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Clyde

St Jacinda of the Blessed Teeth has been “blindsided” by the news that an hour long piece she recorded on video some time ago to promote her incredible world-leading talents as a young and emerging leader is now being used as a major segment in a Netflix series by Ginger and Whinger? But both are such good and close friends! Surely such good friends would share such info? Remind me again – what is St Jacinda’s views on the monarchy? Does she support New Zealand becoming a Republic?
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December 21, 2022 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Just more straight out lies from this odious woman.
  
  How could they use this and not have asked a countries leader for the right to use her?
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:20am
  - Nickc2
    
    Cindy tells so many lies, it’s impossible to know when she’s telling the truth!
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:36am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Nickc2 you always know when she is lying it’s when her lips are moving.
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:07am
    - Chris R
      
      She is so deeply adept at lying she doesn’t know when she is lying!
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Odd as it seems, on this occasion I am inclined to believe Jacinda. For two reasons:
    
    – if she had given explicit permission, denying it would probably result in Ms Markle exposing the lie.
    
    – more importantly, this clip seems to be some kind of background material that the PM recorded ages ago. I think it is unlikely that H & M need her permission to include it in whatever hair brained show they are putting together,
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:45am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Heard on the radio this a.m. that the clip was recorded a year or two back and was supposedly something to do with Mandela Foundation, to which Ardern had given permission for use. Bet Ardern didn’t caveat it with anything about what the use would or could be. Stupid people do stupid things.
      
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      December 21, 2022 8:53am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Let’s assume back in 2019 when she did this interview for the Mandela Foundation that she was so naive that she didn’t know how or who this content would be used. Rubbish – she’s not that naive.
      Any organisation or production company knocking on your door will be asking for this content, surely your gonna has some sort of written contract/agreement in place about how and what will be used?
      Mr & Mrs Windsor probably/likely paid for this content off Mandela Foundation. This isn’t all done for free.
      The questions should be asked – did Cindy get paid to do this interview and who paid her? and did she get paid personally or into another entity related to Cindy? Was this a financial transaction?
      Fair questions to ask the PM of NZ who has used her position for this content.
      
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      December 21, 2022 8:56am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        We will probably never know.
        
        I doubt that she (or at least her advisors) are happy about this material being used by a couple who are increasingly being seen as crazy by many.
        
        The other thing is, the PM has a special relationship with the Monarch as head of state. She would be unwise to cloud that relationship by getting involved with a couple of the family who have gone rogue.
        
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        December 21, 2022 9:17am
      - Ruawai
        
        My guess is JA agreed to it when she thought H&M were wonderful but now their brand is a bit toxic she is back peddling.
        
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        December 21, 2022 9:19am
      - Nickc2
        
        Perhaps she was being managed by some fella acting for Mahuta Corp at the time? That would account for all the lack of detail, misrepresentation, and BS.
        Choose your friends wisely, else like them you will grow!
        
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        December 21, 2022 9:28am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Harry, not that naive? I’d say yes, she most definitely is. And it would be absolutely par for the course for her to not cover all her bases. As I say, stupid people do stupid things.
        
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        December 21, 2022 11:01am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Poor old Harry. I wonder when the penny will drop.
        
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        December 21, 2022 9:28pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They still would have been required by law to use it, especially with being able to sue in the states, I bet anything the producer asked for assurances it’s fine to use the material, possibly even signed papers
      
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      December 21, 2022 10:13am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        The US has very liberal policies on fair use. In short for a clip like this, Netflix don’t need to get permission.
        This is the reason why political parties in the US can use music, even when the composer/singer objects. not the case in NZ.
        
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        December 21, 2022 10:52am
  - kevn
    
    @G… ‘Birds of a feather flock together’.
    They all the same.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:32am
  - Alex
    
    Perhaps Clarkson will have something to say about our own Cruella, I live in hope.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:08am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Alex: “Perhaps Clarkson will have something to say about our own Cruella, I live in hope.”
      
      I’m sure that if he does, it will be very amusing. Stand well clear but.
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:26pm
  - Keith White
    
    Ardern aloud: “I believe that it is possible to exist in politics without lying and by telling the truth,”
    
    Ardern subvocalizing: “I believe that it is only possible to get ahead in politics by lying and without ever telling the truth.”
    
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    December 22, 2022 3:33am
- slightlyrighty
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-blindsided-by-harry-and-meghan-netflix-doco-has-not-spoken-to-duke-and-duchess-about-it/7KXVQKBRMZA6XPCDPDSWL53LOU/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3cnsGcrLCM1Rqcjh6ZIJ8TI_-01Z6bqnacFNgckkXVabegpT1Lf2ZCXkQ#Echobox=1671560098
  
  This whole thing does put her into a difficult position on a constitutional level. Still, she got herself into this mess by agreeing to this in the first place.
  
  However, this doco by Ginger and Whinger does seem to have the hallmarks of a clip show of regurgitated content in order to make a quick buck.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:21am
- cas
  
  Perhaps if she had asked the Governor-General for advice BEFORE agreeing then their sordid little plot might have been busted earlier. In 2019 H and M were still royals so what the hell were they doing recording stuff like this.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:51am
  - Raphael
    
    I saw someone look at the timeline in detail. if you use some of the timeline H&M use, they were preparing for this well before the wedding.
    
    (not to mention their supposed Social Media expert, Chris Bousey is a complete fraud, check out the coverage from Nate the Lawyer who is currently suing Bousey for defamation)
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:15am
  - cas
    
    I’ve now looked at the Herald article. Even if she did know it was being switched to Netflix and then to H and M why didn’t she withdraw her agreement as the original agreement was for one thing and by May it had morphed into something completely different. From knowing in May that H and M were involved to suddenly trying to distance yourself now seems an awfully long time.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:10am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the greatest threat to the future prosperity of this country is that 40% of students dont attend school. The prison population illustrates what happens when people cant read write and add up. Over the past 50 years education standards have declined. I know because I have been employing people since 1973 and witnessed the dropping standards. We face a bleak future with massive unemployment as unskilled jobs and semiskilled jobs are taken over by robots and AI. Without a highly skilled work force we can expect lawlessness to increase and society to continue to break down.
  
  Happy Christmas Kiwibloggers. Emnoy it while you can. It will only get worse.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Brand Ardern is heavily invested in the imagery of eliminading “child poverdee”, yet her regime is responsible to a very large degree for entrenching it for generations.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:18am
  - My
    
    Yes, education is the primary key to lift folks out of Poverty. Out of all the many challenges NZ faces right now this is the most important to address.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:52am
    - Paulus
      
      Sadly the lack of education is now hereditary as current children come from illiterate Parents and Grandparents who live well off the Welfare State and their off spring often illegitimately do likewise.
      A Whoopsy State – and getting worse – why work when the Paye Taxpayer – those few who do, will continue to pay.
      
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      December 21, 2022 1:13pm
  - Philview
    
    I think the Stat was 40% do attend school so is even worse.
    
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    December 21, 2022 1:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    The ministry of education stated that the high absent rate was due to staff and students having to isolate because of Covid. I don’t really think this year and last we can get an accurate account of those who actually don’t regularly attend school.
    
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    December 21, 2022 1:37pm
- Philview
  
  I had been wondering how this would play out. Would the NZ media change tact and give Harry and Megan hero status for being friends with Jacinda? It seems denial is the way to go.
  
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  December 21, 2022 1:30pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Generally, generally I have believed what I have been told by a PM or Minister because of various verifications and checks and balances in the system including the media. But with the outgoing PM and the clear manipulation of data and the media that has gone on in the last five years I no longer believe anything she tells me and the same goes for her Ministers. We have been treated to one ongoing liefest since they got in and my distrust of them is the consequences for the government of that approach.
  
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  December 21, 2022 1:47pm
artemisia

Big surprise. Rental shortages in BoP, Wanaka, Queenstown. And the number of new builds for sale nationally (TradeMe) is increasing every month. Fewer buyers than developers expected? Because reasons.

Wānaka property agent Colleen Topping has been in the rental market for 18 years … and puts the current crisis down to property owners having little to no incentive to rent their homes.”There is no housing shortage here but there is a rental shortage. We have got to encourage instead of discourage landlords.”Government changes in the law have meant that since October 2021 property investors could no longer fully deduct interest costs against the income they make from renting out a property.

Meanwhile – official numbers from HUD – June 2017 to October 2022 –

Transitional (emergency) housing places up 415%. Social housing waiting list up 340%. However it does seem that the social housing waiting list is dropping, but strangely it is largely not due to households moving to social housing. Those numbers don’t add up.

Election year coming up. If the numbers are trumpeted as marvellous news, maybe a journalist or two will check the actual numbers and ask questions.
Don’t suppose the government will admit the massive role their very own policies have played.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/otago/130772996/rental-shortages-bite-as-tourist-towns-of-queenstown-and-wnaka-struggle-to-attract-staff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/300768878/a-cupboard-with-wooden-step-listed-as-a-deck-sign-of-hot-rental-market
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December 21, 2022 8:07am
- Simon
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  And National want to bring in 100,000 people per year from India / Africa. Madness.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    Somebody has to do the work Simon – jobseekers and other dole recipients won’t.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Just bringing in migrants willy nilly won’t do anything other than a short term fix for short term problems.
      
      Flooding the country only reduces gdp per capita , overwhelms infrastructure and creates social division.
      
      The country needs to get off dope , get back to school and back to work .
      
      This is a generational issue of national importance.
      
      ps in an age of automation , where’s the automation. We need to work smart , not make the same mistakes of the past 40 – 50 to years.
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:25am
      - alloytoo
        
        Nobody is suggesting that migrants are brought in willy nilly.
        
        That’s nonsense.
        
        The immigration process is designed to filter for talent, skill and experience. Immigrants also tend to be self selecting higher performers.
        
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        December 21, 2022 10:36am
      - crikey
        
        The only immigrants NZ needs are those who are willing to work, the talented and educated who can add value right now in critical areas right now.
        
        A rapid influx will put pressure on housing, one reason I suspect why Labour has deliberately dragged the chain.
        
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        December 21, 2022 1:12pm
      - kowtow
        
        alloytoo
        
        But it hasn’t filtered has it .
        
        Retail assistants , liquorstore managers , bus and taxi drivers and then tens of thousands of ‘students’ with what quals ?
        
        Etc
        
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        December 21, 2022 1:14pm
      - Paulus
        
        Why in today’s social and economic position would anybody want to live in New Zealand, except off the generous State handouts.
        Same as why immigrants want to go thousands of miles to get to UK because of the illusion of nirvana they afre told – Welfare State – (and currently bloody cold with strikes everywhere – and still they risk their lives for it in rubber dinghy, and regret it in time when they get there.
        France boots them through rapidly despite saying otherwise.
        
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        December 21, 2022 1:19pm
      - alloytoo
        
        @Kowtow
        
        “Retail assistants , liquorstore managers , bus and taxi drivers and then tens of thousands of ‘students’ with what quals ?”
        
        Do you actually know the immigration status of these individuals or are you just assuming?
        
        Immigration policy targets skill people and allows them to bring in their immediate family (frankly inhuman to do it any other way).
        
        Refugees, pacific quotas and student visa holders do not go through that filter.
        
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        December 21, 2022 11:09pm
    - Simon
      
      “Somebody has to do the work Simon – jobseekers and other dole recipients won’t.”
      
      Cut personal income taxes then labour force participation rate increases,
      Cut govt regulation – it frees up employees
      Close down or scale down govt depts. – it frees up employees
      RBNZ sells down its balance sheet ie it shrinks money supply – wasteful projects are canned.
      
      NZ has all the labour it needs. But National are really just hot garbage.
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:47am
      - Ghost
        
        Sweet we have all the labour we need and don’t need immigrants. So where are you going to get the doctors. Nurses? Specialists? Going to let someone on the dole come and start operating? Want a drug smoking unemployed person driving heavy machinery.
        
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        December 21, 2022 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    When did they say that?
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:16am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Queenstown and Wanaka have always been holiday towns with high number of homes being holiday homes. Not suitable to be rentals for long term tenant that are living and working in the town.
  In my opinion for these towns the housing for seasonal workers from overseas needs to be provided by the local council. It’s not up to central govt or locals to provide this.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:42pm
- zombie
  
  I have to say that that is a typical real estate agent response. Lowering interest deductability isnt really the issue.
  
  The problem in Wanaka and QT is the type of homes that are being built. They are upper NZ homes at great cost even for something small. They are built primarily for holiday homes and people are prepared to rent them out to AirB&B and great $ which they are happy to collect on. Nice bit of top rental for a few months of the year.
  
  But the thing is, the houses were never built to rent. They were built as a nest egg and a nice vacay home. For most the air BNB money is just an opportunity to cover rates etc and dont figure into their investment structuring in any meaningful way.
  
  These houses will never be available for long term rent so the answer is unfortunately a further incentive as they have in Australia, a tax on empty homes.
  
  Its not just a Nz problem, the same thing is happening across various parts of Britain such as the Devon and Cornwall coast and the Cotswolds. Locals are going homeless because all the homes are brought up as airBnB /Holiday homes. Same in Australia, hence the empty house tax.
  
  As Bernard Hickey says “We dont so much have an economy as a Housing Investment with a bit of an economy tacked on”
  
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  December 21, 2022 3:28pm
Suze Wainwright

How on earth can you trust a world leader who waits for the opinions to come through before she acknowledges being ‘blindsided’ or humbled by certain situations?

Didn’t Hager write a book about hollow people?
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December 21, 2022 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, the anger built yesterday, and now smiling she says she was blindsided, bullshit, she was donkey deep
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    There used to be interesting punishments for treason.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:11pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes it was The Hollow Men…..nothing in the works yet about the hollow woman.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:32am
- ecco
  
  Totally. Pretty sure she also offered the couple some sort of refuge here in Nz when they were fleeing the Uk which she back tracked on. This is karma for Ardern. Just shows she’s all about spin and getting to the UN. She must have had to get off her holiday break to make this announcement. Poor thing.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:56am
- stewmar
  
  Ardern isn’t a world leader she’s a PM by appointment by Winnie of a pipsqueak tinpot group of islands in the Southern ocean that most people on the planet have never heard of
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:59am
- ecco
  
  I think the term you’d describe for Ardern is ‘Fairweather friend’.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Comment of the day. Perhaps Hager has a follow-up volume coming about the gender his missed last time around.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:52am
Yabster

LGNZ at it again with racist standing orders. Hobsons pledge has commissioned a legal opinion that has been sent to all councillors.

I have contacted the Chch Mayor suggesting this be looked at, and membership to LGNZ be reviewed… look at contacting your local councillor/mayor.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/hobsonspledge/pages/2068/attachments/original/1671153585/Legal_opinion_on_LGNZ_Guide_to_Standing_Orders.pdf
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December 21, 2022 8:09am
- artemisia
  
  Well that legal opinion is damning. Will LGNZ be responding, at least to its members to support its guidelines in the light of the opinion? Will more councils say nope to LGNZ membership?
  
  More concerningly will some councils be scared of being called racist and undemocratic so quietly do what they are told by LGNZ. I’m picking yes.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:17am
Frank the tank

With the wife and kids in Sydney. First overseas trip since CovidCult. I am stunned by how far New Zimbabwe has regressed. Little things I note:
-Roads properly sealed
-Airport doesn’t run out of food (like Auckland did on departure)
-Nighttime in CBD is safe. Street people polite and behaved. Streets are clean
-Public transport that works.
-English spoken by government and state officials not some pidgin dribble.

Until you get out of the country you don’t gain a true picture of how almost complete our decent into the third world has become.
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December 21, 2022 8:11am
- tui47
  
  Plus when in Australia you get proper world news on the TV. Australians, unlike New Zealanders do not consider themselves the centre of the universe. Whoever is in charge of the news knows that citizens are interested in overseas events. Yet in NZ we get delivered what TVNZ and Newshub decide to tell us.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  There’s nothing decent about our descent into the third world.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:29am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I blame the NZ education system rounded my English fail up to a pass in bursary…..
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:44am
- Jimbob
  
  I saw the same back in 2008, Australia is way ahead of NZ. I was very surprised at the difference. I found Queenslander’s very engaging, not like NZ public.
  When I arrived back at the airport waiting to get on an Air New Zealand flight, it was full of overweight unkept people.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:29am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nowhere is perfect. There is a big difference between visiting somewhere and living there for a significant period. Australia IS the lucky country but it could very easily be destroyed by the latest pack of proven woketards (state and federal). A very large part of the pop (mainly in the largest cities) also can’t think straight, due to the march through the institutions by the loony left over the last 40 or 50 years.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  No doubt Cindy will lay claim to everything you have mentioned as sucesses achieved under her Govt.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sell up and move there. Many are, they have had a gutsful of R. T. Rower.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:16am
  - Frank the tank
    
    If it wasn’t for the wife and kids then I would already be gone
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If it wasn’t for my age, I would be off too.
      I like NZ, I just hate the commies running it.
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:12am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The biggest problem is the re-interpretation of the treaty into some sort of ersatz constitution.
  
  So long as we look to past of the Tangata Whenua as some sort of woke-etarian blueprint for our future, this country is in trouble.
  
  Our Health system, education system and justice system is increasingly being managed with far more emphasis on treaty obligations, and in each case, it has been to it’s over-all detriment.
  
  Unfortunately, those who can and should speak out against such things, are threatened with the epithet of ‘Racist’, making proper and reasoned debate, all but impossible.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:19am
  - tavita
    
    slightly if racist means supporting equality of opportunity and equality before the law, its time to be proud to be called racist.
    
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    December 21, 2022 7:32pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  State and Federal Labor (sic) and their greentard and fake independent (Billionaire funded climate activists) buddies are working very hard on bringing Aus down to NZ’s level!!!
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:23pm
Tom Hunter

We learned nothing from Swine Flu (2010)

Look before you leap. When a new infectious disease problem emerges, the premium must be on gathering and analyzing reliable information rather than triggering preconceived and inappropriate responses. The perception that these events are emergencies requiring instant response is overstated. A little thoughtful reflection will be invaluable.

React to facts, not fears. Pandemic plans gave little or no flexibility to scale down measures for a mild (or ultra-mild) pandemic. Everything was geared to a 1918-style disaster — more of a phantom than a real threat in our modern world. Once activated, the plans took on lives of their own.

Keep the politicians away. Public health officials can and should change their minds when new evidence emerges. They can be wrong without shame so long as they stay flexible and open-minded. Reversing fields is much more difficult for politicians. Our persistence with H1N1 immunization long after it had any value had much to do with political face-saving.

Never exaggerate. Public health’s greatest asset is credibility. The unfortunate tendency to overstate the dangers of H1N1 will only mean that some people will doubt our word when we have something really important to say.

Be your own toughest critic. Public health authorities – federal and provincial – have yet to produce any rigorous evidence-based analysis of the H1N1 experience. If we don’t identify our mistakes, how can we learn from them?

Written in the Toronto Star in 2010 by:
Dr. Richard Schabas is the Medical Officer of Health for the Hastings and Prince Edward Counties Health Unit and was Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health from 1987-97. Dr. Neil Rau is an Infectious Diseases Specialist and Medical Microbiologist based in Oakville and a Lecturer in the Department of Medicine (Division of Infectious Diseases) at the University of Toronto.

We learned nothing.
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December 21, 2022 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Wrong without shame” is how the Labour Govt works.
  Nobody is ever to blame when something goes tits up.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:23am
- RoboRob
  
  Hi Tom, generally agree. However with respect to ‘Keep the politicians away’ I disagree. I don’t want medical officials making the decisions. I want someone, and it kind of has to be politicians, weighing advice from multiple sources and making the decisions.
  
  For example with Covid, on a pure medical perspective many ‘experts’ believe we should still be in isolation and have compulsory masks etc to avoid as much illness as possible. Medical officials would probably had physically forced vaccine on all. However when you factor in the economic, educational and social damage of that policy it becomes clear that the best option is to do the opposite. The problem we (and most other countries had) was politicians that made decisions based on the political damage of incorrect decisions, it was safer to take no ‘risk’. The downsides are the societal and financial damage we are now dealing with.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:04am
  - kowtow
    
    Lord Jonathan Sumption has been excellent on this issue ( and many others)
    
    health officials can advise but its the pollies , we elect , who must decide when they balance up all factors . Health , economic , social etc .
    
    Our pollies hid behind one factor and one alone , the alleged health benefits , without weighing up all the others.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone who works unbiased and within the Law, not someone who decides on their ‘feelings’
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:15am
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-blindsided-by-harry-and-meghan-netflix-doco-has-not-spoken-to-duke-and-duchess-about-it/7KXVQKBRMZA6XPCDPDSWL53LOU/

Tommy C running defence for the PM. Who would have thought woke would want to have distanced itself from woke.

And we all know our PM would have known this was going to come out…….
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December 21, 2022 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not following Cringe and Winge at all. Jaspinda is lying again.
  This is no more than self publicity – she knew all along.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:27am
- Alex
  
  Of course Frank we the sheep were not asked about it first, thought it was odd at the time.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:18am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

PM’s invitation to Charley’s Coronation could be in jeopardy?

Cindy walks back her involvement with Hazza & Megs quicker than a live in nanny can be given a one-way ticket to Brazil.

https://mol.im/a/11558451

😀
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December 21, 2022 8:17am
- Simon
  
  It’s Argentina.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:30am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I think you will find that Haz and Megs have been invited to the coronation Mags. So I doubt whether Ardern’s invite will be held up.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear…

Another fawning piece of media exposure that Our Dear PM is trying to distance herself from?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-blindsided-by-harry-and-meghan-netflix-doco-has-not-spoken-to-duke-and-duchess-about-it/7KXVQKBRMZA6XPCDPDSWL53LOU/
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December 21, 2022 8:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Maybe a great Xrissy present ,//
  
  https://www.iknowthistobetrue.org/jacinda-ardern
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:35am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Wonder if it will end up on the clearance table in The Warehouse for $2 like the Paul Holmes christmas CD was years ago. LOL
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It should be released on the clearance table where it belongs.
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:32am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Harry, I thought that Paul Holmes CD became a best seller as the ultimate bad taste gift…
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:46am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “I know this to be true because I am your single source of truth, so yip, yip that’s exactly what it is…..”
    She’s amazeballs……..
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:38am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Is this in the Fiction section??
    
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    December 21, 2022 3:54pm
- fernglas
  
  Harry and Meghan are the Hello magazine of documentary makers. Don’t tell me that Ardern wasn’t perfectly aware of that.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She tells lies you know.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    If she wasn’t aware she should fire her spin team.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:52am
  - Ghost
    
    She knew, why else would she sit down and do the interview. This woman has no idea how to tell the truth
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:59am
- Harry Knuts
  
  If she admits she aligned herself to this – she’s damned and shown to be arrogant and self-absorbed.
  If she admits she didn’t align herself to this – she’s lost a whinger bestie with Mrs Windsor.
  Cindy needs to start choosing better friends.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:47am
  - pdm
    
    She seems better suited to the outcasts in society:
    
    Ginger and Whinger
    Karl whats his name
    Richie Hornblow
    
    etc etc etc
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:17am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Sroebeck
      
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      December 21, 2022 10:18am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    If she admits she aligned herself to this, her constitutional position becomes very dicey. She swore an allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen, which on the Queen’s death passed to King Charles; she has to put some space between herself and H&M to avoid a constitutional crisis.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:59am
    - alloytoo
      
      She should resign, but she won’t
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:45am
Swifty

How to royally screw your country and abjectly fail your own people 101:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/300770606/taliban-say-women-banned-from-universities-in-afghanistan

….by denying yourselves access to half your talent, brain power, innovation, enterprise and drive.

FFS, the Taliban are clearly some of the absolute worst examples of humanity currently occupying the planet and Islam is literally the slowest kid in the class.
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December 21, 2022 8:18am
- Simon
  
  “FFS, the Taliban are clearly some of the absolute worst examples of humanity currently occupying the planet and Islam is literally the slowest kid in the class.”
  
  Really? After 2 years of Zero covid
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:32am
  - Swifty
    
    Sorry Simon, I’m not with you.
    
    Could you please elaborate?
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:07am
    - Simon
      
      [Mod – debate what a person says, drop the personal attacks]
      
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      December 21, 2022 9:56am
- Blackbob
  
  You are entirely correct but where does it say we we are required to spend both lives and cash to change them?
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:52am
- David Lenny
  
  Someone more open to other ways of knowing and less indoctrinated by colonial thinking than you would acknowledge te ao Afghani and tikanga Afghani. 😡
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:52am
  - Swifty
    
    I stand corrected, after all who are we to judge?
    
    //
    
    🤣
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:08am
- Swifty
  
  I wonder, just hypothetically, that if back in the 19th Century it was tikanga that Maori women could not be educated past say primary school and that they could only work in certain occupations and must be separated from men in the workplace – would we see the usual suspects championing this in 2022?
  
  Or would they be quietly abandoning it, pretending it never happened, and claiming it was never tikanga to begin with? Like they’ve done with all the other elements of tikanga and Te Ao Maori that they find inconvenient in these modern times?
  
  After all, it was clearly tikanga, clearly part of Te Ao Maori, to invade, butcher and enslave your fellow neighbouring Maori, butcher, rape and enslave them, take over their lands, gardens and fisheries; not to mention eat yourself out of house and home and completely destroy whole species with not a care or thought about preservation or conservation.
  
  (Mods and readers please note I’m not trying to bash Maori here – I’m trying to point out the massive hypocrisy and deceit with with these debates are being conducted in NZ at present. That ‘everything Maori good, everything European bad’, that Maori are incapable of doing anything bad, that every Maori wish, claim, request or advantage should automatically be granted. That European-New Zealanders are incapable of moral acts and their every action is oppressive.)
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:57am
- My
  
  Yep. See lastmanstanding at 9.08. In NZ 40% not attending school. So we are getting close to Afghanistan numbers.
  Lets swap their 50% for our 40%
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:04am
G152

I see where someone has been cleared of a murder conviction after spending years in prison because the law and the prosecution fiddled with the facts.
Firstly those who did this should be imprisoned for the same length of time and all their assets sold to pay the innocent victim some form of compensation.

Secondly their work history should be closely examined and the many cases they were involved in reviewed
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December 21, 2022 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very doubtful if the public will ever know who did what…
  
  a redacted version of the report may be published “when it is appropriate to do so”.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481122/alan-hall-case-solicitor-general-asks-police-to-investigate-after-report-into-crown-lawyers-received
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:32am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Unless criminal charges are brought against those involved, including both Crown Law staff and Police. In that case, it will all come out in the evidence.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:02am
    - Paulus
      
      Sorry not enough evidence to lay charges !
      
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      December 21, 2022 1:23pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Perhaps, but we could make some up.
        
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        December 21, 2022 2:42pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  So, this was back in the 80’s, right? Say 40 years ago. Whomever in the police and lawyers involved if any you could assume long retired or even dead.
  Yes, it’s an injustice but there will be so many in each profession protecting the integrity and honesty of their profession that in no way will they want to point fingers. This will be another what a shame moment, but no one will be held accountable. Sadly.
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:43am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Which just shows how aborrent our so called Justice system really is. It covers up matters like this where those involved should be named shamed and convicted if alive and if dead well you cant defame the dead.
    Alas NZ has a culture of cover up. The Institute of Business Ethics studies show that 20% plus of employees witness unethical immoral and illegal activity but dont report it because of a fear of the consequences. We are a nasty little country run by nasty little people across all sectors. Time we had a real Whistleblower Protection Act backed up by an Agency.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  18 years in Prison now to find out !
  Disgraceful.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:41am
tui47

Has anyone been watching covid cases in the US/UK? Given it is winter shouldn’t they be experiencing a surge? While I know they know longer test to the same extent NZ and Australia do it appears that their cases are so far mostly stable. If so have citizens in the rest of the world gained more immunity?

Here in NZ (and Aus) we are in catch up mode and in full covid surge just in time for Xmas thanks to Jacinda and her Government who keep our borders closed far too long. Wellingtonians who vocalised their disdain for ‘dangerous’ Aucklanders a year ago and demanded we remain locked in our unnatural Government mandated border appear to be suffering the worst.

Jacinda ‘saved’ us so we could suffer economic damage far longer than other nations.

Naivety and stupidity are the hallmarks of the 6th Labour Government
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December 21, 2022 8:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The vaccines are driving the surge in covid cases in NZ. Fact. Inconvenient, but a fact. Most of my jabbed friends have had covid at least once, most of them twice since getting stuck. None of my unjabbed friends have had it yet. No doubt we’ll get it sooner or later but we don’t actually care.
  It was warned (and ignored) that these experimental jabs would mess with the innate immune system. The real world evidence seems to support that.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    “It was warned (and ignored) that these experimental jabs would mess with the innate immune system.”
    
    Whether or not they work, all vaccinations tamper with the innate immune system. That is what they do.
    
    In doing so, they redeploy the body’s resources by crying wolf and telling the immune system there is a threat to be prepared for. The vaccine is essentially a mock up of the threat so the immune system knows what to look for.
    
    More normal vaccines (ie. those derived from the actual threat themselves) have many (maybe 20 or more) different characteristics that the immune system learns are a threat. As a result, they continue to work better when there are some mutations. They maybe no longer recognise one or two of the characteristics but they recognise the others.
    
    These mRNA synthetic vaccines are different. They train the body to divert most of its resources into identifying and attacking a very specific spike protein. If that protein changes, then the mutated virus is invisible to the highly trained-up immune system.
    
    The mutated virus must then be handled by the now depleted general immune system that has been robbed to respond to a virus that is no longer coming.
    
    I push back on your claim that unvaxxed people are not getting infected, but I partially agree with your observations. All the people that I know have had CV19 whether they are vaxxed or not. All the unvaxxed got infected by vaxxed people. All the people I know that have had CV19 more than once were vaxxed. None of the unvaxxed people I know have had it more than once.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:27am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      cmm – I appreciate your input and your comments make perfect sense, they explain what is happening very well.
      Re my observation on covid infection. To be fair, none of my unvaxxed friends have ever tested, we realised very early that by doing so we were validating and supporting a narrative that is based on lies. I had a bug last year, so did many of these same friends at various times, none of them bad enough to hospitalise us, in fact, none of them worse than any seasonal cold/flu. We might have had covid, but the tests are so unreliable we fail to see the point in having them.
      We mainly munched on vitamin C and zinc every day.
      
      Personally, I was close to getting a RAT when I had to go to hospital for a bad eye infection. Apparently a negative RAT test would mean the doctor didn’t need to wear PPE. Although I was opposed to testing, I felt it would be rude to make it inconvenient for the doctor and the RAT is certainly not as invasive as the idiotic PCR test.
      Anyway, when the nurse came back with the RAT test to administer, I asked him how accurate it was. His face dropped as he admitted it was less than 50% accurate.
      I said I wasn’t prepared toss a coin with all the associated hassles re isolation etc for me and my family and close associates, and that I would go home as I didn’t want to bug he doctor. Nurse insisted I stay.
      Doctor came in to examine my eye, got within 200mm of my face with his own face. He was in normal clothes, not even a mask. I apologised for any inconvenience. He said don’t worry about it.
      He obviously wasn’t terrified for his life dealing with an unvaxxed, unmasked, untested untermensch. Funny that.
      
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      December 21, 2022 10:49am
      - cmm
        
        ” I had a bug last year, so did many of these same friends at various times, none of them bad enough to hospitalise us, in fact, none of them worse than any seasonal cold/flu.”
        
        Very likely CV19. That’s what it was like for me and the missus (both unvaxxed), both tested positive with RAT about 4 days after developing symptoms.
        
        Neither of us registered our positive tests with the Covid Stasi.
        
        Funnily enough, about a month later I was admitted to hospital for an unrelated matter. I was only in for less than a day including going to theatre (in at 2 am, out at 6pm). I was given a PCR, but the results had not come back before going to theatre so they gave me a quick RAT which came back negative. An hour after going to theatre (just as I was discharging from hospital) the PCR came back positive. The PCR was detecting the remnants of my infection from over a month ago.
        
        So I ended up being counted as “hospitalised with CV19” even though I did not have CV19 at the time and certainly was not there because of CV19.
        
        With all the lies in the numbers there has been close to zero science during the pandemics.
        
        We might have wrapped our pandemics in more scientific language, but the actual handling is really no different to when they had those beak masks back in the 1600s.
        
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        December 21, 2022 11:37am
  - Alex
    
    Yes Friends getting Covid all vaxxed
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:24am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Alex – the real world data now pouring out should be impossible to ignore, but Ardern and her cowardly enablers in the NZ health services are apparently experts in sticking their fingers in their ears and yodeling “lalalalalalalalala” loudly and repetitively without even blushing. An incredible feat.
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:43am
Harry Knuts

Another day in Paradise! and another night with a robbery – Botany town Centre – 9pm last night.
Let’s assume there was more but not been reported yet. But don’t panic, Labour reckons there is no crime crisis although the NZ Police will contradict them publicly.
This is not just a south auckland thing. All over Auckland it is now the wild west of sorts. If you live north, west, east Auckland – be sure it’s happening in your hood. I bet Cindy doesn’t feel safe coming back to live in Auckland anymore!.
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December 21, 2022 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Three burglaries/robberies in Whangarei overnight, including one where a service station attendant was beaten to the ground and kicked on the head. I suppose we should be grateful the assailant didn’t have a knife or a machete.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:04am
  - cmm
    
    At least the crim was protected from harm. //
    
    It really is time that a crim gets shot/baseball-batted to death.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      cmm – it is the only thing that will deter them. The NZ police and the “justice” system encourage and enable them.
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:44am
- ecco
  
  I went into the icebreaker outlet at the airport strip. That had been ram raided and was being fixed. The bought out Nz media not even reporting all the incidents now.
  
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  December 21, 2022 4:35pm
Maggie Pie

And here’s another thing!

Someone needs to tell that Trump-hating Labor-loving Pom filling in for The Hosk on ZB, that if he needs to clear his throat on air…..at least have the courtesy to switch off the mic first.

I mean f–k me, you’d never hear Kate or Mike engaging in such vileness. Nearly made me throw up 🙁
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December 21, 2022 8:54am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Mage, stop listening to him. Then you won’t feel like wretching each morning. Life is too short to listen to shit you don’t like!
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner tuned in the the Business Report. Doesn’t even have that on!
    Hosking goes away and it’s like the world has stopped!!
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:51am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yeah, the station just becomes a clone of every other station, bar for the fact that they actually speak in adult speak rather than banal small child speak. Never ceases to amaze me that DJ’s in their 30’s and 40’s talk like they are 18.
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:05am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Maybe he thinks he’s being genuine and rustic! hahah LOL
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just before the 6:30 News. Sounded like half-a-lung!
    
    Typical pom. Heard him say he doesn’t tip either.
    
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    December 21, 2022 9:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Probably covid. Poor bastard. //
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:45am
- Paulus
  
  Hosk stand in is awful and his voice turns me off – like many female ones now in the spoken media – their voice pitch (screech) is all wrong but that the way it is taught and expected.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Tim Dower isn’t Labour-loving. Here’s a piece from him from just a couple of weeks ago:
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/opinion/tim-dower-dont-be-fooled-by-governments-three-waters-backdown/
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s all very well.
    The main point I was making is why would he think listeners need to be subjected to him hocking a loogie on air?
    
    You don’t have the audio-link to that do you Tony?
    
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    December 21, 2022 12:10pm
- cmm
  
  At least 50% of the announcers on Red Radio have some sort of speech impediment: eg. lisp, terrible nasal problems, false teeth or an Irish/whatever accent.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:41am
Rusty

Jacinda Ardern has cultivated an image on the world stage as the poster girl for the woke culture that it probably isn’t surprising she appears in the Harry & Meg doco.

Harry and Meg are of a similar age and world view to Jacinda’s that in a way the PM doesn’t look out of place appearing in it.
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December 21, 2022 8:55am
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

Willie Jackson is delaying taking a draft United Nations’ Declaration Plan to Cabinet because he knows ministers won’t support it
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jackson-not-comfortable-with-co-governance-draft

So far it seems Willie (“democracy has changed”) Jackson is still to present a watered down report back from the Maori ēlite to Cabinet.

■ The “Māori conversation” on “co-governance” is between Crown and “targeted” Maori Elite
■ Willie Jackson filters that response, but is yet to deliver his version of it to Cabinet

Meanwhile law – the Water Utilities Bill, part of which Mahuta (through negotiation with the Greens) tried to have entrenched – involving co-governance, has been passed in Parliament

■ Ask Christopher Luxon where Ardern’s promised “conversation” is.
National and ACT are, after all, the Opposition
I think
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December 21, 2022 8:57am
- Prince
  
  Ardern lied. Yawn.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:30am
  - Yvette
    
    No, Prince, I would hope this is not dissmissed by just a ‘yawn’.
    
    Labour’s co-governance consultation with Maori was with just some targeted Maori Elite.
    So nothing like ‘all’ Maori
    Their response is filtered by Jackson, so not fully presented to Cabinet
    That filtered response seems to have not even taken place yet
    for Cabinet to themselves rehash it, as they will.
    
    So of course any promised “public consultation on Māori co-governance ~~will~~ WON’T happen in 2022”
    Meanwhile law involving co-governance, has been passed in Parliament
    Done deal
    
    Now, Prince, you can go “Ardern lied. Yawn”
    
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    December 21, 2022 12:50pm
cmm

I predicted massive spin was used to turn the “prick” comment into a positive for Cindy. And I was right.

Here’s the Guardian:

“Jacinda Ardern auctions off ‘arrogant prick’ comment to raise money for prostate cancer charity”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/16/jacinda-ardern-auctions-off-arrogant-prick-comment-to-raise-money-for-prostate-cancer-charity

From what I can make out about reality:
* This was Seymour’s idea.
* Seymour did the legwork.

Yet as it is spun:
* No mention of Seymour in the headlines
* Picture of Cindy (none of Seymour)
* Cindy’s idea.
* Cindy’s effort.
* Cindy raised $100k.
* Cindy is awesome!

As much as I despise Cindy and her spin team, I must acknowledge their skill.
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December 21, 2022 9:02am
- Cassandra
  
  20 communications staff and lots of contacts at the Guardian. All Cindys’s work but your money.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:04am
Fishing in the dark

Just keep voting these corrupted clowns in, all what you get in the return is definitely a 3rd world country and on top of it a deep red communistic country as well.
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December 21, 2022 9:07am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The Greens in Germany are driving their once proud industrial economy over the cliff as we type. An identity politics worshiping and climate hysteria believing acquaintance over there is paying astronomical prices to stay warm in winter (on a very high salary of course) but still thinking all will be well. No mention of how this might be affecting the elderly and poor (as usual).
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:04pm
Maggie Pie

INTERESTING?

One of the girls from tennis owns a high-end fashion boutique in Westfield Mall.
She’s a personal friend of Ivanka Trump.
According to Prue, Ivanka’s hubby Jared may be taking over from Elon as CEO of Twitter.
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December 21, 2022 9:10am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, have a bit of sympathy for the old Twitterati who have already been driven to outrage by Musk’s takeover. Jared as the new CEO would send them into a state of insanity.
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a good thing.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’ve just read Kushner’s book about his time in the Trump White House. He certainly put in a huge amount of work to try and bring Israel and the Palestinians closer together.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:10am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Do “high end fashion” people actually go into Westfield Malls Mage? Seems a bit cringe to me.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:14am
- Ross Campbell
  
  First time I have heard a recycled clothing store in Manukau City described as “high end” but I don’t follow Ivanka Trump on Twitter either so I’m really not with the in crowd.
  
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  December 21, 2022 12:15pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ahh Jared, the Mega Slumlord of New York. This will be interesting if true. IT’s not like he needs a job??? he’s made huge money on real estate on his own to date.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:45pm
Inandout

Sometimes fate can be ironical. Robert de Niro, that mouthy actor, has had his NY rented apartment (US$30k a month) burgled by a serial offender. See what happens when an important person is affected.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nyc-serial-burglar-accused-of-breaking-into-robert-de-niros-home-ordered-held-on-2480k-bond/ar-AA15uDFF
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December 21, 2022 9:20am
Ghost

Two related issues. How did we get to this point where the safety of children is now being pushed aside for the depravity of a few

Jon Uhler, a counsellor who works in the Pennsylvania and South Carolina prison systems, said that the general public is unaware of the push to normalise paedophilia in culture and academia.

https://greatgameindia.com/pedophilia-culture-academia/

Journalist shares shocking footage at ‘all ages’ drag show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWcDOwH9UE4
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December 21, 2022 9:46am
Taieri

the depravity of a few
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You mean “The Minor Attracted Persons”?
Slippery slope, slippery slope…or natural consequences of the recent developments in the field of sexuality.
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December 21, 2022 9:58am
ClanMcleod

Oh dear, this is a bit inconvenient for Diane Sarfati (who? Only NZ’s Director of Health) and the mouthpiece, Andrew Old.

Dr Kerryn Phelps reveals ‘devastating’ Covid vaccine injury, says doctors have been ‘censored’

Who is this “conspiracy nutter?”

Kerryn Phelps, former President of the Australian Medical Association and a former federal MP.

….he and her wife both suffered serious and ongoing injures from Covid vaccines, while suggesting the true rate of adverse events is far higher than acknowledged due to underreporting and “threats” from medical regulators.

“This is an issue that I have witnessed first-hand with my wife who suffered a severe neurological reaction to her first Pfizer vaccine within minutes, including burning face and gums, paraesethesiae, and numb hands and feet, while under observation by myself, another doctor and a registered nurse at the time of immunisation,” the 65-year-old said.

“I continue to observe the devastating effects a year-and-a-half later with the addition of fatigue and additional neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several specialists who have told me that they have seen ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation.”

This is the equivalent of Saint Ash coming out and making similar comments. It would utterly destroy the narrative still being pushed by the dangerous morons running NZ Health or whatever they are called these days. Where are our medical people? Still terrified that they will be ostracised and smeared for telling the truth. It is horrendous what is happening in this country.

Most countries now at least are permitting the conversation that needs to be had. Not New Zimbabwe. Ardern has the narrative still under lock and key, do dissension permitted. She has made the country worse than North Korea.

https://www.thechronicle.com.au/technology/science/dr-kerryn-phelps-reveals-devastating-covid-vaccine-injury-says-doctors-have-been-censored/news-story/0c1fa02818c99a5ff65f5bf852a382cf
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December 21, 2022 10:12am
- kevn
  
  @Clan… Takes an actual personal effect for some folk to wake up and then realise.
  NZ Medical Assn are the same. Doctors are gagged with threat of de-registration.
  A worst kept dirty secret.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    @kevn – yes, and it still stuns me that they are continuing to lie and obfuscate when the truth is right there in front of them. The longer they try and cling to this nonsense the bigger the eventual fallout is going to be.
    
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    December 21, 2022 10:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nuremberg 2.0 will fix it, but it will never get off the ground in NZ.
      They need to own this. The MOH, the Blofeld typed, the modelers, the Ministers and the Prime Minister.
      “Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who choose to opt out will not be punished” (paraphrased)
      This is the biggest lie from Jaspinda, she blackmailed us using lockdowns and a passport to get part of your freedom. Fuck, talk about control!!
      
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      December 21, 2022 11:10am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Steve – you’ll appreciate this post from the Conservative Woman site. UK centric but applies fully to most countries, especially NZ.
        
        It’s War And The Enemy Is Our Government
        
        Black propaganda has been the main weapon of war these past two and a half years. From the nonsense of a so-called ‘killer disease’ to the lockdowns of populations. The ‘do not resuscitate’ notices introduced into the care systems. Midazolam, that drug quietly used on many older people. The masks to frighten and harm people. Then of course the rollout of the experimental injections, which in spite of the deaths and injuries across the world are still being touted by our government and its controlled health system as being ‘safe and effective’ when nothing could be further from the truth.
        
        https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/its-war-and-the-enemy-is-our-government/
        
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        December 21, 2022 11:24am
- Ross Campbell
  
  “She has made the country worse than North Korea”.
  Only difference being of course that in North Korea everyday citizens don’t have the luxury of making ridiculous comments on blogs that others can have a good laugh at.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But you do in R. T. Rower
    
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    December 21, 2022 7:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
First in the BFD.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/trouble-is-coming-youd-never-guess-who-luxon-says-is-his-favourite-politician/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Why-National-Will-Fail-Us-All-2.pdf
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December 21, 2022 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Treaty.
  This is the Littlewood Draft which is the final draft from which the Maori
  version was made. The Maori version is called Te Tiriti.
  So if you want to know what the Maori version says, read the Littlewood draft. There are only three articles in the Treaty, and here they are.
  Article one:
  “The chiefs of the confederation of united tribes, and the other chiefs who have not joined the confederation, cede to the Queen of England forever the entire sovereignty of their country.”
  Article two:
  “The Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the chiefs and the tribes and to all the people of New Zealand, the possession of their lands, dwellings and all their property. But the chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes and the other chiefs grant to the Queen, the exclusive rights of purchasing such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to sell at such prices as may be agreed upon between them and the person appointed by the Queen to purchase from them.”
  Article three:
  “In return for the cession of their sovereignty to the Queen, the people of New Zealand shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights and privileges of British subjects will be granted to them.”
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:46am
  - alloytoo
    
    This was by far the best deal going at the time.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:51am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep it’s blatantly obvious to all but those who live in an (LSD augmented) alternative reality that Queen Vic didn’t do “co-governance” or anything vaguely like it, anywhere.
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The confusion of today is not lack of education, it is being unable to comprehend.
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:48am
Flossie

Last night on TV there was an item regarding Christchurch City Mission deciding to dole out food parcels rather than do a sit down Christmas dinner. The parcels contained ham, poultry, pavlovas, chocolates, and other seasonal delights.
A person was lining up to receive one and stated they’d lost their job during the year. He appeared fit and well and relatively articulate so why hasn’t he got another job? I’m of the understanding employers are desperately seeking staff.
And maybe if he didn’t spend money on bright artificial hair dye he could afford food?
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December 21, 2022 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anything ‘free’ is there for the taking.
  That is their attitude.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:18am
- rouppe
  
  A person was lining up to receive one and stated they’d lost their job during the year. He appeared fit and well and relatively articulate so why hasn’t he got another job?
  
  Who says he hasn’t? He only stated what had happened some time in the past, nothing about what had happened subsequently.
  
  And maybe if he didn’t spend money on bright artificial hair dye he could afford food?
  
  I saw some pretty modern cars being loaded up as well…
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:48pm
Surely Knott

Twitter Files 8 FBI paid twitter $3.5 million for staff to silence content including Hunter Biden info.

Why on this political blog are there not posts on our this decades biggest political corruption scandal?
Could we say now that the election was stolen?
What is the legal reprecussions?
What other media (online, print and news media) had the same sorts of deal with the feds – meetings or funding?
What about in NZ? The hunter biden tapes were also suppressed here by our media why? Hunters lifestyle is scandalous, but more importantly his bizarre financial relationships were suppressed which were in foreign countries which are now central to foreign policy.
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December 21, 2022 10:22am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11558251/FBI-paid-Twitter-3M-devoting-staff-processing-requests.html
  
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  December 21, 2022 10:27am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, the election was stolen. Many Democrats admitted that if they knew of the Hunter Biden scandal, they would not have voted Biden – enough of them to change the result, without taking into accout the jacked up ballots & fraud by the Dems.
    
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    December 21, 2022 11:17am
- cmm
  
  If Twitter were open to this deal, then what other deals were they open to – including, maybe, censorship relationships with China, Saudi Arabia etc.
  
  Heck, even little old NZ could find 3M of taxpayer’s money in the Covid budget!
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hunter is a crook, the whole Biden family are dishonest. They hate America.
  The laptop contents will come out. Seems there are now many copies of the hard drive.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:21am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s extremely damning. If US justice system was apolitical there would be a lot of people in serious legal jeopardy. Tarl Warwick (pithy US political commentator) summary on it: https://www.bitchute.com/video/_3icCNjcdtM/
  
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  December 21, 2022 12:07pm
cmm

Prebble says the cost of smokes has triggered a crime wave.

He’s only partially right.

It isn’t just the cost, but also the lack of consequences for those who choose to pinch them.

Essentially criminals do a calculation:

Value of crime = upsides (get loot, notoriety, fun) – downsides (prison if caught, getting shot,…).

In NZ the upsides are high and the downsides are low, so the value of committing crimes is high.

Certainly the high prices of smokes makes the upsides higher, but the other factors like fun are high too. Heck, they’re even doing ram raids and robberies for ice creams and lollies.

Reducing the price of cigarettes might shift the crime value equation, but so would increasing the consequences and making the downsides to committing crime higher.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-how-the-cost-of-cigarettes-is-fuelling-a-crime-wave/LFTZIYOIIJF5ZI3VFROP767FK4/
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December 21, 2022 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mad dog left out alcohol.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:23am
Jack5

With worry about dementia from head injury in sports, has the “Q-collar” reached NZ yet?

Selling for about $US200 ($NZ) in America, it is a light, cushioned collar that football players and others can wear round their neck to restrict blood flow to the brain. The makers reckon this gives the brain an extra layer of cushioning.

The “New York Times” reports that US football players on more than two dozen college and NFL teams are wearing the collars. They are controversial.

Tom Hoey, of the company that makes the collars, Q30 Innovations, told the newspaper: “We’re not talking about concussions. We are talking about the repetitive hits.The Q-Collar reduces the injury and changes to the brain caused by subconcussive impacts.

America’s Federal Food and Drug Administration seems to be cautious in its assessment of the device.

The NY Times says this of the FDA’s summary of the device, which it adds was “far more measured” than its approval in February of last year:

The agency cited uncertainty surrounding the imaging technology that the studies relied on. Those studies revealed, under certain circumstances, subtle changes in the brain tissue of high school football and soccer players who did not wear the Q-Collar, regardless of whether they experienced concussion symptoms. Those changes, detectable only with high-tech imaging, differed from changes in the brain tissue of the players who did wear it.

At the following link, you can read the summary:

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/DEN200017.pdf
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December 21, 2022 11:02am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! $US200 is about $NZ315.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minut they will be in the boxing ring.//
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:25am
Maggie Pie

Thort this would be a good time to share our ‘FESTIVE-EGG-NOGGIN’ recipe…..

12 Eggs
750 ml Whiskey (my partners fave for this is ‘Monkey Shoulder’)
2 liters French Vanilla Ice cream
1 tsp Nutmeg

Simply blend everything together in an electric mixer.
Refrigerate and serve cold. Shake before pouring.

– can make in 2 batches if you want-

You can thank me later 😀
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December 21, 2022 11:25am
Alex

Belarus to supply troops in Ukraine perhaps they won’t go to the front lines hungry and untrained like Russians.
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December 21, 2022 11:34am
Alex

How many adverts are usually the word Jeez as an exclamation, must be copyng Heather on ZB.
WELL it is Christmas let’s go for it.
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December 21, 2022 11:38am
cmm

According to Herald: Too many Maori and Asian people are drowning.

Well if the government tries to “solve” this they will do so by drowning more white kids to even up the stats.

Something I can never understand is that Maori and Polynesians keep banging on about their proud maritime heritage, being one with the sea, etc, yet so few can swim strongly. Why is that?

I’m not talking about competitive swimming for medals, but rather basic but strong swimming that will keep you alive if you fall off a boat etc. ie. being able to swim a few hundred metres and tread water for half an hour.

Could Maui swim? If so, how well?

The colonialists didn’t make the sea dangerous. It has always been so. Surely with all the Maori affinity with the sea they should be like ducks around water and outstrip their white brothers and sisters.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/too-many-maori-and-asian-people-are-drowning-can-better-cultural-understanding-reverse-the-trend/OOVWOHYYOBDWHNA64VL6DF2X7A/
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December 21, 2022 12:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It never ceases to amaze me how many Kiwis just can’t swim, when we are surrounded by water. Even at 70, if I fall out of my boat I will not drown. Thing is don’t panic. Go with the flow. Sooner or later you will be able to swim to a beach.
  I am way off being an Olympic swimmer. I swam in the Waikato river as a kid. About 11 miles from The Narrows to Hamilton.
  Parents, get your kids into the water.
  
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  December 21, 2022 1:08pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Spot on Steve. My late dad was a swimmer in his youth and always said, if you fall of your bike, you might break some bones or get some nasty scratches, but if you fall in water and can’t swim, you die. I could swim competently when I was 6 or 7. My daughters could swim (front crawl) out to rafts in both lakes and in the ocean when they were 6. The shallow end of swimming pools were for sooks!
    
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    December 21, 2022 2:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      6 or 7 seems about right for me.
      Been over the Raglan Bar a few times as a kid. The Bar can be unpredictable but I was always ready. What I was talking about before – if you are in the water on the Bar, and the tide is going out, never fight it. Go with the flow and come in at Ruapuke Beach.
      
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      December 21, 2022 2:45pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  cmm, the Maori maritime heritage is not far short of being myth now. Maori lost their maritime skills 100’s of years ago, and the loss began from the moment they landed here. And as for being at one with the sea, that is horseshit. They only “at one” they have with the sea is raping the sea of every living thing.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:09pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Lost their maritime skills? How do you think they got to Antartica then? //
    
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    December 21, 2022 3:05pm
Swifty

A bloody awesome achievement for a young fella:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/481191/taihape-teen-becomes-youngest-to-claim-shearing-world-record

I’d like to see more of this recognised and celebrated; people actually achieving something rather than simply being something.
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December 21, 2022 12:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is a lot of lambs. Good job done.
  
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  December 21, 2022 1:10pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yup swifty, match your sentiment. Did a wee bit of shearing when I was a young’un in the South Island. It was friggin’n hard work. My back feels sore just thinking about 746.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:14pm
cmm

Christchurch is now boasting that it has reduced emissions by 20% by switching many of the buses over to electric.

Well I’ll tell them how to drop the emissions by 66% overnight.

Just cut the number of buses to a third of what it is now.

It is very rare to see a bus with more than 5 passengers in Chch. Most of the time there are 2 or less. Buses run very frequently – much of the time with just one or even zero passengers on board.

Therefore the number of buses could be cut by a large number without filling up the buses. However, I’ll be gracious and make it 3.

We’re all paying the price for subsidising this useless service.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/130822699/christchurchs-buses-20-emissionfree-after-new-electric-vehicles-join-fleet
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December 21, 2022 12:50pm
- Taieri
  
  Just cut the number of buses to a third of what it is now.
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  In Dunedin they cut them by half. Allegedly due to the shortage of drivers. Now they are asking the public how to increase bus frequency. My suggestion: employ more drivers.
  
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  December 21, 2022 1:25pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes agree. Obscene waste of resources.
  
  If you own a car, the only way you would use PT in Christchurch is if you were banned from using your car. Which I fear will happen before too long,
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:34pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Only if we let it happen Benedict
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:57pm
- Sparrow
  
  I frequently see the bus which operates between Wellsford and Warkworth. Occasionally it has one or two passengers its mostly empty. I believe locals demanded the service who is subsidizing the service ? Possibly I see it at non peak times . Can anybody elaborate?
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:41pm
- cmm
  
  I just had a wee drive from the Chch city centre to Sumner and back.
  
  On the way out, I passed 5 buses coming from Sumner and on the way back I passed 6 going out. That’s more than one every 5 minutes.
  
  Of those 11 buses:
  * One had approx 8 passengers (the most I have seen for a very long time).
  * Three had 3 or 4 passengers.
  * Three had two passengers.
  * Four had zero passengers.
  
  Each of those buses is chomping about 30-40 litres of diesel per 100km, as well as 4 drivers (that’s how many it requires to put 1 driver on 1 shift), as well as the costs of maintenance and depreciation on a $400k bus (rough guess, $2-3 per km).
  
  The cost of running this service is insane. It would be far cheaper for the tax/rate payers to provide “free” Uber services and the emissions would be far less too (ignoring whether or not emissions are really a problem).
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:44pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Welcome to the new religion “Public transport = good” “Cars = evil”
    
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    December 21, 2022 2:48pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yep, if the clowns that advocated for this “build it and they will come” strategy now took an honest look at how it has worked out we could take back the road lanes used for bus and cycle lanes. We have had plenty of these for quite a few years now – and people are NOT using them. But clearly the strategy now is to continue the war on the private motorist with the intent of driving us out of our cars.
    
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    December 21, 2022 3:01pm
- bco90
  
  Where is the electricity for those buses coming from?
  
  Burning dirty imported Indonesian coal, perhaps? If so, has there really been reduced emissions overall?
  
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  December 21, 2022 9:40pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

Someone mentioned this last week or so, but I just made my submission on the changes to Firearms admin and permits and fees.
“Pay to Police”.

New fees are being tacked onto everything (in the realm of $1000-2000), per unit charges, and existing fees going up 200-400%.
Only things I agree with were the tourists wanting to hunt here might pay $400 instead of $25 to trophy hunt. They are not taxpayers.
Also if you lose a license, you might pay $40 to replace it.
But the other sums being asked are high enough to be harmful to individuals and the firearms community around deterring open activity or compliance, driving out people entirely , or raising prices for purchasers.

The cost recovery is due to the need to administer a firearms registry, new much more complex licensing, and admin for permits for activities like sales or transporting a firearm.etc.

All of this was policy the police wanted, and now they seek to take it out from the impacted community.
To quote from the feedback survey: https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/programmes-and-initiatives/consultation-arms-regulations-review-fees-2022
This is to “….cover the cost of regulatory activity”.

If they want money for what is now a policy, they should resource for it or talk to the government. The sheer cheek of this! Or take $ from the proceeds of crime.

This is going to kill off community events like military commemorations, or amateur theatricals (which are primarily volunteers who already spent up large) or even kill off the sales in the halls ‘gun shows’ where small dealers might have sold on tables…and the police would attend and walk amongst us.
Now you pay for the privilege all this via requested permits, and the police pay for their charge out onsite!

If Police have made this all too complex, then that is on them. There is NO cost to the police as such as they are already funded by the taxpayer. The only costs is ‘opportunity cost’ of doing something different. But when I read the police in Auckland were taking time out to weave flax baskets (literally true) then I think attending a gun show is somewhere in the middle between that and pursuing of gangs shooting up the suburbs.

They have already made admin more complex for gun clubs and shooting ranges, which is likely to make such community groups or legal locations close.

Licence applications – modelled between >$200 to $700 based on $ ‘cost recovery’.

Here are some examples:
Gun show -application fee $1,020-1,120 plus staff member (per staff) $1,120-1,240 per day).

Museum curator, if cost recovery, proposed in ballpark of $2,000 (which might lead to some museums ditching heritage items).

Ensdorsements (collector, theatrical, prohibited, etc.) $1,200 to $1500 proposed per endorsement.

Permission to transport an endorsed item – $1020-$1,100 permit plus $560-620 for staff member to attend.

Theatrical Armourer permit – $2,100-2,300.

Only thing proposed as free was the posting of firearms internally (permit to mail), which was however going to be reviewed once the firearms registry was in place!

Another reason I can’t wait for the election!
And the irony is that the police inappropriately gave a licence to Tarrant, but not following their own process around character reference. i.e they have hijacked the tragedy from their own fuck-up, and using it to go after the compliant and law abiding!
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December 21, 2022 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

New Zealander’s being asked “TO RAT ON THEIR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS”

Well if that hairdo doesn’t convince you….what will?

https://twitter.com/Preston01221899/status/1605061615065305088

(OMG – the comments!)
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December 21, 2022 1:01pm
Maggie Pie

As I’ve mentioned previously, my partner is an avid collector of Antique Weapons & Memorabilia.

When I drew his attention to this story in the New York Post he was mortarfied……

https://trib.al/5F3kD5n
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December 21, 2022 2:00pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  And Russia has the KGB…
  So, this is where we are heading?
  You know a govt department has major emotional issues when they engage in this kind of dobbing-in-ya-neighbours attitude.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:49pm
Benedict Yu

There is a deep freeze headed across the USA, just in time for Christmas.

Sub zero temperatures in places like Tennessee and Florida

https://www.tennessean.com/story/weather/2022/12/19/nashville-weather-dangerous-cold-air-coming-to-middle-tennessee/69739581007/

Tomorrow it will be minus 11 C in Dallas Texas

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Dallas+TX?canonicalCityId=3bef7f8bb00708145ceebe387a6de1b2098d40101d65836dd79c94d1dfe0c20b

I guarantee that I will find journalists blaming “climate change” for this deep freeze 🙂
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December 21, 2022 2:28pm
- mandk
  
  The climate has changed often over the course of time, and it is evidently changing now.
  
  The question is whether the change has anything to do with human activity. I’m unconvinced on this point.
  
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  December 21, 2022 2:34pm
  - Taieri
    
    The question is whether the change has anything to do with human activity.
    —————
    
    The question should be: what is the optimal climate and why?
    Notwithstanding the fact that “climate” is not a global but regional phenomenon, consequently all talk about the “climate change” makes no sense.
    
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    December 21, 2022 3:38pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its freezing in the UK now too
  Energy costs are so high now that people are being forced to ‘warm banks’ to stay warm.
  https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/struggling-afford-heating-bills-britons-turn-warm-banks-keep-out-cold-2022-12-20/
  Then there’s this
  https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/snow-extent-northern-hemisphere-highest-56-years-winter-cold-rrc/
  I’m amazed they still don’t allow Fracking and that the public aren’t demanding it.
  Thousands will die.
  
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  December 21, 2022 3:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Isn’t the phrase du jour ‘global heating’?
  
  A bit out of step with the narrative, though.
  
  Inconvenient.
  
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  December 21, 2022 7:13pm
alloytoo

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/hamilton-gas-station-held-up-by-four-masked-robbers-armed-with-machete/

Machete has become the tool of choice for these mongrels
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December 21, 2022 3:14pm
- Taieri
  
  Four youths, aged 19, 18, 17 and 15, were arrested on Monday and charged in connection with the burglaries.
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  So, 18 and 19 years old are now classed as “youths”. And, no doubt, will be offered “wrap around care”.
  
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  December 21, 2022 3:24pm
  - cmm
    
    The definition of “youth” varies widely and is highly manipulated for activism reasons.
    
    Even within UN organisations the definitions are widely different.
    
    UNESCO uses 15 to 24.
    UNICEF/WHO use 15-24. “Young people” are 10 to 24.
    UN Habitat youth fund uses 15 to 32.
    
    African Youth Charter uses 15-35!
    
    Geez, historically speaking a 35 year old in Africa was considered a very wise old man!
    
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    December 21, 2022 4:44pm
  - Swifty
    
    Youth in NZ used to mean under 18.
    
    Don’t know if it still does.
    
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    December 21, 2022 5:23pm
- Swifty
  
  I think it’s worth pointing out that right now should a local dairy owner or worker respond to the next machete-wielding assailant by giving them a blast in the chest with a 12-gauge, there wouldn’t be a jury in the land that would convict him or her.
  
  I think too that there would be widespread anger if they were even charged with any offence – on the clear and obvious grounds of self-defence.
  
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  December 21, 2022 5:27pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I agree about the jury thing. If a ram-raider gets a lead sandwich we all think he earned it. Of course when he shoots back it all gets harder ….
    
    So how does one feel the police should deal with “self -defence” killings . ? Bit of a stretch for the “discretion” thing.
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ to Ban Free Speech?
https://valiantnews.com/2022/12/new-zealand-to-ban-free-speech-to-protect-religious-groups-from-insult-or-abuse/
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December 21, 2022 3:29pm
- cmm
  
  Small print: Only select religious groups.
  
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  December 21, 2022 4:34pm
rouppe

A terrible tragedy

But I don’t understand

The distress of the community was compounded by the grief and worry they still felt from the Christchurch mosque attacks

When the offender is Indian

The man, who was granted interim name suppression so that his parents in India could be notified of the murder charge

How do those tie together?

This is surely more like the killing of Amber-Rose Rush?
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December 21, 2022 3:32pm
- cmm
  
  I suppose that being Muslim, they could legitimately feel some sense of persecution and this has been made worse by what appears on face value to potentially be another cross-cultural attack on a Muslim person.
  
  Of course at this stage we don’t know whether this was motivated by the victim being a Muslim or whether they’re just strumming this guitar string to garner some sympathy. For all we know at this stage it could be a lovers’ tiff gone wrong.
  
  Still, a terrible business and no person deserves this type of attack.
  
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  December 21, 2022 5:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Flippity-Floppity PM has to backtrack once again…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-jacinda-ardern-clarifies-christmas-covid-comments-as-cases-increase/SBTN67V5YBBHFJQ5XA625LMSCE/
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December 21, 2022 3:33pm
- septic skeptic
  
  It’s only a flip-flop when Luxon does it.
  
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  December 21, 2022 5:02pm
  - cmm
    
    Can we make a contraction of a Jacinda Jandal?
    
    Maybe a Jacandal?
    
    Looks like a jandal but has the straps on both sides.
    
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    December 21, 2022 5:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is where the World is headed. Shoot your Mother for disputing a virtual reality headset. Notice – no mention of a Father. Wonder if he was in anti-psychotic meds?
https://gopnewsfeed.com/10-year-old-boy-charged-as-adult-after-murdering-his-own-mother/
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December 21, 2022 3:47pm
- cmm
  
  These days it is more likely an “imaginary father” aka “Mommy’s friend uncle Tommy”.
  
  I think gun ownership is a fine thing, but if you have kids then keep the guns out of their hands. Still, if it hadn’t been a gun it would have been a carving knife or a crossbow.
  
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  December 21, 2022 4:33pm
cmm

Why does Cindy need to “clarify” her statements.

You’d think that with a awesome communications degree from the most awesomest department at the most awesomest university in the awesomest Aotearoa, as well as a communications staff of 20 or so almost equally qualified people, and a PhD in awesomeness, the stupid (inaudible) would get it right first time.

Especially when standing on the Podium Of Truth!

She should not have to follow up what she says with clarifications all the time. She hasn’t got the dementia excuse that Unca Joe has.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-jacinda-ardern-clarifies-christmas-covid-comments-as-cases-increase/SBTN67V5YBBHFJQ5XA625LMSCE/
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December 21, 2022 4:29pm
cmm

Maori “students” are stood down from schools at twice the rate of white kids, because of….
RACISMS!

Bullshit.

I bet the teachers and staff are bending over backwards to tolerate bad behaviour from Maori to put a thumb on the scale and avoid being called racist. And yet, even with a huge thumb on the scale the Maori “students” are still getting sanctioned at twice the rate.

I’ll bet a servo pie that a huge number of those Maori kids that are being suspended are being suspended by Maori staff. ie. those who do not feel the pressure of being labelled as racists and can therefore have the freedom to act.

And, of course, the only solution is the Maorify schools more.

After the success taking over 3W, are the 3Rs next?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-students-stood-down-at-rate-twice-that-of-pakeha-students-for-punishment/PCQ356VV7FC5FL6QR6GKA2XK4E/
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December 21, 2022 4:51pm
- Swifty
  
  90 plus percent of NZ’s jail population is male – does that make our justice system sexist?
  
  No, it means that more men commit and are convicted of imprisonable offences.
  
  There’s a lesson there for those who wish to see it.
  
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  December 21, 2022 5:20pm
bennerg

Stuff stuffed:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018870416/stuff-s-regional-rejig-and-staff-strife
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December 21, 2022 4:52pm
- than
  
  Glad to have helped this by not clicking their website and articles (except on rare occasions I’ll admit).
  
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  December 21, 2022 5:15pm
- graham
  
  I’m not by nature a vindictive or spiteful person (no, honestly), but in this case I can’t help but chuckle.
  
  It appears that despite all their holier-than-thou preaching, loud proclamations of “fierce independence” and incessant sucking up to all things Maori, Stuff is still basically failing at their core role – to keep people informed.
  
  Can’t help but think, “You had ONE job …”
  
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  December 21, 2022 8:23pm
Maggie Pie

WORD of the day…

Mongrelizm (n)

– $tuffNZ
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December 21, 2022 4:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Context….
  
  “He sacrificed his life for Mongrelizm”
  
  – Mongrel Mob Kingdom Prezident – FB post.
  
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  December 21, 2022 6:12pm
  - Ghost
    
    Hmmm
    
    The labour party are full of Mongrelizm?
    
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    December 21, 2022 6:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Vern. It is a Mongrelizm bastard.
    
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    December 21, 2022 7:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Mongoloid?
      As in Devo’s famous lyrics:
      “He was Mongoloid, he was a Mongoloid”
      
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      December 21, 2022 8:21pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I used to love Devo as a teenager. I saw a Devo doco recently and discovered they are loony-left space cadets. As is so often the case with the arty farties.
        
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        December 21, 2022 8:52pm
Ghost

A good news follow up to the man that was beaten by the boy racers

The wife of the man who was put in an induced coma after an alleged altercation with a group of street racers says he is now awake, blinking and squeezing hands in what she is calling a “Christmas miracle”.

Mark Maclean was badly injured on December 9 in the driveway of his home on the corner of Falls Rd and Hudson Rd in Warkworth, north Auckland, about 11.30pm.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/warkworth-assault-christmas-miracle-as-critically-injured-man-wakes-from-coma-can-blink-and-squeeze-hands/OUQD5WAKBNENRLMOIGCYVFW6OY/
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December 21, 2022 5:33pm
David Lenny

Several days ago there were some comments in GD on the sustainability of earth’s rising population and China’s contribution to it. For those interested, here’s a link to China and its likely working age population this century.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3203833/chinas-shrinking-working-age-population-send-ripples-through-global-economy

For the tl;dr crowd, key points are: 1) China’s working age population dropped ~1% last year; 2) its working age population will drop 60% by the end of the century; 3) this will probably reduce China’s gross GDP growth; 4) India will replace China as the most populous country.
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December 21, 2022 5:34pm
- NothingLeft
  
  China has been lying about population for 20 years, local govts lying to get more money for schools. Fuxian yi (US based demographics researcher) has used various publicly available proxies for population (baby and childhood goods sales, education info, and a huge Shanghai police data leak) to show that their population is closer to 1.28billion than 1.4, there are 1/3rd as many 5 year olds as 50, working age pop is dropping and women of child bearing age is about to decline steeply. China is in major demographic trouble, hopefully enough to limit the military hegemonic danger they pose to the world
  
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  December 21, 2022 6:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s not demographic ‘trouble’, it’s good news for the entire biosphere.
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:22pm
- cmm
  
  Rising population???
  Fear not, the global population is peaking soon (within the next 50 years) and has already peaked in many countries.
  
  It is only really Africa and Pacific that have not got the message yet.
  
  The people that are still breeding fast are those who tend to consume less resources (eg. Africans), so global resource consumption is going to likely start sliding soon.
  
  Africa is a machine that converts calories into people. It lives on hand outs. When those hand outs dry up their breeding will slump. Fast.
  
  As food prices go up, that will also impact Africa first. I would expect we’re going to see a demographic blip in Africa caused by the food prices/shortages due to the Ukraine war. Even with that war ending (sometime), the prices will likely fall but then start to rise again as global production falls and prices go up.
  
  Rich countries can only hand out foreign aid when they have enough money to do so. They won’t be able to as economies slump.
  
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  December 21, 2022 6:09pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Written as though foreign aid is a major portion of any country’s budget.
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:24pm
Ghost

The official results for the Hamilton West by-election are in, confirming National’s Tama Potaka’s win over Labour’s Georgie Dansey.

According to the Electoral Commission’s official results, which also include special votes, 15,104 votes were recorded in the December 10 by-election.

Of those, 6974 votes (46 percent) went to Potaka, while 4541 (30 percent) went to Dansey. The ACT Party’s Dr James McDowall received 1515 (10 percent), while former MP Dr Gaurav Sharma received 1242 (8 percent).

The rest of the votes were spread among other candidates, while 37 were informal votes.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/hamilton-west-by-election-official-results-show-how-much-national-beat-labour-by-number-of-disallowed-votes.html
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December 21, 2022 5:37pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

An interesting snippet coming out of reporting of the initial court appearance of the alleged Massey (Akld) murderer:

“Fayyaz said there were a couple of thousand ethnic Hazaras in Auckland, with most coming from the Tampa. In 2001 438 refugees were rescued by the Norwegian container ship Tampa”.

Just goes to show that each refugee brings several.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300770617/family-of-young-woman-allegedly-killed-in-massey-call-accused-coward-in-court
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December 21, 2022 5:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “They are us”
  
  – New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern.
  
  Isn’t diversity a wonderful thing?
  
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  December 21, 2022 6:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m even prepared to tolerate limited numbers of Catholics residing in Otahuhu for the sake of diversity.
    
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    December 21, 2022 8:25pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130836791/green-mp-eugenie-sage-to-step-down-at-next-election
How the hell will she survive without taxpayer money ?
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