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Yvette

Conversation about what Queen Elizabeth’s death means for relationship between Māori and the Crown will happen, but not now – Kelvin Davis
“Right now we just need to focus on mourning the Queen and acknowledging her 70 years of service,” Davis said.
“We should at least wait until after the funeral service.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/conversation-about-what-queen-elizabeth-s-death-means-for-relationship-between-m-ori-and-the-crown-will-happen-but-not-now-kelvin-davis.html

King Charles seems to have exactly the same status as Queen Elizabeth.
What at all is there to have a “conversation” about?
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September 11, 2022 8:11am
- curry4me
  
  A ‘con-versation’ is all about forwarding the Marxist agenda. God save the king.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  Charles will be closely watched to ensure he doesn’t overstep his constitutional role. If he does he will be the monarch endangering the institution .
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:39am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Charles won’t be able to help himself. His views are well known and though he may bite his tongue more often there’s more than one way to skin a cat, such as very carefully choosing the events and causes he supports to match his political ideology, and his mates in the WEF won’t stop calling.
    
    Today as he met the members of the cabinet and party leaders, one was heard to ask him if they could get together to discuss Green issues. And it’s that kind of access they now think they have, and indeed they do.
    
    The great virtue of the Queen was her aura which she wore like a shield. Charles, we can clearly see, is still essentially the same faux-chummy, slightly ridiculous Prince of Wales, and he lacks any of the majesty that Elizabeth effortlessly possessed.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:34am
    - kowtow
      
      Charles won’t be able to help himself.
      
      Yes I fear that .
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:13am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Because dangerous airheads like Davis do not respect the office or even begin to understand the importance of our constitutional arrangements. What he is saying is “a few people out there think Queen Elizabeth did a good job so let them have a few days to get over themselves and then we will put the knife in”.
  
  I have zero respect for Davis, Jackson et al who are mouthing off about their demands for change but rush to say we must not say anything today out of respect. If you believe that then shut up. You are showing no respect – only greed, lust for power and self aggrandisement.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Special K. Do you know who I am?
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:51am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    No Crown no treaty bring it on Davis
    
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    September 11, 2022 6:50pm
- RockyJ
  
  “Having a conversation” is activist speak for “we are going to make demands that you will accede to”. The Maori activist approach is to gradually chisel more and more away so that eventually we have nothing left to surrender.
  
  I think it is time to push back. I support calls for a referendum on cogovernance. In addition we should have a referendum on whether to retain the Maori seats and wind up the treaty of Waitangi settlement process
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:41am
  - Tricati
    
    And a referendum on bastardizing the name New Zealand.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:47am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree, referenda are necessary, and the sooner the better. However, I don’t believe this Govt and its Maori Caucus will accept the result, especially as it will mean an end of their financial Gravy Train and Mahuta Corp in particular.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:04am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        I see Mahuta Corp is in more trouble this week.
        
        A second government department, Te Puni Kokiri, is now having to review its awarding of a contract to William Ganin Ormsby to run a workshop. He was then going to pay his wife Nanaia Mahuta-as the Assoc. Minister for Local Govt- several thousand dollars to make a speech at it.
        
        So Nanaia Mahuta was going to be paid taxpayers money on top of her salary as a Government Minister. In the end, as I understand it she didn’t go through with the speech.
        
        But the awarding of the contract with the provision for Ormsby to pay Mahuta did not raise any red flags or alarms bells or was considered to be questionable by TPK staff.
        
        And did the Prime Minister know about this latest ‘dodgy’ episode?
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:36am
      - Nickc2
        
        Sarkozygroupie @ 11:36AM
        
        The Maori Caucus must be treating Cindy and her Non-Maori Ministers as their private Mushroom Farm. Kept in the dark, fed on ……. Well, you get the message.
        I wonder why members of the Press Gallery don’t put questions to her about Mahuta Corp? I’m picking that if they did, there’ll be no Christmas bonus from the MSM Bribery Fund.
        
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        September 11, 2022 12:18pm
    - Ruawai
      
      There may be a referendum but maori will have 3 votes to every 1 non maori vote out of respect for the treaty.
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:55pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Yes, push back is exactly what is needed. ERII’s death means nothing constitutionally, as exemplified by “The King is Dead, Long Live the King”. CRIII simply and smoothly slips into the position and onto the throne, all seamlessly. He’ll be a good King. Tell the Maoris to f……… off over this issue.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:57am
    - kowtow
      
      He’ll do what his govt tells him , just like Mama and her predecessors had to . I’ve no doubt they had to swallow some very unpalatable dead rats over the years.
      
      Remember , his forebearer namesake , CIR lost his head over a row with parliament . And the Dutch usurper confirmed those arrangements , still very much a part of our constitution today , some 300 years later.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And a referendum on whether New Zealand should become a republic, as 40 of the 56 “realms” that existed when her Majesty ascended the throne 70 years ago, have done?
    
    Or can we only have referenda on approved topics? And do the KB majority decide those?
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:34am
    - Alwynn
      
      She was actually only Queen of seven countries when she became Queen. She is still head of four of them.
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:59pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        At risk of pointing out the obvious, she is not still head of any countries. That would be King Charles III as of a few days ago.
        
        In any case, losing 43% of the family business is not really something to celebrate, but you say it like it’s a good thing.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:55pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Judging by comments already made, it appears that some sections of NZ society are happily gearing up to use the Queen’s death to further their traditional grievances and demands for “reparations”.
  Will leave it there.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They see Charlie Boy as weak compared to his Mother. Let’s get that Treaty out and twist and bend the words some more. Three Articles. How much can be extracted from just three Articles?
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:56am
    - Cassandra
      
      Bugger all. Time to explain that to these bludgers.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:57am
    - Matt Long
      
      The difference between bacon and eggs is that the chicken has an interest and the pig is involved.
      HRH Elizabeth R oversaw the end of an empire largely as a somewhat interested observer. HRH Charlie will observe whatever happens in New Zealand as an interested observer, we are the ones who are involved.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:44am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They’re both involved, but the pig is committed 🙂
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:36am
      - Matt Long
        
        Ah, of course, I thought it wasn’t quite right, perhaps Charles more like the cow who provides the butter.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  King Charles III hasn’t put a foot wrong so far. At a time when he must be wracked by grief, he is doing what he must. His decision to exit the Royal car and meet the people outside Buckingham Palace, before going through the palace gates was an excellent one, and there was a genuine warmth in the welcome he received.
  
  I have had a few moans about Charles over the years, but no one has ever been better prepared to become the Monarch than him; God save the King!
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think he is doing a bloody good mature job, compared to some things of the past.
    King Charles the Third. Has a nice ring to it.
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:58am
    - curry4me
      
      I understood he wanted to style himself George VII. Either way, I think he’ll do a tolerable job.
      
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      September 11, 2022 3:09pm
- Andrew Worth
  
  Maybe we should move to being a republic, then the whiners can go to London to protest against the Crown.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:50am
  - Drone
    
    By canoe..
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:57am
    - Colville
      
      Waka you racist.
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nope, that is someone else’s job. Whiners whine and never stop.
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:59am
- Paulus
  
  Does the idiot not know that the TOW relationship was signed by Queen Victoria ?
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:56am
  - Alwynn
    
    Did she really?
    Where is this fabled document with her signature on it?
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Signed on behalf.
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where is it? Well these days it is everywhere – like the internet//
      
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      September 11, 2022 2:46pm
    - kiwimike
      
      Which one?
      
      The one that National’s Constitution references (Mahuta Corp) or another one?
      
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      September 11, 2022 3:34pm
- Justitia
  
  Kelvin is one of the “special people” who believe part of their DNA entitles them to rule this country in “partnership” with the Crown, ie “co-governance”. The “other populations” as n0n-Maori are now referred to in government legal opinions and legislation are at the bottom of the food-chain, which is one of the reasons Ardern wishes to remove the indignity of “equal suffrage” currently suffered by Maori.
  
  Becoming a republic might usefully oblige New Zealanders to grow up at last.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:27am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    I’ve never been a Republican, preferring the parliamentary checks and balances we are afforded by our constitutional arrangements to stave off or at least restrain the behaviour of rogue Government-such as we are currently witnessing in NZ right now.
    
    The best argument I’ve heard to become a Republic this week is that we could finally tear up the blasted ToW and rewrite a new constitution. Maori don’t want this and are against becoming a republic.
    
    There are many risks and pitfalls with this approach-it would be very risk to rewrite our constitutional arrangements under the leadership of this so-called democratic Government. It is untrustworthy and racist.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:51am
    - Paulus
      
      I hope you feel that a new Treaty will be better.
      This time it will be written by educated Maori whom owe their education and positions to the non Maori over the last 160 years or so.
      
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      September 11, 2022 2:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That would be Racist! It needs to be written by New Zealanders, for New Zealanders. The fact that some writers will be Moari is not part of the picture. They will be there, but there will be no special attention given to anyone based on their skin. That goes for you blue eyed whities who identify as Moari as well
        
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        September 11, 2022 2:54pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        I agree Paulus. That is precisely the risk.
        
        I’d hope that a new Treaty was better but I fear very much that strong undue pressure (supported by a placatory and agreeable Government) would be brought to bear on truncating and minimising the rights of Europeans and all others not identified as indigenous so that we end up with a constitutionally lop-sided and egregiously unjust document. Some would say it is just desserts or a long overdue reversal of the ToW. Neither are valid or acceptable arguments.
        
        Once, the possibility of there being such a poorly drafted modern constitutional document favouring an ethno-state would have sounded ludicrous and impossible, but not in these current times.
        
        It’s not a risk I’m willing to take right now.
        
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        September 11, 2022 8:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      We need some very smart and clever, forward thinking people to write NZ Constitution.
      Seems lack of Education has left us without that.
      
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      September 11, 2022 2:49pm
- Clyde
  
  The racists in and around this present Government need to be confronted sooner rather than later. Until they meet resistance they will continue to push their separatist agenda and take every inch. It is more than time for Luxon to start sending a message to the country that this divisive and unecessary agenda will be reversed within the first 24 hours of a National/ACT Government. Enough is enough.
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:04am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I doubt that people like Luxon in their ivory towers really get what’s going on in terms of the neomarxist cultural revolution going on in front of their noses.
    
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    September 11, 2022 4:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The time has come,’ the Walrus said,
  To talk of many things:
  Of shoes — and ships — and sealing-wax —
  Of cabbages — and kings —
  And why the sea is boiling hot —
  And whether pigs have wings.’
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:47pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129834059/the-police-an-offensive-flag-and-a-new-gang-chapters-racially-charged-name

After a sad couple of days- here’s something hilarious-
The Mongrel Mob has set up HQ in a small Marlborough town and put up a huge flag which includes the word “N…..” which is apparently now part of their official branding.
The locals and Police not so keen.
The Race Relations Commissioner, Meng Foon says:
“I would write to them (the gang) and ask them to remove it if I knew who they were.”
Another example of the utter incompetence of so many of these privileged, well funded government outfits.
Can’t even talk to the police to find out who to contact at a gang pad so that some guy in an office in Wellington can write them a letter.
I bet the gang would be shaking in their boots waiting for that.
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September 11, 2022 8:18am
- Pavel
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc22CFhDBEM
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:44am
- surfing
  
  Black people are allowed to use the word.
  
  Very strange word.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:50am
  - Andrew Worth
    
    The word refers to people of African ancestry, there wouldn’t be many such people in the Mongrel mob.
    Very strange world.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , if the academics ( and media) had any consistency they’d be slamming these ‘Wannabes’ for so called cultural appropriation . Maybe that tack would stop these gangsters in their tracks //
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:56am
    - Matt Long
      
      Just to clear things up is it ok to call it the Niger River, and to talk about Nigeria?
      If so is there an expiration date when these words become hate speech?
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:50am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Now you’re just being niggardly.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:44am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Niger 🇳🇪 and the Nigersaurus dinosaur.
        
        But you can be fashionably French and say Neegeer.
        
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        September 11, 2022 9:10pm
- kowtow
  
  The clenched fist is the really offensive bit . The media ,police and Luvvies don’t get that, they’re too stupid to .
  To realise it is a naked ,aggressive, display of a symbolisation of far left , extremist violence . A violence that would deprive us all of our wealth and well being.
  
  Idiots , the lotta them.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It means ‘mess with us and you will get the biff’
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:03am
  - pdm
    
    but but kowtow – they are Labour Voters.
    
    Therefore untouchable.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:06am
  - Swifty
    
    They pinched the fist symbol, their name and now the N word.
    
    It’s like they can’t think for themselves….
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:56am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      They’ve stolen everything they have even their clothes. They’re sad frightened people who draw on themselves to make themselves look intimidating but really they are terrified abused and neglected children.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:08pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Why don’t they just come out and say the word “nigga”? It’s not the word it is thought to be; it’s a word that has been appropriated by gangs in the USA, and is in common use in youth culture. When I worked in a factory twenty years ago “What’s up my nigga?” was a common greeting, almost always from Maori or Pasifika workmates.
  
  I’d be far more worried about having the Black Power set up in my small town in the first place than them calling themselves the Black Power Niggas.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    When I worked in a factory twenty years ago “What’s up my nigga?” was a common greeting, almost always from Maori or Pasifika workmates.
    
    Still heard everyday in local school yards.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:00am
    - pdm
      
      Then there was this in my school days:
      
      eenie meenie miny mo
      catch a nigger by the toe
      if he hollers
      let him go
      eenie meenie miny mo
      
      You’re it for tag, hide and seek or whatever the game was.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:10am
      - kowtow
        
        Don’t mention the Dam Busters .
        
        Funny world though , we can happily drown a bunch of Krauts in their beds but by golly the code word can’t be naughty.
        
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        September 11, 2022 9:28am
      - oldfella
        
        I remember reading Agatha Christie’s ‘Ten Little Niggers’ before that title became problematic.
        So they changed it to ‘Ten Little Indians’. Whoops.
        The book/films currently use the title ‘Then There Were None’ but I’m certain someone will eventually find something objectionable with that. //
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:54am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      “What’s up my nigga?” Sounds like a very painful and frightening medical condition.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:13pm
  - oldfella
    
    Tony: I’m sure 0ur host will post something on KB defending the Black Power choice.
    Free speech is either free, or it’s not. It can’t be semi-free. No such thing.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:59am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    comedy skit “Tokyo Breakfast” from 15 years ago, making fun of the use of it as an honorific:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ9RQKUp0PY
    
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    September 11, 2022 1:00pm
- Dave
  
  After reading the linked news story and the police’s reasoning behind getting the flag declared an objectionable publication, I hope they fail in court.
  
  The same reasoning used to justify this action can also be used to justify seizing any publication or front yard sign with a controversial view some might find offensive – eg, Scrap the Treaty.
  
  Perhaps the police should focus on criminal actions instead of offensive language.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:59am
  - Andrew Worth
    
    Agree entirely WTF is a “powerful word”?
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:02am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They did fail in court, which was of course the correct decision.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:47am
- Taieri
  
  I bet the gang would be shaking in their boots
  ————–
  
  With laughter?…
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:07am
- Countrygirl
  
  I figure if Meng Foon read the Stuff article he’d get several names and even an address to send his letter to.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:17am
  - Paulus
    
    I am told that the Stuff weekender the Sunday Star Times has a new entirely Maori name.
    Don’t buy it now and never will anyway.
    
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    September 11, 2022 2:06pm
- Prince
  
  Write to them ?
  Send them a fax, surely.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:28am
- Andrew Worth
  
  Correction, it’s a Black Power HQ, not the Mongrel mob, still not many people of African ancestry though.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Being truely scientific , we’re all of ‘African’ ancestry .
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:38am
    - Paulus
      
      Thought Maori came from a Tribe in Taiwan as DNA vefry similar ?
      
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      September 11, 2022 2:07pm
      - Mike H S
        
        Yes but we all came from Africa some 150,000 years ago.
        
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        September 11, 2022 3:16pm
    - Andrew Worth
      
      Nope, we crawled out of the oceans long before that.
      
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      September 11, 2022 5:42pm
- Cassandra
  
  Pathetic, what a waste of money Meng Foon is. His job and department should be abolished.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:59am
- GT Build
  
  No doubt Ming will write the letter in tereo so no one at gang headquarters will understand it
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not sure which N word you talk of, if it’s the racist word then I know they call the black power the N……s if it’s the the German Socialist party and what they became then they use that word to hype the bros up
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  This has a silver lining for free speech.
  
  If the authorities can’t by law or by pressure cause the gang to change its name, or pull down the flag, then it’s a win for the rest of us when it comes to future attempts to enact hate speech laws.
  
  I have no desire to call anyone a nigger but I support the right of others to do so. And if that is protected then it’s unlikely a court could hold that calling a woman an adult human female, or saying that women don’t have penises, should be a matter for the police to investigate, as the police have been seen to do in the UK.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:47am
- KiwiSapper
  
  A Letter!. I suggest he get his arse into gear and order a rental to take him to the headquarters so he can explain it very carefully and clearly so there is no misunderstanding.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:54pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7FPHgFMBcIs/

Breaking! DOJ Orders Mass FBI Raids on Trump Allies!

A number of President Trump’s allies have been raided by the FBI. This is a terrible strategic blunder by the swamp.
Going after a former president is unprecedented. After the mid-terms, the Republicans can have multiple committees to investigate Hunter, the Clintons the 2020 election, the FBI, and any other target. The Democrats took the gloves off and declared war. They’ve walked into a trap of their own making. [6:50]
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September 11, 2022 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sweet isn’t it?? 🙂
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s possible that there will be no Democrat Party one day, just an Anarchy Party
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:09am
  - curry4me
    
    Delicious. It should carry a calorie warning.
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:15pm
- mawm
  
  Curry – the Republicans will do nothing. You know it, I know it and the Democrats know it.
  
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  September 11, 2022 2:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    After 2024 you will see changes like never before. The groundwork has already started. The RINOs are going is only the start of “The best is yet to come”
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:11pm
  - curry4me
    
    If even half of 2000 Mules is true, the Democratic Party should face a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations [RICO] investigation, and be banned if found guilty.
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    mawm, once Trump brushes off all the shit thrown at him, I think the gloves are going to come off. Stand well clear.
    
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    September 11, 2022 4:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He hits back harder
      
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      September 12, 2022 8:42am
  - curry4me
    
    I’d agree if President Trump’s candidates hadn’t swept the primaries. The GOP is out for blood. Figuratively speaking anyway. Its not the RINO party any more.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:32pm
MCōs

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Charles is referred to as the third over in England because they’ve had two of them previously, but not here.
If this chap must be our king shouldn’t he be King Charles I of NZ.
Personally I think it’s well passed time we became a republic and stood on our own two feet.
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September 11, 2022 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s not the same situation as James VI/James I for the Crown Of NZ is not uniting with the Crown of the UK.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
  
  We have never had a separate Monarchy in NZ.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:38am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… We have a maori king (of Huntly).
    Not sure where he fits in the succession now ER has passed away.
    
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    September 11, 2022 8:40am
    - Ruahine
      
      Bit of a Rangatira in some parts of the Waikato and thats about it.
      
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      September 11, 2022 8:49am
      - Paulus
        
        And good for the Car Dealers in Hamilton.
        Particularly the Mercs and Beema ones !
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah….
      
      probably in the same place as as King Kapisi
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/129188949/king-kapisi-theres-so-much-work-to-do-bro-but-theres-only-one-of-me
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:09am
    - Cassandra
      
      The Hereditary Mayor of Huntly as Shane Jones said (I think, might have been someone else). Whoever, it’s an apt title.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:01am
- cjn
  
  We certainly get royalty on the cheap at the moment and seem hell-bent on denying our past and taking on a white-washed past of the Maori culture so there is some sense in your proposal. And if we stood on our own two feet perhaps we wouldn’t have to take on all the latest fads from the USA. It would be more expensive but what are printing machines for?
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:44am
  - Taieri
    
    And if we stood on our own two feet perhaps we wouldn’t have to take on all the latest fads from the USA
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    Keep dreaming…
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  We do stand on our own two feet.
  
  The people of New Zealand have freely chosen the monarch as our HoS.
  
  An arrangement that works admirably.
  
  If anyone wants to change that ; go organise a petition. Unlike most places in the world , we’re free to do that . Thanks to our constitutional arrangements ,inherited from Britain.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:47am
  - MCōs
    
    Inasmuch as there’s never been a referendum your claim we freely chose to have the British Monarch as our HoS holds no water.
    The country was colonized in 1841. Previously it was administered from NSW.
    It became self governing in 1852; at which time the government was dominated by UK migrants who called the UK “home”. The Governor General was always British until 1967.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:13am
    - Bill Felt
      
      Our country was never colonised ( not colonized – we speak english-english here).The treaty was implemented in-order to establish the ‘rule-of-law’. Prior to the treaty NZ was a lawless ‘hell-hole’ of the South Pacific. Order was implemented by spears and stones. There was no-one who benefited more from the treaty than Maori.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:06am
    - Alwynn
      
      “The Governor General was always British until 1967.”
      And I, for one, wish that the system had stayed that way. When he had sundry British peers as the Governor General they used to give us things. Look at the Ranfurly and Plunket Shields, or the Bledisloe Cup. Think also of the Treaty House and grounds at Waitangi. All gifts of those British Peers.
      When they left the buzzed of back to Britain and never bothered us again.
      Compare them with the New Zealand ones. What did any of them ever give us?
      Then when the local ones quit they hang around getting pensions, and free Limo service, for the rest of their lives. Even when they drop of the perch we keep providing the Limo’s to their relicts.
      Bring back the old system say I.
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:11am
      - Jack5
        
        .”..The Governor General was always British until 1967.”
        
        Bernard Freyberg, VC, the governor-general of NZ from 1946 to 1952, was raised in New Zealand from the age of two. He was a national swimming champion in 1906 and 1910, and this skill helped him in the wartime incident from which he was awarded the VC.
        
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        September 11, 2022 7:09pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      MCos – pretty easy to spot the Commies agitating away on this. Funny thing in your 2nd home country you would be in jail for espousing these views. Nice that our system that you want to get rid of let’s you have the freedom to agitate.
      
      Your strawman about a referendum is bollocks. Can you name any country around the world that had a referendum to determine which Empire it was associated with?
      
      Apart from cheap shots at the British Monarchy, sell us all on the benefits we all get separating from the Empire? Who would you have us align with?
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:33am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You’re getting hysterical PL. MCos is correct in that there has never been a referendum to “decide who our head of State will be” is he not?
        
        There’s no such thing as Empire any more, it’s 2022. When QEII ascended the throne she was HoS of 56 countries, or realms. 40 of those have since become republics, and are still proud members of the Commonwealth.
        
        What are you so afraid of?
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:57am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep. QE II was the greatest decoloniser of them all.
        
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        September 11, 2022 1:01pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Fair enough, we are aligned with US/Commonwealth, no longer formally part of the British Empire Loddenthinks.
        
        What am I scared of?
        1. Losing what is good and great about our country.
        2. Communist takeover of NZ – be it CCP or WEF funded.
        3. I don’t trust most of the people who agitate for a republic ie Helen Clarke, Kelvin Davis, Willy Jackson.
        
        My original questions, reframed, for you, MCos, Kelvin Davis, Willy Jackson etc to answer are:
        What are all the benefits we all get isolating ourselves further from the US/Commonwealth empire?
        
        Who would you have us align with?
        
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        September 11, 2022 2:44pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      MCOS: “The country was colonized in 1841.”
      
      Actually I think it was “colonised” about 700 years prior to that.
      
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      September 11, 2022 3:25pm
    - kiwimike
      
      17% is the number…
      
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      September 11, 2022 4:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Using that spurious argument Elizabeth should have been Elizibeth I of NZ.
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:54am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Elizabeth 11 of England and the 1st of Scotland
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Go away MCos the first
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:06am
  - Cassandra
    
    MCos the Last would be better.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:06am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Unlike you to attack free speech, Steve.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well he was just being a trolling wanker
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ad. Sometime I get on with him quite well, jesus, I even uptick him
        
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        September 11, 2022 12:24pm
- pdm
  
  I have always said no republic while Bolger, Clark or Peters are alive.
  
  I now add to the list, Ardern, Robertson, Mahuta and Jackson.
  
  Therefore no republic anytime soon.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:13am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    You are projecting about 50 years forward, right up to 2072. Is it likely that we won’t have a serious debate on this issue over the next 50 years?
    I suspect the issue will become a serious topic of debate in the 2030’s. The Treaty of Waitangi will have its bicentennial in 2040. I think that will focus the debate in the 2030’s. Baby Boomers will have a very small influence on politics by then, even as voters. In fact they have mostly already left active politics.
    The current political leaders in parliament were born in the 1970’s and 1980’s. Some in the 1990’s. By the mid 2030’s our political leaders will be virtually be all born in the 1990’s.
    Will New Zealand become a republic in the next 50 years? I would put it at around 50/50, perhaps less.
    But I think it probable we will have a referendum on this issue some time during that time. If the issue is influenced by the bicentennial, then I would pick a referendum in 2037, a year before the 2038 election. If not in the 2030’s, then perhaps a decade or two later.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:38am
    - Cassandra
      
      Good points. Doing away with “The Crown” would be a good opportunity to do away with the Treaty too. Time to grow up. Prendergast (sp?) was right.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:09am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Chief Justice Sir James Prendergast:
        
        Declared the Treaty of Waitangi as “worthless” and a “simple nullity”
        
        (but words written by William Richmond)
        
        https://www.lawfoundation.org.nz/?p=1148
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:46am
      - Paulus
        
        A new Maori written one, one in English, and one in bastardiced Maori, would replace the current ones !
        
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        September 11, 2022 2:12pm
    - nathie
      
      Worse case prediction – there will never ever be a referendum (as that’s “tyranny of the majority” idealism).
      
      Instead, activism will continue to reshape the judiciary, Parliament and the education system (etc) to accept the narrative that Pakeha are “guests” (and always have been) therefore those in charge of a “republic” will naturally be Maori of Chiefly status.
      
      Don’t believe me? Ask a “radical” (or “mainstream” academic supporting these narratives).
      
      Is Parliament (Labour and Greens) enabling this (by blundering along not recognising the consequences of give an inch now, how much will that be at a later date)? At the moment, yes. Will that change? Depends on the foresight of people and politicians to stand up and articulate how they envisage the future should be.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:51am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Another strong motivator to leave NZ. Who can be bothered wasting a life fighting these regressive academic racists/barbarians when there are other countries that aren’t so screwed up.
        
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        September 11, 2022 1:04pm
      - kiwimike
        
        ACT want a referendum next term..
        
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        September 11, 2022 4:08pm
- NoFax
  
  That’s not how it works and I assume you know that MCos. Tradionally when two or more kingdoms share a monarch, then the highest number is used in both or more kingdoms. So, while for the realm of New Zealand, Charles is the first king with that name, for the UK he is the third and, therefore, in both realms Charles will be referred to as the third.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    How did that work for James 6 of Scotland but first of England.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:01am
- Flossie
  
  We never had an Elizabeth I either, but Elizabeth II was fully acceptable as her name/title.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Really? No Elizabeth the First? Google Machin must be wrong or biased
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:25pm
    - Flossie
      
      “We” in this instance means New Zealand.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:54pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How many Queen Elizabeth have we had? Don’t talk hogwash, they are called what they are called
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:29am
- Steve Todd
  
  […] shouldn’t he be King Charles I of NZ[?]
  
  You’re way off target with this comment, MCōs.
  
  So, what you’re saying is, Edward VII was actually Edward I of New Zealand, George V was actually George I, Edward VIII was actually Edward II, George VI was actually George II, Elizabeth II was actually Elizabeth I, and, in the fullness of time, William V will be William I and George VII will be George III.
  
  Really? Fortunately, Maggy’s response (at 8:38AM) immediately put that nonsense to rest.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:48am
  - MCōs
    
    I didn’t expect expect so many emotional responses to my comment.
    I thought it was an interesting point that Charles is #3 out here when he’s actually #1, but there you are.
    
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    September 11, 2022 1:52pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jpBQ3fKyyw
Stuff hit piece two – Defamation feigned as Satire.

Media corruption of democratic election in NZ by defaming yours truly. Vile and wrong. [5:37]
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September 11, 2022 8:32am
Philview

I listened to RNZ news this morning and barely a mention of the Kaikoura tragedy. I would have thought that should be the lead story this morning. Very strange.
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September 11, 2022 8:32am
- Ghost
  
  How long should it be news? Was top story a fair bit yesterday. I’d prefer we leave it alone now and let the families grieve without the media intrusion
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    The reason it’s not top right now , as per philview, is because the coverage has gone from recovery and now the Media Ghouls will be working feverishly on the “human face” of the tragedy . Give them a couple of days to track down family , friends , neighbours or the weak fools who will love their 2 minutes on tv . That’s where the Media will be . Then they’ll go after the skipper .
    But all will be forgotten in a week or so .
    
    They call it the news cycle. Same will happen with EIIR’s death . Once the state funeral is over , pfft ,all gone .
    It must piss em right orf though . They wudda had something really big planned to ram down our necks this week with Lingo Weeki and that’s been overshadowed by EIIR .
    
    Anyway , our Media are shit , shallow and shoddy , so don’t expect much from them.
    
    55 mil was way too much .
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:06am
    - Ghost
      
      Sadly you are right, they will be doing the best they can to find the families. They are vultures.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:13am
    - Paulus
      
      A lot of people (11, I believe) in a not very large boat (26ft) is my opinion.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:03am
      - kowtow
        
        Of course there’ll be a full investigation by the Maritime whoevers and perhaps the coroner . Rightly too .
        It is a tragedy for all involved .
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Alloy Monohull. Twin outboards.
        Wonder how many could not swim? Tourists maybe, but the number of people in NZ who just can’t swim is ridiculous.
        I am no olympic swimmer, but even at 70 I will not drown unless injured.
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:28am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Steve, Meant to reply but hit report by accident – sorry.
        
        Coastguard New Zealand Rob McCaw spoke about this sad incident at the Whangarei Volunteer Coastguard AGM last night.
        
        Turns out a number of victims got trapped inside the upturned boat and never got a chance to swim. Most of the people that did get out were wearing winter clothes and shoes making swimming very difficult. The water was very cold creating more issues for swimmers.
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Appears the dead folk were trapped within the cabin of the overturned boat.
        
        The bodies of the five who died are understood to have been recovered from inside the cabin.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300685000/bird-watchers-who-survived-freak-kaikura-boating-capsize-that-killed-5-shocked-saddened
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:49am
      - Colville
        
        Paulus.
        You are obviously not familiar with the rules regarding boats that hire themselves out as charters.
        They are “in survey .” and as such have very specific rules around passenger numbers and have life rafts and beacons etc etc. Boats are inspected yearly I believe.
        It was a 8.5M modern Ali hull so around 3 tonne dry weight. It’s a BIG boat with a sizeable cabin. Probably 4 bunks.
        People who died are part of a party of bird watchers so likely elderly and were trapped in the cabin.
        Leads me to believe it was a near instant capsize.
        Skipper survived so we will hear more.
        Just a big shit sandwich.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:34am
      - Ghost
        
        Here is the boat https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255374-d1368272-i61010857-Fish_Kaikoura-Kaikoura_Canterbury_Region_South_Island.html
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Cuddy cabin, maybe sleeps 3. I don’t understand why they could not get out unless injured. 11 on an 8.5M boat is pushing the limit. Lifejackets on? Who knows.
        I know quite a bit about boats, and swells, chop, marine weather etc.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Do small-boat Kiwibloggers like Steven Otto (as in his 11.34 post) think any rush of photograph-snapping passengers to one side of the vessel could contribute to a capsize?
        
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        September 11, 2022 3:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        Police on Sunday were tight-lipped into whether a whale caused the capsize, only describing the incident as a “collision”. It’s understood original distress calls from the vessel had mentioned a whale. Large whales had been seen in the area in recent times, according to the mayor.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300685000/bird-watchers-who-survived-freak-kaikura-boating-capsize-that-killed-5-shocked-saddened
        
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        September 11, 2022 3:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jack5 @ 3.02.
        Yes it may with that action – a surge from the other side may have been all needed to flip it. 11 people run to one side. These people are not boating people. Experienced skipper for a decade. I have been on this Auckland Harbour (and others) for over 50 years. I think I know some shit.
        Alloy boats have displacement but they may have been at speed with no weight in the water when it all turned to shit.
        Skipper will have a story to tell.
        RIP those who have died.
        
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        September 11, 2022 3:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Moby’s revenge?
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Talking of Moby Dick … the roaring success on YouTube of an old New Zealand whaling sea shanty seems to be tapering off.
        
        “Wellerman Come” has chalked up at least a quarter of a billion views, but has been pretty much ignored in NZ. It’s probably embarrassing for the Greens and Co. that NZ was once a leading whaling country.
        
        Versions include those of a classical orchestra, the Vienna Boys’ Choir, a United States Navy band, and various settings to modern dance routines, even heavy metal.
        
        Computer gamers have adapted it to pirate-like video. Traditional folk groups have recorded versions, and even the Wiggles.
        
        Apart from a sort-of-apology advertisement by an NZ telecoms company, “Wellerman” seems to be ignored with embarassment in its country of origin.
        
        The song’s been translated into at least a few languages, but not Maori as far as I can tell. This is despite several Ngai Tahu folk being descendants of original Weller white whaling hands who married into the southern tribe.
        
        Here’s one of the versions by the Scot who first brought “Wellerman” to the limelight:
        
        https://youtu.be/qP-7GNoDJ5c
        
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        September 11, 2022 5:20pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Has any idiot ‘climate expert’ claimed that climate change played a part in this tragedy yet? I will not be surprised if it happens.
      
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      September 11, 2022 5:43pm
Nickc2

and ask them to remove it

What if they refused? There’s nothing Meng Foon can do about it. If the law has been broken, it’s the job of the police to hold them accountable, not some jumped-up nobody with nothing but a meaningless title.
If he’s so keen on restoring racial harmony in NZ, I suggest he directs his efforts at the current Govt and its Maori Caucus in particular.
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September 11, 2022 8:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  @nick2-
  They did refuse to remove the flag and, as stated in the story, the whole issue has been investigated by various official entities and was found to be not objectionable. The police did try to hold them accountable.
  But, as one local said: “If I put a flag on my house saying ‘white power’ I’m sure they would have something to say about it.”
  
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  September 11, 2022 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The white flag is a good idea. See where the Police wokesters go with it
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, they did refuse to remove it and from the story so far, they had every right to do so. IMO, the Plods should have sought advice before making their move. It now seems like the Plods have embarked on a Crusade rather than accept a legal ruling.
    Anyhow, my initial post was concerning Meng Foon’s actions.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:20am
Ghost

Now I know I slept in class when I was bored, I’m pretty sure I must of slept through the health nurse talking about pregnancy because I just don’t recall how a man gives birth.

https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1567562677513338880

WPA Intelligence poll: Now you are going to read some statements that are commonly shared. Please indicate whether you believe that statement to be True or False.

“SOME MEN CAN GET PREGNANT”

DEMOCRATS:
TRUE — 22%
FALSE — 78%

WHITE WOMEN COLLEGE
TRUE — 36%
FALSE — 64%
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September 11, 2022 8:37am
- Littletramp
  
  Ghost – I am against this woke thing as much as most, however in forming opinions, I like to examine all points of view.
  I would argue that men cannot have babies, but here is their fruitcake logic that enables them to believe the statement.
  If a person born female identifies as male, in their eyes she must be known as a man ergo -a man can have babies.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:24am
  - Taieri
    
    If a person born female identifies as male
    ———-
    
    What happens when a person identifies as an elephant?
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:15am
    - Ghost
      
      They’re well hung?
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:23am
      - Matt Long
        
        They identify as well hung?
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:11am
    - Matt Long
      
      If they identify as a bull elephant and have a functional female reproductive system then I guess they give birth to calves.
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:10am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “What happens when a person identifies as an elephant?”
      
      In clown world they are taken seriously and treated with kid gloves.
      
      In sane lands they are visited by mental health workers and interned for psychological evaluation.
      
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      September 11, 2022 3:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The UK midwives association depicts a man with a beard giving birth. So it must be a thing.
  
  https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/01/practising-midwife-trans-men-birth/
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:41am
  - Observer of Life
    
    🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh dear. A NZ teen who started her first job was given a list to abide by. Looks like she quit and her Dad when off sulking to the media. You poor snowflake petals.
That list has been around for donkey’s years. I guess the boss gave it to her for two reasons. One, to let her know this is a place of work, not a place of social media all day. Two, maybe a little humour but the girl has been taught she has ‘rights’ and all that shit.
Anyway, the list has been around for at least 30 years. Fucks sake!
https://thepatriotnation.net/a-teen-girl-got-a-list-of-rules-from-her-boss-that-were-totally-cruel-what-her-parents-did-was/
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September 11, 2022 8:47am
- Sacha
  
  That list was not originally written for teenagers. It was written by someone with experience of teenager’s entitled attitudes, and for the enjoyment of others with similar experience.
  It was for adults, not kids.
  So I can see exactly why a father might be put out, especially if he didn’t know the origin of the piece.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:21am
  - Cassandra
    
    Well, the stupid prick should do some research before mouthing off. It’s a very good summary of much of what’s wrong with the world. We all went from school to very hard work (which we expected). In my case it was Army basic training – just 18, somewhat of a change from being a prefect at college!
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Father is a wimpy snowflake. Offended, Steve Hughes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:34am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Sacha: I can see why the young person was upset. He/she/it has been brought up by a soft-c#ck!! Harden the f#ck up is what I’d say. In fact laugh at it and tell the kid how bloody true that list is. That’s pretty much what my Dad told me before getting my first job. That and, if a jobs worth doing. DO IT WELL!!
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:49pm
- Opie
  
  It’s losers like the father in this story that have weakened society.
  
  There is nothing offensive about that list. I hope the business told him and the daughter to fuck off.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Males have been emasculated by emasculated males ffs
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyway, today is a day to remember but not to dwell on. 21 years.
Never forget 9/11
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September 11, 2022 8:49am
- jgw739
  
  Indeed, even my children mark the date – despite being born well after the fact. Although my youngest likes to point out that it is still the 10th of September in NYC
  
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  September 11, 2022 2:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Any day of remembrance is a day behind NZ.
    Even Alaska is 4 hours ahead yesterday (20 hours behind)
    
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    September 12, 2022 8:56am
Suze Wainwright

Happy Birthday DPF
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September 11, 2022 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I never knew. Happy Birthday David.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:15am
- Mobile Michael
  
  I just thought that, too. Happy Birthday David!
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:50am
Tony Stuart

I see New Zealand is on track to import more Indonesian coal this year than ever before.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447679/new-zealand-likely-to-have-record-high-imports-of-coal-in-2021-officials

It’s not just the coal, and the emissions it creates. What about all the transport emissions getting it from Indonesia to Huntly, and the damage done to roads by a fleet of trucks going backwards and forwards to Tauranga’s port?

Where are the Greens and Labour Party climate alarmists when you need them? I guess James Shaw was too busy running for election against himself to notice…
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September 11, 2022 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  The irrationality of all involved in climate hysterics ( and that includes the so called mainstream) is beyond crazy.
  
  Germany a great example.
  
  They’ve shut down over a dozen nuke power plants and now the debate is what to do with the last 3 -5 .
  
  This while their once great economy teeters on the brink for want of Russian gas . Not to mention domestic heating going into winter.
  
  You can’t make it up.
  
  Nuts.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:12am
  - leoj
    
    …and all at the feet of the whacky Greens.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:38am
    - Tricati
      
      And Shaw at his re-election speech had the Gaul to say the country don’t want a National/ACT government as it would put back the ‘green agenda’ years. A National/ACT government is what we desperately need to stop this ‘green’ lunacy.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:54am
      - kowtow
        
        We need an Asterix to oppose them .
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Sadly , as I said , the mainstream has bought into it ,hook line and sinker.
      
      Merkle made the decision to shut down the nukes. I wonder if she was a Soviet plant. certainly did way more damage than an out and proud Commie.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:59am
      - Colville
        
        The million Africans she let in didn’t do Europe any favours either.
        
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        September 11, 2022 11:38am
      - Paulus
        
        Thought I read that Germany was re opening two of its Nuclear reactors.
        
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        September 11, 2022 2:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Germany’s DW English-language news service says the Ukraine war has motivated Germany to extend the life of two nuclear power stations by a few months beyond the scheduled end-of-year phaseout.
        
        Meanwhile, Belgium is delaying its 2025 nuclear phaseout by 10 years, and will run one reactor in each of its two plants as backup amid ongoing energy uncertainty.
        
        The European Parliament in July sanctioned the listing of nuclear as “green energy.”
        
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        September 11, 2022 4:09pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I think the Queen of Spin and her crew are 100% on board with this crap as well. Hence the “climate emergency” declaration.
      
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      September 11, 2022 3:32pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Yup, nuts.
    Their politicians did this intentionally, and the results were completely foreseeable.
    Normal people with a brain in their head warned of what would happen and were sniggered at (literally) in response.
    I’m not sure I have much sympathy for the German people – on one hand they voted their politicians in, but on the other hand they’ve been lied to by people they expect to be able to trust.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      on one hand they voted their politicians in, but on the other hand they’ve been lied to by people they expect to be able to trust.
      
      Has NZ become the Germany of the South Pacific?
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump warned them – Germany and UN. They all laughed.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:39am
  - curry4me
    
    I wonder if some enterprising women have bought knitting machines to make a dollar or three from knitting beanies, and mittens for frigid Deutschers with rigid digits?
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:30pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    shut down over a dozen nuke power plants
    
    Some of them were getting to end-of-life – also Germany has a fairly serious nuclear waste disposal problem.
    
    Just so we can look at both sides of the issue ….
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  More EVs means more coal. Wind and solar don’t cut the ice – just a flaky dream.
  Nuclear on the other hand………………………
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Got to be happening in NZ soon. I will be restricted from using my heat pump/air con because some prick wants to charge a car. Yeah, opposite to Cali.
  https://dailypatriotreport.com/californians-are-issued-a-warning-about-charging-their-electric-vehicles-just-days-after-state-announced-banning-sales-of-gas-powered-vehicles-by-2035/
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:23am
  - mawm
    
    Don’t hook your heat pump to the internet just for the convenience of turning on with your phone – it makes it just as easy for the government to shut it down.
    
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    September 11, 2022 2:14pm
- Ruahine
  
  The Greens will be riding around in ‘their’ taxpayer funded electric cars along with thinking up more terms of abuse for NZ Coal miners.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  Goes by special closed coal trains from Tauranga.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:05am
- mogg
  
  Jacinda said “at least we tried to do something”.
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Let’s not forget that today is the anniversary of the Twin Towers massacre in New York.
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September 11, 2022 8:57am
- Ghost
  
  It’s not the anniversary today. The first plane hit the tower after midnight in New Zealand, on the 12th. It’s still the 10th in the USA, the anniversary isn’t until tomorrow
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Sorry, my bad.
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ghost is confusing us by design.
      Some time ago I went to Hawaii. I arrived in Hawaii before I left NZ, timewise. My phone told me.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:57am
  - NoFax
    
    I don’t think that’s how it works when commemorating a day. If we took your logic it will mean we in NZ should celebrate Christmas on the 26th of December, ANZAC day on 26th of April and if I were to live in the US I would celebrate my birthday a day earlier than if it was in NZ. And what about New Year, do we wait until it’s midnight in Greenwich before we celebrate?
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:26am
    - Ghost
      
      No fax you do realise that when we landed on the beaches on the 25th of April In Gallipoli It was the 25th of April in New Zealand?
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:00pm
  - Prince
    
    So should we celebrate Christmas on the 26th ?
    Ester Sunday on Monday ?
    What about Anzac Day ?
    
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    September 11, 2022 9:35am
    - Ghost
      
      Well I personally remember it tomorrow as that was the day that a friend rang me to tell me he was home sick and not at work when it was attacked.
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is fair enough, but today is the 11th NZ time
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:54am
    - Ghost
      
      btw looking at the timeline of Gallipoli, when New Zealand and Australia landed on the beaches on the 25th, it was actually the 25th in New Zealand still
      
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      September 11, 2022 9:44am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s an interesting point, if I convert to Islam, can I have Friday off, Saturday out of respect for Judaism, Sunday because it’s traditional and Monday because it still Sunday in Hawaii?
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:20am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        We have Friday to Saturday sunset to sunset for Shabbat, thank you very much. Feeling very short changed!
        
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        September 11, 2022 10:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    9/11 means the eleventh of September. That is today. The US will have Sept eleventh on the eleventh their time. International dateline makes the US eleventh tomorrow our time.
    Nobody cared about what time the planes hit in NZ time.
    It is that simple.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:53am
    - Ghost
      
      Yet Steve even our media call today the day before 9/11
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126328349/the-day-before-911-a-look-back-at-what-new-zealand-life-looked-like-before-the-twin-towers-fell
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:31pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ghost: NZ media aren’t worth listening to though.
        
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        September 11, 2022 5:56pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I guess the NZ Media are repeating US Media as they usually do.
        If you had a plane that could fly West fast enough you could go back and maybe watch the sunrise last week?
        
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        September 12, 2022 9:03am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Here in NZ we should commemorate the day on 9 Nov …
      
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      September 11, 2022 1:08pm
Maggie Pie

Nosferatu ponders sunrise….

https://twitter.com/MutchJessica/status/1568118858426519553

😛 😛 😛
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September 11, 2022 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That sent the cornflakes flying across the room.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:33am
  - Gravelroad
    
    It’s awkward for Ms Ardern.
    She doesn’t approve of the monarchy and probably would rather not have to publicly admire the late Queen’s achievements (and certainly not acknowledge the new King) but – a photo op is a photo op.
    
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    September 11, 2022 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But but but, she selflessly put her UN waffle to one side.
      
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      September 11, 2022 10:39am
    - kowtow
      
      No doubt one of her legion of PR peeps came up with that one .
      
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      September 11, 2022 11:20am
- Prince
  
  That is one sick lady.
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:37am
- Opie
  
  A vampire alright. Sucking the life out of the country.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Doesn’t like purifying sunlight either , does all her work under cover of darkness.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am not getting that. Can someone explain to a dumbarse please.
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:01am
  - kowtow
    
    She looks just like Nosferatu the vampire .
    
    google images will help .
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Got it. Did not know what Nosferatu was.
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:00pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not a horror genre fan then .
        
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        September 11, 2022 2:17pm
- mogg
  
  Aredern with the attention span of a toddler, ready to take advantage of any distraction which comes her way. She skates around from one disaster to another with her media fan club in tow leaving chaos in her wake. Rather than posing for yet another ‘meaningful’ photo shot MSM should be rubbing her nose in the endless ongoing failures she has created in all areas of govt. At what point did we move to a one party state.
  
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  September 11, 2022 12:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The funny thing is, Jaxxie would probably make an ok GG. Just turn up at every disaster site going & emote. No need to think, or make difficult decisions. Certainly, nothing important.
  
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  September 11, 2022 1:14pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    She would never make a good anything – Umm – maybe squeezed almonds for almond milk.
    
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    September 11, 2022 1:57pm
- Scooter
  
  We might have to start calling her the black widow. Bad news seems to surround her time in office.
  
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  September 11, 2022 6:23pm
Bridgenag

All the worlds a stage……. Jessica’s boyfriend still her bodyguard?
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September 11, 2022 9:41am
Rusty

Watching King Charles proclamation on tv was sort of a strange event.
It was virtually who’s who of British politics and officialdom signing their name to acknowledge Charles as King.

These ceremonies connected to the death of a monarch and the declaration of a new one are a side of British
officiating the public have never known anything about
considering the Queens long reign and the privacy of her own proclamation.
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September 11, 2022 9:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The queen’s proclamation in 1952 was exactly the same and it was in public. But hardly any TV. People would have seen it if they went to a news reel at the cinema.
  
  https://britishheritage.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-proclamation
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:03am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Everyone did got to the cinema in those days. A rousing chorus of God Save the King followed by 10 minutes of the Pathe Newsreel.
    
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    September 11, 2022 1:16pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      chorus of God Save the King
      
      and you stood up for it ….
      
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      September 11, 2022 5:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is impressive that the British manage to keep the proclamation ceremony identical to the one 70 years ago. I just played them side by side. Uncanny.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:53am
  - Alwynn
    
    At least they let Charles travel in a car rather than a sea-sickness inducing carriage. That seems to be the only difference though.
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:24am
- JJ56
  
  Meanwhile back in in NZ who was the women in the official party that wore white?
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:25pm
  - JJ56
    
    Ah, HE Adrian Rurawhe ambassador for the Cook Islands. That would explain it.
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:53pm
Maggie Pie

The-Domestic-Terminal.

Diversity is our greatest strength….

https://twitter.com/Shetch73086447/status/1568222662509330432
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September 11, 2022 9:50am
Ghost

Oh for goodness sake, tvnz will be airing a show on Len browns affair

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/len-browns-former-mistress-bevan-chuang-princess-of-chaos-dramedy-to-screen-after-local-elections/TVTCABP3NBMHPM7COYHOK2UEPY/

The $2.6 million publicly funded telefeature, Princess of Chaos, captures former mayor Brown’s salacious affair with ex-council adviser Bevan Chuang and will screen on TVNZ.

A source who’s seen the show says the infamous sex scene in Auckland Council’s Ngāti Whātua boardroom does feature, though it’s not portrayed in a “graphic way”.
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September 11, 2022 10:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No thanks.
  
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  September 11, 2022 10:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buggered if I know what she saw in that little weed
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Two possibilities:
    1. She saw the same as he saw in her..an opportunity for quid pro quo
    
    or
    
    2. Brown was exercising his “proprietary rights” over his employee
    
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    September 11, 2022 12:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think she is quite attractive in her burlesque gear.
      Or am I just a grubby old man?
      
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      September 11, 2022 12:29pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        No printable answer to that one, Steve!
        
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        September 11, 2022 1:18pm
Flossie

I’ve watched quite a bit of TV about the goings on in Britain, and it’s struck me – see any masks? I fervently hope the government makes the decision tomorrow to do away with such mandates. Life will go on perfectly fine.
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September 11, 2022 10:39am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Flossie – That will increase Labour’s vote massively as sheeple will appreciate Jacinda saving them once again.
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:05am
  - Matt Long
    
    Now that St Jac saved the lives of 50 million people and defeated the evil virus she will grant us the boon to shop without masks.
    In the Name of Jacinda, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
    All the praises and thanks be to Jacinda…
    
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    September 11, 2022 11:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No masks. That is a dam good point.
  What have the NZ Covid experts got to say about this? All hiding in basements?
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  Both major UK papers ( Guardian and Telegraph) on 10 Sept showing photos of world leader reaction .
  
  The only one wearing a mask , Cindy at a desk ,looking really stupid in one , next to a photo of EIIR .
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:35am
Spam

This is depressing

Until a member of the audience raised the issue of Co-governance, Maorification was not mentioned by the deputy leader of National.

In the banter which followed, Ms Willis said words to the effect:

“Oh well, our polling shows it’s only the over 45-year-olds who are opposed to co-governance.”

If true, National are confirmed as poll-driven, rather than thinking through what a particularly policy direction actually means for the country that they apparently want to govern.
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September 11, 2022 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  The under 45’s will be when reality hits them .
  
  At least the Chileans had the sense and ability to reject a “progressive” constitution .
  
  Here it’s being imposed by stealth , by all sides .The Swamp is alive and well.
  
  Party vote Act .
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:29am
- nathie
  
  Except you wanna trust flip-flopping Ross Meurant?
  
  What was the context? Apart from Willis stating the obvious (that over 45-year olds are more likely to be opposed then those under 45), does Willis agree or disagree with co-governance? Who knows because Meurant conveniently didn’t say.
  
  Luxon has ruled out co-governance (which is National’s position) but further in the article Meurant now disregards that and quotes Matthew Hooten in his support – for crying out loud!
  
  Looks like Meurant is also a lobbyist like Hooten? If so where do lobbyists feature on the “trust” scale?
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Slightly below trade unionists & used car dealers; slightly above pedophiles & Idi Amin.
    
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    September 11, 2022 1:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Beware of wolves, sheeple.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-62863622
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September 11, 2022 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  But, but ,but, Sir John thinks we’re too hard on them!
  
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  September 11, 2022 11:44am
rangitoto

My main question today is how long until Putin accidentally falls out of a window?
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September 11, 2022 11:08am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ideally he’d be made to suffer a whole lot more (tortured to death) as a deterrent to other wannabe despots. He’s responsible for the unnecessary deaths of 100’s of thousands, more than almost anyone alive. Sad the way that the worst tyrants tend to die comfortably in their sleep.
  
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  September 11, 2022 1:30pm
  - MCōs
    
    Poor old Gaddafi didn’t.
    
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    September 11, 2022 4:12pm
oldfella

A funny wrap of current US political humour. 🙂
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/09/the-week-in-pictures-god-save-the-queen-edition.php
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September 11, 2022 11:22am
oldfella

Can we expect a similar decision from Cindy tomorrow? Probably… she’s so kind. //
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/national-day-of-mourning-queen-death-to-be-public-holiday/101427050
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September 11, 2022 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

American future?
The day is coming soon where good men are going to do bad things to very bad people.
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September 11, 2022 12:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/poll-shows-40-percent-of-americans-believe-second-civil-war-likely/?
  
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  September 11, 2022 12:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Want to watch some shit right now? Bang on play school TV1.
Many overseas will be streaming and recording this. So embarrassing – the mumbo jumbo
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September 11, 2022 12:48pm
- greybeard
  
  If you mean the King’s Ascension ceremony in Wellington, I turned it off after the first 30 seconds.
  What a travesty.
  
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  September 11, 2022 6:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jacinderella.
Uncle Bob:
One night, At Jacinda’s Fine Fish & Chippie Shop:
Cinda: Order please?
Customer: 6 pieces of fish and 3 scoops of chips please.
Cinda: Oh, big family is it, I bet you have a big house too. Anything else?
Customer: 3 Coke and a Sprite
Cinda: Right, so that will be: 6 fish, 3 chips, 3 coke, 1 sprite, 6 fishing rights tax, 6 iwi consultation tax, 6 seabed and foreshore tax, 6 RMA applications, 3 farming tax, 3 carbon tax duties, 3 water tax, 4 sugar tax, and for the house 1 capital gains tax and one rich pricks tax, …let’s see, that will be $600,000 please, anything else for you today?
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September 11, 2022 12:56pm
Nickc2

Man-Made Climate Change scam busted.

Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace, laments that the environmental movement has been hijacked by the left, whose goal is to instill fear and guilt into the public.

For damning detail, check this out.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/10/greenpeace-founder-laments-hijacking-ecology-by-alarmists/
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September 11, 2022 12:58pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Original Article:
  https://www.theepochtimes.com/exclusive-former-greenpeace-founder-patrick-moore-debunks-the-false-narratives-of-climate-change_4709568.html
  
  “‘Net-Zero’ is also a political term made-up by activists who are not scientists. For example, the top leaders of this crusade are people like Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Greta Thunberg, none of whom are scientists.”
  
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  September 11, 2022 2:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Can we de-anonymise the down-tickers (as in know their user ID)?
  Would be good to know who the “habitual phantom poopers” are. 🫵
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    I’ll go along with that
    
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    September 11, 2022 4:08pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Maybe we could de-anonymise the posters while we are at it 🙂
    
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    September 11, 2022 5:05pm
    - Swifty
      
      There you go again. 😆
      
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      September 11, 2022 6:13pm
I remember when

Is now the time to suggest that one of the benefits of the name New Zealand is that it is of neither English or Maori heritage.
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September 11, 2022 1:12pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/royals/300685177/public-holiday-to-honour-queen-to-be-considered-by-new-zealand-government

A public holiday and memorial service for the Queen is being considered by the Government at the Cabinet meeting on Monday.
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September 11, 2022 2:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ozzie has already announced that it will be having a Public Holiday on Thursday 22nd Sept
  
  https://7news.com.au/entertainment/queen-elizabeth-ii/new-public-holiday-for-australians-announced-after-queens-death-date-revealed-c-8197417
  
  We are bound to follow….
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:01pm
  - mogg
    
    “Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,
    Prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone,
    Silence the pianos with a muffled drum
    Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come’…….
    …..The stars are not wanted now put out everyone,
    Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun,
    Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood,
    For nothing now can ever come to any good.”
    WHAuden.
    
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    September 11, 2022 3:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

With Parliament due to take a break for mourning this week…and a public holiday in the offing the following week, We won’t be seeing much attendance by Our Dear PM at Parliament for the rest of the month, I suspect.
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September 11, 2022 3:05pm
- RalphT
  
  Yippee!
  
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  September 11, 2022 3:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She escapes again. The Part Time Prime Minister.
  And there are people who will vote Liabour?
  
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  September 11, 2022 5:30pm
  - quarterpack
    
    If enough people had not voted Labour last election we would now be under a Labour/Greens collation. If you cant remember that far back, that was because National was on its 3rd leader in the two months leading up to that same election and stood NO chance. If this had occurred we would all be too busy filling in our asset register in time for our Wealth Tax Returns to post anything on Kiwiblog
    
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    September 11, 2022 7:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      So because we were on a new leader national didn’t have a chance? Gee, lucky labour didn’t think that when Little stood aside and let Jacinda lead labour.
      
      We’re still under a labour greens government, with greens signing a cooperation agreement and holding positions within this government. So you achieved nothing.
      
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      September 11, 2022 7:19pm
oldfella

Boris Johnson’s moving tribute to The Queen in full:
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“This is our country’s saddest day. In the hearts of every one of us there is an ache at the passing of our Queen, a deep and personal sense of loss — far more intense, perhaps, than we expected.

In these first grim moments since the news, I know that millions and millions of people have been pausing whatever they have been doing, to think about Queen Elizabeth, about the bright and shining light that has finally gone out.

She seemed so timeless and so wonderful that I am afraid we had come to believe, like children, that she would just go on and on.
Wave after wave of grief is rolling across the world, from Balmoral — where our thoughts are with all the Royal Family — and breaking far beyond this country and throughout that great Commonwealth of nations that she so cherished and which cherished her in return.

As is so natural with human beings, it is only when we face the reality of our loss that we truly understand what has gone. It is only really now that we grasp how much she meant for us, how much she did for us, how much she loved us.

As we think of the void she leaves, we understand the vital role she played, selflessly and calmly embodying the continuity and unity of our country.

We think of her deep wisdom, and historic understanding, and her seemingly inexhaustible but understated sense of duty. Relentless though her diary must have felt, she never once let it show, and to tens of thousands of events — great and small — she brought her smile and her warmth and her gentle humour —and for an unrivalled 70 years she spread that magic around her Kingdom.

This is our country’s saddest day because she had a unique and simple power to make us happy. That is why we loved her. That is why we grieve for Elizabeth the Great, the longest serving and in many ways the finest monarch in our history.

It was one of her best achievements that she not only modernised the constitutional monarchy, but produced an heir to her throne who will amply do justice to her legacy, and whose own sense of duty is in the best traditions of his mother and his country.

Though our voices may still be choked with sadness we can say with confidence the words not heard in this country for more than seven decades.

God Save The King.

RT HON BORIS JOHNSON MP”
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September 11, 2022 4:47pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300685391/huge-quake-hits-papua-new-guinea-extent-of-damage-unclear

Huge quake hits Papua New Guinea, extent of damage unclear
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September 11, 2022 5:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh boy – spa pool time. Not many will watch after the music…..I leave this LOL:
https://rumble.com/v1jeg1p-tom-petty-its-good-to-be-king.html?mref=4pvd7&mrefc=2
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September 11, 2022 5:25pm
Swifty

A very nice vid of Queen Elizabeth:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/646529519595119/permalink/1162157544698978/?mibextid=y5Hli4
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September 11, 2022 6:03pm
MCōs

https://twitter.com/markyp1970/status/1568498207616802816?s=46&t=MiBC3cBQvKleVbi-vZXUMQ
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September 11, 2022 6:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Somebody was inspired by Maggie Pie’s 9:25am post
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/09/general_debate_11_september_2022.html/comment-page-1#comment-3240821
  
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  September 11, 2022 9:16pm
Ghost

LIVE: The Queen Begins Her Final Journey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRQ0DQu5L4
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