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Yvette

Holy water?
Maori have a greater affinity for water – written into New Zealand law?

Is this another divergence more than the matter justifies – similar to the Supreme Court (itself) jumping “tikanga” on the nation’s law, when the basic issue was that Peter Ellis’ reputation was due lawful restoration because the Law had robbed that of him, and the further deterioration of Peter’s mana, or standing is again damaged with every reference to ‘his’ case. Likewise any Maori water lobby should not be in the tent pissing out, but do that along with any other group wanting to piss their submission in (from inter-dilution the River of Filth)

The human body is, on average, roughly 55-60% water. However, this percentage can vary significantly based on age and sex. Babies have the highest percentage of water, around 78%, which decreases to about 65% by the time they are one year old. Adult men typically have around 60% water, while adult women have about 55% due to differences in body composition (women tend to have more body fat, which contains less water).
before percentages are affected by hydration levels and overall health. What greater affinity does anyone have when the average person top up water usually every few hours to stay alive?

Is Tuwharetoa water falling as rain, not originated in Aborigine owned Australia, the Tasman sea, or mixes “con-tributaries” (Verboten) with Whanganui evaporation before it reaches mountain uplifts, and on exiting Lake Taupo becomes a Tainui / Waikato personage – before an ‘arm and a leg’ are taken for Auckland Water supply where it again mixes with several contributories?

The coalition Government was elected with a mandate to restore practical, science-based and cost-effective regulation. This means that the only option in their present deliberations over water is to go for Option 3 and scrap Te Mana o te Wai. The Government must also rein (sic) in Councils who are enabling a rentier culture to develop around the nation’s water resources. Ultimately, water is so essential as to be sacred to all of us. No single group in our society should be able to control it on cultural grounds, or derive income from it without adding value – John Raine [rain – I got that]
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/john-raine-holy-water

Maori have a greater affinity with water

• Higher Drowning Rates:  Māori experience higher drowning rates per capita than other ethnic groups, including New Zealand Europeans, Asians, and Pasifika.
• Overrepresentation in Fatalities: Māori account for a disproportionately large percentage of drowning fatalities, with some years seeing them represent over 30% of all drowning deaths, according to the NZ Herald.  • Māori Men at Higher Risk: Māori men are particularly at risk, with a high percentage of drowning deaths attributed to this demographic, according to the NZ Herald.  • Specific Activity Risks: Drowning incidents among Māori are spread across various activities, including swimming, boating, and diving.  • Cultural Factors: Drowning Prevention Auckland suggests that cultural factors, including strong ancestral connections to water, may play a role in the overrepresentation.  • Water Safety Initiatives: Various initiatives, like the Stay Afloat Stay Alive campaign, are in place to address the high Māori drowning rates

– respect to those for whom a rahui is put in place, but Te Mana o te Wai may not be one of the initiatives
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July 26, 2025 8:01am
- Conservatarian
  
  [Mod – just debate the topics]
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:49am
- pdm
  
  Yvette submissions close tomorrow – Sunday 27 July.
  
  The recommendation is to support Option 3.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:49am
  - Wandering Star
    
    Just save time and throw your submission in the bin yourself.
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:46am
- KH
  
  I a very concerned about water quality. Maori, less so, unless there is a dollar in it.
  
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  July 26, 2025 5:23pm
- kiwimike
  
  I submitted against Te Mana o te Wai……
  as it is just more Maori Apartheid.
  in the shape of their pagan spirituality to control us.
  
  I voted option 3 to remove it.
  today is the close
  
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  July 27, 2025 4:50pm
Cassandra

An Otaki marae member argues for the SH1 speed limit to be reduced to 80 kph: “Our pae taumata are constantly running out there, that is one of our tikanga to go and make sure that our manuhiri that are standing at the waharoa are safe.”

My advice to her is that communication means that the recipient understands what the speaker is saying. “A common understanding from a common perspective”.
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July 26, 2025 8:02am
- Philview
  
  I hear speeches in business circles now with phrases such as ‘across the motu’ and ‘our tamariki’. There appears to be a deliberate agenda to replace English nouns with their Maori equivalent. I do say I don’t mind Maoris speaking Te Reo, but the top down implementation on the rest of us grates.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:12am
  - kowtow
    
    It is literally woke virtue signalling.
    It is possibly also to keep the state off their backs or to keep in with the race hustlers , who they believe will be back in power in another election cycle or indeed with the mainstream of the National party who also now very publicly espouse “partnership”.
    
    But what it is is cynical symbolism that will make not a jot of difference to the lives of ordinary New Zealanders , but might make the sayer or image promoter happier about themselves
    
    Exhibit One ; official portrait of former ( Green) mayor of Dunedin who might well have needed a chest brace to support all that greenstone.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/new-era-official-portrait-aaron-hawkins-unveiled
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:18am
- igm
  
  Who gives a stuff, just get rid of the Chinese made insulting flags and all will be safe. The area is a disgrace and must be in breach of bylaws.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:13am
- G152
  
  Should we tell them about things like gates and fences…
  Or child supervision ???????????????
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:25am
  - R
    
    That would be interfering with their freedom of mana rights
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:37am
- KiWombat
  
  I just tried my translate function on this, and it still doesn’t make any sense to me !
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A direct translation probably won’t work for this.
    
    This is my interpretation of what Alice Miritana is saying:
    
    Our marae folk (pae taumata) are constantly running out there (to the edge of the road where visitors to the marae (manuhiri) gather before they are called onto the marae), that is one of our customs (tikanga) to go and make sure that our visitors (manuhiri ) that are standing at the entrance gateway (waharoa) are safe.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/567900/marae-along-dangerous-stretch-of-sh1-call-for-return-of-lower-speed-limit-following-death
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:35am
    - pdm
      
      Alice – who the f… is Alice?
      
      Is she a part Maori Lady with an English Christian name?
      
      Is she a part English Lady with a Maori surname?
      
      What standing does she have in the Horowhenua/Kapiti community?
      
      Have we heard of or from her previously?
      
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      July 26, 2025 9:45am
      - Quail
        
        PDM.
        Yes ,in Wonderland!
        
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        July 26, 2025 10:01am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Love the Smokie reference 👌 😄
        
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        July 26, 2025 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Read the RNZ article and you’ll see she is a local who has observed numerous traffic accidents along this stretch of SH1.
        
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        July 26, 2025 10:28am
      - mogg
        
        ‘For twenty four years I lived next door to Alice,
        We grew up together two kids in the park’
        
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        July 26, 2025 10:47am
    - rouppe
      
      When did it suddenly become a dangerous stretch of sh1. It’s been like that for 100 years
      
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      July 26, 2025 10:14am
      - kowtow
        
        Didn’t Robertson give 10’s of millions away to do these places up , surely a fence or two could have been erected if the danger was so great .
        
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        July 26, 2025 11:44am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        No worries, the National Government will save them. A start on the Otaki to Levin section of the SH1 expressway is scheduled to begin in the next 12 months. Once built, the existing SH1 will become a local road and, judging by earlier sections of the new motorway, will see a massive drop off in passing traffic.
        
        All together now: “Thank you, National!”.
        
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        July 26, 2025 1:25pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Move the gate maybe?
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Cass, BP sell good paes.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:07am
  - Colville
    
    Feck off! A BP maggot pack is a meal of absolute last resort!!
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:39pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You haven’t tasted a “rat sack” until you’ve experienced Australian pies. Very hard to find anything there but gravy slop with a few bits of mashed up guts thrown in.
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:43pm
- artemisia
  
  Tukorehe and Wehiwehi – 15 minutes of activist fame. Tukorehe x 3 as also recently flags and opposing a nearby world class golf course.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:09am
- lastmanstanding
  
  One of the major problems with this country is too many of its citizens at all levels are stuck in a time warp. They cant let go of the past. They look in the rear view mirror rather than out the windscreen. They are trying to re-ligiate history a self defeating task.
  Its time we had a binding referendum on whether we continue as we are or whether we park the problem and move on. Your thoughts?
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:21am
  - Quail
    
    Yes. LMS
    Something along the lines of the ACT treaty principles bill would suffice,
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:05am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “One of the major problems with this country is too many of its citizens at all levels are stuck in a time warp. They cant let go of the past. They look in the rear view mirror rather than out the windscreen. They are trying to re-ligiate history a self defeating task.”
    
    Excellent. You’ve just solved the Palestine question. About time, too.
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:48am
- Conservatarian
  
  Does this mean that even “traditional” Maori (sufficiently engaged with their own culture such that they spend time at their marae) can’t control their children from running on the road? Such that they need the government to intervene with a speed limit reduction?
  
  [Mod – drop the racism]
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you know this section of the road it is dangerous and has always had a bad reputation.
    
    (Admittedly I haven’t driven on it for at least 11 years, but drove (or was driven) along this stretch numerous times for over40 years).
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:35am
    - igm
      
      I drive that road frequently and the only thing worse is the pointless racist flags in various states of dilapidation affecting concentration. Surely they must be illegal in their current positions.
      
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      July 26, 2025 11:52am
  - Ghost
    
    Children run out on roads, it’s not a maori thing.
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:49am
    - Conservatarian
      
      The rate of Maori children dying in *general* traffic accidents is three times higher than other races:.
      
      https://ehinz.ac.nz/publications/news/latest-news/maori-children-had-traffic-injury-mortality-rates-which-were-three-times-higher-than-those-of-children-of-other-ethnicities/
      
      The study is via Massey University which, as we all know, takes taxpayer funding to publish “Maoris most affected” studies to argue for more funding / more regulation.
      
      In my view it is entirely reasonable to assume therefore that deaths from children “running out on the road” would show a similar pattern.
      
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      July 26, 2025 12:37pm
  - Skottowe
    
    Moderator: what people think and say (and write) isn’t racism. I read the above comment, and there’s nothing exceptionable about it. [Mod – that is because that part of thr comment was deleted before the rest of the post was allowed]
    
    Racism is what governments do, by way of legislation etc which either privileges or discriminates against, distinct societal groups. NZ isn’t a racist society, except for the Maori electorate, which is indisputably racist. I’m an old lefty, and a campaigner against apartheid, back in the day. I know apartheid when I see it, and that description fits the Maori electorate.
    
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    July 26, 2025 11:22am
  - artemisia
    
    They are talking about visitors waiting outside the gates to be formally welcomed on. Not an everyday occurrence by any means but often enough for the marae to actually come up with a solution if they are so concerned. A sally port arrangement for example.
    
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    July 26, 2025 11:31am
    - Ghost
      
      already happens around the country. Speed limits drop around schools at drop off and pick up time.
      
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      July 26, 2025 11:35am
      - artemisia
        
        In the case cited could be an hour a month with visitors at the gate waiting. They are asking for a different speed limit, like all the time.
        
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        July 26, 2025 12:50pm
      - Ghost
        
        They are asking for the speed limit to be returned to what it was on a dangerous piece of road.
        
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        July 26, 2025 1:08pm
    - pdm
      
      At Te Hauke Marae in HB for years they have put out warning signs when there is a lot of activity happening.
      
      Cars parked on both sides of the road (SH2) over half a mile both sides of the Marae are also good indicators for drivers to slow down and take care.
      
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      July 26, 2025 12:31pm
- NeonTeepee
  
  When did Maori start worrying about kids?
  
  They usually get more outraged by the order of text on a passport than they do about kids being killed.
  
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  July 27, 2025 4:14pm
Cassandra

Kevin Donnelly argues that multiculturalism in Australia and elsewhere has failed: “For any nation to survive and prosper history tells us there must be a strong sense of national pride, cohesion and stability. The increasing scourge of antisemitism and the hatred directed at Western culture proves there is an enemy within, and the nation is at risk.”

NZA doesn’t have that problem, at least not to the same extent. Our problem is that the culture of a distinct minority has been promoted to supremacy. At least putting the A below NZ on passports is a start. Now NZA?
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July 26, 2025 8:04am
- Mike
  
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  Would his preference for a monoculture and ‘national pride, cohesion and stability’ not logically exclude Jews?
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:09am
  - Cassandra
    
    Why? Oz has no State religion. And it has a large, well integrated Jewish community. Who regard themselves as Australians. Try again, mike.
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:50am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Please stop pretending that to be Jewish is to be religious. They can be, but they are just as Jewish if they are not. It’s an ethnicity steeped in blood and (the establishment of) soil. This proposition is the pretext for founding the state of Israel – if you deny this, are Jews somehow confused on this point?
      
      Judaism the religion is a doctrine specifically designed to promote ethnic solidarity first and foremost, the latter being prior to the former.
      
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      July 26, 2025 10:56am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “Would his preference for a monoculture and ‘national pride, cohesion and stability’ not logically exclude Jews?”
    
    Not to worry. If it does, they’ve always got Israel which is definitionally grounded in monocultural national pride, cohesion and (therefore) stability. In theory, anyway. It turns out the natives object.
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:51am
    - gravedodger
      
      “not logically exclude Jews?”
      And bagpipe wielding Scots?
      And didgeridoo wielding first peoples of Australia”
      Footballers?
      Canucks carrying axes?
      Lets see who else?
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:10pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      The natives object? Jews are natives WS.
      
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      July 26, 2025 6:06pm
- David Garrett
  
  Cass: Quite. As i have said here many times, I dont think Maori radicalism is a major problem: very few Maori support the racist TPM
  
  But Muslims are another problem altogether – the only reason we haven’t had “trouble” with them of the kind that has happened in Oz is there aren’t yet enough of them here. Yet. It’s coming as sure as the sun will set tonight.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    DG
    
    Serious question.
    
    Do you not think that the likes of our Supreme Court introducing Maori “concepts of law” into our legal system not a problem ?
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:20am
    - David Garrett
      
      kowtow: Oh Yes, the Supreme Court taking upon itself law making powers rather than applying the law as written is a huge problem! And it will remain so for the foreseeable. Governments come and go – the Judges are there until they retire.
      
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      July 26, 2025 10:46am
      - kowtow
        
        Yes , to my simple mind this represents a very dangerous trend and indeed as others have said is a kind of constitutional crisis .
        
        I find it extraordinary that our msm will go on about similar issues in the UK , USA and even Israel but when it comes to our domestic constitutional issues ,well relatively nothing, as they are in full support of this subversion of parliament and democratic principles.
        
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        July 26, 2025 10:52am
      - Paulus
        
        And could we look at who and when promoted these Supreme Court Judges.
        All was fixed by age and seniourity many years ago, wasn’t it Helen.
        
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        July 26, 2025 2:26pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    David, banging on and on about YOUR OPINION. Is approaching boring.
    There are many countries with significant Muslim populations that are do not harbour terrorists/gangsters as you allude to.
    
    Havent read about Muslim gangs in Russia or Singapore recently.
    According to your rants. There should be go/no go areas for police there.
    But as you seem to be unable to look at facts.
    Try this listing.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-population-by-country
    
    Standing by for your attempt to twist some facts.
    Keep smiling.
    
    Another warm Sunny day in the Kingdom of Wonder. Even tho some soldier boys are playing with their toys about 2 hours drive from where I sit.
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:32pm
    - Keith White
      
      Have you entirely forgotten about the Muslim Chechens and the Beslan school and Moscow concert hall atrocities?
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:35pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        This was Muslims working for!!!
        
        The hostage-takers were members of the Riyad-us Saliheen, sent by the Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, who demanded Russia withdraw from and recognize the independence of Chechnya.
        
        Hardly a Muslim inspired terrorist organisation.(Ie kill non believers) But some Muslims committed to free Chechnya
        
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        July 26, 2025 9:28pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Note I said recently. That attack was 21 years ago.
        
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        July 26, 2025 9:35pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        The Moscow Hall killings were not local Muslims trying to kill non believers. (Like Pom Muslims bombing buses/trains or Boston Marathon Bombers)
        
        The Islamic State – Khorasan Province (ISKP or ISIS–K)[a] is a regional branch of the Salafi jihadist group Islamic State (IS) active in Central and South Asia, primarily Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. ISIS–K seeks to destabilize and replace current governments within the historic Khorasan region with the goal of establishing a caliphate
        
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        July 26, 2025 9:39pm
- PurplePen
  
  As with all things it’s likely the extremes are never the right place to be. Extreme multiculture is likely not good as might be extreme monoculture – whatever that might be. We’re supposed to say or believe multiculture good, monoculture bad. But is a monoculture actually bad? It might be considered a bit dull but surely not bad. In a way even in a multiculture some groups actually live in a monoculture which we call a community.
  
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  July 26, 2025 3:32pm
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360770049/new-zealand-rugby-backs-black-fern-katelyn-vahaakolo-over-land-back-tattoo

A clear case of brainwashing.

https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/katelyn-vahaakolo

“The daughter of pastors Edward and Sarah, Vaha’akolo grew up in Auckland. She identifies with Ngāti Whatua, Ngā Puhi and Maniapoto iwi and Tongan village, Nuku’alofa.”

So, she has no maori ancestry but “identifies” with 3 tribes !

What crap.
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July 26, 2025 8:04am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I wonder how NZ Rugby would react to a tattoo that read “Kiwi not iwi”.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:30am
  - Colville
    
    A player with that tat wouldnt make it out of the sheds onto the park.
    Have you been to a rep rugby game lately? There aint many white faces there.
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:42pm
- Cassandra
  
  Perhaps she knows someone in each of those tribes? Might be a way round the whole problem. We all identify with a tribe, bingo, we are “one people”. I think this multi tribe stuff is a bit of a nonsense.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:38am
- RichardF
  
  When I saw it on tv, I thought it was her shopping list.
  
  Colonisation is not well understood. You’d think from reading current literature – sorry, I mean main stream media, that only brown ‘indigenous’ people have been ‘victims’ of colonisation. I could get a “land back” tattoo on my hand for the suffering and loss my English ancestors experienced. Young Katelyn probably hasn’t heard of the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, or the Norman’s and William the Bastard. History is littered with colonised people. Most of the descendants have moved on, although sadly many haven’t and they play the grievance game today and get ridiculous tattoos about things they have no understanding of.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Understanding ‘colonisation’.
    
    Funny innit , she uses the colonisers language , sport and communications to get her message across . Strikes me as lacking ‘authenticity’.
    
    It’s like all these so called Palestine protests in non English speaking parts of the world where they use English language banners when targetting Israeli tourists (latest was in Greece) .
    Clearly it’s simply a mass marketing ploy to elicite sympathy , for their latest far left extremist cause , from the relatively wealthy descendants of the very settler colonial oppresors they villify in the US , Canada and the UK.
    They don’t care about the oppressed anywhere , they are using these situations seeking to cause chaos , doubt , division and in their little brains , revolution in the west.
    
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    July 26, 2025 1:58pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I find it highly ironic that recent immigrants, from many places around the world, don’t see that it is them that are now colonising indigenous NZers with their political activism.
  
  The Head of Acting at the NZ Performing Arts school – Toi Whakari (apologies if spelled wrong) – in Wellington is the son of a Kiwi of European descent and a Tongan immigrant. He proudly tells the young people applying to that school that they are decolonising the school. He promotes his Tongan dna on his public profile and holds the belief that his culture should assert itself over traditional NZ culture. This results in kiwis of European descent getting less opportunities – well below the proportion in the population or performing arts community.
  
  This isn’t just the domain of Polynesian immigrants. There are many similar examples of recent immigrants from Europe adopting Māori wonderfulness colonisation of traditional kiwi people of all ethnicities. Lots of these people asserting their religious fervour for this in the school system for instance.
  
  I actually feel very angry that we have invited guests into our house that are stepping all over us.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:17am
  - Mike
    
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    Kiwis of European descent getting less opportunities
    
    Bullshit
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:21am
    - David Garrett
      
      No, you are quite right Mikey; it should be fewer opportunities, not less.
      
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      July 26, 2025 11:56am
      - pdm
        
        Worth half a dozen upticks DG
        
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        July 26, 2025 12:42pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      I guess you would say the education system is not overly feminised and failing boys. I guess you would call bullshit on the statement that Māori are overrepresented in parliament.
      
      Don’t let the facts get in the way of an ideological worldview Mike.
      
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      July 26, 2025 6:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Have head that this cross pollination between Islanders and Maori is becoming more prominent as the Islanders can claim any Maori special dues, goodies and settlements.
  Will increase in South Auckland as Islanders see the advantage of calling themselves Maori as well.
  Why do we have an Maori All Blacks as we have no Maori ?
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:26am
- MCōs
  
  She’s Tongan, but she identifies with her Maori Maori mates in much the same way as, for example JFK identified with the people of Berlin and numerous people have identified with Ukraine or Israel even if they have no blood connections to these places
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:49am
  - Ghost
    
    If she says she has connection to two tribes, then who are we to deny that. Does anyone on here actually have concrete evidence that says she doesn’t.
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:59am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Is what people “identify as” in terms of ancient history relevant at all?
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:50pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Kind of agree, it really should have nothing to do with the rest of us.
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:54pm
      - kowtow
        
        That being the case the media should stop reporting it as relevant. Yet another “progressive” fad rammed down our necks.
        
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        July 26, 2025 7:33pm
  - Skottowe
    
    “…JFK identified with the people of Berlin…”
    
    Actually, JFK identified as a doughnut (ein Berliner is a doughnut), but the local citizens were too polite to point it out.
    
    She’s Tongan, and she wants land returned? Is she having a crack at the Tongan royalty? Maybe she should be cautious about that.
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:38pm
- rouppe
  
  Tattoo? I thought it was marker pen
  
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  July 26, 2025 10:20am
- Swifty
  
  She’s Tongan and complains about New Zealand land Maori legally sold to Europeans – but not a squeak about the Tongan Monarch having exclusive rights to and ownership of all the land in Tonga, depriving the Tongan people.
  
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  July 26, 2025 10:21am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s because, tough wahine toa though she is, she can’t handle the jandal.
    
    It’s quite alright to diss pakeha culture, but no way is she brave enough to challenge Tongan culture.
    
    There’s a word that describes that situation that eludes me just now.
    
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    July 26, 2025 1:31pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, ‘whites’ in NZ and our history are easy targets and with no repercussions.
      
      To criticise the Tongan king and Tongan customs, history and law would entail real risk and potential sacrifice, that’s why she doesn’t go there.
      
      That’s off limits for fear of social ostracism and being thrown in the clink on her next visit.
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:55pm
Flossie

Co-leader of the Greens Ms Packer could do well to take a leaf out of the book of Australian Senator Jacinta Price (can’t spell the aboriginal name she has in the middle). She says they are all one people…all Australians and should stand together under one flag. Her father is white and her mother black and she doesn’t preference one over the other.
I love her attitude.
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July 26, 2025 8:29am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I assume you’re talking about Debs Ngarewa-Packer? I think you’ll find she’s co-leader of TMP, not the Rainbow Party.
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:32am
  - leoj
    
    Easy to confuse the two parties.
    
    Both are full of weirdos, crazies and freaks.
    
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    July 26, 2025 11:18am
- John Loveridge
  
  Ms Packer is a co-leader of TPM, Flossie. More coffee?
  
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  July 26, 2025 8:45am
  - Flossie
    
    Mea culpa! Definitely insufficient coffee!
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:38am
- MCōs
  
  Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
  All her names should stand together
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘All her names should stand together’
    
    Why
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:22am
- gravedodger
  
  Nampijinpa, flossie
  
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  July 26, 2025 10:27am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I believe she herself is not at all precious about this kind of stuff.
    
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    July 26, 2025 5:51pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s not often I agree with Debbie NP, but on this occasion I do.

“Our passport is not just a travel document, it’s a statement of who we are as a nation”.

Of course, we part company shortly thereafter.
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July 26, 2025 8:30am
- pdm
  
  Debbie sure knows how to use her New Zealand passport to maximum personal benefit – even when Parliament is sitting and she should be in attendance.
  
  Who pays is therefore the relevant question and one she always refuses to answer.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:57am
I remember when

Are the press starting to change their approach.
Today’s Manawatu Standard and The Post.
“Anatomy of a flood.”
The motueka catchment suffered the equal-largest deluge in its post-settlement history. Then came another storm.”
So when was the previous deluge?
Apparently it was in 1877.
What was the CO2 ppm at the time.
According to ice core analysis 288.9 , so a once in 150 year deluge.
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July 26, 2025 8:49am
NeverMindTheBollocks

At $7,000 for water services, I’d be tempted to get a water barrel and a septic tank.

http://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360770937/hawkes-bay-council-warns-water-reforms-could-cost-households-7000-year

May be paywalled
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July 26, 2025 8:51am
David Garrett

I recently read an old column by Jeremy Clarkson of Top gear fame. While he was writing about ethnic ghettoes in Britain, he points out that multiculturalism is doomed to fail, and furthermore it is contrary to nature.
He points out that starlings and every other species of bird flock together: You never see a flock of birds consisting of starlings and sparrows, or blackbirds and starlings.
You see the same thing on land: wildebeasts herd together; not mixed up with antelopes or rhinos.
I think he makes an excellent point
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July 26, 2025 8:51am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I disagree. Muslims are not a race. They are a religion started by an evil warlord and paedophile.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:02am
  - David Garrett
    
    Chuck: Yes they are a religion not a race – although more than a few NZ judges dont seem to understand that difference.
    But religion or race makes no difference: As the old truism goes, “birds of a feather flock together”.
    Ghettoes of Muslims are no different from ghettoes of Pakistanis
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:09am
    - Keith White
      
      Venn diagram of those two shows major overlap.
      
      Over 96.5% of Pakistan’s population identifies as Muslim. Pakistan is the second-largest Muslim-majority country in the world.
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:39pm
  - kiwimike
    
    sorry, they are not a religion Chuck, they are an ideology according to Ayaan Ali
    
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    July 27, 2025 5:03pm
- Cassandra
  
  “Birds of a feather flock together “. Note the segregation in the Middle East: Moslem villages, Druze villages, Christian – even down to seperate villages for different branches of the same religion. I suppose tribal maraes are a form of this, although iwi and hapu seem to intermarry. Not that marriage is all that common amongst Maori these days.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Tell that to the Druze in Syria who are being decimated currently.
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:28am
    - kowtow
      
      Interestingly the current stoush there started as a Bedouin v Druze criminal extortion exercise .
      
      And co incidentally another Bedouin , from Gaza , has had an Opinion piece published in the latest WSJ.
      Yasser Abu Shabab.No love lost between him and Hamas . With Israeli assistance his group , The Palestinian Forces , are resisting Hamas and imposing some sort of order in the area they control , eastern Rafah .He claims.
      
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      July 26, 2025 11:06am
- RichardF
  
  Hi David, I have a book called Londinistan, by Melanie Phillips. It was written in 2008 and sadly all the warnings have been ignored by the establishment. In fact, they are to blame.
  
  I just opened it to a random page and it talks about islamists protesting cartoons of Mohammed outside the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge in Feb 2006, waving placards calling for “death to those who slander Islam”, celebrating the ‘fantastic four’ (who carried out the London bombings in 05), the magnificent 19 (9/11), “Europe will fall” etc…there was even a protestor dressed as a suicide Bomber.
  
  She said “not only was open incitement to murder allowed to go on, but Police were more concerned with people who objected to the violent rhetoric” and held back Brits who tried to disrupt the protest. Months later, some of the islamists were arrested after a backlash, including from moderate Muslims.
  
  She continues.. ” the British public was increasingly appalled by the feebleness of its rulers who have allowed the steady encroachment of radical Islam into Britain”.
  
  That was written nearly 20 years ago. And it’s gotten worse.
  
  I did my OE before this period and returned to NZ not long after 7/7. I’m glad I experienced it then and not now.
  
  Our ‘leaders’ have failed us, all in the name of tolerance and diversity.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes, I read it at the time and somewhat like Enoch Powell much is coming true.
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:30pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Jeremy Clarkson might make a better PM than any of the recent occupants of 10 Downing Street (a low bar, admittedly), as he’s actually prepared to speak up for Britain. But he’s not entirely right when he says different types of birds don’t flock together. Here’s just one study of the phenomenon of mixed-species flocks: https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2307/1942443
  And mixed species nesting colonies are common. For example, I’ve seen three different species of shags/cormorants nesting in the same colony; and at Sulphur Point in Rotorua you can find three species of gull nesting together, plus a few pairs of Caspian terns.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:40am
  - Grumpy Silver Top
    
    Splitting straws PPII. I’ve yet to see a metaphor that couldn’t be downplayed, with determination.
    
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    July 26, 2025 12:05pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    So, interpreting the analogy of His Holiness, three species of gull could align with the English, the Irish and the Welsh, all settling in NZ.
    
    The Caspian terns are the Chinese or the Indians who came to NZ 150 years ago. A bit of variety, but not enough to upturn the local order.
    
    If however, a large number of skuas or fulmars barged their way into the nesting ground, more than feathers would fly.
    
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    July 26, 2025 1:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Starlings and sparrows belong to completely different genera and families of birds.
  
  It’s a bit like trying to equate humans with other primates (the taxonomic Order to which we belong) such as lemurs, lorises, monkeys, orangutans and gibbons.
  
  Races/ varieties of modern human all belong to the same one species…and since they evolved they’ve all seemed to have indulged in a bit of gene interchange.
  
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  July 26, 2025 10:19am
  - Mike
    
    Yes, definitely a stupid argument from Clarkson. No surprises there.
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:44am
    - Grumpy Silver Top
      
      Yeah, Nah, not stupid.
      
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      July 26, 2025 12:06pm
    - Albie
      
      Mike, your comment clearly states that you are not a fan of Jeremy Clarkson. That’s fine, each to his own.
      I often find his observations on life insightful, witty and most of the time downright hilarious.
      Perhaps the fact that he is a conservative grinds your gears?
      The right have seemed to have maintained a sense of humour, not so the left these days it seems.
      
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      July 26, 2025 1:45pm
      - Gary Benner
        
        Albie, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Clarkson is a genius, but forthright and blunt. Not a diplomat, but states the obvious without shame. Again Mike imitating King Kanute as to Nature, and its order. Go Jeremy. BTW have you seen his latest Ads for his Hawkestone Beer? All banned from TV, but all over social media. As I said, he is a genius.
        
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        July 26, 2025 2:33pm
      - kowtow
        
        Albie
        
        Seriously, don’t waste your time engaging with him. He’s not interested .
        
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        July 26, 2025 3:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        GB
        
        Thanks for directing me to the beers ads . Great stuff , but i can see why the ‘fuck me it’s good” one doesn’t get a pass.
        
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        July 26, 2025 3:21pm
      - pdm
        
        Albie – Clarkson was awful though when he fronted Who Wants To Be A Millionaire a few years ago.
        
        It just wasn’t his go and I thought the harder he tried the worse he got.
        
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        July 26, 2025 5:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The ROP is incompatible with western civilization. Clark is obviously right on that. Only the delusional and willfully obtuse refuse to look at the overwhelming evidence for it.
      
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      July 26, 2025 5:56pm
  - gravedodger
    
    One of Natures wonders is a flock of starlings indulging in aerial Ballet at dusk?
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    Blackbirds are part of the Thrush Family – plenty of them but few Thrush in recent years.
    All lovely to hear, feed and see.
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:33pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Oh dear DG, never been to Singapore then?
  Or Malaysia and many many others. Try Canada?
  
  https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-population-by-country
  Multicultural. Countries exist everywhere and dont suffer the Pommy Problem.
  
  Perhaps it is piss poor politicians that cause the problem by pandering to minorities? EG Pakistani rape gangs.
  
  (PPPP- Piss poor Politicians pandering – just like in NZ)
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:47pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I agree it’s primarily a problem of poor government. The Ottoman Empire was also multicultural, and stable for several centuries – but the catch is, it was very clear who was in charge.
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:57am
Yvette

Beside this morning’s kiwiblog page is an ad for TIRA, Tū Kotahi.

TIRA, Tū Kotahi is leading cultural change in Aotearoa, assisting organisations and groups to connect with te ao Māori. We will show you how to use te reo, tikanga (cultural practices) and Māori worldviews to establish workplace culture built on the unique dimensions that te ao Māori can provide. – see what we can do for your brand!

I have several times wondered who is churning out all the cultural misappropriation so many entities have presented to us, suggesting the authority of, or just normalising, te Ao o Maori – the Maori religious or spiritual worldview – from the 200 or so page Maori translation which doubled the size of the Climate Commission’s voluminous volume: Now Is The Time, to the “tikanga” Fire and Emergency New Zealand now needs to put out fires or attend car smashes.

I guess the placement of ads may go by page content – but if so, it may be regardless of the opinion expressed. That will doubtless change with AI deciding which opinions are anti and deserve a Trojan hores, or an ally, so that is still all of them! – but if I have attracted the present accompanying ad, do not feel wounded, but rather wiser: it is time all this stuff is transparent and in the ideals of “tikanga”: honest.
https://www.tira.maori.nz/?

Oh, the ad has now transmutated into…If you’ve struggled with bunions, toe misalignment, or foot pain for years, read this article immediately before doing anything else. which may get a more sympathic reception here :o)
Merde! – it is back again
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July 26, 2025 8:57am
- Ra Henare
  
  Yvette.
  Change to Brave Browser.
  No adverts next to Kiwiblog
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:49pm
David Garrett

We have all – particularly the young – been indoctrinated with the idea that mulitculturalism and d “diversity” are both wonderful and desirable.
Experience in every Western country clearly demonstrates that this is simply not so.
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July 26, 2025 9:02am
- Cassandra
  
  Absolutely DG. This was the point Enoch Powell was making. The result in Europe is ghettos.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:06am
  - David Garrett
    
    Cass: Yes…the only thing Powell got wrong was the source of the threat: he perceived communities of West Indians as posing a threat to the British way of life.
    While there were problems with West Indians in the past, nowadays – although they live in distinct and different communities, so far as I am aware they dont cause major problems.
    Ghettoes of Muslims on the other hand…
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:23am
    - Cassandra
      
      Indeed. Actually West Indians – the Windrush generation – have assimilated quite well.
      
      Trump on his way to Scotland right now: “You (the UK and Europe) better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore.
      “You’ve got to stop this horrible invasion that is happening to Europe, many countries in Europe.”
      
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      July 26, 2025 9:30am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Then you need to learn the “Drill” rap subculture in the UK, particularly London. It is an [unlistenable] music style dominated by gang culture, the gangs being composed of black kids descended from the Caribbean who run around stabbing and shooting and boasting about it in lyrics to the songs.
      
      Further, the Notting Hill carnival is an annual celebration of West Indian culture that routinely features a dozen stabbings.
      
      I guess they’re not stabbing actual English people, only fellow yardies. But the West Indians don’t cover themselves in glory in the UK. They have huge problems with crime and absent fathers and welfare queens.
      
      The recently arrived Nigerians and similar West Africans (who are largely practising Christians with intact families) are by far the best performing black group in the UK. Their kids tend to outperform white working class boys.
      
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      July 26, 2025 9:46am
      - kowtow
        
        Top Met man ;
        
        ‘The head of the Metropolitan police has said it is “shameful” that black boys in London are more likely to be dead by 18 than white boys.’
        
        What Top Plod and msm don’t report is the who and why.
        This is bound to be black on black violence .Why can’t that be discussed .
        
        And the fact they refuse to address it is most eloquent .
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/13/shameful-that-black-boys-london-more-likely-die-by-18-met-chief-mark-rowley
        
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        July 26, 2025 12:16pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The result is the breakdown of nationalism. Who prospers from the weakening of national identity? Globalists – businesses, the super rich and the political elite that want to run the global systems of power.
    
    They will justify their lust for power and money on the basis that it makes the world safer – no more wars between nations.
    
    It is inevitable that we will have a global government.
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    It was a truly prescient speech . Well worth reading in full.
    If only they’d listened .
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:36am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Sure was kowtow,
      They labelled him a racist because they had no counterargument.
      Same today, if not worse, mention or criticise a group of people and you get labelled a racist or a bigot.
      
      As an aside, another impressive quality of Powells was his precise use of the English language. Ambiguity was anathema to him and his like, they expressed themselves with accuracy and conciseness that is rare today.
      
      Saying that, the attempts by some to “interpret” the Treaty are no more than attempts to rewrite it. It was written by people of the literary calibre of Powell.
      
      The Treaty simply means what it says. It is a legal document, not a bloody poem.
      
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      July 26, 2025 11:13am
- Paulus
  
  I see the young Maori women who are going on to further education, as those who believe radically in their own omnipotence, whereas the youngMaori so called men, will just continue to get pissed and continue all they know.
  Gonna be a bang in some 10 years as these so called well educated young women cannot find a job that they expect with their Maori tikanga wisdom.
  Asians who numerically are already greater than Maori will increase exponentially and will get the jobs as they will have no Maori hangups for employers.
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s why the Race Rentier Class vote lab/green/mao.
    
    To create and maintain a huge bureaucracy .
    
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    July 26, 2025 9:39am
Inandout

What is happening in old blighty is an example of a nation being destroyed before our eyes. Much of the UK is a powder keg and they have a PM who actually appears to be facilitating this rage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kG0CQv72dI
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July 26, 2025 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of Enoch , 1968.
  
  “Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be
  mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants,
  who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended
  population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So
  insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of
  founding a family with spouses and fiancés whom they have never seen. “
  
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  July 26, 2025 9:42am
  - Mike
    
    LOL. Enoch Powell decrying arranged marriages?
    
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    July 26, 2025 10:45am
  - Conservatarian
    
    I remember the massive boost in GDP that English technocrats achieved by importing Somalians (in London, 72% of Somalians live in council / state housing)
    
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    July 26, 2025 1:00pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    For those who have no idea who Enoch Powell was I recommend
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell
    
    He was a bright young lad who read prodigiously and ended up speaking a number of languages including Greek, Latin, Urdu, Welsh and Portuguese
    Was a classics professor in Australia (studying Greek, latin etc) before returning to join the British Army as a Private, rising to Brigadier by wars end.
    
    This man was no slouch in the brains and perceptions department.
    
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    July 26, 2025 3:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      He was literally a genius .
      
      And prior to that speech was treated with respect , admiration and was a regular on the BBC I think radio doing shows about parliament / constitution etc
      
      Just goes to show how the Establishment can and will “unperson” you if you go against the current .
      
      Much of his speech was actually in line with the Conservative Party policy of the day and yet it was the Conservative Party that dropped him , not working class Britain who really apppreciated it.
      
      But then the Cons have been at the centre of Britain’s not so well managed decline ever since . And now face political extinction .
      
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      July 26, 2025 3:52pm
Scott

I want to post another bit of good news. My argument is that we on the centre right have become so used to losing that we don’t know to react to a win?

If Labour was in power we would have full trans, full Maori wonderfulness and full pride month every month. Now we don’t.

Winston Peters is going great guns right now. He’s instructed NZ diplomats to stop posting about pride month on social media. Along with the – no other flags except the NZ flag on our govt buildings – this is a great move for centre right commonsense.

https://www.facebook.com/share/14KiMjQsLN6/
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July 26, 2025 9:44am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He also changed the rules so men who claim to be women can compete against real women.
  
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  July 26, 2025 10:12am
  - Scott
    
    Chuck Bird – read what you have posted. Did you mean to say that? 🤔
    
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    July 26, 2025 5:48pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Chuck – surely you missed the ‘t on your word can?
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:06am
- leoj
  
  Winston also gave us Jacinda.
  
  Never forget that.
  
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  July 26, 2025 11:24am
  - kowtow
    
    And the oil and gas ban .
    
    How 2 i/c Jones and heir apparent can get away with all his blather now on reversing that is , well , very NZFirstish.
    
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    July 26, 2025 12:20pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Get a grip. Leoj & Kowtow.
      
      He put Jacinda in power, thinking he could be her puppet master. (however she out manoeuvred him!!)
      He certainly did NOT give us the Captains call on oil & Gas.
      
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      July 26, 2025 3:03pm
      - kowtow
        
        Did .And happily, gloatingly declared capitalism dead. To show how “comradely” he was with the other socialists he put into power.
        
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        July 26, 2025 5:04pm
      - pdm
        
        Ra he can’t be much chop if he got out manoeuvred by Jacinda.
        
        Did she give him `The Bums Rush’ when Covid arrived or did Winston duck for cover so he could avoid any responsibility for decisions made?
        
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        July 26, 2025 5:45pm
  - Scott
    
    leoj – in Winston’s favour he didn’t know what jacinda would be like. National had done everything they could to alienate Winston. At the time it was thought Labour would be a normal government. Who could know they would be the socialist control freaks they turned out to be?
    
    Regarding Winston’s past I advise people to build a bridge and get over it. He’s doing good work now. Through NZ First and Act the centre right is winning.
    
    We are winning people. Without Winston we’d still have a Labour govt! Oh the horror!! 🙁
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:43pm
    - leoj
      
      Nice try Scott but Winnie’s actions still cost the country BIG TIME.
      
      I will not forget and get over it.
      
      What I will do is vote ACT and implore everyone else to vote ACT. That is our only way forward.
      
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      July 26, 2025 3:47pm
      - Scott
        
        What’s done is done. Build a bridge and get over it. Winston and Shane Jones and NZ First generally are doing well. Don’t hold on to the past. Forgive and forget.
        
        The coalition is doing well. Enjoy the present. The centre right is winning. Take the win! 😎
        
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        July 26, 2025 5:46pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The way I see it, the problem was Labour voters. If they had instead voted NZF Labour could have been kept on a short leash. But the grifters and you-go-girl cultists rushed to elect a lightweight socialist. The other problem was National FAILING to do a deal with Winston.
      
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      July 26, 2025 6:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    No, the voters gave you Jacinda and Winston. It was obvious Winston would not go with national. He was attacking Paula in the campaign and blaming her for releasing his pension details. He hated bill. If you voted for Winston thinking he would go with national then you were not paying attention
    
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    July 26, 2025 4:02pm
emmess

I don’t want to say for sure.
But it appears to me as if the BBC is using AI generated images of starving children in Gaza.

There is a image second down on their main page
https://www.bbc.com/news

Here is an archive of the page
https://web.archive.org/web/20250725110410/https://www.bbc.com/news

It’s from here
https://www.instagram.com/p/DMaxLVWtfdd/?img_index=7

What do you guys think?
Does it appear to be AI?
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- Wandering Star
  
  Good point. Is that an AI photo? Who knows. But if it is, we’ve shown that that photo is AI generated. OK. I’m not sure how that would debunk the idea of tens or hundreds of thousand starving Gazans.
  
  But more generally, there’s a lot of AI technology being deployed in Gaza. For example, tens of thousands of assassinations are being prosecuted by the Israelis at lightning speed in a matter of minutes using kill lists produced by Palantir AI software:
  
  “Now, with Israel’s ongoing war in Gaza, critical information from NSA continues to be used by Unit 8200, according to a number of sources, to target tens of thousands of Palestinians for death—often with US-supplied 2,000-pound bombs and other weapons. And it is extremely powerful data-mining software, such as that from Palantir, that helps the IDF to select targets. While the company does not disclose operational details, some indications of the power and speed of its AI can be understood by examining its activities on behalf of another client at war: Ukraine. Palantir is “responsible for most of the targeting in Ukraine,” according to Karp. “From the moment the algorithms set to work detecting their targets [i.e., people] until these targets are prosecuted [i.e., killed]—a term of art in the field—no more than two or three minutes elapse,” noted Bruno Macaes, a former senior Portuguese official who was given a tour of Palantir’s London headquarters last year. “In the old world, the process might take six hours.””
  
  https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticias/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/
  
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  July 26, 2025 11:52am
- Ghost
  
  There are several photos of that child that were released, along with many other children
  
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  July 26, 2025 12:10pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, some of them haves popped up over the years from the famine in Ethiopia, the ethnic starving in Sudan etc.
    I think much of it is false – starving babies & children, but healthy parents and able bodied young men carrying a 50 kg. bad of rice or whatever.
    You will know, also, that it is Hamas stalling all the ceasefire & peace negotiations – they don’t want peace. If they genuinely did, they would give back the hostages.
    Furthermore, it is the Hamas news being shown on our screens. Most it is BS – IMO.
    
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    July 26, 2025 12:52pm
    - Paulus
      
      Hamas control the worldwide media, so !
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:37pm
      - kowtow
        
        In the sense that the west msm use Hamas propaganda , wllingly and uncritcally , yes.
        
        Our own hdpa has got very “editorial”over it .There’s so much more going on .Yet these people allow temselves to be led by emotion , they are not “news” purveyors , they’ve become stooges and useful idiots and in many cases they are actually outright activists .
        
        Anti israel , anti US and actually anti westas the hamas attack on Israel , remember that was orchestrated by Iran and involved attacks on numerous fronts . In order to expand Iran control over the whole ME and to prevent peace.Houthis are still firing missiles into Israel , does that get reported .
        
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        July 26, 2025 5:02pm
    - Gary Benner
      
      And the situation would change dramatially if Hamas released all the hostages. But they don’t, because they want the fighting to continue.
      
      The BBC appears to deliver Hamas supplied news without any critical analysis. No mention ever of them holding the hostages, or the impact that has on Gaza.
      
      Gaza is a mess, the Gazans are a mess (due to electing Hamas and similar such people over many generations), and it needs a complete reset – which is what appears to be happening with the new camps being built, allowing the rest of the area to be cleared and cleaned out.
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:42pm
  - Ghost
    
    Having run the photos through a few ai detectors all say the same thing, not AI generated
    
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    July 26, 2025 1:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Which may or may not mean anything.
      
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      July 26, 2025 6:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        The videos are just as bad
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=058lA33Yzd8&t
        
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        July 26, 2025 9:56pm
    - Dougal10
      
      Lol did you used to believe jacindas disinformation project stuff as well.
      
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      July 26, 2025 9:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        The stupidest comment i have read in a while. There is no evidence these photos nor the videos of starving children are fake. But hey, if it makes you sleep better at night believing they are. Perhaps instead of idiotic comments you can actually comment on what is being discussed.
        
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        July 26, 2025 9:54pm
- emmess
  
  Update
  The Daily Mail has this ‘story’
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14939703/Reduced-skin-bones-Gaza-famine-hell-Horrifying-picture-shows-starving-child-plastic-bag-nappy-lying-exhausted-arms-desperate-mother.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline#comments-14939703
  
  And a lot of the commenters aren’t fooled either, and are saying it’s AI.
  It just look a bit off, the background looks particularly unnatural.
  
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  July 26, 2025 1:12pm
- mogg
  
  Just about all BBC reporting on Gaza comes curtesy of ‘BBC Arabic”. They are staffed by Hamas activists and have been proven on many occasions to be reporting fake news and blatant propaganda, but it is allowed to carry on. Not just on this but it is now very obvious that BBC are an activist left wing organisation.
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:03pm
  - Paulus
    
    And financed by Al Jezeera !
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:38pm
- Ra Henare
  
  So? are you trying to say there are no starving children in Gaza and its all just a BBC beatup?
  
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  July 26, 2025 3:04pm
- mogg
  
  Is this AI, paywalled but if you tap the link video will play: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/25/israel-gives-tour-of-un-aid-left-rotting-in-gaza/
  
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  July 26, 2025 3:36pm
rjay

The Green Party wants to spend $3.3 billion to add a Tauranga branch line to Te Huia passenger train. There is at least one Green candidate ( un declared as such) standing for the Regional Council who supported this and pushed for it to be included in the Regional Public Transport Plan. She will be advocating for this again.
Greens want passenger trains between Auckland and Tauranga https://share.google/zCemywZDQDhw2dvBT
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July 26, 2025 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  Running on rails made of flax .Cos steel requires coking coal , innit.
  
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  July 26, 2025 12:23pm
- pdm
  
  rjay – Duncan Garner was right into it in a podcast I listened to last evening.
  
  Here is the link – it goes for 31minutes.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD52RCOb2SE
  
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  July 26, 2025 1:13pm
- Colville
  
  This is the train that the Green nupmty said would take the same amount of time to get to Tauranga as it gets to the Tron. The train would need to leave Tauranga around 3am to get to Auckland in time for work!
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:54pm
- NeonTeepee
  
  Hover trains!
  
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  July 27, 2025 4:29pm
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Orange Man Bad…
or is it, “Orange is the New Black”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-orange-man-bad?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 26, 2025 10:47am
Andrei

This is dear old Boston
The home of the bean and cod
where the Lowels speak only to Cabots
and the Cabots speak only to God
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July 26, 2025 10:53am
Bridgenag

A Long one to read with your morning coffee

Ending Medical Gaslighting
How the institution of medicine covers up the inevitable harms of its unsafe therapeutic toolbox.

“Whenever governments are decaying, the audacity of their lies will increase more and more, which we likewise are seeing throughout the media (both with the vaccines and with our entire political process). While this approach can be quite effective (consider how many people still believe the narrative), at the same time, once it passes a certain point, everyone begins to wake up, especially if they have a framework to place those lies into context.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/amidwesterndoctor/p/ending-medical-gaslighting?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 26, 2025 10:53am
vand

his proposition is the pretext for founding the state of Israel – if you deny this, are Jews somehow confused on this point?”

What is the pretext for a Palestinian state.? There had only been a Jewish state on the land historically.
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July 26, 2025 11:21am
- Wandering Star
  
  I’d say the pretext for a Palestinian state is practically the same as that for a Jewish state (or any state, anywhere, for that matter) – an historical association with a land wherein a group with a generally shared culture, ethnicity and/or religion are allowed to exercise sovereignty and self-determination.
  
  It’s not relevant if there was or wasn’t a Jewish state sometime in the distant past, or whether there wasn’t, or whether there was or wasn’t any Palestinian state. Both Jews and Arabs have lived in the area continuously for centuries, although the Arabs have always constituted a significant majority.
  
  The conflict boils down to two sides butting heads over competing land claims, although the conflict is heavily one-sided due to Israel being sponsored and enabled by a global power over which it wields great influence.
  
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  July 26, 2025 12:10pm
  - mogg
    
    No the Arabs did not constitute a significant majority. Up until the Jews were forced into slavery and exile they were the vast majority in Greater Israel and Judea.
    
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    July 26, 2025 3:28pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  In fact, until the Mohamedans swept through the area in 634-8, the whole area was largely Christian and part of Byzantium.
  
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  July 26, 2025 4:57pm
Ghost

I would expect the answer from Trump about Ghislaine Maxwell should be “no I’m not going to pardon her”. Not. Something he is allowed to do but hasn’t thought about it

Video
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- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Say what you like about Ghislaine Maxwell, she actually has done 3 years in the slammer (and at the moment has 17 years still to go).
  
  If this was an NZ crime and sentence, do you think she’d be out on bail by now?
  
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  July 26, 2025 1:47pm
  - Paulus
    
    The US legal people are afraid she might release all her papers which are stashed overseas to avoid the corrupt US Legal system.
    They will be released, I am sure when she commits suicide in jail, so they may even keep her alive.
    
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    July 26, 2025 2:41pm
    - Colville
      
      The papers might be keeping her alive. If they can’t find her documents they don’t know how much she has and on who.
      I bet she has the dirt on Bubba Clinton!
      
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      July 26, 2025 2:56pm
    - MCōs
      
      Sort of like a nuclear deterrent of the sort Ukraine gave away?
      
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      July 26, 2025 3:18pm
Sparrow

Is is not a wonderful world (for some). I note a number of bloggers are bemoaning the situation in the UK and the apparent detrimental impact of the Muslim religion. So it’s illuminating to see our next Head of State and family (if we have not dumped them prior to their coronation) to holidaying on a Emirates multimillion dollar yacht in Greece. I wonder how that is going down in the UK?
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July 26, 2025 12:13pm
- Ghost
  
  Who cares. Looks like a nice boat, if they are on it, hope they have a good time.
  
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  July 26, 2025 12:21pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Wiliam or George will be the last King of Britain.
  
  By the turn of the century the Muslims will outnumber the indigenous Brits and St Paul’s and Westminster Abbey etc will be mosques.
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:39pm
  - MCōs
    
    They’ll all be under water
    
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    July 26, 2025 3:53pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Really? How many mm per year sea level rise do you reckon then?
      
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      July 26, 2025 6:08pm
vand

wandering star- so why didn’t the Arabs take control of their own (UN sanctioned ) state in 1047?
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- Wandering Star
  
  Did the UN exist in 1047?
  
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  July 26, 2025 3:00pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

For once I agree with Verity Johnson: Tory Whanau IS NZ’s version of Meghan Markle.

But not in the way Verity thinks.
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- Colville
  
  Not wealthy, good looking, smart or successful…
  I don’t get the comparison.
  
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  July 26, 2025 2:58pm
  - Keith White
    
    Articulating the comparison would likely invoke a ban….
    
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