Māori quota, he is suggesting what about other sectors of this apartheid nation
    
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    August 20, 2022 9:59am
  - leoj
    
    Your singular brain cell has failed you, yet again.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Jelly much, milky? Hurts to see someone else getting those sweet upticks doesn’t it?
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:54am
- Yvette
  
  East Auckland doctor Carlos Lam said he felt Te Whatu Ora failed to canvass Asian communities for leadership candidates.
  “I am certain that there are high- calibre individuals with the requisite skill set and charisma within these groups, who could certainly lead a health team if they have been given a chance and made aware of the opportunities available,”
  
  Dr Gaurav Sharma will likely be available from Tuesday
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  (Without detracting from the important point made here – that other sectors of the population now challenge the proportional share that Maori hold)
  
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  August 20, 2022 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  The author is clearing pushing for race representation.
  
  We don’t need anyone from any particular race on boards etc
  
  All we need is competence. No matter what the race or percentages.
  
  In the UK at the moment there’s a stoush on cos the RAF is hiring based on a diversity criteria , so they’re not accepting white males .
  
  This is utter madness . For the defence of the realm! And they want to appear diverse .
  
  Putin must be larfing hard .And the Chicoms too.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:02pm
- GJM
  
  According to the DNA tracing, Maori come from Taiwan via a roundabout route and a long time. Taiwan is of course a province of China, so they already have representation…
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:37pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I should apply to join the appropriate iwi. 😀
    
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    August 20, 2022 1:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Your surname suggests that you are of Han Chinese descent.
      But do you, like the current President of Taiwan, also have Austronesian forebears?
      
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      August 20, 2022 2:59pm
Flossie

I wonder if list MP Dr Ayesha Verrall had to attend the same Labour “how to keep away from OIA” meeting that Dr Sharma had to. Both new entrants to parliament in 2020, however one an instant Minister and one just an insignificant backbencher.
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August 20, 2022 9:17am
Hugh Jarse

I see another contract concern being highlighted with Ka Awatea. The PM and her advisors are going to be very busy now managing the wide range of developing scandals and stuff ups. It usually takes about three years for a poor managers failures to start showing up. You can only paper over things for so long. Looks like we are there now with her. She is going to have a hard job keeping this motley crew together for the next 13 months.
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August 20, 2022 9:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes, this one was with Kainga Ora. Mr Ormsby got $72,000, but more importantly, Kainga Ora has saidno conflict of interest was disclosed.
  
  Explain that away…
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:16am
  - Monty
    
    On this I am very sure that Cindy when questioned on exactly this said the conflicts were declared and there was nothing to see here – did te he PM a lie to NZ?
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think Our Dear PM will be able to squirm out of anything about this by declaring she was misled….
      
      The mere fact she has had months in which she could have got to the bottom of the Mahuta-Ormsby contracts will be overlooked.
      
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      August 20, 2022 3:01pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        If the media put pressure on her she we oils have to act
        
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        August 20, 2022 8:07pm
- AitchW
  
  Especially now that Sharma has opened the Pandora’s box that is the bullying culture in Labour.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:05pm
Scooter

Wow NZ’s crime stats just got more gruesome after 2 kids found in a suitcase in a storage locker. You really would be shocked to see this played out on a TV show let alone actually happening in little old NZ. What’s going on there?
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August 20, 2022 9:20am
- Ghost
  
  Nope not shocked, but let’s have a look at our past.
  
  Nia Glassie – Nia was subject to extensive physical abuse for weeks, possibly even months, before being admitted to hospital and dying of brain injuries on 3 August 2007. The court concluded that in addition to having had chunks of wood dropped on her and wrestling moves copied from a computer game practised on her, she had been kicked, beaten, slapped, jumped on, held over a burning fire, spit on, placed into a clothes dryer spinning at top heat for up to 30 minutes,[1] folded into a sofa and sat on, shoved into piles of rubbish, dragged through a sandpit half-naked, flung against a wall, dropped from a height onto the floor, and whirled rapidly on an outdoor rotary clothes line until thrown off.
  
  Amber Lundy – Amber’s was on the floor in the doorway of Christine’s bedroom.[15] Both had died of head injuries caused by multiple blows from what was determined to be a tomahawk-like weapon or small axe.
  
  Cris and Cru Kahui – Doctors immediately discovered that the infants had serious brain injuries.[3] Both had suffered skull fractures from blunt force trauma, and Cris had a broken femur. An orthopaedic specialist told The Sunday Star-Times that in order to break the femur of a baby, the bone would have to be deliberately bent at a 90-degree angle, ruling out an accidental cause of the injury.
  
  Jeff Ryan Whittington (2 February 1985 – 9 May 1999) was a 14-year-old murdered by two men in an anti-gay hate crime in Wellington, New Zealand.[1] It is unknown whether Whittington was gay. Whittington was beaten by Jason Morris Meads and Stephen Smith, suffering severe facial injuries and perforated bowels. After being taken to the hospital, he died of brain swelling. At the time of his death, Whittington had dyed his hair purple and was wearing fluorescent green nail polish.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Murdered_New_Zealand_children
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:57am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Asians moving Maori child killers off the front pages?
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:53pm
Nickc2

Quick, hide this from Cindy!
Canberra (Aust) to ban the sale of Internal Combustion Engine Cars and Light Tricks from 2035.
https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/18/act-first-state-in-australia-to-ban-conventional-cars/#:~:text=The%20new%20government%20of%20Australia,in%20Canberra%20as%20of%202035.
With our PM being such a control freak and liar, don’t believe a word she may offer in terms of a denial to follow suit.
PS: Aust also has a massive Power shortage and cost problem.
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August 20, 2022 9:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I am pretty sure all imports are banned from 2030 anyway
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:10pm
Suze Wainwright

I tried to find some Miraka Kirimi at Pak’n’Save. It’s either sold out or they never had any
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August 20, 2022 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You need to go to Pak’n’Save in R. T. Rower.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:38am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t think it is on sale until Māori language week
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:01pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf to myself when I read this unfortunate story in the Horrid.
Memories came flooding back…..

As a young & innocent 18 year old, my then boyfriend took me for a weeks holiday to Fiji.
On our first outing into Nandi, I spotted a fab Diamond-Tennis-Bracelet in the window of a well known Jewelers. After a lot of negotiation with the Indian owners, he managed to get it for nearly $2000 below the ticket price of $4500…. I was over the moon!

To cut a long story short, a few months later I was playing doubles here at the Club and the clasp broke. On the way home I took it into the jewelers in Remuera to have it repaired. It was only then that I found out, not only were the diamonds ‘Cubic Zirconia’, but it was also just gold-plated. The lady behind the counter reckoned it was worth 3 or 4 hundy at the most! Never wore it again.
Anyway, some time back I managed to sell it on Trade Me. Luckily I’d kept a photo of the original receipt.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1560708395665162240

There is of course a moral to the story.
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August 20, 2022 9:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That buying jewelry based on the expense of the component materials is a stupid ostentatious hang-over from an era where women did not have careers and so wanted to possess personal items of high value as insurance against loss of a supporting partner?
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:01am
- Ross Campbell
  
  I think I have worked out the moral to the story.
  Never trust people who claim they live in Remuera….
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I thought the moral was that if one is defrauded one should defraud someone else to compensate for one’s loss.
    
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    August 20, 2022 5:17pm
fernglas

Although it’s behind a paywall, the headline says it all:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/18/silent-crisis-soaring-excess-deaths-gripping-britain-tip-iceberg/
Basically, if excess deaths from non-covid causes continue as they have for the last 5 months, they will soon exceed Omicron related deaths in the UK
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August 20, 2022 9:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Use getpocket to read.
  
  What they don’t mention in the article is the elephant in the room. The jabs. How much of the excess death is related to the experimental concoction that people were coerced and bullied into taking.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:59am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    I suspect they don’t mention the elephant in the room because they are trying to stick to the facts in their article.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ross – which “facts.” Brenda’s “single source of truth”? Yeah nah.
      
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      August 20, 2022 12:59pm
Yvette

• Gaurav Sharma – Labour ti consider MP’s expulsion on Tuesday
• Roads around Parliament will close from Sunday in response to a protest led by Brian Tamaki’s Freedom & Rights Coalition (FARC) planned for Tuesday
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August 20, 2022 9:41am
Nickc2

I suspect this is from The BFD, but am unable to confirm. However, it’s well worth a read.
Open letter to the Prime Minister:

During Dr Sharma’s medical training he would have received considerable tuition in ethical behaviour. The application of ethics in his chosen profession is an essential and fundamental requirement. Ethics require honesty, the recognition of human dignity, personal integrity and accountability. Ethics is the study of what is right or wrong in human conduct and moral principles. Dr Sharma’s medical career has no reference of him ever deviating from these values.

Unfortunately, for him, he has discovered ethical behaviour is a foreign concept within the confines of the Labour caucus. As a man of principal he has felt obliged to address what, in his view, is the appalling lack of adherence to the fundamental values of ethical behaviour. And you, as leader of the Labour caucus, will have to accept full responsibility. But this is unlikely considering your track record of dishonesty, political manipulation and egocentric behaviour insisting you are never wrong when all the evidence proves otherwise.

Your political career is rapidly disintegrating as more and more people are becoming aware that your influence on New Zealand’s well being has plunged the country into a divided, debt-ridden hell hole of the South Pacific. Dr Sharma is a breath of fresh air emerging from the densely polluted Labour caucus. It will be quite appropriate that Dr Sharma should be expelled from the Labour Party. There is no place for a person who elevates personal ethics above political ambition within Labour. The evidence confronts you every time you look in the mirror.

You claim Dr Sharma breached trust by going public with his concerns. Please explain why he has to protect unethical behaviour? It is little wonder you refused an independent enquiry. To instigate an independent enquiry would have been the ethical thing to do. It would have flushed out the truth but you can’t handle the truth therefore the rot will continue. Dr Sharma has exposed the coward that you are. There is no greater example of unethical behaviour than claiming “nothing to see here”.
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August 20, 2022 9:41am
- vant
  
  Watch Ryan Bridge’s interview with Sharma, then his interview with McAnulty. I know who I should trust more.
  
  Given the way he answered the questions McAnulty is super qualified to be a Labour minister.
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    At the end of the interview, Ryan Bridge challenges Dr Sharma to look down the barrel of the camera and sum mup his thoughts on the PM. He does, and you’d have to say, he looks absolutely authentic and credible:
    
    https://fb.watch/e-Umsg0Mxw/
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:17pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It is from BFD
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:29am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Far too many words. Ardern is running a blatant lying cover-up. Just resign now.
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:05pm
Thought Criminal

There are 289,000 burglaries a year according to Act. That is a horrific number.

I bet its only a smallish number of people doing the bulk of the burglaries.

I wholeheartedly support Act’s 3 strikes law for burglary. I bet it stops burglary in a very short time.
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August 20, 2022 9:55am
- Nickc2
  
  Chopping off their hands on strike one would be quicker and more corrective.
  
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  August 20, 2022 10:00am
Benedict Yu

What is happening in Nelson is shaping up as a regional disaster. If this happened in Taiwan or I think many countries, massive resources would be deployed to help.

Here it is like the government is not much interested. On Thursday they donated $200,000 🤡. Jacinda nowhere to be seen. It just seems to me she carefully picks and chooses her kindness targets.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300666338/mayoral-fund-open-for-public-donations-for-floodhit-nelson
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August 20, 2022 10:24am
- vant
  
  Stuff didn’t do bilingual anymore??
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:02am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Doesn’t Nelson have a kindy she can visit?
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like it might be as bad as the rain storm that hit Nelson in late August 1970.
  
  https://photonews.org.nz/nelson/issue/NPN120_19701017/t1-body-d26.html
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:07am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @MW- yep, Nelson is my home town (don’t live there now).
    Floods, big and small, not uncommon over many years.
    And when there were unusually high tides which caused giant waves to crash over onto Rocks Rd (which runs round the harbour), we kids used to get on our bikes and go down to watch.
    But if I said that out loud I would be a climate change denier, eh.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:42am
- kowtow
  
  Mother nature . Floods are a regular occurance .
  
  The real problem is not , as the authorities are claiming , climate change. The problem is mankind comes along and builds houses , towns and cities next to rivers or on flood plains.
  Stop banks and bridges built on the cheap and when Mother Nature says , ‘sorry mate you can’t constrain me with your cheap fixes’ , the authorities then blame ratepayers not wanting to spend or better yet “climate change”.
  Same with housing sitting perched on steep hillsides without proper /adequate support etc
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:09am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Gather she’s busy with the Maori Caucus at Ngāruawāhia today – obviously a more important kindness target!
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:21am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Celebrating King Truck Drivers “Coronation”
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s the annual Tainui-Waikato get-together.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300662260/koroneihana-2022-welcoming-attendees-back-to-trangawaewae-after-threeyear-wait
    
    Labour now paying more attention to the Kingitanga than they previously did to Ratana or Waitangi commemorations.
    
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    August 20, 2022 11:52am
- PeeJay
  
  As much as I think Arden is the worst PM in living memory, on this occasion I suspect they’ll just be waiting until the flooding recedes so they can assess the scale of the damage and the level of support required. As I understand it, the $200k fund is to be used for small things like those that have lost clothes / belongings etc and is very much a stopgap. Obviously won’t be enough and does seem small but suspect this is the start and not the end. Further, no PM would ever miss the opportunity to do a walk about in a disaster area. Might be a nice distraction for when she expels a certain ‘rogue’ MP! Make no mistake, once the flooding has receded, we can all look forward to Ardern visiting the region – frowny face is probably being rehearsed in front of a mirror as I type!
  
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  August 20, 2022 11:38am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Nelson is Wellington’s retirement village. It won’t be short of the necessary political patronage.
    
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    August 20, 2022 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $200K is a joke, yet Govt funds overseas Countries in millions.
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s just for immediate use with the mayoral fund, there will be more to come, kindergartens will need repairing and to be penned by jacinda.
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:18pm
- Nickc2
  
  She wouldn’t have a fucking clue. She’s too busy trying to stamp out the bush fire she created called ‘The Dr. Sharma Affair’.
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:14pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Perhaps Nelson MP, Rachel Boyack (Labour) should be applying to her boss for some assistance?
  What’s the point of having a Labour MP if they can’t do anything?
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s up to the mayor to tell the government what they’ll they need
    
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    August 20, 2022 12:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She sent in chief bully McAnulty
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:14pm
nathie

Been noticing there seems to be a narrative within the MSM over the last few days that in essence Gaurav Sharma is being a “petal” and that politics is “rough and tumble” and that Sharma needs to “harden up” and go along with things as that’s the way the system works.

Which, although on a practical/historical level perhaps there is some truth in this, but in today’s current “woke” (sorry perhaps a better word could be used?) climate that is an appalling position for the MSM to take because it is counter to everything they have been getting worked up against when they reign fury upon those that “transgress” against the modern narrative (such as the guy that put down Nadia Lim as one example).

So in the Sharma case, using their own “usual” MSM filter, surely they should be rallying against (instead of condoning on this occasion) …. perceptions of workplace & managerial bullying against Sharma, bullying of a “minority” (interestingly by stereotypical “white middle class Labour MP’s” aka pale stale male/female!), not taking Sharma’s claims seriously (eg “no proof given”), continuously calling him “rouge” (instead of a whistleblower), saying he’s not “suited” to being an MP and so on.

It makes one wonder (perhaps wrongly, but otherwise correctly perception wise) whether many in the MSM are being protective of both the Prime Minister and the Labour Party?

Do many of the MSM really fear a change of govt and/or seeing Ardern fall from grace?

If not, why aren’t they doing their jobs without perceived prejudice?
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August 20, 2022 10:41am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No, I don’t wonder. That conclusion was obvious long ago. The media is left wing so this Government pays it to stay that way when advertising and subscriptions won’t.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:08pm
Biscuit

Curious, isn’t it?, that you only need to point out a single shortcoming by the Maori elite in the Labour caucus and there are a multitude of ‘Waysist!’ bleats from said elite.

So far as I can see, no such wailing has come from Dr Sharma…
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August 20, 2022 10:51am
ClanMcleod

OffGuardian takes a well warranted skeptical look at the recent apparent waking up of the msm to the rise in excess mortality.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/08/19/the-media-are-finally-admitting-lockdown-is-worse-than-covid-but-why/

They identify the lockdowns as being one of the primary problems which of course they are. As was warned about from the very beginning but that pov was shut down and censored.

As the article points out:

Now, were the deaths really caused by the lockdown? Or by the “vaccines”? Or a mix of both? We don’t know, and can likely never know.

At this point our collective trust in institutions and official figures should be low enough to question if there were any excess deaths. Maybe they just made them up. They do that.

Regardless of the truth of it, the narrative is certainly shifting to highlight “the true cost of lockdowns”.

This could be about disguising the harm done by untested vaccines, admitting to potentially deleterious effects of lockdown to spare Pfizer’s blushes.

This circus rolls on. The NZ government continue to push ineffective and dangerous experimental jabs. They continue to push ineffective masks. Of most concern is that they target children in particular Children are at least risk from covid and at most risk from the jabs. They are also at most risk of psychological and physical damage from the face muzzles.
The risks are listed in this paper.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362717614_COVID_POLICIES_-_HARMS_TO_CHILDREN

This government continues to harm our children using ineffective tools that are all about politics and nothing to do with health.
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August 20, 2022 11:11am
ClanMcleod

As a follow up to the link re increases in all cause mortality not associated with covid, el gato malo does the usual excellent analysis and rational discussion post.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/news-about-elevated-death-rates-is?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

“you can certainly increase deaths by swamping care and preventing early detection of risks, but it does not generate this kind of rise in overall mortality. these claims are associative, but lack any clear linkage.

it feels like a mantra being spoken over and over to focus the mind away from what might actually be going on…..

these deaths look concentrated in cancers and heart conditions. both are known side effects of the covid vaccines. both were warned against endlessly but these warnings were ignored.

in their place, we got sustained campaigns of gaslighting like the infamous “everything causes heart attacks in young people now” and the myth of covid caused myo and pericarditis that has since been disproven.”

Worth reading in full.

We are being lied to in NZ and the fact the government refuse to halt the vaccination programme, particularly in children, is malfeasance and unforgiveable.
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August 20, 2022 11:19am
CAKE FACE1

I have a suggestion for the monitors.

Heavily down-ticked posts are eventually hidden. This is great. If you look at the posts at the end of the day, all of the socialist troll posts are still there, but not in your face. You can view the trolls’ posts if you feel like it, but the trolls aren’t able to ruin the flow and conversation of the blog, which seems to be their intention.

The thing I think could be improved is that I think that the number of down-ticks to hide a post should be reduced.

If you look at say the socialist Milky and his posts, they almost invariably eventually get hidden, but even for him it takes a long time to accumulate 40 down-ticks.

I think you should change the number of downticks required to hide post to say 10, rather than the current number (is it around 40)?

That’s my two cents worth…
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August 20, 2022 11:40am
- kevn
  
  @Cake… mma and his pals are just here to amuse us and to keep reminding us about the zoo.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:07pm
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    Yes, I agree. However, these WordPress blogs aren’t very sophisticated. Other blogs have an ignore feature. Anyhow where would the Kiwiblog circus be without its freak show?
    
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    August 20, 2022 4:12pm
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  I would prefer a blocking system. Otherwise I have to unhide their posts to see what the reponses reference.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:48pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

Alice followed the white rabbit down the tunnel and found herself in a very strange place where there was a fancy dress party in progress and lots of noise. She asked the rabbit the name of this strange place.

“Aotearoa”, he replied.

“I have never heard of that,” she said to him.

“Some man came up with the name to assist in giving Maori a history.”

Just then a man started to stamp his feet and roll his eyes and poked out his tongue shouting and waving a stick.

“I think he is having an epileptic fit,” said Alice.

“That is the Mad Hatter”, replied the rabbit, “he always behaves like that if he can’t get his own way.”

“Golly,” said Alice, “I would be sent to my room for behaving like that.”

“Who is that lady with the big smile handing out all those piles of money?”

“That is the Queen of Hearts, she will give you some too, if you ask.”

“Golly,” Alice said again. “won’t she run out if that’s the case?”

“No, she will print more.” The rabbit replied.

“I keep seeing a smiling cat which disappears just when I want to see it better.”

“That is the ghost of Winston, enjoying the chaos he caused.”

“Who is the woman in the feather cloak, my friend Greta would be so upset to see how many birds were killed to make that.”

“Shhh,” said the rabbit, “she likes to think she is a conservationist! Don’t say anything Alice or you will be punished for hate speech.”

“What? exclaimed Alice “for speaking the truth?

“And I can’t say anything because I am a white rabbit, and will be accused of racism.”

“I have never heard such nonsense,” replied Alice, “colour makes life interesting and attractive, it is bad behaviour which is intolerable.”

“It is because of perceived past wrongs,” mumbled the rabbit.

“More nonsense,” said Alice, “what is past is just that, past! Not a thing you can do to change it. Just get on with things. I don’t like Aotearoa, Rabbit, I want to go back to New Zealand, where everyone was happy before I heard of all this sick thinking.”

“I will come with you Alice, I don’t see why I should apologise for being white anymore.”

“Quite right,” said Alice, “that mad queen will run out of money soon, then Aotearoa will become Blunderland!”
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August 20, 2022 11:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Tragically good but unsigned. Is it now unsafe to speak the truth?
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think I have seen that before, but it is even more fitting now.
  Well done.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:21pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I see it’s at least a year old reportedly written by Cliff Fincham.
    
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    August 20, 2022 1:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will this work? Liz Wheeler on how the left plant to take down Trump. Mar a Lago raid done by some of the same guys in the Russiagate rubbish.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1200890917310470
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August 20, 2022 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nuclear reports, passports – all rubbish
  
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  August 20, 2022 12:02pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, I agree, they’ve since given the passports back.
    
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    August 20, 2022 4:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t think the passports were taken in the first place
      
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      August 21, 2022 9:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why do you find reports from that very odd person to be credible? I think can answer that question – that wingnut is spouting stuff which you prefer to believe, despite its pretty obvious extreme bias and tenuous relationship with facts.
    
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    August 20, 2022 5:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Calling a person ‘very old’ is a term that a teen would use.
      What is a wingnut? A person with big ears, hears everything, and then comments on the bits they don’t agree with?
      Sad little boy you are Mike
      
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      August 20, 2022 5:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Old and odd can be the same???
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I appreciate you are very far down the rabbit hole, Steve. but Liz Wheeler is not the voice of reason you might have dreamed of.
        
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        August 20, 2022 5:57pm
Alan Wilkinson

Some interesting policies here:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300663463/the-drastic-plans-donald-trump-is-already-promising-for-a-second-term-as-president?dicbo=v2-1e7fd207aa79b7ce171f317c92f43280
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August 20, 2022 12:08pm
Ghost

But Jacinda will just say she never got it

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/08/gaurav-sharma-reveals-fresh-details-of-letter-he-sent-to-prime-minister-s-chief-of-staff.html

Newshub Nation can reveal new details of a letter sent by backbench Labour MP Gaurav Sharma to the Prime Minister’s chief of staff.
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August 20, 2022 12:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Her office has agreed they received the letter
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:18pm
CAKE FACE1

On Tuesday, Dr Sharma will be expelled from caucus, in a pre-determined decision. I think that Cindy’s handling of this is crisis has been simply awful, which is a joy to watch.

Hopefully, he coincides this expulsion with another release of documents.

How many conversations has he recorded? Cindy will be terrified.

The Team of $55 million continues to assert that there’s nothing here to see.

Master Luke “Skywalker” Malpass argues that Dr Sharma isn’t a whistle-blower – he’s a “rat”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/129625351/luke-malpass-gaurav-sharma-drama-is-a-salutary-reminder-politics-is-about-the-numbers

“Especially when someone is shaping up to be a Labour rat…”

Wow.

“By Tuesday, Gaurav Sharma will most likely no longer be a Labour MP. He has made clear he won’t be leaving quietly. But where there are rats in the ranks, the numbers will rule all else.”

Calling the Indian doctor a “rat” is certainly giving Cindy full value for her $55 million bribe.

Is it just me, or are their racial undertones to this name calling? Would master Luke call a white doctor a “rat”?

Goebbel’s famously had scurrying rats compared to Jews, in his propaganda films.

Is this where we are as a country?

I’m ashamed to be a New Zealander.
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August 20, 2022 12:23pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  It could be the Rat leaving the sinking ship??
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:02pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’m proud not to be a NZ “journalist”. Despicable lot.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:28pm
- Cinematic
  
  It’s an incredibly derogatory term. Malpass wouldn’t appreciate the label would he?
  
  But this points to the vindictiveness of the left when the empire begins to crumble. Popcorn time.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed.. as depicted in ‘Der ewige Jude”
  
  One of the film’s most notorious sequences compares Jews to rats that carry contagion, flood the continent, and devour precious resources.
  
  https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/der-ewige-jude
  
  and from the 1920s
  
  “Wenn das Ungeziefer tot ist…”
  
  https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/images/sturmer/1927-48.jpg
  
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  August 20, 2022 2:12pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Simmer down. I think Malpas, albeit a prat, was using the Labour Rat sentence in the context of someone ratting on their “”Team””.
  
  As a journalist his writing is often bordering on being gibberish rather than English
  
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  August 20, 2022 7:02pm
nathie

About this “crusade” by Stuff & some MSM against VFF standing candidates in the local body elections.

I notice those MSM are using “fear” tactics by using headlines such as VFF want to make the country “ungovernable” (in other words they are portrayed as hard-core extremists).

Sorry I’m not up with the play, can someone please advise what was the context of VFF using the term “ungovernable” in the first place?

Asking as I presume it was used to highlight a particular issue (at one time) rather than wanting to continually make the nation “ungovernable” as the MSM are suggesting (so also want to understand the extent of whether the MSM are being “fair” (informing) or are actively “misleading” (spreading misinformation) etc).
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August 20, 2022 12:27pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a link to their response on their Telegram channel.
  
  https://t.me/voicesforfreedom/2248
  
  One of the ladies, Alia Bland was interviewed by Rodney Hide on The Platform. If you can find a copy of it listen to it and work out for yourself who the “extremists” are. If I can find it I’ll post a link.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:09pm
  - graham
    
    Who are the extremists?
    
    In one of many articles that Stuff are desperately swamping us with, regarding VFF standing for local body elections, they quote a political scientist smearing these people as being “pretty dangerous“, describing the idea of them daring to exercise their democratic right and stand as candidates as “a worrying development”, and worries that having them on local councils could have “life-threatening consequences“.
    
    Stuff has also put an opinion piece up about why they produced a documentary called “Fire and Fury” (haven’t watched it, not going to waste my time) about the Wellington protest. It is entitled:
    
    Pushing Back Against The Monsters
    
    Yes, Stuff are describing people who had the audacity to protest against something – which Stuff thinks they shouldn’t have – as “Monsters”.
    
    I know who I consider to be the extremists here.
    
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    August 20, 2022 2:30pm
    - tf78
      
      There’s a trailer for a counter video out called “River of Freedom” just google it, it’s worth a watch.
      
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      August 20, 2022 9:30pm
Tony Stuart

Here’s more on the latest accusations of conflicts of interest against Nanaia Mahuta and her husband William Gannin Ormsby. Thomas Cranmer writes:

Minister Mahuta, her husband, the contract & no declaration of any conflict. Government & ministerial assurances of adherence to the Cab Manual are now demonstrably false. It’s time for an independent investigation into the Mahuta family dealings with the New Zealand government.

https://twitter.com/kehetauhauaga/status/1560778857069907969

It’s time for the entire issue of contracts between the Government and Ormsby and any entities owned or in which he has a financial interest to be referred to the Auditor-General for a full and independent inquiry. In this case, Kainga Ora has clearly stated in an OIA response that “Kainga Ora has no records of conflicts of interest from the facilitator at Ka Awatea. Nor was this position advertised; it was a jacked-up appointment, at a time when Nanaia Mahuta was Associate Minister of Housing, with delegated responsibility for Māori Housing, a role she held until the 2020 General Election in late October.

These are serious allegations, that go right to the heart of the probity of the Ardern government. There needs to be a full inquiry, completely independent of the Government.

PS: There are more documents, and more details to the allegations here:
https://twitter.com/Record_Factory/status/1560714910392373248
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August 20, 2022 12:37pm
- kevn
  
  @Tony… Downbeat and Cranmer need to hook up with Dr Sharma and get it all happening.
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dan Bongino – the FBI.
https://rumble.com/v1g2vr3-dan-bongino-the-fbi-is-lost.html?
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August 20, 2022 12:38pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from Church retweets…

“Hate has to be taught. This is the results”

https://twitter.com/Briansbonetopic/status/1551286632619266048
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August 20, 2022 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shocking to king hit old people. The younger ones didn’t even defend themselves – why?
  
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  August 20, 2022 1:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    SO, because no one was armed at that encounter and if so would have shot the scum bag. Here in NZ the offender would be excused. Just shows though how random acts like this can eventually affect the wealthy or influential. Tick, tick…
    
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    August 20, 2022 2:29pm
alloytoo

I think recent event have both parties wondering about their recruitment filters.

National are wondering if they have let a potential violent bully in and will be relying on an independant QC report.

Labour will be demanding to know how the hell a competent person of integrity got into their party?
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August 20, 2022 12:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The bullying allegations at uni are bullshit, Dew will say nothing to see, she should set about looking for labour and media dirty work
  
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  August 20, 2022 8:22pm
Nickc2

Biden and his bunch of Democrat Sleaze Balls are in a state of panic and father Joe is calling for a ‘Unity Summit’ in an attempt to cool growing tensions between Democrats and Republicans.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/19/joe-biden-announces-unity-summit-fbi-raid-donald-trumps-home/
IMO, any tension is of the Democrat’s making aided by the FBI’s dishonest character assassination of the past President and nonprosecution of Hunter Biden. Biden Senior can’t ‘Summit’ his way out of corruption at the highest levels of Govt.
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August 20, 2022 12:58pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Biden and Cheney could be lonely there.
  
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  August 20, 2022 2:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I should have thought it was obvious that Trump assassinated his own character (such as it is) many years ago.-
  
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  August 20, 2022 5:28pm
Ra Henare

and for something totally different.

I see that that performance still matters in one sport and things like diversity and gender are irrelevant

https://www.worldpokertour.com/players/player-of-the-year/

The highest placed woman is 81 on the list.
Maybe the Labour Gummint can insist on gender based performance and give more ladies higher placings?

Yea right
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August 20, 2022 1:34pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Only a single woman is in top 100 ever chess players (Judit Polgar at #100).
  
  Men and women have approximately equal average IQs (men perhaps slightly higher due to bigger brains, 3 year old boys have brains as big as adult women), but men have greater variance in IQ, with men being a few points higher in variability that means that when you get out to edges of the bell curve men dominate the number of geniuses and morons, 2-3x as many men >145IQ, 15-20x as many men >175 IQ. This difference shows up starkly in every elite intellectual field.
  
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  August 20, 2022 2:11pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And in Homer Simpson
    
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    August 20, 2022 5:26pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

This happended in the Wellington suburb of Melrose this morning.

Wonder which idiot in the Council gave it a CCC?

https://twitter.com/mcnaughthelen1/status/1560740312364236800
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August 20, 2022 1:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Just getting rid of cars, Maggie. If you can’t beat them, bury them.
  
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  August 20, 2022 2:13pm
PeeJay

I’ve been reading a bit of the Stuff hit pieces on VFF. I’m genuinely not sure about VFF – not 100% convinced about the ‘grassroots’ origin (very polished website so could be more astroturfing than grassroots) but they don’t look particularly dangerous either.

Regardless, I’m getting more than just a little frustrated at our pathetic MSM these days. Since when was it ok for “journalists” to go from objectively reporting the facts through to telling us who and who isn’t allowed to stand for election? Where is the balance? Where are the reports on labour-endorsed candidates having to sign a pledge to support labour party policy over local concerns?

Wouldn’t it be nice if journalists went back to reporting the facts and allowing their readers to judge for themselves? Or is thinking for ourselves no longer allowed?
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August 20, 2022 2:12pm
- graham
  
  Spot on, PeeJay.
  
  Maybe the current swathe of journalists are worried that if we common folk are allowed to think for ourselves, we might make the wrong choice (IE different to the one they believe we should make). Or, possibly they think we’re not as politically astute as they are, and thus would get it wrong because we’re, err, thick.
  
  Either way, it’s getting tiresome.
  
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  August 20, 2022 4:42pm
- curry4me
  
  All of the VFF people I’ve met are salt of the earth. Joe and Jane six pack who have been demonized by the usual suspects. I’d buy a used car off any of them, sight unseen. As for Labour and the team of $55 million not so much. Many are ex-Green, or ex Labour.
  
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  August 20, 2022 4:54pm
- nathie
  
  Just noticed this today, an articulate and well thought out rebuttal against the “Stuff Disinformation Campaign”.
  
  PIJF has become a Labour Govt Propaganda piece.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-fire-and-fury-is-often-funny-unintentionally
  
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  August 20, 2022 4:58pm
kevn

@Maggie… Great the cars enabled the road to stay open.
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August 20, 2022 2:15pm
Maggie Pie

And tell you what I am finding going viral on Twitter.
There’s an awful lot of people releasing explosive and disgusting allegations about the Head-of- the-WEF….Klaus Schwab.

https://twitter.com/Doctorfromliny/status/1560349034484842498
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August 20, 2022 2:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Best Female Swimmer in the World.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/19/covid-pumped-youtuber-j-p-sears-career-and-he-hasnt-peaked-yet/?
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August 20, 2022 3:15pm
Maggie Pie

ALSO TRENDING

An Australian bank is to BAN loans for petrol and diesel cars…..’to help fight climate change’
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August 20, 2022 3:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Go woke go broke?
  
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  August 20, 2022 4:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We certainly hope so Kev.
    Just imagine what some people will be thinking who’ve spent say 300k or more on a new petrol-car in the last year or so 🙁
    
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    August 20, 2022 5:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      How many imaginary dollars did you spend on your last imaginary car?
      
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      August 20, 2022 5:31pm
    - kevn
      
      @Maggie… I know 3 folk who have each spent over 100k each on new cars. Two EV’s, one V8 petrol.
      No one needed to-go-to-the-bank tho.
      
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      August 20, 2022 7:10pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Bet it wasn’t Ross, Milkey, or Mike 😎
        
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        August 20, 2022 7:14pm
NZer In Exile

“Climate Emergency” BS-detector nuggets for Saturday.

46 STATEMENTS By IPCC Experts Against The IPCC:

https://climatism.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/46-statements-by-ipcc-experts-against-the-ipcc/
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August 20, 2022 3:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Snackered! I drink and I don’t get this fucked up ffs.
https://rumble.com/v1dyo9v-pelosi-struggles-to-form-sentences-in-bizarre-slurring-speech.html?
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August 20, 2022 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

Didn’t our own ‘Comrade Cindy’ meet with Klaus?

https://twitter.com/MattGubba/status/1560529318857609217
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August 20, 2022 4:06pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Male privilege (UK) men are:
60% violent crime victims
70% homicide victims
75% suicides
85% rough sleepers
88% sextortion victims
97% occupational fatalities
80% modern slavery child victims
95% children strip searched
30-50+% DV victims (disclose far less – ONS 30% a significant underestimate)
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