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Chuck Bird

Below is the state of an email to a number in the media. I hope it helps hold the four to account to the public and the taxpayer.

“I am writing to you and others about former ministers refusing to be held to account for the vicious things Ardern did to people, as well as putting people’s lives at risk and spending far more than necessary.

I am basing my opinion on qualified economists, smarter and more importantly, more articulate than me. They are Martin Lilly and Don Brash.

Below is a link to a video where Martin Lilly is interviewed.

https://rcr.media/episodes/martin-lally-retired-economist-nzs-covid-response-fear-forecasts-and-the-missed-balance

The second is an article Brash wrote in October 2021.

GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING SOME PRETTY SHONKY ADVICE ON THE PANDEMIC”

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/government-has-been-following-some-pretty-shonky-advice-on-the-pandemic
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August 24, 2025 8:07am
- Ghost
  
  That’s an incredible useless email.
  
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  August 24, 2025 8:12am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Why?
    
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    August 24, 2025 8:17am
    - igm
      
      Why? That depends on whether one is a Labour sycophant and not been affected by their vile calculated decisions.
      
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      August 24, 2025 8:23am
    - BananaLlama
      
      NZ media hate Don Brashes guts. No worries though your taxes will keep propping them up.
      
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      August 24, 2025 8:48am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Well my opinion… Those who you sent it to will delete it within 2 seconds of glancing at it.
      
      Secondly, such a letter needs to contain self contained compelling arguments. You can’t just say ‘My experts are smarter than Jacinda’s experts’ and provide a link to Don Brash.
      
      I’m not going to read it and I have 100 times the willingness to read stuff compared to the typical New Zealand journalist.
      
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      August 24, 2025 9:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Because it’s badly written
      
      You have provided a link to a video without explaining to them what is in it, and why they should watch it. You should be giving a good run down of the video and providing the information that is in it. You’ve done the same with the link to the Don Brash article, zero information about what is in it, nothing to compel anyone to read or watch either. If that’s not something you can do then you can ask AI to do that for you and help you create an email
      
      This email will just be deleted without reading more than the first few lines.
      
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      August 24, 2025 9:29am
      - Ghost
        
        Here is what grok just wrote
        
        Subject: Martin Lally Interview on Reality Check Radio: Why This Matters for Your Coverage
        
        Dear [Recipient’s Name],
        
        I’m reaching out to bring your attention to a recent interview on Reality Check Radio (RCR) with economist Martin Lally, which I believe warrants your interest as a journalist covering New Zealand’s COVID-19 response and public accountability. The interview dives into critical issues surrounding the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons Learned, specifically the refusal of four key former ministers—Jacinda Ardern, Chris Hipkins, Grant Robertson, and Ayesha Verrall—to appear publicly before the inquiry.
        
        ### What the Interview Covers
        In the interview, Martin Lally, a respected economist, discusses his submission to the Royal Commission, where he argued that the economic costs of New Zealand’s COVID-19 policies, such as lockdowns and mandates, were disproportionate. He highlighted that the cost per Quality Adjusted Life Year (QALY) soared to $800,000, far exceeding the typical $60,000 benchmark, suggesting that the measures were economically indefensible. Lally also addressed the broader implications of the four ministers’ refusal to testify publicly, as noted in the Commission’s Minute 4 (13 August 2025). These ministers cited reasons such as a “convention” for private interviews and concerns about livestream footage being “tampered with or misused,” which led to the cancellation of the second week of public hearings. Lally’s perspective underscores the lack of transparency and accountability in the inquiry process, raising questions about why these decision-makers are avoiding public scrutiny.
        
        ### Why This Matters to Journalists
        This interview is a must-watch for journalists for several reasons:
        1. **Public Interest and Accountability**: The refusal of high-profile figures like Ardern and Hipkins to face public questioning undermines the inquiry’s stated goal of boosting public confidence. Lally’s economic analysis provides a data-driven angle to scrutinize the justification behind these policies, which affected every New Zealander.
        2. **Economic and Social Impact**: Lally’s QALY analysis highlights the staggering economic toll of the COVID-19 measures, offering a fresh angle for stories on the long-term consequences of these decisions—something that resonates with readers grappling with inflation and economic recovery.
        3. **Controversy and Public Debate**: The cancellation of public hearings has sparked significant public backlash, as evidenced by RCR’s petition, which has garnered nearly 59,000 signatures demanding these ministers testify under oath. This controversy is a hot topic that could drive engagement for your outlet.
        4. **Exclusive Insights**: Lally’s expertise and his role in Voices for Freedom’s (VFF) submissions to the inquiry make him a compelling figure for a follow-up interview. His perspective could provide deeper context on the economic and societal fallout of the pandemic response, as well as the inquiry’s shortcomings.
        
        ### Why Interview Martin Lally?
        Interviewing Martin Lally would offer your audience a unique opportunity to hear from an economist who has directly engaged with the Royal Commission. His insights could shed light on the opaque decision-making processes during the pandemic and the current inquiry’s challenges. Key questions you might explore include:
        – How did the government justify policies with such high economic costs, and what does this mean for future policy-making?
        – Why is public testimony critical for rebuilding trust in institutions post-COVID?
        – What are the broader implications of the inquiry’s decision to allow private interviews instead of public hearings?
        
        You can listen to the full interview on Reality Check Radio’s website or app (available at realitycheck.radio or via their replay service). I strongly recommend reaching out to Lally for an interview to unpack these issues further and provide your audience with a nuanced perspective on this critical moment in New Zealand’s history.
        
        Feel free to contact me if you need assistance connecting with Lally or accessing the RCR interview. I’d be happy to help facilitate.
        
        Best regards,
        [Your Full Name]
        [Your Contact Information]
        [Your Position/Organization, if applicable]
        
        Sources: Reality Check Radio, “What the Royal Commission Has Been Told” by Peter Williams, 19 June 2025; RCR Petition, “Make Them Face The Music,” realitycheck.radio
        
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        August 24, 2025 9:55am
      - Wandering Star
        
        “This email will just be deleted without reading more than the first few lines.”
        
        Your Grok-slop is going in the bin too, I’m afraid.
        
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        August 24, 2025 10:32am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Ghost
        
        “Here is what grok just wrote”
        
        The logical thing to do next is to copy and paste the Grok letter into Grok and ask Grok for the reply.
        
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        August 24, 2025 10:33am
      - Ghost
        
        Oh it will get trashed because no one in the media cares, but chuck needs help with the emails he writes, even the posts. See below where he just puts in a link and doesn’t bother to tell people what’s in it or why it’s worth watching. He would be better off writing up a post about the interview, and asking DPF to put it up as a guest post.
        
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        August 24, 2025 10:39am
      - balanced
        
        Ghost….. post up that report again.
        
        You know, the one you inferred explained who got our $74.4b.
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:16am
      - Ghost
        
        What I provided for you was the link to treasury reporting on the funding allocation. But sadly there are some people who believe in conspiracies such as you that cannot be backed up by any evidence that want to pretend the pm fiddled the books and personally profited from it. Like Otto, you cannot back up your claims, you never can, you never have, just as he never could. Unfortunately in the fight to actually find out what took place under Covid, these conspiracies do more harm than anything. There are actually things that took place under Covid that many refused to believe until it came out as being correct, this isn’t one of them. No our ministers aren’t sitting on millions of dollars they filled from the fund, no the prime minister who still had a mortgage on her Auckland home isn’t sitting on tens of millions.
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:40am
      - cmm
        
        Can you then ask Grok for a 4 bullet point summary?
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:28am
      - balanced
        
        Ahhhh… the old paranormal labour Party abuse whenever someone questions the covid fraud
        
        Call them a conspiracy theorist then post a report which you suggest provides answers and hope they don’t read it.
        
        Then post the ridiculous notion that the proof someone didnt extort millions from NZ lies in the fact they haven’t reptriated the millions they stole back onto the country whilst an inquiry? supposedly looking into where our covid billions went, is being conducted.
        
        And whatever you do ghostly one, don’t post evidence which shows where our $74.4b was spent. You should at least have one legitimate source of information to support your strong views about “conspiracy theorists” who are simply and reasonably requesting more information on who got our money
        
        Turns out NZs auditor general is a conspiracy theorist as well….
        
        “The government has been told it must do a much better job of telling the public how it is spending billions of dollars battling the pandemic.
        
        Auditor-General John Ryan wants more detail on how much is being spent on the Covid-19 response and where the money is going.”
        
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        August 24, 2025 2:33pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Ghost, I assume you think the four Labour ministers should front up to the public, but just criticise my email. I not only send emails but also contribute to Act, and used to contribute to National mainly before Luxon. I also contribute to groups like the Taxpayers’ Union and other lobby groups.
        
        Do you email or write to politicians or media organisations? Do you contribute financially to political parties, lobby groups, and think tanks? Have you delivered pamphlets or put up hordings?
        
        This is a very important issue, especially if there is another pandemic.
        
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        August 24, 2025 4:36pm
- balanced
  
  Thx Chuck. There have been bizarre paranormal attempts to label covid response questions as conspiracies
  
  If my questions, borne from logic and concealed information, are merely conspiracies; then perhaps the ghostly ardern and clark supporters can provide the evidence answering them.
  
  Questions the attorney general asked but bizarrely hasn’t investigated to answer.
  
  Questions the nzdsos doctors asked in their covid submission but bizarrely quigley responded by makng excuses for the Clark advised ardern.
  
  Unanswered questions like why the clark advised ardern government bizarrely ignored the nz pandemic plan and why the clark advised ardern government conducted bizarre manouvres to get the covid jab across the line after medsafe refused to approve it?
  
  Questions like why weren’t the nz covid financial and health disaster sponsors summonsed to explain to taxpayers why so much money was spent on a covid response which had the worst outcome in the entire world…. as illustrated by nzs abysmal excess deaths.
  
  So many kiwi lives ruined by evil political players.
  
  We want answers!
  
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  August 24, 2025 8:14am
- 2ic
  
  @Chuck Bird
  If you’ve watched that Martin Lally interview (at least get the spelling correct) you would know (at the 25 minute mark) that he talks about speaking out as early as March 2020, but just being ignored by the media.
  
  He is also a contributor to the Voices for Freedom ‘The People’s Position’ publication, that has been widely distributed to media, which you can now download for free:
  https://realitycheck.radio/the-peoples-position-dl/
  
  So the media are well aware of Martin Lally, but choose to ignore him (and many others) because it doesn’t fit their narrative, and your email is not going to change that.
  
  It’s an extraordinary interview though – I highly recommend everyone watch it (link again: https://rcr.media/episodes/martin-lally-retired-economist-nzs-covid-response-fear-forecasts-and-the-missed-balance).
  
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  August 24, 2025 10:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How do you know who the email went to?
    
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    August 24, 2025 5:04pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360799839/damien-grant-covid-19-revisionism-how-did-we-get-here
Sadly, I agree with most of what this guy says here.
Many, many people loved the lock downs.
Stay home, do nothing, get paid special benefits, wear a mask (even inside), put teddy in the window, get your groceries delivered and be told what to think and do by those nice people on TV every afternoon.
Yes, I realise the considerable damage done.
But most people did not know or care at the time.
They just wanted Aunty Jacinda and Uncle Bloomfield to keep them safe from sure death.
At any cost.
A lesson in now easy it is to manipulate a whole population round to “their way of thinking.”
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August 24, 2025 8:33am
- Philview
  
  To be honest activities I was involved in closed voluntarily 2 weeks prior to the lockdown. People were already taking a cautious approach. I give them the benefit of the doubt over the first lockdown but they then passed some legislation on various matters under the radar. It started to smell like Covid was an opportunity for the New Zealand Government. Grant Robertson started talking about the great reset etc echoing the WEF sentiments.
  
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  August 24, 2025 8:45am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Yep. Much as we can blame Ardern, Bloomfield, Michael Baker and others, plus their water-carriers in the MSM, the fact is that none of these incredibly authoritarian measures would have been possible without the eager cooperation of so many members of the public.
  
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  August 24, 2025 8:46am
  - balanced
    
    I, like many, was caught by surprise.
    
    Up until covid we could trust our doctors…. not any more!
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:01am
    - Dougal10
      
      The head doctor at my local practice is still behaving like a nutjob , you only get an appointment with her if there is no one else available the week you need to go .
      
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      August 24, 2025 11:29am
  - MCōs
    
    Yesterday I went to watch my granddaughter play football. On the other side was a boy from a French/Italian family I know who happened to be over in Northern Italy when Covid struck the area and many people were becoming infected and there was a high death rate.
    They cut their trip short and headed back to NZ as insisted by Winston Peters.
    It wasn’t just our country that rushing towards lockdown and it wasn’t just the people you mention who were part of the push towards slowing the spread of the disease back here.
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:08am
    - kowtow
      
      Ah but the Latin races are known to be very excitable .
      
      We Anglo Saxons, on the other hand, have always prided ourselves on being rational and keeping a stiff upper lip , one of the reasons we had such a huge empire , the undisputed benefits of which are still enjoyed by her progengy , whether they like it or not.
      
      I see no reason and indeed Wuflu if anything proves we need to remember , nay cherish our rational side and in the immortal words of L/Cpl Jones , should there be another outbreak ; Don’t panic.
      
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      August 24, 2025 9:27am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Bergamo and other parts of Northern Italy were exceptional. Recall that Covid struck there early, when it was winter. Houses are sealed tight, and in some areas there was thermal inversion – no wind. It was also interesting to learn that there were/ are Chinese run & staffed compounds full of people making clothes (it provides the benefit of cheap & docile labour while enabling ‘Made in Italy’ labels, and the price point that goes with it). The average age of Northern Italians is high, relatively speaking, as are the smoking rates. And, it was Covid Mk 1.
      
      All in all, a perfect storm, but one from which Jacinda & co drew the wrong lessons.
      
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      August 24, 2025 2:24pm
- Scott
  
  Gravel – I see things very differently. I think that Jacinda was a brilliant communicator who set a narrative that was very powerful. The media loved her and supported her in everything. The message was very powerful and all the scientists and all the authority figures went along with it.
  
  So I’d argue that our leaders created an atmosphere where it was almost impossible to dissent. In times of crisis NZers normally band together and support their leaders. And we did.
  
  So I disagree with Damien Grant. I blame Jacinda. We elected what seemed like a pleasant smiley person. What we actually got was a socialist control freak.
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:03am
  - Wandering Star
    
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: a National government would have acted no differently to the Labour government during Covid, because it was a global policy rollout that came with a script and a gameplan to follow.
    
    The only significant difference is that there would have been more public pushback under National, because it would have been The Suits imposing the policies, and not The Queen of Kindness. This is one of the reasons the operation was so “successful” in New Zealand, because Ardern was at the helm, even though the decisions weren’t hers in any substantive way.
    
    The extreme uniformity (with only a few minor exceptions) as to the language/slogans and the prescribed actions is the surest sign that it was a centralised attempt to establish a “New Normal” (remember that slogan?) by tearing down existing ways of life and “Building Back Better” (remember that one?). This can only be done under the guise of an “emergency” and that emergency was a so-called global pandemic.
    
    It didn’t work, ultimately, because too many people grew tired of it and became suspicious. They had to pull it back very quickly and stop talking about it overnight. In a bizarre kind of way, the most globally significant 2 or 3 year period in the last 80 years got, in effect, memory holed.
    
    It was, by definition, a conspiracy, so it takes a conspiracy theory to describe and account for what took place.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:42am
  - Philview
    
    I raised the issue once that Jacinda is a fairly attractive woman. Last I time mentioned this on here I was told to go to Specsavers. I doubt an identical personality with the same communication skills but not very attractive would have faired so well.
    
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    August 24, 2025 2:39pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Yes I found it interesting.
  
  During the pandemic, a friend remarked to me that the lock downs had been the best time of her life. She and her husband were highly paid public servants. They had more time with their children. Had their groceries delivered. Were not bothered by anyone. Went for walks.
  
  It was not just the vaccine mandates that created a two tier society. The lock downs exposed people like my friend who loved it. And butchers, restaurant owners, and those who needed people to support their businesses. People who were now locked up.
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:14am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “During the pandemic, a friend remarked to me that the lock downs had been the best time of her life. She and her husband were highly paid public servants. They had more time with their children. Had their groceries delivered. Were not bothered by anyone. Went for walks.”
    
    Guns and threats of violence can be used as a mass population control method, but an even better method is convincing the population to love, and even to crave as essential, their externally imposed state of servitude.
    
    I think many found it acceptable because it suited them – but would they continue to accept it if they began to find it unsuitable?
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:24am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, the most efficient form of policing is self-policing.
      
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      August 24, 2025 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, at the time I was, like many NZers, under the impression that Jacinda was indeed the source of reliable medical information. In hindsight of course we were unaware of the many health workers who declined the vaccine. Even now their names are cloaked in secrecy but a curious person may well ask why? A regime spent $60 billion yet, like confetti, it was merely sprinkled far and wide and in most cases is apparently unaccountered for. The last mentioned involves borrowed money and as taxpayers we must foot the interest bill. These 4 must be held to account for what some claim is a politically criminal act.
  
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  August 24, 2025 10:03am
  - Dougal10
    
    No one should ever take medical advice from anyone in a political position .
    
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    August 24, 2025 11:32am
    - kowtow
      
      Ardern told us she took a phone call from someone overseas who said it was bad , real bad.
      
      To this day we don’t know who that was , where they were or what their qualification was.
      
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      August 24, 2025 11:51am
      - R
        
        Probably her mentor in the UK govt when she was an understudy there, or possibly from a friend in the World Economic Forum, which organisation she seemed to worship
        
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        August 24, 2025 3:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    At the time I recall Cactus kate writing an excellent post here about the panic induced lunatic road we were being taken on by Ardern and her Acolytes .
    
    I remarked then ” the cure will be worse than the illness”.
    
    ’nuff said.
    
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    August 24, 2025 11:49am
  - R
    
    Ardern and her sycophants, by their mismanagement of the so called covid crisis, have destroyed the respect of the thinking element of NZ society for future decisions by government. BUT the media will love this situation because it gives them justification to criticism the present coalition.
    
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    August 24, 2025 11:57am
- cmm
  
  ” But most people did not know or care at the time.”
  
  Or now.
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:15pm
- Skottowe
  
  I, and some family members, were among the dissenters. I was vocal about it online, was abused for my pains, though some other commenters agreed.
  
  I’d never liked Ardern, right from the time she took leadership of the Labour party. At that stage, I was a Labour voter: I recall expressing my unease about her to friends and family. I turned out to be correct: small comfort after the damage was done. I’ll never again vote Labour.
  
  “…many people loved the lock downs.”
  
  I loathed them. I hated being confined to our house and garden. We were in group 3, so when I went out walking, people used to cross the road to avoid me, as if, I remarked bitterly to my partner, I had bloody leprosy! I was angry at neighbours’ well-meaning attempts to look after us by picking up groceries etc for us. I politely declined, and we did our own shopping right through all of it. I refused to watch any of that 1pm nonsense, and would absent myself or hit the mute button if Ardern came on TV.
  
  We’re in the small business arena: the lockdowns did enormous damage to the economy. At no stage did I accept the argument about lives saved. That’s always been a counterfactual. I’d have greatly preferred the Swedish approach, and said so.
  
  NZ is still wrestling with the after-effects of decisions made then. It’ll take a long time for the economy to recover. If it ever does.
  
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  August 24, 2025 5:59pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

https://rcr.media/episodes/rodneys-reflections-leaders-missing-ardern-hipkins-under-scrutiny/
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August 24, 2025 8:34am
Swifty

About bloody time and after years and years of shameful Conservative inaction:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/570886/uk-s-farage-sets-out-plan-for-mass-deportation-of-asylum-seekers

Harsh but the alternative is the UK ceasing to exist as a functioning nation.
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August 24, 2025 8:50am
- mogg
  
  This is political idealism at its worst. The UK is now in a debt spiral with financial markets demanding ever higher yield on UK issued bonds.
  They have massive state, massive welfare, wage settlements way above the rate of inflation, stupid levels of money being spent on putting illegals into four star hotels. Everybody knows the problems and solutions but weak idealistic politicians keep on making things worse. The only way out will be IMF rescue loans, which will come only with guarantees of cuts to all the excess wasteful spending.
  The political establishment are too weak to make the necessary decisions.
  
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  August 24, 2025 11:05am
  - kowtow
    
    And yet recall how the Blob , which still does tarnish , mounted a coup , against Liz Truss for her alleged economic stupidity .
    
    I don’t see the same reaction at all from the Usual Suspects in relation to the utter disaster that is this Labour govt and their economic policies.( never mind any of their other societal destroying policies)
    
    My conclusion is the Blob ( and City) must relish Starmer / Reeves and socialism .
    
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    August 24, 2025 11:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  So, what if the Royal Navy simply machine gunned the next half dozen boats crossing the Channel? Say 100 people were killed. How many have died making the crossing in the last year or two? 500? If it stopped the boats, there would quickly be a net positive.
  
  To be clear, I’m not advocating this. But, when Australia said that no boat person would set foot in Australia & the nearest they would get would be Manaus or Christmas Is, the boats stopped.
  
  Rather than mucking about with Rwanda, perhaps the UK should jet the asylum seekers down to Ascension Island or Tristan da Cunha.
  
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  August 24, 2025 2:31pm
vand

…”one of these incredibly authoritarian measures would have been possible without the eager cooperation of so many members of the public.”

Wisdom says: Proverbs 24
1 Be not thou envious against evil men,(edit or women!) neither desire to be with them.
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August 24, 2025 9:02am
- mogg
  
  With Jacinda’s success it was all about the free money. I think she would have to join The Greens to try that one again.
  
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  August 24, 2025 11:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

It doesn’t matter how the left tries to spin the Covid 4’s actions, it is their failure to front up to a public enquiry that will be remembered in the years to come.

Jacinda and co may well find themselves on the wrong side of history.
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August 24, 2025 9:12am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Here is a thought experiment. If Jacinda was again appointed leader of the Labour Party, I think that Labour would be able to form a government after the 2026 election.
  
  Yes she is hated by maybe half the country. But she does not need to shift those. She just needs to increase the Labour vote by about 5 percentage points over what Hipkins is polling.
  
  Just a thought. I cloud be totally wrong 😀
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:21am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I don’t know about “hating” Ms Ardern.
    It’s more that she has lost the public’s respect and confidence.
    A lot of women would still pay to read about her and her “lovely family” in the Woman’s Weekly, but don’t actually trust her ability to govern anymore.
    The Labour Party would need to think very carefully about welcoming her back into their ranks in order to win an election.
    Same applies to Mr Mallard.
    And Robertson.
    Now just two more former politicians people don’t trust.
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:33am
    - Colville
      
      Gravel.
      A lot of women saw Ardern as the great feminist hope and that she was going to achieve all these things that she promised.
      Those women feel lied to and won’t go there again.
      Yes she is hated.
      
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      August 24, 2025 10:02am
      - pdm
        
        Colville – I would say.
        
        Despised
        Intensely disliked
        
        Hated may be stretching it.
        
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        August 24, 2025 10:14am
      - Colville
        
        Pdm.
        I have been thru a divorce (that I caused) so possibly I have experience with women who fully expressed there emotions? 🤣
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:24am
      - AitchW
        
        Coville, I don’t believe it was even a feminist hope. Ardern was portrayed as a brave, progressive, and empathetic young woman making her way in a man’s world.
        Covid, motherhood while in office, and the mosque murders allowed her handlers to push the whole “kind” schtick which, sadly for New Zealand, was swallowed largely by women who voted for her in droves, many of whom still adore her.
        This image, reinforced by the women’s magazines and then turbocharged by her daily pious pronouncements from the pulpit of truth elevated her almost to sainthood!
        The marketers of Bud Light could learn a lot from the marketing of Ardern.
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:37am
      - kowtow
        
        I’m not so sure . Polling shows a very powerful female support for the left . No doubt many are in the female led and “manned” public sector as well as the legions of single mother benies etc.
        
        OPM is a powerful motivator for the dull and dependent.
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:59am
      - R
        
        A lot of woman saw Comrade H Clarke as the great feminist hope, and look at the mess she left. Generally women are now less respected than they once were, and are no better off!
        
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        August 24, 2025 12:08pm
    - pdm
      
      Mr Mallard?
      
      Please no – The Despicable Mallard is much more appropriate.
      
      He has not deserved the sobriquet Mr since he first showed up in the Speakers seat.
      
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      August 24, 2025 10:12am
      - G152
        
        Mallard ducked
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:41am
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    I agree….there are more than enough morons in NZ for this exact scenario to possibly come to fruition🤦‍♂️😐
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:35am
  - AitchW
    
    Good point. Parachute her in, let her make kind faces at a few carefully managed events full of adoring idiots then, once the election is won and the new coalition is on its way to completing the destruction is started in 2017, declare the tank empty and retire to the speaking circuit.
    Machiavellian? Yes. Would that stop Labour doing it? God no.
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:42am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nikola: I think you are spot on…people tend to forget that elections are still won by those relatively few swing voters in the middle
    
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    August 24, 2025 9:52am
  - Paulus
    
    If she came back as Leader Leader the women of New Zealand, who now hate men anyway, as they have been taught since Helen Clark’s days,, would put her back into power as they love what they have achieved, with the assistance of the Jacinda Mob.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:27am
- AitchW
  
  You need to understand that they don’t care. Ardern is off doing her speaking gigs and being adored by the luvvies.
  The rest are safely cocooned in their echo chambers being assured that they are right, and clever, and anyone who disagrees with them is a cooker, or a fascist, or trans phobic or god knows what else.
  They’ll be long gone before history judges them for what they really are.
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:37am
- Philview
  
  I think our Left wing media will be kind to her legacy.
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:59pm
Southern Raider

So the media was running multiple anti USA stories last week about some “musicians” being detained and deported and linked this to USA anti immigration policies

One of the people has now owned up that they only had a tourist visa but were performing at a show and so needed a “performer” visa.

I suspect the other DJ group was the same.

This isn’t about the USA. This is about idiots not completing the correct paper work to get into a country legally. I’ve watched Border Patrol enough times to know the same thing would happen if an American was trying to get into NZ or Australia on the wrong Visa
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August 24, 2025 9:19am
- Swifty
  
  Our news media appear to not give a shit anymore.
  
  That wasn’t ‘journalism’ that was anti-US advocacy, and with fundamental facts left out.
  
  I jurist knew there was more to that story.
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:51am
  - Gravelroad
    
    How many stories have you seen in the media here this year (including tv1 news) that are not anti Trump’s USA?
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:18am
    - Swifty
      
      Practically none.
      
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- artemisia
  
  Katayanagi Twins said they were “flying to LA to chase Summer”. Someone at the border decided they were not tourists. Can’t be many in the travelling world not aware of US tightened immigration rules.
  
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  August 24, 2025 10:26am
cas

I see Peeni Henare wants to overturn the legislation banning gang patches. I had a coffee yesterday in a town with a high proportion of gang members. There were a few people around who clearly belonged to the gang with their red shorts and red hats and swagger and tattoos but I wasn’t intimidated by them the way I have been when they wear their gang jackets and patches. Wake up and smell the roses Peeni. And for those downtickers who will say how do I know they were gang members, well they have a swagger about them and do things like park illegally. Easy to spot.
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- AitchW
  
  Gangs are whanau. Plenty of easy votes for Henare et al there.
  
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  August 24, 2025 9:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes, this “talented, young Maori Leader” seems to be oblivious to the fact that the children growing up in gangs have lousy futures.
  
  He seems to be that part of Maoridom which embraces the whole concept of gang loyalty, even when it means abuse and deadly violence against fellow Maori and others.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/570694/labour-candidate-peeni-henare-stands-by-gang-patch-law-repeal-claim
  
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  August 24, 2025 10:10am
  - AitchW
    
    He needs to ask a few patched members exactly what they needed to do to earn their patches.
    Or perhaps he knows and chooses to ignore the depravity, thuggery and violence involved.
    Then he needs to talk to some of the victims chosen as the means to earn a patch.
    Or perhaps he simply doesn’t care.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:15am
    - David Garrett
      
      Aitch: Well said. I have lost count of the number of rapes and murders – sometimes of one individual – which turns out later to have been some thug earning his patch. The prostitute Mellory Manning in Christchurch is the first to come to mind. She was raped, murdered, and and then dumped in the Avon river.
      
      Although the Mob prospect originally convicted for her murder was later exonerated – after some shameful conduct by the police came to light – it is more likely than not that some other Mob member or prospect was responsible.
      
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      August 24, 2025 10:34am
      - AitchW
        
        He probably got extra patch points for covering for his mate.
        
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        August 24, 2025 11:10am
      - Colville
        
        DG.
        
        I just remember the child raped in its bed at Turangi campground (20 yrs ago?) and when the culprit was caught turned out to be a youth trying to do something worthy of a patch.
        
        Told me all I ever wanted to know about that scum.
        
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        August 24, 2025 12:38pm
      - Keith White
        
        An Area Health Board I used to work for ‘volunteered’ my services from the ER one afternoon a week for a couple of years, to the local high security prison, as the town’s GPs’ – and their families – were being threatened by unhappy patient inmates and their community-based families and ‘friends’.
        
        In the first weeks, the warders gave me a thorough briefing on what the various tattoos the ethnic gangsters sported and were showing off to those in the know, and the harm and depravities they were advertising and proud of. Despicable.
        
        Once I knew, I tried not to ‘read’ what the patient in front of me was proud of having done to his fellow humans, because it was already hard enough to maintain Hippocratic objectivity with their quite unique approaches to get their claimed-medical-needs met.
        
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        August 24, 2025 12:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    Te Ao Maori in practice.
    
    Not some revisionist, flax-tower, academic view of it.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:18am
  - Paulus
    
    The Gangs are the updated version of “Once were Warriors” !
    No real change, except the drug management schemes.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:30am
    - David Garrett
      
      Paulus: What do you mean “updated”? They mostly sell meth now rather than weed?
      
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      August 24, 2025 10:57am
  - Swifty
    
    We shouldn’t let the Maori Party aspirant, Oriini Kaipara, off the hook either.
    
    Silly little girl.
    
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    August 24, 2025 10:41am
    - AitchW
      
      Though relatively moderate compared to Waitit and the truly odious Ngarewa-Packer with her late night obscenity and hate filled tweets.
      
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      August 24, 2025 11:51am
      - Swifty
        
        You could be right, I don’t know really anything about her, I was focussed solely on her saying she would reverse the gang patch ban.
        
        Why the hell would you do that? How is NZ better with these bozos swaggering around in their colours?
        
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    He is probably related to many of them.
    
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    August 24, 2025 11:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So what?
      
      Many of us have criminal relatives.
      
      It doesn’t mean we have to accept or offer excuses for their foul behaviour.
      
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      August 24, 2025 11:35am
- Notsofast
  
  It was self fulfilling. They say they felt obliged to swagger.
  The law does them a huge favour.
  Peeni Henare is missing the top two inches like most opposition mps.
  
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  August 24, 2025 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  PH has always come across as a bit thuggish and indeed not the brightest .
  
  He was given a free pass by the media on his bugle /gun political violence rhetoric , perhaps he’s getting the idea that something makes him special , untouchable even.
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    something makes him special , untouchable even.
    
    Too damn right,….
    
    The man is untouchable:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/495954/national-wants-review-into-govt-contracts-awarded-to-firm-run-by-partner-of-cabinet-minister-peeni-henare
    
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    August 24, 2025 8:04pm
Master Mariner

https://tinyurl.com/psaxedm6

Why Governments should not own Ferries.

Kiwirail gets a well worth while mention.
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August 24, 2025 10:20am
- AitchW
  
  Governments should not be involved in any business. Remember when the post office ran the phone system? 6 weeks to get a phone connected in Auckland. Tolls manually connected costing dollars a minute.
  
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  August 24, 2025 11:16am
  - Colville
    
    I think there is a good argument for government owning things like power stations and to a point being a land (not housing) developer.
    Government has cheapest finance and has ability to go around rules when it wants to.
    
    On land development, they could purchase and zone and put in core infrastructure. In a lot of cases govt picks up the tab already but gets none of the benifit.
    
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    August 24, 2025 2:22pm
cas

Bring back Ian Foster.
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August 24, 2025 10:53am
- Damocles11
  
  Why? His AB teams lost to the Pumas as well.
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:37pm
Colville

Never enjoyed a game so much to be on the wrong side of the result!

Well done Argentina!
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August 24, 2025 11:25am
- Colville
  
  Not to be a whingeing ABs supporter but I do think the Argies were very very fortunate not to have at least one in the bin for repeated offsides in the 2nd half.
  
  Ref gave them a clear warning (4 penalties in one phase) and then seemed to forget about it.
  
  But its in the score books!!
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:44pm
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ABs vs Pumas
Jordan was not really in the game even before the yellow card: he looked listless.
The ABs backline was a mess as usual, no room to move, too flat
Too much ball kicked away again: the Pumas knew what to do with it – run it !
BB had a massive game on defence
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August 24, 2025 11:33am
- pdm
  
  Until he was injured around the 15 minute mark Ratima was the only AB back who looked like he was on the job. Even prop Fletcher Newall looked more likely than Reiko Ioane down the left wing side.
  
  I thought the man of the match and big improver from last week was the Argies half back. He had a shocker last week but was all class today and set his backs up superbly.
  
  What does Razor do for the Yarpies? He has some tough calls to make, especially if Ratima is out and Roigaard and Hotham are still injured. Two new wings and a new midfield needed too with Mackenzie back at 10.
  
  The forwards not so much of a problem but maybe Vaa’i back to lock with Parker at 6 and Sititi at 8. Maybe McAlister on the bench for Taukieaho.
  
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  August 24, 2025 11:57am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Lot of past detractors about F. Christie but experts here thought he went ok today.
    Likewise Mackenzie.
    Who was the new No 8 again? Seem to have forgotten…….
    Why did Cody Taylor go off? Replacement gave away two tries didn’t he?
    
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    August 24, 2025 12:15pm
    - surfing
      
      So what did Christie actually do if you look closely at his game? Apart from predictability and passing the ball before he get’s tackled , very little else.
      
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      August 24, 2025 12:41pm
      - pdm
        
        I agree surfing.
        
        Christie is very slow compared to the top 3 or 5 other halfback in the country. His passes are also slow through the air so the receiver is often under pressure.
        
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        August 24, 2025 5:11pm
      - greybeard
        
        Christie’s defence was outstanding.
        
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        August 24, 2025 6:26pm
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      Taukei’aho replaced Cody , he scored one this week and two last week … hard to fault him coming on with 20 to go.
      
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      August 24, 2025 12:42pm
      - pdm
        
        Line out throwing after Taylor left wasn’t too flash.
        
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        August 24, 2025 5:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      Argentina scored two tries. One in the first half whilst Taylor was still on the field.
      Btw
      Codie Taylor is 34; he’s played in a 100 tests. He probably gets too puffed to put in 80min these days!
      
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      August 24, 2025 1:02pm
      - greybeard
        
        34 ? Jesus, he is a pup !
        
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        August 24, 2025 6:26pm
- surfing
  
  Finlay Christie — why is there so much love for this player… for someone who has the ball quite often, you need rugby intelligence and he has none!
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:39pm
- MCōs
  
  The Pumas were the better team today, but the ABs lost because Barrett missed two conversations and a penalty = 7 points.
  Their two first fives kicked 7/8 goals, our’s 3/6
  We scored three tries, the Pumas two.
  It might have looked like we were continually giving away penalties, but they gave away 30% more
  
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  August 24, 2025 12:54pm
AitchW

I was disappointed to hear a commentator (an ex AB I believe) remark that after one of the ABs was yellow carded there were 14 ABs playing 16 opponents.
I thought we were better than that.
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August 24, 2025 12:03pm
- Colville
  
  AitchW
  Look at the penalty count and the dozen or more others where they infringed while under penalty advantage.
  We got carded and they didn’t.
  
  If that was a World Cup game on neutral ground with the stricter cynical foul rulings Argies would have been down to 12 players.
  
  But that happens… Home Court advantage is an advantage for a reason. We enjoy that at Eden Park.
  
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  August 24, 2025 1:45pm
I remember when

Among the more obvious reasons for Jacinda and Grant not agreeing to front the Covid Royal Commision.
Perhaps the answers they would have to give may be at variance with the ‘facts’ they have stated in their books.
Something written in black on white is a lot harder to defend that a less definite verbal answer.
Could it prove that they are trying to suggest a far less damaging series of events than the Commission may reveal?
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August 24, 2025 12:48pm
MCōs

Up here in Auckland along with the economic doom and gloom the Meteorological Service tells us it’s the weather is equally gloomy with rain, hail and thunderstorms this afternoon
Wrong
Clear blue skies and relentless sunshine!
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August 24, 2025 1:12pm
- Colville
  
  Its a stunning day here in sunny Hawkes Bay.
  
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  August 24, 2025 1:47pm
Jack5

Do we need a Race Relations Commissioner?

On the surface, it seems a reasonable taxpayer-funded idea: an office to go to for those who believe they’ve been ethnically discriminated against. Cases perhaps best sorted out by a person with a legal background. However, in the post we’ve had a sportswoman, a small-business trader, and now, an academic from the education field.

They each fall into the Leftist media’s trap: talk “racism!” and the hacks will call you. A new commissioner becomes a media-darling lecturer on Woke multiculturism rather than a Superman or Superwoman sorting out instances, or alleged instances, of wrong or hurt or unfairness.

The latest race commissioner, Melissa Derby, in the Herald talks of “vile racial abuse” of the Indian businessman who’s become chief executive of Air NZ.

Criticism on mere ethnic grounds of a foreigner being appointed chief executive of Air NZ is wrong. It’s ignorant to the point of being fuck-witted. Let’s hope Nikhil Ravishankar’s appointment as CEO proves to be one of the airline’s best choices yet. Whether we want him to step up to Prime Minister, as Christopher Luxon did after his CEO spell at the airline from 2013 to 2019, is out of the question. Ravishankar won’t be tempted to step down from millions a year as Air NZ chief to hundreds of thousands a year as Prime Minister.

Racist comments about the Ravishankar appointments seem to have been on social media — blogs and in media’s comment sections — and seem to have been shut down, like other extremist or offensive posts.

Our media then reported these as an “offensive backlash,” and this was picked up and repeated by overseas news media.

That’s how it seems to work: a few score racist cranks shout, mainly unheard, on social media. The Woke media blast these, amplifying the effect. Then Woke officialdom, like a Race Relations Commission, adds a second layer of amplification.

Less publicised than the Air NZ chief executive appointment was that of a New Zealander, Campbell Wilson, as chief executive of the far bigger outfit, Air India. I couldn’t find Indian “social media” racist comment about Wilson when he was appointed in 2022, but then I can’t read Hindi.

However, there was something related to discrimination in the Air India appointment. The other lead contender for the Air India post, Ilker Ayci, a Turk, withdrew from contention after a social media storm, reportedly because of his alleged ties to Turkey’s president, Erdoğan, and Turkey’s criticism of India over Kashmir policy, which is basically an ethnic-racist issue.

The Indian media seem to have been relieved that Ayci was out of the Air India chief executive race.

With people dying and the danger of nuclear war between Muslim Pakistan and mainly Hindu India and you have a real ethnic appointment issue. Bluntly: many Indian people didn’t want a Muslim Turk running Air India.

But from our media coverage of the social media posts on Air NZ you would think “racist NZ, liberal India”.

Back to NZ’s post of race relations conciliator …

The background of the new Race Relations Commissioner is at the link below. She’s an academic from the education field.

New Race Relations Commissioner’s background at Waikato University:

https://profiles.waikato.ac.nz/melissa.derby

And here’s a book she co-edited that likely gives an idea of the Commissioner’s broad view on biculturism:

https://www.canterbury.ac.nz/news-and-events/news/2024/new-book-celebrates-connecting-indigenous-and-western-knowledge-
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Keith White

It’s not that long ago that the Race Relations Commissioner was overtly racist against whites:

“In the past week Foon has been asked about the Government funding a poem that suggests descendants of Cook and all white people be tracked down and stabbed through the ribs with pig knives because they might be criminals, too. He refused to comment.

“He did however comment on the Invercargill Mayor using the N-word. ACT has no problem with Mr Foon criticising this, but why is he choosing one cause and not the other?

“In the past Meng Foon has been quick to label NZ Police as racist over his concerns with Police Ten 7, he had no issues laying into Simon Henry over his remarks about Nadia Lim, he also had a go at Amy Adams for getting a colleague’s ethnicity wrong by mistake. When it was brought to his attention that Te Pāti Māori stated on its website “It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.” He again said nothing.

In summary; Melissa D & her taxpayer-funded* office should abide by the following —
….3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

*White-ethnicity people are 63% of the NZ population but pay 84% of the tax revenues.
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August 24, 2025 2:19pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360801317/auckland-university-study-finds-rangitoto-magma-still-warm-after-600-years

“Researchers deduced that the water was being warmed by the solidified magma.” Do they really know that the magma has solidified ?

“Adam squashed any fears that the geothermal activity could signal an eruption” : this is so egotistical that I have no comment. I look forward to Adam taking responsibility for all disastrous events from future eruptions.
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  I think you’ll find that it’s Ngāti Whatua that will be footing the bill when their volcano next goes bang.
  
  As if!
  
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