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Tony Stuart

Excellent political management from Chris Luxon yesterday with the Barbara Kuriger conflict of interest issue, to the point where you have to go digging in the Herald and Stuff websites to find anything. Quickly forcing Kuriger to resign from her portfolios is a refreshing contrast to the Prime Minister’s dithering around Nanaia Mahuta.

Luxon may not be a career politician, but his quick and decisive action in both the Uffindell and Kuriger cases shows that he is a quick learner.
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December 15, 2021 8:57am
- Its only I
  
  I’m fairly harsh on the man I know, but credit where credit’s due.
  I hope he continues dipping into the massive keg of dry fresh powder and his political shots stay tightly grouped.
  
  In fact National, rightly or wrongly, will be held to a much higher standard than this modern version of Labour could even hope to reach this election.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:27am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And that’s the key for Luxon; he needs to pick his targets carefully. The scattergun, barking-at-every-passing-car approach didn’t work for Simon Bridges, and anyway, Luxon is happy to let his MP’s fire shots at their Labour opposities such as Nicola Willis in finance, Erica Stanford in Immigration, and Simeon Brown against Nanaia Mahuta and the PM. He doesn’t have to be involved in every story.
    
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    October 15, 2022 1:27pm
- Tricati
  
  Yes it was good management, but Luxon slipped up giving the portfolio to Muller. At a time when the Labour government is putting farming under siege, National need a hard nosed pragmatist to push back on Labour and to ask the real tough questions as to why we need 20% reduction in sheep & beef farming, and why NZ has to be first.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:30am
  - Ghost
    
    Muller has it temporary, Luxon is doing a reshuffle of cabinet soon
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:37am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Noted, but it’s still a poor move. Muller is gone at the next election, and is as wet as a West Coast winter. Kuriger supports farmers and the ag sector, Muller sees it as a filthy polluter and destroyer of the planet. Luxon could’ve just about given it to anyone except Muller.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:07am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Muller is (as far as I am aware) standing at the next election.
        
        Luxon is on record as stating the National’s position is to support the consensus of He Waka Eke Noa. I appreciate that Groundswell supporters are not part of that consensus.
        
        Of course Luxon could always do a Truss and backtrack on just about every commitment he has made, but he doesn’t seem to me to be that sort of politician. In any event the polls would indicate that his positioning (being a moderate) has put National in front.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:41am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @Lodden-
        This is parted what I posted yesterday evening:
        
        Mr Luxon claims on newstalkzb that Muller is a great champion for farmers. First I’ve heard of it.
        I thought he was an insider in the world of Agri business which is not the same as the world of the ordinary farmer.
        Typical effing National. Just weasels claiming to support primary production but not the people who do the work. Just the ones who sit in the offices.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Muller is standing again nowJudith is not leader
        
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        October 15, 2022 7:29pm
    - nathie
      
      That’s good to hear. How about National appoint an actual farmer to the role? For example Ian McKelvie (who was intending to stand down in 2023 but may not now need to), who has the knowledge and is hard working?
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:09am
      - Ghost
        
        You could ask that about nearly every portfolio a minister or opposition member has.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:14am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Todd is an actual farmer, in the sense of being involved in Kiwifruit, both as former CE of Zespri and an owner of an orchard and pack house. Which was also a family business. Obviously he is not diary or sheep and beef, but he is very well connected to the broader agricultural sector.
        I think it is a very good move and should signal that Todd is back into a future senior cabinet role.
        Todd is very capable. Yes, his tilt at leadership didn’t work out, but the fact that he got it at all shows that he is one of National’s more accomplished people.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:54am
      - nathie
        
        Thnx, I’m sure Muller is capable but feel a diary or sheep or beef farmer may be better suited to the role with the emphasis on livestock emissions and conversions to pine forest issues (things that the likes of Kiwifruit and similar growers don’t need to face)!
        
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        October 15, 2022 1:24pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I think you will find the Act farmer will be Min of agri
        
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        October 15, 2022 7:30pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Here’s what Muller has said about the Government’s carbon tax proposals this morning:
    
    But the Government response on pricing emissions is not the right outcome.
    – Farmers should be able to count the carbon sequestration on their farm
    – Farmers should be able to work together in larger groups of collectives – such co-operative behaviour is the essence of rural NZ
    – The price proposed is too high – in fact most of the land use change is already happening in response to the high ETS price which is driving investment into forestry
    – Regulations need to change to stop saying no to trialling technology that could reduce emissions on farm
    So what to do? The Governent has to take a breath. It has to genuinely listen to the very real anger and frustration. It needs to return to the negotiating table and find a solution farmers can support.
    
    Farmers are quite capable of finding a solid solution to this issue, if only Labour and the Greens would let them!
    
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    October 15, 2022 1:29pm
    - LB
      
      It needs to be mentioned and loudly that the commodities nz exports are subject to market forces, a decrease in milk products, beef and lamb, from one of the worlds biggest agricultural exporters will work in the same way a decrease in oil or gas supply affects prices. It will drive prices up globally as scarcity bites. Marginal or forested land that is subsequently cleared in developing or undeveloped countries(think rainforests) will have a greater rate of return if nz bows out of the market. So indirectly nz pushing such policies will increase the speed of global deforestation, the greens will love that dose of reality.
      
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      October 15, 2022 1:42pm
    - Nickc2
      
      What effin issue? An issue doesn’t exist. What does exist is a hokus pokus made-up excuse to rid NZ of its primary export industry and turn productive farmlands into cheap timber-producing wastelands that will probably never be harvested and definitely not produce as much money as farming.
      IMO, this is nothing more than Ardern’s revenge on those who refuse to bow down to her dictatorial edicts.
      We need CO2 to grow grass for bovines and trees. Perhaps Cindy’s not getting enough of it eh?
      
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      October 15, 2022 1:51pm
      - Grizz
        
        Hence a cycle, Net carbon emissions from cow living being zero.
        
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        October 15, 2022 2:13pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      QED. National is just as woke as labour but will cripple the economy more efficiently.
      
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      October 15, 2022 4:20pm
      - Jim
        
        Sadly, being evidentially sceptical of the man made climate crisis (net zero solution) receives similar claims of heresy to (the other excellent post today) identifying high incidence rates of family violence in certain demographics.
        Strange really as the title of ‘climate denier’ is totally absurd, as I can look outside everyday and yep it’s still there.
        
        We’re living in a regressive world when you can’t point to something and reasonably question the validity of someone else’s claims.
        
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        October 15, 2022 5:14pm
    - pdm
      
      `Farmers are quite capable of finding a solid solution to this issue, if only Labour and the Greens would let them!’
      
      If only National would come out stronger too in support of Farmers.
      
      Maybe reinforcing the piece in the Paris Climate Accord which says that – `no country should reduce food production in the name of climate change’.
      
      Or words to that effect.
      
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      October 15, 2022 6:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has not given the portfolio to Muller, it’s temporary, and he has stated so, he also said there will be a reshuffle soon, don’t forget Mulled was a well respected agri spokesman
    
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    October 15, 2022 7:27pm
- peterwn
  
  I wonder why it suddenly blew up. The investigation of alleged animal cruelty within her family started quite some time ago (before Chris was even identified as a possible Party leader) but she seemed to be at ‘arms length’ from it so it was not then seen as an issue. Perhaps a journo or a political enemy was about to raise it again. Perhaps Chris only just got wind of it and decided it was politically unacceptable. Anyway identifying where potential skeletons are buried and dealing with them (or at least having a plan in place) is a wise political move.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:49am
  - Ghost
    
    She had been writing letters on offical letterhead to mpi about her families case, an mpi person contacted national about it a few weeks ago
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If that is true, National needs to dump her.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:12am
      - Ghost
        
        Newshub has seen the email from the third party. We’ve chosen not to name them.
        
        The sender claims to be an MPI employee and alleges Kuriger has used her official letterhead to persistently request official information about her family’s case. They raise concerns about her using her influence.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/whistleblower-alerted-national-to-barbara-kuriger-matter-two-weeks-ago-raised-concern-about-mp-s-actions-towards-ministry.html
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:17am
      - peterwn
        
        Exactly. She should have known better than to do that. Actually, I just cannot understand it. If I was a Party member in her electorate I would be advocating for her political demise in 2023. It is better if this can be sorted at grass roots level.
        This is an ongoing ‘operational’ matter as far as MPI is concerned since it involves one specific case. and MP’s (including Ministers) need to keep out of it. She should know that – especially because she is a potential Minister. This is ‘National 201’ stuff for wannabes in Candidates College.
        Now I think departments and Ministers claim too many things are operational matter. If a ‘generic’ issue is identified (eg problems with teachers payroll causing some teachers to be wrongly paid) this then becomes a matter of genuine political concern). This one however is definitely an Operational matter.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:47am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Indeed Peterwn – I would not be surprised if between now and Christmas, Barbara Kuriger decides that the farm is calling her back. It’s a pity; at meetings I have attended where she is talking to farmers she is very well received, and speaks to them in a language they understand.
        
        If a long-term replacement is needed to lead agriculture, I suggest that Tim van de Molen, Waikato MP and NZ Young Farmer of the Year in 2013 could be in the running. He’s a very astute young man.
        
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        October 15, 2022 1:34pm
      - peterwn
        
        Tony Stuart (WordPress would not allow a reply to your comment) – Agreed. I have heard her a few times and she came across very well. So that lapse of judgment is surprising. Perhaps she is like Jacinda – speaks well but short on other political attributes.
        Perhaps considered Tim to take over Agriculture (he is the associate spokesperson) but perhaps Chris wants him to ‘major’ in Defence and wants to give Todd more responsibilities as part of his re-integration.
        
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        October 15, 2022 1:55pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I bet Robertson has told the offical to mention this while he is away
      
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      October 15, 2022 7:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is why I say Luxon is a good manager.
  Unfortunately he does not make the grade of Leader.
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:14am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Agreed. Middle management material. Can manage problems and optics, but doesn’t know which way to go.
    
    This is typical Nats. They have no principles or brains, but they are better at implementation than Labour, so all labour has to do is “reform” everything, and leave it to national it implement the bad policy properly.
    
    Remember “working for families” The day National called it an “entitlement” Labour won. Doesn’t matter who is on the Treasury benches at that point, the argument is already won.
    
    See also, COVID, Climate Change, ETS, Tomorrow’s Schools, Health Reforms, Gun confiscation, Renewable Energy, 3 Waters etc etc etc…..
    
    It’s so predictable, but Every. Single. Time?
    
    Even my most conspiracy-oriented mates are running out of ideas. The mean time from rabid conspiracy to established truth seems to be less than six months these days.
    
    Fortunately global energy prices are likely to lead to a tinfoil shortage!
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:48am
    - Prince
      
      Also, they have a leader who appears to have some integrity, and experience in the real world on how to set expectations of performance within a team.
      Maybe people are ready for just that.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:54am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        So, they will faithfully implement bad policy with integrity?
        
        Excellent thinking!
        
        Even if Ms Kruger was convinced MPI was wrong, using Letterhead as an opposition spokesperson, is an epic error of judgement. Exactly the same “don’t you know who I am?” behaviour that National is trying to put behind it – and pin on Labour nepotists!
        
        As I say above. Good at managing problems and optics, but that isn’t leadership.
        
        Todd Muller is already a proven failure. He was OK middle management in a protected regulated monopoly. He folded at the first real world pressure he ever came across.
        
        Mapp as he demonstrates above is from the same squishy school of needing to be loved by his political enemies.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:10am
      - leoj
        
        nigel 6888 nails it.
        
        The Nats are squishy.
        
        Non committal Luxon is chief squishy.
        
        Although not perfect, only ACT will help them develop a much-needed spine.
        
        If only Seymour and party would apologize for being co-opted into not speaking to the protesters and apologize for going against their freedom ideology re vaccine mandates, their polling numbers would be much, much higher.
        
        It’s not too late David………
        
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        October 15, 2022 12:26pm
    - peterwn
      
      Are you saying Unilever and Air NZ hired a ‘middle manager’ for top management positions? Perhaps like the parable he is saving the best wine until next year.
      
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      October 15, 2022 2:45pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Yes.
        
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        October 15, 2022 4:26pm
  - Prince
    
    Sure, terrible results in the polls.
    Oh, hang on…
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:50am
  - peterwn
    
    On that basis, Jacinda is a good leader but a poor manager.
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She is a liar. You can get whatever you want with lies
      
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      October 15, 2022 1:29pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        She is a leader in the style of the Judas sheep. We are all following her into the execution chamber, but she will be let out of the race and into her nice grass filled paddock. Chewing her cud and smiling inanely to herself while the rest of us are butchered.
        
        Not my leader, but I’m getting swept along for the ride against my wishes by the stampeding herd.
        
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        October 15, 2022 7:45pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  how does this compare to Carmel sepuloni treatment when her other was being prosecuted for benefit fraud?
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:29am
Warren

While Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is out there calling out those that dare to speak out against people with a dictatorial authority against free speech she cares little about the privacy of people in her own Country that she herself has enabled with the employment of a firm run by ex- Isreali spys and military Commander’s to scour social media platforms in New Zealand in a global debate over ‘surveillance for hire.’
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476659/government-s-use-of-surveillance-firm-cobwebs-technologies-embroiled-in-controversy
Is this the kind and caring Prime Minister a d Government New Zealander’s want in obviously spending millions to hire Cobweb Technologies since 2019-20 to monitor platforms including Facebook, Instagram, WhatApp and Twitter to detect threats and covertly collect peoples personal data, which can include political information” “religious preference ” banking, health and family relationships data.
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October 15, 2022 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  But it’s the same with the proposal to allow police to photograph “youths” who have not broken any law.
  
  This is fascism .
  
  Just because we’re in the midst of a crime wave ( created in at least part due the destructive consequences of her lockdowns) does not mean we should surrender our civil liberties to these tyrants so blithely .
  
  Remember , first they came for .
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    First they came for.
    When do we get to the bit about coming for the Tyrants, and the Socialists/Communists?
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:24am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Ah, the Romanian solution? That would be Hate Speech ™ comrade!
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:49am
  - Keith White
    
    Agree. Leave them alone until there is a reason to photograph them. Then arrest them, try them, incarcerate them, and jail them. 10 out of 10 crims do not break the law and harm non-prison-staff citizens, while locked up. No need to house them expensively either; put them on the Waikune Prison site (Central Plateau) and they can build their own accommodation. Or they can sleep in the snow. I care not; you really have to work very hard to kill and damage people enough to get sentenced to prison these days with the woke judiciary heeding Kelvin’s anguished calls to let his people go….
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:07pm
Benedict Yu

The destruction continues. A schools Shakespeare festival that has been funded for 30 years loses its funding. The board of Creative New Zealand has decided that Shakespeare has no place in a “decolonising” Aoteraroa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/14/new-zealand-pulls-funding-for-school-sheilah-winn-shakespeare-festival-citing-canon-of-imperialism

“New Zealand’s arts council has pulled funding for a Shakespeare festival that has been running in secondary schools for roughly three decades, after questioning its relevance to the country and because it focuses on “a canon of imperialism”.”

“Victoria University of Wellington’s senior lecturer in theatre Nicola Hyland (Te Atihaunui-a-Pāpārangi, Ngāti Hauiti)… said it would be a massive, awesome act of decolonisation if we discovered our own stories first and discovered Shakespeare afterwards”.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/13/thou-art-boring-is-shakespeare-relevant-to-nz-in-2022/
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October 15, 2022 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Creative NZ needs root & branch reform.
  
  Or just close the whole place down & use the saving to repay debt or reduce tax rates.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Funded by taxes and lottery grants .
    
    Better spent elsewhere.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Root and Branch reform.
    Nice way of saying cleaning out the ‘deadwood’ from the Public Sector.
    I will remember that, thanks.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:27am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perhaps Victoria University of Wellington’s senior lecturer in theatre Nicola Hyland (Te Atihaunui-a-Pāpārangi, Ngāti Hauiti) should decolonize herself, and depart that colonial institution that is VUW.
  
  Hypocrite.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:16am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Nicola Hyland goes on about her Maori Tribal affiliations but doesn’t mention the 50%+ I would hazard of her non Maori affiliations.
  
  Bet a damn site more plays by WS are performed than by any other Playwright in the world. Once again let’s get rid of Western Civilisation and replace it with dross.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even the 1/8th Moari never mention the other 7/8ths
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:29am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Nah, Nah, hang on – don’t you know that ‘Hyland’ is a Maori name? Its from the time when Maori travelled to Europe 2,000 years ago, and taught the indigenous Britons how to speak English. //
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:46am
      - greybeard
        
        Via Antarctica, if I remember correctly.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Americas Cup racing boats are taken from Waka original designs – even foils
        
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        October 15, 2022 1:31pm
    - 7kiwi11
      
      Have you noticed that the smaller the fraction the greater the size the lump of greenstone around their neck is?
      
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      October 15, 2022 12:09pm
    - Paulus
      
      Winston the other day said that to be on the Maori role the Maori proportion ratio is 1/412
      
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      October 15, 2022 1:36pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @by-
  This is just reverse snobbery.
  No freedom of choice for these students then.
  The socialist hierarchy will decide what plays you can read and perform.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:31am
  - G152
    
    No.
    This is racism at its most extreme.
    Shakespeare was so good that Maori had to present a Maori language version at the Globe to pretend relevance.
    Went down like a lead balloon.
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:38am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      They made a film of The Merchant of Venice in Maori and it was filmed at Massey University in Albany. I believe it was quite good.
      
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      October 15, 2022 9:13am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Did it have English sub titles so most of NZ could understand what they were saying?
        
        And do you condone cultural appropriation of a cultural treasure of my people namely Shakespearean literature?
        
        If so why, when Maori Nationalists continually claim nothing good came from colonisation?
        
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        October 15, 2022 9:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, it had English sub-titles.
        
        https://globalshakespeares.mit.edu/maori-merchant-of-venice-selwyn-don-2002/#video=maori-merchant-court-trial-scene-part-2-of-3
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:15am
      - nathie
        
        @MW – they’ve done a great job, one can see their passion and professionalism in their acting.
        
        Perhaps established Directors like Don Selwyn needs to call these modern day academics and these “anti-colonialism trends” out!
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Don Selwyn died 15 years ago.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:44am
      - kowtow
        
        If a Maori played the Merchant or the Judge then that’s “cultural appropriation” as the former must ( according to the Neo Marxists ) be played by a Jew and the latter by an Italian .
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:53am
      - nathie
        
        Thnx Maggy, I do wonder then what Don Selwyn would think nowadays (if he were still alive) … presumably not very impressed that a bunch of radical academics (working for and getting handsomely paid by a “coloniser University”) destroying hundreds of years of culture?
        
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        October 15, 2022 1:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    From their website , this is the direction they propose to go ;
    
    “It’s a critical time in Aotearoa where we are coming to understand our unique identity. We’ve got some incredible diversity in our population, and we’re underpinned by the energy that comes out of this land, which inspires our arts practices. This mahi has great scope for continuing to embrace Te Ao Māori values, recognising the important role of Māori artists and mana whenua, and working together to tell these stories”.
    
    This is just more of that ethno nationalism we were warned of and will only result in division and destruction.
    
    The taxpayer should not be forced to fund this neo Marxism .
    
    Every dollar spent on these cretins is a dollar wasted .
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:55am
    - pdm
      
      Kowtow I think we can let them do what they want in Mythical Aotearoa – I do not care.
      
      But we must do everything we can to stop it happening in New Zealand.
      
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      October 15, 2022 9:16am
      - Its only I
        
        The only historical reference to “Aotearoa” is a loose reference to it meaning the north island…..the mainland is fine.
        Nice sunny spring day, the trout are playful in the clear rivers, the trees are full of blossom, the skylarks are singing a chorus under the bellbirds on lead vocals…………..the sheep are doing sheep things, farting and feeding their farting lambs, the cows are doing cow things, shitting and pissing nitrates and the milk flows, oh how it flows…aaaahhh, Southland a happy, healthy, efficient and productive place to be.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:03am
      - Nickc2
        
        Make the most of it! It’ll soon be Mynah Birds, Ferrets, Pine Trees, Pine Needles, and Pine Cones when Cindy has her way.
        In the not-too-distant future, our kids kids will be woken up to the sounds of Chain Saws, not Birds singing.
        
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        October 15, 2022 10:12am
    - JeffW
      
      Not just wasted; it’s extremely harmful
      
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      October 15, 2022 1:49pm
- Swifty
  
  I would defund Creative NZ in a heartbeat.
  
  It’s just one of many parasitic organisations the staff of which gorge themselves on the incomes of NZ families while making the now thread-worn case that they are indispensable to NZ society and culture.
  
  What rot.
  
  It’s has long become a fully taxpayer funded playground for lefties to live like kings and queens dispensing money and favours to their favourites.
  
  Get rid of it.
  
  Good art will find a paying audience. Bad art won’t.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:37am
  - oldfella
    
    Swifty. How long before the name is changed to Creative Aotearoa? Bef0re or after the NZ Herald becomes the Aotearoa Herald? And we fly Air Aotearoa to watch the Aotearoa All Blacks?
    So much to do to finally dismantle colonialism, and so little time… //
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Then the rest of the World will understand why we are so stupid.
      Devolution.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:52am
    - Rumblestrip
      
      “Creative” is an English word so it is right out oldfella.
      
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      October 15, 2022 7:25pm
- kowtow
  
  I see it’s a Crown entity .
  
  I assume it’s funded by taxpayers , the majority of whom will be colonisers .
  
  The next govt has the perfect excuse , if needed , to balance our deeply indebted books .
  
  “The arts” , such a colonialist , bourgeois notion .
  
  Defund the arts .
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:41am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …The next govt has the perfect excuse , if needed , to balance our deeply indebted books ….. It will however lack the intestinal fortitude.
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:49am
  - Swifty
    
    Scrap Creative NZ and announce each and every dollar saved annually will go directly to Pharmac and for evermore – and then let the left try to make the case that arts groups are more worthy than cancer drugs for kids.
    
    I’d love to see them try.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And imagine how you could spread $999,999 on funding medical research or training.
      
      ($999,999 – MBIE grant for “Better models of human emotions for interactive media”)
      
      https://people.wgtn.ac.nz/nicola.hyland/grants
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:01am
- Simon
  
  They want a grey bland world where only the narrative is spoken. The borg collective is the polar opposite of genuine diversity
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  I see two eco fascists in Britain have attacked Van Gogh’s Sunflowers .
  
  Here we have this attack on Shakespeare it is in the same ilk . Cancellation , defacement or debasing. No freedom .
  
  All this activism , be it in the name of the planet or race , is the modern equivalent of authoritarian book burning , metaphorically . It is still extremist .
  
  And we know where that leads.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:13am
  - Sacha
    
    The painting was protected by non-reflective glass which was cleaned , and the painting was back in place, undamaged, within a few hours.
    And all they got for their efforts were sore hands from gluing them to the wall .
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:30am
    - kowtow
      
      Still attacked though .
      
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      October 15, 2022 9:58am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  As part of this massive act of decolonisation, I expect we will also repudiate written language, of and of course, Universities, given that they are a lifeblood of that failed eurocentric colonial past, and have been for centuries.
  
  I also volunteer Ms Hyland to repudiate electricity, roads, houses and western medicine. I am sure she will do very well as a Tohunga.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:27am
- Cassandra
  
  Defund Creative NZ. Have you ever heard such woke nonsense? We speak English; Shakespeare is the greatest English language playwright. NZ children should study his works. And those of NZ playwrights.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:34am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Shakespeare is great in parts, tedious in others (I’ve read em all), but it’s past value as a common cultural core and reference, a mark of being “well educated” is gone, just as it is for most 19th and 20th century academically lauded literature – it’s lost relevance in the context of 21st century social mores, the lessons and observations have lost relevance, and western culture is so overwhelmed with high quality works and almost universally high levels of literacy (half of population are tertiary educated) that clinging onto these old elitist Shibboleths is pointless.
    
    On the other hand modern academic study of literature and it’s delusional woke hobby-horses are all complete and utter wank too.
    
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    October 15, 2022 1:41pm
- I remember when
  
  BY:
  And here was me thinking Shakespeare was taught because it was considered a great example of the use of the english language.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Correct. I studied Shakespeare at Post Graduate level. It saddens me to see this happening in New Zealand. Shakespeare is not easy. It is not meant to be easy. Neither is mathematics, physics, chemistry and statistics. However excelling in senior high school in English and being at least competent in two of those other disciplines, will provide the foundation for critical thinking, high incomes, and participation in modern society. For good measure, add in a second language and you are set up for success.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:44am
- Thought Criminal
  
  The woke have cancelled Shakespeare. Who is surprised?
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:43am
  - pdm
    
    Enjoyed Shakespeare at High School but have largely slipped away from it over the last 60 odd years – except from time to time I say to mrspdm
    
    `Shall I compare thee to a summers day
    thou art more lovely and more temperate.’
    
    or to my grandchildren
    
    ` A rose by any other name
    will still be a rose
    and will smell the same.’
    
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    October 15, 2022 6:36pm
- kowtow
  
  And some people say there’s no such thing as the culture wars .
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:56am
  - BeaB
    
    Rugby and cricket next.
    
    And then parliament?
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:05am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Parliament is the ultimate symbol of colonisation. Who would bet on it remaining in its current form for 20 years?
      
      It is likely that National will win in 2024. They will devote 6 years to stalling the decay and more efficiently administering the government. Then people will get bored. Another communist saviour will emerge and there will be a nightmare Labour /Green /Maori Party government that will destroy the lot.
      
      The ONLY way to prevent the nightmare accelerating in 2028 or at best in 2032 is for the next government to upend the whole show that we currently have on display. The first two years needs to be reform at break neck speed. I have commented repeatedly on some of the reforms required. They are not difficult to choose. Some are very simple. State funded media could be fixed in 6 months. Cogovernance could be ended for good in 6 months. Fixing education would take 5 years.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:53am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Ben,
        
        As usual you are spot on the mark. No one including a Seymour-led ACT would have the desire or the ability to enact the last paragraph. We lack a Trump-like figurehead for that type of movement and lets be honest that will form part of the next right electoral cycle in 20 years.
        
        Unless of course we enter a sustained and aggressive worldwide recession. Then all bets are off.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:14am
    - kowtow
      
      By their logic , yes .
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:54am
    - Prince
      
      Move to Paremata apparently.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cricket.
      Hit the poro with a taiaha.
      Just not right is it?
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:58am
- wreck1080
  
  Why do we allow Maori to cancel our culture?
  
  Frankly, maori were picking berries out of bushes and living in grass huts. The extent of their culture was 10,000 years behind the rest of the world.
  
  While europe had cathedrals and wonderful musical instruments and architecture … maoris were busy slaughtering one another with stones and eating the enemies brains to absorb their spirits.
  
  Tell me whose culture should be cancelled?
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:58am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Shakespeare wrote outstanding works that have stood the test of time. Maori wrote nothing as they didn’t have a written language and have made up shit as they go ever since.
  
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  October 15, 2022 11:29am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Surprisingly the fwits at thestrandard are discussing this as well.
  
  Yes another board that the next government should expunge asap upon taking the treasury benches.
  
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  October 15, 2022 12:04pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I guess they think it is a good idea?
    
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    October 15, 2022 12:32pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  Holy shit. The hateful idiocy is so extreme I am almost speechless.
  
  Shakespeare’s work is chock-full of universal themes. The fact Shakespeare was not Maori does not mean he is irrelevant to Maori. On the contrary, studying a little Shakespeare enriches ALL students, be they Scottish, Maori, Somali or Chinese.
  
  Take just one play, Othello. Themes include racism (including inter-racial marriage, in the 1600s!), xenophobia, misogyny, jealousy, loneliness, ambition, treachery and justice. These are amazingly progressive topics for a play written 400 years ago.
  
  What else can I say…
  
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  October 15, 2022 7:23pm
artemisia

A useful summary in Stuff today from Rob Stock – Here are the economic policies National says it will cull. It’s a long list already, and as Mr Stock noted likely to get longer with a National/ACT coalition.

Suspect National might not be too bothered to be ‘forced’ to step to the right, MMP you know.

Nicola Willis laid out National’s guiding economic principles and can / should be regularly held to account against them if in government. Both policy announcements and actual outcomes.

“Government must provide careful economic management that gets the basics right: taking care
not to add unnecessary costs, reducing regulatory and policy barriers that choke growth and innovation, ensuring Government spending is
disciplined and delivers results, squarely focusing the Reserve Bank on price stability, and ensuring we don’t over-tax New Zealanders.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130076736/here-are-the-economic-policies-national-says-it-will-cull
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October 15, 2022 8:09am
- Simon
  
  It’s not good enough. National/ Act must dismantle govt. How ever good they might be in management in time Labo Greens take over the same systems and wreck havoc.
  
  Willis is either an out of touch clown or it’s deliberate. Dismantle / shrink govt stop the harm. Better management is fake and dishonest
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:50am
  - Prince
    
    Sure. Next election our policy is to dismantle and smash bureaucracy completely. Vote for us. Actually I’m sure there is a party already on that platform – just doesn’t get above 1% to feature in any polls.
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just dismantle Govt.
    Dismantle the whole Public Sector, that is where the problems are, and they will stay problems until extinguished
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:01am
- Its only I
  
  Labours/$tuffs trained trolls hit the comments section under that story as soon as it was uploaded.
  
  Easy to spot a troll working their shift in the comments sections:
  You post a comment, may get past the mods maybe not but even you experiment by posting nothing but fawning posts for the PM and their “remarkable achievements you won’t be able to get a reply to stick on every comment.
  But!
  check out those that do…
  often the same handles will hit the stories opening hours then another wave will follow up later but the language is the same using the same hand picked legit sounding facts or hovering around Labours topic of the day.
  They even gave a heads up to the “Jami-Lee Ross mega scandal” before it busted out over the news.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/the-jami-lee-ross-and-expenses-leak-mega-scandal-a-timeline.html
  
  I’m not obsessed just seeing a glaringly obvious pattern to every story, on stuff, with the comments sections open.
  Then you see the pattern of story placement on the site, its time in the sun or if its missing altogether and who that seems to favour.
  
  I noticed a massive flood of pro JA comments start around the media’s build up of the “great” Adern in all the Hag’n’Envy magazines before she became Labour mascot.
  At around the same time Labour were caught housing those young students in substandard housing and made to send them home. The task they were there for was managing social media with the reward of meeting the architect of modern Labours filthy politics, Helen Clark.
  
  I can’t imagine Labour would have completely shut down its active troll farm.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The comments are plain seething with radical trolls LOL.
    Some are really quite mad. Negative raves about John Key. Do they still think the Key is PM?
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:09am
AC

Attended a talk with David Seymour and the head of Pharmac yesterday.

A few people attending had some serious medical issues and were advocating for their causes.

A couple of take out points

1. Every dollar the government wastes could be diverted to making a real difference to peoples lives. For example the $300M wasted on the TVNZ Radio NZ merger would be life changing for some people.

2. Pharmac has a fixed budget and it has been determined that we need to have greater equality which in this context means fewer medications for some types of people.
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October 15, 2022 8:13am
- Cassandra
  
  I’ve just started on keytruda – $100,000. Selfishly, I’d like that drug funded, but I understand the problem – as Seymour says “every dollar spent on woke, such as the merger (and funding the Mahuta family) is a dollar that can’t be spent on treating sick people”. Not many people can find $100,000. They die. Thanks Jacinda.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:28am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I hope it goes well for you
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:48am
  - Aunty
    
    Good luck.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:49am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Good luck with that C
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:09am
  - Swifty
    
    My very best wishes Cassandra.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All sickness treatments of that type should be funded.
    Enjoyment of life is paramount.
    Best wishes Cassandra.
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:19am
Nickc2

Maori Elites are NZ’s own brand of internal terrorism where they hold Politicians and the MSM to ransom for their ever-increasing anti-democratic demands.
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October 15, 2022 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  I’ll differ .
  
  The Politicians and MSM are using the Maori Elites to wage revolution on New Zealand civil and democratic society .
  
  The Maori Elites are happy to go along as they benefit from being Useful Idiots .
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:58am
Paulus

Wow, what a comment – when did Maori have a written language or spoken language that could stand the test of time a such as Shakespeare and others have done ?
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October 15, 2022 8:24am
Souvlaki

Another lucid article from Michael Bassett:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jacinda-full-steam-into-the-electoral-hurricane
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October 15, 2022 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is getting hard to believe that Michael Bassett was once a Cabinet Minister in a Labour Government.
  
  Watching Jacinda Ardern respond to the local body election results has been scary. Teeth flashing, hands waving, exhortations to “be kind”, she seems to be full-steam ahead into next year’s electoral hurricane.
  
  I expect Ardern and her feeble mates are glad that Bassett won’t be writing the definitive history of their reign of ineptitude.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:37am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    We live in a world of ‘kind’ metrics now
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:40am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Labour was, at one point in time, further to the right than ACT is today. Thank the Overton window and lazy self-interest by voters for that.
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:57am
    - kevn
      
      @kk… Some of us might even have voted for them many years ago.
      
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      October 15, 2022 9:01am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes. I did. Lange/Douglas.
        
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        October 15, 2022 11:47am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    That was when Labour had intelligent people in Cabinet. Not a bunch of sturent activists.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:11am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Let’s not forget that the Lange/Palmer/Moore Labour government wasn’t really a Labour government…
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:08am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “….and the editor would be wise to adjust his plans accordingly. ”
  
  The editors needed to adjust their plans before they accepted money that they knew had to be paid back if non compliant – they put the noose around their own necks. I’ve got no sympathy for the stupid.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Everyone she endorses misses out?
  Looks good for 2023 Election then. Endorse all of your MPs Jaspinda.
  Delicious.
  
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  October 15, 2022 11:29am
Frank the tank

Perhaps they can replace the play with a play on Maui fishing the North Island out of the sea?
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October 15, 2022 8:26am
- Yvette
  
  Frank, would have Maui fishing the North Island (original “Aotearoa’) out of the ocean, have swamped the South Island, ‘Te Waka a Maui’ from one end to the other, and the same tsunami crash across the Blue Mountains of Te Pāpaka-a-Māui to lap at the foot of Uluru, and in the other direction, sweep Hawaiiki off the face of the Pacific?
  Just wondering.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Please, not Waikiki. We love it.
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:31am
  - JJ56
    
    I think you will find that the fishing the NI out of the sea is a simple legend based on what is seen as you get closer to landfall, linked to fishing having been the means of survival.
    
    All cultures do a bit of that, e.g. legends even abound about Shakespeare.
    
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    October 15, 2022 1:20pm
    - Yvette
      
      “Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.” ― William Shakespeare, King Lear
      But JJ50, don’t tell this to Ardern’s Government, who seem to be taking so much of Te Ao o Maori so seriously.
      
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      October 15, 2022 2:19pm
  - Its only I
    
    Before colonialism science was different.
    yoinking the North Island, and that funny little bit called wellington, out of the sea was possible back then.
    No gravity
    No volume
    No distance
    Nothing made round or axle looking
    No minerals altered to make metal
    Not even pottery!
    Did they sail over, what happened to sails on Waka?
    
    Plus anyone could be an expert if you were far enough away from anyone that knew you.
    
    Im thinking it could be important to only have small parts of the country embedded in indigenous science at any one time because no gravity will mean that anyone in that area could float the fuck away! A useful outcome but probably going to complicate life insurance….I hope someone puts some serious thought in…money for…..anyone got the Labour hotline for shyt ideas?
    
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    October 15, 2022 4:09pm
Paulus

It is suggested that the Kuriger expose as a (Labour) member of the Ministry of Agriculture staff has actually has upset what has been going on for some weeks if not months.
The so called paid media were spending considerable time and money on setting up a National MP ie Kuriger, about the fact that her family had an action against the Department on a matter that was settled before the courts some years ago.
The facts are not in dispute and have been public knowledge for a long time.
Luxon was right to clip it in the bud now despite the media complaining that they know that his office was advised some days ago.
The Labour paid media are getting desperate as the opinion polls are not doing what the media are paid to do.
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October 15, 2022 8:39am
- Chris2
  
  Well done Christopher Luxon for removing the agriculture spokemanship from Barbara Kruiger because of a personal conflict of interest.
  
  Of course this standard does not apply to Labour MP’s.
  
  Readers will recall when in Opposition, Carmel Sepuloni used her position as Labour’s Social Welfare spokeswoman to question MSD about its prosecution policies of beneficaries at the very time her own Mother was being charged and subsequently convicted of benefit fraud.
  
  No stand-down of Sepuloni by Labour for the questionable abuse of her position as an MP; in fact Labour appointed her the Minister of MSD at the first opportunity.
  
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  October 15, 2022 8:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s what Dictators and Tyrants do eh? It’s called ”Stand Over Tactics’ but in the case of Sepuloni, it’s also known as ‘Heavying or Monstering’.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:20am
- MCōs
  
  “The facts are not in dispute and have been public knowledge for a long time.
  Luxon was right to clip it in the bud now”
  
  Isn’t that a contradiction?
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:27am
  - Sacha
    
    Perhaps it was thought that the matter had been settled (one way or another) but the Labour media started grubbing around, National got wind of it, and dealt with it promptly.
    Pre-emptive action.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:37am
    - Nickc2
      
      Exactly, never give a sucker an even break.
      
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      October 15, 2022 9:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The word clip is a contradiction. You can clip something on, or you can clip something off
    
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    October 15, 2022 7:54pm
Cassandra

Read Stephen Franks’ comments re the Supreme Court’s incorporation of Maori customs into NZ common law – the SC dismissed common law as a “colonial relic” – its a masterful annihilation of a woke SC majority of two women and (surprise) a Maori. The two male Supremes (both notable lawyers) disagreed.
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October 15, 2022 9:11am
- kowtow
  
  Link please.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130158126/peter-ellis-case-forced-court-to-confront-how-tikanga-converges-with-common-law
    
    Prominent New Zealand lawyer and former politician Stephen Franks says he is appalled by the decision.
    
    The decision should embarrass all New Zealand lawyers, “as a display of radical chic masquerading as legal reasoning”.
    
    “Our top court can use the jargon, but if it understands rule of law principles it has decided they are just too yesterday – indeed ‘colonial’.”
    :
    
    Adopting the beliefs of a few self-appointed experts was profoundly anti-democratic, Franks said.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Thank you .
      
      Yet another extremely worrying development on our road to third world status .
      
      His Worshipful Law Lord Kowtow would have delivered the following finding :
      
      There’s no place in the law of a modern society for mumbo jumbo.
      
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      October 15, 2022 2:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“What is worth more, art or life?”

Vincent Van Gogh’s sunflowers are doused in tomato soup by a couple of “activists”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/14/just-stop-oil-activists-throw-soup-at-van-goghs-sunflowers
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October 15, 2022 9:11am
- Ghost
  
  I just love these new protestors that film everything they do, makes it so much easier for the police and courts
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:19am
  - MCōs
    
    There’s no point in running an effective protest if you’re not prepared to stick your neck out.
    Those dozen or so people who blocked/disrupted traffic for a short time around Auckland & Wellington were more effective than the Falun Gong people who stood outside the Chinese Consulate in their scores for years on Great South Rd.
    A guy stood on the footpath at the top end of Lambton Quay each lunchtime for decades flourishing a bible and rabbiting on about Jesus. I never saw anyone pay a blind bit of notice to what he was saying. Bishop Brian never made the mistake of being anonymous even if it means hitching his wagon to any populist outrage he can exploit.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:56am
    - I remember when
      
      Mcos:
      And very practicable.
      Of the six arrested at the tunnel protest none were from Wellington.
      From Auckland, Dunedin, Christchurch, very rural Manawatu.
      Still you have to produce some CO2 to reduce CO2!
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:04am
    - All_on_Red
      
      And yet you still remember those protests from years ago.
      Sounds effective to me.
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:53am
      - MCōs
        
        Only because I happened to spot them on the side of the road.
        I’ve never seen Bishop Brian or those people obstructing the traffic, few people have, but they’re in the papers and on the TV news, which Falun Gong never is.
        
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        October 15, 2022 2:39pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  A couple of child adults with zero life experience used by a protest organisation to get media coverage.
  
  Useful Idiots. The Soviets knew what they were about when using that term.
  
  These two should be give a nice 2 month jail term in a room without heating. After all a lot/all of the electricity in the UK comes from infrastructure that was built using hydrocarbon power equipment…. Possibly is powered by filthy hydrocarbons as well.
  
  Lets Save the World starting with their cell….
  
  Young, uneducated, propaganda puppets
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  They’ve been blocking roads and destroying food in supermarkets .
  
  All they’ll do is alienate even more people.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:35am
I remember when

Kauae moko seem to be common amongst those with the lightest suntan.
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October 15, 2022 9:17am
Aunty

After witnessing the fiasco in Britain overnight, and the general shambles that is the UK, if anybody now still clings to the preposterous notion that London is a great power, then you need to seriously smell the coffee and think again. It isn’t and it hasn’t been for a very long time. So why would you look to it for any kind of leadership on frankly anything?

There are troubling implications in this for New Zealand, not least of which is the foolishness of so many New Zealanders in allowing themselves to be influenced by the UK’s brand of neo-socialism and woke while living in the UK and then bringing that nonsense back home with them.

It is more of a feature of the Labour Party than National, but it is dangerous and poses a real threat to the future economic and social prosperity of our country just as it is doing in the UK.

These forces, which have already wrecked much of the legacy of the UK, will do the same here if New Zealanders let it. And so far, I seen bugger all effort out here by people on the right to stop it or at least fight back against it. The Right (The Conservatives) in the UK is a mess. It is a confused, bumbling, discordant shambles with little coherent sense of core conservative values, traditions, and how to respond to the barbarians who are pilling over the gate.

Is National in New Zealand any better? Look at the confused, bumbling, discordant shambles that many of National’s MPs have been in to date. Does even one of them have a sense of what it means to be a New Zealander and what it is about New Zealand that needs to be defended?
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October 15, 2022 9:22am
- Sacha
  
  Dear Aunty, you ARE cross this morning!
  We New Zealanders owe a lot to our British cultural heritage, European and Maori alike.
  But as far as politics is concerned, I think you would be better comparing the current New Zealand and British governments which both seem to be floundering in shallow cess pools of their own making (aka being ‘in the poo’ policies wise) .
  And how about putting some of the blame on the voters who elected them, eh?
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Poms voted for Boris, not Truss.
    
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    October 15, 2022 9:59am
    - MCōs
      
      They also voted for Brexit.
      
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      October 15, 2022 10:09am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Boris betrayed those who voted for him.
      He became a stooge of the Establishment and his wife’s Green Zealotry
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:51am
  - MCōs
    
    When things are turning to custard – blame the voters.
    
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    October 15, 2022 10:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Keynesians aren’t giving up without a fight.
  Tax cuts and Fracking is what they should actually do.
  The latter as quickly as they can- it should be treated as a National Emergency.
  
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  October 15, 2022 9:54am
- Observer of Life
  
  Dear Aunty
  Just wondering what your thoughts are on the revelation from a Pfizer director that their potion was never tested for effectiveness, the govt knew this in Sept 2021, and yet still went with Covid passports. Are you still reflecting on your pro-jab/negative posts on the unvaccinated comments as I type? Just asking for an unjabbed friend…
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:23am
  - Aunty
    
    Define ‘effectiveness’ in the context of a vaccine clinical trial. Just asking for a vaccinated friend.
    
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    October 15, 2022 2:21pm
    - Hebe123
      
      When exposed to covid 19, vaccinated people don’t catch covid 19. That would be the simplest definition.
      
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      October 15, 2022 3:39pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Aunty, It’s totally understandable that your vaccinated friend is questioning the “effectiveness” of the jabs from a clinical trial perspective. Most would expect immunity and inability to transmit, as with existing vaccines. That the Covid jabs do neither and may even be harmful, must be hugely disappointing to those who believed they were doing the right thing. I hope your friend is ok.
      
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      October 15, 2022 4:20pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Ditto what Hebe1 says, in fact as well as my neighbour the GP is now saying. A vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting the virus. It’s pretty clear from his point of view (a few months ago) that the Pfizer “vaccine” was a waste of time. And now their Director confirms it. Not much else to say really.
      
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      October 15, 2022 8:13pm
Maggie Pie

‘A-River-of-Filth-Runs-Through-It’ (1992)

What did I tell youse last week….the white-anting has begun 🙁

https://twitter.com/juliefairey/status/1580791935836438530
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October 15, 2022 10:18am
- H. Upmann
  
  …….and the white-anting will be in full daily force for the next three years.
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:26am
- graham
  
  Someone should REALLY explain to her how democracy works.
  
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  October 15, 2022 3:19pm
I remember when

“Shocking footage shows youth lying on ground with armed cop aiming gun at him after firing a BB gun: Newshub.
Witness said she was shocked the alleged offender lying on the ground was grinning the whole time.

Is the Newshub heading minimising the type of weapon the offender was using.
The term ‘BB gun’ suggests a rather low powered air rifle, but was this the case.
There is data that suggests one person dies each year in the UK from an air powered weapon injury in the UK, with an average of four in the US.
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October 15, 2022 10:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was just saying an undercover cop was shot and killed with an air-rifle in Mangere about 12 years ago.
  
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  October 15, 2022 10:38am
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s an article about the death of the undercover policeman.
    He was shot by a high powered airgun. These require a license and are different from BB guns which don’t and are low powered.
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4074883/Sgt-Don-Wilkinsons-killers-jailed
    When I was a kid in Timaru the kid over the road shot me in the arm with his slug gun. Another type of lower powered air gun.
    It took off a bit of skin.
    Years later we both worked in the same building in Wellington, but the subject wasn’t brought up.
    
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    October 15, 2022 11:26am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Don Wilkinson lead a very interesting life. We sure could do with a squad of his type now.
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Slug guns. When I was a kid my mate pissed me off so I shot him in the leg with my .177, then spent 10 minutes helping him to dig the slug out.
      We are still friends after 60+ years LOL.
      
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      October 15, 2022 11:46am
- Colville
  
  A “BB gun” fires a small sphere of copper plated steel. Steel is light compared to lead so lacks impact power. They are for 8yr old playing.
  
  But I wouldnt trust the reporter to know which is which.
  
  A high powered air rifle like the cop got shot with can easily go thru a corrugated fence and you can use teflon coated steel tipped lead slugs. Very dangerous ammo. I use mine for killing pukekoes. The better brands are comparable to a .22 lr in power.
  
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  October 15, 2022 3:54pm
Lee C

So they protested ‘Sunflowers’ with tomato soup.

Wasn’t the tomato illegally appropriated from (what is now) ‘Latin America’ by the Elizabethans?

If they really wantedto make a point, prhaps they should have thrown sweetcorn or potatoes at Van Gogh’s work.

Oh, wait…
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October 15, 2022 10:48am
Gravelroad

At least with the big announcement from James Shaw about NZ cutting farm emissions to save the world, people now have something clear to think about and consider the merits of.
Whether you disapprove of farming, primary production and the people who “destroy and pollute the land” these are the choices-
Do we want the best, fertile land in NZ to be used to produce food and environmentally friendly fibre/leather for domestic and export markets?
Or do we want the best fertile land in NZ covered with flimsy houses and mono cultural pine trees?
Even the most unaware people must be able to understand this, surely?
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October 15, 2022 11:00am
Ghost

I’ve been thinking lately that we could be going to an election very early

Winston Peters, speaking at NZ First conference, predicts ‘snap election’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130134076/winston-peters-speaking-at-nz-first-conference-predicts-snap-election

Winston’s full speech attacking labour

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/winston-peters-lashes-out-at-labour-as-one-of-worst-govts-predicts-snap-election-in-charged-nz-first-conference-speech.html
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October 15, 2022 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here’s hoping he is right
  
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  October 15, 2022 11:48am
- Paulus
  
  Whenever the election Peters will not get 5% of the votes.
  We may be senile but we will remember what Peters did last time.
  
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  October 15, 2022 1:46pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    His arrogant answer to a voter about creating this mess was ask Nats, they went to the polls saying cut the middle man out, what a gutless weak heap of shit he is, meanwhile he was pressing unfounded charges against Nat ministers
    
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    October 15, 2022 8:02pm
wreck1080

Why are kiwi’s such utter cowards?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/bashed-tauranga-shopping-centre-worker-angry-after-feral-youths-get-away-with-it/NVZNQV7WWXBY47TFKNJP2BBBEU/

“The shopping centre manager was asked how banned individuals were able to continue returning to the centre but the manager declined to comment, saying the matter was one for police to speak to as it involved youth law.”

The manager is a coward, the police are cowards, and the judges are cowards for refusing to deal with the problem.
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October 15, 2022 11:27am
- Keith White
  
  Anyone who decides to help confront such a criminal will lose his freedom, his career, his standing and reputation, as the Costerites arrest him, the Woke sentence him, and the Fanatical Crimhuggers crucify him.
  
  I would like to think I would have tried to help – but in reality, who wants to spend the rest of what’s left of life dealing with the personal consequences of doing a job the Woke Police won’t do.
  
  OTOH, the older and more cancer-ridden one gets, the less “the rest of your life in prison” is a deterrent, so there’s that 🙂
  
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  October 15, 2022 11:08pm
Maggie Pie

You can only IMAGINE the pillow-talk 😛

https://twitter.com/juliefairey/status/1581046302770462720
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October 15, 2022 11:44am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I was unsure who she was or what she stood for until I saw the Labour Pallett lady from Ilam congratulate her in TikTok language.
  
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  October 15, 2022 1:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A bit like the response from this cock….
    
    imagine the city if Fester had scored 🙁
    
    https://twitter.com/DevinMynett/status/1581059861445750784
    
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    October 15, 2022 2:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      Your response to Efeso Collins losing has been less than gracious.
      One cringes at how you might have reacted if he’d won.
      In the meantime let’s see how Mr Brown gets on.
      
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      October 15, 2022 6:47pm
covfefe

I have just heard this expression on Ricochet podcast – “The chemotherapy of recession”. Oh and Leighton Smith podcast this week is excellent.
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October 15, 2022 12:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I put this on Facebook yesterday. They covered it and said missing context, and it could mislead people. Well it would only mislead stupid people.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/10/fact-check-pfizer-covid19-vaccine-clinical-trial-not-intended-to-test-effect-on-transmission.html?
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October 15, 2022 12:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC had a rally, and the audience turned on her.
This is AOC who nearly died again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K3vbbPyacw
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October 15, 2022 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

And what about Jack Lame on ZB this morning advocating for….. Reusable-Toilet-Paper!

Says it’s made of similar material to a cotton nappy and can be washed a number of times.

Honestly, you couldn’t make this sh*t up 🙁

https://etsy.com/nz/market/reusable_toilet_roll
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October 15, 2022 1:00pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder when people visit his house if he asks them to please wash the bum cloth after use
  
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  October 15, 2022 1:13pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Romans used to use sponges.
    
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    October 15, 2022 1:21pm
    - kevn
      
      @fight… Romans had slaves as well.
      
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      October 15, 2022 4:21pm
- Ra Henare
  
  The boy Lame needs to get out more.
  The solution is not reusable toilet paper(vomit)
  
  But the use of bum guns as in SE Asia.
  A hose with a handpiece, next to the toilet.
  https://www.thebumgun.com/
  
  I use one every day.
  No skid marks
  No sore arse from paper scratching
  Quick and simple
  
  CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP
  
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  October 15, 2022 4:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must go to Bunnings to get some plumbing bits for my new shithouse hose.
    Which is best, a simple spray rose, or an adjustable trigger type gun? Guess I better line the shithouse walls with something easy to clean – like a shower cubicle.
    Asking for a friend (my partner)
    
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    October 15, 2022 4:51pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Here you go SteveO….this is what you’re looking for.
      We’ve got these ones installed by each of the ensuite toilets.
      
      https://mitre10.co.nz/shop/hozelock-auto-reel-40m/p/170675
      
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      October 15, 2022 4:57pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        ROFL
        
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        October 15, 2022 8:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I have 3 of them outside, and I did not pay $449 each. Maybe $270
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:42am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Bum gun is basically a variation on the bidet theme. For the last word in all this, look up “Japanese toilets” …..
    
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    October 16, 2022 8:13am
- Its only I
  
  Butt floss towel?
  Reel to reel butt floss towel like those hand towel ones in public toilets?
  
  Imagine if that was a thing, reel to reel butt floss towels. The only country in the world with reel to reel butt floss towels.
  Then imagine a tourist parking their breakfast in a public thunder box and naturally getting confused with the next process.
  You casually walk in and you see someone trying to back up on the hand towel version next to the hand basin….. while perched on a chair…..If you walked in on that what would you say? “yeah mate, a bit high that one”
  
  No hands I guess, that’s a bonus.
  
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  October 15, 2022 4:55pm
Takere

The Gween party of eco-terrorism have finally become, reached full ‘Cult’ status.

Starting with the Auckland Uni Gweenies!

““A structural shift from our current system is necessary, as marginalised minorities are actively undermined by the political status quo. University of Auckland Greens is an organisation that offers an alternative. To practice what we preach, our executive committee has decided to abstain from attending Baby Back Benches 2022. Our vision is establishing safe spaces on campus that encourages positive policy-based kōrero, instead of entertaining drunken debates that are not conducive to constructive conversations.”

The gweenie intelligentsia gestapo & stazi snowflakes are doing everyone a favour by not engaging with the rest of us, and hopefully, forever!
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October 15, 2022 1:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well if the Gweens are not there, I’m going.
  Maybe not//
  
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  October 15, 2022 4:07pm
Don Beckett

Out in the bush, we used to use the hanging variety of tree moss – soft, clean & moist. 🙂
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October 15, 2022 2:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pukapuka leaves. They even grow on Rangitoto Island
  
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  October 15, 2022 4:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop co governance.
Pricing Agricultural Emissions. Maori will be exempted from paying for agricultural
emissions. It makes for sickening reading.
Things are going to get rough with the propaganda aimed at whitie. Things are starting to look like South Afrika pre 1994.
Maori are going to be rewarded for poor business decisions and laziness by not paying emissions fees, but hard working, prudent, clever non-Maori are going to be pinged for their efforts. They will be paying emissions fees.
There is no mention of Maori farmers who are have good land and are doing well, just like their non-Maori counterparts. What about them? The document just makes no provision for them. This document is about ‘all Maori.’
How is this fair?
It’s not.
It’s apartheid.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Emissions-charges-part-1.pdf
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October 15, 2022 3:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sooner or later, someone is going to react to these Stop Co Governance posts. I have shared quite a few.
  Now before anyone throws a tantrum, I suggest they go to the Website, or contact Julian Batchelor. I am just the messenger – remember that OK?
  If it should be a breach of Kiwiblog Policies, then fair enough. Sometimes people don’t like the truth, it hurts their image.
  
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  October 15, 2022 3:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Government should regulate the Internet. Really?
I thought I saw and heard something about this the other day, came from United Nations I think. Now sure, it was mixed with word soup waffle.
Joe Rogan, skip now if you don’t want to hear a possible truth.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/rogan-destroyed-this-magazine-mogul-who-says-government-should-regulate-the-internet/
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October 15, 2022 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gen Z – thumbs up is offensive?
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/gen-z-workers-reveal-which-hand-gesture/

Seriously? Just put the thumb down and wake them up with a Boomers 1* handshake while they are still offended LOL!
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October 15, 2022 4:15pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum txts…

Q: Why did the ‘trans man’ only eat salads?

A: ‘He’ was a herbefore.

LOL!!!
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October 15, 2022 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shocking!
  
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  October 15, 2022 4:58pm
- Keith White
  
  “Dearly beloved, lettuce spray.”
  
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  October 15, 2022 11:10pm
JimBobJoe

Jay Bhattacharya and Gigi Foster in conversation with John Anderson – COVID retrospective discussion….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-divqmfNw&list=TLPQMTUxMDIwMjLamMddzH-0FQ&index=4

Just over an 1 hour and 11 minutes. Worth a listen…
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October 15, 2022 7:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cheers for that
  
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