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Cassandra

I have grandchildren who have a Maori great-grandparent and others who do not.

The grandchildren who descend from the Maori are university educated and in well-paid professional jobs. My grandchildren who are of totally European descent did not go to university and although they are all employed they enjoy nowhere near the standard of living of their kin.

Yet my advantaged grandchildren are apparently disadvantaged and need special taxpayer funding to achieve equity. We live in a strange world. Just as Lewis Carroll described!
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October 5, 2025 8:03am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  What special funding do your well paid successful grand children who have a Maori ancestor receive? I am not accusing you of an untruth. I would just find an example helpful to better understand your comment.
  
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  October 5, 2025 8:22am
  - Cassandra
    
    Special Maori health providers, lower entry standard for med school, access to Maori only jobs, Maori electorates and wards. Not an exhaustive list.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:25am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Add to that list that next year 40% of places at Auckland Medical School are reserved for Maori and other Pacific Islanders.
      
      It may become that, not only are we losing qualified doctors overseas, we may also be losing prospective medical students.
      
      The 40% quota may actually be self fulfilling…
      
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      October 5, 2025 9:48am
    - Notsofast
      
      Sounds like maximum 1/16th maori, do you have a figure out of interest?
      
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      October 5, 2025 9:51am
      - Cassandra
        
        1/32nd.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:53am
      - Notsofast
        
        Thanks
        Interesting.
        Reminds me of the slave in Puddnhead Wilson.
        Enough blood to be a commodity.
        
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        October 5, 2025 5:31pm
    - Foxfour
      
      Rural school NZers of any ethnicity have lower standards for medical school too
      
      https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/fmhs/study-with-us/application-and-admission/admission-schemes/regional-rural-admission-scheme.html
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:04am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Not to mention scholarships and accommodation at University that are only available for Māori or Pasifika to apply for. Special spaces on campuses that include free food and they told all the students that if the maori/pasifika students if they were short on rent then they could come and ask for money.
      
      Other courses, not just the health sciences are favouring maori/pasifika applicants over others.
      
      If you are involved in any artistic pursuit then funding, prizes etc are skewed towards Māori/pasifika. Look at the opportunities for maori in tv and radio – because they have their own channels and stations and get prioritised for the general population ones too.
      
      Then there are the special jobs in zoos, museums, stardome etc that are to promote maori knowledge. Positions in universities, councils, political departments.
      
      Not to mention the jobs to translate in and out of maori, for all government department literature and websites. And the jobs to prop up the language and coin new words etc.
      
      You would have to be blind or actively spreading disinformation to not acknowledge the special privileges that are afforded to Māori and to a lesser degree Pasifika in NZ.
      
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      October 5, 2025 3:36pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Yep. It’s all gotta go. Will it under National? NO.
        
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        October 5, 2025 5:12pm
      - greybeard
        
        What a great post: please send it to Hosking & HDPA.
        
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        October 5, 2025 8:33pm
  - Flossie
    
    I’m pretty sure that one example is that Maori can get free visits to the doctor’s surgery for a pap smear.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:52am
    - Foxfour
      
      These are the facts show theres a wide group of medical reasons
      
      Free routine cervical screening, regardless of whether an HPV test or cytology is used, is available if you are:
      
      *aged 30 years and over and have never been screened
      *aged 70 to 74 years and have never been screened
      *aged 30 years and over and it has been 5 years or more since your last cytology, or 7 years or more since your last HPV test
      *aged 70 to 74 years and have not had 2 consecutive normal cervical cytology results *between 62 to 69 years, or a ‘HPV’ not detected’ result in the 5 years prior to age 70
      *Māori and Pacific wāhine aged 25 to 69 years
      *aged 25 to 69 and hold a Community Services Card.
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:08am
      - Flossie
        
        Undoubtedly your facts are correct. I would imagine there’s a large percentage that fall into more than one (if not several) of those groups. I was only commenting as I recall being told that “there’s no charge as you are wahine Maori”.
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:16am
      - rouppe
        
        The last two items are the most telling.
        
        Non Maori 25 to 69 year olds (that age group being most people) not quite poor enough don’t get free access.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:15am
      - pdm
        
        Seven or eight years ago our GP showed mrspdm a screen full of health benefits for Maori that are not available to anyone else.
        
        Given it was probably before Labour took over in 2017 that lengthy list has probably doubled.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:20am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Māori and Pacific wāhine
        Really? Pacific Island women call themselves a Maori word for “women” now? I don’t think so. “Pasifika” peoples trying to get a ride on the Maori grift train is nearly as sickening as all the half, quarter, one-eighth etc. Maoris jostling for a seat.
        
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        October 5, 2025 5:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      I get free appointments each year. I often hear eldery getting told, “no charge today”.
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:19am
      - Quail
        
        Ghost ,
        You are very fortunate,.On the other hand ,I am aware of an elderly gentleman ,of no particular ethnicity , of my acquaintance paid $71 for a minor GP doctors after waiting a fortnight for the said appointment!
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:15am
      - Flossie
        
        People do get told “no charge” if they are there for a blood test or similar.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:31am
      - Ghost
        
        No, these are normal visits, the gp doesn’t do blood tests.
        
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        October 5, 2025 12:05pm
    - MCōs
      
      So does my wife plus free mammograms and now flu shots and shingles shots while she’s 65, free translator because although her English is pretty good she struggles with medical talk
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:56am
      - ISeeRed
        
        No translators should ever be provided at public expense. You come to these shores, you either speak English or arrange your own interpreter.
        
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        October 5, 2025 5:24pm
      - MCōs
        
        They’re volunteers
        
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        October 5, 2025 9:16pm
  - rouppe
    
    As I’ve posted previously, my medical centre has a resident dietician. There are costs to use this service. Full costs, or subsidised costs.
    
    An individual gets the subsidised cost of they have a community services card (low income) or are Maori/PI.
    
    https://www.johnsonvillemedical.co.nz/services/nutrition#:~:text=Subsidised%20consultations
    
    So a rich well paid Maori gets subsidised advice, but a not quite poor enough white person does not.
    
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    October 5, 2025 10:56am
- RockyJ
  
  In his book “Affirmative Action around the World, an imperical study” Thomas Sewell found that the benefits of affirmative action invariably go to those of the minority who are already well off
  
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  October 5, 2025 8:25am
  - Swifty
    
    Absolutely right.
    
    It’s the already well off and well placed/connected who get the plum civil service jobs, get the special education scholarships, who set up the ‘service providers’ to receive lucrative government contracts etc etc.
    
    Old Joe and Jane Hohepa down the farm, factory, forestry or fishing vessel generally don’t get a look in.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/oxford-graduate-te-aro-moxon-is-all-in-for-the-long-maori-health-inequity-haul/YPPFU7IVB5D73D54BEV4XJXNNU/
    
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    October 5, 2025 10:08am
  - Max Mansplain
    
    The job of the less well off Maori is to continue to do badly so the well off get even more.
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:06pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    The class system is Maoridom’s dirty little secret.
    
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    October 5, 2025 5:25pm
- seerob1946
  
  Well all I can say is I wouldn’t want you for my grandparent, when you attempt to Pot your own grand children via a sadonic way.
  
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  October 5, 2025 2:31pm
Simon

Its wide open for NZ to become the best country in the world. Just look at the failure of the UK. Do the opposite. Learn from the stupidity.

Instead is just this National party garbage of bloated welfare state, govt over reach, massive over taxation, Maorification, mass immigration from the third world,(which doesnt pay its way) mad central planning, Climate fraud, useless govt departments.

NZ can only get better if the National party folds. But its wide open for NZ.
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October 5, 2025 8:12am
- Jethrod
  
  Is your sole goal to promote distain for the National government, when your masters are definitely a whole lot worse, especially when they have the threat of the damned duo?
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:33am
  - wilderbeast
    
    If it is he appears to have solid support on here. Too many home truths in his post to just glibly ignore.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:00pm
- Flossie
  
  You seriously think the other side are better? All those things you’re speaking of sound like Labour ideals imo.
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:54am
  - wilderbeast
    
    Labour’s ideals that National don’t seem to want to reverse.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:01pm
- waikatosinger
  
  In the UK the indigenous people are rising up and protesting the way their country has been taken over by immigrants. What lesson do you imagine New Zealand should learn from that?
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Sadly from what I heard very recently it is too late for the UK as time will tell.
    The damage has been done and like New Zealand cannot be corrected.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:32pm
  - NeonTeepee
    
    NZ doesn’t have an indigenous population. We are all colonialists of some generation.
    
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    October 5, 2025 2:40pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Yes. Only the occupants of the first wave of wakas could perhaps be considered indigenous if at all. All the subsequent Polynesian arrivals were just as “colonial” as the latter Europeans. The brown colonists certainly committed more rape, torture, slavery, murder and cannibalism than the white ones.
      
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      October 5, 2025 5:30pm
- R
  
  National weren’t responsible for, bloated welfare, govt over reach, maorification, third world divrsiy migration, nor the incompetence and corruption of the Arder/Hipkins lead government
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:09am
  - Conservatarian
    
    National wasn’t responsible for “third world divrsiy migration”?
    
    Is this some attempt to recast John Key, for example, as some sort of anti-immigration hardliner?
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:38pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    National are in power now and responsible for doing nothing to reverse these policies and trends. They are certainly tweaking this and fiddling with that and making a big show of it. Way too little, way too late.
    
    Here’s a related video that goes tithe heart of the issue in most Western countries and their “leadership”:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/live/416JwqTBX6E?si=avRy59waD-6blEgH
    
    I Despise The Bourgeoisie
    (No, Carl Benjamin is not a communist, progressive or anarchist)
    
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    October 5, 2025 5:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    This graph shows the immigration surge under the Labour-Ardern-Hipkins government:
    
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/annual-net-migration-falls/
    
    Note the matching surge in outward migration, no doubt because, as Australian figures have shown, half the NZ residents applying for Australian citizenship weren’t born in NZ.
    
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    October 5, 2025 6:48pm
- R
  
  If the National Party folds, NZ will become a maorified communist dictatorship
  
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  October 5, 2025 7:53pm
Yvette

Te Pāti Māori MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke has been recognised by Time magazine as one of “the world’s most influential rising stars”.
Maipi-Clarke was aged just 21 when elected to Parliament in 2023.
Time said she “shook the world” when she performed a haka during a vote on the Treaty Principles Bill last year.
The influential news magazine said she followed in the footsteps of ancestors who sustained Māori language, traditions and culture. – RNZ
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574993/te-pati-maori-mp-hana-rawhiti-maipi-clarke-named-by-time-as-one-of-the-world-s-most-influential-rising-stars

A committee is considering the place of tikanga in Parliament. But what spurred that was the ill-timed haka –

Parliament’s colonial Westminster underpinnings sometimes jar against modern Kiwi sensibilities, especially with te ao Māori.
A notable recent occasion was the degree to which Parliament was flummoxed by an unsanctioned haka in the chamber.
Among MPs debating that event in its aftermath, some noted that Parliament’s rules – the standing orders – take little or no account of Māori tradition, practice, process, or belief.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/571591/the-house-tikanga-for-parliament

■ More accurately from Hansard –

Chlöe Swarbrick: Mr Speaker, point of order.
SPEAKER: We’re in the middle of a vote.
Chlöe Swarbrick: Mr Speaker, I call that a personal vote—
SPEAKER: No, sit down. We’re in the middle of a vote. The Ayes have it. A party vote has been called for.
Chlöe Swarbrick: Mr Speaker—
SPEAKER: A party vote has been called for. There is a process here.

Ayes 68
New Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.
Noes 55
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te Pāti Māori 6.

[Members perform the haka “Ka Mate” on the floor of the House]
SPEAKER: No, don’t do that. The House is suspended until the ringing of the bells. The gallery is to be cleared.

So, while it is reported “Parliament was flummoxed by an unsanctioned haka in the chamber” in fact the haka was performed with gross rudeness interrupting a vote, which ironically was complete but for four words “The Ayes have it”, and while that vote was underway Green Party Chlöe Swarbrick had already been ticked off three times for interrupting it.

The truth?
■ In I wasn’t meant to be the one leading the haka’: Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke’
“I wasn’t even supposed to do that,” she said.
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi was supposed to have been the person who was handed the bill, ripped it and started the haka.
“But I knew I was going to get landed with something on that day and we’ve been prepping for about a year or so,” Maipi-Clarke told The Morning Shift.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360491389/i-wasnt-meant-be-one-doing-haka-hana-rawhiti-maipi-clarke

This is plainly an example of the “fourth domain working as a fifth column”
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October 5, 2025 8:21am
- PurplePen
  
  Telling about the quality of Time magazine journalism.
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:02am
  - R
    
    Time magazine became irresponsible in the mid 1960’s. Haven’t read Time since about 1970. Factually biased articles
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Does Time not have still its own representative who is also a member of the NZ Herald staff ?
    This is not the first time such has come forth from the Time if I remember correctly.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:38pm
- Foxfour
  
  Yes. Hakas in the chamber have been done before , under the correct protocols.
  Its a gross misrepresentation to say that they couldnt be accommodated .
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:15am
- Owen
  
  So it took them a year to organise a haka!
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:21am
  - R
    
    Very slow, low IQ thinkers as demonstrated daily by their performance as MP’s
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:10am
- Swifty
  
  Come back to me when Maipi-Clarke has actually achieved something. Something tough and consequential.
  
  You know, like getting the country back on a firm financial footing, or how we sustainably fund our aging population, about how we return our education system to being in the top few in the world, or sustainably solving our national energy production needs etc.
  
  Until then she is a nothing, and quite possibly one of hundreds in my life who have come and gone in our Parliament and achieved a big, fat zero other than created a lot of noise or chaos.
  
  (As an aside, annointments such as this is a little unfair on Maipi-Clarke in my view as it inevitably sets her up for failure and creates unrealistic expectations in the minds of many for her future.)
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    creates unrealistic expectations in the minds of many for her future.
    
    Let’s hope she’s sensible enough to carve her own path through life.
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:23am
    - Flossie
      
      I would hope so too Maggy but it does appear that she is being “guided” by her party’s elite. She says it was not her idea to rip up the bill and start the haka.
      
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      October 5, 2025 1:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She says it was not her idea to rip up the bill and start the haka.
        
        surprise, surprise!!!
        
        There’s a history of bullies hiding behind women folk when the shit needs shovelling.
        
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        October 5, 2025 5:01pm
    - Paulus
      
      As a Tainui she took the seat lost from Nanaia Cybele Mahuta.
      Will she or her Party last ?
      
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      October 5, 2025 1:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Hooerald report says the Maori Party’s Hana-Rawhiti Maipa-Clarke has been recognised by “Time” magazine in its list of “the world’s most influential rising stars.”
      
      Back in the day a “Time” cover portrayal trumpeted by a Kiwi politician meant a cover-page treatement in the South Pacific edition, but Maipa-Clarke’s mention comes as write-up by a former Democrat United States Secretary of the Interior, Debra Anne Haaland, who held that post from 2021 to 2025. It oversees Government including the Bureau of Land Management, the United States Geological Survey, the National Park Service, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
      
      Haaland’s mother is a Luna Pueblo Indian (her father was Norwegian), and she was one of the first two American-Indian women elected to Congress. Haaland, who is 64, will run for the governorship of New Mexico next year. Guess Maipa-Clarke will be headed for the US if the Maori Party gets tossed out of Parliament at next general election.
      
      You can find Maipa-Clarke’s description by Haaland in the “100 leaders” section of the magazine (other “leaders” include Trump press secretary, Karoline Leavitt). This is worth a glance to get into perspective the Maori Party MP’s mention:
      
      https://time.com/collections/time100-next-2025/
      
      Haaland’s own story:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Haaland
      
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      October 5, 2025 2:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’ve just read the whole RNZ piece.
    
    “Writing for Time, Deb Haaland – former US secretary of the interior under President Joe Biden – said Maipi-Clarke was a “link in the chain of activists who sacrificed for us and inspire us every day”.
    
    “Using her platform and voice, she staved off attempts to disenfranchise communities and attack Indigenous rights. In the grand scheme of things, she represents something that rings true: young people are not just leaders of tomorrow, they are also taking the helm and fighting for the future they deserve.”
    
    What a load of misinformed nonsense from Haaland.
    
    With the TPB no-one was being disenfranchised and no rights were being attacked, let alone any indigenous ‘rights’.
    
    And if there are people who are inspired by a 21-year old who has achieved absolutely nothing then they deserve everything they’re going to get from her and the Maori Party.
    
    Absolutely nil.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    Deb Haaland:
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BTgTKdh62Q0
    
    She’d make good mates with Clare Curran.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    “Until then she is a nothing, and quite possibly one of hundreds in my life who have come and gone in our Parliament and achieved a big, fat zero other than created a lot of noise or chaos.”
    
    Would make a good summary of the Arden years actually.
    
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    October 5, 2025 2:32pm
- Philview
  
  We have to wonder the networks in place that worked to get her on that list. Why not Brooke van Velden?
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:35am
  - yossarian
    
    Tania Tapsell? Oops wrong side of the political divide.
    
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    October 5, 2025 3:05pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Just goes to show that the prizes go to narcissistic radicals in today’s world. Far as I can tell she’s not too bright.
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:02pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Back when I went to school, I was taught that Maori men did the haka while women did the karanga.
  
  Far from following in the footsteps of (some of) her ancestors, by leading the haka Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke was disrespecting their cultural traditions and mores.
  
  But the Left are happy to gloss over detail such as this.
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:56pm
Dougal10

Is hipkins still the labour leader because he knows it will take the current govt 2 terms to fix cindys mess
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October 5, 2025 8:38am
- Jethrod
  
  But,but,but…. he has Ginny, Willie, Megan, Duncan and not to forget Kieran, Ayesha and Barbara, so what could go wrong???!!!!
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:42am
  - pdm
    
    The real Labour up and comer will be Arena Williams I think.
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:26am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      She is unlikely to get a high position as the good ole boys in Labour don’t seem to pick Maori for some reason. She would better off in the current coalition.
      
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      October 5, 2025 11:40am
- Foxfour
  
  Was no ‘mess’ thats just National/Act misinformation. Anyway its all blamed on Trumps tariffs is the lastest spin
  
  *2023 June GDP annual growth 3.2% ( nows its negative , and no inflation isnt included)
  *Unemployment was 3.6% but 5.2% now.
  
  The economic facts dont agree with your claims
  Annual rate of food price increases had fallen last year and this year they have increased month on month
  stats NZ numbers % previous 12 months
  Jan-25 2.3
  Feb-25 2.4
  Mar-25 3.5
  Apr-25 3.7
  May-25 4.4
  Jun-25 4.6
  Jul-25 5
  
  Somehow the Finance and Economic Growth Minister keeps having ‘thought bubbles’ on how to bring food prices down but like Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall of a supermarket duopoly
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:27am
  - Swifty
    
    We’ve had the same duopoly for years and years and when food price inflation was low.
    
    Is it your claim that they’ve got very greedy all of a sudden like just since National has got in?
    
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    October 5, 2025 10:34am
  - mandk
    
    Ok, tell us what food price inflation was in June 2023 and what it is now.
    
    And how about rent inflation in June 2023 and what it is now?
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:18pm
    - Taieri
      
      Not sure about the rent inflation as I’m not a renter.
      But there certainly is still quite a high inflation with respect to power prices. Just got an email from my electricity supplier advising that the daily fixed rate will go up by 19.9 % and kWh price will go up by 8.25%. The last price increase was exactly 1 year ago and the prices increased the by 24.1% and 10.9% respectively. All before GST.
      Looks like wind, sunshine and water will soon be unaffordable.
      
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      October 5, 2025 1:59pm
- R
  
  3 terms… at a minimum!, if we are lucky.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:13am
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Most Jews say Israel is committing war crimes — and 39 percent say genocide
“Many American Jews sharply disapprove of Israel’s conduct of the war in Gaza, with 61 percent saying Israel has committed war crimes and about 4 in 10 saying the country is guilty of genocide against the Palestinians, according to a Washington Post poll.”
Of course they blame Netanyahu most of all

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/06/jewish-americans-israel-poll-gaza/

Just as WW1 in NZ led to a rise in anti Teutonic beliefs and actions, the same happened in WW2 for anti Nippon actions.
Jews now are paying a price for Netanyahu’s war crimes
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October 5, 2025 8:38am
- Southern Raider
  
  That poll is no different to TVNZ reporting where they continually go to the same couple of “Jews” for perspectives on Israel and claim the interviewees are “Jews community leaders”.
  
  When in reality those “Jews” represent about 10 people of a 6000 community and DO NOT represent the community at all let alone have any senior roles.
  
  Lefties like yourself just need to comprehend Zionism is about having a Jewish homeland and 98% of Jews globally support that, but get labelled by people like you as Zionists as if it’s a bad thing.
  
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  October 5, 2025 8:50am
  - Foxfour
    
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    Read the story its about the war crimes- genocide in Gaza/Netahahu not Israel in general
    
    All ‘youse’ are asked to do is to read the salient points
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:52am
- G152
  
  Years ago I had to look up maritime law and there is a bit there about blockade runners and how to deal with them…..
  I’d love to see them trying to discuss their ‘rights’ with the pissed off IDF navy under said law
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:00am
  - Foxfour
    
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    Must have been more than a few years ago, perhaps half a century as the modern UN law of Sea has different rules
    
    “The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) guarantees freedom of navigation, but blockades are permissible under specific international laws of armed conflict, provided they meet strict criteria: public notification, practical enforcement, impartiality, no hindrance to neutral ports, and no obstruction of humanitarian aid
    A blockade can only be implemented during an armed conflict and must respect international humanitarian law, which prohibits actions like starving civilian populations or hindering essential relief operations. ” AI summary
    
    The Gaza flotilla is bringing humanitarian aid so is exempt under Maritime law.
    Not that Israel respects any international Laws.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:59am
    - Gary Benner
      
      Pity that the latest “flotilla” was carrying no aid ….
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:14am
      - cmm
        
        C’mon that’s fibs…
        
        They had the boat’s first aid kit and two spare tins of baked beans!
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:27am
      - Foxfour
        
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        baby formula, food and medical supplies.
        They know international law
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:31am
      - Phronesis
        
        I must try that next time I’m going through customs at LAX. You have to let me in, I’m carrying a chocolate bar for the starving children. Gaza isn’t a country so it’s not a blockade, it’s just border enforcement.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:11am
      - pdm
        
        Foxfour were you one of the drongos I saw on the Marine Parade in Napier yesterday at about 12.30pm waving Palestine flags and yelling at passing cars?
        
        I hope I do not offend you if you were there but, the lot of them looked stupid.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:31am
    - Master Mariner
      
      “The Gaza flotilla is bringing humanitarian aid so is exempt under Maritime law.”
      I have eluded to this question on the first “Aid Convoy” etc.
      Where were they Boarded ? Outside Territorial Waters > 12nm ( Looked like Egyptian Waters) or Israeli Waters < 12nm. ?
      UNCLOS Mainly deals with Rights Of Navigation . An Aid Convoy carrying weapons ( Or percieved to, ie Ukrainian / Russia War) has no Bearing on UNCLOS.
      On a side note, From a Legal perspective I do not understand why there was No complaints raised by the registered Flag ( Country of Origin) in the original Aid? convoy. I can only conclude it was Privately owned and outside of UNCLOS rules?
      I have not bothered to look further into it.
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:36am
      - Paulus
        
        Were the vessels not owned and registered in Gaza City ?
        
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        October 5, 2025 1:44pm
    - Southern Raider
      
      Even the instagram wannabe celebrities on that boat have provided no evidence there was every any aid on board.
      
      The closest to medical supplies found was empty condom wrappers.
      
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      October 5, 2025 11:06am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Letters of Mart (marque) and Counter Mart (Marque).
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:08am
- Cassandra
  
  Washington Post? Gimme a break.
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:26am
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    You beat me to it, Cass.
    Next up: Farage least popular politician of all time, according Guardian poll.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:41am
  - john1234
    
    [Mod – debate without the abuse]
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:43am
    - john1234
      
      Censorship of opinion is out of control here.
      
      [Mod – it’s very simple, debate the topics, don’t write an entire post that is just personal abuse directed at another member]
      
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      October 5, 2025 12:29pm
- JackRabbit
  
  …Most Jews say Israel is committing war crimes…
  
  Perhaps you don’t understand war.
  
  War itself is a crime. The moment you fire a rocket, use a gun and injure or kill, it is a crime. There are no generic rules of war. No-one stops for lunch, or smoko.
  
  There are however non humanitarian acts such as rape, torture, cutting off limbs, and inflicting unnecessary suffering that go beyond a stated reason for the conflict. These are governed by International Humanitarian Law.
  
  Infractions of International Humanitarian Law are not decided by opinion polls and surveys. They are decided by evidence.
  
  You will find the breaches of International Humanitarian Law that triggered this war were perpetrated against Israel. Not by Israel.
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ff
  
  It seems that your downtickers don’t like the polls saying most Jewish people disagree with Netanyahu and his government.
  
  Could one or two of them say why ?
  
  Otherwise it looks like they are saying they know the situation better than the actual occupants of Israel.
  
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  October 5, 2025 10:59am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Because as I posted above the poll is very selective and doesn’t reflect the broad view of Jews outside Israel on both Zionism and the war in Gaza.
    
    As with almost every community on earth there is always a small fringe minority who go out of their way to do irreparable damage to their broader community. Jews are no different. In NZ there is about 10 self hating Marxist Jews who the media always interviews as representative of the community when they are actually counter to the community opinion. USA is probably worse with a very vocal set of anti Israel Jewish groups mainly in college campuses or very liberal cities.
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:49pm
    - Paulus
      
      Yes, our media are the ones who are going all out to denigrate New Zealand as often as they can, employing people with little responsibility to their passports – presumably only for money and a twisted sence of New Zealand loyalty and to get their name in the media as often as they can.
      Nasty Sad lot, who continually believe they are the most clever people in the Country.!
      
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      October 5, 2025 1:48pm
- rouppe
  
  If Israel was committing genocide then:
  1. They wouldn’t be telling civilians to move before entering an area they’d just be mowing everyone down
  2. They’d be doing the same thing in the West Bank
  3. They’d have already rounded up every Arab in Israel
  
  Yes conditions in Gaza are awful and people are struggling. The solution to that has been in the hands of Hamas for two years.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:03am
- Scott
  
  There is no genocide. There are no war crimes. Israel is prosecuting a war that they did not start.
  Hopefully Israel will win the war quickly, Hamas will surrender and return all the hostages.
  
  They took hostages. Hamas killed a 1000 Jews and bragged about it. Yet somehow lefties support Hamas and think I’m a good person. No you’re not.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:09am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Laughable Fox. Given there are over 2 million “Palestinians” living in Israel, if there was a genocide, Israel are appallingly bad at carrying it out.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:45am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77nxzbqR3I
Walmart CEO Makes Move That Affects Every Food Shopper.
It’s about time we got someone who actually cares about what’s in our food. Thanks RFK, and Walmart.
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October 5, 2025 8:44am
- Ghost
  
  Read the labels and you can see what is in your food.
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:31am
  - Fender
    
    Yes like you understand all the scientific names and codes without massive research
    Why bother posting, someone obviously woke up on wrong side of the bed
    
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    October 5, 2025 10:16am
    - Ghost
      
      Massive research? Do you not own a smartphone? People actually do check the labels on food and know what not to buy, it’s not that hard. Many are conscious about what they are putting into their body. You can even get apps for it if you need help
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:26am
      - imalwaysright
        
        If its in a can or a plastic bag then its probably got preservatives or additives.
        I would say that sugar is the biggest immediate threat.
        A packet of salt and vinegar has a teaspoon of sugar in it.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:04am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        It’s probably smarter not to eat it if you need a smart phone to tell you what it is.
        
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        October 5, 2025 12:12pm
    - sungsamning
      
      That won’t stop me. Its great seeing a Kennedy around the US cabinet table again.
      
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      October 5, 2025 12:57pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Maybe if you have a PHD in chemistry.
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:57pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, as I said, you can get apps to help you if needed.
      
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      October 5, 2025 1:07pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI13OLN5_j8
Trump’s Master Plan to Ensure Democrats Never Win Another Election.
President Trump makes strategic moves against a Democrat shutdown, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem exposes Biden-era TSA abuses, John Eastman breaks down former FBI Director James Comey’s indictment, and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) invites the American public into her office.
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October 5, 2025 8:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Chloe scores a freebie…

https://centrist.nz/sean-plunket-reveals-who-paid-for-chloe-swarbricks-uk-business-class-seat/
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October 5, 2025 8:56am
- Foxfour
  
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  Plunket is wrong, the global reinsurance market has a strong effect in NZ due to those little things called Natural disasters.
  EQC has to pay for both reinsurance and an annual fee for the Crown funding guarantee
  2024 FY was $414 mill for reinsurance and $10 mill for crown guarantee
  I wont link to the annual report as its triggering for the bilingual phobics
  The other insurance companies pay large sums too
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m looking forward to Bryce Edwards’ take on the matter…
    
    https://theintegrityinstitute.org.nz/lobbying-corrupts-decisions/
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:16am
  - Cassandra
    
    And Chloe flying business class to Europe achieves precisely what?
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:28am
    - john1234
      
      No lefty grifter ever turns away baubles.
      Meanwhile, a morose polar bear on a diminishing iceberg shakes its paw at Chloe as she flies overhead.
      
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      October 5, 2025 9:45am
      - Ghost
        
        Neither does anyone called ~~sir~~ Winston Peters
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:34am
    - Foxfour
      
      Why do Politian’s of all stripes head to Europe in their Summer and late summer
      National and Labour both had Mps on this junket…
      “was joined by Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Scott Simpson and Labour MP Rachel Brooking”
      
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      October 5, 2025 9:49am
      - Cassandra
        
        Chloe is the one peddling the burning world BS. A Commerce Minister might be able to justify the travel. A Green opposition MP not so much.
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:03am
      - PurplePen
        
        Greens hold themselves to a higher standard on morality, climate change and the environment and are loud about it as well. Hence the callout on a Green party leader flying internationally when much can be done via a video link.
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:07am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Simple. Because they aren’t in it for you or me, they’re in it for themselves, European summer holidays at taxpayer expense included.
        
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        October 5, 2025 11:22am
      - Conservatarian
        
        National and Labour do so as they look to European politicians, bureaucrats and the universal human rights grift for new and innovative ways to import the third world and to continue to expand the state (especially the welfare state).
        
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        October 5, 2025 12:52pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      And Chloe flying business class to Europe achieves precisely what?
      
      Provides a distraction for us to get upset about thereby distracting us from investigating the multiple real reasons for her trip. You can’t plan anti-democratic activities over the phone or email. It is all tracked.
      
      Junkets like Davos and other world meetings allow private conversations to be had in private rooms. The pattern doesn’t change.
      
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      October 5, 2025 10:58am
    - R
      
      Massaged her ego, and boosted her low self esteem, besides it was a experiential she could never have afforded if she had ever been employed in some real world career
      
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      October 5, 2025 11:21am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Makes her feel like the special princess she knows she is, at the cost of about 3x the fuel consumption for her travel.
      
      Every revolutionary is a closeted aristocrat (ie a Narcissist)
      
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      October 5, 2025 6:44pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    “the global reinsurance market has a strong effect in NZ due to those little things called Natural disasters.”
    
    Indeed it does.
    
    But where things are wrong is in Councils declaring a “Climate Emergency” and issuing very “Dubious” sea level reports as well other “Climate” related forecasts / Reports. This has nothing to do with there Mandates and the obvious conclusion is Insurance raising rates , ( There is a Fool Born every day and Insurers are happy to jump on the band wagon).
    This is enabled by Willing /Negligent Governments by allowing this to happen.
    Cost of Living anyone ? Insurance gone up ?
    This is the difference.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:44am
  - JackRabbit
    
    How does Chloe holding a political interview pushing her socialist and anti-wealth rhetoric constitute attending a re-insurance conference?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_LgDjpzxE&t=364s
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:57am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Simple, She enables insurance to go up directly and indirectly thereby making it less affordable to own your own home,
      These Fruit cakes come from the ” You will own nothing and be happy ” mantra.
      They are envious of others that save and work hard to get ahead.
      Making the cost of owning your own home gets in the way of this Ideology unfortunately.
      
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      October 5, 2025 12:45pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Marxist Ideology.
        
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        October 5, 2025 1:53pm
  - rouppe
    
    And what possible value will Chloe Swarbrick bring to that conference?
    
    She’s not involved in the industry, she has no insights, research, experience or expert knowledge.
    
    She’s expended unnecessary carbon emissions for absolutely no value. The epitome of selfish hypocrisy.
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:10am
    - AitchW
      
      She’ll flounce round in a rainbow keffiyeh and make virtue signalling and pointless announcements.
      
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      October 5, 2025 2:43pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ff
    
    Every insurance company reinsures.
    Its called spreading the risk.
    
    Bookmakers do the same thing so that they can’t go broke when an outsider comes in or the favourites have a good day.
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:11am
  - Paulus
    
    As being retired from over 40 years in Reinsurance worldwide with an intimate understanding of the ramifications I totally agree with Foxfour.
    Sadly it remains somewhat in a higher plain that the general public and the media would ever see.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:53pm
- Taieri
  
  Hope she’s got a window seat, to see the climate change better…
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:27am
  - JackRabbit
    
    She doesn’t care about climate change. That is just one of the issues on her song sheet.
    
    If she did, she would have a full on attack on Al Gore for preaching the climate change gospel, but buying a sea front property with the carbon footprint of a small African town.
    
    If she did, she would have been demonstrating on Parliament steps, attacking NZ going to Davos with all those hundreds of personal jets with big carbon footprints.
    
    If she did, she would have refused the re-insurance junket, and raising it in the house, with “Think about the planet, use zoom or watch the telecast.”
    
    But no, she was there boots and all.
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:05am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I would be happy to donate for a first class ticket for Chloe.
  
  It would be conditional on being non-return (ever).
  
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  October 5, 2025 12:20pm
artemisia

Aged care facilities already under pressure from closures, and that age demographic is certainly increasing.

Monty Bethan’s daughter is on the front page today – Boxing legend Monty Betham Snr has been served with an eviction notice from his rest home because his daughter Chante was apparently upsetting staff with her complaints

Does sound like a litany of issues, possibly over more than this care facility. But even so, rest homes that are not sustainable will continue to close and the ones that remain will make business decisions in that sector environment. Which seems to have happened in this case.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360841510/soul-destroying-family-boxing-legend-monty-betham-snr-slam-rest-home-care
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October 5, 2025 8:57am
- hookerphil
  
  Thought this bit probably summed up the attitude of the complaint.
  “On other occasions it was alleged her voice was “raised and aggressive in tone”, and she’d questioned an immigrant nurse’s familiarity with the Treaty framework.”
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:58am
  - Swifty
    
    The aged care providers wouldn’t have taken that decision lightly, I reckon.
    
    They will have their reasons.
    
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    October 5, 2025 10:36am
Notsofast

“Te Pāti Māori MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke has been recognised by Time magazine as one of “the world’s most influential rising stars”.

Maipi-Clarke was aged just 21 when elected to Parliament in 2023.

Time said she “shook the world” when she performed a haka during a vote on the Treaty Principles Bill last year.”

Lefties losing it?
This seems a modest body of work to elevate her to queenhood.

Not paywalled as clearly of vital national interest.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574993/te-pati-maori-mp-hana-rawhiti-maipi-clarke-named-by-time-as-one-of-the-world-s-most-influential-rising-stars
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October 5, 2025 9:18am
Foxfour

Sanae Takaichi set to be Japan’s first female PM after winning Liberal Democratic Party leadership contest
‘Ms Takaichi is a conservative and regards former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher as a role model.’
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-04/japan-ldp-leadership-election-results/105852408
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October 5, 2025 9:22am
- Wandering Star
  
  Margaret Thatcher was not a conservative – she was the poster child for neo-liberalism, which is the opposite of conservatism.
  
  Maybe you liked what she did (and nearly 5o years later, once the dust has settled and looking at Britain, that’s a reach), but if you are a Thatcher/Reagan acolyte, then you are not conservative.
  
  Japan with a female fan of neo-liberal Thatcher? That’s the end of Japanese culture then.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:17am
- sungsamning
  
  Oh, that’s good news. I hope Japan does well under her leadership.
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:03pm
MCōs

An interesting opinion piece in the NYT re the peace process in Northern Ireland and similarities to Gaza
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/opinion/northern-ireland-war-gaza-resolution.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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October 5, 2025 9:26am
- Cassandra
  
  A paywalled article isn’t all that helpful or interesting. Give us a summary.
  
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  October 5, 2025 9:30am
  - john1234
    
    Doesn’t seem to be paywalled for me, both otherwise website archive.is is your friend.
    
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    October 5, 2025 9:48am
  - MCōs
    
    No I’m not giving you a summary
    If you’re interested put your money down like l did and stop grizzled
    $US20 for a year it cost me
    
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    October 5, 2025 11:07am
    - NothingLeft
      
      NYT is a left wing/deep state propaganda organ, not too far removed from the bascially unreadable Grauniad.
      
      paying them to continue pushing their destructive lies is bad for democracy.
      
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      October 5, 2025 6:55pm
Biscuit

Sad weekend

* Dame Patricia Routledge – ‘it’s boo-KAY!’ – dies

* The AFL puts an end to Aussie Rules’ time-honoured centre bounce

* The last of the limestone stack Twelve Apostles falls into the sea off Victoria’s Great Ocean Road

* The iconic Shelly Bay Chocolate Fish Cafe is closing

* Liverpool get toppled from their rightful EPL Numero Uno possy

Crowdfund details to help me get over my grief will follow…
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October 5, 2025 10:36am
- R
  
  Biscuit, have you forgotten already, that we defeated Australia in the Bledisloe Cup match last night.
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:27am
  - Paulus
    
    There are many now who could not care less about the All Blacks win or lose !
    Rugby – at least male, being a violent game, is becoming less popular generally.
    
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    October 5, 2025 1:57pm
- Flossie
  
  Really NONE of the Twelve Apostles still there?!
  
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  October 5, 2025 11:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s still 5….
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/twelve-apostles-are-down-to-five-and-the-sea-could-reclaim-another-any-minute-20251003-p5mzym.html
    
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    October 5, 2025 12:54pm
    - Biscuit
      
      I erred?
      
      Sniff!
      
      I don’t suppose that my info that Liverpool lost at Chelsea this a.m. was incorrect too?
      
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      October 5, 2025 5:32pm
- MCōs
  
  I read some excellent advice once
  Whenever you see the word *iconic*, substitute *fairly interesting*
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:04pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The last on your list, Biccie, is not regarded by all as a calamity.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  October 5, 2025 2:03pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Oi, NMTB, haven’t you got some bike stands you should be counting?
    
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    October 5, 2025 5:33pm
Swifty

Multiculturalism, certainly with respect to Islamic compatibility with the Weat, is one complete failure:

https://x.com/qbccintegrity/status/1974452389030867263?s=46

The genie is out of the bottle now and it’s going to be incredibly difficult to get it back in.

Welcome to our future.
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October 5, 2025 10:48am
- imalwaysright
  
  The violent Muslims are operating at will because they know we are hamstrung by our own laws.
  Once they make us chose between being law abiding or protecting our children they will find the backlash ultra violent and terminal.
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:02pm
- MCōs
  
  The future is already here in this household
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    And?
    
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    October 5, 2025 2:18pm
Sparrow

Question: How do the authorities know the person ticking the Māori ethnicity box for various government services is Māori? Apparently I could be taken as Māori as am swarthy until I open my pommy mouth.
This has always puzzled me.
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October 5, 2025 12:22pm
- Taieri
  
  They don’t. They have to take it on the face value as non-tribal, urban Maori have no way of proving their Maoriness, particularly if it’s a bit diluted.
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Us NZ born non Maori are honest
  
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  October 5, 2025 1:53pm
  - Fender
    
    Think you will find the uni students have cottoned on to this and are taking full advantage of the fact and who can blame them
    It would be wise for all here to tick a few boxes occasionally on govt forms because it may give your grandchildren a leg up at some point
    Certainly no harm in being flexible with facts
    If you can identify as a woman being part Maori is easy
    
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    October 5, 2025 2:55pm
    - MCōs
      
      No thanks
      Ripping the system off doesn’t sit well with me, but you go ahead
      
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      October 5, 2025 5:43pm
- PurplePen
  
  Tick away. No-one can nor will challenge you.
  
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  October 5, 2025 6:32pm
Philview

I read an article the other day about the actor Sid James who used to be in those Carry on Films. Although he played Englishman roles he was actually a South African of Jewish heritage. Pictures of him as a young man he actually looked like he was of black African race. I found this surprising. He is probably a forgotten name unless you watched Carry On films growing up.
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October 5, 2025 1:49pm
- AitchW
  
  I always thought the characters he played were pretty sleazy!
  
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  October 5, 2025 2:40pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, the chances for a ceasefire in Gaza are looking brighter than they have in the past couple of years (let’s not nickel & dime dates).

The Left are maintaining a studied silence, which is more than I expected from them, I have to say.

But then, their bankrupt ideology has been completely torpedoed by their arch enemy.

Burn, Lefties!
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October 5, 2025 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see Jack Tame interview Race Relations Commissioner, Melissa Derby this morning?

She was trying to expand her role to include trans.

There are race issues in NZ here, but I do not think her role should involve trans.

Thumbs up if you agree with me.
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October 5, 2025 2:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  but I do not think her role should involve trans.
  
  and why not?
  The legislation clearly states that the Human Rights Chief Commissioner can direct his subordinates into other priority areas.
  
  A Commissioner must lead the work of the Commission in any other priority area that is designated by the Chief Commissioner, and the Chief Commissioner may designate an area of work as a priority area only in accordance with the strategic direction and the general nature of activities determined by the Commission under section 7(1) and after consultation with the Minister and the other Commissioners.
  
  https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0082/latest/DLM304289.html
  
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  October 5, 2025 2:54pm
- Ghost
  
  You should try watching the interview
  
  Jack was asking her questions about the human rights act and the rights it gives to racial groups, she was asked if she supported racial groups having that protection, she agreed. He asked about other groups. , and what about gay and lesbian, she agreed, she replied that it is out of her wheel house
  
  She went on to say that her role is to advocate for ethnic and racial, ethic groups and different faith groups.
  
  Anyone can watch the interview at
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLhz2fWGIE
  
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  October 5, 2025 3:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Melissa Derby says (about 2:18 into the video) that New Zealand is one of the most diverse countries in the world. Untrue.
    
    NZ isn’t in the world’s ten most diverse countries according to the link below. It’s not in the top ten ethnically, linguistically, or religiously.
    
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-diverse-countries
    
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    October 5, 2025 4:49pm
    - PurplePen
      
      There’s quite a lot of pleasant countries in the less than 25 percent group. As with all things in the universe, it’s never the extreme ends of any spectrum that are stable. Japan is definitely an outlier.
      
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      October 5, 2025 6:38pm
      - Christopher Thomson
        
        The ends of the spectrum tend to be the most stable. It’s the top of the curve that has the most strife and a tendancy to civil war.
        
        Here’s why;
        
        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ACD84IPD6vw
        
        The post was why Britain is on the brink of civil war. Well worth using that short to get the full interview.
        
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        October 5, 2025 10:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    And at 8:30 into the video, Jack Tame says Maori have 50 per cent of the home-ownership rates of non-Maori.
    
    There’s an important factor in this.
    
    Maori land is community owned and can’t be sold — it’s inalienable. Therefore it’s useless as security for borrowing.
    
    Maori can’t use mum and dad’s tribal communal property as security if they want to buy their own house on non-Maori land (or for borrowing the traditional start-up capital of small NZ businesses).
    
    If they want a bank mortgage to build on Maori land they might be lucky if they get a movable house that meets requirements, but they will still miss the loan security of the land the house sits on.
    
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    October 5, 2025 5:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      It is possible to obtain a loan to build or buy a house on Maori land
      https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/home-ownership/kainga-whenua/kainga-whenua-loans-for-individuals/
      About thirty or forty years ago I did some drawings for family friends to build a house on Maori land near Thames. I don’t know if they had a mortgage or not, but I do know it was such a rigmarole they wished they’d never started.
      
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      October 5, 2025 5:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Cossie, the link you provide shows that the borrowing requirement for a Kiwibank Kainga Whenua loan is pretty much as I described in my post above about Maori land as borrowing security. The link adds:
        
        No deposit is required for a loan below $200,000, but there is a deposit requirement of 5% for every dollar borrowed above $200,000. For example, a $400,000 loan would require a deposit of $10,000.
        
        It continues:
        
        — If you are building a relocatable or offsite manufactured house your solicitor must have a trust account to enable an escrow arrangement.
        
        — You need to be able to obtain land tenure that meets the security requirements of Kainga Ora.
        
        State Advances was once the apt title for Kainga Ora, which seems to translate as Healthy Housing.
        
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        October 5, 2025 6:34pm
    - artemisia
      
      Partition orders can be available to individual or groups of owners. Ownership passses by succession so each generation’s share is reduced.
      
      Not quite grains of rice on the chessboard yet, but heading in that direction.
      
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      October 5, 2025 6:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        The partition of Maori land must be approved by the Maori Land Court.
        
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        October 5, 2025 6:53pm
Chuck Bird

Why not? Because trans rights should not trump women’s rights in sport and women’s spaces.
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October 5, 2025 3:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No need to buy into identity politics…
  either someone’s human rights have been abused or they haven’t.
  
  Someone in the Human Rights Commission is going to be involved if a trans person complains or is complained about.
  Why shouldn’t it be Melissa Derby if that is what Stephen Rainbow and the other Commissioners have decided?
  
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  October 5, 2025 3:17pm
Chuck Bird

Should we go as far as Oz, where a paedophile who abused 5 year old daughter puts on a dress and ended up in a women’s prison?
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October 5, 2025 3:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Chuck Bird

Have you read this?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/17-08-2024/can-you-be-a-human-rights-commissioner-and-transphobic-at-the-same-time
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October 5, 2025 3:34pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yes. I got “Your comment is awaiting moderation”
  for an earlier comment. Did you report me?
  
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  October 5, 2025 3:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not that I’m aware of..
    
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    October 5, 2025 3:48pm
NothingLeft

beer prices around the world: NZ is amongst most expensive – about 3x cost of a beer in Berlin.

Imagine impact this is having on our languishing hospo sector.
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October 5, 2025 7:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ve been buying quart bottles at the pub for $10.
  
  Only Tui or Speights, ‘tis true. But, so many of those micro breweries charge the earth for their product. I’m unsurprised they’re starting to fold.
  
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  October 5, 2025 7:47pm
- Jethrod
  
  Ahhh…. there is good beer, better beer then steinlager(uuuugh)!
  
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  October 5, 2025 8:52pm
greybeard

Could this Netball NZ rubbish be something to do with enforcement of maorification of the sport ?
I am at a loss as to why none of the people involved have come out and said exactly what are the problems :
Taurua, the players , NetballNZ, high-performance sportNZ, the govt ( as major contributors to Hi-Perf SportNZ ), etc.
The nub of the problem is being withheld.
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