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February 29, 2024 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Warren

When will Labour, the Media and Journalists come to the conclusion that it’s their fault that Newshub are about to fold, they can’t see that it’s them that had to change their ways to make the public supporters instead of enemies and bring back the the publics view on how they inform the public on many topics especially politics on a daily basis.
The media are biggots and instead of informing those that want to hear the truth on what’s going on, they give their own view and create a hate for themselves because people believe they are biased in their view which is hard to deny because of their attitude towards the public.
I will show my bias here by saying it’s their own fault any have lost their jobs and I have no sympathy for them as they thought they were untouchable or she’s right the Government will bail us out, but boy did they make a mistake.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/christopher-luxon-winston-peters-david-seymour-chris-hipkins-and-others-react-to-shock-newshub-closure-news.html
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February 29, 2024 8:00am
- Lee C
  
  Newshub going has had , nor will it have any impact on me experientially, emotionally, animally or minerally. It’s just one less thing I might see by accident maybe once a year when I visit a friend’s house
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:52pm
Luke Piewalker

I write this a someone who used to spend around $500,000 a year on advertising in the MSM. I now spend zero in the MSM.

Watching the MSM have a meltdown shows me:

They have tried to shovel their activism down our throats and by doing so they have alienated their readers/viewer but seem to be genuinely unaware of this fact.

They lack any self awareness of how bad their products is.

To the media. This is a self inflicted own goal.

As an advertiser – you didn’t listen to me. You know – the one paying for advertising. I now spend my money where my customers are.

And they ain’t in the MSM.

THAT is why you are going broke.
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February 29, 2024 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Yes they do listen to the people that hold the purse strings.
  
  When they were getting our money (thanks Cindy), they were listening to her.
  
  But in doing so they alienated everyone else. Now that the Cindy trough has dried up they all fail.
  
  I think there was (and still is) some arrogance in the MSM believing they had (and to an extent still have) a monopoly on communication, news, etc. and that they were in control. They failed to adapt to the new world with internet and a far more level playing field.
  
  Never mind, those that can’t adapt will fade away…
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:39am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yup. The countless millions spent on government propaganda, branding and promotion prevented Newshub from holding the government to account. They sold out their integrity and their viewers have left. Lefty elites and academics are not a big enough demographic for advertisers apparently. Who could have seen that coming?
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “The survival of the fittest.”
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:56am
    - igm
      
      Survival of the “Honest”.
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:21pm
    - kowtow
      
      Under the socialist system , those “laws” become over thrown.
      
      Now it’s survival of the fattest . These are the ones closest to and with exclusive use of the trough , ( through state funding etc) and they do very well indeed .
      
      Even out of power the get big deals and their backs scratched by the new controllers or indeed sinecures in academia ……..on pay waaaaay beyond the average Piglets imagination.
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:23pm
      - Damocles11
        
        That explains why Robbo is doing so well. Bureaucrats & academics love marxism / socialism; the poor old ‘proletariat’ won’t get much out of it, the dynamic entrepreneurial hard-working types won’t get much out of it, but our new ‘benevolent’ (yeah, right) overlords will be set up quite nicely with all the power and wealth imaginable.
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:34pm
- Damocles11
  
  As I continue to monitor the fall out from one pillar of the MSM crumbling to dust, I clicked on the ‘Stuff’ website to be met with an immediate appeal for a donation. Main header: ‘Support Stuffs mission to make Aotearoa a better place’. Supporting statement: ‘Your contribution will help power our journalism, so we can have an even bigger impact in Kiwi communities.’
  They want either $20 a month or $200 a year out of me.
  I might support a media company intent on delivering news to New Zealanders, but I won’t support a bunch of woke activists intent on a campaign of information manipulation and ‘social justice’ propagandising in a mythical place called Aotearoa.
  The fact that ‘Stuff’ imagine themselves to be on some grandiose country-shaping mission shows that the organisation and the people within it have lost touch with reality. It’s shades of Don Quixote and his equally futile crusade.
  Maybe their target market of idealistic youth, leftist academics, wokesters, Maori, and and rusted-on Labourites will deluge them with much needed cash, but I sincerely doubt it.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:38am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Back in the 90s, when it turned up on your driveway wrapped in plastic, I subscribed to the Press. I was still wet behind the ears, but a morning read of the paper was already an ingrained habit, like watching the news on telly at 6pm. The Press was a respectable publication in those days. But over the years it got thinner and thinner (and smaller, with the change to tabloid format) and the content grew weaker, while the price increased over and over until I eventually decided I was being insulted on several levels and gave them a DCM.
    
    Like a frog in a pot I continued to read Stuff until a few years ago when it finally dawned on me that I was being slowly boiled by all the Maorification bullshit and wokeness. I have all but given up even looking at the site, and I’ve communicated to them on many occasions that they won’t get a single cent from me until they revert to being a balanced, respectable source of genuine news. But given that most of their content appears to be regurgitated from social media by know-all 20-year-old girls with a basic journalism certificate from polytech and no sub-editing oversight, a 50-year-old pale male like me might as well bark at the moon.
    
    Has the fate of Newshub sent them a strong enough message? I think it unlikely. They simply don’t have the self-awareness or introspection to see that they’ve all sown the seeds of their own destruction.
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:10pm
    - gravedodger
      
      I was so blessed c2004 when The Press declined to deliver to the bottom of my steep drive off a narrow shingle road and offered to leave their daily missive another Km further away. The benefits of that change were immediate and substantial.
      Nearly two decades, think of the money saved and the mental health advantages.
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:08pm
  - mawm
    
    Damo – If Stuff bothered to get some honest feedback from the public they would probably be shocked to find that the majority of New Zealanders do not want to change the country’s name to Aotearoa. They have no connection with the public what-so-ever.
    
    While we are talking about Stuff, it would probably help if they were transparent about who provided all the cash to pay the staff when Sinead Boucher took over.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:42pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I left Stuff for good when they banned discussing climate change.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:45pm
    - jkt
      
      Censorship did it for me.
      
      My comments are dangerous. (Or misinformation. Whatever..) My comment reaches one or maybe three other plebs. I get ridiculed, cancelled, called names and even sometimes schooled. Self-censoring medium!
      
      Yet, my comments are dangerous! They pay a “journalist” to censor comments. Idiots! They loose their customers! …. Idiots!
      
      They should employ analysts and find out what content readers engage with. Readers are not idiots they are consumers!! Idiots! I kind of feel sorry for them……..
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    To Stuff we are not New Zealanders, we are people of the Motu called Aotearoa !
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:01pm
- yossarian
  
  Our company – $3 million to zilch over the last 6 years.
  
  I personally didn’t care for what they were saying as long as they could attract viewers (eg our potential customers) but they couldn’t, and the most amazing thing was “they never asked themselves why?” Didn’t they look around the world at the retention of the audiences for a non-left message, and think perhaps we could try that???
  
  It amazes me on how stupid they were, the answer was staring them in the face. If their marketing research told them otherwise then they should be suing them.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:57am
  - Cassandra
    
    You missed the h from site.
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:19pm
iMP

closure of Newshub: an idiotic I’ll-informed attempt to make us all feel like the nation is breaking up with its wife of 30 years.

How arrogant of the newshub lovelies to deckare with moist eyes that their closure is a threat to democracy in New Zealand.

This is indicative of their silo thinking, that we don’t have dozens of new and exciting platforms where we already hoover up our news in a more balanced informed and in-depth way than they ever did. They state on nationwide TV that there is now only one media outlets in New Zealand because Newshub’s failure. illustrates their lack of awareness even in their own industry.

I haven’t watched New Zealand news for years. like many intelligent peers, we went to better sources a long time ago that are economically sustainable and deliver the product we want. Newshub was simply TVNZ in jandals and a Hawaiian shirt (same news same Leftist bs propaganda). Bye bye.
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February 29, 2024 8:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What amazes me is the staff and Newshub appeared to be gobsmacked, that is their leftie bullshittery, now they know that when books don’t balance the axe hang high and powerful.
  
  They now realise money does not grow on trees
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:08am
  - GJM
    
    Newshub lost $34m dollars per year, for at least 2 years in a row. What did they think would happen, especially with an Amercan corporate in chanrge?
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:29pm
    - Ghost
      
      Newshub is just the news, it is tv 3 that has lost the money. I’m not sure it was ever a good idea, it seems to have had constant financial problems over the years.
      
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      February 29, 2024 3:35pm
- Scott
  
  The demise of NewsHub appears to be due to two factors. First of all the changing media landscape. Gone are the days when TV1 and TV3 news were watched by much of New Zealand. Now there are so many news channels online and so much choice that audience numbers and profitability were always going to take a hit.
  
  The second reason is that News Hub, and also TV1 news, have taken it on themselves to promote a particular narrative that totally shapes the way they report the news. News reporting must fit into the narrative rather than the old-fashioned journalism which at least tried to be objective. This has eroded public trust.
  
  Here is a list of some of the most egregious examples of the narrative:
  – Donald Trump is a horrible person and totally unfit to be president of the United States. During his four years as president he did not do a single good thing according to our TV news “journalists”.
  – Jacinda Adern is a wonderful person and people who don’t like her are probably misogynists.
  – Jacinda made a captain’s call to stop all future oil and gas exploration. This was totally justifiable and need no further comment.
  – Lockdowns were essential to combat covid. Furthermore the jab is totally safe and anyone who doesn’t believe this is a conspiracy theorist.
  – The trans-movement should never be questioned and anyone who does has an irrational phobia.
  – Climate change is an imminent threat to the world and we will not give a platform to anyone who thinks differently.
  – Maori culture is wonderful but New Zealand is a deeply racist country. There is no limit to what we should do to overturn our existing oppressive colonial structures.
  – Women are oppressed by the patriarchy and the more women in positions of power and senior management the better.
  
  I could go on and on. But you get the gist. 😊
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    … and the biggest…
    
    We totally deserved the $55M!
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:41am
  - Notsofast
    
    That list is pretty good. An example is Jill Ovens established the women’s rights party to combat child sterilization and men in women’s sport and so on. No amount of pleading could get one mention by MSM that her party existed. Because they loathe her message. But look at the message, it is heavily supported in polling.
    The rainbow tick and DEI have emasculated these organisations, despite being run by young women. Good riddance.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Wasn’t Ovens a Union Leader and a hard Labour supporter ?
      Loves her own voice too !
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:15am
  - David Garrett
    
    Scott: I don’t agree with all of your points, but most of them are spot on.
    
    Did you note Tova O’Brien’s plaintive cry on Stuff this morning: “I don’t want to imagine New Zealand without Newshub”?
    
    I have emailed her politely suggesting that if that is how she feels, she should depart these shores forthwith – preferably back to Ireland. I’m sure she will be much happier in the bogs.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:16am
    - RoboRob
      
      Lol. Tova is part of the problem and she doesn’t even realise it. Every organisation she has touched has failed. Waiting on Stuff to meet the same ends.
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:42am
    - Cassandra
      
      Actually Papua New Guinea interestingly enough. She has a weird history – every organization she joins goes broke almost immediately. Stuff must be on the edge right now. It’d be a great pity. Wouldn’t it?
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    “Gone are the days when TV1 and TV3 news were watched by much of New Zealand.”
    Those news programmes were never watched consistently by a total of half a million viewers
    I would be surprised if even 20% of the population knew that Three news was going down the gurgle
    It’s interesting that one minute Winston was going on about how ‘woke’ (read worthless) they are and the next how their demise is a blow to democracy, or some such. His voters are in the demography that watch the six o’clock news and that’ll be one less outlet for his style of politicking
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:18am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Here’s a heads up for you then…….Stuff are very likely to be the next to go down the gurgler. In fact I thought they would have folded first.
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:50am
      - Paulus
        
        Believe Stuff financially on its way for some time, but no interest from any buyers – except possibly Ngai Tahu. who have the money but even they not stupid.
        
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        February 29, 2024 11:17am
      - kowtow
        
        paulus
        
        Ngai Tahu have our money .
        
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        February 29, 2024 12:26pm
      - sungsamning
        
        Yeah, so did I. Fake News Hub going first was a pleasant surprise.
        
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        February 29, 2024 5:33pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I would suggest that Democracy will gain much fresh air with the demise of Newshub.
      I was surprised at the number of people employed by Newshub – was it 300? who are loosing their jobs. For what it’s worth, I would have thought that what we got from Newshub could be done, with modern technology, by 60 – 100 people. A lot of grifters employed there I would suspect.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:03am
      - RoboRob
        
        I was surprised to hear that they had 300 too. I guess they also include camera / audio operators and production staff.
        
        I will be contriversial here and say that I am sad that News Hub is going. They were, IMHO, far better then TV1. I regurlarly watched the AM show (which I dont really regard as news) but it is going. I will not be switching to TV1s breakfast show, which is just foul.
        
        Part of Newshubs issue is that their primary competitor is government owned. TVNZ has no need to turn a profit and can, and does, got to the govt for funding.
        
        Would rather have seen Stuff go first.
        
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        February 29, 2024 11:29am
      - John Loveridge
        
        It’s possible they had more employees than viewers.
        
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        February 29, 2024 1:48pm
- Simon
  
  Poopy spotty Chicken a new fast food outlet is opening they need workers. A door closes for NewsClown employees and another opens. All is well.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The news has created a lot of emotional train wrecks.
  Harden up. Newshub is shit.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    I like Sam Hayes and Mike McRoberts, but it is their Labour Political Wing persons, who for months projected daily venom against what became the current Coalition Government.
    And you wonder why they went bust, only look at this as people and advertisers took off.
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Bye bye the nasty gormless one
      
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      February 29, 2024 9:34am
      - David Garrett
        
        Which nasty gormless one? So many candidates to choose from.
        
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        February 29, 2024 10:18am
    - rouppe
      
      I don’t like either of them. I had some time for Ryan Bridge but I basically switched to the Hosking breakfast show and the morning TV show was dropped.
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:28pm
    - leoj
      
      In McRoberts’ interview he couldn’t help himself by using the A word for New Zealand.
      
      That’s how out of touch McRoberts is.
      
      Most of us are fed up to the gills with “maori wonderfulness”.
      
      Newshub’s demise does not affect me. I don’t have television. Too much leftism and maori everything.
      
      Guess there will be another 300 on Jobseeker and more govt handouts, on top of the PIJF.
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:29pm
  - mandk
    
    All the MSM are shit.
    
    A pox on all their houses.
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:40am
  - greenfinger
    
    To all the comrades out there, now you know even media entities, left or right, cannot escape the laws of capitalism. The invisible hand of the market makes no exception for left wing media. The left wing pollies can shed all the crocodile tears you want, the sun will still rise on the east and set on the west tomorrow, and every other day. Next week, we will be back to talking about how bad a job Labour, Green and TPM had done in the last six years and just how Chris Hipkins and Marama Davidson are hanging on the baubles of the opposition office by the skin of their teeth.
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have just read an item from Newshub on Covid unintended consequences.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/02/analysis-unintended-consequences-of-nz-s-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-must-inform-future-pandemic-policy.html
    
    It comes from here:
    
    https://theconversation.com/unintended-consequences-of-nzs-covid-vaccine-mandates-must-inform-future-pandemic-policy-new-research-222989
    
    This is not journalism, this is not reporting.
    It is sharing someone else’s work and nothing more.
    Newshub, there is your problem, you are repeaters!!
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      From above:
      
      COVID vaccines don’t violate the Nuremberg Code. Here’s how to convince the doubters.
      
      https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-dont-violate-the-nuremberg-code-heres-how-to-convince-the-doubters-171217
      
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      February 29, 2024 9:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        John @ 1.29.
        I will miss them terribly. They are my life – I live there for their knowledge.//
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:38pm
    - MCōs
      
      Shock Horror
      
      Newspaper reproduces article from another media outlet with full accreditation!
      FYI
      Those right wing quasi news sites you read do it all the time
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:43am
      - John Loveridge
        
        You’ve missed Steve’s point. What purpose does Newshub serve if it only regurgitates content by others? What are we actually losing when it dies?
        
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        February 29, 2024 1:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They are not getting the DCM though – and that is the difference.
        They would be paraphrasing rather than copy and paste a link like Newshub.
        We have a bunch of lazy, lazy good for nothing legends!
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:34pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Discovery bought a failing tv3 for only one reason,
  To get the labour government reelected.
  They failed and now they will leave behind the greedy and gullible propagandists for hire to their busted egos
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:16am
  - David Garrett
    
    Discovery bought a failing tv3 for only one reason,
    To get the labour government reelected.
    
    I’m sorry, but that is just silly. As silly as some of the claims regarding various persons and organizations allegedly linked to that Tasman think tank.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:20am
    - imalwaysright
      
      D.g
      Can you elaborate on why you think it is silly?
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:04pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Once upon a time NZ had 1 TV news channel – with credible, trusted newsreaders who delivered facts & didn’t constantly impart their personal opinions and snide personal prejudices, while expecting NZdrs to be intelligent enough to make up their own minds.
  
  Philip Sherry, Bill Toft…& a few others
  
  https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/nzbc-network-news-1963/series/credits
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:16am
  - cmm
    
    Whether we SHOULD have trusted them or not is quite a different matter from the fact they were trusted.
    
    One of the big differences between now and then is that we have other sources and can see through the curtain.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:43am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      They were trusted mostly because they didn’t tell us what to think.
      
      Yes, there were ?s about the “facts” reported, especially those sourced from the mainstream USA networks; however, we did have access to a variety of other credible & alternative view sources even then, albeit not as extensive as the internet enables (nor the influencers, fakes, guys hiding in mums basement…etc)
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:10am
- Opie
  
  Have been in Australia all week and the news is actually watchable here…
  
  They just report on what is happening in English instead of just screeching about politics.
  
  Australian weather: detailed anysis and forecast with no panic about it being in the 30s.
  
  New Zealand weather: two tins of cocoa, one tin of tea. It’s 24 degrees and you are all going to melt.
  
  Good bye newshub. I take heart from refusing to click their site and knowing that maybe that contributed in some small way to the downfall!
  
  Hopefully tvnz news will be next.
  
  Understand this, media. We want news and information. Unbiased presenters who report facts not feelings.
  
  If you keep pushing a political agenda you will be gone too.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:19am
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    We were in Oz last November and had the exact same thought. Before then I couldn’t tell you the last time not only my Wife and I sat down to watch a full hour news block but had our 3 teen daughters join us and engage in discussion around the topics covered.
    
    It was a frightening realization of just how far the legacy media has deteriorated in New Zealand.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:54am
  - John Loveridge
    
    It wasn’t so long ago that, in my opinion at least, the reverse was true. New Zealand TV news always seemed like a breath of fresh air after the rubbish I would watch in Australia. I guess the rot began to set in about 20 years ago, and now Aussie news seems vastly superior.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:33pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Is Maiki Sherman trying to blame Winston for Newshub’s demise, because he called the media woke?
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:32am
  - PeeJay
    
    This is the woman who refused to concede that Luxon might have won a debate during the election period because Hipkins was her mate. The fact that she was free to say this on national TV and not be sacked for clearly being biased tells you everything you need to know about the clear media bias in NZ.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:09am
    - MCōs
      
      Did she say Hipkins was her mate?
      Off with her head!
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:28pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The only surprise for many I believe is that they got away with producing nonsensical output and extremely weak journalism for so long.
  
  It was a series of overpaid “attractive” sock puppets and nodding heads reading teleprompters. Their “reporters” were blatantly one sided, leftist sycophants.
  
  I understand that most people will have biases, but as a reporter/journalist you need to at least make an effort to appear impartial. There is nobody in NZ mainstream media who does that. To a man they are leftist, borderline Marxist propagandists.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:35am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Newshub has no moral high ground wrt either democracy or truth
    
    https://sknight.substack.com/p/new-zealand-news-channel-invents
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $55M was like a dole payment. You got paid even if you did nor really produce.
    A Labour propaganda machine.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:09am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    The Media reported with glee anyone not getting the jab getting mandated out of their jobs.
    
    Oh how karma is a bitch.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:24am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    “celebrity” newsreaders, magic maori and mean gurl opinion journalists.
    
    What do you mean the dogs didn’t like the dogshit you served them?
    
    Waaaaah it’s the end of democracy as we know it!
    
    Bwuhahahaha! Perhaps they could learn to code?
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:12am
- rouppe
  
  Foolishly Stuff has comments open on a story about this.
  
  My contribution seems to have not made it through lol
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350195967/duncan-garner-reacts-newshubs-closure-feels-losing-close-friend
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:37am
  - kowtow
    
    As you say we can can be sure they are carefully curating the comments .
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:32am
  - Damocles11
    
    The NZ media are like big fish in a small gold fish bowl. Another media outlet closes and they go into a frenzy of hand-wringing & prattling to each other about it. Who gives a toss what ‘Duncan Garner’ thinks about it all! He lost his gig when Today FM went under and I wouldn’t have a clue what he is doing now. The likes of Garner and O’Brien are not relevant, they are not part of the political or business decision making heart of this country, they are simply egotistical fame seekers.
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:03pm
    - Paul
      
      The worst is Paddy WGAF Gower giving his addled opinion backed by recovery revelations.
      
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      February 29, 2024 6:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Stuff is rumored to be close to going under too. When they fold where will NZers get their daily dose of left wing racism, misandry and climate propaganda? And how will Greens and Labour fare in polls without these propagandists promoting their Narratives?
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:42am
  - Flossie
    
    TVNZ will carry on doing it. Fools.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:12am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Where from?
    TVNZ
    The sad news is that many politicians think we need them, so they’re unlikely to go the way of OldNewshub.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:17am
  - John Loveridge
    
    It’s more than rumour. A close acquaintance of mine was laid off from Stuff last year but remains in contact with “inside”. The situation is very poor, despite public claims to the contrary. But then you only needed Sinead Boucher’s impassioned groveling before the government committee considering the Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill to tell you that.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:42pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Sooner the better.
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:49pm
- sungsamning
  
  The closure date is about right for them to enrol in second semester coding courses. Meanwhile; most of us just had a giant helping of schadenfreude, and liberal tears for dinner, and another for breakfast. Now, Ms Willis should announce a brief mini-budget with one item. TVNZ, and RNZ to lose their ‘news’, and ‘current affairs’ teams.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:53am
- septic skeptic
  
  A falling tide lowers all boats, and maybe the challenges faced by broadcasters and journalists in this modern environment were insurmountable for Newshub. Maybe. But they did not provide an alternate to the left wing bias on offer at TVNZ and RNZ. They never tried that. Was that because of the political leanings of the overseas owners, local bosses or the journalists themselves? My guess is all three 😉
  They have only rarely been critical of the worst PM and government in our history over the last 6 years, and then turn round and spit bile and vitriol at the incoming government from the start. They are a far cry from the neutral and independent 4th estate required to hold power to account in a democracy. I think our democracy has a better chance of surviving without them.
  Personally, I used to be someone who used to read the Dominion paper on the train into work and watch the 6pm news every night in my 20s. Nowadays if I watch the news it is because I am already aware something of interest has happened. I watch 3 because it is slightly better than TVNZ, but never make it through a full bulletin. I find the left wing bias repugnant and have no interest in learning te reo.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:03am
  - David Garrett
    
    septic: Your last para. perfectly describes my viewing and reading habits.
    
    I remember in the early ’90’s:Virtually all the men on the bus reading the Dom on the way to work. Funnily one almost never noticed women reading the paper.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:36am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Wimmin couldn’t read back then!
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    I watched Newshub because I like lovely Sam best !
    McR is a nice bloke, to but the rest are ratshit.
    Woman now know all they want so why read a newspaper !
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:23am
  - Damocles11
    
    It used to be that ‘being racist’ was racist. Now a whole host of other things are apparently racist, according to those that hate us:
    – Not wanting to learn standardised Te Reo is racist.
    – Opposing the aims of the Leftists is racist.
    – Having opinions on the Treaty other than those formulated and promulgated by the left wing political parties, public service, and media is racist.
    – Disagreeing with the perspectives of a Maori person during any form of debate or discourse is racist.
    – Voting for a centre-right or right wing political party is racist (and fascist).
    – Disagreeing with placing Maori at the very heart of the decision making and national ethos of this country is also racist.
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:52pm
- Jack5
  
  “The end of Newshub: Slippery slope gets steeper for NZ journalism and democracy”
  
  That’s a headline today about TV3 at Radio NZ, known to many of us as “Red Radio”,
  
  The headline’s over an opinion by Greg Treadwell, journalism lecturer at AUT, Auckland’s former polytechnic that’s a now university:
  
  From the article that follows the headline:
  
  …The news media is core infrastructure for a democracy …
  
  … TVNZ on its own will not be able to reflect the complex, multicultural and socially diverse country New Zealand is …
  
  … The impact on the country’s already shrinking and fragile public sphere will be considerable …
  
  …. The time to restore journalism as a public good and not simply a plaything for shareholders and other investors is overdue….
  
  There was democracy long, long before TV, before newspapers.
  
  Media consumers rather than providers decide what is a “public good” – something in the best interests of a community.
  
  NZ doesn’t rank in the top 50 most multicultural countries of the world. Socially diverse? Outside Scandinavia, are there Western developed countries less socially diverse?
  
  The full blurb given on Treadwell in the Red Radio piece: [Treadwell] is a former journalist who works at Auckland University of Technology and is a researcher in its Centre for Journalism, Media and Democracy. He is currently vice-president of the Journalism Education Association of New Zealand
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:08am
  - Damocles11
    
    The Left see the MSM as vital to them maintaining control over the populace, hence the outpouring of angst over its parlous state.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:30pm
- Clyde
  
  The total reality is that advertisers look for ratings before they part out their cash. If a programme doesn’t rate – in other words if it does not attract viewers, listeners or readers – then advertising falls away. If a media outlet constantly peddles opinion masquerading as news and if that opinion is not supported by the majority, then the business will fail. While some will say otherwise, I’d say “go woke, go broke” has a lot to do with the failing ratings. I will not miss NewsHub and its now just a question of how soon Minister Lee sorts out the governance of TVNZ and Red Radio so that both of these entities have impartiality at their core rather than the biased crap they currently peddle.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:23am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I suspect that government departments are a LOT less concerned with ratings than they are with treaty compliance and other factors when placing their spend. Maybe newshub was too dependent on this revenue.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:08am
- lastmanstanding
  
  In have just read yesterdays GD on Auckland house prices. A couple of factual examples.
  
  1. My Dad bought a section in Mt Roskill when he returned from WW2 for 100 Pounds. He built a 100 sq m brick and tile house on it for around 2000 pounds. the property is now valued at $1.5M.
  
  2. In 1979 my wife and I bought the house we still live in in Browns Bay for $50K. 250M brick and tile. Current value $1.75M.
  
  Our house has more than doubled over each decade since we bought it. Its called supply and demand. I have no doubt Auckland prices will double over the next 10 years as Government have to keep importing people to keep growing the economy expecially as natural increase is less than deaths.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    Can the prices really double in the next 10 years? Where are the buyers going to get their money from?
    
    In 1979 the average weekly wage was around $160. $8k a year. Your $50k house was around 6 average salaries.
    
    At $1.75M, your salary would need to be almost $300k a year to be 6 years of salary. The average salary is perhaps $90k in Auckland, so you’re at about 20 salaries.
    
    Needing 20 salaries to buy a house is beyond ridiculous.
    
    Doubling? How is that going to work without salaries at least doubling in the same time?
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:53am
    - Local Miller
      
      Interest rates drop, people buy in cheaper areas.
      Since property values have on average doubled ever decade for 4 or 5 decades now, how come people are still able to buy houses when their salaries don’t seem to have doubled?
      There is always a way.
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:42am
      - cmm
        
        “Since property values have on average doubled ever decade for 4 or 5 decades now, how come people are still able to buy houses when their salaries don’t seem to have doubled?”
        
        Because property prices used to be a lower % of people’s salaries, so an increase is possible.
        
        If buying a house costs 1 year’s salary then doubling the price to 2 year’s salary is not such a big deal.
        
        But when a house costs 20 years’ salary then doubling it is preposterous.
        
        When a house costs 20 salaries then we’re talking about couples both working their entire lives and still not paying back their mortgage before they retire.
        
        The idea that prices can just keep doubling in real terms is fundamentally broken.
        
        When I got into the property market in Christchurch in 2000, we bought a place for $190k or so. At the time I was earning around $70k, so 2.5 years salary.
        
        We sold it in 2013 for $450k or so. If I had still been an employee, I would have been earning around $110k. – so 4 years salaries.
        
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        February 29, 2024 5:00pm
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Excellent point. Given that I once considered becoming a teacher – can you believe it? I was interested in their salaries vs. house prices in Gisborne in 1975.
      
      In short, in 1975 you could buy a modest three bedroom house in Gisborne for about $12,000, which was ONE year of a teacher’s salary. Teachers may have been better paid way back then – I can’t remember if that was the case.
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:43am
      - pdm
        
        DG things moved in Gisborne then because at the end of November 1977 we paid $43,000 for a modest 3 bedroomed house in Albert Street, Te Hapara.
        
        In April 1982 when we transferred out of Gisborne we sold it for $48,000.
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:18pm
    - Flossie
      
      The type of houses has changed exponentially. My first house was a weatherboard structure with no insulation whatsoever, and of course single glazed windows. It was two bedrooms, one bathroom, and incredibly the kitchen, dining area and “wash house” were all in one room. No paths, fences, garage or driveway. This was not unusual and pretty much the same as all my contemporaries.
      Today’s houses are built to much higher standards, and as far as I can see from what the younger nieces, nephews, friends have built include two bathrooms, attached garages, and even such luxuries as Media Rooms or an office.
      Of course they’re going to be more expensive.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:15am
      - MCōs
        
        My daughter’s house built maybe in the fifties or sixties didn’t have building paper under the weatherboards
        I wondered why it was so cold and damp
        We pulled off the gib board, added building paper and insulation, replaced all the windows with double glazed, squirted foam in the gaps, blah blah and now it’s warm and quiet
        Back in the old days they’d whack up a house in five minutes because they were so basic. All the drawings could be done on one sheet with another one for the drainage on linen in ink for basic houses.
        
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        February 29, 2024 9:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe the new buyers will get their money from the same place Robertson did.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:21am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Are we assuming a New Zealand dollar in ten years will have a comparable value to a New Zealand dollar today.
        NZD may be a junk currency by then.
        Property then could well be quadruple todays price.
        We aren’t a first world country any more.
        
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        February 29, 2024 1:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @imalwaysright.
        The NZ Dollar could get right out of hand. I have a 100 trillion dollar note from Zimbabwe. It cost about NZ$4.
        If NZ is going to be the Zimbabwe of the South Pacific we may as well follow those who know this shit.
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:44pm
  - Local Miller
    
    About 40 years ago, back in South Africa while talking about economics and property values my father was already explaining to me that property values in general doubled every 10 years. This is really not something new, so much so that I didn’t even read the article in GD yesterday.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep.
    1979 I started from scratch in a new Beazley subdivision. Did not like their house designs so settled on a Dempsey-Morton which was also under the Fletcher Group. Cost was $39,000.
    Now 45 years later it is at $1.45M.
    I could sell, but I still need to live somewhere.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      40k to 1.45m … near enough to x32 – 5 doublings over 45 years. That’s 9 years per doubling or 8%/year. Historically about par for the Auckland course.
      
      The power of compounding ….
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Tell you what Ian. If I could sell up and disappear into the Alaskan Frontier and get away with it, I would have. But now I am not keen on the cold that much.
        Alaskan summer is just like Auckland summer, but short. So cold for about 30 weeks.
        
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        February 29, 2024 2:51pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Another way of viewing this is to say the value of the dollar has been greatly reduced.
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:51pm
  - Handyman
    
    Supply and demand is the first rule of economics — in the short term.
    Averages of times salary are skewed due to the baby boomer population bulge. Rather, let’s take an example of a 25 year old man forty years ago. Three things working in harmony to increase his house happiness.
    
    1. Income increases due to inflation. – Mortgage payments quickly reduced as a proportion of his nominal income.
    2. Income increases due to promotion. – Mortgage payments reduced as a proportion of his salary when he worked his way up the job ladder.
    3. Interest rate declined during this entire time, further reducing his actual payments.
    
    What of today’s 25 year old man?
    1. Prefers to rent rather than live in a “d0-up” or an undesirable suburb so delays buying a house until his income is nearing peak career at 35.
    2. Inflation is subdued, but 5-6 % is not nothing. Doubling over 15 years.
    3. Interest rates will decrease. Halving current interest rates will double the amount people can borrow.
    
    So I would rate a doubling possible, maybe probable but not highly likely. Working against the likelihood is that the next 10-15 years will see most of the baby boomers exit the property market (one way or another). Supply and demand rides again.
    
    Data I like…
    The metric that stays relatively constant is the proportion of income a borrower must pay for a new loan. People will always borrow to the max for the best house they can afford.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:37pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Everybody imagines the world is just going to keep on as usual, that past trends predict future. Well normally that is true. But these are not normal times.
    
    Advent of AI in next 2-10 years (the Singularity) will disrupt all the assumptions about how society functions:
    – A shit load of people will be put out of work by AI starting with a lot of female dominated desk-work professions (and it will only increase), wages/salaries for most professions will collapse as there are too many competing for too few jobs or because of AI/automation undercutting them.
    -Education will become pointless with no benefit for effort and no realistic means to better your lot, meaning and hope will disappear from perhaps most people’s lives with no hierarchy to work at climbing, social ills will grow hugely (drugs, criminality etc)
    -Governments will go far left-high-tax property-thieving redistributionist (and inevitably despotically authoritarian like Venezuela. Cuba etc) powered by expanding unemployed voting base.
    -Living in expensive cities won’t be affordable or desirable for most. House prices will plummet and de-urbanization will become a major trend.
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:27pm
  - miltonF
    
    “Its called supply and demand”
    
    True, but when it comes to housing, I’d more accurately describe it as “lack of supply plus demand”
    
    If you’ve noticed, housing does not follow normal free market economic rules. This is because it is not a free market. Prices just keep going up and up and up. It’s actually socialism when the govt takes over property rights and determines how particular property may be used. It’s all intentional. It’s related to the ongoing fiat currency scam. If you know, you know.
    
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    February 29, 2024 4:28pm
  - GJM
    
    The CPI calculator only goes back to 1962. Assuming no or low inflaiton 1946 to 1962, that house your father bought post ware is $215,555 (general CPI) or 539,362 (housing CPI), so it has risen much more than CPI. One reason is post war, Mt Roskill was rural farm land and plenty available.
    $50k in Browns Bay in 1979 is 1,481,980 (housing CPI) or $336,625 (general CPI).
    Goes to show how much housing has gone nuts, and the impact of supply and demand (massive immigration)
    
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    February 29, 2024 4:56pm
- mogg
  
  With the closure of Newshubs NZ will be more democratic not less. For the last six years they have censored their news reporting to favour wokeism, socialism, and identity politics . They are definitely anti-capitalism.
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:55am
peterwn

So Chris Hipkins is having to convince people (especially his own MP’s) that he is still relevant after Winston Peters said he would be gone in a few weeks. Hence his fire and brimstone speech in the House yesterday in which he lambasted National for wanting to repeal Labour’s anti-smoking legislation (which has yet to come into force). As far as Casey Costello is concerned it would be just like water off a duck’s back.
Chris H should reflect on why after Labour’s overwhelming success in 2020 Labour was in no position to form a coalition government after the last election, the Left (with Winston) theoretically had the numbers but it was not going to happen. Chris H has rubbished the assertions from Casey and others that there was going to be collateral damage because of Labour’s legislation but never attempted to seriously argue how there would not be such issues with Labour’s legislation. I have been around long enough to realise that ‘brute force’ solutions just do not work. Prohibition – Chicago 1929 style being a prime example.
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February 29, 2024 8:05am
- marcw
  
  Yesterday I heard the sound clip of Hipkins getting hysterical in Parliament on ZB news about 5 times during the afternoon and evening. Not once, even once, did I hear Minister Costello’s presentation on points of her Bill being presented in the House.
  
  Good riddance news media – your bias is so obvious.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:03am
- Paulus
  
  Chippy knows it all, what we used to call Piss and Wind syndrome
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:28am
pdm

Calling Biscuit.
Calling Biscuit.

What the hell is going on in Upper Hutt?

Biscuit and `The Cat’ have been left alone for a day or two and all hell breaks loose. Earthquakes of magnitude 4.7 I read.

What ever have Biscuit and said Cat been up to to cause that.

Many that know Biscuit better than I would say he does not have the energy.

But, then we all know `The Cat’ is in charge!!!!
Biscuit has told us all that many times.
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February 29, 2024 8:05am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Well whatever shady business Biscuit and The Cat were up to, it was a bloody good jolt felt in my town which is some distance away from Upper Hutt! The house gave a loud crack with rattling windows.
  
  I looked at GeoNet and it was felt as far south as Wānaka and as far north as Whangārei Heads!
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:55am
  - greybeard
    
    Same here in Kapiti.
    Usually we feel them as a swaying motion, being on sand, but that one was very sharp.
    The Wellington Fault is alive and well. Look out folks !
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:57am
  - Biscuit
    
    The cat, stern-facedly, tells me to tell you that all our ‘activities’ are ‘entirely consensual’.
    
    I didn’t feel/slept through all three quakes:
    
    5:18 am Magnitude: 4.7 Depth: 23 km 5 km north of Upper Hutt
    5:23 am Magnitude: 3.6 Depth: 29 km 5 km north of Upper Hutt
    6:05 am Magnitude: 3.0 Depth: 27 km 5 km north of Upper Hutt
    
    No doubt pdm and Sarkozygroupie are in the throes of arranging ‘AidForBiscuit’.
    
    Being big-hearted, might I suggest that the thousands of dollars you haven’t already raised be diverted to providing relief for those Newshub folk who are far more deser sheesh I got that far without bursting into laughter…
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:38am
    - pdm
      
      `No doubt pdm and Sarkozygroupie are in the throes of arranging ‘AidForBiscuit’.’
      
      I might start a `Biscuit an The Cat’ Give a little page if I can work out how to do that.
      
      Administration and Management Fees will of course be very high so you and the cat will get VERY LITTLE from it.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:20am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Well, in the words of Profumo, THE CAT WOULD SAY THAT, wouldn’t he.
      
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      February 29, 2024 8:40pm
- miltonF
  
  Is it just me or have the earthquakes lately been quite short and “jolty”? They feel almost like an explosion.
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:16pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Yes they have.
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:57pm
Ghost

After overdoing it yesterday with constant headlines and live feeds on newshub, I see the media are still doing it today

Dear NZ media, most people don’t care and will turn off from your constant reporting of this.
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February 29, 2024 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They all have their selves to blame
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:09am
- Vinicius
  
  If all these soon to be redundant journos are so wonderful how come Newshub went down the gurgler?
  
  I do feel sorry for the back-office staff carrying out technical and ops roles but not for the politically biased journalists and news readers.
  
  Both 1News and Newshub have persisted with this 60-minute evening news model. It is so outdated. I gave up watching the evening news on the boob tube 25 years ago.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:15am
- artemisia
  
  Much more interesting to interview each other (and the keyboard), plus the chance to overuse the term ‘heartbreak’ and shed a few tears, preferably in public.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As I said above, the created emotional train wrecks.
    The Ardern days of ‘feelings’ have now gone, hopefully forever.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:12am
- Simon
  
  Newsclown to finish but the “news reporting’ by all the others of record turnip yields will continue unabated.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It shows just how narcissistic and self absorbed the media in NZ had become. Media interviewing media about media not doing their job and suffering the consequences.
  
  Where was this intensity in interviewing the last government about failures in homelessness, child poverty, covid response, fiscal irresponsibility?
  
  They were missing in action on everything that was actually important, instead focused on fully endorsing and amplifying every utterance from Ardern and the ‘pulpit of truth’. That and petty sniping at anything perceived as a mistake from the opposition. Zero impartiality.
  
  You reap what you sow.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:48am
- igm
  
  May this become a daily occurrence, especially as they are trying the narrative that it is because they are not taxpayer-supported by this undemocratic government.
  Faux journos will be after any PR jobs going . . . please do not even give these leeching clowns an interview, they belong in the gutters where they have put themselves.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:55am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Simply showing that they still don’t (and probably never will) “get it”. Presenters that alienate their customers will always face consequences. Kyne summed it up pretty well really.
  
  “But at the same time, he said: “All of those things we think remain inherently important to the media sector, but any one of them wouldn’t have been enough to replace the loss of ad revenue that has brought on this decision or this proposal today.””
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/510418/newshub-boss-aware-of-proposal-since-january
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:03am
- cmm
  
  This is just more of the “We are the news” self-obsession of these people.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:18am
- Damocles11
  
  The current wailing and gnashing of teeth by the media is akin to a mob of sheep trapped in a pen who have just seen several of their number marched up to the slaughterhouse. Who will save them? Not the public, who have switched off. Not the government, who they’ve attacked relentlessly and completely alienated. Not Willie Jackson, who can only bark from the sidelines.
  
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  February 29, 2024 1:36pm
Close Hen Counters

God lord, previous weather reporter Jim hickey sent condolences to the TV3 news staff regarding the breaking news yesterday – said they were the most non partisan in their reporting ….
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February 29, 2024 8:06am
- RoboRob
  
  I think he is correct. Of the two options I think TV3 are / were more non partisan. TV3 had neutral and some right wing presenters. This is entirely absent from TV1.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:16am
imalwaysright

Saw John Key on tv yesterday talking about his future after leaving ANZ.
He was off to New York last night for a board meeting for Palo Alto cybersecurity.
https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/about-us/management
It looks like a very good company. Nancy Pelosi has invested up to $1.25 million this month.
https://m.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/nancy-pelosi-buys-palo-alto-networks-call-options-shares-pop-432SI-3315750
Not bad for civil servant.
Might be a good bet….
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February 29, 2024 8:07am
- xasperated
  
  Significant share price drop recently.
  https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/28/palo_alto_class_action/
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe Nancy knew something .
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:06am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  You can make a lot of money shadowing the Pelosi family investments. Someone did a study on it recently – consistently beat the market, by very significant margins.
  
  US Congress people turn out to be remarkably lucky/prescient.
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:17pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I wonder if Barrack bought any?
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

Paddy Gow Has Tissues.
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February 29, 2024 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has more than tissues, he should have come out about his mental health issues
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:10am
- Vinicius
  
  Newshub’s issues were no better demonstrated by that leader’s debate Gower fronted during the last election campaign with Hipkins and Luxon. The whole thing was atrocious with Paddy boy turning the whole thing into something like a gameshow.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:20am
- Joely Doe
  
  Paddy Gower: On WINZ
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:53am
  - RoboRob
    
    lol
    One can only hope he meets Campbell there too 🙂
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:17am
Matt Long

The “advice” from the Health Ministry to Casey Costello.
“The right to be smoke free is entrenched in The Tiriti O Waitangi. ”
Whoever wrote that is a cost saving already, we’ve been paying people big salaries to come up with dross like that?
https://x.com/GraemeEdgeler/status/1762793104749600971?s=20
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February 29, 2024 8:13am
- G152
  
  I have this idea odd I know that we live in a democracy with a freedom or two.
  You want to smoke?
  Aint illegal go for it
  You want to inhale chemicals?
  Aint illegal go for it.
  You want to cheer when the local propoganda news program dies?
  Aint illegal go for it
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Make it compulsory for maori to get, from the Waitangi Tribunal, a permission slip to buy smokes.
    For maori, By maori. Eh
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:09pm
- peterwn
  
  But if Casey considers that her way will reduce smoking with fewer side effects (eg crime, black market, etc) then surely the Government has not breached that alleged aspect of the Treaty.
  No one would have suggested that anti smoking legislation was a Treaty requirement in the first 150 years of the Treaty existence.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:27am
  - Paul
    
    If the Cigarette was one Boxer, and Humanity was the other, the bout would never end.
    
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    February 29, 2024 7:06pm
- Yabster
  
  just shows whats entrenched at various ministries- the treaty is good for just about anything- radio spectrums etc- be air next….
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:28am
  - jkt
    
    They truely believe this shit.
    
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    February 29, 2024 4:41pm
- kowtow
  
  I see Peeni Henare accused Costello’s speech as having been written by tobacco ‘lobbyists’ .
  
  Worse, that execrable police union fellow has accused an MP , the excellent Nicole McKee of being a gun “lobbyist” . Surely there’s something very wrong with a fellow like that making such claims . How does he get away with that.
  
  Meanwhile for all their blowharding ;
  
  Under labour .
  
  ‘The government’s clampdown on firearms and seizures of high-powered semi-automatic weapons has had no impact on a rise in gun crime and violence in New Zealand.’ Source RNZ
  
  As to Hipkins attacking Nicole saying there’s no place for MSSA’s here , under his regime’s own “reforms” , you can still buy them , easily on an “a” cat license.
  
  Have a look at this “bad boy” Chris.
  
  https://www.guncity.com/22gsg-16-mp5-replica-red-dot-3-9×40-scope-laser-torch-and-foregrip-package-369835
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:41am
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    Worse than that, prior to the post March 15 legislation that firearm would have been prohibited for A-Cat licensed firearm holders and restricted to those with a E-cat license only which required a greater level of security and background checks.
    
    Instead they made AR-15 styled and other MSSA far easier to acquire.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:06am
  - Media hater
    
    “Surely there’s something very wrong with a fellow like that making such claims. How does he get away with that?”
    
    He gets away with it because he is a dumbo and useful idiot.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:35am
    - Mr Nobody NZ
      
      Who will challenge his narrative? The left aligned media and its journalists?
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:31am
      - Media hater
        
        No, the left aligned media and its journalists will not challenge his narrative because they agree in general with the dumbo and useful idiot.
        
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        February 29, 2024 1:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is this the same ex Associate Minister of Health Peeni Henare whose partner got contracts from The Min of Health to run Smokefree adverts?
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/02/health-ministry-admits-failings-over-henare-linked-firm-contracts/
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/495954/national-wants-review-into-govt-contracts-awarded-to-firm-run-by-partner-of-cabinet-minister-peeni-henare
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:19am
  - rangitoto
    
    Just as well the law doesn’t apply to the GAU 8. It’s great for eliminating rabbits.
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:20pm
- Cassandra
  
  How on earth do presumably sane people manage to get a “smoke free right” out of the ToW? Presumably they mean that the Treaty gives the government the right to ban smoking ie sovereignty, perhaps inadvertently. I’ve got a plan – declare tobacco to be a Class A drug and institute hanging for its use. That’d be protection for you.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:43am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I reckon you presume too much..
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Didn’t Maori smoke tobacco when they signed the Treaty.
    Where did they grow tobacco, and where did they get it from ?
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:14pm
- Simon
  
  Maori are taught they have no personal agency but are perpetual victims of white supremacy or the settlers. The grifters human shield off the problems created by telling Maori that circumstances in their lives are beyond their control. Endless and vile cycle.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:45am
  - Media hater
    
    The fact that they buy into that propaganda hook, line and sinker, is one hundred per cent on them though. Pathetic and self-entitled.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:38am
    - imalwaysright
      
      M.H
      
      Don’t forget most of the country bought into the covid propaganda. I think it took about a week to destroy the average individuals capacity to reason.
      I don’t blame the maori people . I blame those bastards who have treated them as a meal ticket.
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:17pm
  - Ehlana
    
    3% of Party voters chose Te Pati Maori at the last election. People of Maori descent make up 17% of the population. 3/17 gives 17%, by coincidence. So it would be more accurate to say
    
    17% of Maori believe they have no personal agency but are perpetual victims of white supremacy or the settlers…
    
    Or put another way, more than 4/5 of Maori are busy being normal people.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:52pm
    - Paulus
      
      Who said that Maori represented by 17% of the population
      Another Urban myth !
      I suggest it is somewhat lower but nobody will confirm the actual and not made up figures.
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:16pm
- Taieri
  
  ‘Healthcare workers protest Māori Health Authority axing’ says the headline in the Otago Daily Times this morning.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/health/healthcare-workers-protest-māori-health-authority-axing
  
  There’re 6 protesters on the photo illustrating this article.
  2 of them are public health professors, one of whom is notable for winning an Ig Nobel Prize for demonstrating that, on icy footpaths in wintertime, people slip and fall less often if they wear socks on the outside of their shoes. Another person is a dentist, all the way from India, accompanied by an “environmental health specialist”, whatever that is, who also appears to be from sunny India (not that I have any problem with them being from where they are – it’s just an observation, after all, we all have to come from somewhere). Yet another one is a foreign student calling from the USA and the remaining protester is a rheumatologist practising in the private hospital.
  A very representative group and rightly concerned as it is, since, in the words of one of the protester, Professor Alex Macmillan, “(…)it had been proved time and time again the most effective way to address Māori health inequality was to have a Māori health authority(…)”. The good professor then observes that “(…)They did this without waiting for the Waitangi Tribunal hearing that was going to be … [tomorrow], it feels incredibly undemocratic(…)”.
  Of course, I fully share her concerns, particularly about such an abuse of democratic process, which is not only racist but also contrary to the principles of Te Tiriti O Waitangi.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:45am
- cmm
  
  I recall a few years ago someone from the Maori Party claiming it was a Maori right to smoke and tobacco tax was infringing on that.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:17am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm; That would have had to be very many years ago, since exponentially raising the tax on cigarettes annually was a Maori Party policy way back when I was an MP
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Has anyone informed Te Tiriti people that it is not compulsory to indulge in the colonial habit of smoking tobacco?
  
  (oh woops….. it appears to be a sacred, medicinal practice of indigenous peoples latterly appropriated by colonials)
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:21am
  - pdm
    
    It is the Greens thinking (that may be a misnomer because I seriously doubt The Greens think) that baffles me:
    
    Legalise Cannibus smoking.
    Ban cigarette smoking.
    
    Soon `Cannibus Chloe’ is going to be their joint Leader.
    
    The mind boggles.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:52am
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      What sort of joint?
      
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      February 29, 2024 10:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    How about the imperialist Original Peoples of the Americas pay us some compensation for for forcing tobacco on us? A few trillion should do as a first instalment.
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:57am
  - Paul
    
    Smoking is “Be not myself” for a few minutes.
    Seemingly, many more Maori do not want to “Be Themselves” than the average population.
    That there is a clue.
    
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    February 29, 2024 7:15pm
- sirknz
  
  Cool. Let’s ban everyone on the Maori Electoral Roll, and everyone who has any financial links to any iwi from purchasing cigarettes. We can do the same with fast food and alcohol, and when drugs finally get legalised we can ban Maori from using them too.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:37am
  - Local Miller
    
    Within 6 months there won’t be many Maori left. All we’ll have is a handful of elite Maori.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So you know about the Coup and Tribal Rule then?
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:30am
    - imalwaysright
      
      And Luxon will still bow and scrape to them.
      Brown tick National !
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:28pm
  - jkt
    
    But it is unfair. You can’t single out Maori.
    
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    February 29, 2024 4:50pm
- Ruawai
  
  “The right to be smoke free is entrenched in The Tiriti O Waitangi. ” This must be in the Maori version of the treaty as I can’t see it in the English version!
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:47am
  - Local Miller
    
    What’s funny is that if National had introduced the same legislation we’d be hearing how it was racist, discriminating against Maori and against the ToW because the right to smoke is enshrined in… blah, blah, blah!
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is not in the Treaty at all.
    Must be from some bent and twisted version.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:31am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Yes I was also racking my brains to know which article that was under 🙂
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:32pm
- Swifty
  
  This very recent notion that the NZ government is accountable and responsible for delivering ‘equity’ both for the general population and Maori specifically is just a godsend for those who wish massive state intervention in the lives of New Zealanders.
  
  (Of course the implication is that the government has always been accountable for delivering ‘equity’ but it’s just that we’ve only come to realise this recently – and in the case for Maori only once we’ve come to understand the Treaty ‘better’. Total nonsense of course).
  
  As with Ardern and Robertson’s ‘wellbeing’ budgets this is a hugely significant and giant leap towards NZ political parties just having total open license to involve themselves in any area of our lives they deem necessary, but more relevantly wherever they see political advantage to be gained.
  
  This move from, generally speaking, people themselves taking accountability for their own welfare, and the government taking care of a few things we do best as a group or just cannot do individually, to the situation where increasingly people look to political parties to deliver them good life outcomes and ‘wellbeing’ has passed largely unremarked upon in my view and deserves far more public scrutiny.
  
  I don’t however expect our general direction of travel to change. More and more of our countryfolk seem happy to clamour for more and more government intervention over more and more of our lives and our political parties are more than happy to promise it to them.
  
  I read a saying the other day that went along the lines of “unless we are prepared to accept imperfections in society we should be prepared to lose all our freedoms and liberties”.
  
  The point being that this constant look to government to iron out every wrinkle, every ‘disparity’, every ‘injustice’ will inevitably result in a massive state controlling every part of all our lives – but no doubt delivering on that very poorly.
  
  Eventually of course it will collapse under its own weight having proved unsustainable and driven us to economic failure and people throw it off in some sort of revolution.
  
  I saw Luxon talking about Newshub yesterday and saying along the lines of “Nothing to do with us – they need to innovate.’
  
  That was music to my ears and should be to many more New Zealanders – well those New Zealanders who believe poor struggling New Zealand families shouldn’t be taxed even more to fund massive multinational media organisations anyway.
  
  I only hope we hear much much more of it.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:58am
- Nobby2
  
  I must be reading the wrong version of the Treaty of Waitangi, as nowhere in the English language or Maori translation of the Treaty of Waitangi signed in 1840 is the right to smoke or being mindful of wellbeing mentioned.
  
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  February 29, 2024 1:54pm
- PurplePen
  
  I think they got that wrong. Shouldn’t it be “The right to have smokes for free is entrenched in The Tiriti O Waitangi. “
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:10pm
- Damocles11
  
  Someone posted a comment on X: ‘I don’t get it: are Maori sovereign, or do they need the government to save them from themselves?’
  
  Nobody is forcing Maori to smoke.
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:01pm
Scooter

Looks like Jacinda will be bestowed with another University honour, this time from the Uni of Bologna (the oldest Uni in the world founded in 1088 no less!). She will be presented with it’s highest honour the Sigillum Magnum on 20 March. BTW Bologna the city has 3 nicknames, The Fat, The Red and The Learned, not hard to pick which one applies to her. Ps With her experience of work and accolades from Unis around the world I think she would be a far better fit for Vice Chancellor in NZ than Grant and she’ll need a cushy job when and if she returns.

https://magazine.unibo.it/archivio/2024/02/14/jacinda-arden-at-the-inauguration-of-the-2023-2024-academic-year-of-the-university-of-bologna
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February 29, 2024 8:13am
- imalwaysright
  
  She used to describe her daily prime ministerial engagements as “activities”.
  
  Says it all really.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:32pm
Simon

Labo soft on crime because Maori.

lol . What an insult to the overwhelming vast majority of non-crim Maori.
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February 29, 2024 8:15am
Matt Long

Chris Penk showing there’s sensible people in National.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/rural/350181393/new-dam-rules-under-review
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February 29, 2024 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, for a brief moment I thought there were new hydro dams in the offing; but alas.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:35am
- hookerphil
  
  How many dams have collapsed in the last 20 years, how many deaths.
  
  Why is this being done at all?
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Hook,
    Exactly . We should have regulations for risk that is probable. That is a big difference to risk that is possible.
    
    If we applied the same regulatory bloat to building a house we would be spending $5 million to build a fire proof, flood proof, quake proof building and have 99.9% of the population living in tents.
    
    At least they aren’t living in a potentially dangerous house!?!…
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:56pm
  - MCōs
    
    The answer (from google) is there have been a number of significant dam failures in New Zealand. Since 1960 there have been 25 dam incidents, with at least 14 that could be considered serious.
    13 Apr 2021
    
    Also there’s some examples if you want to have a look
    
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    February 29, 2024 9:13pm
- pdm
  
  Matt – I have long thought that Chris Penk should have a front bench ranking.
  
  He was my pick for Justice Minister and I think he would be better there than Goldsmith.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:39am
Rusty

How come Newhubs hot shot journos/ investigative reporters Paddy Gower and Jenna Lynch didn’t leak info on there own stations demise before yesterdays so called shock announcement?
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February 29, 2024 8:48am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqVgQnh_Spk
Mitch McConnell to step down as Senate Republican leader.
Republican Senator Mitch McConnell has announced he will step down as party leader in November.
The Kentucky Senator, who turned 82 last week, will leave as the longest-serving Senate leader in history.
The minority leader says he plans to hold on to his seat in the chamber – his current term ending in 2027.
He announced his plans on the Senate floor, claiming he still has enough “gas in the tank” to continue proving his critics wrong.
Speculation about Mr McConnell’s political future has grown in recent months after freezing at a number of public appearances.
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February 29, 2024 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is a RINO and needs to retire. He freezes in speeches, and gets led away.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:35am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, its soon to be a trifecta. RINO McDaniel is gone from the GOP. And Hilary Haley is on the way out.
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:55pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  He should go now as after watching the videos of him freezing, he is clearly not fit for purpose. Retire immediately and enjoy life that’s left.
  
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  February 29, 2024 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Got another email on McConnell this afternoon.
  
  As Senate Majority Leader I say he has had it explained to him and pushed. Get out RINO or we throw you out.
  “Mitch McConnell threatened Donald Trump with a conviction on impeachment if he were to pardon Julian Assange.” Video by Tucker Carlson.
  Well now the boot is on the other foot. Clearly the true Republicans and Patriot want a new GOP, with the RINOs gone!
  Look at Nikki Haley. She is mostly 30 points behind Trump, but the Democrats are bankrolling her. Dems know she is a closet warmonger.
  McConnell knows he is now finished.
  
  https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/mcconnell-to-resign-in-shocking-move-uncovering-the-truth-behind-the-controversy-02-28-2024/?
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  I’d have a quiet bet that McConnell will go before the November election. Rumour is that his health issues will force an early exit.
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:30pm
Nukuleka

It is interesting that last night’s post made at 6.17 pm has received, as of 8.47 am today, not one comment. One might be forgivenen for concluding that no one gives a tuppeny toss and that Kiwibloggers are somewhat bored with single- minded self- obsession.
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February 29, 2024 8:51am
Stellaboxer

Woke up this morning realised I was in my caravan, peeped outside to see a beautiful Pohara beach morning and then remembered Newshub had gone skint and was shutting down. Oh joy of joys what a perfect morning.
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February 29, 2024 8:53am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGrWIVWQtK4
David Seymour Talks Waitangi Tribunal & Māori Health Authority.
Sean Plunket talks to Regulation Minister David Seymour about the Waitangi Tribunal & Māori Health Authority. [Lets hope the gravy train loses more passengers, and carriages.]
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February 29, 2024 8:56am
rangelife

I imagine the next cab off the rank may well be Stuff.

Though the MSM may be shrinking over time, the blatant bias will remain. Traditional journalism is a sunset industry, which pays relatively poorly. So it’s hardly going to attract the nation’s best and brightest – those that do go into that field these days tend to be mediocre, with a collective reef socialist mentality. Given their situation and prospects, it’s only natural that they harbour resentment to those elsewhere in society that work hard to get ahead, and create wealth.
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February 29, 2024 9:00am
- Oskar
  
  Sir Bob Jones thinks Stuff is Stuffed
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2024/02/28/is-stuff-stuffed-2/
  
  He notes that newspapers are sustained by an aging demographic who read newspapers from a life long habit – but this demographic is dying off and those under 35 never even hold a newspaper.
  He then puts the boot into The Post
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:02am
  - KH
    
    I read the Otago Daily Times every morning. It’s a great paper.
    Local news is excellent. International not so much.
    But to keep up, it’s very useful.
    And yes. Newshub was rubbish.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:04am
  - David Garrett
    
    Oskar: I see Sir Bob shares my frustration with the daily litany of spelling and grammatical mistakes in the MSM. The most egregious example he gives: a sentence in the Post which apparently begins “Me and….”
    
    Close behind, the misuse of “a” and “an” as indefinite articles, reflecting the poor teaching of English over a generation.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:42am
    - Flossie
      
      The use of then instead of than makes me so frustrated.
      
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      February 29, 2024 12:02pm
    - cmm
      
      One might hope that journalists are wordsmiths and can demonstrate their art.
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t wait!
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:36am
- Damocles11
  
  Tova O’Briens column today:
  “I don’t want to imagine New Zealand without Newshub’.
  Bahahahahahahahahahaha.
  How hopelessly deluded can a person be?!
  It’s a fricken media outlet, not something truly vital to the life of this nation.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:50am
- Paulus
  
  More Important is to ban ALL Vaping now !
  Its health problems far outweigh cigarette smoking as we will see shortly.
  It is taking time to damage vapers lung irrecoverably.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:24pm
- sungsamning
  
  Yeah, I think they’ll be gone by June. Fake News Hub may beat them. June is a while away.
  
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  February 29, 2024 5:58pm
Grunter

I see ‘Baghdad Bob’ (Zelensky) is at it again….

“….acknowledging that 31,000 soldiers have been killed and saying 2024 will be decisive for the outcome of the conflict.”

Less manpower
Less airpower
Less ammo
But we are winning and are about to have a decisive outcome.

How can anyone take this guy seriously? (Downticks in 5,4,3,…..)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/25/zelenskiy-puts-figure-on-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-for-first-time-at-31000?
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February 29, 2024 9:00am
- James Stephenson
  
  How can anyone take this guy seriously? (Downticks in 5,4,3,…..)
  
  He’s the elected leader of a people who are obviously prepared to put everything on the line to resist bullying from their neighbouring Kleptocracy?
  
  I guess you’re one of those avidly watching Tucker Carlson’s recent Putin-fellating output.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:35am
  - Grunter
    
    I watch many sources. Few are trusted. Many are obvious BS (like the link above).
    
    Yes I watched the Putin interview. I also watched the more recent Zelensky interview.
    
    Just being realistic – Ukraine was never in any position to win this war. Fewer people. Less airpower. And now running short of ammo which was always going to happen.
    
    That does not mean I like Putin. But Zelensky is clearly full of BS.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:29am
  - Taieri
    
    He’s the elected leader of a people
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    He’s the elected leader of a people who cancelled last year’s parliamentary election and cancelled presidential election scheduled for March 2024.
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:41am
    - James Stephenson
      
      The UK general election scheduled for 1945 didn’t happen either. I wonder what the linking factor could possibly be?
      
      I’m also sure that there were a fair number of people, outside the UK, hearing “We will fight them on the beaches…” and thinking that Churchill was full of BS.
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:15pm
  - KH
    
    You miss the point that of Ukraine’s own people Russian speakers were/are persecuted, frequently killed.
    Some even formed breakaway republics.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:08am
    - Damocles11
      
      It’s not so much a ‘point’ as an assertion.
      – At the time of the Euromaidan both Donetsk and Luhansk had very substantial Russian speaking populations, but were majority ethnic Ukrainian. This is my benchmark. Both these areas have been to a degree ethnically cleansed, with Ukrainians leaving either due to the war or because of a desire not to live under the control of Russian proxies.
      – The ‘insurgency’ in Donetsk and Luhansk from 2014 onwards was carried out by Russian operatives under the command of FSB officer Igor Girkin, and augmented by regular army and irregular forces from Russia. The conflict could never have been sustained without the initial and ongoing actions of Russia.
      – For every claim that it was Ukraine violating the Minsk agreements, it is a simple statement of fact to say that under these agreements the insurgents were supposed to disarm and Ukraine was supposed to control the borders of both Donetsk and Luhansk. And neither of these things ever happened. So that tends to nullify any further debate or discussion on the Minsk agreements: they were dead in the water even before they were signed, Russia never had any intention of abiding by them; they were only ever useful to Russia as a propaganda tool to cry ‘we went into this in good faith, we are abiding by them, the dastardly Ukrainians are violating them’.
      
      It is enough to state that Russia sees Ukraine as an extension of itself and only ever envisages it attaining a veneer of independence under tight Russian control. As soon as we realise this, everything else becomes clear. And for Russia, ‘the ends justify the means’. So there has been a massive propaganda war ongoing from day 1. Sadly, many believe fanciful tales that Ukraine was trying to carry out a ‘genocide’ in Donetsk and Luhansk. The yearly civilian and military casualty figures for each year of the conflict from 2014 to 2021 prove this claim has always been nonsense.
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:13pm
    - mawm
      
      KH – your down tickers obviously have never heard that the Ukrainian army were repeatedly shelling the civilians in Russian speaking regions. Prior to Putin’s SMO something like 20 000 civilians, including women and children, had been killed by them.
      
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      February 29, 2024 2:21pm
- rockape
  
  We , and I mean the West, should give them some weaponry capable of reaching Moscow. Then watch the Russian people end the war and end their leader.
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:00am
  - Grunter
    
    And then what happens?
    
    Seriously? Explain, without name calling & emotion, what would happen if ‘The West’ bombed Moscow?
    
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    February 29, 2024 10:25am
    - Taieri
      
      what would happen if ‘The West’ bombed Moscow?
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      The Moscow would bomb the West.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:22am
Maggie Pie

Looks like Golly has engaged a real hi-powered legal practice.
I see Annabell Cresswell describes herself as a Specialist-Jury-Trial-Lawyer.
Her practice covers defending those accused of ‘murder’, violent crime’, ‘sexual offences’, ‘terrorism’ and ‘drug offending’

https://www.pohutukawachambers.co.nz/barristers/annabellcresswell

May even be able to include ‘shoplifting’ in the bio?
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February 29, 2024 9:03am
- cmm
  
  It’s going to be difficult to turn around and claim it is all minor offending.
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:19am
- peterwn
  
  Has she got Grade 8 in Violin?
  
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  February 29, 2024 9:19am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: Ms Creswell is a fine lawyer according to her colleague FES…and he should know. He does opine that she will be something of a miracle worker if she obtains diversion for GG in the light of there now being four charges for “lifting” on four separate occasions.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    People with knowledge of the situation are saying legal fees
    could be costing her in the region of 4 – 5k an hour.
    Does that sound right to you DG?
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:57am
- Bobba Fret
  
  GG is a lawyer. She should defend herself and save some coin.
  
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  February 29, 2024 1:05pm
  - grumpy
    
    She only defends mass murderers and war criminals
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:22pm
Oskar

I see that Michael Bassett does not have much time for the news on TVOne
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-tv-one-still-doesn-t-get-the-message

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-urgent-action-required-now-over-tv-one
Bassett really took one for the team in watching TVOne news.
It was interesting to read that TV3 news has greater viewing numbers than TVOne news. Bassett’s analysis shows why.
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February 29, 2024 9:21am
- Paulus
  
  Maiki Sherman now becomes Queen of Obtuse memory for TVNZ.
  Wonder woman, now the others have been eliminated.
  She is as bad if not worse that those recently stuffed out.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-2/
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February 29, 2024 9:22am
kowtow

Talking of the demise of te media ;

Yesterday the Herald ran a story about the dastardly deeds of the ‘colonisers’ offering guns for the purchase of Hauraki Gulf Islands and the deed up for auction in the UK , 1826 transaction.

That article quoted a 1966 book , Old Manukau saying the settlers gave up that particular attempt partly because of the evidence of “cannibal feasts” thereabouts but also cos of the threatening nature of the locals.

Today the Herald runs an editorial on same .

Concluding paragraph ” Although such historical documents ( the deed) make for challenging and confronting reading, we should never forget that murky episode of history” , this in the context of the prior paragraph “crass bumbling dealings of those offering muskets for prime land paved the way for the European takeover of New ZSealand impacting generations of Maori and are bound to affect whanau in coming years”

‘Arf a mo’ mate . Your editorial has deliberately , willfully omitted the information from yesterday , “cannibal feasts.”
And while we’re commanded to never forget a failed land purchase , why are we not exorted to never forget constant tribal warfare , slavery , hunger and uncontrolled chiefly power .

You can’t have it both ways and therein their continued road to failure .

Which raises the issue of why they are so rabidly pro Ardernism and Labour , they know these spendthrift , reckless rulers would bail them out.

A dangerously anti democratic symbiosis between the estate that should be separate and holding the other to account.
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February 29, 2024 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  Please get with the programme my dear kowtow.
  
  The Maori were spiritual fairy-people living in total harmony among themselves and with the environment.
  
  That was until those dastardly pakeha came along.
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:12am
  - Paulus
    
    And of course Maori till live in Harmony with other Maori – like the predominantly Maori gangs for example.
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:34pm
- cmm
  
  The only reason it is “prime land” is because the white man came and built a city there making it valuable.
  
  The land itself is of little value until the white man came and developed it.
  
  Why is an acre of Auckland worth more than an acre of Opononi? Nothing to do with the value of the land. All to do with the fact that one is Opononi and the other is Auckland.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:55am
- Paulus
  
  Of course the Herald can have it any way they want until they go bust, like Newshub and Stuff,
  to follow.
  Still twisted but will not learn.
  Maori do not buy newspapers, let alone the Herald.
  What is the pint number not what is the circulation that we are told.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:32pm
tknorriss

Time to take TV1 off the tax-payer tit as well.

Why should we be subsidising media organisations to indoctrinate us with woke propaganda? If they have to stand on their own two feet, they might actually start thinking about framing the news in an honest and unbiased way.

Really, I don’t see much value in TV news or anything else that is offered. It is either feeding us what they want us to know, while ignoring all sorts of important news that could be covered. And, then all we get is endless reality TV shows that are mindless garbage.
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February 29, 2024 9:29am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The thing is that the media these days seems to think that their job isn’t just to give us the news, it’s to give us their opinions instead.
  
  I already have opinions, why would I care about the opinions of a bunch of clueless, cloistered “journalists”?
  
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  February 29, 2024 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hard addiction to beat. TVNZ or Govt TV has been around since the 1960s.
  Yes! Us Net Taxpayers have been filling the trough for them for that many years.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:12pm
imalwaysright

Does this mean that John Campbell is now our single source of Truth?!
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February 29, 2024 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  No, Maiki Sherman !
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, John Campbell teaches the younger gotcha types how to lie and get away with it.
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:14pm
Its only I

Its official, Trumps Lawyer [Mod – unnecessary] Habba has just written to court explaining Trump does NOT have the money to pay his fines for rapeing and pillaging.
He lied,
Habba lied,
Trump is skint and burning down the republican party to be king of the ashes.

Now that mitch has just quit and Maga has no restraints…I vote Marjorie Taylor Greene as replacement…murica needs to develop a defence for those Jewish space lasers she goes on about.

RIP mitch, you will be remembered for your biggest failure for longer than your time served, legislation passed and dodgy judge placements…a coward in the face of a makeup wearing reality TV star and failed property developer even though you knew and gave a speech about the dangers of treasonous Trump.

Trigger warning…

no Trump cultist will leave the cancel culture button alone after that…lol
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February 29, 2024 9:44am
- Matt Long
  
  Number one rule of the wealthy, own nothing but control as much as you can.
  That way if you’re ever sued you can claim poverty.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Of course you have proof and links to this?
  5 and 1/2 hours and you have not bothered to justify your comments.
  If you look in a mirror you will see that your Trump Derangement Syndrome Petticoat is showing out of the bottom of your dress.
  “Trigger warning” Thanks for letting us know you have been triggered!
  MAGA. Trump 2024. Come and tell me when he has lost the Election – unless you are an assassination supporter.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:21pm
  - Ghost
    
    You do know how to use google don’t you? It’s been widely reported that his lawyer has asked to post $100 million bond because he couldn’t access the markets to borrow the money needed, the request was turned down.
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Leticia James wants to see Trump Tower crumble.
      Oh, and the google machine is 4 time fuller of TDS than it was 5 years ago.
      Apparently Trump has $4M is cash, not assets able to be converted into cash. Prob in a safe at Mar a Lago, unless the FBI stole it.
      Anyway, why would Trump not be able to access the markets? Are the lying, cheating Democrats using their swamp to stop him?
      
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      February 29, 2024 3:40pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nancy is too busy investing in john keys company
        
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        February 29, 2024 3:54pm
  - Its only I
    
    Sorry Steve O, still working so not online at regular times.
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:30pm
- virtualmark
  
  McConnell may be leaving, but I’d have to disagree that he’s been a failure.
  
  I don’t like the way he obstructed legitimately elected Presidents (Obama in particular), but to be fair he had the power and used it. And he never bent the knee to Trump, beyond what would always be expected of a GOP Senator working with a GOP President.
  
  My main gripe would be that he should have voted to impeach Trump for Jan 6. McConnell clearly saw Jan 6 for what it was – an insurrection bordering on attempted coup. But I think he made the calculation that Trump was on the way out anyway in 2020, and so didn’t need to court controversy in GOP-land by impeaching him as he was leaving. He should have done the right thing.
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:35pm
  - Its only I
    
    I agree.
    
    How long before he writes a book?
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Oh FGS
    Your insurrection nonsense is up there with all your Russia Russia Russia collusion BS
    Get some help for your delusions
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:52pm
Chuck Bird

By Sabine Hossenfelde

I Was Worried about Climate Change. Now I worry about Climate Scientists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEZ9HFlqzms
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February 29, 2024 9:46am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I saw that pop up in my feed, but didn’t bother to watch it because she seems to think we’re in the middle of some sort of climate crisis, and fossil fuels are to blame. I assumed this vid would be about some scientists not fully on board with the idea that we need to live like stone-age Africans.
  Was I wrong?
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Yes. She is not a climate alarmist.
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:32am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Yeah, I dunno about that. She has this idea that we need to “stop climate change”. That’s a very odd thing for a scientist of any sort to say.
      At least she realises that the actual value of ECS matters.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:49am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        She has this idea that we need to “stop climate change”.
        
        Most climate scientists think so even ones like Judith Curry but insist there is no climate emergency.
        
        I find it interesting that the alarmists oppose nuclear power although tripling nuclear power was recommended at COP 18.
        
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        February 29, 2024 11:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

At times like this I feel pleased that youngest daughter dropped her Uni Comms course and took up a trade.
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February 29, 2024 9:51am
stiff cheese

Re John Key (yesterday) saying house prices would double in the next 10 years.
Well, he’s right if the long term trend seen from 1999 – 2019 returns**. How did the ‘House Price Index’ and ‘Hourly Income’ grow over that 20-year period?

• House Price Index: average increase each year was — 6.8%

• Hourly Income: average increase each year was — 3.2%.

That’s National and Labour, folks!!! . . . Screwing up the prospects for oncoming generations for at least 2 decades now. Both parties overseeing policies that inflate house prices at a much faster rate than incomes can grow to keep up.
House Prices 1990-2023 | Reserve Bank
Income growth | Reserve Bank

** I cut out the distortion of the housing market caused by Covid, by ending the series at Dec, 2019. (after that date, the HPI rose by 49% in 2 just years!!!).
***Geometric Mean used to get average annual rates of change.
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February 29, 2024 9:52am
Clown

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/510447/price-of-common-foods-soars-more-than-50-percent-in-nz-report

Nice, we’re being compared to Africa. Thanks Jacinda and her labour cronies!
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February 29, 2024 9:58am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Well, eggs practically tripled in price because we fell for this greenie idea that chickens are people too, or something like that.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:32am
Inandout

From a 2002 Labour announcement regarding splitting transmission and broadcasting:

‘How will TVNZ receive its funding in the future?

TVNZ will receive funding from advertisers, New Zealand On Air and the Crown. In future the government will have to make a explicit decision about the level of funding it will make available to TVNZ through the annual budget process.

This is more transparent and accountable than having TVNZ receive some of its revenue from the revenue generated by the transmission side of the company at the discretion of the formerly proposed TVNZ Group Board.

The government allocated $12 million a year to TVNZ to meet costs associated with implementing its charter in the 2002 Budget’.
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February 29, 2024 10:01am
Chuck Bird

Jane Smith, one very smart farmer.

North Otago farmer, and award-winning environmentalist, offers her scorecard on the Government’s progress as the 100-day plan deadline looms.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1049-the-country-28628176/episode/the-country-280224-jane-smith-talks-154674005/
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February 29, 2024 10:05am
Yvette

… when we reference “Te Tiriti o Waitangi” we are specifically acknowledging the “Te Reo Māori translation” of the Treaty of Waitangi as the genuine agreement. This is because we choose to apply the Contra Proferentem doctrine of international law, that recognises when two versions of a contractual document exist, and there is ambiguity in a stated agreement, then the preferred meaning should be the one that works against the party who drafted the agreement, and in the case
of the Treaty of Waitangi both versions were drafted by the English. We therefore accept the “Te Reo Māori text of Te Tiriti o Waitangi “as taking precedence over the English version on any point where there is disagreement of interpretation …
These two keystone documents, when read in conjunction with the current legislation, establish the platform on which sits our decisions as the body responsible for the governance of the Pharmacy Council of New Zealand – Te Pou Whakamana Kaimatū o Aotearoa. They feed into our mission, our vision, our values and ultimately our perception of our organisation.

See? – in this example a question is “hidden in plain sight” – the authors tell you “in the case of the Treaty of Waitangi both versions were drafted by the English”

The International Law regarding Contra Proferentem doctrine might apply if the Maori version was written by Maori, but it is not, so of the English text written by the English or the Maori text also written by the English, which is the real deal – or, for nearly two centuries later, is neither?

Were the English writers of either text that fore-seeing and prophetic – good God! We are writing a nation’s founding documen, to rival the United States Constitution, to last for fore-seeable eons – or did they just write a real estate and protection agreement for the mid-nineteenth century context (not intended as a pun)?
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February 29, 2024 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  International Law dictates that the Treaty in Maori takes precedence over anything written in English.
  Try this about 5.45 min in:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
  What happened as the Treaty was created explained.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:01am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Paul Moon talked about this on The Platform. He argues that The Treaty isn’t a contract at all, so not subject to this idea that the Maori version should take precedence.
  I guess it’s right there in the name.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:35am
stewmar

So it seems that flags all over the country are flying at half mast today? This is something that is normally done to honour renowned dignitaries.
I wouldn’t have put Efeso Collins in that category.
As far as I can tell he was a decent bloke from South Auckland who failed in his Mayoral race and didn’t do anything on a Nation wide stage. RIP Efeso.
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February 29, 2024 10:26am
- BeaB
  
  It’s the height of wokeness. Just because he was a nice, smiling, Pasifika lefty.
  
  It’s a low bar these days.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:30am
- MCōs
  
  Flags are flown at half mast on days government buildings on days of mourning at the direction of the Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage, the Hon Paul Goldsmith
  So now you know
  BTW
  He was a well known local body politician around these parts prior to his run for the mayoralty.
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:17pm
Taieri

A few recent headlines:

“The Otago Regional Council is considering a potential 21.3 percent rates rise”
“Environment Canterbury proposes a rates hike of 24.2 percent”
“Warning of 20% rates hike for Dunedin”
“Draft plan reveals Christchurch council plans 15.8% rates rise”
“Average 9.17% rate rise in store for Invercargill ratepayers”

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark, methinks…
Why do we tolerate this?
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February 29, 2024 10:35am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’ve been whinging about rates rises for years, asking the same question.
  At the end of the day, I guess the amount we’re paying just doesn’t hurt enough.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:37am
- cmm
  
  “Why do we tolerate this?”
  
  Because the “we” that vote are not necessarily the “we” paying the rates.
  
  As long as non-ratepayers vote in council elections they will vote for more hand outs.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:48am
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder if it’s even worse and whether councillors who aren’t rate payers can stand ?
    
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    February 29, 2024 12:42pm
BeaB

Spare me the tears. The MSM let us all down during Covid by their infatuation with Ardern and Labour which meant soft interviews, no analysis of policies, no criticism or opposing views. At an extraordinary time in our nation’s history, our media acted as a propaganda arm of the government in the most appallingly servile and complicit fashion.
They do not deserve to survive They failed us totally when measured against all their ridiculously lofty ideals. Or even by our low expectations of them.
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February 29, 2024 10:52am
Flossie

I watched TV 3 news last night and concluded a couple of things.
One, two persons read a sentence each from an autocue. These people are neither journalists nor “stars” and the job could easily be done by one reasonably presentable person with an acceptable voice tone and abilty to read.
Two, the whole lot of those on screen are remarkably tied up in their own importance.
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February 29, 2024 10:52am
- cmm
  
  The job will be replaced by an AI within a couple of years.
  The neat thing about software is that it doesn’t need a $500k salary. Nor does it have feelings.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    AI will make more sense, but is AI able to lie, mislead, divert attention (oh look a squirrel) even put up a fence protecting corruption?
    That is where AI is heading imo.
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:45pm
Maggie Pie

Exactly as I feared yesterday…
the closure of Newshub is likely to have far wider ramifications 🙁

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1762953323181638065
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February 29, 2024 10:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You might have to take up Bingo or Scrabble to while away your idle hours.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You guys ever been to a ‘Key Party’ ? 😛
    
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    February 29, 2024 11:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He never sent us an invitation.
      
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      February 29, 2024 11:40am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😀
        
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        February 29, 2024 11:43am
- Ghost
  
  That’s alright they are going to be replaced
  
  Remuera DIY
  Remuera Wife Swap
  Remuera Drug Patrol
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:41am
- graham
  
  Big audience winners like The Block, Married at First Sight NZ, the Traitors, all those shows are under jeopardy,” a screen production executive warns
  
  If they really are “big audience winners” then some other service will pick them up. Supply and demand 101.
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:06pm
BeaB

Interested that even on The Standard there’s little sympathy for Newshub.
Perhaps all we need is some plain, unbiased news reporting without fancy sets and clothes, no foreign correspondents, no overseas junkets. We can all get all the news we need nowadays from wherever we want.
Back to basics. It works in education. Might work in news reporting too.
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February 29, 2024 11:09am
Chuck Bird

His mobility issues are not that important. Former President Roosevelt used a wheelchair. It is his mental health that is the issue.

Biden’s physical ‘identified no new concerns,’ his doctor says

https://6abc.com/president-joe-biden-phsyical-exam/14475982/
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February 29, 2024 11:12am
Chris Nisbet

Wee note to Stuff….
You could turn into a decent, balanced, media outlet tomorrow and I would _still_ not visit your site.
You need to apologise to us for what you’ve done. You need to tell us that you realise the treachery of your ways.
Maybe then I would consider seeing what you have to offer.
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February 29, 2024 11:41am
- cmm
  
  “You need to apologise to us for what you’ve done. You need to tell us that you realise the treachery of your ways.”
  
  … and then put them on probation.
  
  They have broken trust and need to earn it back. Just promising to try to do better is not enough.
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:43am
- kowtow
  
  C’mon Comrades , stop visiting their websites and send them down the shitter , one less click at a time.
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nah! Let the fools keep getting programed and report back to us on KB.
    They are doing a good job, possibly better than a Stuff churnalist.
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:50pm
Damocles11

Some more from ‘Stuffs’ stomach-churningly woke and self-congratulatory appeal for donations is below.

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‘On the first of June 2020, in the middle of the first nationwide lockdown, Stuff was purchased for a one dollar coin, inspired by the belief in walking your own path. Following no one.

On that day Stuff became a wholly New Zealand-owned media organisation, answerable only to the people of Aotearoa. Since then we’ve worked to create a company that’s fiercely independent in its thinking and actions. Reimagining what a media platform is and can be.

More nīwha (bold), imaginative and surprising. More joyful and human. More committed to equality and Te Tiriti o Waitangi. More of and for this place. Because we are.‘

——

The fact that Boucher picked up a failing media company for a buck and now presents herself as the lady muck of the New Zealand media industry is grating. Hiring the nauseating Tova O’Brien while virtually simultaneously letting go a swag of loyal staff also indicates a rotten culture beneath the woke facade.
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February 29, 2024 11:47am
artemisia

The PIJF has been reported as having some funding available until 2026. If the recipient organisation folds, does the money have to be paid back?
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February 29, 2024 11:48am
John Loveridge

“Married At First Sight New Zealand, The Block NZ and Traitors NZ are all at risk under proposed changes at Three, a screen production executive is warning.”

Oh dear God! The tragedy just never ends.
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February 29, 2024 11:50am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Oh my god John, you don’t watch mafs!!?? I haven’t seen a NZ version for many years but the Aussie version is a total train wreck with nutters who clearly should remain single… its addictive watching 🙂
  
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  February 29, 2024 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

WOW – People are finding this image amazing!

How the Princess Diana would have looked today if she wasn’t dead.

https://twitter.com/PhillyMister/status/1762774216103903244

(You can tell she wasn’t a horribkle smoker like some of them 🙁 )
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February 29, 2024 11:50am
- Ghost
  
  Michael Jackson looks weird with a beard and Freddy Mercury, can’t recognise him
  
  https://www.deccanherald.com/archives/artist-uses-ai-to-show-how-dead-celebs-would-look-like-if-they-were-older-1148336-1452007#4
  
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  February 29, 2024 11:56am
  - Jethrod
    
    Gosh what will Biden look like in 4 years?
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:20pm
    - Ghost
      
      Biden in 1 year
      
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      February 29, 2024 1:56pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Unmarked grave. Sensible.
        
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        February 29, 2024 3:43pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        A ghost
        
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        February 29, 2024 4:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I think the engraver is ready anytime soon. It may be before the Election.
        You hear that Hillary? When will you move in?
        
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        February 29, 2024 4:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @John.
        Could be the right side – so what is on the left side of the stone?
        
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        February 29, 2024 4:42pm
  - Inandout
    
    After this shouting why wasn’t she removed from the Chamber?
    https://www.southcoastregister.com.au/story/8538648/renegade-senator-slammed-for-appalling-shouting-match/
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:28pm
  - Flossie
    
    Michael Jackson never appeared to need to even shave so growing a beard really stretches credibility.
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did you ever see Michael and Janet together?
      
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      February 29, 2024 4:50pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: I actually think she would have looked somewhat better than that…a rather ordinary looking Sloan Ranger turned into one of the world’s most beautiful women.
  
  The tragedy is that if someone had told the then 19 year old kindy teacher what being married to Charlie actually involved – producing an heir and a spare and then studiously ignoring Charlie’s long time infatuation with Camilla – the poor woman may well be alive today…totally unknown, happily married to some Hooray Henry no-one has ever heard of.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:15pm
- Biscuit
  
  Princess Diana is DEAD?
  
  Why wasn’t I told?
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:05pm
mandk

Has anyone claimed yet that the closure of Newshub is racist and anti-Maori?

Come on TPM, you’re slacking.
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February 29, 2024 12:00pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Well some have complained that it is bad for democracy and as democracy has ‘changed’ maybe they think that is a good thing? Who knows in their mixed up reality….
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Watching the footage of the back room , mostly girls and boys ,leaving the premises , I got the impression it was a very white workforce .
  
  All those brown faces and voices the tv/radio stations are so anxious to present us Plebs in the ads and with their front persons is more hypocritical brownwashing.
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:51pm
  - MCōs
    
    You talking about the Indian bloke in the ANZ ads showing the kids how to play cricket?
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:59pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ah so , you noticed too !
      
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      February 29, 2024 3:07pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Waititi the cowboy has.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The cowboy is more so racist, but let him dig his own grave.
    In a hole? Stop digging. Not this cowboy with his trademarks.
    
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    February 29, 2024 6:39pm
Ghost

Weren’t meant to come across the Americans……

A disc-shaped, completely silent UFO was caught on camera by Ukrainian troops in the war-torn country, in footage shared exclusively with DailyMail.com.

‘What the f-[expletive] is this? Why isn’t it moving?’ the men with Ukraine’s 406th Battalion can be heard debating as they witnessed the deadly calm UFO hovering over their warzone.

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February 29, 2024 12:16pm
- Rusty
  
  @Ghost
  
  There is an American investigative journalist called Linda Moulton Howe who is convinced UFOs have been coming to this earth since the dawn of time.
  
  Yes I know we have heard it all before and wheres the photographic evidence? etc, But she has documented some strange cases of animals surgically mutilated on American farms.
  
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  February 29, 2024 12:56pm
Tony Stuart

Gerry Brownlee is starting to warm to the role of Speaker. He has been noticeably more relaxed this week, and it shows in the way the House is running.

Brownlee in particular has started chipping Deputy PM Winston Peters for his out-of-order supplementary questions and frivolous points-of-order. He got a beauty in yesterday telling Peters after one particularly inane intervention:

You know the rules. In fact you’ve been here so long you probably wrote the rules!

Peters just grinned. I suspect they’re going to have a whole lot of fun chipping away good-naturedly at each other over the next year and a half, as Peters occupies the DPM’s seat. It would never have happened with Trevor Mallard!
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February 29, 2024 12:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yet the twitterati are saying Jer is coming across a bit wet and dopey.
  People with knowledge of the situation reckon he needs to ‘get a bit of Trevor in him’ and start ejecting a few of the clowns on the left.
  
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  February 29, 2024 1:06pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Far too many points of order…… frivolous and many more than Trevor got
    
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    February 29, 2024 1:23pm
DimChappie

80-year-old man gets 4 years jail for tragic mercy killing of his ailing wife. Meanwhile criminal scum, including gang members, get to enjoy home detention for terrible acts, often life changing for victims. But because this man is of European origin, he gets a term which might as well be life at his age.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/510478/80-year-old-jailed-for-killing-his-wife-in-retirement-village
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February 29, 2024 1:02pm
- David Garrett
  
  Dim: Yes, that old man case is utterly tragic. Thank God the Sentencing Act contains a provision allowing a judge to pass a sentence less harsh than life imprisonment in cases like this.
  
  I still think the sentence is rather harsh compared to similar cases where the murderer in a suicide pact has not gone to jail at all. Jail is no place for a clearly frail 80 year old man.
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:06pm
  - MCōs
    
    The guy will probably be out in twelve months.
    There’s no indication in the Stuff article he’s ‘frail’
    
    From the Stuff article
    “Crown prosecutor Anna Pollett argued this was not a mercy killing, and had selfish elements.”
    The judge obviously disagreed
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:50pm
Lee C

I think Stuff will follow. This will also make me smile.

As Confucious remarked.

“If you sit by the river long enough, the bodies of all your enemies will float by.”
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February 29, 2024 1:02pm
Bridgenag

Media-Government Collusion
Media Censorship and the First Amendment: A threat to Freedom and the Republic

In America and all over the world, media companies, institutions, and journalism schools have failed all of us. And for too long we have allowed nonprofit organizations to masquerade as nonpartisan media watchdogs, when in fact they are a little more than highly paid political propagandists and assassins, whose entire reason for being is to crush anyone who stands in their way.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/lara-logan-outs-corporate-media-government?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=webscience.
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February 29, 2024 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…

“The only way to save Newshub is to have a more Te Tiriti centric approach to kaupapa Maori, Te Ao Maori, and korero news across the Aotearoa motu, rather than the colonial approach to broadcasting”

– Rawiri Waititi
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February 29, 2024 1:57pm
- MCōs
  
  Most of the people who contribute to this forum wouldn’t know what you’re on about
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:22pm
  - Grunter
    
    Agree!
    
    Most of the people living in NZ (or anywhere!) wouldn’t know what he’s on about either.
    
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    February 29, 2024 2:54pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I think I can translate. Increase taxes on everyone that doesn’t have charitable or Maori trust tax free status and then pay newshub to provide editorial justification for this and more besides.
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:57pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    He only gets traction because of gullible lefty space cadets (mostly left-brainwashed kiddies).
    
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    February 29, 2024 6:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah, that’ll work….
  
  I thought that’s why we, the taxpayer, are already putting Million$ into Maori TV and Radio.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-media-wont-be-measured-by-audience-because-its-a-treaty-obligation/B2O5ZVBWCRFHTLIHN7KOUPJDAQ/
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:27pm
  - Swifty
    
    Jobs for the boys, and girls.
    
    Just further evidence that under the guise of supposed ‘treaty obligations’ politicians now have an open license, an open ticket, to divert vast sums of taxpayer money into the pockets of their supporters.
    
    And if you oppose this, you are a filthy racist and the mob will come after you.
    
    They just couldn’t have engineered this any better. It’s just perfect.
    
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    February 29, 2024 5:13pm
MCōs

I was sitting here on the lazy boy watching the cricket like the lazy beneficiary I am, thinking Neil Wagner must be wondering how come Kuggeleijn got picked ahead of him
Nek minnit
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February 29, 2024 2:08pm
- MCōs
  
  W 30.6 Scott Kuggeleijn to Labuschagne
  OUT! CAUGHT! Marnus Labuschagne has to walk back after looking very tentative. Scott Kuggeleijn bowls it nicely on a nagging length around off and gets the ball to shape away a touch off the deck,
  
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  February 29, 2024 2:14pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  What the f**k are you on about Cossie?
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:10pm
  - MCōs
    
    The lazy boy in front of the tv as I previously said
    If I was at the Basin I’d be on the grass bank
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:34pm
Yabster

I see Harcourts Howick have fired Janet Dickinson – gutless woke pricks- Public should boycott Harcourts and Howick especially, her boss is Shane Prasad.
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February 29, 2024 2:22pm
- John Loveridge
  
  That’s very disappointing.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:46pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I hope another, better Real Eastate co gives her a job. Best to avoid Harcourts, Howick, then.
    
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    February 29, 2024 4:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      I doubt anyone will. Her license is about to expire. The fault belongs with REA. No one will hire her for the few weeks her license is active. No one would want to list a property with an agent who only has a couple of weeks left. Their hands are tied. Without a license she cannot work.
      
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      February 29, 2024 4:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wonder if his Christian name is really…. ‘Shane’?
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:36pm
- Albie
  
  Jeez Yabster! What have you got against Howick? I live here and it’s a great little place!
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:44pm
Ghost

The Government has announced they will designate Hamas in its entirety as a terrorist entity.

“The terrorist attacks by Hamas in October 2023 were brutal and we have unequivocally condemned them,” Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said in a statement.

Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters New Zealand said the military wing of Hamas had been designated as a terrorist entity since 2010.

“But what happened on October 7 reinforces we can no longer distinguish between the military and political wings of Hamas. The organisation as a whole bears responsibility for these horrific terrorist attacks,” Peters said.

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February 29, 2024 3:17pm
- cmm
  
  What took so long?
  
  Now add UNRWA.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:58pm
  - MCōs
    
    Why?
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:49pm
Maggie Pie

Just browsing thru the library selecting a book to read in bed tonite and happened to catch Tanya Unkovich on telly asking a question of the PM.

OMG! What a classy lady she is….both in her appearance and demeanour.
Those on the left-of-the-house could do to take note.
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February 29, 2024 3:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So, what book did you select?
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    An old paperback with an intersting cover… ‘Marquis de Sade ‘JUSTINE’
    
    Have you read it at all Maggz?
    
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    February 29, 2024 3:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hélas, mon français est insuffisant.
      
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      February 29, 2024 4:00pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        English version, ma cherie!
        
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        February 29, 2024 4:31pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Oh do you Sheila’s like a bit of French then?
        
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        February 29, 2024 6:37pm
rockape

Quite like Damien O Connors replacement, Deborah Rhodes. Google her, you will see what I mean, they could be twins!
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February 29, 2024 3:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons when you see Damien sitting in The House these days,
  he looks like the proverbial ‘spare prick at a weeding’.
  Actually feels quite sorry for him.
  
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  February 29, 2024 3:46pm
  - rockape
    
    Down here on the Coast he is known as the invisible man.
    
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    February 29, 2024 7:52pm
Chris Nisbet

I wonder why our legacy media weren’t shouting about this from the rooftops after this news was presented at COP28…

https://spectator.org/more-cows-needed-to-reverse-climate-change-experts-say/

From WUWT.
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February 29, 2024 3:34pm
Swifty

Pakeha officials trying their best to stop Maori from illegally pillaging undersize paua – and trying to use his young child to weasel out of it.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/NDg6kMnbG5EYuLbv/?mibextid=KsPBc6

A cheap shot from me I know – but it’s important to prick the Maori wonderfulness balloon from time to time.
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February 29, 2024 3:51pm
- kevn
  
  Swifty… Conservationists, lol.
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:45pm
- Swifty
  
  What is kaitiakitanga?
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjkoWpqUQs
  
  Clearly a divide between what people say are their values to how they actually behave when no-one is watching.
  
  Whenever people use the phrase ‘Maori values’ I just know they’re either on the make or suffering from some sort of delusion.
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:58pm
- [email protected]
  
  There’s a fishing ban in Northland instigated by the local Iwi to allow the fish stocks to regenerate. Unfortunately customery rights by Maori are excluded from the ban!
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:43pm
Damocles11

Winston Peters was in top form in question time today. Anyone wanting a good laugh and an example of running rings around your opposition should definitely watch Question 12, and also the one from David Parker is worth a look as well.

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/
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February 29, 2024 3:56pm
- [email protected]
  
  It’s a credit to New Zealand that we have the ability to see videos of parliament in action.
  
  A great example of transparency.
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:27pm
MCōs

That link leads to a symposium in Auckland in a few days time featuring the author of a book reviewed here
Preview
The author couldn’t define ‘woke’ when interviewed, wrote a whole book about it
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stolen-youth-the-anti-woke-book-thats-afraid-of-everything
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February 29, 2024 3:59pm
Chuck Bird

Peters and Luxon should explain how they can enforce a two state solution. If Gaza is a separate state then they can have military alliances with other countries and also have what arms they like to attack Israel again and again and again.

This is not premium.

New Zealand designates Hamas’ political wing a terrorist entity

“The international community is overwhelmingly in favour of a future Palestinian state as part of a negotiated two-state solution.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/new-zealand-designates-hamas-political-wing-a-terrorist-entity/E25HNNZNEVB6VIGPKIBPGJQCRY/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1709173559
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February 29, 2024 3:59pm
cmm

Oh dear, I see petrol pump payments were down due to a leap year handling problem.

I know one of the programmers involved. I shall have to mock him mercilessly.

Leap years are predictable. Just some really simple testing…. but people forget to do it.
They bite people from tiny one band bands to huge organisations. Even Microsoft has had a few run-ins with bugs.

The first time I had to deal with one was in 1988. I’d just moved to Cape Town and taken over as “chief programmer” (I found out I was also the only programmer) for a company on 12th February. I was still learning about their products. A payroll system crashed on 29th. We were told about the problem at 8.30 am and were told the system needed to be fixed before people clocked off at 5pm. That was before the days of internet so we (or more correctly, I) had to:
* Find the code for a product I didn’t even know the company made.
* Set up a computer with the code.
* Set up a test system (undocumented).
* Find the bug.
* Fix it
* Test it.
* Drive about 80km through thick traffic to the factory involved.
* Install the new code into the system before 4.30.
* Sit there under the beady eye of the operations director while all the staff clocked off…
* Drive home through thick traffic to get home at about 8pm to a less-than-happy wife with a burned dinner.

The next night the wife and I went for a very good restaurant meal at the company’s expense to celebrate a 30% raise.
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February 29, 2024 4:29pm
- kevn
  
  cmm… You sound a very useful character.
  
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  February 29, 2024 4:42pm
Swifty

🎶 Lyin Luxon and his Tobacco Goons 🎵

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y4nMZ5AO9S0

The small-mindedness here, and in the comments, just astounds me.
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February 29, 2024 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This should never happen:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/donald-trump-is-stripped-from-illinois-republican-primary-ballots-as-judge-orders-him-to-be-disqualified-over-his-role-in-january-6-riots-marking-third-state-to-try-to-ban-former-president/ar-BB1j4vdy?

Key word here, “allegedly” How can the 14th Amendment apply when there has been no charge or indictment or even going to a Court?
Witch hunt by an obvious full blown Democrat Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter.
We all know that Jan 6th was instigated by Nancy Pelosi. A plain and simple Trump rally was infiltrated by extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers. Nancy enabled her daughter to set up videoing the whole thing. Nancy also denied the two attempts of Trump asking for the National Guard. 20,000? Nope. 10,000? Nope. Nothing.
Pelosi is to blame when it could have been stopped. The word was out on social media in the middle of December 2020.
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February 29, 2024 5:08pm
Ghost

So it wasn’t just Ginny

Labour has removed a social media post made by one of the party’s accounts endorsing the characterisation of Police Minister Mark Mitchell as “Mercenary Man” in a criticism of Mitchell’s past working as a private security contractor in the Middle East.

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February 29, 2024 6:01pm
- Ghost
  
  I guess congratulations to labour are in order. They have worked out what a man is.
  
  Now they just need to work out what a woman is
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:13pm
- Swifty
  
  Vile personal attacks – it’s all they’ve got.
  
  They really are the nasty party – full of nasty people.
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:23pm
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    You don’t get any personal attacks on this forum, do you
    
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    February 29, 2024 8:38pm
    - Swifty
      
      Please don’t interrupt me with inconvenient questions when I’m putting the boot into Labour I’ll thank you MCos.
      
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      February 29, 2024 9:04pm
kiwi_chileno

¡AFUERA! More good news from Argentina. Inclusive language (including pronouns) will be banned across the public service.

And the National Institute against Discrimination, Xenophobia and Racism (INADI), the equivalent of the Human Rights Commission, will be abolished. This shuts down the thought and speech police and, as a bonus, gets rid of 400 woke warriors.
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February 29, 2024 6:17pm
Maggie Pie

Bet were not the only ones siting here rasing a glass in memory of Ardern hoofing it
last year. Chris lives justround the cnr from us and I say a lilltle pray evertime I take Gladys for a walk pass his house..
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February 29, 2024 6:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It might pay to pace yourself Maggie Pie, or you’ll have the spell-checkers out in force soon.
  
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  February 29, 2024 6:49pm
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  We are much poorer without Ardern. I mean black rock would never let their news show close down if she was still in power. They would just rename it Ardernhub.
  
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  February 29, 2024 7:16pm
Beach Haven expat

Did anyone listen to Tory Whanau on HDPA?
When asked what would happen if Reading Cinema isn’t fixed, what would happen. You could literally hear the cogs moving as Tory realised she hadn’t even thought of that.
Heather then goes on to demonstrate the council may clearly bear some lost revenue and Tory denied black is white and then admitted she didn’t know and had left it up to someone else to tell her it was financially neutral.
The deal is bad enough but clearly Whanau exposed she is not just totally unsuitable for the job but is negligent as well.
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February 29, 2024 8:07pm
- MCōs
  
  I’m not entirely familiar with what’s happening with that shopping/cinema complex, but you might be able to to answer some questions
  What was the alternative if the council decided not to buy the land?
  If the deal goes through are the owners 100% committed to fixing the place up?
  What happens if they renege on their side of the deal?
  Correct answers only please, no speculation
  
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  February 29, 2024 8:47pm
Swifty

Three Waters truth revealed:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8R1gjIG3RMk
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February 29, 2024 9:01pm
Swifty

My god.

“Rep. Brian Mast of Florida questions Bonnie Jenkins, Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security at the U.S. Department of State, about her support for the creation of a ‘Palestinian State’, exposing her total ignorance on the topic.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJHeu1DR7c
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February 29, 2024 9:29pm
Paul

Servive before Self.

A good thing.

Did that ever apply to our Maori Politicians?
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