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Cassandra

Predictably the Labour, Maori and Green Parties are complaining about the redesign of NZ’s passport to put a Maori name underneath the English one, a reverse of the current practice.

Almost nobody in this country does not speak or at least understand English. Almost nobody speaks only Maori. Having the Maori word above New Zealand is not only dopey but it’s also an insult.

And while the redesign is going on what about honouring the ToW where the Maori version is Niu Tirani? Or can we alter the ToW to suit and if so why was there so much (faux) opposition to Seymour’s bill?
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July 27, 2025 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ll not believe that we’re one country until part of Ka Mate is performed in English.
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:06am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I’m waiting for all the towns and cities with Maori names to receive alternative English ones.
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:27am
    - T for Tim
      
      Oh you mean like “2lakes” which translates to “Rotorua”
      
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      July 27, 2025 5:55pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    It sounds pretty naff in English so I don’t think that is likely. If the All Blacks did that the other team would fall about laughing.
    
    I die! I die! I live! I live!
    I die! I die! I live! I live!
    This is the hairy man
    Who summons the sun and makes it shine
    A step upward, another step upward!
    A step upward, another… the sun shines!
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:30am
  - PurplePen
    
    That’s a good point! Why isn’t there a smattering of English words in the haka. Good for the goose, gander, etc.
    
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    July 27, 2025 3:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Wasn’t it National who started this nonsense on the passports?
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:34am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Labour, in 2021, IIRC.
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:27am
    - Ghost
      
      No, Nathan Guy was the first minister under national to approve the change of the passports to include Aotearoa on the cover and Māori throughout the passport. In 2021 labour moved Aotearoa above nz on the passport cover.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/high-tech-makeover-for-passport/ZOSI5YKFZRV56NLJ33XEGZ7SIE/
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:13am
      - Paulus
        
        I thhink I read that the passport as we know it is to be ultimately phased out in favour of our own secure card with all the electronics on it like our bank cards at present. Overseas countries are already trying it – see a NZ person entering Australia with a facial photo shop system.
        Finally we will have some provable identity for such as election security.
        Whatch the left scream, but remember we already have such in favour of our Medical code, which all users have already and have had for years.
        A new universal New Zealand person card will include this as such.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:30am
      - John Loveridge
        
        That’s what I was referring to, Ghost.
        
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        July 27, 2025 6:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘As well as improved security features, the new ePassport features unique artwork telling the story of New Zealand through themes of navigation and travel. The cover is black with a silver fern design and the language is English and Te Reo Maori throughout.’
      
      Nov 09
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-style-epassport-released-today
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:18am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Sure was.
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:37am
  - Inandout
    
    kow, Guy did and Doug Graham started the Treaty grievances.
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:24am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I thought it was John Key who promoted putting “Aotearoa” on our passports in around 2012.
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:34am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If I was in charge I would import young qualified Poms to fill our skills shortages like Doctors Nurses Tradies etc. I would bond them for 6 years but exempt them from income tax for the first 3 years to help them get established. They would intergrate and become valuable members of society.
  Contrast this with former and current Governments who import the unemployable who live on taxpayer funded benefits for the rest of their lives living in their enclaves and refusing to intergrate.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:05am
  - Philview
    
    I get the impression in the medical profession imported doctors and nurses have to go through some kind of cultural training for NZ, whereas Australia wants them as well without the need for cultural training.
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:28am
    - pdm
      
      We had as neighbours for just over a year a qualified Filipino Doctor and his equally qualified Theatre Nurse wife.
      
      Wife got a job immediately in the Theatres at HB Hospital while he was doing orderly type work to start, then `trailed’ a NZ Doctor for 3 months before finally being taken on as a Doctor in the Hospital. In all it took about a year.
      
      Ridiculous.
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:11am
      - David Garrett
        
        Pdm: I have to disagree. The Philippines is an extremely corrupt country; it wouldn’t surprise me if it is possible to buy a medical degree there.
        
        A year seems about right to see if the the filipino doctor always agreed with the NZ doctor’s diagnosis and proposed treatment.
        
        Nursing is quite different: That’s to a large part a hands on skill. A fake nurse would be exposed very quickly.
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:43am
      - Warren Murray
        
        @DG; corruption has many forms and the most insidious aspect is how it starts; gradually and cloaked in virtue. An example might be setting a lower entry / pass rate threshold for Maori medical students to do something about the disproportionately low ratio of Maori medical practitioners and by boosting that segment it might help turn around poor Maori health stats generally.
        
        Then it moves to fast tracking Maori applicants by guaranteeing them a shortlisting. It’s a small step from that to setting quotas requiring hiring of Maori ahead of non Maori who have better credentials (I experienced this first hand as a manager at MoH).
        
        Then, of course, there’s co governance arrangements which is soon followed by Koha and other financial payments that would make the mafia blush to use rivers, lakes and public spaces, or for resource consents, etc.
        
        So, sure, I applaud your vigilance for corruption in the Philippines because we don’t want that sort of thing creeping in here.
        
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        July 27, 2025 12:49pm
    - Keith White
      
      Every doctor in NZ who wishes to get a certificate to practice had and has to go through regulated & mandatory Māori-recertification courses.
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:14am
      - kowtow
        
        You’d wonder who the hell is race ‘certifying’ highly trained medics and who the hell certifies these certifiers .
        
        Cui bono , cos sure as hell it’s not the taxpayer or patient.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:18am
      - OlderChas
        
        I understand nurses have to do the same – and at their own expense ($10,000 did I read somewhere?)
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:46am
    - Burtland
      
      overseas doctors need reprogramming – cultural safety
      – those that wont undergo reprogramming make good uber drivers
      win-win in the marxist state
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:28am
    - PurplePen
      
      The professional bodies for medical professionals don’t want to make it too easy to get NZ registration. It keeps demand high along with hourly rate. It’s been going on for decades. Unfortunately for NZ, Australia has one of the highest pay rates globally for medical professionals. Compare rates with the UK and our lot are better paid.
      
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      July 27, 2025 3:50pm
  - Ghost
    
    Wouldn’t you prefer to get the best doctors possible instead of just focusing on British doctors?
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:31am
    - Gary Benner
      
      Ghost I think the issue is that the British Doctors would have the best cultural fit for the majority of New Zealanders – both on language skills and medical competency of course.
      
      Currently we have 69% European doctors, 20% Asian, 4.7% Maori, and the rest Pacifica, MELAA. (Ref: Medical Council of New Zealand’s 2023 Workforce Survey) Given that even people who put themselves on the “Maori Roll” are predominantly European in genetics and culture, I see this proportion as OK.
      
      For me a Doctor must first and primarily be competent, and then they must have good communications skills; which means they must speak a language both understand fluently. Since all school children are taught using English in our schools (well 99.9%), it is obvous that the highest priority is to source these professionals from a country with well established training, and a similar language. So England, South Africa, Australia, Canada, and USA as starters. Then countries that also teach English in their schools. Some speak better English than ourselves!
      
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      July 27, 2025 10:52am
      - kowtow
        
        Not the pricks who run their unions .
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:18am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes. Which is why the lower entry requirement for Maori and pi to start medical school is so egregious.
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:24am
      - Paulus
        
        It still take something like 10 years of hard graft for people to qualify as a Medical Doctor. That is not only in New Zealand, although I expect Tainui to do that in half the time at their new Med School, should it start, with Taxpayer’s money.
        
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        July 27, 2025 1:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      On a blog where people are against medical schools setting aside places based on ethnicity, it is surprising to see people want to hire based on ethnicity. Strange blog. Shit, I’d rather see a doctor and have a nurse who have the job because they are the best for that job, than someone who got the job because of their ethnicity
      
      Personally I’m thankfully for all the amazing doctors we have at our hospital. The South Africans who specialise in orthopaedics, and the former general secretary of the Emirates orthopaedic society that worked in our hospital and spent several hours rebuilding my father’s collapsed hip. The American, Iraqi and British doctors that we have working here. The nurses from all over the world. Our health system would be fucked without these people doing the jobs they are qualified to do.
      
      But hey, if people are more interested in hiring based on ethnicity, then enjoy those who are being trained because they got into medical school not on qualifications, but on filling a quota
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:25am
      - Paulus
        
        I am aware some 20 years ago that a couple of skilled UK Doctors came to New Zealand, and had to both wait, and do exams and do menial tasks
        One is now one of our senior publically Medical positions – non union.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:35am
      - kiwimike
        
        GHOST
        wake up?!
        The ones they mention are as good as us.
        the other maybe…..
        South Africa not so since Mandela 1980/90’s sure.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps you should wake up and get over your prejudice. New Zealand needs the best medical staff for the job, not to pick them based on their ethnicity. Last man standing also only mentions poms. But hey, if you would have no issue seeing a doctor who was hired on their ethnicity, go for it, personally I will go for the one who got the job because they are the best qualified for it.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:09pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Ghost, you might want to put your high horse out to pasture. You see no issue with Western countries raiding the Third World for their precious doctors, nurses and specialists that are needed over there more than here to serve their populations? That’s what you support by implication: the exploitation of poorer black, brown and yellow countries for whitey’s benefit. That you accuse others of racism while supporting this system is kind of gross. Why can’t New Zealand train most of the medical staff it needs? Or anyone for any job in any field for that matter? Why must we important tens of thousands of people a year while we simultaneously export tens of thousands? Why can’t New Zealand get anything right?
        
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        July 27, 2025 5:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        Stupid post. People are free to work where they want, if a qualified dr or nurse wants to move to new Zealand then good on them. If a new Zealander wants to move overseas and work in another country, good on them. Perhaps your horse is so high up you’d like to do an ardern and lock people down to only work in new Zealand and lock out the staff that our hospitals and gp’s need. Enjoy the incredibly ling waiting lists you want to create
        
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        July 27, 2025 5:23pm
  - mogg
    
    I turned up in 1976, no work permit, got a job, emergency tax no, my employer wrote a letter of recommendation to Labour Department. A couple of months later I was in, and eventually a nice tax rebate to go with it. Happy days
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:46am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “I would bond them for 6 years but exempt them from income tax for the first 3 years to help them get established. They would intergrate and become valuable members of society.”
    
    Why not do this for “local” individuals? Why spend a fortune training them up, only for them to piss off overseas? Bond them for 10 years and give them 5 or 6 years income tax free – by that stage, they’ll be well-established and probably wouldn’t want to go anywhere.
    
    The aim should be to obviate the “need” for importing immigrants at scale at all (with such “need” largely linked only to bringing in ever more immigrants to begin with, so it’s circular).
    
    What we have is a bi-partisan position that takes as its first principle that there will be mass immigration, and all economic policies are derived from this first principle. What we need is a new first principle that doesn’t require an ever-increasing population on non-white people propping up the GDP and displacing Europeans as a proportion of the population.
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:26am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Hear hear! We “need” perhaps 5% of the foreigners that flood in every year.
      
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      July 27, 2025 5:16pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    And breeding like flies
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:58am
NeverMindTheBollocks

No wonder there’s been a rental shortage in Auckland.

“Police believe Vietnamese organised crime groups have converted 300 Auckland homes to grow cannabis on a commercial scale”

“It is understood many of the cannabis growers come from two specific regions of Vietnam, which a source says points towards a specific recruitment network”

Perhaps it’s time to ban visitors from Vietnam.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360767315/hidden-plain-sight-how-ordinary-houses-are-turned-major-drug-operations
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July 27, 2025 8:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, we’re told that children are starving to death in Gaza. We also know that food is being supplied to Gaza – maybe enough, maybe not.

In such circumstances, surely a civilised society would prioritise food to its children.

What does this say about the values and motivations of Hamas?
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July 27, 2025 8:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  We are also told that Israeli soldiers are shooting people trying to get the food.
  
  What does that say about the values and motivations of Israeli soldiers?
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:52am
  - Burtland
    
    and if Hamas released the last captives it would end – what does that say about Hamas
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:32am
    - Wandering Star
      
      But why should the Palestinians cave to Israel’s demands? If they did, they would be completely open to the intentions of the Israelis (as to Palestinians themselves, and to Palestinian territory). The idea underpinning this suggestion is that that Palestinians are completely to blame for the decades-long conflict, whereas the Israeli’s aren’t.
      
      Look how the Israelis behave while there is some resistance to them (and Hamas is a resistance movement, not an aggressive expansionist power like Israel). If the Palestinians capitulated, they would be signing their own death warrant, because Israel wants complete control, not peace (which could only come once they’d completely wiped out the Palestinians).
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:29am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Burtland.
      You must have missed the number of publicly reported….
      
      Netanyahu has specifically said the war will continue until the last Hamas “”terrorist”” is eliminated, even if they release all the hostages.
      
      ie Netanyahu will never stop the war as he will never eliminate the last Hamas “”terrorist””.
      
      Remember it his Netanyahu’s party, who wants Gaza and the west bank as Israeli territory.
      
      between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977
      
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      July 27, 2025 2:25pm
  - mogg
    
    We are also told that UN has hundreds of trucks with rotting food inside Gaza. Israel is sopping them from handing this food to Hamas. What does this say UN motivation regarding starving children
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:53am
    - Wandering Star
      
      The obvious fault in the “the IDF are not actively harming Gazans” argument as it pertains to food restrictions is that it is completely at odds with how the IDF have prosecuted their bombing and invasion of Gaza for the last two years, which is to say by showing Gazans no mercy whatsoever. If the latter wasn’t the case, then the former argument may be credible.
      
      Logically, it’s difficult to say why the IDF would suddenly become concerned about ensuring Gazans get the aid they need, when the reason the Gazans need such aid in the first place is because of the IDF’s destruction of Gaza.
      
      Some people make out as if the idea that the IDF would act in a way that deliberately harms Gazans is fantasy stuff, when it is perfectly consistent with decades of past behaviour. Instead, for some bizarre reason, they say that Hamas is harming Gazans: why would Hamas do this, and what purpose would it serve? Who knows.
      
      Instead of mentally contorting ourselves to explain away the obvious, I think it is better to just accept the obvious explanation.
      
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      July 27, 2025 1:22pm
      - mogg
        
        Gazans and their various leaders have been refusing peace deals with Israel, and the return of land for the past 30 years, because they do not recognise the right of Israel to to exist. They are happily using their civilian population including children as weapons of war. Starving children is what they want the world to see, they are the only ones who will benefit from it. It’s funny that you should mention mental contortions, just take a good look in the mirror.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:24pm
  - Gary Benner
    
    As reported by Hamas … no need to say more…
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:54am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Why would you assume that “as reported by Israel” would be any more reliable and free of self-interested propaganda? You believe the Israelis because you want to believe them, not because there any reason to believe them.
      
      Think of some of the outlandish claims that came out from Israeli sources post-October 2023, almost none of which they still maintain as being verified and verifiable. And there’s no need: the claims have done their job, which was helping to justify an invasion of Gaza.
      
      In fact, the Israelis frequently boast about how duplicitous and underhanded they are (remember the recent “pager attacks” as a prime example of long-term coordinated deception?) with Mossad’s former motto even being “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” – who do you think they are deceiving, Gary? In part, you.
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:45am
      - kiwimike
        
        [Mod – just debate the topics]
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:09pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        There is a simple test to answer your questions.
        
        1. Go to an Israeli city and shout out in public “I support Hamas”.
        
        2. Go into Gaza (or whats left) and shout out in a crowd “I support Israel”.
        
        See what happens. I know which place I’d rather be in.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:30pm
  - Paulus
    
    Typical Al Jezeera propaganda !
    Prove it, Really.
    
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    July 27, 2025 1:57pm
  - kiwimike
    
    IMALWAYS RIGHT
    yes but we’re being told by Hamas and their mates in the Media who are supervised by Hamas
    
    [Mod – debate the topics]
    
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    July 27, 2025 4:06pm
Chuck Bird

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I was appalled by the atrocities on 7 October. I am also appalled by what I see on TV nightly. Children and babies are innocent. Israel spokespersons are lying.

“They Want to CLEANSE Gaza!” Israeli Genocide Scholar Omer Bartov On IDF ‘Crimes’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYWiG9jEa9s
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July 27, 2025 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  ‘ by what I see on TV nightly’
  
  Nightly!
  
  There’s your problem right there , Chucky , Hamas Pallywood will do that.
  
  All those young festival goers were innocent too.
  
  Have the hostages been released yet .
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:29am
- Cassandra
  
  There’s a simple solution. Gaza should recognise Israel, stop attacking and release its hostages. War will then end immediately.
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:35am
  - MCōs
    
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    Sure
    How can Gaza recognize Israel or anyone else if it doesn’t have a government?
    
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    July 27, 2025 8:41am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Sorry, I downticked you in error.
      
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      July 27, 2025 8:57am
    - David George
      
      “it doesn’t have a government”
      Hamas was elected to govern Gaza in 2006, they’ve committed themselves, by words and actions, to the genocide of Israelis ever since. It’s imperative that Hamas is completely destroyed for the sake of the Gazans as much as the Israelis.
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:02am
      - surfing
        
        It’s tricky, what do you do with a group of people whose sole purpose is to wipe out another group, and they are very willing to sacrifice their own children to do that.
        
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        July 27, 2025 9:13am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        @surfing – I’m not sure what we should do with TPM and the maori activist elite either.
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:00am
      - AitchW
        
        Surfing, especially when that groups is prepared to use hospitals and schools as launching points for rockets attacks into Israel.
        Hamas is cold blooded, determined, and beneath contempt.
        What is worse is that it’s actively supported by the UN.
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:37am
    - G152
      
      Easy. hamas surrenders and Gaza returns to normal
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:15am
      - Burtland
        
        gaza returns to normal – building tunnels and hatred with UN aid?
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:37am
  - Chuck Bird
    
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    The victims are not attacking and have no hostages. Hamas is an evil terrorist organisation. The victims have no control over Hamas.
    
    Are you not moved by the sight of starving children and babies?
    
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    July 27, 2025 8:43am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Are you not moved by the sight of starving children and babies?’
      
      So why don’t we get “nightly’reports and imagery from Yemen , Sudan , South Sudan and any number of other ‘trouble spots’, where if truth be told , not Hamas propaganda, there are even more numerically dead , displaced and distressed .
      
      Who have little hope of any meaningful aid let alone attention.
      
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      July 27, 2025 8:50am
    - David George
      
      The food is in Gaza waiting to be delivered but the UN agencies charged with it’s distribution are too scared of Hamas to do so. There are some IAF airdrops going on but, if you want to blame anyone, Hamas is the problem – either stealing (and on-selling what should be free) food or terrorising those trying to get it to the people.
      
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      July 27, 2025 8:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
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        So you think all the countries that have strongly criticised Israel, including NZ, are stupid?
        
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        July 27, 2025 9:00am
      - kowtow
        
        DG
        
        Watch the msm slag off the IDF when someone gets bonked on the head by an air drop.
        
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        July 27, 2025 9:09am
      - David George
        
        I don’t think stupidity is the problem, Chuck.
        Willing to be mislead more likely.
        
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        July 27, 2025 9:10am
      - AitchW
        
        Kowtow, my uncle was badly injured after release from a Japanese POW camp when he was struck by a crate of supplies airdropped by the Americans.
        It does happen, however there is no ill will from our family toward the US as a result…
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:40am
      - kowtow
        
        DG
        
        A degree of stupidity is involved , mind you with the French , deceit of some sort possibly too.
        
        Macron recognising a palestinian state hands Hamas an undoubted propaganda victory as Hamas ( and its backers) will be forever able to point to Oct 7 as a victory on the international stage , one that other factions there never achieved .
        
        Incredibly stupid or ………who knows .
        
        But then these are the great people / leaders who have given the west deindustrialisation, mass unintegratable immigration , lousy defence capabilty , net zero , massive debt and huge welfare dependency ………
        
        As Enoch said ; a nation ( civilisation) building itself a funeral pyre.
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:52am
      - kowtow
        
        AitchW
        
        Yes I’ve read of POW’s killed by those airdrops .
        
        Tragic.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:21am
      - Cantabrian
        
        I saw a video on a Substack item this morning (sorry – I’ve not been able to find it again) showing something like 500 trucks being helf inside Gaza by Hamas as a barfgining tool. While mistreatment of children is awful, It is too easy to close our eyes to the real cause of their suffering – Hamas. ANyone who thinks a cease-fire is possible or practical is dreaming. And putting down the guns will not change the Hamas attitude towards Israel.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:56am
      - Ghost
        
        Is this the footage? 2.12 into the video
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnu5vYP-uKE
        
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        July 27, 2025 12:06pm
    - Cassandra
      
      Of course hungry sick children are very upsetting. And the even worse sights in the Sudan and Congo etc – all largely ignored. But you are separating Hamas from Gaza. Just as we refer to the Nazis as if it was not supported by the majority of Germans – until they started losing of course. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and would probably win a free election in the West Bank.
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:04am
      - Gary Benner
        
        Over the last 50 years of my adult life I have seen a parade of claims of “starving children”, from Biafra to Ethiopia, Live Aid to Gaza.
        
        I’m sorry to say it, but as a result of observing what had really been happening over these decades, when I hear this phrase, my bullshit antennae starts to quiver, and I automatically mark this as “propaganda”.
        
        I’m not in any way unsympathetic to starving children. It is that I’m now alert to the propaganda technique of pulling heart strings, especially targetted to those who think with their heart first, and not their mind.
        
        Before I let anything touch my inner sensitivities, and enter “my” heart, it goes through a significant degree of critical analysis … where questions such as who is saying this? Is it credible? What are their motives in reporting this? And is there another side of the issue?
        
        As regards the current issue in Gaza, anyone who shouts out about “genocide” etc in Gaza, without in any way also addressing the hostages still held, and the still maintained mission of Hamas to eradicate Israel, has no credibility in my world. They are simply exhibiting behaviour reminiscent of pavlovian dogs when the bell rings. But in this case trained by a media to respond when they cry “starving children”, and present images of emaciated bodies etc.
        
        I refuse to respond in that way. Does that make me uncaring? No it does not. I care about what I know to be true, and currently the world media is awash with fakery and untruths. I care about my family, and my friends. I care about what I can see and observe to be true. I also care about what I can infer has come from truthful sources, and that resonates with my inner gyroscope of common sense, developed over 70+ years of life experience.
        
        As others have said, Gaza is controlled by their own mafiosa – Hamas, and until they are excised there will continue to be conflict, mayhem, and war. And war is not pretty, make no illusions. But like a cancer permeating a body, there is no simple surgical procedure to remove it that does not profoundly affect the body. The only solution I can see is a complete reset, rebuild, and in the process, eradicate any semblance of the radical Hamas that currently control the Gazan people their with force, coercion and violence.
        
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        July 27, 2025 11:25am
    - David George
      
      Chuck: “The victims have no control over Hamas”
      
      They could try and overthrow Hamas but they would get shot for sure.
      These Muslim Brotherhood types are completely and irrevocably committed to an Islamic caliphate – no matter the death and destruction towards that end. The more the better apparently.
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:22am
      - imalwaysright
        
        That’s right DG, they would get shot, or more likely knifed to death: cheaper.
        
        Most on this site seem to ascribe to the Walt Disney version of warfare and human conflict.
        Don’t forget 95% of kiwis fell into lockstep when told to by a halfwitted PM not too long ago.
        They are not really people who should be giving opinions on life and death situations.
        Just another gabfest from the keyboard warriors .
        
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        July 27, 2025 10:24am
    - John Loveridge
      
      [Mod – just debate the topics]
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:34am
    - rouppe
      
      The victims are not attacking
      
      Are you sure?
      
      What I see is fighting age men carrying away whole sacks of supplies.
      
      If you had 2000 fighting age men running at your position what would it look like to you?
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:35am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘If you had 2000 fighting age men running at your position what would it look like to you?’
        
        A typical day on the Kentish coast .
        
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        July 27, 2025 12:02pm
    - Taieri
      
      the sight of starving children and babies
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      Are the adults also starving?
      If not, why don’t they feed their children first?
      
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      July 27, 2025 5:39pm
    - Ghost
      
      IDF is now going to have a 10 hour daily pause for humanitarian aid to be delivered
      
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-27-2025/
      
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      July 27, 2025 5:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hamas funded by the likes of Al Jezeera publicity will in no way climb down now that they have seen the turmoil that they can elevate the Middle East to when their leaders live in luxury in the main cities away from so called Palestine, building up fortunes on the back of the refugees by witholding and selling food aid.
    
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    July 27, 2025 8:45am
  - artemisia
    
    And then there will be a huge global effort to rebuild Gaza. Taking in Gazan immigrants in large numbers, not so much.
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:16am
    - David Garrett
      
      Art: No-one wants the Gazans who are seen – for good reason – as being the source of much trouble
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:22am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Cass, provably incorrect.
    
    Netnayhu has publicly and on the record said that the war will not end until the last Hamas Terrorist is eliminated, even if they release the hostages.
    
    Ergo the ware will never end until he removes all Palestinians from Gaza.
    
    Remember, Netanyahu’s Party want Israel to have from the River to the Sea. Remember it is ISrael who keep walking away from Peace negotiations on one pretex or another.
    
    between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform,1977
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:33pm
  - kiwimike
    
    or
    clear the Gaza of all Muslims, then there is no threat.
    
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    July 27, 2025 4:10pm
- kowtow
  
  And Chuck , if you think about it , Hamas ( and their backers) is holding the whole of Gaza hostage .
  
  It’s what they do.
  
  In the past decent military types used to surrender in the face of defeat to prevent further disaster , this lot and their backers have no decency .
  
  Now that Hamas has again rejected the latest negotiations and chance to end all this suffering ,they are going to be even more relentlessly hunted down , to everyone’s disadvantage.
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:56am
- wairarapapaul
  
  Release the hostages, send Hamas back to Iran and problem solved.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:08am
- Philview
  
  Someone noted that there isn’t yet any footage of starving adults and raised the concern that Hamas are in fact starving these children for propaganda purposes. I don’t know where the truth lies but do know that I see in the international media regular stories of IDF soldiers getting killed in ambushes and the NZ media seems to ignore these stories.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    As they ignore the still regular rocket launches from Gaza and Yemen .
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:56am
  - OlderChas
    
    Yes Phil – I, too, have noticed that the adults holding the exhibited starved children are clean, well dressed, and well nourished.
    I have also noted in the footage of ‘victims’ being rushed into hospitals (where there always seems to be a news camera conveniently set up) that there is very little – if any – sign of blood and that the ‘victims’ and carriers are remarkably clean and tidy for those who have apparently just dragged a ‘victim’ out of rubble or shrapnel infested areas.
    Conversely, a short clip of war in an African country recently showed a disheveled and bloodied victim on a blood-soaked stretcher.
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:03pm
- sirknz
  
  My automatic assumption whenever I see pictures of starving women and emaciated children is that they are trying to elicit an emotional response, basically it is propaganda.
  
  The various global charities do this with their advertising, they never seem to show boys or men, it is always a mother and her daughter or just a girl child who always look dirty and emaciated.
  
  Why are none of the Palestinian adults around them also emaciated?
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:52am
  - AitchW
    
    Many of the pictures I’ve seen portray emaciated toddlers in the care of what one might charitably call well upholstered women.
    Someone is telling fibs….
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:42am
- mogg
  
  [Debate the topics without personal abuse]
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:58am
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    Do you even know what personal abuse is?
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:52am
Scott

I want to give a timeline showing the two tier treatment, so far, of Lucy Connolly and Bob Vylan.
Lucy Connolly tweeted on 29th July 2024,the day of the Southport attacks.

Lucy was charged on 10th August 2024
– Lucy Connolly, [20/01/1983], is of Northampton, Northamptonshire.
– She has been charged with publishing written material which was threatening, abusive or insulting intending thereby to stir up racial hatred or having regard to all the circumstances, whereby racial hatred was likely to be stirred up, contrary to section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986.
– She is due to appear at Nottingham Magistrates’ Court today.

July 2024, prompted by a false rumour that an illegal immigrant was responsible for the murder of three girls at a dance workshop in Southport, Connolly posted online calling for “mass deportation now”, adding “set fire to all the… hotels [housing asylum seekers]… for all I care”.
Connolly, then a 41-year-old Northampton childminder, added: “If that makes me racist, so be it.”
At the time she had about 9,000 followers on X. Her message was reposted 940 times and viewed 310,000 times, before she deleted it three and a half hours later.

17th October 2024
Jailed for 31 months.

25th May 2025
Three appeal court judges ruled the 31-month sentence was not “manifestly excessive”.
One mean tweet!!

24th June 2025
“It comes to something when a senior British politician has to visit a person in prison, not only to show his support but to try to protect her against further harm. Yet that is exactly what happened when Richard Tice, deputy leader of Reform UK, met Lucy Connolly at HMP Peterborough on Tuesday morning. I had informed Tice that, last Thursday, Lucy says she was manhandled by up to six prison officers to a wing which houses the most volatile and dangerous prisoners.

“Five days after the incident, the bruises from the handcuffs on Lucy’s wrists are still significant – yellow. It was obviously horrible what she went through,” Tice told me just after he emerged from the jail. “On Thursday, she was mistreated without provocation. Full force was used with no justification. She was starved of food, with no lunch or dinner, after the incident. She was denied enhanced accommodation to which she was entitled and they gave her, frankly, the Nutters Wild Wing – full of druggies and violent offenders.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/24/the-mistreatment-of-lucy-connolly-in-prison-is-sinister/?ICID=continue_without_subscribing_reg_first

Lucy Connolly is still in prison. And getting especially harsh treatment. For one mean tweet.

Bob Vylan on Saturday 28th June 2025 at the Glastonbury Festival lead the crowd in a chant –
“Death, death to the IDF”.

After the festival, a video surfaced showing Bobby Vylan saying to the crowd at Alexandra Palace in London on 28 May 2025: “Death to every single IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror for Israel. Death to the IDF”.

On Monday 30th June the Police open an investigation.

As of now, a month later, he has not been charged.
I don’t think he will be. He’s black. He’s a rapper. He’s cool. He’s against Israel. The elites are against Israel. They don’t want to charge him.

Lucy Connolly is still in jail and being harshly treated. She is white. She is middle class. She is not cool. She is against migrants, especially illegal immigrants. The elites love illegal immigrants. They said at sentence this sentence was to deter others. One mean tweet. In the heat of the moment.

Miss Connolly was convicted under S.19 of the Act, which is publishing or distributing written material likely to stir up racial hatred, which she did by posting a tweet in which she said:
“Mass deportation now. Set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care. While you’re at it, take the treacherous government and politicians with them.”
The tweet was deleted 3 and a half hours later when she thought better of it. No previous criminal record.

This is two tier justice. Will Bob Vylan, who lead a chant with thousands and thousands of people and whose chant was broadcast to millions of people, ever be arrested? He did it at least twice, calling for essentially, death to the Jews.
Lucy is still in jail. Bob remains free. That can’t be right? 😕
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July 27, 2025 8:11am
- Philview
  
  I also am concerned by the case of Lucy Letby who has 15 life sentences for murder. There is so much information coming to light proving her innocence but the British judicial will not budge an inch. This has parallels with the Post Office saga and indicates that the British judicial system has very serious problems.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:46am
- Wandering Star
  
  “He did it at least twice, calling for essentially, death to the Jews.”
  
  “Essentially”? You mean, what you would prefer he had said due to your deliberate conflation of what was actually said with an implication as to what he actually meant so that you can inflate the gravity of the words.
  
  The more general application of this idea is that any but the most minor criticism of a Jew of group of Jews (no matter how descriptive and justified) is classed as “antisemitic” and is inflated beyond all reasonable proportion to become an indication that the critic wants to harm or kill Jews (this being an example of the “what they really meant to say is …” tactic you are employing). This is how criticism is shut down because it deflects from the subject and onto the motivations of the critic.
  
  No, he said “death to the IDF” he did not say “death to the Jews.”
  
  We are often cautioned about not conflating Zionists with all Jews, nor positing an equivalence between the Netanyahu government and every Israeli. But when it suits, someone like you will happily conflate “the IDF” with “the Jews” because it advances your narrative. Switched around, pro-Zionists like yourself will also happily conflate any Gazan with “Hamas” because that way, you feel morally justified in killing Gazan civilians – “Oh, those women and children were “Hamas” anyway, so who cares?” That’s what you and others tell yourself, because the reality is so disturbing. You have to pretend the situation is something other than it really is. In fact, the entire pro-Zionist argument relies on denying reality 90% of the time.
  
  In terms of Lucy Letby and Bob Vylan, I back the sentiment (if not the literal implication) of what each of them had to say: the mass influx of immigrants is a very serious issue that all Brits should be concerned about, just as a large proportion of the actions of the IDF are appalling and should be condemned by any decent person.
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:09am
  - Scott
    
    Wandering – death to the IDF is calling for the killing of Jewish soldiers. The IDF is what protects the Jews of Israel from their neighbours. Calling for death to every IDF soldier out there is calling for Jewish deaths. Without the IDF there is no Israel. Without the IDF Israel’s murderous neighbours such as Hamas would be able to kill all the Jews. Which is what Hamas wants to do.
    
    Bob Vylan certainly meets the hate speech threshold that Lucy was supposedly in breach of. He certainly wants Jewish soldiers killed, all of them. With them killed the rest of the Jews will follow. That’s definitely hate speech. Calling for death.
    
    It actually transformed Glastonbury into a modern Nuremberg rally. Suddenly we are transported back to 1930s Germany. Sad 🙁
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:18pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      “Wandering – death to the IDF is calling for the killing of Jewish soldiers.”
      
      Yes, I know. If someone supports Gazans (who the IDF are at war with), it is perfectly natural to call for the deaths of IDF soldiers who are killing Gazans.
      
      Conversely, I’ve seen many commenters calling for the death of Hamas fighters, and doing so in no uncertain terms – how is this any different in principle? It isn’t.
      
      “He certainly wants Jewish soldiers killed, all of them. With them killed the rest of the Jews will follow. That’s definitely hate speech. Calling for death.”
      
      Then you and others will have to also stop calling for the death of Hamas militants – with the Hamas resistance gone, the rest of the Palestinians will follow.
      
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      July 27, 2025 1:07pm
      - Scott
        
        Wandering – no – if all the IDF soldiers were killed then Hamas would kill all the rest of the Jews. That’s their stated aim. That’s what they did on Oct 7th and what they’ve said they would do again and again.
        
        If all of Hamas were killed the IDF would not kill everyone else in Gaza.
        
        That’s the difference. Hamas is genocidal. Openly genocidal.
        
        Despite claims from anti Semitic individuals, the IDF is not.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:00pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        Scott, Palestinians have absolutely no ability to genocide Jews; Jews, on the other hand, do have the ability to genocide Palestinians.
        
        I don’t care what someone’s “stated aim” is, much more important is what is real or possible, and what is not. It’s laughable how the Israelis go around telling us how everyone wants to take them out, while at the same time they are taking out various Arab/Muslim groups and entities (and, via the US military, nullifying entire nations).
        
        With Israel, every accusation tends to be an admission.
        
        However, I personally don’t think they are genociding Palestinians, but they are now, and have on several occasions since 1948, ethnically cleansing Palestinian territory so that they can annex it.
        
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        July 27, 2025 4:14pm
    - kowtow
      
      Scott
      
      Druze are very prominent in the IDF . Serve loyally and rise to senior positions. Christians serve too.
      
      Proves there’s no discrimination .
      
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      July 27, 2025 1:50pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        “Proves there’s no discrimination.”
        
        There were thousands of Jews in the Wehrmacht, too. Does that mean that many Nazi’s policies didn’t discriminate against Jews, in the same way that Israeli policies place non-Jews at a disadvantage? The one doesn’t entail the other.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Jewish_military_personnel_of_World_War_II
        
        “Up to 150,000 men deemed to be of Jewish ancestry (60,000 “half-Jews” and 90,000 “quarter-Jews”) served in the Wehrmacht during World War II despite the openly and aggressively anti-semitic policies of Nazi Germany. The policy of the Wehrmacht towards “Mischlinge” personnel throughout the war was “erratic, ambivalent, and contradictory. Among the Wehrmacht personnel of World War II of Jewish ancestry were Generalfeldmarschalls, admirals, and generals. Around 20 soldiers of Jewish ancestry received the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross.”
        
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        July 27, 2025 2:27pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    *Lucy Connelly
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:35pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Why should English people care what Bob Vylan has to say about Israel? Far more relevant, and particularly to the Lucy Connolly case, were his words on England and the English:
  
  “gammon”. . . “you want your country back, f*** off!”. . . talk about chasing and fighting “gammon” in the streets, etc.
  
  Why are English people ‘allowed’ to care about Jews in the middle east, but ‘bigots’ should they want to protect their own people and culture in their own home?
  
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  July 27, 2025 3:29pm
- kiwimike
  
  Clearly it is now past decency.
  so executing the treasonous MP’s and Civil Service who are enabling the invasion.
  also rescind EUHR act and deport all illegals.
  that’s for starters.
  only GB citizens can vote too.
  send all PR & dual citizens criminals back to original home country.
  
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  July 27, 2025 4:22pm
artemisia

Taranaki mayors want hydrogen kick-start from Wellington

This despite ongoing questions about the gas’s effectiveness in reducing carbon emissions….The mayors’ submission said mana whenua must be part of talks, whatever officials decide. “Whichever regulatory pathway the Crown adopts regarding the RMA or CMA, discussions will be required with iwi and hapū to define rights to the resource.”

Define rights to the resource? Kick-start from Wellington? What the mayors really mean is give us lots of taxpayer money and we will pass lots of it on, because reasons. Just wrapped up in soft weasel words. Sounds like the kiss of death under the current government. Or should be.

OK Taranaki mayors, can we see what approaches have been made to the private sector, and the results.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568115/taranaki-mayors-want-hydrogen-kick-start-from-wellington
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July 27, 2025 8:12am
- Quail
  
  The racial divisions in this country are growing by the day,
  The Mayors discussions should include ALL their constituents ,not singling out any particular race!
  These Mayorol actions are dangerous and disgraceful!
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  As far as i can tell globally, all this magical “green” hydrogen alchemy is a hugely expensive pipe dream burden on the ever suffering taxpayer.
  
  Coal . Local , reliable, proven, efficient , plentiful .
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:39am
- John Loveridge
  
  Corruption and grift, sanctioned by local government.
  
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  July 27, 2025 8:52am
- peterwn
  
  What ‘resource’? Unless they are referring to the precursors of hydrogen. The only two feasible precursors for hydrogen are electricity and water (green hydrogen) or a petrochemical process a bit like old fashioned gasworks (blue hydrogen). But wait! Taranaki produces limited amounts of electricity and petrochemical feedstock is in short supply (thanks to Jacinda’s Captains Call). There is new ‘new’ resource where Iwi can clip the ticket.
  The so called ‘hydrogen economy’ is in reality a dead duck. There is no point with having hydrogen fuelled vehicles when either possible precursor ie electricity or hydrocarbon can power vehicles directly. Hydrogen is as much as an energy source as Transpower’s pylons are a source of electricity source. They both merely convey energy.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The so called ‘hydrogen economy’ is in reality a dead duck.
    
    And absolutely NO reason why little debt-ridden NZ should lead the charge in developing a H-fuel industry.
    
    Has Australia or the UK developed an economic H-fuel industry yet?
    Has India, has China, has the USA?
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:27am
    - artemisia
      
      Maggy, of course all those Taranaki mayors investigated this thoroughly before requesting a lot of OPM. Not just ‘culturally’ but investigated technically, globally and financially, including detailed benefit / cost analysis. They will be releasing details any day now.
      
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      July 27, 2025 9:44am
      - peterwn
        
        It was because the previous Government offered them a hydrogen economy to offset the downturn of the petrochemical production and processing industry thanks to the Captain’s Call. The mayors are merely wanting the previous Government’s promise honoured.
        
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        July 27, 2025 12:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Green Hydrogen projects are falling over…all over the place…
        
        https://www.joannenova.com.au/2025/07/bp-abandons-australias-biggest-renewables-project-26gw-and-55b-to-focus-on-oil-and-gas/
        
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        July 27, 2025 3:39pm
    - AitchW
      
      I read a report recently that the US has a nuclear plant somewhere in the desert dedicated to producing hydrogen.
      Clean, green hydrogen produced by a nuclear reactor, I can hear Green heads exploding all over the planet!
      (Assuming that the story is true.)
      
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      July 27, 2025 3:33pm
      - peterwn
        
        It is quite feasible for a nuclear reactor to be used to provide the electrical energy to produce green hydrogen by electrolysis. So the nuclear reactor effectively provides the energy which is used in hydrogen fueled vehicles etc.
        
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        July 27, 2025 6:27pm
  - Burtland
    
    burning hydrogen produces water vapor – the largest GHG
    
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    July 27, 2025 10:55am
    - kowtow
      
      Indeed.
      
      We really need the political establishment to get behind a net water zero future. To save the planet.
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:59am
    - PurplePen
      
      Yes. It’s the one GHG the IPCC and their ilk ignore and decided not to do anything about.
      
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      July 27, 2025 8:55pm
  - Simon Arnold
    
    As you note h2 is just a energy carrier and needs to be judged in that light. Typically you are starting with something that is a fuel in its own right (electricity, fossil fuels, and biomass – that peterwn misses), the conversion losses are high and h2 is usually more difficult to handle.
    
    Best opportunities lie where you need the h2 molecule rather than an energy source. White h2 is worth looking for in this regard, though as I understand it Taranaki is some way down the list.
    
    So there are only limited situations in NZ where making h2 makes any sense. Usually the precursor is more useful and valuable. Hopefully Taranaki has other strings to it bow.
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:39pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itie0xsTEUA
Why are Thailand and Cambodia Fighting a War Over a Temple?
The neighbouring nations of Thailand and Cambodia have exchanged blows over a disputed border region ceded by the Kingdom of Siam to French Indochina in 1907. At its heart is an ancient temple, Preah Vihear, and a leaked phone call between the Thai Prime Minister and an erstwhile ally among the Cambodian elite.
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July 27, 2025 8:34am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlQevtUoFAM
DOJ Grants Maxwell ‘Immunity’.
She can speak freely about this stuff without being charged for more of the stuff if the information she has gets the others convicted then she could get a pardon then. [Lets assume 100 members of the donor class went to the island. They’d get privacy from the nosey peasanta, and networking opportunities. There’d be high class hookers, and drugs. About 10 of them would be abusing under age girls. So, there won’t be hundreds of names.]
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July 27, 2025 8:35am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Have you noticed the change around this in the media in the past 2 weeks? Firstly, they used Epstein to attack Trump. They haven’t exposed any high profile person that went to Epstein island but then got a sniff they could attack Trump so off they went. But that has now opened up the door, there were high profile people associating with Epstein on his seedy island. Who are these people? Now they have chosen Bill Clinton to be the next high profile person to expose.
  
  If the media was any good at its job they would have exposed Epsteins guests 5 years ago.
  
  Just another example of the media controlling the narrative, protecting those they want to protect and exposing those they don’t. The most rotten and corrupt entity in all of this filth is the media itself!
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:11am
  - sungsamning
    
    If.
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:35pm
- Paulus
  
  And I suggest then, and since, very well paid.
  It was suggetsed some yearz ago the the flight log showed Clinton on some 18 flights.
  Pilot training I suppose.
  
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  July 27, 2025 2:05pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360767304/was-our-dream-restaurateurs-fight-pub-haunts-his-street

“The new applicants, Jie Guo and Xinli ‘Lilly’ Xing, are the operators of an Albany pub, Fat Boy’s Tavern.
Xing says they have no association with the former owner, Samson Xin Xin, whose company Winland has since been liquidated.”

And so it continues. There is a pattern here, especially in Auckland. But we can’t offend our largest trading partner can we ?
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July 27, 2025 8:58am
- David Garrett
  
  So, it would seem obesity finally got fat boy…or perhaps just old age; he wasn’t really that fat
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:07am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360770520/one-aucklands-most-nostalgic-malls-turning-ghost-mall
What do they expect to happen, when the whole world has gone nuts over online shopping for rubbish ?
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July 27, 2025 9:03am
- peterwn
  
  Same with Queen Street. Planners and landscape architects were supposed to transform and enhance Queen Street but instead drove away pedestrians and shoppers. Now occupied by beggars (possibly more a lifestyle choice than necessity for at least some beggars) and druggies.
  A sobering thought – Sylvia Park and other modern malls will probably face decline over the years and start becoming ghost towns.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Exactly the same things has happened to George St Dunedin .
    
    Yet it’s the Green ex mayor’s pride and joy . A playground and beggar mecca with destroyed retail.
    
    “I’m proud of council’s efforts under my leadership to build a brighter future for Ōtepoti Dunedin and a more people-friendly CBD, and Ko to Tūhono is a potent symbol of that mahi.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/mayoral-portrait-nod-%E2%80%98special-moment%E2%80%99
    
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    July 27, 2025 9:27am
    - kiwimike
      
      whoda thought “Green Mayors”
      
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      July 27, 2025 4:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tauranga has done so much that nobody will go there, except Council staff to their new building.
    Many shops are unlettable as nowhere to stop or park, even for a few minutes.
    Why bother now to what was a nice place but no more – great malls outside though.
    Cycles – a dozen max are ok though, but they are getting careless as they own the road and paths, and shortly anothere one will be donged.
    There is as such no parking except in Council Parking buidings, and for special people.
    Thank goodness for Library bus to the suburbs, so no longer have any reason to go there.
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:14pm
- AitchW
  
  St Lukes is ancient. Might be time to knock it down?
  Westfield is a very demanding landlord. Lots of conditions which are often expensive to comply with.
  Their malls contain mostly big box retailers because smaller companies simply can’t afford to be there.
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:47am
  - peterwn
    
    The smaller shops are often run by large companies who have the skills and experience to deal with major mall owners. In USA Woolworth (no relation to the NZ, Australian or South African Woolworths) has transformed from dime store operators to a multiplicity of shop brands (eg Foot Locker I think). If a particular shop brand is not successful, they re-fit the shop to sell another brand in the stable. They have the skills to do this and to deal with mall owners. The mall owners love them because their shops in aggregate are successful (mall owners get a cut of the profits so want successful retailers).
    With St Lukes it is perhaps Westfield who needs to start pulling its socks up. By the way St Lukes is a 2000 year old highly successful brand, but Westfield do not seem to pay royalties to the Christian churches.
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:43pm
- Lance
  
  Parking sucks at St Lukes, getting in and out with the busy roads is also a PITA.
  There are many other easy to access malls and if you want high end, then Newmarket is probably better.
  I can see how the shop lessees could be a bit pissed off, ruinous rents and declining foot traffic due to substandard facilities.
  
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  July 27, 2025 3:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Radio NZ reports that the restriction on publicly funded contracts, introduced in 2022, that counsellers must have a degree in the subject has been lifted. During a mental health crisis, a number of counsellers with degrees in psychology & post grad certificates in counselling were unable to apply for this funding.

Predictably, no mention was made that another dumb decision by Labour has now been fixed by National.

The bias is palpable. How do these reporters sleep at night.
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July 27, 2025 9:08am
- AitchW
  
  Soundly, on a pile of PIJF cash….
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Pile of PIJF, still, !!!!
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:17pm
- artemisia
  
  What was the 2022 rationale for what looks like a stupid decision now? Who pushed (assume hard) for the change, and why? How do those 2022 politicians sleep at night?
  
  Questions, questions …
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:24am
Bridgenag

Woke Science and the White House
Doing what is right for science in America.

“Prominent scientists and experts, including those who testified before Congress, have stated that the paper meets the criteria for retraction due to “unreliable content” and the misrepresentation of the authors’ true scientific views at the time of publication. Nature has received petitions and thousands of retraction requests for this specific paper, but Nature Springer refuses to retract it. One has to wonder if this is because of its ties with China and the CCP.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/woke-science-and-the-white-house?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 27, 2025 9:08am
kowtow

Free speech wonks might be interested in a piece in yesterday’s Daily Telegraph ( UK) by Master of Selwyn College, Cambridge , Roger Mosey , titled “My chilling decade at the heart of the battle for free speech at universities”

Not sure , but prolly paywalled.
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July 27, 2025 9:12am
- Cassandra
  
  Extract: “As I prepare to step down from my role in September, the biggest lesson from more than a decade in Cambridge is about the peril of trying to impose conformity on a university whose driving force should be academic freedom. Britain needs universities to guarantee our future, and they cannot do that if they shackle themselves to the campaigns of the moment.”
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Try this
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/cambridge-universities-britain-free-speech/
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    Thank you for posting that , I assumed it would be paywalled but clearly not .
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:00am
kowtow

Trump has intervened quickly ,like he did in the India/Pakistan stoush , with Thailand/Cambodia to get a ceasfire going.

And he seems to be able to do that and visit his golf courses !

Any credit from the relentlessly sneering Late Night and other msm propagandists .

Creepy Joe would still be asleep with Jill letting affairs run on and on.
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July 27, 2025 9:21am
Swifty

Liam Dann is absolutely right:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568145/mediawatch-media-milking-butter-battle

New Zealand media people who have chased this butter issue recently are pathetic.

The economic problems we have are far bigger, broader and far, far more consequential than the price of a damn block of butter.

The real problem is that our average journo is too ignorant and incompetent to address them. It’s beyond them. That’s why they pick issues like butter prices to spend weeks writing about.

It’s all their simple minds can cope with.
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July 27, 2025 9:31am
- Philview
  
  I am not poor and I use margarine. I doubt very much that the poorest families are in crisis over just butter prices.
  
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  July 27, 2025 9:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I gave up using butter over 30 years ago for everything except pan-fried fish.
    
    Haven’t missed it at all – the canola oil-butter milk blends seem perfectly acceptable for all my baking and eating.
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:12am
    - Swifty
      
      Mashed spuds?
      Any veg purée?
      Toast and butter?
      A knob in a pan sauce for shine?
      
      Totally agree with you re pan-fried fish.
      
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      July 27, 2025 11:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nope, the blended oil-buttermilk works just dandy…
        and there’s been no complaints from my fussy hubby
        
        (He hates trying to spread butter on bread).
        
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        July 27, 2025 1:00pm
      - mogg
        
        Just one non of butter stired into a pasta dish just before serving, looks better, tastes better, you won’t regret it it.
        
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        July 27, 2025 1:02pm
      - mogg
        
        Mashed potato sandwiches with lashings of butter, guaranteed to keep out the Winter chills.
        
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        July 27, 2025 1:06pm
    - mogg
      
      God gave us butter so that we wouldn’t have to eat canola oil and margarine.
      
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      July 27, 2025 1:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    We have not use Butter for years, but use what we like being a plant based butter type.
    Butter for cake making if necessary.
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:19pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  A bit like the endless coverage of people sleeping in cars when National was last in government.
  
  A few years ago there was a private organisation monitoring NZ media bias, the methodology was quite clearly defined, and it was clear NZ has an issue with a heavy heavy left wing msm and badly biased.
  
  The legacy media is mainly a propaganda division of the left wing and globalist political establishment. The failure to deal with this by our current government is their greatest failure. Why can’t they legislate for balanced, unbiased reporting and actually monitor this? This doesn’t impact media independence as long as the measurements are objectively set. Failure to be balanced should result in financial penalties.
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:23am
  - Paulus
    
    “Its the same the whole world over “, as far as the media are concerned.
    It’s the rich what gets the gravy, its the poor what gets the blame – ain’t it all a bloomin shame”
    so what is new now ?
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:22pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Buttergate’ is an interesting saga .
  
  The media are plonkers but then Willis who should know butter , churned it up and gave the whole thing a sour taste and an unpleasant whiff , of populism , which is a surprise and a bit of a worry .But then is it .Really mixed messages.
  
  From her maiden statement ;
  
  “E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā rangatira, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou kua huihui, kia ora koutou katoa.
  
  My desire to better understand business led me to work for our largest cooperative. I wanted to experience the reality of managing a bottom line and of selling New Zealand’s products to the world and striving to maximise their value. Fonterra opened my eyes. I saw our country from new perspectives, from high-rises in Shanghai, trade offices in Jakarta, and a factory floor in Colombo. I saw that New Zealand had so much more to gain from embracing trade than we did from fearing it. We must remain open to the world, its markets, and its people.”
  
  That was 2018 , with a “mahi” thrown in , long before the Podium of Truth popularised it.
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:13am
- AitchW
  
  Fonterra is the perfect target for the envious left. A large, successful company owned by the farmers (cure boos from the left) who supply it.
  The left hates big business, but it seems that it hates small business even more! By beating up the price of butter they get to bash both at once.
  And for the Greens there is the added bonus that when a rational reasoned argument is put before them, then they can switch to their tired old hobby horse, and whine about farmers polluting the planet and exploiting their livestock.
  
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  July 27, 2025 3:39pm
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“It’s a massive step backwards. We can be proud to have Aotearoa, New Zealand on our passports. It has been there for decades, and no one has complained about it.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568121/tamaki-makaurau-candidate-peeni-henare-says-government-playing-silly-games

More outright lies from the man who would rule over us.
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July 27, 2025 9:40am
- R
  
  Pennies Henare, is a past member of an incompetent government that played hard and fast silly games, with our countries future; both economically and socially. Be warned voters!
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  Expect nothing less from Mr Militant , jacket , bugle gunman.
  
  But that rhetoric is OK , cos not a “rightie”.
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:14am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  If he is so confident then he would call for a referendum on the name of our country. He won’t do that will he?
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:14am
  - Paulus
    
    The name Aotearoa cannot be used without a legal change from a referendum.
    Tell that to the Speaker Brownlee – he should do his homework first
    
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    July 27, 2025 2:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      Speaker cannot ban the word from the house when it is used by the government. Speaker made the right call. If you don’t want it used in the house then the government need to stop using it.
      
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      July 27, 2025 2:26pm
      - kowtow
        
        I don’t believe the New Zealand geographic Board Act even contains the words “Aotearoa New Zealand”.
        
        In fact the act itself always uses the words New Zealand to describe the country and furthermore states ;
        
        ‘(3)
        
        However, the Board does not have jurisdiction to assign a name to, or alter the name of, New Zealand.’
        
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        July 27, 2025 2:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        The government does use it, it’s in legislation, it’s used all over their website, money, passports, government application forms. The only way the speaker can ban it from the house is when the government stops using it. Can’t say you can’t use a word in the house that the government uses all over the place.
        
        Btw, here is the Act
        
        Throughout the act is the Māori name of the geographic board, Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa
        
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        July 27, 2025 2:55pm
- Swifty
  
  “It’s concerning that the government isn’t focused on real issues hurting our people, the cost of living. It’s absolute silly games… from this government.”
  
  Good god, the coalition has done little else these last two years other than attempt to remedy the financial devastation wrought in New Zealand families by the last Labour government – including the massive increases in the cost of living resulting from Labour policies and actions.
  
  He really is a deceitful little man.
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:28am
  - mogg
    
    NZ house price inflation was 29% under Lab in 2021
    
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    July 27, 2025 12:58pm
    - Paulus
      
      I know I made a bomb on house price jumps from Ardern Robertson.
      They put something like $80 billion into the local atmosphere, and most of if will never be paid back.
      
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      July 27, 2025 2:27pm
Swifty

More violence by women:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiwi-family-speaks-after-uk-man-killed-by-wife-with-samurai-sword/YWEZYMJ22VGE3EJTUJU5TIDZAA/

Herald, you suck.

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July 27, 2025 9:43am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  A more accurate headline would be:
  
  Man-pretending-he-is-a-woman, stabs Man-pretending-his-wife-is-a-woman. Man-pretending-he-is-a-woman claims 50 stab wounds as self defence.
  
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  July 27, 2025 10:45am
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly.
    
    The Herald staff are making fools of themselves.
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:18am
    - Paulus
      
      So what’s new from the media ?
      
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      July 27, 2025 2:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    I should add that I’ve seen pics of these two arm in arm, and both dressed as women.
    
    It wasn’t just the ‘wife’ who dressed in women’s clothes.
    
    Perhaps the headline should have been ‘wife kills wife…’
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:41am
    - AitchW
      
      I haven’t read the article, but are two men pretending to be women married? How many ways do they want to be gay????
      
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      July 27, 2025 3:43pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

I’m just back from a week on a small tropical island (very pleasant, thanks) and have been puzzling since.

Why is there a suitcase shop at Wellington airport?
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July 27, 2025 10:30am
- OlderChas
  
  There’s also one (or used to be) at Auckland airport.
  
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  July 27, 2025 12:23pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Because the gun shop had their application denied?
  
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  July 27, 2025 2:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  Bit late to buy one, eh?
  
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  July 27, 2025 5:22pm
bc

The South Park guys are at it again. Will Trump take the bait? – of course he will!

Trigger warning: Contains extreme mocking of Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1xR3Xidq84&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afetnw70S04&rco=1
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July 27, 2025 10:43am
Ghost

Or people just don’t like her because she is just really crap at the job

So, there’s the man who feels threatened by you, because you represent the new world and conversely his own impending irrelevance (e.g. every bloke who ever hated Greta Thunberg).

There’s the man who wants to have sex with you, but thinks you’d reject him, so he rejects you first (oh, that’s fun – you should read my DMs).

And then there’s the men who hate women – and yet still want to have sex with them – so treat you with a mixture of loathing and thwarted longing that is hard to describe but instantly recognisable (I’ll point one out to you some time).

I’ve never figured out which of these is behind a certain man’s hatred of Tory Whanau.

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July 27, 2025 10:51am
- Eastlander
  
  Politics for the Women’s Weekly reader. When the minutiae of governance aren’t on your mental radar you can only interpret opposition through the lens of social dynamics. It’s why Ardern took the time in her memoir to draw attention to how much jewellery her detractor in the airport bathroom was wearing (‘Can you believe her? What a hoebag. So jelly of me’).
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:05am
Jack5

Never expected I’d read UK headlines like today’s in the Telegraph, one of Britain’s two most prominent conservative newspapers. Sometimes people call it the Torygraph :

Main heading:

Our police and Establishment have turned against us. The country is on the brink

Subheading:

People engage in street protests because they have given up on the whole democratic process

A couple of paragraphs from the article by Daniel Hannan that follows those headlines:

‘Asymmetric policing is turning the immigration fiasco into a crisis of state legitimacy. When people see officers protecting masked pro-immigration thugs outside asylum hotels, they conclude that the apparatus of the British state is being used to push an unpopular policy down their throats.

‘If it were a one-off, things might be different. But people in Essex know how woke their cops are. Their current Chief Constable, Ben-Julian Harrington, boasts that he is a champion of diversity, equality, and inclusion, and a “firm ally for LGBTQ+ communities.” A true ally would, of course, serve ethnic minority and gay people in Essex in the same way as he served everyone else, namely by protecting property. Instead, Essex Police have made 1,570 arrests under the Online Safety Act – more than one per day since that flawed law came into effect.’

Puts into perspective NZ immigration and our universities’ sale of a path to citizenship.
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July 27, 2025 10:55am
- mogg
  
  The pro-Palestine supporters/thugs in masks, are far left Antifa rent a mob intent on disrupting a lawful protest. The local police force were made to apologise for guiding them to the demo, where they caused the trouble. More to come with Starmer’s new definition of Islamophobia about to be passed into law, expect more Lucy Connollys.
  
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  July 27, 2025 12:50pm
  - kowtow
    
    There’s photos of the police actually bringing them in police transport to the riot !
    
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    July 27, 2025 1:28pm
Pineapple Lumps

Did anyone watch this weeks episode of “Eat well for less”?

The household consisted of a Mum and 17yr old son, and an adult son and his wife. They focused on the adult son and his wife. The format of the program is the chefs – Mike and Ganesh – observe the family grocery shop. Then they meet the family and pull apart how terribly they are shopping. In this instance the trolley was filled with chicken nuggets, lasagne toppers, southern style frozen chicken pieces, potato chips, 2 min noodles, fizzy drinks, a bag of potatoes. No fruit or vegetables. So pretty easy to critique.

They then show how much the family spend on groceries, takeaways and eating out. These guys weren’t eating breakfast, were buying from bakeries, fast food restaurants and takeaways for most meals. Total food bill was a whopping $79,000 a year! I couldn’t believe it, that is about $120k of earnings just going into food. What wasn’t clear with this family – who looked to be living in an Otara state house – was where their income was coming from.

These people were clearly eating themselves to death. They will be a burden on the health system and we will be beaten up for our racist health system when they die at a much younger age than they should.

I believe we would be better off if a basic food tech, home economics class was taught at schools. This was a compulsory subject when I went to school but has been removed from the curriculum. Maybe there should be classes that all beneficiaries have to attend. If people know how to grow some veges and cook nutritious meals they have a much better foundation to live from. The cost of this education would far outweigh the benefits!
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July 27, 2025 11:02am
- Swifty
  
  Colonisation destroyed their diet!
  
  It’s nothing to do with personal responsibility or personal choices!
  
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  July 27, 2025 11:30am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Colonisation destroyed their diet!’
    
    So true .
    
    Long pig , off the menu. That’s brutish colonialism right there.
    
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    July 27, 2025 11:54am
- AitchW
  
  P.L.
  Good idea in principle, but can you imagine the dietary requirements?
  Vegan
  Vegetarian
  Muslim
  Jewish
  Dairy intolerant
  Gluten intolerant
  Peanut allergy
  I’m sure there are lots more.
  By the time you’d catered for every dietary quirk you might be able to boil water.
  
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  July 27, 2025 3:48pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Fair point but not impossible to factor substitution into the teaching.
    
    What is harder to deal with is the fussy eater – often not helped when palate has been shaped by sugary, salty and fatty foods.
    
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    July 27, 2025 4:12pm
kowtow

Talking of the media and double standards.

I see Cambodian artillery has struck a Thai hospital.

Good thing the IDF aren’t involved , it would lead the nightly news and cause all manner of journalistic hyperventilation.

And in another “forgotten war” , what is it about Burma , the British 14 th Army was also forgotten, but I digress , I see reports of starving babies there too and that all the ngo’s have upped and gone , no aid and no one cares ……perhaps all their compassion is reserved for the festival murderers and their masters in Tehran.
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July 27, 2025 2:00pm
- Quail
  
  KT,
  Former NZ Governor General Bernard Fergusson could have told us all about that.
  His book” Beyond the Chindwin” was excellent on covering that campaign.
  He was there.
  
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  July 27, 2025 6:05pm
Ghost

100 people won’t be sleeping well tonight. Make that 98, the Clinton’s won’t be too bothered, 97, Biden probably doesn’t even know who Joe Biden is, let alone Epstein.

Maxwell answered questions from Justice Department officials about “100 different people” linked to late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell’s lawyer David Markus said.

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July 27, 2025 2:08pm
Ghost

Always sad to see how some people act when someone dies or is injured.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hulkamania-and-dark-decay-decency
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July 27, 2025 2:15pm
Swifty

Please see this from Willie Jackson.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etd4iLO6CwQ

(A speech he gave at the time of the Moriori treaty settlement)

Is there a more deceitful, duplicitous, gaslighting, two-faced person currently in our Parliament?

“I cannot be held responsible for the actions of my (Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga) ancestors.”

My god, the whole basis of the Maori grievance industry is holding current (and future) New Zealanders responsible for the actions of past New Zealanders.

Willie Jackson is ethically bankrupt. He holds others to standards he will not hold himself to.

He is an anti-leader. He is a poisonous influence in our body politic (but of course Iwi leaders love him as he transfers them large sums of taxpayer cash whenever he’s in government).
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July 27, 2025 4:19pm
- Ghost
  
  So what you are saying is Willie is your typical politician, do as I say not as I do.
  
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  July 27, 2025 4:23pm
  - kiwimike
    
    no GHOST
    He is typical of your Labour – Green Politician
    
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    July 27, 2025 4:40pm
    - Ghost
      
      Not really, Winston constantly says one thing and then latter does the opposite. The man helped pass legislation that created our woke public service, now he’s against it. Winston first supported the oil and gas ban, now he wants to reverse it.
      
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      July 27, 2025 4:49pm
      - AitchW
        
        I agree Ghost. Peters is a manipulative grifter.
        His mother was a Scottish immigrant, yet he rails against immigrants.
        He told us when installing Ardern that capitalism has failed, yet he grabbed a place in a National/ACT government with both hands.
        He’s a hypocrite and a narcissist.
        Sadly he will probably hold both sides to ransom at the next election.
        
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        July 27, 2025 5:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        More than likely. He’s already signaled to labour he is open if Hipkins isn’t leader.
        
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        July 27, 2025 5:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        Is this is how coalitions form in other countries with our type of representation?
        
        Do some parties move from Left to Right coalitions in countries with our type of Government formation?
        
        A few I can think of: Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Irish Republic, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland.
        
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        July 28, 2025 10:44am
Swifty

Scumbag.

The harm and damage potential here is huge.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/nzs-first-ever-sms-blaster-attack-was-orchestrated-from-china-with-help-from-auckland-teen/6ZQKJ4KWC5ANXGPMAVIFFNLZOM/

Punish them instantly deport. No ifs no buts.
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- AitchW
  
  Of course he knew what he was doing. Deport him and blacklist him and his family. We do NOT want thsi Chinese corruption here.
  
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  July 27, 2025 7:31pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Agreed. Pour encourage les autres.
  
  Nothing scares would-be migrants than deportation.
  
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  July 27, 2025 7:39pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Chenwei Zhang, 20…moved to NZ six years ago on a student visa.
  
  You can come here on a student visa at 14?
  
  That visa was set to expire in January.
  
  Cancel that visa now. Deport this “student” now.
  
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