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Maggie Pie

JOHN BANKS UNCHAINED 😀 😀 😀

OMG!! This is an absolute MUST WATCH…….

https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1775046596029460789
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April 3, 2024 8:12am
- Flossie
  
  That’s brilliant!
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:40am
- bartybart
  
  absolutely brilliant! Its what you hear speaking with normal good kiwis but you never read in the red commie rags
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Used to love John when he was on Today FM.
    Look whats happened there after they dumped his talkback show.
    
    Why ZB don’t offer him a contract is beyond me!
    Obviously they prefer woke leftards like those unlistenable Rocksblah and Rowmaaan. What a pair of total turn-offs!
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:44am
    - leoj
      
      Without Hosk, I could sell my radio on Trade Me.
      
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      April 3, 2024 12:11pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Tim Beveridge is unlistenable too.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:38pm
- OlderChas
  
  Thanks, Maggie. You go, Banksie!
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Isn’t he just FAB to listen to Chas?
    
    We haven’t forgotten the time when he told people never to fill out a Census….. becos the government knows enuff about us already.
    
    Reckoned if he ever saw a Census-Taker climbing over the fence to collect forms, he’d set ‘Muldoon’ (his Alsatian) onto them. LOL!!!
    
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    April 3, 2024 11:42am
    - Paulus
      
      So if you say many did not sign the recent Censuses what are the results as they must be fiddled – like Maori at still 16.5% which is a gross overstatement.
      
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      April 3, 2024 1:37pm
- leoj
  
  Absolutely….
  
  The Labour/Greens/Maori combo is nothing but a freak show!
  
  Just look at ’em!
  
  Weirdos and freaks.
  
  Who are the idiots who vote for such weirdos and freaks?
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    Look, Helen Clark is now the Opposition Leader, along with the Media Party.
    The other rabble do not matter either.
    
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    April 3, 2024 1:39pm
Simon

Jacinda Ardern is a lying psychopath. She had paid off MSM and had a cult following. (still does, they now just hate it when anyone else outside the cult talks about her)

Yet Ardern fronted the covid vaccination roll out so many got the injections. What the hell were people thinking? You were tricked by a con woman when you knew she was a con woman??
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April 3, 2024 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m not sure what your point is. New Zealanders were coerced to be vaccinated for COVID. This was justified the claim that the vaccine stopped transmission, which it never did. Indeed Pfizer admitted subsequently that the vaccine had never been tested for its effectiveness in stopping transmission.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:31am
  - mawm
    
    Then there was gross negligence on the part of her advisors – DG of Health, MoH, etc. because that means they did not do due diligence in assessing the “vaccine”. But in the end the buck stops with her. She was the PM, it was her who pushed the fear and the “safe and effective” narrative and embarked on the process of coercion and punishing those who did not do as she said.
    
    And now we are reaping the rewards of being good citizens with increases in cardiovascular disease, malignancies, autoimmune disease, neurological disease and others. They will not be able to continue the deceit much longer as more and more gets exposed by researchers – not that you would know it unless you are reading their scientific papers.
    
    In today’s Herald is a report on a boy who died within 2 weeks of getting the vaccination. Everything in that piece does its best to deflect from the vaccine being the cause. The pathologist quoted is either uninformed and not up to date or is lying. A simple stain that is now commercially available would have differentiated the “small amount of myocarditis” found around the nodes that initiate and control the depolarisation of the heart muscle (ie rate and rhythm) between virus and vaccine. Was it done? Who knows but it would be negligent if it wasn’t.
    
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    April 3, 2024 12:13pm
  - wsk12345
    
    It wasn’t very subsequent. I knew when I chose not to get it that it didn’t stop transmission. The world knew. So no excuses for not “doing some of your own research” if you were uncertain.
    
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    April 3, 2024 12:41pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    There was coercion for many who would lose employment without it. But many (many here on KB also) took it to get papers to go out for coffee or the theatre or the swimming pool. That’s not coercion, that is supplication.
    
    Many took it because they felt it was the morally superior thing to do to protect the weak and the elderly. In their eyes anyone who wouldn’t take it was demonic or a tin foil hat wearer. I still remember seeing people wearing tin foil hats to mock the teachers protest on Dominion Rd.
    
    If we had stood strong on our bill of human rights we would have respected each others medical privacy, respected that taking a medical treatment particularly an experimental one should involve fully informed consent without coercion and stood up to the tyranny of sacking people for not taking it and absolutely refused to carry papers to show so called superior level of citizenship.
    
    My greatest disappointment from the Covid fiasco is not the betrayal of the media or politicians but the sheer number of people who didn’t stand up against the tyranny. I respect people who made the choice to take the vaccine to continue to put food on their family table. But I can’t respect those that happily carried the identity card and participated in the exclusion of the unwashed from society.
    
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    April 3, 2024 6:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You can not run a Country like a Company – says a Labour flunky who has never owned a business.
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April 3, 2024 8:16am
- Ipanema69
  
  Well I wouldnt want the country to be run like a certain company associated with a green mp.
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:30am
  - Grunter
    
    By the look of them, those Green MP’s can’t even run a bath!
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  SO, a country can be run like a business and Javier Milei shows how. Your first task is to sweep away useless government departments that greedily suck taxpayers’ money. MPs who hold ministerial positions for those departments won’t be happy and I suspect this is why Luxon is stalling taking tough action.
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ Public Sector is a dog. There is deadwood that has been there for decades. Nobody will miss them.
    Milei running a Country like a business? Yep and it works. I know of another President who is going to do it again.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I’m waiting for Luxon to start passing around the talking stick.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I don’t think he has much to say, but he wants to retain control of the stick. The grand Poobah.
        I have not heard of this term for many years.
        
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        April 3, 2024 2:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And Chloe goes further, “a country is not a business, and a PM is not a CEO”
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Fingers crossed, the next on the greens list is a parole officer.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Notice the Roman pleading not to cut it even though it’s never been mentioned till now was wearing a bloody ETU top provided I beat by that nasty little ass Wood, his face is popping up too often for my liking probably more chance it’s a parolee
      
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      April 3, 2024 11:46am
  - peterwn
    
    And that is why Jacinda failed – she was not prepared to or was unable to act as a CEO to keep her MP’s unified and going in the right direction. The likes of Chlöe would fall in the same trap. Chlöe is so out of touch with reality (her words!) that she will probably end up destroying the Green Party.
    
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    April 3, 2024 1:33pm
  - Keith White
    
    Nor is a country a cannabis-scented commune for lying layabout lackadaisical losers.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:02pm
- mandk
  
  Says someone who was a Minister in a government that was a complete shambles and was unable to deliver anything of lasting value.
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not sure she was a minister
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:31am
  - Swifty
    
    Precisely.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:36am
- graham
  
  … and whose party did a rubbish job of running the country when it was their turn.
  
  Labour didn’t ‘run’ the country – at best they ‘stumbled’ it through one disaster after another.
  
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  April 3, 2024 8:59am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    I disagree, they did run it, they ran it into the ground……
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Agreed
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:32am
- thirteenstars
  
  I’ve always believed a variation of that which is that anything a company can do the government should not.
  
  That is, any state-owned enterprise or similar should not be owned by the state. Sell it. Concentrate on non-business services.
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:08am
- bjools
  
  Would be better than running (as the past 6 years) like an episode of “would I lie to you” crossed with a university debate team piss up..
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:15am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Well you definitely can’t run it like a student union
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:18am
- CJames
  
  Well – Labour never ran a country like a country.
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:20am
- Ian Boag
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  never owned a business.
  
  And you have …. ?
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    While not being financially involved, I was at the top of decision making in the running of the Company with the two Directors.
    I did not need to ask permission to grab an asset deal. Hiring and firing also came into it. Actions were rarely questioned.
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:41am
  - bjools
    
    Yes…and do today.
    There are many things that are identical to running a business.
    Employees
    Customers (those that pay)
    Planning
    Forecasting
    Goal setting and achievement
    performance review
    Balanced budgets
    
    The one thing we cannot do is, unlimited borrowing and payment demands (Akin to tax), our income is at the whim and will of the client.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:22am
    - pdm
      
      When I was a young fellow growing up in the 50’s and 60’s and even during the almost 20 years I had in the BNZ there was a common saying that could be aptly applied to members of the governments from 2017 to 2023. It went like this:
      
      `He/She/They could not balance shit on a shovel.’
      
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      April 3, 2024 1:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We need some form of competence
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:36am
  - Keith White
    
    I have Ian, and still own it. And every year the company has had an income exceeding its expenses.
    
    (Not a flash income at all, mind you, but we were not / are not a drain on shareholders. Lucky I can have my overseas day job though).
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:04pm
  - Dodger
    
    What has that comment got to do with anything Ian?
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:04pm
- Akitio
  
  Labour certainly ran out country into the ground.
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well how did it work out when the Labour Government tried to run the country as some little child’s fantasy of Lala land.
  
  How’s everybody’s WELLBEING?
  https://2023.budget.govt.nz/budget/2023/wellbeing/approach/index.htm
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:41am
- alex Masterley
  
  Chloe’s record as a successful business owner is beyond reproach of course.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:09am
- emmess
  
  Labour, you cannot run a country, full stop.
  
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  April 3, 2024 1:15pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Over on Spinoff, (followed a click from another site) interesting to see the great unwashed lefties commenting on the article
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-04-2024/luxon-has-released-another-action-plan-heres-how-to-make-one-for-yourself
  
  Management is not leadership they bleat!!!
  Give me strength.
  
  I served in the military and managers were anointed(promoted) based on suckup ability. Yep I never got fast track promotion except when I applied to leave at the end of my 12 years. Suddenly they realized my worth? haha and offered me a 4 step jump.
  
  Then I got in to free enterprise business, where promotion was on merit(generally). The good managers were great leaders. Yep got lots of promotions. 🙂
  
  But still ended up running my own businesses.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:54pm
Inandout

What a waste of time Mitchell and Andersen are on Hosking. Every time Mark speaks Ginny waffles over him. Mark is a bad speaker at the best of times and so far a poor Minister of Police.
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April 3, 2024 8:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think you will find most people are seeing him as a good minister of police already, there is already a sharpness about police approach, they are seen more often, and when someone goes feral, they are right there sorting it.
  
  Not fear to be putting the boot into him after the last 6 years
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:38am
  - Inandout
    
    G, yes they displayed a sharpness when rainbow crossings were painted over, attending in such numbers that a victim of crime could only dream of. Coster hangs on like a bad odour, roughly akin to a Cpt Bligh of the Police service, minus the cruelty. I suspect nothing will change dramatically this year and crime will continue unabated.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Not what I was talking about, they have been in action at gang events and other serious offending, and they have a far quicker response, snd they do not stand around and watch an elderly women get beaten up any more, I couldn’t care a f….about the rainbow crossing, it’s illegal anyway
      
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      April 3, 2024 11:50am
      - pdm
        
        G – the activist whe desecrated the Treaty of Waitangi exhibit at The Museum Of New Zealand aka Te Papa still appears to walk free with no indication of any consequences.
        
        Why??????!!!!!!!!
        
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        April 3, 2024 1:36pm
      - rouppe
        
        pdm
        
        Four were charged, it’s now the length of time between being charged and being put in front of a court
        
        https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350129200/four-charged-after-treaty-waitangi-translation-vandalised-te-papa#:~:text=Of%20those%2C%20four%20faced%20charges,charged%20with%20breach%20of%20bail.
        
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        April 3, 2024 4:01pm
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      I’m not sure about that. Bligh was a terrible man manager but apparently an excellent seaman, otherwise he wouldn’t have survived being cast adrift.
      Coster is almost the anti-Bligh – you couldn’t rely on him to find his ar*e using both hands.
      
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      April 3, 2024 12:54pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Bligh was regarded as an exceptional navigator and sailor. Cook hand-picked him as the navigator in Cook’s last voyage, and Bligh was praised for leading the expedition back to the UK after Cook died in Hawaii.
        
        Must have been a prick of a person though. Not just the mutiny on the Bounty … his behaviour led to a rebellion when he was the Governor of NSW.
        
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        April 3, 2024 5:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      The comment I saw from Mitchell over that was he was frustrated with police time being wasted having to deal with that
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/512928/police-treat-painting-over-of-auckland-s-k-road-rainbow-crossing-as-hate-crime
      
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      April 3, 2024 4:11pm
    - leoj
      
      Mitchell displayed his real intent when he revealed that he and Coster exchanged Christmas cards.
      
      Instead, he should be asking for Coster’s resignation EVERY SINGLE DAY.
      
      Like Luxon, he has no cut and thrust. Too scared to break some eggs.
      
      Just another namby-pamby Nat.
      
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      April 3, 2024 4:52pm
- rouppe
  
  Yes Ginny is all “let me finish, let me finish”, and then proceeds to say the same thing 4 times to consume time. But when Mark speaks she’s talking all over him.
  
  Mark needs to grow a spine and demand she show the consideration she herself expects
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:59pm
imalwaysright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0dUuNQDPq4

Here we go.
Now we are paying people to wave at us as we drive past thousands of cones.
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April 3, 2024 8:28am
- RoboRob
  
  We are paying them, handsomely, to stand with the signs anyway so why not have a smile and a wave included in the deal 🙂
  
  It wont (shouldn’t) be long until they are all replaced by automated signs anyway.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:10am
Lenticular

I see Richard Dawkins has regrets.

He’s gone from “Mock them! Ridicule them” to “Christianity is a fundamentally decent religion”, although he’s still happy that there are less believing Christians.

It appears in his case that it’s mostly because he dislikes Islam and wokeness, which are filling the void there.

I wonder if he’ll ever get around to linking the abandonment of Christianity to the increasingly obvious civilisation-wide suicide of the West.

Unbelief took the helm of the ship and has crashed it within 50 years, after 1500 years of progress (and exactly as Christians would predict, and eerily similar to how Judges unfolded).
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April 3, 2024 8:31am
- bennerg
  
  IIRC Dawkins was referring to a “Christian Culture”.
  
  Wikipedia defines this as
  
  “all the cultural practices which have developed around the religion of Christianity”.
  
  Most would agree that the regular weekly churchgoing traditions are fading, as is the belief of a “man in the sky” who we have to pray to, to get any benefit in life.
  
  What has been retained of the Christian religion is the basis of our culture (I would like to think anyway) of intelligent thought, compassion, and real kindness – not the faux type exhibited by the previous PM who was an inveterate liar and deceitful – but the sort of genuine kiwi help for one’s neighbour, given without need for recognition. Like the philanthropists such as Wayne and the late Chloe Wright here in the BOP, using their resources to better our lives.
  
  When you look at our society we see so much good that has come from these Christian traditions. There is a genuine attempt to help those who break the rules to mend their ways, rather than simply “chopping their hands off”. Or throwing them off buildings, or locking them away for decades in remote, ice bounds gulags.
  
  So to deny our Christian heritage is to deny so many things that we take for granted. Even the typefaces I’m using here as I type can be traced back to the Gutenberg Bible.
  
  Over time the bad aspects decline, leaving the good. And it is important to respect our origins. Despite the decline of our weekly visits to church to pray for forgiveness, I find most people still believe in some form of higher power beyond our human ken. Even Einstein, who rejected the “man in the sky view” stated
  
  “the highest principles for our aspirations and judgments are given to us in the Jewish-Christian religious tradition”.
  
  I fear that in a rush for progressive change, we are being set up to change this for a Marxist, totalitarian regime, that the likes of Messers Schwab, Soros, Ardern would have us believe was the promised land.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:18am
  - kowtow
    
    Another reason to reject “multiculturalism” , that seeks to put all cultures on an equal or even higher footing than our culture ; that as you say has brought us so much .
    
    Including the crucial and central notion of the autonomy of the individual , made ( whether you believe the faith aspect or not) in the image of God , with free will and a conscience.
    
    From this tradition via various routes also came our democratic traditions and notions of freedom.
    
    Mess with that at our peril.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:59am
    - Ruawai
      
      Interesting observation in the new Takanini Countdown, almost all couples shopping are not in mixed race relationships, they are indian with to indian, islander with islander, white with white etc. In other words no matter how much diversity/multi culture is pushed onto us most people are still most comfortable with people of their own race. This doesn’t mean they are racist just that they are most comfortable with the culture, class and race they have grown up with.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:16pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Yes, I don’t like that our very own unique NZ culture is made subservient to others that have emigrated to here.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Bennerg “Wikipedia defines this as”
    
    You are aware Wikipedia is run by anonymous far left plankers and should therefore be avoided?
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:16pm
    - bennerg
      
      NZer in exile – I understand what you mean, but it did explain it in a way that was easy to understand.
      
      You could also try this from the Lutheran movement:
      
      https://cc.lutherclassical.org/winter-2022/what-is-christian-culture/
      
      My essential point is that our western society evolved out of a period of intense Christian Church influence, and while the “church” part has diminished, we have retained many of the good parts as regards how our society operates – and I appreciate there is still a way to go in some areas. But compared to some parts of the world we are really well off.
      
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      April 3, 2024 8:11pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Chestertons Fence… you would have thought Mr Dawkins would have known the concept…..
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:22am
- edhunter
  
  Speaking as an Atheist, I’ve always valued the Christian culture in which I was raised. The problem with Atheism as I see it is there is no belief system to unite us, no higher power to whom we must listen & whose principles we must adhere to, Dawkins is not the messiah.
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:18pm
  - PurplePen
    
    Ardern? .. higher power?
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:18pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Ed try this swap:
    
    The problem with those who don’t believe in the healing power of crystals as I see it is there is no belief system to unite us, no higher power to whom we must listen & whose principles we must adhere to. 😝
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:41pm
    - Lenticular
      
      A faith that has been the centre of civilisation for 1700 years and that teaches morality can’t be equated with e.g. crystal healing.
      The nihilism, loose morals, and love of socialism associated with unbelief os very real.
      
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      April 3, 2024 4:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Lenticles, I look at Japan and do not see the “glue” of Abrahamic religion being the cause of their general societal cohesion and lack of nihilism, loose morals, or love of socialism. No society is perfect (EG 1950s “Christian” West had a lot of dirt and ugliness going on under the hood too).
        
        Replace “Crystal Healing” with any supernatural belief for which there is no verifiable evidence (for the alleged supernatural stuff).
        
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        April 3, 2024 4:42pm
softail 1450

Has anyone ever heard the Chardonnay swilling conservative Mike Hoskings say anything critical of the way the Kiddie sniffer Joe Biden is running the USA or does the little guy just spend all his time ridiculing Donald Trump.
“ The adults are back in charge” is what Hoskings spewed for weeks after old Joe won in 2020,not so much now aye Mike?
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April 3, 2024 8:38am
- Inandout
  
  soft, Mike is obliged to toe the CNN line given NZME’s close alliance to that media outlet. I enjoy his chats with overseas correspondents from Oz and UK because they mostly tell it like it is.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:00am
- NZer In Exile
  
  It’s OK to be a conservative and to also swill Chardonnay.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:44pm
BeaB

So while our mediocre media angst over whether the country is being run by a CEO or a ‘leader’, we discover Hipkins wasted hundreds of millions of our dollars on an abject failure in centralising polytechnics and has admitted he knew Kiwibuild and light rail were impossible promises.
Give me the CEO every time if Hipkins is the alternative! That kind of leadership has left us in this appalling mess.
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April 3, 2024 8:55am
- Swifty
  
  Quite right.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As I said at the election, there is two choices Luxon of Hipkins, why I got so much shit for that god knows. Luxon is setting about doing what was promised, sure roads are being built yet, but they will follow, he has too change the agenda before setting about rebuilding the mess
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:48am
Simon

A healthy 13-year-old who unexpectedly died 10 days after receiving a vaccination against Covid-19 had a “microscopic” amount of myocarditis in a crucial part of his heart.

A coroner said the myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – could have been caused by viruses found in the Wellington boy’s heart tissue, but due to the short period of time since his immunisation, the vaccine could not be ruled out as a possible cause.

From the Daily Marxist.

Jaxx cant be ruled out means the jaxx killed him.

I have stopped making fun of the boosted as so many are falling sick or have had family get sick or die.
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April 3, 2024 8:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “I have stopped making fun of the boosted as so many are falling sick or have had family get sick or die.”
  
  So why have monthly all cause mortality rates in the UK been higher every month for the unvaccinated compared to the vaccinated?
  
  https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1april2021and31may2023
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:41am
  - mawm
    
    Bene – did you read about the way the ONS has suddenly altered the way they determine excess mortality? Many statisticians a bewildered by it and others just plain critical.
    
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    April 3, 2024 12:21pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes.
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:23pm
  - Keith White
    
    BY – the Govt did not like the figures they collected, so they changed them.
    
    By their own admission:
    
    “This analysis is no longer being updated. ***This is because the methodology and data for baseline measurements is no longer applicable.***
    
    “From February 2024, excess mortality reporting is available at: Excess mortality within England: post-pandemic method.
    
    “Measuring excess mortality: a guide to the main reports details the different analysis available and how and when they should be used for the UK and England.
    
    *** emphasis mine.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:08pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      crap
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:24pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  My healthy mate got myocarditis years back, snd too this day they do not know why, he almost died, it does happen
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:49am
  - mawm
    
    Yes it does but what is needed are the numbers/year and a statistical analysis by age group to determine if there is a statistically significant increase. This is not forthcoming from all our Western health agencies.
    
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    April 3, 2024 12:24pm
  - Keith White
    
    I have spent over a half century in frontline medicine – (Casualty, then A&E, then ER, then ED – depending on the nomenclature in current fashion) and I have never seen the current rate/incidence of Sudden Adult Death as in the last 2+ years. Ask any other emergency doc of decades’ standing…
    
    We never even had a S.A.D diagnostic category FFS! We tragically had S.I.D.S. (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) but we never needed one for adults!!! Until now.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:11pm
    - wsk12345
      
      And are the clients vaccinated with mRNA shots…?
      
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      April 3, 2024 4:45pm
Gravelroad

Ms Sepuloni and Ms Swarbrick came across as total lightweights with their feeble responses to the government’s plan on the 6pm Te News last evening.
I almost felt sorry for them.
No substance, just “Whaaaaaa, I don’t like it.”
Embarrassing.
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April 3, 2024 9:02am
- bjools
  
  Perhaps they should concentrate their attentions to:
  NOT HAVING CRIMINAL ASSOCIATIONS IN THEIR FAMILIES AND PARTIES?
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:12am
  - RoboRob
    
    ECON 101 and some history papers would also be a MAJOR help for them.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The funny thing is they will think they were strong well aimed level headed responses, they are utterly pathetic, notice no sign of Hipkins
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:50am
cmm

There seems to be a bit pf a commotion in AUckland today with cops after alleged armed kidnappers.

Sparse details, but there are guns involved and it is just before duck season, so its probably just an argument over a maimai that got out of hand.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350232870/three-people-allegedly-kidnap-woman-beach-haven-shoot-gun-altercation
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April 3, 2024 9:05am
Maggie Pie

“I think politics is fucked”

– Chloe Swarbrick (Newsroom. 2 April 2024)
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We’ve always admired Ian Wishart’s investigative skills.
When it comes to getting answers, he’s like the proverbial dog with a boner. Fairly sure it was Ian who coined…”Never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”

https://twitter.com/investigatemag/status/1774862433586438586
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April 3, 2024 9:09am
- Ian Boag
  
  dog with a what?
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ”Never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:10am
  - Jethrod
    
    See Maggie’s post, she knows about all it.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:12am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I thought Boner was that warmongering, wannabe oracle, who sometimes sings on U2 records.
    
    In one concert Boners latest cause was black children starving in Africa.
    
    Boner, clicking his fingers,: “Every time I click my fingers an African child dies…. click….click….click….”
    
    Audience member calls out : ” Then why don’t you stop clicking your fingers!”
    
    Inclusive, humanist, warmongering, wannabe oracle, Boner, had the audience member thrown out.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:16am
- Nobby2
  
  The sooner she sacrifices her political career the better.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But it is the best job she has ever had, money wise – so keep on with the ‘green new deal’ lies.
    The NZ version of America’s AOC!!
    
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    April 3, 2024 6:19pm
Tomtoddy

Did a few miles on North Island roads before and over Easter. A couple of observations……
1. Some roadworks/upgrades are taking far too long. Work at Atiamuri dam and Taupiri on Hamilton bypass SH1, for example.
2. Often a long section is under reconstruction but few machines and few workers are present. Is this firms holding down too much work?
3. Where work was underway there were trucks with staff sitting inside apparently doing nothing.
4. When there are temporary lights controlling traffic why is it necessary to have a staff person present as well?
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April 3, 2024 9:11am
- cas
  
  Answer to No 4 is so they can wave.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:02am
- Jethrod
  
  I drove the Waikato Expressway the Sunday before Easter. I think it is the best bit of infrastructure I have been on inthe last 30 years. OK, there was a bit on a holdup In a couple of places, but to drive from Newmarket to the other side of Cambridge, in an hour and 25 mins is just brilliant.
  Probably most of the incentive came from the National government 2oo8 to 2017.
  Just another thing….. schools don’t only have the problem of mobile phones, road and building works have the same problem.
  Also the infernal “Health and Safety” procedures have got out of hand too.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:10am
- RoboRob
  
  All out construction work is far to slow. We all pay the price in terms of delay and dollar cost.
  
  The bridge in the US that was recently destroyed is expected to cost around $400m USD ($670m NZD) to repair. FFS the US is regarded as expensive and slow but we would struggle to build a few kms of motorway on ground for that.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:17am
  - MCōs
    
    There’s a big difference between replacing an absolutely vital piece of wrecked infrastructure and constructing an upgrade to a functional road/bridge
    
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    April 3, 2024 11:46am
    - wsk12345
      
      Which makes it even worse how useless we are in NZ
      
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      April 3, 2024 12:56pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Im confused. The bridge is vital and the replacement cost is estimated at ONLY $400m. Seems crazy cheap compared to what we would bpay here. Why would upgrading a road cost more?
      
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      April 3, 2024 1:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Europe is preparing for a possible return of Donald Trump to the Whitehouse.

They don’t seem to be happy. Trump may put a 10% Tax on imports.
One thing not mentioned is NATO. AFAIK the US can not leave NATO, but they can bring down their contribution. Freeloading Europe does not want to pay their way.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/europe-is-preparing-for-the-possible-return-of-donald-trump-to-the-white-house/ss-BB1kWiey?
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April 3, 2024 9:19am
- MCōs
  
  A tax on imports is called a duty and is paid by the consumer
  It’s used to protect inefficient domestic producers
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:29am
  - cmm
    
    That is partially true, but not 100% true when there are subsidies etc to tilt the playing field.
    
    Why do we eat so much Canadian pork in NZ? Is it because NZ port producers are inefficient? Nope, it is because there is an oversupply of Canadian pork due to massive subsidies in Canada creating product cheaper than they could on a level playing field.
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Think Indonesian coal.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:15am
    - MCōs
      
      For decades NZ had some sort of tax on all sorts of items to protect the home market effectively banning the import of electronic items, white ware, anything that was manufactured or assembled here
      Consequently we paid outrageous prices for TVs, stereos and the like
      I heard a guy on the radio who made a fortune from assembling TVs. He said it cost him more to import the bits for his factory than it would have cost to import whole sets.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:28am
      - Inandout
        
        MC, then we flooded the market with cheap MiC articles, buy now, dispose of later.
        
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        April 3, 2024 11:06am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So what? I don’t buy Canadian pork, but who am I to deny lower income New Zealanders cheap pork?
      
      Same with the giant tins of subsidised Italian tomatoes.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:44am
      - cmm
        
        Sure, we can look at it that way – it is just Canadian taxpayers subsidising Canadian pork for NZ consumers.
        
        But the issue here is:
        * What is the damage to the local pork industry from letting it be undercut?
        * Do we care as an country?
        
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        April 3, 2024 1:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is used to keep domestic producers producing and therefore providing employment.
    That means the Govt has less unemployed and on the dole.
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:54am
    - MCōs
      
      The Muldoon administration maintained a massive public service in part to soak up numerous people who might otherwise have been unemployed
      Around that time a third of the workforce worked for the government; about double what it is now
      The problem is the remaining workers pay for them and they paid exorbitant prices for TVs, for example, to keep some people in a job
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:37am
      - cmm
        
        We don’t have to go back to Muldoon. Cindy did that too.
        
        There is a delicate balance between trying to compensate for subsidies and true protectionism.
        
        I would argue that protecting local industry (eg. old TV sets) is problematic, but putting up tarrifs against subsidised production (like Canadian pork) is less of a problem.
        
        Just keeping people in jobs should never be the goal because it ends up subsidising the non-productive at the expense of the productive.
        
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        April 3, 2024 10:58am
      - wsk12345
        
        Can I think we should also be thinking about what industries we would like to keep local, such as for when the next world shutdown occurs. Oil refinery perhaps, our own food production (not saying we can’t import but closing ours down due to methane is insane), some construction and roading materials perhaps.
        
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        April 3, 2024 12:59pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        MCōs: “The Muldoon administration maintained a massive public service ….Around that time a third of the workforce worked for the government; about double what it is now.”
        
        What’s omitted (as the left do) is that Muldoon ruled in the age which was mostly before the mass deployment of computers. Post WW2 up to the 80s nearly everything was very labour intensive (compared to now). Systems were generally paper based except for the very core of large entities (they had mainframe computers which were very expensive and also relatively weak compared to todays’ computers). That situation required a lot of people in the workforce.
        The mass redundancies I saw in the 80s were largely effected through the use of replacing people with technology. I also initially worked in an area of “the public service”. There were the “gliding on” type slackers but they were a minority. The jobs that were there weren’t just made up “digging holes and filling them in” type roles. Massive technology shifts though allowed the entity to cull about a third of the workforce in the 80s. More big cuts followed over the years.
        
        I would guess that you would see the same cataclysmic shifts in public service numbers post Muldoon era in other similar countries (EG Australia).
        
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        April 3, 2024 2:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        cmm, Ardern did it with a smarmy smile on her clock.
        
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        April 3, 2024 2:26pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sorry that conclusion was debunked when I did first year economics 40 years ago.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:46am
    - virtualmark
      
      The US unemployment rate is about 3.7% – the lowest it’s been in about 50 years. So there seems little need to use tariffs to create jobs.
      
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      April 3, 2024 5:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It was 3.5 (09/2019) at the end of Trumps Presidency
        https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
        yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
        You want 10 A4 pages?
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:23pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        @All on Red at 6.21pm
        Didn’t you ever notice that Trump’s term finished in January 2021 and not in 2019?
        At the time his term was up the rate was 6.4% according to the graph you provided.
        
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        April 3, 2024 9:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ahem, yes, Covid happened during Trumps time…
        Remember Covid?
        It doesnt change the fact that during his Presidency unemployment was 3.5
        Nice try though
        Lol
        
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        April 3, 2024 10:22pm
cmm

Why did Luxon feel the need to hang what look like fish gill rakers around his neck during a visit to talk to medical staff?

Bullshit. Stamp this out. Our hospitals are not Polynesian cultural establishments.

Nobody aspires for that. We want the cool stuff the white man brought.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-answers-questions-following-release-of-new-government-action-plan/UPDRZGG7OJAZFDCQUZ3K7ORWIQ/
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April 3, 2024 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Copy cat of wearing a scarf on the head.
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:56am
- imalwaysright
  
  He always looks scared.
  He doesn’t seem to realise that he is prime minister.
  Time to grab some scruffs and kick some balls.
  We can’t afford “nice”.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Has to be nice otherwise he’ll scare the ninnies.
    
    NATNZFACT need to get on the front foot with propaganda nicely explaining everything. Always. It appears at least half the population are morons (or politically asleep) and can easily be led.
    
    I believe the reason why The Nats & Co get booted is because they get arrogant. They fail to take the people with them and just run roughshod over the top of them without explanation or buy-in.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:54pm
- Ghost
  
  Because he was at a pacific island health clinic having a flu vaccine and they gave it to him
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:08am
  - cmm
    
    There mere fact we have pacific island health clinics is a problem.
    
    “they gave it to him”. No. We gave it to him. That, and all the other “pacific” virtue signalling, comes out of our pockets.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:25am
    - Ghost
      
      No it’s not a problem. Anyone can go to them.
      
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      April 3, 2024 10:34am
      - cmm
        
        Why does anyone believe there is benefit in a “Pacific” health centre? What’s wrong with everyone else’s centre?
        
        I think I could make a far more valid case for having hospitals specially built for tall people than for Pacific people.
        
        Us tall people don’t fit into hospital beds properly therefore we really need longer beds, longer operating tables, etc etc. We really need a medical department for tall people. Sure, the hospital will also cater for short people, but it will be designed for tall people.
        
        That makes far more sense than having pacific health centres.
        
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        April 3, 2024 10:52am
      - Taieri
        
        We really need a medical department for tall people.
        ———
        
        We do.
        We could also use it for the short people; two short persons to a bed. Very versatile.
        
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        April 3, 2024 11:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Missed that Ghost. Cmm is merely asking why we have Pacific Island Health Clinics instead of a Health Clinic.
        Same as Maori Health. I fail to see the difference between Health and Special Health.
        
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        April 3, 2024 2:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        What exactly is wrong with a pacific run clinic? Anyone can go there. It’s not limited to pacific people. Good on them for having clinics up and running.
        
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        April 3, 2024 4:28pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “What exactly is wrong with a pacific run clinic?”
        
        It’s not that it happens to be run by Pacific people (whatever that means). It’s that it’s advertised as being FOR Pacific People.
        
        Drilling down further this is all about a far left belief system. A belief about “institutionalised racism” and “the multi generational effects of colonialism”. A belief that identity quotas and the marxist concepts of “equity” are good for a society. The list of their beliefs goes on.
        
        Well, NZ just voted the far left out!
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        Here is their website, as it says on it. Anyone can go there,
        
        https://thefono.org/
        
        Even if they did advertise for pacific people, who gives a fuck. We know pacific and Māori people are worse off health wise. If there is a chance to change that with clinics run by Māori or Pacific Islanders that are open to anyone to visit as they are, then good. I hope they can make a difference.
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:39pm
    - PurplePen
      
      I’m surprised that along with the Ministry for Ethnicities we don’t have Ethnic Medical Centres.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:25pm
- BeaB
  
  Come on. You know this is the burden MPs have to bear – silly hats, hi-vis vests, ceremonial shirts etc. It all adds colour and a touch of hilarity.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Were they not at an Islanders day or something, They got their flu jab at the gathering I thought, nothing wrong with wearing regalia as lone as they don’t do Labour and wear it in the house
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:19am
Maggie Pie

Finally, someone sent me the Green Party members ‘Expense Disclosures’ for Oct – Dec 2023.

Can you believe that the hopeless ‘Member-for-Tijuana’ blew nearly $16k of taxpayer money on travel & accomodation in that 3 months!

And just as disturbing….. the ‘Rag & Bone’ Man, Steve unAble, wasted over $17k for the same period!

Between the two of them alone, they’re bleeding us for about an additional $130,000
a year. For what??

No wonder the countrys broke 🙁
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- RoboRob
  
  Wasn’t parliament closed for most of that time as the election and new government was finalised. Labour, Greens and TPM were essentially on holidya while a small caretaker govt was in place. What exactly were these arse-clowns doing for $16k + ?
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And some for Christmas, they probably used money to fly to election gatherings and simply charged it up
    
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    April 3, 2024 11:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did you check out how much Rawiri Waititi cost us in Air Travel in those 3 months?
  – $15,061
  
  Add on his Wgtn accommodation and land transport…and he’s one expensive MP.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/mps-expenses/members-expense-disclosure-from-1-october-to-31-december-2023/
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder if that covered his trip to Paris
    ….. and all those Petit-Fours he videoed himself devouring?
    
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    April 3, 2024 11:01am
    - wsk12345
      
      Why would he eat petit fours?
      
      Well I suppose once you finish all the native birds you’re allowed you have to suffer white man food.
      
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      April 3, 2024 1:01pm
  - Keith White
    
    On my last flight home I had the misfortune of sitting next to him and his entourage 2 rows ahead.
    
    I put on the headphones and played Deep Purple and Dire Straits and Suzie Quatro and managed to drown his cretinous and loud stream-of-misconsciousness until the trolley dolly made me take them off for the safety briefing and then the landing.
    
    That was cruel and unusual punishment.
    
    No matter how stupid he sounds and looks on Teh Mediah, he’s an order of magnitude worse 4 feet away…
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good thing DG missed your last sentence Maggie!
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you mean my final sentence?
    
    ??? he’s?????
    
    That’s a perfectly good contracted verb phrase.
    
    = he is
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      M pie’s last
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        whew…
        
        I missed it at first reading…. le français était ma bête noire.
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:46pm
Tauhei Notts

Those government levies!!!
I note that the Fire and Emergency Services Levy will rise by 12.8% from 1st July.
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April 3, 2024 10:11am
- Jethrod
  
  Realistically how much does it add to an insurance bill…. 79c or there about?
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:15am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Last year my Fire Emergency Levy was $106.
    Seventy nine cents?
    Are you a graduate of the Golhris Gharaman school of mathematics?
    
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    April 3, 2024 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Life is tough. It is even tougher when you can’t keep track of that roving decimal point.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:35pm
Prince

TVNZ last night pushing for a substantial increase in the ‘Living Wage’.
The Living Wage is calculated and published by an outfit called the New Zealand Family Centre Social Policy Unit (a fancy title for Charles Waldergrave’s buddies, operating out of Lower Hutt).
The Labour Govt committed many Govt departments to pay this ‘living wage’ to cleaners etc.
You have to admire this Policy Unit for their influence. I’d be interested in how much the ‘Living Wage Executive Director’, interviewed last night, is paid, and by whom. Where is their funding from ?
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April 3, 2024 10:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Notice the woman pleading not to cut it even though it’s never been mentioned till now was wearing a bloody ETU top provided I bet by that nasty little ass Wood, his face is popping up too often for my liking
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

At the upcoming Presidential Debates Joe Biden’s interpreter will be Ozzy Osbourne.
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April 3, 2024 10:29am
- Jethrod
  
  …… and Michael J Fox will be his guide person along with Stevie Wonder.
  Also reliably informed Arnold Schwarzenegger will be his voice coach.
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:36am
- Geri Sjovik
  
  What we really want to know is what concoction of drugs his doctor is going to juice him up on.
  
  That shit could reanimate the dead.
  
  Obviously.
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reanimate the dead? Isn’t that standard Democrat Policy?
    Some States get more votes than registered voters ffs!
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:38pm
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, I’ll wager there’ll be no Presidential debates.
  
  Biden will want to debate. Trump will find reasons not to.
  
  Same as how he ducked the GOP Presidential primary debates.
  
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  April 3, 2024 5:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Biden will want to debate’
    
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    
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    April 3, 2024 6:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Biden’s keepers will say that, but never come to the party.
    Virtual servo pie and coke – Joe Biden will not debate – but Trump will be hinting Biden to do so.
    Maybe the puppeteer will take Biden’s place????
    
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    April 3, 2024 6:33pm
mawm

Is it time to claim for reparations from the US Government for the damage done to our economy, our society and individual harms from the Covid virus? Prof Jeffry Sachs outlines his reasoning as to their involvement in the gain-of-function of the Covid 19 virus and their gross negligence in the handling of what was essentially a bio-weapon.

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/covid-19-gain-of-function-us-research
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April 3, 2024 10:31am
- cmm
  
  The virus did not cause the damage.
  
  The damage was caused by government overreaction to the virus.
  
  Blame Cindy et al and all the Covid fan boys of all stripes (Get Boosted Bishop for example).
  
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  April 3, 2024 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One posidive case and Auckland was slammed shut.
    
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    April 3, 2024 10:59am
    - cmm
      
      “One positive case” was only achieved by redefining what counts as a “case”.
      
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      April 3, 2024 11:44am
  - mawm
    
    cmm – that is true but it was the US Military/CIA, and Fauci’s, led response that dictated what we did.
    
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    April 3, 2024 12:32pm
    - cmm
      
      The USA didn’t dictate anything. It is what we chose to do. We could have done what Sweden did, or go our own route.
      
      There were no US warships in Wellington harbour threatening to shell the Beehive if Cindy didn’t implement their plans.
      
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      April 3, 2024 2:50pm
      - mawm
        
        cmm – I don’t believe so. Why did the 5 Eyes countries respond in such a dramatic and similar way? Add to that – why are Seymour and Luxon so stumm about it?
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:20pm
imalwaysright

All quiet on the eastern front?
The pro Israeli government kb posters are unusually quiet.
You are about all Benji has left, come on, back him up!
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April 3, 2024 10:40am
- imalwaysright
  
  Just anonymous downticks?
  Good on ya!
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:03pm
BeaB

I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking it’s Chloe Swarbrick who is ‘untethered from reality’.
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April 3, 2024 10:46am
- Taieri
  
  To become untethered one needs to be tethered first.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:20am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wouldn’t that be de-tethered?😛
    
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    April 3, 2024 3:01pm
- Notsofast
  
  Chloe is 29 years old.
  The average age of an American senator is 65, and the average age of presidential contenders is 80.
  This deification of youth, see Shaneel Lal and Maipi Clarke also, shows what an infantile public discourse we have.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:42am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  She’s admitted having dyscalculia. Please be kind.
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I will go with that.
    My partner has a mild form, and gets angry with me.
    After nearly 40 years we are doing OK.
    
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    April 3, 2024 6:36pm
- mogg
  
  Thanks to MMP, what used to be the ‘lunatic fringe’
  is now in Parliament
  
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  April 3, 2024 1:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

TOW propaganda Comic Part 35.
“It’s obvious. The authors of this comic are radicalising our young people, sowing in them the seeds of rebellion too.”

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/analysis-treaty-of-waitangi-comic-for-high-school-students-has-been-quietly-brainwashing-away-since-2018-part-35/
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April 3, 2024 10:48am
Surely Knott

2021, A healthy 13 year old boy dies of myocarditis 10 days after taking the vaccine a known symptom of the vaccine.. He also had some other unnamed viruses that also cause myocarditis. The article doesn’t name the viruses but says that Myocarditis is a side effect of covid. So lets assume he had covid. Coroner says cause is uncertain

13 years old. My heart breaks.

Thoughts:

* We are only being told he died in 2024. years after they forced the vaccination and boosters on all the other young men. The media should have told us he died, promptly after his death. And we should have known he had taken the vaccine and his covid status. The public had a right to know and to be informed. Is withholding the death of a fellow participant in a medical experiment, illegal, unethical?

* Cramner showed the science advice to Cabinet was not to double vaccinated young people due to myocarditis. And not to mandate them.

* Why don’t they name the virus that they think is responsible. Did he have covid after being vaccinated for covid?

* The public were barred from private RAT tests. How many people already had covid when we were vaccinated.

RIP little man. This should never have happened.
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April 3, 2024 11:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is tragic this kid died. He may have had myocarditis as a result of the vaccine, a very rare side effect.
  
  However, the risk of contracting myocarditis from COVID itself is orders of magnitude greater than the risk of contracting myocarditis as a vaccine side effect.
  
  https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.123.321878
  
  Unfortunately the conspiracy theories about the COVID vaccines killing people show no sign of receding.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:24am
  - Keith White
    
    No, BY, the risk of contracting myocarditis from Covid is not greater than the risk of myocarditis from the Covid vaccine. Citations readily found. And not studies published by bought-and-paid-for mouthpieces.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:39pm
    - mawm
      
      If one goes searching for it there is a surprisingly high risk from the vaccine. Further to the myocarditis is that the incidence of cardiac failure (as noted in the UK) has risen dramatically.
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:23pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are utterly mistaken. I just cannot believe the bullshit that continues on this subject.
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:25pm
  - cmm
    
    All the risks were very low and it was ridiculous using fear and force to get healthy people to take an experimental vaccine.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:52pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No the risks were material. I have devoted the last 3 years trawling the data. I am good for any old scandal. It does not exist. The mortality rates for the vaccinated are consistently lower than for the unvaccinated. End of story. It is insane that I need to deal with this debate 3 years on. I have had 6 x covid vaccine jabs. For which I am grateful.
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:28pm
imalwaysright

Hear that masterton hospital wants permanent security guards .
What about a booth in the foyer with a couple of heavily armed big bad bastard police officers?
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April 3, 2024 11:08am
- Paulus
  
  Did I not understand that Masterton Hospital had a Security Guard but he was not around at the time (smoko?) of the altercation – and if he was what is he allowed to do sweet – f.a.
  
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  April 3, 2024 1:53pm
  - greybeard
    
    According to someone talking to Mike Hosking this morning the so-called “Security Guard” is actually a single hospital orderly whose job description includes some degree of “security” around the place and at the time of the attack he was somewhere else in the hospital pushing a patient bed around.
    Subsequent MSM news items have carefully avoided this fact.
    
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    April 3, 2024 4:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Key word: “armed.”
  NZ atm is a gun free zone – which is where the crims go so they don’t get shot back at.
  “armed.”
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:46pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Indeed. Crims use illegal concealed carry of illegal guns.
    
    Cops face them unarmed and have to run to the car and unlock theirs while under fire (potentially being injured or dying in the process). It appears our leaders are more concerned about holding onto the fantasy of “peaceful old NZ” than effectively dealing with the clear and present reality of dangerous armed crims.
    
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    April 3, 2024 3:08pm
    - Keith White
      
      But… doesn’t the Princess of the Pestilence have armed guards wherever she goes? Shirley you’re not saying she believes in two classes of people – the elites that are protected by guns and the serfs that must not have guns…?
      
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      April 3, 2024 5:00pm
- Handyman
  
  I have spent hours in the Masterton hospital ED waiting room.
  It is about the same size as any medium medical centre in Auckland. It might be better to make some entry barrier changes (ala banks) and spend the money on doctor/nurse so people don’t linger long in reception.
  
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  April 3, 2024 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

I thort a bestie from tennis raised an interesting question earlier.

Prue was wondering how thay can call McNuggets ‘chicken’, when they’re 56% corn and have over 35 other ingredients beside chicken?
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April 3, 2024 11:24am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  They identify as chicken, therefore they are chicken.
  
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  April 3, 2024 11:36am
- sirknz
  
  They do contain 100% of the chicken though. Meat, bones, feathers, beaks…
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, if my esteemed wife were to add 35 ingredients to her potatoe bake I would need to know why. I recall that UK chef Jamie Oliver attemting to make school meals more healthy and the chicken nuggets were the top of his bad list. Some overweight students actually brought up near shit from their stomachs as the intestines had given up trying to properly digest the muck.
  
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  April 3, 2024 12:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    And if I remember the School Board cancelled Jamie’s Chicken lunch. and went back to the previous so called chicken scum.
    
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    April 3, 2024 1:55pm
- mogg
  
  They do have an excellent garlic dipping sauce.
  For lunch we just had Kawhai Sashimi, very fresh thin slices into the Soy sauce and eat, it’s a real delicacy.
  
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  April 3, 2024 1:19pm
  - Swifty
    
    Fresh kahawai sashimi is excellent.
    
    Those who know, know.
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:26pm
  - greybeard
    
    Kahawai is/are bait.
    
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    April 3, 2024 4:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      They are Ocean Salmon outside Aoteawhatever?
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, Krikey… no wonder I think Oz fish are SHIT!!
        
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        April 3, 2024 6:55pm
- MCōs
  
  The life expectancy in NZ has increased by ten years or more since all that American junk food arrived on our shores
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:59pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    That crap hit the boomers in their teens and 20s. But they were used to being fed properly at home. It was generally an occasional treat at that time. Plus they were not the couch potato computer/smartphone generation. They were out and about doing physical stuff a lot of the time.
    
    It’s quite possible that rising obesity/diabetes (due to shit convenience-eating) and lack of exercise could see the longevity trend reversing with subsequent generations. If not that, perhaps greater levels of chronic disease starting at earlier ages.
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  A good example of why one should avoid eating processed industrial shizzle.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:09pm
sungsamning

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/awesome-texas-national-guard-retakes-control-el-paso/
National Guard Retakes Control of El Paso Border.
On Tuesday morning, the Texas National Guard defied the Biden regime and again took control of the El Paso border, installing concertina wire (razor wire) and a new anti-climb fence.
The new security measures are in place to prevent illegals from rioting and tearing apart the previous razor wire barrier as they did on March 21st.
Fox News Channel’s Matt Finn obtained exclusive access to the new barrier, which can be viewed below. Finn notes it bears similarities to another wall in Eagle Pass.
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April 3, 2024 12:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  FJB
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:52pm
sungsamning

https://www.breitbart.com/news/judge-sides-with-conservative-group-in-its-push-to-access-publish-voter-rolls-online/
Voter Rolls ToBe Published Online.
New Mexico election officials violated public disclosure provisions of the National Voter Registration Act by refusing to provide voter rolls to a conservative group and its public online database, a federal judge has ruled.

The opinion and order Friday from Albuquerque-based U.S. District Court Judge James Browning mostly sided with the Voter Reference Foundation and its efforts to expand a free database of registered voters so that groups and individuals can take it upon themselves to try to find potential irregularities or fraud.
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April 3, 2024 12:27pm
- Paulus
  
  Democrats will override the judgement, and Biden will agree.
  
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  April 3, 2024 1:56pm
  - sungsamning
    
    That wouldn’t surprise me.
    
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    April 3, 2024 9:46pm
Swifty

Utterly pathetic. Emotional and pathetic.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/a-country-is-not-a-company-and-a-prime-minister-is-not-a-ceo-chloe-swarbrick/3USXRUBPIZERJDH2EJ73RIFUKY/

Honestly, I haven’t for the time nor the inclination this morning, but her speel has holes in it big enough to drive a truck through.

But just one small point, with regards to her ‘country not company and PM not CEO’ lefty slogan du jour – again she hasn’t bothered to explain exactly why.

Honestly, it really is just pathetic.

Vacuous, emotive sloganeering. That’s all.
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April 3, 2024 12:42pm
- PurplePen
  
  Small point. I noticed in her piece she referred to the Climate Change Commission as the “Independent Climate Change Commission”.
  
  You’d think if climate change was front and centre as its purportedly is for them that their co-leader would get said commission’s name right.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is not the smartest brick in the wall.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Unfortunately that kind of low resolution thinking/emoting/hyperbole very much appeals to the young.
  
  I remember eagerly having a conversation about National supposedly “running the country like a company” with my flatmates in my early twenties ( I was semi leftoid back then). Life was really just partying and mucking around and I honestly had no clue of what I was talking about and neither did my flatmates.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:12pm
  - Swifty
    
    I was the same. It wasn’t until my 30s that I really started to twig to a few things.
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:24pm
Fisiani2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM1c1KGpw-0&t=58s

Scottish football is rigged to support Rangers. The most biased referee of all, Cheeting Beaton has been given the Rangers v Celtic match next weekend , ie 12 V 11 . It’s a disgrace.
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April 3, 2024 12:50pm
- Jinky
  
  Masons in Black strike again
  
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  April 3, 2024 7:51pm
- Fisiani2
  
  2 downtickers who never even saw the video clip. Beaton drinks in Rangers bars and is a Rangers supporter. He will cheat.
  
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  April 3, 2024 9:38pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME
 WHY
Are we living in a time where intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won’t be offended?  
Why is it that when archaeologists find human remains, they can determine whether they’re male or female but none of the other dozen genders?
  How is it that the government can’t control petrol prices…but the weather is something they can fix?  
We’re churning out a generation of poorly educated people with no skills, no ambition, no guidance, and no realistic expectations of what it means to go to work.  
Why are we told to lower Air Conditioner usage on hot days to prevent overwhelming the electric grid while simultaneously being told to trade in petrol cars for electric vehicles?
  Why is cancelling student debt a good idea? Does it make sense to reward people who do not honour their financial commitment by taxing people who do?
  Why is talking sexually in the workplace considered sexual harassment to adults…but talking about sexuality to children Grade 3 at school considered education?  
If your electric car runs out of power on the motorway, do you walk to a charging station to get a bucket of electricity?
  Why are we running out of money for Medicare and not for welfare?
  Mice die in mouse traps because they do not understand why the cheese is free. Just like socialism.  
The most powerful governments on earth can’t stop a virus from spreading…but say they can change the earth’s temperature if you pay more tax.
  If you don’t want to stand for the National Anthem, perhaps you should give your legs to a veteran who lost his. That way a real man can stand in your place
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April 3, 2024 1:02pm
- PurplePen
  
  Not really into requiring anyone to stand for their national anthem. Up to the individual really. I’m assuming the above is from the USA where they’re right into their flag waving and patriotism. Taken way too seriously if you ask me, such they they actually don’t have a choice in a way.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is a bloody good rant.
  Sorry, I am stealing it for Facebook.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:01pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Does anyone know what the Greens ‘rag ‘N’ bone man’ Steve unAbel actually DID
prior to becoming an MP?
And wonder what sort of salary he would have been on beforehand.

Or, did he just come to on the Sunday morning after the last election, hear Chloe had won Auckland Central, and suddenly realise he’d shared Lotto Powerball with a few others?
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April 3, 2024 1:38pm
- Ghost
  
  Pool boy in Remuera?
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:50pm
- greybeard
  
  I would say, judging from the photos recently published, that he was either (a) a male model for some clothing retailer or (b) a male model for personal haircare and grooming.
  
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  April 3, 2024 4:14pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Sems to have spent his adult life protesting.
  
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  April 3, 2024 4:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder if he was just on the bene?
    
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    April 3, 2024 4:33pm
- Albie
  
  I’ll have a guess Maggie. I reckon he worked part time in a little second hand book shop tucked away in a back street in Wellington that specialised in the teachings of Marx and Lenin.
  
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  April 3, 2024 5:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you notice the resemblance Albie?
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:55pm
    - Albie
      
      Now you mention it….,
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He worked for Greenpeace
  https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/author/sabel/
  and makes music
  https://flyingout.co.nz/products/steve-abel-luck-hope
  
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  April 3, 2024 7:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Must have taken a massive cut in salary to enter parliament….. LOL!
    
    And appears well qualified for all the ‘shadow portfolios’ he holds 😀 😀 😀
    
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    April 3, 2024 8:08pm
softail 1450

CDC announces “a Texas dairy farming family have been infected with bird flu that they caught from their cows” wow ,write a memorandum to myself ,no more sitting under a tree with a beer on a hot summers day unless it’s close to a river..
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April 3, 2024 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Huge earthquake hits Taiwan!

Lots of people blaming the CCP.

https://twitter.com/HarshMaurya88727/status/1775325653971468364
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April 3, 2024 2:06pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  CCP? Nah, “Climate Change!” dunnit.
  
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  April 3, 2024 2:14pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    CCP? Climate Change Politics……
    
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    April 3, 2024 2:15pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Don’t know of anyone blaming the CCP.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you know we had a change of government last year Sir Henry?
    
    https://twitter.com/MattWallace888/status/1775331652324958676
    
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    April 3, 2024 3:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That building is on the piss.
  
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  April 3, 2024 3:09pm
Sir Henry Morgan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/earthquake-near-taiwan-magnitude-75-felt-in-taipei-tsunami-alert/YCKS64COZNEQ7AUDMARLDNG2N4/

What is up with the media? Got to work sexual deviancy into the news every opportunity they get. Plenty of New Zealanders in Taiwan and on social media who are not narcissistic kink lords, but nope. . . got to dig up a one man freak show and crowbar him into the ‘news’.
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April 3, 2024 2:58pm
- MCōs
  
  Are you referring to this, Sir Henry Morgan (aka Captain Morgan, a brand of rum)?
  “A Kiwi drag queen living in Taiwan, Taipei Popcorn (Nick van Halderen), reacted to the earthquake via social media.
  “F*** that was massive, I really hope no one was hurt,” the performer from Dunedin said.”
  So you’re upset about someone impersonating somebody they aren’t?
  
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  April 3, 2024 4:07pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    I’m not upset, just noting the media’s curious obsession with drag queens. They could have just referenced this guy as “a New Zealander in Taiwan”, like they did with all the other New Zealanders in Taiwan who subsequently got a mention in the same piece.
    
    First up was “Kiwi drag queen” (gratuitous insertion of sex stuff into a story that is not about sex stuff)
    
    Then later in the same piece we had:
    
    “Taipei resident Hsien-hsuen Keng” (no sex stuff)
    
    “One Kiwi in Taiwan’s capital Taipei” (no sex stuff)
    
    “Kiwi woman Delphine Herbert” and her “partner” (no sex stuff)
    
    and “Air New Zealand spokesperson” (no sex stuff)
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:26pm
    - MCōs
      
      I see Mister Nick was on 1news looking every inch a bloke with no reference to his occupation, you’ll be pleased to know
      I look forward to the make believe Bishop and all round attention seeker Mr Tamaki being referred to correctly
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    I had a bit of a laugh today. Was at the ED, as I was leaving two woman were walking in, talking loudly. One said to the other, “the Dr will be surprised when he sees I’ve got a penis”. I walked away having a good laugh.
    
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    April 3, 2024 5:46pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      Sounds like a couple of men were loudly pleasuring themselves through the public performance of “woman face”.
      
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      April 3, 2024 6:14pm
    - Keith White
      
      Trying again as my previous comment didn’t get through – that specimen sounds like what we call a WOMBAT patient: Waste Of Money, Brains And Time (and blocking an actually ill patient from being seen…).
      
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      April 3, 2024 7:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps I should add that her and her friend were walking in with a cop, and it was obvious she had been assaulted. So no she wasn’t a waste of time
        
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        April 3, 2024 8:05pm
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National/ ACT/ NZ First (56%) increase lead over Labour/ Greens/ Maori on 40.5% – now at 15.5% points

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/national-act-nz-first-56-increase-lead-over-labour-greens-maori-on-40-5-now-at-15-5-points?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MRU%203rd%20April%202024&utm_content=MRU%203rd%20April%202024+CID_ed5e5ff547a967b53287f970b072c08d&utm_source=Market%20Research%20Update&utm_term=Read%20Full%20Article
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April 3, 2024 6:55pm
Ghost

Seems like a good idea

The Transport Minister has rejected a Coroner’s call for a law change to make doctors register patients deemed unfit to drive with the New Zealand Transport Agency Waka Kotahi (NZTA).

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April 3, 2024 6:59pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie in Cali just txt to say she can’t BELIEVE the amount of weight Hazza’s wife
has packed on…. particularly around her butt.
I put it down to her genes, but my friend heard she had to stop taking Ozempic
due to the cronic fatigue and constipation she’s been experiencing.

Once I receive the pic I’ll post the link.
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April 3, 2024 7:18pm
Southern Raider

Out for dinner in Wellington and a guy at the table next to me is moaning because he needs to top up his daughters student allowance so she can live.

To top it off claims students shouldn’t have to work to pay for their study or end up with debt doing so

He looks like his daughter would be doing a BA in Humanities so unlikely to ever move off the minimum wage anyway

Some people live in lalaland
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