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krazykiwi

Me, average guy: Produces a health tonic drink that ends up killing 81 people. I’m now in prison.

Pascal Soriot, CEO of AstraZeneca: Produces a vaccine that ends up killing 81 people. The king knighted him today, the same day the coroner ruled another death to be directly and solely attributable to the AZ vaccine. Oh, and the two of them chatted warmly. “I work with the King in the SMI (Sustainable Markets Initiative) on climate change and carbon reduction”. How convivial.
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December 17, 2022 8:01am
- fernglas
  
  Perhaps if you, average guy, had managed to persuade most of the world that your health tonic had also saved untold millions of lives, you wouldn’t be in prison. You too would have been knighted. Sir krazykiwi. It sounds nearly as good as Sir Michael Baker. Or Dame Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:05am
  - General
    
    Fool
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sir krazykiwi. Yes! It has a certain je ne sais quoi. I like it.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I suppose when you’ve fallen for the propaganda and lies you tend to be invested in the fairytale that these experimental products saved lives. Makes you feel better about taking the jab and assuages the guilt you’re now starting to feel if you happened to be one of the shrieking Kens and Karens who demanded any “non vaxxers” be locked up at the very least.
    
    IF the jabs saved any lives, the jury is still not in yet, they killed far more than they saved. Not to mention all of the other useless NPIs like masks, lockdowns and social distancing.
    
    Collateral damage in the name of the SCIENCE™ I guess so that’s just fine.
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:28pm
  - Keith White
    
    I am certainly not trying to change anyone’s mind. As that famous philosopher duo of the 60s sang to me – and I’ve remembered it down the years – “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
    
    I’m no longer practising medicine in New Zealand, because I cannot renew my practising certificate, because I won’t fall in line with the clot-shot disinformation. I am currently practising medicine overseas. Whether you want to hear it or not, whether you believe me or not (and as Abraham Lincoln famously said, “don’t believe everything you read on the Internet – not even on my blog”) I have never in nigh on half a century encountered in my daily practice anywhere near the number of sudden, unexpected cardiac- and neurologically-mediated deaths in the young, in the older-but-still-relatively-young, in the healthy, in the not-morbidly-obese, in the don’t-have-metabolic-comorbidities like diabetes etc. These people have not died from autopsy-certified “natural” causes. These people have died contemporaneously after the jab. These people have died suddenly, and there are so many of them that The Powers That Be felt compelled to add a new diagnostic classification, “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” that we have never needed before because while post-viral-myocarditis and sudden death as a result occasionally happened, usually in younger people who had a post viral myocarditis but were over exerting himself (not their fault, they didn’t know): this was an extremely rare event and cause for morning, obviously, but unavoidable although we did our best with educating athletes that if they were feeling off that day, don’t go out and play a game of rugby or circle the full 440-yard track 4 times.
    
    I’m certainly not gonna bore you all with links to persuasive and rigourous studies; but in the last year+ I have committed myself to believe the evidence of my eyes and ears and not, EVER (excuse the shouting) to any Sole Source of Truth whether still back in New Zealand, or where I am working now.
    
    Every drug or treatment or procedure that we prescribe we know = we were taught literally from the first week of clinical medicine, will have unwanted side effects. It is a professional commitment that we must always balance the believed and expected and evidential benefit, versus the likely risk.
    
    Risk was something that for vaccines, was commonly studied over years all the way into phase 3 trials. Right now, you and I and all of us are in the middle of a phase 3 trial and the results are not good, and the bad results are being covered up, hidden as much as they can be.
    
    If you think the above constitutes the ravings of a disappointed, disgruntled, grumpy old doctor who fell afoul of the medical establishment in the shining example of evidence-based public health that is currently New Zealand; well, my children would certainly tell you that the ‘grumpy’ and ‘old’ parts of that description are entirely accurate. The rest, well you make up your own mind.
    
    History will judge my entire (medical) profession extremely unkindly; history will judge the public health smurfs very badly indeed; and I’m prepared to bet a reasonable amounts of actual cash that within 6 to 8 months, the ardent defenders of our Ardern- and Bloomfield- dictated lockdowns will be throwing St Ashley and his accomplices firmly under the bus, crying “we just listened to them, we didn’t know any better”.
    
    Problem: a lot of us told you the evidence showed you were not just wrong, but lethally wrong. I guess however the seductive lure of voter indoctrination and people control was just too much to resist.
    
    Well, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits. Plus; for those of us who don’t die suddenly, and who are part of the driving-a-truck-through-the-doctrines-of Do No Harm and Informed Consent; when you move on from this mortal coil, the regrets you have in your dying days and hours you will have earned.
    
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    December 18, 2022 1:41am
- Jimbob
  
  KK, there is an interview on “Wealthion” YouTube channel with Luke Gromen. This may answer some of the queries you asked about earlier this week on US and global credit.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:16am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks. Will check it out
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:49am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Aussie Labor Government is proving to be as incompetent and divisive as NZ Labour.
  They are shutting down oil and gas fired power stations without having any alternative in place. Worse they are proposing solar and wind farms refusing to recognise the massive costs and that these are way less efficient. This is important for NZ. As our largest trading partner if Labor tank their economy it will impact us.
  They are also looking to set up The Voice. This is a separate Parliament for Aborigines. They comprise 3% of the population and at the last census those “identifying” increased significantly. I suspect the same will happen at the next census when more rent seekers decide to climb on the wagon. In Aussie like NZ you only have to feel you are a native no proof required.
  It is clear that Lefties in both countries are determined to wreck their economies and divide and rule on the basis of race. I predict it will not end well.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:17am
  - General
    
    Build Back Better
    
    https://odysee.com/@JustMe:05/_Build-Back-Better_-Compilation—_The-Great-Reset_-Montage:7
    
    Are you not aware why? Comedy.
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Both Govts pay homage to the UN, WEF, and Climate Change. Both Govts are partnered with and or beholding to those that call themselves Indigenous and are accustomed to living off the backs of Taxpayers and of course radical Green pollies who don’t have their countries’ interests at heart.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are following the UN bullshittery. It was great to see Luxon once again rubbish the UN over failure in the war this week
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:01pm
- quarterpack
  
  By this reasoning should ETA execs be prosecuted for the unfortunate anaphylactic reactions caused by peanuts?
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    If ETA had lobbied for mandatory peanut butter consumption, falsified trial results, paid regulatory authorities to look the other way, and negotiated zero liability contracts then yes, yes their execs would be deserving of prosecution.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:17am
    - quarterpack
      
      ……and down the rabbit hole we go again, say hi to Alice when you see her
      
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      December 17, 2022 11:36am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Fairly typical response to some undeniable (and easily provable, since the perpetrators have admitted as much) facts:
        
        1. Vaccines were mandated – hard mandates for dozens of professions, slightly softer for everyone else, but they made it clear if you refused the vax you’re a second-class citizen – yip, yip, that’s what it is.
        
        2. Not only were trial results falsified, the vaccines were “sold” as being able to prevent transmission, when Pfizer admitted they hadn’t even tested for that!
        
        3. Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna all negotiated zero-liability contracts with governments around the world.
        
        Try and find some kind of argument, other than “down the rabbit hole…” I’ll wait.
        
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        December 17, 2022 12:25pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        1. You pose a straw man that does not even start to resemble the real situation around vaccines. 2. kk starts to assist with making it a closer approximation to what has really happened.
        3. You then equate his view to being in a fictional children’s story.
        
        Billy goats coming – time to go back under your bridge fella!
        
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        December 17, 2022 1:45pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    quarterpack – I suggest you have a wee think about the relevance of your analogies before posting them. Less chance of looking stupid that way.
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:30pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Sadly CM the issue here isn’t about a lack of thought. Trolls think like fisherman. What razzle dazzle do I need to get my lure to work the best?
      
      They get their thrill from the nibbles (Downticks) and the strike (bloggers fooled into engagement).
      
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      December 17, 2022 2:53pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  [Mod – do not make that kind of accusation here, thanks]
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:42pm
Souvlaki

The ” money” quote:
Attempts to raise these concerns with managers were fruitless, they said.
“We were told it was ‘just the new Māori way of doing things’. We were made to feel like we were racist if we raised concerns,” said one, who tried to raise it with managers.
Another bloody rort….I fully expect this to become de riguer within the nebulous behemoth now know as Whatu Ora!☹
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/480877/covid-vaccination-campaign-head-resigned-after-allegations-of-conflicts-of-interest
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December 17, 2022 8:01am
- Prince
  
  I do some work in Govt Procurement. There is an increasing unease across all depts that a ‘more sophisticated’ style of Procurement has developed, where friends and relations of decision-makers are being awarded contracts. Even where conflicts are declared, and the person steps away from the decision. their replacement still awards the contract to their relative with no supporting evidence.
  Any concern is dismissed as racism.
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:59am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Always ask for a debrief
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:35am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Pointless waste of time, trust me on this. I still have a recording from a debrief where a CCE aborted what was admittedly a farcical procurement process – not because it was farcical; because they’re dead set useless, and they admitted as much.
      
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      December 18, 2022 11:12am
- All_on_Red
  
  One of the features of Tribalism is nepotism and corruption.
  No surprise this is going on.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:31am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Maori and NZ civil service looking at the way the ANC runs RSA and liking what they see.
    
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    December 17, 2022 1:03pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Their is a shocking conflict of interest, and embarrassingly poor quality, and also gross lack of transparency from the govt as they refuse to release the report into the investigation.
  
  But further and not mentioned in the article is the ad or the “That’s Us NZ” does not appear to have any tagline showing this is a govt funded ad.
  
  Instagrams terms “We define branded content as a creator or publisher’s content that features or is influenced by a business partner for an exchange of value (for example, where the business partner has paid the creator or publisher).
  Our policies require anyone, no matter if they’re on a creator, business or personal account, to tag business partners in their branded content posts when there’s an exchange of value between a creator or publisher and a business partner. You can read the full policies ”
  
  There is not one ad their is a whole page called That’s us nz. Filled with the ad, interviews with blomfield, tik tok content, sports stars on all types of issues. It’s tagline says it’s “Rangatahi creating a voice to be heard” But isn’t it a campaign from the govt. Is the whole page govt funded and created? Yet claiming to be Rangatahi youth page.
  
  It’s grossly misleading. And misinformation from the govt. The laws in NZ need to be updated. Govt advertisements and funded content on social media should be clearly tagged as such and this should have the Whatu Ora logo. It doesn’t. Again deliberate misinformation, astroturfing and grey propoganda.
  
  https://www.instagram.com/thats_us_nz/reels/?hl=en
  
  Would you go for a cheeky slay? (apparently that’s a hookup.) Is this whole thing presumably govt funded and no govt logo.
  
  Also some of it looks like party political ads.
  Eg “Govt slashing petrol prices and halving public transport costs ) on that’s us nz facebook. Presumably all govt funded? But no logo of who funded it.
  
  Also giving away free petrol vouchers, pak n save vouchers, $100 fresh fish vouchers, music festival tickets in exchange for taking the only provisionally approved experiment.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/thats.us11/photos/pcb.149314540897697/149314427564375
  https://www.facebook.com/thats.us11/videos/1686028885104624
  
  The ad on the page.
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ceg-9hJht6d/?hl=en
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:09am
iMP

With her fresh pay increase, the UK-emigrated CEO of the Christchurch city council (who had never visited Chch) is now paid (for an 8 hour day) $263 an hour. Is she Midas?
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December 17, 2022 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Two weeks ago a bunch of guys ripped up the road surface of my street. They sprayed some asphalt and covered the asphalt with stones. Then they left leaving this mess.
  
  Welcome to Christchurch roads. Yet we have high spec cycleways and a fleet of new buses with few passengers.
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:20am
  - MCōs
    
    Some bloke attempted to rip up the asphalt outside my house last evening with a couple of doughnuts and then snaking away down the road.
    The driver of the car behind him was leaning out his window with his phone filming the excitement and I don’t think he was going to send it to police HQ.
    Smoke everywhere!
    
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    December 17, 2022 8:54am
  - Gravelroad
    
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    Did you consider that the wrecking of traditional road surfaces is a deliberate Labour/Green policy to make people ride bikes?
    Ie: make the roads unusable for cars,buses and trucks.
    Suggest you ask your friend/colleague/partner for a “festive holiday gift” (aka Christmas present) for a solid bicycle.
    Get one of those ones that has a little trailer for carrying change of clothes, umbrella, briefcase, lunch, groceries, carton of beer, child, toys for child, flowers for partner.
    Otherwise, get used to gravel roads!
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:23am
    - MCōs
      
      “Did you consider that the wrecking of traditional road surfaces is a deliberate Labour/Green policy to make people ride bikes?”
      
      No.
      It’s rubbish work by the contractors. Fulton & Hogan or whoever. They have to pick up the tab for damage to vehicles and replace substandard work.
      There are specifications for their work that have been around for years.
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:38am
      - Master Mariner
        
        “There are specifications for their work that have been around for years”,
        Maybe so.
        However it would be very hard to meet specs with the Government practising Alchemy with the quality of imports.
        As any good Engineer says, Oil aint Oil.
        
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        December 17, 2022 10:40am
      - Blog-aholic
        
        It isn’t FultonHogan, as I understand they have no Christchurch city roading contracts. Probably City(don’t)care.
        
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        December 17, 2022 10:44am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    CHC votes Labour. So take it and live with it.
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:28pm
  - Jim
    
    Same crappy roads in my location, even big repairs only last a few short months before melting or holing. An incredible waste of public money!
    
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    December 17, 2022 7:01pm
- Southern Raider
  
  To be fair Chch is the closest city to England that NZ has
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:35am
- MCōs
  
  Here salary is $548,548 p.a. I doubt she works a mere eight hours/day.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:29am
- Mike
  
  It is a well-known phenomenon in NZ local government that iimporting English CEOs, is very expensive, fraught with risk, and nearly always fails.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:36am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wellington has one. It’s ironic really, that Local Govt, so keen for all things Maori, actively pursue leadership from the old country. Cognitive dissonance, methinks.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:36am
  - Jack5
    
    Not just local bodies.
    
    Remember Paul Reynolds, from Scotland, who followed Gattung as chief executive of Telecom NZ (now Spark)?
    
    Reynolds was on $7 million a year. Gattung was on $5.4 million a year and questioned Reynolds’s pay.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3406654/Gattung-slams-her-successors-salary
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:52am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      What did Paul bro did for $7M??
      
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      December 17, 2022 12:29pm
- Keith White
  
  iMP: she may not be Midas, but by one metric, she is a heck of a lot smarter than me 🙂
  
  But I think I was lucky. Because while I was at uni, my folks didn’t have a lot of money, although uni was not nearly as expensive then as it is now. There were no student loans available, so I had a interesting few years working various part-time jobs one of which was in a funeral parlour. So even before I went through medical school and hospital training, I got an excellent right up front in my face education starting at age 18 how death and disease are statistically imminent and every day we have another day alive and in good health on the planet, is a bonus. I think one of the saddest things is that people no longer die “at home”, children do not go up understanding that death is natural and inevitable, and therefore, a lot of people think that by hurrying and scurrying and making every buck they can offer their fellow humans, they live forever. Doesn’t work like that. But many people find out too late. One of the more dark sayings we have in the ER and ICU, is that “no one ever dies wishing they had spent more time at the office”.
  
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  December 18, 2022 1:49am
artemisia

So a big employer has stopped staff at some locations charging their EVs free at work. No doubt more of their locations to follow. Unsurprisingly the union says it is

a decision the firefighters’ union president has labelled “pathetic, bizarre and shortsighted”

Notice he did not mention free – to employees (but not to employers).

Will more employers follow? Will RUCs for private EVs make a difference? Probably not, even more employees will be keen on free charging once they start paying RUCs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130789906/fire-and-emergency-bans-staff-from-charging-electric-cars-at-fire-stations
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December 17, 2022 8:06am
- CJames
  
  If an employer allows employees to charge their electric cars at work, they need to pay Fringe Benefit Tax. That is the tax law. So allowing them to do it effectively gives a pay rise to those employees.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:35am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Exactly. Do they give the normal employees petrol vouchers?
    
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    December 18, 2022 11:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s still theft to charge an EV, and they are not cheap to charge, all these fools are on RUC from April 1 it could make evs not so cheap
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:06pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  How many people would expect an employer to fill their car with petrol every day?
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:14pm
  - Keith White
    
    All public servants do.
    
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    December 18, 2022 1:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Did Nanaia Mahuta game the system?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/graham-adams-report-into-mahuta-family-contracts-leaves-questions-unanswered/#more-19618
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December 17, 2022 8:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  Whether she gamed the system or not, it won’t matter.
  Different standards, processes and outcomes apply to Ms Mahuta and her people.
  The rest of just have to shut up and find the money to pay for it all.
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    The rest of us just have to shut up and find the money to pay for it all.
    To me, this means ‘get used to it Whitey. Maori are the new kids on the block and things will be done our way.’
    Nepotism, corruption, and theft have now been legalised in NZ and it only took five years.
    
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    December 17, 2022 8:57am
- Swifty
  
  With all this talk about tikanga and Te Ao Maori lately, I think it both prudent and timely to ask whether nepotism is a feature of either?
  
  Is giving work or contracts to rellies or to those of your hapu or iwi in preference to all others part of tikanga? Is ‘family first’ in this regard an element of Te Ao Maori?
  
  How would we know? Who would we ask? Is this stuff written down or is it all purely word of mouth? Where two views of tikanga conflict, how is this resolved? Or are both right?
  
  How does tikanga evolve over time, or in fact does it not? Is it and will it forever remain firmly rooted in 19th Century Maori practices and never change, like some Taliban view of Islamic scripture? Is this in fact why we see little or no movement on sexism within Maoridom? Many say “we have no need to change because these are our customs, these are our beliefs and practices” while endlessly and simultaneously calling for changes in the customs, practices and beliefs of other New Zealanders to accomodate new Maori muscle-flexing.
  
  Most hypocritical.
  
  I’m sure I would be wrong to assert that corruption in the public sphere is acceptable to average Maori citizens. I am totally confident in asking my Maori friends and rellies that they would be aghast at the prospect.
  
  But I’ve got to say at the tribal politics level, the elites, and especially those with close contacts to the Beehive, I remain deeply suspicious.
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Labour should win the next Election, the Maori Elites will be ruling NZ.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:43am
    - Paulus
      
      The Maori Elite appear to be ruling New Zealand already so why wait until after the Election whoever wins.
      
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      December 17, 2022 11:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, but when they take over it will not be a democracy.
        South Venezuela.
        
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        December 17, 2022 11:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Will be ?
      
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      December 17, 2022 12:07pm
  - artemisia
    
    I worked with someone, not Maori, who did quite a bit of technical work for an iwi. He was in the room when a pile of CVs came in for job applications. Saw the person doing the first run through CVs take one look and most went straight in the bin. Wrong iwi.
    
    I’ve worked quite a bit in the Maori sector. I was not surprised.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:55am
  - nathie
    
    Swifty, fantastic thought provoking post!
    
    These are questions that not only should we be asking, but also our top civil servants, politicians, legal experts and what was once known as the Fourth Estate.
    
    Oh wait … tumbleweeds?
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:57am
  - Keith White
    
    Swifty ; it’s what we get when we sanctify family / tribal / clan culture above equal / earned / merit culture.
    
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    December 18, 2022 1:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The division of NZ is working to plan.
  Fill your boots while you can – it is all going to fail in a screaming heap.
  Enough.
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:48am
  - artemisia
    
    To my mind ‘division’ is the legacy of this government. Whether intended or not.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:57am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff, also from your linked article –
  
  Tipa Mahuta was made chair of the Māori Advisory Group for the water regulator Taumata Arowai in May 2021 after her sister had handed the power of appointment to Kelvin Davis, Minister for Māori Crown Relations, in February. That power was handed back to Nanaia Mahuta in June 2021 –.Graham Adams
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/graham-adams-report-into-mahuta-family-contracts-leaves-questions-unanswered/#more-19618
  
  As well as being top of the chain of commend – Chair position → Māori Advisory Group → Water Regulator Taumata Arowai → ‘3 Waters’ Four Regional Entities, level of much argued about “co-governance” – Tipa Mahuta and her Maori Advisory Council are able to issue Mana o te Wai statements, which must be heeded by the recipients, so arguing about “co-governance is rather dopey when the Māori Advisory Council chaired by Nanaia Mahuta’s younger sister can exercise “total governance”
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:02am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Let’s hope the Mahuta sisters don’t have some deep-seated childhood grievance to be worked out at our expense.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Julian Batchelor. It is all in his writings and blogging.
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    December 17, 2022 11:57am
The Boss

The more I read and the more I hear, the more I come to the conclusion that we have been lied to about the so-called vaccines. I hope the guilty parties are prosecuted and go to jail. The 40 minute video in this article is captivating. According to this South African lawyer Pfizer’s own data shows it lied by claiming the vaccines are safe and effective.
https://www.biznews.com/health/2022/12/16/evidence-pfizer-lied-covid-vaccines
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December 17, 2022 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pfizer+roos&view=detail&mid=49E43BD35319A280DC5149E43BD35319A280DC51&FORM=VIRE
  Sorry about the link rubbish. I don’t know what to delete.
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Delete Bing and uninstall it, that will make a huge difference.
    
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    December 18, 2022 11:49am
  - Ghost
    
    Just click through to YouTube by clicking on YouTube in the bottom of the video and you get the link you want
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noJO5DBe7x0&embeds_euri
    
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    December 18, 2022 11:53am
- Keith White
  
  Again, no need for any sceptics to believe me, but I have read the entire Pfizer document dump four times.
  
  One of the extremely cunning but completely immoral and unethical things that Pfizer did was that they made sure that their research finished with almost no control group participants. Prior to the study period terminating “on-time”, they decided to make sure that the control group, the people you monitor to see what happens to them after you’ve given the vaccine to the experimental group – what you’re looking for is to see if the control group gets more, the same or fewer infections and deleterious effects compared to the unvaccinated control group – Pfizer decided to offer vaccination to the entire control group so yes, there was no longer a “statistically-significant” control group to compare outcomes with.
  
  In late 2020 I was communicating with the New Zealand Medical Council – and the (now-defunct) New Zealand Medical Association, asking how it could be that since Pfizer had not studied or assessed the outcome of the vaccine on women of reproductive age / women who are pregnant / women’s fertility generically, we could reasonably and safely recommend these groups of women (obviously overlapping) to have the jab.
  
  The answer was “please follow this link because a group of English doctors/obstetricians have consensus-decided that it looks like it is safe”.
  
  I wish I was paraphrasing. I’m not.
  
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  December 18, 2022 2:03am
Toes on the nose

Ffs, another DoC Hut burnt down.
Makokoere Hut….not part of the Poto-Kruger scorched Hut pogrom. Safety and biodiversity take a hit. Chur Co governance.
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December 17, 2022 8:12am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  DoC is happy. They don’t like humans.
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:33am
dave_c_

“Epidemiologist Michael Baker sounds Covid-19 warning ahead of Christmas shopping rush.
According to data from the Ministry of Health there have been more than 40,000 cases
reported in the past week with more than 500 people in hospital.”

What bollocks!

People I know who have had a supposed brush with covid in recent weeks, have not registered their condition with anyone in govt or health groups !

Given the governments abject failures in the covid response, and (in my words) the latest publication of weekly cases does not gel with me !

40,000 !!! in the past week – Who is registering their plight, who is recording and collating counts etc

It is nigh on impossible that registering, recording, counting cases etc is even possible within the last week.

I anticipate in the week before xmas day, they will be reporting 60 or 80 thousand cases.

I think the govt is playing us all AGAIN.
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December 17, 2022 8:14am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  History repeats, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That Marxist quote seems very popular on Kiwiblog.
    
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    December 17, 2022 4:05pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Karl Marx also said that the philosophers have spent the ages explaining the world; the point is to change it.
      
      Marx was on top of in his analysis of industrial revolutionary Britain; shame about his solution.
      
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      December 17, 2022 8:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I entirely agree. It was thanks to a commenter on Kiwiblog that I read a selection of his journalism from the 1860s.
        
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        December 18, 2022 5:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How much of that 40,000 is fake?
  MOH reporting to themselves to keep the fear porn going?
  I would not trust these bastards at far as I could kick them.
  That bastard Baker needs to shut his trap unless he provides evidence. He has lied to us twice before.
  As you say, What bollocks.
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well, I see they are shutting down testing sites in Auckland, they say less than 5 tests a day, so which results are they talking about?
  
  In saying that, there is a lot of COVID in CHCH Dunedin and Invercargill at present
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:12pm
- Keith White
  
  Michael Baker is (self-redacted so as not to breach the rules of this most estimable blog).
  
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  December 18, 2022 2:04am
Inandout

Musk has cleverly created a situation where the MSM must now acknowledge the Twitter leaks because some journalists have been suspended from the site because of tracking Musk’s real time movements. Scratch a reporter and all hell breaks loose.
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December 17, 2022 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Musk owns Twitter. Musk can do whatever he likes.
  He is cleaning Twitter up, a bit like ‘draining the swamp’
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Draining the twitter swamp
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes, and it is huge
      
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      December 17, 2022 2:27pm
- nathie
  
  Genuine question – are these suspended journalists the same ones that remained silent or cheered on other people being suspended as they had different views to them?
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:02am
mikenmildagain

Happy International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers!
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December 17, 2022 8:23am
- MCōs
  
  I never quite figure out why *Happy* is bunged in front of all these reflection days?
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:35am
  - David Garrett
    
    MCos: Because Milky and his many alter egos is an idiot who likes getting attention…like a spoiled child.
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:00am
    - Mike
      
      I hadn’t noticed you commenting for a while, David. I trust the festive season is not too tiring for you.
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:43am
      - Jack5
        
        Mikenmild, a.k.a. Mike, you make interesting choices of “what happened on this day.”
        
        Mike, on 17 December 1903, the Wright brothers made the first sustained, motorised aircraft flight.
        
        It’s 119 years ago today since the aircraft era took off. That led to rockets and visits to the Moon. The invention was momentous.
        
        Someone’s going to pop up with claims that Richard Pearse of Timaru beat the Wright brothers. I doubt it, but if he did it didn’t count.
        
        Typically, several people near breakthrough inventions not far apart in time.
        
        Tesla reckoned he beat Marconi in radio. Germans would say physicist Hans von Ohain invented the jet engine, beating Whittle with a flight in 1939.
        
        What matters is what immediately follows, and the aircraft business took off with the Wright brothers.
        
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        December 17, 2022 11:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Kia ora, Jack. 17 December 2023 would indeed be a good time to remember the 120th anniversary of the first widely recognised, powered, heavier-than-air, flight (extended hop) to carry a human. Wright Brothers Day is, of course, observed in the United States, but not yet internationally.
        Nga mihi
        
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        December 17, 2022 12:33pm
      - Jack5
        
        Christmas greetings to you: Mike, Mikenmild, Milky.
        
        I thought two pseudonyms and one nickname would have been enough for you. Yet you have coined a fourth name: Nga Mihi.
        
        Very slick, personalising Ngā (taking a breather, so breathless) by de-macronating the word, and adding “mihi” for acknowledgement.
        
        Pretty much NZ pidgin for Mr Breathless. Mmm.
        
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        December 17, 2022 3:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Jack, e hoa. I really don’t feel any need to use diacritical marks when typing comments for fun. It’s nice to see that you are taking care to communicate the correct pronunciation, but I fear it may be falling on the largely deaf ears (blind eyes?) of Kiwiblog readers.
        
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        December 17, 2022 4:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    It is a standard form of greeting, MCos:
    Happy Christman
    Happy holidays
    Happy Easter
    Happy Waitangi Day
    Happy Matariki
    Happy Labour Day, etc.
    
    ‘Happy’ may be used as a general mark to express good wishes about the occasion in general.
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:05am
    - Flossie
      
      If you are off to a funeral do you wish the bereaved “Happy funeral”?
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:10am
      - Mike
        
        You are opposed to happy funerals?
        
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        December 17, 2022 9:38am
    - Cassandra
      
      Merry Christman, mike, preferably (to Happy) and to Christwoman too.
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:31am
      - Mike
        
        Who are Christman and Christwoman and why should they be merry?
        
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        December 17, 2022 10:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Now you done gone and confused him.
        
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        December 17, 2022 11:00am
- Taieri
  
  Doesn’t make much sense, does it?
  How can an observance of The Day (international or otherwise) end violence or anything else for that matter?
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:11am
  - Mike
    
    How can any special day – Easter, Anzac or whatever achieve anything?
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Thing is he’s trolling , always.
    
    If I recall correctly the troll started this some time back as a mockery of the RC saint’s calandar.
    
    Best thing is just don’t give it any attention it craves , downtick and move on.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:09am
    - Mike
      
      Sound advice, but only if one considers trolling to be a bad thing.
      
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      December 17, 2022 10:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      3 downticks. Must be 3 Mikes here.
      
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      December 17, 2022 11:02am
      - Flossie
        
        I got five – so far!
        
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        December 17, 2022 11:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who would bash a sex worker? Probably a vulgar leftie I guess
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Beating up sex workers undoubtedly predates the concept of ‘right’ or ‘left’.
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:41pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

PERMANENT CLOSURE OF THE MARSDEN POINT OIL REFINERY

The NZ Herald front page item on 7 December highlighted the potential negative impact on Christmas travel resulting from a bad batch of imported jet fuel. This has lead to many letters to Editor. But nowhere have I seen any editorial examination or in-depth critical review of the decision to close down the Marsden Point Oil refinery, in the context of national security and resilience.
We are told that the decision was driven purely by commercial considerations But in my view the decision represents a monumental blunder in terms of our national security. Surely the Government, if it had a mind to, could have stopped the closure, even if it meant acquisition. That is what governments are meant to do – safeguard National security.
The Australian Government has taken such measures In the case of Marsden Point, I understand the Greens supported closure and this government’s inaction indicates it did too. The decision would appear to be driven by ideological and climate change thinking rather than New Zealand’s vital national security interests. It aligns with an earlier Govt decision to abandon all oil and gas exploration.
For a country at the bottom of the world and on the very end of long and easily disrupted supply lines, it is pure folly to dispose of our one and only Refinery.

IT AMOUNTS TO STRATEGIC BLINDNESS WITH POTENTIALLY SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS FOR NATIONAL SECURITY
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December 17, 2022 8:24am
- MCōs
  
  The obvious alternative would be to have adequate storage to tide the industry over in the case of a problem such as this.
  Did ACT have a view on this issue? Maybe they would put the burden on to the air lines.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:58am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    MCos – rather than asking the question of ACT or National it needs to be asked if the people actually running the country – your Labour Party! I’d like to get your view on when a competent government would evaluate the alternatives around the loss of a nationally strategic asset, whether privately owned or not?
    
    Our entire supply chain is dependent on fuel and fuel products. If this fails then shits going to get real fast.
    
    So does a competent government evaluate this:
    1. prior to the loss of the strategic asset?
    2. as soon as possible after the loss of the asset?
    3. when the shit hits the fan?
    
    Where in the priority list should it sit to address this?
    
    You’ve proposed storage as an alternative. I’m sure our government has considered this. Can you please point me to the government analysis of this? How much storage is required to ensure NZ is not disrupted? Where is it to be located? What will it cost? How long a disruption will it cover?
    
    We have a special taskforce to get another supply of gib board in the country. Clearly this is less important than our fuel supply. When do you think labour will setup a special taskforce for fuel supply?
    
    And finally, Mcos once you consider those questions do you think the Government is competent or not?
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:16pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’m not a spokesperson for the government.
      You have access to the same information I do.
      
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      December 17, 2022 10:38pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Mcos – it’s just BS to point this at ACT or National when it is your Labour Party running the country with a majority in parliament that means they have universal power to enact legislation.
    
    Your diversionary approach is the same BS that we keep seeing from the media and the Labour Party.
    
    Example – the party running the country are spending more money than the country can afford. Their response and the media’s when this is pointed out is Luxon what spending you going to cut? The very question they should be asked and answer themselves. Now they are blaming us for driving up inflation.
    
    Time to stop the apologetics and start holding the government to account. All the gaslighting being done just shows the people in charge are incompetent.
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:28pm
- Nickc2
  
  Kindy kid politics puts the security of our country at risk.
  When are these bastards going to realise they’re no longer playing school debating games? Now, whatever they do is in real-time, and impacts worldwide trade and security, including our own.
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:04am
- Master Mariner
  
  As already stated,
  Not until we have carrots Tuesday, fuel Fridays, and Mung bean Mondays That people will understand.
  Maybe sooner than people think.
  Note: Diesel is the life blood of any functioning economy.
  Question, Ministet Woods has announced further opening of blocks for ” Onshore” Ballots.
  Why not Offshore?
  Has the penny dropped about Energy Security.?
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The same in the US. A while back, diesel storage there was 3 days. 3 days for all of the US. Biden stopped everything in the US and begs Saudi for oil at good prices.
    
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    December 17, 2022 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour and Greens think oil is bad. Less oil and higher prices means less cars on the road. That contaminated jetfuel could have been run through Marsden and purified.
  But no, the children know better.
  Imported Bitumen is shit (Dome Valley) Co2, sulphur, all gone. All because the left hate motor vehicles.
  Yesterday I posted a video about Marsden Two guys interviewed by Liz Gunn. It is one hour and I saw it out. Interesting. Convert Marsden to solar? WTF is wrong with these people?
  
  I have just been sent an email about Marsden Refinery.
  Liz Gunn talking to two ex Marsden workers. Just over 1 hour, but the first 30 min tell it all. Convert Marsden into Solar Power my fucking left tit. The Green types are showing their ignorance. NZ has already turned away jetfuel I think. It could have been run through Marsden. BTW when does Marsden get a Te Reo name?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0QUor5H92w
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:17am
Southern Raider

Official Wellington City Council twitter page is actively promoting 16 year old voting.

Obviously all the other issues like crime and water leaks have been sorted.

To aid democracy even more they are only accepting comments from selected people.
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December 17, 2022 8:33am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s not for the official page of any elected body to advocate for change in how that body is constituted.
  
  It’s fine for Councillors to do so, particularly in the lead up to an election. But not the body itself.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:34am
  - Swifty
    
    I quite agree.
    
    They should be free to facilitate a discussion but must never take a position, one way nor the other.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They can vote when they pay Rates.
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:23am
GT Build

I see stuffed have their political awards today they are all just rubbish but the biggest mistake in them is the ”biggest U turn of the year ” they have awarded that to Luxon for the 39 tax reversal when in my opinion the biggest U turn of the year and maybe ever was the entrenchment debacle this was enacted into law very quietly and removed within a fortnight they called it a mistake but it was passed at caucus and in the house by the red and green socialists. It must be the shortest life of a new law in our history but stuffed don’t think that was a U turn. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/130792479/the-biggest-uturns-dramas-and-stuffs-politician-of-the-year-for-2022
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December 17, 2022 9:15am
- Cassandra
  
  Statesperson of the year – Ardern? I’m speechless! No I’m not – what a load of bollocks! And Politician of the Year must be Seymour surely? Willis is great but Seymour is the star.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:29am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  By definition, U-turns only apply to the parties in government. National are not in power; their policies, until elected, are just words. Another Stuff failure.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon has stated the 39 cent tax threshold will not be replaced in the Nats first term, he has not ruled it out at all, media hear what they want
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:20pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  That’s our media’s new slogan “Holding the powerless to account”
  
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  December 17, 2022 2:30pm
General

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1603700429845667840?s=19

https://mobile.twitter.com/P_McCulloughMD/status/1603771187234062336?cxt=HHwWgIC-wbnZ3sEsAAAA

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1603754811941441536?cxt=HHwWgMC-iaSg18EsAAAA

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1603650453870346241?cxt=HHwWgoCw7evlp8EsAAAA

https://mobile.twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1602648931296579585

https://mobile.twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1603654023076347905?cxt=HHwWgoC8wcy1qcEsAAAA

Blast from the past

https://files.catbox.moe/f2y6ex.mp4

https://mobile.twitter.com/CryptoBull2020/status/1602023200682283008

The Ashley Bloomfield of the worlds largest economy and he’s a complete fraud like this entire thing.

Down tick away and enjoy your mRNA. If you know anyone who gave this to their children they have the equivalent ability to think and outsource their health decisions to laughable freak shows touted as ‘experts’ and media lapdogs. Led like cattle and arrogantly smug so many of them. Crickets from all politicians and media. Majority still absolutely under the illusions of criminals and their co-signers.
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December 17, 2022 9:16am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m disappointed in Nick Smith. Councillors will only be reimbursed mileage if the car is low emissions. From a blue-dyed Nat, that’s overreach – just butt out, Nick. It’s another policy that discourages climate change challengers from standing for Council, thereby decreasing diversity of thought around the table. And, it’s cowardly. If Nick really had the courage of his convictions, he’d ban mileage reimbursement altogether. Councillors can walk, or take the bus, or cycle.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130772028/council-adopts-clean-car-policy-for-councillors-in-a-reported-first-for-nz
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December 17, 2022 9:29am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Not a surprise at all coming from Nick Smith.
  
  “There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.”
  
  Nick Smith
  Wayne Mapp
  Chris Finlayson
  Jim Bolger (more left than Helen Clark nowadays)
  Doug Graham
  Jamie Lee Ross
  Jian Yang (“A Glorious New Dawn Has Broken Over Our Harmonious Society”)
  ….
  On and on and on with National MP’s.
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I must remember to keep a list of the politicians supported uncritically by Tom Hunter. He was, IIRC, very supportive of Chris Christie and then Jeb! before falling hard for the Donald. I’m unsure who he thinks could lead New Zealand out of the current totalitarian dystopia.
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:48pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Smith twas always thus. Suits Nelson perfectly – full of retired bureaucrats.
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:26am
  - JJ56
    
    I think by and large they bypassed the bureaucrat stage.
    
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    December 17, 2022 1:44pm
Rusty

Has anyone noticed the lack of Christmas songs being played on the radio?

Maybe those sorts of songs are becoming a thing of the past in this woke culture we live in.
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December 17, 2022 9:34am
- MCōs
  
  Maybe they know people switch stations if they hear Snoopy’s bloody Christmas or Jingle bloody Bells
  https://youtu.be/pyjQNikneI0
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:05am
- Biscuit
  
  Rusty, if that inane jingle I see/hear/rush to mute each and every ad break on TV is anything to go by I will quite happily forgo any Christmas songs. Forever…
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:09am
- emmess
  
  No, who listens to the radio, these days?
  Try a Spotify Christmas playlist
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:16am
  - The Boss
    
    Life FM
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:09pm
Its only I

Touch screens in utes, seems they don’t work if you have diesel on your hands or water, wool grease, gloves.
I love tech but sometimes…..
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December 17, 2022 9:57am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Had to have a wee giggle to myself last nite when I saw the promo for the Christmas Edition of ‘The Great Kiwi Bake Off’. Starring none other than our own affable epidemiologist….SIOUXIE WILES!

When asked what her favorite Cookbook was, she nominated the wonderful…. ‘Mahi-Pekena-Mareikura: Baking By The Good Bitches Of Aotearoa’, with recipes contributed by none other than Dr Ashley Bloomfield.

It’s all for a good cause of course. Siouxie’s chosen Charity is… OutLine. The Rainbow Mental Health Organisation.
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December 17, 2022 10:02am
- Biscuit
  
  Be fair, Maggie…
  
  Siouixie is actually being very inclusive.
  
  It could SO easily have been the Only Pink Haired Folk Matter Foundation!
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:12am
- Flossie
  
  Note to self – Do NOT watch that programme!!
  
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  December 17, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They all have sore shoulders from patting themselves on the back.
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:37am
- kowtow
  
  The book could as easily be “Good Beaches” .
  
  or Breaches at the Beaches .
  
  or When Swimming isn’t Swimming.
  
  or Bike to the Beach for a bit of a Breach.
  
  baddum tish.
  
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  December 17, 2022 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/do-these-videos-signal-the-beginning-of-civil-war/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Is-civl-war-coming-1.pdf
The 3 videos:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMTg-a1PwZo
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rc2UnILbdw
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4elxlFam8
Soon, Julian Batchelor will be labeled “Racist”
My opinion is a karakia is fine before and after a Council Meeting. It is not Council Business so no karakia during a Meeting.
Glavish is all over the place with diversions and not answering questions. A train wreck. She is the one wanting to light the wick.
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December 17, 2022 10:31am
- DimChappie
  
  “My opinion is a karakia is fine before and after a Council Meeting.”
  Are you saying the Hero mayor of Kaipara, Craig Jenson, was wrong to stop the woman doing the karakia? Or is this a quote from Julian?
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes it was wrong. The Council Meeting was open. A karakia is not on the list of Business. Do the prayer before and after Council Business has finished and the Meeting closed.
    It doesn’t happen in Parliament. Can’t have the Hansard recording karakia when every Maori speaks.
    I don’t know if Julian Batchelor has said it, so no quote.
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:33pm
CAKE FACE1

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/epidemiologist-michael-baker-sounds-covid-19-warning-ahead-of-christmas-shopping-rush/RDRKGXSJWJEJNP4HDHIFD4MHWA/#commenting-widget

Okay, I’m calling it.

A two week lockdown is needed, to flatten the curve. Let’s go hard and early. We can do a little dance later.

Boosters. A couple of them. Mandates. Like the good old days. An anniversary edition; an especially embossed edition.

Protect the retail workers! Make the hairdressers safe! Save lives!

Of course we need masks – many masks. The more masks the merrier!

Masks on masks on masks. We can’t be too careful here.

A spy hotline would help. We need to report white supremacists who break the rules. Lock them up!

Zero Covid’s time has come again.

The Reserve Bank wants recession. A lockdown will help. Let’s do this. Imprison Santa. Throw away his keys. Santa is a super spreader!

Mr Shaw will do his climate change shuffle. There are no downsides to lockdown. Take that, carbon dioxide! We can save lives. Be Kind! Stay home!

Let’s do this!!!
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December 17, 2022 10:39am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  Okay, I’ve got more ideas. Feel free to help me out here.
  
  We need to celebrate one booster shot for Summer. Or two. Or three, out of an abundance of caution.
  
  Santa should shoot the kids up, when they’re on his knee for presents, with a shot of sweet pfizer juice, to keep them safe.
  
  Cindy can do celebratory dances. Her kid first in line for the sweet shot of pfizer juice.
  
  We probably need a round-up of white supremacists. Take the kids that have blond or red hair with plaids, over to one side. Interview the mothers. Do they make jam? Do they do yoga? Are the interested in interior design? Do they engage in healthy cooking? Have they ever knitted?
  
  If so, then lock them up. Without mercy. Throw away the key. They are white supremacists, who will try and sabotage the genius that is zero Covid.
  
  It took me awhile, but I now love the genius that is zero Covid. The spying, the control, the imprisonments – everything about it is tremendous fun!
  
  Two boosters for Christmas! Bring back mandates! Bring back harsh lockdowns! Bring back spying!
  
  And for God’s sake, close the borders now! Two weeks to flatten the curve!
  
  As a treat, Cindy will do a little dance later!
  
  Team of five million, it is time!
  
  Two classes of people. That is what it is, yep, yep!
  
  This Christmas could be memorable.
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t talk to your neighbours.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PtMgfESqp4
    
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    December 17, 2022 11:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Christ, I hope Jaspinda doesn’t read this. She is desperate for control.
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:06pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Who is this ‘Jaspinda’ and why would he/she/they be reading comments on a blog
      
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      December 17, 2022 12:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She is a person who can’t spell their name correctly.
        Bit like you, Mike.
        
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        December 17, 2022 2:34pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        A spin artist and extremist with a thin skin? 😂
        
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        December 18, 2022 6:15pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Umm, you’ve already done it?
  
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  December 17, 2022 11:28am
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Yes. It was a world leading response last time, I am reliably told.
    
    We need to go again. Fast and hard! Two weeks to flatten the curve! Cindy dancing!
    
    Let’s do this!
    
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    December 17, 2022 11:46am
- greybeard
  
  Yep, this morning I heard Michael Baker saying this very thing, and encouraging the use of masks in order to “keep everyone safe at Christmas”.
  The man is simply dangerous, he is given far too much airtime and he has never been right !
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:36pm
Ghost

What the fuck is going on with this country.

A person has been shot dead at a church in Auckland’s Manukau.

Police received reports of the incident, at the Seventh-Day Adventist Community Church on Puhinui Rd, about 10am, police said in a statement.

”Police can confirm that one person is deceased.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300767748/person-shot-dead-at-church-in-south-auckland

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/emergency-services-respond-to-incident-at-a-church-in-south-auckland/J44CXBJIWRHHTFGRGVW57WCNB4/
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December 17, 2022 12:04pm
- Nickc2
  
  NewsTalk ZB just announced that the Mongrel Mob was undertaking drug rehabilitation measures at said church.
  Well, the deceased will no longer be a drug problem so I guess it was $2.75m of taxpayer money well spent eh?
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:25pm
- Scooter
  
  At least who ever did it, did a decent job and not just injured. Won’t have the mob friends clogging up and intimidating during hospital visits.
  
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  December 17, 2022 6:43pm
Nickc2

Does anyone know who conducted the investigation into alleged Mahuta Corp nepotism? From my readings so far, it appears no investigation was undertaken into the allegiances of Public Servants involved in the investigation and/or contract awarding malpractice.
IMO, if Mahuta was aware there were no irregularities involved in the appointment of her sister and husband, why did she hand her portfolio over to Kelvin Davis to appoint or hire these people?
Additionally, why didn’t Cindy get the Police to investigate possible collusion and malpractice into 3Waters premier jobs? Oh, that’s right, it’s not the Labour way. She didn’t get the Police to investigate alleged rapes occurring among those involved in her Govt’s business and indecent assault(s) at the Young Labour Indoctrination Camps.
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December 17, 2022 12:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Investigation was undertaken by Peter Hughes, the Public Service Commissioner.
  
  He had a very restricted purview to investigate:
  
  Furthermore, it was obvious from the moment the review was announced that Mahuta’s behaviour would not be scrutinised. The commissioner could only look at the behaviour of the government departments and their procurement processes. He has no jurisdiction to inquire into ministers’ actions.
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/graham-adams-report-into-mahuta-family-contracts-leaves-questions-unanswered/#more-19618
  
  So we have no information as to whether Minister Mahuta had any discussions with her whanua , friends or fellow Ministers about processes and contracts before or during the time that 4 Public agencies engaged with the Mahuta clan.
  
  https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/assets/DirectoryFile/Conflicts-of-Interest-Review-covering-memo-and-appendices-13-Dec-2022.pdf
  
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  December 17, 2022 12:52pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, of course. But had a ministerial inquiry been appointed and cleared Mahuta of any impropriety, there would now be accusations that ministers appointed the wrong person to conduct the inquiry, of that the terms of reference were flawed.
    The only resort for political misbehavior, real or imagined, is to not donate to, or vote for, the persons or party one believes to have misbehaved.
    
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    December 17, 2022 12:59pm
    - Nickc2
      
      A ministerial inquiry? Isn’t that like sending a Rabbit to check on how the Lettuces are growing?
      Other than that, your points are valid.
      
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      December 17, 2022 1:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The order of importance: departmental inquiry, ministerial inquiry, commission of inquiry, royal commission of inquiry. I am aware of no case where the result any inquiry, whatever its status, has been found satisfactory to the aggrieved.
        
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        December 17, 2022 2:23pm
    - JJ56
      
      Just remember this is about the most constrained inquiry that the PM had available, and note that it came back with disclaimers that most have interpreted as a ‘nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean’ from Hughes.
      
      Think what Hughes would have said if he felt he was dealing with a clean bill of health.
      
      So its reasonable to say the PM knowingly went for the prospect of a bit of damning with faint praise rather than risk a wider look under the covers.
      
      She must have known that even with the best of endeavors a ministerial inquiry would not have cleared Mahuta of any impropriety, and so she consciously took the lesser of two evils.
      
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      December 17, 2022 1:39pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      The fact it has even got to an inquiry highlights how far standards have slipped.
      
      Previous standard was loss of ministerial position eg Judith Collins stood down for attending a meeting in China with her husband who was doing business.
      
      Now the standard is deflect, deny, divert, distract – when that doesn’t work then let’s setup an inquiry that only looks into the behaviour of one of the three parties involved ie the Public Service. Not the Minister in charge or the supplier.
      
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      December 17, 2022 2:44pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Milky: “The only resort for political misbehavior, real or imagined, is to not donate to, or vote for, the persons or party one believes to have misbehaved.”
      
      Don’t mention the corrupted media and big tech (and the screeching kidults therein) tilting the playing field in favour of far left extremist ideology. Not a prob apparently to the far left utopians.
      
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      December 18, 2022 6:33pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Thanks Maggy. So all this sheets back to the person(s) who wrote and/or signed off on the Terms of Reference (ToR) for the so-called investigation. Nothing new here I guess.
    The investigation into Covid-19 management’s going to be a hoot eh. No doubt the same cabal will be involved with writing the ToR.
    Corruption Aotearoa style, get used to it eh?
    
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    December 17, 2022 1:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Terms of Reference for the covid Commission of Enquiry have already been established.
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2022-12/Summary%20of%20ToR%20for%20Royal%20Commission%20into%20COVID%20and%20any%20future%20pandemic.pdf
      
      Page 2 details the limits of the enquiry.
      
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      December 17, 2022 3:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yet another Indian dairy worker viciously attacked by a pack of thugs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300767728/machetewielding-robber-chops-off-dairy-workers-fingers-in-vicious-attack
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December 17, 2022 1:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  More Home Detention to be handed out?
  
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  December 17, 2022 1:18pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Only if judicial ap0ology, hug and a friendly reach-around don’t teach him the error of his ways.
    
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    December 17, 2022 3:52pm
Nickc2

WTF, Biden’s going to give USD 8Bn to South Africa to shut down its Coal Fired Power Stations.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/12/biden-rolls-out-the-multi-billion-red-carpet-for-grifters.html
No doubt the ANC will be rubbing their hands in glee? All that money for zip, nada, squat.
Shades of Obama’s Pallett loads of USDs to Iran to cease their Nuclear Program. That worked well, didn’t it?
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December 17, 2022 1:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Is Hunter now on the Board of Eskom//
  
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  December 17, 2022 8:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I may have posted this.
Trump, what will happen. 2016 to 2020 he found a lot about the huge swamp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B2vSFQ6mA
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December 17, 2022 1:40pm
Chris Nisbet

Question.
Are there _any_ banks/investment companies etc that _aren’t_ infected with this ESG anti-FF virus?
I’ve been googling about and haven’t been able to find anywhere that doesn’t appear to be all in on this ‘climate change crisis’ nonsense.
Where’s a sensible bloke who wants to avoid these institutions meant to put his money?
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December 17, 2022 1:48pm
Pineapple Lumps

[Discussion about individuals is not permitted here thanks. mod]
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December 17, 2022 1:49pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  [Mod – please don’t try and get around the mod’s decision]
  
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  December 17, 2022 6:22pm
Maggie Pie

BE AFRAID – BE VERY AFRAID

Remember last week I broke the news about Chynaa having established a ‘SECRET-POLICE-STATION’ here in New Zealand?

Well lookie here. Turns out it’s not that far from us 🙁

https://newsroom.co.nz/chinese-police-centre-in-nz-tied-to-businessman
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December 17, 2022 1:53pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I trust you feel safe, well away from there. Epsom to Otahuhu would be at least 10 km, wouldn’t it?
  
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  December 17, 2022 2:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You know something milkey….I was just thinking to myself the other day, if they could make a human-being out of Soy, it would look just like you.
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    December 17, 2022 2:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      After that comment, I am off to the mall.
      Don’t want to listen to Mike’s shit for the next two hours.
      
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      December 17, 2022 2:45pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t know you had text-to-voice for the Kiwiblog comments, Steve.
        
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        December 17, 2022 4:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Mike.
        You are really a silly little troll
        
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        December 17, 2022 6:58pm
      - MCōs
        
        You waffle on here endlessly everyday about stuff, but don’t want someone you dislike to express an opinion.
        
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        December 17, 2022 10:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Lay off Steve, please. He’s not very well physically and has spent way too much time watching fringe US ‘news’ sources but is fundamentally a really good guy.
        
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        December 18, 2022 5:22am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Off to the mall? I can’t think of a more maddening place!!!
        
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        December 18, 2022 6:35pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Is that where Falun Gong were always silently protesting?
  
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  December 17, 2022 7:13pm
Ghost

Is the out of control crime in this country beyond this govt ability to deal with?

A Hamilton dairy worker is in hospital after losing two fingers while defending himself against a machete-wielding robber.

The early morning assault happened at the Irvine St Dairy in Frankton just after the worker had opened the dairy for the day’s trading on Saturday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300767728/machetewielding-robber-chops-off-dairy-workers-fingers-in-vicious-attack
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December 17, 2022 1:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, notice how the dairies are in suburbs that don’t have wealthy customers. When was the last time a Parnell or Remmers store was involved in a violent robbery? Maggie may fill us in.
  
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  December 17, 2022 2:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    A diary round the corner from my daughter in Onehunga was robbed a number of times during the period of the previous administration.
    It closed down.
    The reason it was robbed was because there was easy access to the motorway for a quick getaway.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to the PM & Minister of Justice, we don’t have out-of-control crime…. we have a “spike” in crime.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/am-s-ryan-bridge-slams-kiri-allan-s-graph-fail-in-parliament-and-woeful-attacks-on-national.html
  
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  December 17, 2022 3:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    We have a pm and justice minister so full of shit everyone should put a photo of them in their gardens for fertiliser.
    
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    December 17, 2022 3:47pm
    - kevn
      
      @Ghost… Put them two to work in a 7 day dairy. Not at the same time, just singles shift from 6am to 9pm.
      Get some reality going. Not just feelz and word soup.
      Report back to NZ how it went.
      They are allowed to have hockey stick under the counter.
      
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      December 17, 2022 5:27pm
- [email protected]
  
  My hat is off to the neighbor that responded to the screams and tried to stand up to the robbers. To make a machete wielding thug back off (until his mates reinforced the thug) is bravery in my book. Hope he wasn’t seriously injured.
  
  An hour ago the wife and I went into a bottle shop in Kamo. The young lady behind the cash register was quite shaken because the store had gotten robbed five minutes earlier by a group of young people that grabbed a bunch of booze and ran away.
  
  Don’t ever recall this happening five years ago.
  
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  December 17, 2022 5:55pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    People are really doing it tough, just seem to be stealing the basic necessities to survive—smokes and booze.
    
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    December 17, 2022 6:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Elon Musk Slashed Twitter’s Employees – Time for Washington to Do the Same.
https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1042015872225882112?
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December 17, 2022 2:22pm
Maggie Pie

BBC News are reporting that the filthy-scum-pedo Gary Glitter is to be released from jail after serving only half his sentence.

He’s proved time and time again that he will keep harming little children 🙁
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December 17, 2022 2:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, was Glitter once on Twitter?
  
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  December 17, 2022 3:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wouldn’t surprise me!!
    Until Elon came along, Twitters former head-of-trust & safety Yoel Roth had a very permissive view of sexual activity by minors.
    Muskie discovered child sex abuse material was a severe problem on Twitter and cleaning it up has been his top priority.
    
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    December 17, 2022 3:37pm
- Swifty
  
  Do you wanna touch me? Where? There! Yeah! Yeah!
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpYNZC6HaK0
  
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  December 17, 2022 6:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just look at this piece of filths wrap-sheet.
    
    https://thesun.co.uk/news/20782932/gary-glitter-free-jail-weeks/
    
    Why as a society do we allow them to continue living?
    
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    December 17, 2022 7:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      Sometimes you gotta love how they write articles, can’t imagine a NZ paper having in it Timeline of perv
      
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      December 17, 2022 7:14pm
Benedict Yu

And so it goes on.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300767728/machetewielding-robber-chops-off-dairy-workers-fingers-in-vicious-attack

If you surveyed New Zealanders, what would be the mean consensus appropriate sentence for someone who chops off the fingers of a convenience store clerk?

I’ll start. 20 years.
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December 17, 2022 3:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Seems high. What would be the penalty for an employer deliberately leaving a bladed machine unguarded?
  
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  December 17, 2022 4:02pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is an interesting question. As a society we tend to be more lenient towards those who are negligent causing death.
    
    Example. Someone drives drunk and kills someone. They might get 3 or 4 years in prison. We regard that as a less serious offence than Clayton Weatherston stabbing a young woman 70 times.
    
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    December 17, 2022 4:25pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      In some societies, relatives of the injured or deceased have a formal say in the punishment.
      
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      December 17, 2022 4:37pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Twisted world view to equate that to armed robbery.
    
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    December 17, 2022 6:33pm
  - peterwn
    
    A hefty 5 figure sum. Victim might get a few grand but the rest goes to Robbo’s piggy bank.
    
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    December 17, 2022 10:05pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Umm, I think the way it works nowadays is that you have to take a look at the perps ancestry before you can determine what sort of punishment he should get.
  
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  December 17, 2022 4:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The classic example would be John Banks, who wanted to be a policeman but was told that “the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”. Commonsense judgement, right there.
    
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    December 17, 2022 4:39pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp8WNMQHrwg
  
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  December 17, 2022 4:28pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Preventive detention.
  
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  December 17, 2022 5:18pm
- MCōs
  
  I read today about three ‘pet’ pit bulls in North Thailand somewhere who got out of the house and attacked a guy in the street.
  Onlookers wouldn’t help because they thought they’d be next. In the meantime the dogs ripped off his genitals and he died.
  The dogs were not put down. The owner has offered to cover funeral expenses.
  As far as I could tell that was it.
  I heard of a guy who was sentenced to 60yrs for insulting the king.
  
  The guys that maimed the dairy worker will no doubt be caught and punished in line with appropriate guidelines, not dragged out of the jailhouse and lynched.
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    I read another article ther other day, teenager raped a girl, judge gave him discounts to his sentence and he got home detention. They may be punished in line with guidelines, but the sentences are a weak joke here now
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:55pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Um yes, best not to visit countries with medieval justice, no matter how nice they look on the brochure.
    
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    December 18, 2022 6:51pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  20 years but can get a reduction if agrees to have fingers chopped off. Oh and public flogging for starters.
  
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  December 18, 2022 6:38pm
mikenmildagain

We should, perhaps, congratulate Alwyn Poole for engineering the collapse of Spark Sport and thus ensuring the best sport of them all will return, free-to-air on our national broadcaster, from next summer.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300766805/spark-sport-axed-cricket-rights-go-to-tvnz

Well done, Alwyn!
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/12/strongnew_zealand_young_people_need_to_see_their_role_modelsstrong.html
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December 17, 2022 4:00pm
- Ghost
  
  Or you should perhaps stop trolling and being a dick towards people
  
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  December 17, 2022 4:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What are you going to do about that? Ghost me? Make a sensible comment?
    
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    December 17, 2022 4:15pm
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  m&m, only a true socialist thinks ‘free’ is like air, not paid for.
  
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  December 17, 2022 5:30pm
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    I don’t think Alwyn likes to regard himself as a socialist.
    
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    December 17, 2022 6:05pm
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    In the case of ‘free’ cricket on TV it will mean paid for by endless advertising.
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:17pm
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      Cricket is the perfect sport for advertisements between each over. Cuts down on the inane comments from retired players, too.
      
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      December 18, 2022 5:18am
DeepBlue

Luxon and Willis should fire up their Weber at Waitangi next year.
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December 17, 2022 4:15pm
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  Is “firing up their Weber” some new euphemism?
  
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  December 17, 2022 4:36pm
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    Did you overdose on the bitchy pills last night? 😝
    
    It’s almost like you can’t help yourself today.
    
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    December 18, 2022 6:41pm
Ghost

Good to see ginger and the whinger at the Christmas parade, but did prince andrew really have to bring a young school girl. Nice of the PM to loan her EV

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/130796266/an-unpc-christmas-parade-pokes-fun-at-royal-family-pm
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December 17, 2022 4:47pm
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  Did they have any ladies-in-waiting to ask members of the crowd where they really come from?
  
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  December 17, 2022 5:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/130796266/an-unpc-christmas-parade-pokes-fun-at-royal-family-pm
God , I love the descendants of the NZ colonialists !
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December 17, 2022 5:31pm
Ghost

Tucker Carlson

Did the CIA have a hand in the murder of John F. Kennedy

Source

The answer is yes. I believe they were involved.

https://youtu.be/PAiRmhXvJHs?t=296
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December 17, 2022 6:48pm
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  “I want to believe”
  
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  December 17, 2022 9:03pm
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    Who wants to believe what Milky? Who are you (mis)quoting???
    
    Get straight and explain yourself clearly.
    
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    December 18, 2022 6:45pm
Brian McDonald

Terrible as it may be the main assailant in the attack on the Hamilton dairy staffer clearly appeared to be a child.
In the dire situation that such staff face objective advice would be not to draw hands away to protect your head but go for the hand holding the weapon, get in close to take the reach away as an advantage, and bash the shit out of them or get cut up with when there was plenty of room to also kick.
I noted there were bottles there with which to strike with the free hand if not already going for the throat or eyes.
Speaking from experience against dangerous adults.
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December 17, 2022 9:19pm
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  I’m finding it hard to work out who should be bashing who, or with what, with the sentence construction as it stands Brian.
  
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