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Cassandra

The US Government is considering a refugee admissions cap of around 40,000 for the coming year with a majority allocated to white South Africans, according to two US officials.

I’m opposed to racism but very much in favour of new arrivals adopting the ethos of their new country. Some immigrants never do that. White South Africans do. Europeans generally conform. Their children become Kiwis here and they’d be Americans in the US. My Chinese daughter in law, a second generation American, is 99% a Los Angeleno. Sensible move by Trump..
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August 16, 2025 8:38am
- artemisia
  
  And on that subject, Cassandra …
  
  What exactly is social cohesion and why does it need taxpayer funding? And if it gets taxpayer funding who will spend it, and on what? It’s pretty basic, what is the problem and how will taxpayer $$$ solve it.
  
  Ethnic leaders call for more resources for better social cohesion
  
  Problem examples offered in the article – social cohesion and health disparities polarisation, overt displays of racism, improved access to services, “providers who can… understand our culture”, “investment in to ensure that our people are not bullied”.
  
  Really? What does all that that actually mean apart from give us more OPM because?
  
  Seems Labour has the answer and is listening Hipkins said “the many faces of our community” needed to be reflected in the way services were being delivered such as health and education.
  
  New Zealand, a democracy that has always welcomed immigration, and expected general adherence to our values.. How sad if immigrants who choose to come need OPM to support their culture. And that social cohesion. Ethnic communities, how about your own whip round? It’s the Kiwi way.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/chinese/570143/ethnic-leaders-call-for-more-resources-for-better-social-cohesion
  
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  August 16, 2025 8:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hipkins did not say
    
    Hipkins said “the many faces of our community” needed to be reflected in the way services were being paid for such as health and education.
    
    Funny, that.
    
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    August 16, 2025 8:47am
    - R
      
      I have visited many countries, and observed many ethnicities. I have yet to observe a male or female, who is biologically different to me, apart from genitals. Different color often but this shouldn’t prevent them from integrating, learning new skills and as sometimes happens they marry a different ethnicity. OPM’S MONEY IS NOT REQUIRED, just the motivation to develope self discipline, and motivation.
      
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      August 16, 2025 10:25am
      - balanced
        
        FACT: Labour, greens, tribal leaders, and TPM aren’t interested in helping ordinary maoris because their income comes from exploitation of ordinary maoris.
        
        FACT: if the racist labour spin doctors really want to solve the maori problems they should stop enraging the simple minded with racist rhetoric, and support maori education / help to stay employed.
        
        Everyone will be happier if Luxons government can solve the lower iq, penchance for violence, Maori community’s social failures.
        
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        August 16, 2025 11:03am
    - Quail
      
      Sadly reflected means access to more and more taxpayers resources!
      How about just one law ( plus handouts ) for all New Zealanders?
      
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      August 16, 2025 6:14pm
  - Cassandra
    
    It was an interesting comment, by a prominent Moslem leader. I suspect her definition of social cohesion is not the same as mine. All over the world the man obstacle to social cohesion is Islam. Their way or the highway. Why, for example, move to France to build Little Algeria in Paris?
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:07am
    - rouppe
      
      Here’s the clue.
      
      improved access to services, “providers who can… understand our culture”, “investment in to ensure that our people are not bullied”.
      
      Translation:
      “We’ve come from a shit hole country, but now we’re here we want first dibs on the the free stuff and everyone else has to pay so that we can continue the practices that made our former homeland a shit hole. ”
      
      As the host country we already provide:
      * English as a second language teaching for you
      * access to social welfare
      * access to healthcare
      * access to schooling for your kids
      
      Tell me, what are you doing to show respect for our culture, and gratitude for sanctuary?
      
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      August 16, 2025 9:49am
      - Swifty
        
        Aside from refugees, I fail to understand why we allow immigrants with little or absolutely no English.
        
        Now all manner of govt departments and local councils, taxpayer-funded NGOs etc are required to spend millions annually in translation services.
        
        Insanity.
        
        It never used to be this way.
        
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        August 16, 2025 11:07am
      - Paulus
        
        No gratitude, just quick expectations.
        
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        August 16, 2025 11:12am
  - Swifty
    
    So what are we to think, that by definition some groups just do not fit in, or thrive, so New Zealand families must be taxed more to pay for ‘things’ to address this.
    
    Why are we importing people who cannot or will not fit in without all manner of special treatment?
    
    I’m a little surprised to see a rep from the Chinese community there – they’re not typically whingers for special attention.
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:24am
    - Paulus
      
      Don’t we already have people with all manner of special expectations ?
      Why do we accept more with similar thoughts ?
      
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      August 16, 2025 11:14am
      - artemisia
        
        That would be Great Expectations.
        
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        August 16, 2025 12:37pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe someone should tell them that if they feel uncomfortable they are welcome to repatriate to their spiritual homeland, and safe space, via the nearest airport.
    
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    August 16, 2025 11:17am
    - Paulus
      
      Where is Aotearoa Airport please !~
      
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      August 16, 2025 2:23pm
      - R
        
        The Aotearoa ethnics never developed aircraft, thus they never built airports; that’s why you can’t find such.
        
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        August 16, 2025 5:05pm
  - Handyman
    
    If you don’t speak English, and you don’t know anyone who does, what are you doing here?
    Keep dual signage and language for tourist or where it makes sense eg immigration services and customs. Otherwise stop producing every government and local body documents in 5 languages.
    
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    August 16, 2025 5:07pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Handyman you obviously are a very uncaring individual. /
      
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      August 16, 2025 10:17pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  If the Covid Commission of Inquiry is other than a whitewash it will find the Facist Fours (FF) actions were all about winning an election where they were facing a crushing defeat and all about command and control over the citizens. It was nothing about health. I bet the health advice was to protect the unhealthy and allow the healthy to go about their daily lives. But they would have meant not scaring the citizens witless from the Podium of Truth and telling them they would die if they didnt obey the Orders of the Day.
  The sad thing is that when not if we face another pandemic the citizens will ignore the same advice and in that case it may kill them. In that case their blood will be on the hands of the FF. May they rot in hell.
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:05am
  - balanced
    
    I agree laatmanstanding except.
    
    If the covid actions were purely to win an election, why did the ardern government go on to take so many actions they knew would cost them the next election:
    
    – supporting gangs by letting them out of jail, letting them write reports about themselves to stay our of jail, paying gangs milions to write reports about themselves, and hiring a commissioner advocating the stupid policing with consent mantra gangs loved?
    
    – giving the maori kings family prominence and millions of our tax money?
    
    – hiring thousands of consulants to work on projects which could never come to fruition (harbour tunnel, pumped hydro, mine reentry, etc.).
    
    – ignoring nzs pandemic plan then ruining the economy by spending $200b without identifiable benefit for taxpayers?
    
    The ardern governments lucky re-election turned their attention to other matters!
    
    An honest covid inquiry woild have let us know what their new motivation was.
    
    Shame on Luxon and his ministers for the cover up!
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:27am
    - Paulus
      
      How can the Ardern Government be called lucky
      52% of the voters voted for her – that is called a majority.
      And many would do again.
      
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      August 16, 2025 11:17am
      - peterwn
        
        She had two lots of luck:
        1. The Mosque mass murders in Christchurch.
        2. Covid.
        If it was not for these two events Labour would have been down the drain in 2020.
        
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        August 16, 2025 12:29pm
    - R
      
      What cover up??
      
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      August 16, 2025 7:24pm
  - pdm
    
    Facist Four lastman?
    
    Should that not be the Facist Five?
    
    Namely – Ardern, Robertson, Hipkins, Verrall and (the Saintly) Ashley Bloomfield.
    
    Or did I hear that Ashley Bloomfield had fronted the second enquiry at a Public Hearing?
    
    I am not sure.
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:41am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Bloomfield is off to the Great Wall of China as an “ambassador” for Barnardo’s NZ, to raise money for poor New Zealand children.
      What an absolute legend….
      
      Forget the foodbanks in Otara or Porirua, Ash is off on holiday to see the sights and get the photo ops.
      
      His trip after this is a walking tour of Swiss villages. What a hero.
      
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      August 16, 2025 10:04am
  - rouppe
    
    The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The 4 stooges
      
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      August 16, 2025 11:55am
      - Don Beckett
        
        The 4 dropkicks
        
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        August 16, 2025 12:17pm
- Wandering Star
  
  “I’m opposed to racism but very much in favour of new arrivals adopting the ethos of their new country.”
  
  What you mean, whether you understand it or not, is that White immigrants fit in to White nations better than others. And you are correct. And this “ethos” you note is derived from race, not from anything downstream of race.
  
  So, by the standards of what “racism” is supposed to denote, you are, in fact, a “racist” (in that you recognise race and the implications of racial difference). And you know what? That’s perfectly OK.
  
  Give something whatever label you like and attribute whatever motives to the person to whom you assign that label, but facts are facts while names are just labels.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not necessarily. I’m thinking some immigrants from Eastern Europe & Russia – countries with no great history of democracy, and recent civil wars – might not fit in all that well.
    
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    August 16, 2025 12:13pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      I’d much rather have Eastern Europeans and Russians arriving en masse than non-Europeans, because race is so very important. Besides, as I have pointed out before, “democracy” is a sham and isn’t what you think it is anyway, so I don’t care if the Russians and Eastern Europeans don’t come from historically “democratic” nations. Russia, for example, has never been a liberal society, yet it still has a rich history of achievement, cultural heritage and is a world power.
      
      In fact, look at Russia as a case study – 70 years of a brutal, radically revolutionary regime that tried to erase Russian history, yet Russia survived because it was never subjected to a program of radical demographic replacement. So too parts of Eastern Europe, many of which are today the principal holdouts resisting demographic replacement, holding onto their heritage and being unashamed of it.
      
      What does this show? That a highly homogenous European society can survive radically altered systems of governance and associated ideologies, but it will never come back from radically altering its foundations, which is its genetics.
      
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      August 16, 2025 3:11pm
  - Cassandra
    
    I quoted my Chinese DiL, Star, but then you don’t read the whole thing before attacking.
    
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    August 16, 2025 12:30pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      [Mod – debate the topics and drop the personal jabs]
      
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      August 16, 2025 3:03pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      How did I attack you? I agreed with you, in that some immigrants are preferable to others. However, I put it down to, fundamentally, genetics, while you put it down to a vague “ethos”, which is a much more acceptable in polite company, even though everyone knows deep down that race is fundamental. “Ethos” only gets you so far in explaining why the world is the way it is, but there’s a further step back from “ethos” to its well spring, which is genetics.
      
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      August 16, 2025 3:19pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Having a bunch of starkly different cultures within a country pulling in different directions is a recipe for chaos and societal break down.
        
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        August 16, 2025 10:29pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    History suggests there’s some truth in what you’re saying, but culture and religion are very important too. Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs are pretty much identical genetically. But which of the three is least likely to integrate into NZ society? And the same question can be asked about Muslim and Hindu Indians.
    
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    August 16, 2025 8:29pm
CJames

There is one those unpublicised events underway that will have major implications for NZ. It is the International Marine Organisation (IMO) push for a worldwide carbon tax on fuel used by ships. From 2028 onwards it is going to be US$380 a tonne, so that is serious money. Our shipping experts will know the consumption of fuel and how big the tax would be on overall costs. All going to the UN. There is no way to avoid the tax as “acceptable” fuels do not exist at anywhere near the quantities needed for even a tiny fraction of shipping. How is the Eastbourne electric ferry getting on? Wasn’t there also going to be one in Auckland?
They were trying to get it through by agreement. Trump has vocally said no. They will now try to get it through by a two-thirds majority. That is supposed to be in October. How is NZ going to vote?
Every man and his dog has railed against Trump’s tariffs. This will be another tariff that will materially affect New Zealanders. Where is the outcry? Why aren’t the media covering it? I can’t be bothered adding the sarc tag for the last question – it wasn’t even rhetorical.
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August 16, 2025 8:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ships. Grubby, smokey, mechanical, working man things. Not sleek, colourful and glossy, like screen stuff.
  
  No interest from the medja.
  
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  August 16, 2025 8:51am
  - PurplePen
    
    unless it’s a cruise ship.
    
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    August 16, 2025 6:48pm
- G152
  
  Be interesting as to how they deal with Russia and China
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:02am
  - gravedodger
    
    Simple they will be exempt!!?
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:40am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yes, China will claim to be a “developing country” as usual, and will skate, just like they have on every other climate “obligation” while being the worlds largest polluter.
      
      IMO is just following ICAO – you should see what we have already signed up to for aviation charges to protect us from the climate emergency – we have to move to a whole new – vastly more expensive (of course) fuel supply, or be taxed to buggery.
      
      Then they will come back for your cars and personal mobility.
      
      You will own nothing and be happy comrade!
      
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      August 16, 2025 9:52am
- Albie
  
  CJ, global shipping contributes to approximately 3% of the greenhouse gas emissions pa. Assuming you are of the belief all greenhouse gases are bad and must be eliminated, which I am afraid many people still do, I could see the point if there was a real problem and the money was going to develop alternative fuels and technology. We know it won’t of course, it will just end up in a big UN slush fund.
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:04am
- AitchW
  
  If the IMO succeeds in its ambition to levy a tax on marine fuel who would collect it? Where would it go? Would it be used for climate protection or simply be tipped into the ravenous and corrupt UN?
  I’m pretty sure that would be no benefit to ship owners and operators.
  IMO should stick to making international shipping safe and reliable and leave the climate scam to the climate scammers.
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:14am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Oh, I think we can guarantee it will all be spent.
    those “expert studies” supporting green “investments don’t write themselves you know.
    
    Is there a single green “investment” that has washed its face. NZ has a whole green investment fund – I believe it has gone bust – another Ardern innovation!
    
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    August 16, 2025 12:55pm
- wairarapapaul
  
  If we to export use say 700,000 tonnes a year x $380 USD per tonne is approx $450 million NZ. That’s just the cost to us of exports. Then we have the price rises for that cost on imports approximately the same + profit added on to costs = maybe the same amount again. All chatgpt approximate figures, so grain of salt needed.
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:20am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Good research, CJ. In a worst case scenario a 40 foot reefer from Tauranga to the Middle East could face an increase in shipping rates of over 50%. That would seriously cripple our exporters and the economy.
  
  It is absolute lunacy and should be fought tooth and nail by our government. Ships have no alternatives.
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:24am
- Stu2
  
  What about jet fuel?
  
  The length of our supply lines and tourism trade leave us exposed to emissions charges.
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:09pm
- Stu2
  
  Reuters reported this “Under the scheme, from 2028 ships will be charged a penalty of $380 per metric ton on every extra ton of CO2 equivalent they emit above a fixed emissions threshold, plus a penalty of $100 a ton on emissions above a stricter emissions limit”
  
  Doesn’t look like a blanket $380
  
  Bigger container ships are more fuel economic per container, but we don’t move enough to get the big ones
  
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  August 16, 2025 3:43pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360788850/9yo-among-those-seeking-help-homeless-youth-talk-about-dangers-life-streets
Where are the parents, extended families and foster service providers of these very young children living on the streets?
Who is claiming the benefit money for them?
Taxpayers fund benefits and give them out to adults to look after their dependent children.
Don’t the social welfare authorities ever check up on who is actually claiming and spending the money set aside for this?
Children as young as 9 and 11 have no business living on the streets like stray dogs – and at the mercy of drug addicts, criminals, pimps and crazies.
Defund the “parents”.
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August 16, 2025 8:41am
Chuck Bird

No pay wall. They just put one on.

Covid-19 inquiry: Kiwis disagree with Jacinda Ardern, Chris Hipkins not fronting public hearing, poll results show

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-inquiry-kiwis-disagree-with-jacinda-ardern-chris-hipkins-not-fronting-public-hearing-poll-results-show/NSAJAJYI7NBMROJULXP2Y6XWQ4/
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August 16, 2025 8:42am
- artemisia
  
  Centrist is doing a good job with summaries of paywalled items. This one from the Herald on the Sutherland review of RNZ.
  
  https://centrist.nz/rnz-warned-its-flagship-station-losing-touch/
  
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  August 16, 2025 8:56am
Chuck Bird

The Dow reached a new high, but did not close on it.
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August 16, 2025 8:45am
- imalwaysright
  
  I did that once.
  
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  August 16, 2025 12:38pm
Tomtoddy

There is plenty of discussion flying around that Luxon is fixated on trying to please Auckland’s young voters including West Auckland solo mothers, on the basis that he can convince them to vote National at the next election. He’s dreaming. If that’s a result of polling and focus groups, he should get a new polling company.

It explains his softly, softly on Māori and Pacific island issues. He needs to have a cold shower and consider the growing number of rural voters who are becoming more anxious by the day over the Coalition’s pussyfooting around on economic issues, government expenditure, numbers of public servants, ferries, education, Maorification, and more. For any young Aucklander he picks up he is in danger of losing 2 or 3 rural voters.

But, then, I am not a consultant, or a comms rookie just out of university, or a polling expert. What would I know?
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August 16, 2025 8:50am
- balanced
  
  Losing rural voters to Labour…. Yeah Right!
  
  Rural voters learnt their lesson with their unbelieveably stupid support for Ardern in the covid election.
  
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  August 16, 2025 9:02am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    What made you think they would go to Labour. They may stay home or vote for another party.
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:10am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Vote for Act.
      
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      August 16, 2025 9:22am
      - balanced
        
        Chuck. I posted on kb before the election that despite the vital need for the tow principles referendum (before the next clark advised labour government takes power) i would be voting for national because they have much better managerial talent.
        
        Ministerial results have proved me to be correct.
        
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        August 16, 2025 11:21am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Currently my local safe National MP is not getting my vote (neither is Labour).
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:22am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then you get Labour in the safe seat, well done
      
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      August 16, 2025 11:57am
  - MCōs
    
    There’s probably not a lot of ‘rural’ voters. That is people who live out in the country
    However there are plenty of regional and affluent voters, which is where the Nats are traditionally strongest
    Right now the cities are in the doldrums and that’s a large proportion of the voters.
    
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    August 16, 2025 10:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Rubbish, there is more than 40000 working farms, most have a wife or partner, many have voting age children, and there are several staff working and living on farm and that is not counting a huge amount of farm managers and their families
      
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      August 16, 2025 11:59am
      - Quail
        
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        It is long over time that you and NZ wakes up!
        The farmers and farming you talk of and their infrastructure has been in severe decline for decades.
        70 million sheep now 20 million and still declining.
        Pork producers are nett importers. Meat exporters selling out to Irish company’s , and some just closing. Etc etc
        Manufacturing barely exists apart from tDairy.
        Timber companies folding because electric energy is not available to process product .
        Many rural residents get their incomes from the city .
        Actual farming is struggling .
        They vote accordingly!
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        August 16, 2025 9:28pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      There are n many hundreds of thousands who live OUTSIDE the country. That’s the real disaster that National, other political parties and much of the general public still don’t recognise or want to rectify.
      
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      August 16, 2025 1:57pm
      - MCōs
        
        At the last election there were 77k overseas special votes — about 2.7% of all votes
        https://electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2023/statistics/party-sdv-by-electorate.html
        
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        August 16, 2025 4:22pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Not that I voted that way but I’m aware of one dairy farmer with several thousand cows who did – and gets teased about it at every dairy company meeting.
    
    But let’s face facts in hindsight; National were dead and a Labour-Green coalition government would have been worse than solo-Labour, who certainly screwed us over with their incompetence and spending but were too useless to implement anything that couldn’t be dismantled by National. I’m not so sure that would have been the case had the Greens had their head.
    
    Usual politics: the least worst choice, although I am partial to the smartass in the States years ago, looking at, IIRC, Bush v Kerry and saying the problem wasn’t dealing with choosing the lessor of two evils but the evil of two lessors.
    
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    August 16, 2025 9:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Trying to persuade young West Auckland solo mothers to vote for him is a daydream.
  Many if not most cannot read or write being products of our Education system.
  Are they even on a electoral role, or is that too difficult as it incurs writing, despite it being within the Law to be registered ?
  All he can do is ensure that they get more money somehow with the understanding that they will vote for him
  Stop dreaming !
  They do not care a damn only how much.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:25am
NeverMindTheBollocks

“Remember when having women in power was supposed to change everything? The careers of Sturgeon, Merkel and Ardern show how foolish it is to idealise leaders just for being women“.

Poor old [Mod – use her proper name]. Even the Guardian have abandoned her.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/15/nicola-sturgeon-angela-merkel-jacinda-ardern-women-in-power
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August 16, 2025 8:59am
- Philview
  
  We are now in an age of strong man politics. While kindness is nice, weakness soon gets pushed aside by strength.
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:31am
- Don Beckett
  
  Woman like Jacinda, Angela etc………..NO.
  Woman like Thatcher & Meloni………YES.
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:37am
- Notsofast
  
  Merkel and Ardern famous for banning nuclear and gas and thus importing gas and coal respectively.
  Sturgeon famous for being thick.
  JK Rowling was asked if there was anything she liked about her book, and managed “the page numbers are sequential.”
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:25am
  - MCōs
    
    Not so fast there.
    Ardern didn’t ban gas. Gas exploration was banned.
    She didn’t ban nuclear.
    Nuclear energy isn’t banned in NZ
    In 1984, Prime Minister David Lange banned nuclear-powered or nuclear-armed ships from using New Zealand ports or entering New Zealand waters and nobody has repealed the legislation
    
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    August 16, 2025 1:13pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I would suggest that banning any further exploration or development of gas supplies is an effective ban.
      
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      August 16, 2025 2:06pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Ardern didn’t ban gas. Gas exploration was banned.
      
      Future Labour PM: “We’ve banned importing coal for the Huntly power station”
      
      MCōs: “That doesn’t mean they’ve closed the Huntly power station”
      
      FFS.
      
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      August 16, 2025 9:33pm
BeaB

With Labour’s dismal record of reckless over-spending, the shameful refusal to appear publicly before the Royal Commission and the incredible ineptitude of too many spokespeople like Willow-Jean Prime, one would think the party had no hope at all of returning to government. Add to this the astonishing interview with Peeni Henare this morning on RNZ when he made wild and inaccurate accusations such as the changes to NCEA being deliberately designed to crush Māori. If these are commonly held views within Labour rather than nasty politicking, then we really would be in trouble with a Labour government. I never saw him as a deranged fanatic but that is how he sounded. How many more are there like him?
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August 16, 2025 9:29am
- Paulus
  
  It is the supportive scum media who are supporting Henare that the rest of us are crushing Maori.
  This is not true, but we are getting tired of being told so to create social disturbance against the 85% population, who really do not care a damn, and get rid of Luxon first.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Can they tell us just how a better education system crushes Maori? What a crock of bullshit that is, same with not being able to sign up to vote on election day, how does that hamper Māori?
  
  I see the Curia poll that broke over their non attendance to face public scrutiny of Covid is very damaging to Labour, only 28% of them agree they did the right thing, interesting TPM voters were on the side of the coalition’s voters, and 38% I think it was if Labour voters think it is wrong, right there is where the election will be lost
  
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  August 16, 2025 12:05pm
Swifty

“Earlier in the day, the Taliban leader had said God would severely punish Afghans who were ungrateful for Islamic rule in the country, according to a statement.

Akhundzada, who is seldom seen in public, said in a statement that Afghans had endured hardships and made sacrifices for almost 50 years so that Islamic law, or sharia, could be established. Sharia had saved people from “corruption, oppression, usurpation, drugs, theft, robbery, and plunder”, he said.

“These are great divine blessings that our people should not forget and, during the commemoration of Victory Day, express great gratitude to Allah Almighty so that the blessings will increase,” Akhundzada said in comments shared on X.

“If, against God’s will, we fail to express gratitude for blessings and are ungrateful for them, we will be subjected to the severe punishment of Allah Almighty,” he said.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/15/celebrations-anniversary-taliban-afghanistan-kabul-flower-shower

I just cannot find the words at times to convey my loathing and contempt for Islam – a totalitarian ideology designed by men, masquerading as a religion, to dominate and control the world and all who inhabit it.
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August 16, 2025 9:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Peter Williams listened to Morning Report, RNZ for about 30 mins yesterday.

He provides a critique of what he heard and it’s a damn good summary of what I heard, too.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/08/peter-williams-remember-what-r-in-rnz.html

I don’t agree with all his suggestions of how to inject life and gravitas back into the show, but I suspect he’s on the right track.
Is anyone at RNZ listening?
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August 16, 2025 9:56am
- rouppe
  
  There’s also a segment on RNZ in this Ryan Bridge piece.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/scathing-rnz-review-released-air-nz-safety-videos-and-stuff-strike-action-looming/OSVKQHJTVZB66ECRWSRKYPMAW4/
  
  By the way, it says that Stuff journalists are voting to strike. Will we notice?
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:04am
- AitchW
  
  Wow. Very far from a ringing endorsement. Time for a new board at RNZ! Will the minister read this article and consider its recommendations?
  Or were the minister to appoint a new board would the predictably boring and negative left simply whine for days about political interference?
  To the first question, probably not.
  To the second, oh good yes!
  Perhaps the minister could consult the opposition broadcasting spokesman. Unless, of course, it’s still Wiremu Jackson….
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:12am
- Swifty
  
  With regard to Williams’ comment about RNZ Board membership changes, I recall Richard Griffin being quoted back in the Bolger days as being exasperated that Board changes he oversaw had made not a jot of difference at RNZ – they remained a lefty love in.
  
  That was thirty years ago. It has been tried before and failed.
  
  It needs to go.
  
  It remains quite unconscionable that approximately half of New Zealanders are forced to fund a Labour Party support unit, against their wishes and political leanings.
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:28am
  - AitchW
    
    The end result is that only the woke and deluded left listen to RNZ. I honestly couldn’t tell you when I ever listened to it.
    
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    August 16, 2025 11:06am
- Paulus
  
  No damn way !
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:31am
Scooter

I saw a great slogan on X on Ardern “A different kind of Cower”. In some ways she might get away with hiding as she is no longer in power or living in NZ and indeed resigned from being PM so from there thumbed her nose at NZ. Good riddance. However Hipkins and Verral are another matter, he is campaigning to be the next leader of NZ and possibly Verral the next Health Minister. That they won’t front in public to the Royal Commission shows that they have no integrity, no understanding of accountability. They are basically showing they don’t trust the investigation and actions of the Royal Commission. He and her are not fit to stand in the next election.
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August 16, 2025 10:05am
- Swifty
  
  I agree.
  
  Hipkins and Verrall have given New Zealanders the big finger this week.
  
  They are saying quite clearly that they regard themselves as above us.
  
  Highly lamentable.
  
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  August 16, 2025 10:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What’s worse is Hipkins said the public paid for these fools to get advice from Dentons to avoid scrutiny
    
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    August 16, 2025 12:07pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      On the Hosking interview there was an odd exchange when Hipkins informed Hosking about a court suppression order preventing both of them and everyone else from discussing something.
      
      Both seemed to hurriedly move on.
      
      Does anyone know what this is about ?
      
      Hipkins: “… when the court issues a suppression order then you can’t talk about it….
      …There are issues relating to the safety of individuals around the covid 19 response…and the suppression order says no one can talk about it…”
      
      What suppression order ?
      
      Here’s the interview. The quoted text starts at about 7 minutes in:
      https://centrist.nz/hipkins-squirms-as-taxpayer-funded-lawyers-tell-labour-not-to-front-covid-inquiry/
      
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      August 16, 2025 12:58pm
      - greybeard
        
        I heard that too. As nobody has mentioned it anywhere else I can only assume that it was more bullshit from Hipkins to try to justify his and the others’ non-appearance.
        
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        August 16, 2025 4:45pm
      - Scooter
        
        I found that very interesting as well, is it one of those “super” suppression orders that it’s not even allowed to be said there’s a suppression order aka Jevon McSkimming which had been overturned.
        
        Is that why they only answered questions in private? Did they lawyer up so they could get out of answering the difficult ones and is that the real reason why Hipkins was only interviewed for an hour. Did the lawyers block most of them?
        
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        August 16, 2025 4:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        If you go to copilot and ask it about court suppression orders relating to Covid in nz there are a few cases
        
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        August 16, 2025 5:06pm
- R
  
  They have no ‘moral compass’, but then I guess such would be expecting a bit much from them.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:06am
- Paulus
  
  No, I want little Chippy to remain Leader of Labour for a long time.
  As for Verrall she is another picture of New Zealand and where it has gone, with as an example of what we are all to want – like her lifestyle.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:34am
waikatosinger

With Trump declaring federal authority over DC, there is a possibility that we might see a grand experiment of sorts.

DC, as all know, has the toughest gun control legislation in the entire US and a crime rate that rivals other Democrat controlled hellholes like Chicago. So … what if Trump were to allow concealed carry in DC. He might need the help of Congress to do that, but Republicans control it so that is not impossible.

What do you think would happen? I predict that the crime rate would drop. I might be wrong. But whatever happens, it would certainly be very informative for the gun debate in the US.
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August 16, 2025 10:22am
- MCōs
  
  Washington DC and Chicago aren’t even in the top ten.
  I’d always thought they were pretty violent places and parts of them are, but overall those cities, while not wonderful are well down the list
  https://www.security.org/resources/most-dangerous-cities/
  
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  August 16, 2025 1:27pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    I wonder how accurate the Los Angeles figure is – Dem controlled cities have a history of diminishing crime stats.
    Also, curious to know how it stacks up against our cities ?
    
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    August 16, 2025 2:11pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Interesting. I never knew Memphis was such a violent place. I last visited there 20 years ago and it didn’t seem particularly bad then. Conversely Chicago seems to be much better than I remember it being. I guess my perceptions are out of date and I need to update myself. In particular I was surprised to find out that Chicago allows concealed carry. I did not know that.
    
    The statistics you point to are diluted by property crimes where standards for reporting are quite variable. Even in the category of violent crime it can be unclear what is included and what is not.
    
    If you focus purely on Homicides, which is the most violent of crimes and also the most unambiguous, then DC looks a lot worse, coming 4th after only Memphis, St Louis and Baltimore.
    
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    August 16, 2025 2:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that parts of the South Island were formally joined to Australia?

And because parts of the South Island, much to my surprise, were formally joined to Australia, the place is riddled with minerals potential.

– Shane Jones, Oral Question #10, 14 August 2025.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20250814_20250814_16

Seems someone in the Hansard office doesn’t know the difference between formally and formerly.
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- Paulus
  
  To be in Hansard office implies a New Zealand so called Education.
  
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  August 16, 2025 11:35am
Notsofast

“I lost the appeal and I am still under a 2 year apprehension of violence order for identifying a male in a female soccer team.

I have never named him, met him or asked others to target him.

But I guess if they can redefine the word “woman” why wouldn’t they redefine the word “violence”? ”

Australia today. Many want this sort of crap in New Zealand.

https://x.com/KirralieS/status/1956244377619325052?t=MEYDaEhyvdvKr3_Unis7Dg&s=19

I hope she finds the sane crowd here.
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August 16, 2025 10:25am
Observant Octagenarian

Here in Australia, just after recognition of the end of WW2 80 years ago, they are lamenting the loss of the word ‘mate’.
It is being replaced with ‘dude’, ‘bro’ and other abbreviations adopted from cellphone social media.
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August 16, 2025 10:32am
Paulus

You know why the word Mate can no longer be used because it is said
“What do Mates do”
They f….
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August 16, 2025 11:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In Te Reo, mate = death.
  
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  August 16, 2025 1:07pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Ka mate, ka mate – ka ora, ka ora. 🙂
    Good old Te Rauparaha.
    
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    August 16, 2025 2:15pm
Skippytony

Another warning…..

https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/power-bill-crisis-here-stay-few-years
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August 16, 2025 11:50am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360792200/kiwis-are-eating-out-more-particularly-few-major-centres

If this is true, then why does every day bring another report about some longtime restaurant or cafe closing down because business is crap ?

Maybe if we are told that we are eating-out more then we will actually do so.
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August 16, 2025 11:50am
Philview

I read an article on LinkedIn by Sir Ian Taylor called ‘Erica Stanford is not a racist’. Sir Ian was responding he said to a media headline ‘Erica Stanford is a racist’. I am not sure where he saw that headline but the journalist had beef about the exclusion of Maori words in early learning books. Sir Ian did research and found English and Maori books will be just that and not combined into the same books. Some of the comments underneath the article were disheartening with educationalist types in full Marxist type language attacking the Government. We can just see the sorts of people who have influence over education and how do we fight back against them?
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August 16, 2025 12:27pm
- Yvette
  
  Philview – We can just see the sorts of people who have influence over education and how do we fight back against them?
  
  Are Maori words and vowel sounds helping compound child illiteracy?
  
  The Ministry’s explanation is rooted in the mechanics of phonics-based reading instruction, not necessarily in cultural or political intent—though perception is another matter entirely.
  
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  On “not fitting the sequence” When schools teach children to read by sounding out words (synthetic phonics), the order in which letters and sounds are introduced is highly deliberate. Early reading books—like At the Marae—are meant to reinforce only the sounds the children have already learned. If a word contains a sound (or sound combination) not yet taught, it’s considered “out of sequence” because:
  • Children are asked to read something they cannot yet decode with their current toolkit.
  • Teachers must either tell them the word (breaking the independent decoding flow) or children guess from context (which phonics proponents say undermines skill-building).
  This isn’t limited to Māori; even unfamiliar English words or foreign names might be excluded from very early readers for the same reason.
  
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  Māori syllables vs. English Māori words tend to be built from a smaller, consistent set of phonemes:
  • Every syllable ends in a vowel.
  • There are no consonant clusters (like “str” or “spl” in English).
  • There are only five vowel sounds, each with long and short versions.
  By contrast, English has:
  • Many consonant clusters (e.g., “strengths,” “black”).
  • Closed syllables ending in consonants (e.g., “cat,” “milk”).
  • Vowel sounds that vary wildly in pronunciation (“a” in “cat” vs. “cake”).
  Ironically, this means Māori phonotactics are more regular than English—once you know the sound-symbol mapping. But for a child being taught English phonics in English order, encountering an early Māori word may still present an obstacle because:
  • The letter-sound correspondence may not yet be taught (especially vowel digraphs like “wh” in Māori as /f/ in some dialects).
  • The rhythm and length of Māori words can be unfamiliar—three or more open syllables in a row.
  • Teachers may be relying on English sound rules, which don’t apply cleanly.
  
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  The irony and the tension From a pure literacy-structure perspective, the Ministry might be saying: “We want books in the first few months to only contain sounds taught so far.” But from a cultural-lens perspective, that easily becomes: “We’re excluding Māori words from early reading,” which has strong historical resonance given earlier suppression of te reo Māori in schools – at, reputedly, the request of some Maori elders of the time.
  
  If you put the two side by side, it’s a clash of instructional sequencing logic and historic-cultural trauma (or drama)
  
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  The greater irony
  Government Funding for Te Reo Māori in 2024, Approximate Total NZ$ 178 million
  Ask those complaining if they know what $178 million was spent on and how they would rearrange that without increasing it.
  
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  August 16, 2025 1:37pm
  - greybeard
    
    Instead of including token maori words and phrases in New Zealand’s English curriculum schoolbooks it would make much more sense to include French, Italian, Spanish , Celtic, Nordic and German ones. These are the ancient languages which contribute to what we know as modern English.
    N’est-ce pas ? Ja, gut !
    
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    August 16, 2025 3:57pm
- Phronesis
  
  If Sir Ian doesn’t watch himself he risks being “the wrong sort of maori”.
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:13pm
- rouppe
  
  I go back to the fact that many other cultures present in nz manage to keep their language alive without it being in the school curriculum.
  
  There is nothing stopping Maori keeping their language alive. By Maori, for Maori and all that.
  
  School is to prepare children for life in a modern world. In the years 1-7 at school that is the establishment of English, maths and science. It’s just a fact.
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:35pm
  - greybeard
    
    “I go back to the fact that many other cultures present in nz manage to keep their language alive without it being in the school curriculum. “
    Not only that, but they all do it without extorted taxpayer funding, obsequious fawning by media people, over-exposure at sporting events, at international meetings and to be honest in every other facet of life in 2025 New Zealand.
    And they get better overall educational results too.
    
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    August 16, 2025 3:51pm
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      Quite right.
      
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      August 16, 2025 4:48pm
Swifty

A few weeks ago I read a quote from someone that has been playing on my mind.

It was bemoaning the fact that, over time, western society has replaced the word ‘achievement’ with the word ‘privilege’.

I think there’s some real truth to that – ‘success’ is now something to be embarrassed about or contrite for, and financial success always underserved and the result of some injustice to others.

It is all the result of some ‘privilege’ or another.

I can think of few more malignant and cancerous ideologies than this.
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August 16, 2025 12:50pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Cancerous Socialism. Where everyone is made to feel guilty for the wealth they have earned or created, so that the looters can steal that wealth.
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Agreed.
    
    And I don’t mean to focus only financial success – now it seems that if you have good health or a good job or are operating a nice little business you are ‘privileged’ and owe it all to others – instead of it being the result of frequently decades of commitment and sacrifice and effort.
    
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    August 16, 2025 3:24pm
MCōs

Personally I think cancelling the Cook Strait ferries instigated by the Labour/NZF government was a mistake. Sure there was a cost blowout, but the actual cost of the ships was fixed. The problem was the infrastructure at Wellington and Picton for whatever reason, but at least that would have been money that for the most part would have remained in circulation in NZ; providing employment to people who might now have left the country.
Instead a whole lot of money, how much I don’t understand, has disappeared into the ether and there are no ferries, either new or used, on the horizon
The trip across Cook Strait is an essential part of our transport network plus it could be a first class tourist attraction. On YouTube there are numerous clips about trains, buses and ferries around NZ by highly impressed tourists. I saw one about the Cook Strait ferry and how marvelous the trip was except the coffee machine was broken. Seemed to sum up the budget attitude of the government right now.
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- Don Beckett
  
  My understanding is that the ships were too big & unsuitable to navigate our confined waterways in the Sounds, and they weren’t going to be available till 2029. Even though it has cost – according to Labour which I guess they have embellished the number – $671 million, I wonder how a confrontation on their waste of billions of dollars – not millions – would go down.
  Waiting for the govt. to respond – waiting – waiting…..
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:22pm
  - Philview
    
    I have read a reasonable sum was going to local Iwi. I don’t know if that is part of the $671 million or money now saved.
    
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    August 16, 2025 2:47pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Picton Harbour Master had not given his permission for the vessels to use Tory Channel and in bad weather it would have been dangerous.
    
    What was needed was a good basic ferry, what Interislander wanted was all the bells and whistles and few more as well, PLUS an open cheque book for the terminals.
    
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    August 16, 2025 4:24pm
    - R
      
      “what Interislander..” actually it was what Labour party wanted as a catalyst for heaps of applause to be awarded to them by a confused minority. Looking ahead to the 2029 election, by which year they would have completley destroyed the NZ economy . A smoke screen to divert attention and give them a legacy project
      
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      August 16, 2025 5:49pm
  - AitchW
    
    Winston Peters is involved. He’ll make the discussion as convoluted as possible. The sooner he leaves politics the better for New Zealand. I’m sick of the Great Charlatan.
    
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    August 16, 2025 5:45pm
- rouppe
  
  The ships were huge. I read that they were too big to turn around at picton.
  
  I also read that Tory Channel might not be navigable in bad weather.
  
  There have been attempts at a catamaran on that route that were effectively scuppered because the wash from them was bigger than that allowed by the Marlborough harbour master. What would the wash be for a ship that large that can barely fit in the channel?
  
  There were several issues with that iRex contact, and they weren’t all money.
  
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  August 16, 2025 2:31pm
- AitchW
  
  Any ships needing billions of dollars of port upgrades are ridiculous.
  
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  August 16, 2025 5:46pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Just a thought, maybe our resident marine experts might be able to comment. I wonder if the upsized infrastructure would have made the port unusable for Bluebridge? It would have been a great way for Kiwirail to eliminate the competition.
    
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    August 16, 2025 7:52pm
Ghost

No, it’s vandalism, not art

Article

A Kāinga Ora tenant extensively graffitied the interior walls, doors and heatpump at his property with writing and drawings, including of skulls and a bulldog, and refused to remove it, claiming it was artwork.

Don’t know why you’ve even gone to the media with the amount of damage you have done to that property.
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Swifty

“Punish and ostracise the Jews! Reward the terrorists!”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/570172/nationwide-pro-palestinian-protests-call-on-government-to-sanction-israel

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- greybeard
  
  “Six million Jews. Never again”.
  What is it about that statement that they don’t understand ?
  
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  August 16, 2025 7:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Like the modern communists who believe the Soviet Gulags were just made up “bourgeois” propaganda (yes I’ve met some young NZ geniuses from the cult of communism who think this), there are also the modern day Nazi-atrocity deniers who seem to have formed a cult around this via the dark corners of the internet.
    
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    August 16, 2025 10:43pm
Ghost

Flights seen circling around New Zealand, passengers told ‘airspace closed’

Strange
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- Ghost
  
  The Civil Aviation Authority says it is unable to confirm details.
  
  “We are currently in communication with Airways to gather information,” a spokeswoman said.
  
  “When I have it available, I will be able to update you – I am unable to give you a timeframe, but will share as soon as I can.“
  
  Nz herald
  
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  August 16, 2025 6:46pm
  - Ghost
    
    In an email to affected passengers on a cancelled Air New Zealand flight tonight, the airline told affected passengers the aircraft was turned back due to an air traffic control outage in the lower half of New Zealand, Stuff reported.
    
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