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NeverMindTheBollocks

Councils don’t always spend your money as well as you would do – Nicola Willis, RNZ 7 July 2025.

Black, pot, kettle. Assemble in the right order.
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July 8, 2025 8:00am
- cmm
  
  It is the general principle of taxation:
  The tax takers presume to know how to spend money better than the taxpayers.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:43am
  - Paulus
    
    That is why we are foolish to hold elections because we get what we deserve.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:55pm
- R
  
  Councils and governments would, if only the voter’s would elect competent people rather than those who promise the most lollies,at the expense of the motivated people.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:12pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Competent people would be deterred from running for public office by the intellectual inertia, and ideological dogma, of the bureaucracy and other candidates/incumbents.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:54pm
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Lack of competent Councillors is a problem, but not the problem. Elected people do not control Councils – the CEO’s do.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Another day, another immigration scam – this one involving criminal drug gangs.

We are obviously seen as a soft touch. I don’t want these people as neighbours. Past time for Immigration to take a much tougher stance.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566240/over-200-work-visas-linked-to-companies-connected-to-vietnamese-organised-crime-rings
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July 8, 2025 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Yep its not as if NZ doesnt have enough home grown crime problems the Wellington Clown Show has to import criminal networks.
  
  This is on those bozos in Wellington. NZ is a soft touch, run organized crime in NZ for a few years get the money overseas. If caught a few soft years in prison and out. The rewards far out weigh any consequences.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Simon I generally agree, but prison is a dangerous place.
    
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    July 8, 2025 9:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Apparently this behaviour started on 2021, during Covid I guess, guess who was soft on crime, soft on law and order in general. I want to know how Thomas’s people got into the country when it was locked down 2020 and 2021
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:40am
  - R
    
    They had friends, as did a few of the then governments friend.
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:14pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Credit where credit is due. Rather than simply impose a solution, or pretend to offer choice via options you might describe as Bad, Terrible or Execrable, Tauranga Council is actually asking residents for ideas to address parking problems at Mt Maunganui. Good for them.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566243/parking-problems-in-the-mount-nothing-is-off-limits
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July 8, 2025 8:03am
- JeffW
  
  Which they are then likely to ignore
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:23am
- Paulus
  
  In other words the Council staff sub committees have elected to charge for parking in Mt Maunganui, excepy Maori of course, as they own it all, so the they can say to the Council Members and Cambridge Mayor, we have sought opinion and they support parking metres in the Mount.
  
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  July 8, 2025 1:59pm
Chuck Bird

I heard Heather interview John Bolton this morning. He said a two-state solution for Gaza is not going to happen as they cannot get rid of Hamas. Should our government change its position on this issue?
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July 8, 2025 8:06am
- Simon
  
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  Doctors say Israel is blocking deliveries of formula urgently needed as mothers are either dead or too malnourished to feed their babies
  
  Doctors in Gaza have warned that hundreds of babies are at risk of death amid a critical shortage of baby milk, as Israel continues to restrict the humanitarian aid that can enter the beleaguered strip.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/05/theyre-skin-and-bones-doctors-in-gaza-warn-babies-at-risk-of-death-from-lack-of-formula
  
  Why is Israel staving babies? What NZ govt position on this?
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:09am
  - Southern Raider
    
    The Guardian and “Gaza Health Ministry” eg Hamas propaganda
    
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    July 8, 2025 9:39am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Anything that challenges your worldview is “propaganda” is it? Just sweep it under the rug and forget about it. With that idea in mind, you could live your entire life without ever having to consider the possibility that you are wrong.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:55pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Southern, How long will you and the 11+ uptickers keep up this meaningless mem/Mis information
      
      ie Fatality statistics from Gaza Health ministry are Hamas propaganda.
      
      Albeit The Lancet and other international outlets have used on scene doctor/nurses reports suggesting that fatalities exceed that published by Gaza health
      
      A blind cat in a coalmine could see the mass destruction in Gaza from IDF bombing, missiles and shelling.
      
      and only an idiot would think there were no casualties!!!
      
      So is your point that the number of deaths is not 56,000. Would you be happy if it was only 40,000 civilians? Even 20,000 would be a tragedy.
      
      I am reminded of Vietnam when body count became popular. Hence the My Lai massacre when an estimated 500 murdered were said to be , according to Lt Calley, Viet Cong.!! No, they were women, children and old men.
      
      I wouldnt be surprised if IDF are counting Hamas Fighters “”eliminated”” using Lt Calleys counting method.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:03pm
      - Spoff
        
        “A recent report prepared by Garb Yaakov, a Professor at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev in Israel, and published on The President & Fellows of Harvard College Dataverse website, has substantiated what critics of Israel’s actions in Gaza have long asserted, regarding the actual number of individuals killed by Israel in the Gaza Strip. The report suggests that the real number significantly surpasses the officially reported death toll, as victims who are buried under debris or dismembered are not included in mainstream reports.
        https://21stcenturywire.com/2025/06/23/new-report-the-hidden-numbers-behind-gazas-real-death-toll/
        
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        July 8, 2025 2:45pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Simon, you are correct. Israel is not blameless. However, my point is that a two-state solution will never happen, and our government should stop calling for one.
    
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    July 8, 2025 9:42am
  - Local Miller
    
    Ah yes, The Guardian, always a source of balanced, unbiased truth. //s
    Did they mention that Israel are providing millions in aid, and that it’s Hamas who are stopping the aid from getting to the people? Oh, I must have missed that when I read the article.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:08am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Israel is supplying millions in Aid. You mean that Israel is finally releasing some of the Tax dollars they have been accumulating from Palestinians?
      You do know that Taxes are collected by Israel and redistributed to Palestinian authorities(if they are good boys).
      
      Local, I wonder which mis information service you subscribe to?
      
      Maybe you should read something a bit more independant?
      https://ground.news/article/israel-maintains-blockade-on-the-entry-of-humanitarian-aid-into-gaza
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:07pm
    - Spoff
      
      The armed Gaza crime families who were reportedly equipped by Israel under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s orders were involved in a clash with Hamas operatives near aid distribution centers earlier this week, sparking a violent confrontation falsely blamed on the IDF, Israel Hayom has learned.
      
      Israeli government sources launched a fierce attack on Yisrael Beytenu Chairman Avigdor Lieberman Thursday after he claimed that Israel was arming militias associated with ISIS in the Gaza Strip on orders from Netanyahu’s office. The Prime Minister’s Office did not deny Lieberman’s statements and said, “Israel acts to defeat Hamas in various and diverse ways on the recommendation of all security establishment heads.”
      https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/05/isis-linked-militia-was-involved-in-misattributed-hamas-incident/
      
      “Images have shown the Daesh-linked extremists, which oppose Hamas in Gaza, “brandishing automatic weapons” and “wearing Israeli military tactical vests”. MintPress described them as “an infamous criminal network responsible for looting humanitarian aid”, further worsening the already dire situation for people in Gaza. Even the UN has previously suggested Israeli involvement in supporting these criminals’ actions, especially since May 2024.
      Yesterday (5 June), meanwhile, Israeli politician Avigdor Lieberman claimed Netanyahu had arranged arms transfers to “clans associated with ISIS“. Netanyahu’s office stressed that his regime was trying to undermine Hamas in “diverse ways”. The Diplomatic-Security Cabinet added that “Israel does act to create conflict between Hamas and other forces”. Later, Netanyahu said:
      “we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What’s wrong with that?”
      There have been dozens of deaths as Israel has reluctantly allowed small amounts of aid into Gaza in recent days. And some of those may have links to the extremists Israel has supported. As a senior humanitarian official told MintPress:
      “Anyone telling you the gangs are helping the people is a liar”
      https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2025/06/06/israel-isis-funding/
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:50pm
  - wsk12345
    
    If Hamas wanted the babies to be fed it would happen. Many opportunities when the terrorist stole the food meant for the population, including mothers. They chose war. And the only reason this is making the nees [news] is as a way to hammer Israel for their own wrongdoings. I bet if the formula were provided the babies would still be killed.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:14am
    - Ra Henare
      
      What propoganda are you consuming??
      If formulae was provided the babies would still be killed.
      
      This in context suggests Hamas are killing babies?
      
      Think a little bit of rational thinking would say that IDF via bombing and shelling are killing Babies, not Hamas fighters.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:10pm
  - G152
    
    Its Hamas running the ‘news’….
    Its called propaganda
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:30am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Yes, Hamas ownership and control of the Western media is well documented, even though Hamas themselves dismiss these persistent claims as anti-Hamasic tropes.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:58pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      No, Israel and US are running the news. They combined, have way more expertise and expertise to run propaganda than some rag tag Hamas operatives.
      
      I well remember that, within a matter of minutes of the October 6th Attack. Israeli “news” was propagating a lie that Babies were burnt in Ovens and pregnant women had their bellies slashed open.
      WITHIN MINUTES THEY KNEW THIS?
      
      Bollocks, and much of that fear and loathing propaganda was thoroughly debunked in following months.
      But it was so successful(propaganda) that many in the west still believe it and spew it out on a regular basis.
      
      What is the saying.
      A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes.
      That quote from 1919.
      
      With today’s Internet
      A lie can travel around the world in milliseconds while truth is ……..still asleep.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:21pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Simon, why are there tunnels under Gaza?
    Are there tunnels under the place you live?
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:30am
    - KH
      
      Dunedin must be riddled with Hamas.
      Two hospitals. DPH and Wakari. Both with extensive basements. And tunnels. Including right under State highway one. And at distance under extensive lawns for quite a distance.
      You would never know.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:37pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      Is it to protect Hamas from Israeli attack? And they seem justified, given the last 2 years of the Israeli offensive in Gaza. I don’t have tunnels under my house simply because I don’t feel threatened by my next door neighbours.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:01pm
    - Spoff
      
      The underground city: uncovering traces of the Warsaw Ghetto
      “However, as Hanna Wróblewska, former Deputy Director of the Warsaw Ghetto Museum and now Minister of Culture and National Heritage, explained: “at one point we all fell into such an enchanted vortex that we could not stop the excavations, because there were more rooms to discover. It turned out that we had discovered an underground city. And now we are wondering how to take care of this underground city.””
      https://holocaustremembrance.com/news/warsaw-ghetto-excavations-archeology
      It is what people penned up do.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:58pm
- Debsta
  
  Of course they should Chuck. But they won’t since hug-a-muslim is the trend du jour and bugger the Jews apparently.
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:18am
- Wandering Star
  
  Why?
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:26am
- greybeard
  
  I heard that as well: he reminded me of Seymour, on top of facts and articulate. Good to be reminded that there are still intelligent people in the States concerned with their security.
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:28am
  - Wandering Star
    
    How does Hamas affect America’s security? Hamas is a purely regional entity. If anything endangers America’s security, it is America’s instrumentalisation as Israel’s battering ram and guarantor. Israel is now, and has always been, a liability for the United States, and the completely one-sided relationship only benefits Israel.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      Hamas is just an arm of the Iranian regime.
      
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      July 8, 2025 11:26am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Maybe the Iranians use Hamas to “fight ’em over there so we don’t have to fight ’em over here” which, as I recall, was a popular slogan used to justify the US’s invasion of Iraq for Israel. You may even wonder why Iran feels it needs proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah to combat Israel, and that Israeli behaviour in the last month demonstrates the need for proxies.
        
        After all, a precondition to any Israeli attack on Iran is first negating proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah, who would be close enough to effectively retaliate against Israel in such a case. It’s as if the aim was always to hit Iran, and October 7th provided a pretext.
        
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        July 8, 2025 2:12pm
      - Spoff
        
        That is a new one on me Rangitoto. Can you link me to where you gained this information please.
        
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        July 8, 2025 3:02pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Did you hear the part about the US and maybe Isreal keep up the attack on Iran till they stop Iran with their nuclear program? Iran must not have nuclear weapons.
    
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    July 8, 2025 9:02am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Without nuclear weapons, Iran is vulnerable to US-Israeli aggression. It’s completely rational to want nuclear weapons when a belligerent and expansionist Israel lives nearby. The strikes on Iran recently only demonstrate why they need the protection nukes guarantee.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:15pm
  - Ross Bayer
    
    GB, thanks for the satirical comments for a minute there I thought it was a serious opinion.
    That man Mr Bolton is a top bloke
    
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    July 8, 2025 9:06am
- Cassandra
  
  No. The 2 state solution is just a code for bystanders to use. Showing some sympathy. It doesn’t exist any more, other than as a pipe dream. Even if Hamas is destroyed (and that’s unlikely) until most of Islam accepts Israel’s right to exist Israel cannot accept a state on its border. My own choice would be to incorporate some of the West Bank into Jordan. Then Gaza? Let my people go! Most Gazans would prefer somewhere else. How about Egypt?
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:34am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The Egyptians do not want them, as some Hamas members would sneak through.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:46am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Jordan doesn’t want them either considering the last time that they took Palestinians the PLO tried to kill the Jordanian king.
      Seems to be a common problem here that western socialists want to ignore.
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:10am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Why should any country accept Palestinians, when Palestinians already have Gaza and the West Bank? The question is, why should the Jews be free to push them out?
        
        The irony of large numbers of Jews supporting the forced deportation of people they blame for all of their problems shouldn’t be lost on anyone. It’s like they only care about such things when it happens to them, otherwise they enthusiastically support it.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:51pm
    - JeffW
      
      Nor does Jordan
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    Was about to post the exact same thing. Two state solution is just code for I dont know how to solve the problem but want to signal good intentions.
    
    From what I understand Egypt doesnt want anything to do with Hamasor the Palestinians. Kind of says something doesn’t it.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:47am
    - Ra Henare
      
      and of course why should Egypt want a 2 million people influx to their country.
      
      Wikipedia gives a clue.
      
      About 95% of the Egypts 107 million people (May 2025) live along the banks of the Nile and in the Nile Delta, which fans out north of Cairo; and along the Suez Canal. These regions are among the world’s most densely populated, containing an average of over 1,540 people per km2, as compared to 96 persons per km2 for the country as a whole.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        What’s another couple of mil, then? To solve a generational problem?
        
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        July 8, 2025 7:02pm
  - Wandering Star
    
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    So, as long as Israel continues to promulgate its decades-old talking point that all of their neighbours want to destroy them (when in reality, none of them have any practical ability to do so), the Israelis have licence to continue rejecting any two state solution and to continue warring with and destabilizing the region.
    
    The last thing Israel wants is peace and stability, because it needs the opposites of these conditions to achieve regional dominance, which has always been its strategy.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:50am
    - Local Miller
      
      BS, Israel have supported a 2 state solution and it has been rejected or partly put in place, only to have the peace shattered by the likes of October 7.
      And Israel wanting “regional dominance” is utter BS. Israel just wants to live in peace and know that no one is going to drop rockets on them. Is this too much to ask? Israel has done more to help their neighbours, has a more liberal and inclusive democracy than most of their neighbours, and helps even their enemies when they need medical assistance. The thing they want the most is Peace and Stability! The capitals are deliberate.
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        While Israel might support the notion of a 2 state solution, I think they are also sufficiently realistic to realise it is never going to actually happen.
        
        The Muslim world will continue to push for the extermination of Israel for as long as Muslims exist. These wars will continue to flare up for the foreseeable future.
        
        My long term prediction (ie. still many decades out) is that Israel is highly reliant on the West and with time, the West will be taken over by Islamic (or pro-Islamic) governments . When that happens Israel will be alone and will no longer be able to defend itself.
        
        Within 50 years, France will be Islamic. Ireland has joined South Africa (== Iranian puppet) in its genocide case against Israel. By 2070 we can expect Muslims to outnumber Christians world wide.
        
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        July 8, 2025 11:08am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Think a little bit of research Local, will give you an answer.
        
        Maybe start with
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
        
        So an interpretation of Israeli offering a 2 state solution is perhaps not what you think?
        
        ie Palestinians get maybe 91% of their land in 10-25 years? etc etc
        
        Oh and by the way you should also read
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242
        
        ie Israeli was an illegal occupier of much of Palestine.
        
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        July 8, 2025 2:39pm
      - Spoff
        
        Pointing to Hamas’s ‘little state,’ Netanyahu touts his role blocking 2-state solution.
        Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday night that he was “proud” he prevented the establishment of a Palestinian state and took credit for “putting the brakes” on the Oslo peace process, during a press conference at the Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv.
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/pointing-to-hamass-little-state-netanyahu-touts-role-blocking-2-state-solution/
        
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        July 8, 2025 5:32pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Does Israel continue promulgate the notion that all of their neighbours want to destroy them when it’s had a lasting peace treaty with Egypt for decades and was party to multiple peace deals during Trump’s first term?
      
      Israel’s primary objective has always been it’s own security and has demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice territory for peace.
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:22am
      - Wandering Star
        
        The US bribes Egypt to maintain peace with Israel, as it does Jordan. The top three recipients of US “foreign aid” are Israel, Egypt and Jordan, so effectively, Israel is the top three recipients of US taxpayer money.
        
        When the US isn’t bribing countries on behalf of Israel, it is bombing or invading them for the same ends.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:35pm
    - cmm
      
      “when in reality, none of them have any practical ability to do so”
      
      Even those without the practical capability to destroy you can do a hell of a lot of damage trying.
      
      “The last thing Israel wants is peace and stability”
      I would argue otherwise. They have no interest in regional dominance beyond securing their own safety.
      
      Do you really think Israeli conscripts want to spend about a decade of their lives (all up) in uniform when they could be doing something else (building careers, making money)?
      
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      July 8, 2025 11:00am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Expanding territory and subgugating others necessitates war, of one form or another. A common Jewish trait is single-minded fanaticism for the group cause, and if that means making war or justifying it for the good of the group, I’m sure a good proportion are prepared to do it.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:44pm
  - Scott
    
    Stuff on Sunday featured a very one sided story about life in Gaza.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360748232/boy-gaza-brain-damage-fights-his-life-amid-blockade
    
    “Three-year-old Amr al-Hams, who has brain damage caused by an Israeli strike on his family’s tent in April, lies in a bed at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, Gaza Strip, Wednesday, June 25”.
    
    There is a picture of the boy and his sufferings are laid out in exhaustive detail.
    
    “The war began October 7, 2023, when Hamas-led militants stormed into Israel and killed some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took 251 people captive. Israel’s retaliatory campaign has killed over 57,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which says women and children make up most of the dead but does not specify how many were fighters or civilians.”
    
    So the war began with 1200 Israelis killed and then wicked Israel has reacted out of all proportion by killing over 57,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children. Bad bad Israel.
    
    “Israeli forces have raided and besieged medical facilities, claiming Hamas militants have used them as command centers.”
    
    Again bad bad Israel. Claiming Hamas have used hospitals as command centres?
    That’s actually a well documented fact. Hamas does hide behind hospitals and embed themselves into the civilian population to maximise casualties and therefore get sympathetic stories like this one.
    
    “For more than 2 1/2 months, Israel blocked all food, medicine and other supplies from entering Gaza, accusing Hamas of siphoning off aid to fund its military activities, though the UN said there was no systematic diversion. The population was pushed toward famine.”
    
    Again bad bad Israel. Accusing Hamas of siphoning off aid.
    They were siphoning off aid. That’s been well documented. It’s not an accusation, it’s a fact.
    
    “Gaza will be dealing with future generations of kids living with all sorts of disabilities……. that could have been prevented if the health system wasn’t systematically targeted and destroyed as it was,” said Tanya Haj-Hassan, a pediatric intensive care specialist”.
    
    Bad bad Israel systematically targeting the health system. Again Hamas hid behind and under and within hospitals. The doctors in Gaza, many were in league with Hamas and some were the willing captors of the Jewish hostages.
    
    Amr was treated in the Indonesian hospital in Gaza but it was attacked by Israel.
    
    “Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the Indonesian Hospital had been built by Hamas on a site that sat on top of a network of Hamas tunnels, in order to conceal the underground fortifications.”
    
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/jakarta-pushes-back-as-idf-says-hamas-using-indonesian-hospital-to-hide-terror-base/amp/
    
    There is a propoganda war and Stuff are one sided participants in efforts to highlight the suffering of the people of Gaza, cast Israel as the villains, take Israeli claims as questionable and take the Hamas claims as truth.
    
    It’s terrible there is a war in Gaza but Hamas started it. Too many here in the West are being duped by one sided coverage that has the same playbook – Israel bad, the people of Gaza innocent victims. That’s just not true.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:55am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Israel has repeatedly stated that if Hamas returned ALL the hostages, the war would stop.
      So who is the cause of the ongoing war & it’s consequences ??
      Mmmm……that’s a hard one. //
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:40am
      - R
        
        Clearly beyond the intellect of both Hamas, and the Iranian mullahs to solve!.
        
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        July 8, 2025 12:24pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        sorry to contradict you Don.
        But Netanyahu has publically stated the war will only stop when all Hamas fighters are eliminated, even if they return the hostages.
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-claims-impossible-to-resume-gaza-war-if-deal-reached-to-free-all-hostages/
        
        PM insists fighting won’t end until terror group destroyed
        
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        July 8, 2025 2:46pm
    - KH
      
      The war started decades ago. Not in October 23.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:40pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Jordan IS the two state solution. Mandatory Palestine got split into two countries, the tiny Israel and the much larger Palestinian Kingdom of Jordan.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:57am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      After Jordan’s experience with the PLO in the 70’s that won’t happen. They nearly destroyed the country until they were expelled to Lebanon where they formed Hezbollah
      
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      July 8, 2025 10:59am
- surfing
  
  I’m going to be radical – find somewhere else in the world for the Israelis.
  
  Bring them all to NZ? Sponsored by the world to build infrastructure, they’d transform the economy.
  
  These 2 groups of people will never accept each other, one has to move.
  
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  July 8, 2025 8:58am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hitler’s suggestion was Madagascar.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:09am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Apparently it was a definite plan agreed upon by both the Zionists and the Germans, but the escalation of the conflict made the mass transit to Madagascar too difficult.
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:02pm
    - Allan
      
      Hitlers plan was to ship all the jews to the gas chambers.
      
      He had to total support of the muslim regimes in the middle east. The grand mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler for this purpose.
      
      The plans were in place for this to happen as soon as Army Group A and the Afrika Corp joined up.
      
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      July 8, 2025 5:56pm
  - Positan
    
    That’s absurd!!!
    
    Israel, once called Canaan, is the homeland of the Jews. The Bible repeats it many times. The fact that the Roman armies drove them out some 2000 years ago changes nothing.
    
    Why can’t you accept that?
    
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    July 8, 2025 11:23am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Accept the bible as fact!! You jest of course.
      The Jews came from Egypt! Maybe that is their homeland.
      The Book of Joshua details the Jewish conquest and settlement of Canaan.
      Question. Who were living their to be conquered?
      
      I asked AI about Jewish arrival in the Holy land seeing as both the bible and the Quran cover a similar period and both reference the Jews.
      
      https://grok.com/chat/28e5002e-3bf1-4789-9b54-1751453879e2.
      
      Thank you to KB commenters on throwing up comments that make me think? whaaaaat? And consequently send me off on a research path.
      
      AI makes the process a lot quicker than googling stuff.
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:00pm
  - artemisia
    
    There are a few sizeable Jewish communities in South America.
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:37pm
    - cmm
      
      There are more Jews in USA than there are in Israel.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:53pm
  - cmm
    
    Relocating Jews out of Israel would be a short-term solution for just the Jews (to the extent that it is a solution at all).
    
    But remember that Israel is just the canary in the coal mine.
    
    Islam wants exactly the same for the whole West. Israel is just the start.
    
    By 2070 there are expected to be more Muslims in the world than Christians.
    There are expected to be more Muslims than Christians in France much sooner than that.
    What is currently mainly happening in the Middle East will spread elsewhere.
    
    If you think that Islam will be happy at wiping Israel off the map I think you are naive.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:57pm
  - Spoff
    
    Was already done in 1928:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
    
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    July 8, 2025 5:19pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  He’s right, but there is no reason to think that New Zealand will unilaterally be able to come up with, let alone get implemented, a better idea. All the possible approaches have already been thought of, most of them have already been tried, by people with far more ability to make things happen than we have, and none of them has worked or is going to work.
  
  What actual benefit would there be, to NZ or anybody else, in getting out of step with the international mainstream in this regard?
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:07am
- Paulus
  
  Hamas is totally with the men and embedded in Gaza and is still being financed from other Oil rich Arab countries to keep media pressure internationally on Israel.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:13am
- BeaB
  
  My ideal solution would be for the new United Emirates of Hebron to take over the West Bank to add to their existing lands and for the Gaza Strip to be absorbed into Israel. Then they both agree to live in peace and prosper together. Israel and Hebron plus the Abraham Accords. Peace and prosperity for the Middle East.
  Unhappy Hamas, Hezbollah and other madmen can then all congregate in some desert hellhole and fight one another to their hearts’ content.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:39am
- imalwaysright
  
  The weight of NZ’s position on anything should be judged by the number of people who ask “What’s NZ’s position on this?”
  Lets not kid ourselves.
  Even the Islands don’t care what we think.
  NZ’s opinion doesn’t matter.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Most leaders in the world are calling for a 2 state solution, it will be what will be. Peters is his own man on foreign affairs, good luck getting him to change his mind
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:43am
- cmm
  
  ” He said a two-state solution for Gaza is not going to happen as they cannot get rid of Hamas”
  
  Israel identified this a long time ago. At least a decade ago now, they realised they will never be able to eradicate terror groups.
  
  That is why they changed to the strategy they call “mowing the lawn”. That means they keep terrorism at low-ish levels by constantly perform low-level activities to keep things in check.
  
  Unfortunately there was a period when the lawn mowing seems to have been forgotten about for a bit and October 7th happened – followed by a need to bring out the heavy duty equipment.
  
  I suspect they will go back to their lawn mowing once these current wars are over.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:49am
- Ra Henare
  
  You mean John Bolton, the warmonger whose stand solution is to bomb and shell whoever he thinks is a bad guy.
  No wonder Trump fired him
  
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  July 8, 2025 1:48pm
Simon

Cyclone Gabrielle
manawanui boat
MethaneSAT satellite

Clown Show losses mounting up.
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July 8, 2025 8:10am
sirknz

Yes, let’s definitley have more diversity.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-snapchat-rapist-raveen-saily-admits-grooming-and-sex-offences-against-13-year-old/RSRSQNT5PBAMPIXWUE6URUFWWM/
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July 8, 2025 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Then there is Shubham Choudhary & Nishanth Parakudiyil Prahladan just the other day.
  
  The new rainbow prison population.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:46am
Positan

Geoffrey Palmer’s “performance” before the Select Committee was a nothing more than a submission from one irrelevantly self-obsessed with his own self-importance. Jeez, the man’s only a year older than I am, but his “Wreck of the Hesperus” image made me wonder why we still have to be assailed with his self-absorption and clearly-postured ideas.
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July 8, 2025 8:19am
- Quail
  
  Palmer created the RMA and his mate Bolger put it into law.
  Birds of a feather.flock together!
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:35am
- sirknz
  
  Why do they put so much weight on the words of the third worst constitutional lawyer this country has ever seen?
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:53am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Where was Palmer when Jacinda was leaving the imprints of her jackboots on our rights ?
    
    His silence was deafening.
    Probably because there was no one he could bill.
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:08pm
- Paulus
  
  Palmer. the Founder of much of what we have in New Zealand today by division is a Silly old Fart, who still thinks what he says, is what we want.
  Look at the damage he has caused.
  Send him back to the Unit.
  
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  July 8, 2025 2:07pm
artemisia

Uber’s fight over drivers’ employment status goes to Supreme Court

Meanwhile the Employment Relations Amendment Bill has been introduced to the House. It clarifies the distinction between contractors and employees. For ‘clarify’ read ‘change’.

So if the Supreme Court follows the Court of Appeal (Uber’s case lost) what happens to the Uber drivers if the changes are enacted. Likely. And will there be a flood of applications from contractors to become permies before the new rules.

There are contractors that post here. Thoughts? Will you be requesting a new contract? Before deciding double check the employee benefits at the Reserve Bank to include in your request LOL.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018994633/uber-s-fight-over-drivers-employment-status-goes-to-supreme-court
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July 8, 2025 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Oh bugger…
  Some US states have laws like that preventing people from working as individual contractors for more than 2 years or such.
  
  I’m very happy with my current contractor status and I would suspect that the IRD is very happy with it too. I have been self employed since 2007 and my primary customer has been using around 35 to 40 hours a week of my time for the last 12 years or so.
  
  If they do end up in a situation where contractors can insist on becoming employees then I hope there is some sort of opt-out clause where people can choose to not become employees.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:55am
  - rouppe
    
    I’m quite surprised ird hasn’t given notice that long term contractors need to think about their status.
    
    Other government departments have.
    
    However after most of my life as salaried with the attendant HR bollocks, I can agree that being an independent contractor is superior.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:18pm
    - cmm
      
      Sorry, I meant that IRD is getting a whole lot more tax revenue from me because I earn more as a contractor.
      
      I am not consulting to the the IRD.
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:31pm
Southern Raider

How can you ever achieve a two state solution when the second state is actually in two different geographic locations and in each of those two second states is different political parties with one threatening to destroy the first state.

Gaza had an opportunity through industry left behind by Israel and billions of annual aid money to create a self supporting emirate type model, but decided building more tunnels than Aucklands new train line and murdering young festival goers was a better outcome.

All of our politicians (and those other western Govts) who their complete naivety thinking any form of sustainable peace can be reached with a terror group.
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July 8, 2025 8:30am
Northshoredoc

Measles cases in the US reach 33-year high.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98jng7j1llo

So much winning.
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July 8, 2025 8:31am
- Ghost
  
  Yeah. Vaccinations rates in the USA started dropping after Covid. Perhaps you can tell us what president ~~Jill~~ Joe Biden did to try and fix this decrease
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:28am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Yes, I agree much more should’ve been done to catch up on vaccination coverage post COVID.
    
    I can’t see the situation getting any better under the current administration.
    
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    July 8, 2025 4:33pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Trust is a coin you only get to spend on a lie once.
  
  Which is a terrible pity as most pre-covid vaccines clearly worked great with very good safety profiles.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:38am
  - [email protected]
    
    I agree. No wonder people no longer trust vaccines like they used to. The pharmaceutical companies such as Phizzer, Medurma, etc. created this mistrust.
    
    However, the more intelligent still trust the age-old vaccines such the MMRP vaccines and still get their kids vaccinated with the vaccines they have learned to trust,
    
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    July 8, 2025 7:15pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.35am, just the three bikes today.

A cool, calm, dry morning in the Capital, with clear blue skies. It really does not get better for biking than this. Plenty of public servants around, queuing out of the door at the local cafe.

And yet, still twenty one empty slots.
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July 8, 2025 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But if you look back through all your data, you’ve got to admit that 3 bikes is a stirling effort and must be a record for july/winter.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:55am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    School holidays too!
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:07am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Lawks a mercy! At 11.47am there are no fewer than six bikes in the rack. An all-time record for this observer.
    
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    July 8, 2025 11:47am
- sirknz
  
  Is that a record number of bikes?
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:55am
- G152
  
  And no bikes in the racks at Frankton railway station as usual
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:35am
- Mike
  
  Grey Street bike rack report:
  
  At 12.13 pm, just the 38 bikes today.
  
  Cold weather, but sunny and ok for cycling.
  
  BTW, I can’t tell if the patrons in the cafes are public servants.
  
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  July 8, 2025 1:19pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Spot the lanyards, Mike. The rainbow ones are certainly in the public sector.
    
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    July 8, 2025 7:09pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Uber drivers are picketing Parliament.
  
  Maybe the spot price was too much for our public servants who are paid a 20% premium over private sector workers.
  
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  July 8, 2025 2:16pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

Does Trump genuinely believe that US tariffs on imported goods are paid by the country that the goods came from?
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July 8, 2025 8:57am
- Local Miller
  
  I think you don’t understand how tariffs are implemented.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:26am
  - RoboRob
    
    The importing party pays the tariff as import duties on receipt of the goods. The tariff goes to the government. The overseas party gets whatever they charged for the goods and the US party pays that PLUS the import duties / tariffs.
    
    The US importer then has to sell the goods for enough to cover their costs and make a profit.
    
    So the people that pay are a combination of the US importer (if they reduce their profit margin) and the US consumer (if the price rises). A third option is the the overseas exporter reduces their charge to offest the additional tariffs. That may be happening at present but is unlikely to last in the long term.
    
    In general the people paying tariffs are Americans.
    
    Hope that clears it up for you 🙂
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:46am
    - artemisia
      
      There is also ECON101. If demand drops as price rises, suppliers will reduce their output. And their income.
      
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      July 8, 2025 11:38am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yup. Also high demand / supply generate economies of scale which push the cost per unit down and allow for cheaper prices. The reason that almost eveything in the US is significantly cheaper then in NZ.
        
        Strangely I have two down ticks for just posting the basic facts around how tarrifs work. Would the down tickers care to detail where I am wrong or do they really want just want to stick with Trumps ‘Chiiina pays’ description of tarrifs? Do they really think that Trump sends the Chinese (or other) government a bill at the end of the month that China then pay?
        
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        July 8, 2025 12:38pm
      - Cassandra
        
        The part that China pays is indirect – the reduced demand, plus the manufacturing moving back to America.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:16pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Cassandra
        
        Totally agree, there is a cost to China.
        
        However I think when people hear ‘Japan will pay the tariffs’ they literally thin Japan is paying. The 400b (or whatever it is) that Trump has taken in tariffs is from US citizens.
        
        To be clear I support most of what Trump is doing. I just think people misunderstand tariffs.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:40pm
    - cmm
      
      Well not really.
      
      The selling country are competing against other providers for most products. As a result it is often the seller who has to charge less to keep their product competitive.
      
      Do Americans pay more? Yes, possibly, but most of the value of products is added in the supply chain so are not subject too duties.
      
      For example, consider a T-shirt made in China and sold in an upmarket NY store.
      
      Tshirt sold in China FOB $2.
      Same T-shirt $40 in NY store.
      
      $38 has been added by all the transporting, warehousing, retailing etc. That is all value added in USA and not subject to tariffs.
      Add a 50% tarrif adds 50% to the $2 ie adds $1.
      That $1 is massive at the supply end, but is nothing at the sales end.
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:44pm
      - RoboRob
        
        I dont disagree. A 10% tarrif doesn’t mean an immediate 10% increase in the end price.
        
        But even in your $1 example, that is an increase in price that someone in the chain will have to pay, the consumer, the American retailer or the overseas wholesaler. At the moment I suspect that the wholesaler is taking a lot of the hit but eventually prices will rise.
        
        Interestingly even though Chinese sales to the US are down overall they are now selling more products in total, just to other countries. This may indicate less inclination at the Chinese manufacturers end to reduce prices for US customers.
        
        Also there was a story of a NZ honey (I think) company that sells into the US. The US supplier had told them they didn’t expect the NZ supplier to cut costs. So either they were taking the margin hit or passing on the cost to consumers.
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:47pm
      - cmm
        
        “I dont disagree. A 10% tarrif doesn’t mean an immediate 10% increase in the end price. ”
        
        I didn’t say that at all, though that would be the worst case scenario for the consumer.
        
        Far more likely is that if tariffs are low they will be swallowed in chunks where the highest profits are made (ie. where there is the most margin).
        
        If there is competition between a tariffed and non-tariffed supplier then the supplier will have to eat it.
        
        No doubt some retailers will exploit the situation. 10% tariffs and they push the whole end price up by 10%, but if that happens it is just greed – not caused by the tariffs per se.
        
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        July 8, 2025 3:39pm
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    I may or may not understand how tariffs are implemented. You cannot reach any conclusion on what I do or don’t understand from my question.
    
    My question concerns whether Trump understands how tariffs are implemented.
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:31pm
    - cmm
      
      Since he has been in business in one way or another, importing and exporting as part of that business for well over 50 years, I suspect he has a teenie, tiny bit of understanding of how they work.
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:47pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Many NZ labour party members own rental homes. They still thought landlords would absorb additional costs they added !
        
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        July 8, 2025 1:48pm
      - cmm
        
        Robo: Did they really think that or did they just go with the party line?
        
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        July 8, 2025 3:40pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @cmm
        
        Fair call. Its bloody hard to know. I would have said yes they were just following the party line, but they are pretty thick.
        
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        July 8, 2025 4:16pm
- slijmbal
  
  @Dudley – Trump is the ultimate (weird) politician and probably believes less than a 1/4 of what he says. It’s all performative for the cheerleaders. To be fair almost all politicians misrepresent (being generous). He just does it on steroids.
  
  Be interested to see what happens with the recent bill and his attempts to blackmail other countries with tariffs. I suspect tariffs may have the opposite effect in the long term as many shift focus to the other 75% of the world’s economy. Uncertainty is a killer for business investment.
  
  In the long run tariffs are mostly paid by the consumers and the US debt levels will be humongous but by the time these really hit he will have served his term and escaped in to crypto heaven. Tariffs on everyone is short sighted IMO (but politically astute) especially in areas where it would never help US companies and will have, and is having, a -ve effect on a number of US companies.
  
  He is a weird mix of stupid and capable but is ultimately driven by politics and his narcissm IMO. Logic is a poor 2nd.
  
  However, his recent bill was definitely misrepresented in the media. For instance, the 10 plus million estimated to be coming off Medicaid included millions of illegal immigrants who should not be getting it anyway IMO. It had work or pseudo work requirements for the many to qualify for it. Many of the remainder estimated to come off medicaid wouldn’t get it because they didn’t\couldn’t be bothered to navigate the system and not because they would not be entitled.
  
  His so called tax cuts are actually a prevention of an automatic tax raise as prior tax cuts would lapse based on some arcane way US politics work. Tax cuts do stimulate an economy. The question is whether they stimulate it enough to counter the long term inflationary drivers from tariffs and excessive debt. Excessive debt also makes it a lot harder to circumnavigate any economic bust that occurs. The US stock market is currently quite overvalued by historical measures but the tax cuts should probably stave off the next major correction for a year or two – maybe.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:51pm
  - RoboRob
    
    100%
    
    My hope is that he is really using tarrifs to force other countries to open their markets. I.e. Japan letting in US cars. However it does seem he is quite keen on just charge 10% on everyone else regardless. We will have to wait and see, as you say much is performative.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:50pm
    - slijmbal
      
      @robrob
      
      on opening other countries’ markets the irony is that the US doesn’t really do free trade 1/2 as much as they claim to – as far as I can tell every single US trade agreement has carve outs for their dairy whether quotas or tariffs as an example.
      
      If you look at tariffs on a weighted basis ie what is actually applied the US has a slightly greater weighted tariffs than Canada as an example before Trump started his most recent ‘hokey-pokey’ (in-out, in-out, shake it all about) tariff process. Ditto the EU and even Japan had about the same level of tariffs.
      
      There are non trade barriers. Your example of Japan has some for cars. They have different safety regulations, an almost cabal like approach to distribution that is difficult to break in to and, to be blunt, the big less fuel efficient vehicles from the US just don’t suit their market. Arguably the main issue is they are just not competitive in Japan. Considering the US and California, in particular, has often applied additional regulations to motor vehicles and these have blocked imports, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
      
      There are a number of countries, particularly smaller ones, who do have significant barriers to US imports but that is not what Trump is claiming. However, the US has access to most of the larger markets that is similar to those markets’ access to the US. When did the US become such a bunch of whiners now they’re less competitive?
      
      If it was logical he would be focussing on a small number of countries such as India and China. But it’s politics.
      
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      July 8, 2025 5:34pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    US debt is now around the 130% of GDP mark, 37 trillion on 27 trillion GDP, and congressmen have given up even pretending that they will focus on reducing spending – and voters seem fine with that. They will ride this flaming plane all the way into the ground.
    
    Nothing will save the US from defaulting one way or another now and who is going to lend them money when they know that default is coming? Bond rates and interest costs will inevitably skyrocket.
    
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    July 8, 2025 5:57pm
- Mike
  
  I suspect that Trump has very few genuine beliefs, apart from believing he is the most important genius ever. Oh, his racism is genuine as well.
  
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  July 8, 2025 1:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Mike the hollow oaf you paint could not possibly survive the total onslaught of Dem scumbaggery and lies, the avalanche of scumbag lawfare , the relentless tsunami of media BS, and the assassination attempts, to make the incredible comeback he has.
    
    A lesser person would have packed up long ago with an empty tank or such like.
    
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    July 9, 2025 8:31pm
Pepe Lopez

Famous words two state solution, let’s bring this closer to home, isn’t a similar situation evolving right here at home? Yeah nah….look how our tax money is being dispersed to two very separate channels. Time to look here not there so much.
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July 8, 2025 8:58am
Gravelroad

Benjamin Doyle MP reappeared on Te News last night looking very pleased with themselves.
Can’t remember what the smirking one talked about and don’t care to give them the added profile.
Has new hat though – orange.
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July 8, 2025 9:02am
- David Garrett
  
  Gravel: Why on earth are you playing along with this ” they/them” nonsense? Doyle has fathered at least one child. HE has a moustache…HE is a MAN
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    He/she/they are more special than you and me, Mr Garrett.
    Would Doyle be sitting in parliament today if he didn’t have a made-up publicity moniker?
    Soft MMP has proved to be a real game changer for chancers like Doyle.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:00am
- pdm
  
  Gravel – he was talking about early childhood education and care services after the annoncement yesterday.
  
  Scary!!!!
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And he was talking about the kids with glee
    
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  - MCōs
    
    Why would that be?
    
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    July 8, 2025 11:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He was talking about funding for day care, that’s why he was smiling when kids were mentioned
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:53am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Is it just that I’m getting older or are their indeed far more weirdoes in parliament now than there were even 5-10 years ago?
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:42pm
  - Mike
    
    Politicians have always been weird.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Both can be (and are) true
    
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    July 8, 2025 7:11pm
rjay

“We are struck at just how little evidence there is of use and occupation by any of the s274 parties of the lands and waters around Westhaven over the past 200 or more years,” the decision said.

It blamed settlement policies under the Treaty of Waitangi for disputes between the parties.

The Environment Court has ruled that Ngati Whatua are the real holders of mana whenua status over Auckland Harbour.
They appear to blame iwi and hapu wanting valuable land for making erroneous claims that have been written into treaty settlements.
Ooops!

“From the totality of evidence before us, it appears that the present dispute between the s274 parties and NWŌ [Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei] as to their relative status in Auckland City, including the area adjacent to Westhaven, largely emerged in the late 1990s as a result of tensions arising from the Crown’s Treaty settlement proposals and policies,” it said.
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July 8, 2025 9:06am
- Damocles11
  
  “The Crown is to blame”. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Well maybe we should consult the historical record when coming up with these Treaty Settlements, rather than just enthusiastically believing without question any Maori who shows up in front of the Waitangi Tribunal. False claims *may* have been written into statute as true, with taxpayers effectively being scammed. Quelle Surprise!
  Other than that, did the first dispute between Maori over pieces of land occur when the ‘evil colonists’ turned up here? According to some, that certainly seems to be the case. But on the off-chance that Maori did disagree with each other about who should be occupying any particular bit of land, were these disagreements settled amicably with a ‘peace treaty’, or was there invariably a horrifically violent confrontation? Once again, don’t bother with the historical record, we are in myth making mode these days.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t it abouit time that the advisory body called the Waitangi Tribunal, costing the taxpayers a fortune be disbanded in its present format as it is only advisory – so who cares what it automatically want and believes it is entitled.
    Use the filing basket.
    In principle it is charged with investigating and making “recommendations” on claims brought by Māori relating to actions or omissions of the Crown, so it believes it is above the elected Parliament –
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:16pm
    - Flossie
      
      Has there been any incidence of the board saying ‘No, your grievance is unjustified’ to any Maori claim?
      
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      July 8, 2025 4:28pm
balanced

After a decades of suffering questionable refereeing, it looks like NZ rugby has had enough.

Gregor Paul wrote this article today, which i guess he wouldn’t write before checking with NZR first. Controversial calls: Do referees have a bias against All Blacks?

The obvious referees cheats have traditionally been from the north, in particular the french and british isles. Joël Jutge, Wayne Barnes and Nigel Owens were shockers, and the current crop Karl Dickson and Luke Pearce have taken the cheating to new heights.

NZ Rugby has quietly watched on as the all blacks were strong enough to beat the referee and whatever team they were playing. But the loss of the world cup with a later admission from the rfu the referees “made a mistake” and now our southern hemisphere conterparts joining the cheating party (the offside and the grounding calls were a disgrace, and the referee had called the knock on as going backwards in play).

So, its time for action! There is a south african youtube outfit (TAS analytics) who analyze the referees. It is enlightening and IMO needs to be a staple part of NZs (arms length) post match programming.

The NZ rugby press could also be a little less subtle in their referee analysis, and the nz fans need to play our part. A rendition of the “how bizarre” chorus for each suspect refereeing decision would get the message across.

The boos were ringing around the ground when we watched the on screen replays in Dunedin.

I understand the risk of everyday supporters abusing referees (i refereed school by rugby for a few years) but that can be managed through alternative means.

The cost of these referee cheats to NZ sports and our economy could easily be measured in hundreds of million dollars.
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July 8, 2025 9:08am
- Scott
  
  To me the main issue is that a group of auditors huddle together after each try and look for a way not to award it. It means you can’t celebrate a try, it means that rugby has become random and nonsensical. The last world cup final was a good example of ref’s going back and back in time looking for the tiniest reason not to award a try. And don’t get me started with Sam Cane being sent off for an innocuous tackle!
  
  The All Blacks got 3 tries disallowed on Saturday night. And all of them were ruled out on very debatable grounds. I think the ref should make a decision on the field and the TMO should only step in on a clear and obvious error. And the ref has the right to overrule the TMO. And the refs should not be allowed to go back many phases to rule out tries.
  
  Rugby refereed by a committee of accountants is not rugby at all and a reason why many people are turning off rugby.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:42am
  - OlderChas
    
    Whilst on the subject of rugby…….. It is also being ruined by most defending teams being up offside at rucks. You often hear commentators burbling about the fantastic “line speed” of defenders in getting up and stifling any attacking moves. Line speed my posterior – the defenders are usually a metre or so in front of the “last foot” in a ruck. The French were very rarely all onside throughout the last test match.
    Whose job is it to police this? The onfield ref is quite properly concentrating on the goings on in the ruck and clearance of the ball so can be excused for not seeing the cheating.
    I guess the Assistant Refs are miles away up or downfield to properly adjudicate the place a ball may cross the touchline. (Or do they have another excuse?)
    Maybe this is a job for the TV ref? Put an electronic line on his screen(s) where the last foot is and allow him to call it should defenders transgress? No need to hold up the game for endless replays, just an offside word in the onfield ref’s ear and whistle it and penalty awarded. The TV electronic line has been used for years in American Football.
    Or if that’s not acceptable, create an “offside ref” whose sole job is stationing him/herself at the “last foot line” and call it from there?
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:04pm
    - balanced
      
      Older. I spend a good part of the game saying back foot. But once again, only for the opposing team; typically south Africa and england who both get away with murder
      
      It appears the english are trying to replace the all blacks with south Africa as their stadium filling southern team.
      
      The flaw in their plan is noone likes the south african boneheads (SA vanacular not mine)
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:23pm
    - Prince
      
      Agree 100%. Five minutes of all offside calls being made and you would see a change in behaviour, and more room for running rugby.
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:38pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    All three tries were definitely not tries after review by TMO in slow motion. A couple looked dodgy even in real time.
    
    I do agree with you that the referee on the field should be allowed to overrule the TMO and would prefer that the TMOs are only allowed to provide advice to the referee on howlers or foul play.
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:47pm
    - balanced
      
      I only saw 1 possble no try which was the knock on the referee who was on the spot called backwards.
      
      An obstruction is normally only called if the player is running through at an angle or changes angle to block a player. The all black pinged was running straight.
      
      And the “lost cotrol” call the player has his hand and or arm on the ball through the whole movement and placed downwards pressure on the ball. So unless there’s been a rule change which will make a lot of tries illegal (think the one handed try where the player’s hand follows the ball down to exert pressure), it was a try.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:23pm
      - I remember when
        
        The whole backline attacking game of the Lions is based on players, in front of the ball, preventing lateral cover defence.
        
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        July 8, 2025 3:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    Saturday game was a bore – and that is called Rugby.
    Likewise why do we have a Maori All Black team as there are no such thighs as a Maori.
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:18pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t think the on field referees are the problem so much as the tv refs.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:14am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Agreed. The TMO’s are trying to run the game, instead of giving advice when the on field ref requests it.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:49am
    - MCōs
      
      Furthermore
      Those guys generally only pipe up when there’s foul play between scores, They don’t notify the ref when they miss forward passes, knocks on, offside even if the offending side gains a huge advantage, unless they score.
      So for example if there’s a knock on five metres from the goal line the tmo intervenes only if it’s by the attacking side and they score. If it’s by the defending side and they race away down field the tmo does not intervene (unless they score, of course)
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The mess was the TMOs doing, the reff awarded all the try’s until the TMO came in
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:56am
- OlderChas
  
  It is becoming very reminiscent of the shockingly biased refereeing by the Aussie League refs (and commentators!) It became quite obvious that they would go back many minutes to find any possible “reason” to deny the NZ WArriors a try, or penalty, or anything to their advantage.
  
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  July 8, 2025 11:45am
- MCōs
  
  Dickie Bird, the well known English cricket umpire, said that in his first test, many years before referrals, NZ were nine down at the end of the 4th day needing a gazzillion to win.
  The other umpire said to him — Why didn’t you give #11 out lbw so we didn’t have to come back tomorrow?
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:20pm
Chuck Bird

Kerri will have Hipkins on at 10 this morning and listeners can call in, text, or email her.
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July 8, 2025 9:11am
Flossie

Wimbledon being on at the moment makes me angry again that women get the same prize monies as the men despite doing only 60% of the effort. I have been somewhat of a feminist all my life but surely equal pay for equal work is what it is supposed to be about?
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July 8, 2025 9:24am
- Cassandra
  
  A simple solution would be to have a real open – everyone can play, he/she/they. My money would be on he. Actually not my money but you know what I mean.
  
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  July 8, 2025 9:55am
  - MCōs
    
    Serena Williams said that if she played against men she wouldn’t be in the top five hundred.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:06am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, and Val Adams wouldn’t make it into the U15 boys’ athletics team.
      
      I saw this when my son played hockey at a high level. Canterbury U16B boys team would wipe the floor with the Canterbury women’s A team. Not even close.
      I reckon they could have beaten the Black Sticks women, though not quite as easily.
      
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      July 8, 2025 11:14am
- imalwaysright
  
  I think it was estimated that the first woman seed would rank at about 160th place.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:02am
- MCōs
  
  In cricket T20 pays the players a shit load more than five day tests despite being done and dusted in about four hours
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:03am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because T20 makes a lot more money.
    Does women’s tennis make the same money as men’s? If so, they should be paid the same. It’s that easy.
    
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    July 8, 2025 10:38am
    - MCōs
      
      This is specifically about Wimbledon and I’d guess the ticket prices are similar no matter who is playing on a specific court at a similar stage of the tournament
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:09pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am a keen tennis player and agree. Should seniors get to play one set and get the same money?
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:19am
- wsk12345
  
  60% of the effort presumably measured by lower power output? (Or potential number of sets played?)
  
  How about measuring power relative to the potential of a female body. Hips might find they are putting the same effort in. Still doesn’t mean they should get the same prize money.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:23am
NothingLeft

Massive IT issues abound in Putin’s Russia, as ever more senior officials are facing terminal windows problems.
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July 8, 2025 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  Transport minister dead .
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:37pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Shot himself in back of head twice, after refusing cup of tea from Putin.
    
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    July 8, 2025 5:53pm
imalwaysright

The, apparently abused, six month baby boy from Foxton died at Starship Hospital.
Another infant presented at Hutt Hospital with nine broken bones, some historic.
Sean
If tortured and murdered infants were members of the Rainbow “community”, or children of important people, the government , police, judiciary , and media would be apoplectic …

Nothing against Rainbow or important people, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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July 8, 2025 9:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Stuff still making heroes of thugs..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360749726/king-hit-knocked-police-officer-unconscious-accident-scene

Why keep referring to a “king hit” ?
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July 8, 2025 10:36am
- Swifty
  
  That the media frequently refer to thugs as ‘gangsters’ is also a pet peeve of mine.
  
  The thugs just lap that up.
  
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  July 8, 2025 10:42am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: It’s an old fashioned term – been around for donkey’s years. Now more comonly known as a “coward’s punch” – delivered without any warning.
  
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  July 8, 2025 11:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, I know..
    
    And for the last 10 years or so Aussie MSM have refrained from referring to “king hits” and have called them coward punches.
    
    I’m merely noting that NZ journos seem to delight in glamourising thuggery.
    
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    July 8, 2025 11:48am
    - kowtow
      
      They’d stop quick sharp if enough of their colleagues were at the receiving end .
      
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      July 8, 2025 12:40pm
- cmm
  
  We have a problem with softly, softly policing in NZ.
  
  A fist or foot is a potentially deadly weapon. Even if it does not kill, a king hit or head stomp can cause concussions etc to permanently maim a person for life. Getting knocked out is not just seeing stars for 20 seconds like you see in the movies.
  
  Cops really should not allow a hyped up aggressive person within striking distance of themselves (ie. 5 metres or so). If the person gets within 10 metres, pull out your taser as a wanting measure to gain control of the situation, closer than 5 metres, zap the bastard.
  
  I fully appreciate that cops are only doing what they are trained to do. That training needs to change.
  
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  July 8, 2025 11:23am
  - wsk12345
    
    Or we could just not allow feet or hands in public! Wouldnt need a knife or gun ban then!
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:07pm
Sparrow

I see some of David Seymours chickens are coming home to roost. Last year I had a very long winded email exchange with him over the school meal contract being given to the Compass Corporation. This UK organisation has a very dubious reputation. I asked David if a Due Diligence had been carried out. Although recieving a number of emails non answered my question. Obviously he finally got frustrated with my questioning and sent me a one line YES. It now turns out the Ministry of Education advised against appointing Compass because of their track record. He ignored this advice. We then suffered the resulting calamity. Seymour recently has started to produce stats that purport to show school meals are now loved. Listening to several schools the answer to those comments by Seymour is RUBBISH. The man is full of p…and w…..
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- cmm
  
  “Listening to several schools…”
  Since schools themselves can’t speak, I presume you were listening to the highly biased education union members speaking on behalf of the school.
  
  These are the same people who are determined to make any oversight fail.
  
  Perhaps you prefer the food provider run by the Maori Businesswoman of the Year that went broke, leaving millions in screwed up creditors.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:24pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Schools have reported on their dissatisfaction with the meals. There was one even today. Many school lunches were being produced by local people very successfully who then lost out to very dubious organisations. Why do you quote a bankrupt Māori business woman, there are plenty of examples of bankrupts from all ethnicities. Your comment is totally uncalled for . If Seymour did have a Due Diligence carried out why has he not mentioned it so as to counter the Ministry of Educations advice ? Why, because it never happened. Defend him all you like on this blog but he is going to be the albatross around Luxons neck at the election as are the Greens and TPM around Hipkins neck.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:44pm
    - Yabster
      
      [Mod – how many times do you have to be told to cut out the personal abuse]
      
      scrap school lunches all together- fixed. Parents are foremost responsible for their children and there is zero poverty in NZ-its about priorities – less ciggies and booze/TAB- more apples and pears…
      
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      July 8, 2025 2:45pm
    - rouppe
      
      School unions need to realise, if you want something ~~free~~ paid for by someone else, you can’t expect it to be 5 star.
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:16pm
- RoboRob
  
  National made a huge mistake in keeping the tax payer funded (not free) school lunches. Seymour wanted them gone but clearly one of both of the other coalition partners wanted them kept. The cheaper lunches was a compromise that has bitten the coaliton government badly.
  
  Just becuse the MOE advised against Compass doesn’t mean that Syemour didn’t do due diligence. The MOE is, in general, a left leaning organisation populated to heavily indoctronated personal. My wife now works for them. They were likely to advise against anything but the status quo.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:48pm
  - Ghost
    
    Acts coalition agreement was to improve the cost-effectiveness of the school lunches, not remove them.
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/sites/default/files/2023-11/National_ACT_Agreement.pdf
    
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    July 8, 2025 12:58pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m referring to their policy people voted on. Like I said ‘clearly one of both of the other coalition partners wanted them kept’, thus the coalition agreement.
      
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      July 8, 2025 1:52pm
  - Yabster
    
    Yep- so right the MoE is a socialist nest that needs a clean out- if they recommend something it’s a sure bet doing the opposite will be the best outcome…
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:48pm
Yvette

Watch live: Taxpayers Union, Māori data scientist among Regulatory Standards Bill submitters
Mikaere argued the Bill had also failed to honour Te Tiriti principles of partnership and participation in its creation.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/566290/watch-live-taxpayers-union-maori-data-scientist-among-regulatory-standards-bill-submitters

I am yet to see someone argument that the Treaty itself was conceived, written and translated by Europeans, with no known input at all by Maori, or that they had any concept or effective use of Amendments.
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July 8, 2025 12:28pm
- sirknz
  
  Apparently Deborah Russell has a PhD.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labours-deborah-russell-fires-up-questioning-former-judge-over-regulatory-standards-bill/HMVGPGGS4BAB3N4CAO5ZN3T3LQ/
  
  It is in something super useful and of benefit to every tane, wahine, and tamariki across the motu of Aotearoa, political theory.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:52pm
  - Mike
    
    She was a university lecturer on taxation.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:36pm
    - rouppe
      
      Was she giving PolSci 101 lectures on “if we just taxed the rich, the world will be much fairer. Be kind”?
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      Russell studied accountancy before veering into philosophy. She’s undoubtedly an expert on tax systems, but her view is from the Left.
      
      Russell was also Minister of Statistics (Feb to Nov 2023) and had oversight of the 2023 census, whose cost blew out to $316.3 million.
      
      Not sure her accounting expertise was applied there.
      
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      July 8, 2025 3:24pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mike: “She was a university lecturer on taxation”
      
      AOC has a degree in economics and international relations. Kamala Harris was a prosecutor. Jacinda Ardern gives lectures at Harvard.
      
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      July 8, 2025 8:51pm
- RoboRob
  
  Seymour just needs to respond, ‘we have no official definition of the principles of the treaty and therefore neither you nor I can confirm or deny that this bill is in breach of them’.
  
  It is ironic that National and NZF were against defining the princples and immediately opposition groups are straight back to using them as a weapon against any change they dislike. ‘You made your bed, now lie in it’
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:52pm
cmm

Chris Hipkins is having a sook about the phase 2 or the Royal Commission into CV19.

Hipkins told Ryan Bridge on Herald NOW this morning that governments “didn’t generally establish a Royal Commission to look at political decisions made by their predecessors”.

Ummm, I thought they were all supposed to be SCIENTIFIC decisions. Now Hipkins says they were political decisions! WTF?

Look, I am not expecting anything of use to come out of the RC anyway, I expect a total whitewash and it is just tossing a bone.

Still, Hipkins is just making shit up as he goes along here.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labours-chris-hipkins-says-covid-inquiry-terms-platform-conspiracy-theorists/7V234KETJZEEVGOYJMBB7UZBKI/
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- RoboRob
  
  They were always political decisions, hopefully based on the available facts, just like everywhere around the world. Labour, as per most of their other ‘work’, just made terrible decisions.
  
  The only good thing thats likely to come out of this is Jacinda being asked back to answer some difficult questions. She either won’t come back and look terrible or she will and look like a fool. Either way a great outcome.
  
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  July 8, 2025 12:57pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Jacinda will not appear and remember, Jacinda has never been able to answer ‘difficult’ questions, which is why she quit Hosking’s show on Newstalk ZB.
    
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    July 8, 2025 1:38pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Unfortunately Ardern prefaced every diktat with “Acting on advice from the Director General of Helf…”, while Ashley looked on, the adrenaline of self importance rushing his vein, not realising that she was setting him up as the fall guy.
    
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    July 8, 2025 2:32pm
  - cmm
    
    She will just keep saying they worked with the best science available at the time.
    
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    July 8, 2025 3:32pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Gold standard or the Science is settled standard //
      
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      July 8, 2025 5:57pm
- Yvette
  
  Still, Hipkins is just making shit up as he goes along here.
  
  No, it may just be that Hipkins is displaying he is thinking in his own context.
  What may be ‘scientific’, in his mind, is ‘political’, as probably his predecessor saw political as scientific.
  
  Like my cat sees me return with bags from the supermarket and likely think “What a successful hunt and it all is dead already.”
  
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  July 8, 2025 1:00pm
  - cmm
    
    Being a political science graduate (I assume), he probably think science and politics are the same.
    
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    July 8, 2025 3:34pm
Ghost

Tucker Carlson’s interview with the President of Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhK2gO3HEM
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July 8, 2025 12:41pm
mandk

Thank goodness we have Stuff to bring us the really important news: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360749767/whanganui-woman-ticketed-while-cinema-after-parking-meter-expires-during-film

They’ll be reporting about cats stuck up trees next.
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July 8, 2025 12:45pm
- Dougal10
  
  With app based parking available almost everywhere the only time you should get a ticket is in a max time based parking situation which is your own fault .
  
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  July 8, 2025 2:00pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I wonder if the app is spying on users so the council can sell the personal data for a bit of extra cash. Usually the reason why orgs are so eager to get people onto an app.
    
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    July 8, 2025 8:56pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’d be very happy if “cat up tree” led the news, if that meant there was nothing of greater note to report.
  
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  July 8, 2025 7:22pm
Jack5

The health system crisis continues to worsen. Add to it a sick Western culture that seems to be giving up on having its own babies, children, and families.

Staff are reported by RNZ to be begging State health not to swap maternity and gynecology beds in Wellington into elective-surgery beds.

Health’s going to be an issue at the next general election. That’s a worry.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566245/staff-beg-health-nz-not-to-swap-wellington-hospital-maternity-gynecology-beds-for-ed-patients
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July 8, 2025 1:36pm
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  Jack5, that’s for Emergency Dept beds, trial only atm. Elective surgery seems to be outsourced as much as poss. And actually getting done.
  
  Would not be surprised if outsourced procedures are costing less than the public system. The usual suspects in that system are all doom, gloom and catastrophe. But betting the private system is not top heavy with management, DEI, tikanga, unions and administrators.
  
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  July 8, 2025 3:53pm
  - MCōs
    
    To obtain a medical degree in NZ requires three years of on site training in public hospitals
    Private hospitals employ fully qualified doctors.
    Last time I saw an orthopedic surgeon there were two students in attendance learning the ropes from the surgeon who was explaining the X-ray showing various pieces of metal in my leg.
    Btw
    The surgeon and one of the students were female and the other student male Pasifika
    There was also a student with the radiologist
    
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    July 8, 2025 5:46pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s not going ahead
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566322/wellington-hospital-will-not-proceed-with-cutting-maternity-and-gynaecology-beds
  
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  July 8, 2025 5:10pm
Close Hen Counters

The announced Health NZ board and commission is a real kick in the guts for GPs and frontline health workers heaving in our public hospitals. How are any of these people going to help the health system. The token nurse doesn’t even work clinically anymore? What is an ex mayor of Lower Hutt going to contribute???? Wonder if this change will affect Northshoredoc who contributes to this page
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July 8, 2025 2:24pm
Swifty

School competition in the States:

https://x.com/johnstossel/status/1942237922981273884?s=46

So sorely needed in NZ.
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July 8, 2025 2:31pm
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  I cannot understand why some people downticked your post. I’m guessing that they are school teachers who disagree that parents should have more choice about where their kids go to school.
  
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  July 8, 2025 7:33pm
Jack5

Radio New Zealand’s got a section of its web site with Chinese language.

Finance for projects isn’t an issue for Red Radio.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/chinese/566299/teen-seeks-new-logo-after-shocking-kfc-demand
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July 8, 2025 3:10pm
Jack5

Cellphone warnings sufficient?

Christchurch is phasing out all but about five of its 45 emergency sirens in favour of emergency cellphone alerts, as well as radio and TV warnings.

However, in Texas, where 82 have died in floods, with many bodies still missing, a petition has been started to get an early warning system that includes sirens.

The non-siren alerts in the Texas floods were made in the very early morning, the first shortly after 1 a.m.

A Wall Street Journal headline over a report of the Texas floods reads: “Flooding Alerts Escalated as People Slept”.

The Gualoupe River reached flood level at 3am and peaked between 4 am and 4.30 am.

The Christchurch sirens are primarily to warn of tsunami, but the same danger exists, and parts of the city are subject to flood danger, and the warnings are to remain based on cellphones.

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/tsunami-warning-sirens-could-be-reduced
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July 8, 2025 4:10pm
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  Our phones are turned off at night time. Thankfully we aren’t getting rid of our sirens.
  
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  July 8, 2025 4:21pm
rouppe

Another climate catastrophe story.

They say the finding caught them off guard, and the sea ice around Antarctica could be in “terminal decline”.

1. Caught them off guard? I thought the science was settled.
2. Terminal decline. Again. How many times is this?
3. Ah, of course. That word again. “Could”.

European researchers, found evidence of a change which has shocked other researchers, and which could explain the region’s rapid loss of sea ice.

I just don’t know what to believe anymore. Some reports day antarctic sea ice is expanding, others say it is reducing. It’s no wonder people are losing interest.

Typically, as global heating melts the ice around Antarctica, climate scientists would expect saltier water at the surface of the ocean to be replaced by fresh water, because melting ice typically makes the ocean fresher.

But new satellite data shows the opposite is happening.

Then why doesn’t that happen in NZ fjords, where is been a fact since forever that there is a fresh water layer on top and you need to dive a meter or two to get to salt water.

Around 2015, surface salinity in the Southern Ocean began rising sharply – just as sea ice extent started to crash. This reversal was completely unexpected.

Completely unexpected. So since you obviously don’t know anything, why should we believe you about anything?

That will accelerate the melting of ice shelves and land-based ice, increasing the rate of sea level rise and pushing us closer to the irreversible loss of the West Antarctic ice sheet.

Hang on. Are we now talking about just the West Antarctic sheet, not the whole thing, as implied by previous statements that just said Antarctic sea ice? Tricky…

She said, although the paper didn’t explore why, “the authors will no doubt explore this in a longer paper sometime soon”.

I wonder if they’ll need more government funding for that? //

In order to secure a liveable future for ourselves and our children, it is imperative that we drastically reduce our reliance on fossil fuels.

I wonder if any analysis had been done on the fossil fuel usage with this research? Satellites need rockets. Those buoys will use a bunch of fossil fuel products. Ships? Conference flights?
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