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NeverMindTheBollocks

For some, Covid is not over. “I first developed COVID in April,” long COVID sufferer Scout Barbour-Evans said”.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/covid-19-why-the-pandemic-is-far-from-over-for-some-kiwis.html

Now, where have I heard that name before? Oh yes.

https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/amp/parenting/family/transgender-parent-scout-barbour-evans-child-baby-family-44554

Bad luck, attention-seeking behaviour or the consequence of poor choices? You decide.
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September 22, 2022 8:04am
- Random T Person
  
  I’m no medical professional but I imagine for this guy long covid is yet another reason we need to take notice of him.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:14am
- kowtow
  
  It’s a particularly social media world syndrome called ;
  
  Lookatmeitis.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:14am
- Loddenthinks
  
  She’s 100% an attention-seeking wannabe, reminds of the pink-haired hypocrite who doubtless cries herself to sleep when not in the news (for the right reasons, though she ascribes to the old saying that the only thing worse than people talking about you is people not talking about you).
  
  She seems fond of mixed metaphors and hyperbole too – from the article: “What I did get was this ground-shattering exhaustion.” I’ve never really considered exhaustion to be capable of shattering the ground, in fact outside of an earthquake I don’t believe there’s ever been much shattering of the ground, but hey-ho. It’s all column inches.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:20am
  - Homas
    
    She was trying to decide between Chronic Lyme Disease and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome when she heard the local quack was running a special on Long Covid.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:45pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bollocks – Nothing to see here. Moving on. Cindy is in UN, that is important.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:38am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  long covid is highly correlated with previous mental health problems. Ie a substantial proportion are due to underlying nuttiness rather than covid.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:38am
  - I remember when
    
    Bone pointing!
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:53am
- Ehlana
  
  So she, midway to becoming a they and after breast removal, stopped testosterone treatment to get pregnant via sperm donor. They is now raising the child (oddly, identified as a daughter) as a stay-at-home dad.
  
  I wonder how the breast feeding brigade dealt with this one?
  
  And how, exactly, does one support oneself as a stay-at-home parent without a partner?
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:59am
  - cmm
    
    “And how, exactly, does one support oneself as a stay-at-home parent without a partner?”
    
    For that purpose, you and I are the partner.
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Winz !
    
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    September 22, 2022 1:16pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Thankfully for she/it/shit the taxpayer has a tit to suck on.
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:24pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  This country is sadly lacking in HTFU and concrete pills. The Chinese and the Russians are pissing themselves laughing at our demise in the west.
  
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  September 22, 2022 4:22pm
Warren

It not the first time Paddy Gower has been caught dropping the F Bomb I the media but it seems the Hypocrite he is and the media that think it’s funny and just another of his pooty mouth mistakes think it’s good for Journalism.
I would like to know why it’s alright for Paddy Gower to make mistakes several of them with the same foul-mouthed affects over the years and it’s just a mistake.
Has he and many others in the media thought about the mistakes Sam Uffindell made over 20 years ago and given him any beni of the doubt, no they have just continued hound and drop sleaze comments about him to help the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern get re- elected.
But it seems that Paddy Gower is a legend in the media for the F bomb and even when it happens at the Queen Funeral his potty mouth is allowed with no repercussions as his excuse of it was a mistake, his reply to the Question was “look the Prime Minister was there , there were a lot of people thereand I was quite surprised they knew our Prime Minister, so I was like wow or far out, he joked. I think I actually said far out they do know her far out.
“Okay, okay everyone makes mistakes ” he said.
Now everyone makes mistakes, so if you live by your statements that everyone make mistakes why have you and many more in the media gone after the National Party there Leader Chris Luxon and MP Sam Uffindell and not offered him the same .
Maybe Sam Uffindell has learnt from his mistakes but you keep making those same mistakes with your potty foul mouth and expect the people to except it even at the Queens Funeral.
https://www.thehits.co.nz/shows/breakfast-with-jono-ben/kiwi-reporter-patrick-gower-apologises-for-swearing-on-live-television-during-queens-funeral/
Rules for some and not for others and media expect respect.
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September 22, 2022 8:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  (Mod – please don’t attack a person on their appearance)
  
  He’s funnier than Guy Williams though, if that’s any consolation to him. (Yes I know Guy Williams and any other of the crop of aotearoa’s current woke, soy boy (& girl) ‘comics’ is an exceptionally low bar).
  
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  December 22, 2021 9:17am
  - rouppe
    
    Guy Williams is about as funny as stepping in dog poo
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:08am
- Ghost
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Is F**k, banned from tv? I’m sure I’ve heard it on tv on reality shows. But I think you are make a big deal of a nothing. Sure it was inappropriate at at a funeral, but it’s nothing. Move on
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:46am
  - Mike H S
    
    Ghost, the reason I object is primarily the hypocrisy of the msm. It is OK for the lefties to do it but they are into the right at the drop of a hat.
    
    No balance to the approach.
    
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    September 22, 2022 3:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      However it doesn’t compare and would be stupid to compare a guy saying fuck on live broadcast to a kid taking a bed leg and physically assaulting another kid. It would be better to compare a speaker who physically assaulted another mp, who has been promoted throughout after that assault.
      
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      September 22, 2022 3:58pm
- Jimbo666
  
  Self confessed tea cup thief as well.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    So a tea-cup tea leaf?
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:13pm
- G152
  
  (Mod – please don’t attack a person on their appearance)
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:08am
- Random T Person
  
  They’re holding the Opposition to account Warren. LOL.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:15am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – if you take Paddy Gower as a serious journalist, it is time to …..
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:58am
  - I remember when
    
    So the media have got it wrong again, SCS?
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:57am
Scott

“An Auckland mayoral candidate claims the Covid-19 vaccine is “experimental” and New Zealand is being dictated to by a “global medical tyranny”.
Candidate Tricia Cheel has made numerous false claims about the Covid-19 vaccine, which has been shown to significantly reduce the severity of the virus.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/300693132/antivax-auckland-mayoral-candidate-says-nz-is-victim-of-global-medical-tyranny

This is what passes for journalism nowadays. Her arguments are labelled as false. No discussion, no reason, it’s just false according to the all knowing journalists at stuff.

I think there was a global medical conspiracy. To lock us down and scare everyone and force us to take a vaccine that is unproven. And for some reason young men are dying suddenly while playing football at a rate that is alarming. Many many people have got side effects from the vaccine.

I’d like stuff to actually investigate the situation. For instance how many people experience adverse reactions to the shot? Is it one in 1000 say? Some say 1 in 100?

We need actual discussion and investigation of this issue. Not a blanket refusal to even consider a point of view that is not approved by the ministry of health and the Labour government.
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September 22, 2022 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Investigate? Wots that”
  stuff
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Stuffed don’t get paid for investigating, they get paid for repeating what they are told to.
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      what they are told to from CNN etc
      
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      September 22, 2022 4:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Blanket refusal tells us one thing, MoH and the Govt know dam well that this was forced on us. They know that the end result will embarrass the shit out of them, and could give rise to legal issues.
  ‘Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who opt out will not be punished’ or something.
  JA.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:04am
- alloytoo
  
  1. First human use of novel technology.
  2. Emergency use authorised with truncated testing,
  3. Resulted in unexpected side effects.
  
  If it sounds experimental, smells experimental…..
  
  Futhermore:
  The vaccine did not prevent infection.
  
  When presented with Israeli data to this effect the PM ran away to the loo while they excluded the reporter who asked the “awkward” question.
  
  Some European governments have prohibited it’s indiscriminate use in younger cohorts. (our government continues to promote it for Maori children (well they keep on using the Maori word for children in the advertising.)
  
  The indiscriminate crack down on dissenting voices. Assisted by the purchases press ($55m isn’t free)?
  
  Something, dunno what, something?
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:47am
- Zero Kindness
  
  The vaccination status and dates of each jab received should and must be recorded on all deaths in NZ from mid 2020 to help analyse and establish any trends. I know of far too many sudden deaths after the clot shot for this to be a coincidence.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:52am
- Loddenthinks
  
  When faced with the possibility of somebody voting for someone with dangerous i.e. independent ideas, the media should arrange a debate to present and consider both sides of the story. There’s ample evidence of the things the verboten candidate has put forward; the media should put forward their evidence to refute it.
  
  Putting your hands over your ears, shouting la-la-la-la-la and telling everyone the candidate is a poo-poo head is not good journalism, or journalism of any kind. It’s cheap, lazy activism and has no place in a respectable media house. We’re running out of those.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Loddenthinks – the go to for media, politicians and “experts” has been to declare anything that challenges their narrative as “mis/disinformation. To date, not one of these people has been able to give even one example of what they are referring to.
    
    Be concerned, these principles are exactly the same as what the proposed “hate speech” laws will be based around.
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:32pm
- I remember when
  
  Scott:
  Surely the question is ‘how do her vaccine claims reflect on her ability to be an effective member of council?”
  If the sole reason members of the council are elected is their belief, or otherwise, in the vaccine, what sort of council will it be.
  Surely the voters are capable of identifying the irrational candidates.
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:06pm
artemisia

Professor Nick Wilson and other academics in the public health are supporting a covid response inquiry. Of course they are. But call me cynical – who is an inquiry gonna call for research to feed into the inquiry, and then afterwards. To add to the many millions for covid research already funded by the Health Research Council and the Ministry of Health.

The Wellington academics – Professors Wilson, Michael Baker, Dr Jennifer Summers and Associate Professor George Thomson – suggest the terms of reference for the inquiry should concentrate on lessons learned for addressing future pandemics, rather than appointing blame.

Well they would say that, wouldn’t they?

It’s a trough, it could go on for years. Or decades.

https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/government-urged-start-official-inquiry-pandemic-response
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September 22, 2022 8:07am
- Simon
  
  Commission of Inquiry’s primary function will be to snow job the state’s ruinous response to a virus with a IFR of around 0.15.
  
  Commission of Inquiry = The cattle must not lose confidence in the state. This will override all other considerations. Everything was fine only minor mistakes were made will be the conclusion.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is why it needs to be a Royal Commission with the right terms of reference and the right Commissioners. Wait for a change of Government. These “Wellington academics” should have no part in it.
    
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    September 22, 2022 1:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I know, we’ll investigate ourselves and the Govt can form a working group to report on it.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nick Wilson will be not far behind Baker in culpability for the worst aspects of what has happened to this country in the last couple of years. No wonder he is saying this.
  These pandemicists must be stopped.
  
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  September 22, 2022 4:38pm
graham

Always good to start the morning with a laugh … for some bizarre reason a Green Party ad popped up on my Facebook feed, pointing me to their “candidate finder tool” to discover local candidates that “care about your community“.

The majority of the comments are pretty similar, thanking the Green Party for providing a handy reference on who to cross off the list and avoid like the plague.

Some poor deluded soul wailed that “Commenters here showing why human life on earth is doomed.” She didn’t get much sympathy …
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September 22, 2022 8:08am
- artemisia
  
  Wellington City Council ex-Green councillor – now an independent – on consultation with residents. “That’s not how we make decisions”.
  
  Now there is Tamatha Paul, still a Green candidate, is the subject of a letter box drop that states:
  
  “A post by Wellington City Cuncillor Tamatha Paul referring to public submitters as absolute knobs has been removed from Twitter.”
  
  and
  
  “It is a dying view to have so much preference over something so inconsequential like what a house looks like. ”
  
  The pamphlet is anonymous so no idea if true. Maybe Ms Paul can refute.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:56am
  - Groggy
    
    Other way round, she was elected as an independent but is standing as a green this time. Student politician who did a great job of mobilising that base last election to get in. only 22 but knows far better than any/all other residents what is best for the city. excels at throwing her toys if she doesn’t get her way. That annoying democracy thing really upsets her.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:35am
Yabster

New Book ” New Zealand;The benefits of Colonisation” -extract on the BFD- discredits some Sumpreme court judges especially Jo Williams who is pushing Tikanag as a common laaw in NZ before Europeans- basically a load of made up rubbish as is a lot attached to the waste of paper called the Treaty…
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/09/22/new-book-new-zealand-the-benefits-of-colonisation/
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September 22, 2022 8:09am
- I remember when
  
  Tikanag:
  By Ethnicity out of Faulty Keyboard.
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:12pm
  - Yabster
    
    yeah- typo- you got the meaning- hope you never do a typo I remember..?
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:39pm
dave_c_

Ardern urges ‘rallying cry from the world’ against Russia

Hrrumph ! I have not heard our part time prime-minister make even ONE rallying cry,
urging her government to get seiorus and demand addressing the significant issues confronting the country.

I give her a rallying cry to start the ‘urging process’, or resign NOW for such abject failure/s.
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September 22, 2022 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Crikey – Putin must be afraid of what Ardern might say and do !
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:32am
  - oldfella
    
    Paulus: behind the SMH paywall…
    
    Foreign Minister Penny Wong says Australia is actively considering sending additional Bushmasters, drones and other weaponry to assist Ukraine in the face of Russia’s escalating aggression.
    
    Made we wonder what happened to those missiles the NZDF had that were nearly at their ‘use-by’ date, but which the Ukrainians could have put to good use.
    I seem to recall Cindy wouldn’t send them for some reason that didn’t make a lot of sense.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:06pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Paulus – Putin has seen how much Ardern has fucked over NZ in 3 years, he must be terrified.
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:53pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  C’mon Dave, she’s rallied the Labour MP’s to continue contributing toward policy that will result in further epic failure. But to be fair, rallying the Labour MP’s entails taking a broom and sweeping the blodges of amorphous goo that comprise those MP’s, into a heap.
  
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  September 22, 2022 3:03pm
Gravelroad

Am starting to find $tuff’s societal change crusading agenda somewhat oppressive.
Today there is another cynical anti-National “cartoon”.
Another not-so-subtle pro-republic story questioning the cost of NZ being part of the Commonwealth with the King as head of state.
Then there’s another local body election beat-up story advising for whom we must not vote.
On the other hand, PM Ardern is doing great at the United Nations – no questions asked.
Now she’s going to sort Mr Putin.
This manipulation by the media is getting a little creepy now.
Yes, I know they are being paid by the government to achieve the correct results.
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September 22, 2022 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Today the Ferald have , can you believe it , an anti Nat cartoon , again , with Uffindel as a monkey on Luxon’s back climbing a hill to the elections .
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, if you don’t like the legacy media in NZ don’t watch or read the papers, much like Twitter. In earlier times I would have sat down to breakfast with the daily paper or local news on TV. I have since grown up.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Good for puzzles only, although with Lovatt’s you can get the same ones for free. I do several each morning to wake up the old noggin.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:26am
    - artemisia
      
      Good and free puzzles online at Mindfood. Incl 4 levels of Sudoku.
      
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      September 22, 2022 11:04am
- graham
  
  I decided to stop visiting Stuff about a year and a half ago, for pretty much the reasons you’ve just given. Their constant crusading, championing of “causes” and forceful pushing of agendas wore me out; but more than that, it left me with a deep unease whenever I read an article. I felt that I quite simply could not trust Stuff to report on the important issues facing New Zealand and the world with neutrality, to examine all sides of an issue fairly and without bias or prejudice, and to present reports that might contain facts that they didn’t like but which were credible and important nonetheless.
  
  From the comments I read, it appears that Stuff are incapable of reporting just the facts any longer – their agendas have taken over any objectivity they might have once had. If a Stuff reporter was covering a primary school egg-and-spoon race, I strongly suspect she would turn it into a crusade about how Maori and Pacific Island children are disadvantaged because their parents can’t afford real eggs, so they’re unused to them; or how the whole concept of an egg-and-spoon race is a colonial construct and therefore culturally inappropriate. They are that warped.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:24am
  - David Garrett
    
    graham: Well said. There is a perfect illustration on Stuff this morning about some dingbat running for mayor of Auckland who thinks the MMR vaccine causes autism.
    
    The story suggests that her view that the Covid vaccines are “experimental” is just as loopy as her view about vaccines generally, and the MMR vaccine in particular.
    
    i am not a conspiracy theorist, I don’t believe there is a plan for a New World order – but I firmly believe the Covid “vaccines” are indeed experimental; indeed one could say the are not vaccines in the usual sense at all, but rather treatments which are largely ineffective.
    
    In other words Stuff simply dismisses everything this woman thinks or says because one of her claims – the claimed link between MMR and autism – has been comprehensively disproven.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:43am
    - alloytoo
      
      Ooh, a nuanced opinion.
      
      Would that the team of $55m were still capable of it.
      
      The indiscriminate branding of folks with nuanced opinions (including objections) as antivaxxers is going to set Childhood vaccine programmes back decades.
      
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      September 22, 2022 9:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. Over the last 70 years vaccines have been a miracle.
      
      Ended small pox.
      
      Would have ended polio if it were not for some militant Muslims in Afghanistan and Nigeria who threaten the visiting vaccinators with death.
      
      Would effectively have ended measles if it were not for some crazies, with New Zealand a notable example of the idiocy. Note that in the USA so far in 2022, 13 measles cases have been reported – this is in a country of 330 million people.
      
      https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html#:~:text=Measles%20cases%20in%202019,were%20not%20vaccinated%20against%20measles.
      
      In contrast, folk who have been given 4 shots of the vaccine over 18 months are still contracting COVID. Indeed most of them expect to do so. To call this a “vaccine” is corrupting the definition and the efficacy that we have come to expect over 70 years. Indeed it has unfairly brought all vaccines into disrepute. See the stunning decline in MMR vaccination rates in New Zealand children, especially Maori children.
      
      This ‘redefining’ of the term ‘vaccine’ is purely to protect politicians like “Stamp it Out” Jacinda. She lied about the efficacy of the vaccine, and used those lies to justify the vaccine passports using the justification that they would stop transmission by excluding the unvaccinated. She must have been advised that most of the vaccinated were going to be infected, and that once infected they would be highly contagious. That reality rendered the case for vaccine passports null and void.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:03am
      - rouppe
        
        The other day I said to a colleague who is about to go get their 4th shot, “at 4 shots is more like a prophylactic than a vaccine” to which he replied that “is the same with influenza vaccines, you get a new one every year, new variants of covid require updated vaccines”.
        
        Knock yourself out, I said, I’m done with covid injections.
        
        Incidentally, I went to a leaving do last Friday. As at today, six people who were there have tested positive. I still haven’t, not once.
        
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        September 22, 2022 10:19am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “new variants of covid require updated vaccines”
        
        He is making that up. The 4 shots he has had are identical.
        
        Yes every year the flu vaccine changes. But the reason he has had to get 4 shots is because they don’t work very well. Not because the virus has changed.
        
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        September 22, 2022 11:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “….but I firmly believe the Covid “vaccines” are indeed experimental….
      
      The new generations of the vaccines are not even being tested with human trials.
      
      “For the first time, the FDA is planning to base its decision about whether to authorize new boosters on studies involving mice instead of humans.
      
      “For the FDA to rely on mouse data is just bizarre, in my opinion,” says John Moore, an immunologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. “Mouse data are not going to be predictive in any way of what you would see in humans.”
      
      https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/08/18/1117778748/whats-behind-the-fdas-controversial-strategy-for-evaluating-new-covid-boosters
      
      As for “I don’t believe there is a plan for a New World order”, I guess that depends on what you mean by a “plan”. I have no doubt that Jacinda and her fellow travelers do have a plan for changing the world for the worse. Indeed her ‘plan’ is now plain as day. Central Government control – see :
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129944717/christchurch-call-jacinda-ardern-announces-new-research-into-algorithms-to–create-a-secure-internet
      
      Would you trust Jacinda to regulate the internet?
      
      Then there is ‘net zero’ also known as energy poverty and de-industrialisation.
      
      Then the last leg of the triad – an end to democracy in New Zealand.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:12am
      - rouppe
        
        Regarding trials, what is the process that gets a new influenza vaccine out every year? How do they complete human trials for that in time?
        
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        September 22, 2022 10:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Call it whatever you want. “Great Reset”, “Green New Deal”, “Agenda 2030”. It is beyond any doubt that there is a powerful and very well funded movement around the world that is totally undermining democracy and is going to be detrimental to the very vast majority of the people on the planet.
        The well heeled won’t be missing out on driving, flying and fine dining. They won’t be going cold. They certainly won’t be eating bugs.
        It’s a cult driven by people with too much power, money and influence and far too much time on their hands.
        
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        September 22, 2022 5:01pm
      - cjn
        
        One good thing about Putin. Jacinda is against him.
        
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        September 22, 2022 7:23pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Agree about the nuance of discussion. By saying someone is antivax they find one opinion at the outlier of that group and then use that to dismiss the person and their ideas altogether as “antivax conspiracy theorist”.
      
      I would argue that we should think about the New World Order label in the same way. The theory goes that the “radical-right groups see Agenda 21 and virtually all other global efforts as part of a nefarious plan on the part of global elites to form a socialistic one-world government, or “New World Order.””
      
      When of course the UN Agenda 21 is real and fundamental to much local planning it was even the first sentence in the Waitakere district plan and was the impetus to become the worlds first “Ecocity”. Is it socialistic and wanting to form one world government. Yes it’s unapologetically socialistic. Will they form “one world government?” No. But are we essentially seeing a shift of power away from individual states to globalist organisations like the UN, WHO, and WEF and even private organisation power like Twitter, and Facebook. While arguably yes.
      
      In fact Jacinda is overseas again and is prioritising multilateral agreements. Currently she is working on legislation for a global approach to control twitter algorithms due to stop “extremists”.
      
      And 2021 has arrived in real time now so are we seeing a shift to a New World Order? 2021 was certainly like nothing else we have experienced. Are we seeing a global power shift? The world health organisation became more important whose second biggest funder is not a nation but an oligarch.
      
      Internet technology and social media have moved us to a new global age where we are more globally connected giving the owners unprecedented power. Klaus Schwabb WEF wrote a book the fourth revolution. How does he fit in. Why do so many powerful people from business and politics attend his events. Where is that going.
      
      So if we step away from the loaded words “new world order” are we seeing a global change, a power shift, a paradigm shift. Are we entering a new age. Are people jostling for position. I’m not sure exactly where it’s going but I think we are. By calling this change a conspiracy theory it stops people having the conversation or being heard. That is the purpose of the word conspiracy theory.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:30am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you are correct, and unless real men & women wake up and push back against it, we will – in Klaus Shwab’s words – own nothing & be happy.
        
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        September 22, 2022 10:52am
  - Caine9
    
    100%.
    Then they have the gall to claim they produce “quality journalism” and struggle with poverty so want charitable contributions.
    O FFS! Isn’t that where to $55m comes in?
    If their advertising revenues aren’t sufficient, then maybe their product isn’t worth it. The Market has spoken.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:58am
    - riffer
      
      So here’s your problem. Your insistence that a service only has merit if those with high disposable income are prepared to pay for it.
      
      The market has extremely selfish, short term interests, and is not always compatible with a better society.
      
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      September 22, 2022 2:33pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Unlike forced medical treatments, segregation of a minority, bribing of mainstream media, rushed and undemocratic law changes and forced language education which have undoubtedly made NZ society so much better than it was 5 years ago. //
        
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        September 22, 2022 5:05pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Its not just Stuff, its the lot of them.
    
    This morning my google feed came up with a Newsroom article ‘Christchurch council execs flayed by staff’. I read it with some interest.
    
    ‘At a governance level, the council is in a state of flux. Mayor Lianne Dalziel is stepping down and her job is being pursued by 10 men and a woman, with the front-runners, according to a Q+A Kantar poll, vigilante councillor Phil Mauger and former Canterbury District Health Board boss David Meates.’
    
    Axe to grind much, clearly not enough woman and the ‘vigilante’ Mauger. Clearly we know who they prefer. If we werent sure enough they followed with …
    
    ‘Mauger, who admits he hasn’t read the survey report, defends the council’s leadership…’
    
    I bet Meates hasn’t read it either. At least I know who do vote for now 🙂
    
    Re Stuff I note they are runnig a second day of attack cartoons against National / Uffendal. I can understand that the cartoonist might have a bias but the sad thing is the drawing is piss poor and the ‘points’ not funny or clever. Get better cartoonists.
    
    The problem with these media outlets is they push away people like us. We are forced to get our ‘news’ from other places which may also be inaccurate. In an effort to convert us to their view they push us towards potentially more extreme right wing sources.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:04am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “The problem with these media outlets is they push away people like us. We are forced to get our ‘news’ from other places which may also be inaccurate. In an effort to convert us to their view they push us towards potentially more extreme right wing sources.”
      
      Can’t agree Rob – the media isn’t interested in “people like us” because we pay attention and would never vote for Jacinda anyway. We’re not their target audience and they don’t care what we think and they’re not trying to convert us to their view..
      
      Re “pushing us towards potentially more extreme right wing sources” that’s nonsense. Suggesting someone might be pushed towards extreme content because the media wouldn’t publish views they agree with is intellectually lazy if not dishonest. Every person needs to own their actions and the consequences.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:32am
      - RoboRob
        
        What I was trying to say was that if the MSM such has the Herald, Stuff, TVNZ, TV3 are all publishing stuff that is biased and deceptive then people who see through that will stop using those sites.
        
        If you stop using the MSM sites where then do you get your news? You might get it from AU outlets (sky news) or maybe Fox news. These are the sites that Stuff et al are ‘fighting against’. The reason stuff choses to only print one side of the climate change debate is to combat the likes of fox news. But what they are doing is pushing people in that direction. So they are failing to acheive their gaols.
        
        Re ‘extreme’ content. Everyones view of extreme is different, to a Stuff author Fox news might be extreme. How many here visit sites, such as the dailywire, that have hosts banned in Canada for extremism?
        
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        September 22, 2022 11:28am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    graham, I’m surprised you lasted this long. The one error you have made in your comment is “a Stuff reporter”. Stuff ceased having reporters years ago. They have a bunch of people that give their opinion. And that is not reporting.
    
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    September 22, 2022 3:12pm
- Prince
  
  I find the lack of diversity of opinion the most interesting aspect.
  I suppose if you hire a lot of young, often female journalists straight out of polytech, on low wages, you are unlikely to get a wide range of topics and opinions, but the obsession from cartoonists on attacking the National Party, and sanctifying the Prime Minister, I can’t explain and, like you, find quite creepy.. Cartoonists have a long proud tradition of ‘speaking truth to power’, but in NZ that seems to have been swept aside by the need to keep the paymaster on side.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Of course only one male is a member of the Parliamentary Press Gallery – and he is thought to be senile anywayby all the other wannabees.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:35am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Prince-
    Decades ago I was a young journalist straight out of polytechnic on low wages.
    Just change the word journalist to reporter – there was a big difference in those days.
    Also, young reporters were closely monitored and managed by the senior members of staff – due to our lack of experience and knowledge of the general public’s expectations that what we were supplying them to read was accurate and free from personal or political bias.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:44am
- nathie
  
  Must be time for Stuff to rebrand themselves (after all what sort of name does Stuff convey) …. I think Agenda would be more appropriate!
  
  Are there any other suggestions?
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Te Kaitukituki
    or
    Kaitirotiro Tangata
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:09am
  - oldfella
    
    Nathie: how about Shitt as their new name? Works for me, and accurate as well.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What’s the Maori word for Pravda?
    
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    September 22, 2022 5:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      pono
      
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      September 22, 2022 5:21pm
- PeeJay
  
  I think this is probably the third cartoon hit job on Luxon and the Uffindell report.
  
  Let’s recap shall we.
  
  National. Allegations about an MPs behaviour when he was a kid and a young adult. Obviously a bit of a tool back then but Nationals response was to do an investigation. Sure, not ideal that it hasn’t been published but the confidentiality reasons seem plausible.
  
  Labour. Husband of the Foreign Minister given numerous non-compete contracts (WTF!) often been paid with no contract, no process and no outputs. Not too mention the Sharma allegations where they basically sent him to Siberia!
  
  So which party is more deserving of scrutiny? That’s right – National! Unbelievable!
  
  Bridges line in his valedictory speech about the media needing to hold the powerful to account and then reminding them that the party with power is the government is so true.
  
  Many things I like about living in NZ. The pathetic state of this country’s media however is not one of them.
  
  And just to be clear, I am no fanboy of National! I think they are weak and often settle for a managed decline approach rather than real structural change. However their treatment by the MSM is completely toxic. If they get in next year I would find it hard to begrudge them some Utu on the media such as massively cutting advertising budgets. An independent enquire into the relationship between the media and the PMs office wouldn’t be a bad idea either!
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:44am
  - rouppe
    
    (Mod – this case has name suppression, even though your hint of who it involved is wrong)
    
    Same with the rapist allegation and the sorry-not-sorry from Mallard
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Putin is shaking in his boots. He is so terrified to even say “I refude that”
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:11am
Tony Stuart

It’s going to be interesting to see how the Public Service Commissioner’s inquiry into conflicts of interest and perceived conflicts of interest pans out. The PSC seems to have been dragged kicking and screaming into holding an investigation.

All power to Thomas Cranmer, who has been incredibly diligent getting his ducks in a row. He’s done an interesting piece on his blog, and suggests that the Auditor-General may also now be taking an interest. Concurrent PSC and A-G inquiries could be really damaging to the Government, but they are essential if we are to have confidence in the way conflicts of interest are managed.

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/the-commission-launches-its-investigation?r=1q83zj&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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September 22, 2022 8:11am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Quote mahuta – ‘I have a talented whanau’ …. Snort!!!
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:20am
  - zulumonster
    
    Mahuta also referred to NZ’ers only having two degrees of separation – and for Maori it was only one. I took this as a slightly creepy reference to her marriage …
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:01am
  - G152
    
    Not so much talented than corrupt
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  Until the Media Pardy treat Labour like they do the right of the spectrum, all this stuff will be buried on the back pages , won’t lead the nightly struggle sessions , so the swing voter ( that all important thicko every body says is so crucial to victory) won’t be swayed past their fascination with what Jacinda’s milner or tailor has come up with for her .
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:23am
  - nathie
    
    Too right, Newshub’s political reporter last night said these stories had been “bubbling away in nasty corners of the internet”
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/nanaia-mahuta-confident-she-s-been-assiduous-in-declaring-conflicts-of-interest-as-probe-looks-at-departments-handling.html
    
    1. What does that mean – Twitter? And as if Newshub and co will ignore “nasty” Twitter if something “bubbled away” there that aligned with their worldviews.
    
    2. But what does that mean for the MSM? That most of them ignored this story (apart from NZME) until Minister Mahuta took action yesterday? How slack is that, another MSM fail?
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:52am
- Tricati
  
  Given the nature of the contracts, and the fact they were by decision, uncontested by other more qualified & experienced organizations, then the Auditor General is the appropriate office to review this sham.
  For me, it is the nepotism involved that goes to the heart of this deceptive government. Look at any of the key issues at present (3 waters, co governance, unemployment insurance, free speech, covid mandates etc) there is an underlying stink to all of them.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:25am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, what was also interesting last night were the side messages from Mahuta herself.
  
  That is she was claiming she had not done anything wrong & declared all interests,yet Simeon Brown was pointing out she hadn’t
  
  And
  
  She was also worried about “her” name being connected to all the news swirling around about her husband’s business affairs.
  
  We’re both these statements code for:
  1. An instruction to all public servants related to any of these contracts, to get rid of any incriminating evidence?; and
  2. Making sure his name has been cleared of any whiff of corruption when she makes a tilt for the Labour leadership on the demise of PriNZess?
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:29am
- Yabster
  
  Yep Chippie and Fatty say “NZ is a small country- we will get conflicts of interest”- the absolute disregard for the NZ public is stunning, even for these muppets. So three different Government departments (there will be more) thought Ormsby and his “crew” where the best consultants for the job (he must have a very wide set of skills) -so much so they didn’t bother to tender or follow conflict of interest protocols.
  
  The enquiry will just say some nameless public servants didn’t follow protocol, Mahuta will be cleared of any wrong doing and after all you can’t blame Ormsby for milking a broken system right…?
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    5,000,000 people, 16% Maori = 800,000 Maori. She had 800,000 Maori to choose from and she had to choose her family every time??? Not very assiduous.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:54am
    - Paulus
      
      Winston said the other day in his excellent speech (for him) that to be on the Maori Roll the ratio is 1/512.
      
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      September 22, 2022 9:38am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Excellent, they are trying to create Maori’s!
        
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        September 22, 2022 3:18pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Report results…
    
    Systematic organisational issues found but no single person responsible for failure. Many learnings taken and all recommendations accepted, many of these already being put in place before the report was published.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Unique skills, and have you ever heard of a consultant not taking notes at a meeting (hui), and not producing a report? We have now!
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:12am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @hullkiwi-
      Absolutely.
      If there were no written notes or speech recorded at the meeting – for all intents and purposes there was no meeting.
      
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      September 22, 2022 9:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Bryce Edwards has said the same thing in his article too.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:39am
- Clyde
  
  At the heart of this is the direction – call it compulsory guidelines – that all Government Departments and indeed Local Bodies have to “consult” with the Eastern Polynesians. That is the root cause of this plethora of “gifted” people who are suddenly popping up to slurp at the taxpayer trough. This nation needs to start returning to democracy pdq.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:53am
- JimBobJoe
  
  A-G review is excellent. They are anal retentive about Goverment Procurement Rules and Probity.
  
  Prima Facie all these agencies have failed perceived conflict of interest risk management 101 by issuing contracts to Mr Ormsby given his spouses relationship with the contract issuing Agencies.
  
  Pass the popcorn this could get really interesting
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:59pm
hullkiwi

A Mikey beat up..

Welcome to World Dogma day, a day in which out does common sense….or

As others are calling it….

Make today World Car Free Day…..

I shake my head…..a case of dogma instead of applying logic…
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September 22, 2022 8:14am
Tomtoddy

The evil of the United Nations machine is thinly disguised by having world leaders dress up in their best garb and prattle on about how they would fix the world. Watched a few minutes of Biden and a bunch of small country leaders all saying similar platitudes into the echo chamber of hopelessness and inaction. What a waste of time and money.

Our PM is about to join in and rattle on about saving the world. I agree with Seymour – get home and deal with real problems instead of strutting the world stage.
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September 22, 2022 8:14am
- Cassandra
  
  Who on earth does she think is listening? Part of her next-job application of course but her current employer (me) would like her to stop wasting his money. OTOH she’s doing less damage staying overseas.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Her faithful. It is like her Christchurch call. A case of political posturing out doing logic.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:09am
- Alex
  
  Cindy has tried to stop Free Speech in NZ, remember Kris Faafoi having a go, now she is trying to air the idea at the United Nations along with Macron.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:23am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I clicked on a twitter feed that Maggie posted yesterday and scrolled down to another post showing our princess opposite Trudeau in the private jet both wearing masks …. You can’t make this shit up. Over 2000 people at the funeral and I only saw one face mask (and one eye patch!)
  
  These two idiots are a complete waste of oxygen
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:26am
  - Clownworld
    
    Unfortunately although they are projecting themselves as idiots to sane thinking people, the collective global insanity means they will continue to be elite leaders and they are getting away with their evil madness.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Both of them are Klaus Schwab disciples. I know, correlation is not causation, but the coincidences are compelling.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:40am
    - All_on_Red
      
      You can take the Fidel Castro boy out of Cuba but you cant take the Fidel Castro out of the boy…
      Trudeau is just another Fascist Authoritarian. Jacinda would have been happily picking up all the tips he gave about how to suppress and control the people.
      He is one of the worst.
      
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      September 22, 2022 11:55am
  - kowtow
    
    The person they were shown talking to didn’t have a mask on ,so it can’t have been some airplane mandate . Just more OTT theatre .
    
    Another photo was of Turdeau singing in a hotel in London , no mask .
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:46am
- cmm
  
  The reality is that if she came home that’s all she’d do about problems here too: platitudes and uselessness.
  So, really, it does not matter where she is. I suppose though it’s a bit more expensive on the taxpayer if she’s overseas.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:27am
  - oldfella
    
    I’m sure the PM is hanging out for a decent lamington when she gets home. //
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:45am
- Yabster
  
  Yep the UN – a waste of time- the veto power makes it more so. China is a memeber of the UN human rights cuncil….
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do all those leaders speak the same word soup waffle?
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:20am
I remember when

Uffindell
As Frank Sinatra said, “Play in again Sam.”
Or , Sharon Murdoch, “play it again and again and again.”
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September 22, 2022 8:15am
- MCōs
  
  Ingrid Bergman said ‘Play it, Sam’
  https://youtu.be/7vThuwa5RZU
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:26am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Humphrey Bogart said “You played it for her, you can play it for me!”
    
    Which, paraphrased is “Play It Again Sam”. so the misquoted line is actually from Bogart, not Bergman.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:54am
    - MCōs
      
      That’s drawing a long bow!
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:11am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The mis quote is inclusion of the word “again”!
      
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      September 22, 2022 2:36pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    One of the many things I’ve always loved about that scene is the camera holding silently on Bergman’s beautiful face for a long, long time (as movie’s go) and her using that to show an expression changing so subtly to wistfulness and sadness and yet doing it with small movements of her head rather than anything obvious on her face.
    
    It’s a stunning piece of acting.
    
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    September 22, 2022 1:12pm
Yvette

Christchurch Call: Jacinda Ardern announces algorithm work with US, Twitter, Microsoft
The statement said artificial Intelligence algorithms play a growing role in people’s lives, including in how we organise information, and experience the internet. A majority of the content encountered and viewed online is curated by algorithms in some form.
“Working with an open-source non-profit organisation called OpenMined, the Algorithms Initiative will develop and test ground-breaking privacy-enhancing software infrastructure to address those challenges and help us move forward work under the Call.
“While this initiative won’t tell us all we need to know about the outcomes algorithms are driving online, it will help us better access data so researchers can answer these very questions.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/christchurch-call-jacinda-ardern-announces-algorithm-work-with-us-twitter-microsoft.html

On her return from New York, Jacinda could perhaps “answer these very questions” –
What the hell are algorithms

And are they as difficult to define as “co-governance” – anything other than “one person, one vote” is something else

Or defining “hate speech” – “when you see it, you’ll know it”, means it will always be after it has been uttered, just as the use of “algorithms” – whatever still the hell they are, means too that they are “after the bloody fact”.
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September 22, 2022 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘What the hell are algorithms?’
  PM, “Well you know, they are those little things you can’t see, inside computers – but you know, they work hard all the time. People like Bill Gates make them”
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    We used to call them programmes when I was doing it – over 50 years ago.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:41am
    - rangitoto
      
      To be fair, the term algorithm goes back a long way in computing. Nick Wirth’s book “Algorithms plus Data Structures = Programs” was widely used for teaching programming back in the 70’s
      
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      September 22, 2022 11:24am
- RoboRob
  
  I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic around algorithms or you really don’t know what an algorithm is. In a software sense, an algorithm is a piece of code that processes data turning it into a particular result set. My like in maths a formula turns inputs values into a result.
  
  The formulas that Jacinda is referring too, and admittedly she may not know what they are either, are the ones that social media and search engines use to determine what news / posts / videos to promote to you. These are supposed to be based around your individual viewing habits and interests.
  
  The problem with what she is asking for, and in this case I am sure she has no idea, is that having google etc modify their algorithms to exclude or promote certain stories / posts determined by humans just means that the people tuning the algorithms get the power. We already see this with sites such as meta and twitter admitting that at the request of the FBI they ‘de emphasised’ stories around Hunter Biden and his laptop. Instead of political hacks like us seeing stories on this pop up in recommended viewing, they just quietly dropped way down the list.
  
  Obviously the meddling that JA is requesting, whilst well intentioned can be used for ‘evil’. Right now the left is happy with big tech censoring stories because the people in power are left wing but it can and will swing the other way too. Look at the absolute terror on the left at the potential of the ‘right wing’ Elon Musk getting control of Twitter.
  
  Algorithms are written by people for people so there will always be the potential for bias BUT who would want the government telling tech companies what to promote. The always short sighted left think it’s a great idea as they are in power now, but watch what happens when the other side gets control.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:27am
  - Yvette
    
    RoboRob – think you for your response
    Indeed I was not being sarcastic – Ardern needs to define each of “algorithms”, “co-governance” and “hate speech”.
    
    But regrading algorithms, my understanding was that they are means of detecting information such as manifestos or terrorist promotions, or video – such as Tarrant’s live stream – so they can be eliminated immediately from Internet access, to fit with Ardern’s earlier statements on terrorist Internet use.
    
    I guess now, after her March Parliamentary experience, those aims and the “algorithms” may have changed – whatever, she is not communicating it as well as her brilliant international communications reputation would have us to expect.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:18am
    - RoboRob
      
      Hi Yvette
      
      Ardern wants to have the algorithms tuned to hide / remove terrorist promotions etc. The issue is how this is done.
      
      The algorithms need to be taught how to tell the difference between a general post and something that is ‘anti social’, the most basic way of doing this is to provide a ‘black list’ where humans enter a list of keywords or sites that are defined as banned. Probably twitter used such a process to hide the Hunter Biden story, they would have defined any post with ‘Hunter Biden’ AND ‘laptop’ as banned. They also would have banned posts with ‘Hunter Biden’ AND NY post as the source. As you can see this sort of algorithm is wide open to meddling. I could have ‘Three waters’ and ‘opposed’ as key words and to hide my tracks not band the posts, just reduce their chance of showing by 75%.
      
      A fancier / better way to block content is to have a separate source provide ‘scores’ on data. Any data with a score less than say 25 out of 100 gets blocked. This is in place with Covid information. ‘Fact checkers’ (Read liberal think tanks) fact check stories, there results (True, mostly true, partially true, False) are passed in to search engines. Stories classified as ‘False’ would be de prioritised. They would still come up in searches if you searched the exact wording (i.e. Alex jones Covid Frogs) but on other searches might come up on page 100. Note this still has the same issue as the ‘black list’ system, in this case the selection of third parties and their motives determine the result.
      
      So with a layman’s understanding of the issue it is obvious that if we allow the govt (or others) to filter information, even with the best intents, we open ourselves up to the potential for information control on a massive scale. We know that in the US some people would have voted differently if they knew about Hunters laptop and the ‘big guy’ deal with the Chinese, but that information was not allowed out until after voting.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:48am
Alex

Putins story has changed in Ukraine First he was clearing out Nazis.
Now Markov his propagandist is telling BBC Today that Ukranians are his brothers and won’t nuke them.
But as the west are turning the Ukrainians into slaves he will nuke them (the west that is.).it gets worser and worser (Lewis Carrol)
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September 22, 2022 8:18am
kowtow

Cricket riots spread to Birmingham.

Diversity dividend , the gift that keeps on giving.
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September 22, 2022 8:19am
- James Stephenson
  
  Norman Tebbit was right, Enoch too come to think about it.
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:23pm
pdm

Yesterday I sent the following email to Nanaia Mahuta.

`Good morning

I strongly oppose the divisive rort that is the 3Waters programme you are leading and advise this years Local Body Elections are a single Issue matter for me.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE STANDING FOR COUNCIL WHO SUPPORTS 3WATERS.

Mahutas email address is: [email protected]

I urge all kiwibloggers to send similar emails re the insidious 3Waters rort.

I heard Mahuta say in an interview yesterday morning that there is not much opposition to this rort.

ps I did include my full name and address in the email.
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September 22, 2022 8:20am
- Cassandra
  
  If you only listen to those around you, all depending on her for handouts, then you’ll get the answer you want. She is a disgrace, an insult to the concept of democracy. How the Labour Party can tolerate this is beyond me. Peter Fraser would be appalled.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  @pdm-
  Not true here pdm. There is a heap of opposition to Three Waters from the Mayor down.
  Ms Mahuta only sees what she wants to see.
  Also, she knows that many (most) people, are not bothered about the reality of Three Waters, or even know about the detail.
  So long as water keeps coming out of the tap and going down the plug hole – who cares how it gets there or where it goes?
  People will only wake up when it starts costing them more money on their tax/rates/compliance accounts and by then it will be too late.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  Wouldn’t surprise me if you end up on some list of “anti” types that the regime will undoubtedly be compiling.
  
  Seriously.
  
  Recall how a number of rural organisations were afraid to be associated with the Groundswell protests .
  
  That is the New Zealand this regime has created.
  
  Be nice . Yeah right.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “Leading with empathy”, “your single source of truth”, “team of five million”, “safe and effective”. “government for all”, “relentless positivity” – has any leader ever spouted so many inanities? So many vacuous, meaningless sound bites? So many irrelevant slogans?
    
    Ardern is a walking PR construct without a shred of substance. A fake and a fraud. She is being exposed now to the rest of the world and it is embarrassing. The princess has no clothes and it’s an ugly sight.
    
    DPF is quoted in a recent UK Express article about Ardern and her many broken promises.
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1659221/jacinda-ardern-broken-promsies-new-zealand-spt
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:52am
- Debsta
  
  Done PDM!
  I sent the following and also gave my name & address:
  
  Dear Ms Mahuta
  You are wrong. There is much opposition out here in the real world to your apartheid view of life.
  In particular, 3Waters is seen for exactly what it is…a power grab by Maori elite, theft of tax/rate payer assets, furthering division of NZ society into “us and them” mentality.
  No good will come of your approach, please just stop.
  Yours sincerely
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:42am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Well done Used that
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:13am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Nearly 90,000 submissions and nearly 10,000 submitters wished to make oral submissions. Not much opposition?
  They then gave the oral submitter two weeks.
  This government are Whankaas.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:47am
Nickc2

An investigation into the awarding of Govt contracts to Mahuta Corp?
Who would have guessed?
I observed Nania Mahuta’s press interview on the subject and her demeanor indicated to me that a conclusion and solution had already been reached. Parliamentary Services have been tasked to have the Ministerial Handbook rewritten in Te Reo and an apology made to Mahuta Corp and all ministers involved.
No surprises there ah?
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September 22, 2022 8:21am
slightlyrighty

I note that Gannin Ormsby’s company was set up in 2019.

https://www.kaawatea.nz/

Its mission statement is simply a collection of Buzzwords. I wonder if there is any tangible evidence of what it provides?

Or does it just exist as an entity that government departments pay money to? (Without subjecting it to normal scrutiny?)

It looks dodgy as all hell…..
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September 22, 2022 8:25am
- oldfella
  
  SR: I wonder if someone could dig up a copy of Ormsby’s CV? Does he even have any of the skills/expertise for which he’s being paid?
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:51am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1WFOpcZe8
Federal Court Crushes Cancel Culture and Big Tech Censorship!
A court in Texas passed a law forbidding social media outfits with more than 50 million members cancelling or censoring people
It was appealed. The Fifth Circuit upheld it. It’ll likely go to SCOTUS. That means it’ll likely apply in all 50 states. Liberals are mildly concerned. [11:35]
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September 22, 2022 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is this what Musk has been waiting for?
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:44am
  - curry4me
    
    I guess it could be. If SCOTUS make it national, he won’t have to buy Twitter. It’ll automatically be a free speech zone.
    
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    September 22, 2022 6:32pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI3wuKWqicY
An expert’s take on a confirmed vaccine death.

There has been a confirmed vaccine death. Here is The Platform’s take on it. [21:28]
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September 22, 2022 8:27am
- geoff3012
  
  Been banned and removed for violating rules….
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  curry3me – the video has been removed “for violating Youtube’s community guidelines”.
  
  Obviously it’s saying something truthful………
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  YouTube seem to not like the truth
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:46am
- Joely Doe
  
  Fcuk YouTube.. go to the source:
  
  An expert’s take on a confirmed vaccine death
  
  Seems ‘strange’ that a reasonable discussion with one of NZ’s governments recognised experts could breach YT standards – or maybe not?
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:57pm
  - curry4me
    
    Thanks for the alternate link.
    
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    September 22, 2022 6:33pm
ClanMcleod

Steve Kirsch has put together a comprehensive list of links and information that provide clear evidence that all aspects of the covid response were wrong. It is beyond dispute, yet many people refuse to look at, let alone acknowledge this evidence. All the comments have the relevant hyperlinks.

We have the data
We have plenty of data from respected experts showing the vaccines should not be taken, such as:

the VAERS data (see this tutorial and this recent affirmation and this article on VAERS and causality) showing that hundreds of thousands have died and millions have been injured

the Canadian report showing no benefit for infection, hospitalization, and death for those under 60

the Israeli data showing the side-effects are serious, long-lasting, and caused by the vaccines; and that the authorities are covering it all up.

the Harvard-Hopkins-UCSF study showing it is unethical to mandate vaccination for kids

the Thailand study showing blood test before vs. after

the Fraiman-Doshi paper about serious adverse event rates

the Levi cardiac arrest rate elevation paper

the study by Bhakdi and Burkhardt showing 93% of deaths after vaccination were caused by the vaccine

the data showing the vaccines cause prion diseases shortly after vaccination. This is impossible if the vaccines are truly safe.

and we have amazing, impossible to explain, anecdotes such as:

The embalmer data (such as The Epoch Times article or this interview)

Wayne Root’s wedding: 200 guests, half vaxxed, half unvaxxed. Only the vaxxed got injured (26%) or died (7%).

My neurologist stats: 11 years without needing to do a single VAERS report; this year, needs to file 1,000 VAERS reports

The polling results using third party polling firms (so not my followers)

The fact that Paul Offit isn’t going to get the latest booster even though the CDC says he should

Kirsch examines why many apparently intelligent people won’t even consider the evidence.

So I talked to one of my doctor friends who has been trying to red pill his colleagues for over a year. His response about the vaccines:

About the vaccine itself, it’s a prideful, egoic thing now for many and unwillingness to face their cognitive dissonance, aka denial.

So what would it take to change their minds? Get this:

Their own hospital or CDC itself would have to say vaccines could cause harm, and we know they will NEVER do that.

So there you go. We are in a no way out situation according to my very smart, very red-pilled doctor friend. It’s like being put in an escape room with no way out.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-do-we-sway-the-minds-of-people?utm_source=post-email-title&isFreemail=true
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September 22, 2022 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not understanding all the downtickers here. Why?
  How about explaining the downticks?
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:54am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Steve,
    
    The downtickers are blind and in denial They are the same people who meet up for social events and spend most of their time ignoring the elephant in the room.
    
    Unless someone is a hermit, it is impossible to not know vaccinated people in your work / friends groups with serious side vaccine effects and or premature death.
    
    Our population has had sudden onset of heart attacks, gout, overnight arthritis, myocarditis, irregular heartbeats, racing heart, anaphylactic shock, and the list goes on.
    
    Even more staggering is the number of people that dropped dead, had a heart attack or went into anaphylactic shock while in the vaccine clinic during the few minutes that get you to stay to see if there are side effects.
    
    There is one popular tourist holiday spot in the South Island, a couple of hours away from the nearest city, where many attractions have closed thanks to lockdowns, but still attracting NZers who needed time out. Thankfully, but sadly, some holiday makers were able to be entertained with live MASH re-runs.
    
    The Jabberwocky bus would turn up on the weekends to vaccinate, and on the following weekdays there would be inbound and outbound choppers transporting the vax injured to a big city hospital. Just like the opening scene from MASH. You can’t make this stuff up.
    
    And I understand it was observed happening in other towns and cities as well, by people that lived or worked close to the vax clinics. After a while, the ambulances, outbound with vax victims were told to turn off the sirens so they did not spook the inbound queues of people lining up for their shots.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:17am
    - Groggy
      
      Any actual evidence for these fantasies?
      
      “Unless someone is a hermit, it is impossible to not know vaccinated people in your work / friends groups with serious side vaccine effects and or premature death.” I can confirm I’m 50+, not a hermit, fully vaccinated, as are my social circle, and I do not know of anyone having any of these issues, or any issues at all from the vaccines apart form a sore arm.
      
      So I downtick bullshit.
      
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      September 22, 2022 10:50am
      - Groggy
        
        Full disclosure, I work in a Hospital so this:
        “After a while, the ambulances, outbound with vax victims were told to turn off the sirens so they did not spook the inbound queues of people lining up for their shots.” is a complete lie and fabrication, as is 99% of Jackrabbits post.
        There were no choppers ferrying people like MASH (seriously we don’t have that many). Even more staggering, people did NOT drop dead, have heart attacks or go into anaphylactic shock in the vaccine clinics, more imaginative bullshit. So yes you did make this stuff up.
        
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        September 22, 2022 11:41am
      - JackRabbit
        
        And I down tick your rudeness for calling them fantasies.
        
        “Any actual evidence for these fantasies?”
        is not a response, either in form, or attitude, from an open unbiased inquiring mind.
        
        There is no amount of evidence that would convince you, because you have already made up your mind. And any evidence or statements contrary to your viewpoint are to be scoffed at and ridiculed as per your response above.
        
        Logically, just because you do not know of anyone who has suffered, is not a proof that it has not, or is not happening to others, or that they even want to mention it.
        
        It is close minded bias to assume that because it has not happened to you, that it has not happened to others.
        
        Many people have suffered over the last 18 months, and it has generally been put down to Covid. But the more tenacious of people have demanded specifics and detail, even if “off the record”.
        
        On many occasions patients have been told “these are vaccine injuries, and we are seeing a lot of this, but we are not allowed to talk about it publicly otherwise we lose our medical license.”
        
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        September 22, 2022 11:50am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Groggy 11:41
        
        These incidents did happen and were conveyed to me by members of the medical profession, constabulary, and family members of people that managed vaccine clinics. And from friends and family members who have witnessed such events, and my own personal interactions.
        
        You were not there, you did not see, you did not witness the events, you did not have the conversations, but you are intent that these things never happened. What arrogance!
        
        According to your retort, you are an all seeing, all hearing, all knowing God, and that you were present at all said events and that all those people got it wrong. Again such arrogance!!
        
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        September 22, 2022 11:57am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Whenever a poster on here is asked for evidence to back up fantastical claims they make about Covid the stock standard answers seem to be “someone told me” or “be patient and the evidence will reveal itself in time”.
        In other words it does not exist.
        
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        September 22, 2022 12:44pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Full disclosure, I work in a Hospital
        
        I wouldn’t call that “full disclosure”. You could be anything from a brain surgeon to the janitor.
        
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        September 22, 2022 1:32pm
      - riffer
        
        Both a brain surgeon and a janitor are as qualified to report on what the poster reported on.
        
        It was an observation, first hand, unlike the “somebody told me” or “I researched it online” bullshit.
        
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        September 22, 2022 2:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Riffer thinks ‘anecdata’ is accurate
        So funny
        
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        September 22, 2022 2:55pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @riffer
        
        Both a brain surgeon and a janitor are as qualified to report on what the poster reported on.
        
        Actually “they” are not qualified. “They” can put their own personal opinion forward on the subject, but that is all. “They” cannot report on the incidents because “they” were not there.
        
        Personally when I have an in depth discussion with a medical doctor(s), in confidence, with specifics about what has happened in their own surgery, and communications they have had with other medical doctors, I tend to have a reasonable degree of confidence. Or when it has happened to a family member and that family member reports what the heart specialist said.
        
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        September 22, 2022 3:06pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Ross
        
        fantastical claims…. “someone told me”
        
        [1] We learn things through communication, that being things we are told or investigate, that is the nature of communication. That is how we learn.
        
        [2] By your implication logic, anything anyone tells anyone are fantastical, because “someone told me”. If your wife or partner, sister, brother, parents, children tell you “they love you”, is that also fantastical?
        
        [3] If you are going to claim the right that conversations I and others have had are false, could I claim the right to say no-one in your life loves you, and say that it is your fantasy if you say they do? I think not.
        
        The principles on which your statements are made don’t carry weight, and are simple bitterness and attack created because contrary information does not fit with your idea of the world, and you do not know how to deal with that.
        
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        September 22, 2022 3:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good boy, you are alive. Some had reactions and are not alive. Covid seems to affect people from many walks of life – healthy ones die and those who are on their death bed get Covid and survive.
        
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        September 22, 2022 5:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Lucia Maria, you forgot road cone placers – and road cone inspectors; and that is IN the carpark!!
        
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        September 22, 2022 5:22pm
    - Groggy
      
      Apologies I meant to hit reply to your post below and reported it by accident.
      
      A couple of points, you began the rudeness with your first sentence.
      It is also close minded bias to assume that because it has happened to you, that it has happened to everyone.
      
      There are several red flags in your post;
      Why would ambulances have their sirens on at all to leave the vax clinic? They were hours away from their destination. Sirens are only used when needed, so if the road ahead is clear they switch them off. Sirens get you through traffic. No traffic, no siren.
      
      The effects you describe (dropped dead, had a heart attack or went into anaphylactic shock) would usually not meet the clinical criteria for despatching a helicopter, an ambulance would be the correct clinical response: See pages 52-54 on the criteria for helicopter responses:
      
      But yeah people that lived or worked close to the vax clinics told you so of course they would know exactly what was happening and why.
      
      chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.stjohn.org.nz/globalassets/documents/health-practitioners/cpg_comprehensive_web170525.pdf
      
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      September 22, 2022 3:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Apologies I meant to hit reply to your post below and reported it by accident.
        
        A couple of points ,j̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s you began the rudeness with your first sentence.
        
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        September 22, 2022 5:27pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Groggy,
        
        Please point to my reply when I said or assumed that it was happening to everyone. You’ve twisted what I said without actually understanding what I said.
        
        I will only answer one point:
        Why would ambulances have their sirens on at all (to leave the vax clinic)?
        I will state the very obvious, which is what we got taught at kindergarten:
        
        The reason an ambulance have their sirens on, in any situation is because it is an emergency, AND to clear the road so they can travel at speed to hospital so that the patient can get urgent medical and help prevent death or complications, AND so that other cars give right of way to the ambulance so that they do not have accident on the way.
        
        If, ambulances, as observed, were leaving vax clinics with sirens on, then clearly the above conditions were in play.
        
        In addition, my partner was almost T-Boned by an ambulance that did not give way coming out of concealed exit behind a vax clinic, entering the road at very high speed, with no sirens, and flashing lights only visible after he came out of the concealed exit. Only quick thinking by my partner and powerful brakes prevented a horrible accident. And clearly it was a big emergency because the ambulance was already at speed and accelerating hard.
        
        This is also similar to another account of a friends family member who was on duty at a vax clinic and a patient was carried away at high speed by an ambulance after collapsing in anaphylactic shock seconds after the jab.
        
        You have no right to cast doubt on those events, since you were never there.
        
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        September 22, 2022 6:10pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve – the downticks are easily explained. I’ve presented something that they can’t counter rationally or with evidence. This drives trolls completely insane, so they smear the source or – being the well balanced people they are – they proceed to dribble out both sides of their mouth at the same time.
    It’s impressive stuff.
    
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    September 22, 2022 5:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fun isn’t it!
      
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      September 23, 2022 8:46am
- JackRabbit
  
  Great Post, ClanMcleod.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:58am
  - riffer
    
    Hardly. Steve Kirsch is completely unqualified to understand, let along report on half of what he does.
    
    Furthermore, all his evidence is links to other blog posts he has done, with dubious interepretations of data.
    
    He’s not credible.
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:51pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      When you came to that conclusion from that data, how much inductive thinking and research did you actually do?
      
      1 hour, 10 hours, 100 hours, 500 hours?
      
      I can gauge by your reply, that it was actually zero.
      
      Do you even know what inductive thinking and research actually is? And why it is a crucial part of the scientific method?
      
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      September 22, 2022 3:24pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      riffer – this is getting boring, I have to say it to the trolls here almost every single time I post something. I’ll indulge you one more time.
      
      Stop attacking the source. Go to the content. There are multiple hyperlinks with evidence supporting any claims being made. Take your time, go through the claims and the supporting evidence and refute it. Do so logically and with your own evidence to support your position.
      
      You claim his data interpretations are dubious. That’s your opinion. Without some reasoned and rational retort you are spouting meaningless dribble. Nothing new there.
      
      You claim he is not credible. He has presented information, analysis and evidence. You’ve come up with your opinion. I think it’s pretty simple for anyone reading this thread to figure out who is and who isn’t credible.
      
      Seriously. Don’t bother posting. You repeatedly make a fool of yourself.
      
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      September 22, 2022 5:27pm
- Mummy
  
  A close family member is a nurse who works in a mental health facility and when the vax was first introduced to NZ she was the designated person to give all the staff and patients the jab. She had to do all the training on how to do it and she also had to do a 4 hour advanced course in CPR. Go figure.
  
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  September 22, 2022 6:39pm
wilderbeast

“Do you care about climate change” seems to be the tag line for local authorities encouraging voting in local body elections. Several here predicted there’d be a quick and strong reversion to climate change dogma after the covid porn lost its grip on the public. They were right. So for me the thematic issue of our time is a political class hell bent on control and manipulation of the populace who will use the best tool available at the time. Michael Woods has paved the way for local authorities to prevent us driving local roads, Efeso Collins is talking carless days in Auckland and Wellington CC has lowered the speed limit to 30kmh. “Do I care about climate change?” – not really, and certainly not as much as the human response being pushed in its name. Just like was said about covid: the cure is so much worse than the disease.
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September 22, 2022 8:35am
- Taieri
  
  “Do you care about climate change”
  ———–
  
  Does climate change care about you?
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:15am
- alloytoo
  
  “Do you care about climate change”
  
  my answer is going to be:
  
  “Yes, is your council going to be pushing Modular Nuclear Energy solutions and banning environmentally unsound Wind and solar solutions?”
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:15am
  - JackRabbit
    
    My answer to “Do you care about climate change” is to ask, “define ‘climate change'” and watch them dribble and trip as you ask for more specifics, and get them to explain the science, that they don’t understand.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:27pm
    - artemisia
      
      Could ask for their thoughts on whether we can expect a Maunder Minimum in the next few decades.
      
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      September 22, 2022 1:31pm
- Yabster
  
  Climate change – the next agenda to keep the plebs in their place:
  
  https://www.nzcpr.com/a-climate-of-authoritarianism/
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yabster – they’re all connected. Distractions to keep people confused and unable to focus.
    
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    September 22, 2022 6:01pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING ON YT….

Would you be surprised, or care, if you found out the US-Government was responsible for the creation of Covid-19 ?

“This is the biggest coverup in the history of science”

– Sen. Rand Paul.

https://youtu.be/afckus4RRbI
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September 22, 2022 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  A year ago you’d be suspended from every social media platform on the planet for even joking about that. Now it’s looking like a fact. It’s a strange world we live in.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:00am
  - mawm
    
    This podcast with RF Kennedy Jr and Jeffry Sachs who is Chair of the Lancet Covid-19 Commission is illuminating. There’s a lot of lying and hiding information just as there has been no identified animal vector. It is worth giving a listen and make up your own mind.
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/origins-of-the-virus-with-jeffrey-sachs/id1552000243?i=1000576692253
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A few months ago our MSM was putting up articles that the origin of the Covid-19 outbreak had been determined – The Wuhan seafood-wildlife market.
  e.g.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/471698/covid-19-origin-studies-say-evidence-points-to-wuhan-market
  
  What I have not seen in our MSM is the fact that the origin of the outbreak is NOT yet known and some of the leading authorities are far from convinced that the virus emerged into the human population via the animal trade at a food market.
  
  Even last week the British Medical Journal (BMJ) was reporting the need to intensify the search for the source of the pandemic.
  
  The report nevertheless recommends intensifying the search for the pandemic’s source.
  
  https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2237
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:19am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Maggy,
    
    The only connection to the Wuhan seafood market is that is where some animals, both wet and dry, were purchased for the many “gain of function” experiments.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:22am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    However the BMJ article is in no way suggesting the Covid 19 virus is likely to have come from a lab leak or the other conspiracy nonsense Rand Paul and Fox News is spouting in the video so why use this quote from the BMJ to lend some kind of credence to it?.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:57pm
    - riffer
      
      Because that is how misinformation works. Liberally sprinkle some tenuous link in an attempt to create credibility and watch the uneducated rush to jump to your conclusions.
      
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      September 22, 2022 2:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I suggest you read the Lancet Commission’s report IN FULL…published 14 September 2022.
        
        As of the time of publication of this report, all three research-associated hypotheses are still plausible: infection in the field, infection with a natural virus in the laboratory, and infection with a manipulated virus in the laboratory. No independent, transparent, and science-based investigation has been carried out regarding the bioengineering of SARS-like viruses that was underway before the outbreak of COVID-19.
        
        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01585-9/fulltext
        
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        September 22, 2022 3:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      News is spouting in the video so why use this quote from the BMJ to lend some kind of credence to it?
      
      Alright.. Try the latest Lancet then. – The Lancet Commission on lessons for the Future from the Covid-19 pandemic
      (It’s a long read… but here’s a key paragraph)
      
      The origins of SARS-CoV-2
      The proximal origins of SARS-CoV-2 are still not known. Identifying these origins would provide greater clarity into not only the causes of the current pandemic but also vulnerabilities to future outbreaks and strategies to prevent them. We concur with the position of 18 leading scientists who wrote in Science magazine44 in May, 2021: “We must take hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers seriously until we have sufficient data.” As a group of 16 scientists communicated in The Lancet45 in October, 2021: “Overwhelming evidence for either a zoonotic or research-related origin is lacking: the jury is still out.” More than 2 years into the pandemic, the search for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 remains incomplete and inconclusive.46, 47 Independent experts consulted by the Lancet COVID-19 Commission shared the view that hypotheses about both natural and laboratory spillovers are in play and need further investigation.
      
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01585-9/fulltext
      
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      September 22, 2022 3:09pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Ross,
      
      If you have done your homework and inductive research, please explain to others on here, the oddities in the Covid-19 electrostatic maps and potential, and why it is natural or not, and what it means.
      
      Indulge me. Startle me with your science. Perhaps start with what is a corona-virus.
      
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      September 22, 2022 6:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Rand Paul will get his pound of flesh soon. When Fauci is pressed about being subpoenaed, he said he would consider it! Seriously, consider it!
  Here is Megyn Kelly’s response. I don’t know where to delete the rubbish to.
  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=megyn+kelly+fauci&&view=detail&mid=27DE9CEFD5DAFF65B2A627DE9CEFD5DAFF65B2A6&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dmegyn%2520kelly%2520fauci%26%26FORM%3DVDVVXX
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:06am
Clownworld

China linked lab to Fauci and US gain of function etc….no surprises.
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September 22, 2022 8:43am
Rusty

On both tv news channels last night they featured discussions on whether Nz should become a republic or not.

Now that the Queens funeral is over and we all saw her coffin drop down into the vault I suppose that was the green light to start the conversation.

I’m all for free speech on this matter whatever view someone has. But I fear if the msm starts lapping this up ahead of more important issues like 3 waters etc, then it could become a problem.
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September 22, 2022 8:53am
- MCōs
  
  The 3 waters issue has been discussed at length for some time now, as has the pandemic, the AB coach, local body elections, QEII and all manner of other subjects.
  There’s no reason why those of us who are interested shouldn’t talk about any topical issue we want and one ongoing matter is whether it is appropriate for the British Monach to remain as our Head of State.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:37am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Oh that infamous British Monach!
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:49am
- oldfella
  
  Rusty: how about the media holding off on the republic ‘conversation’ till they’ve fully addressed the co-governance ‘conversation’?
  You know? The one the PM promised non-iwi New Zealanders before the end of this year?
  Or did I blink and miss it? //
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:57am
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis txt earlier to see if I knew how to clean dogshit off their synthetic-grass.

Anyone?
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September 22, 2022 9:01am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Ask comms on the ninth floor – they clean up a lot of sh_t.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:07am
ClanMcleod

Paul Joseph Watson does a great video on Ron DeSantis and the greatest political trolling in years with his Martha’s Vineyard stunt.
Funny watching the Karen’s on the island claiming they have no facilities for 5o migrant immigrants while Watson points out the Air BnBs that were available on the island the day they migrants arrived.
😆😆😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FFctA33sI4
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September 22, 2022 9:08am
Taieri

$55 million team strikes again:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/fear-my-belly-over-vandervis-confrontation

This article appeared earlier this morning marked as “subscriber” only. But, no doubt in the name of the public interest it has been made available to all and sundry since. Wonder why?
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September 22, 2022 9:25am
- kowtow
  
  The ODT has had an unhealthy obsession with Lee for years .
  
  That 80 year old admitted in the article to trying to impede his presentation.
  
  ‘Ms Parsons conceded she was no fan of Cr Vandervis and she had wanted to unsettle him.’
  
  That makes her an anti democratic activist.
  
  But the media present her as a bullied little old lady .
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:27am
- Bullion
  
  It’s nothing to do with the Public Interest Journalism Fund, it does not carry any of the logos or accreditation.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:37am
  - kowtow
    
    Perhaps not . The ODT has been carrying on about Lee for years .
    This is a strategically placed front page banner headline story . Placed in the week that voting has started .
    
    There appears to be a lot more to this story than the little the paper has revealed to date .
    
    That little old lady was an agent provocateur. And the Media are amplifying this encounter in a manner to discredit Lee.
    
    Also proves the media doesn’t have to be bribed to run such anti democratic diatribes .
    
    They are dyed in the wool lefties.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:12pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  A shameful hatchet job by the ODT.
  
  Apparently the old lady is well known locally as a drama queen and self-righteous b*tch, regularly getting in disputes with neighbours and is a serial disruptor of public meetings. She sat in the front row and was being distracting and disruptive as Vandervis was speaking, then pushed over his sign. She admitted she was trying to provoke him. He then gave her a piece of his mind in an entirely appropriate manner and she immediately ran to the media because she couldn’t handle being called out. This is classic “crybullying” behaviour.
  
  The ODT also got a quote about the incident from one of the other mayoral candidates, who I am told has a family relationship with the old bat, and in fact was nominated for the mayoralty by her. No disclosure of that close relationship in the article.
  
  I am sure Vandervis could make a successful complaint to the press council if he wanted.
  
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  September 22, 2022 2:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chris Hipkins made a smart-arse interjection in Parliament yesterday…. implying that Bill English’s family members had picked up government contracts inappropriately ….ala Mahuta-Ormsby episodes.

He must have had a wee think about what he had said, for sometime later he requested leave to make a personal explanation:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220921_20220921_56

National needs to be damn clear that Labour will take every opportunity to smear members and their families with slime.
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September 22, 2022 9:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hipkins epitomises the term ‘smart-arse’.
  He is an objectionable little man.
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    He reminds me of a Lap Dog looking for a Lap.
    
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    September 22, 2022 9:47am
    - kowtow
      
      or a shiver in search of a spine….
      
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      September 22, 2022 1:41pm
- Opie
  
  That hipkins is a nasty piece of work. A whiney aggressive know it all.
  
  He and the(Mod – deleted, use their name not a insulting nick name) teamed up together is bad news for this country if their behaviour in the house over the last 2 days is any indication.
  
  They are the kind of people that had a hard time at school and are now seeking their revenge given a sniff of power that has gone to their heads.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:28am
  - riffer
    
    The hypocrisy is astounding. At least he had the decency to front up and apologise the next day after he’d had the night to reflect on what he’d said and how it was out of line.
    
    I am yet to see this level of contrition from any of the opposition in this term, despite some absolute clangers.
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:54pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Poor wee Chris. He never apologises for be an nasty wee fella. Wonder who holds the smoking gun?
  
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  September 22, 2022 3:25pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ll give Chris credit for apologising; this is behaviour to be encouraged.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:48pm
Tauhei Notts

I have some sympathy for those passengers on the New York-Auckland flight who had their bags off-loaded. Air NZ told us that they had to reduce weight because of the serious head winds. I understand that.
But the flight left New York two hours late and arrived in Auckland one hour late. That is, with those terrible head winds it MADE UP time!!!
I have given this some thought over the past few days I recognise it as a symptom of a general malaise that has come over our country. That malaise is the idea to talk absolute crap, then expect everybody to believe it.
The worst part of that malaise is that Joe and Josephine Public no longer have any respect for our news media and seek information on dodgy web-sites where idiotic conspiracy theories abound.
Our leaders have created a rod for their own backs.
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September 22, 2022 9:35am
- Paulus
  
  The current 787 configuration is not suitable for the return flight.
  Those which are suitable are not ready for delivery until 2024.
  So hold tight !
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed. The 2 x 787-9s on order will have the upgraded GE engines which will provide an additional 700 km range.
    
    https://www.ge.com/news/taxonomy/term/931
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:39am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I follow aviation fairly closely and have read a number of accounts of this incident. FWIW I believe the Air New Zealand account.
  
  The amount of fuel carried is entirely the decision of the captain. Nobody else. The captain makes the decision based on allowances for various events. Explained here:
  
  https://skybrary.aero/articles/fuel-flight-planning-definitions
  
  The captain may have received reports of headwinds – usually from other aircraft. However ultimately he may have avoided these by changing flight level. However, the captain will always exercise caution with incomplete information.
  
  There is another factor at play. In the event of an incident at Auckland, the plane’s ‘alternate’ airport would normally be Ōhakea Air Force Base. However, it is currently closed for extensive upgrades. That means that the alternate airport will be Christchurch (Wellington’s runway is too short for a 787-9).
  
  That means the airplane needs to cover enough fuel for a missed approach at Auckland, and then to fly Christchurch.
  
  It will be interesting to see whether this is a regular thing. It is most likely to happen on the return flight to New Zealand because of the prevailing winds. I understand that on that flight, the plane carries no freight, only passengers and luggage. This is because the plane is at the absolute limits of its range.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Wellington’s runway is not too short for a 787-9 landing with minimal fuel weight.
    Taking off again with a full passenger load and lots of fuel is another matter entirely.
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:45am
    - Paulus
      
      In Wellington we used to see this with a B747 SP -the only 747 with short capability,
      Quite exciting to watch takeoff.
      
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      September 22, 2022 1:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Time to start weighing passengers along with their luggage
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:50pm
Maggie Pie

I see where FORBES are coming in for a bit of flack from women’s rights advocates.

They held their 10th Annual-Power-Women’s-Summit last week.
Their intention is to invite leaders on the frontlines of progress, who are breaking new ground and harnessing their power to create a more equitable world.

One of those invited to speak, was transgender TikToker Dylan Mulvaney….

https://twitter.com/JurassicParkTho/status/1528074204045840384

😛
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September 22, 2022 9:40am
tedbear

The Plain Language Bill is or is about to be passed.

I look forward to the tv weather presented in plain language that everyone can understand and not in a mishmash of languages.
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September 22, 2022 9:44am
- alloytoo
  
  It would be greatly helpful for 95% of the population if the majority of government agencies changed their names to plain English language descriptions.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:20am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I hope the Nats and ACT announce this as a policy next year.
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How utterly absurd. New Zealand needs to pass a new law to require public servants to communicate clearly.
  
  The hideous irony is that communication has been destroyed by mixing two languages together, one of which is used by a tiny number of people. A unique experiment globally. At least in PNG folk actually understand and speak pidgin.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:42am
I remember when

Get set for another scorching Summer with a marine heatwave on the way: Stuff.
“Between October and December, ocean temperatures around NZ are PREDICTED to rise more than they normally would,” said Noll.
This Summer COULD even prove to be one of the hottest EVER.

So many expensive instruments but the good, old guess still creates the headline.
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September 22, 2022 9:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  The ocean could boil but Wellington habour would still be like ice swimming
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m totally happy for scorching summer in Christchurch. Combined with all the extra CO2 my tomatoes will flourish.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I wonder if they will have to close the schools on some days in Christchurch like they did in the 1950’s & 1960’s because the temperature got over the old 100 deg. F , or 38 deg. C.
    As I recall when I was young, this was a fairly common summer happening.
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:36am
- JackRabbit
  
  The ocean always heats up as we move from winter into summer. Duh!!!
  
  And if Noll spent 5 seconds on google he would know that if October to December are to have exceedingly hot ocean temperatures, then July, August and September will have had exceedingly hot air temperatures, and remain warm through to December.
  
  The large mass of the ocean takes a lot of time to change temperature.
  
  Since water has a high capacity to hold on to heat – once heated it stays hot for a time, seasonal changes in ocean temperatures lag about 2 months behind land temperatures.
  
  https://staff.concord.org/~btinker/GL/web/water/water_temperatures.html
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:35am
krazykiwi

I see Scott Adams is busy getting cancelled : Now Dilbert is racist! Popular comic strip is canned by 77 newspapers after artist Scott Adams began incorporating anti-woke plotlines, including black character who identifies as white
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September 22, 2022 10:00am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Dilbert is too smart to be woke.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:59am
- oldfella
  
  KK: we have our own Scott Adams in Garrick Tremain. Can you imagine this kind of gem on stuffed or the ferald these days? Nah, bro.
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-158
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:12am
  - surfing
    
    https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/xiz1sz/wellington_live_a_previously_beloved_local/
    
    There is much anger in these ones.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:20pm
- JackRabbit
  
  I’m surprised it has taken a couple of years for the woke to react.
  
  https://dilbert.com/strip/2021-01-17
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:08pm
Local Miller

I’m currently in the last phase of subdividing my property. Today at 8:25am I sent my surveyor the last bit of data he needed to submit our final survey details to Auckland Council. At 8:57am the council sent me an invoice and confirmation that our survey plan was approved, so 32 minutes later. Giving my surveyor about 15 minutes to put my papers together and send them to council, the council took all of 15 minutes to review and approve the plans.
For this the invoice says they are charging me “Time Sheet”, which I assume is the equivalent of the old “labour”‘ to the tune of $396! This is equivalent to a rate of $1,584 per hour!
Is there any way this can be challenged? To me it’s just extortion.
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September 22, 2022 10:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You got off lightly 🙂 Seriously, pay it and run.
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:13am
  - nathie
    
    Good point, the cost will likely double next year!
    
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    September 22, 2022 10:23am
- kevn
  
  @Local… You are just paying for their (lots of) dead time. Just like car workshops do, invoicing the full 8 hours in a day.
  
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  September 22, 2022 4:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Paying for speed?
  
  Likely, multiple people looked at your application, including before this morning.
  
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  September 22, 2022 8:58pm
nathie

Breaking News!

Tough luck if your house is burgled or business ram-raided or gang warfare take place at your local park.

Expect major delays to Police investigations when callers ring 111.

Because of impending danger Deputy PM Grant Robertson has granted himself emergency powers …..Police Plain Clothes Detectives have been reassigned to undertake covert surveillance of bakeries throughout Aotearoa and to arrest people seen leaving with Lamington Cakes!
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September 22, 2022 10:20am
- oldfella
  
  nathie: when Cindy gets back the first thing she’ll do is designate lamingtons as offensive weapons and institute a buy back scheme.
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Lamingtons – pah! Go heavy with a custard square.
    
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    September 22, 2022 8:59pm
krazykiwi

I’ve been review candidate profiles for the Wellington Local Body elections.

One word: Depressing

So many promising warm homes for everyone, climate action and other nonsense. Many appeared keystrokes away from promising free puppies and unicorn rides

Who is getting your vote for mayor in Wellington?
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September 22, 2022 10:27am
- dave_c_
  
  ‘Depressing’ – You can say that again.
  I’m a voter in the Hutt Valley.
  Current crop of contenders should quake in their boots!
  Reminds me of the vote I once gave to the McGillicuddy Serious Party – Who wants more of the same old, same old . . .
  
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  September 22, 2022 10:48am
  - mogg
    
    Look at Daniel Reurich, after a process of elimination I would vote Stallinger as Mayor, simply because he is the lesser of the three evils.
    
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    September 22, 2022 11:11am
- Groggy
  
  It’s a very shallow pool, I wish there was a no confidence in any of these numpties option. Seriously considering not voting for Mayor at all as none of them appeal, but will make sure to rank every (non-current) councillor in my ward. Have to get rid of the awful green/labour block we have at the moment. cycling to nowhere while the city dies.
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:00am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Seriously considering not voting for Mayor at all […].
    
    Please reconsider, Groggy.
    
    Yes, once again, the quality of candidates is abysmal, but, in five weeks’ time, either Paul, Andy, or Tory will be the mayor of Wellington, so you might as well have your say as to which one it will be.
    
    The same applies with regard to your ward candidates. By all means “rank every (non-current) councillor in [your] ward”, but don’t forget that not all of those candidates will be successful.
    
    It may well be that, when the count comes down to one seat still to fill, the two remaining candidates are both sitting councillors. Given that, in such circumstances, one of them will be re-elected, again, you might as well make sure you have your say as to which one it will be, by rank-ordering as many of the candidates as you are able. After all, your lower preferences cannot harm the chances of your higher preferences.
    
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    September 22, 2022 1:32pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There are other candidates for Mayor of Wellington, Steve.
      
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      September 22, 2022 9:00pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yes there are, but none of them are going to win.
        
        Why go to the bother of voting, only for your vote to drop out during the count, because you didn’t include The Big Three in your preference-rankings?
        
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        September 23, 2022 8:37am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  From my safe distance it seems all our major cities have terrible local governments. Move to the country?
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:06am
- Piticus
  
  Won’t vote Foster as he has proved he can’t be a good leader, won’t vote Eagle as he has lied about not standing for mayor, is ‘endorsed’ by the Liebour party, will be an ‘independent’ beholden to the Liebour party and supports 3 waters and won’t vote Whanau as the greens will wreck the city – thinking Ray Chung, who whilst he won’t win, seems to make an awful lot of sense.
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:00pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Nothing wrong with that, Piticus, but hopefully you will nevertheless include those three candidates in your preference-rankings, because one of them is going to win, and as I said to Groggy, you might as well have your say as to which one it should be — the lesser evil, and all that.
    
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    September 22, 2022 1:49pm
    - Piticus
      
      Yep good point Steve – difficulty will be who is the lesser evil – thinking Foster. Eagles total disdain of the political process and Whanau’s cohort of nutcases convinces me (I think 😩)
      
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      September 22, 2022 2:06pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Foster is definitely the best of the three. If he had better Councillors then he’d be a better Mayor.
        
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        September 22, 2022 9:01pm
- surfing
  
  Its OK, Mahuta will fix that for you!
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:00pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Sad that you are depressed. Obviously you are not putting your name forward or doing anything to get candidates you approve of on the ballot.
  
  Just whingeing … which is unlike you.
  
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  September 22, 2022 7:10pm
Bobba Fret

I heard on Newstalk ZB this morning, that currently Wayne Brown on 28% and Efesso Collins on 26%!
Early days I guess so better not get excited.
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September 22, 2022 10:30am
- H. Upmann
  
  The numbers include Viv Beck, no longer in the race, as being on 10%. I cannot see much of that 10% going to Collins.
  
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  September 22, 2022 1:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Lamingtons were originally “Wellingtons”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/lamington-invented-in-new-zealand-new-research-proves-beyond-doubt#:~:text=The%20Lamington%2C%20Australia's%20famed%20dessert,by%20the%20University%20of%20Auckland.
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September 22, 2022 10:40am
BeaB

Hipkins nasty racist accusation about Bill English’s brother getting away with a sinecure because he was white was appalling in its nastiness and dishonesty.
Now he wants us to believe he mentioned Bill’s brother to show the system can work well!

Thank goodness for David Seymour. Always witty and to the point. Loved his quip that Grant Robertson is more of a threat to lamingtons than they are to him!
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September 22, 2022 10:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

For Maggie Pie

Slay your tennis pals with a Glamington

https://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/glamington
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September 22, 2022 10:44am
Cara

In case you missed it on the Herald’s front page briefly yesterday, & behind their pay wall:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-nationals-christopher-luxon-must-rule-maori-party-out-of-the-running/MXZN6WAJB36Y65ZVCMBNMM35J4/
Richard Prebble has done us all a service by looking at what’s actually on the Maori Party website. An excerpt:
…The Māori Party will: “Commit all Māori to the Māori electoral roll by 2023”; establish a Māori Parliament; make Waitangi Tribunal recommendations binding on the Crown; abolish “full and final” settlements; return conservation land to whānau, hapū and iwi Māori; and ensure that private and local government land can be returned to mana whenua… !!!
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September 22, 2022 10:45am
- Blog-aholic
  
  So exactly like Zimbabwe?
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  Make wearing silly hats mandatory and Silly Hat Day a public holiday.
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:37am
- Taieri
  
  establish a Māori Parliament;
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  What stops them from establishing a Maori parliament now? And shifting the Maori party there…
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:47am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    The lack of tax funding it.
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:44pm
  - Yabster
    
    lets go full separatism- Maori elites and co can keep all the tax they generate to run it… opps a bit of a flaw there..
    
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    September 22, 2022 12:49pm
BeaB

So Labour think flinging mud and dildoes is hilarious but when Grant Robertson is threatened with a lamington he needs the diplomatic protection squad.
Time for a cream puff.
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September 22, 2022 10:47am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention how the Media Pardy think political violence towards the centre right is ok , but not towards their own preferred politicians.
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:40am
Inandout

Was referred to this Twitter page on JC’s new book.
https://twitter.com/JohnJCampbell/status/1572497996562178048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1572497996562178048%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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September 22, 2022 11:01am
Maggie Pie

CANADIAN FEAR PORN….

https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/1572351263748005891

This would be what Cindy and Justy were laughing about on his plane while en route from London to New York.
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September 22, 2022 11:04am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of Canada .
  
  The new leader of the conservatives there , Pierre Poilievre , is going to wipe the floor with that little Turdeau .
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:43am
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t take much notice of Canadian politics, but there always seems to be some Trudeau in charge against an ever changing parade of conservative leaders.
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:18pm
rangitoto

When will the government set up a lamington buyback scheme to keep our communities safe?
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September 22, 2022 11:07am
- surfing
  
  Grant Robertson is personally accepting the returns!
  
  (Mod – so am I, please address all lamingtons to mod’s, only ones with real cream will be accepted)
  
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  September 22, 2022 11:59am
Ghost

Seems every day there is a new stupid article to out do the last one

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300694966/ban-meateating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges

Men who eat meat should be banned from having sex, the animal rights group Peta has demanded, claiming that devouring sausages and schnitzel is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” which is killing the planet.
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September 22, 2022 11:42am
- Blog-aholic
  
  We have almost reached peak fuckery….no I take that back Peta have plumbed new depths and struck fuckery gold.
  
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  September 22, 2022 12:11pm
- riffer
  
  I would argue that any environmental damage caused by men eating meat is more than made up by the environmental damage caused by the plastics in cosmetics used by women.
  
  PETA are biased.
  
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  September 22, 2022 3:00pm
I remember when

The Whole Truth:
Racism is a cause of ethnic health gaps:
“Across the health sector, Maori patients routinely have worse health outcomes than any other ethnic groups.”
The article states barriers for Maori patients accessing healthcare include financial, physical and cutural difficulties.

Except that as per normal it doesn’t identify how these patients are so classified.
Do the barriers outweigh the ethnicity?
Do Europeans (if instance) have similar outcomes if faced with the same barriers?

That type of information might even make it – The WHOLE Truth.
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September 22, 2022 11:49am
- Taieri
  
  Maori patients routinely have worse health outcomes than any other ethnic groups
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  Wonder how Maori health outcomes would compare with Somalis? Or Bhutanese? Or Italians?
  
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  September 22, 2022 2:04pm
  - igm
    
    Most maori do not keep medical appointments and it is surely the reason they have poor outcomes. One I know refused to take certain medications prescribed for him because his brother told him it was no good . . . had another coronary and is now buggered.
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why do these lunatics get media coverage?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300694966/ban-meateating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges
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September 22, 2022 12:16pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Because our Journalists now identify as lunatics.
  
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  September 22, 2022 2:00pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, enough to turn a man queer.
  
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  September 22, 2022 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

Remember when most people you knew who lived in Queenstown had never even heard of Myocarditis?

https://twitter.com/MikeOJ/status/1572677304018665472
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September 22, 2022 1:21pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Plus the thousands yet to come forward and be assessed medically.
  
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  September 22, 2022 4:28pm
Surely Knott

Only months ago in NZ we were told the elimination zero covid response in NZ made us one of the smartest best luckiest countries in the world due to the excellent leadership.

But the same media that heralded Nz’s zero covid response is now saying that the same response in China is Autocratic, harsh and says they are being held hostage.

“A bus heading to a quarantine facility crashed, killing 27. The Chinese public saw themselves in the victims: a country being held hostage by the governments harsh policy.

After a bus accident killed at least 27 people being transferred to a Covid quarantine facility on Sunday, the Chinese public staged a widespread online protest against the governments harsh pandemic policy.

It was a moment of collective grief and anger, with a heavy dose of shame, guilt and despair. After nearly three years of constant lockdowns, mass testing and quarantines, people asked how they could give the government the power to deprive them of their dignity, livelihood, mental health and even life; how they could fail to protect their loved ones from the zero Covid autocracy; and how long the craziness would last.”

The New York Times wrote many articles on Ardern’s lockdowns and elimination response in NZ including the Akd lockdown. They never framed it the way they do in this China article as a gross breach of democracy.

They never reflected , as they have with China, on how the people of NZ allowed their government “to deprive them of their dignity, livelihood, mental health and even life” when they reported on the lockdowns and forced vaccinations, not allowing people to visit loved ones in hospital or overseas, and 2 classes of people, dobbing in neighbours and excluding family members, daily leaders speeches and state propoganda.
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September 22, 2022 2:06pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  Trying to draw parallels between how China’s elimination policy and NZ’s was implemented and suggesting they are in some way similar is pure make believe.
  
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  September 22, 2022 2:20pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yes. NZ’s elimination strategy was based on deliberately following China’s zero covid strategy rather than the western approach.
    
    Here’s Michael Baker’s own words as he received his science prize..” Michael says that he had three lightbulb moments about Covid-19 during early 2020.
    
    “The first was realising in January it was going to be a truly global pandemic. Strangely the World
    Health Organisation did not describe it as a pandemic until 11 March 2020.”
    
    “The second realisation came at the end of February after reading the Report of the World Health Organization-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease that demonstrated China had contained the pandemic in Wuhan. “That had never been done before and convinced me that we should treat this more like a SARS virus and less like influenza so I began advocating very strongly for containment, which became the elimination strategy in March of 2020.”
    ……
    And further on, “And then, Michael recalls, over one weekend (21-22 March 2020) New Zealand pivoted from its mitigation approach to an elimination approach.
    “At that point we left the rest of the western world behind and we followed the Asian model, which
    is very much around containment. ”
    
    So yes we did deliberately follow the China approach. We left the values of the west behind. And went for an authoritarian model in an attempt to stop a coronavirus.
    
    https://www.pmscienceprizes.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Communicator-prize-Michael-Baker-full-media-release.pdf
    
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    September 22, 2022 2:47pm
Loddenthinks

A great public service article by the Ferald with a helpful video entitled: What you need to know about Monkey pox

No need to read the article or watch the vid, I can distill it to the key point (which is not mentioned in either) for you:

Don’t be a gay man having unprotected sex with another gay man. You’re welcome.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/monkeypox-in-nz-four-more-cases-reported-health-ministry-reveals/HE7YRBSHVVWSM6L6PARCJFQ44E/
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September 22, 2022 2:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is a Woman giving an infected man a blowjob ok?
  Asking for a friend
  
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  September 22, 2022 3:50pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Nvidia – the single company producing most of the relevant flops today – produced roughly 5e21 flops of GPU compute in 2021, or the equivalent of about 5 million brains, perhaps surpassing the compute of the 3.6 million humans born in the US. With 200% growth in net flops output per year from all sources it will take about a decade for net GPU compute to exceed net world brain compute.

Once we make the software breakthroughs required to create AI (likely in next decade or two) given this huge compute resource self-improving AI will be able to grow to god-like super-intelligence in very short order – perhaps as little as days. All our socio/political/economic and environmental concerns, troubles and worries are as nothing and truly irrelevant in the context of the radical change (and true existential threat) that will usher in. What Iain Banks terms an “Outside of context problem”
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September 22, 2022 2:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  SkyNet
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New Epidemic coming – called “Out of Control”
Covid 19 wanes and now there has been an alarming surge in sexual activity. Some say people feel liberated. Maybe the spike in STDs is part of a deeper problem. Just maybe people don’t care enough to use common sense.
Lockdown! We do it for your own good!
https://steadfastclash.com/the-latest/new-epidemic-ravaging-us-experts-call-it-out-of-control/
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September 22, 2022 3:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will the NZ Govt follow the European Countries they refer to for all sorts of things? Denmark! Will NZ follow?
https://redrightvideos.com/european-country-bans-covid-vaccines-for-almost-everyone-under-age-50/
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September 22, 2022 3:32pm
- Ross Campbell
  
  More nonsense Steve.
  Denmark has not “banned” Covid vaccines for under 50’s.
  They are just not publicly offering them as part of the government system anymore.
  
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  September 22, 2022 4:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The item does not say ‘banned’. The headline from a ‘daniel’ someone does.
    There is some truth in it, but as usual the non-humorous go off the deep end.
    You have a good evening, Roscoe
    
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    September 22, 2022 4:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good enough for cyclists
  
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  September 22, 2022 9:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how De Santis and Trump get the message out there. Good Electioneering. Personally, I think De Santis and Trump have made a deal about 2024, keep everyone interested. One of Trump’s latest comments about 2024 – “Well I must do something about that”
https://thepatriotjournal.com/trump-desantis-stealing-ideas/?
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September 22, 2022 3:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mycoplasma bovis outbreak in Canterbury

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/129959787/14-farms-now-affected-by-ongoing-m-bovis-outbreak-in-mid-canterbury
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September 22, 2022 3:41pm
Maggie Pie

Something I didn’t know.
One of the girls from tennis was just telling me…. if you go into McDonalds and say “Uber Eats” they give you free food.
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September 22, 2022 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons it’s all a bit of a game to Just in…..

https://twitter.com/IGottaNumBum/status/1572853338659385344
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September 22, 2022 7:52pm
graham

Bugger. John Campbell fronting One News again. Hope Simon Dallow or Melissa Stokes are back soon – they actually do their job and present the news. John Campbell seems to have this compelling need to perform.
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September 22, 2022 8:28pm
Ghost

Magnitude 5.8 quake felt across central NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/300695681/magnitude-58-quake-felt-across-central-nz
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