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Yvette

The proposed Natural and Built Environments Act (NBA) will be the main replacement for the Resource Management Act (RMA). It is central to the reform of the resource management system.
https://environment.govt.nz/what-government-is-doing/areas-of-work/rma/resource-management-system-reform/exposure-draft-for-the-natural-and-built-environments-bill/

Key recommendations – Te Tiriti o Waitangi me te ao Māori
1 – The concept of ‘Te Mana o te Taiao’, should be introduced into the purpose of the Natural and Built Environments Act to recognise our shared environmental ethic.
2 – Specific outcomes should be provided for ‘tikanga Māori’, including for the relationships of mana whenua with cultural landscapes.
3 – The current Treaty clause should be changed so that decision-makers under the Act are required to ‘give effect to’ the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
4 – A national policy statement should be required on how the principles of Te Tiriti will be given effect through functions and powers exercised under the Act.
5 – A more effective strategic role for Māori in the system should be provided for, including representation of mana whenua on regional spatial planning and joint planning committees.
6 – A National Māori Advisory Board should be established to monitor the performance of central and local government in giving effect to Te Tiriti and other functions identified in the report.
7 – The current Mana Whakahono ā Rohe provisions should be enhanced to provide for an integrated partnership process between mana whenua and local government to address resource management issues.
8 – The current legislative barriers to using the transfer of power provisions and joint management agreements should be removed and there should be a positive obligation on local authorities to investigate opportunities for their use.
9 – The current definitions of the terms ‘iwi authority’ and ‘tangata whenua’ should be replaced with a new definition for ‘mana whenua’.
10 – Provision should be made for payment of reasonable costs where Māori are undertaking resource management duties and functions in the public interest.
11 – The funding and support options recommended in this chapter should be implemented.
https://environment.govt.nz/publications/new-directions-for-resource-management-in-new-zealand-report-of-the-resource-management-review-panel-summary-and-key-recommendations/summary-key-recommendations/

■ Number ‘6’, above – A National Māori Advisory Board should be established … – is this a repeat of the “3 Waters” structure?
That: Tipa Mahuta chairs a Maori Advisory Board that ‘monitors’ the Water Regulator, Taumata Arowai, which controls the “3 Waters” Four Regional Entities, where “co-governance is introduced, but one wonders “Why?”, when Tipa Mahuta and her Maori Advisory Board is at the top of the pile.

Déjà vu as with “3 Waters”?
Except “déjà vu” is already seen
And I don’t know how many people actually see that “co-governance” at the lower Four Regional Entity level is Trumped by the Māori Advisory Board at the top of “3 Waters”

– and now at the top also of the new Natural and Built Environments Act (NBA) replacing the Resource Management Act (RMA)?
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September 4, 2022 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This will be way worse than the RMA. National should promise to implement an efficient consenting process with development and growth the key objectives. Start with the planning laws of Arizona and Texas and go from there.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ Benedict Yu-
    National promised to reform and implement changes to the RMA several times over the years – and then didn’t do it when they had the power.
    They blamed Peter Dunne and W. Peters for this inability to make and manage change.
    There will be some other excuse next time.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:07am
    - Colville
      
      When did they have the votes to do so?
      Never?
      
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      September 4, 2022 9:12am
      - Matt Long
        
        2008-2011, also when Winston offered work with National to reform the RMA if they removed references to the the TOW.
        Also in 1990 when Upton decided to pass the RM Bill unchanged after Prebble had delayed it’s passage so National would throw it out. Socialism on stilts he called it according to Rodney Hide.
        I get the feeling the RMA is to National what Climate Change is to the Greens, something to rail against, get the punters behind them but God Forbid anything concrete be done to fix it.
        Danyl explains them well here:
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-sunday-essay/28-08-2022/the-sunday-essay-an-administrative-revolution
        
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        September 4, 2022 9:47am
      - thirteenstars
        
        2008-2011. Majority government with ACT.
        
        This is a common theme with National supporters: when did they have the votes! they yell.
        
        They had them and they didn’t use them.
        
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        September 4, 2022 11:35am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Prebble had delayed it’s passage so National would throw it out.”
        
        Staggering, isn’t it? This really sums up the last 30 years of National’s slide into purple-ism. Even when handed a lolly of a pass and with the other team out for the count, the National backline managed to bungle the move.
        
        If instead National had developed something more in line with the radicalism of their 1990-93 term, they would have saved this country so much grief.
        
        So we can only assume they agreed with the legislation which makes their subsequent criticism of it not only a bit rich, but deeply cynical.
        
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        September 4, 2022 4:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  Everyone in their right mind should be opposing this vigorously, even the Greens. This has little if anything to do with resources, it’s blatantly Maori Sovereignty centric.
  This vastly exceeds the Govt’s Maori Cacus’s intentions of Co-Governance. IMO, it must have been written by Waikato University’s Maori Studies Faculty and endorsed by Mahuta Corp eh?
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Nope. David Parker is the architect of the RMA replacement.
    
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    September 4, 2022 12:55pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS. It must have been Peer Reviewed by the Maori Caucus and Mahuta Corp then?
      
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      September 4, 2022 1:05pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I say we should label this Government The Gunna Government. As in we’re Gunna build one hundred thousand houses, we’re Gunna plant one billion trees, we’re Gunna eliminate child poverty etc. etc.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Remember a bloke nicknamed “Gunna Lange?”
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:45am
  - Yvette
    
    Alas! No, Lastmanstanding, Pita Mahuta is the Chair of a Maori Adivory Board commanding Taumata Arowhai, the new water regulator, which has been up and running [sic] since mid-November last year.
    It isn’t “gunna” – it is fucking DONE
    
    Albeit about the only thing this Government has done …
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:03am
- Spoff
  
  “A more effective strategic role for Māori in the system should be provided for, including representation of mana whenua on regional spatial planning and joint planning committees.”
  Will we see the re-introduction of indigenous methodology?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/scientists-find-record-of-early-maori-land-burning-in-antarctic-ice/OFW7WNKDLPGVPLDIDEN4I2F33Q/
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:17am
  - ISeeRed
    
    “That coincides with the widespread settlement of Aotearoa by Māori.”
    
    Nope. Settlement of New Zealand by Polynesians.
    
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    September 5, 2022 5:42pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It was always going to be worse snce there is no problem Labour cannot make worse. But clearly they have plans to make it a lot worse. Winston will be delighted with this nonsense which will just feed him votes. National have to commit to scrapping it all and putting serious reforms in place. Who thinks they have the brains and spine to do it?
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:26am
Chris Nisbet

Ha. Thousands of people are leaving hospital EDs before getting seen. I wonder which are leaving in greater numbers – patients, or staff.
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September 4, 2022 8:10am
- kevn
  
  @Chris… Maybe people will be able to drop in to their GP now.
  Our GP just sent an email saying the clinic door is now unlocked… MOH edict?
  Used to need an appointment to get in the door.
  No wonder people were going to ED.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:31am
Benedict Yu

Yay we have new COVID vaccines. 😀😀😀

Oh wait……

“But it’s unclear how much protection the new booster shots will provide. The Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cleared the shots without any data from clinical trials that are testing the reformulated doses in humans.”☹️☹️

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/03/covid-19-omicron-shots-available-but-their-effectiveness-is-unclear-.html
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September 4, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well at least they are no longer pretending that this experimental product is “tested and approved.”
  Anyone taking this thing deserves everything that comes their way.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two boosters every year from now on forever if this clown show is not bought to it’s knees
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:47am
- Matt Long
  
  Are you one of those Alt right radicals that LGNZ, Stuffed,the Smearald and Tabloid Trash are warning us against?
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:51am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Damn right I am!
    
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    September 4, 2022 6:08pm
grumpy

So all those who rubbished the use of Ivermectin fir Covid treatment (unlike India, Indonesia and many other countries), feel like eating crow now?
https://c19ivermectin.com/
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September 4, 2022 8:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  grumpy – also this is worth watching. The truth about Ivermectin.
  
  https://rumble.com/v1huyrn-ivermectin-the-truth.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Money and control. Horse drug my left tit.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:52am
    - Sacha
      
      The first time I ever heard ivermectin mentioned was when Drs were having a ward round with med students in tow. A patient had cultured a particularly resistant bowel infection. A bright young spark made a joke about maybe using this new drug that farmers were using . . . and everyone looked at him in incredulous amusement. Later, someone else (I think it was the pharmacist) looked it up and said it would cure – if it didn’t kill. That would have been in the early ’90s, and we soon learned that it DID cure.
      But ignorance prevails among those who will not learn or who have an agenda.
      
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      September 4, 2022 10:42am
  - grumpy
    
    That is the most amazing video i have seen for years! Everyone should watch this.
    Many thanks
    
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    September 4, 2022 11:54am
- Spoff
  
  Another for the melting pot:
  “Regular Use of Ivermectin as Prophylaxis for COVID-19 Led Up to a 92% Reduction in COVID-19 Mortality Rate in a Dose-Response Manner: Results of a Prospective Observational Study of a Strictly Controlled Population of 88,012 Subjects”
  https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects?email_share=true&expedited_modal=true
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:28am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, that news is two years old. Dr. McCullough in Texas proved it back in 2020.
    
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    September 4, 2022 1:28pm
- surfing
  
  https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-022-01829-8
  
  Best not to link to websites with ‘ivermectin’ in their URL as the bias is already built in … it is akin to seeking impartial advice on homeopathy from homeopathy.com !
  
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  September 4, 2022 12:00pm
  - Spoff
    
    Suggest you swot up on the difference between a meta analysis (reviewing data from multiple dubious sources) and an Observational Study of a Strictly Controlled Population.
    Here is a link to the editorial board of Cureus:
    https://www.cureus.com/editorial_board
    No Homeopaths or horse doctors so far as I can see.
    
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    September 4, 2022 1:08pm
    - surfing
      
      Point still stands. Don’t go to a website with ‘ivermectin’ in the URL for an unbiased view.
      
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      September 4, 2022 3:08pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        surfing – why? The logic you are using is inane and something I’ve personally been battling journalists and politicians with for over a year, without any success.
        I’ll ask you to do the same as I’ve asked all of them. Read the article, find the part or parts you disagree with, then disprove them. Don’t do the feeble minded ad hominem and smear. That’s what all the journalists and politicians do and it’s weak as well as childish and doesn’t get anybody anywhere.
        I’ve yet to get a response from a journalist or a politician explaining what the “misinformation” they claim is rife actually is. They certainly never, ever give examples of it.
        Over to you. If the article is as biased and wrong as you seem to imply it is then you should be able to take it apart in a matter of minutes.
        Let’s try some actual discussion instead of attempting to ridicule something you haven’t even read.
        
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        September 5, 2022 7:17am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Best you don’t go to website with “news” in the URL for the same reason then. Certainly in NZ all you’ll get is pure propaganda.
        
        One simple question for you, why would anyone be pushing Ivermectin? Cui bono?
        What’s the motive? They must be doing it for a reason, what is it?
        
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        September 5, 2022 7:48am
Tasman devil

Jacinda is aspirational.

When there is a 2 in front of Labour’s next poll result she will do a Faafoi and retire within the 6 month window before the election to avoid a by election , aspiring to spend more time with her daughter who turns 5 within that 6 month window.

She aspires to get a meaningless job at the United Nations.

We should aspire with her and set up a give little page for her one way air ticket out of town.
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September 4, 2022 8:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “she will do a Faafoi and retire within the 6 month window before the election”
  
  75 percent of MPs need to agree to waive the by election. So National would need to agree.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:58am
- septic skeptic
  
  Rubbish. Even if she does want out (quite likely) she is the lipstick on the Labour pig and will be under tremendous internal pressure to save jobs and go on election night. Plus even if they just force a Nat/Act/Maori 3-way that would ensure he puapua remains on hold and the takeover can be completed next time they are in.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We have already paid for her air ticket. Her salary is the guts of half a million bucks
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ad: we are not getting much for that large salary
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:55am
- Pavel
  
  While Jacindas numbers might seem bad she is the absolute best Labor can come up with. There is not one single person in the entire party that can replace her and improve Labors polling. She is all Labors got and without her they’re doomed.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:12am
- rockape
  
  How long before an election do the greater Labour Party and unions get to elect the leader? That’s how Jacinda snuck in because it was too close to the election for a proper leadership election.
  
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  September 4, 2022 11:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Was it not the three months thingy?
    
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    September 5, 2022 12:58pm
- IndividualResponsibility
  
  Tasman Devil – in reply to your 8:20AM post –
  everyone here seems to view the UN as her most likely vehicle for worldwide deification.
  I wonder though if BlackRock isn’t preferred.
  
  Did any media children or opposition politician ever query her on why she visited BlackRock H/O when in New York a few months ago?
  If so, does anyone here recall her response?
  
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  September 4, 2022 12:21pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    I can only think Black Rock was used as a conduit from above to further the Utopian ESG messaging and advice.
    A degree of separation from
    Prying eyes.
    
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    September 4, 2022 5:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There has never been an official explanation as to why Ardern visited Black Rock.
    
    Ardern has refused to release any information about the visit following an OIA request
    
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/19630/response/74324/attach/3/16.06.2022%20Letter%20to%20Hill%20PMO%202022%20180.pdf
    
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    September 4, 2022 8:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      That is just bizarre to say there are no notes or minutes associated with this meeting, your request is denied. If there are no notes or minutes then that is the answer, but to then say it is denied makes me think there is something they are refusing to release.
      
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      September 4, 2022 8:22pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Sharma told you all you need to know
        
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        September 5, 2022 1:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Taa as me it too the ombudsman, he has warned them enough
      
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      September 5, 2022 1:09pm
- Scooter
  
  That’s probably the excuse she’ll use to retire early next year or before Xmas (media etc on hols so no need to front for interviews). She’ll say she’s stepping down as when her daughter starts school she’ll have to stay in one place.
  
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  September 4, 2022 7:05pm
Brian McDonald

Great homecoming for Fossie and the team. Congratulations to those that kept the faith in over 100 years of All Black genes – winning in style for more than a century.
My only surprise was that Retallick could put a game like that together so soon after his return to international rugby by probably launching himself into the no-1 lock position worldwide.
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September 4, 2022 8:24am
- Colville
  
  Amazing that having two competent coaches take over from Fozzie makes a difference..
  
  Just shows the prick is utterly incompetent and is only there to save face for the other incompetent prick Mark Robinson
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:31am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    There’s always something to moan about Colville, but a lot less than 24 hours ago. The best AB teams have always had a settled pack so it’s back to the future.
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:17am
- SmokerGuy
  
  A win against a very poor Argentina side (the opposite of the week before) is not a good indication of this All Black team. Yes they played well but they were put under no pressure last night. We’ve seen how they’ve responded to being under pressure and it’s not good! This win basically means very little
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:23am
  - Colville
    
    This win weakens the ABs in the short to medium term as it means Foster wont be sacked till after the disaster of the ’23 World Cup.
    
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    September 4, 2022 12:07pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Him and McCaw were the tow players that bounced back immediately after injuries
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:12pm
Ruahine

Is Ardern and Co ‘hassling’ Disability Groups to find a way to keep some of us having to continue to wear masks.
People just stop wearing them unless it is your choice. You do not have to live your life at the behest of Politicians.
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September 4, 2022 8:26am
- emmess
  
  Yes, do not wear them anywhere.
  Unless someone specifically ask you to.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:15am
Tomtoddy

Great watching a comprehensive win by the All Blacks last night but am I the only one thinking that the turnaround is indicative of their poor coaching?

It took a whole game and a week of puzzling to figure out how to deal with a solid wall of tacklers. You use a short stabbing kick over the wall and get the Argies going backwards. That decision should have been made within 5 mins of the start last week. It was also clear there was a different mindset between the games. That’s a coaching issue.

We will not win the World Cup under Fozzie.
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September 4, 2022 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Just as it took the forwards a couple of weeks to respond to Jason Ryan’s coaching, so Joe Schmidt’s influence on the attack will become more evident with every game.
  
  The key last night was go-forward ball, which allowed Aaron Smith to give Richie Mo’unga a fraction more space. I still have concerns over Smith’s longevity though, and he will need to be carefully managed next season. Finlay Christie really added a spark when he came on for the final quarter, and the extra experience from the bench of Coles, Retallick and B Barrett was really noticeable.
  
  In what has become the closest Rugby Championship yet (The All Blacks on 10 points and the three other teams all on nine points), this was a standout performance. And props to Sam Cane, of who I have been critical. That was easily his best test as captain of the All Blacks, both on defence and on attack. Well played skipper!
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:41am
  - Colville
    
    TS
    No argument that Cane played a good game last night but he remains a long way off being best 7 in the team.
    Play Savea at 7 and Whitelock as captain.
    But Fozzie is too gutless for that.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:10am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – not sure Coles offered much, the game was won by the time he came on.
    
    Retallick will start against Aussie with Barrett at 6 and Frizzell to the bench. I am still not convinced about Reiko Ioane at center but he had his best game there last night so guess he will stay. I prefer him on the wing.
    
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    September 4, 2022 6:34pm
- grumpy
  
  Proved that the players can sort themselves out if the coach leaves them alone. Most of them have spent a few seasons being coached by Robertson and MacDonald so they know how to play.
  
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  September 4, 2022 2:54pm
Nickc2

Well done the ABs but can they maintain or even improve on the intensity?
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September 4, 2022 8:31am
- Brian McDonald
  
  With the same logic toward the engine room yes they can maintain and improve intensity. They can also get back to having replacements who up the ante as happened last night. Good to see Havili finally having his style of game recognized as well.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, I think Havili had the game of his life.
    Players to impress me were Coles (never take a step backwards), Christie, Taukei’aho, and Savea.
    Savea in particular, it beats me how he walks around the field like a crippled old man but whenever an opposition ball carrier or pass from his own side is within reach, he has more speed and skills than you can poke a stick at.
    I also watched the Aust Sth Africa game but that was as boring as bat shit. Kick, kick, and even more kicking from both sides. The only thing that made it partway interesting was when the Wallabies lost their cool and started a fight (push & shove) after the final try of the match.
    
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    September 4, 2022 11:34am
    - Colville
      
      Any ban worthy punches thrown? 🤔
      
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      September 4, 2022 1:59pm
      - grumpy
        
        Handbags
        
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        September 4, 2022 2:55pm
      - Nickc2
        
        There was an attempted eye gouging by the Aussie.
        
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        September 4, 2022 6:43pm
Alan Wilkinson

The Herald is launching onto the trans wars lunacy:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-quiet-shift-to-more-inclusive-pregnancy-language-and-the-long-road-toward-systemic-change/VH3OIWB7NQ5LLA24N5XIQVTKRY/
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September 4, 2022 8:33am
- graham
  
  “More inclusive pregnancy language”?
  
  * Sigh * Sounds like a waste of some perfectly innocent electrons to even bother clicking. Think I’ll pass.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:56am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Oh FFS. I’m sick to death of being diminished and made invisible as a woman by these people. I’d say a lot more about what I really think but given we living in “1984” I’ll save it.
  
  An IT friend who is currently contracting to the Police told me recently that they are currently building algorithms to seek out and recognise hate speech across the internet.
  
  Given the Government hasn’t managed to (yet) pass hate speech legislation this says to me it’s now gone rogue. It has bypassed democracy. What are the definitions of hate speech being used for these algorithms?
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:00am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    We’ve got fraudsters rippng people off for decades like the woman in Herald today and gangsters running ponzi schemes and the police do nothing but waste time and money on that stuff.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:33am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘An IT friend who is currently contracting to the Police told me recently that they are currently building algorithms to seek out and recognise hate speech across the internet.’
    
    That’s got to be one of the scariest things said here in a long time and needs to be broadcast from every steeple in the country .
    
    But the bought and paid for media pardy won’t . maybe the Platform ……
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:09am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      The satirical journal Private Eye once lost a court case in the UK when they reported the goings-on among politicians. After that Private Eye substituted having an affair, or whatever, with ‘urgently discussed Uganda’. For example Lord X was spotted going to the flat of his Secretary where they urgently discussed Uganda.
      
      Hard to see any hate speech algorithm keeping up with human ingenuity.
      
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      September 4, 2022 2:10pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Let’s hope so.
        
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        September 4, 2022 8:12pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Kowtow,
      
      I’m loathe to say to everyone be careful what you commit to print from now on (and that may be too late) because that just plays into authoritarian hands and does the job for them. But I fear that may be the best advice in the long run to keep yourselves safe. Without knowing when, if and how these algorithms will be enacted no one can know the parameters of what’s deemed hate speech, what’s acceptable to say and at any moment changes to the algorithms to cast the net wider.
      
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      September 4, 2022 8:22pm
  - kowtow
    
    Little is off to the 5 Eyes capitols .
    
    I wonder if he’s looking for help on how to spy on citizens who are not ‘politically correct”.
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Utterly insane. UK midwifes have been promoting ‘men’ having babies for a few years now.
  
  Put your coffee down before opening the link. This is the national UK midwifes newsletter.
  
  https://images.app.goo.gl/Jx8XqbpZBnypLxrN9
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    FITH
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:01am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    That is horrible. The Orwellian dystopian nightmare writ large.
    
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    September 4, 2022 8:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Each day I think the Whoreald can’t descend any deeper into the gutter and every day they manage to surprise me with their ability to go even lower.
  If you can get your hands on “What is a Woman?” by Matt Walsh I highly recommend you do so.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tfP98VFfQ
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:22am
- emmess
  
  To anyone subscribing to this crap (I know this not premium)
  I hope this the final straw
  .
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:19am
- Tom Hunter
  
  As usual they’re behind the times. The LGB part of the movement have had a gutsful of the T’s & Q’s. Just one quote as an example, this from a lesbian in Britain:
  
  They latched themselves onto our movement and became a parasite to the equality we fought SO hard for. They’re ungrateful, smug little bastards that need to go. Fight your own battles and leave us out of the whole drag queen story time shit. We didn’t sign on for this shit. We don’t want kids groomed . . . You took advantage of our good will. It’s gone too far.”
  
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  September 4, 2022 1:58pm
Gravelroad

Dear Andrea Vance,
Regarding the job you are doing on $tuff, day after day, alerting us to the dangers of voting for the wrong people in the local body elections.
As you say in today’s bulletin, this is not fun for you.
It is not fun for me either.
And, in reality land, I don’t care what you think or believe.
I will vote for the people I think will best represent the interests of my town and area.
And I expect the other voters here will do likewise.
Your campaigning against candidates is getting boring Andrea.
And it must be getting difficult to come up with new angles to get your hate message across, as today, you have resorted to a “poor me” tone to your story.
Time to realise that the sheeple can think for themselves and make their own judgements without having to be “told” – constantly.
You might be a judge of sheeple, but you know very little about ordinary people.
Yours,
Gravelroad – shepherd
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September 4, 2022 8:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s time to push back against Stuff’s attempts to influence the results of local body elections around the country. It’s up to us, the voters, to decide who we vote for, not a media outlet which would be insolvent but for the public monies it is receiving.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Strange, I thought that is what the media are for, to tell us who is a good candidate and who is a bad one.
    All because we are too stupid to work it out for ourselves.
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:04am
- Yvette
  
  4. Some people who marched alongside Capitol rioters on Jan. 6 are now running for office – New York Times
  
  Local Government New Zealand is behind the move to educate voters with its guide to getting to know their local body candidates.
  Anti-misinformation group FACT Aotearoa has identified candidates with extreme views or association with antivax or anti-government movements.
  It had identified 170 candidates of concern and said many were trying to hide their extreme views – 1-News
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s McCarthyism 2.0.
    It is very dangerous and a serious erosion of democracy. These government funded echo chambers need to be shut down as soon as possible.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:59am
- Ghost
  
  All these hit pieces are likely coming from one source giving all the information to the media
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/local-government-nz-launches-voter-education-campaign-as-conspiracists-stand-for-election.html
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:08am
  - Dougal10
    
    The DPMC is my guess.
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    A crowd calling themselves FACT A(word) seem to be given a lot of credit from the Witch hunter Pursuivants .
    
    Who are they and where they get funding ?
    
    A bit of “transparency” there would be nice .
    
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    September 4, 2022 11:18am
    - Matt Long
      
      Local Government NZ I believe, 5he people pushing 3 waters and race based privilege.
      The vitue signalling White Savior Complex people.
      
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      September 4, 2022 1:33pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      There’s quite a bit of discussion about FACT Aotearoa in the comments section.
      
      http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/08/a-few-thoughts-on-stuffs-fire-and-fury.html
      
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      September 4, 2022 9:37pm
- graham
  
  Good on you Gravelroad. You say what the majority of us really think, here in “reality land”.
  
  I decided to stop visiting Stuff about a year and a half ago. Their constant crusading, championing of “causes” and forceful pushing of agendas wore me out. But more than that, it left me with a deep unease whenever I read an article. I felt that I quite simply could not trust Stuff to report on the important issues facing New Zealand and the world with neutrality, to examine all sides of an issue fairly and without bias or prejudice, and to present reports that might contain facts that they didn’t like but which were credible and important nonetheless.
  
  I don’t think Stuff are capable of reporting just the facts any longer – their agendas have taken over any objectivity they might have once had. If a Stuff reporter was covering a primary school egg-and-spoon race, I strongly suspect she would turn it into a crusade about how Maori and Pacific Island children are disadvantaged because their parents can’t afford real eggs, so they’re unused to them; or how the whole concept of an egg-and-spoon race is a colonial construct and therefore culturally inappropriate. They are that warped.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:00am
- Paulus
  
  We in Tauranga, would like the democratic right to vote in the upcoming Council Elections.
  But Mahuta decided for us and for the next three years that we will have Commissioners.
  So Vance – up your’s stupid.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    Agreed. Yours sincerely Angry from Bethlehem.
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:41am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Likewise from Matua.
      
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      September 4, 2022 2:29pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The left, including our paid-for media, seem worried that we might vote for the “wrong” people. Thanks for the list of who to vote for Andrea.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:27am
- pdm
  
  This years local body elections are single issue.
  
  I will only vote for candidates who make it clear they are opposed to 3Waters.
  
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  September 4, 2022 6:39pm
  - Nickc2
    
    So you won’t be voting for Labour sponsored/endorsed candidates then? THANK YOU pdm.
    
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    September 4, 2022 6:48pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  PS: Why were you so worried about your swipe card movements being monitored a few years ago? What did you have to hide?
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:39am
kowtow

Vance again talking up disinformation/conspiracy theories over on stuff .

Just about every negative thing she calls the VFF folk could as easily be applied to this Labour regime .

Lack of transparency
Disdain for democracy
Hiding information
Violent rhetoric or hate speech

‘share a common disdain for the rules, procedures, and norms of representative governance.’

‘They lack critical thinking and sound judgment.’

‘Anti science ”

Over at Karl du Fresne’s blog he has a good post on Fire and Fury and the comments are enlightening .

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/08/a-few-thoughts-on-stuffs-fire-and-fury.html
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September 4, 2022 8:39am
David George

The Herald pedaling the “Men giving birth” BS this morning:

“Being a bearded cis-passing trans person, the people in the waiting room look at me like ‘what is he doing here?'”

They say they feel like an imposter even though they can carry their own child, which is something they are actively trying to do.

Frankie, who works as a human-rights advocate specialising in intersectional equity issues, pointed to “femininely suggestive” decor, for example, certain posters and artwork, as something that was heteronormative and female-focused.

“The focus is on sex and the fact that [only] ‘women have children’, that is simply untrue. Trans and non-binary people have been having children for a long time.”

Whatever Frankie. Just don’t expect, or demand, that the rest of us (outside of the wet wokelets at the Herald) to go along with your delusions.
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September 4, 2022 8:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  Frankie would be just about the only person I’ve heard of who claims to insecure about the decorations in medical waiting or consulting rooms.
  Perhaps just focus on the welfare of the baby?
  Very few people look at pictures in waiting rooms anyway.
  All too engrossed with their heads down looking at their phones.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:59am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , and then having the effrontery to call an activist who happens to have a PhD an “expert” .
  
  It’s all in the language.
  
  And the media wonder why they are not trusted.
  Only a moron would buy into their neo Marxist Cultural Revolution.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:01am
- grumpy
  
  “Frankie” is a made up person…photo please NZ Herald…..
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:28am
  - David George
    
    No, there is a photo with husband Rawa. Looks like a soft sort of a bloke with a beard, hardly surprising people are more than a little confused. I suspect, despite what they say, that they just love that.
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:37am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      These two are ‘go to’ favourite subjects for the media to use as examples to promote their pet causes. I also read about them in another article last year about how they met in the pandemic.
      
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      September 4, 2022 9:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Possibly feels like an imposter because he/she/it is one?
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:46am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Frankie works as a “human rights advocate”, which means Frankie doesn’t work at all. Secondly, Frankie supposedly specialises in “intersectional equity issues”, which means even if he did have a job, it would be utterly meaningless. Frankie is a waste of space. Frankie says that it is untrue that women have children. Therefore clearly insinuating that others who are not women can have children. Frankie is intellectually handicapped and should be institutionalised.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yo, Mike, Batman and other lefties. Boy have I got a far Right wingnut conspiracy theory for you today! There is ev
en an ad for a new book tied up inside.
“We’ll have another pandemic. It will be a different pathogen next time.”
~ Bill Gates, February 18, 2022.
“A Deadlier Pandemic Is Just Around the Corner!”
INFECTED!!!!! Fill ya boots!

https://go.selfrely.com/infected?
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September 4, 2022 8:53am
- Colville
  
  It’s a certainty we will have another.. Coin toss if it will kill hundreds or millions.
  Life is a terminal disease.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There’s another terrible bit of misinformation and conspiracy theory doing the rounds of the media. Claiming pregnant and breastfeeding women shouldn’t get vaccinated as there isn’t enough safety data. And get this, it claims to be on a UK government website!!!
  
  https://www.normanfenton.com/post/breaking-news-uk-government-says-vaccine-not-safe-for-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-women
  
  This is obviously a lie and the worst kind of dangerous disinformation. We’ve been pushing the vaccine as safe and effective for this group of people since they first became available. We know Brenda is our “single source of truth” and she never lies except when she opens her mouth, so this is clearly fake news.
  Andrea Vance, David Fisher, Michael Baker, Siousxie Wiles and a few others will be along at any minute to explain clearly to all of us why this is fake news.
  Waiting………………tick tock………..
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:10am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I’m not sure Batman is a leftist Steve. I think you might be jumping the gun.
  
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  September 4, 2022 8:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must be a leftist supporter then
    
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    September 5, 2022 8:42am
Tony Stuart

Heather du Plessis-Allan joins the chorus of those laying into Labour over the KiwiSaver GST tax fiasco; she opines:

Labour’s retirement tax plan might be their biggest mistake yet. It was huge.

It would’ve affected most of us. Three million in all. It would’ve left us poorer. Some would’ve been down $20,000 by the time they reached retirement. And it would’ve hit us when it hurts the most: our old age.

A tax this ruthless was always going to cause a backlash.

That’s probably why Labour appeared to hide it. The plan was buried in a massive omnibus tax bill. It wasn’t mentioned in the accompanying press release.

For many, the news – once it did break – was the first they’d ever heard of this tax change.

Labour will argue they didn’t try to hide it. In that case, they’re arrogant. How could they think they didn’t need to tell us what they were planning? A change that affects so many of us at the end of our working lives should always have been flagged with us. It was going to cost $103 billion by 2070. That’s a significant amount of money.

Labour’s fast u-turn was the right thing to do. The alternative was to defend the indefensible and bleed out over days. Killing the idea quickly will lessen the damage. But it won’t prevent it altogether.

Labour will pay for this. The biggest price is trust.

This is the party that has now twice promised no new taxes and twice broken that promise.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/heather-du-plessis-allan-labour-has-broken-its-promise-with-kiwisaver-tax-escapade/7XY4BITXWRLDHDPNRG2O4Y2JRE/

HDPA refers to Labour twice breaking the “no new taxes” promise which was made in two consecutive elections, 2017 and 2020. And the examples she quotes were new taxes, as much as Labour tries to dress them up differently. This is going to be the blow from which Labour won’t recover.

You’d think an experienced political operator like David Parker would have seen this coming, but no, he still took it to Cabinet. And the PM and Deputy PM, no matter how much they may try to avoid blame still allowed it to proceed. As Steven Joyce noted yesterday, both the PM and Minister of Finance get briefed by officials immediately before Cabinet meets; it defies belief that red flags were never raised.

Labour has become arrogant and out-of-touch, much like Helen Clark’s government did in its third term. But it’s only taken two terms for Ardern’s government to plumb these depths. Roll on the 2023 election when we can send Labour to the political equivalent of Coventry!
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September 4, 2022 8:54am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  All is good. Jacinda rescinded because she listened to the people
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:13am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And her fans believe that too…
    
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    September 4, 2022 9:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The next round of polls, which will include the kindness she showed to Dr Sharma along with the attempt to sneak a tax grab through will be interesting.
      
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      September 4, 2022 9:30am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Yes but didn’t Chris Luxon flip flop about Bishop Tamaki? And Robbo has gone the extra mile by claiming Luxon views homosexuals the same way Brian Tamaki does… (shades of the abortion debate, I guess).
        
        And anyway, COVID, imported inflation and economic conditions, decades of underinvestment
        
        Oh, and nine long years of neglect
        
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        September 4, 2022 10:12am
      - kowtow
        
        Got to have a 2 in front of it .
        
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        September 4, 2022 10:14am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        I cannot for the life of me see how Labour are still up above 30% in the last polls. Just shows how dumb the voting population is. They will be pushing for the voting age to be lowered to 16 again.
        
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        September 4, 2022 10:28am
      - kowtow
        
        bobba f
        
        The only explanation there can be is it’s the Fearful Fannies and Freddies who have convinced themselves that she saved them from the plague .
        
        You see them everywhere , driving their car alone or out in the wind and air and open spaces with their masks on .
        
        I reckon it could go into the psychology books ; you can now actually spot the mentally unwell , from a distance .
        
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        September 4, 2022 11:38am
- Paulus
  
  Despite media paid for crap Cabinet agreed to it unanimously.
  For the in uninitiated that is everybody.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:15am
- Matt Long
  
  Just a little reminder Sir/Saint R Douglas of the ACT also introduced taxes on superannuation funds when a Labour minister, the more things change the more they stay the same.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:24am
Mr_Blobby

Why would I suddenly want to contaminate my pure blood.

Especially with something that has not achieved anything useful and may in fact do more harm than good.
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September 4, 2022 8:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another one. Socialism is the future of America unless it is stopped. Same in NZ really – look at your crazy Leader.
https://libertyonenews.com/general-michael-flynn-believes-every-single-american-must-take-action/?
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September 4, 2022 8:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Megyn Kelly educates Fauci on what subpoenaed is.

https://dailypatriotreport.com/watch-megyn-kelly-drops-f-bomb-during-rant-about-dr-fauci/
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September 4, 2022 9:03am
Ghost

I was just wondering when we’d hear from Helen

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/former-prime-minister-helen-clark-calls-for-new-approaches-to-tackle-methamphetamine-harm-in-new-zealand.html

Former Prime Minister Helen Clark says the “war on drugs has failed” and is calling for a new approach to tackle methamphetamine harm in New Zealand.
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September 4, 2022 9:14am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  She could find a lot more things have failed if she wanted to see them.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Labour Govt has failed. Wonder if H1 knows anything about that?
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:23am
- hullkiwi
  
  No wonder there was a segment about a Maori “social worker” who was a meth addict on Q&A this morning.
  
  TVNZ nets a complete overhaul after Ardern & her numpties are chucked out.
  
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  September 4, 2022 9:47am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Nothing short of closing/selling it off as a failed concern will satisfy me !
    
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    September 4, 2022 10:17am
    - Nickc2
      
      I wouldn’t care if the new Govt gave the fucking thing away!
      
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      September 4, 2022 10:22am
- Manu-Rau
  
  I agree with HC that a new approach is required. My solution involves a barrel of sawdust and a double tap for traffickers, manufacturers and dealers. My alternative solution is 20 years incarceration, sharing a cell with the biggest, most well-hung cross-dresser in the Big House.
  
  Thanks, Helen, for pointing out that more needs to be done.
  
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  September 5, 2022 1:57am
Ghost

Incredible that someone could get so close with a gun

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/02/man-arrested-alleged-assassination-attempt-argentinas-vice-president/

Moment Argentina’s vice president narrowly escapes handgun ‘assassination attempt’
Video captures the moment a man pulled a gun on Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
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September 4, 2022 9:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did that gun jam? Or safety on?
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:26am
Ghost

Some good footage of the protests in Prague

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-brink-70000-czech-protesters-flood-prague-over-energy-crisis
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September 4, 2022 9:58am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes. These are the countries to watch including Slovakia Due to over reliance of Russian Energy.
  Good post other day too about NZ fuel supplies.
  NZ energy security will be a crisis soon.
  Watch for this.
  
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  September 4, 2022 10:56am
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah that was rather worrying that they won’t release those details. For anyone that missed it
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nz-fuel-security-status-kept-under-wraps/ar-AA11pRX0
    
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    September 4, 2022 11:21am
    - GJM
      
      Yes, make sure you fill up some jerrycans of fuel and keep the car filled up.
      It would laso pay to have some spare gas bottles for the BBQ, or a camping stove handy for the power cuts.
      I am getting an electrician to price up a change over switch so i can run the hosue from a generator. I have a small Honda generator already that will do the fridges and freezers.
      We have an old coal range in the kitchen in working order. It has been handy for power cuts over the years.
      
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      September 4, 2022 5:29pm
  - nathie
    
    “NZ energy security will be a crisis soon.”.
    
    It has already started – the Chatham Islands no longer has the means to pump petrol, prices will skyrocket as locals are forced to import petrol by their own means and industries there will be affected.
    
    Have we become a third-world country? Looks like it as Labour seem oblivious and the PM is busy visiting primary schools (imagine if this happened somewhere in mainland NZ – there would be total outrage)!
    
    Is it too much to ask Labour to intervene, to ensure energy supply security for the NZ’ers living in the Chathams? Maybe it might be good practice for them?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129774303/closure-of-only-petrol-retailer-in-chatham-islands-leads-to-shortage
    
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    September 4, 2022 11:53am
Swifty

Decades ago I used to LOVE Cat Stevens:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474092/all-aboard-yusuf-islam-s-peace-train-joy-is-no-bad-thing

But now he has joined, supports and maintains his membership of a group which orders death to those who speak against it (among other barbarities):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie

I wonder why the RNZ omitted these salient facts? Why is it that Yusuf Islam is feted by RNZ given his background? Was it deliberate or is the RNZ reporter just ignorant?

Would RNZ staff pillory him if he decided to stand for the local school board?

Would LGNZ include him on their ‘don’t vote for these guys’ list?

If he was a New Zealander would he have featured as a baddie on Paula Penfold’s latest publicly-funded Ardern-supporting, lefty doco?

If not, why not?

The hypocrisy positively reeks.

New Zealand media should be fucking ashamed of themselves. The reason so many New Zealanders don’t trust them is because they’ve our media have bullshitted to them so often and for so long. It is the media themselves that has caused this loss of trust.

I put National and ACT on notice. If they don’t completely abolish public funding of media companies in NZ then they are complicit and they will become my enemies too.
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September 4, 2022 11:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  We have a person here who is standing both for Mayor and as a ward Councillor.
  He is one of those Joke candidates who seeks to enhance his rep as a celebrity/entertainer and is using the election as a profile raiser.
  I predict he has no show of being elected.
  But who am I to judge and say he shouldn’t be allowed to stand?
  The voting public is not as stupid as the msm likes to make out.
  They can make their own decisions.
  
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  September 4, 2022 12:35pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Which of the four carriages on Christchurch’s Peace Train is the “Salman Rushdie” carriage?
  
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  September 4, 2022 11:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tee for me:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/545491349667859/permalink/1109868556563466/
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September 4, 2022 12:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Live. He is coming back.
https://rumble.com/v1i8anz-live-president-donald-j.-trump-in-wilkes-barre-pa.html?
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September 4, 2022 12:20pm
- surfing
  
  Such an awful person … it is a shame because some of his ideas on the economy are quite good.
  
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  September 4, 2022 12:28pm
  - mandk
    
    So are some of his ideas on geopolitics, and law and order, and energy, and the border.
    
    I could go on, but I’m sure you get the message.
    
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    September 4, 2022 1:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Glad you enjoyed it – I did.
    
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    September 4, 2022 2:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump said words to the affect of “2016 was good, but 2020 not so good, it was rigged. But after the mid-terms comes 2024, and I might have to do something about that – what do you think?”
  Well the crowd erupted!
  How many have you ever seen outside creepy Joe’s classroom rallies? Certainly no where near the supporters today.
  
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  September 4, 2022 3:31pm
kevn

@surfing… More awful than the incumbent?
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September 4, 2022 12:57pm
- surfing
  
  Joe Biden? He is a joke. How America can end up with a senile president is an indictment on their political system.
  
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  September 4, 2022 3:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Chris Hipkins may be busy this afternoon ringing up a few tame spin doctors.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/police-finally-release-withheld-report-revealing-millions-in-spending-on-contractors-and-consultants.html
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September 4, 2022 1:14pm
- Ghost
  
  Perhaps it is time someone asked the Prime Minister for her definition of open and transparent.
  
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  September 4, 2022 1:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda would think the question was about the Last Frontier – the Alaskan Interior, and it is huge.
    
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    September 4, 2022 2:18pm
Bridgenag

Just a bit of silly….Went to buy a bicycle pump. Notice on the counter “Surcharge on Credit cards or payWave.” Another sign that said “If you pay with cash no change given” Mama Mia! Lucky I am discovering the cash economy via Trade me. Trouble was I didn’t recognise any of the coins. All looked the same. Blokes at Bowls say I am getting old.
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September 4, 2022 1:39pm
- kowtow
  
  Bugger ’em.
  
  Use cash as much as you can.
  
  One of the most cashless societies is Red China . That’s no accident.
  
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  September 4, 2022 2:05pm
Prince

Excellent article by Damien Grant. hidden by Stuff for obvious reasons but still available if you search hard.
This destruction of Pharmac must be stopped.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129750237/damien-grant-every-life-is-worth-the-same-but-maybe-not-at-pharmac
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September 4, 2022 2:01pm
- KH
  
  Yep. Stuff usually puts Damien Grant out front. But “for some reason” they hid that one deep.
  
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  September 4, 2022 3:47pm
  - MCōs
    
    If Stuff didn’t want you to read his stuff there’s one blindingly obvious solution.
    They’d strike him off the payroll.
    
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    September 4, 2022 7:05pm
    - Prince
      
      Well I agree it is odd to have a journalist on your payroll and then hide his article below the ‘front page’ links.
      But when you read the article it is pretty obvious why Stuff have done that. This could put their share of the $55M at risk, despite being of immense public interest.
      
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      September 4, 2022 10:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats don’t want the truth to be found, but some has been found – or did the far Right wingnuts just plant it there last week?
It works in two ways. Duplicate votes, dead people votes, children votes. Then the other way, if there are a collection of vote from an area or County that is known Republican in a Democrat State, they just sort of get lost or misplaces, or burnt in a dumpster.
https://libertyonenews.com/more-2020-election-fraud-exposed-as-trays-of-ballots-suddenly-found-at-a-u-s-post-office-2-years-later/?
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September 4, 2022 2:16pm
kevn

@SteveO… Calling bat.
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September 4, 2022 2:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think he is overseas on a ‘holiday’//
  
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  September 4, 2022 3:37pm
Hollyfield

A few days ago Mike Hosking said the Govt is reviewing mandatory masks and alert level settings in 2 weeks time. He said there was no way they would be dropping alert levels or removing the requirement to wear masks.

At the time I agreed with him, thinking there’ll be no major changes until a change of Govt, or at the very least leading up to the election. Now however I think we might lose mandatory masks in 2 weeks time.

The PM has been asked about this a couple of times since, and I now think they’re testing the waters – if there’s an outcry they can leave the rules as is, but if there’s no outcry (as there hasn’t been) I think the masks rule could be dropped. The only commentary I’ve seen is from several people in the disability care industry saying the consultation period of 24 hours is too short, and one disability advocate calling the idea of dropping masks “eugenics”. (definition according to Merriam-Webster is “the practice or advocacy of controlled selective breeding of human populations (as by sterilization) to improve the population’s genetic composition” – they must be wearing the masks on the wrong part of their bodies if they think face masks have any impact on “breeding”.)

So, no big outcry.
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September 4, 2022 3:09pm
KH

This is important. Evil from the health service.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129750237/damien-grant-every-life-is-worth-the-same-but-maybe-not-at-pharmac
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September 4, 2022 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

R. T. Rower.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/media-admits-unelected-bureaucrats-in-intelligence-withheld-information-from-democratically-elected-commander-in-chief/?
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September 4, 2022 4:11pm
Ghost

Another day, another youth raid, another shooting.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-grocery-workers-fearful-frustrated-after-brazen-knifepoint-robbery/XSVWM3NKA73GNSZWQP54P5HGLE/

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/armed-police-block-off-road-in-west-auckland-after-reported-firearms-incident.html
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September 4, 2022 5:21pm
CommanderC

Hello Steve (Otto North Shore:))

How did the surgery go?

Are you going to do a MRI scan next?
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September 4, 2022 5:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Missed your comment (spa pool)
  No surgery, just a steroid injection in the shoulder.
  MRI for prostate is soon (no date)
  
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  September 5, 2022 8:50am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m missing my daily dose of Maggie Pie
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September 4, 2022 6:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Maybe her Whitebait was bad and there’s no wifi in the loo
  
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  September 4, 2022 6:58pm
Hugh Jarse

I just watched the Sunday programme by Kristen Hall on the Rotorua homeless situation. The government have created a ghetto with it’s own sub culture. What an utter indictment of this failure of a government. It just epitomises everything that’s wrong with them. Where is the plan B to move them out of the transition housing ?, or is that it now, motels for ever. Those kids growing up in this environment are the next generation of young criminals. These people have just been abandoned by this government because “ it’s complex”., I.e. it’s too hard for just throwing money at to solve. It’s an absolute disgrace and I hope that other media follow up and not let this rest.
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