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CommanderC

Finally the truth is revealed — Ukrainian soldiers liberate the town of Balakliya in the Kharkiv region, after 6 months under Russian occupation.

The soldiers only speak Ukrainian.
The townsfolk only speak Russian.

The evil Putin and his fifth columnist muppet puppets around the world would have you believe that the Ukrainian-speakers were oppressing the Russian-speakers.

Well have a look at the body language and listen to the tones of the voices here…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rwUPZi278
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September 10, 2022 8:08am
- Jack5
  
  Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian languages are fairly close. Both use Cyrillic letters though there are minor differences in their alphabets.
  
  They are closer than English and Maori, even with the latter’s vast number of borrowings and adaptations from English.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:20am
- rangitoto
  
  The HIMARS have broken the Russian lines. Precision hits on logistics, command posts and armour concentrations.
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:30am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yesterday on KB I was accused of being crass saying the republicans would soon come out of the woodwork. I was right. Already the tattooed woman from the Maori Party and former PM Bolger have come out of the blocks. Others will soon follow.
  We will have to choose between the tried and proven Democractic Constitutional Monarchy of New Zealand with King Charles III as our Head of State or the untried and unproven Socialist Republic of Aotearoa with a Hard Left President.
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:54am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I think the idea is that the president would be sort of like the president of India – head of state rather than head of government.
    
    from Wikipedia – “president of India” –
    
    all of the executive powers vested in the president are, in practice, exercised by the prime minister (a subordinate authority) with the advice of the Cabinet Ministers.[3] The president is bound by the constitution to act on the advice of the prime minister and cabinet as long as the advice does not violate the constitution.
    
    Sounds a bit like the G-G … has worked OK for them since 1950
    
    Or we can continue to have a 70-some brit as head of state in-name-only – selected on the basis of who his parents were …. A nice chap even …
    
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    December 10, 2021 11:40am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      If they want a Republic they will have to do several things before people vote on it
      
      1 What the Constitution says
      
      2 What type of Head of State do we get. A Nominal HoS like Germany, India etc
      
      OR
      
      A Head of State who is voted in and has Powers akin to the US or France
      
      3 If the Former how is that HoS appointed.
      
      4 NO retired Politicians of people who have held Office in a Political Party can be appointed or stand for election as the HoS
      
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      September 10, 2022 12:40pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        If the Former how is that HoS appointed.
        
        Analysis of who was his/her mother and where he/she went to school plus leaked stories about how he wished he was a tampon …. 🙂
        
        https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/a34736481/tampongate-scandal-the-crown/
        
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        December 10, 2020 5:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        What you say is interesting. When Aust had a referendum on becoming a Republic, the thing that allegedly defeated it was that the President would be nominated by the Govt. That was a disaster for aspiring Republicans.
        However, if the President is determined by the people via democratic means (One person, one vote), there is a very grave risk that we will get a real fuckwit as President, very much in the same manner as we choose NZer of the Year. And for that reason, I’m definitely not in favour of becoming a Republic.
        Republic (noun) a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
        I’m very much in favour of retaining the Monarchy.
        
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        September 10, 2022 1:26pm
      - Taieri
        
        there is a very grave risk that we will get a real fuckwit as President, very much in the same manner as we choose NZer of the Year.
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        New Zealander of the Year is selected by an independent panel of the Respected Executive Judges. There’s no reason why the same Panel couldn’t select our next President. Dr Ashley Bloomfield immediately comes to mind as the most suitable candidate with Professor Siouxsie Wiles as their Co-President. The other Co-Presidents representing the Maori and Rainbow Communities should be selected at the same time.
        
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        September 10, 2022 2:30pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Not that long ago NZers made it clear that they wanted to hold onto their flag. This was a tacit confirmation of this countries fundamental link to its roots including the British commonwealth.
    
    Activists will agitate. There are those that would like to separate NZ from its historical roots to the British isles. The Commies particularly would like to break this link and the link that the Monarchy has to the Church, just look at the way Helen Clarke rejected knighthoods to see what they think.
    
    This country was founded on the bedrock of the British empire, its Monarchy, laws, institutions, Churches. As well as the hard work of all its different people. While this has its flaws the country has generally prospered and it’s citizens have enjoyed increasing standards of living as the years have gone by. It has been a place desirable for peoples of many nations to seek a better life for themselves and their kin. A nation blessed by peace.
    
    So I say to the activists, there is nothing to suggest and plenty of examples that show a new system will not improve our lot. The Marxist authoritarian drive of the past 5 years has been detrimental to our nation. We are regressing and all of us are worse off in material, emotional, relational, spiritual, ways than we were before. We need to return to the tried and true.
    
    You can’t prove to me your New World Order is beneficial. We don’t want it. Leave us alone! If you don’t like our ways, then bugger off somewhere else.
    
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    September 10, 2022 12:42pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      the bedrock of the British empire
      
      They came here to take the place over – call it settlement, colonisation, whatever. They didn’t come to make it a better place for the people who already lived here.
      
      The British Empire was expanded in the 1800’s to gain territories, markets and profits. Some of the places they took over had enough organised indigenous (non-British) folk to eventually toss them out eg most of Africa, Burma, India and the Caribbean. Some (NZ, Australia, Canada) didn’t. It is what it is.
      
      If you think our head of state should be a random English aristocrat whose claim is based on who his mother was … I guess it’s a free country.
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:33pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        We could create the post of president – head of state – sort of like the G-G, then have an election of some sort and have the King of England as one of the candidates. He should be a shoo-in 🙂
        
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        September 10, 2022 5:39pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Whatever the intention the foundations of our country have been good for Maori too. Just look at the advances they got in lifespan, education, rule of law, protection from other tribes etc etc
        
        Yes there are things that could have been better, not just for Maori but for the Chinese, Dalmatians, Indians, Irish, Scots, lower classes etc. But the thing with envy activism is in the pursuit of equality you impoverish everybody by getting rid of the greater good with the bad. Just look at what happened when the Romans left the Brits/Picts to themselves. It took over 1000 years for them to pull out of their savagery with the civilising influence of the Vikings and Christianity.
        
        The Monarchy is not just a random person, foremost it is an institution that is part of the overall system of British empire. Charles might be a complete Wally but the system under him provides stability.
        
        Compared to your new Communist regime, which we have tasted under Jacinda and rule by Covid, I will take the institution of Monarchy. Start your banana republic someplace else Ian.
        
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        September 10, 2022 6:11pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    A bit hysterical, last man, not like you. Fine if your view is to keep the British monarch as our head of state; others will have different views.
    
    King Charles is no less “untried” than any other model, and to suggest that, simply because we might have a different head of state, that automatically means socialism, a formal name-change for the country, and a “Hard Left” President is drawing three very long bows.
    
    In reality, we’ll get the system we choose, and the leaders we choose. I give the New Zealand voting public a little bit more credit than you evidently do, but next year’s general election will show if my faith is misplaced, or not.
    
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    September 10, 2022 12:54pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Loddenthinks – just look at 35% still voting labour and tell me how your optimistic outlook is holding up. We will get the outcome we deserve rather than the one we need. What’s in it for me is the predominant factor at the vote. So the party driving us into poverty while giving handouts wins every time over the one saying work hard and prosper.
      
      My heart hopes you are right, but my head says you’re not.
      
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      September 10, 2022 1:31pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Polls show voting intentions but are not the same as votes in the ballot box – we won’t know the numbers until after the election. The problem with socialism and all those “free” handouts is that eventually you run out of other peoples’ money (hat-tip Maggy T), and I trust middle New Zealand to wake the f*ck up in time. We’ll see.
        
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        September 10, 2022 2:20pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        We will get the outcome we deserve rather than the one we need.
        
        Who needs any of this democracy shit when Pineapple Lumps is there to guide us? 🙂
        
        So PL, will you be out there working to elect a new government or will you just be grumping on KB?
        
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        September 10, 2022 5:42pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Ian – that’s useful advice, you’ve encouraged me to work harder to change this government- but you’ve missed my main point. People bribed for short-term gains will find it hard to vote for something that removes their bribe.
        
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        September 10, 2022 6:17pm
    - Handyman
      
      Lose the King and we get “The Democratic Republic of Aotearoa” with Helen Clark as President and an upper house called the council of chiefs.
      
      The huge advantage of the monarchy is that is far away from New Zealand. It prevents anyone else assuming that role. For that reason alone it is invaluable.
      
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      September 10, 2022 10:03pm
- Ra Henare
  
  I think the quote
  One swallow doesnt make a summer
  
  As true today as it was in 1539.
  One clip of 3 citizens greeting Soldiers is such a swallow
  
  We have no context.
  eg They might have just saved a cat from being up a tree… 🙂 🙂
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:27pm
  - Colville
    
    Saved a cat from a tree…
    
    With a well aimed high velocity 7.62mm projectile?
    
    🙂
    
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    September 10, 2022 3:45pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Don’t waste a 762 round – a .22 would do.
      
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      September 10, 2022 4:50pm
- Alex
  
  Slava Ukraini General C,
  Darth Putin has had it. Russians left equipment behind in haste to get away from Ukrainians. In Balakliya and Izyum. HIMERS worked.
  Supply hubs taken.
  Who is next?
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:06am
CommanderC

Translation:

R – Well done guys. Oh, Lord! We have fritters, we cooked them.

[spot the AT-4 (?) anti-tank casually propped up against the bench at the 4 second mark]

U – Everything is fine, everything is fine. [dobre = Ukrainian]

R – Oh my god!

U – Control everything.

R – Well done guys, well done! [maladtsi = Russian]

U – Everything is fine.

R – We sang “Kalyna” today about you. [sevodnya = today in Russian]

U – Thank you, thanks [Dyakuyu = Ukrainian]

[is that a M72 LAW anti-tank bazooka at the 16 second mark on the steps?]

– We prayed half of the year for you to come back! We no longer had the strength.

– We have our kids and grandkids with us.

– We stayed here. Thank you for coming to us.

U – Just in case, please stay in the basement, because there may still be shelling. We are here now, everything is ok now.

R – Thank you, guys. [spasiba = Russian]

U – It’s ok now.

R – We have fritters left, will you have them?

U – Little later, little later.
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September 10, 2022 8:20am
kowtow

It’s astounding that the Herald is calling for a full and transparent review of the covid response, saying too the media has sought answers throughout the pandemic and even going so far as to say the two ( Nortland breach) women were vilified .

Yet their front page headline on 9/10 /2021 was “Deceitful visit costs Northland”.

They relentlessly pushed the covid narrative and gleefully published page after page of their 90 % project .

Today covid reporting gets a mere eight lines on page 5 under ” In brief”.

How times have changed and so has the media narrative that led to the enabling of such unprecedented draconianism.

If there is a review then the shocking role of the Media Pardy needs very careful scrutinising too.
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September 10, 2022 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  What, a Commission of Enquiry into media bias with Terms of Reference written, peer-reviewed and managed by Willie Jackson? You must be joking!
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:34am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The time for the enquiry will be after next year’s election, obviously.
    
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    September 10, 2022 12:56pm
- redeye
  
  Has Cindy lost Tova?
  https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/opinion/2022/09/tova-obrien-government-masterclass-how-to-cover-your-ass.html
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:40am
  - Colville
    
    It’s not even a wet bus ticket but it’s hardly fawning idolisation either.
    
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    September 10, 2022 8:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    Tova O’Brien – Government Masterclass: How to cover your ass
    
    Someone should tell Tova that an Ass is a thing with four legs and pointy ears used to carry heavily pregnant virgins over the desert when in search of a pub. What she’s referring to is spelled Arse.
    
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    September 10, 2022 8:58am
    - R
      
      Yep Americans say “ass”. Presumably, “arse” is too rude for our sensitive minds!
      
      But she is right when she says the following:
      
      I asked Hipkins Office to direct me to his comments from the time making it clear there was a clerical error. They sent me this single interview from RNZ.
      
      He never once clarifies that the woman didn’t provide false information – he lets it be said again and doesn’t correct it and by doing so, he reinforces it.
      
      This isn’t the only time the government used half-baked false information during covid to justify its botch-ups.
      
      Remember the KFC worker the Prime Minister publicly criticised for not isolating who turned not to have been given any official advice to isolate?
      
      Or what about the two Wellington women who were given bereavement leave? Ashley Bloomfield said categorically they hadn’t met with anyone else on their trip – he stated it as fact. Turns out they had.
      
      Not good enough. Putting false information out to the public like this erodes trust in the government.
      
      It’s either sloppy or wilfully dishonest.
      
      Neither are attributes we want from a government.
      
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      September 10, 2022 9:16am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’ll go with the It’s either sloppy or wilfully dishonest.
        
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        September 10, 2022 9:25am
      - Matt Long
        
        I’d go with: it’s sloppy and wilfully dishonest.
        
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        September 10, 2022 9:45am
      - pdm
        
        Nick – you can probably drop the sloppy.
        
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        September 10, 2022 9:46am
      - R
        
        But if it was sloppy, surely an apology would be quickly forthcoming? The fact there has been no apology suggests wilful dishonesty. Indeed, Hipkins publicly apologised to Charlotte Bellis reportedly after months of legal wrangling. No one should need to consult a lawyer over an honest mistake. A retraction and apology should be sufficient.
        
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        September 10, 2022 9:46am
      - artemisia
        
        Apology and some compensation. Fortunately for Minister Hipkins compo would be paid by taxpayers. He does however carry the stain on his integrity.
        
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        September 10, 2022 10:35am
    - AitchW
      
      Up until relatively recently the English pronunciation of ‘ass’ was, in fact, ‘arse’. Americans, being American and having a penchant for bastardising English, chose to pronounce it ‘ass’. That pronunciation has spread to most of the English speaking world. You will find that a small number of Englishmen, predominantly the very plummy uppercrust, still pronounce ‘ass’ as ‘arse’.
      
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      September 10, 2022 2:57pm
  - Jim
    
    Wow, is that Tova yanking on the handbrake?
    
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    September 10, 2022 1:19pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I posted on it a few days ago, the jersey changing is underway. Watch the pace pick up as the leeches and shills in the media realise their free lunch is coming to an end. They won’t be forgotten, pretty much everything has been saved by someone, somewhere.
      
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      September 10, 2022 8:46pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She’s making a joke/pun referring to Labour covering for their Ass Ardern
    
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    September 10, 2022 2:04pm
- mogg
  
  Top priority all that Covid debt, where did the money go?
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:08am
- Surely Knott
  
  Facebook issues a warning if you click on a link to RT times saying“ This link is from a publisher Facebook believes may be partially or wholly under the editorial control of the Russian government”. Lol. I wonder why there’s not similar warnings for Nzherald, Stuff and the Spin-off.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:19am
- alloytoo
  
  Herald wants it done and dusted before a new government comes along
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:23am
  - mawm
    
    They want Jacinda to set the terms of reference.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:28am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129835113/the-queen-versus-covid-labours-chance-at-a-reset-hits-royal-snag?cid=app-android

Malpass makes a very good point that Queenies passing really pulls the rug out from under poor Jacinda and her Covid reset that is due for announcement next week.
UN visit also likely to be canned.
Such a pity 😀
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September 10, 2022 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  Col, I am surprised at the unflattering comments about Jacinda and the diabolical traffic light system. Stuff comments (when allowed) is normally the nesting place of socialists but I sense a definite change of attitude. The adoration of Ardern seems to have dissolved.
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:57am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    From the last few years of unadulterated adulation (including mass restriction of any critical comments), $tuff can see the wind is changing so are now having a bob each way until the next election
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:24am
  - pdm
    
    Inandout – do you think we might be able to contest climate change soon?
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:48am
    - oldfella
      
      pdm: come on, man, why would anyone contest climate change when the science is settled? //
      
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      September 10, 2022 10:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s not a change of attitude, it’s cowards and rats jumping ship. Watch and listen and be amazed in the coming months when you talk to the Branch Covidians in the coming months claiming how “I knew all along it wasn’t like they were telling us, I didn’t say anything but I knew.”
    Bullshit.
    
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    September 10, 2022 8:49pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  We are in the cycle of announcements about announcements regarding the review of the pandemic management so the QEII situation means the roll back of the traffic light system ie the marking of Jacindas victory over the virus, V day for the pandemic will have to be delayed to after the mourning period
  I expect the V day celebration to be announced for a date near the end of September.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:19am
  - oldfella
    
    Pineapple: at the same time, Jacinda will announce the date for an announcement of the ‘conversation’ she promised non-iwi (the rest of us) re go-governance.
    The same conversation a previous announcement promised would happen later in 2022.
    
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    September 10, 2022 10:12am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Oldfella – do you think she will follow that up by then being a PM for all NZers and being kind too?
      
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      September 10, 2022 11:42am
      - oldfella
        
        Yep, yep, Pineapple Lumps. At the same time she will recommitting to never telling a lie.
        Yep, yep, that’ll work a treat.
        
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        September 10, 2022 11:54am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t worry she will persuade the UN to wait for her !
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:06am
- thirteenstars
  
  Oh, not to worry, I’m sure. With Woke Charles on the throne, he’ll be pushing his Net Zero/Green agenda and his mates at the WEF, of which Ardern is an official “Young Global Leader”, will find much succor as the new king gives his tacit support to policies that make life harder and less affordable for his loyal subjects.
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The article is all about how poor Jacinda’s plans to try and recover some political capital by freeing the sheeple from the Covid restrictions have been cruelly derailed by the unfortunate – not to say inconsiderate – untimely death of our Head of State.
  
  It’s no wonder she’s so narcissistic, her bought-and-paid-for media lackeys are very much enabling it.
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:13pm
Nukuleka

Before anyone gets too excited about the prospect of New Zealand now becoming a republic might I caution our erstwhile republicans about unintended consequences. If any of us are concerned about the current emerging racial separatism in our nation, just wait till the power- grabbing proponents of apartheid get stuck into the fine constitutional details of The Republic of Aotearoa. Be very careful what you wish for, republicans!
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September 10, 2022 8:29am
- Paulus
  
  Understand papers circulating in Wellington titled
  “Tu Wehe Aotearoa”
  Guess what tha means.
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    Buggered if I know or care Paulus.
    
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    September 10, 2022 8:59am
    - Sideoiler
      
      You should care, it is because many don’t that the current and previous governments have done what they have done.
      
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      September 10, 2022 10:00am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Tu = to stand, take place, set in place, establish, hold, convene
    Wehe = to separate, divide, detach
    = to leave, depart
    = to reserve, subdivide, set aside
    
    Presumably “Tu Wehe Aotearoa” means something like:
    
    Establishing a Separate [state of] Aotearoa
    
    “Wehe” can also mean “to [fill with] delight” so in Maori this word for “division” might have a positive connotation.
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:56am
- amospicton
  
  I don’t think there’s any chance the government will push to become a republic. The current strategy is co-governance by stealth ie to ram it through with no real debate, with no electoral mandate and the MSM ignoring the issue. As a republic the TOW is null and void and all our constitutional arrangements would need to be rewritten. That means the citizens of the country would have a say and on that basis co-governance would be dead.
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree..
    
    A Republic of NZ/Aotearoa/ those islands at the bottom of the world would involve all the peoples of NZ.
    
    A Republic would only work if it was clear that all citizens share equal rights irrespective of the time their forebears arrived on our shores.
    
    Anything else would be an Ethnostate.
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:00am
  - Spam
    
    Unfortunately, I think this is rather optimistic thinking. You really think the prols would get a say?
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:07am
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  I see your point. I think we would need to build a kind of national infrastructure base before such a change could happen, and our Arts base is woefully weak and inept, to the point of self-harm. How often have you thought “wouldn’t it be great if we had a competent, independent & vigorous media that could provide answers about this “? How often have you thought ” this so-called academic is a moron/party appointment/faux science specialist”?
  The rot took a long time to happen. It won’t be quickly or easily cut out, if at all.
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:45am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    It’s been called “the Long March through the institutions” for good reason.
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:25am
- Nickc2
  
  For once, I agree with you.
  Don’t be surprised if a move into Republicanism is included in 3Waters Legislation though eh?
  
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  September 10, 2022 8:46am
  - dubya
    
    Three Waters is more interested in feudalism, than a democratic republic.
    
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    September 10, 2022 8:55am
    - Nickc2
      
      I don’t recall the word ‘Democratic’ being mentioned in relation to Aotearoa’s move away from the Commonwealth. The ramifications of such would make the transition impossible.
      
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      September 10, 2022 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    And a new revised Treaty of Waitangi – now drated and totally re written by Palmer & Co.
    
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    September 10, 2022 10:08am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Just checking – it’s OK to discuss our future system of government today, but yesterday it caused your head to explode? I think your exact words were “Fuck off. Not the fucking place nor the fucking time.”
  
  The UK is into 10 days of mourning, most professional sport (EPL, cricket, golf, racing etc) have all been called off today, yet here you are discussing a republic!
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:20pm
Gravelroad

@kowtow-
Perhaps the government’s media subsidies for support and service are running low…….
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September 10, 2022 8:32am
- Yvette
  
  The last two rounds of current “journalism” funding – administeredthrough NZ ON AIR (with their “Treaty relevant filter” – appear to run through to the combination of RNZ and TVNZ next June or July when NZ ON AIR may have a different role, as may do the general media.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:05am
  - Jack5
    
    Yvette, you haven’t included the $40 million for Maori media.
    
    Wily-Willy Jackson, the Minister of Broadcasting and Media and, significantly, of Maori Development said on Wednesday, the $40 million is:
    
    ” … to support Maori media to transition to a new public media environment and prepare it to increasingly deliver a fuller range of Māori content.
    
    The heading on his Ministerial release was: “Government future-proofs Maori media”.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-future-proofs-m%C4%81ori-media
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:29am
Maggie Pie

THE GREAT RESET 🙁

“I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England. The man that controls Britian’s money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply”

– Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild

https://twitter.com/FourmiPrepper/status/1568081725808328706
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September 10, 2022 8:50am
- Matt Long
  
  Sounds like an antisemitic trope to me.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yeah, well….
    
    https://twitter.com/NathanMCline74/status/1568073470411476992
    
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    September 10, 2022 10:18am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Anti-Semitic – but no mention of Rothchilds ancestry in this thread…
    
    I understand the Jewish people are targeted for much hate. They are envied for the material and spiritual blessings they enjoy. But claiming this quote is anti-Semitic could be a little like TPM calling Racist in Parliament.
    
    Did he say the quote or not?
    Do you agree it isn’t a good thing for someone behind the scenes to have control of our government?
    Metaphorical reference to WEF Claus Schwab – agree or disagree with the power he is exerting on the world today?
    
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    September 10, 2022 7:45pm
- mogg
  
  The Rothschilds great Capitalists and philanthropists, now we live in a time when hard work and business acumen has been replaced by victimhood, handouts and nepotism.
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:50pm
In Vino Veritas

And of course, the oppressed and dispossessed African and other coloured Americans have set to on the Queen. Terrible oppressor, led genocidal family, colonial rapists etc etc. All the while saying so from their nice job and nice house in America. In a place and a position they would never have been able to dream about from their mud hut and 3 cows they would have had if it hadn’t been for colonialism. Came to America as slaves, and it was terrible. But it is almost certain that they were sold into slavery by their own. They always forget inter tribal warfare, slaughter, enslavement when it comes to their own history. Just like Maori in NZ.
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September 10, 2022 8:58am
- Inandout
  
  IVV, you are correct about how the slaves were originally sold. It began with the Arab traders who approached the African tribal chiefs and for a fee asked the chief to choose the best and fittest of their tribe for sale. The then declared slaves were then transported by ship to distant countries. It should be noted that even today Arabs have scant regard for black Africans.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:14am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The European slavers seldom ventured into the interior of Africa after they started getting wiped out by various diseases In. The slaves were bought to them on the beaches by black africans. They were either selling their own, or selling those captured from other tribes. So when African Americans wail and whine about slaving in America, they should take a good, long hard look at how their ancestors actually ended up in America. It wasn’t because Africa was a great place to live at the time.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:44am
- alloytoo
  
  They ignore of course that QE2’s Navy was combatting slavery on the high seas for a century before she was crowned.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:29am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    A v high proportion of the UK’s Defence Budget was spent on suppressing slavery.
    
    The year after Waterloo, 1816, there was a British/Dutch Fleet that bombarded Algiers to stop slavery. This was under the command of Edward Pellew.
    
    The W African Squadron was considered almost a Death Sentence for those serving there owing to the Tropical Diseases.
    
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    September 10, 2022 10:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

추석 잘 보내세요!
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September 10, 2022 9:08am
- Nickc2
  
  I trust it’s better than the 4th of July.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Wonder whether they celebrate this autumn festival in North Korea, too?
    
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    September 10, 2022 9:31am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, they do.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Fvwdzx5l0
      
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      September 10, 2022 9:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It would be much better food than 4th July. 😀
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:10am
- oldfella
  
  추석 잘 보내세요!
  
  Maggy, how can I be expected to understand this if you don’t provide a te reo translation? 😉
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    죄송합니다.
    
    There’s no C in the Maori Alphabet… so I can’t translate Chuseok.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:55am
kevn

@Maggy… kimchee thanks.
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September 10, 2022 9:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The GOP don’t need to wake up, the left need to wake us and see the damage done by Biden.
Only two years and look at the state of the place.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/new-poll-shows-gop-still-behind-trump-in-2024-even-if-hes-charged-with-a-crime/?
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September 10, 2022 9:24am
Lee C

Consider this:
The very things that have enabled the Govermnent to succed in its grand deception will be the same things that will destroy them.

Yeah.
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September 10, 2022 9:30am
Ghost

Amazing, council comes up with a redevelopment plan to cost rate payers $24 million in 2019, it now sits at close to $60 million. I wonder if councils understand where the money is coming from.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/129833899/timaru-district-council-confirms-theatre-royal-cost-blowout

A potential cost blowout to almost $60 million for the Theatre Royal and Heritage Hub re-development has forced the Timaru District Council to rethink its options.
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September 10, 2022 9:45am
Pineapple Lumps

How to drive your radical ideology through a nation

Two years ago I was job hunting. All adverts for Government work had the requirement, must subscribe to the principles of partnership under the TOW. Not being a believer in those principles meant that I automatically would not apply for those jobs. Therefore people being employed into our public service are agreeing to abide by this set of terms. In effect it means that the public service subscribe to an ideology that most NZers don’t agree with. A very effective way of getting the public service driving radical ideology not desired by the populous.

The Government has set this ideology in place now for the education system – so teachers are obligated to present this position to pupils. The indoctrination of our young people is now in full force.

The Public Interest Journalist fund makes this radical ideology a key component for the Media to access funding and for the journalists that are recruited via this funding. So our media has been bought into subscription to this radical ideology.

By making this radical ideology a tenant for participation in these systems it empowers the radicals, excludes and isolated those strongly opposed to the ideology. It has been an extremely clever piece of activism that the radicals have achieved without debate or democratic consent.

So the majority opposed to this radical ideology now sit outside the system. Watching in disbelief as a radical ideology becomes more and more entrenched into the structures, laws, and minds of the country.

The most powerful place for change is in our minds. The worldview we hold and the ideologies we subscribe to are internal, but the fruit they bear are all external. The mind is the battleground in life where the ideology that wins dictates the way the future plays out.

If ACT NATs come to power next year, do you think they are going to actively drive out this radical ideology? I truely hope that they would, but suspect they will engross themselves in economic management and miss that we need them to get the barbarians out of our laws, schools, media, public institutions and our minds.
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September 10, 2022 9:47am
- Nickc2
  
  Come on Wiston, your move! You enabled all this crap.
  
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  September 10, 2022 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “All adverts for Government work had the requirement, must subscribe to the principles of partnership under the TOW”
  
  Call it whatever you like, I call it “Racist”
  Be interested in replies explaining why and how it is not ‘Racist’
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    After more than six hours, nobody is up to answering the question “Call it whatever you like, I call it “Racist”
    Be interested in replies explaining why and how it is not ‘Racist’
    Yep, nothing. All the chickens have gone to the henhouse to ask the Cock what should they do.
    
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    September 10, 2022 4:45pm
- Yvette
  
  And for your consideration –
  
  1 – Ardern promised a “national conversation” on “co-governance” –
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
  – but “3 Waters” legislation, involving “co-governance” is already progressing through Parliament
  
  2 – while some question “co-governance” at the level of the four regional entities yet to be established, Tipa Mahuta now chairs the Maori Advisory Council which controls Taumata Arowai,
  which will dictate to the Four Entities edicts on matters relating to te Ao o Maori, –”Maori world view” – regarding water.
  Taumata Arowai has been up and running – un-announce, for obvious reasons – since mid-November last year
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:46am
  - RockyJ
    
    So why has the consultation with the general public not begun?
    
    In the Newshub article it says consultation with Maori on cogovernance was complete. Where is there a summary of what Maori want? My guess is that their demands were so outrageous even the silly Jacinda Ardern is too scared to place their demands before the public.
    
    My guess is that cogovernance will disappear from the government’s agenda in the hope we will forget how close we came to losing democracy by the next election
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:06am
    - Yvette
      
      Willie Jackson is delaying taking a draft United Nations’ Declaration Plan to Cabinet because he knows ministers won’t support it
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jackson-not-comfortable-with-co-governance-draft
      
      So far it seems Willie (“democracy has changed”) Jackson is still to present a watered down report back from the Maori ēlite to Cabinet.
      Ask Christopher Luxon where Ardern’s promised “conversation” is.
      National and ACT are, after all, the Opposition.
      
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      September 10, 2022 11:32am
      - Jack5
        
        🦊 Wily-Willie Jackson’s wiliness.
        
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        September 10, 2022 12:05pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The most Open, Honest, and Transparent Govt eh?
    Pigs arse! The most corrupt, devious, and secretive Govt ever more like.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Some public servants just go through the motions. But many will be driven out.
  
  I commented last week about the number of world class discussion papers published by the Treasury from the mid 90s through to 2017. Now mostly stopped. My understanding is that from the mid 60s, Treasury sent many staff to top American universities to do post graduate work. These economists formed the backbone of thinking and advice for 30 years.
  
  I spoke to a retired Treasury official last year who had gone to MIT in the 1980s. He said all that has long gone.
  
  If you look at the Treasury website now most of the discussion documents are on the Treaty partnership and wellbeing.
  
  This should be of the greatest concern. It would take a new CE and at least a decade to turn it around.
  
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  September 10, 2022 11:04am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    “Some public servants just go through the motions. But many will be driven out.”
    
    Ben – I agree. Many, many good teachers have left the profession, others are still sticking it out.
    
    I feel profound sorrow for the good people who stay in those systems. Every day going to work watching the Activists pushing their barrows and having to knot true self up to avoid being cancelled completely.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:52am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    It will take a change of Government.
    
    Like all government departments Treasury is working for and to the Government of the Day. That is a requirement of the Public Service rule of neutrality. That Treasury is producing the requested and desired product (economic or fiscal discussion papers on wellbeing and Treaty partnership) has no relationship to the individuals employed by Treasury, or their personal politics. You might find that the majority of staff who are Treasury economists personally don’t agree. However, their personal political views should be reserved for out of work hours.
    
    The Minister of Finance will, at the beginning of this Labour Government, have set out his policy priorities in a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury, as all Ministers with portfolios do. Treasury, like all other government departments, will then have been tasked accordingly.
    
    There will be 3-5 priorities in the prioritisation letter. Two of these you have listed above: “well-being” and “Treaty Partnership”.
    
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    September 10, 2022 12:04pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “You might find that the majority of staff who are Treasury economists personally don’t agree. However, their personal political views should be reserved for out of work hours.”
      
      I am not sure. I think it is likely that all the top performers have left. Why would they stay?
      
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      September 10, 2022 1:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Out of work hours?’ equals life job – unless the NZ swamp is drained.
        I know many in our say ‘circle’ who never have plans to leave – until the day after turning 65
        
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        September 10, 2022 4:52pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I think you will find that the average tenure at the Treasury is about 7 years.
        
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        September 10, 2022 5:05pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        There’s a fair amount of pushback from officials to Ministers and it’s growing.
        
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        September 13, 2022 2:54am
blue collar

(Mod – go read the comments policy https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy)
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September 10, 2022 9:54am
- blue collar
  
  Gotcha . Cheers mod .
  
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  September 10, 2022 10:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Being snarky to the moderators is not a winning strategy. 😒
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:06am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Good for you Blue – More integrity than Chris Hipkins right there!
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:53am
R

Meanwhile, the murderer of Juliana Bonilla Herrera was on parole at the time he murdered her.

With his plea, it can be revealed that the 35-year-old was on parole, having nearly finished his jail term for the brutal rape of a woman nearly eight years earlier. In releasing him, the Parole Board assessed Brider as a high risk of violent offending and moderately high risk of sexual offending.

“A considerable amount of work has been done by, and with, Mr Brider to present a comprehensive release proposal. While there is risk, it is the board’s view that the risk is not undue.”

The risk is not undue…will board members resign for getting it so horribly wrong? What changes will be made in order to prevent a similar tragedy in the future?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129440854/the-monster-who-took-pleasure-from-inflicting-pain-on-others
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September 10, 2022 9:58am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  That is disturbing reading on many levels.
  So awful for the innocent woman.
  The state really should be accountable.
  You would think Ministers atop the structure would be so much more affected by this, you would hope, and they would move heaven and earth to try and prevent such things happening.
  Open and shut stuff like this really should be a hanging. A slow-style of hanging. I would kick out the chair myself.
  
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  September 10, 2022 11:27am
  - oldfella
    
    FD: I would be okay with him getting the max – ‘life in prison’ without ANY chance of parole.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:48am
- godruelf
  
  I assume under the recently repealed legislation this would have been Strike 2
  
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  September 10, 2022 5:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Where is the integrity of the Parole Board? And if those snivelling lackies not do the honourable thing, then why has the Minister not fired them?
  
  Where, o where, is accountability?
  
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  September 10, 2022 5:54pm
Littletramp

Watch the media go into overdrive promoting and selling King Charles to us now.
He is a World Economic Forum senior advocate and “climate change” salesman to his eyeballs. There is no way Jacinda Ardern would move against him (move for us to become any sort of Republic) as they are both on the same team.
Only problem for Charles is we know him and his many flaws inside out now, and he is not a patch on his mother in any sense.
If Charles could read the room and had put self interest aside, he would have put William on the throne immediately, the English would embrace that modern upgrade, and the monarchy would have lifted to new heights.
This reign will be a train wreck (maybe the end of the commonwealth) and they have missed a huge opportunity.
RIP Queen Elizabeth.
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September 10, 2022 10:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Charlie couldnt put William up instead of himself the Constitution forbids it. The path would be for Charlie to be crowned and then abdicate like Edward did in the mid 1930s. And there is no way after serving a 70 year plus apprenticeship Charlie was ever going to do that. If he lives as long as the Queen he has 22 years to reign. By then William will be 62 and have around 30 years if he lives to mid 90s. George will be around 60 at that time and have around 30 plus years. I doubt there will be a 70 year reign for a long long time. Thats the beauty about the Monarchy. Already we can see ahead for almost a century as to the future Kings. Cant do that with Presidents. You dont know when the next Trump will be along.
  
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  September 10, 2022 11:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I agree. Charles was never going to miss out. Because as you note he would have needed to abdicate. He would have been ‘king for a day’, and that would have brought back the whole Edward disaster back into focus.
    
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    September 10, 2022 11:24am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Charles has been waiting a long time to get his hands on the finances. It has long been a bugbear that he was beholden to Mother for his income and it wasn’t able to sustain quite the jetsetting life he felt entitled too. No way Charlie is giving that up now.
      
      My impression is QEII believed it was her duty to serve the Office, her commonwealth, her people. Rather than it serve her.
      
      Which way round it is for Charles remains to be seen.
      
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      September 10, 2022 12:00pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not so. As Duke of Cornwall, Charles has had a private income of GBP10-20m for many years now.
        
        Having waited all his life for the role, there’s no way he is going to turn it down – and why should he?
        
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        September 10, 2022 5:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Little, if Charles looks at this clip he may realise how bloody hypocritical vegans can be, especially the destructive ones.
  https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/piers-morgan-responds-to-big-ben-vegan-protester-by-eating-big-mac/ar-AA11AsKy
  
  I don’t worry if he hugs trees as we all have different ways of taking in the beauty of such plants. The responsibilities of the Crown will have been spelled out clearly by the late Queen.
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:23pm
- Ian Boag
  
  he would have put William on the throne immediately, the English would embrace that modern upgrade, and the monarchy would have lifted to new heights.
  
  Not that we should give a stuff – Wills seems to be a nice enough chap who knows how to fly a chopper. We don’t know much else about him. Three kids and a wife who also seems pleasant enough. All because of who his parents were.
  
  There is probably some way that all of this is relevant for us here in NZ but I haven’t figured out how these new heights might be good for us ….
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:45pm
- C-Town
  
  Not sure if William would be any better though
  
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  September 10, 2022 2:23pm
blue collar

Great to see the Maori protesters cleaned out at mr messenger TARANAKI .
Holding up a new road to replace a deadly slip prone stretch .
Already settled with the local mob and land swap , this lot were ya token gonna cause trouble just coz might get a buck on a looong bow of it’s my land too .
Cops rocked up , gave em an hours warning n then cleaned em out .
Already been 3 years of holdups with local iwi n enviro mob n private landowners .
Finally , can get the gear in to build it .
Can’t help but think if they did this at ihumato we’d hv housing by now .
Mind you , the cynic in me notes this a govt project , NZTA , bit different for fletchers on private land
Anyway , good stuff , good to see tax dollars helping productivity
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September 10, 2022 10:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What is it with these Maori protesters? The road has been consented. The conditions include extensive works to protect habitats, planting thousands of new native trees. Plus the local iwi was given land.
  
  This is an example of what makes the proposed replacement of the RMA so terrifying. Maori will have vetoes over such projects.
  
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  September 10, 2022 11:19am
- artemisia
  
  Ihumatao, yep housing by now including some for older local Maori.
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just got reminded that tomorrow is 9/11. 21 years.
Some videos are hard to watch, and I am mentally strong.
Never forget
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September 10, 2022 11:38am
- Ghost
  
  I thought you’d be on bitchute watching my son hunter
  
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  September 10, 2022 11:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ?
    
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    September 10, 2022 12:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ghost, I have no idea what that means.
      Prob something simple that stupid me missed
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:07pm
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/2DFlcsHhaxFG/
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I will come back to that this afternoon. Thanks
        
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        September 11, 2022 9:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I have seen the trailer
        
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        September 11, 2022 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEogeIIOJzU
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:11pm
Benedict Yu

My partner’s mum is in her 80s. Her son is visiting from Australia. Just tested positive for COVID.

We explained the rules and that she was required to isolate and test. She said “Bugger that”. Got in her car to go shopping. 😳

I suspect she is indicative of compliance with the isolation rules.
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September 10, 2022 11:42am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  BY – appreciate the story, sums things up really well. But still can’t believe the number of Branch Covidians out there. Drove through Mt Eden village today, 30 masked walkers and a few driving their cars.
  
  When so many brainwashed people it isnt wise to publish so many details of breach of public health orders. Someone may pot your family member to the Stasi.
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:05pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, which is why the maskless in shops are invariably young people. They are by nature willing to bend the rules.
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:28pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes will this woman is 80 something. Me telling her to “obey the rules” would have no positive result. 🙂
    
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    September 10, 2022 1:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah you will get the positive result.
      You will get “THE LOOK” Something that sometimes will bring a strong man to his knees.
      My Partner gives me the quarter look.
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:12pm
  - Taieri
    
    the maskless in shops are invariably young people. They are by nature willing to bend the rules.
    ————
    
    I’m 63. Still young I suppose…
    
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    September 10, 2022 2:33pm
- GJM
  
  Do you still get $600 no questions asked cov8d support payment for a week off? A friend got it a few weeks ago. Couldn’t believe it, just had to apply, no proof required. Explains why we have Samantha “cases” when that was a thing.
  
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  September 10, 2022 2:26pm
oldfella

Some rather ‘OTT’ UK reactions to the death of Elizabeth.
https://twitter.com/Madz_Grant/status/1568230176617631745
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September 10, 2022 11:43am
- Inandout
  
  old, yet these same cretins were willing to obey lockdown rules and the resultant widespread cancellations.
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:30pm
Ghost

James Shaw has been re-elected, don’t get too comfortable, Chloe wants your position

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/james-shaw-re-elected-green-party-co-leader.html
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September 10, 2022 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole thing is an advertisement for the Green Party
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:46pm
- Nickc2
  
  Giver her another joint, that’ll shut her up.
  
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  September 10, 2022 1:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nope, knives and spoons. A friend told me, back in 2022//
    
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    September 10, 2022 5:14pm
    - Colville
      
      So outdated.
      Everyone eats it now.
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:43pm
MCōs

As with a hundred former prime ministers before him Boris finally gives a superb speech in the Commons free of hyperbole & self aggrandizement.
In his case in appreciation of QEII.
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September 10, 2022 12:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Completely agree, a wonderful speech and tribute
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-geNHuRmxg
  
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  September 10, 2022 12:29pm
oldfella

A climate change interview with Jeremy Corbyn’s brother that doesn’t go as planned. (Don’t tell stuffed or the ferald…)
https://twitter.com/i/status/1568173044828631041
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September 10, 2022 12:26pm
oldfella

Canada, oh, Canada…
Trudeau government takes ‘plastics’ policy to extreme
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/green-trudeau-government-takes-plastics-policy-to-extreme
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September 10, 2022 12:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Queen Elizabeth II was the last living link to a truly Great Britain.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1568034996622970880?
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September 10, 2022 12:42pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/boat-flipped-in-kaikoura-people-seen-sheltering-on-top.html

A boat has collided with a whale in Goose Bay in Kaikōura on Saturday.

Newshub understands 11 people were onboard at the time of the collision, and some of the occupants are dead.

It’s unclear how many people are dead or injured.
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September 10, 2022 1:59pm
- plc
  
  Air Force One to be deployed for immediate photo opportunities
  
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  September 10, 2022 2:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That would be the Orion – but it may be in the garage for updates
    
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    September 10, 2022 5:17pm
- Ghost
  
  2 dead, 3 missing
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129844530/boat-capsizes-after-reportedly-being-hit-by-whale-near-kaikura-search-for-passengers-under-way
  
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  September 10, 2022 2:34pm
  - Colville
    
    yeah probably only 20 minute survival time in that water temp…
    
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    September 10, 2022 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So, 11 people on a 8.5M boat. Is that correct?
    
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    September 10, 2022 5:23pm
    - Colville
      
      5 dead 6 rescued.
      I am assuming it’s a charter fishing boat in survey.
      Possibly ploughing along and hit a whale who reared and flipped the boat?
      
      We always kept a very close eye out for sunken shipping containers in Cook Strait. Hitting 30 tonne of partially submerged box would really fuck up your afternoon…
      
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      September 10, 2022 6:38pm
      - Nickc2
        
        A vessel that size and let’s say eight of the eleven persons all rush to one side of the vessel to observe something, what’s going to happen? Of course, the fucking thing will capsize.
        From the pictures I’ve seen, it was a mono-hull vessel.
        
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        September 10, 2022 7:19pm
Benedict Yu

What is it with Somali refugees in New Zealand?

Today in Kàinga Ora land….

A few years ago a Somali refugee, her husband and three children arrive in New Zealand. They have a further three children. They get New Zealand citizenship and all eight move to Australia. The teenage kids cause chaos and the whole family is deported to New Zealand. The father goes awol.

So now this woman and her six kids is high priority for a State house. Family is given a six bedroom house. Teenagers destroy house. Family given replacement six bedroom house.

And as of today the woman has sponsored three family members to come from Somalia. She has given KO a heads up that they will also need a house. 😭
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September 10, 2022 2:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is how it works – and Labour want more
  
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  September 10, 2022 5:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  IIRC, refugee migrants sponsorship comes with strings attached, one of which is that public sector assistance is not permitted for at least a couple of years, ie the sponsoring party is responsible for all costs for a period.
  
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  September 10, 2022 6:03pm
Maggie Pie

OMG…. you so gotta admire this girl!! 😀

https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1568118251640750083

Wonder who would be Aotearoa New Zealand’s equivalent?
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September 10, 2022 2:46pm
- Ghost
  
  Aren’t you New Zealand’s equivalent?
  
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  September 10, 2022 2:51pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yeah Maggie, you could fit that bill. 🙂
    Are you a redhead ?
    
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    September 10, 2022 4:58pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      NO silly….you’re thinking of Bene’s wife!
      
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      September 10, 2022 5:54pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I understand she is blond with nice boots and a nice rear end view. According to the doppelgänger.
        
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        September 10, 2022 6:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I know who the New Zealand equivalent MP is – the Mexican guy. Hands down 🙁
    
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    September 10, 2022 5:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  What a piece of work 🙁
  
  https://mehreen-faruqi.greensmps.org.au/
  
  And of course she is in the Australian Greens. What else?
  
  “I cannot mourn the leader of a racist empire built on stolen lives, land and wealth of colonised peoples.”
  
  Idiot. She escaped Pakistan to move to one of the richest countries in the world with a constitutional monarchy. Then the Head of State dies and she trash talks. Indeed – go back to Pakistan.
  
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  September 10, 2022 5:10pm
  - Colville
    
    I am sketchy on the history but didn’t Pakistan used to be in the commonwealth? So its got out and now a corrupt shit hole full of terrorists?
    Maybe there is a bit to be said for having an old dear with a few corgis looking after the place!
    
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    September 10, 2022 6:42pm
Maggie Pie

I just read where Cindy said…. “she first learned of the Queen’s death was when a police officer shone a torch into her room at 4:50am in the morning”.

My partner reckons it sounds more like a drugs raid than anything else.

😀 😀 😀
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September 10, 2022 3:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Could be worse, she could of been woken by a PM on a Police Raid
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-metropolitan-police-sales-prime-minister-london-b1022181.html
  
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  September 10, 2022 3:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  She will now empathise with the Dawn Raids on Ponsonby
  
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  September 10, 2022 6:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Daddy knows about that
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:51am
Gravelroad

I’ve got a couple of grandchildren who love Peppa Pig which is a kids cartoon show featuring humanised animals.
I don’t personally understand the appeal of Peppa Pig, but evidently many little kids think it is so good that a general hush comes over the room here as soon as it appears on TV.
So today we learn that the PP cast of cute animals is going to be joined by a family of two polar bear Mums and their baby.
No comment about this aspect, but one of the young experts here asked if that meant there are gay animals?
Do polar bears have gay relationships in real life?
If not, why do they have them on Peppa Pig? –
was the question asked.
I said dunno and changed channel to Paw Patrol where one of the super pups was disabled and confined to a wheelchair.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/sep/08/peppa-pig-introduces-its-first-same-sex-couple
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September 10, 2022 4:52pm
- MCōs
  
  If animals are to be presented as humanized and confined to wheel chairs they might just as well be gay.
  Anyone who’s ever read stories to kids for at least the last hundred years would have come across plenty of books in which the characters are humans, or machines, masquerading as humans.
  Furthermore
  There are stories such as Cinderella, which I read to a couple of my grandchildren the other day that set kids an appalling example of how they should conduct their lives.
  Gay relationships are more realistic than all that stuff.
  
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  September 10, 2022 5:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    Should be *animals, or machines*
    
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    September 10, 2022 7:29pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Those nice polar bears seem to be comfortable in their centrally heated house.
  
  Not much swimming among the ice bergs & stalking walruses to be seen.
  
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  September 10, 2022 6:08pm
Andrew Worth

A great loss, but 36 hours later it’s still being promoted as “breaking news”
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September 10, 2022 5:06pm
Jack5

A 17-year-old driver on a learner’s licence who killed two women, leaving eight children motherless, cannot be sentenced to jail or even home detention.

He was transferred from Youth Court to the Dunedin Magistrate’s Court for sentencing, which entailed six months of “community detention”, two years of judicially monitored intensive supervision, and he was disqualified from driving for four years and ordered to pay $1000 to people injured in the crash, which occurred last October.

The sentence was limited because of the driver’s age, and because of the level of the charges.

The Otago Daily Times reports the driver had been tail-gating another car and crossed the centre line four times trying to overtake it. The crash occurred on his fifth attempt. The mothers killed, and two family members injured, were travelling from Queenstown to Dunedin for Labour Weekend.

The driver’s name was suppressed for a week on the ground of hardship to his family.
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September 10, 2022 5:08pm
Surely Knott

A new enquiry report into police photographing has been talked about in the media from the focus of maori and youth. But the issue goes further than that and the media hasn’t covered police photographs at marches and protests being taken

I attended my first protest which was not during a lockdown, where the freedom group legally marched from the domain to Aotea square – it was well organised and police conducted traffic duty so the protestors could cross the road. But as we came round the corner police could be seen sitting on the steps of the church and they took photos of the people marching with a long distance telephoto lens. This was shocking at the time.

The enquiry report says:

PROTESTS & LARGE GATHERINGS “The extent to which officers may take photographs at protests and other large gatherings is currently addressed by Police in the Unlawful Assembly and Riot policy and the Demonstrations policy.

The former allows photographs on the approval of the Operation Commander for investigative
purposes where the gathering reaches the threshold of a riot or unlawful assembly, both of
which are by definition unlawful. We see no need for any change to that policy.”

“The latter states that Police photographers should be deployed only on the authority of the
Operation Commander where the prevailing circumstances indicate “a probability of disorder”.
In contrast, officers we interviewed spoke of photographing protesters for more general
intelligence purposes – that is, to enable them to be identified for future events.
We think that the Demonstrations policy sets the bar for capturing demonstrators’ images too
high. We recommend that it should be revised to allow officers to photograph demonstrators
where they believe, based on some articulable facts, that there is a reasonable possibility of
disorder occurring and that the photographs may assist in providing evidence, identifying
suspects, protecting against unjustified complaints, or exerting a controlling influence on Police behaviour. We also recommend that the policy make clear that photographing demonstrators for no reason other than their presence in an otherwise lawful and peaceful demonstration, with the aim of identifying them in potential future demonstrations, is not a lawful Police purpose.”

So they definitely took our photos and they acknowledge it in the enquiry that they were generally taking photos of protestors. So what action will be taken. Will the police acknowledge whose photos they’ve taken. Will they apologise to protestors. Will the photographs be destroyed. What penalties for the police if they acted illegally. Who authorised it.

The media has only focused on the Maori youth aspect they didn’t mention the photographing of protestors for general intelligence in their news reports.

https://www.privacy.org.nz/assets/New-order/Resources-/Publications/Commissioner-inquiries/8-SEPTEMBER-2022-IPCA-AND-OPC-Joint-Inquiry-into-Police-photographing-of-members-of-the-public.pdf
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September 10, 2022 6:08pm
- MCōs
  
  You’re finding out what protesters have known since the advent of handheld cameras and never got bothered to waste their breathe complaining about because nobody cares.
  
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  September 10, 2022 7:23pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Hmmm seems the independent police commission does care though and dedicated a section to it in their report calling it “not lawful” It seems it’s just the media that doesn’t care. 🤷‍♀️
    
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    September 10, 2022 10:41pm
Maggie Pie

I sort of wonder if people aren’t being a bit hard on the Mahuta’s?

Been watching the special ‘Queen’ doco on TV One.
Looks like even Liz married her THIRD cousin!
My partner reckons that’s how Royalty ensure their bloodlines remain pure.

Just saying.
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September 10, 2022 7:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Only third cousin? Damn, so they aren’t as inbreed as those Remuera folks then
  
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  September 10, 2022 7:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We don’t call it ‘inbreeding’ silly. Here it’s referred to as…. ‘old-money’
    
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    September 10, 2022 7:59pm

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