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Benedict Yu

I was out and about in Christchurch yesterday during the groundswell protest. Hundreds of tractors and trucks. I pulled over in Moorhouse avenue and watched while I ate my 🍥 sushi lunch 🙂.

What struck me was the support they were receiving from both pedestrians and other motorists. Many drivers and passengers waving and tooting their support. Great stuff.
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October 21, 2022 8:04am
- Nick R
  
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  I was out and about in Wellington yesterday. Didn’t see any farmers, just the usual Voices for Freedom goons. And not very many of them. Groundswell has jumped the shark. Stick a fork in them, they’re done.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:07am
  - Hebe123
    
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    Groundswell screwed up last time round by telling VFF to keep their anti vax views away and they are all nutters, etc. Now they want support from same….
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:24am
    - pdm
      
      Pretty sure Groundswell do not want anything to do with VFF.
      
      You are wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:43am
      - Hebe123
        
        How?
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:17am
      - Nick R
        
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        I think it’s time to stop talking about Grounswell as if it were some grassroots group of farmers. It’s pretty clear it’s just VFF in gumboots. In Wellington, not even that. They couldn’t even be bothered to pretend.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:25am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        Groundswell should accept support from wherever it comes from and right now VFF are the most active supporters of them.
        They really should remember that poem’s ending and there being no one to stand for them because they didn’t stand for others first.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:32am
    - Than
      
      You are wrong in that Groundswell do not want VFF support. As pdm said, they want to stay as far away from anti-vaxx nutjobs as possible.
      
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      October 21, 2022 10:02am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I saw no anti vaccine signs at the Christchurch protest.
        
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        October 21, 2022 10:28am
      - Matt Long
        
        I think it’s fair to say Groundswell doesn’t want to be associated with fringe groups and have their message hijacked.
        However I recently say a headline that Groundswell was happy to accept support from VFF.
        
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        October 21, 2022 10:38am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Help. I think I’m a VFF nut job. I believe in vaccines that are tested for transmission, the bill of rights, and the right to refuse medical treatment. Fringe ideas?
        
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        October 21, 2022 12:04pm
  - cmm
    
    Stick a fork in Wellington.
    The silly outbursts from the new mayor show it is way past done.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:24am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Wellington is truly buggered. I can see a good book “Absolutely, Positively Sad: The rise and fall of Wellington from Blumsky to Whanau”
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:33am
      - RoboRob
        
        Central governments presence is the only reason Wellington survives. Being more charitable, perhaps without central govt Wellington would have evolved into a different city, but for now it is dependant on government jobs.
        
        The majority of the people either work directly for govt or in support industries. This is also why its a Labour stronghold and Labour guarantees more jobs and higher pay to many Wellingtonians.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:23am
  - Lee C
    
    You are all sausage, no sizzle, Nick.
    
    I’ll bet those ‘barbies’ have a totally different atmosphere theses days….
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:26am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “They’re done”. Not so fast Nick, there were a shitload of tractors on the Southern Motorway yesterday. And with regard to Wellington, that place is a lost cause. It’s full of inner city hipsters who rely on the Government for a job. Shift the Government,
    and dank and miserable Wellington would be done. And dusted.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      IVV – 100% correct. It was once a great city, it’s now a soulless, dreary place full of mostly dreary suits sucking off the taxpayer teat. The place has a horrible feel to it.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:56am
      - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
        
        Wellington is almost beyond saving. It is fast becoming the LA of NZ, except with shittier weather. That comparison is based on the lefty/woke cancer eating its humanity. Homeless numbers will grow, power cuts will become normal.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:27am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Clan, suits with cloth caps, trench coats and a predisposition to wear a beard. And more men wearing frocks and lipstick per capita than any other place in NZ.
        
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        October 21, 2022 11:56am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        To be fair to Wellington, it’s full of weirdos in part because they gravitate there from the rest of the country.
        
        You should be grateful for those of us who vote sensibly & have to put up with the dross from all over.
        
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        October 21, 2022 6:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shift the Govt? Yeah but not up here. Auckland does not want the bastards.
      They would not like Wayne Brown anyway.
      I suggest Waikikamukau
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        59 miles west should do it. Great place for parliament, not polluting cars or car parks.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:46am
  - Biscuit
    
    Nick, and I speak as a Wellingtonian, you could put a turkey up as a Labour candidate in this city and it would be elected to Parliament.
    
    Happily, winning Wellington isn’t required if one is to form a Government.
    
    The turkeys Wellington presently has as Members of Parliament – ooh, let’s see, Eagle, Robertson, Hipkins… – will sob into their lattes at the end of next year that ‘We had no idea…’
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:31am
    - pdm
      
      Are you sure Biscuit?
      
      I think secretly Labour are pleased Eagle ran 4th, promoted to 3rd, in the Mayoral race. A by election could have seen them lose Rongatai if National put up a decent candidate.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:47am
      - RoboRob
        
        I think Labour are pleased to avoid an ugly byelection. Not because they might have lost but because the attention it would bring to a govt minister who has not worked for the last year while on full pay while he auditioned for a new job.
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:25am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @RoboRob well they’re about to get a very ugly by-election in Hamilton East!
        
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        October 21, 2022 11:20am
      - Flossie
        
        Loddenthinks – that’ll be Hamilton West.
        
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        October 21, 2022 4:07pm
    - slightlyrighty
      
      I think Nicola Willis could surprise a few punters, and Chris Bishop could well win back Hutt South.
      
      Rongotai? I’m not sure about. Labour has had a stronghold on that seat for some time thanks to Annette King, but Paul Eagle shat the bed there.
      
      It’s worth noting that National won the Party Vote there in 2014.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:49am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Willis will stand in Ohariu, and she will thump O’Connor, doesn’t look like the Army truck driver who will not be standing as he is now mayor, it’s important to realise said Army truck driver received 27% of the volte last time, NZF will hardly receive any vote there this time
        
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        October 21, 2022 2:49pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Bishop is not quite as visible in the Hutt as he was – I think he is happy on the list now as it allows him to groom his ambitions for senior cabinet roles and ultimately PM.
        
        Still Anderson 0nly won the electorate because of the huge Labour swing due to COVID stupidity – could be very close in 2023…
        
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        October 21, 2022 6:29pm
      - Alwynn
        
        @G for Giant.
        By your wording about “Army truck driver” it sounds as if you are talking about Ron Mark. He didn’t run in Ohariu last election. He ran in Wairarapa where he got about 7% of the vote. It was nothing like the 27% you say.
        Are you referring to someone else?
        
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        October 21, 2022 7:04pm
    - kowtow
      
      There’s a silly wibble riddle.
      
      How can an eagle be a turkey .
      When it’s an Eagle.
      
      I’ll get me coat.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:50am
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah, you made me chuckle, kowtow!
        Have your first uptick on me!
        And, pdm and slightrightly, I trust you are both right! Literally AND politically…
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:00am
  - cjn
    
    You will be voting for Michael Wood. Using his language against fellow New Zealanders. I confirm what Yu said. It was a great combination in Morehouse Avenue and even the honeymooners emerging from their motel to discover that their car was boxed in by a tractor were heard to say “but I support the cause”.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:36am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The honeymooners probably decided that the Universe was telling them to go back to bed
      
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      October 21, 2022 4:18pm
  - Inandout
    
    NR, I was in Wellington yesterday and was glad there were no traffic holdups. This city is not designed for mass protests and thankfully the ‘super glue’ greenies had yesterday off. Whether Groundswell attract massive numbers or not, the mood of the country has changed to the right.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:36am
  - herb1
    
    Well done Nick R for being able to visually detect a farmer.
    I don’t have your skills , so at the Chch event I spoke to a lot of people and a number of them were farmers , 1 who drove over 200ks to be there.
    The surprising thing was , they all looked like us , or in the words of Jacinda( or more to the point ,the words and actions proscribed by the PR companies, Labour engaged) “ they are us”
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:36am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @herb1
      Quite right Herb.
      I am a farmer, but if NickR saw me walking along Lambton Quay or in the Back Benchers pub, he would think I was just another public servant.
      The days when all farmers came from HicksVille wearing ragged clothes and a hay stack hairstyle are well over.
      It doesn’t pay to judge by assumption.
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:18pm
  - Yabster
    
    lol out of touch socilaist speaks dribble yet again..
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:43am
  - wilderbeast
    
    There in lies the trouble Nick – physically and spiritually you’re stuck in Wellington. You can vote in your own mayor but the rest of NZ gets a say in the govt. The next few years are going to suck for you when the new govt slashes labour’s lazy, self interested bureaucracy to shreds. Some of you will have to get a real job.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some of them just can’t get a real job, that is why they are in the Public Sector, they are useless.
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:39am
  - leoj
    
    Back to your EV, driving alone while wearing a mask.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:21am
  - Liberty
    
    You can tell when a poster only listens to one source of truth.
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @BY-
  I wasn’t able to go to the event here yesterday, but have been previously – same result.
  It seems to be mainly left wing socialists who have no respect for primary production and export income derived from food and fibre.
  They are disconnected from the reality of survival.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:20am
- wilderbeast
  
  Well according to Minister O’Connor the turnout was “embarrassing”. I was tempted to email him last night night and tell him he is embarrassing. Evidently the Wellington protest was one of the smallest, which is a shame but it’s never been a stronghold for Groundswell. Living in rural NZ myself I can assure the Minister that there is very broad based support for GS that includes rural contractors, tradies, retailers, the farmers themselves and virtually everyone else who knows their community is underwritten by agriculture and / or horticulture. That includes school teachers and nurses too. O’Connor’s hubris and arrogance is emblematic of Labour full stop when it deals with people they can’t or won’t understand. They are facing a blood bath in the provinces at next years election, perhaps on a scale that hasn’t been seen for a generation. Talk at the pub and around the BBQ is that Ardern is a total phoney and BS artist whereas before the last election discussion centred around the Greens and tactical voting for Labour to prevent them having a say and destroying rural communities. Fear and loathing of a Labour majority now outstrips that, there will be no repeat of 2020 or anything even vaguely resembling it. Anti Ardern talk started in earnest about 12-18 months ago and was initially cautious due while people sussed out whether those they were talking to might still have faith in her, but now people just jump right in knowing the chances of that are virtually zero. Open revolt.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:31am
  - David Garrett
    
    wilder: Whatever the “talk in the pub and around the BBQ” might be, the reality is they are still polling 30%+. When support drops into the 20’s we can start taking the pub talk seriously.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:43am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Getting very close DG. Roy Morgan already has them there, and the others low – mid 30s. I also reckon modern polling overstates the left vote by 2-3 %, maybe more. But yes, you’re right, their vote is stubbornly high given how useless they are.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:45am
    - pdm
      
      DG – didn’t the last Roy Morgan Poll have them at 29%.
      
      That’s a start into the 20’s at least – roll on 24/25%
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:50am
      - Its only I
        
        Its safe when the only way Labour can get a boost in the polls is Ardern apologising for herself, her massive handler team and the direction Labour have taken NZ politics.
        
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        October 21, 2022 10:18am
    - Lance
      
      Considering some of the logic used by died in the wool Labour supporters (quotes from conversations I have heard directly)
      “I would never vote for John Key because he has Adolf Hitlers eyes”
      ” I am opposed to National cos John Key is a poofter”
      These deep intellectual types are Labours base
      
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      October 21, 2022 10:31am
    - Ra Henare
      
      May I suggest that the “labour vote”is actually a Jacinda fairy dust vote.
      
      Replace her with some pale male, and labour could quickly go to 25% or less.
      
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      October 21, 2022 2:24pm
  - Tricati
    
    Given it is the busiest time for all farmers, I suspect that’s why Labour released the ‘Farm Tax’ at this time. This would also account for a low turnout in some areas.
    As for O’Conner calling the protest an embarrassment, I think that speaks greatly of the man that’s meant to represent farming/agriculture within government – He is the embarrassment.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:49am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Indeed, really says something. Just like Labour LG candidates – loyal to their job’s purpose in name only
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:01am
    - Matt Long
      
      With their dressups to announce the new fart tax I found them very embarrassing.
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:50am
  - Weinerpoop
    
    Totally agree, I play Golden Oldies for a rural rugby club and Ardern jokes are now being told at the speeches during the aftermatch
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:41am
  - rockape
    
    What was embarrassing was him at AGFEST. He got abused by the locals ,didn’t turn up on the main day. He sent his staff down to ask the National team to stop sending our members up to abuse him. Of course we hadn’t it was just farmers ,gold miners and coal miners venting on Labour.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:43am
    - Trev
      
      He has lost a lot of support in the local electorate and seldom ventures in to Westland these days which is a Pugh stronghold. Most of Damien’s support is from Nelson even though he is from Buller. Damien whom I once supported and know personally has sold his soul to Labour. I hope Maureen Pugh takes the seat next election. It will be close. At least Maureen sticks up for the electorate.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If O’Connor had breakfast this morning he should thank a Farmer and a Truckie.
    Another dork that thinks food comes from the supermarket.
    What is the matter with these people?
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He said it with smug grinning, the support was in the regions where the election will be lost for Ardern
    
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    October 21, 2022 2:51pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”
Willie Jackson says democracy has changed from being the tyranny of the majority and people need to stop being scared of co-governance.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-says-democracy-has-changed-co-governance-is-good-act-leader-is-a-hypocrite/VZZAIF66LH76WWEXUXUXAZQ3XA/

In June a first draft was delivered to Jackson, but the minister never took it to Cabinet for consideration because he knew his colleagues wouldn’t support it.
At the time he told Newsroom he wasn’t comfortable with about 20 percent of what had been proposed and had asked the governance group set up to consult and draw up the plan to go back and try again.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-still-waiting-on-co-governance-draft-plan

So Willie is basically concerned that “his colleagues wouldn’t support it” – “being scared of co-governance” – so would vote against the proposals unless modified, exercising “the tyranny of the majority”

Will’e? No, he hasn’t yet …
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October 21, 2022 8:04am
- herb1
  
  Democracy is the “ tyranny of the majority” which Willy wants to change to the “tyranny of the minority”
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:39am
  - tavita
    
    Democracy only becomes a tyranny of anything if people vote on racist grounds. Those who see democracy as a tyranny are clearly racist.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:02am
  - kowtow
    
    A new tyranny in Nu Tirani.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:15am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    No herb1: the tyranny of the Rangatira.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:43am
Warren

While I don’t agree with the way the unemployment figure comes from the jobseekers benifit the media and Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni go out of their way to promote the drop of those on it to under 100,000 for the first time this week since 2019-20, but really the figures and truth are manipulated to suit the Government’s agenda.
So the true figures of our unemployment are as at the end of June 2022, jobseekers
benefit 170,763 of population in the working age bracket or 5.4 percentage of the population according to the Government’s figures.
Well now let me give you the other figures at the end of June 2022, there were 344,622 receiving the main benefit for working age people which is 11% of the population, there were those on a jobseekers benefit 170,763 5.4% of the population which I mentioned above, and there is also the 72,687 on the solo parents benefit with that being 2.4% of our population.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/20/jobseeker-numbers-below-100000-for-first-time-since-pandemic/
Now if Carmel Sepuloni and the Government want to con New Zealander’s over the correct figures of those on the unemployment circus why haven’t they reduced staff members and cut the wage bill that is paid for by the taxpayer instead of trying to trumpet a lie of their success in lowing unemployment.
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October 21, 2022 8:04am
- Tricati
  
  Sepuloni was a train wreck when on Hosking’s show this morning. Finally someone is asking about Job Seeker verses Unemployment numbers. The government, and its MSM enablers, have been crowing about low unemployment but behind the scene Job Seekers have risen significantly.
  Bit like Ardern’s child poverty numbers, they aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:55am
Benedict Yu

On 27 August Pfizer submitted an application to Medsafe for the approval of its pediatric covid vaccine for infants betwen the ages of 6 months and 4 years. This application has received zero media coverage. However it is disclosed on the Medsafe website.

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/status-of-applications.asp#Comirnatyu5

I discovered this from Julie Ann Genter’s twitter feed. Of all places 😄 (I don’t follow Julie Ann Genter. I was reading her tirade about the Auckland mayor’s attack on Auckland Transport and about cars in general. I incidentally read her tweets about the covid vaccine for babies.)

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1580375824557301760?t=7ytq4J-vLTc5S08QgcJsaA&s=19

Julie Ann Genter has been critical of the unavailability of the infant covid vaccine in New Zealand. Her partner has been asking her local MP why the infant covid vaccine is not available. Presumably because they are the parents of two infants, and they wish to vaccinate them.

Even if Medsafe approves the vaccine for infants, the government will need to agree to make it available.

In September, 6.2 percent of USA parents had taken up a first shot of the vaccine for infants. Take up has now stalled. So that is it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/covid-child-vaccination-rates-us-low

My prediction is that the Government will quietly approve the vaccine for infants. However there will be limited publicity and no radio ads encouraging parents to get their babies vaccinated. Such ads would fall on deaf ears. Nobody would listen. There is also a real danger that such an advertising campaign would distract from the desperate need to get parents back on track to vaccinate their kids for regular childhood diseases. You know, vaccines that are safe and which work. The zealots will track down the covid vaccine for their babies without needing prompting by the government.

Take up will be less than 2 percent.
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October 21, 2022 8:05am
- kevn
  
  @BY… JAG must think of herself as a clever ‘early adopter’ type. Without reading the infant jab data.
  Sorry for her children being shackled to such a mindset.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No the Greens are not ‘early adopters’. Rather they are destructive.
    
    You would think that with their opposition to Genetic Modification in farming and support for all things organic, that JAG would be reluctant to use an experimental vaccination on her kids, against a virus that presents close to zero danger to them.
    
    My only plausible hypothesis is this:
    
    “Right wing” folk like GMOs and farmers. GMOs and farmers = BAD.
    
    “Right wing” folk oppose vaccine mandates and attack Jacinda on COVID policies. Vaccines – GOOD.
    
    Nothing else makes sense 🙂
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – yup, poor bloody kids. It’s tantamount to child abuse, there are zero benefits for anyone under 50 let alone under 18.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:02am
    - mawm
      
      From John Ioannides – the median IFR for kids between 0 and 19 is 0.0003% – That is a chance of 3 in a million of those who get infected dying from covid. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1.full?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
      
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      October 21, 2022 10:24am
- rouppe
  
  I was at a party last weekend. In attendance was a Green Party supporter (if not a member, I didn’t ask) who had – get this – been paid $800 to be a human trialist for a 4th dose.
  
  Didn’t even know that was a thing, but that aside, how committed to the cause must one be to do that?!
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:28am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Religious types frequently self harm. There’s a strong psychological drive to asceticism and other pointless personal damage and suffering that shows up in all religions and cultures and produces feelings of virtue in the masochists in question. Eg the president of the Indian National Congress, once memorably observed, “It costs a lot of money to keep this man [Mahatma Ghandi] in poverty.”
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    “Committed” or just plain poor and stupid .
    
    They’re Green supporters for a reason , and one of those is a failure to engage the grey matter.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:13am
    - rouppe
      
      Well…. Certainly a very complicated person.
      
      Project Manager in IT, so not a campervan hippie. A trans-female, though I will say at this point absolutely not taking the piss with it.
      
      British (Scottish I think), and hard left politically. Refuted my assertion that I’d never vote Green because they were Marxists, but gleefully regaling anyone who’d listen about whether Truss would last longer than a lettuce, and then spitting out how many “fascist” governments had been elected in Europe recently.
      
      They’re definitely still out there
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:39am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        If s/he is an IT project manager & is any good then s/he won’t be doing it for the money. Which leaves personal conviction. Clearly a nutcase, but at least you can respect the balls-on-the-line approach, if I may say that.
        
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        October 21, 2022 7:06pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Ya must be pretty hard up to take only $800 for this experimental jab. Best of Irish luck to them. They will need it.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:10am
- NothingLeft
  
  Look at John Campbell’s (the Youtube Medical Educator, not the far left NZ ‘journalist’) latest on increased infant mortality, up from 0.2% to 0.5% in UK and Scotland in wake of 2021 covid vaccinations (which he carefully does not say in order to avoid censorship). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj4rE0LrpR0
  
  It’s nuts to vaccinate kids or infants when the risk from covid decreases with youth and the damage/risk from vaccines appears to increase. A recent study showed around 2.5% of adolescents vaccinated present indications of at least some heart damage.
  
  It’s inexcusable to keep pushing damaging vaccines on kids who are at effectively zero risk of dying from covid. “First, do no harm”
  
  Mansanguan et al, from the Bhumibol Adulyadej Hospital, Bangkok, Thailand.[iii] Adolescents age 13-18 were studied in a prospective cohort manner just after the second injection of the Pfizer vaccine and 7/301 (23,256/million) developed myocarditis using a clinical definition based on blood tests, ECG, and cardiac imaging.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    John Campbell also posted a useful video about current mortality rates in Australia. IIRC about 30 percent above baseline historical mortality. Nobody in charge wants to talk about it. I expect Youtube will shut him down any day.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:54am
    - NothingLeft
      
      We are presented with a great opportunity to identify and promote better scientific and medical establishment leadership. Establishment medical experts and bureaucrats that have and are studiously avoiding data are clearly anti-science, serving only themselves and their industry patrons and are unfit for the jobs they are in. They should be removed from all decision making positions (and perhaps the industry) ASAP and replaced by scientists and doctors who saw the problem early, and were brave enough to complain. In short fire the venal establishment and replace them with people who have demonstrated the intelligence, curiosity, ethical grounding, courage and respect for truth necessary to best serve society.
      
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      October 21, 2022 1:24pm
  - Phronesis
    
    The not saying it part was hilarious. Censorship has its practical limits and sometimes silence speaks louder than words.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:26am
- Simon
  
  Lol – Medsafe.
  
  Meanwhile: From Oz jaxx injury assistance.
  
  Who can get it
  You need to meet eligibility requirements to get financial support under the COVID-19 vaccine claims scheme.
  
  To be eligible you need to have met all of the following. You must have:
  
  received a Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) approved COVID-19 vaccine
  met the definition of harm, like one of the clinical conditions listed in the policy
  been admitted to hospital as an inpatient because of the harm you suffered or seek a waiver
  losses or expenses of $1,000 or more, excluding pain and suffering, due to the COVID-19 vaccination.
  
  You can find more information about the COVID-19 vaccine claims scheme and policy on the Department of Health and Aged Care website.
  
  https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/who-can-get-support-under-covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme?context=55953
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:01am
Yvette

“Co-governance”
Once the draft plan is approved by Cabinet it will go out to the rest of New Zealand for consultation. Māori were consulted first and the feedback received from the 70 hui across the country was used to inform the proposal.

Jackson told Newsroom it would have been preferable if Cabinet had been able to assess and sign off the draft three or four months ago so consultation with the rest of the country could already be underway.

Jackson said there’s only about six weeks of available consultation time left this year, and he doesn’t believe that’s enough “given the type of critique of Māori issues that is going on by some parties at the moment”.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-still-waiting-on-co-governance-draft-plan

So targeted Maori ēlite were consulted for over six months in 70 hui across the country
Jackson has take over four months to revise that response.
Now, “there’s only about six weeks of available [nation-wide, non-Maori] consultation time left this year”

Willie Jackson is right – democracy has changed
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October 21, 2022 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  ” The word democracy comes from the Greek words of Demos, which means people, and Kratos, which means power or rule. So, democracy, basically, means the rule of the people. Democracy first started as a direct democracy in Greek cities, notably ancient Athens”
  
  Our democracy is no longer about the “people”
  
  It’s about the maori elites .
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:31am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Maorikratos?
    
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    October 21, 2022 6:41pm
- GBC
  
  Chris Trotter writes an interesting piece on this:
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/10/21/jacksons-trap/
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:37am
  - Ruahine
    
    Re: Chris Trotter.
    
    A little insight into what this government is really up to behind our backs.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Whatever cogoverance looks like it will be bad. There will be a firestorm. If that happens, Jacinda can stick to her guns and get wiped out at the election. Or throw the Maori Caucus overboard.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does anyone (apart from Jacinda Ardern and Nanaia Mahuta) understand how much 3-Waters is going to cost the Ratepayers of Auckland (and taxpayers of NZ)?

So far the government has sought to minimise discussion of Te Mana o te Wai statements with the public – sticking very closely to the vague and open-ended wording in the Bill. Only in Cabinet Papers does one see the full unbridled power of these instruments and realise that they are totally incompatible with a large infrastructure upgrade of this nature.

The government has fudged this issue with the public for far too long, but it won’t be able to treat their potential lenders with the same level of contempt.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/thomas-cranmer-its-stop-work-on-three-waters/
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October 21, 2022 8:09am
- Ghost
  
  They know, they just want to take the ownership away from the people
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Good summary of the debt problems with 3 waters.
  
  https://cranmer.substack.com/p/three-waters-and-the-debt-that-will?r=1q83zj
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:16am
- Yvette
  
  Maggi –The government won’t be able to treat their potential lenders with the same level of contempt.
  
  The ultimate economic idea of “3 Waters” is that consolidating assets will allow greater borrowing, but then surely the entities must own the assets to legally borrow against – not some ponzi idea that councils still hold shares – and if the whole deal goes tits up and turns to custard, a little like Kiwibuild or One Billion Trees or Lightyear Rail, won’t the entities-held assets be forfeit to whoever the international loan company is, or will the Government bail them out, so why not the Government foot the bill anyway – as at some time ithe entire amount must be payed back?
  Done …
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:23am
Frank the tank

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/20/nolte-democrats-eat-gop-dust-2022-generic-midterm-ballot/

Red Wave rising?
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October 21, 2022 8:09am
- cjn
  
  Perhaps a great Ukrainian victory will save the day.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  The plastic Paddy Catholic ,”keep the faith” creep in chief wants to spread abortion “rights” far and wide .
  
  Another raging hypocrite.
  
  Top concern of the US voter is inflation /economy . Same as here.
  
  But reading the media you’d think it was the weather , trace gasses , race and gender .
  
  Talk about disinformation .
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:56am
dave_c_

Being reported this am:

“Gaurav Sharma officially expelled from Labour after bringing party ‘into disrepute’ ”

I nearly fell about in hysterical laughter.

Labour are more than ‘already in disrepute’ in my view.
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October 21, 2022 8:09am
- I remember when
  
  What Gaurav Sharma has done is outmanuever the Labour Party at every opportunity.
  Whether Labour were going to ‘waka jump’ him, or not, in the last six months, it sounds likely enough.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:20am
- Ehlana
  
  If Labour officially expelled all the people who have brought their Party into disrepute, how many MPs would they have left? Enough to form the smallest party in Parliament today?
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We know the person bringing the Party into disrepute. It is not Sharma.
  It is the bully who refuses to debate the issue, so expels Sharma.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:29am
Yvette

“Co-governance”
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

Meanwhile, “co-governance” is part of “3 Waters” and the pre-cursor legislation for that, the Water Services Entities Bill, now in the Select Committee stage passing through Parliament, was introduced back on June 2.

So, surely, shouldn’t have the public nation-wide consultation on “co-governance” have happened well before then?
“Let’s do this” Jacinda … sometime sort of soon
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October 21, 2022 8:11am
- coge
  
  “Public consultation” = Predetermined outcomes.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:41am
Ghost

Nice bit of race baiting on newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/retirement-policies-not-working-for-tangata-whenua-report-suggests.html

Retirement policies not working for tangata whenua, report suggests
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October 21, 2022 8:14am
- rouppe
  
  Oh goodness that made my blood boil.
  
  Apparently now, all elderly Maori are kaumatua. Look, your retirement is based on how well you prepare for it. Preparing relies on your earning ability. Earning ability comes down to education and attitude.
  
  Draw your own conclusions
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:30am
  - Lance
    
    According to communist doctrine, a rocket scientist and a street sweeper should ern the same income.
    What was so bloody interesting was many moons a go I worked on a Kibbutz in Israel (great experience) but what was interesting was that one of the members told me the Kibbutz is supposed to be “communism in action”. The one thing that was universal EVERYONE had to work, unless you were actually dying, as in a coma, then you worked.
    Labour seem to have missed that ‘all must work’ part of their idealism.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:45am
- Hebe123
  
  The Maori are funding pakeha retirement? What a ridiculous statement. Bit like how pakeha taxes fund Maori to live in prison?
  
  I laughed at how Maori apparently do more work in retirement, helping in the voluntary sector… if that’s ramping up, what do they do before retirement?
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:34am
  - Ghost
    
    I find the voluntary interesting. Down here I’ve only ever seen, mostly elderly white woman with the occasionally white elderly male volunteering anywhere.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:44am
    - kowtow
      
      You mean like in the volunteer fire brigades .
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:09am
      - Ghost
        
        Why would a retire do that, we are talking about retires volunteering in their retirement
        
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        October 21, 2022 9:22am
    - Hebe123
      
      I volunteer at an org with 80 volunteers working at least one shift per fortnight.
      
      I was writing grant applications and surveyed to see how many Maori/Pacifica we had as Internal Affairs advised me in an informal discussion would improve our chances of getting grants.
      
      So I asked people to please disclose accurately as this would affect our ability to get grants.
      
      Zero.
      
      Lots of expats, the rest kiwi. Lots doing it on their day off, retirement time, or students. A few on ACC or “unable to work” with mental health issues. No Maori, no Pacifica. Not even one with 1/512.
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:26am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘So I asked people to please disclose accurately as this would affect our ability to get grants.’
        
        Once again that ethno fascism .
        
        Based on race , not need .
        
        Appalling.
        
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        October 21, 2022 1:05pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      On the marae
      
      By Maori, for Maori
      
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      October 21, 2022 7:13pm
- Opie
  
  They don’t work hard enough to save properly to enjoy retirement, and they aren’t healthy enough to live long enough to enjoy retirement, yet thats somehow my fault?
  
  As always, they want money thrown at them to make up for their shit choices fixing the result instead of the cause.
  
  Every day in the news it’s Maori want this, Maori want that. We don’t work but want a flash ute too.
  
  Just fuck off.
  
  5 years ago we all just got on as kiwis, now we are deliberately being pushed to hate each other.
  
  I suspect they are pushing to lower the retirement age for maoris. Next thing will be that you have to hire maoris in private sector roles to a certain percentage (this is already in place in government agencies). Given that no maoris apply for any of our roles I’m not sure how that will go. Oh wait I would ignore it anyway because I grew up learning not to base anything on someone’s race as all people are equal.
  
  All aboard the race train. Next stop south Africa. Where blacks can literally walk onto a farm and kill the owners with no repercussions. Then after not keeping the farm going they complain there isn’t enough food.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:36am
  - Dave
    
    Not all your fault, Opie. Apparently, it is the fault of “deep inequities caused by the state” which forces some ethnic groups to smoke more, become unhealthily fat, have more children over a longer period than they can afford.
    
    As ever, your voluntary contributions to the IRD to remedy this are of course welcome.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      The “environmentally concerned” students have school strikes for climate change. Maybe the “culturally concerned” Maori could have cigarette strikes, fast food strikes and sex strikes for systemic anti-racist change?
      
      I can pretty much guarantee that not smoking, healthier eating and a family size you can afford will make every system less “racist” towards you.
      
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      October 21, 2022 10:11am
    - Opie
      
      I think those deep inequalities are related to iq.
      
      Then again, maybe they are the smart ones as I’m the sucker paying 40k a year to ird while they complain about not having enough to retire with.
      
      Once upon a time I used to sit on the couch on a benefit smoking cigarettes and weed all day.
      
      We sit on the edge of a path that has no way back.
      
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      October 21, 2022 6:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    South Africa. My Grandfather left Capetown for that very reason. Thieves just would not stop. He gave away all of his beef and dairy, sheep and crops. The whole lot, given to neighbours. He then walked off the land and came to NZ. Leaving because he could not sell the land.
    This was just before WW1.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:40am
  - artemisia
    
    Sometimes wonder if anyone has added up the amount of specifically Maori funding from taxpayers. Creative NZ has been in the media recently, and not in a good way. But there is also a lot of race based health and housing funding. It is interesting to see the amount of funding for Maori health research, the amount must surely be delivering better outcomes. Right?
    
    And BTW funding is not targeting 17% of the population. Plenty of us have not seen a cent, nor do we wish to as we just got on with living and working the same as pretty much everyone else. Including in the case of my own extended family, heading over the ditch to live.
    
    (I do get some Maori land rent though, and also worked for a good while in the Maori sector, so have seen plenty of entitlement, and worse.)
    
    https://www.hrc.govt.nz/resources/research-repository
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:40pm
- I remember when
  
  retirement-policies-not-working-for-poor-white-pakeha-either-report-overlooks.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Class politics is so 19th Century
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:24am
Benedict Yu

This tweet from Julie Ann Genter captures the way the Greens think.

“Auckland Transport is mostly still continuing the 20th century social engineering project of forcing people to own and use a car to get most places/participate in society.”

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1582596995323043840?t=XX2ig_T2o8rGxmhjMhTAxA&s=19

No people own cars because they provide freedom to go where you wish to at any time throughout the country.

It is going to be fun watching Julie Ann over the next three years. 😂
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October 21, 2022 8:18am
- Ruahine
  
  Yes BY.
  The Greens with their dictator like underpinnings hate cars because cars allow choice and freedom. The bullying ‘do as you are told by us’ mentality of the so-called greens detest freedom for others. They do love the freedom for themselves though that comes from living on net taxpayer money.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I commented before that I am a ‘natural experiment’ on the issue of PT vs cars in New Zealand. I learned to drive 2 years after I arrived in New Zealand. (There is not much need for a car when you live in the inner city of places like London and Sydney.)
    
    I soon realised that New Zealand was a different story entirely. So I learned to drive. Got a great instructor and did it properly. My aim was to be a competent driver.
    
    In summary, owning a motor vehicle transformed my life in New Zealand. I have, literally, driven from Cape Reinga to Bluff and everywhere in between. I even still have my first car, a 2002 Toyota Celica, now closing in on 300,000 km 🙂
    
    If folk like JAG don’t want to own a car that is fine. But what gets me is that she is trying to engineer the nation to pander to a tiny minority. She is clearly enraged at the outcome of the Auckland Council election. Long may it continue.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:13am
    - rockape
      
      I agree, i settled in Nz for the hills beaches and the scenery. Doing all that by public transport doesn’t work. Genter may want to spend her time in NZ in Wellington cafes but I don’t there fore I need a car.
      Plus my wife commutes 35km every workday and that’s each way. When she finishes her. Shift at 1100 at night she isn’t getting on a bike for 35 km.
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:59am
- rouppe
  
  She’s detached from reality.
  
  I’ve mentioned before, but the other week it took me 90 minutes to get home using only public transport, for what would be a 20 minute trip in a car.
  
  The Greens don’t believe in public transport for themselves, shown by James Shaw choosing to fly between Auckland and Wellington rather than take the already available train. He would have all the technology required to undertake work while on that train
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Apart from the time loss, catching a bus in New Zealand cities exposes you to viruses, idiots and violence.
    
    The city bus interchange in Christchurch is becoming a no go zone.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130061719/bus-exchange-horror-as-large-group-of-teenagers-cheer-on-mass-brawl
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130195963/young-shoplifters-terrorising-shopkeepers-near-christchurch-bus-exchange
    
    “”The bus exchange is a microcosm of all the rotten parts of Christchurch all rolled up into one place in the central city.”” – OK then let’s catch a bus 🙂
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130215201/hell-of-a-nice-guy-critically-injured-in-central-christchurch-attack
    
    A man fighting for his life after he was allegedly assaulted in central Christchurch had “a heart of gold”, a shocked friend says.
    
    “It is believed a group of people chased the victim, a 61-year-old man, from near the bus interchange in Colombo St before he was attacked in Cashel St about 6.20pm on Tuesday.
    
    He suffered a serious head injury and was rushed to Christchurch Hospital where he remains in a critical condition.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/christchurch-businesses-edge-street-crime-rises
    
    Are you reading this Julie Ann Genter?
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:25am
    - kowtow
      
      The bus hub in Dunedin is not much better .
      
      And right in of the Cop Shop.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/more-disorder-dunedin-bus-hub
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:35am
    - rouppe
      
      Time loss is an excuse the liberal elite use to bypass what they impose on everyone else. Like I said, he’d have the technology to remain connected for most of the trip.
      
      One thing they could do is put a decent sleeper car on the overnight trips. No time loss then. However the cost is already more than a flight so a sleeper would be very expensive.
      However, the cost usually doesn’t matter to Greens, that’s why they’re artificially changing the price of cars. Shaw and the rest of them should walk the walk
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Julie-Anne Genter has a NZ Diver’s License.
    Why??
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:03am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Which is why Auckland Transport moved from West Auckland’s A grade Council Eco-building connected to the train station but moved to the inner city. And before moving they had shuttles to transport their own staff to meetings in the city because the trains were too slow. They complained WestAkd was Horrenderson. and then our own councillor, repeated it as a reason they deserved to move. The public are supposed to take the train, and live with high density social housing, but not for the elites and bureaucrats pushing the ideology..
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:40pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Quite frankly they should move back to Henderson where they, AT, belong.
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:51pm
- Dave
  
  “… fun watching Julie Ann over the next three years.”
  
  Longer, I would say. With young children, life without a car in NZ is very difficult – shopping, doctor visits, family/friend visits, holidays, getting to work, special treats and so on are usually very inconvenient; whereas living in Hong Kong with just my wife but without a car was a doddle. But even there, I gather that the Mass Transit Rail system owners made a profit from their real estate holdings rather than their transport system, and this in a territory with seven million people squeezed into a land area of 1100 sq km.
  
  On a pedantic note, there is a huge difference between
  
  No people own cars because…
  
  and
  
  No, people own cars because…
  
  Not that any sensible person would misunderstand.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:04am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep, can’t wait for her kids to treat JAG with disdain for her lame choices.
    
    “Muuum! No way can I go to the party on a biiiicycle”. So embarrassing!
    
    Or, watch her weasel out of her obligations by getting her mother in law or some such give the kids a lift so JAG can maintain her saint-like purity.
    
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    October 21, 2022 7:27pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  “Auckland Transport is mostly still continuing the 20th century social engineering project of forcing people to own and use a car….”
  
  Heh. I recall having an argument with her here on KB over a decade ago where she pulled the same argumentative stunt.
  
  Obviously it’s a framing effort to completely push the “forcing” angle out of the debate; “Your were forced to use car by our transport planners, so why object to being forced to use buses and trains now…”.
  
  It’s also obvious that despite its fundamental flaw she thinks it’s a great debating tactic, since she’s still using it all these years later.
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:52am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The little wet fool should have a chat to my elderly lady friend whose greatest sorrow now is losing her ability and freedom to drive wherever and whenever she wishes. The impact on her quality of life is tremendous. One day it may happen to JAG and her eco mob.
    
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    October 21, 2022 1:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m surprised Julie Ann’s not out there gluing her hands to the tarmac
  
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  October 21, 2022 7:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/stacy-abrams-explains-you-can-get-your-bills-down-to-zero-by-killing-yourself/?seyid=27519
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October 21, 2022 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  Breaking news: Climate Change Minister James Shaw, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Minister for Bullying Kieran McAnulty, and MPI Minister Dam O’Connor make a special announcement from a Wairarapa Calf shed.
  Today the government announces plans to deliver in the fight against climate change in a world first. Ms Ardern said farmers will experience huge market advantage and profitability gains.
  The plan is to decapitate all farmers and place their heads on pikes around the capital city Wellington, amongst all the benefits for farmers this policy would provide Ms Ardern said it would absoludely stop farmer suicides immediately and farmers would enjoy an enhanced view over the beautiful city of Wellington.
  Asked if he wasn’t also a farmer Minister O’Connor quickly stated he hadn’t burnt his daily quota of ten thousand litres of jet fuel yet and had a flight to catch.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Paul Ramsey Foundation has carried out an independent review of Australia’s response to the Covid Pandemic.

Full report here:

https://www.paulramsayfoundation.org.au/news-resources/fault-lines-an-independent-review-into-australias-response-to-covid-19

Major conclusions of relevance to NZ:
The review has found that key groups were excluded from financial support, some lockdowns and border closures were avoidable and schools should have remained open.

It sounds a warning to governments against the perils of overreach when dealing with future health crises. Low socio-economic families, women, children, aged care residents, people with disabilities, temporary migrants, multicultural communities, and others already experiencing disadvantage bore the brunt of the pandemic.
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October 21, 2022 8:20am
cmm

Herald asks whether Labour and Cindy have lost their stardust.

Well, to be frank, Labour didn’t have any. It was the Cindy Party that “won” in 2017. Labour itself has never been anything other than the 20-something % party that Little was fronting in 2017.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-five-years-in-have-labour-and-jacinda-ardern-lost-their-stardust/UKLQ65QVIJGYTGZNW2SWWSCRHI/
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October 21, 2022 8:21am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Never was such a thing, it was a labour and media construct. She was a young female untested career politician with no achievements and little back story who labour and the media turned into the second coming. It became a self fulfilling prophecy, particularly amongst young woman who saw her as a female icon. But it worked well for them and badly for most of NZ.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:30am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “particularly amongst young woman who saw her as a female icon”. Not quite Hugh, there have been functions where very powerful women in NZ have literally fallen to their knees in front of Ardern. The equally powerful men at these functions have been looking at each other going wtf is going on here?
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Agreed .
  
  The media gave her a free pass from the outset .
  
  Had she been from the blue team they’d have constantly pulled her down and pointed out her many failures . And the cartoonists would have had a field day.
  And once in power ,not due to anything she or her party had to offer , annointed by the hate filled revenge driven Peters, the media then promoted her way beyond her very limited abilidies.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:42am
- Raphael
  
  Ardern is a lying liar who lies. More people are realising this
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:43am
  - mawm
    
    Most people are also realising that she does not represent New Zealanders’ best interests and everything she does is behind their backs because she knows none of them would consent to it being done to them.
    In a similar vein so are Trudeau, Andrews, (Morrison), Albanese, (Johnson), Macron, Scholz, etc.
    I often wonder if a Ceausescu event will ever happen again. There must surely be a limit beyond which the ordinary citizen is driven.
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:16am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The Government and MSM hen party produced nothing but words, failure. destruction and denial.
  
  If you want a laugh have a look at Stuffed’s Difficult Conversation about Groundswell. A safe space for wankers.
  
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  October 21, 2022 1:20pm
Hugh Jarse

I heard Mallard being referred to in the media yesterday as the Grandfather of the house. I had never heard this term and wondered if it was just a way of rehabilitating him in the media and changing the narrative around him ?. Other than that I can’t see why anyone would regard him so fondly, he was nothing but a blight on NZ politics.
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October 21, 2022 8:22am
- Ghost
  
  Was that to do with all the kids? He was the father of the house which is the longest serving mp in the house
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:27am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yes I see that he was Father of the house for a short time since Nick Smith left, no mention of a Grandfather of the house though, but could be a play on words.
    
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    October 21, 2022 8:36am
- wilderbeast
  
  Totally graceless exit too, taking pot shots at the media. Funny tho that the release of the court decision labelling him illogical and irrational came out on his last day. Such a joke, just a selfish, destructive trougher
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    TradeMe Trev’s antics will not be forgotten.
    Free stuff given to him and he sold them. Could have given them away.
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:09am
- kowtow
  
  Hosking referred to Dullard’s valedictory this am and mentioned his saying something about Irene Van Dyke getting into the country and a legal matter.
  Can anyone elaborate , as I’m sure the rest of the media will omit to cover.
  
  Meanwhile we must always remember that this odious fellow set the state on protesters who had a right to protest there. A right that was partly established by his own arrest , conviiction and appeal .
  
  His proper title should be Hypocrite of the House .
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:46am
- kowtow
  
  More like The Godfather , in the Mario Puzo sense .
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:06am
  - Sacha
    
    More like the godfather’s 2ic – the dirty-worker.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The media are stupid. The term is “Father of the House”, the longest serving MP. It is used in all countries with the Westminster system.
  
  The current Father of the House of Commons is Sir Peter James Bottomley who has been an MP continuously since 1975.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bottomley
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:19am
- Gravyman2
  
  All history can be re-written comrade..
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Stalin was a grandfather. Just saying. Trevor’s not that important.
  
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  October 21, 2022 7:30pm
I remember when

Why do activists not understand what they are trying to achieve?
Of course blocking roads at peak hours is going to increase the public’s support for your cause.
Let’s spill some milk on the supermarket floor so that everyone becomes a vegan.

Why don’t they get more support?
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October 21, 2022 8:27am
- Ghost
  
  Counter protest, rub organic vegetables and fruit in meat
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:29am
MCōs

Liz Truss almost gone.

End of an error.
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October 21, 2022 8:29am
- Ghost
  
  She will be remembered for fighting for the rights of a lettuce to become internationally famous
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  The UK does not have leadership problems.
  
  The UK does have economic and cultural sovereignty problems. Globalist hegemonic interests are the hidden source of these problems, while proposing themselves as the solution.
  
  Is this the autumn of UK’s democracy, or will the people wake up as they (just) manage to for the Brexit vote.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:59am
  - Littletramp
    
    100%. The snake in the grass is the Bank of England.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:26am
    - mawm
      
      All set up by WEF wunderkind Mark Carney.
      
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      October 21, 2022 11:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I liked the name for her which I read a couple of days ago. There was talk of her emulating Thatcher, the “Iron Lady”. This wag called her “Tin Lizzie”. Excellent.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:13am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Wasn’t me was it? Because that was my title for a post about her on Oct 7, Iron Lady? Meet Tin Lizzie. 🙂
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s the one! Made me chuckle. 😁
      
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      October 22, 2022 7:22am
- rangitoto
  
  Bring back Boris!
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    No
    He is being lead by the Balls by his eco loonie wife
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lose her and Boris will be fine
      
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      October 21, 2022 11:14am
  - MCōs
    
    https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/1583268776522678273?s=61&t=7tBJ8V1KsRBpIbsjkDu1GA
    
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    October 21, 2022 2:48pm
I remember when

Good Lord, what is the world coming to?
Sharon Murdoch is starting to understand how satire works.
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October 21, 2022 8:29am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Yes, I was shocked this morning. But perhaps it was a thousand monkeys accident not to be repeated.
  
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  October 21, 2022 1:23pm
Surely Knott

The Herald says the Ozone hole is bad this year. The article claims that the most frequent culprits of ozone thinning are CFC’s which ” were phased out in the 1990’s.” So why is the hole so big this year did they get it wrong about CFC’s? Nope they don’t say that.. They say “Volcanic eruptions are another factor in ozone depletion. This is causing some experts to speculate that what we are currently seeing may be related to the underwater Tongan volcano’s eruption in January, which resulted in the largest explosion in recent history.”

It’s not clear who the “some experts are” or where the Herald’s Tongan volcano theory came from. Was this proposed by the Niwa expert quoted earlier in the article. Regardless, the Nasa data doesn’t seem to support the theory that reducing CFC’s reduced the ozone hole nor that this year’s is exceptional or caused by a volcano. The world banne
Year d CFC’s in 1987 and the Tongan Volcano was Jan this year.

And the size of the ozone hole isn’t uniquely large this year showing a one off volcano. It’s 26 million km2 this year measured Oct 5. It’s was 29mk2 in 2006 for example. 28km2 in 2015. And 24.8 mk2 in 2001.

Perhaps the Herald could give the sources of their volcano science and their claims so the rest of us can follow along.

https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/statistics/annual_data.html
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October 21, 2022 8:39am
- Biscuit
  
  ‘Some experts’ in jourmo-speak is quite often the very same person who is typing their article…
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It’s not clear who the “some experts are””
  
  You will be cancelled. The ONLY experts – on everything – are the Pink Terror and Michael Baker 🙂
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that Pink Terror on Labour’s List yet?
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Elon Musk
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:16am
- NoFax
  
  No, the reason is China cheats and still uses CFCs for cheaper refrigeration.
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-05-23/mystery-ozone-depleting-gas-tracked-to-china/11137546
  No matter what info is released by the CCP it’s probably a lie. So we are idiots for believing the CCP on anything – human rights, economic data, or environmental progress.
  
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  October 21, 2022 1:42pm
Hebe123

So the covid “vaccine” has now been added to the childhood schedule. This means that in states where kids have to have all the vaccines listed on the schedule to attend covid vaccine will be mandatory. Even though these kids are at next to no risk from covid. Even though we know the vaccine doesn’t work and there are huge safety signals.

Enlightened parents will move states or home school.

The vaccine companies have won. Future revenue stream secured with no liability.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-cdc-advisers-approve-adding-covid-shots-vaccine-schedules-2022-10-20/
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October 21, 2022 8:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  The vaccine companies won some time ago. They’ve now become brazen in their harm-for-profit model.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    KK – this article re the poison gnome Fauci is as disturbing as it is revealing.
    
    Exposed: How Anthony Fauci tortured vulnerable children in his obsessive hunt for an HIV vaccine
    
    ANTHONY Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden and director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) for 38 years, has resigned and is leaving his post in December. He also steps down as director of the National Institutes for Health (NIH); both organisations are government-funded.
    
    The 81-year-old virologist, who has served seven presidents, is quitting not because (as he says) he wants ‘new challenges’, but because of two books Robert F Kennedy Jnr (RFK) has written exposing him as a liar and a fraud, says Tony Lyons, President at Skyhorse Publishing, the independent publisher of both books.
    
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/exposed-how-anthony-fauci-tortured-vulnerable-children-in-his-obsessive-hunt-for-an-hiv-vaccine/
    
    This man is responsible for so much death, harm and misery.
    
    Scheff described how Dr Fauci’s NIAID and his Big Pharma partners turned black and Hispanic foster kids into lab rats, subjecting them to torture and abuse in a grim parade of unsupervised drug and vaccine studies: “This former convent houses a revolving stable of children who’ve been removed from their own homes by the Agency for Child Services [ACS]. These children are black, Hispanic, and poor. Many of their mothers had a history of drug abuse and have died. Once taken into ICC, the children become subjects of drug trials sponsored by [Dr Fauci’s] NIAID (a division of the National Institutes of Health), NICHD (the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development) in conjunction with some of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies – GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, Genentech, Chiron/Biocine and others.”
    
    Michael Baker in NZ is close behind, another proven liar – never forget his comment, “I never said masks don’t work” when he did.
    The globalists are now openly going about their work. We have a major war looming, democracy is on its knees everywhere.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:22am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Don’t worry by the ways the US polls are tilting the Feltch will be lucky not to be spending Thanksgiving 2023 behind bars.
      
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      October 21, 2022 9:30am
    - kevn
      
      @Clan… There is a part 2 to follow that ghastly part 1 Fauci story.
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  This just means that many parents will walk away from ALL vaccines for their kids.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:32am
  - Phronesis
    
    Yeah, it’s not good.
    
    Vaccine rates in NZ are already dropping fast. It makes sense really, after all if getting childhood vaccines was important then the Govt would be threatening parents with loss of employment and social exclusion. They aren’t, so clearly those vaccinations are less important than covid, and covid wasn’t exactly scary when everyone eventually got it.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If only the parents would understand that a Vaccine prevents the catching of a disease/virus, not give it to you.
    The Covid Vaccine is NOT a Vaccine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:30am
  - mawm
    
    American kids get something like 75 vaccines! There is also a correlation between the number of vaccines recommended and the rise of autism. I know the endlessly repeated mantra that “correlation is not causation” but there has been no major university nor large drug company looking into this. There are claims that thiomersal, an organomercurial compound used in vaccine sterilisation and as a preservative, crosses the blood brain barrier and causes brain damage. This has been denied but many countries are recommending its use be discontinued.
    
    Maybe the catastrophic drop in vaccine uptake will prompt a closer look at vaccine manufacturers’ behaviour.
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:41am
Raphael

So the Georgian (US state, not the country) governor (a Republican) introduced new restrictions on voting, tighter rules for mail-in voting, increased number of poll workers, changes to keep lines shorter, banning campaigners from handing out food and drink to people in the queue etc.
the Left predicted this would seriously decrease voter turnout. Well, they are voting at the moment and so far in the early voting, turn out is nearly double previous mid-term elections. The Left is now trying to claim that it means the gap between white and black voters is increasing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgia-outpacing-presidential-election-levels-early-midterms-voting/story?id=91750811
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October 21, 2022 8:42am
I remember when

I don’t understand how extra 3 Waters costs occur.
Surely regardless of whether the government or a Local Body do the work the cost is roughly the same.
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October 21, 2022 8:43am
- cmm
  
  It is always easy to add costs – just pass the business through Mahuta Water Services Inc to clip the ticket.
  
  What is harder though is to reduce costs.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:32am
- Matt Long
  
  Perhaps you would look at how the amalgamated poly technic sector has gone under the boy wonder Hipkins to shed some light on the matter.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:30am
Biscuit

Only 8.47am as I type and already I have seen the Tweet Of The Day:

On current pace, King Charles III could surpass his mother’s record of 15 British Prime Ministers before the end of 2024…
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October 21, 2022 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  The way that parliament could lurch to the extreme he might have more in common with his first Carolean predecessor than he thinks.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:03am
Tony Stuart

Dr Gaurav Sharma rained on Trevor Mallard’s valedictory parade yesterday, releasing a conversation between himself and Mallard which he had recorded. He says:

Trevor Mallard. After multiple requests, then Speaker of the House Trevor agreed to meet me in August. I raised with him various concerns that I had also raised with the Prime Minister’s Office – of numerous Labour MPs being bullied in Parliament, staff not showing up to work and being drunk, Relationship Manager (a Labour member who tried to stop me getting selected as a candidate in Hamilton) having a conflict of interest from day 0, as well as Labour MP misusing taxpayer’s money.
Trevor agreed that the Relationship Manager had a conflict of interest. He said he had known the Relationship Manager since they were a “wee child”.
He agreed to getting the CEO of Parliamentary Service to do a report on the whole issue which was never done. (Note that this is still not an independent investigation).
He also advised me that a complaint against a Labour Member (Kieran McAnulty) was going to be career-limiting.
I went to see Trevor Mallard because as the Speaker of the House he was the Minister Responsible for Parliament but instead of supporting me or investigating the whole issue, he went straight to the Labour Party Whips Office after my meeting with him, and told them that I had laid a complaint (I can prove this too).
When the new Speaker was sworn in, different party leaders also reflected on Trevor’s legacy. When I briefly mentioned how Trevor had mishandled my case and also not shown neutrality by letting the Labour Party Whips know about my complaint to him, he shouted at me in the Chamber calling me a “liar.” This short audio clip above just highlights what I was saying.

https://fb.watch/ghnCCNWezc/

It’s safe to say there’s not a lot of love lost between Dr Sharma and his former colleagues, but Sharma seems to have particular contempt for the former Speaker. It certainly seems on the face of it that Mallard say his role in this matter more about damage control for the Labour Party than facilitating assistance for an MP coming to him with allegations of bullying.
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October 21, 2022 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  The parliament press gallery will know all about these shenanigans ,but in order to keep “in” they keep “mum”.
  
  So much for holding power to account .
  
  They’re all in bed with each other …….
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:01am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, they’re worried about being bumped from the trip to Scott Base next week, so they’ll take the path of least resistance…
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:23am
    - kowtow
      
      I’dda thunk they’d be more worried about being pushed outta bed and missing out on, cough cough ,pillow talk.
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The MSM keeps telling us that Dr Sharma has no evidence of bullying or ill-treatment by Labour, so I wonder if they will pick up this evidence of Mallard’s deviousness?
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Not a chance.
    Our media are possibly even more devious than the pollies they pretend to hold to account.
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:29am
- NothingLeft
  
  Possibly not the worst speaker in living memory, but it would be a close-run thing.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    For me, far and away the worst Speaker in my lifetime. I never thought Dr Gerry Wall would be surpassed, but Mallard plumbed even greater depths. The High Court decision yesterday proclaiming his trespass notices to have been “irrational” was the final indignity.
    
    Sorry Ireland. Please understand that most Kiwis would not want this man inflicted on you!
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:26am
- mandk
  
  The good Doctor displays sound judgement in having a particular contempt for Mallard.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:06am
rouppe

Michael Wood has announced one of the most significant announcements for the future of public transport in Aotearoa New Zealand for many years.

Cubic, an American public transport company, would be delivering the technology.

We already have several working technologies. Snapper, Bee, the AT card. Why a whole new one?
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October 21, 2022 9:10am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but he’ll be on Cubic’s staff when his sad arse is kicked out of Govt next year.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I would suggest there is a “brown envelope” somewhere in the picture.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:30am
- cmm
  
  So the biggest question is still this: Will it put bums on seats?
  
  In Chch they halved the price of bus tickets and still they did not come.
  
  Average occupancy of buses in Chch is less than 2 passengers.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:34am
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t believe that stat.
    Where did you get it?
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:25pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Wood said it was “one of the most significant announcements for the future of public transport in Aotearoa New Zealand for many years”.
  
  “To encourage public transport as the preferred travel choice for more people, more often, we must invest in modern technologies to improve the customer experience,” he said.”
  __________
  I suggest that they focus on stopping people being stabbed at the Christchurch Bus Interchange. That might improve the ‘customer experience’.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:35am
  - rouppe
    
    Succinct, blunt and 100% correct.
    
    Benedict for Mayor of Christchurch!
    
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    October 21, 2022 9:47am
- Ruahine
  
  Tracking people. When and where they go will be made easier.
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:44am
  - MCōs
    
    Same as now.
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      Cell phones are much better for tracking because most people have one, turned on 24/7.
      Furthermore
      Guys that have just robbed yet another Jewelry Warehouse aka Michael Hill, don’t hot foot it to the bus stop.
      
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      October 21, 2022 3:30pm
- patreon_36178434
  
  So that a centralised agency can obtain information on everyones travel through the whole of NZ. Or possibly the Communist State of Aotearoa by then
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:46am
  - cmm
    
    Plug in your social credit score to see if you can ride today.
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have a Gold AT Hop card. Used it twice since I got it 5 years ago. Free when off peak. Once to get from the Shore to Auckland Hospital and back. Allergy testing.
  Can’t remember the second use.
  Thing is, it works. Michael Wood should just piss off. If it is not broken it does not need fixing. What is it with lefties and tampering?
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:48am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Aw c’mon Steve, don’t be so naive. The new “technology” or card or whatever will be branded Labour!!
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:18pm
    - Nickc2
      
      The new technology will also make it easier for Govt Entities including Police to trace everyone’s movements via Public Transport eh?
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s what it is all about.
        
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        October 22, 2022 8:38am
  - Surely Knott
    
    You’re right. It’s another amalgamation. Super unitech, Super hospitals, Super water, and now Super Transport = super control.
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:43pm
    - Ghost
      
      Na, it’s more common sense that you can have a public transport card and use it anywhere. I have no doubt if National announced this people would be falling over to thank them.
      
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      October 21, 2022 3:37pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        If Ardern was doing traditional government work like building hospitals & schools, and training more nurses and police, and visiting local towns talking to NZers, people wouldn’t think anything of a new transport card .
        
        Instead we’ve had a year of lockdowns with a scan in your medical status tracking system and now she’s prioritised a social media surveillance system with Microsoft to hunt for disinformation . So I guess it gets ya thinking and wondering.
        
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        October 21, 2022 4:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s see you likely have a smartphone, a computer and a tablet, a credit card. And you are worried about the tracking of a public transport payment app. Might want to buy tinfoil hat before you realise just how tracked you are already, far more than a payment app will ever do
        
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        October 21, 2022 10:47pm
- MCōs
  
  Because it works everywhere, I believe.
  Currently if my sisters are visiting from elsewhere their Gold Cards are useless on PT whereas I can use the Auckland Hop card.
  Of course if are allergic to PT this is of no concern to you.
  
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  October 21, 2022 2:59pm
  - Ghost
    
    Commonsense unless of course people are so stupid that they won’t like something simply because of who is bringing it in
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:38pm
Nickc2

Given Cindy’s unrelenting insistence on the implementation of 3Waters and her threats to Aklders about rates increases if Mayor Brown doesn’t agree with 3Waters and her visit(s) to BlackRock
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/10/20/free-taste-of-an-insight-politics-article-by-nathan-smith-17/
does this mean she has already leased our water and its infrastructure to BlackRock?
IMO, it’s a distinct possibility.
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October 21, 2022 9:12am
- Raphael
  
  Blackrock just bought NZ solar company SolarZero … as one of their customers, I am not sure how I feel about this.
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:17am
  - Nickc2
    
    Oh, shit! Now BlackRock will own our Power and Water. How’s a new Govt going to unpick that?
    So the pecking order is likely to be:
    1. BlackRock
    2. Maori
    3. Others
    I guess we can all live happily with that eh? //
    
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    October 21, 2022 11:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How’s a new Govt going to unpick that?
      
      Easy peasy… Place all Debts into the hands of CCP.
      
      Gonna happen one day… may as well get it over & done with sooner than later.
      
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      October 21, 2022 12:38pm
thirteenstars

And the farce of British politics continues with Liz Truss resigning after just 44 days in the job, the shortest-serving PM in British history.

And perhaps it signals the return of Boris Johnson who is apparently the front-runner in parliamentary support ahead of next week’s leadership vote.

If Johnson got the job back, and since the Conservatives have caused themselves so much damage, with nothing to lose he might actually show some courage and embark upon a radical program to address Britain’s horrible economic and cultural malaise.

On the other hand, the traitors and backstabbers have been revealed; we know who used their knives and upon whom they used them. The lines of support are clearly drawn, and it’s most likely that in a couple of months Britain will have a general election.

The joke about installing a revolving door at No. 10 isn’t so funny now.
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October 21, 2022 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  Bojo , courage and radical.
  
  You gotta be kidding . The guy who apologised for British greatness in creating the Industrial Revolution and who’s latest bit of stuff led him by his balls down the road of Green ruination.
  
  If anything all these shenanigans simply prove the Swamp that is the Political Establishment Elite needs even more draining .
  
  Meanwhile Ivan fires a missile at an RAF spy plane .
  
  Dangerous times and the Great and the Good are polishing their economy/society wrecking credentials as they prepare to descend on another autocratic shit hole , Egypt ,for another Cop out .
  
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  October 21, 2022 9:27am
  - thirteenstars
    
    And the vaunted constitutional monarchy has no say over any of it. Fat lot of good it is. Stability? Representative democracy? What a joke.
    
    And even if it did, the situation would be even worse, Chuck III being an out-of-touch Green stooge and WEF supporter. You might as well ask the fox to guard the chicken coop.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:16am
  - rangitoto
    
    The missile missed.
    
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    October 21, 2022 10:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It was an accident, it wasn’t fired at the spy plane or it would have hit it. Both the UK and Russian governments agree on this.
      
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      October 21, 2022 11:08am
      - rangitoto
        
        Or the missile’s radar was jammed. What the governments say can be treated with a grain of salt.
        
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        October 21, 2022 11:26am
      - mawm
        
        Or it was a warning which has been acknowledged by both governments sticking to the approved narrative.
        
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        October 21, 2022 11:49am
      - kowtow
        
        No accident . Sending a message.
        
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        October 21, 2022 12:03pm
ClanMcleod

There is a great short article in OffGuardian today on the humiliating demise of Truss.

Just 44 days into the job, embattled British Prime Minister Liz Truss has just announced her resignation.

Already among the more forgettable people in the world, with this move Truss consigns herself to the dustbin of history as nothing but a potentially tricky trivia question for future generations.

Ouch.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/20/discuss-bye-bye-liz/
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October 21, 2022 9:33am
- thirteenstars
  
  Indeed, a pathetic legacy.
  
  That said, it’s not unusual that party leaders and PMs are easily forgotten, and often with good reason.
  
  Since 2001 the UK Conservatives have had six leaders. In the same period the NZ National Party has had 10.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:07am
Paulus

Whilst the division betwen Non Maori and Maori is getting farcical with stupid comments appearing, the division between Women and Men is also increasing dramatically in last fewq few years – see the support that Cindy got at the last election.
Without the women’s vote she would have been toast, and she contunually encourages this division.
Look at the best people for the jobs division, particularly in the Public Services, which in many cases appoints a women as best for the jobs, then they appoint their sycophants in the many next levels.
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October 21, 2022 9:56am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I think you may be right Paulus. There will certainly be a few farmers in both North and South Islands, that will be giving their wives a stern talking to nearing the next election
  
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  October 21, 2022 12:21pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s always the women’s fault.
    That’s why so many of them get beaten up by their husbands.
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:41pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Unfair, MCos.
      
      If you spent more time in public sector agencies you would see the truth of Paulus’s statement for yourself. I do.
      
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      October 21, 2022 8:05pm
Tom Barker

In current polling for the results of the UK general election, those who say they will vote Conservative are outnumbered by the “don’t knows.”

Bring back Boris – he can holiday for England!
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October 21, 2022 10:11am
- Ghost
  
  I was concerned last night that the UK might not be able to find a prime minister so I called up a British friend and offered them Jacinda, wow, I had never heard so many swear words come out of her mouth before, it’s seems they have standards and don’t want her.
  
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  October 21, 2022 10:14am
ClanMcleod

Anyone at all interested (or concerned) about the proposed “Great Reset” and the implications of their agenda will enjoy this in depth analysis of it.
Anyone who thinks the GR is only a “conspiracy theory” really needs to read it and wake up.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/19/multipolar-world-order-part-3/

THE MULTIPOLAR GREAT RESET
As mentioned previously, the World Economic Forum (WEF) declares itself to be the leading organisation for global public-private partnerships (G3P). In 2019, the WEF attempted to stake its claim by entering into a strategic partnership with the UN. The broad objective of the partnership was…

to accelerate the implementation of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.

The WEF has conspicuously inserted itself into the global narrative over the last few years, most notably with its alleged Great Reset (the GR). The book of that name, written by Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret, purportedly “in response” to the claimed global pandemic, is just another in a long line of attempts to exploit public fear and anxiety to sell a set of policy agendas.
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October 21, 2022 10:13am
- mawm
  
  I have just one question for Luxon – “has he had any contact in any form with the WEF or its representatives”?
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:53am
  - Rusty
    
    mawn- if Luxon wins next year then the WEF will contact him and give him the guidelines on how to run NZ.
    
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    October 21, 2022 12:39pm
    - mawm
      
      I have no doubt that the WEF have read the tea leaves and know that he’ll be the next PM and have already been in touch to tell him that the IMF and World Bank will raise the interest on all our debts significantly if he does not toe the line…. and BTW you are not allowed to talk about it. It’s all part of the massive mismanagement of our money and increased debt by Jacinda and the RB, and the other liberal Western democracies, to ensure future cooperation.
      
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      October 21, 2022 2:07pm
rjay

I was aware of Mahuta Inc but not of the other trails of conflicts of interest. This is appalling!
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/sidestepping-conflicts-wellington
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October 21, 2022 10:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Luvvie citizens of Wellington may get a big surprise when they discover where Tory Whanau’s loyalties really lie.
  
  Check this also:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-the-government-lobbying-revolving-door-just-keeps-on-turning/OK2TRISU6A2LAURUIC2KQKXX2Q/
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:05am
cmm

It’s Climate Change!

Bloody lazy science and activism blaming everything on climate change.

Bull kelp grows in much warmer Oz, South Africa etc. I am thus highly skeptical that a few degrees here and there is unlikely to be causing this problem.

The lazy attribution of everything to Climate Change means that scientists are not looking deeper and finding out what is really going on.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130216288/marine-heatwaves-likely-cause-of-kelp-die-off-in-popular-reserve
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October 21, 2022 10:59am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s really only since the ARGO network came on line that it is even possible to measure a long term trend in sea surface temperatures around NZ. The global rate of rise in the upper ocean is about 0.3°C per century, and annual variation in average can be ±0.5°C and winter to summer changes a good 6°C at NZ latitudes. All alarmism about impacts of miniscule long-term sea temperature change on biota is complete horse-shit.
  
  Also note that tropical water temperatures are fundamentally limited to about 30°C by exponential increases in evaporation and cloud formation (and increased rain fall) that work to transport heat to upper atmosphere. The tropics can’t and won’t get any hotter, warming just means they extend to slightly greater latitudes.
  
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  October 21, 2022 1:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

National calling for an enquiry into the Jayden Meyer Rape sentencing debacle

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00159/national-calls-for-inquiry-into-meyer-case-handling.htm

Nikki Macdonald gives a clear explanation of where the sentencing went wrong.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/300717192/why-the-sentencing-of-a-teen-rapist-jayden-meyer-went-so-wrong

But we are still left in the dark as to why The District Court Judge made such a weak decision in the first place.
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October 21, 2022 11:00am
- Ghost
  
  They should also include the other 19 year old that got home detention for rapes. Got initial approval under that home detention to go to university that was then revoked. And started working as a teachers assistant.
  
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  October 21, 2022 11:43am
Takere

If you move your wharenui from Hauraki to Waikato to be repaired and then get it installed in the Auckland Museum. Does that give your iwi a right to claim ahikaroa over Auckland CBD and across Auckland in treaty claims displacing iwi from Auckland?

Majurey’s cunning plan(s).

An interesting “Development”.

Eke Panuku and H.U.D, Kainga Ora in Court soon?
A conflict of interest?
The Chairman of eke Panuku Paul Majurey and Ockham, Mark Todd, housing development get the green light for consents and government investment and the developments in South Auckland gets the bums rush.

This development by Winton …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130223791/property-development-company-winton-takes-kinga-ora-to-court-over-refusal-to-fasttrack-4b-carless-neighbourhood

Versus these ones … by Majurey and Ockham.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new-multi-billion-dollar-village-planned-for-owairaka-mt-albert-by-marutuahu-ockham/OHN4SJNAJ5VSQMGCRTC5CKA4ZQ/
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October 21, 2022 11:45am
- Takere
  
  Oh. Majureys also the Co Governance Chairman of Aucklands Tupuna Maunga Authority. No a democratic board.
  Here is an example of how it’s run.
  The ‘Public’ are invited one by one to make oral submissions to the panel under these rules. It’s not public. It’s a closed door investigation, interrogation!
  
  “Please note the following:
  
  a. At the appropriate time your name will be called for presentation during the above time slot. If you are not present the Authority will move on to another speaker and your time will be lost.
  
  b. The above timeslot is the time slot available for you.
  
  c. Your verbal submission will be before the Tūpuna Maunga Authority members available for the hearing.
  
  d. Your written submission will have been read by the Tūpuna Maunga Authority members prior to the hearing.
  
  e. Each verbal submission can be presented for up to 10 minutes in total, including any questions from Tūpuna Maunga Authority members. So, it is for your judgment if you leave any time for questions.
  
  f. Management will indicate when we have reached the 7 minute mark and 10 minute mark.
  
  g. There is to be no repetition.
  
  h. No recording is permitted throughout the hearing and given previous experience, this will be monitored.
  
  i. Only verbal submitters will be invited to attend during their hearing time slot.
  
  We attach an information sheet that sets out the protocols for the hearing.
  
  If you have since decided you do not wish to present your submission, please let us know by return email. We will contact you on this email should any matters change, otherwise please send us a phone contact.”
  
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  October 21, 2022 3:12pm
  - Takere
    
    AUCKLAND TAXPAYERS ALLIANCE RUNNING A CAMPAIGN TO ‘DEFUND PANUKU’!”
    
    “In the last financial year, Auckland Council’s property management and development agency spent $34 million on staff salaries and office space. To cover these costs, Panuku “recharged” the Council $14.5 million in staff time and received an $18.3 million handout from ratepayers.
    
    Panuku employs 203 full-time staff but 9 of them are executives paid over $200,000 a year and 41 of them are lower-tier managers paid an average of $143,000 per year! That is a manager for every three staff.”
    
    https://www.ratepayers.nz/defund_eke_panuku
    
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    October 21, 2022 4:41pm
Nickc2

Who said Germans don’t have a sense of humour?
Volkswagen certainly has.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11337831/Climate-protestors-left-cold-dark-gluing-Volkswagen-shop-floor.html
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October 21, 2022 12:58pm
- alex Masterley
  
  You would think they would use a proper glue when they stick themselves to the floor.
  Ados or guerilla grip for example.
  Things that resist acetone or methylated spirits.
  
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  October 21, 2022 3:49pm
- [email protected]
  
  The article mentioned that these people were/are scientists.
  
  Doesn’t seem that they are that intelligent.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:36pm
kowtow

Talking of so called climate science , a bunch of muppets calling themselves Scientist Rebels trespassed into a VW dealership in Germany to protest the weather , glued selves to floor and when the staff turned off the lights and heating and went home the silly pricks had the cheek to complain they weren’t being treated decently.

Bwahahahaha.
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October 21, 2022 1:16pm
Ghost

One of the few things I care to remember about visiting Auckland was the Santa on the farmers building and the white lady, good to see one is saved

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-and-chloe-swarbrick-agree-to-immediate-fixes-to-make-central-city-safer/IKK6AHIGURVIGR6YFLCFWLZPEE/

Night-time food trucks such as The White Lady are among the quick wins Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown and Auckland Central MP Chlöe Swarbrick want to see in the central city.

After walking to work together via Karangahape Rd for an hour of talks this morning, the two politicians agreed to work together on immediate steps to improve safety and vibrancy in Auckland’s city centre.
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October 21, 2022 1:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  White Lady has survived. Nice new kitchen van, it looks real good. Had a bit of trouble with other tenants and the Council. All blown over now. With Wayne Brown there will be no problems. You haven’t been to Auckland if you haven’t been to the White Lady. Icon.
  The Santa yeah I don’t know how long that has been gone. It is now in Wanaka I think.
  The weirdos up here labeled it as the World’s creepiest santa or something. They said his moving finger was enticing to little children. Fuck there are some sickos out there.
  Come again Ghost, I’ll take you fishing? I have been boating/fishing on this harbour and gulf for nearly 50 years. 17 ft Haines Hunter, 140 hp 4 stroke Suzuki with 130 hours done, 40 knots (72 kph).
  You don’t want to go faster than that.
  
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  October 21, 2022 1:40pm
Surely Knott

Main stream media. Follow our science. Avoid Conspiracy theories. Single source of truth. Fact Checkers. Nek minute…Herald article: Boy claims he is reincarnated from a woman named Pam who died in a house fire and can name all the details.
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October 21, 2022 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

MINISTERS BRIEFING 😀 😀 😀

Kia Ora Bro
Wondering if we could get that stuff off you re. DoC info….We have our 2nd hui with the fam tomorrow….

When you have time bro.
Kia pai te raa.

https://twitter.com/kehetauhauaga/status/1583214875450363904
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October 21, 2022 1:34pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Can Mahuta talk her way out of this one or is this still gonna be racism by calling this out? Make ya wonder aye.
  
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  October 21, 2022 2:37pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I hope the auditor general is looking at this.
    
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    October 21, 2022 4:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So much for Nanaia Mahuta’s “talented whanau”…seems Ka Awatea couldn’t provide a quality report for DoC.
  
  (read all the following tweets in the link above)
  
  Hasn’t someone told Tame Malcolm, Deputy Director General, DoC, that you shouldn’t write comments about waiting “until this all blows over” in official Government communications?
  
  Crikey…where do these “top” public servants come from?
  
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  October 21, 2022 4:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    Crikey…where do these “top” public servants come from?
    
    Family connections?
    
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    October 21, 2022 4:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I thought that was satire.
  
  No wonder we have such poor TV comedians. I think they’ve given up, such is the competition from this governments & its catamites.
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel,
found him, resting on the seventh day.

He inquired, — “Where have you been?”

God smiled deeply and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, and said,

“Look, Michael. Look what I’ve made.”

Archangel Michael looked puzzled, and said, “What is it?”

“It’s a planet,” replied God, and I’ve put life on it. I’m going to call it Earth and it’s going to be a place to test ‘Balance.'”

“Balance?” quirked Michael, “I’m still confused.”

God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth.
“For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth like a great garden, while southern Europe is going to be poor and struggling like a jungle.

Over here I’ve placed a continent of white people, and over there is a continent of black people. Balance in all things…”

God continued pointing to different countries

“This one will be extremely hot, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice”

The Archangel, impressed by God’s work, then pointed to a land area and said,

“What’s that one?”

“That’s the South Island of New Zealand, the most glorious place on earth.

There are beautiful mountains, trees and gardens, beautiful rivers, and days filled with sunshine and snow for great recreation.

The people are going to be hard working, handsome, modest, athletic and humorous.

The other is the North Island of New Zealand, another glorious place on earth, it will stretch from the subtropics south and have wonderful scenery with volcanic cones and a climate that lets them grow wonderful, nutritional foods

They will be international, extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving, carriers of peace, and producers of good things.”

Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then asked

“But what about balance, God? You said there would be ‘balance.'”

God smiled, “Then I created Wellington, wait till you see the idiots I’ve put there.”
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October 21, 2022 2:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  If God really made everything….he’s Chinese, right?
  
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  October 21, 2022 2:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All of the paintings of Adam and Eve have belly buttons.
    How did that happen?
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:31pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Not ALL of the paintings have belly-burtons Stevo.
      
      And A & E didn’t need navels cos they… ‘were-not born-of-a-woman’
      
      (You can follow me here for more Theological advice and good-housekeeping tips.)
      
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      October 21, 2022 4:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        Created in a test tube on a ufo?
        
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        October 21, 2022 5:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump put a yuge tariff on it
    
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    October 21, 2022 3:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/New-Zealand-Is-Hurtling-towards-Tribal-Rule.pdf
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October 21, 2022 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Julian Bachelor. Co-Governance is code for Coup.
Back in Sept.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7ULqmwn-I
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October 21, 2022 2:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I know there are some that say Julian Bachelor is the one stirring the pot. He is not. Listen. Full and Final will never happen.
  
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  October 21, 2022 2:50pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Anyone else wonderign when the Gangs will roll out their protection racket for shop owners to stop ram raids? I can imagine a few mongrel mobsters camping out infront of a store for an envelope of cash, meanwhile next door gets ram raided again (mobsters saw nothing) until a similar evenlope is delivered? The police no doubt not interested unless the wrong pronouns used…..
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October 21, 2022 3:04pm
CAKE FACE1

The CAKE Plan:

Government spending to be 35% of GDP, composed of:

Health – 12% of GDP
Education – 8% of GDP
Other – 15% of GDP.

This would be a huge increase for health. We would aim to have the best health service in the world.

With 8% of GDP going into education, we should have the best education service in the world.

With other at 15% of GDP, spending would be very tight. It would leave enough money so that pensions for those retired or near retirement would be guaranteed. Police and law and order could be funded, as well as a right-sized welfare safety net.

To go would be all the add-on nonsense we have seen wasted over the past three decades. Throw out the consultants, PR grifters and time server looters. No more mooching!

Government should concentrate on doing a few things expertly, rather than everything terribly.

Make it so.
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October 21, 2022 3:13pm
mawm

In the Australian Spectator –
“Jacinda & Ursula
What are these authoritarians up to?”
by Amy Brooke.

Even Luxon takes a hit –
“An autocracy is well on the way, particularly when, as in New Zealand, the perceivably inadequate leader of the main opposition party seems to be caught up in the politics of self-esteem and focusing exclusively on financial issues. Christopher Luxon is apparently unaware of the need to come to grips with the radicalisation fracturing this country– the deliberate promotion of racial divisiveness. He also subscribes to the non-existent, climate change emergency scenario – which the seemingly obsessed Ardern now brandishes as a political weapon. However, Ardern’s near-hysterical raising of the prospect of imminent doom is underpinning a subversive agenda, and the fact that National party is too intellectually dimwitted to challenge her nonsense is unforgivable.”

Cutting and to the point!

https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/10/jacinda-ursula/
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October 21, 2022 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

TBH, I’m not surprised Liz Truss got the Bum’s Rush….

have you seen her profile?

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1583261806104961024
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October 21, 2022 3:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Might put my name down to be on the list of those wanting to be the Prime Minister of Pomgolia. I reckon I could on that kind of dosh. NZ$4300a week? Should cover the boat fuel bill.
  
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  October 21, 2022 3:28pm
Ghost

The Dr now needs to front up and supply evidence. Will be interesting to see if he does a drop on Facebook tonight

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/trevor-mallard-accuses-resigned-mp-gaurav-sharma-over-recording/WHACAEPJS6GOMJHJ4LHH5MAOYQ/

Former Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard is challenging resigned former Labour MP Dr Gaurav Sharma to release the full recording of a prior conversation between the pair which Mallard claims will prove Sharma breached privilege.
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October 21, 2022 5:34pm
Ghost

Well the good news is everyone expected health to get worse under this new f up.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/130243938/healths-postcode-lottery-worse-since-creation-of-national-health-agencies

New Zealand was promised health improvements with the creation of two new national health authorities, but logos are the only thing that’s changed so far, doctors say.

In July, the country’s 20 DHBs were replaced by national health agency Te Whau Ora – Health New Zealand and and Te Aka Whai Ora Māori Health Authority, but many health statistics are only getting worse.….

Christchurch GP Dermot Coffey said he asked colleagues around the country if they had seen any improvement in the three months since Te Whatu Ora was created and whether they had been able to refer people across the old DHB borders.

The unanimous response was that there were no improvements – in fact access to specialist services was worse.

“The only difference we have seen is the change in letterhead on the letters rejecting our referrals,” he said.

“It’s very hard. Morale is as low as I have every seen it in my 20 years working in the system. There is still a lack of acknowledgement of the problem from the Ministry [of Health] and Te Whatu Ora.”
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October 21, 2022 7:03pm
Dave

For those interested in NZ history which might not match officially approved narratives,

http://ahnz.anarkiwi.co.nz/1867-tuahiwi/

there’s a fascinating snippet at the link.
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October 21, 2022 7:26pm
Maggie Pie

Dr Sharma has made an interesting post on his FB page…..

Just saying.
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October 21, 2022 8:24pm
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  Is that the one with that awful photo
  
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  October 21, 2022 8:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “do as we say, not as we dodo”
    
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