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CJames

Why did our Prime Minister push the World Economic Forum line on disinformation and internet censorship in her speech to the UN? Owning the narrative on climate change, Covid issues and the like were specifically covered by their agenda. They also wanted to use social media companies and influencers to spread only their message and shut down everyone else..
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/09/tackling-disinformation-agenda-dialogues/
And for those that still think CNN is reputable, there was this gem “ CNN is both an organization that’s trying to make sense of the world and trying to establish the facts; it’s also part of a political war on who owns the narrative,”.
It looks very much like the “conspiracy theory” people were right. Ms Ardern is a minion of the WEF elites. Surely this is something our media should have reported and investigated//
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October 16, 2022 8:03am
- blue collar
  
  Truss is another , these WEF guys are doing very well aren’t they ? //
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  Re the WEF, they now have their man in Exchequers. The financial shenanigans required to usher in a Great Reset are moving apace.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yup, Truss was very quickly taught a lesson about who is actually in charge. The fastest U turn in political history just about.
    Alexander Mecouris from the Duran called it 36 hours before Kwarteng resigned. He saw the signals sent from the bankers and instantly said “this is a coup in progress”. He was correct.
    
    The real PTB are moving at pace. It’s a concerning trend.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:58am
- Yvette
  
  CJames
  If you haven’t already, please see – Government’s use of surveillance firm Cobwebs Technologies embroiled in controversy
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476659/government-s-use-of-surveillance-firm-cobwebs-technologies-embroiled-in-controversy
  
  Perhaps compare – As leaders, we are rightly concerned that even those most light-touch approaches to disinformation could be misinterpreted as being hostile to the values of free speech we value so highly. …
  But we have an opportunity here to ensure that these particular weapons of war do not become an established part of warfare. – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, UN Speech
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/full-speech-jacinda-ardern-addresses-un-general-assembly.html
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:57am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The WEF the UN and the Ardern regime are the biggest threats to democracy and freedom of speech in New Zealand since WW2. Whilst freedom fighters in New Zealand cant do anything about the WEF and the UN we can throw out the Ardern regime in 2023.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Shorter. Threats to freedom. Period.
    
    Covid has shown just how ready most are to sacrifice freedom for a little (fraudulently) promised safety. Just wait until a carefully curated global economic meltdown leaves the commoners wealthless, and without the future they’d anticipated. Based on this trial run, the run to CBDCs and social & carbon credit scores will become a stampede.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      A bit of positive news. One Canadian politician speaking clearly about the attacks on the unvaccinated.
      
      Alberta’s new Premier Danielle Smith on the unvaccinated: “They have been the most discriminated against group that I’ve ever witnessed in my lifetime.”
      
      https://librti.com/view-video/alberta-s-new-premier-danielle-smith-on
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:01am
- Taieri
  
  CNN is both an organization that’s trying to make sense of the world and trying to establish the facts; it’s also part of a political war on who owns the narrative
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  A classic definition of propaganda…
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  At the UN the last time she was there she said the world is a borderless planet. Biden wins in the states and people from all over the world are walking in, if this is not organised crap from the UN and probably WEF then I will eat my headless hat
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What I take from Jaspinda’s UN waffle is little hints about many topics.
  She was reminding the World of who is in charge of NZ. It was a message to us – ‘don’t mess with me or you will see more of my Tyrannical bad side. I will shut you up’
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:57am
- Master Mariner
  
  Surely this is something our media should have reported and investigated//
  Ask peter Williams how that went with Robertson.
  The Journalists are Embedded.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:10am
- Justitia
  
  I believe Ardern is doing the WEF’s bidding as one of their “young global leaders”. The WEF has of course also recently formally consummated its unholy union with the UN.
  If you have any doubts about the totalitarian objectives of the WEF, listen to Cardinal Gerhard Muller who called them out in February 2021.
  Noting that the COVID epidemic was being used as a reason for a fundamental change in how we live, via the “Great Reset”, he foresaw a world where the “masses are held in socialist societies, controlled and suppressed by the State”, under an ideological union between global capitalism and Chinese Communism.
  
  Cardinal Muller noted the WEF has proclaimed the end of Western values based on Christianity, and he warned that the goal of the Great Reset was “absolute control of thought speech and action”, which is pretty much what Ardern advocated in her speech to the UN last month. Perhaps in her enthusiasm she let the cat out of the bag? You have been warned.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:16am
CJames

Remember the ozone hole? It was the big scare about three decades ago. It was going to kill everyone from skin cancer. Got a whole lot of chemicals banned. The Montreal Protocol which did it was seen as a success story that proponents said climate treaties should emulate. https://www.state.gov/key-topics-office-of-environmental-quality-and-transboundary-issues/the-montreal-protocol-on-substances-that-deplete-the-ozone-layer/
So what has happened?
https://www.temis.nl/protocols/o3hole/
https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/statistics/annual_data.html
Looks like there has be no success and the ozone hole is just as bad as ever. No evidence that the cancer rate has increased. They found replacement chemicals, made by factories in Russia China and India were just as bad as the banned ones so they were paid to close down. This meant some were opened just to get shutting money. The scientists got around their errors by redoing their models, so what was going to take five years will now take a century. The reports of their old models were buried. The politicians don’t mention it any more. How unusual is any of this paragraph?
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October 16, 2022 8:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yeah, I initially brought into the whole ozone issue + mitigation narrative. This issue started the unraveling of my erstwhile blind trust in globally co-ordinated science narratives.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But but but, the ozone hole was created by gas in ya fridge remember? They got rid of the gas and Walla the ozone hole was gone. (SARC)
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No sarc. Once the idiots saw someone was doing something (vacating the gas) they crawled back under their rock, waiting for the next panic that offended them.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do not mention the Ozone hole over the tropics.
  
  https://aip.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1063/5.0094629
  
  https://geographical.co.uk/science-environment/ozone-controversy
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I mentioned it in the tropics (and Alaska)
    Hawaii, someone told me I must put sunblock on (Special sunblock in Hawaii to it does not harm the sealife) I just told them that this sun will not burn me, I come from a place under the ozone hole.
    Same happened in Alaska, told them the same. Yes it gets hot there in their short summer. Alaska summer is just like Auckland summer. My partner got burnt there, wilt sunblock on.
    I am one of the lucky ones that rarely burn, my Dad was the same.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The tropics have the highest levels of UV. By far.
      
      Something that might mitigate it somewhat (at lower altitudes at least) is high levels of local air pollution.
      
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      October 16, 2022 1:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am sure the Ozone hole has always been there, changing is size with the weather changes, not climate change. These days the so called ‘scientists’ have much better equipment to measure the hole. Then they start the nonsense and start a panic.
  I well remember fridges that did not work. They had to have the “refrigerant ” vacated. That means sucked out into storage. Same as car aircon. Costly for a stuffed fridge.
  Strange nobody even mentions the ozone hole much anymore. The panic has passed, just as the Covid panic will pass.
  Will someone please shut that little prick Baker up?
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:09am
- Rusty
  
  This climate change activism is nothing new. In the 70s and 80s the New Age/Mother earth/Gaia worship hippies preached their save the planet doctrine. Some rogue scientists who bought into this actually predicted the earth was getting cooler not hotter.
  The weather regulates itself in my view, we ain’t going to fry or freeze to death.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:22pm
krazykiwi

Biden up to his creepiest worst again. Grabs a young girl’s shoulders from behind and says “No serious guys till you’re 30”. Poor girl tries to nervously laugh it off.
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October 16, 2022 8:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  @KK-
  Grandad acting up again. Bring on the fireside chats.
  Imagine if Trump had done that? There would be people literally frothing at the mouth.
  Surely inappropriate and unprofessional for a world leader to be so loose in his behaviour around minors.
  But America voted for Mr Biden so presumably they hare happy and content with their choice.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:18am
  - MCōs
    
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    “Imagine if Trump had done that?”
    No thanks
    
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    October 16, 2022 8:22am
    - Gravelroad
      
      But ok for Biden?
      Nothing to see here.
      
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      October 16, 2022 8:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Why not? Too much CogDis for you? In truth, had Trump done this it would have been equally creepy. The only difference would have been millions of Trump-fearing saps screaming for his head on a pole. Those same people are justify this behaviour from Biden by their silence. And to me “No thanks” is silence.
      
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      October 16, 2022 8:31am
      - MCōs
        
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        “Why not?”
        
        Then you go and answer the question yourself.
        
        When that woman whose hair Key fondled speaks out she got less than universal support.
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:05am
      - andrew davies
        
        Keys one off stupid act was big news with much commentary. Bidens pattern of creepy behaviour barely registers media wise. Big difference.
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:15am
      - CJames
        
        Was that waitress less emotionally scarred than the fast food worker that Jacinda blamed for spreading Covid. I think not.
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:19am
      - rouppe
        
        @MCos.
        
        Oh, it’s a fondling now?
        
        Used to be “tugged her ponytail”. Now it’s “fondled her hair”.
        
        More rewriting of history. Your credibility is shot, mate, making stuff up like that.
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:19am
      - David Garrett
        
        Andrew: Except that Key’s ponytail pull was not a “one off” – he apparently did it several times…God only knows why. But whether it was once twice or thrice, it was still no big deal in the scheme of things…but what a media feeding frenzy it was!
        
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        October 16, 2022 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        In Key’s eyes it was just harmless fun.
        But it was a very bad lapse of judgment.
        It was too familiar.
        
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        October 16, 2022 11:22am
    - Ruahine
      
      But that is the point.
      He did not and does not fondle minors.
      
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      October 16, 2022 8:36am
    - Ghost
      
      Imagine if Trump’s Daughter’s diary was leaked talking about inappropriate showers with her daddy. There would be protests and demands prosecute for child abuse.
      
      Imagine if Trump’s son’s laptop was found with videos of him snorting drugs and rumours of videos and photos of him raping children.
      
      The left and the media turn a blind eye to what this man and his family have done, including the ties of his family and a few democrats to Ukraine.
      
      Shall we also add that Biden is not mentally fit for the job
      
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      October 16, 2022 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Showering with daughter is creepy, repugnant.
        
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        October 16, 2022 10:30am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Gravel – “presumably they are happy and content with their choice.” I’d say they will be about as happy as us Kiwis with our leader.
    
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    October 16, 2022 8:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Saw yesterday for the first time printed sticky label – on a shopping area on a waste bin –
      “Make Ardern Go Away”
      Waiting for the caps now.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        TradeMe.
        https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/clothing-fashion/men/accessories/hats-caps/listing/3809481197?bof=QFWR68eD
        
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        October 16, 2022 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sticker.
        https://www.seriousshooters.co.nz/maga-bumper-sticker-make-ardern-go-away-1500811
        
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        October 16, 2022 10:37am
      - pdm
        
        There is someone who regularly writes in two or three places in chalk on the walkways of Cornwall Park, Hastings.
        
        Message is usually two to four lines which almost always include – JAIL ARDERN.
        
        This mornings theme was – SHE LIED TO US.
        
        Has been doing it for the last 3 months at least – on fine days anyway.
        
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        October 16, 2022 1:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @pdm. Has that person only just found out?
        Most of us knew 13 years ago that she was a dangerous fraud
        
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        October 16, 2022 3:09pm
      - pdm
        
        Steve I have no idea who writes it or when it is written.
        
        I usually walk in the park at about 9.30am -10.30am on fine days and staff start at around 6 am.
        
        Must be an early riser whoever it is or I suppose one of the Council staff.
        
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        October 16, 2022 7:13pm
      - Hebe123
        
        My 80 yo mother has been proudly wearing the hat for two years
        
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        October 16, 2022 7:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    America voted for Biden
    
    Why did the tech billionaires literally put hundreds of millions of dollars into unseating him . Why did big business collude with far left labour unions .Very odd bed fellows.
    
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    October 16, 2022 8:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      America voted for Biden. Did they?
      Dead people, ballot drops and hacked voting machines voted for him.
      81 million my left tit.
      
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      October 16, 2022 3:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I see a lot of suing going on when those girls grow up Trick cyclists will tell the girls they are traumatised for life. Joe will be dead, but the lawsuits will still happen.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:27am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, Twitter are censoring comments not kind to Joe. Must be getting close to Mid Terms.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:28am
- kiwimike
  
  Hang on, but he’s allowed to stick his finger up a staffer in a corridor, in his 60’s ?
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:37am
- Nickc2
  
  The Dems would have lynched Trump for less. Biden though, minimal MSM coverage and mothers laughing the incident off.
  Where the effs the ‘Me Too’ Hollywood clique on this?
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Creepy uncle Joe, must be a vulgar leftie thing
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:59am
  - Opie
    
    Apparently if you find this inappropriate you are the sick one for even thinking that about our beloved creepy Joe.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:34am
Keith White

The old murder mysteries used to school us to “cherchez la femme”.

…these days, we need to “cherchez les WEFers” when it comes to murder on a grand scale.
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October 16, 2022 8:08am
Jade Warrior

While it was gratifying yesterday to hear Winston Peters describe the current government as a bunch of incompetents, the question still remains – why did Winston hand these idiots power back in 2017?

Winston is an experienced politician who probably understands every move on the political chessboard. Surely he quickly sized up Jacinda and her Labour colleagues for the rabble that they are. So why did he do it?
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October 16, 2022 8:11am
- Ghost
  
  He couldn’t work with Paula or Bill, that’s why those who voted for him to keep national honest were dreaming, there was no way in hell he would get over himself and work with those two
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:35am
  - kiwimike
    
    mea culpa
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes add even if he got in and went with National in 2023, it would be chaos.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Chaos is what we have right now, every single sector is an utter shambles, education and health have never been in such a mess, COVID has nothing to do with it
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:17am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Ghost-
    Sorry, I reported in error – instead of reply.
    I’m just an ordinary voter out here in the sticks.
    I havn’t voted for Peters and likely never will.
    But, how were the likes of me and mine supposed to know beforehand who won’t work with Paula or Bill?
    Or that Peters was already under the Jacinda smile spell and was going to go with Labour no matter what?
    Voters can’t be blamed for their choices when they don’t know the full story.
    And we can’t be assured that the compromised media will now ever tell the full story on our behalf either,
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:52am
    - Paulus
      
      Winston only went for what Winston wanted – and has not changed, nor ever will.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Peters is totally responsible for his treachery to the voters, on election night there was a very clear pointer to what the voter wanted. He chose the wrong option, he is completely at fault, when someone says to him how do we know we can trust you again, his responses are pathetic, I am informed that only two MPs wanted to go left, Martin was one who has now pulled out of the party
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:22am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It was pretty well known that Winston did not like Bill. Probably because Bill saw right through Winston.
      
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      October 16, 2022 8:09pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why the hell could he not work with them fFS,? That right there is why he could not have been trusted, okay, English toed the party line as a young Mp to vote against Peters, why he hated Bennett is beyond me, he sued her for leaking his corruption, proved wrong and forced to apologise, he is a big kid who packs a wee man syndrome Tandy.
    
    If Peters had gone with English who told him no over the 3 billion growth fund, then English would still be in power now heading for their 6 th term, remembering whoever was government during COVID was going to win.
    
    Peters hated Bridges as well, why, probably because he smashed Peters in Tauranga even though Bob Clarkson actually took Peters out in Tauranga. He smeared Muller as well.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:14am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      I was at an event before the 2017b election and was part of a group talking to Paula Bennet and she mentioned an incident with Winston when she was a new MP. I can’t recall the exact details but he insulted her and she gave back as good as she got and he didn’t like it.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:50am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        Maybe Paula gave him a serve but now she is selling real estate, goneburger politically, while Winston is still there.
        
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        October 16, 2022 11:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Spite, he hated English who became pm as Peters died for, so simple hate and spite, just look at his weak gutless attempts for putting them in power, this week he told a heckler that it was because Nats were advertising before the election to vote Nats and cut out the middle man, the whole time he was preparing for court action wrongly against Nat ministers.
  
  The bastard can’t be trusted, now he is going to tell Labour you won’t get my support if you keep this Māori division up. Can we remember what he did when getting in in 17? That’s right, the first thing he did over dumping Māori seats was can it, it was the first thing he fid, F…. Peters, he is rotten
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:07am
- Opie
  
  The best thing about it was the media actually ran the story which will hopefully help the sheep to understand what is happening.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  New horse, new boat, new outboard?
  Could be anything with crafty Winston first
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:43am
- Colville
  
  Labour offered him the baubles.
  Deputy PM and the $3,000,000,000 war chest for Shame Jones to buy voters.
  
  Winnie voted for Winnie!
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    But there’s no chance that any of the $3Bn leaked back to NZ1st eh? //
    
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    October 16, 2022 12:15pm
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/us/orthodox-jews-sue-new-york-gun-law-banning-concealed-carry-houses-worship
Orthodox Jewish community apparently knows what happens to a disarmed population.
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October 16, 2022 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kathy Hochul’s statement about a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun does not hold up. But then she never defends the does not hold up bit. She never explained herself.
  “Gun Free Zone” signs just attract disturbed cowards wanting to shoot up. I have seen a video of a guy entering a church and pulling out a rifle from under his coat, ready to shoot up. Next second 8 shots – all to the head. Yep, the concealed carry people stopped him. Hochul’s statement is plain anti-gun bullshit.
  Btw, did you know that Donald Trump has a concealed carry permit? He owns 5 handguns.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:55am
kowtow

Full page ad in Sunday Herald.

‘Google
Connecting New Zealanders to trustworthy journalism.
Google helps NZers find trustworthy news.We do this thro’ technology that highlights stories from authoritative sources and close collaborationwith local publishers”

I suppose this fits in with;
“We partnered with Google – for example – if you google ‘climate change,’ you will get all kinds of UN resources,” she says. “We started this partnership when we were shocked to see that when we googled ‘climate change,’ we were getting incredibly distorted information right at the top. So, we’re becoming much more proactive, you know we own the science, and we think the world should know it.”

Melissa Ruth Fleming
UN Under Secretary for Global Communications

Scary world .
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October 16, 2022 8:24am
- Taieri
  
  Google
  Connecting New Zealanders to trustworthy journalism.
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  I will stick with Stuff. Far more trustworthy…
  
  🙂
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:35am
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124508789/stuff-wins-funding-to-counter-covid19-vaccine-misinformation
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Duckduckgo. Google is corrupted by the left.
  Google works sure, for a simple info search. But anything political will be tainted with leftist shit.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:58am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Google promotes Wikipedia. This suggests Google also is infected with strong mental sickness.
    
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    October 16, 2022 6:22pm
artemisia

Costco going gangbusters in Auckland and hinting at more stores. How many stores and how much profit before they have to supply smaller retailers at wholesale prices. I’m sure the ComCom is keeping a close watch, ready to advise the government to pounce.//

And because Costco is currently one of those smaller retailers, and also a new market entrant, will they be asking the Big Two to supply them at set prices and go to the ComCom if they don’t supply? Minister Parker should be asked.
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October 16, 2022 8:25am
- Ghost
  
  They have a 5 year holiday
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/129870055/supermarket-duopoly-cries-foul-at-costcos-fiveyear-holiday-from-governments-supermarket-competition-regime
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:28am
  - artemisia
    
    Thanks for that Ghost. I read the article and it does not seem to exempt the current Big Two from supplying Costco at less than retail, including private label products – “a previously unrecognised dilemma”.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bloody idiotic policy.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:51am
- Lance
  
  I made the mistake of going there on a weekday morning.
  It was like Dante’s Inferno. Ridiculous overcrowding and mad pushing to get things. Bugger that
  BTW Coke bottles cost far more than in our local supermarket. Some bulk brands I have never seen before were cheaper.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch is at it again.
The left must have a passionate hatred of anyone who doesn’t share their world view.
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October 16, 2022 8:25am
- Prince
  
  I’m just constantly amazed that the Stuff cartoonists keep their jobs, with a daily output that basically says “Left = Goodness, Right = Evil”.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:04am
- igm
  
  She could not even pick up dog shit at shows correctly . . . her so-called cartoons are no better.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:12am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  it really seems that way. I have an American friend here in NZ who, after the alex jones verdict posted about hoping he is killed and buried – a comment kb mods would delete in a heartbeat. – friend is a woke lefty former journo. I reported that comment to fb to see how they acted. they replied saying no issue with comment as per their standards. I guess exciting hatred/violence is ok if your target is not a lefty woke jockey. hypocrisy? double standard? nope, just how the left roles 100m dead by communism, and still counting.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:19am
- nathie
  
  I don’t suppose Stuff cartoonists would show a naked Tory Whanau swinging chains with her “private bits” covered by skulls by chance?
  
  It would make an appalling and tasteless cartoon (so I’m glad that they wouldn’t even bother of course). So why does Stuff go there with Wayne Brown?
  
  And why is Wellington based Stuff holding Auckland’s mayor to account (as that’s the domain of the NZ Herald)? Shouldn’t Stuff focus on holding their Wellington mayor to account (as they have the inside running)?
  
  Talking of which there seems to be little DomPost coverage of Tory Whanau doing anything of substance as new mayor – apart from profiles on “how wonderful she is” and Jacinda-like photoshoots with community organisations??
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m beyond caring about Wellington. Traffic chaos, unaffordable houses, wasted spending. They voted for more of it.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:54am
    - pdm
      
      BY – you forgot rusted pipes that neither Foster or the previous Green Mayor did anything about.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:07am
  - Paulus
    
    I as a very mature person would not, like Mayor Brown, care one toss of such a cartoon, and would ask for a copy to put in my toilet along with similar, as a momento of the time I won overwhemingly the Auckland Mayoralty election.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:20am
    - oldfella
      
      Paulus, Brown could add the copy to his urinal, and invite the media to photograph him pissing on it. //
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:50am
  - oldfella
    
    Nathie, here are some good examples of how they do political humour in the US. Some of it will even make you laugh out loud, not cringe as is so often the case with the local efforts (Garrick Tremain being a notable exception).
    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/10/the-week-in-pictures-effing-biden-edition.php
    
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    October 16, 2022 11:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our unskilled Prime Minister:

“ACT ran Immigration Minister Michael Wood and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern through Immigration New Zealand’s points-based criteria to see if they would qualify if they weren’t born in New Zealand.

“Both fell short of the 180 points necessary from January 2023 to qualify as a ‘skilled migrant’. In fact, they would seriously struggle to hit the current target of 160 points.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00099/pm-and-immigration-minister-wouldnt-meet-smc-criteria.htm
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October 16, 2022 8:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Stand by for legislative tweaks to bolster points earned for chip frying and for headlining at socialist youth, fist-pumping “Comrades” rallies.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:35am
  - LB
    
    DJs, critical shortage of these, we need to allow more in or we’ll fall behind
    
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    October 16, 2022 2:52pm
- Matt Long
  
  It’s one of the curious things about New Zealand, we have settings that encourage our own not to work and to live a parasitic lifestyle, we fill hectares of Wellington buildings with red/green ideologues who kill productivity and prosperity for the country and we prevent people who would love the opportunity to do the work employers can’t get Kiwis to do.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:47am
  - Paulus
    
    I am sure Bob Jones loves this Government as he owns many of the buildings occupied by the so called Public Service.
    He has never been so well off I suspect.
    
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    October 16, 2022 1:36pm
- Bill Felt
  
  What about JAG, Golriz, or the Mexican?
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The Mexican somehow got here and got citizenship. Same with JAG.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    Genter is an expert on traffic management, you can see her expertise outworking on 5he roads today.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:06am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      IIRC she is an expert in ‘parking’ of cars. She holds the view that providing parking spaces simply encourages people to drive cars. Therefore she opposes parking spaces.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:56am
G152

So we have an understaffed health system and the current government has decided to not only do nothing about it but to install a race based health system alongside it.
The Human race has no genetic variations that matter as we are all descended from those Out of Africa.
And skin colour doesnt do anything but show up racists
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October 16, 2022 8:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Exactly. I had major heart surgery by an old white surgeon.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:58am
  - pdm
    
    BY two lots for me.
    
    The first by a 60 year old ex Estonian and the second by a mid forties irishman.
    
    Both excellent at what they did.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:09am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      After the surgery (aortic valve replacement with a mechanical valve) I said “How did it go?” He replied “Routine. Oh well onwards and upwards. See you later.” I’ll never forget it. 🙂
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:58am
      - pdm
        
        Two porcine valves for me and a small by pass because they were opening me up.
        
        First go was four or five hours and second about 8 hours because they had to make sure they got rid of all of the old valve.
        
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        October 16, 2022 1:20pm
    - G152
      
      I had Stage 4 Non Hodkins and there wasn’t one New Zealander in Oncology at the time. It was a UN of specialists
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Me too !
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:21am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Crickey! There’s a bunch of health system botherers here on KB!
    
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    October 16, 2022 8:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My last knockout surgery for prostate biopsy. Groin entry. The theatre was full of all colours. Did not worry me one bit.
  Happy that I am getting regular active surveillance with the Health System in the state it is in.
  Save money:
  Run down the Defence,
  Run down the farming.
  Run down the fuel refinery (privately owned, but the pipes and storage vats are NZ)
  Run down the Education System
  Run down all sorts.
  But run down the Health System? The system that helps us to enjoy life and stay alive?
  This Govt has to go>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:17am
Matt Long

Post Colonial Stress Disorder appears to real, if we consider the post colonial period from around 1950 onward.
While Maori enjoyed a rapid improvement in quality of life during the colonial period of New Zealand history, with improved material, physical and spiritual/ mental outcomes, the period since the 1950s with the rise of cultural Marxism has resulted in Maori moving from one of the least incarcerated people in New Zealand to the most.
The new rascism; liberal regressive White Saviourism has resulted in terrible outcomes for Maori, who now have the least stable families, highest abuse rates, lowest educational outcomes and highest criminal offending rates in the country.
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October 16, 2022 8:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Last paragraph points to one thing:
  Fatherless homes = welfare dependent.
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:19am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep while many single mothers make a good fist of parenting and obviously work bloody hard at it, the devaluing of fathers and the lack of fathers does appear in many pieces of research to be a major contributor to very bad outcomes for the offspring.
    
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    October 16, 2022 7:18pm
Gravelroad

Winston Peters starting early with his election campaign.
Any ideas for a catchy campaign slogan?
Something along the lines of “Keeping Labour Honest”?
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October 16, 2022 8:34am
- Debsta
  
  He should hide his face in shame for what he unleashed on NZ 5 years ago. The fact he is out electioneering again shows the zero integrity of the man. Surely voters aren’t that stupid to trust anything WP says!
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:43am
  - Ghost
    
    Perhaps those who voted for him should hide their head in shame, along with those who voted for labour last election to try and keep the greens out. Easy to blame a politician when the only reason they were able to get in and pick a side was because they were elected
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:37am
    - kiwimike
      
      bugger off
      i don’t have to hold my head in shame!
      I saw the Light and Changed my vote.
      
      loads of others (White women) voted for Jabcinda and are looking to do so again.
      Not allowing for the mentally feable Watermelons and their hangers on..
      
      do you really want me to downtick you forever ?
      
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      October 16, 2022 9:46am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Ghost-
      Nice piece of victim blaming there, Ghost.
      Tell the voters next time the full story.
      Politicians are supposed to be committed to honest, clear leadership.
      Instead, it is often all about them and their personal ambitions and feelings.
      It is politicians who are mostly to blame for the current conditions we labour under – not the poor schmucks out here who voted – in good faith.
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:02am
      - Ghost
        
        Voters should do their research before voting and they would know that Winston would have never worked with Paula or Bill. Just like the idiots who decided to vote labour to keep the greens out.
        
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        October 16, 2022 11:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Voters are easily stupid enough. 5 percent of them anyway.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:00am
- Scooter
  
  How about this..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9PA0aebt2M&feature=emb_rel_end
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:45am
- CJames
  
  Maybe “Don’t trust politicians. They lie.” Or they could do one on the theme of baubles of office.
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:47am
  - Gravelroad
    
    In 1980, Ronald Reagan’s campaign slogan was :
    “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:01am
- Scooter
  
  I will try this again not sure if previous link worked, tried to delete. Al Pacino Godfather 3, Winston aka Luigi Corleone.
  
  https://youtu.be/UPw-3e_pzqU
  
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  October 16, 2022 8:53am
- igm
  
  Go away Winston, indirectly, you are responsible for the diabolical situation New Zealand now is.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:13am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Nothing “indirect” about it.
    
    For the evil gnome, it is always about the baubles.
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Indirectly? He is completely to blame, he weakly says he did not put them in in 2020, but if he had gone with the Nats, the Nats would have got the same support as Labour did cause COVID
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:29am
- Yvette
  
  Their bumper-sticker slogan appears to already be –
  BRING BACK BALANCE
  BRING BACK NEW ZEALAND FIRST
  https://www.nzfirst.nz
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:16am
  - Yvette
    
    or BRING BACK BELLAMY’S
    Alliteration or a literalisation
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:29am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Bring back a lucky dip post-election?
    
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    October 16, 2022 7:19pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  “If I am the answer it is a damn stupid question” works best for me especially as he anointed this mess of a government due to his desire for final revenge over National and Bill English.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:26am
- pdm
  
  gravel – he would have to be the last of the optimists if he thinks he could achieve – `keeping Labour honest’.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:11am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was part of the dishonesty
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  NZF shafting the voters again 23
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Keeping Labour Honest” will be a good slogan for NZF.
  Even though Winston knows it is a lie!
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:24am
Im Right

Winston Peters predicting a snap election….. wishful thinking or just party conference rhetoric?, or as Labour slide down to the low 30s in the polls and inextricably towards the high 20s is a snap election a real possibility?
IMHO – if Jacinda doesn’t stand down (*cough -family reasons – *snigger) then I think a real possibility in Feb-March 2023 (dependant on the continual poll slide of course)
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October 16, 2022 8:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Can a government just decide to have an early election for no reason?
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:04am
  - pdm
    
    Muldoon did and that didn’t turn out too flash.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:11am
    - Alwynn
      
      Helen Clark tried the same thing in 2002. At the time it looked as if she would have been able to get a Labour Party only Government.
      During the campaign however there was a big swing away from Labout to New Zealand First and United Future.
      An earlier example was the 1951 election. I used to know Jack Marshall who was in the National Government at the time. I remember him saying, much later, that the only result of them going to the polls a year early was that the National Government lasted for 8 years rather than 9.
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Pretty easy to invent a reason for a snap election.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_election#New_Zealand
    
    https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/supporting-work-cabinet/cabinet-manual/6-elections-transitions-6
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:31am
Tasman devil

Bill English would be Prime Minister if he’d ruled out the charlatan Peters in the 2017 campaign.

John Key had the smarts to do so in the 2008 campaign.

Luxon has the smarts to follow the ride side of history?
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October 16, 2022 8:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  NZF were polling too high to rule Peters out in 2017, in 2014 Peters got above the 5% how Key was able to get Peters out of it is beyond me, Labour of course we’re only on 23% , but if Bats are mid 30s ACT on say 10% Labour on 30% Greens on 10% then where are the bloody votes coming from TOP is getting very close to 5% also
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:38am
nathie

Last night I saw Stuff’s cartoon for Saturday and then checked KB and surprisingly no-one mentioned it so here goes:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832270/jeff-bell-cartoons

This has to be one of Stuff’s most disgraceful cartoons (I say “one of” because today’s effort is just as bad).

I’m not even sure why the cartoonist bothered because NZ’ers can’t vote for overseas leaders (let alone vote back in the 1920’s).

But the worse aspect is Jeff Bell shows his utter ignorance. It is well know that John Key was on good terms with Hilary Clinton (due to the US-NZ relationship in the 2010’s) and that there was apprehension about Trump (eg Trump stated he would pull the US out of the TPPA etc). So it was wrong of Jeff Bell to infer that Key would have voted Trump because of tribal politics.

Then the cartoonist shows John Key supporting Brazil’s Bolsonaro – honestly who the heck would know as I doubt any NZ’er let alone JK thinks about Brazil’s politics.

Then Jeff Bell’s third suggestion of JK supporting Benito Mussolini’s National Fascist Party in 1929 takes the cake. How utterly absurd and you just know that Jeff Bell would have been itching to draw John Key supporting Adolf Hilter back in the 1930’s (I bet Jeff Bell self censored that out but wanted to draw that).

This is utterly disgraceful for a so call “main stream media” outlet (Stuff is not the loony far-left Standard … or are they), after all Stuff wouldn’t draw Jacinda Ardern supporting the Left’s greatest “fascists” Stalin, Mao … and Hitler?

Stuff has painted John Key as a supporter of Fascism (f. knows why the have JK in their tiny heads. After all he stepped down in 2016 …. here’s something novel for Stuff – how about holding the current govt to account)?

Would it be over the top to suggest John Key shouldn’t let this go (after all, those cartoons are “on the record” forever, and what’s next then?) and perhaps get his lawyers involved to take legal action against Stuff?
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October 16, 2022 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Totally predictable. Not a lawyer but I suspect it would be difficult to get a defamation verdict against a cartoonist. Maybe David Garrett has a view.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:07am
- Matt Long
  
  There was a recent interview, in the ferald I think where Key said he would have voted for Trump and Bolsanaro as he has always voted right, Key also said the right looked like fruit loops occasionally.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:12am
- PeeJay
  
  Sorry, think you’ll find the first two panels are taken from Key’s own remarks to the young labour / national group in a quick fire round of questions. Was reported a few days ago. Third panel is a stretch but possibly reasonable in context – Key did say he’d vote for the right wing candidate regardless – ok the voting for Trump is a red rag to the bull, but Key did himself no favours when saying he’d have probably voted for Bolsonaro despite him being a bit scary. Taking it too far? Perhaps but I thought it was a reasonable piss take considering the response from Key.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:30am
  - nathie
    
    Thnx, didn’t see that article!
    
    Anyway looking forward to the “tribal left” cartoon then where Labour’s leaders vote for famous historical figures from the far-left … oh wait!
    
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    October 16, 2022 11:12am
    - PeeJay
      
      Think you’ll be a long time waiting!!!
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:27am
- The Housekeeper
  
  And who would ever guess it was John Key without the heading? It looks nothing like him.
  
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  October 16, 2022 1:19pm
Prince

Vote Blue, Get Red.
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October 16, 2022 9:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  Thirty years of truth in four words.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    “Make Ardern Go Away”
    MAGA
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Tell me just one policy the Nats are supporting of Labours that are draconian? Don’t try and say the tax on farmers, because Luxon said they will not support the tax
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    ETS?
    
    WFF?
    
    Continuing support for Agenda 2030?
    
    Continuing to engage with WEF?
    
    Continuing to support WHO’s drive to subvert parliament’s sovereignty?
    
    Luxon might spare you Ardern, but if that’s the extent of your aspiration then you, and to be fair the majority of unthinking Natty tribals, are a lost cause.
    
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    October 16, 2022 1:23pm
    - leoj
      
      Amen
      The Nats are squishy.
      Luxon doesn’t know whether he is Arthur or Martha.
      
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      October 16, 2022 3:47pm
Its only I

Has anyone else noticed how many stories about anything Winston are on the stuff site at the moment.

Hoping to split the opposition vote for a better chance for their prefered party in power?
Stuffs hubris is up there but they must know they only really talk to their own kind.

Just a thought, if Stuff were ever taken to court over something would they try and call themselve entertainment and nobody of sound mind should take them seriously?

Maybe both major parties have left the door open to the trophy room…..again.

Like him or loathe him NZ politics wouldn’t be the same without New Zealand’s master of the election cycle.

Winston could raise a tent, run a freak show and sell you snake oil that makes all your hair fall out “the bastard how could he do this to us”.

The following year he raise a tent, run a freak show, add a stand for used pork barrels..and winston could sell you a magic cure for mysterious hair loss and everyone goes deaf. same response “the bastard how could he do this to us”.

The following year, tent, freaks, sham jone barrels, Ron Mark medal display and winston sells a magic cure for deafness but its makes your bottom lip droop , a stoop and your arms lengthen so your knuckles drag. “wait, what? the bastard how could he do this to us”.

Following year tent, freaks, barrels, medals, glass bauble stands and a sells a potion for the stooping, dribbling, deaf, bald nethanderthal that sees Jacinda as PM. “no, Winston, how, why, how could you…”

Winston saying nothing sits behind a desk holding up a sign with…
The first one was on me, the rest is on you.
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October 16, 2022 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I must admit I thought Winston would retire after the 2020 election. It is now clear that only death will stop him.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:09am
  - Its only I
    
    Your not alone.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:16am
  - MCōs
    
    He took a look at Wayne Brown and thought if that old codger can win Auckland I’ll give it another crack.
    Tim Shadbolt is younger than either of them of course.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:20am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Peters is older than Brown, there is only one old codger
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:45am
      - MCōs
        
        A year old.
        However if he gets back in parliament he’s kind of burned his bridges with just about everyone so he’ll have a have a far less burden to carry than Brown.
        Mayor of Auckland is no small thing, unless he hands everything over to Mr Hooten!
        
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        October 16, 2022 12:22pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Winston has more in common with Shadbolt than just age
      
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      October 16, 2022 8:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, they are desperate to shaft Nats, but did they not poll NZF voters and found most were preferable of Labour? If so Labour may well be dragged down further from a resurgent NZF , surely people on the right remember
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:44am
krazykiwi

“hey, what if we could make omicron even more immunity evading and as deadly as ebola?”

asked no sane person.

ever.

Source.
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October 16, 2022 9:23am
Surely Knott

The latest Covid medsafe safety report shows six more deaths, 1 of which is in the 10-19 year old bracket. The previous safety report was 11 deaths.

They follow this with a report on “observed vs expected deaths ” broken down by age so we can see whether there is a higher number of deaths in the period after the vaccine…

I would have thought that the number of expected deaths should be similar to the number of observed deaths all going well. But in all tables (after dose 1, dose 2, and dose 3) The children (10-19) and young people (20-29) in all charts are just slightly over the expected deaths. But all other age categories the observed deaths are only half of what they expected. Are they really suggesting that the vaccine stopped sudden deaths by half of what is normal. Or have we got a problem with our baseline. And if we have a problem with our baseline, have we got a problem with young peoples deaths.

eg. After dose 1, 10-19 year olds expected deaths vs 10.92 actual deaths 12. = 1.1 relative risk
40-49 yr olds Expected deaths 57.5 vs Actual deaths 24 = .42 relative risk
80+ year olds Expected deaths 1083 vs Actual deaths 604 = .56

All the adult categories actual deaths were about 1/2 the expected. https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-44.asp
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October 16, 2022 9:33am
- yossarian
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh4Zix87kFo&feature=share
  
  The shot was never intended to prevent transmission, from the mouths of Pfizer.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Not quite. They said that the trials did not assess whether it stopped transmission. Which is still astounding. And of course it became apparent that the vaccine did not stop transmission, making a nonsense of vaccine passes and mandates.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:12am
SmokerGuy

I see Winston Peters is having a cry about the government. We should never forget this guy is the one who lumped us with them in the first place. If you want real change vote ACT, Peters should never be trusted ever again after what he did.
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October 16, 2022 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  Yeah I don’t think I could ever vote David after his desire for the govt to vaccinate children and bypass medsafe.
  
  I tend To think the actions of all parties are leaving many without a real party anymore to support.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:51am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Ghost, single issue voters need to swallow a dead rat from time to time. Think of the country, not yourself.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:00am
    - pdm
      
      Yeah Ghost don’t be like Jacinda.
      
      Think of your country not yourself.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I agree. I don’t agree with every ACT policy. However taken as a whole, the Party far and away has policy that matches my own views. It is not a close contest.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:14am
    - Ghost
      
      Oh I will be, but I won’t be voting for ACT as it stands. But both parties on the right need to think about their actions over the past few years and have a come to Jesus moment about how they acted
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:22am
    - SmokerGuy
      
      Exactly!!!
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:36am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Captain – basic human rights is not a single issue, it is a core non negotiable fundament all issue. Perhaps your advise of swallowing dead rats for the good of the country should be directed at the Act party. Something like you are the libertarian party and you should stand for peoples rights even though it’s a difficult media environment – it is the right thing to do an d aligns with party values. Otherwise the people you reject and mock will be forced to look for a new party. If Act or National wants the anti mandate vote they could swallow a rat and apologise for their mistake, and their condescending belittling attitudes. But then I guess that’s why Matt king is having such big turnouts on his national tour.
      
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      October 16, 2022 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Music to Cindy’s ears
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:48am
Ronin

Kiwiblog post: Casey Costello on Labour deciding who is and is not Maori

404 – Page not found.

This isn’t the first time. Why is this happening?
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October 16, 2022 9:43am
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy’s censorship at work. NZ leads the world in Internet censorship.//
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Political interference
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:48am
BeaB

Always ask, “Why is this lying bastard lying to me?”
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October 16, 2022 9:53am
BeaB

Voting is simple. If you don’t want Labour, hold your nose if you must and give two ticks to National. Ensure a big enough majority to make real changes. Let National decide who they will work with once in government. Lobby your local National MP if you want to apply pressure.
Any other voting in my opinion just opens the door to Winston and Labour again.
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October 16, 2022 9:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How does voting ACT not have the same result of getting rid of Labour?
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Looks as though ACT will have the same % as the Greens at the next election.
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Two ticks yellow is the problem, ACT voters should know party vote Act, candidate Nats except Epsom, any act candidate votes are a waste, they will never get another electorate, don’t say it make no difference cause MMP, because it can create at overhang
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:52am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I am aware. However voting Party Vote ACT is far from a ‘wasted vote’. Which is what BeaB is suggesting. Forgive me if I misread.
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:00am
- PeeJay
  
  Sure…….if you want a National government that will tinker with Labour policy and implement it slightly better, then fill your boots and two ticks blue. Sure you’ll see real change.
  
  The country needs change. Yes, National will be the largest party in government, but ACT policies (don’t agree with them all and certainly not a member) are more likely to see some real meaningful change to the country. ACT can be the spine that National badly needs. Two ticks blue is not the answer.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats have ruled out all draconian labour policies, show me just one they say they will retain? Or STFU
    
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    October 16, 2022 10:53am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The climate change policies, or most of them? I have read Wayne Mapp on here championing the EV rebate, one of the long line of stupid policies.
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:14am
    - PeeJay
      
      Strong level of debate G! You are usually better than this – don’t be a tool.
      
      Cast your mind back to the last time National came in after a Labour government – what policies were dropped versus what policies were tinkered with? Foreshore & Seabed – awesome. WFF? Nope – too hard. Realistically, a handful at best. National have a tendency to talk more than do – understandable because NZ is a relatively centrist country and they work with the electorate they have. Also, talk is cheap until you get the treasury benches, look into the books and see what you are actually dealing with (the hole in the accounts will probably be on a similar scale to the GFC). They also leave themselves with wriggle room, as all good politicians do. If they moved hard right, or even slightly right, on issues like the Treaty, welfare etc, they wouldn’t win. Best example of this was Brash – he tried but ultimately failed (lots on here forget that). Therefore I completely understand National’s pragmatic political approach – to do things, they need to win – that simple. Yep, they will unwind some parts of Labour’s agenda but not all – they will be pragmatic and push what they can and tinker with what they think the electorate won’t stomach – heck I’ll most likely give them my constituency vote. But my argument was not against National but against the idea of ‘two ticks blue’. There are options on the right – ACT are unlikely to win many electorates, but a high party vote is not out of reach. They are similar in some ways, but of the two, ACT have the stronger policies on areas that could make lasting change for NZ. The referendum on the treaty would be a game changer for NZ, changes to the public service etc – these policies could be game changers. All I said was, in relation to the original ‘two ticks blue’ that it might not be the only or best way forward.
      
      If you disagree, feel free to articulate your views. Happy to debate with anyone.
      
      There – might not be as concise as your attempt at debate but I’m quite comfortable with my ideas and quite happy to articulate them. So in summary, STFU? No……I don’t think I will thanks!
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:19am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        National have a tendency to talk more than do – understandable because NZ is a relatively centrist country and they work with the electorate they have.
        
        Yeah, yeah, but here’s the key point: the fucking left don’t operate like that. They don’t give a shit that we’re a “relatively centrist” country, they just keep pushing the Overton Window further left on every issue, win, lose or draw.
        The Precious Midpoint:
        
        The midpoint is there to be moved, not just accommodated while others move it.
        
        Or read Advice from the peanut gallery to see Thatcher writing of the post-WWII Tories, and the squishes in the 1970’s GOP warning about that dangerous extremist, Reagan.
        
        This sounds familiar:
        
        When it matters, Republicans look around and say, “Oh no we can’t do that, we’d lose a man. The Democrats would take seats.” They are virtually a majority for the sake of being a majority. They just want to polish it up, put it on the shelf, and look at it.
        …
        To put it simply, Republicans approach politics like America fights wars: They don’t want to lose a single man. Democrats, on the other hand? They look at politics like the Russians looked at Stalingrad: The congressman in front votes now; when they fall the next man gets elected and he will vote too.
        
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        October 16, 2022 2:15pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Opposition parties are like salespersons, they’ll say anything at all to get votes. To quote Key, ” I’ve noticed people say a lot of things before an election they don’t intend to do. ” (Paraphrased)
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:34am
- Surely Knott
  
  Don’t have a local National mp. And when I wrote to act they didn’t reply. So I wrote to the neighbouring national mp twice , also no reply.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:39am
- Prince
  
  I’d say Act is just as effective, probably more so if you want to actually make some changes.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:47am
- leoj
  
  No.
  National’s stink is too strong even with both nostrils blocked.
  Weak, woke, non-committal Luxon is a major problem.
  
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  October 16, 2022 3:52pm
MCōs

This is vaguely interesting
The moderator in a Senate candidate debate asks an obvious trick question and one of contenders can’t help himself.
https://twitter.com/heartlandsignal/status/1580729957550272513?s=61&t=cF_bA0XFfbdoi_iU-NkJ7Q
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October 16, 2022 10:08am
- Ghost
  
  Looking into New Zealand’s future. I think we’re going to have the same next year, mud flinging, people are tired of it and just want a government, an election, a media that stops or this crap
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:17am
- PeeJay
  
  Wouldn’t say it was a trick question. It’s the usual ‘fluffy’ question that gets asked at the end – happens a lot. Johnson was just being a dick – but it will work because the ‘Barnes is against America’ will stick. The problem is there are far too many tribal voters and not enough independents. If there were more independents then maybe dick moves like this could be eradicated – as it is, this kind of move might work – energises the ‘base’ and appeals to the few swing voters he’ll need to win.
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:43am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s a trick question in that while a graceless answer may appeal to his supporters it’s the swing votes that matter.
    I’ve seen an occasion where one candidate refused to answer. Went down like a lead balloon.
    
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    October 16, 2022 11:25am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Democrat Barnes is an Election denier. He claimed Trumps win was ‘rigged’. He said Trump was a ‘Russian Spy’.
  He also wants to ban all guns and ‘could not care less about the 2nd Amendment’.
  Johnson is right.
  Polls show Johnson 52 Barnes 46
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:16am
Tomtoddy

Journalism is a disgusting disgrace in this country. Lies, misleading information, distortions, naked bias, arrogance puerility, and more.

Try and challenge or correct anything, write to an editor or contributor and you are ignored. The few blogs that gather up useful ideas and give expression to a range of views is all we have left. Sad days.
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October 16, 2022 10:11am
- MCōs
  
  You’re onto it
  “Never forget, the press is the enemy. The establishment is the enemy. The professors are the enemy. Professors are the enemy. Write that on a blackboard 100 times and never forget it.”
  
  — Richard M. Nixon
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:13pm
Tomtoddy

Over 50 years of threats, warnings, shrill demands, claims of tipping points, end of civilisation, wild weather and climate change remains the matter of least importance to Americans according to the Washington Post.

Mind you these are the same people who elected Biden……..
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October 16, 2022 10:17am
Gravelroad

@BeaB
“Let National decide who they will work with once in government.”
No – sorry.
That’s what we did last time and the time before – albeit with Labour.
As I said in an earlier comment – you can’t blame voters if they don’t know the full story.
I don’t now trust politicians to put aside their personal agendas and hidden squabbles to form a viable grouping to govern in the best interests of the people.
We hear now that Mr Peters would never have gone with National because he wouldn’t work with Paula and Bill.
I didn’t know that when I voted.
More honesty and disclosure required – not less.
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October 16, 2022 10:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You had to be yo e deaf not to Know Peters hated English and threatened utu
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I’m not deaf.
    But neither am I a political “insider”.
    Perhaps you need to get out more and broaden your horizons.
    
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    October 16, 2022 11:07am
    - Ghost
      
      Don’t need to be a political insider, when Peter’s super payments were leaked did you seriously think Winston would work with national after that? He blamed them for that leak, even though it wasn’t. You didn’t have to know about the bad blood between him and English, although that was visible if you ever watched questions time
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:21am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @Ghost-
        The recent voter turn-out in the local body elections illustrated just how disinterested in (and disconnected) many, many people are from local and national politics and associated game playing.
        But of course, it is easier for the politicians and their advisors to blame the voters for that – eh.
        As for question time – do you suggest I take off time from work to watch regularly and try to form an opinion of who gets on with who – and who they might support later – amid all the yelling of abuse and time wasting with patsy, mind-numbing questions?
        Get real, Ghost.
        
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        October 16, 2022 11:55am
      - Ghost
        
        Question time is repeated at night time and on YouTube. I do suggest people do their research before casting their vote instead of blaming the politicians that they voted for when it was as plain as day that Winston would not go with national. You would be blind or stupid to not see Winston blaming national for the super leak. And you would have to be completely stupid to think voting labour to keep the greens out would ever work
        
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        October 16, 2022 12:05pm
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mt-roskill-shooting-victim-determined-to-be-fit-again/PQHTZ2ZQWVBPFD6S7RQA5TYMYY/
Young mother shot with air rifle by street racers, Judge dampening the bus tickets as we speak.
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October 16, 2022 10:20am
TripeWryter

Shakespeare didn’t appeal to me all that much when I was at school.
It was quite foreign to me.
But as I’ve got older I’ve come to see that the man was a genius whose work is performed all over the world and down the centuries.
I’ve seen two versions on film of Romeo and Juliet – the greatest love story ever told.
My children loved Shakespeare. That had me scratching my head but I encouraged them.
Two of them performed in the Sheila Winn schools competition, which the government agency Creative New Zealand has decided not to fund any more because Shakespeare is ‘paternalistic’ and ‘a canon of imperialism’.
Two nieces also performed, and also with distinction.
The cretins are in positions of power.
I am always amused when small-minded people, little, undistinguished people, aim petty criticisms at other people who have done, well, Great.
The music-reviewers who have never composed a single note who will observe airily that Lorde, for example, has produced an average or mediocre album.
Now, Ella Yelich-O’Connor does not produce music for people like me – old, male.
But I recognise that she has a quality and a creative streak that is well above-average.
I was reminded this last week that it’s just over 50 years ago – 1968, from memory – when libraries in Britain decided that Enid Blyton’s books were Bad.
Bad beyond redemption, I remember an English academic proclaiming.
Blyton’s books were ‘middle class’, ‘colonialist’, and ‘second-rate and not well written’.
And let’s not forget the moral panic about what Noddy and Big Ted might have been doing under the blankets in their Toyland bed …
New Zealand libarians and schools followed.
The New Zealand Herald quoted an academic (what else?) from Victoria University (where else?) as opining that Shakespeare had no relevance to modern-day ‘Aotearoa’. (Of course there has to be ‘Aotearoa’).
We should be finding and telling our own stories, she said.
Which is true. But abandoning the works of one of the world’s greatest writers and playwrights is not necessarily going to bring that about.
Many years ago my son was part of a film project. It was a New Zealand project with a ‘Maori’ story. The lead actor was a Maori but the main actress was pakeha.
They approached Creative NZ. They needed money. The hurdles presented were so many and so great that they abandoned the project.
Creative NZ had, in effect, appointed itself the roles of writer, producer, director, director of photography, and so on, and worse, spelled out how the script was to be changed ‘to better reflect the experience of colonialist takeover in Aotearoa’.
That was 20 or so years ago.
My son and his friends abandoned the project because they would not be making ‘their’ film.
Outfits like Creative NZ should never be allowed to become arbiters of what should be seen, heard, or read in performances, films, in books and on Kindles.
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October 16, 2022 10:23am
Ghost

Can Liz Truss outlast a lettuce?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0
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October 16, 2022 10:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think she is guaranteed one full year by constitution, she says she learned by her mistakes, surely the party will work this out
  
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  October 16, 2022 10:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Here is a good interview of new Chancellor Jeremy Hunt as he tries to steady the ship.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ik6ms0uJnk&t=674s
    He comes across quite well and does get asked some challenging questions.
    
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    October 16, 2022 11:06am
    - kevn
      
      @All on…. Hunt is another lockdown/zero covid enthusiast. Unless he has changed his ‘spots’.
      
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      October 16, 2022 11:23am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        And a Remainer.
        
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        October 16, 2022 2:03pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Bring back Boris! If he rid himself of his loopy Mrs, he’d be quids in.
      
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      October 16, 2022 12:04pm
      - cjn
        
        That’s very unlikely. He was married in a Roman Catholic ceremony even tho she had bare feet. Also he is mad keen on spending UK’s money arming and training the Ukrainians to defeat Russia. Encouraging Zelenski to march on Moscow . Although Boris lead the Brexit campaign he has taken the UK into Europe’s Big Adventure.
        
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        October 16, 2022 9:45pm
  - kowtow
    
    Constitution?
    
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    October 16, 2022 2:25pm
  - Ghost
    
    Can the Tories Actually Get Rid of Her Now?
    
    I Yes. Party rules should mean Truss is in theory immune from a leadership challenge for a year. But political realities make things fluid, and the rules can be changed in an afternoon if enough MPs urge the executive of the backbench 1922 Committee — which oversees leadership issues — to do so.
    
    While some MPs have said they have written to its veteran chairman Graham Brady to urge a change, much will depend on the pressure reaching a critical mass. For now, there are still some Tory MPs saying publicly she should be given a chance to prove herself and turn the opinion polls around.
    
    Some of Truss’s Top Team Say Her Project May Already Be Over
    
    Beyond a formal vote on her leadership, an avalanche of Cabinet and ministerial resignations could also bring her down. That’s what happened with Johnson in July, but the odds are slim for a new leader especially as she has stuffed her top team with political allies.
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-13/can-liz-truss-survive
    
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    October 16, 2022 9:55pm
Ghost

Should the government bring in payments? I tend to think that this is more an issue for sick leave.

Monkeypox: Calls for Government to introduce isolation payment, concerns lack of support could discourage isolation and testing

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/monkeypox-calls-for-government-to-introduce-isolation-payment-concerns-lack-of-support-could-discourage-isolation-and-testing.html
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October 16, 2022 10:34am
- rouppe
  
  Monkey pox is a communicable disease that can only be caught by bad hygiene practices, like all STD’s.
  
  It’s not everyone else’s fault or problem if you choose to be unhygienic.
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  About the gay community: “concerns lack of support could discourage isolation”
  
  About the general public: stay home or you’ll spend a night in the cells. You’ll need to leave relatives to die alone. No, you can’t have that medical treatment. You can’t return to your country – live on the streets somewhere until we’ll have you back. You’re fired for not taking the jab. You are a river of filth. No school for your kids. Etc, etc
  
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  October 16, 2022 1:32pm
Inandout

Tulsi has seen the dark side of the Dems and it is not pretty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AD1Ub8IflU&t=153s
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October 16, 2022 10:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She has firmed to third on the betting numbers behind trump and the guv of Florida to be the GOP prez candidate , it’s very strange she was shunned when standing in Dems
  
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  October 16, 2022 11:01am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The Democrat Party: “an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness”:
  
  But the real lesson here will be learned inside the Democrat Party, just as it was with the rise of Bill Clinton, himself a product, and leader, of the Democrat Leadership Council that rose in power through the 1980’s trying to modernise the Party to deal with the Reagan Revolution, and which sealed the deal in the wake of the Party losing its third Presidential election in a row in 1988.
  
  Or will it be learned? Even as Clinton won his second Presidential term in 1996 the knives were out for the DLC, “triangulation” and all the rest of the Clinton ways. It would take until 2008 before that crowd got the bit between their teeth with Barack Obama and declared – not so quietly and subtly – that the days of moderation were at an end.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:02pm
rouppe

Winston Peters says :

NZ First leader Winston Peters told more than 80 party members gathered at the Rydges hotel in Christchurch on Saturday that his party was the missing ingredient for a successful Labour Government.

A vote for NZ First is STILL a vote for Labour
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October 16, 2022 11:28am
- Colville
  
  I think its great.
  There is a hard rump of voters that will NEVER vote National and they are always looking for an alternative, so a fair chance for 2 or 3% of votes to be wasted (NZF) with TOP looking like they could take 3% as well.
  With Nat (39%) and ACT (9%) they would romp in with a 6 – 8% wasted vote. 68 seats?
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:17pm
Chris Nisbet

NewsHub headline…
‘Our democracy is under threat’: Peters will refuse Govt with Labour unless push for equal Māori leadership dropped

Which I take to mean Winston will work with Labour – all that needs to happen is for somebody to think up some weasel words that can be twisted to mean Labour aren’t pushing equal Maori leadership.

I don’t trust the guy any further than I can kick him.
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October 16, 2022 11:29am
- Its only I
  
  Does it really matter what Winston says today?
  Tomorrow is a completely new day with a completely new set of opportunities for Winston, not his supporters, Winston.
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:15pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Winston has to get five percent first and that’ll be like trying to push diarrhea uphill with a Porcupine Quill.
    
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    October 16, 2022 12:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nancy gonna punch Trump out.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=401298278877797&set=a.382169770790648
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October 16, 2022 12:00pm
- MCōs
  
  I think there’d be a few people would like to have thumped Trump on 1/6, but you already knew that.
  https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1580712690766712833?s=61&t=lp4kygW_znAQdlTYPoHa-A
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pelosi punch Trump out LOL!
    Do you remember when Pelosi and her cohorts ‘took a knee’ for some attention gathering? She could not get up, had to be helped up.
    
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    October 16, 2022 1:13pm
Unity

Is anyone else unable to access comments on ‘Casey Costello on Labour deciding who is and is not Maori’ on Kiwiblog today. Is it being blocked?
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October 16, 2022 12:46pm
- Ghost
  
  What’s the link to it?
  
  Never mind, it hasn’t been published yet
  
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  October 16, 2022 12:52pm
Yvette

I’ll Be Back – time travel permitting
And Peters will position himself as the defender of the majority of Māori who are bearing the brunt of government policies and recession. In contrast, Peters argues Labour politicians are only concerned with more elite, cultural issues: “The sad thing is that while politicians like Willie Jackson push their pet project for a certain Maori elite, Maori housing, health, education, and incomes remain on the scrap heap of their political concerns.” – Bryce Edwards: Can NZ First once again fill the vacuum at the centre of politics?
https://democracyproject.nz/2022/10/14/bryce-edwards-can-nz-first-once-again-fill-the-vacuum-at-the-centre-of-politics/

Not only does Jacinda’s yet-to-be-defined “co-governance” have the potential to drive a wedge between Maori and non-Maori, it may also – as Bryce Edwards indicates above – split Maori into the ēlite and not-so-ēlite,
So some ēlite Maori may become More-First than other First Immigrants

If, as some predict, Jacinda leaves New Zealand, her legacy may leave a country behind her, but not really a nation – multiple THEYs again, rather than an US.

But does Winston offer any real solutions, or just half-truths?
One half may serve to emphasise how divisive Labour may be –
But we already know that
So what of the other half Winston offers?
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October 16, 2022 12:46pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Yes, this “ēlite” is Maoridom’s dirty little secret. The chieftain class, the iwi elite, are making serious bank. Not the average Maori. Hence, I no longer say things like “Maoris want X now!” Inaccurate and racist.
  
  I also no longer use “Maori” in the plural. We use “s” or “es” for 99% of plurals in English. English grammar rules, not Maori, when speaking English. Sorry, te reo tyrants.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:55pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300713495/four-dead-in-separate-crashes-in-just-two-days-on-the-roads
What has happened to the “Road to Zero” crap from the Govt ? Just millions of $$ on slogans, never was going to be a zero road toll, not as long as humans behave like humans.
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October 16, 2022 1:55pm
Jack5

How extreme the British pension fund crisis has been is emerging at a readable level for us plebs.

At its heart have been LDI’s – liability driven investment funds – that use “derivatives”, futures-type investing, in this case to hedge against interest-rate changes. As in most futures-type products, these come with liability for “calls” for more money from the investor as a market changes over specified limits.

The Telegraph says LDI’s are in danger of being to the current crisis what credit default swaps and collateralised debt obligations were to the financial crash in 2008.

In the current crisis, pension fund managers were caught by the speed at which gilt (Government bond) prices fell – and yields rose – after Truss’s mini-Budget.

As bond prices fell, pension funds were forced to inject fresh capital to meet margin calls.

The Telegraph says the quickest way to raise cash to pump into the LDI’s was to sell the most liquid assets held, the gilts. Selling pushed their prices lower, which in turn led to further margin calls as limits were again breached.

A group of LDI managers asked the Bank of England to intervene.

Had the central bank not intervened, mass insolvencies of pension funds could have happened by the afternoon.

According to commentators, the margin calls led to a situation similar to that experienced by Northern Rock in 2008, though borrowing short term and lending long term was likely the bigger problem for it.

Northern Rock was a northern England building society that demutulaised and floated on the Stock Exchange as a bank. It collapsed during in the Global Financial Crisis of 2007-2008, the first British bank to fail in a “bank run” in 150 years.

If anyone’s too young to know what a “bank run” is, here’s a definition from Investopedia:

A bank run occurs when a large number of customers of a bank or other financial institution withdraw their deposits simultaneously over concerns about the bank’s solvency. As more people withdraw their funds, the probability of default increases, prompting more people to withdraw their deposits.
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October 16, 2022 2:01pm
- Jack5
  
  Edit: A group of ~~LDI~~ pension fund managers asked the Bank of England to intervene.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:09pm
- mogg
  
  If you are such an expert on risk why are international investors still willing to lend money to UK govt at 4.3% for 10 yr bond. Meanwhile those very same investors are demanding 4.473% on NZ govt 10 yr bond. Again they are judgements made by professionals who put their money where their mouth is, not your windbag “commentators”.
  
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  October 16, 2022 2:43pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “not your windbag “commentators”.
    
    And yet here you are, adding dollops of snark and zero value.
    
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    October 16, 2022 4:04pm
    - mogg
      
      Where is the comment inaccurate, everything in a capitalist economy comes from these markets not the opinions of bystanders. All the info is there in black and white if you know what you are looking at.
      If you think bond markets are of zero value you couldn’t be more wrong.
      
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      October 16, 2022 5:20pm
Ghost

YouTube video “ Russian propaganda about Russians moving to the U.S…”, made me laugh and think it’s not far off New Zealand as well, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0yl0_PdDY
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October 16, 2022 2:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://nz.yahoo.com/news/onion-skewers-saudi-golf-tourney-010456143.html
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October 16, 2022 2:50pm
Takere

And this is why the Nat’s and LINO should hook up in 2023 as a Grande Coalition. Neither are much different from each other.

Im still sticking with a hung parliament.
With Winnie kicking off his 2023 campaign this weekend, it should be fun watching the Nat’s and LINO sweat it out all the way up until the election and post election.

If Winnie becomes the ‘Gender – King or Queen’ of 2023, we can be assured of one thing. The Gweens will be truly dead or at least out of government. Woo Hooo!

Winnie could be right when he says that LINO will pull a sneaky early election, because that’s about the only thing that tactically would put the opposition off balance. Neither party would have collected many donations by now after the SFO Fraud court cases involving all of them. Nobody will be willing to stump up any large sums of cash at all any more.

I wonder what TAB odds I can get for calling for an early election in 2023 and another election by the end of 2024?
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October 16, 2022 2:57pm
- Ghost
  
  National are doing well with donations
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-party-donations-paula-bennett-organises-18-million-in-funds-from-wealthy-new-zealanders/X33SIFFZ2HEOH5VFWOMCAT6M4M/
  
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  October 16, 2022 3:09pm
  - [email protected]
    
    Article paywalled. Don’t want anyone to realize that National is effective at fund raising.
    
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    October 16, 2022 7:14pm
    - Ghost
      
      Laughing that they didn’t paywall this one
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-official-says-nationals-18m-donations-in-paula-bennett-fundraising-drive-worrying/L3X33UWVVZ334UC33IDW6PNK7Y/
      
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      October 16, 2022 7:16pm
- mogg
  
  There are plenty of people in Winston’s Super Gold Card club who will be strongly against Jacinda’s new way. They will want to hear somebody put their concerns into words. which only Winston is happy to do. The door has been left wide open, I predict Winston will gallop past the 5% threshold with ease,and 2024 will see the return of Winston as Foreign Minister.
  
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  October 16, 2022 3:45pm
  - Colville
    
    Yeah it’s possible that there are enough befuddled and confused dodderers who are stupid enough to vote for the man who caused this shit storm.
    
    But I hope not.
    
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    October 16, 2022 4:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Description is in the link.
https://rumble.com/v1muyv6-elon-musk-is-buying-twitter-after-all-and-libs-are-going-nuts.html?
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October 16, 2022 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

81 million right? Sorry Joe, you have been used and abused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7seo_HxaN_I
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October 16, 2022 5:16pm
Tauhei Notts

I am getting the impression that Aucklanders voted wisely in their choice of mayor.
He has only been there one week, and there is a long time to go.
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October 16, 2022 5:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Other side is very quiet. Collins mention was on the Pacifica TV this morning.
  A lot of burnt fingers from those blowing their arse??
  
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  October 16, 2022 6:28pm
Ghost

First policy announcement, but I wouldn’t worry contacting Vodafone, they sold off their towers

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-announces-plan-to-fix-region-s-mobile-phone-blackspots.html

New Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown has revealed he’s launching “an initiative to fix the region’s mobile phone blackspots”, in what is his first policy announcement since his election last weekend.
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October 16, 2022 5:38pm
Colville

Hope we can duplicate this for Hawkes Bay!
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October 16, 2022 5:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Easy, just don’t vote for those who pull out the race card when they have no answer
  
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  October 16, 2022 6:30pm
Colville

Well Winston attracted 80 attendees to his conference. About the same amount of people I would attract to a birthday if I offered free pizza but bring your own booze.

Lame
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October 16, 2022 5:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He got more than Joe Biden?
  
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  October 16, 2022 6:30pm
Rumblestrip

I see Stuffed has a headline article, “How do we revive local democracy?”

The left was thrashed in the recent elections, so of course all of a sudden there is a “problem” to be “solved”…
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October 16, 2022 5:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Free KFC? Worked with the vaccine for some
  
  What about a dunk tank, every time you vote Jacinta will get dunked
  
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  October 16, 2022 6:04pm
  - Colville
    
    In acid?
    
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    October 16, 2022 6:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dunk tank? Best go with a sheep dip for the sheeple.
    Put in Ivermectin to get rid of the worms, and Hydroxychloroquine to boot.
    But that is for animals – think about that first.
    Now some Copper Sulfate to keep the sheep’s feet clean?
    Goodnight Lamb Chops, love you sheeple, Shari Lewis 🙂
    
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    October 16, 2022 6:44pm
Surely Knott

The Creative NZ shakespeare haters, have rejected shakespeare because ” his art runs counter to ‘decolonising Aotearoa’.”

Aren’t we treaty partners? How can you decolonise a partner? Why is one partner and their contributions being erased? Does decolonisation sound eeerily like dekulakisation? Does anti-coloniser talk increase violent crime against white people? How far are they planning to go with decolonisation? What is the end goal? If I am a coloniser and only a second class New Zealander in the NWO will I be sent a UK passport? Decolonisation is violent and negative. If they wanted to respect other NZers and at the same time increase NZ’s own identity including it’s indigenous culture and identity I would be all for that. But decolonising is deliberately destructive and hateful language.
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October 16, 2022 6:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

7.10 and the Speaker of the House told me to get outside.
I always follow the Speaker’s advice.
TTFN.
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October 16, 2022 7:13pm
Ghost

What a well behaved bear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sxyTVz8KY

Bear at shop vs rioters meme
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October 16, 2022 7:17pm
Ghost

Another week, another sector in crisis

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/quarantine-staff-concerned-over-biosecurity-gaps-at-border-as-auditing-team-gutted-workforce-hurtling-towards-burnout.html

Newshub can reveal concerns about biosecurity gaps at our border, with a chief quarantine officer warning key inspection teams have been “gutted”, rosters are “not fit for purpose” and workers are facing “burnout”.
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October 16, 2022 7:40pm
NZer In Exile

Mike Butler: Pre-colonisation, warts and all:

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/10/mike-butler-pre-colonisation-warts-and.html

Kind of gives a lot of excellent context to the many things in NZ that make one go “hmmmm”.
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October 16, 2022 8:03pm
Sir Henry Morgan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/murdered-teen-ariki-rigbys-sister-no-one-deserves-to-die-like-that/QZEXD2CLL44XW6FQ2GZYL73OSM/

Police investigate a burnt out car but somehow fail to notice the dead body inside it. Two days elapse before a member of the public eventually alerts police to the dead body.

How is that even possible?
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October 16, 2022 8:41pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They thought it was a sheep FFS. Wearing a necklace.
  I’m seriously worried about our police.
  
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  October 16, 2022 9:21pm
  - Ghost
    
    Does it matter? They made mistake, the family don’t seem to be making anything of it, they are more interested in catching the killer.
    
    Quick google finds this https://nypost.com/2021/07/29/canadian-authorities-mistake-womans-burnt-body-for-mannequin/. So I guess it’s not just nz police that make a mistake
    
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