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October 17, 2023 1:50pm by David Farrar

Shame on Auckland Museum

The (NZ) Holocaust Foundation released:

Shameful is the most polite word one could use.

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David Garrett

What was even worse IMO was the groveling nature of the apology they issued: for “hurt and distress caused”. Everyone is “hurt and distressed” by fuck all these days – remember the letter by “the Listener Seven” rejecting so called “Maori science”? According to people like the pink haired obese former celebrity the letter caused “untold hurt and harm”

The lighting of the museum was entirely appropriate…and I feel I should at the same time record that I am by no means a blind supporter of everything Israel does. On this occasion however they were very clearly not the ones who started the violence. But I’m betting they will be the ones to finish it.
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October 17, 2023 1:59pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Well said DG. Ive been told recently that, as we work for a number of public sector clients, having an opinion is a dangerous thing.
  
  Id never express anything in terms of a leaning left or right, no one elses business but mine – but if Im asked (and all credit to Ricky G for this) what a woman is, the answer is simple – its one of the old fashioned ones, with a womb and no (toned down) “gentlemens area”.
  
  As he also said, who would have thought 10 years ago that saying something like “a woman doesnt have a penis” would get you in so much trouble.
  
  I see the defeated PM has come out and confirmed, for the record, that his partner Tony/Toni is a woman. And how does he then define that? Will the media ask?
  
  Thought not.
  
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  October 17, 2023 2:07pm
  - David Garrett
    
    hmmno: thankfully as the proprietor of Garrett & Associates I can say pretty much whatever I want to.
    
    I seriously wish I could afford not to do business with firms in New Zealand who have their middle aged plus partners telling me what their fucking pronouns are. How utterly demeaning
    
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    October 17, 2023 2:13pm
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Yup, same. I was asked to include two things in my email address – my pronouns and the Māori translation of my title within my organisation. They of course assumed that on account of me being part Māori, I wouldn’t object.
      
      I was reminded of those signs in pubs – “don’t ask for credit as refusal may offend”.
      
      I didn’t decline, I just didn’t bother. I leave that shit to the hand wringers.
      
      I have a friend who includes his pronouns on his email and business cards because he doesn’t give a shit – they are (and god I love this) (Bro/Mate).
      
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      October 17, 2023 2:37pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Hmmo: Well done your mate!
        
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        October 17, 2023 2:53pm
      - JJ56
        
        Me/Mine
        
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        October 17, 2023 6:28pm
    - Dave Winefield
      
      Well said David, and at 80, I can decide not to do business with them, and I do not. The Museum and its management are a bunch of lightweights, and deserve a severe thrashing from who so ever is responsible for the Governance.
      
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      October 17, 2023 2:43pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      In the course of my business I get emails from young, freshly graduated, very white middle class professionals who sign off with a “nga mihi” and their pronouns. I always feel a little sick in my mouth when I see it.
      
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      October 17, 2023 6:52pm
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Our Head Office in Aussie has just been dumped into this issue. One of their staff has decided he’s going to transition.
    It came to their attention as a H&S issue when a woman felt unsafe with a man using the ladies loo. (This person still looks male and still has male parts)
    So they had to re-designate one of the loos as unisex.
    When this was announced at the board meeting, we all just looked sideways at each other. No other comments were made. But afterwards, it was interesting to hear the down-to-earth Aussies speak their minds off the record.
    Oh, and they’re going to have to write another section into their H&S manual to accommodate this topic.
    
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    October 17, 2023 2:38pm
    - rouppe
      
      One of the formerly female bathrooms in my office was designated “gender neutral”.
      
      It’s two levels down, so I don’t use it often but always gives me a start to see a woman walking out as I walk in.
      
      Stuff them, you reap what you sow
      
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      October 17, 2023 5:48pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Why one of the female bathrooms? Given that at any public performance, during a break, the queues for the female toilets are so much longer than those for the male toilets, I would have thought the obvious candidate for conversion to unisex would be one of the male toilets.
        
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        October 18, 2023 7:49am
    - ISeeRed
      
      we all just looked sideways at each other. No other comments were made
      
      Isn’t that the problem? Isn’t this why we keep sliding down the slippery slope of shit?
      
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      October 17, 2023 6:59pm
  - Lara
    
    Good point!
    
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    October 17, 2023 2:40pm
  - kowtow
    
    Can’t find it but recently in the UK press there was an item about trans “women” and rape and delays bringing cases to court because in UK rape can only be committed by penetration by penis .
    
    But as offenders are telling the Cops they’re “women” the Cops send the files off to Crown Prosecution for approval.
    
    Fine , but the article went on to state that there have been cases of rape by so called trans women ( cocks in frocks) where in court the Crown prosecutor has actually said , “she raped the victim with her penis”.
    
    You can’t make this stuff up.
    
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    October 17, 2023 3:40pm
- Lara
  
  How can anyone think that cutting babies’ heads off is OK?
  
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  October 17, 2023 2:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hamas and their supporters do.
    
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    October 17, 2023 3:12pm
    - G152
      
      Then scream their heads off when Israel hits back.
      Remember it was the hamas who ran Gaza who invaded Israel and committed what can be only explained as war crimes
      The TV channel Aljazeera is so biased
      
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      October 18, 2023 8:14am
  - ScrubOne
    
    Their claim is that that part didn’t happen. Somehow.
    
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    October 17, 2023 3:30pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Well, their own live stream videos suggest otherwise. I clicked on one (from a source I won’t link to) and immediately regretted it. So Auckland Museum is regretful for lighting up in Israeli colours? Is Auckland Museum joyful at the horrors perpetrated by Hamas? I’m thinking they are.
      
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      October 17, 2023 10:49pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Some simple research will show that the claim that Babies heads were cut of was made up by an Israeli stirrer from the settlements.
    
    Even Jo Biden has walked back his claim. I have seen videos of decapitated babies. As usual Bumbling Joe just made it up.
    White house confirms that the President and officialas had not seen such videos.
    
    With MSM quoting fact checkers all the time. They dont!!
    In my experience they prefer to rush to print/air to get a headline.
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:27pm
    - RichardF
      
      On an Israeli news site I read accounts from first responders. The most brutal ones were the families tied together and burned alive. A group of ten kids tied together and burned, their parents in another group tied up and burned. However the most distressing thing was the pregnant woman who had her child cut from her womb and stabbed, the mother executed- the first responder said it did bear thinking about what the sequence of events were. Maybe they’re making this up. But let me ask you this; why couldn’t it happen? A bunch of murderous terrorists who hate jews and want to destroy Isreal. Why wouldn’t they do these vile acts?
      
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      October 17, 2023 5:33pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Yeah. It makes the world of difference of 1200 innocent civilians were humanely and painlessly executed instead. /sarc
      
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      October 17, 2023 7:02pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Was that along the lines of the babies thrown out of the incubators in Kuwait?
      
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      October 17, 2023 9:07pm
- Che Guava
  
  “What was even worse IMO was the groveling nature of the apology they issued: for “hurt and distress caused”. Everyone is “hurt and distressed” by fuck all these days”
  
  I agree. But then again, you’ve got this stark double-standard that keeps rearing its head, to which a lot of commenters seem unaware. That is, aren’t the Jews themselves claiming “hurt and distress” caused by these recent protests against their polices in Israel, and more generally, by almost any criticism of them, no matter how valid, and then calling for apologies?
  
  What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, surely.
  
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  October 17, 2023 2:42pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Che
    I agree with you.
    It has got to the point that even discussing history that involved jews requires a condition that jews can never be viewed in a negative light no matter the evidence or the context.
    Who else gets that privilege?
    Nobody.
    The current situation is bad for the civilians involved on both sides and every death is unacceptable, that is why the motives of both sides should remain open to unencumbered interrogation.
    
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    October 17, 2023 3:03pm
    - Che Guava
      
      When someone, whoever they are, claims that they are 100% in the right 100% of the time (or close to it), and is now and has always only ever been the victim of someone else’s posited pathologies, and nothing negative is ever attributable to themselves, this naturally invites deep scepticism. Of course, such claims can never survive serious analysis, which is why serious analysis is so frowned upon and discouraged.
      
      It’s disappointing that people who probably consider themselves to be free thinkers capable of critical thought act like Pavlov’s dogs whenever a topic like Israel/Palestine is mentioned, and even start calling for slaughtering civilians as “the other” with righteous fervour. I’ve never called for mass killings, and I’m considered the bad guy here?
      
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      October 17, 2023 3:37pm
      - greenjacket
        
        Che the resident anti-Semite: “ I’ve never called for mass killings, and I’m considered the bad guy here?”
        
        Because Che is an apologist for terrorists and has a history of making anti-Jewish remarks under the guise of “Why is it Jews are the problem?”
        
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        October 17, 2023 4:09pm
      - surfing
        
        “I’ve never called for mass killings, and I’m considered the bad guy here?”
        
        I don’t know, maybe you are supporting the mass killings. Your writing is so sloppy and vague it could be interpreted that way .
        
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        October 17, 2023 4:56pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @Che Guava, let’s hear your solution for the state brainwashing of the “Palestinians” and other Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East from birth to want all the Jews dead. How does Israel combat that so it can just be left the fuck alone. Tip: look at a map of the region, and see how small the Jewish state is compared to all the Arab and Muslim states before you suggest giving up even more of its tiny land footprint. No more whataboutism, moral equivalence, endless equivocating. Actual, actionable, permanent solutions to prevent Holocaust 2.0.
        
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        October 17, 2023 7:12pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “Actual, actionable, permanent solutions to prevent Holocaust 2.0.”
        
        Perhaps a good way would be to get out of and stop colonising Palestine. The No. 1 reason the locals hate the Israelis is because they have ethnically cleansed the area to make way for the State of Israel. It’s pretty disingenuous to pretend that the antipathy towards the Jews from the Muslims is irrational. Religion feeds into it, but the Muslims didn’t head to Eastern Europe to kill Jews before the latter started moving into Palestine, which you’d expect if the motivation was purely religious. The Israelis cite religion because it distracts from the real cause, which is displacement of people from their land. The Israelis have really made their own bed here.
        
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        October 17, 2023 8:25pm
      - Lenticular
        
        “Religion feeds into it, but the Muslims didn’t head to Eastern Europe to kill Jews”
        
        Hamas does call for the death of all Jews worldwide, not just Israelis, and have done in their charter since the 1980s.
        
        And there is the matter of Muslim hostility to Jews and Christians everywhere they have had contact; was the Muslim treatment of the Armenians and various Southern Slavs justified too?
        
        And if not, then is there not a pattern that Muslim societies do indeed target other religious groups that come into contact with them regardless of the justification for doing so?
        
        FWIW, I actually don’t think our buildings should do this whole lighting up to show sympathy any cause, unless it directly and severely affects a large number of NZers. So you’re right there.
        
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        October 17, 2023 9:00pm
    - greenjacket
      
      Why is it apologists always revert to “both sides”?
      
      I accept that one can consider Israeli methods to be counter-productive or even brutal. But it takes a particular kind of useful idiot to equate Israel with terrorists who behead children, massacre families, rape women and take babies hostage.
      
      It is no different to Nazi sympathisers who equate the WW2 Allied bombing offensive with the holocaust.
      
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      October 17, 2023 4:03pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Babies were not beheaded. FACTCHECK
        
        But at least 20 babies were blown to bits by Aerial bombardment (ie Bombs dropped on Civilians)
        
        Families were wiped out by the same bombings.
        
        Etc etc.
        
        I have always tried to look at both sides of any conflict. Starting with Vietnam(I served during that conflict)
        Every conflict I have encountered since then has had one side accusing the other of atrocities.
        
        BAD SHIT is done by both sides and both sides hold a self righteous view that what they did was the right thing to do.
        
        Its interesting that “”European”” wars get headlines and total coverage by western media.
        
        Almost buggar all MSM coverage on conflicts in Africa and Sth America and Asia. Read anything about Myanmar recently? or Syria or Yemen or Haiti or or or!!!!
        
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        October 17, 2023 4:39pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        If I was sympathetic to only one side would it be easier for you?
        Sometimes the bell doesn’t mean dinnertime .
        
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        October 17, 2023 5:01pm
      - rouppe
        
        Fact check where? Al Jazeera?
        
        That’s impartial. Not.
        
        The best that can be said is that the details of what happened are very opaque
        
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        October 17, 2023 6:02pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Who else gets that privilege?
      
      Maoris.
      
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      October 17, 2023 6:55pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        John
        If we were all in the same room we would probably recognise each other as decent peaceful humanists.
        I don’t believe anyone on this site means harm to anyone else. We all would love peace and happiness .
        I think what is happening is that there is a perception of total agreement or total disagreement and nothing in between .
        A partialy correct argument is a valuable start to a discussion that might get somewhere but there needs to be an ability to disagree with the majority.
        
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        October 17, 2023 8:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘ themselves claiming “hurt and distress” caused by these recent protests ’
    
    Describing the slaughter as ‘recent protests’ is revisionism of the worst kind
    Excusing such evil behaviour because of your fetish for semantics is just disgraceful
    You really are a Jew hater
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:27pm
  - surfing
    
    You need to communicate more clearly, because what you wrote is confusing and nonsensical.
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:53pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/LossOfLandMapCard-1-1-1.png
    
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    October 17, 2023 5:00pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Chuckle. The funny thing is that I can see where you’re going with the effort to ask why Whites are the ones solely picked out for “oppression”, colonialisation”, etc, etc.
    
    Hell, I ask those questions too.
    
    But you’re just not subtle enough to pull it off. Sadly, as has often been the case for such people who try to speak up for Whites, you reveal yourself as a Jew-hater, pure and simple.
    
    Meh! I’ve been commenting here under my own name since 2007 and seen it all: whether it was “Reid” hammering away endlessly on the 9/11 attacks or “Kea”‘s constant insinuations on various issues, this shit never goes away.
    
    Funnily enough that’s held up as evidence, hence your jibe the other day: “Why do the Jews run into this wherever they go?”
    
    I’ll leave you to answer your unanswered question. Clearly it goes to the deepest hearts of humans.
    
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    October 17, 2023 6:52pm
  - Spoff
    
    History begins with the most recent injured Israel.
    Some of us have deeper memories however. Interview with Zionist Historian Benny Morris:
    “According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948?
    
    About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
    
    According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?
    
    Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved.
    
    The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion.
    
    That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.
    https://logosjournal.com/morris.htm
    
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    October 18, 2023 9:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have spent the last 6 years being “hurt and distressed”. 🙁
  
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  October 17, 2023 4:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Heh. “Shameful”.
  
  When the fuck is DPF and much of the Right Wing in NZ going to wake up and realise what the modern Left wing is and what it’s doing to NZ and the West?
  
  I am sick and tired of “Moderate Centre-Right” people indulging in shaming efforts like this.
  
  They’re not ashamed Don’t you get it? Guilt, shame, claims of hypocrisy and double standards are simply weapons that the Far Left (which increasingly means most of the “Left) wield as weapons against the Right – but which they couldn’t don’t a shit about.
  
  It’s Calvinball, and even that’s a nice metaphor for the bastards.
  
  These assholes need to have their careers destroyed. They need to be fired in such a way that they can only be employed as gimps. Nothing short of that will change this situation. At best, a massive public reaction might get them to reset their PR filters, but it won’t change their minds, and if left in place, they’ll just keep pushing their ideology and agenda.
  
  I despair if this portends 6, 9 or even 12 years of a National government.
  
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  October 17, 2023 6:37pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    This.
    
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    October 17, 2023 8:38pm
grumpy

Sack everyone. Board and Management. Clean out the vermin.
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October 17, 2023 2:00pm
sirknz

Never apologise to the wokerati. Once they sniff blood in the water, they will not stop, they will not be satisfied. They will demand more and more every time, kind of like paying the Vikings gold to not raid your village.
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October 17, 2023 2:07pm
- Che Guava
  
  Surely you can see the great irony that, while not absolutely or in every case of course, what can generically be categorised as “woke” has been brought to us by a disproportionately Jewish influence: Critical Race Theory, radical Marxist leftism generally, Feminism, civil rights movements for various racial and ethnic “minorities,” multiculturalism, transgenderism and so on, would never have had the influence, cut-through and ubiquity they have without the influence of Jewish intellectuals and/or activists who were proponents of the same.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:03pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Blah blah blah
    What a lot meaningless crap
    Copy that from a text book at Uni did you?
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:28pm
    - surfing
      
      I agree. I have no idea what Guava is talking about, and I suspect, neither do they. It is pure trolling.
      
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      October 17, 2023 4:59pm
      - Che Guava
        
        You have no idea what I’m talking about, mostly because knowing what I’m talking about undermines a particular view of the world that is false but necessary for maintaining the present order. For instance, they aren’t shouting their heavy involvement in the formation of the Soviet Union or in the other Marxist revolutions across Europe post WW1 from the rooftops, but this is all perfectly legitimate and completely verifiable.
        
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        October 17, 2023 6:20pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        It is pure trolling.
        
        Oh no. I can assure you that it is merely one example of a strong, if still fringe, strain of thought within the West – but you’d have to explore the farther reaches of the Interwebby to find it.
        
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        October 17, 2023 7:08pm
    - Che Guava
      
      This is all in the public domain. Google any of these movements or phenomena, and you will find a disproportionate Jewish presence. Facts don’t care about your feelings, as a man once said. Happy to help you out with all the links, but I understand there is a limit (?).
      
      I’ll give you a couple, though:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevism
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld
      
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      October 17, 2023 6:16pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Because many were Jewish! Yeah, yeah. Been dealing with that argument for forty years now. Apparently the concept of asking how intelligent people can fall down shitty lines of philosophy is dismissed.
        
        Was Mao Jewish? Or Pol Pot? Castro? Stalin? (we know Lenin was – wink 😉 ). Were they so stupid as to not know they were being manipulated? And by another race to boot, in the case of a couple of them.
        
        This is the mentality of Marama Davidson and Ricardo Menéndez and Ibram “X Kendi” and Robyn DeAngelo and countless other assholes when they apply it to White people?
        
        Don’t you get it yet “Che”.
        
        You’ve become a member of the Far Left, albeit focused on a different race. They’d be horrified to find you as their partner but nevertheless….
        
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        October 17, 2023 7:40pm
comm4nder

As someone who has donated to the museum (my name is carved in the marble wall in the entrance) I have already written to the COE who carried this out, expressing my disgust.
I urge others to do so.
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October 17, 2023 2:10pm
- David Garrett
  
  commander: Please publish the email of him/her – the CEO – so I can express my disapproval of his/her craven groveling to the mob.
  
  Or if you don’t want to publish the address here, send it to me at: [email protected]
  
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  October 17, 2023 2:57pm
  - comm4nder
    
    I called a Jewish friend who was involved in raising money for the restoration of the Museum, and she was embarrassed to say that she and her friends had emailed the CEO David Reeves congratulating him on the blue and white lights, only to find later his grovelling apology. Needless to say she had no reply to her email.
    According to her the email address that they used (and I subsequently used) was just the standard [email protected]. (Note .com, not .co.nz)
    https://www.facebook.com/AucklandMuseum is where you will see the apology.
    
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    October 17, 2023 6:57pm
Alex13

Kick the Palestinian barbarians’ sympathizers out of the country, preferably to northern Gaza.
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October 17, 2023 2:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ooohhhh they might get hurt there.
  Best they just piss NZ off.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:15pm
Che Guava

This whole affair is far from being black and white, and there are in fact many levels to it.

For instance, isn’t it strange that there are Holocaust museums dotted all across the Western world, with the obvious aim of making us all feel guilty and constantly enforcing and reinforcing a particular public perception of the Jewish people, despite none of us alive today having done anything to the Jews and none of the Jews alive having had anything done to them by us?

Nobody condones persecution or hateful attitudes towards groups of people, but it seems to me that this phenomenon is less about remembering how things were in the past than it is about justifying how things are in the present and how it is intended they shall be in the future. To me, it expresses a general antipathy towards European people and even a vengeful attitude against us.

You can see how there may be Holocaust museums in Israel, the Jewish state. But imagine the kind of attitude that leads to the establishment of these institutions all around the world, in places where the Jews weren’t persecuted by anyone and in fact where they were welcomed as refugees, that are designed to make the people in those places feel bad and to have sympathy for the Jewish people.

By contrast, are there any museums in Israel marking the many dark chapters in non-Jewish history? I stand to be corrected, but I can’t think of any.
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October 17, 2023 2:30pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  “Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”
  
  The Holocaust Museums exist to show just what kind of evil we as humans are capable of and why evil should be fought. It’s not some big crazy conspiracy.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:21pm
  - Che Guava
    
    On the surface that is the appearance, but scratch that surface and you’ll see that they exist to convince White people how bad they are and, in comparison, how noble and victimised Jews are in comparison. The result is that White people have to lower themselves and dare not criticise the Jewish people, cos the Holocaust and all that.
    
    Are there any Holocaust museums in Rwanda, for instance, site of a massive genocide only 30 years ago? Surely the Rwandans need reminding of history more than people of NZ, Australia, the US and Canada do, right?
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:22pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      So you don’t think it’s appropriate in Auckland *War Memorial* Museum, to remember what the 12000-ish NZ’ers that gave their lives in WW2 were fighting?
      
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      October 17, 2023 5:31pm
      - Lenticular
        
        I mostly agree, but OTOH you almost never see anything similar for e.g. the Armenian genocide, despite us fighting the Turks.
        
        (In fact, one of my pet peeves with Israel is their denial of the Armenian genocide to remain cosy with Turkey).
        
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        October 17, 2023 8:40pm
    - RichardF
      
      There are several museums in Rawanda dedicated to remebering the victims of genocide.
      
      https://kgm.rw/
      
      Of course the story of the 2 year old raped and then chopped in half probably didn’t happen according to your logic.
      
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      October 17, 2023 5:38pm
    - RRM
      
      Maybe the people of Rwanda should build one? It’s not Israel’s job to memorialize the Rwandan genocide.
      
      Israel punches back, hard, because they know the world will wring its hands and deliver speeches impotently at the UN while Muslims cut any number of Jewish heads off.
      
      They know they’re on their own, surrounded by people who have hated them and wanted to exterminate them since 1948, so they do whatever it takes to make sure their enemies die and they don’t.
      
      Naturally, wokes living in safety and comfort in the West find this upsetting.
      
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      October 17, 2023 5:57pm
    - Taieri
      
      The result is that White people
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      Ashkenazi Jews, who perished in the Holocaust were White people.
      
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      October 17, 2023 7:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m perplexed at the way the Holocaust is used as a life-time free pass from any need to consider evidence-based critiques of Israel’s actions. Criticism of Israel is oddly and very wrongly conflated with support for Israel’s enemies, and this is a planet-size logical fallacy.
  
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  October 17, 2023 4:01pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “I’m perplexed at the way the Holocaust is used as a life-time free pass from any need to consider evidence-based critiques of Israel’s actions.”
    
    I think you’ve cleared up your own perplexity. The modern world and the post WW2 global system needs the Holocaust to justify itself. It is anti-White, post-national and pro-mass immigration and diversity, all of which are presented as antidotes to what we are told is the constant spectre of anti-semitism.
    
    If Europeans have their own nations that have effective borders, and if they are proud of themselves as Europeans, then they will become Nazis (so the argument goes). Of course, it’s BS. By contrast, these things are presented as being moral necessities as they pertain the Israel.
    
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    October 17, 2023 4:11pm
  - RRM
    
    If it seems like a logical fallacy, that’s probably because you have the luxury of treating the matter as an academic argument, rather than a matter of life and death.
    
    Almost everyone in Israel rode a cattle wagon into the Nazi camps, or is a descendent of someone who did. Naturally that colours their ideas around playing nice vs playing to win.
    
    Israel punches back, hard, because they know the world will wring its hands, and deliver speeches at the UN, and put up temporary profile pictures, while Jihadis cut any number of Jewish heads off with knives.
    
    They know they’re on their own, surrounded by people who hate them and have tried to exterminate them continuously since 1948. So they do whatever it takes to make sure their enemies die and they don’t.
    
    Naturally, people living in safety and comfort in the West find this upsetting, and want to have a rights-based discussion about how the world should be, instead of a reality-based discussion about survival in a particularly brutal part of the world as it is.
    
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    October 17, 2023 6:08pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s a logical fallacy because of the way insulated westerners (like me) look on. Eugyppius wrote a typically well reasoned analysis of this recently. BTW I completely accept that being surrounded by generations of people who would drive every last Jew to extinction is a powerful and justifying rationale for most of their actions.
      
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      October 17, 2023 10:15pm
- greenjacket
  
  Weird how Che turns an item about Auckland Museum into holocaust denial and an odd obsession with Jews.
  
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  October 17, 2023 4:28pm
Cassandra

It amazes me that these idiots – the NZ woke – can support a whole lot of gay-murdering Moslems who only allow voting once. How do they reconcile that? Being a woman in Gaza must be real fun. Note the Hamas leadership is 50% women. Well, all the tea ladies are – that’s a start.
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October 17, 2023 2:33pm
LesleyNZ

The Beehive and Parliament Buildings should have shone immediately upon hearing what happened in Israel. The perception now is that the Auckland Museum has sided with Hamas and have given in to those who shout the loudest. Shame on those who turned off the lights. Last week I contacted the Auckland Museum, via Facebook Messenger asking “Hi – we did it for Ukraine but NZ doesn’t seem to care about what has happened in Israel. If you haven’t done it already how about Auckland Museum going blue and white for Israel. We need to something to show we care. Thanks. Cheers Lesley.” Same basic message to Sky Tower and Auckland Council. The reply from the Auckland Museum was “Kia ora Lesley, Thank you for your message regarding lighting Auckland Museum in response to the recent attacks on Israel. The Museum is shocked by these acts of terrorism and we condemn them. We receive many requests from worthy causes to light the Museum. We have a policy to only light the Museum in line with Council and Government activities, events and directives, as in the case with Ukraine. We have not received a formal request at this time. Ngā mihi.” Sky Tower said they would pass it on to their lighting team. Never heard back from Auckland Council. So pleased that the Auckland Museum lit up last weekend to remember those brutally murdered by evil Hamas terrorists, showing empathy towards our NZ Jewish community. Then the anti-Semitic lot came along and stopped the lights shining. They show such hatred towards Israel and the Jewish people. Did those protesters condemn Hamas? Who exactly were they?
At least the All Blacks did the right thing after a NZ born Israeli had just been confirmed killed by Hamas. The All Blacks specially acknowledged Adam Agmon as he loved our NZ All Blacks. Adam, his brother and father had had All Blacks silver fern tatooed on their legs and the brother and father watched the All Blacks match in remembrance of Adam. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-born-man-adam-agmon-killed-in-israel-hamas-conflict-reports/LSGAVELSFFGUVLV6R2M7HJ5ZUE/
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October 17, 2023 2:33pm
David George

Shameless capitulation by the Museum, especially when you think of the unqualified outpouring of support following the Christchurch terror attack – including from the Jewish community. Shame on the NZ Muslim ladies too for their non sympathy.

I’ve ordered an Israeli flag to go up on our fence. They’re available on Trade Me for those that would like to show their love and sympathy for the Israeli people at this terrible time.
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October 17, 2023 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Put up that Israeli flag and the Police will visit. Put up a Palestine flag and the Police will protect it.
  That is the way the woke roll these days.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:20pm
  - David George
    
    I doubt it Steve but all the more reason to put a flag up.
    
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    October 17, 2023 3:38pm
Chuck Bird

We are fortunate we do not have the numbers that Aussie does. Anyone who comes here on a visa should be asked in writing if they support Israel’s right to exist. If they show they have lied they should be deported. If that had been done we could deport some of the Green MPs
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October 17, 2023 2:45pm
double d

Genuinely perplexed at this decision by the museum. Why would expressing sympathy at the murders of innocents by terrorists cause offence? Is the offended group supporting these acts of terrorism?
Is the museum now saying they support the acts of terrorists and had this wrong? Will they remove holocaust displays?
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October 17, 2023 2:47pm
- Lance
  
  Probably that will be next.
  Remember the Arabs where Hitlers best buddies during WW2 because Adolph was exterminating the Jews. He was their kind of guy.
  
  Proof incase some halfwit tries to deny it.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
  https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hitlers-mufti
  
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  October 17, 2023 2:57pm
  - Spoff
    
    “An infamous document called the “Ankara Document” because it was found in the German Embassy in Ankara after the war, detailed Avraham Stern’s ideas “concerning the solution of the Jewish question in Europe.” It was dated Jan. 11, 1941. At the time, Stern was still a member of the Irgun, which he called by its initials, NMO. Wrote Stern: “The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish People, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries….The NMO…is well acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities toward Zionist activity inside Germany and toward Zionist emigration plans….The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements in Europe in its ideology and structure.”
    https://www.wrmea.org/2006-may-june/hamas-a-pale-image-of-the-jewish-irgun-and-lehi-gangs.html
    The document goes on to state: “Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognised on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany’s side.”
    
    During the Second World War about 12,000 Palestinians volunteered to serve in the British army. These volunteers participated actively in battles in North Africa and Europe. Many of them lost their lives, others were wounded and many are still missing.
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0968344517696527?journalCode=wiha
    
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    October 18, 2023 10:15am
- David Garrett
  
  double d: See my comment above. These days snowflakes and others get offended by anything – I wouldn’t be surprised if they are scared of thunder.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:06pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “These days snowflakes and others get offended by anything …”
    
    Indeed. I was discussing this with a friend the other day. I was prompted by a ‘trans man’ posting on social media that someone had “inflicted violence” on him/her because they were ‘mis-gendered’.
    
    80 years ago US marines were embarking from Wellington heading to Guadalcanal to eject the Japanese. Thousands would die on that island. Next to none shirked their duty or complained. It is like society is steadily regressing.
    
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    October 17, 2023 5:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In a few years statues will be pulled down and the Museum demolished.
  That is where we are headed girls and boys – unless we stop it.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:24pm
imalwaysright

Why are the people running a museum expressing a political view ?

It reminds me of vodafone supporting trannys of the antisocial type. Not conflating or making analogies , just saying that people who run organisations should not use said organisations to leverage their personal view.
Nobody gives a toss.
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October 17, 2023 2:48pm
Adolf Fiinkensein

Don’t worry.

Tonight the museum will be lit up in Hamas green.
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October 17, 2023 2:48pm
dutyfree

Why does an inanimate object ie the Museum need to express solidarity with anything other than providing value and services to ratepayers and public.
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October 17, 2023 2:49pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Fine. That can be the policy of every public building in New Zealand. No rainbow flags. No Maori flags. Good luck with that.
  
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  October 17, 2023 5:04pm
  - dutyfree
    
    I get down ticked for questioning why a museum has a position. You pipe up with a straw man argument which given how good your responses normally are I am surprised.
    
    People ram raid. Good luck to me stopping that. Are you saying I should join in?
    
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    October 17, 2023 5:55pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I do sometimes wonder why it is necessary to put a rainbow, Maori or whatever symbol or flag on a shop or library for people to “feel safe” going in there. Are there really that many people who feel unsafe in these spaces without these symbols?
    
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    October 18, 2023 8:08am
Lance

Various NZ entities show solidarity with Countries or groups when terrible times are upon them, like the Auckland Harbour Bridge, Sky City tower etc.
Except when it comes to Israel because screeching savages who celebrated 911 and the London bombings etc who behave in vile and obnoxious manners, complain their feelings are hurt when Israel is involved and use lefty tricks of name calling and social media to get their way.

True scum who I do not think share decent NZ standards and values.
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October 17, 2023 2:50pm
- dutyfree
  
  Solidarity. You mean virtue signaling, a sign of the woke. Who capitulate when they get their wokism wrong.
  
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  October 17, 2023 6:16pm
- Lenticular
  
  I can’t remember anyone ever lighting a building up for Armenia.
  
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  October 17, 2023 8:41pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I guess because it happened before we had the technology for lighting up buildings and during a World War, so I’m guessing lighting anything up at night wouldn’t have been a good idea anyway?
    
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    October 18, 2023 8:03am
KH

People are being murdered on both sides of that fence. So if we were actually unhappy about murder we would be bathing the museum in both Israeli and Palestinian flag colours.
It’s about the tragedy of these murders, but some here think it’s about picking sides.
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October 17, 2023 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The two don’t mix. That would cause more unhinged behaviour from the Palestine supporters.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:32pm
- greenjacket
  
  “Both sides” – apologists always run to “both sides”.
  Not aware Israel has raped women, massacred families in cold blood, paraded bodies and taken babies hostage.
  
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  October 17, 2023 4:33pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  No it is not a moral equivalence. The terrorists killed civilians. Chopped off the heads of babies. the IDF is going to invade Gaza to wipe out Hamas. Hamas embeds terrorists within the civilian population of Gaza. It is telling civilians to stay, despite the IDF urging all civilians to leave northern Gaza.
  
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  October 17, 2023 5:07pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Apparently if the beheadings, live burnings, rapes etc. didn’t actually happen and Hamas had instead quietly chloroformed 120o Israeli citizens in their sleep before administering an overdose of morphine, it would have been more acceptable.
    
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    October 17, 2023 7:32pm
- Matt Long
  
  Exactly, why aren’t we sending aid to Russia, and why didn’t we send an equal amount of war supplies to Germany and Japan in WW2?
  
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  October 17, 2023 6:48pm
Philview

I saw some video footage of the Hamas terrorists having a rest during their attack last week. There were some Israeli toddlers there who looked so cute. I assume their parents had been killed and I hate to think what ended happening to these children. I thought how could anyone hurt these lovely little kids.
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October 17, 2023 3:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anyone? We are dealing with animals here.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:33pm
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  There was a photo of captured children being kept in dog cages after being kidnapped by Hamas, though there were suggestions by some it was “fake news” so who knows.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:43pm
RRM

Unfortunately, ideas about how malignant Jewish power brokers are behind almost everything, are commonplace on the extreme left AND right here.

A few years ago when President Trump was weighing in on race riots in tbe USA, it was trendy among cool young lefty things to say “it is always OK to punch a nazi.”

It would be interesting to see how many of the wokes decrying Auckland Museum standing with Israel, have “it is always OK to punch a nazi.” in their social media history. I’m guessing the overlap is quite high….
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October 17, 2023 3:11pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Yeah, it’s like anti-Americanism, and for many of the same basic reasons: the dark hand controlling events, greed, global spread of culture, all justified by convoluted conspiracy theories.
  
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  October 17, 2023 3:56pm
- ISeeRed
  
  It would be interesting to see how many…have “it is always OK to punch a nazi.” in their social media history
  
  Let’s do this! One upside of all these “protests” in the West is the real Nazis have felt emboldened to out themselves publicly.
  
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  October 17, 2023 7:39pm
krazykiwi

Yeah – weak, weak , weak.

But … I’ll confess I’ve never been a fan of any party trying to signal their affinity with some ‘current thing’, the lighting up of buildings being one such signal. Remember it is still virtue signaling even when the virtue being signaled is something one agrees with.

Related, I noticed the UK Consulate in Wellington is flying the Ukrainian flag. Is their Union Jack broken?
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October 17, 2023 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What lighting did Skytower use?
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October 17, 2023 3:35pm
Ra Henare

I have been following Kiwiblog for many many years. It used to be a source of information and interest.

Now it seems that a handful of “snowflakes” smother us with their opinion and attack anybody with a non approved opinion.

All this Israeli ra ra ra is getting tedious.
Its a fucking war. Bad shit happens.
Neither side is blameless for the atrocities.

Wokesim by any other name is still wokism.

Oh, I dont give a tinkers cuss at any insults you choose to throw at me. I have been insulted by professionals. So the childish responses here are just a source of amusement.
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October 17, 2023 4:47pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A professional insulter? Where do I apply?
  
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  October 17, 2023 5:57pm
RdM

Sacrificed for the cause: why no Arab countries are coming forward to provide safe haven to Gaza’s civilian population.

https://www.dossier.today/p/sacrificed-for-the-cause-why-no-arab

Also: (might have been linked in the comments)

Yes, The Palestinians Are Victims, But Not For The Reasons You Are Being Told

https://wholeamericancatalog.substack.com/p/yes-the-palestinians-are-victims
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October 17, 2023 5:05pm
Andrew Worth

Palestinian’s kill lots of Israeli’s (including civilians) Israel kills lots of Palestinian’s (including civilians), Palestinian’s kill lots of Israeli’s (including civilians), now Israel is going about killing lots of Palestinian’s (including civilians).
Question: how many Palestinian’s (including civilians) does Israel need to kill over the next few days/weeks for everyone to decide that the score is settled and that future retaliations aren’t justified?
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October 17, 2023 5:18pm
- cmm
  
  Killing civilians is not the problem per se.
  
  Civilians killed in the pursuit of a military target are collateral damage. That is part of war. Shit happens whether that is the Blitz, bombing cities in Germany, Hamas strongholds in Gaza or attacking military bases in Israel.
  
  But what is NOT ok is deliberately attacking civilians for no reasonable military gain.
  
  The Hamas operations in Israel can be split into two parts:
  * The military part.
  * The terrorism part.
  
  I’ve spoken to, and listened to, some ex-Israeli soldiers and they have praise for Hamas’ military attacks. This praise is professional soldier-to-soldier recognition of a well planned and well executed mission. They might not like the outcome, but they acknowledge a job well done.
  
  But the terrorism is quite another thing. There is no military advantage in shooting up families in their homes or shooting up music festivals.
  
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  October 17, 2023 5:42pm
  - Andrew Worth
    
    Try to explain to someone whose childten, nephews, nieces, grand kids have been killed by a bomb that the deaths of those children are irrelevant, so they shouldn’t be angry or want revenge.
    
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    October 17, 2023 5:57pm
cmm

There is only one way out of this.

No government building or government/public resources should be put into making any political statements – regardless of what “side” they are on.
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October 17, 2023 5:32pm
emmess

How is this logical?
Micro-aggression by Auckland Museum not okay
Mega-aggression by Hamas, totally okay
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October 17, 2023 5:37pm
Lenticular

Maybe their own could practice what they preach and try adding Muslims and left wingers to their modern antisemitism page?

https://www.holocaustcentre.org.nz/modern-anti-semitism.html

According to these guys, no one ever hurt a Jew post 1945 except Christians. I emailed them about this a few years ago as it’s shockingly unbalanced.

If they don’t care enough to mention Hamas or their sympathisers on the hard left, why should the Auckland Museum?

PS Hamas need shooting and there is not a moral equivalence between them and Israel…AND it’s still fair to criticise NZ Jewish organisations for cuddling up to the Left, refusing to criticise them even mildly, and then complaining when the hard Left runs riot.
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October 17, 2023 8:47pm
DistantObserver

Strange how the more the conflict drags on the more you learn about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8
“If I don’t steal it someone else will steal it”

All I know is if some overweight blob from Brooklyn came to take my property, they would be leaving in a body-bag.
Ironically in some parts of the US defending your property that way is your right.
Does that make me a terrorist?
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October 17, 2023 9:40pm
- Lenticular
  
  No, but going into a town and gunning down every man, woman and child does. Period. You on your part agree to that, yes?
  
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  October 17, 2023 11:33pm
  - DistantObserver
    
    Yes, I am not justifying those atrocities.
    
    How can you watch this and think it is normal?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksnLom8OD9E
    Those tourist buses of yank settler karens are really a sight to behold.
    
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