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kiwikidsnz

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/488449/australia-announces-pathway-to-citizenship-for-new-zealanders

Just in time for the general election
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April 22, 2023 8:02am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Won’t this just accelerate the best and brightest fleeing to Australia?
  
  I would prefer the government focus on policies to improve the living standards of New Zealanders in New Zealand. Most New Zealanders in Australia do just fine. It is particularly startling how well Maori do in Australia. No welfare to fall back on. Can’t tell the Australians they are racist. Who would have thought? 😂
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:06am
  - Cinematic
    
    Exactly what it will do. Oz is already taking any NZ workers it can get, this will accelerate the outflow. Hipkins is very dim.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:25am
    - PeeJay
      
      I’ve been approached by a few Australian firms and agents in the last month or two. I’d considered Aussie before as there are good opportunities out there but as it is impossible to become a resident then citizen post-45, I’d not seriously considered it. Sure, the SCV gives kiwi’s the rights to live and work, but if I had moved, I’d have liked the opportunity to fully integrate and set down roots – the SCV does mean kiwi’s are effectively second class citizens and that didn’t really appeal to me.
      
      Now, it looks like it might seriously be an option so I’m certainly re-thinking Aussie as an option. I love NZ, particularly the skiing in winter time (the singular reason I live in the South Island!!) but the wages in my profession are considerably higher in Aussie than in NZ and with the NZ economy looking to hit the doldrums, I’m certainly considering a move now.
      
      I don’t think I’ll be the only one considering the changes and thinking about giving it a serious look.
      
      In a race for talent, this does look like an own goal by the NZ government. I suppose it does mean NZ could be a back door into Aussie again though, but as the Aussies are doing everything they can to attract talent, NZ risks being left behind and worse, losing talented kiwi’s as well.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:31am
    - Bevan
      
      What exactly can Chippy do? Pass a law to prevent Australia passing a law??
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Australian citizenship change for some New Zealanders isn’t as momentous as Labour and its media lackeys will paint it.
      
      And it seems there are still: a character requirement; tests to assure you meet an English-language standard, and have a basic knowledge of Australia; and costs running to hundreds of dollars.
      
      Australian information release:
      
      https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-media/archive/article?itemId=1047
      
      Character check:
      
      https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/character
      
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      April 22, 2023 1:42pm
  - Colville
    
    Its an incredible own goal.
    All our best and brightest being poached by Aussie…and the morons at Labour think its worth celebrating!!
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:27am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    The “best & brightest” deserve their opportunity: NZ has only itself to blame.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      We’ll be recommending our daughter to head to foreign shores when the time comes. Heartbreaking, but the way this country is heading, there is going to be nothing here for her.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:06am
    - Ipanema69
      
      Exactly. Number 2 son already at Uni in Aus. Number 1 son heading there after finishing Uni in New Zealand at years end.
      
      To all the morons who voted for Winston in 2017 dont start bitching about not being able to see your kids and grandkids, your decision will have consequences.
      
      Same message to the 53% who voted for that nice Jacinda who saved you from Covid.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:36am
  - Bevan
    
    Well technically, this is the Australian government’s focus – not NZ.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:22pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It is so depressingly transparent isn’t it?
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:07am
  - NK
    
    It’s the nail in the coffin for this country.
    
    Second World status brought forward by a few years now.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:49am
    - Bevan
      
      I’ve said it before, to rebuild NZ properly you need to let the current experiment fail.
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Albanese has also secured the next two general elections for his party in Oz .
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure Alabo is still not the redeeming PM and this move, which along with the easiing the 501s is very quietly announced there by their media.
    Neither, I am told, is a very popular move by the thinkers in Canberra.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:21am
    - Bevan
      
      He is light years ahead compared to Dutton. I’m a strict right voter in NZ, but just could not consider voting for Dutton.
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:27pm
  - PeeJay
    
    I think you might be right about this – certainly looks strong for the next elation.
    
    With the Liberals in a bit of disarray at the moment and looking profoundly ‘in the past’, reasonable moves like this make ‘Albo’ look like a sensible and fair leader and he’s also secured a solid voting block.
    
    The kiwi’s that benefit from this change might not back Labor forever, but they’ll certainly be appreciative for a while.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:46am
    - Flossie
      
      Maybe the Aussies will be less inclined to vote Labor now as they are not keen on Kiwis coming over and taking resources.
      I agree it all sounds wonderful but having been there, done that, and returned to NZ it is not all moonlight and roses there either. Personally I’m glad to be Home, as this is where my heart is. Not saying it’s all that great heregreat here but if you go be realistic.
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  A slap in the face for Chris Hipkins too, who was going to Australia today to make a joint announcement with PM Albanese. Except someone put out a press release with the news before Hipkins had even left New Zealand!
  
  But if you’re anywhere near an airport over the next few months, mind you don’t get trampled in the rush of departing Kiwis.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:00pm
- Reg Perrin
  
  Quote from Hipkins. Well we’ve stuffed education, health, crime and the economy but at least our people can get away from all the damage we have caused
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:05pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because they know they will lose big time this year on overseas voting, I don’t think people will be too worried about this, level headed voters remember Helen Clark selling out NZers in Aussie for 6 pieces of silver, lest we forget
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:36pm
- Justitia
  
  Repairing the damage done by Helen Clark in 2001 and preparing the way for the exodus after the election if Labour are re-elected.
  
  The best outcome would be for Australians and New Zealanders to have dual citizenship in both countries, as a stepping stone to New Zealand federating with Australia.
  
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  April 22, 2023 2:09pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Eating Bugs to Change the Weather
because logic is over-rated

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/friday-funnies-eating-bugs-to-change?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

[Your link is fixed. mod.]
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April 22, 2023 8:02am
- Bridgenag
  
  Thanks Mod….better stick with tried and true ☺ Weird that everything applies here
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:51am
Yvette

Co-governance: give nothing to racism and give it a go
Meng Foon Jun 24 2022

A cherrypicked excerpt –
… As a young man I used to make all my decisions independently, and for the best as far as my perspective was concerned.
However, once I got married, my wife and I began sharing that decision-making (although to be honest I often defer to her). The process is always amicable and eventually we are both happy with the end result.
This was my first experience of co-governance.
In the workplace, many public sector boards now have more than 50% women membership after moves to improve diversity, a marriage of sorts with a new perspective represented at the highest level. Co-governance in effect. …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/129049161/cogovernance-give-nothing-to-racism-and-give-it-a-go

But can Meng Foon explain why Mana o te Wai Statements are exclusive to only one partner of the marriage? And “an affinity with water”, or “a natural closeness” – a “special need or yearning” doesn’t cut it. It is ethnic exceptionalism
Is it all like giving one partner $1,000 and the other $10,000
And the Maori Advisory Council is also like having a third party to the marriage – a bit on the side.
And surely all this infidelity can only lead to division (perhaps civil-whore) and divorce
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April 22, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “This was my first experience of co-governance.”
  Very good.
  Now my Partner is giving me a weird look because I laughed.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahaha, she might think you are talking about her.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:38pm
- graham
  
  … once I got married, my wife and I began sharing that decision-making … the process is always amicable and eventually we are both happy with the end result.
  
  But can Meng Foon explain why Mana o te Wai Statements are exclusive to only one partner of the marriage? And “an affinity with water”, or “a natural closeness” – a “special need or yearning” doesn’t cut it. It is ethnic exceptionalism
  Is it all like giving one partner $1,000 and the other $10,000
  
  Exactly. Co-governance as it is proposed does not allow for an amicable process, and is certainly not going to end up with all parties being “happy with the end result”. Far from being like a marriage, it is more like a caste system.
  
  Meng Foon’s opinion piece is so demonstrably false I wonder why he even bothered wasting his time writing it.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “all parties being “happy with the end result”
    Yep, you will be happy and own nothing. Democracy gone and ruled by Elite Maori Tyrants. A Coup. It is all in the Stop Co-Governance Blog.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:18am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  One party ends up being hen-pecked. ‘Yes, dear. Yes, dear.’
  
  That’s marriage, co-governance style.
  
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  April 22, 2023 6:41pm
Ignoranus

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Climate deniers who chant, “Science is never settled”, a question:

When you awoke this morning did you ponder if you would step out of bed and walk on the ceiling or the floor?
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April 22, 2023 8:07am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  No.
  
  The laws of Physics are stated facts which have been deduced and based on empirical observations over the last 5 centuries.
  
  Climate change is happening. However there is no law that guides is to what will happen. We just have models. There is certainly no law of climate change that points to optimum responses of EV subsidies or taxing cows.
  
  Nice try but your analogy of ceiling walking is flawed. 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:14am
  - Random T Person
    
    I still want to know how it can be that the arctic ice is melting, but the sea hasn’t risen and swamped us all. Surely the one thing leads to the next? Or so we were told. So if the sea hasn’t risen and the ice has melted, where’d all the water go?
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:45am
    - marcw
      
      It’s just science – when ice in water in a glass melts, the level of the water in the glass is unchanged.
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Not when an ice shelf collapses into the ocean. You’re thinking about an iceberg.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:11am
      - Paulus
        
        No, no,not according to the Greenies – We are all going to be flooded very soon as the ice melts so you must be wrong.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:24am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “Not when an ice shelf collapses into the ocean.”
        
        No in the ARCTIC no melting ice raises sea levels. It is all floating.
        
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        April 22, 2023 11:02am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      No not at all. Arctic ice melting has zero effect on sea level. Just like an ice cube melting in a glass of water does not affect the water level.
      
      Antarctic ice melting and sliding into the ocean will increase sea levels.
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wido – apologies, just saw you’d given more or less the same answer.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:12am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        There is no point down ticking – it is one of those pesky facts 🙂
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:39am
    - miltonF
      
      The water is inside the cells of all the new plants that are flourishing in this higher CO2 environment. The water is inside all of the livestock being supported by the new abundance in flora. The water is inside all of the human beings, whose population is exploding. The water is being locked up in irrigation ponds, public drinking water supplies and hydro electric dams. The water is being stored in plastic bottles in every store you visit. The water is being stored in private and public swimming pools. Etc etc.
      
      This is what frustrates me about the “climate change” debate. So many factors are excluded.
      
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      April 22, 2023 7:28pm
- Matt Long
  
  Did you watch the sun move around the world yesterday?
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That generally depends on how many whiskeys I had the night before.
  Back under your bridge, there’s a good troll.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:20am
- RightNow
  
  How pedestrian. Makes me miss Griff.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:30am
- Romney
  
  The weakness of this ‘argument’ is encouraging. Is this really all you have?
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:34am
- JJ56
  
  A better analogy would be:
  
  “Would you bet the farm on someone’s projection of what the economy will look like in 100 years time when their projections can’t even replicate what we’ve been through over the last few decades?”
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:38am
- Swifty
  
  That’s a ridiculous analogy.
  
  You are not comparing like with like.
  
  What has possessed you to come here with such weak material? Serious question.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:49am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The old idiot has been trolling this way for years on here under multiple nyms, of which my fave was “Occam’s razor”
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  Awoke !
  
  Good golly , with climate catastrophe , rising seas , extreme weather ,the planet burning up , who the ‘eck can get any sleep , with the worry of it all……….
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  No. But I did wonder if I’d wake to read a logic bereft mewling from a resident crayon aficionado and by jove I struck the jackpot.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I used to think ‘ignoranus’ was a clever play on words, but I’m beginning to suspect it’s actually a spelling mistake.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:14am
- I remember when
  
  Ignor
  I tried it and I didn’t find the answer.
  Perhaps you can provide it.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:14am
  - I remember when
    
    Perhaps you can tell us how much the Shiveluch volcanic eruption in Russia will affect the climate.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:37am
- sirknz
  
  Way to go there Socrates, you are clearly the preeminent thinker of our times with such stunning sophistry…
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:17am
- Romney
  
  Do you wake up thinking you can control gravity with taxes?
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:29am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Gravity science isn’t settled. Just Google the problems with the theory of gravity.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:33am
  - Lance
    
    Our understanding of electricity is actually rather flawed, same with light, radio waves and quantum mechanics etc. There is much conjecture. One example is CERN being built at a cost of $6,000,000,000 – so scientists can understand more of what they don’t know about quantum mechanics.
    And yet we use electricity, we can see, we communicate with radio waves and we use computers that rely on semiconductors which were designed on the back of our quantum mechanical theory which still has errors in it.
    
    We live in a world of which we have imperfect knowledge, but it doesn’t mean we have zero knowledge.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:52am
- Taieri
  
  When you awoke this morning did you ponder if you would step out of bed and walk on the ceiling or the floor?
  ——————–
  
  Are you OK apart from that? Asking for a friend…
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:15am
- Ghost
  
  No I got out of bed, got the fire going since the decades of promised warm weather hasn’t arrived yet
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:18am
- comm4nder
  
  If you are really are worried, watch this (it is only 6 minutes):
  https://youtu.be/8JiHbIW7ksg
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:33am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The one-track science denying bot has arrived.
  
  It’s programming has gone haywire. What a silly analogy. Alarmist “science” is so full of holes and shenanigans there is zero comparison. Can’t be bothered.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:34am
- pussycat
  
  Distinguished Professor Richard Lidzen explains.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWrehjaMFQ
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Graham Adams on 3 waters

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-labour-s-three-waters-refresh-is-a-tragi-comedy
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April 22, 2023 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, rather than sweeping flies off the turd Chippy has instead trodden in it and is now wandering around haplessly.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:18am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    All bullies are also cowards and history has shown that many politicans are bullies. The power goes to their heads. They dont have the intellectual capacity to deal with people in a civilised manner.
    And the majority are of the Left because the Left are incapable of procecuting their case without bullying.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Power goes to their heads?
      I wish I knew who you mean….
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:18am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… liarbour seem happy to die in a ditch over 3/5/10 Waters debacle.
  The bulk of NZer’s and councils say no.
  Who has what on who, to keep liarbour pushing ahead?
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:18am
  - mandk
    
    Labour keep blundering on with this because the Maori caucus has made it known that members will defect en masse before the election if the party does not follow the co-governance line.
    
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    April 22, 2023 8:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have stated that for months, I was laughed at on here. I remember a couple of weeks ago Jackson’s mate in the MP talking on a pod cast with him, he announced Jackson as coming over to the party he belongs in
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:42pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Maori Caucus threatening to defect to the Maori Party?
    
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    April 22, 2023 8:46am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Then the max number of seats they can get is 7 as they will never get more than 5% of the Party vote if that.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:03am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, they’ll continue to feed off their Labour Party hosts like the parasites they are. They won’t leave until they’ve consumed it, and Labour don’t even know they’re infested.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They gave Arden the ultimatum
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:44pm
- Toko
  
  Why have the public not caught on yet how damaging these separatist proposals are to the country’s future? We will turn into a Kūmara republic within a few years. I don’t fancy having the likes of Tuku Morgan wielding such power over major infrastructure, simply because he comes from the right Iwi. We don’t see a future here for our kids and have told them to move to Australia. One is already there and the other one will go soon. Two more professional young people lost to NZ. And they will be able to become citizens there soon with the new rules in Australia. Plenty of their friends are going too. Labour have ruined this country in five years.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:27am
  - kevn
    
    @Toko.. There is a queue of NZer’s to be processed for UK employment visas. Aucklanders have to go to Wellington to be done.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:40am
  - backster
    
    Tuku is Tainui. on whose behalf he will be exercising control over Ngati Whatua and Nga Puhi territory.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why not, we are already a banana republic
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:44pm
- Grunter
  
  A decent blog from Graham Adam’s. However, he incorrectly says that 84% of the population won’t be allowed to make a Te Mana o te Wai Statement. In reality it will be closer to 99%. Only a few local tribes people (called mana whenua) that are seen as the local authorities on all things true on Māori-wonderfulness will be accredited to issue a Te Mana o te Wai Statement. These will be the same unelected control freaks that appoint themselves to the “Partnership Board”.
  
  So the MahutaCorp family and the Tuku Morgans etc will be in 100% control. And when there is a scrap between different tribes in the same area then they will use traditional Maori customs to work out their differences….. What could ever go wrong??
  
  I predict the musket industry is looking like a good investment!
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Māori rightly say, ‘How do we get co-governance when we own 100 per cent of it?’
  John Tamihere.
  I have now completely changed my view of JT. Overcome by greed. I did think he was one of the sane ones of the bunch.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Al Capone ran a soup kitchen during the Great Depression…..
    
    https://www.history.com/news/al-capone-great-depression-soup-kitchen
    
    Charities are a great way to curry favour with the populace.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Pablo Escobar and ‘El Chapo’ were similarly very generous to the poor in their regions.
      
      https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-culiacan-guzman-20150810-story.html
      
      https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/honors/109/
      
      With their bribery policies, it looks like Labour might have been studying how these other criminals garnered support and favour to help protect their power……
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Digress a bit. Southward Car Museum has a car Al Capone used. All armoured, the glass is 2 inches thick.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:24am
      - Bullitt
        
        Almost. Was Mickey Cohen’s car who was one of Capone’s “colleagues”
        
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        April 22, 2023 2:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        OK Bullitt. Maybe 1 1/2 inches. I have not been there for years.
        Btw, Len Southward was the guy making steel tube. Not pipe, but tube, think exhaust tube, round. Then square tube – not RHS.
        
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        April 22, 2023 3:47pm
    - Lance
      
      As an aside, Al Capone introduced food use by dates. He distributed milk to the poor and didn’t want them drinking ‘expired’ milk.
      As Maggy pointed out, this was a great way to curry favour with the populace
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:11pm
Widogast Corwin

This is so wrong

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131796029/teenager-who-unleashed-devastating-coward-punch-on-rugby-player-avoids-jail

9 months home detention. The victim has permanent brain damage.
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April 22, 2023 8:10am
- greybeard
  
  It is wrong.
  And I think there is something wrong with many of the Judges in NZ. Their decisions often make me think that they , or their families, are being threatened by the gangs.
  There seem no other plausible explanation for such sentences as the one above.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:20am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How about political interference?
    
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    April 22, 2023 8:54am
- sirknz
  
  You get less time for being a kiddy fiddler too.
  
  Fiddle with 3 kids over 8 years and get 12 months home detention. 4 months per kid and 1 month every 2 years.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:29am
- Pavel
  
  I remember reading this article. When it was published 4 days ago on stuff, 2 or 3 articles below it was the report that that white supremacist guy in Christchurch gets 4 months for sending abusive texts to his probation officer. So 9 months home detention for giving someone brain damage and 4 months jail for sending an abusive text message. This countries f#@ked.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wynton King is fighting hard. Permanent damage for life, but he has a life. Go man go.
  Khan gets 9 months laying on the couch, watching TV, and drinking rum.
  I do hope there is a fundraiser for Wynton King. He deserves it for his rehabilitation.
  I am a believer of KARMA. Khan will get his punishment.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:55am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Can’t the Crown appeal the sentence?
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Crown are pussies. They don’t like rocking the boat.
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:21am
    - Flossie
      
      I’m sure they could. But unlikely there’d be any joy there so why use resources flogging a dead horse.
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:25am
- cas
  
  I suppose there will come a time when someone charged with a crime like this will get nothing as a sentence by the time they take discounts off for remorse, cultural upbringing, no prior convictions, has a good life in prospect, children would be harmed, eating the wrong food, living on the wrong side of town, cat doesn’t like them etc etc.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:37am
  - marcw
    
    Great concept – maybe you could even get a sentencing credit, and after your next bashing up charge, the victim will be required to apologise. (May or may not be satire here!).
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:44am
  - sirknz
    
    I’m waiting for the time when an offender receives three months in a tropical resort as punishment.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:21am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cas – you forgot about climate change…….//
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:31am
krazykiwi

Nice:-

The laid-off unionized Chicago employees will receive back pay, a 7% interest, and will be fully reinstated with seniority.
Unionized City of Chicago employees fired or disciplined for violating COVID-19 vaccination requirements must be reinstated and repaid for any loss of wages or benefits, a state hearing officer has ruled.

Meanwhile the NZ nurses union say it’s members are happy that their rivers of filth remain unemployable.
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April 22, 2023 8:11am
- kevn
  
  @kk… Try engaging with the Nurses Union media bod, one Rob (I’ve always been good with words, he says) Zorn. His metaphorical phone’s off the hook.
  Zorns assertions about the mandates are just foolish.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – yes, it seems as if Mr Zorn is a “consultant” type “comms expert”. It would be interesting if what he claims re nurses not wanting their mandated colleagues back is actually truthful. I seriously doubt it.
    Unless those nurse are cowards who can’t handle the thought of looking their former colleagues in the eye because they realise those colleagues had the moral fortitude and personal strength to just say no to a vicious attack on human rights.
    
    Otherwise, if they took the jab because they actually believe it works, what do they have to fear from an unjabbed colleague? Their “vaccine” will undoubtedly “protect” them won’t it?
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A negative RAT test should be all that is needed. This Zorn dude needs straightening out, bloody commie.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:24am
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… Those very unreliable RAT tests? False positive or false negative. Like throwing a two sided dice.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Two sided – I have a coin, a florin that is two heads. Made it myself on a milling machine to be the same thickness as a real one. Sweat soldered the two heads together.
      No two tails, they were lost in machining.
      
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      April 22, 2023 3:51pm
- PeeJay
  
  Imagine how in an alternate reality, where the unions are politically ambivalent and are willing to work with any political party to further their members terms and conditions (you know – supposed to be their job!!!), the ability to pick and choose which party to support financially (with a large block of votes possibly following) would give them incredible bargaining power.
  
  But nope, unions are cash cows for left wing party’s, the votes and money are always guaranteed and their members are often treated like shit by the labour / communist union leadership.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:33am
- Paulus
  
  Have hears on RNZ the other day as there appear to have been some 48 Nurses short on a shift in an Auckland Hospital as to why cannot nurses be like Teachers, and all the holiday times, rights and pay that they have which is why the shortage named – school holdays.
  Umm interesting !
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:29am
Cassandra

Does National plan on rooting out racism and waste in all aspects of the government or will it just try to manage the status quo better than Labour? NZ needs a transformational change, not tinkering around the edges. Luxon needs to act as though he’s not a wuss. He doesn’t need to throw his weight around, just explain to the electorate why NZ does not need an HRC or Maori deputies any more than it needs a Chinese one or a department for Kiwis off Scots descent. There are more Europeans with health needs that there are Maoris; there are plenty of Maoris with no need for race-based care. Need not race!
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April 22, 2023 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon is a manager, not a leader. He needs to take charge, and be responsible if he fucks up!
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:28am
- Tom Hunter
  
  or will it just try to manage the status quo better than Labour?
  
  Seriously? You’ve been around for a while. When have National ever done more than manage the status quo better than Labour? I wasn’t in-country at the time but I understood that Ruthless Ruth did try – and got fired for her pains so that National could survive in the 1993 election.
  
  National, from their beginnings, have existed for one reason and one reason only; to keep Labour out of power.
  
  And they were once very good at that.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:41am
- plc
  
  You can’t say that….it means you want a Labour-Green-Maori government……or so we are told daily
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well who do you want if you don’t want a Nat lead government ffs, there is only two choices
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:48pm
- PeeJay
  
  My view on this, and I’ve been reasonably consistent is that National knows they need to position themselves to win the floating centre voter. That’s the difference between the 10% mark that the real left and right party’s achieve – Greens and ACT. That is why National seem to be terrified of saying anything on race or social engineering issues that may cause offence.
  
  The thinking will be that they risk less in positioning themselves to the centre than they do to the right. From the centre, they may bleed some votes to ACT, but this doesn’t really matter as ACT will support them regardless – it’s not really a loss. If they were to drift right, their calculations will be that they are competing on the same turf as ACT and Labour then scoops up the floating voter.
  
  It may frustrate the heck out of those of us on the centre-right, but it’s a fairly good strategy to win an election. The flip side is that it results in a bland, somewhat tinkering approach rather than fundamental reform. If you’ve campaigned on a ‘steady as she goes’ manifesto then it’s unlikely your going to go full on reform and say to hell with our manifesto (unless you are Labour!!).
  
  My hope is that this election we see ACT scoop up the centre right block and other disaffected voters and become a strong spine at 15% to 20%. At this mark, I think you could expect to see some serious reform – it’s a sizeable block and can’t be ignored. The radical policy they propose (or in my view, realistic and sensible!) like cutting waste, educational reform, treaty referendum etc would have to form part of the government agenda at this 15% plus mark. Moreover, it’s a block that could see a change in hierarchy. A jump from 10% to ‘main party of the right’ is extremely unlikely, at least in the short term. A jump from say 20% to being the ‘main party of the right’ is very realistic and might force National to decide on whether they are a centrist party managing things, or a centre-right party committed to fundamental and radical reform.
  
  For what it’s worth, I tend to think the same scenario occurs on the labour-green side but the difference seems to be that the greens are quite happy to be taken for granted by Labour and actually achieve nothing whereas ACT would like to have increasing influence.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:08am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    … but the difference seems to be that…
    
    Another difference is that I never hear any Labour politician or activist, even those on their KB-equivalent blogs, ever talk about the need to go after the “soft, floating centre voter”. They don’t think like that.
    
    And yet since 2000 they’ve been in power as much as National. What used to work for National circa 1949-1999 no longer does.
    
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    April 22, 2023 2:12pm
Gravelroad

Rural health at point of collapse, says network chair https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/news/rural-health-at-point-of-collapse-says-network-chair/

Any thoughts?
Perhaps $tuff’s Jeff Bell could make up another disparaging anti farming and anti rural “cartoon” about it when next it is his turn to entertain us with his insightful communications.
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April 22, 2023 8:14am
- Jade Warrior
  
  It’s embarrassing how anti National Stuff’s cartoonists are. Given the range of issues the current government is messing up, you’d think there would be plenty of worthwhile material for any cartoonist to use. I’m not saying that political cartoonists should not touch the opposition, but the relentless lampooning of National by the likes of Bell suggests there is a serious editorial policy issue at Stuff.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Same in the ODT Yep is saying Nats and ACT are divisive over booting co governance, letters too the editor today calling him out to bloody well hold the government to account like they are supposed to, and the comment went on to say point to this racist government’s divisive co governance
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:51pm
  - Prince
    
    Stuff’s cartoons reflect the political bias of the publication.
    
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    April 22, 2023 5:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Gravel… After he has his bacon and eggs?
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep. If you had breakfast, thank a farmer and a truckie.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:02am
    - Colville
      
      Such a stupid argument..
      If you live in a house…thank the man who made the nails…?
      They do it for money not thanks…same as the people who made everything else in your life.
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It was a reply to Kevn about anti National Cartoonists.
        Analogy.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:29am
      - Matt Long
        
        You want a house without nails, or to make your own?
        I’m very thankful for the nail makers, the distributer, the retailers, all that network of people that mean I don’t live on a starvation diet under a tree.
        
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        April 22, 2023 11:16am
      - Matt Long
        
        And I want them all well rewarded for what they do for me.
        The parasites, not so much.
        
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        April 22, 2023 11:17am
      - gravedodger
        
        Err there is no ‘man’ or Woman making nails, it is a robotic machine, Colville.
        Long ago the Blacksmith did make “Nails” though.
        
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        April 22, 2023 11:21am
      - Lance
        
        @gravedodger
        So are you asserting that during the entire process of iron ore to finished nail there is zero human input?
        The ore dug itself out of the ground, the nail forming machines self assembled, the power to run them came from no labour of any person anywhere etc?
        Good grief
        
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        April 22, 2023 12:17pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  How has labour spent so much and made things worse.
  
  Worst government in the history of New Zealand.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:11am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/australia-makes-historic-citizenship-changes-restores-rights-to-kiwis-living-across-the-ditch.html

Why would nz agree to make it more attractive for its citizens to live in Australia. Do they actually want us to leave?
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April 22, 2023 8:18am
- pdm
  
  `Why would nz agree to make it more attractive for its citizens to live in Australia. Do they actually want us to leave?’
  
  Only workers and National/ACT voters I think Opie.
  
  Beneficiaries and Labour/Green/Maori voters are encouraged to remain in New Zealand or to move to that mythical Aotearoa place.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:54am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Bizarre.
    
    “Bad news. We have destroyed New Zealand.
    
    Good news. We have negotiated places for you all in a much richer country just three hours flight away.”
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, guys I worked with have been to Perth and came back. In Perth a steel cut and weld fabricator was getting the guts of A$50 an hour.
      Don’t know why they came back.
      
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      April 22, 2023 9:33am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        A friend has a daughter working in hospitality in Melbourne. $36 per hour waiting tables.
        
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        April 22, 2023 9:58am
      - Colville
        
        Widogast…and She would get tips on top of that.
        
        Daughter (19yrs) has just started in a realestate office over there… $68K salary..37.5hr week. Guarantee of 25% bump and a car after 3 month trial, that makes it $93Knz and a car. Moonbeams more than here.
        
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        April 22, 2023 10:04am
- lifesgood
  
  Apparently there are 400,000 who will immediately qualify…just think, folks, that’s another 400,000 (overseas) votes for Labour. They actually don’t give a toss about NZ just as long as they can stay in power
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, it gets costs down you see (sarc)
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dr Muriel Newman.
‘Goodbye Jacinda’
https://www.nzcpr.com/nzcpr-podcasts/
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April 22, 2023 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  If only – her predecessor Helen Clark still turns up looking like a bad penny everywhere.
  I cannot see Ardern not beng the centre of attention whatever she does – which is why I would be surprised if she gets an ovearseas job now – she remains toxic even now internationally.
  
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  April 22, 2023 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    UN for Dr Jaspinda. UN is full of the same.
    Start low and crawl to the top job.
    
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    April 22, 2023 9:38am
- mandk
  
  Excellent podcast
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:00am
Phronesis

How does NZer’s no longer being treated as 2nd class citizens in Australia help NZ? It was a substantial disincentive for my family to staying in Oz. The floodgates will open is my prediction. Our best will head to Oz and stay permanently while they export the losers back to NZ. The only plausible benefit to the nz economy is that we are now a more efficient stepping stone to Oz for those who couldn’t get in directly.
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April 22, 2023 8:30am
- MCōs
  
  Didn’t the rules that are coming into place exist before the ones they are replacing?
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep…
    
    Helen Clark buggered up our previous relationship with Oz.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-admits-tradeoff-on-aussie-welfare/2S2KM7NVBT7L5HF7RMDRLNBD4E/
    
    She wouldn’t help pay for the NZers who weren’t working and were bludging off the Oz government.
    
    So all good, working NZers lost their right to Oz citizenship.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:45am
Ruahine

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131834539/australia-to-let-kiwis-become-citizens-after-four-years-in-major-policy-shift

This is a win – win for Australia on many levels. Australia is desperately in need of workers. Workers with ethics and values. It is also very good for New Zealanders working there now.
Of course not a word about why and who was the cause of this problem back in 2021 from the Media.
Yes it was Helen Clark and Jim Anderton.
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April 22, 2023 8:31am
- Ruahine
  
  Poor proof reading for the previous post. It should read 2001.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:13am
Yvette

… John Tamihere — a former co-leader of Te Pāti Māori and now its president — did nothing to allay such fears when he told Newshub Nation in the weekend that the debate around co-governance was simply misguided. “The right to the asset called water is still a customary entitlement to all Māori,” he said. “Māori rightly say, ‘How do we get co-governance when we own 100 per cent of it?’ The real issue is how do the Pākehās get into the room [via co-governance]?” Evidently, for Te Pāti Māori, co-governance is simply a way station towards full control of water at every level.

And any lingering hopes that Labour might defend democracy disappeared when McAnulty was interviewed by Jack Tame on Q&A on Sunday. Asked whether he agreed that the RRGs, with their equal numbers of iwi and council representatives, are “not strictly a one-person, one-vote model”, McAnulty said firmly, “Yes”. In his mind, democracy with equal suffrage seems to be an academic concept that is incompatible with honouring the Treaty.

Voters, of course, have never been asked to approve such a profound constitutional shift. Yet it is clear that we now have “democracy with New Zealand characteristics” sanctioned at the highest levels of government. … – Graham Adams
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-labour-s-three-waters-refresh-is-a-tragi-comedy

If Meng Foon defines “co-governance” as like a marriage
Then Tamihere, McAnulty and Hipkins are of course a source of divorce
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April 22, 2023 8:36am
Inandout

To keep up with the rampant daily crime I suggest a visit to NZ Issues ‘Law and Order’ section. It saves delving through what our MSM either won’t feature or hides. The number of incidents is bloody scary.
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April 22, 2023 8:39am
- DimChappie
  
  Link to the NZ Issues Law and Order forum (not so easy to find):
  https://nzissues.com/Community/forums/law-and-order.62/
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:43am
Swifty

Christopher Hipkins puts the icing on the cake of six years of his Labour Goverment – making it easier for New Zealanders to leave the country.

Permanently.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131834539/australia-to-let-kiwis-become-citizens-after-four-years-in-major-policy-shift

Yep, he calls this an achievement.
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April 22, 2023 8:41am
- Cinematic
  
  Like kicking an own goal in soccer and claiming victory.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:30am
- MCōs
  
  I heard an interview years ago with some Australians who lived in Perth.
  They were told about some Kiwis moving over there to get away from the ‘rampant’ crime in NZ.
  Their response was – They’ve come here to get away from ‘rampant’ crime?
  The other man’s grass is always greener, I suppose.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Australia in doing this now does what it for generations have tried to do partially – keep the Pacific Isander, and other nationalities from going to Australia via New Zealand as part of what was White Australia Policy.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:34am
  - Inandout
    
    MC. yes Oz does have its problem areas, such as Alice Springs and Darwin.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:42am
- Opie
  
  For once, I might actually want the government wants me to do.
  
  Coffs harbour or the sunny coast I think
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:38am
ClanMcleod

Chicago – another place admitting that the covid policies were terribly wrong.

Unionized City of Chicago employees fired or disciplined for violating COVID-19 vaccination requirements must be reinstated and repaid for any loss of wages or benefits, a state hearing officer has ruled.

These workers are, at last, the winners: they kept their health and their jobs and received full pay. They are still victims of Covid vaccine promoters: no one will compensate them for months of worry, stressing out about not having money, family tensions, and more.

In New Zimbabwe – “get your booster, wear your mask, nothing to see here……”

As the author says:

I am happy and sad simultaneously because thousands of Chicago workers were forced to vaccinate against their will. Nobody will ever compensate them for the loss of freedom or health declines.

How many hundreds of thousands in NZ are in this position?

Nevertheless, I am happy about the ruling – which is about two years late.
I hope the criminals who harassed and terrorized the unvaccinated Chicago workers and residents will be properly investigated – and they should not get any sort of a “pandemic amnesty” for their wrongdoings.

Thanks for listening, and please forgive me for being emotional.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/chicago-workers-who-refused-covid
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April 22, 2023 8:48am
- WaynelSexton
  
  The majority of kiwiblog readers wouldn’t even attempt not wearing the mask, so those who lost their jobs probably don’t read the blog.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:04am
  - Che Guava
    
    Yup, being anti-Big Government doesn’t extend to refusing to wear a mandated mask or getting a mandated vaccine despite not wanting it – that would be just rude!
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:34pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Just get exemption
    
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    April 22, 2023 1:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Interesting story: hundreds of home made submarines thought to have traveled from S America to Europe.

Food for thought in the context of illegal migrants wanting to travel to NZ. Big differences, of course; but the point is that our moat is not as impenetrable as we might think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65337215
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April 22, 2023 8:50am
kevn

@Clan.. Someone needs to share that with Nurse Union media bod Rob Zorn.
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April 22, 2023 8:53am
Swifty

I hear Willie Jackson is in a spot of bother.

Will our Fourth Estate vigorously pursue this and inform New Zealanders of the facts of the matter?
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April 22, 2023 8:55am
- Nickc2
  
  Couldn’t happen to a more worthy person.
  What’s the goss then?
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:24am
- pdm
  
  `I hear Willie Jackson is in a spot of bother.’
  
  We all hope so Swifty.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:08am
- AitchW
  
  It’ll end up just another bump in the 9th floor carpet….
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins was asked on Newshub when Nash was getting shafted, do you know of a minister that has been misbehaving? He said with a vomit look on his face, Noooooo, his face said it all, I hope he has f…up big time, because it will drive a wedge in the angst Māori caucus
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:46pm
than

Last night I was watching this film. Anarchy USA (1965). It strongly applies to New Zealand today, examining the divide and conquer tactics used.
https://youtu.be/X2wk6svKExk?t=173

Film starts at 2:55
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April 22, 2023 8:56am
- MCōs
  
  It’s half past two now.
  Better put the kettle on.
  
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  April 22, 2023 2:25pm
ClanMcleod

A Twitter poll asks:

Should the UK government defund and exit from the World Health Organisation?

https://twitter.com/JeffreyPeel/status/1648335047290748928?s=20

Almost 9000 votes. Almost 94% say ‘YES’.

I agree, the WHO is a totally corrupted, not fit for purpose, dangerous, dangerous organisation.

How is it possible that Bill Gates, an individual donkey deep in conflict of interest in profiting from vaccines, is allowed to be the 2nd biggest funder? He was number one until Biden brought the USA back into it.

The WHO like the UN are organisations who may once have had a purpose and may even have functioned in a positive manner. No longer.
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April 22, 2023 9:00am
- mandk
  
  In case you haven’t seen it yet, the latest Dr John Campbell video makes it clear just how anti-democratic the WHO is.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkhjH2ySMUw
  
  It is no longer a benign institution working for the good of humankind.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mandk – Cheers, I’m about to do my daily visit to Youtube and normally check out Dr John!
    
    Same applies to the UN, well intended organisations that have been corrupted and effectively hijacked.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:38am
- mawm
  
  Clan – British MP Andrew Bridgen addresses the WHO and their pandemic plan. This is very informative for those who have not been following developments.
  
  https://rumble.com/v2izok2-andrew-bridgen-mp-warning-of-who-control-in-pandemic-international-agreemen.html
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:10pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mawm – that’s been bubbling away for a while now, an awful lot of people wouldn’t even be aware of it.
    It’s a worry.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:48pm
Rusty

Remember Jacindas response to the oppositions difficult questions to her?

“I refute the premise of that question”
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April 22, 2023 9:04am
-D

Can someone PLEASE get Chris Luxon to stop saying “Look” at the beginning of each answer?
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April 22, 2023 9:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  When John Key was PM he would say “So….” At the start of nearly every sentence.
  “Look…” is worse as it suggests a level of impatience and the need to explain stuff to the people out here who never see anything, of course.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:57am
- pdm
  
  -D – that needed exclamation marks not a question mark.
  
  It needs to be shouted in his ear along with the message that in politics – perceived nice guys come second and second is nowhere or first loser.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:10am
- Che Guava
  
  It’s an adaptation of Simon Bridges’ “Well, look…”
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:36pm
Ghost

Biden administration will veto bill protecting female sport

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/SAP-HR-734.pdf
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April 22, 2023 9:21am
- Gravelroad
  
  @ghost-
  Yep, women should stand aside and allow themselves to be subjugated so that people who used to be men can win something.
  It’s only fair, eh.
  Women should know their place like they used to in the olden days when men ruled the world………
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    Those lovely trans folk just want to use women’s private spaces, who could object.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trans-tiktokers-eerie-viral-comment-raises-concern-social-media-threatening-womens-safety
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:33am
- Burtland
  
  trans women’s rights …
  
  we will wear your biology as a costume
  we will transfer your reproductive capacity to the tech sector
  
  disagree and we will beat you to a pulp
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:34am
surfing

On threewaters

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-three-waters-reform-its-like-arguing-that-black-is-white/65EUYK6ON5BRJAV6HNCVFQE4JQ/

Let’s be clear. The investments in new infrastructure will be paid for by ratepayers and consumers, no matter who builds them. You can pay through your rates, through your taxes or through water levies. But you will pay.

Joyce states the obvious, and it is so frustrating because the government will not answer the question as to who pays!

Government has been spinning the line that ratepayers will not have to pay for water infrastructure … this is cunning and devious … because, a ratepayer is also a taxpayer, and a ‘customer’.

Either the ratepayer, or the taxpayer, or the customer must pay.
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April 22, 2023 9:21am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yeah, the lack of analysis on that point is astonishing. I’m undecided as to whether it’s because the media are innumerate or whether they’re in ‘nothing to see here’ mode.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:57am
  - sirknz
    
    Why not both?
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  An outstanding piece from Joyce, and at the risk of upsetting the moderators, here’s a bit more of it:
  
  OPINION:
  
  We have seen again over the last week that this Government possesses an unshakeable belief in the power of its own rhetoric. On both Three Waters and the economy, ministers are clearly of the opinion that if they repeat anything often enough and with enough conviction, the voters will in turn believe it to be true.
  
  They are likely to be wrong.
  
  Whoever thought up the idea of re-labelling the unpalatable Three Waters reforms as “affordable water reform” should hang their heads in shame. And so should the ministers who had sufficient contempt for the public that they thought simply re-badging something this contentious would achieve a positive reappraisal of the reforms. To say nothing of the Prime Minister denying Three Waters even included co-governance “as it is traditionally understood” at the announcement of the grand relabelling.
  
  It had been assumed by many that the Government’s willingness to argue that black is white had been quietly shelved with the departure of former Prime Minister Ardern, but we have now been treated to a masterclass in sophistry courtesy of new Prime Minister Chris Hipkins.
  
  The proposed Three Waters changes are transparent window dressing. Sure, the number of entities going from four to 10 is a small step forward for local accountability, but still the people of Northland will be tagged on as an afterthought to the big dog that is Watercare in Auckland, the people of Invercargill will have their water services run from Dunedin, and those of Timaru, Oamaru and the Waitaki River basin will have their access to water controlled from Christchurch. Given the unhappy history of Environment Canterbury, the latter alone is a recipe for disappointment and frustration.
  
  The water assets will still be confiscated from local councils and placed in organisations over which they will have only a figleaf of influence. The water organisations will still be co-governed, with an unelected Mana Whenua Group given 50 per cent control, and veto power over the appointment of directors for each entity. Iwi and the Mana Whenua groups will still be able to issue guiding statements to the water companies which they “must respond to”, and the denuded councils will still not be able to do the same. Local government will be further weakened by the reforms, which continue an ongoing power grab by central government that stretches across health, the polytechs and local government.
  
  The much-heralded savings from the reforms are as unlikely as before, albeit apparently reduced as a result of the increased number of water organisations.
  
  His conclusion is pretty damning too:
  
  Of course, it’s not just the water reforms where the Government is continually trying to pull the wool over voters’ eyes. Ministers are fond of declaring all the inflation-fuelling expenditure they have overseen in the last six years is completely justified. They even defend the money spent on failed restructurings and, somewhat ironically, the explosion of government spin doctors.
  
  Chris Hipkins and Grant Robertson can’t see anything they would do differently with the economy despite food inflation running at 12 per cent, CPI inflation stubbornly staying up around 7 per cent, an eye-watering current account deficit and an emerging international consensus that New Zealand is becoming one of the worst economic performers in the OECD. Instead, they are rumoured to be planning to fire up a debate on tax in the Budget to distract everyone from their economic record.
  
  After what seemed to be a positive start to the new regime, it will now be dawning on the public that even with a tiggerish new Prime Minister, the overall Government policy direction and its attitude to voters remains unchanged. In that respect, the re-badging of the Government may turn out to be as unsuccessful as the re-branding of Three Waters.
  
  New Zealanders who want a genuinely new approach to the economy, inflation, Three Waters and race relations are starting to realise they will have to vote for it rather than relying on this lot changing their tune. The current lot are prepared to pretend to change, but then carry on regardless.
  
  Very well said Steven Joyce.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:08pm
Matt Long

The latest, why you should vote National and not ACT from a political operative on this site is; if ACT does well, then Winston will go with Labour, and ACT ought to think about that before asking people to vote for them.
It’s an “interesting” argument, should people upset by National’s support for Covid mandates, zero carbon, trans over women’s rights vote Winston First then, to save the National government or should we expect National to be better?
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April 22, 2023 9:22am
- BeaB
  
  Your vote isn’t such a precious thing you know. Just decide which major party you dislike least and vote for them. Faffing round with Winston and Act is a waste of everyone’s time. Luxon will work well with Seymour and vice versa, if that’s what you want. Winston will , as always, work well for himself.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:26am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s an indictment on all of them that Winston is even being talked about.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MCōs – “it’s an indictment on the opposition parties that Winston is even being talked about.”
      
      There, fixed it for you….
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:40am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I said if he sneaks in, it is possible, so a weakened Nats will leave him no option
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:52pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m not suggesting anyone vote Winston First, I’m refuting the notion people shouldn’t vote ACT or they’ll upset Winston.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:35am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You didn’t listen fFS, you fools were saying get ACT up yo 20%, that will come at the cost of Nats, a weakened Nats would leave Peters no alternative if he sneaks in which could happen, I never said don’t vote ACT, I said don’t weaken Nats
      
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      April 22, 2023 10:54pm
- Dougal10
  
  It’s the weekend that political operative seems only to work weekdays so you may not get a response.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Stop talking shit , I stated if Bats were at 26%, and ACT at 30%, Labour retains 38%, snd NZF sneak over the line then he would be left with no alternative but go with Labour again, don’t twist what I said, if ACT and the organised fools on here weaken Bats, Peters will go left
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:50pm
BeaB

No mystery now why we have such a poodle as race relations commissioner. Time to abolish the sinecure altogether.
Any further news on a justice minister who outright lies on national tv? Or does she get a pass because she is Māori, a woman and lesbian?
It seems they might be her main qualifications for the job.
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April 22, 2023 9:23am
- PeeJay
  
  Although I don’t agree with her politics, up until recently, I though Kiri Allan was doing well. I think even Hoskin noted she presented well, was lucid and could hold a reasonable debate and seemed likeable. You could disagree with her but at least she was willing to debate and responded with more than the usual bland political statistics and the usual ‘let me be clear’ and then be anything but responses.
  
  Since then we’ve seen the RNZ farce and this Meng Foon political influence crap and she is obviously just like the rest of the Labour Party. They really do struggle for talent don’t they?
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:58am
Matt Long

Christie at the BFD says maybe Luxon is great after all. Just the Speaker said no talking to the protesters, so he just couldn’t even though maybe he really wanted to and kept it secret because of his great attributes.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/21/lets-take-another-look-at-luxon/
So is the speaker all powerful and able to gag all MPs from talking to constituents?
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April 22, 2023 9:27am
- marcw
  
  Luxon had previously (before the February protest) publicly rebuked and humiliated Harete Hipango, the Wanganui MP, for speaking to protesters in her electorate. So his position was already clear – no fraternising with anyone not agreeing with him (Luxon).
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Same with ticking off Pugh on climate panic.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s not true, she met anti vax protesters and looked stupid as she was vaxed
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes he is, he is control of parliament and the grounds, he was by law able to force all leaders to sign the gag order, the same order which Seymour signed
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:56pm
Yvette

“Individuals who hold public office must always act impartially in their roles regardless of the government of the day” – Hipkins

So, is Meng Foon, Race Relations Commissioner, acting impartially when he tries to explain Government policy, co-governance, or should he just be ensuring that when it is discussed, that is done in a polite and civil matter between the different ethnic or race groups – that he commissions good race relations, rather than take one side.

This Government already hires enough PR people
Meng Foon should handle race relations not Government public relations
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April 22, 2023 9:41am
- PeeJay
  
  I agree with Seymour on this – a not unusual event these days I might add.
  
  Get rid of the Human Rights Commission. It’s clearly pointless and should be disbanded.
  
  For a new National / ACT government, this should be but one of many institutes disbanded moving useless leeches from the taxpayer teat.
  
  Won’t happen unless ACT are between 15% to 20% I fear as National could never do something so radical without being able to blame it on ACT.
  
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  April 22, 2023 9:52am
  - Colville
    
    There is an interesting tension there.
    
    If ACT are been seen as being the tail that wags the (Nat) dog then there is a fear that centrist voters will shy away from National as they dont want to be part of an ACT lead government.
    
    Personally I (as an ACT voter) think ACT is best around 10% until it further develops its talent pool and electorate support.
    
    Assuming ACT do get 10-12% this time… it will be time for ACT to claim a couple of electorates and tell National to F off ….
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:55am
    - PeeJay
      
      Fair points Colville.
      
      For what it’s worth, for the two main minor party’s ACT and the Greens, I think ACT actually have the harder road to gaining real influence.
      
      ACT really have no other option but to support National. They would never be able to support a Labour government without being severely punished at the next election whereby any floating voter that had lent their vote to them would switch back to National. I actually think their path to real power is actually quite difficult – a strong vote and winning an electorate or two could be the start of an interesting struggle on the right.
      
      The Greens are in a similar position on the left, but strangely, if they were to commit to a green agenda and dump the social engineering crap, they could be uniquely powerful in NZ. If they were to be purely green, both National and Labour would be options. Labour work for them on the social issues, but National have probably achieved more environmental gains in recent years than the Labour administration. That they refuse to ever consider the prospect of supporting National shows, for me at least, that their true agenda is social engineering rather than green policy.
      
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      April 22, 2023 11:19am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The flaw in your argument is that the Greens are Red, not Green. They lie to you PJ.
        
        That is all.
        
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        April 22, 2023 7:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Act will never get another electorate, and why would the tell Nats to duck off, they owe their survival to them, the arrogance of ACT voters, I hope a. Great leader comes snd ACT are wiped out and Seymour loses his seat before ling, they have become far too arrogant and so has their support
      
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      April 22, 2023 11:00pm
PeeJay

On the covid “vaccine” and the sheep mentality.

At work yesterday afternoon, I was looking around for one of the team as there is a deadline approaching and with Anzac Day coming up, I just wanted a quick update to see if the team were on track – deadline is next week and most of the team are taking the Monday off as well.

Person I was looking for had to go home on sick leave after lunch. I asked why – he seemed fine this morning, wondered if he was ok or if it was serious. Nope. He’d had the covid jibbby jab that morning and had a bad reaction to it. Could be that he just felt like a really long weekend but he’s a decent sort and I think he was genuinely ill.

In the middle of fair few folks, I expressed my surprise – why would anyone take this thing when it clearly doesn’t work? Most nodded along, was even a few big smiles, but there were still a few loyal acolytes stating the the vaccine worked etc and spouting the lines from the pulpit.

Got me thinking that it will be interesting to see how we go this winter – there are still a sizeable group who are still scared by covid and will roll up their sleeves for something that it’s now becoming increasing clear just doesn’t do it’s job and, worse, is starting to look like it has some serious side effects. This view is no longer fringe conspiracy nuts but is becoming increasingly mainstream (and apologies to all those who were called conspiracy nutters – you are looking like you were right all along on this one!).

What made me really think though is that if the sheeple are still buying this covid jab crap, a good pre-election bribe might just be enough to swing the election.

October is shaping up as a seminal moment in NZ history I feel.
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April 22, 2023 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  PeeJay – it’s only anecdotal, but in the last year or so, and particularly the last 6 months, pretty much all of the people I know and associate with who are jabbed have come down with “flu”. Some of them at least twice.
  
  When they complain about feeling crap and I ask “covid”? They all deny it. I’m pretty sure none of them test any longer due to the requirements to isolate, that and I think there is a bit of embarrassment creeping in and a realisation that they were duped.
  
  Touch wood, during these numerous interactions, my wife, our daughter and I have managed to avoid being infected with whatever it is these friends are catching. Same with 2 close friends (who spent over a week with at the Wellington protest).
  
  None of us are jabbed and have been regularly taking Vitamin C, D and zinc supplements. We haven’t avoided close contact with others, we regularly socialise in public and my wife and I often have invited friends here for food and drinks.
  
  As I say, it’s anecdotal and “correlation is not causation” etc. But it’s been an interesting year or so.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  Look at all the fools still wearing masks .
  
  Even Wiles said they only worked on trained folk .
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:25am
- sirknz
  
  I have a friend who still believes that we should acquiesce to experts on everything because there is no way that any layperson can have the knowledge or skills necessary to understand the complexities of anything these days.
  
  Other than believing that experts are correct 100% of the time, he seems reasonably intelligent.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:45am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    sirknz – yes, we all have friends like that. Had a mate who would call them “the smartest dumb prick I know”.
    Brains don’t always equate with common sense and logic!
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:56am
- Burtland
  
  science verses the feelz – latest results from bivalent mRNA vaccine booster from Israel
  
  Participants who received a bivalent mRNA booster vaccine dose had lower rates of hospitalisation due to COVID-19 than participants who did not receive a bivalent booster vaccination, for up to 120 days after vaccination. These findings highlight the importance of bivalent mRNA booster vaccination in populations at high risk of severe COVID-19.
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00122-6/fulltext
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:00pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Burtland – yes, the Pfizer vaccine was also efficacious, not for the first two weeks after being jabbed, but for a couple of month afterwards. Then efficacy became negative, the more jabs you have, the more prone to catching covid. They’ve probably fixed it for this one thought.
    
    I’m guessing you already had yours? All the best.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:17pm
  - mawm
    
    The absolute risk reduction for hospitalisations due to COVID-19 in bivalent mRNA booster recipients versus non-recipients was 0·089% (95% CI 0·075–0·101), and the number needed to vaccinate to prevent one hospitalisation due to COVID-19 was 1118 people (95% CI 993–1341).
    
    Those hospitalised within 7 days of vaccination were counted as unvaccinated, and there were large variations in health, age, sex and ethnicity between the control (unvaccinated) and those vaccinated.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:38pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – the last couple of years have definitely honed our bullshit detectors haven’t they! Once smelled it cannot be unsmelled.
      Many of us are more aware than we have been for many years, it has been refreshing in some ways.
      
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      April 22, 2023 12:51pm
      - mawm
        
        I’m surprised that so many people still believe in “safe and effective”, believe in all the measures enforced on us (those not in existing pandemic plans), still wear masks and deny the harm done by the mRNA injections. I’m also sure that if I injected any group with an immunoglobulin, just like they used to do to protect against hepatitis A, that I could show a limited efficacy such as this, compared to an unmatched control.
        
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        April 22, 2023 1:34pm
- Inthe09
  
  Yes I work with a guy who goes off and gets a booster every chance he gets then proceeds to lecture everyone else about going and getting one (you know the type…)
  
  I decided this week I had had enough and said I didn’t want the first two and there’s no chance I’m having any more.
  
  He laughed and said from next year it’ll be in the flu jab.
  
  I said I don’t have one of those either.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:49pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Inthe09 – some are true believers, some just won’t admit they were duped. It’s sad, but it is a good indicator of people it’s probably best to avoid as much as possible.
    No harm to them, but if they haven’t seen through this by now, then I don’t really want them to be part of my life. Especially as it was this type who were more than happy to see me excluded and segregated from society and would have been happy for me to be shut out of the health system.
    
    That says a lot about their (lack of) character.
    
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    April 22, 2023 1:07pm
ClanMcleod

I posted this late last night on one of yesterday’s posts. “What is undue influence” which talked about the political interference on police actions during the protest in Wellington.

I’ve been asked to repost it on GD today, so here it is. Very moving, very much worth listening to.

Mistakes were not made.

https://youtu.be/ueUXNL-A3Zg

A beautiful and moving poem read by Dr Tess Lawrie.

In NZ? The failed “vaccines” are safe and effective, come and get your boosters.
This country is officially a banana republic.
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April 22, 2023 9:48am
Ghost

TVNZ are currently running a campaign on how you can do your part for the environment. The suggestion so far is that you should only wash your jeans after 10 wears. Can anyone following their advice and wearing dirty stinking clothes please wash your stinking clothes sooner.
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April 22, 2023 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  I gave up jeans years ago .
  
  They’re status symbols and cost a small fortune.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Little trick with jeans I will share with you Ghost.
  When you wash them for the fist time (and after 10 wears isn’t silly tbh) keep them on, and hop into a warm bath for about 30 mins.
  They shrink to the shape of your body.
  Line dry in the shade. Never in a tumble dryer.
  You get ceaseless compliments from others wanting to know where you got them.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:41am
  - Flossie
    
    That was The Thing To Do with jeans when I was a teenager back in the 60s
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:52am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      YIP…my partner’s mum showed me the trick.
      She’s still got a pair of Gloria Vanderbilt’s from the 70’s!
      I’m hoping to inherit them one day.
      
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      April 22, 2023 11:03am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, you forget that brand new jeans have been washed in water taken from rivers such as the Yangtze. If you are happy to soak in numerous chemicals and human waste, go for it.
    
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    April 22, 2023 10:55am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      OMG… imagine if it was the Ganges!
      
      Actually, I think it was on a Pam Corkery doco where she divulged the Mob have some sort of initiation ceremony where they all wee on a new recruits jeans and they’re not allowed to wash them for a year 🙁
      
      Assume it must just be a fashion thing?
      
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      April 22, 2023 11:19am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I’ve heard it works like a stab proof vest. Nobody can get close enough to you to stick the knife in……
        
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        April 22, 2023 1:09pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        lol luv u m
        
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        April 22, 2023 1:23pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Looks like WCC have ignored Foodies in their latest Kilbirnie & Thorndon bike lane plans, at their legal peril.

It will cost the ratepayers, of course, but personally I’m happy with a couple of bucks extra on the rates bill to see big business stick it to the cycling zealots.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/131832370/supermarket-giant-threatens-legal-action-over-wellington-cycleways
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April 22, 2023 9:55am
Surely Knott

Maori names for all govt organisations and associated quangos. And yet….3 Waters, two words that almost all NZers understand in Maori, is given an english name.

They give institutes run by white academics Maori names to make it look more woke, and policies that would give Maori governance of the water a European name or now a deliberately misleading name “affordable water” so you don’t think about what the policy is actually about. Tino rangatiratanga
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April 22, 2023 10:06am
- oldfella
  
  Surely: just put ‘affordable water’ into an online translator and got ‘wai utu’.
  Yep, yep, lots and lot of Maori utu coming our way… ///
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/our-first-tauranga-event-is-today/

Inside this post:
Kohimarama Conference Chiefs In 1860 Unanimously Affirm Queen As Sovereign Ruler Over Them.

I won’t paste continuing comments, it is all on the blog to read.
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April 22, 2023 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  For Tauranga and the Mount, register here:
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/2023-nz-stop-co-governance-tour/
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ex Kaipara Mayor Dr JASON SMITH Explains What Is “Under The Waterline” With 3 Waters Legislation. He has written a good piece about what is under the tip of the iceberg. We are not being told a lot of things about 3 waters/affordable water.
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:56am
Maggie Pie

Twitterati abuzz this morning with rumors Willie might be in some shit.

Some even saying the biz with Meng-the-Merciless has been set up as a distraction.

Would love to be the first to break it on Twitter 😀

Anybody?
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April 22, 2023 10:22am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, some calling it a ‘super scandal’ … mind you, he’s one of the special people, so unless he’s actually murdered someone, he’ll skate. ///
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:06am
  - Matt Long
    
    Not if he misgendered someone.
    
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    April 22, 2023 11:40am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Something is definitely up I reckon…it’s still rife out therre.
  
  https://twitter.com/bugsy60/status/1649541670508322817
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:08am
- Surely Knott
  
  [Mod – let’s keep rumours off this blog please]
  
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  April 22, 2023 1:46pm
BeaB

‘I didn’t take any monetary donations from Meng Foon’.
Now she has remembered she did receive money from him but still trying to fudge the nearly $10,000 ‘in kind’.
This is our Justice Minister!
And Hipkins defends her!
And Meng Foon, and the media, try to convince us ‘balance’ and ‘impartiality’ mean $1000 to a National candidate and over $10000 to a Labour one – who later becomes his boss!
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April 22, 2023 10:26am
- Yvette
  
  Allan said in a statement on Friday evening that all donations she’s received “have been accurately and appropriately reported as required by the Electoral Act, and have been publicly available online since 2021”.
  “This afternoon I’ve also updated my conflict of interest information on this matter to provide absolute transparency, which now includes both Meng Foon and Ying Foon, as perceived conflicts of interests.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/human-rights-commission-carefully-assessing-reports-of-meng-foon-s-political-donations-takes-neutrality-extremely-seriously.html
  
  “… my conflict of interest ..” – in what way has someone outside Parliament constrained the Minister of Justice?
  What does Meng Foon’s donation cause Kiri Allan to refrain from doing?
  
  Asking for a friend
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:32am
- Maggie Pie
  
  One of the girls from tennis reckons it could be the tip of the iceberg. But who really knows what goes on, eh?
  
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  April 22, 2023 10:46am
- NothingLeft
  
  $10000 dollars donated by someone that I guess has since received from this govt more than a million in salary
  
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  April 22, 2023 5:39pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Kiritapu Allan, the Minister of Justice, stood before the television cameras on Friday and in front of her leader, the Prime Minister, at whose pleasure she serves as a minister. She then told a bald-faced lie, which Benedict Collins immediately called her out on.
  
  According to Barry Soper, Allan only had six or seven donors to here 2020 campaign, so she can hardly excuse “forgetting” the Foon donation because of the volume of donors. That her first instinct was to lie really calls her fitness for the Justice portfolio into question.
  
  Kris Faafoi was promoted to Justice Minister after promising much in junior roles, but he failed to deliver anything meaningful. A few months ago Allan was being talked up as a future Labour leader, but her lightweight persona and her lack of judgment has been evident in the last few weeks. I strongly doubt she is in politics for the long haul, and like Faafoi, I believe she will move on, especially if Labour is defeated in October.
  
  Hipkins doesn’t escape either. He is now aware that Kiritapu Allan tells lies when she is confronted with an allegation about her. Can he afford to hold her close?
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    She’s some sort of Lawyer, isn’t she? Lying and obfuscation’s their stock-in-trade isn’t it?
    I wonder if she’ll invoice us for her lies and obfuscations?
    She has to go!
    
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    April 23, 2023 8:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lying is synonymous with the Labour Party.
They just can’t help it.
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April 22, 2023 10:34am
Ignoranus

Climate deniers, Hi!

Be assured I simply do not read your answers to my comments.

1. The IPCC is recognised by every scientific institution on the planet.
2. The oil companies have given up disputing the science, now just try to muddy the response.
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April 22, 2023 10:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m assured, I didn’t read your post, but thank you. Of course you won’t have read this…….//
  
  If a comment falls down in the middle of a blog post and nobody reads it does it make a point?
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:00am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Be assured I simply do not read your answers to my comments.”
  
  So you are purely a crap and run ideological troll bot.
  
  Righto.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:37am
- Burtland
  
  heard of the Tinkerbell effect?
  
  thinking something exists only because people believe in it
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:11pm
  - Mike
    
    Is this an example of denying that effect?
    “There is no such thing as society”
    
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    April 23, 2023 8:51am
Bridgenag

Acknowledgement of Personal Responsibility or Blind Obedience: Reflections from Finland
You don’t want to be an anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist, do you?

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/acknowledgement-of-personal-responsibility?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

……“Lockdowns, masks, and constant fear-mongering in the media caused the behaviour of people around me to change and even the nature of how and about what they communicated. I wondered why small businesses had to close or restrict their operations, but not the big supermarkets? Why did the confirmed outbreaks occur in restaurants and gyms, but not in large department stores? The small speciality shops were shut, but not large chains where you could (also) buy the range of products sold by the small family shops. Logic began to disappear, along with people’s willingness and ability to see the absence of logic.”…..
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April 22, 2023 10:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bridgenag – I read that earlier this morning, it’s an excellent blog post.
  
  Highly recommended. From Hanna Parikka, a Finnish IVF biologist/embryologist.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:07am
Flossie

I know snail mail is so last century but now and then it is appropriate to post a card for a special occasion. What is wrong with NZ Post?? My card posted from one Waikato town to another Waikato town took NINE days to be delivered. Bit of an anticlimax so long after the Big Day.
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April 22, 2023 10:48am
- lifesgood
  
  I’m sure it’s deliberate. They COULD deliver it sooner but they hold it as long as possible in an attempt to stop people posting letters. It is a very sad state of affairs. Much of historical research has been done through the reading of old letters. Deleted emails won’t be much use, will they?
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:09am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I don’t know it is so ‘last century’ Floss.
  We’ve had about 6 postcards from the census people in the last month.
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:24am
- gravedodger
  
  Maybe get on an Ebike and hand deliver, or as an alternative take a Sunday Drive, getting expensive but more reliable?
  
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  April 22, 2023 11:30am
ClanMcleod

Well well, even Jack Tame sees the problem with Hipkins making it easier for Kiwis to get Australian citizenship.

If you’re a young, ambitious New Zealander today, why would you choose to stay?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jack-tame-the-hidden-pitfall-in-the-citizenship-deal-for-kiwis-in-australia/X4AHOMOJCBDEJM4LKFA5JR45KM/

This Labour government are certainly showing they are the masters of the law of unintended (but totally predictable) consequences.
Of course, if they get rid of the actually productive and smart, it leaves more potential voters who are dependent on them for taxpayer funded survival.

Maybe they aren’t so stupid after all…..
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April 22, 2023 10:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So the young, ambitious Jack Tame is going to shift to Australia then? He’d find the media landscape very different over there, where it’s dog eat dog.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:12pm
- Inthe09
  
  How dumb is Jack – I mean, he says ‘oh gees it’ll mean more people might leave’ – but can’t join the dots about WHY they might be leaving in the first place.
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:57pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s a memory of just how bad the covid fascism was. CJ Hopkins posted in December 2021.

The Year of the New Normal Fascist

In New Normal Germany, “the Unvaccinated” are under de facto house arrest. We are banned from society. We are banned from traveling. We are banned from protesting. Our writings are censored. We’re demonized and dehumanized by the New Normal government, the state and corporate media, and the New Normal masses on a daily basis. New Normal goon squads roam the streets, brutalizing pensioners, raiding barber shops, checking “papers,” measuring social distances, literally, as in with measuring sticks. The Gestapo even arrested Santa Claus for not wearing a mask at a Christmas market. In the schools, fascist New Normal teachers ritually humiliate “Unvaccinated” children, forcing them to stand in front of the class and justify their “Unvaccinated” status, while the “Vaccinated” children and their parents are applauded, like some New Normal version of the Hitler Youth.

https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-year-of-the-new-normal-fascist

If nothing else, check out the photo at the top of the post depicting actual Nazis laughing while posing for a group photo in that era. Notice how “normal” these people look.
Can you imagine any particular politicians you think wouldn’t look out of place in that photo? I can.

For anyone who thinks it is exaggerated or hysterical, go to the post. Every sentence in that paragraph has a hyperlink to evidence of these things happening.

We have often been chastised for comparing some of the policies to those of Nazi Germany. Those comparisons are totally valid.
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April 22, 2023 11:26am
I remember when

If we legislate to ensure the Treaty is recognised in all decisions, does this mean that half of New Zealand needs to be in the control of Maori.
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April 22, 2023 11:33am
I remember when

Remember when a year in prison didn’t mean sitting around at home for twelve months.
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April 22, 2023 11:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ever notice that dogs only come in male or female, and cutting the balls off doesn’t make it female?
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April 22, 2023 12:10pm
JimBobJoe

https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2023/04/3000-more-children-on-benefits-in-just.html?m=1

Labour creating long term State dependency…. All the while having data that shows the correlation between their policies and poor life outcomes.

I hate few things… Not even Man Utd fans and im a Liverpool dan… But Labour zealots and their lunancy are edging to the I hate you bucket

What has happen to solid old Labour ideals like dignity through work and a fair wage for a fair days work?

The Uni educated Labour elite are the epitome of educated fools…..
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April 22, 2023 12:28pm
Maggie Pie

Holy Sh*t….stepped out to cross Remuera Rd earlier carrying a bag of Apple Scrolls and nearly got taken out by a speeding Motorbike!
Wonder if it was the same one that collected Kiri and Meng?
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April 22, 2023 12:42pm
- Ghost
  
  Who have you pissed off on the blog that wants you run over!
  
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  April 22, 2023 12:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder if milkey is in the Ulysses Club? 🙁
    
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    April 22, 2023 1:26pm
Ghost

Nope, you are wrong mr bus driver, it is you that has been written up, you dick

A school bus driver in the US is facing 30 counts of child abuse after he deliberately slammed on the brakes to teach primary school students a lesson about safety.

NZ Herald
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April 22, 2023 12:51pm
Widogast Corwin

A wonder if a journalist will ask the PM “Now that New Zealanders are eligible for Australian citizenship, will more talented New Zealanders move there?”

If he says “yes” he is admitting that it will exacerbate skilled labour shortages.

If he says “no” why is he celebrating this change?

I expect he would resort to word waffle 😂
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April 22, 2023 1:04pm
Kurious Kiwi

By focussing on 3 waters the public are missing the real threat.
Once Maori gain control of water they can control energy. 70% of electricity is hydro so this can be controlled and taxed through Te Mana O te Wai statements.
This is checkmate. Full control of water and energy handed to a 15% minority.
NZ voters need to wake up before it is too late.
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April 22, 2023 2:13pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis retweets….

“Black women stare in awe at girls blonde hair”

https://twitter.com/1amyesyouareno/status/1649546394875617281
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April 22, 2023 2:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am starting to think MTG wants the VP job. She is doing what Trump couldn’t, because of the media Fake News. Bidens are in doggy do. MTG needs to watch her back. There are others high up in the prostitute/trafficking and even pedo rings. I am not stupid enough to drop those names, but you get the idea, reguarding who has not been charged….
https://billingsreport.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-drops-bomb-on-biden-crime-family-oversight-committee-has-evidence-of-prostitution-ring/
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April 22, 2023 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  More. Buffering a bit. Bring quality down from 1080 to 480.
  https://spreely.video/v/3489268999/More-Proof-China-Owns-the-Bidens
  
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  April 22, 2023 3:10pm
Sparrow

Something completely different Housing. We all know we are not building enough although that might be solved with a brain drain to Australia. Just got around to reading the February edition of the BBC History mag which has an article about government housing. Some interesting stats. In the 30 years after WW2 four and half million homes were built thus an annual average of 150,000. Which on a much smaller scale was echoed in NZ. In 1980 the Brits built 100,000 houses its now 6,000 with a waiting list of over one million. Exactly the same situation in NZ on a smaller scale. What’s gone wrong ?
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April 22, 2023 4:13pm
- AitchW
  
  RMA, council planners, district council regs…….
  
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  April 22, 2023 4:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialists! Those people with no real job!
  Everything is free. You will be happy and own nothing.
  
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  April 22, 2023 5:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something is wrong here.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/purple-haired-us-rep-female-crash-test-dummies-needed-to-fight-gender-inequity-in-crash-victims/
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April 22, 2023 5:23pm
Ghost

No surprise there

Melting under the pressure! HALF of managers complain it’s ‘difficult’ to work with snowflake Gen Z employees – while more than a THIRD reveal they’ve had to FIRE younger staff because they’re too ‘easily offended’

Article
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April 22, 2023 6:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am not happy with this, but many are, even here in NZ!

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/the-united-nations-now-promotes-sex-with-minors-says-they-may-make-decisions-about-engaging-in-consexual-sexual-conduct/
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April 22, 2023 6:44pm
Ghost

Court Filing Suggests Troubling CIA Links To Two 9/11 Hijackers

A newly-released court filing raises grave questions about the relationship between Alec Station, a CIA unit set up to track Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and his associates, and two 9/11 hijackers leading up to the attacks, which was subject to a coverup at the highest levels of the FBI.

Obtained by SpyTalk, the filing is a 21-page declaration by Don Canestraro, a lead investigator for the Office of Military Commissions, the legal body overseeing the cases of 9/11 defendants. It summarizes classified government discovery disclosures, and private interviews he conducted with anonymous high-ranking CIA and FBI officials. Many agents who spoke to Canestraro headed up Operation Encore, the Bureau’s aborted, long-running probe into Saudi government connections to the 9/11 attack.

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