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mikenmildagain

Burns Night!
For those of a Scottish persuasion in Wellington, there is a 3-course meal and whisky at the Thistle Inn. Hope it’s not too expensive.
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January 25, 2024 8:01am
- Yvette
  
  “The fear o’ hell’s a hangman’s whip
  To haud the wretch in order;
  But where ye feel your honour grip,
  Let that aye be your border.”
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:12am
  - thirteenstars
    
    On the subject of drinking and facing the cold silence when returning home:
    
    When chapman billies leave the street,
    And drouthy neebors, neebors meet,
    As market-days are wearing late,
    An’ folk begin to tak the gate;
    While we sit bousing at the nappy,
    And getting fou and unco’ happy,
    We think na on the lang Scots miles,
    The mosses, waters, slaps and styles,
    That lie between us and our hame,
    Whare sits our sulky sullen dame,
    Gathering her brows like gathering storm,
    Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
    
    https://www.scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk/poem/tam-o-shanter-tale/
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:45am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Although it is not too far removed, I prefer Vogon poetry.
      “Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
      Thy micturations are to me
      As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
      Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
      And hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles”
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:48am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Don’t Panic.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:57pm
    - mandk
      
      Thanks 13
      
      Tam O’Shanter is a brilliant poem. The combination of wit, wistfulness and comedy is sublime. And the imagery is gorgeous.
      
      Some of the language is a bit difficult to understand for most readers, but it is easier than, say, Chaucer.
      
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      January 25, 2024 12:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here’s an online Scots dictionary that can help:
        
        https://scots-online.org/dictionary/english_scots.php
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:46pm
    - Jinky
      
      Weel done Cutty Sark!
      
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      January 26, 2024 7:30am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There’s only one acceptable form of grace allowed to be said before a meal. Usually at Christmas, and usually by me:
    
    There’s some hae meat, that cannit eat,
    And some hae none that want it,
    But we hae meat, and we can eat,
    So let the Lord be thank-et
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:52pm
- MCōs
  
  Include me out!
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:31am
  - Greenheart
    
    Your welcome
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:19am
- Cassandra
  
  $85 per person.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    That would seem to be a good test.
    If you’re prepared to pay $85 you’re clearly a poser and not a true Scot.
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:02am
    - thirteenstars
      
      A Glaswegian dropped a penny but it hit him in the back of the head as he bent down to retrieve it.
      
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      January 25, 2024 5:47pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Billy Conolly informs us that copper wire was invented by two Scotsmen fighting over a penny.
        
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        January 26, 2024 12:08am
    - Sol Invictus
      
      Casual racism.
      
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      January 25, 2024 6:46pm
      - cmm
        
        Allowed.
        Just like black people can say n*****ga, I’m mostly a Scot (MacNeils of Barra, with the castle in the bay) and can say these things.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:07pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Allowed.
        Just like black people can say n*****ga, I’m mostly a Scot”
        
        Oh, stop it. That’s the dumbest reason. You don’t get to express racism (or any ism) just because you are of that race.
        
        You get to express it because we have free speech. Screw your magic genetic-identity shield, Superman. Say what you think and take the consequences.
        
        Grow a pair and be prepared to have them kicked.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:32pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Chardonnay socialists will be there.
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:02pm
- Paul
  
  Quality not being your quaff, then!
  
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  January 25, 2024 7:19pm
Yvette

As Tuku Morgan must know that Seymour seeks to only Clarify the Treaty to actually reflect its original translation, and a consequence would be to derail a few carriages that have been added to the “gravy Train” in the last five decades – culminating probably in the selected Maori response to He Paupau which was too hard perhaps for Willie Jackson to water down, so it was hidden on a shelf someplace because the Election caught up with him, or he allowed it to.

But as a response, now that the National Coalition should have access to that draft, it could be revealed as evidence of what Seymours seeks to eliminated.

And he needs to restate very simply and clearly what he wants, now that he has centre court promised him at Waitangi.

And as I started with Morgan, he must be in contact with his Brethren in the North – since one of the post-Kingi Hui aa Oa processes was to light four fires, one to smoke out the north, or they sent an email – those who intend to incite violence on boat-ramps for the decades old fishing competition, the Brother up there can not be as ignorant as his views suggest (and as co-iwi Shane Jones too bluntly points out) and is part of what seems a plan to wilfully start some violence, which Jacinda’s “Christchurch Call” must be conflicted in drawing public attention to.

So Seymour has about two weeks to simplify his aspirations into a bumper-sticker message before the confusion of possible violence wipes his voice out.
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January 25, 2024 8:02am
- Grunter
  
  He was very clear this morning on ZB
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:55am
- David Garrett
  
  Yvette: There is what can only be a concerted campaign by the MSM to mislead the public by referring to Seymour’s proposal as “a referendum on the treaty” when it is of course nothing of the sort.
  
  Stuff this morning has an opinion piece – to be fair it is labelled as opinion which is a nice change for Stuff – which is headed “We need to defend the treaty”. Hidden away in the 750 odd word piece there is an acknowledgment that Seymour is not proposing the referendum on the Treaty itself, but the overall message of the piece is that the very existence of the treaty is under threat. This is deliberate misinformation by the MSM
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The media are lying? How dare they?
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:00pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Gosh! That’s never happened before.
      
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      January 25, 2024 2:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    The media did not elect this Government despite trying hard, so they will continue to at every opportunity to denigrate anything they can.
    Look at those photographed involved at the strange state of affairs of no consequence yesterday, and will get front seats at Waitangi to criticise the Elected Government.
    They are using Maori to all its worth to try and continually publish criticism of Luxon and the Coalition Cabinet Ministers.
    They will continue to try and set one of the elected parties against each other as an example by making up untruths and innuendoes.
    Ladies Grow up – life is different now.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:00pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “No matter what we say, no matter what we do….”
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:54pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    1. It should be about the relevance of a historical document.
    2. Follow Helen Clarke’s lead, just ignore Waitangi, better thing to do.
    
    This is a democracy parliament is here to represent everyone equally.
    
    Just ignore them. Yes they will perform very badly like the inbred ingrates they are, but sooner or later the silent majority will say enough.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:13pm
  - Paul
    
    We have this Media for 3 tears solid. Not a misprint!
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:33pm
- backster
  
  The media are busy castigating the coalition on their support for Seymour but they never ask the various elite in the Opposition or Hipkins to state what the principles of the Treaty are and what they are not.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:19am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I think the whole point of the leftist interpretation of the treaty is that principles are undefined and that the appropriate translation of the Maori version can be updated at any point to suit the current narrative.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:25pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    The media need to take care that they report accurately. I hear the LA Times is losing 30 M a year and is going to lay off a lot of the reporters. This could happen here too.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      Tough times are widespread in the traditional print media …
      
      The famous “Washington Post,” owned for the last 10 years by Jeff Bezos, of Amazon, has reduced its work force by 240 staff “buyouts” in the last 12 months.
      
      The “Washington Post” is reported to have lost half a million subscribers since the end of 2020, and a loss of $US100 million has been forecast for 2023.
      
      https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/new-year-more-troubles-washington-post-enters-2024-plagued-financial-woes-criticism
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:24pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    With hipkins you could start with something simple, like, how do you define a woman.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:15pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Sent this request to Audrey Young. Can’t help but to ask:
    
    David Seymour has been clear about the principles bill being to firm up what the principles are. Parliament has never directly instructed anyone to go and create said principles. But they exist as we know arising less formally via various agencies.
    
    What would be useful for the current public discussion that is in progress is to have the current principles published with a note on what they are not.
    
    To be provocative, and in some respects balanced you could also ask the opposition leader and perhaps the PM what they think the principles are. Certainly the opposition leader as they made more use of the principles more than any previous government.
    
    If neither has a good handle on what they are then it does suggest a more formal discussion is required which is our select committee process.
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:11pm
    - PurplePen
      
      I’ve written to Hipkins and asked him directly if he could advise what they are and are not … thought I might as well. Will be a while before I get any response if at all. Will see.
      
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      January 25, 2024 8:20pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        He has to reply within 28 days by law. If he doesn’t, write again and threaten to go to the Ombudsman for formal review and sanction. Not good publicity for the (former) “most transparent government ever”. Keeps the lies in the spotlight should that get news of it.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        Hipkins doesn’t have to reply. A minister has to reply for requests of information.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:35pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Tuku Morgan (Welsh?) may know David Seymour intends to delineate the list of Treaty principles before it turns the rest of us into enslaved Helots, but the more important question is does Chris Luxon know? At times he appears to be as thick on racial issues as Australia’s PM Anthony “Albo” Albanese was on “The Voice”.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:45am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Luxon is under the impression that to win elections he had to appeal to the median voter, and speaks accordingly.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:19pm
krazykiwi

In 2021 Hungary passed a law that increased the penalties for pedophilia and prohibited LGBTQ propaganda being targeted at school children. The vote was 157 for, and 1 against.

Today the EU, at Ursula von der Leyen’s direction, is withholding thirty-two billion dollars in already-allocated pandemic funding unless Hungary agrees to embrace the LGBTQ agenda, ditches its 2021 anti-pedophile law, and lets in more African migrants. Here is how Hungarian president Viktor Orbán responded in a radio interview last week:

“The only thing we can say, very calmly, as a reply is that there is not enough money in the world to force us to let migrants in. There is not enough money in the world for us to allow them to take away our country. We will not create conditions like we see in Western European states — the threat of terrorism, crime, I could go on and on.”
“And there is not enough money in the world for which we would put our children or grandchildren in the hands of LGBTQ activists. That’s impossible”

Mr Luxon, please look and learn. This is how a principled head of state deals with demands from cultural terrorists and extortionists.

No prevarication.

No compromise.

No appeasement.

Just truth and strength.
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January 25, 2024 8:02am
- Matt Long
  
  Luxon is on the other side KK.
  Other professing Christians in positions of authority recently, Ashley Blomfield, Andrew Coaster.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:08am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “Coaster” a Freudian slip? 😉
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:13am
    - David Garrett
      
      Pope: The rank and file apparently have another name for him: “the lantern”
      
      Very bright, but needs to be carried.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:11am
      - NZpatriot
        
        In the spirit of constant learning, I offer a correction on the meaning of someone being a lantern:
        
        It is someone who ISN’T very bright and needs to be carried around.
        
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        January 25, 2024 2:14pm
      - cmm
        
        Needs his wick trimmed, I thought.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:11pm
      - Paul
        
        Brightish, Yellow and giving off fumes, contstantly needing refuelling with Imported Fuel ? It is accurate, but is he not a Tesla Cop, spending more time looking for a charge than doing his job? And staying close to home. to boot.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Little foxes, or a little leaven? Could be either.
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:36am
    - Matt Long
      
      An alcoholic who becomes a Christian is a Christian alcoholic and will not change until he accepts there is a problem.
      Likewise a progressive, what is worse they consider their progressive socialist tendencies make them especially virtuous because sound doctrine has fallen from fashion.
      
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      January 25, 2024 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    The Luxon Lurch is a clear demonstration of the shifting Overton Window.
    
    Luxon would have felt right at home with Auntie Helen, but here he is 20 years later being paraded as a Right Winger!
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:05am
    - Paulus
      
      What Rubbish – typical media backed comment.
      
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      January 25, 2024 2:02pm
    - Paul
      
      I can’t see how you fail, I don’t think you fail, but this Man must navigate the greatest reversal in New Zealand History. He will not succeed getting into a Srum. You Know that!
      
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      January 25, 2024 7:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes indeed. Orban might be a bit of a dictator and a Putin lap dog but on the count of sticking up for his country he is not wrong. The EU is becoming more like a cancer that the WEF, the WHO and the UN are seemingly become to democracy.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:09am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Orban is NOT a Putin lap dog – he is his own man, and running his country very well. He is more like a European Ron DeSantis.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:39am
    - Grunter
      
      Correct.
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:10am
    - virtualmark
      
      Orban was Semion Mogilevich’s bagman for many years, before he became Prime Minister of Hungary. So he is totally owned by the Russians.
      
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      January 25, 2024 2:28pm
      - Che Guava
        
        You make it sound like a smaller country being “owned” by a larger one is the exception and not the rule in terms of geopolitics. Do you seriously believe that being a liberal democracy under the auspices of the “rules-based international order” doesn’t mean that that liberal democracy isn’t “owned” by Washington DC and Wall Street?
        
        The world is bifurcated into “liberal democracies” under the control of the US-led financial and economic order, and countries that are outside of that order that the US wants to bomb or invade in order to “liberalise” and “democratise,” which really just means be under their control.
        
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        January 25, 2024 6:50pm
      - Paul
        
        As you are owned by whom?
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:48pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “Orban might be a bit of a dictator and a Putin lap dog but on the count of sticking up for his country he is not wrong.”
    
    So what is the implication of what you are saying? That “dictators” and “Putin lap dogs” as you call them are the ones with the best policies for the integrity and maintenance of their societies?
    
    When people get their knickers in a twist in response to my harsh critique of “liberal democracy,” they are ipso facto asserting the superiority of mass immigration, demographic replacement, the LGBTQI agenda and other key features of “liberal democracy” in 2024. Because that is what liberal democracy entails.
    
    The argument seems to be as long as we are “free” to be as degenerate as we like and to sustain the entrenched orthodox liberal worldview that has completely undercut the once great West, then we are better off than living under a “muh authoritarian dictatorship” that believes in standards of decency and acting in the sovereign national interest.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:45pm
- Yvette
  
  “The fear o’ hell’s a hangman’s whip
  To haud the wretch in order;
  But where ye feel your honour grip,
  Let that aye be your border.”
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Just over 2 years ago, just before our youngest went to college, we attended a couple of open evenings at our local zoned schools.
  
  The speeches at Wellington High School were notable. LBGTQ was mentioned twice as much as NCEA.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:23am
- Grunter
  
  The EU is evil. There is no doubt about that. Unelected elitists controlling citizens with complete nonsense and dangerous brainwashing. Using other peoples money to do it.
  
  I can not wait for this house of cards to collapse. It’s likely to be soon.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:25am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Threatening or bribing a government to change a law that they don’t approve of.
    
    Says it all.
    
    The sooner the EU implodes the better.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:21pm
- Simon
  
  GAE killed 500,000 children in Iraq during the 1990s and didnt give a shit. Hungary and Orban are skating on very thin ice.
  
  There are regular protests against the govt there, organized by GAE in the form of unions, greens, and socialists. GAE run scum against the people of Hungary and it wouldnt take much for them to pull the trigger.
  
  Hungary was commie ofcourse so they now can see the sewage a mile off. Luxon cant see sewage but that might be to NZ’s advantage. Until GAE folds.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:38am
  - Grunter
    
    Simon – “Until GAE folds” – what’s your best guess timeline?
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:58am
    - Jack5
      
      I apologise for having to ask this, but what is “GAE”?
      
      I have looked at acronym sites on the Net but am still unsure.
      
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      January 25, 2024 12:53pm
      - PaulP
        
        I keep seeing that acronym and had no idea either. I googled GAE and politics and got this…
        
        “GAE (pronounced like Gay) is also an internet acronym for Global American Empire used mainly by pro-Russia and pro-China right-wing groups. The pronunciation also implies that the United States coerces other countries into supporting LGBTQ+ rights.”
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:31pm
      - Romney
        
        Global American Empire.
        
        They are the Redcoats now.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:33pm
      - Che Guava
        
        GAE is a more socially acceptable but less concrete and much less redpilled substitute for ZOG.
        
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        January 25, 2024 2:36pm
      - Dave
        
        Oops, PaulP – accidental down tick.
        
        The allacronyms.com website gives 91 expansions of the acronym, but fortunately listed Globalist American Empire as its second meaning, which seemed more plausible than Garlic Aqueous Extract or German Automotive Engineering and other possibilities.
        
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        January 25, 2024 3:48pm
    - Simon
      
      Not sure when GAE folds but its the late stage now and they cant recover.
      
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      January 25, 2024 4:35pm
  - Paul
    
    Death, but who cares about it, really? Unless it is one of your own. Humans are Phsychopaths, get used to it.
    Hint: Reptile Brain inside your head, just like a Crocodile.
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Way to go!
  Come on Luxon, toughen up, like yesterday!
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    Captain Magnanimous is too busy ironing his cape.
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not all heros wear capes. The other two will have words with him soon.
      W had 6 years of shit, we don’t want any more.
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:30am
- I remember when
  
  Solving other people’s problem is always easier and a lot more fun than solving you own?
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:26am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Krazy bro – you assume Luxon has a backbone. Very wrong assumption. Move on.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:03am
  - Paulus
    
    With comments like that no wonder your name is of one of the worse Finance Ministers who bankrupted New Zealand.
    And he was a Pom too from North London – Thatcher’s constituency I understand
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:05pm
- David Garrett
  
  KK: If only we had a PM like that! I particularly like his reference to immigration – he doesn’t mention Muslim immigration, but that’s what he means – being the scourge of Western European countries which have allowed tens of thousands of them in, and got murder and terrorism as a result. We are headed down exactly the same path.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:08am
  - Dave
    
    I hope KB readers will not just moan here, but will email briefly,politely and with restraint a National MP before Waitangi, to ensure we don’t head down some of the paths we appear to be on.
    
    I will be asking mine to explain/defend the notion that some NZers are partners of the Crown but I am a subject, and reluctantly omitting references to immigration.
    
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    January 25, 2024 4:03pm
  - Paul
    
    Exactly, David. Lets dig up all the sand dunes and dump them on Auckland with Helicopters. No difference, really.
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:57pm
- Notsofast
  
  It is not clear that she is pro trans activism from this clip, it is really important to strip off the tqia+ from the lgb origin that Stonewall worked for until they became corrupt about 2014, and started sterilizing children as we do in New Zealand.
  
  https://youtu.be/HqmkhFCnijY?si=p5Pyu6KJ–R432Kv
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:56am
Souvlaki

Lyndsay Mitchell has penned an excellent synopsis of the problems surrounding the treaty.
It should be essential reading before Waitangi Day…especially for all National & NZ First MPs.
Its honest, and on point .
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-the-danger-of-the-treaty-debate-wearing-us-down
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January 25, 2024 8:03am
- G152
  
  And it must be the original treaty. No preambles, no comments no interpretations.
  Just the basic Treaty.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:08am
- Grunter
  
  Seymour made sense this morning on Newstalk ZB.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:27am
  - pdm
    
    Grunter- Seymour almost always makes sense when interviewed.
    
    His main opponents among the activists like Jackson, Tamahere etc cannot match him intellectualy.
    
    The media hacks similarly but, they of course have the advantage of saying or writing whatever suits their agenda without trying to understand what is being proposed.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:39am
- pdm
  
  Souv it would be a good idea if Willie Jackson and his activist mates and matesses read it too. It my be a bit complicated for most of them because it contains long words (more than one syllable) but maybe one of them will get the gist.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:12am
  - Positan
    
    Jackson and his activist mates are beyond educating.
    They want what they want – and they don’t care a fig for facts or actualities.
    
    “We want it, and that’s our fact.”
    
    … [Don’t wish harm on others here please. mod.]
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:05am
- lastmanstanding
  
  With Waitangi Day approaching Maori especially the activists should thank those whose ancestors came to New Zealand from the UK in the 19 century. If these people had arrived sometime later the country would have been Maoriless the inhabitants haven wiped out each other.
  Now some might say that would have been a good thing but of course I couldnt possibly comment.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:37am
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/peel-to-pip-cafe-worker-sacked-after-raising-concern-about-non-paying-customer/

Pretty typical of the majority of the new wave of business owners in this country… terrible customer service and even worse treatment of an employee.

She sacked someone over a customer stealing $2 of food and then plays the victim saying the incident has brought stress upon her family and she wants to leave nz. Ok bye then.

Must have gone to the golly gee whizz school of taking responsibility for your own actions
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January 25, 2024 8:04am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Well I won’t be going to that cafe for a coffee.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, it’s often the poor worker at the end of the pecking order who is expected to pay up for the thieving actions of others.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:17am
  - Countrygirl
    
    What a pity the thieves don’t realise who they are really hurting. I bet they are guessing it’s some rich prick, to use parliamentary language.
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:06pm
artemisia

Good summary by Roger Partridge on the public service challenge facing the new government. In the Herald this morning, paywalled but NZ Initiative media articles usually turn up on the NZI site after a while. Public service cuts needed to help rein in government spending – Roger Partridge

Here is an extract, noting that many front line public sector employees are not included in the number eg teachers, nurses, police. … the number of public service “managers” has increased from 5333 in 2017, to 8059 in 2023 (up 51 per cent); “policy analysts” from 2633 to 3949 (up 50 per cent); and ‘information professionals’ from 5437 to 9426 (up 73 per cent)

Meanwhile, on the wireless this morning the PSA’s National Secretary Kerry Davies said the public service actually needs to be increased. Because climate change and aging population. I suppose they would say that, but not sure they have read the (rest of) the room.
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January 25, 2024 8:06am
Pope Punctilious II

Tova continues to put the heat on the “Three-headed taniwha” that is the coalition government.
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January 25, 2024 8:12am
- Damocles11
  
  The heat will be on the nauseating ‘Tova’ once Stuffed falls over….
  
  Luxon shows up at Ratana to be insulted by Maori and provide the pathetic media with readymade punchlines. I guess he should be prepared for more of the same at Waitangi.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:07am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Tova part of the Three-headed MSM Ladies taniwha.
  She and her mates act like it whilst they still have jobs but maybe not for much longer.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:08pm
  - KH
    
    The morning after the election result Tova asked “Who saw that coming”
    The answer for Tova is ” Everybody but you Tova. Even the Labour party”
    So much for her vision and judgement.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:53pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I wish the MSM taniwha did only have three heads!
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:15pm
  - Damocles11
    
    One head fell off when ‘Jessica’ bailed for a big bucks corporate spin doctor role.
    
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    January 25, 2024 6:10pm
Chuck Bird

This is something Luxon should view but I doubt if he will. It is 30 minutes long. NZ now has 2.2% EVs and hybrid vehicles. That means if an EV catches fire it is not likely that another EV will be next to it. However, as the percentage of EVs increase then it is more likely another EV will be next to it.

Imagine if the percentage increases to 20% and a few of them catch fire in the Sky Tower garage or on the interisland ferry.

Prof. PAUL CHRISTENSEN Electric Vehicle Battery Fires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXTP-TgPEw
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January 25, 2024 8:13am
- Grunter
  
  I encourage all EV owners to charge their vehicle inside their garages at night. If your dumb enough to buy an EV and believe in the cult of Global Boiling then you probably don’t understand the science of fire!
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:29am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Jay-sus. Someone buys a car you don’t like and they’re a member of a “cult”. You’re starting to sound as unhinged as Che and the Jooooos.
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:34pm
- Yvette
  
  Interislander prepared for EV fire in case a Felicity Ace incident hits here.
  
  New Zealand’s largest car ferry operator, Interislander, say they are well prepared for an electric car fire.
  With electric vehicle demand only growing in New Zealand and the risks of EV fires on full display following the Felicity Ace incident, Kiwi car ferries are as prepared as ever for the worst.
  “The growing number of EVs and the risks associated with them is something KiwiRail has carefully considered,” Interislander Executive General Manager Walter Rushbrook told NZ Autocar.
  The Felicity Ace cargo ship caught fire in the Atlantic Ocean on February 16.
  Onboard were nearly 4000 brand-new Volkswagen cars, including several EVs, which complicated the fire as their lithium-ion batteries became almost impossible to extinguish.
  Fire crews couldn’t isolate the EV batteries and attend to them with the necessary specialist equipment.
  The vessel sunk a few days after the fire was finally put out.
  https://www.autocar.co.nz/interislander-prepared-for-ev-fire-in-case-a-felicity-ace-incident-hits-here/
  
  KiwiRail will now go Sailing Along (1938) until their Titanic (1997) becomes a Burning Inferno (1974)
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    Towering Inferno, not Burning Inferno.
    
    I distinctly remember that because, being well over six ft and having red hair, “Towering Inferno” was one of my high school nicknames.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:34am
    - Yvette
      
      CMM, sorry, you are right of course
      Some heart medications are screwing with the brain cells
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:55am
      - kowtow
        
        Sorry to hear that , and in case any if you missed it A Night to Remember (1958) is a far superior movie version of the Titanic tragedy than that ’90’s one is. IMHO.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:52am
  - grumpy
    
    Problem is, none of the “measures” listed by Kiwirail will actually extinguish a LiLO fire.
    the ONLY viable solution would be to park all EVs in an area where they can be pushed over the side by a big forklift with a steel shield. They will continue to burn under the ocean in Cook Strait.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Volkswagens? That’s a bit harsh, albeit accurate.
    
    ‘The vessel held 189 Bentleys, 1,110 Porsches, and the very last batch of Lamborghini Aventadors’
    
    Absolutely tragic!
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:29pm
- cmm
  
  “That means if an EV catches fire it is not likely that another EV will be next to it. ”
  
  Well, partially true.
  
  But EVs tend to cluster around charging points making their density higher there (and lower elsewhere).
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Good point.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:13am
    - Yvette
      
      Perhaps also why some ferry services will not allow charging of cars while onboard, although it would seem smart to top an ev up while not in use
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:00am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Perhaps they don’t have a long enough extension cord.
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:06am
    - Paulus
      
      That is the point to charge that they cluster around !
      
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      January 25, 2024 2:10pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I just checked and found that it is expected that by 2040 40% of vehicles will be EVs.
  
  https://www.infometrics.co.nz/article/2018-02-whats-store-ev-sales-now-2040-2
  
  Just imagine a fire on the interisland ferry then.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:01am
  - Grunter
    
    No need to worry Chuck – the world will run dry of ‘rare earth minerals’ well before we get anywhere near 40% EV ownership
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:14am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Or the market will find alternatives? Your EV hate is stupid and ignorant.
      
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      January 25, 2024 1:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, the Japanese &I think the Yanks are investing heavily in Hydrogen – which I think uses the normal ICE engine with modified fuel intakes.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:59pm
      - Grunter
        
        Why?
        1. EV manufacture is worse for the environment than ICE’s, and far more resource intensive
        2. EV’s use marginal electricity supply capacity so therefore this is almost always generated from coal or gas – so their entire premise is blatant lies
        3. EV’s provide the greenwashing left with another ‘story’ to preach and brainwash with.
        
        If ‘the market’ does eventually find alternatives that overcome obvious flaws in the current EV plan, then I’m all for it……when/if it eventuates.
        
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        January 25, 2024 3:27pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Dan Beckett, my European friend’s husband is working on hydrogen for vehicle power. His perspective is that EV is not the answer and neither is hydrogen.
        
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        January 25, 2024 5:54pm
      - JJ56
        
        Grunter in NZ fossil fuel is used for peaking, typically evenings and mornings. EVs tend to be being used then and if possible like to use the cheaper overnight electricity, more usually clean.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:39pm
      - nova
        
        Hydrogen has a lot of disadvantages as a fuel source, and one of them is that it is quite hard to transport it around without leaking some of it to the atmosphere. And it turns out that causes other greenhouse gases to hang around for longer:
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-00857-8
        
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        January 25, 2024 8:09pm
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Yeah, nah! Ain’t going to happen.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:10pm
- David Garrett
  
  Jesus, that is absolutely terrifying! It can only be a matter of time before someone in NZ dies in one of these Li-ion battery fires – I believe there have been several such fires already, without anyone being killed?
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:04am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Did you view the video David?
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:45am
    - grumpy
      
      I did Chuck but apparently Kiwirail have not.
      Absolutely horrifying.
      
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      January 25, 2024 12:25pm
- Lance
  
  EV fies in confined spaces present 2 major problems.
  1. The fire can spread easily
  2. EV batteries contain colbalt. Cobalt fumes are extremely toxic and even a few breaths of smoke with cobalt fumes can bugger your lungs permanently
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:10am
  - grumpy
    
    You need to watch the video above……
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:26pm
Jack5

Something’s been going on during the Leftist media’s mass tantrum over its side losing the election.

It’s the colonial hats on the Leftist guys.

These aren’t the hats of the worker Left: berets if anything. The Ungreat Defeated, from Hipkins to Davis, are showing up wearing the brim-hats of the bourgeoisie, the bosses, the evil capitalists!

Like the Maori Party fools in the cowboy hats of the colonisers of North America, the Loser Left is co-opting the symbols of the Right.

What next? Hipkins smoking a cigar?
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January 25, 2024 8:13am
- Damocles11
  
  Maipi-Clarke struts around in a beret.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:10am
  - Matt Long
    
    The dress ups and rhetoric have gotten them five seats in parliament. It’s cynical but it’s working.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps Maipi-Clarke’s beret emulates the head gear of Bonnie Parker, of the Bonnie and Clyde team. Late 1920s, early 1930s, early post-cowboy era.
    
    Still, from an indigenous perspective, it’s colonial fashion.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:43pm
imalwaysright

Unfortunately as predicted, the treaty has turned into a talk fest that becomes more forensic by the day.

Seymour should have honed his cost slashing skills by quietly defunding the thousands of maori committees and socalled welfare organisations.

All he had to say was payments are temporarily suspended pending audit.

After a year of that most of the scammers would have headed for the hills leaving not only far fewer antagonists, but those remaining would be suitably chastened after seeing the fate of their fellow scammers.

Instead of preparing their own battlefield and weakening their enemy, the government is letting the activists choose the locations, form the majority of attendees and, to cap it off, claim government funding to pay for it all.

Then there’s the media standing back and laughing at the stupidity of the government giving them another Christmas .
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January 25, 2024 8:15am
- Yvette
  
  Support the Treaty without making Maori exceptionalists
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:06am
- artemisia
  
  Suspending funding temporarily pending audits would cause major push back. Softly, softly would work better. Accountable Ministers should work with the Minister for (less) Regulation, and kick off working quietly through lists to ensure outcomes are necessary and being met. If not, well it’s obvious.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:52am
Matt Long

With the totally unexpected consequences of increasing rental housing regulations and cost resulting in rental shortages and upward spiralling rents in New Zealand, in Argentina removing regulations has had the opposite effect.
Is there a lesson for National here? Will it accord with the socialist philosophy of the uniparty?
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1749799039896637833
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January 25, 2024 8:16am
- Simon
  
  Freeze immigration for 10 yrs to 15 yrs and watch all NZ’s problems around housing & rent largely disappear.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:24am
  - pdm
    
    Watch the orchards and Dairy Farms go into liquidation too Simon.
    
    Most people on jobseekers don’t like doing work that gets their hands dirty ormight mean starting before 9am and finishing after 4pm.
    
    They will do all they can to get sacked.
    
    We need immigrants for agriculture and horticulture work as well as Doctors, Nurses and others.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:56am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Or then again we could train more of our doctors and nurses, instead of poaching them from India and elswhere.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:07am
      - Don Beckett
        
        @pdm.
        I fail to understand that those on the Jobseeker benefit can stay on there for more than 3 months. They should be told to go to work at a place looking for employees with 40 kms. of their home. If they don’t, the payment stops, and will not be re-instated.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        The problem is that people with a non work culture on a work site are many times more costly than their wage or any production they might achieve.
        
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        January 25, 2024 12:33pm
      - Ghost
        
        Job seekers includes those with health issues that can’t wotk
        
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        January 25, 2024 2:29pm
      - JJ56
        
        People with genuine long-term health issues have other option from the benefit system. Do need pesky things like Drs certificates though.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:45pm
    - Drone
      
      A bit harsh pdm most of those jobs are in the boondocks, the unemployed with no money can’t get there (no public transport) and if they get there they can’t find/afford accommodation. Plus they lose their place on the pavement when they leave. Simplistic rant by a neoliberal..
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:13am
      - Taieri
        
        the unemployed with no money can’t get there (no public transport) and if they get there they can’t find/afford accommodation.
        ————
        
        There’s no public transport to Waitaki Dam or Homer Tunnel building sites. And the accommodation provided to the workers there wasn’t exactly 5 star either.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:53am
      - Don Beckett
        
        They are ‘Jobseekers’ – not unemployed, so they are supposed to be looking for a JOB. Otherwise, they should be on the unemployed benefit.
        A Rat Cunning jack-up by the witch Jacinda & her minions – notably the fat fairy.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:55am
      - pdm
        
        Drone there are orchardists on the Hastings City boundary looking for workers – hardly the boondocks.
        
        Plus most orchards and packhouses around Hawkes Bay will pick up workers from home and drop them off after work.
        
        However historically (since mid 80’s that I know of) said jobseeker and dole people will do anything to get the sack.
        
        The majority do not want to work – they are malingerers and dole bludgers.
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:21am
    - Damocles11
      
      If the immigrants do these jobs then why are the businesses concerned always crying out for more workers….and why are we still 8,000 health professionals short?
      250,000 new immigrants arrived last year & the national dairy herd is shrinking….but we need more immigrants for our dairy farms! Make it make sense! (My father milked his own cows, he didn’t get a Filipino to do it for him while he played golf).
      Immigration is used in NZ as a cheap gimmick to boost GDP numbers (but not ‘per capita’ GDP numbers) and keep wages low. And it plays right into the Lefts hands as well (“Yah! Diversity!”)
      Meanwhile our existing infrastructure can’t cope with the influx; many of the newcomers (and their inbound parents) will soon start to develop the health problems that come with older age: our GP’s and Hospitals are set to buckle.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:19am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agree, except for the “250,000 immigrants”, which is a gross exaggeration. I understand the number was about 100,000.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:57am
      - Jack5
        
        Re Don Beckett at 10.57’s comment on immigration numbers.
        
        From Stats NZ:
        
        Provisional estimates for the November 2023 year compared with the November 2022 year were:
        
        -migrant arrivals: 249,500 (± 2,000), up 135 percent
        
        – migrant departures: 122,100 (± 1,300), up 29 percent
        
        -annual net migration: gain of 127,400 (± 2,500), compared with a net gain of 11,400 (± 100).
        
        The 249,500 migrant arrivals and 122,100 migrant departures in the November 2023 year are, provisionally, the highest on record for an annual period.
        
        Easily found:
        
        https://stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-migration-november-2023/
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:59am
    - Taieri
      
      They will do all they can to get sacked.
      ————
      
      Not if they have to eat. Perhaps it’s the time to rethink the job “seeker” allowances?
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      pdm: I am currently live in Tonga, where recruitment of fruit pickers because the lazy bastards in NZ won’t do it is causing serious labour shortages here. Every single hospitality business here is desperate for staff.
      
      Of course you can’t blame Joe and Jane Tongan: why stay here and earn $5-10 an hour when you can get$20-30 an hour picking apples or grapes?
      
      Australia also obviously has its share of lazy bastards: most of the Tongans coming into my office to get certified copies of their passports are heading to Oz – the pay there is better than NZ apparently.
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:16am
      - pdm
        
        DG I have no gripe with RSE workers. Son manages two Orchards for a HB Company and has great Tongan workers.
        
        Where I work a few hours a week as a security guard the orchardist there has Samooan workers who are just the same – yesterday I think they started at 7am and know they finished at 7pm.
        
        Try to get someone from jobseekers to do that.
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:25am
      - Jack5
        
        Automation is the future of fruit picking.
        
        The use of temporary labour from the Pacific and Melanesia is a good form of foreign aid, but it’s transitional.
        
        Fruit harvested this way won’t be able to compete with product from automated orchards.
        
        What’s happening now:
        
        https://www.farmweekly.com.au/story/6961435/nz-apple-orchard-uses-worlds-first-commercial-robot-picker/
        
        And what’s happening “tomorrow morning” …
        
        Robots, computer vision, and now, artificial intelligence:
        
        “Incorporating AI in automated harvesting processes holds monumental potential to overcome severe industry-wide labor shortages while bolstering supply volumes …”
        
        https://saiwa.ai/blog/ai-in-automated-harvesting/
        
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        January 25, 2024 12:13pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Re Jack5 @12.13pm even more so for the grape harvesting and growing with the Kiwi developed machine. Also used to blow all dead foliation from two rows at a time to let the sun shine in and strong growth. It is adapted and purpose built for export to overseas growers of other crops as well. Only downside of RSE workers is they only spend what they have to, beat locals to op shop bargains and send most of their income home.
        
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        January 25, 2024 2:36pm
    - artemisia
      
      There is another aspect to those out of work, and it is from my own experience.
      
      I was at home for a few years, voluntarily, looking after children. No welfare payments involved and budgets were very very tight. It can take a surprisingly small amount of time for the world to shrink and to become much less able to act in one’s own behalf. And I had no pressure apart from very restricted income, but add pressure to get a job pdq and that could make things actually more difficult.
      
      For many some extra support would be needed to get them up and running in a job. Even if they want to work, they don’t know how after a few months or more on the sofa. Suggest that extra support – for some – is a plan with baby steps to start with. For example, requiring attendance at a reasonably near location for half days 3 x a week, build from there.
      
      There is already a sort of model that could be the basis of a plan – the Young Parent Payment designed to help take responsibility and set the household up for the future. Part of the social investment approach, but I hear less supported under the previous government, though it was not cancelled. (Not sure if YPP outcomes are being monitored or met. If not Ministers should be asking and scrutinising.)
      
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      January 25, 2024 12:49pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Well not exactly as there are sort of two classes of Jobseekers and the criteria is:
        A) not be in employment and are looking for a job
        B) be in part-time employment and looking for more work, or
        C) have a health condition or disability which affects your ability to work. This means you have to reduce your hours or stop work for a while. We may still be able to help if you have a job to go back to.
        Plus. If you’re getting Jobseeker Support and you still need it after a year, you have to reapply.
        Thus making more work for MSD and you guessed it they need more staff. This is where you will find you are dealing with somebody with a strange sounding. Who obviously has English as a second language, has had the big native cultural training to join in the morning cantation but a lot less job training.
        
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        January 25, 2024 2:26pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yep. It’s pretty simple. NZ’s birth rate has been below replacement for decades. Yet our population has been increasing. Over 1m extra people in 20 years. Most of those extra people have been immigrants. Essentially all the new houses have been for foreigners. People not born here to whom we owe nothing. Does this make any sense?!
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Why don’t the media say why Rents have skyrocketed Nationally over recent years ?
  It s because the Ardern Government decided in good socialist fashion that all landlords are parasites on society so they changed the rules of ownership whereby small rental property owners said good by, and sold up, leaving a considerable deficit in properties available to rent.
  Now they will now blame the Coalition Government we voted for, as they tried so had to keep socialist/marxism alive.
  Now they are trying hard to denigrate everything the Government is elected to do.
  Look a the usual fanny’s at Ratana on TV as far as I can see all the usual anti Government, now pro Maori in all things, as they continue to blame and criticise this Government the country, for every thing not done, that we, not Maori, voted for.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:36am
  - artemisia
    
    Paulus, the plan was to move to the taxpayer the provision of subsidised housing to as many as possibly. And to ratepayers but not to the same extent. Not that anyone came out and said it, but not hard to join the dots.
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:13pm
  - artemisia
    
    Be interesting to see what happens when a these new rental housing policies kick in.
    1. No cause required for 90 day terminations by landlords. Currently only a few reasons to terminate are allowed. They are very specific and frankly can be a major hassle gathering evidence. Predictions – uptick in 90 day terminations, increase in transitional housing and social housing waiting list, more offers to new immigrants.
    
    2. Bright-line currently 10 years from purchase, some working through 5 years. Sell within the bright-line period and pay potentially 39% of capital gain to the government. Predictions – could be some good buying coming up if there is a wave of rentals on the market, likely will be. Buyers will include new immigrants with funds and well paying jobs. And did I mention more transitional housing and increased social housing waiting lists?
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:28pm
- Skippytony
  
  Matt, there is so much evidence about the negative consequences of rent controls, so many academic studies, so much real world experience tells us its one of the truly stupid ideas, yet every couple of years some lefty brightspark reliably trots it out as a good idea.
  And who could be surprised that when you start an openly declared war on evil profiteers providing rental housing two unexpected things happen. 1. Said capitalist dogs exit the market exacerbating the problem and 2) The costs layered onto the remaining providers flow through to retail rents. Who’d have thought?
  
  Its a three tiered problem. Some of our betters are just economically illiterate. A subset of the economic retards are ideologically opposed to anyone making a profit. Full stop. Finally, and this is a universal problem with politicians is that they are pathologically incapable of being honest about trade offs. Its a most egregious form of intellectual dishonesty.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:40am
  - Taieri
    
    And who could be surprised that when you start an openly declared war on evil profiteers providing rental housing two unexpected things happen
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    Not that long ago there’s a series of articles about substandard rental accommodations in Dunedin, mostly inhabited by the less fortunate members of our society such as people with various addictions and so on. Admittedly, these places were not particularly luxurious and the majority of them were subsequently closed down. Some of their former inhabitants now live in tents. If they have tents. Others live wherever they can…
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:50am
    - Skippytony
      
      I was in the People’s Republic of Dunedin over the New Year. There is still a lot of very, very substandard student accommodation down there.
      
      Talk about New Zealand’s productivity issues. Went for a walk on New Years day to try and find a coffee. One coffee shop (and fuck all else) open in all of Dunners and six thousand bemused German tourists off a cruise ship walking around looking for something to spend their money on. Even the pubs are closed for three weeks!
      
      Three cruise ships in four days and 90% of Dunners shut.
      
      Not like they turned up un-announced.
      
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      January 25, 2024 4:06pm
- Grunter
  
  I’m expecting many more examples like this emerging from the Milei era in Argentina. Hopefully, he gets a decent chance to implement his Murray Rothbard economic policies before some scumbag tries to eliminate him.
  
  I’d like to think we get a Milei in NZ, but in reality, things would need to get very bad for the predominantly left-wing population to elect a ‘Kiwi Milei’. Most Nat supporters can’t even stomach Seymour let alone a true Libertarian like Milei.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:57am
  - kiwi_chileno
    
    “things would need to get very bad” – indeed. It would take a real crisis (1984; Chile in 1973 under Allende). But, even then, NZ’ers might have a high tolerance for systemic failure, suffering, and immiseration.
    
    And who would be NZ’s Miliei? – David Seymour? ‘Cometh the hour, cometh the man’…I think that man has not revealed themselves. NZ. Milei was an outsider, not a member of the parasitic political caste / Blob.
    
    Perhaps NZer’s really are sheep and there are no lions for NZ’s Milei to awaken.
    
    Can Javier Milei save Argentina? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmbVJ3iFiFs
    
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    January 25, 2024 4:55pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Matt, To whom was “the consequence of increasing rental housing regulations and cost resulting in rental shortages and upward spiralling rents in New Zealand” totally unexpected? Anyone with a smattering of economics saw that coming.
  I can only conclude you were exercising your irony muscle.
  
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  January 25, 2024 12:13pm
G152

So the current government attended a couple of biased meetings where they were abused, insulted and screamed at.
Maybe those who did that are unaware that they are insulting a democratically elected government with powers to answer those insults that their gang brothers might be aware of.
Enough of the threats to many and enough of these meetings that are commanded by few ..
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January 25, 2024 8:16am
- pdm
  
  G53 a question – were Luxon Peters and Jones aboused by the actual Ratana Church people?
  
  Or was it only the outsider activists like Willie Jackson, Kelvin Davis, Chris Hipkins, the Maori Party Leaders etc who did the abusing.
  
  My understanding is that the Ratana people are good hosts and abuse from them is out of character.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Jones on HDPA last night said the abuse came from Turangiwaewae .
    
    Whatever that means.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:55am
    - David Garrett
      
      Kowtow: He means it comes from the supporters of what Hone the Racist has called “the king of Huntly”.
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:20am
      - kowtow
        
        Interesting how te media pahti always present “Maori” as some sort of united voice / almost a nation with common interests separate to all the other citizens of this once fair land.
        
        When in fact the tribal elements /leaders thereof seem to be in reality very divided and generally nothing like the picture te media pahto present us . In fact they’re keeping the rest of NZ deliberately in the dark about how very divided tribal allegiances and politics are.
        And always have been .
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:47pm
    - RightFirstTime
      
      I wonder if Shane’s nephs are still “on the couch”? Or has Uncle Shane managed to get them a job? Just like he got himself one!
      
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      January 25, 2024 3:51pm
Southern Raider

Nationals PR team needs to be replaced

They don’t seem to be able to get across a very simple message eg the treaty isn’t being touched, the review is about the principles that should be applied so everyone in NZ is clear on what and how

And everytime some muppet radical claims oil/gas needs to be banned due to the treaty, fishing competitions need to be banned due to the treaty, public access needs to be blocked due to the treaty then Luxon can roll these out as ongoing examples of why principles need to be defined.
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January 25, 2024 8:17am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You don’t seem to get it, even after seeing Wayne Mapp’s comments here on the subject. National don’t want this any more than Labour/Green/Te Paiti Maori do.
  
  National are on the other side of this issue from you and ACT and they’re just slowly, calmly managing these changes into the grave, after which they can focus on “more important things” like tax cuts.
  
  “You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.”
  
  And…
  
  I know some here noted that National used to have a policy to do away with the Maori electoral seats. That policy never had a chance of proceeding because there was way too much resistance in the caucus to actually do it. In the end the policy was quietly dropped.
  …
  The policy of abolishing the Maori seats was never a core policy. There were other things that were way more important. So those who supported it, or in fact had come up with it, never even tried to push the policy within caucus to actually implement it.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:53am
  - Grunter
    
    Exactly Tom.
    
    The Nats are slowly boiling the frog, which makes them arguably more dangerous than the obviously obnoxious radicals on the extreme left.
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    That’s cool, whatever floats their boat. There’s two sides to that coin though: voters don’t have to stick by them. They can watch support bleed to ACT and NZ First. We are all sick of and tired of having the ever-expanding nonsense of ‘Te Tiriti’ rammed down our throats and of witnessing the blatant politicisation of the public service where you have to promise to immerse your soul in ‘Te Tiriti’ just to get (and keep) the job. They know where they can stick their ‘Te Tiriti’, and eventually Luxon will come to know it as well.
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:31am
  - Media hater
    
    Yes Tom, shame I voted for Mapp in 2008 in the North Shore electorate although my vote didn’t really count with such a large majority. I guess Wayne must be the quintessential Nat to be selected in such a died-in-the wool National party electorate.
    
    I do find his ‘saying the quiet part out loud’ observations quite illuminating on this site, for better or worse.
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:42am
- Stephen Russell
  
  Extreme and irrational ranting on the Left hurts the Left. Shouting back is not the smartest response. Calm, mild responses make the Right seem rational and safe.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:29pm
- Countrygirl
  
  I think we have got to stop referring to them as principles. They were articles. I feel principles allows more of an opening for different interpretations.
  
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  January 25, 2024 6:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The principles of the Tof W are NOT the articles.
    
    The principles are derived from our Courts & the Waitangi Tribunal settlements.
    
    https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/WT-Principles-of-the-Treaty-of-Waitangi-as-expressed-by-the-Courts-and-the-Waitangi-Tribunal.pdf
    
    As is so clearly explained in that document:
    In the view of the Courts and the Waitangi Tribunal, Treaty principles are not set in stone. They are constantly evolving as the Treaty is applied to particular issues and new situations. Neither
    the Courts nor the Waitangi Tribunal have produced a definitive list of Treaty principles. As President Cooke has said: “The Treaty
    obligations are ongoing. They will evolve from generation to generation as conditions change”.
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:02pm
Matt Long

Those in National who subscribe to Maori exceptionalism will be very excited by this affirmation of Maori culture in the family courts, those who care about kids having a stable home, will be discusted.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/custody-battle-court-rules-father-cant-meet-childrens-custody-needs-after-their-mother-alleges-their-use-of-te-reo-tumbled/FHSS3QEG75A55D7EOPM23JKGQY/
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January 25, 2024 8:18am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Based on “active protection” – one of the imaginary principles Seymour is trying to get rid of.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:26am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Oh boy…..this is a can of worms…..
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:27am
- Gravelroad
  
  From the article:
  “He left the family home, moving hundreds of kilometres away to live alone with his new partner.”
  There is the main problem.
  “New partner” means warfare and protecting of mother’s rights and status above all else.
  And why move hundreds of kilometres away with the new partner? This kids should be the main priority.
  Stay near them if you want to have some influence.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Agree , however the main issue the court identified in the story is the falling off of Te Reo for the child.
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:36am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Which probably would’t have been so much of a concern had there not been “new partner” and “hundreds of kilometres away.”
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:06am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Bit puzzled as to why you are worried about the implications, for the child, of the father having a new partner.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:11am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I’m not “worried” about the father, the mother or the new partner.
      The kids should be the priority.
      Not game playing and status protection.
      When a parent gets a new partner, the one left behind needs to be heard……
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:29am
    - greybeard
      
      I agree. History has shown us that most of the troubles in these cases are caused by the new partner of the woman.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:17am
- graham
  
  Sigh.
  
  By coincidence, one of the articles I read about Wikatana Popata yesterday – the chap who wants to bully the Doubtless Bay fishing competition into giving up, and has been convicted for assaulting John Key and a pair of school boys who witnessed a drunken Auckland robbery carried out by his cousins – talks about how he is raising his children to speak only Maori.
  
  Popata and his partner Rangimarie own a lifestyle block where they are building papakāinga housing and marae, their own kura kaupapa Māori and further developing their business, Kina Digital.
  
  Their three young children speak only Māori.
  
  “They have no understanding of English. My partner and I believe that if there is strength in their foundation of Māoritanga, meaning te reo and their tikanga, then they will become the perfect product,” Popata said.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/activist-who-grabbed-john-key-is-now-an-adviser-on-race-relations/ZW42ADAOMXKXFWLL7H77J3HWKE/
  
  Look, I have absolutely no problem with ANYBODY learning to speak Maori. But learning to speak ONLY Maori, in a country where very few people understand more than a few word, is just idiotic. It’s placing ideology above basic common sense reality. How on earth does Mr Popata think his children will get on on the world if they literally “have no understanding of English”?
  
  Incidentally, the article – written in 2019 – is entitled “Activist who grabbed John Key is now an adviser on race relations” and paints Mr Popata as someone who made mistakes in his early life, was on his way to prison, but had a revelation and has turned his life around.
  
  Five years on, how do we think this adviser on race relations is doing, folks?
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:46am
  - Swifty
    
    “The perfect product…..”
    
    WTF?
    
    Surely what matters is what’s in the best interest of the children – and equipping them for success in an English-speaking country would be right up there, in my view.
    
    I do hope these parents don’t fall into a trap of prioritising ‘Maoriness’ as the expense of other key skills and behaviours – these children will have to earn a living in the near future and for the next 50-70 years.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:03pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    That sounds like child abuse to me. There’s a legal obligation on parents to ensure their children attend school.
    
    “Under the Education and Training Act 2020, parents and carers of school children up to 16 years old can be prosecuted if their child is away from school without a good reason.”
    https://parents.education.govt.nz/primary-school/your-child-at-school/making-sure-your-child-attends-school-every-day/#:~:text=Yes%2C%20your%20child%20must%20go,school%20without%20a%20good%20reason.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:53pm
  - miltonF
    
    That should be considered child abuse. His children will literally not be able to learn or understand anything. The vocabulary is tiny. There is no Māori equivalent for the majority of English words. For example his children will never be able to comprehend science. What’s the Māori translation of “electromagnetism”? There is none. The closest you’ll get is “te hikohiko” which translates to “electronics”.
    
    Language makes up your understanding of the world, and Māori language is extremely limited.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:09pm
- jedmo
  
  Family Court has always been a hostile environment for men, no surprise that it’s now displaying overt hostility to whiteness.
  
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  January 25, 2024 1:19pm
Simon

The special snowflakes call the Nat led govt white supremacist. This is egged on of course by MSM, totally ruined by 6 yrs of Labo corruption.

The real relationship for the special snowflakes isnt Maori and the Crown. Its some few Maori and the tax payer. Increasingly people can see what this so called victimhood and entitlement racket is all about.
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January 25, 2024 8:19am
Im Right

What fear mongering headlines will the new govt face from the MSM today?
What leading stories in the evening news shall we see decrying the new govt?
Compared to the arse kissing Jacinda got for 5 years, the coalition party leaders are in for a terrible time, and it’s only Jan!
I just hope they stick to the script and ignore the attacks from all sides.
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January 25, 2024 8:20am
Jack5

A new worry for air travel – GPS spoofing.

Reuters says this is becoming more common, and describes it thus:

“Spoofing might involve one country’s military sending false Global Positioning System (GPS) signals to an enemy plane or drone to hinder its ability to function.

“The problem for commercial aviation comes if that false signal is then picked up by a GPS receiver in a passenger plane, potentially confusing the pilot and air traffic control.”

Airlines have reported a surge of GPS spoofing in the Middle East and in the Baltic region.
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January 25, 2024 8:21am
Maggie Pie

Evil racist says he wants to treat everyone equally!

https://tiktok.com/@rnzsocial/video/7327518851422293266
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January 25, 2024 8:21am
- Matt Long
  
  A good speech by Luxon.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:34am
  - KH
    
    Excellent work by Luxon. Not going to be reported much by MSM. The people must not be told.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:04am
  - JJ56
    
    I do think we can see the strategy at play here.
    
    Get the more reasonable elements of Maoridom who want better outcomes, and a hand in delivering it, onside, and leave the rest high and dry.
    
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    January 25, 2024 8:02pm
- Damocles11
  
  In stark contrast to Luxon, the vile Hipkins running around Ratana crying ‘racist’ and ‘enemy’ was the greatest display of wilfully sowing the seeds of division that I’ve seen of late. The sight of his smug little orange visage, chin jutting forward while he tries to foment turmoil….it is vomit inducing. To think that this awful man was our PM just a short while ago.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chippie is heading for a ‘tap.’
    Soon he will insult the wrong person.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:45am
  - pdm
    
    Hipkins is quickly becoming nothing more than an activist like Willie Jackson and others of his ilk.
    
    The brief clip I heard of Sepuloni yesterday suggests she is no better.
    
    What great Leaders Labour have to lead them into oblivion.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:15am
Matt Long

A Canadian court has just ruled the Trudeau government’s actions against the freedom convoy illegal, green shoots of freedom?
https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1749873533730034005?s=20
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January 25, 2024 8:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  Trudeau is not letting power go easily
  ‘-The Canadian government will appeal a court ruling that Ottawa’s use of emergency powers in early 2022 to end anti-government protests was unreasonable, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland said on Tuesday.’
  https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ottawa-appeal-ruling-canadas-use-emergency-powers-was-unreasonable-2024-01-23/
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:30am
Matt Long

“The new right-wing government in Sweden 🇸🇪

▪️SCRAPPED the renewable energy goals.

▪️SCRAPPED Agenda 2030 goals from directives.

▪️SCRAPPED climate taxes on diesel and gasoline.

▪️Now they are PUSHING BACK against the cashless agenda.

Do you support Sweden?”
This will get Luxon feeling sweaty.

https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1749782498320499075?s=20
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January 25, 2024 8:24am
- Grunter
  
  Now they will be defunded by the EU and sent to war by NATO – so Sweden is buggered!
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:31am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  These are inputs. Not results, not outcomes. They may well lead to increased prosperity without unacceptable collateral environmental and social damage. But I suggest we see if they actually do, and then think it through carefully taking into account different economic, social and environmental starting points, before concluding that the same approach would deliver the same outcomes in New Zealand
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:17am
Matt Long

Anti Semitic protesters at the Sundance festival have no idea what they’re protesting about except against the Jews. Was Che there?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1749555091487482233?s=20
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January 25, 2024 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same in NZ. Next pro Palestine march go ask them what to explain what they are protesting about. Most will not know.
  They don’t know the difference between Waikato river or the Jordan river, or the difference between the Red sea, Black sea, or Mediterranean.
  This is what happens when schools do not teach history.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:19am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Most pro Israel supporters suffer the same affliction.
    
    Neither side seem willing to let the facts get in the way of their keyboard enabled endorphin rush.
    
    Its sad that death has become entertainment.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:43am
Matt Long

Jacinda and Luxon, we were frenemies for a while due to the job, but we’re back to best buds.
“She was expected to leave the role after the election of a right-leaning government late last year however, Prime Minister Chris Luxon revealed on Tuesday he had asked her to extend her term.”
https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/8496076/ardern-to-continue-as-new-zealand-terror-envoy/
Luxon, Jacinda, but less hair.
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January 25, 2024 8:30am
- Matt Long
  
  I know, I know, why don’t I just vote Labour then?
  Thanks for the brilliant analysis. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Think Luxon knows that Labo types cant function in the real world. Ardern might get snapped up by Soros to run hate and division in NZ and the Pacific. Makes sense to bring her under some sort of NZ oversight. Its a nothing job. Everyone knows Ardern bailed because everyone understood she was garbage. By extension any role performed will be also garbage.
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:46am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Nice that Luxon has the odd lazy half million lying around to fund his cohort into a nothing job now she has fallen on hard times.
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:16pm
- nathie
  
  Could be a cunning plan to keep her occupied (and her remaining fanbase) … I mean does anyone seriously think she will actually deliver any results? !!
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    He could have kept her occupied with a box of crayons.
    
    No one else will employ her. Now we are on the hook for the continuation of the security detail, and he has given implied approval of her plans to censor the internet.
    I wonder what country they will start with?
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:31am
    - nathie
      
      See Simon’s reply above. He’s right, it could have been worse, much worse.
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:41am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Soros employs garbage?
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:45am
  - rockape
    
    I think he is giving her enough rope to hang herself. For 500 k expenses for the whole shebang and no salary Luxon can sit back and ask her to list her achievements for that money. My guess is there will be none. If he cancelled the whole deal, she could claim he sabotaged it. Smart move I think.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:08am
    - artemisia
      
      Christchurch Call. Betting the only achievement will be – we had a few meetings and talked about very important stuff.
      
      If that’s it, the Christchurch call will be for funding from other countries.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:27am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        The 500K will be spent on international travel at the pointy end of the plane ostensibly to “meet” with other members of the Christchurch Call cabal…the reality will be conveniently job hunting/troughing/holidaying in the same country so it never comes out of her own pocket.
        
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        January 25, 2024 3:54pm
    - Ghost
      
      The $500,000 funding is still a carry over from the labour government, no new funding from national and they are using the pre budget time to decide what to do with the Christchurch call.
      
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      January 25, 2024 4:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        It’s taxpayer cash either way, Ghost
        
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        January 25, 2024 8:51pm
      - Ghost
        
        More to the point it’s borrowed money that we don’t have.
        
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        January 25, 2024 9:38pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Watch Seymour and Peters support grow and Luxon get rolled.
  He’s a disgrace .
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:10am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    But who would replace Luxon as Nats leader? I suspect it’s a mistake to lay the blame on Luxon – the underlying problem is the dominance of the liberal faction of the Nats.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:40am
    - Grunter
      
      Luxon is the leader of that faction!
      
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      January 25, 2024 11:23am
  - Ghost
    
    Reminds me of the idiots who were claiming act will get 18 mp’s in the last election, act will be the main part, act will be the second largest party. Delusional
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:47am
    - Taieri
      
      Why call them idiots? Just because you don’t agree with them?
      Would you like to be called an idiot because you hope that the party you prefer will get more votes than could be realistically expected?
      
      Way below your usual standards, ghost…
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:58am
      - Ghost
        
        Lets see, when they ignore the political landscape, fail to comprehend the damage Seymour was doing during the election and still rabbit on about the party going to score 18 mp’s, be the second major party and get aggressive and abusive towards anyone that didn’t support them, then they are idiots.
        
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        January 25, 2024 11:07am
      - Damocles11
        
        It seems Seymours big failings were saying ACT wouldn’t kowtow to National and not promising to do xxxx about COVID (I’m not sure what the Covidists were wanting but Peters floated their boat & now it’s all gone quiet). He also refused to kowtow to religionists or anyone else in interviews.
        For all of the above, others with axes to grind called Seymour ‘arrogant’ and ‘stupid’.
        I actually respect Seymour for his stances on the above. Why should ACT be just an adjunct of National, and crumple like wet cardboard as soon to Luxon as the election is over? Where Winston flatters potential voters & then folds, I want Seymour to stand strong.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minit he will be taking orders from her.
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    Please please Steve.
    
    The dumbest move he could make is ask her for her optinion on anything – even black jellybeans or Eskimo Pies.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Luxon may already be heeding her advice. She had 6 years of experience you know.
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:49am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I wouldn’t be surprised if he said he admires her.
        Thank Christ for Seymour and Peters .
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:41am
      - Ghost
        
        For someone who posts about how the democrats make stuff up about trump, you sure do make a lot of shit up
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost.
        May already, not is already.
        Slight bit of satire there.
        
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        January 25, 2024 1:58pm
- Ghost
  
  You missed the part that the government is reviewing over the next few months what to do with it
  
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  January 25, 2024 9:33am
- David Garrett
  
  Luxon, Jacinda, but less hair.
  
  Oh, I do like that! Sadly largely true.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:47am
- emmess
  
  Jacinda terror envoy LOL
  Well, she did do a good job terrorising all freedom loving people in this country.
  
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  January 25, 2024 12:24pm
sungsamning

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/23/court-declares-justin-trudeaus-sweeping-actions-suppress-trucker-protests-illegal/
Court Declares Justin Trudeau’s Sweeping Actions To Suppress Trucker Protests Were Illegal.
A federal court in Canada has ruled that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s use of the Emergencies Act against protesters in 2022 was unconstitutional, according to a judicial review released on Tuesday.

Trudeau utilized the Emergencies Act to stop truckers from protesting against the Canadian government’s COVID-19 lockdown restrictions and vaccine mandates. Trudeau’s use of the act was not legal and “not justified,” Federal Court Justice Richard Mosley wrote in the decision, according to the Canadian Constitutional Foundation (CCF). (RELATED: Justin Trudeau Slings More Mud At Trucker Protest: ‘A Few People Shouting And Waving Swastikas’)
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January 25, 2024 8:35am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drf8UBt_-wU
Update: Fani Willis’ Corruption Exposed! Divorce Docs Reveal Scandalous Details.
Unsealed divorce docs expose Fani Willis’ alleged affair with prosecutor Nathan Wade, jeopardizing Trump’s election fraud case in Georgia. Join us as we unravel the scandalous details and navigate the legal drama unfolding in Cobb County Court. Discover the shocking revelations that could impact the political landscape and influence the Trump legal battle.
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January 25, 2024 8:36am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie Pie, in her inimitable way, commented two or three days ago on the name Fani being disallowed in our country.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:09am
- virtualmark
  
  No, that’s not what those documents reveal at all.
  
  It’s clear that Wade is going through a messy divorce. It’s also clear that Wade is not providing his wife’s lawyers with the legal disclosures he’s obligated to provide. So his wife is starting to fling poo. But so far there’s been no evidence provided to show that Fani Willis is involved improperly here. Look, maybe she is, but so far it’s allegations without any evidence or proof.
  
  If Willis was in some way improperly involved with Wade then she would have to stand aside from the Georgia case. But that wouldn’t stop the case, it would just go to another prosecutor. Willis has plenty of other staff with the experience to continue this case.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It happened again. Record breaking?

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2024/01/nikki-haleys-bullsht-trumped-by-record-breaking-night-in-new-hampshire-videos/?
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January 25, 2024 8:42am
- Matt Long
  
  Looks like Haley will stay in for one more state.
  Meanwhile Biden’s democrat opponent attended a Trump rally and found the hatred and deplorables are actually mainly in the Legacy Media and on the left.
  https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-challenger-dean-phillips-attends-new-hampshire-trump-rally-rips-divisive-political-culture
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Haley has embarrassed the hell out of herself just to appease the Democrats bankrolling her.
    I have more chance of winning the POTUS race.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:24am
  - virtualmark
    
    Phillips is a spoiler candidate. So he’s doing spoil-y things. It’s more circus act than serious politics.
    
    Phillips has to be regretting standing down from Congress though. He had a cushy job for life there, and now he’s going to be unemployed in a few weeks time.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  70% of Haley’s voters were tactical voting ‘undeclared’ voters including a whole lot of crypto-democrats trying to nobble Trump. That makes New Hampshire highly anomalous, and yet Trump still won by 11
  
  Trump got vast majority of registered republicans.
  
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  January 25, 2024 12:27pm
  - virtualmark
    
    NH Democrats can’t vote in the NH Republican primary.
    
    NH registered independents can vote in the NH Republican primary.
    
    Looks like Trump won the die-hard MAGA vote, but Haley swept the independents. Lucky for Trump the independents can’t vote in the November Presidential election right?
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:42pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Dems change to ‘undeclared’ as in no disclosure of affiliation.
      This was discussed last night.
      “Democrats are also allowed to switch to undeclared and participate in the Republican primary, but the deadline to do so was Oct. 6. ‘
      They are gaming the system
      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-new-hampshire-primary-first-in-the-nation/
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:16pm
- virtualmark
  
  Steve,
  
  Back in 1992 George H W Bush, the incumbent President, got 58% in the NH primary … and the media said that was a disaster.
  
  In 2024 Donald Trump, seen by MAGA as the “incumbent” President, got 54% in the NH primary … and MAGA-media are saying that’s a stunning victory.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is a MAGA-Media?
    Wow! got a link to this MAGA- Media?
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:14pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Fox News. You may have heard of it. Recently paid out over NZ$1 billion in damages for having pushed Trump’s last set of election lies, but seemingly still prepared to go to the well again for him.
      
      See also … Newsmax, Lindell TV, and whatever Tucker calls what he’s doing now.
      
      And I guess you could also include whatever Bannon’s doing before he has to go to jail soon. And Alex Jones too probably (see damages for him too).
      
      Seems an awful lot of court time there for lying. You sure you trust these guys?
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sigh
        Any chance you will ever mention the lies the Democrats tell?
        Its a long list Mr Russia Russia Russia
        Can we be honest and just acknowledge that both sides have fault?
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:21pm
BeaB

RNZ leads their 6am news with the surprising assertion that the government plans to ‘rewrite the Treaty of Waitangi’.
Then we get one of intrepid reporter Guyon Espiner’s try-hard hit jobs but Casey Costello wipes the floor with his imaginative accusations.
And no action yet on Chief Correspondent John Campbell who nailed his anti-government colours to the mast at TVNZ, totally undermining any credibility he still might have.
Are we expected to take these media clowns seriously?
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January 25, 2024 8:48am
- Burtland
  
  “There speakers criticized the collation for some of its policies including the treaty principles bill. which looks to rewrite the TOW“
  
  RNZ peddling fake news – ACT should demand an apology
  
  RNZ Bulletin 8am at 1:13
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018923323
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:09am
- Damocles11
  
  Blatant lying to the audience is fine it seems. The people concerned obviously have no morals or ethics & just subscribe to the Leftist view that the ends justify the means.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  ‘rewrite the Treaty of Waitangi’.
  
  That’s clearly deliberate disinformation from RNZ.
  
  Will $1uffed or any other self described media orgs run any stories on that ,afterall they’re very keen to “fact check” the likes of Mr Trump’s assertions.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s called ‘gaslighting.’
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

It actually comes as no surprise to me that a few of the girls at tennis think Simeon Brown is quite hot. I hear he’s only 33 as well. He’s going to go a long-way that boy.

Just saying.
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January 25, 2024 8:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  33 is hypothermic .
  He should be 37
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:50am
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Mr Brown’s a bit of a welterweight though.
  I mean, who’d win an arm wrestle – him, or Tory?
  
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  January 25, 2024 1:41pm
nathie

According to Shane Jones it was Maori from other tribes (such as Tūhoe) that was causing offense at the Ratana gathering yesterday.

Ignore the RNZ BS write up at the following link but if one has time have a listen to Jones instead, he pulls apart the activist stirrers and explains to the woke MSM why the Principles need debating.

He talks about how they were a political construct in the first place by Labour/Palmer (so surely if it was good enough for Labour to tinker with them unilaterally surely it is good enough for the new Govt to SEEK PUBLIC INPUT (apologies for the shouting but just making the point that the Govt is being democratic so WTF is the Media doing by taking a radical left wing stance)?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018923327/shane-jones-on-ratana

A couple of other quick points. It was uncritically reported/repeated gleefully yesterday by the MSM that Willie Jackson claimed a speaker called the Govt the “enemy”. Hang on is this the same Willie Jackson who doesn’t speak Maori (well according to his ex-Mrs)?

Or did he mis-translate as we all do if we look up Maori words and phrases – I’ve tried translating emails from maori staffers who are being sincere and positive -but the translation sometimes gives words with negative (and offensive connotations)! Hence why it is virtue signalling to go there (using Maori words/phrases) unless one is extremely confident and fluent in Te Reo!

Another thing. Labour/Hipkins admitted Labour got it wrong yesterday (Hipkins said they didn’t bring non-Maori along with them). So how about the Media focus on Labour’s failings, as it caused division!

Not Nat/ACT/NZF trying to fix decades of Labour stuff-ups, unilateral meddling and sneaky insertion of Treaty “Principles” into the Public Service, Waitangi Tribunal and letting the Courts get away with promoting activist re-interpretations.

As Shane Jones says these areas need to be debated … with the public (Maori and Pakeha and others) learning about what each other finds important to them and needs respecting!

Imagine that a country and people united (not divided a la Labour, Greens, TPM, radical academics and activists and a woke leftie media stirring the pot)!
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January 25, 2024 8:50am
- Matt Long
  
  How can you suggest Willie doesn’t under the true translation of the treaty?
  He understands it better than most; power on the gravy train.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:25am
Grunter

The situation in the Middle East, as expected, has become a ‘water on a fat fire’ scenario. The more bullets & bombs fired, the more the escalation spreads, and the bigger the problem becomes.

Even the demented Biden admits that. But then says they will increase attacks in Yemen…..

“Are they stopping the Houthis? No. Are they going to continue? Yes.”

US President Joe Biden responds after being asked whether airstrikes in Yemen are working.

The same pattern is emerging with Hezbollah and Iran.

There is no strategy here from anyone. Just senseless tit-for-tat killing of civilians. Emotional revenge-fueled elites sending their citizens to a death sentence.

Why would anyone send Kiwis into this nuthouse? Zero impact. Zero upside. Immense downside.
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January 25, 2024 9:20am
- Greenheart
  
  Your usual negative rant devoid of solutions.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:22am
  - Grunter
    
    Greenheart – apologies if you misinterpreted my ‘anti-stupid wars’ rant as negative. But thanks for the reply.
    
    I do agree that I have no solutions to the Middle East mess. In fact, that is my main point – there are no solutions. The killing will continue to escalate. There are millions of crazy radical Muslims all over the world watching live TV as Israel/US/UK etc blow up their Muslim mates. These are extremely religious people who don’t care if they die. So what do you think they are plotting right now across the world?
    
    Hence the ‘fat fire’ analogy which is the only realistic way of describing what Biden and Netanyahu have led us into. Of course, they didn’t start the fire, but they sure as hell are making it worse by the day.
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:43am
  - David Garrett
    
    Greenheart: Mate, if YOU have a solution to the Palestinian problem you will immediately win a Nobel Peace prize, and be beatified by the Pope.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:05pm
    - mawm
      
      Simple – turn the ME to glass and then repopulate with the same from all the Western countries. Rinse and repeat.
      
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      January 25, 2024 4:20pm
- kowtow
  
  The worst thing I see in this Whack a Yemeni business is how so many NZers , including the PM and many so called commentators can’t pronounce ‘Houthi’ properlike and say “Who tee” .
  
  Fark , get it right. Then whack ’em.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:10am
  - Max Mansplain
    
    He did a good job with the blowfish
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:52pm
- waikatosinger
  
  You assume Biden doesn’t want war in the middle east. He does, or to be more accurate the military-industrial complex that is running him does.
  
  You have to use up weapons to justify buying new ones. Why else do you think he left all that military materiel in Afghanistan. With Trump in power and peace breaking out around the world the weapons-makers were losing their market.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:23am
  - Grunter
    
    I agree – ‘The Biden Tele-Prompter’, obviously does want war. But often Biden trips over his feet and says things not on the screen.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:09pm
- Damocles11
  
  They are not stopping ‘the Houthis’ (read ‘Iranian proxies’) *yet* but eventually the strikes will probably wear those militants down. But a key reason for the strikes is to show all bad actors out there that they will not be allowed to attack international shipping with impunity and face no consequences.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:37am
  - Grunter
    
    I have no confidence that the US/UK missiles will wear down the Houthis. They didn’t in Afghanistan and that went for 20 years.
    
    Yemen has sometimes been called “the Afghanistan of the Middle East” because it is an impoverished tribal society that is well-armed, situated on mountainous terrain. I’ve never been there, but I have been to Saudi which was a fly-blown hell hole, so I’m picking Yemen is not a nice place. If you live there, by default you must be a very resilient person.
    
    So what is different this time around?
    
    I get the idea/urge to show them some consequences, but if the next-level consequences of that action make the situation even worse, then that’s a dumb move.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:21pm
    - Damocles11
      
      ‘Next level consequences’ of bad actors attacking international shipping with impunity are far worse. We’ve seen what happens when global supply chains are seriously disrupted.
      
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      January 25, 2024 5:32pm
- Maggie's partner
  
  we are sending people there as part of the effort to keep the Red Sea open as a shipping route. Currently it’s down around 60%. This means longer, more expensive routes are being used, which hardly helps in the fight against inflation. Plus the Panama canal is not operating at full capacity due to low water levels in the flotation lakes.
  So making the Red Sea safe is actually very important – unless you fancy twin peak inflation as we had in the 70s / 80s
  
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  January 25, 2024 1:41pm
  - Grunter
    
    I agree having a safe Red Sea is very important. But since the US/UK have started firing millisles the shipping situation has worsened – as expected.
    
    Less ships are going through now than ever before.
    
    The only ones the Houthis are letting thru are Russian and Chinese ships.
    
    Insurance companies are saying “too dangerous”.
    
    So how on earth does “more bombs” fix this??
    
    It’s a mess that’s getting bigger each week.
    
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    January 25, 2024 2:33pm
cmm

When you throw up, there’s always diced carrots.
When there’s a murder there’s always a Commodore…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-homicide-police-make-arrest-in-relation-to-david-bridgwaters-killing/A3PIAP6UU5EQ7G4TXE7AVJ2UZE/
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January 25, 2024 9:29am
Maggie Pie

Could definately see ClarkE cracking a bottle of Dom last nite
and them both raising a toast to Luxo.
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January 25, 2024 9:29am
I remember when

Why is it that ‘indigenous’ people are always disadvantaged?
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January 25, 2024 9:38am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  ‘When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.’
  Thomas Sowell
  
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  January 25, 2024 12:58pm
I remember when

What the TV political commentators didn’t, forgot to mention last night.
Crowds at Ratana smaller than usual.
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January 25, 2024 9:48am
- BeaB
  
  We are never given the actual numbers unless it suits the media agenda. Just like the wildly differing estimates of the numbers at the Tainui hui. Mihi Forbes announced 12,000. Others said much, much less. We’ll never know because they don’t want us to know.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:01am
  - nathie
    
    They catered for 6,000 people so can’t believe the MSM attendance numbers were 10,000 (oh so 12,000 now according to Forbes? Come in John Campbell do we now have 14,000, do I hear 16,000, wait thank you 18,000, going once, going twice….?).
    
    So reckoned 6,000 attended …. otherwise 4,000-6,000 people (if it were 10,000-12,000) didn’t get to eat that day unless they packed some sandwiches but why bother when it was announced the host would be providing the catering (which is the Maori way – it would be an insult not to)!
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Fair to say the numbers were provided by the elite but the 10,000 or 12,000 was doubtful when only 4000 ate in the tents and 2000 ate outside. The size of the individuals in the mob would indicate that they eat plenty and would happily que for a free feed. However to paraphrase Billie Ray Cyrus song “some ate all” which is highly unlikely.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:15pm
pdm

Why has Tony Lee racing commentator in the Central Districts area been given the Bums Rus?

As far as I can see from a facebook thread this is a TAB decision without any public announcements other than from individual racing clubs thanking Tony for his 40 odd years service.

It has not gone down well in the racing fraternity and it is past time TAB Management fronted.

Meanwhile I hope Tony Lee got a bloody great pay out in acknowledgement of his services.

I also wonder what lesser quality commentator will take over from him. George Simon will be a busy boy covering all of the big meetings – or will he be next to go.
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January 25, 2024 10:04am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Tony Lee’s termination as a race caller is very perplexing.
  Possibly of interest to readers of this blog; I had seen a Tv broadcast of a race from Montreal where the commentator switched from French to English and back to French, every 200 metres. I asked George Simon (Tainui) if he could try something similar at an Otaki Maori Racing Club’s meeting.
  No way!, was the response.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:21am
  - Jethrod
    
    The TAB is going to save money by adopting AI for the race calls.
    
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    January 25, 2024 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

I was under the impression that about 10 years ago, it was intended to completely faze out ‘Battery Cages’ by January 2023, actually making them illegal.
Looks like some people never got the memo….

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1750209749491286205
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January 25, 2024 10:10am
- greybeard
  
  Preferable to the “free range” inhabitants of Queen St, Courtenay Place et al.
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:13am
Tomtoddy

A useful resource – https://everythingclimate.com/
Basic and factual.
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January 25, 2024 10:27am
I remember when

I found the Afghanistan runout decision rather interesting in that it wasn’t in line with previous incidents of this type.
At the time when the bowler would have been in the process of bowling the New Zealand batsman had his bat behind the crease.
The bat only slid out of the crease after the delivery would have been completed.
The bowler went through the action of bowling the ball then turned around and broke the stumps.
Should it have been a wide, no ball or even a ‘dead ball’ situation?
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January 25, 2024 10:32am
Fisiani2

Wellington Council has a choice
1. Fix the 44% water leaks
2. Build the unwanted Karori cycleway removing 400 car parks. Opposed by the majority of Karori

The Council opts for 2. because they want to reduce car usage.
Councils need to fix the water pipes.
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January 25, 2024 10:36am
- Inandout
  
  Fis, voters had options but they chose the staus quo. You can’t fix stupid.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:09am
  - Fisiani2
    
    Voters never voted for the expensive unwanted proposed cycleway. We all want the leaks fixed
    
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    January 25, 2024 11:49am
    - grumpy
      
      Yes they did! What else were the idiots they voted into Council ever going to do?
      
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      January 25, 2024 3:42pm
- cmm
  
  ” Councils need to fix the water pipes.”
  
  Why? The voters don’t want them fixed.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:47am
Ghost

A good interview, people should actually listen to what Seymour is trying to say to you, becuase many are reading the media and ignoring what he is actually saying

Seymour says Luxon is being ‘open’ over Treaty Principles Bill | TVNZ Breakfast
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January 25, 2024 10:39am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Totally agree.
  The MSM have him destroying the TOW
  Seymour is just stating that the priciples should be tidied up and codified.
  He is of course correct because at present the ‘principles’ can mean what ever anyone wants them to mean on any day, any time and depending on mood or money required.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:05am
  - Burtland
    
    the treaty is in maori so only maori can decodify the principles
    or
    the treaty is a partnership, we need to check with the partner what it means
    
    etc etc etc
    
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    January 25, 2024 1:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Treaty is in Maori, yes. Translate from the English “Littlewood Draft.”
      
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      January 25, 2024 2:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You get more Treaty information on this Blog than you will ever get from the shit NZ media.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:18pm
- Grunter
  
  IMO, Seymour has the Treaty narrative nailed from a low emotion, logical perspective. He quietly lets the silly TVNZ reporter waffle on with silly slogans and then responds in a very controlled manner.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mihingarangi Forbes? Yes!
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:17pm
- Piniwi
  
  Not just Seymore Ghost as all media seem to avoid actual pictorial and hence audio reporting and instead write what they think they heard or wanted to hear. Or thread their intended narrative into an interview then frame the question in a statement seeking a yes no answer. David Seymore handles that well and sticks to the real line.
  
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  January 25, 2024 3:24pm
BeaB

I agree with Wayne Brown about crossings. In Hamilton the same thing. Hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted on huge humps in the road, many dangerously close to roundabouts where drivers’ attention is on approaching traffic. Paula ‘Slow down Hamilton’ Southgate, the mayor, then has the cheek to impose a 25% increase in rates.
We used to have great, open, quick ring roads and main thoroughfares. Now they are a nightmare of humps and bumps, jutting out bus stops, unused cycling lanes, barriers, lights, huge roundabouts and confusing signage. All accompanied by hundreds of orange cones and empty buses spewing out exhaust fumes. Congestion and traffic back-ups as we have never seen before. God knows how anyone gets any business done.
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January 25, 2024 10:50am
- Damocles11
  
  Stand by for a new Simon Wilson hit-piece on Brown.
  
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  January 25, 2024 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are some great thinkers in Hamilton.
  They designed a few large roundabouts as you come in from the north. Great. Then they plant trees and bushes in the middle.
  How the hell is a driver supposed to read the roundabout when you can’t see on the other side? Give way to you right sure, but you don’t see that vehicle on the right until it is20 meters away.
  Great thinking!
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:16pm
  - miltonF
    
    If you think that’s bad you should try the new roundabout in Wellington on state highway 2 at Haywards. There is a large concrete barrier blocking all view of the roundabout. You can’t view any traffic until you enter it. (Coming off an 100kmh road too) Expecting there will be a few accidents at this location.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The reason is to slow you down to the speed limit.
      Also stops potholes developing. Te Rapa straight has lights now – you have to slow down you Council knuckle draggers.
      
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      January 25, 2024 7:22pm
Yvette

In the video accompanying the article “Auckland’s Albert Park and surrounding area reopens, person arrested after ‘concerning comments’ made” –
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/01/police-officers-block-roads-around-auckland-university-of-technology.html
– who are the men dressed grey shirts with logos on the short sleeves, and black trousers, assisting the armed policewoman in the first location shot?
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January 25, 2024 11:14am
- lifesgood
  
  If it’s good enough to claim mental health problems for shop lifting then surely this guy can claim mental health problems, in fact I would think he genuinely has them, not like a certain other pretender.
  
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  January 25, 2024 12:54pm
- PeeJay
  
  The guys in grey t-shirts will be staff from the Art Gallery, possibly security staff, helping to guide the visitors to the Art Gallery away from the cordon.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:07pm
  - Yvette
    
    Yes, thank you, they do appear from a gallery website, to be their security staff. I was just wondering who were helping police do their work.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:20pm
cmm

Gang scum attack people in hospitals. One has been taken into custody.

I’ll place my standard bet of 50 cents and a servo pie that nothing significant happens to this individual.

Gangs are an extremely expensive social/cultural experiment. $6M per year just for additional security in 4 hospitals. If we really believe the numbers (that there are around 9000-odd gang members and 3000-odd in prison, leaving 6000-odd on the streets), then they are costing us $1000 each just for this extra security in hospitals.

$millions here, $millions there… for what? Absolutely no benefit to society.

It is time for society to say no more. Chance of getting Luxon the Luvvie to do anything? About zero.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mongrel-mob-gang-members-attack-christchurch-hospital-emergency-department-staffer/ZYEJUPPS7ZCTBGXTH3EISAXM3E/
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January 25, 2024 11:25am
- Hard Cheese
  
  If there was one consultant I’d be more than happy for the government to hire it would be the president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele. Plenty of Latin American countries looking to replicate what he’s done with gangs, apparently Ecuador is next cab off the rank.
  
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  January 25, 2024 4:59pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

The Treaty principles are pretty clearly that in Article 2, that Maori get to keep all their possessions.
And Article 3 is about the common rights of citizenship. The duties part…meh.
Therefore, what is theirs (Maori) is 100% theirs ….and half of all the rest of everything belongs to them is well (ergo, partnership).
“Gibsmedat.”
Even those pipes in the ground that didn’t exist in 1840.
“Gimme gimme, you racist coloniser!…& what have you ever done for us?” {hat tip to Monty Python’s Life of Brian}.
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January 25, 2024 11:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Article three.
  ” In return for the cession of their sovereignty to the Queen, the people of NZ shall be protected by the Queen of England and the rights of British subjects will be granted to them.”
  Pages 7 and 8 in the stop co-governance booklet.
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:29pm
- Yvette
  
  Fuzzysnuggleduck, what is theirs (Maori) is 100% theirs….and half of all the rest of everything belongs to them is well (ergo, partnership).
  
  What is theirs (Maori) is 100% theirs.
  But the other status, Article 3, is that Maori have equal British citizenship – one person, one vote (or now under MMP, one person, 2 votes).
  But equality is with other citizens, not with the Crown (then Queen Victoria).
  There are not two suns in the sky; just one, as they understood the position to be – well, some of Maori did
  
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  January 25, 2024 3:31pm
sirknz

Oh look, the usual suspects involved in assaulting a security guard in a Christchurch ED.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mongrel-mob-gang-members-attack-christchurch-hospital-emergency-department-staffer/ZYEJUPPS7ZCTBGXTH3EISAXM3E/

This needs to be automatic jailtime for those involved in physically attacking or intimidating service workers.
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January 25, 2024 12:01pm
Maggie Pie

The idea that the pressures of Parliament drive people to bad behaviour, or that mental health challenges are an explanation for that behaviour, or that we should hold women of color to lower standards, is offensive.

These are excuses.

– Karen Chour. ACT MP

https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350155666/we-are-defined-not-our-race-or-sex-our-character

I see BOTH Kiri and Golriz are due in Court next month. Whats their excuse?
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January 25, 2024 12:01pm
- cmm
  
  Well that is exactly what multiple years of affirmative action, “equity” etc have brought us – holding various people to lower standards because… fairness or something.
  
  Whether that is letting them in to university with lower grades or lowering the fitness standards required for women in the police and army, special concessions for (insert bunch of people). we can continue to expect continued lowering of standards.
  
  Apparently the human body Maori doctors deal with is less complex, women on the battle field encounter more benign conditions than men and so on.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:37pm
In Vino Veritas

I have decided to call my arsehole “Te Anau Kaiiwi”. Mainly because my family have said in the past that it has an essence of its own. And after reading Māori cultural and tikanga expert Karaitiana Taiuru’s explanation that rivers have a mauri or a life essence inside them, it seemed to fit absolutely perfectly. And will surely give me some serious virtue signaling creds.
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January 25, 2024 1:17pm
- Damocles11
  
  You’ve committed the NZ version of burning a certain holy book. Words have lives and feelings don’t you know. I just hope the Cultural Police don’t get you.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:34pm
Jack5

Glock pistols on way out?

Glocks are pistols most have heard of, like the cowboy’s fabled “forty-five,” but they are being overtaken in the American military and police forces.

The new hand gun is the Sig Sauer XM17.

“Glock” is a great word for headline writers. Short, and punchy. What shorthand name will the scribblers create for the new pistol of choice?

Two short videos for interested bloggers with minutes to spare:

1. Why the world is moving on from Glock.

https://youtu.be/Dz0dFfQoZiQ?si=1zt13IKxVnvcQwNx

2. Why the US Army is replacing Glocks with a Sig Sauer.

https://youtu.be/mxOBy4xzg7Y?si=kbKV0T32_O9953Jw
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January 25, 2024 1:19pm
- virtualmark
  
  All branches of the US military are moving to the M17 (full-size) and M18 (compact). It’s also sold privately as the Sig-Sauer P320. But the roll-out has struck some problems with the Sig not working well with some of the US military ammunition.
  
  But they’re mainly replacing a Beretta, the M9. I say mainly because the US military has over a dozen different handguns in official use, let alone the large number of unique choices in units like the SEALs.
  
  Many US special forces do use a Glock though, the Glock 19. It’s slimmer and smaller than the M9. I understand those units may not move to the Sig-Sauer.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    You’re right, Virtualmark. I stand corrected on the pistol the US Army is moving from.
    
    Firearms enthusiasts who follow Kiwiblog might help explain what to a layman looks like the relative decline of the great American gun makers?
    
    Colt now Czech-owned; Remington, broken up; Smith and Wesson, surviving a short period of British ownership, soldiering on, and, with Sturm Ruger, holding about a third of the American market.
    
    School massacres, court cases, publicity, seem to have created a tough environment for the industry.
    
    But why do the foreign makers seemingly thrive in the North American market?
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:11pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      There’s very little advancement in guns in last 50 years other than fancy sighting add ons. At the end of the day guns are pretty simple and existing designs are pretty close to optimal, and there’s very little to be gained from development.
      
      Caseless bullets would be a big thing if they could be made to work reliably – lighter (ammunition weighing as little as 1/2th), more compact guns with no case ejection mechanism required. They’ll likely make it into service eventually – if nothing else it will save on increasingly expensive copper.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Small_Arms_Technologies
      
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      January 25, 2024 6:00pm
      - cmm
        
        Lighter caseless ammo only provides an advantage if soldiers are going to carry piles of ammo on foot for days and days. No modern army really works like that. Mechanised infantry seldom walk more a couple of hundred metres from their vehicles.
        Rather, reliability is king.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:33pm
  - rouppe
    
    I’m not a firearm officiando, but in a conversation I had recently with some folk that use these types of things, they said the Glock 19 is a bit weak. When you want to put someone down, the Glock 17 is the way to go.
    
    The general size is about the same, but because the ammunition is bigger (hence the reduced capacity) the target don’t get up again.
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:38pm
    - cmm
      
      Mostly keyboard warrior stuff. Put a few if any centrefire bullets into someone and they generally don’t ask for more.
      Yes a 45ACP or 10mm make bigger holes than a 9mm, but generally the person being shot at doesn’t get academic about it.
      
      Unless you are highly proficient and larger bodied, 45ACP and 10mm are also harder to control. Most people will shoot more accurately, and faster, with a 9mm.
      
      Sure, 10mm stopping power is superior bullet for bullet, but three hits with a 9mm has more stopping power than two hits with a 10mm.
      
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      January 25, 2024 7:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        True
        To control larger calibers and be accurate you need a heavier Frame to absorb the recoil.
        Glocks are light(polymer frame?) so being easier to control and that also means more rounds with less weight to lug around.
        The traditional Police firearm was the Smith Model 19 .357 on a K Frame which is quite heavy and accordingly easier to handle the recoil.
        But as you say, a Glock is lighter so its easier to fire a few 9mm being a lighter load, so easier to control and have the advantage of 17-19 Rounds to fire.
        As an aside one of my friends Police Sergeant (now retired) was a firearms instructor. He said most cops need to be within 10 feet away to even be sure you will actually hit anything. Even then it was uncertain. Adrenaline and all that.
        
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        January 25, 2024 9:58pm
    - virtualmark
      
      AFAIK the Glock 19 is just a compact version of the original Glock 17? Same basic action, just a slightly shorter barrel and shorter handgrip? There’s also a Glock 26 which is even more compact again.
      
      The new Sig-Sauer has a similar thing with the full-size M17 and then the more compact M18.
      
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      January 25, 2024 10:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes, they are both 9mm Luger
        There is a difference in barrel length but thats pretty much all.
        One of my friends in Dallas just bought his wife a Sig P 365.
        Very compact and effective.
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:12pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      I’m something of a military technology enthusiast, strictly keyboard warrior stuff, but there has been an interesting trend in handguns away from the larger heavier calibers in one way over the last generation.
      NATO called for an alternative to the 9mm Parabellum when they realized that their second line troops may end up facing enemies (Soviet paratroopers for example) equipped with body armor while armed only with a pistol or SMG.
      FN came up with the 5.7X28mm for that role, smaller diameter and a much higher velocity to defeat body armor.
      So that’s driving some of the big changes in firearms over the last generation. Kevlar.
      
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      January 26, 2024 3:11am
- artemisia
  
  Jack Carr’s fiction is heavy on gun technicals for those interested. Not just standard issues. James Reece series. Fairly recent geopolitical thrillers.
  
  The author has to submit his work to the US DoD before publication, varying levels of redaction required.
  
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  January 25, 2024 6:40pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I did a short post a while ago when Gaston Glock died. Bloody impressive story:
  
  Glock developed the famous handgun in the 1980s, when the Austrian military was looking for a new, innovative weapon. Until then, the Glock company had made military knives and consumer goods including curtain rods.
  …
  Considering the vastly greater depth of experience and contacts those other gun companies had that’s a very impressive piece of business and technology development by Glock:
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:09pm
Maggie Pie

SHEESH! What’s with all these SEXUAL DEVIANTS in Christchurch?

https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/naked-man-playing-with-himself-disgusts-foo-figher-concert-goers

Police have been contacted for comment.
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January 25, 2024 2:01pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  He is a foreigner, his name is Tony (Tiny) Schlongg.
  
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  January 25, 2024 2:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hmmm. I may have met him once 😀
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:12pm
- Ron Jeremy
  
  Must have got sun stroke the weather down here’s been beautiful .
  
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  January 25, 2024 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Not so much the Party, just that the leader is ‘woke.’

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/what-some-of-our-supporters-are-saying-about-their-disappointment-with-national/
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January 25, 2024 2:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Treaty.
A lot are fobbing off David Seymour. Why?
Is it because he is NOT woke?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/debate-we-need-to-have-seymour-urges-kiwis-to-keep-open-minds-about-treaty-bill/ar-BB1hcYeE
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January 25, 2024 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

Wheelchair-bound retard, whose alleged comment to a woman in Albert Park yesterday that resulted in the close down of a large area of Auckland’s CBD for nearly 2 hours, inconveniencing thousands of people and costing Businesses millions of dollars, could face a fine not exceeding $2000.

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1750332155883045355

Yet another legacy of Labor’s 6 years in government.
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January 25, 2024 3:10pm
- MCōs
  
  Nothing to do with Labor (sic)
  Sean Clifford Nicholas has a violent criminal record going back to 2013 as outlined in this article from 2017
  Maybe there’s more in the interim
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/99660402/sean-clifford-nicholas-sentenced-to-14-months-in-prison-for-bomb-threat
  
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  January 25, 2024 3:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    Nicholas is not retarded, but
    “suffered from fibromyalgia, a disease which caused widespread pain, which seemed to explain why he chose to use a wheelchair.”
    
    “Crown prosecutor Erin Woolley told the court that while Nicholas suffered from mental health issues his offending needed to result in a prison sentence.”
    
    Not much sympathy there . . . .
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:34pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’d not heard of fibromyalgia so I looked it up and it sounds very unpleasant
      Apparently it reasonably common in NZ
      https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fibromyalgia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354780
      
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      January 25, 2024 3:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is also one of those syndromes that is elusive of a determining cause or diagnostic indicators.
        
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        January 25, 2024 4:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        It is unpleasant, but alternative treatments can help a bit.
        
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        January 25, 2024 5:18pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Hmmmm! Interesting!
      
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      January 25, 2024 4:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What do you mean… ‘nothing to do with Labor (sick)’
    
    Who was Min-of-Justice when he received a 14 MONTH jail sentence in December 2017 for making a bomb threat?
    With his history, anywhere else he would have got 14 years!!
    
    I really really love your contributions here Cossie and always uptic you, but in the last 6 years you’ve become a bit of a soft-c*ck.
    
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    January 25, 2024 3:36pm
- cmm
  
  To be fair, he didn’t shut down Auckland. The cops did.
  If they had gone in a bit harder they could have sorted it all out in 10 minutes.
  
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  January 25, 2024 7:26pm
- Jake Dee
  
  I don’t want to be a grammar Nazi (heck maybe I do) but shouldn’t,
  “Man whose alleged comments sparked Auckland CBD chaos appears in court”
  actually be,
  Man who allegedly made the comments that sparked Auckland CBD chaos appear in court” ?
  
  Go out and try to make some alleged comments, go on, I dare you.
  
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  January 26, 2024 3:24am
Gravelroad

Question re $tuff quizzes:
Elderly friend has enjoyed doing these quizzes but says now you have to “sign up” and “log in”.
Does anyone know what this entails?
Friend just wants to do the quizzes without having to divulge personal information such as an email address which might then result in constant adverts and demands for money being sent directly via email.
Obviously $tuff can’t manage their finances just with the bulk advertising already present on their site, and ordinary readers shouldn’t expect free quizzes I guess, but what are they signing up to please?
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January 25, 2024 3:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Find out the type of quizzes they like and find them another site or if they use a mobile device set up a free app for them.
  
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  January 25, 2024 4:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s usually loads of quiz/puzzle books available for a few $ in second-hand book stores.
    
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    January 25, 2024 4:51pm
- rouppe
  
  You’ll need to supply an email address and a few bits of stuff. Set up a completely new Hotmail or Yahoo or similar account. Use that to register with a ficticious name. Or your real one, whatever.
  
  Sign up and log in using that. You’ll never look at the Hotmail account again and the details are bogus anyway.
  
  When stuff went through its phase of banning people at the drop of a hat, that’s the strategy I used.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:08pm
  - rouppe
    
    I should say: once you have gone through Stuff’s verify your email palaver using that Hotmail account you’ll never look at it again…
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:56pm
- Damocles11
  
  You are a target market. Sign up, and you’ll join the numbers that will be shopped to advertisers as people seriously engaging with their site. Plus you’ll be a target as a potential subscriber when they eventually put all their content behind a paywall.
  Do not support the lying, activist, Leftist media.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:45pm
Albie

Ghost, Lovatts is a free quiz and puzzle site. No signing up required.
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January 25, 2024 4:44pm
- Damocles11
  
  I love the cryptics there. Do the daily cryptic every morning.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:41pm
Swifty

“And on the third day God created the Remington bolt-action rifle….”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zbrHRdr6C8

Amen!
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January 25, 2024 4:50pm
rouppe

I read the conveniently leaked letter ostensibly from Rob Campbell to Shane Reti in nz Herald.

What I noticed was that in a single conversation about health I saw all of: Manatū Hauora; Pae Ora; Te Aka Whai Ora; Whānau Ora; Te Whatu Ora;

To me, that is the symptom of the problem. Too many fucking ora’s and not enough actual health.
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January 25, 2024 5:02pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s leak season, I see there is one today about tobacco, Casey Costello should have been open straight away and said I’m looking at all options.
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:23pm
  - riffer
    
    Methinks Casey Costello may find she’s the first of a bunch of resignations in this government. Ministers can’t tell lies and continue in their job.
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:58pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, I agree, it’s a bad look.
      
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      January 25, 2024 6:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lies, Jaspinda did, until they caught up with her.
      
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      January 25, 2024 7:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So what do you think is a good daily fine for a nicotine addict?
      
      Is 56.90/day too cheap; should we be charging the poor suckas $70 a packet of 20?
      
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      January 25, 2024 7:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        She needed to be upfront Maggy, not lie. Own that she asked for this
        
        “I’ve had no discussions on that at all. Like, that’s – it’s not even something I specifically sought advice on,” she said. “I haven’t looked at a freeze on the excise at all.”
        
        The document sent to Costello asks: “whether you would like advice in January 2024 to include implications of a three year freeze on CPI-related excise increases for smoked tobacco.” The ‘yes’ option is circled in the document, which was signed by Costello on December 20, 2023.
        
        Article
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am one of the lucky ones. After 45 years I gave up – or no neck surgery. (Cervical dissection and fusion C5 C6 C7.)
        Today’s rates at 25 per day is saving me thousands! Any addiction is gone when you have a reason.
        To those who smoke – keep paying the tax, otherwise the non-smokers will have to pay.
        I really don’t mean that in a bad way.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:32pm
    - Jack5
      
      Riffer, you’re talking Leftist rubbish.
      
      Your mob lost. Accept the people’s will and move on.
      
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      January 25, 2024 9:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        Jack, do you find it acceptable for the Associate Minister of health to lie? I don’t, I expect more from them this, and we should demand more from them. Be honest about what you are doing, don’t hide, that’s the crap labour do. If people accept this behaviour then they are hypocrites
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:13pm
- kevn
  
  rouppe… Truly an aura of political interference. Someone named Campbell with an axe to grind.
  
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  January 25, 2024 6:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nikki Haley is delusional.
People are going to get sick of Trump winning. IMO the left will start rioting way before Nov 5th.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-sweeps-new-hampshire-primary-but-haley-says-race-is-far-from-over/ss-BB1hbAjD?
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January 25, 2024 5:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Tonnes of people are saying Nikki is toast!
  She’s a RHINO. A uniparty stooge.
  
  And did you know her real name is….. Nimarata Randhawa?
  
  https://twitter.com/Cav1Cav/status/1748678152828645561
  
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  January 25, 2024 5:35pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, I thought she looked either Indian or Apache but didn’t know she was a changling.
    
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    January 25, 2024 5:58pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Yes, definately Indian. Her parents were from Calcutta I believe.
      
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      January 25, 2024 6:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, they’re from rural Punjab, then onto Amritsar… before emigrating to Canada….. then to USA.
        
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        January 25, 2024 6:52pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        In year 12 we had an Indian exchange-student in our dorm from the Punjab.
        Thort she was a bit special. We nick-named her ‘Fukra’
        Never kept in touch after she went bak.
        
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        January 25, 2024 7:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Nikki Haley’s parents were Sikh, but she converted to Christianity.
        
        https://americankahani.com/perspectives/why-nikki-haleys-conversion-to-christianity-makes-her-suspect-in-the-eyes-of-both-christians-and-non-christians/
        
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        January 25, 2024 10:03pm
  - MCōs
    
    Her name is Nimarata Nikki Haley because she married Michael Haley
    She was born Nimarata Nikki Randhawa
    Most women, especially those of a socially conservative disposition, change their surname when they marry
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    RINO*
    
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    January 25, 2024 7:33pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Seems any Republican not named Donald Trump is given the label ‘RINO’ eventually, and the ardent Trump fans enthusiastically join the pile on. It’s interesting because for parts of his life Trump supported the Democrats and at others he was an Independent. When it suited his political purposes he became a Republican. Then imagine someone who has been a Republican their whole life now being labelled a ‘RINO’, just because they aren’t Donald Trump. This thing where Trump has to always be the head Republican, seemingly ‘by right’, and it’s ‘disloyal’ to challenge him….it’s not good.
    
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    January 25, 2024 9:59pm
Ghost

Don’t think I’ve heard that excuse before

A long-time criminal and meth addict who was arrested after an 11-month-old was rushed to hospital has told a judge the boy’s injuries were an accident – the result of him falling out of his motorised wheelchair and on to the baby while attempting to travel down a hill.

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January 25, 2024 7:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

60 plus injuries? Then home detention?
Do wheelchairs not fit through jail doors?
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January 25, 2024 7:06pm
Ghost

Oh hell no

The Federal Aviation Administration is looking for recruits with ‘severe intellectual’ disabilities as it tries to hit woke DEI targets.

The agency is hunting people with psychiatric issues and other mental and physical conditions in its latest diversity drive.

The FAA, which includes jobs such as air traffic controllers, are keen to employ those with hearing and vision impairments, missing limbs, partial and complete paralysis.

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January 25, 2024 7:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Ghost: “The Federal Aviation Administration is looking for recruits with ‘severe intellectual’ disabilities”
  
  This has to be a joke??? Have we reached peak insanity yet?
  
  I’m waiting for airlines to make statements that they reject DEI and prioritise safety and competence instead. Too hard?
  
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  January 25, 2024 10:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    Put them in charge of Boeing planes then every accident can be blamed on the plane.
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:18pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I note Elon’s tweets against this insanity. Imagine if he ran for Prez. THAT would be a wild ride!
    
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    January 25, 2024 10:20pm
kevn

bidens winning strategy…
https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/fda-studied-science-of-cannabis-and-said-it-should-be-reclassified-while-us-issues-pardon-to-every-american-whos-ever-used-it/
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January 25, 2024 7:20pm
- Ghost
  
  Bugger, that rules the Biden’s out, need to include an amnesty for cocaine…..
  
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  January 25, 2024 7:27pm
- kevn
  
  On that theme… UK.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13001483/PETER-HITCHENS-no-wonder-mentally-ill-killers-large-Britain-streets-stink-cannabis.html
  
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  January 25, 2024 7:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sem that Joe does not even know where the border is – or which Country the part wall separates.
  It is so sad that the Democrats use this very sick man to push the anti-Trump agenda.
  Not just sad, it is so disgusting that the Democrats do this.
  
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  January 25, 2024 7:39pm
Inandout

SO, it has been reported that Biden is MIA and hasn’t been out in public since late December. He is due to speak somewhere tomorrow so we shall wait breathlessly.
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January 25, 2024 8:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Here’s Biden today. YouTube
  
  Here’s Biden yesterday YouTube
  
  Here’s Biden 6 days ago YouTube
  
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  January 25, 2024 8:25pm

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