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Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129713026/highspeed-battery-railcar-could-get-you-from-christchurch-to-auckland-in-seven-hours

300km/h on our existing track network? Pull the other one. This idea is as ludicrous as the wave-skimming aircraft we heard about a couple of weeks ago. Why is it that the paid-for repeaters on $tuff are such a soft touch for these crackpot schemes?
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September 2, 2022 8:03am
- mandk
  
  300 kph on the existing track is ludicrous.
  
  Is there anywhere on the network that is safe at more than 100 kph?
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do we have trains that can go 100 kph?
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:57am
    - mandk
      
      I think the trains on the Wellington network could go that fast, but I don’t think they are permitted to do that.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:41am
      - Bullion
        
        yeah, they go ~80 in service. Qld has the same gauge as NZ and use tilting trains which set a speed record for narrow gauge of 210km/h – though top out about 160km/h in service (that’s long distance Brisbane to Rockhampton). These could be useful for NZ regional services (Capital Connection and Wairapa train) and longer services, not really that useful for the commuter services with multiple stops.
        
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        September 2, 2022 2:32pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Lol. Huge parts of the rail network in the south island are limited to 30kph. 100 would be pushing it. Narrow gauge tracks and poor maintenance.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Tranz Alpine?
      
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      September 2, 2022 3:08pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Sounds very “Lyle Langley”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:11am
- G152
  
  Evidently the the Cook Strait hasn’t entered the calculation
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:20am
  - Humai
    
    Indeed. Perhaps they’ll build ramps and do it Evel Knievel-style.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:31am
  - fernglas
    
    They will go the other way
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I hear they’re building a bridge, it’s for sale.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:39am
    - barnacle bill
      
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      Simon was going to build ten.
      
      Just another broken National Govt promise.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bridge – with a cycle lane
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    As our (then) two year old grandson used to say – nunnell.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:11am
- Simon
  
  People just want to be able to drive to the supermarket.
  
  This is just a fucking grift selling gold plated unwanted shit to cretins who set up the Hamilton to Pakuranga “commuter line”
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:46am
- Than
  
  Wow, a mere seven hours from Auckland to Christchurch. So roughly halving the time currently taken to drive (or probably more like two-thirds the time counting the fixed delay of the Cook Strait crossing).
  
  Now I have heard about this radical new invention called an “air-craft”, which could potentially get people around the country in less than 2 hours, and without needing to build and maintain hundreds of miles of road or rails. But that’s just pie-in-the-sky dreaming surely. Trains are the way of the future!
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    No can’t fly . latest missive from our masters.
    
    ‘As international travel climbs back to pre-pandemic levels, climate change experts are urging New Zealanders to re-think the way they fly and even axe trans-Tasman getaways.’
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/473959/climate-change-experts-warn-people-must-rethink-trans-tasman-travel-habits
    
    And the correct response is ;
    
    Just fuck off out of our lives ,you pricks.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:18am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      They ain’t our masters, the taxpayers are – there fixed it
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:51am
  - NoCash
    
    Not saying flying is not good or rail is better, but the less than 2 hrs of flying argument is incomplete. When flying you need to factor in the traveling to and from the airports which often are further away from city centres compared to train stations, then the check in and waiting time to board, when you add that all up, HSR becomes attractive under the right conditions.
    
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    September 2, 2022 11:04am
    - Matt Long
      
      So the train stops at your house?
      
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      September 2, 2022 6:23pm
    - Than
      
      While I accept the point that the time between take-off and landing is not the total travel time, I don’t think these factors make a significant difference.
      
      For both air travel and rail you will still have to travel locally to the departure point. And I’m unconvinced train stations are (on average) that much closer to where people live than airports. Maybe a slight time saving, but not enough to matter. And similarly, yes, you have to check-in before your flight, but you also have to arrive before your train departs too. So again maybe a slightly advantage train, but not a big one.
      
      Rail advocates like to talk up both of these points, but I don’t think they’re that different for flight vs rail. In both cases you have to travel to the departure point. In both cases you have to be there a set time before the formal departure. Rail does arguably have a minor advantage in both, but it really is a very, very minor advantage.
      
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      September 3, 2022 6:02pm
- lemuzz
  
  once Megan Wood reads this she will jump up and down telling us all that Labour is going to do this with electricity generated from West Arm and they can then give Rio Tinto the fingers
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:48am
- virtualmark
  
  Even if the track were in good enough condition to allow that speed – which it isn’t – you’d just be going 300kph into the back of the slow-moving freight train in front of you.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not to mention the carnage at level crossings.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:25am
- igm
  
  That speed would really awaken a few tarniwhas!
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:33am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “money-whas” fixed it.
    
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    September 2, 2022 2:57pm
Matt Long

An expert in the Australian Times believes that 80% of Twit accounts are bots, somebody Musk believes that is higher than 5%, mathematicians?
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September 2, 2022 8:04am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I can do the maths. Where’s your data?
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:57pm
Tony Stuart

Matthew Hooton isn’t holding anything back this morning:

The Ardern administration has finally confirmed — were confirmation required — that it is the most incompetent New Zealand Government in living memory, and perhaps ever.

It’s a big call. Jenny Shipley’s shambolic National Government was propped up in 1998 and 1999 by a bizarre bunch of party-hoppers including one from the far-left Alliance.

Labour embarrassed itself in 1989 and 1990 with two changes of Prime Minister.

Yet, for better or worse, those governments had competently executed change and maintained some sense of direction even at the end.

National’s Muldoonist era might rival Jacinda Ardern’s circus. But, however controversial, the Clyde Dam, the Waitara and Motunui methanol plants and the Marsden Point expansion were built — in contrast to Ardern’s 100,000 KiwiBuild houses, the $30 billion Auckland tram, and the $6.4b Let’s Get Wellington Moving programme, for which the Government has allocated a further $120 million for yet another business plan.

Perhaps we’re better off those projects are doomed. But the Ardern Government’s inability to deliver anything it says it values is surely unique.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-times-up-for-most-inept-government-ever/KR3WPECJ7W3UWEECPRXUDMMVNE/

Sadly, most won’t get to read this piece, because it’s paywalled. That’s a shame; it’s something that every voter should see.
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September 2, 2022 8:06am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You could always share your email-address and password Tony 😀
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:08am
  - pdm
    
    maggy unless Tony has changed email addresses I may well have that but as I am not Nicholas, Scot Harvarths mate (Author Brad Thor) I am never ever going to crack the password problem and nor would I want to.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maggie – try getpocket.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:42am
  - Random T Person
    
    Firefox + paywall blocker and it’s all yours for free. Well, not quite free, your tax money paid for it $55 million, so with this method you don’t pay twice.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:00am
    - oldfella
      
      Random, it’s called ‘bypass paywalls clean’. An Extension, only for Firefox, but someone on here mentioned it the other day and I thoughts I’d give it a spin. Works a treat, here and on international sites, and IMHO is even better than getpocket.
      Note: works with Windows computers. Doesn’t work with Android phones which don’t have Extensions.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:50am
  - MCōs
    
    You could always share some of those whitebait patties, Maggie Pie.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:09am
- plc
  
  Hooton is as changeable as the weather
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    Used to think he was awesome, he is a smart guy, but then I realised he is just a spin doctor who spins for whoever is paying the bills. Thats why hes ‘changeable’. Dont listen to or read his stuff anymore.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:07am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      If you agree with him one week and disagree with him the next, then that is the hallmark of a balanced journo.
      
      Admittedly, they’re hard to recognise. We don’t see many of them.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:30am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Not in Hooten’s case. I’m with RoboRob. My take is nothing he writes comes motive free so I trust none of it and only read the headline to see which way his wind blows today.
        
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        September 2, 2022 11:53am
  - nathie
    
    Yep next week he’ll be knifing National …
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, he’s a Poison Pen for hire.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:35am
- kevn
  
  @Tony… I just renewed my Horrid sub. Was an intro at $1 pw for 3 months. Jumped up to $2 pw but worth it just to read Prebble, Joyce et al.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    If you’re a member of your local authority library consider checking pressreader .
    
    Afterall you pay for it through your exhorbitant rates .
    
    A bonus is you are not directly subsidising the neo Marxist media Pardy.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:42am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If Akld is like Wgtn, Press Reader will not permit an Akld library card holder to access the Akld newspaper.
      
      You can read the ODT, though.
      
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      September 2, 2022 8:10pm
- rouppe
  
  I had this exact conversation the other day. Muldoon had plenty of problems and made some poor economic decisions but the projects he started are still here, and are now somewhat critical infrastructure.
  
  Ardern has delivered nothing, and in fact overseen the dismantling of that infrastructure (notably gas) along with social cohesion and democracy in general
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:31am
  - Ruahine
    
    Quite right R.
    I have had a sanctimonious ‘greenie’ lecturing me just the other day on how many EVs can be charged with the electricity from the Clyde Dam.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:54am
    - Tricati
      
      Could be a long drive for your ‘Greenie’ to get a charge (Sarc)
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:50am
    - Paulus
      
      Remember that now Ngai Tahu have total c0ntrol of all the South Island Lakes and Rivers, (not floods) and of course the power generation facilities, so they now control the supply of electricity to the North Island from the South Island (at a price).
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:14am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Would be nice if you were actually correct.
        I suggest the naughty corner until you check your facts
        
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        September 2, 2022 2:27pm
    - rouppe
      
      If only the power from Clyde weren’t already being used elsewhere.
      
      We need another Clyde project. However the Greens won’t allow it and the local Iwi will want a significant payment.
      
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      September 2, 2022 11:04am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Some issues around where you could put it ….
        
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        September 2, 2022 1:18pm
  - RockyJ
    
    The only consolation is that Labour cannot implement any of their crazy policies. They produce bad policy but combine this with bad execution. Two negatives multiplied equals a positive.
    
    Pity there is so much wastage on the way through.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:59am
    - Drone
      
      Sadly not true, Health and Three Waters are well on the way to full implentation.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:16am
- Albert_Ross
  
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  So we don’t approve of Government funding for media, but we also don’t want media to charge people to read their output, have I understood that right?
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    No
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:04am
    - Albert_Ross
      
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      So enlighten me, because I am genuinely puzzled as to how Kiwibloggers think the media should be funded.
      
      In the abstract, we say “if its output was any good, people would be willing to pay for it”; but then when there is a bit of output that we think is good, we bemoan the fact that it’s not provided for free.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:09am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Albert takes the win then! Downticks aplenty, but nobody’s been able to put together a skerrick of actual argumentation as to what I’m wrong about
        
        Fact is, there’s only three options, whatever the good or service in question. Either Government provides it, using taxpayer money; or somebody is able to make money out of providing it; or it doesn’t get provided. There are no other options. If we reject option 1 and actively undermine 2, then we will get 3.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:06am
      - RockyJ
        
        That is always the acid test. If people value something they will pay for it. If the msm cannot fund itself from the free market then people do not value it. In that case it will disappear.
        
        Something will replace it. People will pay for accurate news. Evolution is never painless.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        KBers are funding the media! If you missed it Albert, the Govt is paying for favourable comment using Taxpayer Money.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:13am
      - Thought Criminal
        
        I think one of the bits you aren’t understanding is that kiwibloggers don’t think that the Horrid is very good so we don’t want to pay for it. Either personally or via our taxes.
        
        My family pay for three other newspapers though that we do think are good quality.
        
        But that’s the market for you. Provide a quality service and people will pay voluntarily. Provide biased left nonsense day after day and people will walk away while other demand to know how media will be funded 😂😂
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘I am genuinely puzzled as to how Kiwibloggers think the media should be funded.’
        
        How do you think every other BUSINESS funds itself?
        If media cant get people to pay for their product then thats tough luck.
        Plenty of other medium we can look at for the news.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:20am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        The problem with state funding arises when that funding is conditional.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:44am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Don’t be a drop kick Albert, the Government is finding them AND they are paywalling. They should be paywalling, absolutely no doubt. Equally the Government should never have funded them.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matthew is correct, but he’s late to the party. KBers have been correctly pointing out for a year or more that this is the worst leader and government in NZ history. Better late than never!
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:42am
- emmess
  
  The Herald sticks article critical of the government in the Business section.
  As in: hey normies, this is none of you business.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:46am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    And paywall. Anti Labour content is almost always paywalled.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:19am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      In the good old days advertising revenue paid for the news content but when advertisers walk away because they don’t want to be associated with lefty crap the poor old taxpayer has to foot the bill.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:30am
    - oldfella
      
      TC: and the horrid’s anti-National stories are almost never paywalled. Funny that.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:56am
- Simon
  
  At this point anything Labo tries to roll out now is just harm.
  
  Its not incompetence so much its the limits of the modern liberal democracy. NZ government cant expand further unless it becomes more authoritarian.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:53am
- ecco
  
  Don’t really trust Hooten anymore. The NZH knows that by putting things behind the paywall only right leaning people are going to read it so it’s a bit of an echo chamber. I have noticed though that the free commenting in $$tuffed has turned against Ardern which is a promising sign. Did any one notice how they quickly they buried that Malpass article criticising the gst on kiwisaver fees backdown?
  
  The best place to get some interesting comment is on David Seymour’s Facebook page!
  
  What I worry about is the increasing number of people on some sort of government support ie benefits or government related jobs that are grossly over paid. Think $40 an hour for unskilled admin work. I know of millennials who got covid relief work on that rate who now have gone on to other inflated rate govt work contracts. Then there’s consultants on ridiculous rates and whole armies of people running pointless govt departments/commissions etc. these people are all going to vote Ardern to keep their cushy wickets.
  
  All Ardern needs to do is write off a portion of the student loans and then you have a whole new cohort of voters who are going to vote with their pockets. Voters can be bought quite cheaply in NZ. Ardern knows this.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, remember that’s what Clark did in 2003? National were leading in the polls, then Clark announced student debt elimination a few weeks before the election, and bingo !!
    Clark won.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Bribed with their own money.
      
      Those (former) students will be paying for it now through higher taxes.
      
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      September 2, 2022 8:13pm
- MCōs
  
  Mister H makes a living with these over the top tabloid style opinions as Todd Muller found out to his detriment.
  It would be interesting to go back a few years and see how much of his florid analysis has come to pass.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:07am
- Harry Knuts
  
  The headline is a pretty good summary to the context and where we are at now. Makes the paywall pointless in some ways.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:31am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hooten is the idiot who ran Todd Muller’s coup d’état. He actually advised Muller and backed him as a leader and future PM, so Hooten has zero idea how to identify what is inept and what is not.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:54pm
mandk

“Time’s up for the most inept government ever”

I’ve not been able to read Hooton’s NZHerald article because it is behind a paywall, but it looks like he has started to catch up with most of us in the Kiwiblog community.
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September 2, 2022 8:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Whoops, I just said similar, I hadn’t read this far down the comments!
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:44am
- Simon
  
  Labo to be replaced by National who consider themselves better managers. NZ does not need any further management. Just fuck off.
  
  We promise to leave you the fuck alone.
  Party Vote National 2023.
  
  Two ticks blue.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:55am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Hope the Hooters see’s where the real audience is eventually the light will flicker on:
  How many journalists does it take to change a light bulb? We just report the facts, we don’t change them. Three. One to report it as an inspired government program to bring light to the people, one to report it as a diabolical government plot to deprive the poor of darkness, and one to win a Pulitzer prize for reporting that Electric Company hired a light bulb assassin to break the bulb in the first place.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:00am
Matt Long

Two storys from the ODT on the same day to illustrate the plural noun morons.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/protesters-call-out-%E2%80%98cruel%E2%80%99-winter-%E2%80%98mud-farms%E2%80%99

https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/dairy/clean-green-te-anau-no-place-dairying-barns-locals-say

Can’t have animals out in mud, can’t build barns to keep animals out of mud.
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September 2, 2022 8:07am
Yvette

• “So get ready here comes the Kingmaker, whether you like it or not Luxon and Robertson! Fortunately you don’t get to decide – the people do!” – Brian Tamaki
• In the end, Tamaki said he didn’t want to work with National or Labour anyway because “that’s like selling your soul out to the devil”.

So, that is all sorted – Checkmate, everybody
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September 2, 2022 8:09am
- ecco
  
  Tamaki would be better than some of the other unpalatable options for kingmaker.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:37am
  - Flossie
    
    He says he’s not standing. But the wife is.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:52am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      My wife is Brian too.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:21am
      - Don Beckett
        
        No, isn’t it “My life of Brian” too? 😆
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:42am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Cracks me up how self-appointed Bishop Brian thinks he’s a kingmaker. So delusional. Does he not realise his only following is his tithing bunch that follows him like sheep or bodyguards where ever he goes. Clueless is Mr Tamaki.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:33am
  - Yvette
    
    Harry Knuts – you mention “tithing”, and in fact according to some sources, that is all it is about. As long as Tamaki sustains some momentum toward a goal – any goal: spiritual ,or now spiritual / political – the tithing should continue. Tamaki only needs to continue to offer some hope – distant as it may be, or misplaced as it well could be.
    Brian Tamaki may not be at all delusional, but his flock may be – do something clever with that :o)
    
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    September 2, 2022 12:28pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Completely agree.
      
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      September 2, 2022 1:11pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch plumbs new depths this morning.
Finish your coffee before you look at this pathetic effort.
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September 2, 2022 8:11am
- plc
  
  Earning her money….caption might as well be “Nothing to see here sheep, move on”
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  I try to avoid $tuff but my trip there to check the crap cartoon brought me to yet more witch huntery by Vance against her “anti vaxxers” running for office.
  
  Yesterday it was LGNZ;
  
  “Anti-misinformation group FACT Aotearoa has identified candidates with extreme views or association with antivax or anti-government movements.
  
  It had identified 170 candidates of concern and said many were trying to hide their extreme views.”
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/473913/lgnz-launches-voter-education-campaign-as-conspiracists-extremists-stand-for-election
  
  An awful lot of extreme language , emotion,hyperbole and outright hypocrisy is the hall mark of this propaganda campaign.
  
  They talk of anti democractic, misinformation , secrecy , and other nefarious intent.
  
  OK then hold this regime to the same standard.
  
  The list is endless .
  
  jackson’s redefining democracy
  
  mahuta’s power grab, disguised as fixing water ( and what of the disinformation / misinformation in their expensive infantised advertising?)
  
  bribing the media ; in the guise of keeping us informed .
  
  The secrecy around he Pua pua from their own governing partners
  
  Etc
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:36am
  - Simon
    
    Stuff is a petri dish of squirming mental illness.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:05am
    - Jack5
      
      Mirthless Murdoch reflects the views of Stuff.
      Subscriptions aren’t compulsory.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:44am
  - alloytoo
    
    FACT is a misinformation group.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Confucius say “one man’s idiot nother man’s idol”.
    Well, he would have said it if he’d your post kowtow.
    
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    September 2, 2022 11:37am
    - kowtow
      
      You sirry irriot I not get your gist .
      
      Me your idol or irriot.
      
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      September 2, 2022 4:02pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s a masterclass in dirty politics.
  Firstly, she claims that Labour only thought about bringing in the change. The truth is that they had snuck it into the omnibus tax bill hoping to sneak it through.
  She also targeted “Big Investment Funds” – trying to make people think that it’s just those funds being targeted and not the individuals saving for retirement.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Tell me she doesn’t get paid for that garbage?
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:49am
- mandk
  
  I have to say that, for once, the rabid lefty Murdoch was quite clever.
  
  She managed to find a way to present what was the most stupid thing Labour has done as a National beat up.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:55am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Murdoch cannot help but nail her colours to the Wailing Wall called Jacinda.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:08am
- Weinerpoop
  
  Yep, a particularly shit cartoon today and that’s saying something. A total own goal by Labour and yet National are the bad guys???
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:49am
- oldfella
  
  Yep, Captain, Murdoch tries to twist KiwiSaverGate into less of a fiasco for Cindy. And fails.
  The fact she’s even trying is pathetic, when the whole shambles should be a (real) political cartoonists wet-dream.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:02am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Sharon’s Cindy-universe is crumbling hence the attacks. She’s no other means to vent her disappointment at this loss. Was a king-hit by Willis and rightfully so. Keep it up Willis!
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:36am
- Prince
  
  You have to wonder about the mentality of Murdoch, when she considers Labour’s ill-fated tax grab, and Willis’ spectacular success in leading the opposition to it, decides to attack Willis !
  How culpable is Stuff in enabling this level of derangement ?
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Do Nothing Government strikes again

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018857058/govt-s-6m-ram-raid-protection-fund-remains-unspent
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September 2, 2022 8:12am
- Matt Long
  
  Process, committees and koha are much more important to government than positive action.
  Imagine if bollards were the wrong colour, or impinged on a bicycle or upset a taniwha, far better to wait and discuss.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:29am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Jacindelivery
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:22am
Maggie Pie

JUST IN from CTN 🙁

Pope Francis declares…… “mankind is experiencing the outbreak of World-War-111” during an address at the Vatican.
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September 2, 2022 8:14am
- Nickc2
  
  Quick, call in Mahuta Corp!
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:04am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He isn’t too far wrong.
  
  Looks like Papa Francisco knows his history unlike Jacinda and co
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:10am
DimChappie

Selwyn Mayor Sam Broughton sings a waiata at the end of his Three Waters submission to the Finance and Expenditure select committee. He is a big supporter of Co-Governance.

https://youtu.be/KLSjcS39Dds
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September 2, 2022 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  Selwyn must be very proud.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:30am
  - Weinerpoop
    
    No we are not, unfortunately there have been no viable candidates to stand against him
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:50am
- cmm
  
  Selwyn is suffering the Texas problem.
  
  As more and more people flee the shithole that is California to Texas they are taking the very attitudes that made California into what it is now into Texas. In a few more years Texas will just be California 2.0.
  
  The same is happening with Selwyn as the demographics change.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:36am
- Observer of Life
  
  Dim: Lol.. how bloody ridiculous. Wouldn’t you feel a complete knob! I do wonder if the Maori elite are just sitting back cacking themselves when they see a white woke womble embarrassing himself like that? I note he had the obligatory large chunk of greenstone around his neck too. Very PC indeed. As a parent I’d be so proud..//
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:11am
  - DimChappie
    
    Yes I am shocked that such a person can win election. There is a lot of Maorification of local govt on display at the hearing; all mayors introduce themselves in Maori and the chair peppers her intros with it.
    Labour’s suckie suckie attitude to Maori is clear; one mayor was criticized off camera (but in mic range) for not bringing her iwi partners to the hearing, even though she is iwi herself. Which fits the widespread theory that the whole thing is a stitchup to deliver water rights to Maori forever. Not with my support.
    https://stopcogovernance.site/
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:58am
- jon
  
  Mayor Broughton is like marmite, a little bit of him goes a long way! A totally YUK character!
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:19pm
Inandout

Maggy, as many dairies are Indian owned can we be allowed to join the Sharma dots?
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September 2, 2022 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  It has been reported that currently there appear to be 200,000 voters of Indian ethnicity.
  It is believed thst before the 2026 election that could increase to 300,000 educated voters.
  Overall those of Indian ethnicity will outnumber the Maori within four years.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:20am
Joely Doe

There is always – Extreme Paywall Bypasser for those on MS Edge add-ons or other Chromium browsers
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September 2, 2022 8:18am
- rouppe
  
  Not on android
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    getpocket
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:52am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Bypass Paywall Clean – Firefox
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:09am
G152

The fake news appears to have forgotten about liebors slipup yesterday.
Amazing what they bought
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September 2, 2022 8:22am
kiwikidsnz

Because you can’t trust academics to know right from wrong

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/129753071/intimate-staffstuden…
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September 2, 2022 8:24am
Rusty

Today in history 2nd Sept 1945 on the USS Missouri Japan signs the surrender document ending ww2.

What some might not know about that day was the Canadian representative Colonel Cosgrave signing his name on the wrong line of the document reserved for the Japanese and the NZ representative following suit.

It was corrected later.
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September 2, 2022 8:24am
- Simon
  
  Grave of the Fireflies look it up.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:09am
- MCōs
  
  So we surrendered to America.
  Sounds about right.
  That’ll account for us being dragged into all their wars.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:15am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Took a tour through the entirety of the Missouri with a couple of x US Navy Officers 5 or 6 years ago. Staggering ship. You wouldn’t have wanted to work below the gun turrets, you have to climb down to the bottom to then climb to the top if theres trouble. The escape ladders are in tubes so tiny, my shoulders didn’t fit in!
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:55am
Its only I

So much wrong doing by this abomination of a gov what will the next poll show?

Bugger all probably!
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September 2, 2022 8:26am
Benedict Yu

25 August 2022

California decides to ban petroleum powered cars from 2035.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/california-bans-the-sale-of-new-gas-powered-cars-by-2035.html

1 September 2022.

California power crisis. People urged to not charge EVs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-31/california-grid-faces-biggest-heat-wave-test-since-2020-outages

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September 2, 2022 8:28am
- Matt Long
  
  Virginia apparently passed a law that says California sets their laws for EVs.
  They’re stupid here, they’re stupid there, stupid greens are everywhere.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:35am
- lastmanstanding
  
  That is what is going to stuff EVs. Not enough power to charge them. Everyone wanting to charge them overnight. There isnt and wont be the capacity unless its Nuke. NZ has to double its energy by 2040 to keep up with demand. It aint gonna happen. Greens wont allow hydro or Nuke. Wind and solar not reliable and too expensive.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Isn’t it a master class in idiocy? Everybody has to switch to electric cars. But if everybody switches to electric cars we need to fire generators up to burn dirty Indonesian coal to power them.
    We’ll worry about the third world slave labour needed to get the rare earth metals and other products required for the batteries later. And whatever you do, don’t mention the problems involved in disposing of vehicle batteries. Or the exploding batteries…….brilliance.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Jacinda wants us to switch to EVs AND to 100 percent renewables. Surely to god there are electricity boffins in New Zealand who have modelled what generation capacity it would take to achieve those two objectives? I have seen nothing. I have not even seen any estimates of the how many GW of electricity it would take to charge 4 million EVs in New Zealand.
    
    Surely this is where you would start. What will it take? Here are the generation options. This is what will happen to power prices. Then consult the population.
    
    Holy crap look at the UK – the forecast is for power prices to become unaffordable for many people. Will that happen here?
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:09am
    - Flossie
      
      I can’t help wondering if EVs are just an interim thing. Like Faxes before emails, VCRs before DVDs -and of course now streaming. I’m sure (well hoping anyway) that some smart brains somewhere are working on a viable replacement for these energy draining vehicles we are going to be forced to have. Here in the Coromandel we laugh at the idea of taking public transport.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:20am
    - Swifty
      
      Benedict, there was a bloke on RNZ a few months ago talking very credibly about this exact issue – from memory he was saying that to power our Labour-proposed futures we will need to double NZ’s existing capacity by 2040 – needless to say that he thought we haven’t a shit show of achieving that.
      
      To me this is a perfect example of the uselessness of our political masters – massively over-promise (to garner political support) and then massively under-deliver.
      
      New Zealanders are mugs – we should be holding our representatives to much, much higher performance standards – and swiftly boot them when they fail.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – on that theme, I posted this a day or so ago, worth reading if you missed it at the time.
      It’s mainly about the problems in Germany due to their transition away from nuclear, coal and oil and their dependence on Russian gas. Something Trump warned them about 5 years ago and was laughed at by the German UN representatives.
      
      But the problems are the same everywhere.
      
      It’s a bleak picture that the CEO of the Starnberg-based company describes … In Gauting, there is a street where three charging terminals for e-vehicles have just been installed … “So a heat pump is already too much for the grid there. You couldn’t operate it at all.”
      
      https://www.eugyppius.com/p/blackouts-threaten-germany-as-the
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:44am
    - cmm
      
      She’s just saying the nice fuzzy words. That it violates the laws of physics is not her problem because she knows she will not have to deliver on the promise. That will be someone else’ problem.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      Benedict, do a Google search on [brian leyland nz on ev], there are plenty of good papers he has written. He has credibility, I went to school with him FWIW.
      
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      September 2, 2022 9:49am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        thanks
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:43am
      - Hebe123
        
        Actually he is a bit of a lunatic. The interview you mention is the first time in my 30 year career that I agreed with him.
        
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        September 2, 2022 11:01am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      That would require hard work and a plan BY. Of course she hasn’t done those things.
      
      Anything harder than a hug or a frowny face is utterly beyond her.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Electric boffins .
      
      There are , and one used to be a regular guest on Pete William’s radio before he was given the DCM.
      
      I’m no tin foil hat wearer bt it was no coincidence that purge , and it was a purge of Plunket ,Banks and Williams .
      
      And recall too that Ardern refused to appear on his show and then Robbo also ducked out on the excuse of “reset” question .
      
      This regime literally demands the media play poodle to them.
      
      New Zealand doesn’t need a gulag archipelago , they just unperson you.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:31am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      What it would take is planning and execution of rationally thought through policies over a period of 10-20 years. That is fundamentally incompatible with western democracies where long term responsible govts are punished by short term focused voters in contrast to superficial spendthrift feelz govt (ie greens and labour). The west just can’t do infrastructure anymore.
      
      The answer is ship/barge based turn-key nuclear reactors, like Thorcon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThorCon_nuclear_reactor , built in shipyards and parked or jacked up behind breakwaters in coastal locations. Surrounded by endless cooling water they would be incredibly safe, don’t require competent govt or local skilled workforce to build and can be floated back to isolated decommissioning yards at end of life.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:36am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      (cough)
      Actually I attempted to in this post, NZ Power Blows, which was itself an extension of work that Peter Creswell had done a decade earlier on his NotPC blog.
      
      Commentator CJames has warned me that converting MWh to PetaJoules and vice-versa is not as straight-forward as it seems but nevertheless.
      
      Below are the NZ consumption figures for 2018 in Petajoules (source MBIE report. pdf pages 14-15):
      Gas 74
      Coal 23
      Oil 283
      TOTAL 382
      
      Current total electricity production from all sources in NZ is about 160PJ. So we’re talking about more than doubling our electrical production, and some 84% of it already comes from renewable sources. Geothermal has grown tremendously since 2005 but there are limits being approached quickly. Hydro reached its limits years ago; there have been more cancelled hydro projects to add to Not PC’s 2008 list – and most of those have been due to the Resource Management Act and the Environment Court
      
      So that leaves Wind and Solar, which means an even greater increase needed from that slim red line [shown in the chart]
      
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      September 2, 2022 11:01am
    - [email protected]
      
      “how many GW of electricity it would take to charge 4 million EVs in New Zealand.”
      
      Here’s my calculation:
      
      The average daily drive in NZ is 28 Km (12,000 km for males annually and 8,000 km for females).
      
      Ev’s get about 160 km per 30 Kwhr of electricity so on average each of the 4 million EV’s will use 5.25 Kwhr of juice daily. That’s 21 million Kwhr per day or 7,665 Gwhr annually.
      
      New Zealand generated 43,000 Gwhr of electricity in 2020. So it would appear that only a moderate increase in electricity production would be required to charge EVs.
      
      Happy to have someone correct me if wrong.
      
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      September 2, 2022 1:44pm
      - Nickc2
        
        It’s peak hours demand that’s the problem eg from 3:00PM to 9:00PM where high demand kicks including seasonal demand.
        BTW, California can’t currently cope with peak hour demand and is putting EV charging off-limits until more power is available post peak hours.
        
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        September 2, 2022 2:14pm
      - [email protected]
        
        EVs are usually charged at night when power prices and electricity demand is lower.
        
        I’d really be surprised if 4 million EVs hit the roads in New Zealand. Lots of petrol lovers and many car owners need ICE cars for a variety of reasons such as towing.
        
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        September 2, 2022 2:30pm
  - lemuzz
    
    The transmission lines just wont deliver enough electricity to homes to power every EV. Don’t know how the home owners with more than one EV will get on. Maybe first one home gets the charger or they will have an extra IC vehicle as backup. Here’s a thought. Replace every parking meter with a charging station. Free power with your parking fees.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:32am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Also this
    
    Finally it must be noted that since Wind (and solar) are unreliable, tanking to zero on a regular basis, they will need backup generating capacity – 300Pj of it. Where will that come from? A doubling of hydro/geothermal power? In the case of Hydro it has problems itself, though nowhere near as bad as Wind.
    
    To paraphrase Sir Humphrey, these are heroic assumptions.
    
    There is one other possibility that should not be dismissed, even as crazy as it may sound. I’m not talking about Thorium Molten Salt Reactors, Fusion reactors or nuclear power in general on the supply side.
    
    No, I’m talking about crushing the demand side. A policy of Zero Economic Growth, or even negative economic as all that fossil fuel energy is shut down to enable a Zero Carbon nation. Look how happy many Greens are with what Covid-19 has delivered to Fortress NZ: the huge reduction in airline flights to and from the nation and the subsequent massive drop in tourism and internal travel in general.
    
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    September 2, 2022 11:17am
    - rouppe
      
      There are otherwise to crush – or at least reduce – demand side.
      
      At the moment, Labour are promoting significant electricity consumption rises with heat pumps everywhere, and the current trend for induction cooking.
      
      The biggest power consumers in the home are cooking, heating and refrigeration, so explore for gas, and promote as much gas use as possible in the home. Heating and cooking.
      
      The advantage is that ypu don’t need to run capacity “just in case” people turn on cooking and heating. The potential energy sits there in the pipes and bottles, ready when you are.
      
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      September 2, 2022 12:44pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Grind the economy to a standstill, that’s been the plan all along.
    This summer I will collect all those rowdy crickets in a bucket and deliver them to Bellamy’s to supplement the Greens morning tea. Will go down a treat dipped in extra virgin olive oil. They will get all excited no doubt
    
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    September 2, 2022 11:36am
- mandk
  
  The plan is working Benedict.
  
  Collapse the economy, dupe citizens into making perverse decisions about their personal interests, and then seize control over all aspects of their lives.
  
  You’ve got to hand it to him; Klaus Schwab is a genius.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:48am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Exactly. The purpose of these policies is to stop people travelling, except by tram or mo-ped. Limiting freedom is precisely the point.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:26pm
- Clownworld
  
  Idiocracy used to be a fictional film.
  Now I realise it was proof of a future time machine.
  It along with 1984 is a manual.
  
  Welcome to the future where idiocracy and the global technocracy rules walk hand in hand.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:06am
- Simon
  
  Yep, unless there is regime change in the West, Russia/India/China alliance will crush Clown World.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  People are leaving California, with many moving to Texas.
  
  In the last few weeks, these bill boards have popped up along California highways:
  
  “”Don’t move to Texas””
  
  https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/controversial-billboard-in-california-warns-people-not-to-move-texas-local-san-antonio-texas-uvalde-san-francisco-los-angeles
  
  Nobody quite knows who is funding them. There are two theories:
  
  1. Funded by liberal folk in California who don’t like Texas.
  
  2. Funded by a bunch of rich folk in Texas trying to persuade Californians to not move to Texas.
  
  I think #2 is more plausible. 🙂
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  For about 20 minutes this morning I looked through the California news media. There is nobody in the mainstream media joining these dots. They dance and applaud the EV mandates and then write frowny face stories about the power crisis. But they don’t join them and then ask the obvious questions.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Americans aren’t known for being smart, they allegedly elected Joe Biden.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:55am
    - kowtow
      
      Rubbish .
      
      Great folk , the decent ones , like anywhere else .
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:34am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Totally agree. I have met some dumb Americans. Also brilliant Americans.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:45am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Exactly, a large proportion of individuals are smart, but democracies are dragged down by dominating pools of zealots/vapid/stupid/young voting for fuckwits.
        
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        September 2, 2022 10:48am
      - Nickc2
        
        I have met and worked with some good ones too but none of them were Democrats, hence my reference to Biden.
        
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        September 2, 2022 11:26am
    - Flossie
      
      If that’s how you define a nation’s collective IQ then ours must be in the toilet…. “we” elected this government.
      
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      September 2, 2022 1:06pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I can’t disagree with you Flossie.
        
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        September 2, 2022 7:22pm
Maggie Pie

Didn’t we blindly follow Chy-Nah’s lockdown strategy to eradicate Covid? And those who questioned this lunacy were labeled…. ‘dangerous’

https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1565183576739807234
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September 2, 2022 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  At the very least, the poor folk of China, have the excuse that they didn’t vote for their Muppet Masters .
  
  Here over 50 % did. And many now have a serious case of buyer’s remorse.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:48am
  - artemisia
    
    China lifted nearly a billion of its citizens out of poverty in the past few decades – 75% of the global demographic. We in the west might well not agree with the methods, but fair to say nearly a billion people were happy. And fed.
    
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    September 2, 2022 12:13pm
    - kowtow
      
      Certain communists realised that carrying on the way they had up to and after the Cultural Revolution would have led to them being ousted .
      
      Little Deng “opened up” to foreign capital and the west obliged.
      
      Capitalism has lifted them out of poverty , but the Party still holds them in slavery.
      
      As to whether they’re happy , who knows ?
      
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      September 2, 2022 12:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  ffs don’t let Ardern see that.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Apparently it was her “friends” living in the UK who convinced her to shut down New Zealand.
  
  “”[They were] saying, ‘Go, just shut down, because here I am in lockdown with thousands of people dying. Just shut down’.””
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-speaks-about-her-bubble-and-the-biggest-decisions-shes-made/MS3XPSG3A72LNVLW4UEP4JSK5A/
  
  Hell there are so many Jacinda quotes that did not age well. Here is a beauty.
  
  “New Zealand not willing to risk UK-style ‘live with Covid’ policy, says Jacinda Ardern”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/07/new-zealand-not-willing-to-risk-uk-style-live-with-covid-policy-says-jacinda-ardern
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:03am
  - Clownworld
    
    In the UK I can report it is very woke still but WuHan is so 2020. Blue and yellow flags are still the current thing.
    
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    September 2, 2022 9:08am
  - crikey
    
    BY: Like, she asked NZers what they think?
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:12am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes you wonder what experiments these peeps in quarantine will experience in the name of isolation and protect the nation. Makes you wonder what other viruses that’s coming out of that nation too??
  Don’t show Cindy – it will give her ideas.
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:23pm
Yvette

‘Took him a while’: Labour ministers react to Luxon ruling out a coalition with Tamaki’s Freedoms NZ political party – Newhub

“As far as I know Brian Tamaki’s new party is not yet even registered, let alone released any policies, but to gain favourable attention, those policies will need to be more valid than his blaming the Kaikoura earthquake on “gays, murderers and sinners” – which may have come about from Brian, unfortunately, not actually reading his Bible properly.”
Perhaps even add – “It was Abel’s blood that cried out, not the soil, Brian”

Why couldn’t Luxon have said something a little like that to shut Robertson down, and then get on with hammering Robertson, Ardern and Labour for their KiwiSaver u-turn, or even, of course, for presenting their legislation in the first place?

OK, it is in hindsight, but why does Luxon and his team not think through a few scenarios and have some stock answers, so Labour can’t pull Luxon’s chain quite so often.

Downtick away – but watch Luxon get his chain pulled again
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September 2, 2022 8:34am
- mandk
  
  You are correct, Yvette.
  
  I wish Luxon would learn to control the narrative in his dealings with the msm, the way that Ron DeSantis does in Florida.
  
  “Why aren’t you asking me about …?”
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  “That’s not what ordinary Kiwis are concerned about”
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:04am
  - rouppe
    
    He kind of started the right way, mentioning the “rule-out game”.
    
    But you’re right he should have had a solid: “I’m not playing the rule out game with you. Especially on fantasy scenarios of your making. Go get the Prime Minister to rule out any new taxes”
    
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    September 2, 2022 1:00pm
- Philview
  
  No matter what Chris Luxon said would have been twisted to attack him. Chris would have known he was going to be attacked by the media but not known the angle. I wonder if he thought another National MP may have made a statement which he didn’t want to contradict so wanted to get everyone on the same page first.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:28pm
- JJ56
  
  He does add to his own woes.
  
  When describing Robbo’s habit of chasing trivial he mention the beat up over his holiday in Hawaii as another example.
  
  And of course by so doing we were all reminded again of another of his stuff ups.
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:12pm
BeaB

After expunging the KiwiSaver tax debacle from the media, Jacinda Ardern appears on TV news at yet another primary school asking children how to be a prime minister.
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September 2, 2022 8:53am
- kevn
  
  @Bea… Yes, it is pathetic. Just an ego massage time.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:29am
- Jack5
  
  NZ’s TV – unshamedly in Labour’s pocket.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:48am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Myself, I blame the kindergartens. Have you never noticed how those sneaky kids monopolise Jacinda’s attention just when she’s about to demonstrate her leadership chops? It’s uncanny.
    
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    September 2, 2022 8:30pm
kiwikidsnz

Chris Trotter’s take on the Govts media attack on “Disinformation”

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/09/02/the-woman-with-the-red-umbrella-a-short-story/
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September 2, 2022 8:53am
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2022/09/climate-change-experts-warn-people-must-rethink-trans-tasman-travel-habits.html

It’s ok for parliamentarians to travel the country via planes for team building but if the plebiscite want a holiday in the GC think again.
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September 2, 2022 8:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  These people are lunatics.
  
  The Government is marketing New Zealand to the world. Jacinda was in the UK saying “New Zealand is open for business”. If she was worried about climate change she would have said “No. New Zealand is at the end of the earth. Those long haul flights are a terrible idea. Go to France for your holiday.”
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:32am
- Yabster
  
  yep hypocrites everywhere:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqnKKJ8za1U
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:44am
ClanMcleod

Oh look, Cindy’s at a kindy, what a surprise!

On a sad note, look at those poor kids forced to muzzle up and virtue signal for her majesty. It makes me want to puke. She hasn’t got an ounce of moral fibre or shame.
It’s in the video section at the abominable Stuffed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/
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September 2, 2022 9:01am
- mandk
  
  It’s cos she can’t handle grown up politics.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda telling stories. Us adults call them lies
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  Good God I had flash backs to 2020 and the podium of truth. It’s the same tone and delivery.
  
  Obviously Kung Flu can’t infect you when you are talking…..
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:00am
- rouppe
  
  That’s why she picked a class of 7 year old, not a class of 17 year olds.
  
  They’re still awed by titles
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:06pm
Benedict Yu

Some New Zealand journalist – Josie Pagani – attacking Liz Truss, the candidate for leading the UK Conservative Party.

“Politicians who change their views to suit public opinion end up as insipid alternatives to the ‘’strong man’’ autocrats who promise to blow the whole system up.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129749156/josie-pagani-liz-truss-isnt-the-leader-the-world-needs-right-now

Hell, what did Jacinda Ardern do just a couple of days ago in spectacular fashion? She threw David Parker under a big bus and told us “We listened”.

There must be something they put in the water at New Zealand journalism schools.
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September 2, 2022 9:15am
- Nickc2
  
  Josie Pagani’s looking for relevance again. IMO, she never had any and as long as she lives, she never will. She’s a follower of lame duck causes.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:22am
- Philview
  
  Yes, Jacinda the hard-core communist in 2009 now does a policy u-turn within 24 hours because the public might think it is a tax rise.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:34pm
Paulus

Why does it take Cindy two RNZAF aircraft to fly over the North of the South Island in a big NH90 Helicopter, and then why does she have to take the RNZAF King Air VIP plane to get there, so she can visit a kindergarden
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September 2, 2022 9:25am
- Ghost
  
  Because she is the Prime Minister?
  
  No different than how John Key would travel and inspect a region after a natural disaster.
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:41am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Because she daren’t go on commercial as people will make their feelings known
  
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  September 2, 2022 9:42am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s the legacy of Ron Mark, the previous Defence Minister. He was accused of using Military Aircraft as his personal Taxis.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Ah yes; RonAir…
    
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    September 2, 2022 2:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gotta keep that fuel allocation up
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:07am
kevn

@Paulus… Just plain odd. It’s like an ego trip.
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September 2, 2022 9:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

For the 13 fallen in Kabul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIqohvvTCrw
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September 2, 2022 9:33am
Yabster

This country is in the crap- Aussie is following…
Bolt Report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEl0GZfTHyQ

Funny it takes an Aussie site to report on this train crash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8EsoSdWqcU
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September 2, 2022 9:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Are our media better than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFOCPC6i-ys
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September 2, 2022 9:40am
RoboRob

The labour idiot on TV3 this morning referred to Brian Tamaki as a fascist. I see this is becoming more and more a ‘thing’ on the left. If we don’t like you, you are a fascist. This then is linked in many minds to Hitler.

Listened to a podcast recently where the (Italian & scholar) host pointed out that most on the left don’t even know what fascism is. Did a web search this morning and I see that the meaning of the word is now being converted to match the left wing view. Search comes up with

‘an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.’

Wikipedia has has the first line as

‘Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,’

laughably they shortly follow with

‘…subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy’

Which is of course socialism.

If one looks up Mussolini, they would discover he was a socialist originally.

Wikipedia and the left are beginning to ruin language and convert history. Fascism can, and historically has been, defined without the need to add the Left or Right wing identifier. There is no need to add the far right, even if Mussolini was right wing, as fascism can exist on either ‘side’ of the political fence. The Wiki definition essentially implies any right wing person that believes in nationalism is a fascist.

Here is a better ,’real’, definition.

‘ a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition’

Sounds more like China doesn’t it?
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September 2, 2022 9:49am
- Swifty
  
  Excellent points RoboRob.
  
  Including ‘left’ or ‘right’ into a political definition is a classic circular argument.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:13am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Standard practice by the Left for decades, as this old mini-movie from 1943 shows. Just keeping yelling “Fascist” loudly and endlessly.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:12am
- Philview
  
  The founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, used to be a director at the Guardian newspaper. I have noticed the wiki slant on facts. For example, Jacinda Ardern is perfect whereas Chris Luxon has ‘controversies’.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:40pm
Ghost

Oh cunning plan on how to stop people leaving New Zealand….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2022/09/climate-change-experts-warn-people-must-rethink-trans-tasman-travel-habits.html

Climate change experts warn people must rethink trans-Tasman travel habits
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September 2, 2022 9:51am
- Opie
  
  It makes it easy, I’ll just buy a one way ticket. That way I save the world and get out of this shit hole
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:05am
  - MCōs
    
    Away you go.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:20am
    - Opie
      
      And you will be one of the first to complain there is no one left to fix your shit.
      
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      September 2, 2022 10:37am
      - MCōs
        
        ‘Fix my shit’
        There’s nothing wrong with my shit, Dr Opie.
        
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        September 2, 2022 11:14am
      - Opie
        
        Try booking a builder, plumber, concreter, sparkie or mechanic. How about a physio dentist or doctor?
        
        Just remember, each qualified tradesman that leaves takes around $30k of tax (paye or company) with them, not to mention the gst that would be collected on their services no longer charged.
        
        Even if the average charge out rate is $80/hour, that’s 25k of gst not collected. So for each person that leaves, there is a $50k tax hole. Multiply that by even 10,000 people leaving and you have half a billion reduction in the tax take.
        
        Then they stop spending on basic infrastructure eg roads and you need more help from the people that aren’t here anymore.
        
        Best you hope your shit doesn’t need fixing.
        
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        September 2, 2022 11:43am
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, so we must assume the local jets are climate friendly?
  https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/fleet
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:14am
Blog-aholic

I noticed earlier in the week that one Joel Maxwell posted a stuffed article on how he was going to spend September only speaking Te Reo…..good luck.

That said I saw yesterday another article in stuffed from said Joel Maxwell but all written in English…. funny that.
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September 2, 2022 9:56am
- Inandout
  
  Blog, years ago I knew Joel when he worked for a Manawatu local rag. Other than being a tad scruffy he was a personable chap but obviously of late he has spied the old te reo gravy train. His new found Maoriness though may be short lived if he relies on Stuff for sustenance.
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    What appears to be of concern is how Maori include Pacifica when it suits them, without any real relevence to the Pacifica people.
    Just trying to say how big and important they are numerically when the Maori, so called, actual population is not growing like much of New Zealand at all despite what they say.
    
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    September 2, 2022 10:28am
    - Frank the tank
      
      The funniest shit I have heard is the ZB newsreaders putting on an accent when saying “Pacifica”
      
      Pacific is a Spanish word – named so by Magellan.
      
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      September 2, 2022 11:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hillary,
https://www.facebook.com/TeRangitira/posts/pfbid019JocMcDzqAcJAY2M7iCMmnoM5VZnnUTrESbhWAV2F36TBf7afzcFySoemhsx8qYl
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September 2, 2022 10:12am
Ghost

Jacinda about to go live

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-to-speak-after-report-reveals-government-looking-to-scrap-mask-mandates-in-some-health-settings/OH7J4YNWRMYMUOQOXH7DR4P7JE/

Jacinda Ardern to speak after report reveals Government looking to scrap mask mandates in some health settings
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September 2, 2022 10:24am
- Opie
  
  About time, I’m guessing they will do this instead of going back to green in a fortnight. You will still need to wear one at the supermarket, probably forever.
  
  My physio has of course had to wear a mask all year and has had covid twice and also the flu (which was worse than either bout of covid of course).
  
  Lucky she did wear one, imagine how many times she would have got covid without the mask. I reckon she might have got it 10 times //
  
  Unless of course paper masks do fuck all in a small unventilated room…
  
  But medical professionals would have known this all along right?
  
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  September 2, 2022 10:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No mask for me. Not in the mall, supermarket, even the pharmacy.
    The psychotic nonsense is coming to an end
    
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    September 2, 2022 11:55am
- Frank the tank
  
  Only a retard would keep us in Orange and then piecemeal scrap face nappies.
  
  It is now 13.5 weeks without wearing a face nappy for me. The real reason they are scrapping it is people are aren’t wearing them any more. Every week at the supermarket more and more people aren’t wearing the face nappies.
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:09am
- mandk
  
  She didn’t say anything of value.
  
  No change there, then.
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:34pm
  - Nickc2
    
    She said the Traffic Light and Mask fiasco will be discussed in two weeks’ time.
    Don’t forget, visiting kindergartens and reading stories to kids is far more important than passing laws/regulations that affect us peasants.
    
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    September 2, 2022 12:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I wonder what will be different in two weeks time from now or even 6 months ago.
      
      Will vulnerable folk have become less vulnerable?
      
      Will the virus become less transmissible?
      
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      September 2, 2022 1:20pm
      - Nickc2
        
        The difference will be that she’s down on her luck, the polls are against her and most of the population is sick and tired of her lies.
        She’s painted herself into a corner by agreeing with 3Waters and Co-Governance and she can’t/won’t retreat.
        
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        September 2, 2022 7:06pm
All_on_Red

‘The chairman of Russian oil and gas giant Lukoil — which spoke out against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine — has died after falling out of a hospital window, state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS reported Thursday.’
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-01-22/
5 other Oil Execs have also died. Wonder if that was through tricky windows as well.
Russian Chief of Police Hillard Clintonivich said “There’s nothing to see here, move on.”
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September 2, 2022 10:30am
- MCōs
  
  Must have run out of poison umbrellas
  
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  September 2, 2022 11:04am
Bridgenag

an Ardernity then….an announcement of an announcement.
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September 2, 2022 10:37am
Chris Nisbet

Some ‘Climate Change’ policies that might ‘succeed’…
– Banning sales of new ICE vehicles by (insert year).
– Shutting down coal-fired/nuclear power stations.
– Removal of public car parks.
– Congestion charges to disincentivise vehicle use.
– Restrictions on flights.
So lots of stuff that reduce our standard of living – you get the picture. A determined government could get these things done – it would take a revolt by the people to stop them. Governments around the world are already ploughing ahead implementing these things.

Which policies can’t succeed (e.g. due to laws of physics, time to implement, insane costs etc)…
– Using wind/solar to provide base load power to replace reliable generation.
– Upgrading the entire electricity grid to deal with the increased load imposed by EVs charging up at night, within the time it’ll take to ban ICE vehicles.

Things that won’t happen any time soon…
– Ramping up of production of EVs to supply sufficient volumes to replace ICE vehicles.
– EVs practical/cheap enough to replace all ICE vehicle types
– Cheap/decent second hand EVs for use by the masses equivalent to the range of fantastic ICE vehicles they can get now.
– Cheap electricity as a result of substituting reliable sources with unreliable sources of power.
– Electric planes used by airlines.
– A decent public transport alternative to ICE vehicles (not in this country anyway)

The result…
– Lower standard of living for your average citizen, including…
– Blackouts
– Expensive electricity (when it is working)
– Restricted ability to travel
(See Germany and UK to get an idea of what the near future will look like)

What will be completely unaffected by any of this madness our governments are inflicting on us…
– The climate.
– Elitists/experts telling us how we need to live our lives

Oh, Climate Alarmist predictions that have come true…
– Umm, I’ve drawn a blank…
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September 2, 2022 10:39am
- quarterpack
  
  Climate Alarmist predictions that have come true…London recording the same temperatures as Bangkok on a sunny day? But I suppose you would put that down as all part of a vast global conspiracy.
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:50pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Umm, that’s called weather.
    Check out this vid by John Robson where he talks about UHI effects, the fact that the globe hasn’t actually warmed for years, and how many other temperature records were set decades ago.
    Wat we saw in the UK was weather – ‘global warming’ might have made it a little bit hotter than it otherwise would have been, but it’s mostly just natural.
    Others have pointed out that these few warm days were nothing like what was experienced in 1976 (height of the global cooling scare), when the hot weather lasted for weeks.
    
    https://youtu.be/5qcnyq4Yo4U
    
    But actually, in a way, you’re correct.
    Alarmists have been declaring that _any_ ‘unusual’ weather is due to fossil fuels – hot weather, cold weather, windy weather, still weather, dry weather, wet weather. There is simply no weather that they don’t attribute to humans burning fossil fuels.
    I’d suggest you stop paying attention to what you read/watch on MSM – those pricks are intent on misleading you.
    
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    September 3, 2022 6:06am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf.
My doubles-partner just called in to pick up the whitebait I promised her.
She was telling me she was at the Club yesterday and got chatting to one of the guys we know. He’s actually got a PhD in Engineering. Prue was saying she found it incredible, when someone like him asked her….. how can women pee with a Tampon in?

As I said to Prue….this is the VERY REASON men shouldn’t be passing laws about women’s bodies.

SHEESH!!
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September 2, 2022 11:08am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I trust she explained the mystery for him?
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Knowing Prue…he certainly won’t need to ask the question of another woman 😛
    
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    September 2, 2022 1:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder what happens to the urethral opening when a male undergoes a penile inversion to create a vagina.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:34pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I don’t Maggy. Pains me to think about it.
    
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    September 2, 2022 3:02pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
    Got a cock = male.
    No cock = female.
    Anything else = mental illness.
    
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    September 2, 2022 4:00pm
Handyman

I think it was Albo who said everyone in the future could charge their cars overnight. The government just had to build more solar farms.
As I’ve said before; solar power has a future but it won’t come in overnight.
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September 2, 2022 11:19am
oldfella

This is appalling…
Nursing Council suspends anti-transgender activist Jennifer Scott
Scott took to Facebook to protest.
“All because I have openly criticised the jab and state very clearly that a woman is an adult human female.
“They have not listened to any research I have sent them,” she said.
Yep, following the science on gender is now some kind of hate crime.
Scott recently addressed the Dunedin City Council, where her opinion on the use of changing rooms by trans women was criticised by Mayor Aaron Hawkins.
She asked for the council to ensure designated sex-based private areas, such as changing rooms and toilets, would be upheld in all facilities funded or owned by the council.
After her submission, Hawkins, who appeared visibly shaken, told Scott her submission was “hard to listen to, and it was at very least distasteful, if not repugnant”.
He told her he was proud to be part of an organisation which supported groups in the community and to be inclusive of who they were.
Hawkins said Scott’s words were harmful to the LGBTQ community.
I guess Dunedin will again elect the mayor it deserves. //
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nursing-council-suspends-anti-transgender-activist-jennifer-scott/T7B23GIOXM7UHMEZ4J5Q5Q6WMA/
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September 2, 2022 11:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

My Son Hunter Trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCvb6TfBXFk&t=32s
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September 2, 2022 11:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump – Indiana. The end is funny as.
https://rumble.com/v1i17op-radiohead-karma-police.html?
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September 2, 2022 11:45am
- mandk
  
  Most of what Trump said about the left wing establishment and the msm in the USA could equally be said about their equivalents in NZ.
  
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  September 2, 2022 12:14pm
Takere

Now. If you were in a powerful position in Auckland Council and also a developer. Which part of the council would give an advantage over your competitors? Panuku? Town Planning & Consent? Legal? Finance? Or, have people in all of the above areas to service your needs as well as appoint a few of them to some of your companies?

Paul Majurey is the chairman of eke Panuku who also is a director or chair of 27 companies related to development, construction, Housing, iwi, finance and investment amongst other roles. His oversight is by Efeso Collins on behalf of Auckland Council.
With Majurey holding so many roles that are in conflict with most of the agenda items and matters that comes before the board, he spends most of his time out of the room when board meetings are held because of the conflicts of the many interests he has. It’s probably not worth having him as chairman or even involved with eke Panuku because of all of his conflicting interests??

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/home/business-power/
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September 2, 2022 11:53am
Ghost

So now we know where the attack pieces on the papers are coming from, local government New Zealand

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/local-government-nz-launches-voter-education-campaign-as-conspiracists-stand-for-election.html

A first of its kind campaign is being launched today that will help voters in local body elections identify conspiracy theorists and extremists.

Local Government New Zealand is behind the move to educate voters with its guide to getting to know their local body candidates.

Anti-misinformation group FACT Aotearoa has identified candidates with extreme views or association with antivax or anti-government movements.
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September 2, 2022 1:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  WTF? Who gave LGNZ the authority to do this? Self appointed judges of character being involved in vetting candidates before voting can take place. What a rort! This is so open to abuse, it’s not funny!
  I smell the stench of Labour Party dirty politics in our Local Govt Elections here.
  IMO, it’s the voter’s responsibility to decide who may be a conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxer, or any other objectionable character.
  FWIW, I judge everyone with Labour Party connections or sympathies to be objectionable. I bet none of these people will be judged by these self-appointed busy-bodies to be undesirable characters for election to local bodies.
  Let’s just call it ‘stacking the deck’ for 3Waters and Co-Governance eh?
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:41pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I see we now have 3 mayoral candidates in Hutt City.
    Anything that reduces the chances for the current incumbent is a good thing.
    
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    September 2, 2022 1:50pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I smell self protection from LGNZ.
    They are elected persons already!!
    Especially the President, who signed the 3 waters support agreement with Mahutas mob.
    
    Using “”public”” money to demonize opponents at coming Local Body popularity contest.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
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    September 2, 2022 2:54pm
- graham
  
  Ah yes, Local Government New Zealand. That would be the same organisation that banned the Taxpayers Union from their conference on “the future of local government” just over a month ago.
  
  Because the Taxpayers Union dared to criticise LGNZ (the audacity!), the President of LGNZ said they weren’t welcome because “we don’t trust what you might say”.
  
  LGNZ – supporting democracy as long as everybody agrees with them.
  
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  September 2, 2022 1:47pm
  - Yabster
    
    yep- why any council stays a member of this socialist mob is beyond me- good question for Mayoral canidates.
    
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    September 2, 2022 2:09pm
mogg

Time for NZ to go nuclear, why are Cindy and the Greens clinging onto an idea which was successful for Labour forty years ago. Greens are thinking of short-termism, simple minded self interest votes at the next election. When it comes to having forward thinking plan and execution Jacinda wouldn’t know her ass from her elbow.
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September 2, 2022 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Where ya gonna put it , fault lines , volcanoes , tsunami risk .
  
  Answer is simple . Coal . Cheap , local , plentiful , reliable .
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:08pm
  - Inandout
    
    kowtow, have you espied the foundations on the te papa museum in Wellington? I also think Japan has designed buildings that are earthquake resistant.
    
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    September 2, 2022 3:32pm
    - kowtow
      
      Look at how nuclear worked out for the Japs in that earthquake/ tsunami , what chance have we ?
      
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      September 2, 2022 3:57pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Put it on a barge and moor it up a sheltered fjord or sound.
    
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    September 2, 2022 4:38pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Sad to say, but I think for a lot of the Greens the opposition to nuclear is more sinister. They want far less people on the planet and a much more subsistence lifestyle. At least for the Hoi polloi.
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:23pm
Prince

Our lovely media at work.
A) Sharma makes unsubstantiated, baseless claims of bullying by the whips. He names people, days and times, but anyway even if his claims are true, and they’re not, that’s just the way things work around here.
B) Gloriavale women forced to work 24/7 for no money, while babies cry in the background.

Note the absence of ‘claims’ in the language, lack of evidence so far, lack of seeking response from those accused. You have to read several paragraphs in to even see that this is a court case, with just one side presented so far.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129760274/former-gloriavale-mum-forced-to-work-when-baby-was-ill-found-it-alone-in-room-screaming-in-pain

I’m no fan of cults such as Gloriavale, Jonestown, The Labour Party, Brian Tamaki or the Manson family. but the media have waged war on Gloriavale for several years now. Give us a break. Will they report the defence argument with as much enthusuasm ?
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September 2, 2022 2:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I knew some Cooperites growing up, before they moved to Gloriavale on West Coast, and their kids were fucked up and fucked over by their association. Gloriavale are pretty bloody nasty, they exploit everyone who isn’t a male elder – girls and young women made sex toys for creepy domineering old men, ostracising those that leave (fundamentally abusive emotional blackmail), limit education of children to limit their option for leaving, and a whole lot of other bad shit. Not sure how anyone could defend them. Can anyone point out some upsides to their existence?
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:37pm
  - zulumonster
    
    My family was also in Springbank at the time of the Cooperites – pretty horrific stories of how they ruined families way back then. Gloriavale has taken it to another level.
    
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    September 2, 2022 6:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The whole place needs to be razed to the ground and the male elders in charge jailed for life.
    
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    September 2, 2022 7:50pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep , the way the Media pardy go on and on ,it has the sniff of holier than thou witch hunt / vendetta .
  
  Meanwhile so much worth detailed reporting , daily and in depth , but almost literally totally ignored.
  
  Political donations trial ; now that’s a huge issue , and I won’t say anything else while the trial is on.
  
  Rory Nairn , myocarditis inquest .
  
  These are issues relating to all New Zealanders in a profound way , but oh look a squirel , let’s talk constantly , obsessively about Kooky Christians .
  
  Aren’t we, the Media Pardy sooooooo virtuous and brave .
  
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  September 2, 2022 2:38pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Leaving aside all the God bit, Gloriavale works because communal living is cheaper than separate houses/meals. Free or free-ish labour helps too.
  
  I think what will do them in is their breeding rate. There are something like 3-4 kids per adult and they have only been going for one and a bit generations.
  
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  September 2, 2022 3:08pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    They get paired up at about 17-18 and there is no birth control so families of 10+ are not uncommon. So with a couple there are 10 kids and then 10 kids per couple so by the 3rd generation there are 100 great grand children. 4th 1000 etc etc
    
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    September 2, 2022 4:36pm
    - Colville
      
      That is a very shallow gene pool!
      
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      September 2, 2022 5:49pm
- MCōs
  
  You can be an apologist all you want for Gloriavale just so you can have a go at Stuff, but I would suggest you might like to look for a better example.
  Practically everything I’ve heard, read or seen about that place from its sex criminal founder onwards to the misogynistic behaviour of one of the male defectors is downright creepy.
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:41pm
thirteenstars

Andrew Bolt, Sky News Australia, interviewing Winston Peters yesterday about Maori co-governance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEl0GZfTHyQ

Peters spoke clearly, forcefully and plainly. I’m not a fan of his but in this regard he’s doing a far better job than National under Luxon, who we might have thought Bolt would have interviewed on the topic, but perhaps he was too busy learning his Te Reo.

Peters is Maori and absolutely nails the central reasons for the co-governance policy. If he keeps hammering this hard, NZF will perhaps secure seats in parliament, and if they do nothing else, along with ACT, of holding National’s feet to the fire over this, then they will have done this country a great service.
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September 2, 2022 2:27pm
- greybeard
  
  Do you think Peters is sincere?
  Maybe he has simply found a topic which polarises the voters, and is using it to get back into Government.
  I do not trust Jacinda and I do not trust Winston.
  
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  September 2, 2022 5:18pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    I think you take the man at his word that he’s firmly against co-governance.
    
    He stated clear and reasoned objections to it. I have no love for Peters but if you’re suggesting he’d resile from what is a fairly clear statement of belief, he’d have some explaining to do.
    
    Better to say it loudly as he has done than not.
    
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    September 2, 2022 5:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Electric Cars. Got this history from a Elon Musk type facebook post.
https://archive.curbed.com/2017/9/22/16346892/electric-car-history-fritchle?
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September 2, 2022 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No idea where and when they charged them – same as NZ I guess.
  
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  September 2, 2022 3:13pm
- cmm
  
  That isn’t even the earliest electric car. There were others in the 1800s – before the internal combustion engine was developed.
  
  Back then, as with now, the biggest problem is still that electrical energy transfer is way slower than liquid fuels.
  
  A Tesla “fast charger” can pump 120kW. A petrol bowser can do well over a hundred times that at 20MW or so, and the “fast filler” used for diesel trucks etc can do well over 200x that (50MW or so).
  
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  September 2, 2022 3:57pm
Paul Marsden

Seems like the leaked Interpol emails were genuine after all….

“Police seeking ‘mole’ who leaked sensitive email to right-wing blogger”
By David Fisher
2 Sep, 2022 02:06 PM
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September 2, 2022 3:16pm
- kowtow
  
  So he/she’s not a “whistle blower” who deserves protection and praise for revealing abuse of power and process .
  
  Just like the “rogue” MP.
  
  Who controls the language ,controls the argument.
  
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  September 2, 2022 3:55pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Police now leaking to a left wing reporter?
  
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  September 2, 2022 4:24pm
cmm

I am rather disappointed in New World’s latest vegetable gardening promotion failing to live up to their normally high standards of wokeness.

They have named all the vegetables: Cedric the Carrot etc.

KBers will be upset to learn:
* There is no Rangi the Kumara. Not even with Maori language week coming up!
* The Pak Choy is called Patrick. FFS! That’s cultural appropriation! Couldn’t they find a suitably chinky name? Chen the Pak Choy perhaps?
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September 2, 2022 3:52pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  paddy the potato
  
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  September 2, 2022 4:50pm
- MCōs
  
  I believe the word you’re intending in ‘Chinese’
  
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  September 2, 2022 7:58pm
Tom Hunter

Wonder if our host is going to post on this example of Biden maintaining “norms” because, wow – “Staging by Leni Riefenstahl” has it exactly right.

Come on Biden supporters. Tell us how much you love this new normality. Better yet, tell us what you’d think if Trump had ever staged a speech like this among all his rallies. Admittedly this is just an imbecilic, dementia-ridden old man saying what his handlers show him to say, so it’s probably them that America should be afraid of. Talk about projection.
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September 2, 2022 4:40pm
Ghost

When health is in such a mess should the minister in charge be heading overseas for a few weeks?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/nzsis-and-gcsb-minister-andrew-little-to-visit-all-five-eyes-partners.html

Minister for NZSIS and GCSB Andrew Little is set to visit all four other members of the Five Eyes intelligence partnership this month.
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September 2, 2022 5:33pm
- MCōs
  
  He’s away for 10 days, not a few weeks, unless he’s using one of those Defence Force planes.
  And there’s an Associate Min of Health back in NZ.
  
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  September 2, 2022 7:44pm
kevn

Great letter from the NZ Chiropractors Assn to those running the NZ covid programme. Challenging them with FACTS.
On BFD.
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September 2, 2022 6:02pm
- Ghost
  
  https://nzdsos.com/2022/08/31/chiropractors-challenge-propaganda/
  
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  September 2, 2022 6:18pm
mogg

Gerry Brownlee playing down Chinese torture of Uyghur Muslims, the man is an idiot, he should be out of parliament.
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September 2, 2022 6:33pm
greybeard

My call for tomorrow night’s test:
Argentina 24
NZ 22
Sam Cane replaced just after half time.
Argentina’s forwards dominant, and their goal kicker once again a winner.
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September 2, 2022 7:01pm
- blue collar
  
  Bang on greybeard ….. I’m calling a red or yellow card against us aswell , after a week of focusing on discipline
  
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  September 2, 2022 8:18pm

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