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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Prescriptions. Labour fact checked by Twitter.
Labour MP Arena Williams said her Dad pays $50 a month for prescriptions, so 10 items. She implies this was each and every month. What she sort of forgot to say was the $5 per item was for the first 20 prescriptions – after that it is FREE until the reset next Feb.
Why are Labour so dodgy??

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-mp-fact-checked-by-twitter-community-note-over-post-about-prescription-fee/ar-AA1bquw9

[Mod: There’s a whole post about this. Use that please]
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December 21, 2022 8:40am
- kevn
  
  @StevO… Aren’t they/she pathetic. Her parents should be ashamed of her.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mod, at 9.47am I have just seen it. I would have used it but I jumped right into General Debate – sharing some of my emails.
  Apologies.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It sounds like her father is one of those rich pricks !
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:07am
  - Bob
    
    David Parker will soon change that post 2023 election, unless the country comes to its senses; otherwise daughter Arena may have to help Daddy with his medication expenses.
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:54am
Mike

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Happy World Day for Cultural Diversity for Dialogue and Development!
I’m very much looking forward to some dialogue here celebrating cultural diversity in the face of increasing globalization.
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May 21, 2023 8:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  The world is actually starting to de-globalise.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:39am
  - Mike
    
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    Yes, globalization has been identified by many as a leading cause of the loss of valuable cultural diversity. it would be good in New Zealand, for example if people stopped want to import pointless culture wars from the US. Cultures in NZ don’t weird concepts about imaginary threats such as critical race theory, cultural Marxism, or pedophile conspiracies – those are products of one particularly sick culture.
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:58am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Yet I had to endure a job interviewee on Friday with pronouns (not mentioned on its CV, otherwise it wouldn’t have made it to an interview) I couldn’t give a fuck about. It won’t be getting a job any time soon.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:56am
  - Planet B
    
    Only because of countries like the BRICS group not playing in the ultra woke sandpit that the west has become.
    
    With NATO losing battles and territory to a private army, the corruption in the US political system that the host can’t seem to bringg himself to write about and the managerial class desperate to put every mentally I’ll minority on a pedestal and call you racist if you disagree. It’s no wonder people are sick of being told what to do by unelected organisations filled with megalomaniac Malthusian psychopaths.
    
    Don’t get too complacent yet, Black Rock still have more money than God and these people like bill gates, George Soros and Schwab are not done with us yet.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:02am
    - mawm
      
      I think the WHO is next in line to take away your freedom, bodily autonomy and NZ’s sovereignty. It’s amazing how money from those you mention can clarify the thinking at the WHO. /sarc
      
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      May 21, 2023 1:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Mike, I thought your “World Day” note today would be about one of your favourite authors, Barbara Cartland, who died three years ago today.
  
  Rumour has it your campaign stopped the book vandals at the National Library from thinning their store of her more than 700 titles.
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:18am
  - I remember when
    
    I am reading – Stranger in the House: Julie Summers.
    My knowledge of Barbara Cartland, very little, has been increased immensely along with a greater appreciation of some of her lesser known wartime achievements.
    Wars were particularly hard on their family, losing her father in World War 1 and both of her brothers, within a day of each other, in World War 2.
    Her publicity about those suffering, as a result of the war, especially women, was influential.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:25pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Love cultural diversity? Go travelling.
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I like multicultural. I like to go to India to see the range of cultures there; ditto Europe & Africa.
  
  When I come to NZ, I’d like to see NZ culture. But, it’s increasingly hard to do so, thanks to 1m+ immigrant in the last 20-odd years.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:14pm
Chuck Bird

Well worth a 5 minute view.

How to fix a broken media

https://commonroomnz.com/sean-plunket-how-to-fix-a-broken-media/
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May 21, 2023 8:03am
- G152
  
  Remove governmental funding
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    …….and boycott their advertisers.
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now I just skipped through that. One good start would be calling out media for not investigating the Labour Govt on the secrecy and bullshit regarding Co-Governance, and pandering to the Maori Party. Labour are selling us to Elite Maori and they know it. This is wrong for New Zealand.
  This is one of the reasons Jaspinda ran. She got wind of where we are really going.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:34am
  - kowtow
    
    She was pushed cos she had become generally toxic. Nothing to do with her race policies , which , in my opinion she was more than happy to ramp up.
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They’re not selling NZ to the maori elite, they’re giving it away.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    She knew exactly what she was doing and when to run – which she did.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:23pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Very good, though Plunkett saying no minorities in NZ are discriminated against isn’t exactly true. The unvaccinated were and are and those unable to wear a mask often still are.
  Also Sean was quite abusive and dismissive of anyone ringing The Platform, certainly in the early days. Also I believe Rodney Hide left the show for similar reasons?
  Not sure what Sean’s position is these day. Like with the legacy media, I tuned out when I realised he wasn’t going to give people a fair go when the covid conversion came up. Hopefully he’s gotten past that. We need as much independent media as possible.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:37am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Report on Malcolm Rewa fails to mention his iwi links.

Surely Stuff has breached Treaty principles.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132042365/police-report-buried-for-17-years-reveals-serial-rapist-malcolm-rewa-was-suspected-of-dozens-more-attacks
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May 21, 2023 8:03am
- sirknz
  
  The PIJF seems to trump the treaty obligations…
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:10am
  - Paulus
    
    You forgot the other P in the title – Propaganda !
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think he is Ngapuhi.
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:30am
Keith White

A question asked yesterday about my assertion that Robertson said the vaccine was safe and effective: this quote is from his press interview in Oct 21

“…Robertson reiterated that Pfizer, the current vaccine on offer, is safe and all New Zealanders should “get on board with it”.

“All around the world millions of people have received it and it is safe. It is the vaccine we have and it’s the vaccine we are asking New Zealanders to use unless there is a medical reason otherwise.

“Robertson said it’s “vitally important” for New Zealand to have the highest vaccine rates as possible to tackle the Delta outbreak, as cases are expected to double in the next fortnight across Auckland.
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May 21, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Robertson said, “it’s the vaccine we are asking New Zealanders to use unless there is a medical reason otherwise.”
  I know plenty of people who were refused legitimate medical exemptions for the jab, I don’t know any who were granted one? Another lie from a Labour politician. No surprises here.
  
  But currently in NZ, it isn’t allowed to be talked about. Like it never happened. The willful and malicious refusal to acknowledge the harms done is abhorrent.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:02am
All_on_Red

If only…
‘The commencement of regular output from a much-delayed Finnish nuclear reactor in April saw electricity prices in the country decrease by more than 75 percent.

The Olkiluoto 3 (OL3) nuclear plant completed the transition from testing to regular output last month to become Finland’s first new nuclear plant in more than four decades. It is expected to produce up to 15 percent of the country’s power demand.

And while the plant’s production is still in its early days, its launch has had a considerable effect on Finland’s energy prices, lowering the electricity spot price in the country from €245.98 per megawatt-hour (MWh) in December to €60.55 per MWh in April, a reduction of more than 75 percent, according to physical electricity exchange, Nord Pool.’
https://rmx.news/article/newly-launched-finnish-nuclear-plant-sees-electricity-prices-plunge-by-75-percent/
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May 21, 2023 8:05am
- [email protected]
  
  So the Finish people are now paying only the equivalent of NZ $0.105 per KwH for electricity after adding one new nuclear power plant.
  
  We are paying NZ $0.46 per KwH during peak time and NZ $0.23 at night when power is at its cheapest plus a fixed daily charge regardless of how much or how little power we use.
  
  Wish we had a few nuclear power plants.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:22am
  - CJames
    
    The average wholesale market price in NZ (which is what the Finnish number is) is about 11c a unit. That includes carbon charges for fuel burnt. The extra cost is all the other things – transmission, distribution and retail charges plus the taxes.
    The fixed daily charges are needed otherwise those that have solar wouldn’t pay anything for energy charges even though they need the grid to function, taking their surplus, and provide imports at night.
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:54am
    - Flossie
      
      Haven’t daily/availability charges been around since way before solar panels were available?
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:20am
      - CJames
        
        On of the main reasons why they were introduced were all the people who had baches and only used small amounts of power for a couple of months a year. There used to be whole coastal communities like thisThey were costing power companies more money to read the meters than they got in income, so were subsidised by the average household consumers.
        They now pay a lot of capital costs. The spread between daily and consumption varies area to area. My power bill data shows here they have gone from 90c to $2.32 in twenty five years. GST is extra.
        
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        May 21, 2023 10:20am
- Inandout
  
  AoR, Finland compared to NZ.
  https://www.focus-economics.com/countries/finland/
  
  We could be prosperous again but the Greens would block progress every step of the way.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:49am
- Mike
  
  Do electricity charges price in the cost of decommissioning plants and storage of any waste?
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’m sure if the comparison was permitted to be truthfully carried out, a genuine cost/benefit analysis would very quickly prove that solar and wind are the most expensive forms of power generation. Same for an ICE vs an all electric vehicle.
    
    But as with covid, open and honest conversations aren’t permitted. Everything is about narrative control by the Marxists currently in the process of destroying society.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:06am
    - [email protected]
      
      Our 5.3Kw home solar system was installed almost exactly 5 years ago and in that time has generated 32 MwH of electricity. Annually that’s worth $1650.00 and results in a return on investment of 12.3% per year.
      
      One of the best investments we’ve ever made.
      
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      May 21, 2023 2:21pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Nice. Ours is only 3Kwh but it was considered state of the art when we put it in 12 years ago. Recently had to replace the batteries, went with lithium which meant changing the inverter and charge controller. Set us back 30k but pretty sure it’ll do us another 20 years.
        Security of supply and no power bill is a wonderful feeling.
        
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        May 22, 2023 6:06am
    - KH
      
      @ ClanMcleod “I’m sure if the comparison was permitted to be truthfully carried out”.
      That’s a rubbish comment. Tell us an example where it’s not permitted. And who did not permit it. Be precise.
      
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      May 21, 2023 6:56pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, your comment is inane. It’s impossible to prove a negative, it should be relatively simple for you to find me plenty of studies showing where FULL comparison has been done.
        Be precise.
        
        Looking forward to checking them out. Take as long as you need and thanks for bringing it up.
        
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        May 22, 2023 6:09am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    That should be factored in as should the disposal of batteries, solar panels and windmills.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly my point Chuck, if all true costs were factored in to a cost/benefit analysis, wind and solar would be at the bottom of the pile.
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:36am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Dunno. Decommissing of nukes hasn’t happened a lot – looks like numbers that noone much wants to own up to. A worn out nuke is a large heap of radioactive rubble.
      
      Waste is still a work in progress too. You could look at Sellafield – the UK’s nuclear garbage dump. An awful lot of very nasty high-level long-life stuff waiting for a home. An awful lot of plutonium sitting in tupperware containers in one building. The odd mistaken release of bad stuff into the Irush Sea on a calm night. etc etc
      
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      May 21, 2023 12:18pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Waste is still a work in progress too.
        
        From the US government Office of Nuclear Energy
        
        U.S. commercial reactors have generated about 90,000 metric tons of spent fuel since the 1950s. If all of it were able to be stacked together, it could fit on a single football field at a depth of less than 10 yards.
        
        The nation’s spent nuclear fuel is initially stored in steel-lined concrete pools surrounded by water. It’s later removed from the pools and placed into dry storage casks that are made of steel and concrete or other materials used for protective shielding.
        
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        May 21, 2023 2:09pm
      - CJames
        
        It would have been stored safely in Yucca Mountain if it hadn’t been for Democrat Harry Reid corrupting the process.
        If turned vitrified, encased in stainless and coated in glass, it could be safely dropped into the oceanic trenches to be returned to the bowels of the earth.
        
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        May 21, 2023 2:32pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “An awful lot of very nasty high-level long-life stuff waiting for a home” – sounds like it has a home? It’s just that there’s currently no simple solution to making it safe other than encasing it and waiting.
        The discussion is about “renewable” v the alternatives. I’ve yet to see any report explaining firstly, where ask the materials are coming from to make all the solar panels, wind turbines and batteries.
        Secondly, the tricky little problem of disposal or recycle once they have done their dash. These are the reports and comparisons I haven’t seen that KH invited me to provide.
        I’ve passed that one back to them and looking forward to reading them. Not holding my breath.
        
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        May 22, 2023 6:20am
Scooter

Will this turn out to be a “Spray and Walk away” budget for Grant? Here’s hoping.
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May 21, 2023 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  If the Nats played it properly it could be the hongi and hangi budget that cooked his goose .
  
  The fact that so much can be spent by so many on so few is racist , unfair and divisive .
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:47am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Treasury’s statement that “Interest rates will be higher for longer” is going to be Robertson’s albatross around his neck.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:29am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I saw some idiot in the $1uffed comments section suggest that a high OCR and inflation was “the sign of a strong economy.”
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:08am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The idiots from the left also think a high dollar is a sign of a strong economy, they look stupid when you say it’s because of high interest rates that attract foreign investors
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:14am
      - Bob
        
        the sign of a strong economy….
        and these economic illiterates are allowed to vote at the general election.
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:18am
Suze Wainwright

With the possibility of vote cannibalism across the Labour/Green Party of Aotearoa-New Zealand/Te Pati Maori spectrum, have left political strategists started telling people who they must vote for yet?
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May 21, 2023 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yesterday Marama Davidson made a big play about how the new List for Greens is promoting Maori candidates…
  
  With more Māori Green MPs, we can push the Crown to uphold its promise to guarantee tino rangatiratanga of tangata whenua over their whenua, kainga and taonga katoa,” said co-leader Marama Davidson.
  
  https://www.teaomaori.news/green-party-candidate-list-includes-nine-maori
  
  The Maori Party may well struggle to attract the vote of urban, diverse and professional young Maori.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:52am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I guess Te Pati Maori just needs to focus on that lowest of the low National Urban Maori flotsam then…
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:56am
  - pdm
    
    maggy – it looks to me that they have plenty of diversity through the number of:
    
    1 White cis males.
    2. Lesbians
    3. Maori – both male and female
    4. Mexicans
    5. Iranians
    
    What they seem to be short of is one legged or one armed transvestites.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:00am
  - Mike
    
    I think pretty much all parties play up their inclusion of Māori candidates, don’t they?
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:01am
    - Cassandra
      
      ACT doesn’t. And why the others do beats me. Who gives a flying whatsit what race a candidate is, other than racists.
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:34am
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    Remember when it was an environmental Party?
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:02am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      No Obi, they have never been an environmental party. It grew from Victoria University, so can be labeled hard left from the get-go. Cloth caps, greatcoats and “comrade” all round.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:41am
      - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
        
        Jeannette Fitzsimons may disagree with you. (co-leader of the Green Party of New Zealand from 1995 to 2009, and a Member of Parliament from 1996 to 2010. The only green party member to ever actually win a seat).
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:11am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Grumpy, Jeanette may well disagree with me, but that doesn’t change the facts – Vic has been a cess pit of socialism since forever. And the Greens sprang from, what for it, the Values Party, a Party populated by dropkick leftists.
        
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        May 21, 2023 1:38pm
      - Flossie
        
        Grumpy silver…which seat did Fitzsimons win?
        And I think you may have missed Chloe Swarbrick – of the Green Party – winning a seat in Auckland in 2020.
        For the record, never voted Green, and never will
        
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        May 22, 2023 12:41am
      - Ghost
        
        Coromandel In 1999
        
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        May 22, 2023 9:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The good old days. They really need to change their name, there is nothing green about them.
      
      Saw this on Substack earlier:
      
      In agriculture a lot of shit brings a lot of green, in politics a lot of green brings a lot of shit.
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:15am
      - leoj
        
        Ironical that the huge majority of support for the communist Greens is from the concrete jungle cities.
        
        Put them in the actual countryside and they are totally lost.
        
        Also lost intellectually.
        
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        May 21, 2023 7:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Put them in the countryside and they start bitching that the neighbours animals are waking them up, that the neighbours farm smells, and omg this water tastes wrong can I have chlorine in it please….
        
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        May 21, 2023 7:08pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        leoj – they’ve been sold a narrative. It gives them some meaning in their otherwise drab and meaningless lives.
        Bird feeder in the garden, tick. Subscription to Greenpeace, tick. Photo of sponsored African kid on the fridge, tick.
        Saved the planet! Morons.
        
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        May 22, 2023 6:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not really,
      
      It has always been a party of folks with a very restricted urban view of life.
      
      I’ve found most Green politicians to have a very limited (often zilch) understanding of stuff that I consider to be basic when discussing the environment…
      
      E.g. Energy flow through ecosystems
      Major nutrient cycles
      Ecosystem dynamics
      
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      May 21, 2023 11:48am
    - I remember when
      
      They have just removed the “Environ” from many of their candidates.
      
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      May 21, 2023 1:50pm
  - pdm
    
    BTW Maggy
    
    The grapevine tells me that the yet to be announced Green candidate for Tukituki is a mid thirties white cis male. Not only that but he is quite possibly also a pom – so much for the Greens hating Colonialism.
    
    BTW my source is impeccable apart from the pom bit but, I know he and his wife (yes he is heterosexual) met in England.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:04am
    - pdm
      
      He has now been named by The Greens.
      
      Nick Ratcliffe 23 on their list.
      
      Still don’t know if he is a pom or not.
      
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      May 21, 2023 7:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.greens.org.nz/nick_ratcliffe_2023
        
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        May 21, 2023 8:12pm
  - Taieri
    
    With more Māori Green MPs, we can push the Crown to uphold its promise to guarantee tino rangatiratanga of tangata whenua over their whenua, kainga and taonga katoa
    ————–
    
    How can the Tangata Whenua become fully emancipated and realise their true potential while there is this great division between Te Pāti Māori and Rōpū Kākāriki o Aotearoa?
    Both parties are, to a great extent, very similar. Particularly in their usefulness. Or the lack of it…
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:32am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The Crown will uphold what it agreed to if Maori stop making up entirely new things that the Crown never agreed to, could not have agreed to, and never will agree to.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    I am not sure that the elite educated at taxpayers costs, young educated Part Maori are that stupid – they see more infusion into the Labour party, so that after 3 terms of Natioanl, they will have all the power.
    Like rust grows gradually, so what is another 9 years.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      so what is another 9 years.
      
      Another 9 years is when the Asian population of NZ eclipses that of Maori.
      
      Do you really think 1M+ folk want to play 2nd fiddle to a Treaty that had bugga-all to do with them?
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/population-projected-to-become-more-ethnically-diverse
      
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      May 21, 2023 2:52pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I mean, it’s not just telling people who they must vote for, it has to be in the correct numbers to create the most effective coalition arrangement
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:54am
- pdm
  
  Suze – it is very likely that large KFC and Macdonalds orders have already been placed with South Auckland outlets for Saturday 14 October 2023.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hahahaha, vote Nats to keep Greens snd TPM lunatics away from the swivelly seats
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:15am
Drone

With all the government announcements on investment in infrastructure and resilience at the recent budget I wondered what ever happened to the Implementation Unit established in 2021 by Robertson within DPMC to “ensure awareness of whether selected, priority projects are on track to deliver the intended benefits within the intended timeframes – and, if not, to work with the responsible minister and agency to identify what needs to be done to bring the project back on track and follow up to ensure these actions are taken.

The Unit is led by Executive Director Katrina Casey”. Did it happen, has it reported back yet on anything, just asking..
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May 21, 2023 8:25am
- CJames
  
  When one looks at what Labour considers “essential infrastructure”, it is best that this is another non-delivery.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Implementation Unit is up and publishing work programmes on its web site
  
  https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/publications/proactive-release-implementation-unit-work-programme-30-june-2023
  
  Katrina Casey is now Director of Cyclone Recovery Unit
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131500983/new-boss-announced-for-governments-cyclone-recovery-unit
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:58am
  - Taieri
    
    Katrina Casey is now Director of Cyclone Recovery Unit
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    Will she be as successful as in all the other ventures that she’s been a part of so far?
    Her linkedin entry says a lot. Mainly of self-promotion and hype…
    
    https://nz.linkedin.com/in/katrina-casey-39614aa1
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:42am
    - LauraNorda
      
      So she has not created any wealth for the country, produced anything of value, personally had to employ anyone at her financial risk or generated any great benefit to society then, just been a Government employee for a very long time.
      
      Excellent choice. //
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins crowing about budget money to fix 45000 pot holes, FFS that should have been budgeted out of road users, and he sounded such a weak limp wrist Ed plonker saying it
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hipkins crowing about budget money to fix 45000 pot holes,
    
    Yep, after 6 years of neglect our roads are falling apart.
    
    There’s little doubt that the number of potholes being neglected/poorly fixed has ballooned since Labour came to power…and buggered up our bitumen supply.
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but the arrogance of him to suggest that’s sorted because of the budget is pathetic
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:10pm
- Bill Felt
  
  When the Govt can’t implement a division that is tasked with implementation of projects and that division is called the “Implementation Unit” you know it is time to vote the Govt out!
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:45pm
Southern Raider

Another smash and grab in a mall yesterday and a public gang fight at a cafe

Welcome to the paradise of NZ
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May 21, 2023 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s all good though; Ginny Andersen has declared it safe to go out!
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:43am
  - Mike
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Do you feel unsafe going out?
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:02am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      At times, yes I do.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:31am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lol Mike, you clearly haven’t been into central Auckland in the evening or at night for a long time.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:44am
      - Mike
        
        See pdm below for a fascinating description of what a ‘safe’ outing means for him.
        
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        May 21, 2023 9:51am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The secret is keep walking, if someone gives you the look eye ball them till they look away
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:18am
    - leoj
      
      Large parts of Auckland are now slums thanks to successive “progressive” (read Labour) rule.
      
      You only have to look at their Democrat cousins in USA who run the major cities into the gutter.
      
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      May 21, 2023 7:07pm
  - pdm
    
    Inv – it is if you go to club rugby in Hastings.
    
    The crowd was predominantly Maori and very good humoured maybe because their team had a comfortable win over the team we were supporting.
    
    Actually we were at the same venue about 3 weeks ago where the game between the same two teams went to the last 5 minutes before they scraped out a narrow win. The same good humour prevailed then even though their team was behind a couple of times in the match.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:14am
    - Mike
      
      Good grief!
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:27am
      - leoj
        
        Welcome to the real world Mike.
        
        Your realm on the left is responsible for all the shit we are having to endure.
        
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        May 21, 2023 7:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Police budget cut during a crime emergency.
  
  And they still poll over 30 % . Unbelievable.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:48am
  - Taieri
    
    Police budget cut during a crime emergency.
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    But is it really still an emergency? Something that occurs on a regular, daily basis is no longer an emergency. It becomes a normal state of things. Unfortunately, nobody seems to be overly concerned with it. Is there any outrage expressed by the media? By the public figures? Politicians? If there is, I’ve missed it.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:38am
    - kowtow
      
      I agree , we’ve slipped into what is essentially a generalised state of lawlessness.
      
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      May 21, 2023 1:38pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That should be shouted from the roof tops, more speeches to go in the budget, I note they stated the cut in police funding was well hidden well back in the pages
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:21am
  - emmess
    
    Is this ‘defunding the police’ by stealth
    
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    May 21, 2023 8:53pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nope, staight out defunding
      
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      May 22, 2023 3:36pm
- Nickc2
  
  I happened to be in the Glenfield Mall yesterday about an hour and a half after the incident and a bunch of coloured kids hanging around the Food Hall were laughing and acting out the incident with great bravado bordering on hero worship.
  What hope do we have?
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:57am
Yvette

Democracy – “Will we know it, when we see it”?

Hipkins’ instructions to Te Pāti Māori to play nice were bound to backfire. It’s simply not in its DNA as a revolutionary party to kowtow to anyone. In fact, its electoral purposes may be best served by continuing to show just how contemptuous it is of the conventional political hierarchy. Chances are that snaffling a government minister to its ranks in the form of Meka Whaitiri was just an opening move. Who knows what other disruptive tactics it has up its sleeve?
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-te-pāti-māori-kingmaker-or-labour-s-albatross

Christopher Luxon should challenge Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Rawiri Waititi to define what Te Pāti Māori believes “co-governance to be – so Labour may in turn have to confirm or deny.

As all of Labour’s promoting Maori Elite to a point of supremism is now shut down as too Election-sensitive, National / ACT should pull the carpet back to reveal what the lumps are, so that this time the Electorate is more aware of what it is voting for. Luxon should let this fill the void Ardern has left.

And while Luxon is at it, ask for an example of what a Mana o te Wai Statement – already written into law – may actually look like. And if, as Willie Jackson said, democracy is no longer what we know it to be – no longer the “tyranny of the majority” – what does that look like too?

“Will we know it, when we see it”?
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May 21, 2023 8:30am
- Paulus
  
  You know as we all do that the paid media will not let Luxon anywhere in the upcoming Party.
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:44pm
Bridgenag

a successful society must see to itself
keep calm and take back what is ours: self-reliance is the only true social fabric

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/a-successful-society-must-see-to?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 21, 2023 8:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Some background on Climate-change spin doctoring

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/media/2023/05/the-obliging-presstitutes-of-climate-journalism/
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May 21, 2023 8:45am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Hah, one of this group’s (EJN) goals is to “build trust”.
  I think it’s fair to say that they’ve failed on that front.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:58am
kowtow

Sunday Herald Emmerson cartoon attacks the Nats .Again.
Where’s holding power to account.
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May 21, 2023 8:49am
- Keith White
  
  Emmerson ain’t gonna bite the hand that feeds him.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:32am
Matt Long

Further to my post from last week about desirability of living in nations according to their dominant religious worldview, Christians in Africa have better education and therefore live outcomes than other groups.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06051-2
Still looking for the great atheist nations?
North Korea? Kampuchea?
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May 21, 2023 8:57am
- Mike
  
  Are there any nations, apart from Vatican City, Israel and Islamic republics that define themselves as religious states?
  It seems to me that every other country can be defined as an ‘atheist nation’.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:05am
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    The United States is secular. However try proclaiming you are atheist and running for office. IIRC there are maybe two or three openly atheist members of Congress.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:13am
    - Mike
      
      Just noting that there are very few ‘religious’ nations as a counterpoint to the OP’s nonsense about ‘atheist nations’.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        The post is about dominant religious world view Mike, try and keep up.
        
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        May 21, 2023 10:19am
  - Keith White
    
    Mahayana Buddhism is Bhutan’s official state religion.
    
    India would be the biggest non-Islamic religious state; it declares itself secular but prioritizes Hinduism in its Constitution.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:36am
    - Mike
      
      And India seems to be heading down a dangerous path towards exacerbating religious and cultural differences rather than recognizing diversity.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:56am
      - pdm
        
        Sounds like the way Labour and the Greens are heading in New Zealand Mikey.
        
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        May 21, 2023 10:45am
      - Paulus
        
        Which is why such as Australia are currently taking so many people of Indian Sub Continent ethnicity.
        I understand that it is expected overalll 400,000 immigrants this year and as PM said he want to go to 28 million from 26 million currently in four year (as long as the vote Labor of course).
        
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        May 21, 2023 1:48pm
    - Jack5
      
      With more than 200 million Muslims, 25 million or so Sikhs, and 28 million Christians, prioritising Hinduism is a contentious policy for India.
      
      (The Christian population may be under-estimated. If Christians from the underprivileged Dalit caste identify as Christians rather than as Dalits, they apparently lose some State welfare.)
      
      Prime Minister Modi’s party, the BJP, is the Hindu nationalist party. According to a recent writer, back in the day the BJP wanted independence from Britain delayed to prevent splitting of Pakistan from India.
      
      Godse, the assassin of Gandhi, came from an extreme Hindu nationalist political corner, and was driven by hatred of what he and his co-conspirators saw as Gandhi’s pandering to Muslims.
      
      Godse’s path from the BJP to a more extreme group is described here:
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-60013807
      
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      May 21, 2023 11:45am
  - Che Guava
    
    Israel isn’t defined by Jewish religion, but more so by Jewish ethnicity. They even have a DNA citizenship test. It is more of an ethnostate than it is a religious state, and Judaism is really more of a set of principles to advance the interests of the Jewish ethnic group on earth than it is about anything supernatural.
    
    https://lawoffice.org.il/en/israeli-citizenship-dna-test/
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:29am
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  I’m not sure that correlation stacks up globally. A majority of Japanese have no religious beliefs. Argentina is overwhelmingly Catholic and the place is chaos and getting worse.
  
  The Czech Republic is the least religious country globally. It is now richer than New Zealand and racing away from us.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maggie Pie will be back from Mass shortly to give you a tune-up.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:28am
    - Mike
      
      Hope she gets in a mention of Saint Helena – ‘Equal to the Apostles’ – whose special day it is today. St Helena has magic powers in respect of archaeologists, converts, difficult marriages, divorced people, and empresses, so keeping on her good side could be useful in some circumstances.
      
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      May 21, 2023 9:37am
      - Keith White
        
        …and Archangel Michael is a champion of justice, a healer of the sick, and the guardian of the Church on earth. Better ramp up your devotions there Mike-O with that one as your namesake.
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:31am
      - Keith White
        
        Better be careful about dissing the guardian of the church Mikey. Elsewhere in the blogosphere today:
        
        “…A drunken thief was injured after falling on the sword of a statue of St Michael the Archangel that he was trying to steal from a church in Monterrey, Mexico. While trying to flee with the statuehe tripped and fell on the angel’s sword, seriously injuring his neck.”
        
        Oh dear! Anyway…
        
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        May 21, 2023 12:30pm
  - kevn
    
    @Kumbu… I’ll bet Hungary is up there with Czech.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:36am
- Ra Henare
  
  Kampuchea!!!!
  Matt. Current name is Cambodia and is far from being an atheist nation.
  some 98% Buddhist as you would know if you actually did any research at all.
  
  Comment brought to you from someone currently visiting Cambodia.
  
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  May 21, 2023 4:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This shit is happening in emails from NZ Govt Departments. I don’t yet know if it is compulsory or if the sender has a choice. Someone may like to enlighten me.
We are talking about woke shit ‘pronouns.’

https://libertyonenews.com/reporter-and-bidens-state-department-spar-over-mandatory-pronouns-on-emails/
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May 21, 2023 9:07am
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  It is not compulsory in the Public Service. However the Public Service Commission encourages the use of pronouns in email signatures. Indeed they have issued extensive advice on the subject. I would estimate that about 80 percent of public servants in New Zealand comply.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:16am
  - Mike
    
    Most have ‘brand guidelines’ etc, that set out what must be in email signatures. Gender pronouns are not mandatory.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Said Mike he/him.
      
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      May 21, 2023 4:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only need one pronoun. It starts with “F” and used as a verb.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:38am
    - Keith White
      
      FAFO? Asking for a neighbour. 🙂
      
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      May 21, 2023 11:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just tell the neighbour LOL
        
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        May 21, 2023 4:18pm
- Dougal10
  
  I got an envelope in the mail the other day from some form of govt agency . Upon opening it and starting to read what they required I quickly realised that they must have the wrong person as it was unreadable to me. I binned it .
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yup, that’s what is happening to any correspondence I receive. If it isn’t started in English it is binned.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:39am
  - artemisia
    
    If there is a different government in October, suggest we the people send a new Minister every example of an incomprehensible missive from their departments.
    
    Ask the Minister to request a reissue to the constituent in English, or alternatively send two missives – one in English and one in Maori. Both in the same envelope to economise on something at least.
    
    Let’s do this!
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ask candidates before the Election if they want your vote.
      “Yes” then these are the conditions – English only.
      
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      May 21, 2023 4:20pm
Southern Raider

All the MSM commentators seem to be praising Robbo for being bold in his budget because he went opposite of Treasury and RB advice

Is that really what the MSM should be championing? Captains calls is what got us into all this mess as a country
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May 21, 2023 9:10am
- Dougal10
  
  The captain pays the wages so he gets what he wants.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:30am
Southern Raider

Saw an article from USA that getting up early was a white supremacy concept

Pretty sure if the ferals in the world got out of bed, had a routine and had a job things would be a lot better
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May 21, 2023 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This one:
  
  https://medium.com/@anthonybernardi/why-waking-up-early-is-rooted-in-white-supremacy-f487b04376f1
  
  Clearly the author never came from a hunter gather background and didn’t know the first thing about best time to hunt mammals, birds, or go fishing out to sea;
  
  and perhaps never lived in a vey hot climate.
  
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  May 21, 2023 3:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Abbott, Carlson, and Dominion.

https://libertyonenews.com/gov-abbott-takes-on-dominion-after-report-reveals-free-speech-attack-in-lawsuit/

Sounds like Carlson will be having a show via Twitter. Dominion can’t silence him, unless of course they put pressure on Twitter. Enter Ilon Musk and his new CEO.
Popcorn.
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May 21, 2023 9:13am
Southern Raider

Would be good to have an economist produce a report on whether if we just gave every Māori $100K one off payment, instead of all the ministries, tribal elite, community groups etc, would we as a nation get better outcomes
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May 21, 2023 9:14am
- Keith White
  
  Would never be full or final.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:37am
- Flossie
  
  First we’d have to define a Maori….100%? 25%? 5%??
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just identify as
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:40am
  - Keith White
    
    We’d need a plurality of ethnobiologists…
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:32am
- MCōs
  
  Stupid racist idea
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If only you were a Black American from California, and could remember your Great Grandaddies name.
    
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    May 21, 2023 4:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Doing it in California – maybe.
  It will never be full and final if the idea if it gets off the ground..
  
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  May 21, 2023 4:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Graham Adams is convincing in his discussion of how our Democracy is at stake this election:

Anyone who believes firmly that equal suffrage is an essential part of a multi-ethnic, liberal democracy will find it difficult to vote for the coalition shaping up on the left while those who think democracy based on one person, one vote is no longer viable as a political system and would prefer a state in which ancestry confers special political and civil rights will vote accordingly.

The stakes for New Zealand’s future are high.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/05/20/graham-adams-te-pati-maori-kingmaker-or-labours-albatross/#more-22183
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May 21, 2023 9:16am
- Dave
  
  Unfortunately, as someone else pointed out in General Debate a week or so ago, we hear a lot about the principles of the ToW, not so much about the principles of liberal democracy.
  
  Perhaps future legislation should include a ‘nothing in this act shall be inconsistent with the principles of liberal democracy’ clause.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:14am
  - Yvette
    
    Dave – we hear a lot about the principles of the ToW, not so much about the principles of liberal democracy.
    
    If the Treaty and its relatively recently found principles (from about the 1970s to 80s onward), as interpreted by Labour leads to Willie Jackson’s democracy as we don’t know it, is a revised Treaty, lauding Maori over all others, that democratic.
    
    The hassle is getting such an argument started when the mainstream media are so biased in favour of Labour and through them to the Treaty – and to a version of the Treaty that needs the Supreme Court of the United States to tell us does not cover the right to Abortion and a hell of a lot of other add-ons.
    The Treaty itself is now bit of an abortion which the country needs to address.
    
    Pare it back again to
    Article One – Maori have their taonga, tattoed heads returned from around the world, fisheries and what else they do not want to sell.
    Article Three – We are all individual but equal citizens, with the right to a glass of fresh water without having to adopt Te Ao Maori to get it, even if we have to pay a bloody city council for it.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:46am
    - I remember when
      
      Is the problem the principles or the principals?
      
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      May 21, 2023 2:24pm
      - Yvette
        
        It is both
        Everything is wrong with the Treaty as it is now interpreted.
        
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        May 21, 2023 3:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shades of Hillary. Is she advising Biden? If anyone says she is they might get ‘disappeared’?
https://americanpatriotclub.com/shades-of-hillary-missing-informant-in-biden-investigation/
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May 21, 2023 9:21am
- Inandout
  
  SO, probably will be found with a bullet in back or hanging from a tree. Unfortunate suicide.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:02am
Yvette

Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Rawiri Waititi is the fuse that Nation / ACT should light under Labour?

But remembering John Tamihere and perhaps Tuku Morgan, Willie Jackson, and the Mahutas are also on the other end of the fuse.
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May 21, 2023 9:32am
Gravelroad

There is a big push on for home owners/builders to use glass “wool” as insulation.
Glass wool is fibre glass.
Wool is a warm, natural, sustainable, and easily renewable product.
It is a shame that such a great natural fibre has to be compromised by being branded with chemical based products.
Fibre glass is not wool.
Don’t call it wool.
Sheep produce wool.
Have some respect for the sheep.
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May 21, 2023 9:35am
- Mike
  
  Meanings of words change over time. This is possibly related to the different uses of the word ‘fibre’ for both organic and non-organic materials. Although it also occurs to me that we have had steel ‘wool’ around for a long time.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:45am
  - Mike
    
    The Shorter Oxford informs me that ‘wool’ has been used for 400 years as a term for any fine fibrous substance naturally or artificially produced.
    
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    May 21, 2023 9:49am
  - Taieri
    
    Meanings of words change over time.
    ———–
    
    Yes, they do. “Woman” is a prime example…
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:24am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nah, that one will never change, no matter how many clowns think they can change the meaning of words. They can try and deny reality, but it’s constant. 2 2 will always equal 4, never 5.
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Woman, she/her.
      FIFU
      
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      May 21, 2023 10:44am
      - Keith White
        
        Ah, women.
        
        There is really a magical + gotcha moment where a lot of us guys can relate, in the video montage that goes with ‘Crockett’s Theme’ / from Miami Vice.
        
        You can look for it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UmOY6ek_Y4
        
        Crockett has been taken in by a very lovely (looking) blonde confidence trickster. He realises this after the fact and hands her off to the authorities – and does not make the mistake of getting derailed once his mind is made up, by meeting the Soulful Female Gaze 🙂
        
        Watch 0:25 to 1:05
        
        As Dirty Harry woulda said “A man needs to be mindful of his limitations when easily distracted.”
        
        The music track is a classic IMO and the photo / clip montage enhances it.
        
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        May 21, 2023 11:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I work in wool, what shits me with this idiotic policy is the government is pouring money into finding new markets for strong wool, this was a direct opportunity to do something about it their selves, another thing, they could start pointing out the fact that synthetic carpets are made from oil, and if they are so worried about oil killing the world then they could do something about it
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:27am
  - Mike
    
    I distrust market mechanisms too.
    
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    May 21, 2023 4:53pm
Suze Wainwright

It occurs to me that the bulk of political ‘commentators’ and journos out there are (publicly, but mostly privately) tribal Labour and still view the election in terms of just a National v Labour fight – with superficial mention of the third parties.

Will they ever provide any genuine analysis of what a coalition govt of their preferred Labour Party with the necessary support of others might actually look like?
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May 21, 2023 9:38am
Yvette

What policies did Hipkins really throw on his “bread and butter” tidy-up bonfire and what went under an already very lumpy carpet to be rolled back post-Election – if they get the chance?

”The challenge we’ve put to the prime minister today is will he succumb to the attack dogs of the National party and ACT as they fan the flames of racism and anti-Māori sentiments, and throw us under the bus for the sake of keeping alive three waters?” – Tukoroirangi Morgan

“the attack dogs of the National party and ACT” – where are they? Even just a little nip here or there might be good – or even is that too much Christian Christopher Luxon?
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May 21, 2023 9:50am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, there is so much information against Labour that I am just amazed National aren’t using it. What is Luxon waiting for, one of his team to be affected?
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is waiting for a spine.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:46am
    - Yvette
      
      Luxon just needs to act a little more like the “attack dogs” which Tukoroirangi Morgan accuses him of being.
      Even just lick a few people like the more friendly Hound of the Baskervilles.
      Not entirely “fan the flames of racism”, but re-kindle (softer, nicer word) a few embers –
      like ask Te Pāti Māori’s co-leader Rawiri Waititi, “If he thinks he can’t work with National – his retort after National said it would not work with his Party – why does he think Te Pāti can work with Labour?”
      
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      May 21, 2023 12:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Te Tukuroirangi is a teacher. By that I mean he teaches others how to push this Co-Governance thing and quietly sits and watches.
        
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        May 21, 2023 5:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon has stated several times all these policies are back after the election, and Hipkins smirked and admitted it on tv a month ago
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:29am
- rouppe
  
  Just basic questions, like “if Maori owned the water, since the Waikato River starts at Taupo, which is Tuwharetoa country, and Tainui are in Hamilton, what did Tainui pay to Ngati Tuwharetoa in order to use the water?
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    How about- “I’m 80% water. Do Māoris majority-own me?”
    
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    May 21, 2023 2:28pm
    - grumpy
      
      Seems so…….at least you owe them for the privilege of using their water….
      
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      May 22, 2023 12:16pm
Ghost

Saw a headline of usa police using AI, thought, hmm, could be a good way to monitor crime, nope, using it to detect problematic behaviour with their officers

Across the US, police officers are equipped with body cameras that on average capture 20 videos a day, or 100 per week. In one Pennsylvania Department, the footage is now being analysed by artificial intelligence.

The Castle Shannon department has started using an AI tool called Truleo. It reviews all the footage, whereas human eyes usually only analyse one percent of it.

The AI scans the footage for five million keywords during interactions with the public, and the goal is to detect problematic officer behaviour so it can be rectified before things get worse.

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May 21, 2023 10:40am
- rouppe
  
  Never mind trying to detect problematic public behaviour
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:06pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Person of Interest
  
  Pretty good series actually.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:20pm
Grumpy Silver Haired Female

A recent post on Kiwiblog was headlined: “should of thought ….”
My pedant’s lexicon has noted that a number of similar phrases are creeping into the language, should of and would of are the two that first come to mind. It seems they are derived from should’ve and would’ve – the apostrophe denote missing letters, ie ha, such that the original ‘would have’ and ‘should have’ are shortened to should’ve and would’ve. The ‘ve has become ‘of’. Have any other readers noticed similar shifts?
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May 21, 2023 11:00am
- greybeard
  
  “That” “what” & “which” seem to get swapped at times, and lots of sentences ending in a preposition.
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:53pm
  - rouppe
    
    “less” instead of “fewer” is common.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah,
    but who can recognise a restrictive relative clause these days?
    
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    May 21, 2023 3:37pm
    - Dave
      
      Anyone who is interested in the finer points of grammar can recognise a restrictive relative clause. I can.
      
      On the other hand, my wife, who speaks three languages daily, probably can’t.
      
      I think her language skills, which I lack, are more valuable than my finicky English grammar knowledge, which she lacks.
      
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      May 21, 2023 4:50pm
      - KH
        
        In Italy the locals would correct my English Grammer and point out my mistakes. They are taught this, but our kids no longer are.
        Very precise folk the Italians, contrary to popular belief.
        
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        May 21, 2023 7:12pm
  - jonno1
    
    Yes, I was taught that one should never use a preposition to end a sentence with.
    
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    May 21, 2023 6:58pm
- kowtow
  
  Bought for brought and vice versa .
  
  In both speech and spelling.
  
  Very common on this site and increasingly in the print media and in broadcasting. Or should I say “boardcasting” , that happens too.
  Boardband is another .
  Slovenly speech habits.
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:56pm
- Mike
  
  These shifts in usage and pronunciation are nothing new and have been recorded for hundreds of years.
  Something will ‘sound’ wrong, if spoken, or ‘look’ wrong, if written, to someone who is merely accustomed to the pronunciation or spelling of a different time or region.
  As with many other social changes, most humans instinctively prefer previous patterns of behavior, especially as they age, and opinions and habits become more fixed.
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:00pm
Jack5

In Stuff today, Andrea Vance, an alumna of the disgraced News of the World, lectures National on how to draw up its election policy.

The subsidised news media, of which Stuff is probably financially the most vulnerable, will become more and more strident in their opposition to National-ACT as polling day nears.
Unlike American turkeys as Christmas approaches, NZ turkeys can read the calendar.

The general election voting booths will open 3502 hours from now (from, 11 am Sunday). That is, in 20 weeks and 6 days; or in 146 days from today.
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May 21, 2023 11:03am
- Ghost
  
  But jack there was a good part in her article
  
  Twitter lost its mind at the idea of another bloody National coup, egged on from the podium of truth by shit-stirrer-in-chief Chris Hipkins.
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour are getting desperate if they start that shit, they have learned from last term do not keep replacing the leader, that’s why it’s so sad fools on here to likewise, that’s why I suggest some ard Labour foot soldiers
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:32am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Ghost
    Mr Hipkins is not impressive- not as a person and certainly not as a Prime Minister.
    There is something shifty and insincere about him.
    But, no matter, the media and Twitter warriors will still support him in order to achieve the desired election result.
    They would vote for anyone in a red shirt with a fat wallet sticking out of their pocket.
    
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    May 21, 2023 4:35pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perhaps Andrea should polish up her CV & consider roles at the Londonderry Times.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:29pm
Maggie Pie

Talking with a bestie after Mass earlier.

Melinda used to be a full-time Kindy teacher in Remuera, but now does three days a week for a private Daycare-Centre pulling in twice the money.

She reckons one of the biggest factors with kids running amok in todays society, is that the vast majority of them are no longer even taught simple things like ‘Nursery-Rhymes’ at their mother’s knee.
She referenced a survey undertaken by the MoE, which found children, from what might be called less affluent areas, had never even HEARD of “Baa-Baa-Black-Sheep”…..let alone able to recite it.

Interesting.
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May 21, 2023 11:15am
- Ghost
  
  I’m sure kids still learn such things Maggie. They may of changed now
  
  The little tranny that could
  Spot the dog that identifies as a goldfish
  And the infamous usa nursery rhyme baa baa reparations please
  
  In New Zealand we are raising our children for their future with such songs as
  
  There’s a ram raider in my shop, my shop, there’s a ram raider in my shop, I shot him three times, now I’m in jail.
  
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  May 21, 2023 11:33am
  - Keith White
    
    Hickory dickory dock
    The mouse went up the clock.
    The clock struck one. The mouse went down, went to the ER, waited in the corridor for 40 hours, and died alone in a corner from head and pelvic trauma while the staff were overwhelmed. The coroner ascribed the root cause to colonialism.
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:46am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… A pre-schooler attendee rellie of ours at one these daycares, has to contend with discussion about diversity, environment and even sustainability.
  Plus pink shirt day, gay story readers, lots of wonderful maori language/songs etc.
  Parents will be swapping out very soon.
  It is too much for a 3 yo. to manage let alone (some of) the parents.
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Of course we can’t teach children Baa, Baa, Black sheep….
  
  It will alert them to the fact that no matter how hard they work, some other folks are going to fleece them of their produce.
  
  Baa Baa Black Sheep is about the medieval wool tax, imposed in the 13th Century by King Edward I. Under the new rules, a third of the cost of a sack of wool went to him, another went to the church and the last to the farmer.
  
  https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20150610-the-dark-side-of-nursery-rhymes#:
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not only that Maggz, I now find where “Baa-Baa-Black-Sheep” has been banned in Kindys anyway because it’s….. RACIST!
    
    http://dailym.ai/1CsvJu2
    
    SHEESH!!!!
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:29pm
Ghost

The best way I can think of to slash emissions is to close parliament and stop all the pollution coming out of there

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins will shortly speak to media after making a major announcement to slash greenhouse gas emissions from one of the country’s largest emitters.

The initiative is expected to involve funding from a Government fund established to support decarbonising industries, set up in 2020 but which received a $650 million boost in last year’s Budget.

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May 21, 2023 11:35am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m pretty sure that however much money we spend on slashing emissions will have absolutelyno effect on the climate, make all of our lives worse, and would be better spent on something useful, like educating people about the benefits of democracy, capitalism and free speech.
  
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  May 21, 2023 12:28pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Hmm, I read that NZ Steel have a deal such that “The supply of electricity required for the new furnace will also include a demand response arrangement in partnership with Contact Energy”.
  Does that mean Contact will be paying them to shut the furnace down when it’s cold and the wind isn’t blowing?
  Something I have trouble understanding is why these projects always make so much sense, but not unless the govt ‘invests’ in it.
  Would I be correct in assuming this is the sort of ‘investment’ where the taxpayer doesn’t expect a financial return on its investment?
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Interesting. NZ Steel already have a Demand Response contract, entered freely into with a private sector company.
    
    Why should the Government be mandating that NZ Steel work with Contact Energy?
    
    Surely this is interfering in the electricity market.
    
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    May 21, 2023 2:33pm
- Drone
  
  The deal announced by Hipkins is to subsidise new electric furnaces for NZ Steel. Here we go again, a grinning James Shaw smiling as the poor NZ taxpayer pours corporate welfare into NZ Steel. Yet another futile attempt to save the planet while politicians jet set around the world at our expense. Eventually we will be subjected to endless discussions between NZ Steel and whichever is their lucky electricity company (viz a viz Tiwai Point Rio Tinto) about how the electricity is too expensive and they need to be subsidised. Presumably, the Cook Strait cables and transmission networks will also have to be upgraded to supply the additional load these furnaces will require or maybe Megan Woods is planning a new nuclear power plant to coincide with the new electric furnaces being turned on. When will NZ politicians accept we (in NZ) cannot affect any change to global climate and that the optional $140 million that this planet-saving initiative is splurging on a private company would have been better spent on elective surgery lists at our major hospitals for knees, hips, and hernias.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:30pm
- Handyman
  
  The press release is fairly vague.
  This is not about anything to do with making steel. The steel making process is basically just using the C from coal to strip the O2 from Fe2O3 to leave Fe. It is the actual carbon they need from coal, not just the heat from burning it.
  
  This proposal is about using electricity to melt a giant vat of scrap steel into a liquid state for further shaping.
  In theory, the power will be turned off and on according to which windmills are turning at any one time. In practice electricity is fungible. Power diverted to the scrap heap at Glenbrook will be made up by burning coal at Huntly.
  
  Politically this is a good move. It is another poison pill for National if they get elected with all the credit being banked now by Labour.
  
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  May 21, 2023 3:19pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I am uneasy about government subsidizing industry.
    Government’s job is to set the scene where business can take place. If a business needs a subsidy let them go broke and an efficient person will step in.
    But a taxpayer subsidy to a foreign owned company makes me very very angry.
    
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    May 21, 2023 3:55pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yep. I’m a net taxpayer. I’d like my share of the $140m refunded to me.
      
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      May 21, 2023 6:24pm
  - Drone
    
    Hi @Handyman while you say “Politically this is a good move. It is another poison pill for National if they get elected with all the credit being banked now by Labour.” Labour has set aside slush funds that they can spend on any number of “save” the jobs projects that only one week after the budget when they could have announced this, they didn’t, we should be prepared for many more such bribes in the months leading up to the election.
    
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    May 21, 2023 5:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      this money was set aside, It’s the $5 billion they didn’t announce spending for that will be dripped out as bribes prior to the election
      
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      May 21, 2023 5:44pm
I remember when

The worst landlord:
Again the Labour government has made the rest of the population suffer so that they can look better.
Better a few uninfluential families suffering than the number of people living on the street and in cars statistics looking even worse.
It doesn’t matter what the consequences are for everyone else, as long as the government can protect their vote.
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May 21, 2023 11:42am
Jack5

For Kiwiblog followers in Southland …

If the fine old Invercargill-based department store group, H&J Smith’s, does indeed close, this North American idea might be added to potential use for some of its sites:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-65551793
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May 21, 2023 11:52am
I remember when

Is it time to start counting the number of cartons and media articles that criticize Christopher Luxon by inference rather, than any in depth analysis.
Should the Labour Party have to include the costs in their election figures.
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of research available from the Political Science departments of our universities.
Surely, in the interests of objectivity, their courses will be using such information.
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May 21, 2023 11:53am
Keith White

Oh, and ref Miami Vice – the latest edit of Crockett’s Theme can be found here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRW9EUOYQ-g

Better sound and color quality.
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May 21, 2023 11:56am
I remember when

Reports detail Fire & Emergency’s struggle with ageing truck fleet, posing real danger: NZ Herald 16, Dec, 2021.
Firefighters have been struggling with their big ladder hoses breaking down, posing a danger to them and to being able to put out a fire.
Fire and Emergency has an ageing fleet of large trucks that it has lacked an up-to-date replacement strategy for.
Internal FENZ reports released under OIA show major breakdown 3 times in 2021 and once in 2019 on the country’s 10 largest trucks (called Type 5 and 6 aerials).
The country’s 10 large trucks average 20 years of age: the 3 oldest are back-ups or ‘relief’ engines, but even the 7 active aerials average 15 years of age.
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May 21, 2023 12:07pm
- kowtow
  
  Yes but look at how much money is spent on race issues .
  
  How the NZ public puts up with this is a mystery to me.
  
  All those Teddy Bear shrines were indicative of a deep seated and very widespread superstitious belief in The Good Works That Certain Politicians Can Do.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:03pm
jon

Re the next One Kantar poll, which must be due any day now. Given Kantar’s method of polling is 50% opt in/panel and 50% mobile phone, it would be interesting to know the findings of party support in each of the two groups and how they compare, if only to prove that the opt in component doesnt carry an imbalance of leftist activists.
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May 21, 2023 12:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New York:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1616410328551080
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May 21, 2023 1:00pm
Ghost

So, why can’t the businesses pay for this

The Government has announced New Zealand’s largest single emissions reduction project, with a deal that will subsidise a new “electric arc” boiler for NZ Steel’s Glenbrook plant.

The three-way deal, between the Government, NZ Steel and Contact Energy to provide flexible and cheaper off-peak power to the steel giant, has been hailed by all three parties.

The new boiler – to which taxpayers are contributing up to $140 million through the Government Investment in Decarbonising Industry fund (GIDI), will dwarf the other Government projects.

The total cost is expected to be $300 million.

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May 21, 2023 1:04pm
- Ghost
  
  From earlier in the year
  
  New Zealand Steel’s holding company Tasman Steel increased its profit by 153% to a bumper $340 million in the year to June while receiving free carbon credits worth $117m from the Government, according to accounts filed with the Companies Office.
  
  Article
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When I was last at work early this year and last year, Glenbrook was not making much steel. All of the flats, rounds, and RHS was stopped and we has Australian steel.
    Glenbrook was reduced the plate and sheet steel. Unless something changed it was mostly Australian owned. NZ Steel was just faintly involved.
    Some steel was hard to get so every increasing prices, like 13% a month. Hard to cost a job and make a profit. One thing we would not accept is Chinese steel. Too brittle and not enough new product put in with recycled stuff.
    Any welder worth his salt could tell Chinese steel in the first lay.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add to that. Welding Chinse steel to other steel was also an issue. Although brittle, the Chinese steel seemed to have a lower melting point – so welds undercut. That is just not acceptable when I am making a product, I do a WOF test and it goes out on the road.
      
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      May 21, 2023 5:17pm
- rouppe
  
  My concern is that it’s another demand on the electricity supply, but there’s nothing on making sure there is enough reliable electricity in the first place.
  
  There’s no data on how many MW hours this arc boiler consumes
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:32pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Ev sales by the gazillion and adding big commercial demand. Somethings gonna give.
    
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    May 21, 2023 1:58pm
- rouppe
  
  Another clue…
  
  “The plan means New Zealand businesses will have access to locally produced, cleaner steel, and high value jobs are protected that otherwise might have gone offshore.”
  
  In other words, taking a leaf from the Tiwai Point playbook, they threatened to withdraw from nz back to Australia where emissions doesn’t seem to be as big a deal.
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:43pm
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    ““The plan means New Zealand businesses will have access to locally produced, cleaner steel, and high value jobs are protected that otherwise might have gone offshore.””
    
    The New Zealand Government goes insane about Canadian dairy subsidies. Now substitute the steel for cows. This from the Canadian Government….
    
    “”“The plan means Canadian consumers will have access to locally produced dairy products, and high value jobs are protected that otherwise might have gone offshore.””
    
    It is utterly insane.
    
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    May 21, 2023 2:01pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Ghost,
  The reason being that the carbon price in the ETS is not high enough to make this sort of emission reducing technology worth while. The carbon price would need to be over $200 per tonne compared to the current $60 per tonne.
  It is the same issue with the clean car incentive. In theory you could use the ETS to provide the incentive. At current carbon prices the ETS on petrol is about 20 cents per litre. Not really enough to change consumer behaviour. I reckon the ETS component would need to $1.00 per litre to have that effect. However that would imply a carbon price of about $250 per tonne. That level of carbon price is not really viable, certainly not yet. Way too big a shock to the economy.
  As some here will know, I think National is wrong to oppose the clean car discount. Also their opposition to the incentives to change from coal to electric boilers. If National also opposes this, it is going to be hard for National to say that they are serious about climate change.
  As the above examples show, the ETS does not have a high enough carbon price to incentivise changes in industrial and transportation technologies. It is high enough to incentivise increases in forestry, but National is also opposed to that.
  National says they will soon release their climate change policies. In my view they need to be substantially more serious than they currently appear to be on this area of policy.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:48pm
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    You are simply beyond reasoning with.
    
    You are right. The Treasury is wrong. So is the New Zealand Initiative and I’d wager 98 percent of the economists in New Zealand.
    
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    May 21, 2023 3:40pm
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    “National says they will soon release their climate change policies. In my view they need to be substantially more serious than they currently appear to be on this area of policy.”
    
    A “serious” policy would be to choose an emissions reduction target consistent with a gradually ramping New Zealand Unit price over the next 30 years. Calibrate the quantity of New Zealand Units to those targets. Abandon “net zero”. Abolish evert “climate change policy” except for the ETS. Return all ETS revenues to consumers, with corresponding reductions in other taxes. Compensate poor people if society judges that is appropriate.
    
    Abandon charges on New Zealand agricultural emissions until there is any cost effective technologies that would make a material difference.
    
    Set and forget.
    
    Stop talking about climate change policies.
    
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    May 21, 2023 3:44pm
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    “the ETS does not have a high enough carbon price to incentivise changes in industrial and transportation technologies. ”
    
    The ETS has a binding cap equal to our international commitments to 2030. That is why we have the damn thing. The price of New Zealand Units needs to be “high enough” to allow us to meet the target that has been calibrated in the ETS.
    
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    May 21, 2023 3:46pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Kumbukani,
      You have just said you oppose Net zero 2050. In fact you think National should not even talk about climate change. In common with many regular contributors on KB.
      A gradual increase over 30 years in the ETS carbon price (if that is the only policy) has no hope of getting NZ to Net Zero by 2050.
      There will be at least 3 different governments between now and 2050. If a particular government fails to act during their term in office (typically 6 to 9 years) then it loads the issue into the next government.
      Virtually all scientific evidence shows that climate change is already having adverse effects and that we are already paying the price in requiring more investment infrastructure. Most New Zealanders accept this. A major political party like National simply can’t ignore it.
      If they take that approach they will seriously jeapodise their chances of forming the government.
      The political advice here seems to be that National should try and out flank Act on this issue. But these voters are already voting for the Right. Outflanking Act (or having a virtually identical policy) is not a way to win the centre, a significant number of whom are concerned about climate change and think government has to act in this area. They are not just sheeple. They seen enough events already and heard from enough scientists to think government action needs to be taken.
      
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      May 21, 2023 4:55pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        Wayne, you’ve swallowed the kool aid. Mark my words for future reference, the money being thrown at climate change for no good reason will be condemned by history.
        
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        May 21, 2023 5:54pm
      - Gadisa Wahid Lewandowski
        
        Look unlike you I have lived and breathed climate change policy for 20 years. You don’t know what you are talking about.
        
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        May 21, 2023 5:57pm
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        “you’ve swallowed the kool aid.”
        
        Like a bloody swimming pool of the stuff 🙁
        
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        May 21, 2023 6:24pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        “Virtually all scientific evidence shows that climate change is already having adverse effects”
        Nonsense. Attributing weather events to “climate change” of the human-caused variety is not easy.
        In AR5 we’re told that they have medium confidence that we’re having some sort of influence on rainfall in some regions. That’s a far cry from the absolutely massive claim that “virtually all scientific evidence…”
        In fact, in many cases we find that the dire predictions of climate ‘experts’ aren’t matched by observational data. E.g crop yields aren’t collapsing. Cyclone size/frequency isn’t getting worse, snowfall extent is growing, the Himalayan glaciers aren’t disappearing, the dams in Australia did actually fill again.
        You would have been closer to the truth if you had used the word ‘no’ instead of ‘all’.
        Oh, and just because the public might think they see climate change all around them doesn’t mean they’re correct – it just means they watch too much One News. The scientists they need to hear from don’t appear on that show.
        
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        May 21, 2023 6:37pm
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    “The reason being that the carbon price in the ETS is not high enough to make this sort of emission reducing technology worth while.”
    
    That is not a flaw in the ETS. It is the ETS working exactly as it is designed.
    
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    May 21, 2023 6:23pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Come on Wayne, front and Centre, you are a Socialist without a lot of creds on Economics.
    
    Oh and you have been indoctrinated by the Climate catastrophe mob
    
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    May 21, 2023 11:58pm
- Ghost
  
  Good to see someone from national gets it
  
  But the announcement didn’t go down well with the National Party, with leader Christopher Luxon saying the Government’s “got it all wrong”.
  
  “I thought that announcement was outrageous, actually, because it just says to me that this is a Government that’s got its priorities all wrong,” he told reporters on Sunday afternoon.
  
  “Just this week, this Budget couldn’t find money to actually help support Kiwis going through a tough cost of living crisis. But all of a sudden they can find $140 million as a subsidy paid for by Kiwi taxpayers and give it to a large foreign, multinational, profitable company.”
  
  Luxon said he was on the side of “Kiwi battlers” who he believed shouldn’t have to use their taxpayer money to subsidise the furnace for a profitable company.
  
  “We really applaud what NZ Steel is doing here. I’ve gone and met with the CEO and the management teams and saw the site myself last year. I really like the direction of where they’re going, but they are quite capable of stomaching and fronting up that $140 million themselves to get that transition away,” he said.
  
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  May 21, 2023 6:06pm
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    Luxon still does not nail the argument. But thank the Lord he did not support it. Probably the most idiotic economic policy announcement since ceasing oil and gas exploration. Damn clown car show.
    
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    May 21, 2023 6:27pm
Prince

I see over the weekend there have been more floods in Auckland, and now the Central North Island.
No doubt State Insurance, having increased my premiums by 48% in two years, are preparing more hikes based on ‘Wellington’s risk of a big earthquake’.
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May 21, 2023 1:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Prince, a good reason to choose your insurers wisely, not Aussie based ones which have most of the market exposure.
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:25pm
- MCōs
  
  If you think that’s unfair stop whining and change insurers.
  That’ll show them!
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyway, from my Facebook:

Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and Jacinda Ardern all die and wind up in Hell.
While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. The Devil tells them it’s for calling back to Earth.
So Putin calls Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he’s finished the Devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a cheque.
Next, Donald Trump calls the U.S. and talks for 30 minutes. When he’s finished the Devil informs him that the cost is 6 million dollars, so Trump writes him a cheque.
Finally, Jacinda has her turn and calls New Zealand for 4 hours. When she’s finished, the Devil informs her that there would be “No Charge” and to feel free to call New Zealand anytime.
Putin and Trump go ballistic and ask the Devil why Jacinda got to call New Zealand for free.
The Devil replied : “Since Jacinda Ardern became Prime Minister of New Zealand, the country has gone to Hell, so it’s a local call.
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May 21, 2023 1:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is a winner. Who will try it in NZ?

https://www.facebook.com/MiniMocksCC/videos/369995140525920/
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May 21, 2023 1:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bugger, it has no sound. Mod can remove if you wish.
  
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  May 21, 2023 1:48pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!! 😀 😀 😀
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tauranga-event-last-night-was-packed-out/
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May 21, 2023 1:51pm
Kumbukani Obi

So the Government is going to pay New Zealand Steel $140 million to reduce its emissions, a project which will cost $300 million.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132102525/live-government-announces-massive-emissionscutting-deal-with-nz-steel-contact-energy

That will reduce emissions by 800,000 tones – a cost of $375 per tone. The price of New Zealand Units on the ETS is $50. If installing a $300 million electric arc furnace was the cheapest way for New Zealand Steel to meet its ETS obligations they would do so. However that clearly is not the case. It only makes sense if the Government hands over $140 million.

The New Zealand Government screams the house down about the EU and Canada subsidising dairy farmers. Yet here we are handing over $140 million to a private company to change a production process for which there is no viable business case.

It will be interesting to see the Treasury advice on this boondoggle.
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May 21, 2023 1:56pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “… handing over $140 million to a private ‘Australian’ company …. ” – that fixes it 🙂
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:13pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right KO the Aussies will be laughing all the way to the bank. This must almost be in the same class as Cullen’s panic buying of Kiwirail. Ironically some of their old rolling stock could end up in the melting pot as the plant moves to using scrap metal instead of iron sand. This fixation on emissions is gong to be a long term expense for NZ where there really no problem at all thanks to our efficient farming sector.
  
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  May 21, 2023 2:40pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/latin-america/300884863/volcanic-ash-from-popocatepetl-temporarily-shuts-down-mexico-city-airports
  In one fell swoop a Mexican mountain undoes all of NZ’s pathetic emissions savings for the next 100 years….
  
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  May 21, 2023 3:23pm
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  There are a number of links here for those interested in exploring rational climate change policy. Eric Crampton makes the Government look like babbling idiots.
  
  https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/media/media-release-no-need-for-wasteful-emissions-politice/
  
  “All climate change policies should be evaluated against this benchmark: what is the cost-per-tonne of cutting emissions by using the policy, and how does it compare to the cost of relying on the ETS instead?”
  
  This is compelling analysis. It illustrates the criminal damage of policies such as announced by the Government today. It is four years old but it has not aged.
  
  https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/switched-on-achieving-a-green-affordable-and-reliable-energy-future
  
  “SWITCHED ON! ACHIEVING A GREEN, AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE ENERGY FUTURE”
  
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  May 21, 2023 3:53pm
- Burtland
  
  $16M to Chelsea Sugar owned by Wilmar Sugar (Singapore) and Mackay Sugar (Aust)
  
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  May 21, 2023 4:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Um, there is coal less than 80km away and could be under Glenbrook’s feet.
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:52pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The Newshub headline says it will remove thousands of tonnes of pollution.
  This is bullshit.
  CO2 is not pollution.
  
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  May 21, 2023 6:44pm
  - Drone
    
    @Chris N they are saying pollution, but that will include a lot of other chemicals as a result of burning coal, Sulphur Dioxide, Nitrogen Oxides, and Carbon Dioxide many of which are bad for us.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:35am
- JJ56
  
  KO check out Eric Crampton’s comments. NZ Steel should be doing this under its own steam.
  
  The mistake you’ve made is the $140m buys 800,000t per year, so they are much cheaper than $375 per t, in fact they suggest $16.20. At a simple calculation this suggests they are assuming ongoing savings for 23 years.
  
  With the volatility in the price of carbon this is noise. NZ Steel mightn’t have done it this year, but it would have happened.
  
  On the other hand the hydrogen deal that spends $30m over 4 years to get 150,000t or $200 per t CO2 is really dopey. For that kind of money something else must have been cheaper.
  
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  May 21, 2023 8:29pm
Maggie Pie

We were just taking lunch and watching an interesting program on Aljaz about countries that still impose the ‘Death-Penalty’.

They had some wokester on from Amnesty-International who said the recorded number of Judicial Executions in the last year, had ‘skyrocketed’ to 883, the highest figure in 5 years.
He maintained…. “It’s mainly those from disadvantaged backgrounds that are disproportionately affected by this callous punishment.”

Amnesty are calling for a moratorium on executions, saying they hope this abhorrent punishment will be relegated to the dustbin of history. They will continue to campaign until the death penalty is abolished across the globe.

He was interviewed for nearly 18 minits…yet never ONCE mentioned the victims of the terrible crimes that were committed.
As my partner commented….it’s no wonder this country is in the state it’s in 🙁
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May 21, 2023 2:03pm
- MCōs
  
  King Henry VIII, a fellow Catholic for a time, was certainly in favour of the death penalty.
  He had Cromwell beheaded for treason, although more likely because he’d arranged his marriage to Anne of Cleves, a complete disaster on both parts.
  At the same time several priests were burnt alive for disagreeing with church doctrine.
  I wonder how many of present day executions are carried out for similar ‘crimes’.
  Who’s to decide who will live and who will die?
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:30pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Henry had sent envoys around Europe looking for a new missus. Reports from Cleve about Anne were v good so he sent Hans Holbein the court painter to paint her portrait.
    
    Henry saw it and liked it and after negotiations sent an envoy as his proxy and Henry and Anne were married.
    
    She then went to England and when Henry clapped eyes on her he described her as “a Flemish Mare”.
    
    Hans did a runner!!!
    
    Anne and Henry were divorced, he set her up in a house and with a pension. They actually remained good friends.
    
    He then married Katherine Howard (he married 3 Catherines) and she was a little harpy and lost her head along with a few of her boyfriends.
    
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    May 21, 2023 5:44pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Divorced, beheaded, died
      Divorced, beheaded, survived
      
      3 Catherines (sp. var.), 2 Annes, 1 Jane
      
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      May 21, 2023 6:29pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Cromwell? I think you mean Thomas Moore?
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:08am
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s interesting reading the sob stories coming out about the Loafers Lodge fire. The focus is on the disadvantaged who lived there, how unfair the absence of sprinklers was etc.

You just know that the MSM are desperately disappointed that it looks like being arson rather than faulty wiring or some such – an inconvenient fact that destroys their narrative.

Also missing from recent stories is that a number of people from the neighbouring hospital lived there – whether as a cheap, local crash pad, or while waiting for family to arrive from overseas – who knows. Again, having decent people living there destroys the unfairness narrative.

From what I can see, the Lodge seems to have been a reasonably priced, basic accommodation service; one that is needed by many. Not big rooms, not fancy, but adequate; all up to date with its fire safety & other regulatory requirements. The alternative for some occupants would have been kipping under a bridge somewhere.

The fact is that there’s a demand for accommodation like this, and we should be grateful that a private citizen provides it. Perhaps the owner should be nominated for a Kings Birthday honour.
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May 21, 2023 2:47pm
- artemisia
  
  Loafers Lodge fire compliance systems were inspected monthly at least by Independent Qualified Persons as required by the BWOF. While not required to have sprinklers it did have a dry riser system in place for firefighters.
  
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  May 21, 2023 4:13pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Has anyone thought of the possibility that the 10 people unaccounted for might be over stayers not wanting to be found?
    
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    May 21, 2023 4:52pm
  - peterwn
    
    Presumably the Police will be investigating whether the fire alarm system was tampered with. There was mention of previous false alarms (causing residents to be unresponsive to alarms) and some claim that the alarm system did not go off when there was the fire. A sprinkler system is not immune to tampering by a determined arsonist.
    
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    May 21, 2023 7:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      Residents have said the fire alarm went off and a journalist has said it was going off while the fire crew were fighting the fire
      
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      May 21, 2023 8:10pm
- trout
  
  Talking about King’s Birthday honours do you reckon Mallard and Goff get gongs. Mallard’s bully boy reputation and Goff’s ignorance of Maori protocal would count against them but the Labour party looks after its loyal servants.
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    The focus will be on sir Cindy.
    
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    May 21, 2023 5:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, one each, on the head….
    
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    May 21, 2023 5:55pm
Maggie Pie

WOW! Just out in the kitchen opening a wine.
Don’t know if I heard it correctly or not…..but did SkyNews just announce Chippie is taking every car off the road in Christchurch?
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May 21, 2023 5:14pm
- Ghost
  
  Put the wine bottle down, you’ve had enough to drink today.
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:25pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Maybe a new EV bike for everyone in ChCh? Sweeet. For a few.
  
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  May 21, 2023 5:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ACC will not cover them – ever.//
    
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    May 21, 2023 5:56pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Lead by example, Chris. Close every parking garage rented by public agency head offices in Wellington. And that of Parliament also. Sell the BMWs & Audis, sack the Ministerial chauffeurs. Issue every MP with a bicycle, an electric bike for the fat, elderly or infirm MPs.
    
    Not going to do it, are you, Chris?
    
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    May 21, 2023 6:45pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Just give every MP a bus chit.
      
      More people using public transport is critical to reducing our climate emissions and to increasing our wellbeing,” Climate Change Minister James Shaw said.
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/targeting-transport-costs-free-public-transport-children
      
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      May 21, 2023 7:19pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        Quick question, how many Green MPs take the train from Wellington to Auckland every time they travel. Answer, none they are all massive fucking hypocrites. And there is the koru lounge buffet to hover up.
        
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        May 21, 2023 10:32pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The emission reduction by building this electric furnace at Glenbrook is the equivalent of taking every car off the road in ChCh.
  
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  May 21, 2023 6:15pm
Keith White

“New Zealand had 2,169 excess deaths in 2021 and then 5,286 excess deaths by week 49 of 2022.

“Compare this to 2020, when no excess deaths were suffered and 160 fewer deaths were actually recorded than expected – which was *at the height* of the Covid pandemic and **prior** to the rollout of the Covid injections.

“In short, New Zealand had a 3,404% increase in excess deaths in 49 weeks throughout 2022 compared to 53 weeks throughout 2020.

‘Safe and effective’?
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May 21, 2023 7:11pm
kevn

@Maggie… Relax, it is just a james shaw moment in the media.
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May 21, 2023 7:27pm
Surely Knott

The Herald story sounds fishy?

Academic comes over from Australia to promote her book and take part in the writers festival in a panel event called Yellow Peril where they talk about racism to Asian people. And lo and behold she arrives in Auckland goes out to a noodle house (that they don’t want to name) and someone walks in and is racist.

She is eating noodles and someone walks into the Chinese restaurant and says “A good Asian is a contradiction in terms’.””

WTF? What a weird thing to say. Was he a customer and just randomly comes in to a Chinese Restaurant and makes an announcement to everyone that he doesn’t like Asian people in a very formal language to the restaurant. Did he then sit down and stay for a meal. It makes no sense.

My husband thinks maybe the person was walking past choosing a restaurant and was talking about food and said “Good asian (food) is a contradiction in terms” At least that would make a little more contextual sense. Although he would be wrong as Asian food is some of the best.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/writer-louisa-lim-left-shocked-and-upset-after-being-racially-harassed-in-auckland-restuarant/4U2JD56GN5GEJB4BCUAP3LJAN4/
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- Ghost
  
  I had a great doctor when I lived in Auckland that moved to New Zealand in the 70’s, and still they faced constant racism and told to go home to China.
  
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  May 21, 2023 9:38pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    I don’t deny racism happens towards Asian people and I have heard similar. But I think this ladies particular story is unusual. Someone just walked into a restaurant and said, “A good Asian is a contradiction in terms” ?? That’s a very weird thing to say and do and doesn’t make sense.
    
    When she complained and said she was offende another intoxicated person from a different group said she should F off back to Australia. Not china.
    
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    May 21, 2023 10:58pm
    - Ghost
      
      Strange, how did they know she was from Aussie. That does sound like a set up
      
      Sadly after reading your post I went to look for the story on my doctors wife, she was in the media years ago people leaving dead birds and racist letters in her letter box, saw she had passed away two years ago. Lovely lady.
      
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      May 21, 2023 11:26pm
- tavita
  
  I’ve read many times about racism aimed at asians so i was a little worried bringing my partner to New Zealand but so far she has only experienced friendly helpful people. I suspect racism is largely in the eye of the beholder. If you are expecting it, you see it.
  
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  May 21, 2023 10:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I read that story last night, it’s a complete fabrication. I have no doubt of that. The woman is guilty of inciting racism. Moron.
  
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  May 22, 2023 6:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    At least it’ll give Meng-the-Merciless something to do this week.
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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