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CJames

The government has finally been forced to address just how dangerous the SH1 stretch past Lake Karipiro is. Their response is all spin. NZTA follows the Minister’s directions. Budget decisions, including things like new highways aren’t operational decisions, they are policy. Safety improvements in their eyes is just lowering the speed limits or getting more people onto public transport. Putting median barriers on single lane roads is a joke. They cause more crashes, just not head-on ones, so are a “success”. They are not even fixing bad potholes or poor seal conditions on the highways as they need the money for urban cycleways and imaginary trams.

The consequences of that bad decisionmaking are now becoming apparent to even the lapdog media. Makes a mockery of their zero road toll advertising campaign, doesn’t it. Yet the responsible Ministers are still in denial and don’t accept responsibility for their actions. I suppose because they fly everywhere and live in a bubble, it doesn’t matter to them.

There were published plans in 2017 for the next section of the Waikato expressway to be Cambridge to Piarere, with a new flyover interchange there, then extend down to bypass Tirau to the roundabout on the other side of the town. It would have been built by now if you look at the old road plan timing. First thing Labour did when it got in was stop that. There was also the brakes put on roading projects already underway. They had to be redesigned to include cycle paths and more scenic natives plantings. So the inevitable cost over-runs and delays were blamed on National and gullible people believed them.

Got the same on the motorways in Wellington and Christchurch. Why did Transmission Gully and Otaki bypass take so long to finish? Now they won’t do anything between Otaki and Levin/ SH 57 turnoff. That stretch is already the most dangerous part of SH1. Winding road and three narrow bridges. Everything has to go along it. There are no bypasses at all available. A crash there and there is total blockage. The “solution” will invariably be dropping the speed limit to 50 and have cops permanently there with speed cameras.

Yet no-one confronts the decisionmakers. Where have the billions in road user charges since 2017 gone?
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October 7, 2022 8:02am
- G152
  
  Pothole party in power
  holes in ability reflected in the highways and the byways of the nation.
  Less debt less infrastructure maintenance
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  Your forgetting one important common denominator.
  Ashfelt has trippled in price due to closure of Marsden Pt.
  Quality of imported Ashfelt.
  And Quantity.
  In a nutshell. Its very costly to import and quality is shite.
  Co2 emmissions pftt
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Looks like they also made CO2 . Crucial for our brewers .
    Apparently there’s only one other source in NZ.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/476204/local-co2-shortage-crippling-new-zealand-s-beverage-industry-brewer
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:45am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If NZ runs out of beer then it will be all over for Jaxxie
      
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      October 7, 2022 7:19pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Not just materials, I suspect a very minor cost contributor after paper-pushing and h&s escalation.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:41am
- Hacked-Off
  
  ‘Where have the billions in road user charges since 2017 gone?’
  Not into roading, that’s for sure. I would suggest that the road user charges have been repurposed for uses other than roads.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:38am
  - igm
    
    Rainbow crossings, cycle lanes, ridiculous adverts in some pidgin language . . . disgusting socialist degenerates.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:49am
  - virtualmark
    
    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/planning-and-investment/national-land-transport-programme/2021-24-nltp/nltp-funding/allocation-of-funds-to-activity-classes/?state=current
    
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    October 7, 2022 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We have the sixth Labour Govt. They are doing the same as the last five – fucking NZ. Each time the left voters thing ‘Labour will do it better this time’ Bollocks, they never change.
  I have seen Labour act the same way since 1972? Many promises that never eventuate. Current Govt is the worst
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:06am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Steve Otto – If you check out Twitter or the $tuffed, there are still so many IQ challenged Labour supporters vehimentally defending Cindy and her achievements and attacking National for suggesting tax cuts. I feel sorry for them as they still don’t know that they are being taken for a ride by Cindy and Labour.
    
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    October 7, 2022 1:20pm
    - Its only I
      
      Don’t assume those comments on stuffs sections are public comments. Labour have been gaming stuffs comment sections since before they got caught importing all those kids and housing them in substandard accommodation just before the pre Winstons revenge election. Those kids were to work social media for the rewards of meeting Helen C.
      
      Labour just replaced that lot with others.
      
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      October 7, 2022 5:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You check it Sir, and post the result here.
      You have more time than I do, and I am retired for fuck’s sake man.
      
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      October 7, 2022 5:53pm
- surfing
  
  I’d say much of the country would be behind 4 laning Kaitaia to Invercargill.
  
  That, is a project of National significance!
  
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  October 7, 2022 5:04pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ celebrates upcoming Women’s Rugby World Cup

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/130095787/black-ferns-to-ride-emotional-wave-for-recordshattering-rugby-world-cup-opener-at-eden-park

Meanwhile, rugby under the pump for brain injuries (and there is some evidence that women will suffer worse than men).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/130084805/urgent-action-needed-to-spare-next-generation-of-elite-athletes-from-degenerative-disease-expert-warns

Cognitive dissonance, much?
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October 7, 2022 8:02am
- oldfella
  
  NMTB: this is a good read re brain injuries in women.
  Same injury, different brain – exploring how women’s trauma recovery differs from men’s
  https://stanmed.stanford.edu/brain-injury-recovery-more-difficult-women-than-men/
  How long before today’s young women rugby players start showing the effects of repeated head knocks?
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:27am
krazykiwi

Nothing says fleedom of association quite like Paul Eagle’s glaringly yellow placards.
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October 7, 2022 8:02am
- peterwn
  
  Has Jacinda and Robbo read him his horoscope Royal Navy style ie he has no future as a Labour MP but have endorsed him for Mayor to help ease his exit? (reading the horoscope is the Royal Navy version of a meeting without coffee).
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:11am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    peterwn – Eagle has landed the mayor role.
    
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    October 7, 2022 1:24pm
- DeepBlue
  
  ‘Fleedom’ is exactly it. Fleeing from the red left livery to appear ‘Independent’.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:24am
Jim

Is our Government the best arbiter for the Sole Source of Truth?

Yesterday’s shocking international report from China over the ridiculous covid zero policy, is clearly political tyranny masquerading as ‘following the science (to pretend it’s) to keep its citizenship safe’

Those who believe this can only happen in places like China and North Korea, should reflect on the Ardern government’s own actions that repeatedly chose to ignore the health expert recommendations.

Furthermore, ask why this government is not leading the charge to have a truly independent inquiry into learning lessons from what has been the biggest economic and social cost in living history?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300706324/angry-tourists-confront-armed-guards-as-china-puts-airport-in-covid-lockdown
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October 7, 2022 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s not just Ardern’s government. Look for where the World Economic Forum’s ‘Young Global Leaders’ have “infiltrated cabinets” (A gloating , self-congratulatory quote from Klaus Schwab himself) and you will find a seemingly coordinated initial response.
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:23pm
Tempist

A big slap from the Court of Appeal for the Government’s executive overreach under pandemic legislation. Waiting for full media coverage in 3…2…1…
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/2022/2022-NZCA-470.pdf
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October 7, 2022 8:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

How Labour squeaked through the SFO case – Donations case

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/how-sfo-failed-in-labour-donations-case
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October 7, 2022 8:06am
- crackle
  
  You’d have to hope who ever is in charge at the SFO gets a helluva bollocking. Not much point in having it if they’re running half pie investigations…
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:16am
- Cinematic
  
  Looks like dereliction of duty by the SFO team. A valuation of the art is so easily organised it beggars belief.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  Once again the “experts” show they aren’t . This time the SFO .
  
  Interesting how JLR got off cos his criminal intent was impaired by mental health issues.
  
  Why is there no examination of what was the intent behind the ZZZ’s huge donations to both major parties .
  
  There’s quite a few very rotten smells around this whole thing . Not least the Media Party’s lack of interest in why these guys were so interested in making big secret donations.
  
  It’s weird though that they can corruptly make donations but the receiving party literally gets off . And no one seems that interested in that either .
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:57am
- Phronesis
  
  No one is that stupid. The whole case was based on the independent value of the art vs the amount paid, and the difference being a donation.
  
  Fire the whole office for incompetence. It’s the least they deserve when in any reasonable country they would all be jailed for corruption.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:58am
- DeepBlue
  
  Supplementary: was this omission intentional by SFO?
  
  Now Labour can crow ‘it didn’t happen to us, it was National’
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    So Labour now owns the SFO as well as general Policing activities. Who would have guessed? The SFO must be replicating the FBI’s modus operandi.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:56am
artemisia

What happened to the climate emergency, this country’s nuclear free moment?

Govt falling well short of 2025 electric fleet goal

Simeon Brown sums it up (and not just for the EV issue – “They’ve given zero thought to the practicalities required …”

Some good investigation by NewstalkZB.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/governments-lagging-drive-to-electrify-fleet-agencies-still-buying-petrol-cars/
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October 7, 2022 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe someone gave Labour a bit of paper pointing out future electricity requirements, so they slowed down on EVs and started thinking about SMRs, small modular reactors for electricity generation?
  No? Why not? We all know it must come. Can’t continue with the aged stuff we have, and the Greens won’t allow say new hydros to be built? And it is one word that really gets the Greens into head exploding mode – “NUCLEAR!”
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:25am
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, do we still have any suitable sites for new hydros, or have we used all the best ones?
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t know. I have heard the Govt is spending 30 something million researching this.
      Just bite the bullet and go Nuclear – fuck the loopy Greens. Nuclear has to come.
      
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      October 7, 2022 12:17pm
      - Hebe123
        
        No – the 30 mill is on the lake Onslow pumped storage feasibility report.
        
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        October 7, 2022 1:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hebe, really? What I read was for new. Fuck pumped storage is a waste. Pity AC can’t be stored.
        
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        October 7, 2022 5:55pm
    - Hebe123
      
      I’m not sure as it’s been a long time since I worked on this but I believe there were further options identified back in the ECNZ days and generating companies will be aware of these. These days though, a generator wouldn’t have a shit show of getting consent for them** and the cost to build would be eye watering (and well in excess of the current marginal cost of generation) so sadly it will never happen.
      
      **one smaller one on the West Coast (Kumara?) failed to get consent a few years ago. Someone can probably remember the details but I think DOC was in support and still failed….
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:15pm
      - crikey
        
        A hydro development on the Ngakawau river (West Coast) was not allowed to proceed (about 1995) and another on the Clutha was canned about 2001.
        
        The chance of new hydro developments now is 1/3 of 5/8 of SFA.
        
        Nuclear generation is the standout environmental solution. In this regard NZ was stuffed by Lange’s Labour government anti -American stance in the 1980s. People are so brainwashed that rational discussion is now practically impossible.
        
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        October 7, 2022 8:43pm
      - crikey
        
        Could have been the Mohikinui ~1995.
        
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        October 7, 2022 8:52pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      do we still have any suitable sites for new hydros
      
      Not really AFAIK. The odd little one maybe but nothing like the Waitaki or Waikato schemes.
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:35pm
    - CJames
      
      There are good sites for hydros still in the South Island – a lot more economic than Onslow, but they will never get consents.
      There is the canal hydros from Waitaki dam to the sea. On the Clutha, there is Luggate, Queensbury, and a couple of sites below Roxburgh. Maybe 500MW between them all. If they were built, even though there is no lakes, the storage potential of existing lakes significant increases, maybe 500-1000 GWh.
      On the West Coast, there is a lot of potential for run of river and piped schemes. Waitaha, upper Grey and Arnold are 3 I can name. It would need major grid upgrades for them.
      
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      October 7, 2022 4:01pm
    - Simon Arnold
      
      An oldie but a goodie East Harbour Management Services (2004). ‘Waters of National Importance – Identification of Potential Hydroelectric Resources.’ A report for the Ministry of Economic Development.
      
      But coming closer to now try https://www.mbie.govt.nz/assets/hydro-generation-stack-update-for-large-scale-plant.pdf
      
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      October 7, 2022 5:31pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Mokihinui.
      
      Meridian pushed hard but it was stopped by the Greens
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokihinui_Hydro
      
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      October 7, 2022 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH 😎

Someone give that gal a Tissue !

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/livestream-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-speaks-to-media-in-northland.html
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October 7, 2022 8:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Isn’t there some body language theory that touching your nose repeatedly is an indication of lying? Lots of porkies in that interview!
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:12am
  - mandk
    
    And hypocrisy.
    
    Did you hear what she said about the importance of editorial independence in the media?
    
    BTW, that nose touching. Had she just had a line?
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’ve seen that body language in a lot of nite-clubs as well.
    Best watched with sound off 😀
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Mine is automatically muted, I detest the sound of her voice so I watched without listening. Looks like she had a couple of lines of A grade just before she went on……
      
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      October 7, 2022 8:27am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yep…Yep….that’s what it is.
        
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        October 7, 2022 8:32am
      - Opie
        
        As high as a kite.
        
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        October 7, 2022 8:43am
      - RalphT
        
        Clan, for the sake of my blood pressure I find that the best way to handle her press conferences is not tv but radio, and like you also with the sound muted.
        
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        October 7, 2022 8:56am
      - Colville
        
        Na……funny to watch but her pupils arent dilated at all. Just an itchy nose!
        
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        October 7, 2022 9:10am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Best watched with sound off 😀.”
      
      Yep. That’s what I did.
      
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      October 7, 2022 4:36pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Magz: Even with the sound off she’s tiring to watch. And as for that nose fettish at the beginning… as you say, night club behaviour for some!!
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what the hell are muzzles doing on those watchers? But touching the nose, unless one has the sniffles, is kind of weird.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Weird but needed……….
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:31am
  - Observer of Life
    
    And as you say Innie, what the f is up with those muzzles. So last month. Unless she is literally saying to us “she has muzzled Kelvie?!
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crikey!
  
  Don’t shake hands with our PM.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those are actually jiu jitsu moves right?
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:34am
- nathie
  
  Also why are her Ministers and the Women’s Rugby World Cup players (as per other footage of the event) wearing masks?
  
  Imagine the international players traveling to NZ from their own mask free countries only to be told to put masks on … when the general public don’t have to.
  
  So does it only happen when the PM is present? Hope not …. surely?
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:39am
  - oldfella
    
    nathie, will those rugby players also wear masks on game day? Lots of close contacts in those scrums. //
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:46am
  - Scooter
    
    They have to muzzle Kelvin somehow, BTW he didn’t look too happy.
    
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    October 7, 2022 6:45pm
- Ruawai
  
  Weird shoulder stretching just before she starts talking, bit like a coping strategy to loosen herself up to talk.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:45am
- rockape
  
  She looks a bit like the Coke Queen !
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:46am
- Scooter
  
  Shame, I can’t get Newscrub overseas, they mustn’t be too proud of their news content being read outside NZ. She does seem seem to be posting more bizaare stuff, now promoting Xmas cards for kids, it’s only the the first week of Oct Cindy get a grip.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People/media outside just don’t need word soup, bad for ratings
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:37am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Scooter. Get a VPN!!!
    Then you hookup like you are in NZ
    
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    October 7, 2022 4:06pm
- Scooter
  
  Just managed to watch it, how symbolic was Kelvin standing behind her wearing a black face mask. How a picture paints a thousand words.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:01am
  - Ghost
    
    Well what picture are you trying to paint? It is actually a blue rugby World Cup mask with the rugby World Cup logo on it, same logo he is standing in front of.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:19am
    - Scooter
      
      Maybe that he should tone things down a bit and keep silent for a change. Although on the other hand as Abraham Lincoln – Quote – Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:42am
      - Ghost
        
        He’s standing behind the prime minister wearing an offical rugby World Cup face mask. Nothing to tone down, isn’t saying anything. He’s in his electorate. Maybe you should take your own advice about remaining silent instead of looking the fool.
        
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        October 7, 2022 10:51am
- Ghost
  
  So are people turning up to watch the rugby or to watch the opening musicians?
  
  Editorial independence is key, unless funding stipulates you are not to report negative vaccine stories huh google. And a pm that claims to be the single source of truth, liar
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:09am
  - Paulus
    
    How many opening tickets are unsold – even the Uni people did not want a freebee as not their Maori scene I expect.
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:02am
    - Ghost
      
      I think eden park has a 50,000 capacity, so still a lot of empty seats.
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Last time I mentioned her friend it got deleted.
  But the mods can’t stop me thinking out loud to myself!
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    You too huh? I thought it was only my posts that were dispatched to ether.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:42am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  It is such a comedy watching Jacinda without any volume. She shows so many expressions!!
  
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  October 7, 2022 1:26pm
Scott

Newshub last night had a brief story about the robberies of Michael Hill stores, 10 robberies in the last few months. The jeweller is having to massively beef up security with fog cannons, more security staff, issuing personal alarms to staff and some kind of invisible ink that marks robbers.

What still strikes me is how sanguine the media is. There is an unprecedented crime wave, some of the robberies happening in broad daylight and yet the issue is treated in a matter of fact, very low key way.

I think the media should be interviewing the police commissioner demanding to know what is he going to do about this? The minister of Police, the Prime minister should be interviewed for an explanation.

This state of affairs, the relentless slide into anarchy cannot continue. Yet our guardians of democracy are seemingly unperturbed by this crime wave that has only emerged under this government. In truth they seem more concerned with monkey pox which got a higher billing and yet in truth only affects men having homosexual orgies.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/michael-hill-forced-to-implement-raft-of-security-measures-as-smash-and-grabs-ram-raids-continue.html
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October 7, 2022 8:08am
- Roberta
  
  Jacinda doesn’t do interviews like that, she only does televised event openings, kindergartens, and significant disasters.
  
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  October 7, 2022 7:27pm
- Ghost
  
  Here is jacinda being asked, it’s just word soup really
  
  https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/national/2022/09/no-one-should-feel-comfort-in-crime-ardern-reacts-to-ram-raid-documentary-.html
  
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  October 7, 2022 7:34pm
CJames

Yet another example of spin. Transpower wants more generation because it got so cold.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/transpower-issues-warning-notice-calling-for-more-electricity-generation.html
Yet go through the live data, of the 1040MW of wind, that is only producing 109MW. Guess what, when there are frosts, there is no wind. And even solar at this time wouldn’t help. The power companies wouldn’t have been able to bring coal or gas on because there needs to be somewhere for the power to go and wind, which was generating about 500MW yesterday, has priority. People need to be told this.
So the government’s solution? More wind of course!. Will it take more power cuts to force them to admit their stupidity? Or will Minister Woods blame the wrong parties yet again for her own inadequacies?
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October 7, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They will never admit their willful stupidity. These people are “climate change” zealots in the same was as Jim Jones’ followers. They will willingly drink the kool aid. Ideologues without the ability to actually study the science. Same as with the Branch Covidians. Head in the sand and dangerous nutters.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:19am
  - G152
    
    I regret I have but one uptick.
    Branch Covidians ?
    Brilliant
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Branch Covidians – had to use the Google machine.
    Look what I found, Laura Ingraham. Someone is this said ‘herd immunity is mass murder? Really? They are that screwed up? Btw, I did not hear Jaspinda’s name mentioned
    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6295094431001
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:03am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Yikes, I’ve just had a look at the Transpower generation website and they’ve even got the ‘liquid’ (AKA diesel) generation fired up!
  
  On a semi-related note, what’s NewsHub on about telling us that there’s _good_ news, because warmer weather is on the way?
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/weather-temperatures-predicted-to-creep-up-for-weekend-after-mid-week-winter-blast.html
  
  Don’t they realise that we’re in the grip of a ‘climate breakdown|crisis|catastrophe’, and warm weather is a killer, and we’re all gonna die!!??
  Surely the more weather like we used to have in the good old days, when the weather never crept about average for any length of time at all, and frosts and snow happened all the time, and farmers were out there dealing with thousands of frozen lambs, the better.
  Somebody needs to set NewsHub straight.
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  October 7, 2022 8:30am
  - Ruawai
    
    We run our home hot water and radiators on diesel then you are not beholden to the electricity supply.
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:47am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Thanks for the idea of looking at Transpower generation page on their website.
    
    https://transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-data
    
    Where is solar?
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Site has not been updated since last night when it was dark.
      Solar should be there soon – in the daytime//
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:16am
- Scott
  
  The appropriately named Powerline blog has said for some time that wind power and solar power are failures. To give you an idea of how bad they are – to meet the current United States energy needs you would have to cover the state of California with wind turbines. Then you would have to find another area the same size as California and cover it with wind turbines.
  
  I’m not sure what the amount of land needed in New Zealand would be to meet our energy needs with wind turbines? Maybe if we sacrificed the whole of Southland and Otago and covered them with wind turbines maybe we could supply New Zealand’s energy needs? But who would want to do that?
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/04/why-wind-and-solar-energy-are-doomed-to-failure.php
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:34am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I doubt that _just_ sacrificing Otago/Southland would suffice. You would _still_ need something else to provide the power during those times when there ain’t no wind there. However much wind generation we have needs to be backed up by something that works when we need it. Unless we think blackouts are OK that is, which is entirely possible with the nutcases leading us over this cliff.
    
    Side note – I’m not sure how close to the truth it is, but I often read on WUWT that it takes more energy to manufacture a wind turbine than you ever get back out of the thing.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That is correct. It has been known for some time now, but “they” don’t want you to know.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:35am
      - fernglas
        
        https://fullfact.org/online/wind-turbines-energy/
        Here’s some info.
        
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        October 7, 2022 7:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Figure 2 shows what we need. It is right in the face, yet always ignored.
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:18am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “To give you an idea of how bad they are – to meet the current United States energy needs you would have to cover the state of California with wind turbines. Then you would have to find another area the same size as California and cover it with wind turbines.”
    
    Then you’d need a battery that would deplete the world’s known lithium supplies to back up that silly crap. Doing all that would also be ruinously expensive.
    
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    October 7, 2022 4:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is not a bad thing. The public are asleep. Only rolling blackouts on a regular basis will wake them up. It will be entertaining to watch the UK and Germany this coming northern hemisphere winter. Also at the same time Australia as the air conditioning is switched on.
  
  The thing is few folk understand energy markets. They hear Jacinda bleat about climate change. However they have no clue what it takes to reduce emissions. It is all like a buzzing sound in the background. But they damn well understand the power going off.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:35am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The problem with UK Europe and Australia is that Governments closed down the “bad” energy sources before they had the “good”energy sources in place. Now they are having to open up the “bad”energy sources.
    Talk about dumb arses. Couldnt plan their way out of a paper bag.
    The only saving grace here and its only temporary is our hydro and geothermal but that wont meet demand. We need to double capacity by 2040 only 18 years away and I dont see any planning that will achieve this.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:36am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Cut immigration
      
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      October 7, 2022 7:47pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Only rolling blackouts on a regular basis will wake them up. It will be entertaining to watch the UK and Germany this coming northern hemisphere winter.
    
    _______________________
    
    Get your kicks watching people suffer through adversity, kids and old people freezing from escalating energy bills ?
    
    Stay classy…
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:58am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      BWAV, well the sheeple don’t listen. Sometimes the only way left is to learn the hard way. Sad but true.
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:21pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lol BwaV, “Get your kicks watching people suffer through adversity, kids and old people freezing from escalating energy bills ?” I don’t get a kick, but I certainly do not care a jot. And here is why. These “old” people and the parents of the “kids” get to vote. There is a good chance they voted for the current Government. The Government that claimed that they care and are empathetic. Why the fuck should I care or have any empathy when the Government has taken over doing all the caring and empathising? These people you speak of, get exactly what they vote for.
      
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      October 7, 2022 3:00pm
      - MCōs
        
        So what you’re saying is you couldn’t care less if all the old people in NZ were severely inconvenienced because some of them voted contrary to your own point of view.
        That’s how you win elections
        *Vote for me or the old people get it*
        
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        October 7, 2022 5:31pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The climate cult will just spin it as we need more renewables, the fact that renewables are causing the problem is incomprehensible to them and to those who lap up the spin as if it was pearls of wisdom, not pig slop.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:32am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Matt yes, and the see sea pea are loving making and selling the “renewables” gear for western idiots to kill their civilisations. Win win for them.
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:24pm
  - Handyman
    
    Renewables are often said to be unreliable and unpredictable. This is nonsense.
    It is 100% predictable that in a hard frost there is no wind.
    It is also 100% predictable that in a hard frost electricity will be used to heat homes.
    
    It is also 100% predictable that nutty greens do not realise this and insist 100% wind power is the answer.
    
    On a related note: New Zealand is unusual in that (nearly) all heating is electric compared to the northern hemisphere where aircon is from electricity but heating is from gas. The “no wind power when cold” phenomenon affects us more.
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      When the frost is there, the helicopters come out over the vineyards to blow the frost and stop grapes freezing. Vineyard owners only get one payday a year.
      Frostbite and you could be bankrupt.
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:26am
  - Hebe123
    
    There are a lot of steps between rolling blackouts and where we are now. Lots of dispatchable demand for instance, plus voluntary load shedding and fuel switching (We have lots of gas electricity switching in commercial buildings in chch thanks to Orion).
    
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    October 7, 2022 1:27pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Looks like usage peaked at 0835. Wind was generating 8 percent of its installed capacity. 🤡
  
  https://www.transpower.co.nz/power-system-live-data
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:39am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s quite interesting
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:57am
    - MCōs
      
      The gas market in Europe demonstrates what happens when a country’s power generation is reliant on international corporations, as we are with petrol. Our gas industry is Australian owned.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:31pm
  - cmm
    
    That’s the problem with renewables.
    
    When they install the stuff, they crow about the nameplate capacity (ie. max output under perfect conditions): enough to power 40,000 homes etc.
    
    But what they always fail to mention is dispatchable generation. This is the amount of generation that you can count on. Want more power, then phone them up and they turn it on. For coal etc, that’s high: around 90% of nameplate capacity.
    For most renewables it is zero because you can’t order the wind to blow or the sun to shine.
    
    Backing up solar and wind with pumped storage increases the dispatchability (because you can now order them to turn on the generator), but that rips into the efficiency (and cost).
    
    As a result, 10MW or coal generation can be depended on to produce approx 9MW or electricity when you want it.
    However 10MW of solar can only be depended on to produce around 1MW of electricity when you want it (and only if it is backed up by a suitable pumped storage scheme).
    
    This makes the cost of solar a lie. We now hear that solar is cheaper per MW than coal etc. Yes, that is true for nameplate capacity. But what really matters is dispatchable generation.
    
    Since you need 10x the amount of solar and you need some storage, then the cost of 1MW of coal generation should really be compared to the cost of 10MW of solar and a pump storage lake.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      … and without subsidies, there’d be no so-called renewables!
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Coal, yes. We have free coal but we buy it. Strange people these nutty lefties.
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:28am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep and gas is half the emissions of coal straight off the bat. So what did Jaspinda do? Frightened away the gas extraction industry with the idiotic future exploration bans. What an absolute genius!!!🤪
        
        Oh and then there’s the fact that artificial fertiliser (which makes feeding the current population of the planet possible) is dependant on, wait for it, NATURAL GAS.
        
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        October 7, 2022 2:57pm
      - MCōs
        
        NZ doesn’t own it’s own gas, but the crown has a majority shareholding in the hydro power plants.
        If you bung some solar panels on your roof they’re yours to control.
        
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        October 7, 2022 10:44pm
- alloytoo
  
  Ignoring for the moment the horrendous environmental impact of wind and solar, neither of them are ever going to produce rated capacity when the country actually needs it.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Globally, wind turbines kill millions of birds.
    
    https://abcbirds.org/blog21/wind-turbine-mortality/
    
    From the Greens here? Not a peep. Same as they are silent on the human and environmental toll of lithium and cobalt mining to produce EV batteries.
    
    I am not saying there should ne no wind turbines or no EVs. But these costs are horrendous and they should be debated and considered against the benefits. The Greens are silent because EVs and renewable energy and climate change are a multi headed cult. People who follow cults do not think.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There was a picture video circulating in the US. Wind turbine in the background and a woman carrying a bird with a chopped off wing. She was taking it to a vet and the a sanctuary. American Bald Eagle. It disturbed quite a few Americans – it was designed to. Found it:
      
      https://twitter.com/squillmama/status/1567956009095933952
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:37am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I’ll think you’ll see that it is a Golden Eagle. Tony Heller reported a few years ago when these wind turbines were first deployed that there were hundreds of eagles per year being killed, let alone falcons & other non birds of prey.
        Tragic – but the idiots will wake up too late – when some of the species become extinct.
        
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        October 7, 2022 4:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Whatever Eagle Don. It will not be flying again
        
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        October 7, 2022 6:00pm
    - Hebe123
      
      Bird migratory routes are considered in consent applications here – so the gens are careful where they build. Lots of bird strike in the early days in Cali when this wasn’t considered, I don’t believe there is alot now.
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:30pm
      - alloytoo
        
        So they don’t kill as many birds while not producing useful energy?
        
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        October 7, 2022 4:16pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No birds = no bird strikes reported.
        
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        October 7, 2022 6:02pm
  - cmm
    
    Extra CO2 is reversing the deserts. Cutting down on oil, gas and coal will cause the deserts to spread again.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      extra CO2 is reversing the deserts.
      
      Yeah right. Even if there was substance to the “CO2 as plant food” thing you still need rain.
      
      You been reading gateway pundit again ….. ?
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How about NASA?
        https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming
        https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
        https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146296/global-green-up-slows-warming
        
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        October 7, 2022 2:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Boston University?
        https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/humans-are-officially-greening-the-earth-is-that-a-good-thing/
        
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        October 7, 2022 2:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Someone else can explain to Ian about Photosynthesis and how more CO2 makes the process more efficient as plants need less water.
        
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        October 7, 2022 2:06pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ian you are badly misinformed. Try getting your info from outside of far left echo chambers.
        
        Try listening carefully to this highly decorated and credentialed physicist and C02 expert.
        
        Conversations That Matter EP38: William Happer
        https://vimeo.com/128317908
        
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        October 7, 2022 3:04pm
- CJames
  
  The issue was triggered by part of the DC to AC conversion system at Haywards going down, reducing capacity of DC. Started at 5:30 this morning, fixed at 8:30. They could then ramp it up.
  I don’t know how unexpected it was. Transpower got in touch with all the generation sites 2 days ago, wanting them to defer any unplanned work because the predicted they would be short of power.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:06am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Short of power? If only we had access to a form of energy that we could simply extract out of the ground, cheap as chips like, that would last us for hundreds of years, that came in gas and solid form to suit the demands of an electricity grid (base load and peak load), that sat on a fairly small footprint, and that _might_ even have the side-benefit of warming the planet some fractional amount, fending off the next ice age by a few years.
    Oh well, never mind. We’ll have to ‘bolster’ our grid with the type of generation that makes the grid more fragile, isn’t green, doesn’t work in the dark, or when there’s no wind (i.e. when we need it).
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:15am
    - I remember when
      
      And what’s more it could even move us further up the Debt-to-GDP ratio listing.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:14am
    - cmm
      
      Imagine too there was a technology that could turn CO2 into food. SUrely that would be a good thing and we would encourage it, not punish it.
      
      Well there has been such a technology for millennia: agriculture.
      
      Agriculture extracts CO2 from the air through photosynthesis and makes that into food (directly into plant materials than are eaten, or fed to animals that are eaten).
      
      But somehow this is bad.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That energy in the ground is free, but we buy it.
      Why? What is really the matter with the left being led into this hoax?
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The modern leftie poli and voters have been insulated by nanny state for a generation and fundamentally don’t get there there is personal economic pain associated with bad choices. This is the year that lesson appears to be getting taught to much of the west as the ability of govt’s to shield populous from their bad voting choices is being overwhelmed.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:37am
- Hebe123
  
  Wind doesn’t actually get priority, the cheapest offers get priority. I believe wind generators, because they are unfirm, are required to offer at 1 cent. So arguably a thermal could undercut them – they won’t as they won’t get paid as they would if they were the marginal (most expensive dispatched) generator.
  
  The rule book may have changed but intermittent (unfirm) gens used to be required to use a persistence (future is same as now) forecast – though I think there was an allowance for other forecasting tools if proven to be better. If Transpower were given the right to amend offers say on the basis of daily patterns this would be a non issue, though I doubt they want to be put in that position.
  
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  October 7, 2022 1:23pm
  - CJames
    
    Hebe. What you write is sort of correct, though the problem is they don’t have to meet dispatch. That is where the problem is. Other plant that offers in at 1c, which include hydros on minimum or consent flows, geothermal, thermals on minimum load, still have to meet what they tell the SO they will generate. Don’t meet it (or exceed it) and you can be fined. That doesn’t apply to wind (or solar). Plant (often thermals) has to be available to generate as back up for the unreliables, but they get less money from the reserves market than if they were generating. And that is why we have had several power shortages. The wind collapse is too late to start up thermals. August last year was a case in point when wind dropped about 300MW in an hour about 4pm.
    Some wind farms found the price was so low that if the price goes below a certain value, they withdraw generators from the market. This was because the mtce costs were so high – so much for wind being free. From memory one of the Tararua farms had blocks at $20 and $40.
    That not meeting dispatch exemption is a hard concept for people to get their head around. Easier to grasp priority even if it isn’t correct terminology.
    
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    October 7, 2022 4:19pm
Warren

How can you Govern a Country with a Prime Minister and Finance Minister wanting to blame the opposition for there own inept policy and incompetence.
Well this is what Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Grant Robertson our Finance Minister do it is a continual barrage of lies and deciet to regain power at the next election.
How can you give the Womans Soccer World Cup a free reign of who enters our Country to administrate run and play in the Country when nurses and doctor that are urgently wanted in New Zealand don’t get the same privilege and have been waiting for months while our Hospitals are overrun with burnt out staff.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/government-gives-sweeping-work-visa-exemptions-to-anyone-associated-with-fifa-women-s-world-cup.html
Why are the headlines in the media most days portraying failure from this Government if the stories aren’t right,
like are they listing from one Journalist.
Then how Labour have lost the narrative on Mental Health reform , Jane Cliftonon Screaming U-Turns can’t save the Government now New Public Media entity gives Minister’s Muldoon – Era control: TVNZ
Kathy Spensor: Income insurance “poorly executed “.
Hosking Labour mastering the art of own goals, thanks to these three Minister’s.
Deeply disappointed: Labours broken Cancer promises costing lives critics say .
And there is more of there failures to see and personally myself I can not see why people on either side of politics can not see the only thing Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is interested in is how she can get re- elected ,not what is needed for our Country or those that live here.
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October 7, 2022 8:12am
- I remember when
  
  I suppose it raises the question –
  if they get injured will they be able to get medical treatment.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes, believe so as would be covered by ACC as accident occurred in New Zealand.
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:05am
Yvette

Trust in media
A couple of days ago Willie Jackson, Minister of Broadcasting, said –
“We need a trusted public broadcaster because national identity is incredibly important and no longer do people trust New Zealand television or New Zealand radio.”

Now – Jackson has [yesterday] clarified his comments, telling RNZ: “I didn’t mean to say … or cast aspersions in terms of TVNZ or RNZ, they still are a trusted medium. But all our surveys have told us that the public are losing faith with the media.
“Trust in media is slipping, both here and internationally, and this government wants to do something about it,” he said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/475747/broadcasting-minister-clears-up-comments-on-no-trust-in-nz-television-and-radio

But – New Zealand’s media bosses tell MPs proposed TVNZ-RNZ merger riddled with problems
… TVNZ [itself] is concerned the way the Bill is written gives far too much power to the responsible minister.
“The last time that power existed was in the 1970s under the Muldoon Government. I think we would all agree that that is probably not the greatest place we want to be thinking about,” said Simon Power, TVNZ chief executive.
At a time when there is global growing distrust in media due to, among other things, disinformation around government funding and influence, protecting editorial independence and quelling even any perception of government overreach is absolutely paramount.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/new-zealand-s-media-bosses-tell-mps-proposed-tvnz-rnz-merger-riddled-with-problems.html

So Willie is creating more of what he claims he is fixing
The epitome of this Ardern Government
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October 7, 2022 8:16am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yep, whatever they “fix”, ends up being worse.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:59am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    That’s because it gives them another opportunity to be stupid.
    
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    October 7, 2022 7:08pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Being able to talk on the radio with your mates and laugh about issues such as those around the “roast busters”, does not mean you have any knowledge or experience of broadcasting integrity or governance – as Mr Jackson so clearly demonstrates every time he opens his mouth – on and off air.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:24am
- alloytoo
  
  As I have said before National needs to embrace the merger and then sell the new entity.
  
  First 100 days “Wham Bam Thank you Willie.”
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:19pm
ClanMcleod

NYT ‘Right Wing Conspiracy Theory’ Comes True In Less Than 24 Hours

On Tuesday, the New York Times framed a story circulating on the right over a software company’s connection with the Chinese Communist Party as a “right-wing conspiracy theory.”

“At an invitation-only conference in August at a secret location southeast of Phoenix, a group of election deniers unspooled a new conspiracy theory about the 2020 presidential outcome,”

Bloody election fraud conspiracy theorists!

Nek minnit……

The next morning, Konnech executive Eugene Yu was arrested for the alleged theft of poll workers’ personal information…..

Talk about awkward!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nyt-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-comes-true-less-24-hours?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=978
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October 7, 2022 8:24am
Benedict Yu

So this woman goes to a tattoo artist to get the word MEOW tattooed on the inside of her bottom lip. It seems there was miscommunication. Instead she has MEOW on the outside of her bottom lip. So she goes to the media. 😂

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2022/10/woman-in-utter-disarray-after-lip-tattoo-goes-horrifically-wrong.html

Some observations…

Why did you want MEOW tattooed on the inside of your lip?

During the procedure, could you not sense that it was in fact being placed on the outside of your lip?

Did you not think that going to the media and disclosing your name might reveal to the entire world that you are stupid?
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October 7, 2022 8:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  3 million hits, she achieved her “ten minutes of fame”. I’m guessing that’s all she wanted?
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:57am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Haven’t clicked on the link yet, but the headline seems chronologically incorrect. I think the woman that wanted to have the inside of her lip tattooed was in utter disarray before she went near the tattoo parlour.
  
  Also, would she not have noticed where they were tattooing while they were doing it?
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:10am
- DeepBlue
  
  Ummmm. Looks like a Sharpie pen to me. Now it has been laser (wiped off?) removed. At least she was famous for 5 minutes.
  
  A clean-skin face like hers surely would have raised doubt in the tattooist.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:41am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  She was in the bottom stream at school Ben. There, sorted it.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:05am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Stupid tattoo. Stupid idea.
  Stupid tattoo artist. Looks home-made. The ‘o’ for instance is sloppy.
  Stupid person. A transfer or mark out should have been placed on the location so they can agree position. Especially since the work was done with the lip stretched, which distort the letters.
  
  I am actually not 100% sure this is real.
  Looks like if someone drew on her lip with pen, and then made up a story for 15 mins of fame (?) ….or else it is a really crap bit of poorly thought-out inking by an ‘artist’, without any preparation, onto a very stupid person.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:36am
  - Ghost
    
    I think she drew it on her lip to go viral. Doesn’t look real, and there is no way you could have that done and not realise it is in the wrong place
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Where is ACC ?
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:07am
- Random T Person
  
  My 42yo wife wants to get tattoos all over her body. Utterly repulsive. I don’t even know if I should be upset about it, am I wrong to feel this way?
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    Bit unkind to call your wife utterly repulsive, but you don’t think the tats might improve the situation?
    
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    October 7, 2022 12:22pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You can’t help how you feel.
    Tattoos can look good on women, if done well, and not on places that are offputtingly obtrusive.
    Kind of the same with men, really.
    Some full sleeves (think Japanese style), or leg tatoos can look good. Neck or face, nah.
    Women can do the lower back too (aka. the Tramp Stamp). Men seem to do chest, which isn’t such a good idea for females.
    It would depend on design chosen and the talent of the artist also.
    It would be neither a good nor a bad thing from my perspective.
    Conspicuous tattoos might hint the lady has a bit of wild or ‘crazy’ about her, and that is like a Goldilocks thing.
    Not too little. Not too much. You want it juuuuuust right.
    
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    October 7, 2022 12:27pm
    - Hebe123
      
      My niece says tha “no tattoos is the new tattoo “.
      
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      October 7, 2022 1:35pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Tattoos on women, apart from a small ’emblem’ type tat on the arm/shoulder, are repulsive IMO – it is a from of mutilation. It grew out of paganism, where adherents had to have an image of their god.
        
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        October 7, 2022 4:53pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I would be upset about it. I like women just the way they are naturally. I don’t mind hair dye but that’s all.
    
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    October 7, 2022 7:11pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sounds like she’s thinking differently
    
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    October 7, 2022 7:58pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Maybe early mid-life crisis? Tattoos are a huge turn off for me .. on any of the dozen genders we now have.
      
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      October 8, 2022 8:36am
kowtow

Will our Media Party breathlessly report the latest Creepy Joe stuff up.

Hot mic in Fort Myers

“Don’t fuck with the Bidens”
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October 7, 2022 8:37am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yeah Kowtow, it was actually “no one fucks with a Biden”, Biden to Fort Myers Mayor Ray Murphy. And the responses were: no one. Except for Russia. OPEC, Saudi Arabia. China. Donald Trump, Taliban, Hunters laptop. So no one at all. Poor old Joe. There were many who questioned his faculties when he was 20 years younger. Now he is just a parody. Who leads the free world. And has a VP who is even more impaired than him!
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:11am
- virtualmark
  
  Sigh.
  
  If you watch the video Biden was clearly saying it as a joke, and both he and the guy he was speaking to laughed straight afterwards.
  
  If I were to add another joke to it I’d say “No one fucks with a Biden, unless they’re a bike”, or something similar. But Fox News and the RWNJ media don’t have a sense of humour – they’re just permanent outrage machines.
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    sigh
    
    Keep the faith
    
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    October 7, 2022 12:59pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    But Fox News and the RWNJ media don’t have a sense of humour….
    
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    
    There’s spin and then there’s projection, this time from the Po-faced-dour-So-Unfunny-they-banned-Dilbert US Left wing that Virtualmark unceasingly supports.
    
    In fact Fox News and the RWNJ media, and even more the RWNJ social media, laughed their tits off at that latest demonstration of the pathetic tough-guy act that is President Sponge-Brain-Shits-Pants.
    
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    October 7, 2022 2:41pm
    - virtualmark
      
      You know Tom I really enjoy humour. Clever humour. Big fan of Yes Minister for example – cleverest show I know of.
      
      Obama can tell a great joke. Biden not so eloquent but also cracks jokes. Bush I and Bush II good with a funny line. Reagan was excellent at it. Clinton very clever and funny too.
      
      Trump … never heard him crack a joke. Ever. Pre- or post-2016. Anger yes. Hate yes. No jokes. Well, apart from the “injecting bleach” one, but we all know he didn’t run that line to be funny, unless we’re counting dumb-as-rocks funny.
      
      De Santis … permanent scowl. Never really smiles. Doesn’t seem to have a sense of humour.
      
      But if we’re using words like “projection” and “Sponge-Brain-Shits-Pants” you should keep in mind that Trump wears Depends because years of drug use have left him incontinent, and the people in the room with him (like Tillerson, and Bolton) said he was as dumb as rocks, and one of the dumbest people in Washington. And Mr Bone Spurs wouldn’t be a pathetic wannabe tough-guy right?
      
      Projection eh Tom?
      
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      October 7, 2022 4:54pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Trump … never heard him crack a joke
        
        You’re not as up with the play with your sources as I thought you were. Here’s the New York Times:
        
        What’s more, Trump has the skills of a celebrity. He’s funny, he has stage presence, and he has a kind of natural charisma.
        
        🤣🤣🤣
        Now admittedly that was buried in a hit piece they were doing on DeSantis,
        Trump is no longer so evil – New York Times, which was an easily predictable move in the search for The Next GOP Hitler, involving:
        
        The cycle of demonising the next GOP President by rehabilitating the previous ones who were condemned in their time as Evil, Moronic Scum Who Would Destroy The Nation.
        
        Also known as Strange New Respect, though they’re not quite there yet with Trump.
        
        Meantime:
        
        Well, MBS has Trump and Kushner in his pocket.
        …
        He was owned outright by the Italian mob, then by the Russian mob when they rolled up the Genovese crime family in the 1990s.
        …
        you should keep in mind that Trump wears Depends because years of drug use
        
        🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
        
        Jesus. It’s been at least a decade since I dealt with a Truther: “because years of drug use”. How refreshing.
        
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        October 7, 2022 6:34pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Virt: “ Trump … apart from the “injecting bleach” one, but we all know he didn’t run that line to be funny”. Ah, you clearly didn’t listen to that full interview. He didn’t say that. That was the MSM’s interpretation.
        
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        October 8, 2022 8:39am
kowtow

The Caped Crusader was at some persons with vagainas sports promo .

They all had masks on . WTF .

Is the same event the Immigration Dept has given open slather to on visas .

The Plebs must have their entertainment . We know that from the DJ visa blowout during Wuflu when real workers were not welcome.

Bread and circusses .
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October 7, 2022 8:41am
- Frank the tank
  
  Was that in this country. I thought that was being undertaken in that mythical place, R.T. Rower?
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:18am
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MANA IN DEATH?

My partner’s mum was saying she followed the Peter Ellis child abuse case very closely back in the early 90’s.
Watched all the police interviews. Listened to all the talkback. Still has Lynley Hood’s book.

“Guilty-as-charged” she reckons.

Just saying.
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October 7, 2022 8:42am
- Southern Raider
  
  Your mother in law needs a lie down. Ellis was completely screwed over by homophobic Chch numpties, too many mothers with child sexual issue degrees and lazy cops
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Lazy corrupt cop, at least in one case – sleeping with the mother of one of the kids who were badgered into admitting anything as long as they could go home.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:56am
  - Jack5
    
    If Maggie Pie’s mother-in-law reckons she read Lynley Hood’s book and reckons Peter Ellis was guilty, Maggie Pie’s mother-in-law is covering up for her dyslexia.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:55am
    - Paulus
      
      Why is the decision today governed by what is called Tikanga whatever that is, under the TOW ?
      
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      October 7, 2022 11:08am
      - Nickc2
        
        Can someone on KB please direct me to Tikanga in the ToW or any phrase that could be construed to mean ‘Maori have a right to do things their way, in accordance with their tikanga’
        
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        October 7, 2022 12:38pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I know someone who worked there at the time and she says he is innocent. I’ll take the word of my friend who was there over the police of the day. Lead officer had form with a few of the mothers.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:29am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Not only was he innocent of the crimes he was charged with, none of those crimes occurred, or even could have occurred.
    
    A travesty perpetuated against an innocent man and – for a while at least – 4 female co-workers – in the name of the satanic abuse and “recovered memories” industries. About as much substance as gender ideology and the argument against streaming in schools.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:00am
    - cmm
      
      A travesty has also occurred in that innocent children likely suffered real trauma from the “memories” planted in them.
      
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      October 7, 2022 4:11pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      A dry run for the covid scam
      
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      October 7, 2022 8:03pm
  - mogg
    
    The cop who said in tv interview on the case “I believe in a god who will not be mocked.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:25am
- mogg
  
  My wife is from Christchurch and has known one of the accused crèche women from early school days and training college. She also has met the other crèche workers.
  The Peter Ellis case is a stain on NZ justice and police force. Your MIL can listen to all the talkback she likes, but she is still talking shite.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Fellow creche workers of Ellis were also hounded. The lives of some were ruined.
    
    The Christchurch case was one of a number that occurred in the world around that time.
    
    It was mass hysteria, in the mould of burning “witches” and the 1997 Pokemon panic, in which thousands of Japanese kids seemed to have seizures while watching one episode.
    
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    October 7, 2022 2:23pm
- Lance
  
  There was shit fight in Auck Psych dept over this issue. The ‘researchers’ (including a world leading memory expert) politely called extracting memories from children extremely unreliable. The ‘clinical’ academics had hurty feelings over facts being hurled at them.
  There were calls for a ‘healing’.
  
  This was a dark chapter in NZ history where grossly incompetent zealots debased the profession of Psychologist. Not to mention that shit for brains Police detective at the centre of it all who couldn’t keep his trousers zipped up.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:33am
  - Taieri
    
    This was a dark chapter in NZ history where grossly incompetent zealots debased the profession of Psychologist.
    —————-
    
    This is what nowadays passes for a science. Plenty of other examples, too numerous to list here really. Climate, Covid, Matauranga, Gender and all sorts of a similar associated shite…
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:21am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  How could someone read an excellent book like ‘A City Possessed’ by Lynley Hood, and still think Ellis was guilty?
  The book was very clear it must be placed into the context of the time with moral panic around ritual child abuse, the emergence of a certain suite ‘experts’, and the manipulation of children.
  It was patently clear that comments from children were stretched, sought/constructed, inappropriately elicited over extensive and multiple interviews, and then actual woven into a narrative that was so ridiculous it should have (can only be) been laughed at.
  Your Mum’s ‘reckons’ either mean she hasn’t read the book, or else it still beholden to the moral panic and hysteria (homophobia?) which saw Ellis alone convicted amongst ALL of the Civic Creche staff who were initially being stitched up by the destructive authorities.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:44am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes. Its as ridiculous as the Lindy Chamberlain case in NT Australia back in the ’80’s. A travesty of justice, and lying cops.
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:02am
- zulumonster
  
  “Still has Lynley Hood’s book.”
  I suggest she reads it then …
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:53am
- cmm
  
  Ellis apparently has his mana back.
  
  The judicial system (from the cops to the judiciary) – not so much. Will it ever be able to regain its mana? Not the way it is going anyway.
  
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  October 7, 2022 4:13pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Pathetic. It has been obvious for a decade that he was screwed over. Just because he was not a wealthy ‘proud conservative heterosexual’ like you did not make him guilty. You have no boundaries.
  
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  October 7, 2022 5:01pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I’ve said before, Peter Ellis took my wife’s job at the Chch Civic Creche when we moved to Auckland. We didn’t know Peter but we did know all the women who worked there and the barmy parent who initiated it all. There is no way what was alleged was possible or would have been tolerated. The judge prevented proper defence being mounted and subsequently DoJ officials obstructed proper restitution. It was politicised by a feminist network. A truly shameful and inexcusable injustice.
  
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  October 7, 2022 7:03pm
- crikey
  
  Your partner’s Mum may well still have Lynley Hood’s book. Here’s an idea – suggest she reads it sometime.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

What the Hell is Sharon Murdoch trying to tell us this morning?
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October 7, 2022 8:47am
- Ruawai
  
  Something about Elon Musk and Twitter.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:51am
- mandk
  
  I was trying to figure it out, as well, but was totally defeated.
  
  Murdoch is devoid of talent as a cartoonist.
  
  She should have stuck with picking up dog shit for a living.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:10am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Women are more rarely funny than men. There’s a competitive and trained developed skill aspect to being funny, it takes a lot of work to develop the skill, and girls tend to not have to work to impress anyone to get a root (unlike majority of straight boys).
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:43am
  - All_on_Red
    
    She has evolved. Now SHE produces dog shit.
    
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    October 7, 2022 9:50am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Outrageously funny Red. Could you put that in a cartoon for the paper?
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:14am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Or get a Statue built. Just like they did to Nick Smith
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/89037999/artist-to-make-giant-sculpture-of-nick-smith-doing-a-poo-to-protest-waterways-pollution
        
        Shall we start a Give a little page?
        
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        October 7, 2022 10:39am
- Matt Long
  
  Don’t know, don’t care.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:42am
Southern Raider

Kudos to Merepaka. Someone needed to say what rest of us where thinking about OT and their CEO

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/malachi-subecz-whanau-ora-chair-merepeka-raukawa-tait-claims-oranga-tamariki-complicit-in-murder/3N2TTE42OLHJ27VINMBF3ES3FI/
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October 7, 2022 8:52am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  What happened to that little boy is so utterly sad. And evil. Some people really should hang, and a slow one hanging that.
  But the failure of the authorities here should have people falling on their swords.
  There seems to be no real shame, no real remorse, and no sense that there is any learning or desire to change.
  Ministers should be fronting, and the department should be under the lens and fronting.
  Incredible, given the public sentiment and the issues being front of mind around children being murdered that this literally happened under their watch.
  Heads need to roll for this. And not just metaphorically, if there was any justice.
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:52am
- The Housekeeper
  
  I would give Raukawa-Tait more kudos if she directed her outrage to the bloody useless parenting and appalling lack of family support that puts these kids in front of OT in the first place.
  
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  October 7, 2022 1:33pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @The Housekeeper-
    I have heard Ms Raukawa. Tait speak at conferences two or three times,
    Believe me, she doesn’t hold back. She gives the families both barrels about these sorts of parenting issues and outcomes,
    
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    October 7, 2022 2:46pm
Ruawai

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/womans-car-set-alight-in-random-arson-attack-neighbours-tell-of-shocking-event/CUVUEXSMKCYO4F5CONICBUXSZE/

A quote from the article:
“The footage shows a couple of young people who could be behind the fire, I just think they were bored, they need to be found because they need help and guidance so no one else’s house or car catches fire overnight.”

No what they need are consequences for their actions and punishment, maybe having to work to buy the women a new car as she was uninsured. That might make them think twice before doing this again!
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October 7, 2022 9:07am
- kowtow
  
  The Woke Good Samaritan.
  
  We all know how he helped the victim in the original .
  
  The woke version is ;
  
  a man comes across the beaten victim , looks at his many wounds and declares , the people who did this to you need my help and he walks on by.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:39am
ClanMcleod

Yes, it’s the Morning After … that revolting regurgitant chorus you’re hearing is the sound of millions of Covidian Cultists down on their knees in their gender-neutral bathrooms praying to the Porcelain God.

It has been quite a trip these last two and a half years, but the orgy of fear and hatred is over, the mass hysteria is wearing off, and the reality of the damage they have done is beginning to become undeniable.

CJ Hopkins in his inimitable way talks about the next phase of the covid circus for many people out there.

https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-morning-after?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=298057&post_id=76239870&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Believe it or not, my heart goes out to them … these formerly fanatical Covidian Cultists that wanted me segregated from society, and silenced, and locked up in an internment camp. I cannot make it easier for them by pretending they didn’t do what they did (and in too many cases are still actively doing), or pretending they were hypnotized, or in some other altered state of consciousness, while they did what they did for the past two and half years, but just imagine how they must be feeling now that the party is finally over and the brutal morning after has arrived.

Imagine realizing at this late stage of things that everything you believed, thought, and said, the incalculable harm you have done to people, and to society, was never about a pandemic, but was always about conditioning the masses to respond to fear, coercion, and control like some global Pavlovian behavioral experiment……

This is just the dawn of the Morning After. I have a feeling we ain’t seen nothing yet.

Read the whole thing. One of the finest writers of our time.
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October 7, 2022 9:08am
- I remember when
  
  Naval Ravikant:
  “Panic led to lockdowns.
  Lockdowns led to fiscal stimulus.
  Stimulus led to inflation.
  Inflation led to monetary tightening.
  Tightening leads to recession.
  The panic wasn’t free – and the bill is coming due.”
  
  And research suggests that 50% of the population are still living in fear of future covid, unable to move forward.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:56am
kiwikidsnz

Piers Morgan hour interview with Dr Jordan Peterson. Revealing.

https://youtu.be/lpnvGA-wJIE
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October 7, 2022 9:14am
Maggie Pie

Suns out. Looks like being a FAB weekend in the SuperCity 😎

My partner just txt to say word at the Viaduct is Brownie already 10% ahead of Fester! Gonna be an absolute landslide for Wayno!!
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October 7, 2022 9:22am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Hopefully Wayne stays ahead, but it wouldn’t surprise me what lengths the left will go to to get Effesso across the line. Efesso will probably be out in Manukau offering free KFC vouchers to go and vote for him!
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Doesn’t even have to go out – he can do it from the safety and comfort of his computer, using the Labour database.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:01am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… arden endorsing that labour guy must have been the catalyst for Wayne getting some traction.
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:57am
  - mogg
    
    The Ardern kiss of death.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:27am
MCōs

An article in the Bangkok Post about the terrible killings in Thailand’s NE yesterday.
The first comment is very good.
The guy was obviously addicted to yaba, translated to ‘crazy medicine’
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2408686/teacher-recounts-terrifying-childcare-centre-shooting
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October 7, 2022 9:23am
BeaB

Pleased to see the end of Suzie Ferguson on RNZ. All that silly giggling. Patsy interviews with Arden. The Grand Inquisitor with anyone from National.
This morning it seemed every topic was funny from tax rates to the weather. What is wrong with them?
Just give us the news and interviews designed to inform not ambush.
And no more campaigns. Why on earth were announcers haranguing us about voting? Surely that’s one of our democratic choices.
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October 7, 2022 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  I am more concerned as to who is taking over from Susi – recently it is mumbles Espiner, but I assume it must be a Labour Party Maori woman who is proficient in all things Maori.
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:14am
I remember when

Just to keep you informed.
Kapiti-Mana News:
– Taranaki Whanui has signed a Takai Here agreement with the Hutt City Council and they signed a similar agreement alongside Te Atiawa and Ngati Toa as part of the capital’s 10-year Tupiki Ora Maori Strategy.
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October 7, 2022 9:39am
- Nickc2
  
  WTF does that mean?
  
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  October 7, 2022 9:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Tūpiki Ora is a metaphor for the pursuit of wellbeing and establishes the shared commitment of Wellington City Council, Mana Whenua and Māori, to seeking new ways to support our whānau to thrive. It supports a Māori-led response to uplifting the state of wellbeing of whānau, anchored in the whakapapa relationships between people, place and nature.”
    
    https://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/plans-policies-and-bylaws/policies/tupiki-ora-maori#:~:text=Our%20T%C5%ABpiki%20Ora%20M%C4%81ori%20strategy,support%20our%20wh%C4%81nau%20to%20thrive.
    
    If rate payers were not paying for it, this would be hilarious.
    
    Please National. Amend the Local Government Act to limit the activities of local government. Because if you don’t there will be no end to this madness.
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:05am
    - Nickc2
      
      What do I, a white Ratepayer get out of it?
      To me, it’s nothing but money to Maori in return for feel-good BS.
      
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      October 7, 2022 10:20am
    - Ruawai
      
      If Maori want to be consulted on every government and council decision that is fine, but stop giving them payment for it, this will see the consultations dry up overnight.
      
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      October 7, 2022 2:06pm
- Paulus
  
  Eh ?
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:15am
I remember when

Would Jan Thomas still be a VC at Massey if she was right wing?
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October 7, 2022 9:49am
All_on_Red

Has Ardern relinquished the Emergency Powers they used during Covid yet?
The Pandemic is over. Why haven’t they given them up?
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October 7, 2022 9:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Don’t be silly!
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    C’mon man – the third wave is gonna strike a few months before the election – Jaxinda said so. //
    
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    October 7, 2022 10:58am
- MCōs
  
  The State of National Emergency relating to the pandemic was lifted on 13-May 2020.
  Since then there have been 16 local Declared States of Emergency related to weather, flooding & coastal hazards . . . . . .
  
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  October 7, 2022 10:11am
- Bobba Fret
  
  What next? A monkey pox outbreak, will have to delay the election!/
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:10am
Nickc2

Tin-Pot Tyrants
There’s no guessing who Neil Oliver’s talking about here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_57hGaTsEQ
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October 7, 2022 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I was just looking for that. Right at the end “She’s sinister”
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:55am
kevn

@Nickc2…. “yip, yip, that’s what it is”.
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October 7, 2022 10:36am
Alan Wilkinson

Anyone else find themselves avoiding voting for Maori candidates because of concern they may be Jackson/Mahuta style racists?
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October 7, 2022 10:49am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I looked at the Maori Ward candidates in my city, and they were all banging on about in-group racial bias of course (but the GOOD sort of racial bias//) but some stood for street renaming, or even changing the name of the city etc.
  Some of the same people also stood as regular Ward candidates – so yes. Some were open enough about where their priorities lay. But you can’t help but look with concern on any Maori candidate that stands now, around what baggage or issues they will bring. i.e. ‘Is this one fucked in the head too?’
  And that is a damned shame, when in NZ we are turning into a racial contest zero-sum game on every fucking topic.
  Identity politics is cancer.
  
  Basically Maori wards which bring these values into governance were forcing a potentially healthy body to take a cancer; insert & sew it in.
  Because the racist/grievance wedge is only going to be banged in further and grow with time.
  – Need some surgeons to take a look at the structures of central and local government.
  ACT looks the best with a scalpel to my eye.
  
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  October 7, 2022 11:08am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Some of the same people also stood as regular Ward candidates – so yes.
    
    You are mistaken — that is prohibited by section 57A of the Local Electoral Act 2001 (see https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2001/0035/latest/DLM94338.html).
    
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    October 7, 2022 11:28am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Sorry, they were going for MAYOR and on the Maori Ward roll.
      Just remember seeing the same person more than once in the booklet.
      Luckily there were some that said ‘diversity and climate change’ and others said ‘stop 3 waters’, so I could tell from the booklet at least where people claimed to stand on issues.
      
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      October 7, 2022 12:15pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks for the clarification, Fuzzy.
        
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        October 7, 2022 1:13pm
Paulus

Fuggle
– you should be worried, in Tauranga we only have one “Councillor” called Mahuta, and she has four non elected Commissioners, for the next three or so years.
The old elected Councillors were not pro Maori enough – now it all on.
And spend, spend, spend on all wonderful not wanteds like Maori museums etc.
Bulldozers are abound in a dead CBD.
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October 7, 2022 11:18am
- surfing
  
  I thought it was a shame Powell couldn’t get more done.
  
  It shows the problem of councils, mayor’s have such very little power. But, it is the most high profile electable position and people expect the mayor to have the power to implement the platform on which they were elected.
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:06pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Powell couldn’t get more done because he thought he was Colonel in charge and all the councilors should have saluted and jumped to attention whenever he decided.
    
    He had no political skills in being a Mayor. He needed to understand that Councillors made decisions not him.
    
    He didn’t provide inclusive team leadership.I found it interesting that his $54k election spend was given to a marketing company!!!
    
    Now you have Anne Tolley as Colonel in charge with her loot tenants
    
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    October 7, 2022 4:37pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Paulus, on 11 March 2022, the four-member Tauranga Commission’s term was extended to July 2024. According to the website, elections will take place at that time, although the exact date is not yet known.
  
  Assuming there is no further extension (which must surely be extremely unlikely), I would say that polling day will be no later than Saturday 12 October 2024, being two years hence.
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:48pm
Alan Wilkinson

More co-governance vandalism:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/300705837/dozens-of-huts-to-be-removed-from-te-urewera-as-thoe-plan-bespoke-replacements
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October 7, 2022 12:18pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Call me cynical, but I don’t think Tuhoe want ‘manuhiri’ at all. By their own admission (Tamiti Kruger) in the past, visitors and access are not a priority for them.
  “DoC has no objections”.
  DoC has no testicles either.
  DoC are put in a situation of walking on eggshells with petulant tribal authorities just looking for the chance to assert themselves.
  Interestingly a former DoC manager, from outside the system, says the only reason the huts are in disrepair is that the Tuhoe authority wont let DoC into the area to maintain them!
  This comment meshes more with the power play and games that I expect are behind this.
  And have to wonder what the replacement huts by Tuhoe will look like, assuming they eventuate. All just words at the moment.
  Co-governance needs to be resisted every step of the way, since rolling back fiefdoms based on race is something I don’t sense politicians generally have the stomach for.
  
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  October 7, 2022 12:41pm
  - Colville
    
    the biggest joke in that was the budget of $10Mil to replace 50 huts.
    So demolish and remove 50 huts, then design and replace 50 huts, all helicopter access only along with cultural impact and koha.
    $200K per hut. Are you taking the piss?????
    If its under $100Mil I will be shocked.
    
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    October 7, 2022 3:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I doubt that there will be 50 replacement huts.
      
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      October 7, 2022 4:06pm
      - Colville
        
        but they will still spend the $100Mil building 3 of them…
        
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        October 7, 2022 7:02pm
- rockape
  
  All those huts are a sign of colonialism.
  
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  October 7, 2022 2:08pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, but call them a ‘whare’, and its all on. //
    
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    October 7, 2022 5:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour Government funding Meth Labs and gangster families.

The New Zealand Herald is reporting that the facility’s founder, Matilda Kahotea, is the mother of three senior members of the Head Hunters gang.

Among the small number of current residents at the facility are prominent members of the Head Hunters, Hells Angels and Mongrel Mob, the Herald’s report says.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/drug-rehab-facilities-being-run-as-gang-pads-national-says.html
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October 7, 2022 12:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  All boys together. That’s nice.
  
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  October 7, 2022 8:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s been a busy week for the local gangsters…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130099040/whats-behind-the-recent-spate-of-shootings-across-gisborne
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October 7, 2022 12:53pm
Nickc2

I bet Cindy’s pissed off that she hasn’t granted herself the powers of granting amnesty yet.
Biden goes on a Mid Term vote-buying excursion.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/06/joe-biden-pardons-thousands-convicted-of-federal-marijuana-possession/
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October 7, 2022 1:17pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s not an amnesty.
  It’s a pardon of individual prisoners and I read today something similar is possible here.
  https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/constitutional-issues-and-human-rights/miscarriages-of-justice/royal-prerogative-of-mercy/
  
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  October 7, 2022 6:16pm
  - fernglas
    
    As, in the case of people convicted of simple cannabis possession, it should be.
    
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    October 7, 2022 6:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. Funny as.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=5752975538078627
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October 7, 2022 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis retweets…..

‘The Member-for-Tijuana looks happy’ 😛

https://twitter.com/soyboytom/status/1577745182329516033
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October 7, 2022 1:36pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  So, he is in Mexico on a taxpayer funded jaunt so he can see his boy friend!!!
  
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  October 7, 2022 2:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sure, if New Zealand is in Mexico, although I’m pretty sure it isn’t
    
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    October 7, 2022 3:02pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      He is on the Speakers Overseas taxpayer funded jaunt
      
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      October 7, 2022 3:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        I thought they’d just had one recently.
        
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        October 7, 2022 4:50pm
  - cmm
    
    No, he’s doing some valuable research for the NZ taxpayers.
    Monkeypox maybe?
    
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    October 7, 2022 4:40pm
Ghost

Thanks labour, you bunch of muppets

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/130103091/cost-of-living-payments-worth-126-million-paid-to-people-potentially-overseas

The Government has paid out $12.6 million in ‘Cost of Living’ payments to people who are potentially overseas.

That figure was expected to drop as some people confirmed they were in New Zealand and therefore eligible.
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October 7, 2022 1:50pm
Ghost

I didn’t actually realise you could stand for council if you had a criminal conviction

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130101345/christchurch-mayoral-candidate-defrauded-government-fund-of-35000

A Christchurch mayoral candidate falsely claimed tens of thousands of dollars from a Government fund under the pretence it would be to reimburse travel expenses.

As a leader of charitable organisation Te Mana in 2009, Nikora Nitro was given a $35,000 grant by the Government’s New Zealand France Friendship Fund to help reimburse 30 people for a trip to France.
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October 7, 2022 1:53pm
Ruawai

This story is incredible. This bail facility has only been running for 3 months and has had 52 people through it at a cost of $20,000 per person and is run by the mother of 3 Head Hunters. This mother says this is the first time they have been raided, but as it has only been operating for 3 months this is not a good track record. What a surprise to find it is a wrought and guns, drugs and money were found on the premises in a raid. Assume this is just a money making arm of the Head Hunters Gang. Wonder who in this clever Labour Government thought gangs running bail and rehab facilitates was a good idea.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/drug-rehab-facilities-being-run-as-gang-pads-national-says.html
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October 7, 2022 2:03pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Yes, now we need to know who was paying the $20,000 fee for these people. My guess it will be the tax payer with a cool $1,000,000.00 to the Head Hunters via Mum. This will be an interesting one to watch.
  
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  October 7, 2022 2:53pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Mother Head Hunter says it is not for profit, hmmm reckon I could house and feed 52 men for 3 months for a lot cheaper than $1,040,000.00
    
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    October 7, 2022 8:50pm
Ghost

Having a read of the unparliamentary language, there are some good ones

From 1949, His brains could revolve inside a peanut shell for a thousand years without touching the sides

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/the-savage-burns-banned-from-ever-being-slung-again-in-parliament.html
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October 7, 2022 2:09pm
- Ghost
  
  1966 seems to have been a good year
  
  Shut up yourself, you great ape
  Snotty nosed little boy
  You are a cheap little twerp
  Ridiculous mouse
  
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  October 7, 2022 2:22pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I recall “Ditch the Bitch” in the 1980’s
    
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    October 7, 2022 3:17pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130089364/supreme-court-quashes-peter-ellis-child-sex-abuse-convictions

Supreme Court quashes Peter Ellis’ child sex abuse convictions
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October 7, 2022 2:31pm
- Joely Doe
  
  About bloody time!
  As for the gutless politicians on both sides that refused to look into such an obvious miscarriage…
  
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  October 7, 2022 2:51pm
  - greybeard
    
    The parents should be charged for lying, manipulation of their kids and conspiracy.
    
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    October 7, 2022 3:59pm
- Taieri
  
  And what about the consequences for those responsible for Ellis’ conviction?
  
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  October 7, 2022 3:57pm
  - MCōs
    
    The jury?
    Presuming it was a jury trial.
    
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    October 7, 2022 6:23pm
    - Taieri
      
      Whoever collected and verified “testimonies”. And the “experts” verifying these “testimonies”.
      Ellis’ life was destroyed. Someone should be accountable for that.
      
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      October 7, 2022 6:41pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, it’s time to move on now. His family has said all he wanted was to clear his name. That has been achieved.
        
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        October 7, 2022 7:27pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/public-money-public-benefit-mahuta-family-contracts-what-taxpayers-got-in-return-for-237000/TWNES7RTWUKK6NIDIEDGABSGOU/

These contracts given to Mahuta’s family members were just a handout. They didn’t perform any useful work or produce any beneficial outcome . They’d have got better return by asking for the floors to be swept.

Thats the problem with this review, the return to the taxpayer is not being assessed. They’re just handing out money for nothing.
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October 7, 2022 2:50pm
mogg

https://youtu.be/hDwREssFlwQ
Sean Plunket on universities poisoning young minds.
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October 7, 2022 4:14pm
Ghost

But wait a minute, that jacinda lady said they’re approving visas quicker than they were coming in, doesn’t pass the sniff test jacinda

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130104658/visa-delay-warning-it-is-tantamount-to-telling-potential-tourists-to-go-to-australia-instead

“The Immigration NZ website is informing tourists that the delay in issuing visas is so bad that they should not book their flights to New Zealand until their visa is secured,” McClay said.
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October 7, 2022 4:47pm
Ghost

Hey police minister, why are there not enough police in the bay of plenty to take a victim impact statement of a child beaten up on camera?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/mother-of-brutally-attacked-13yo-beyond-revolted-after-police-said-it-d-take-weeks-to-get-victim-impact-statement.html
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October 7, 2022 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Where would you imprison this pedo….in a male or female facility??

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1578218813618798592

Asking for a friend.
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October 7, 2022 5:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Your lawnmowing man in your clothes?
  
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  October 7, 2022 7:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    NO silly. I told yu b4….our mower-mans from Chynna!
    
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    October 7, 2022 7:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stopcogovernance. follow to TV1 news
https://stopcogovernance.site/blog/f/an-example-of-how-the-msm-shuts-down-opposition-to-co-governance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kkumkgvCQM
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