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NeverMindTheBollocks

I’ve been thinking about the origins of the Maori, specifically whether they came from a single Polynesian island group or whether some came from Tonga, others at other times from Samoa, and so on.

The evidence seems to rely on oral tradition and archeology, plus some linguistic analysis (Cook Is Maori). From a quick scan, I’ve not seen any genetic testing to see whether today’s Maoris have genes that are more or less likely to any particular Pacific Island group. Maoris go off like a pork chop if anyone digs up the ancestors, but pre contact human remains would surely offer some insight, while there seem to still be plenty of people in the Islands whose ancestry is pure Islander.
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October 11, 2025 8:00am
- JackRabbit
  
  “The evidence seems to rely on oral tradition…”
  
  More like selected oral tradition, and not oral history.
  
  Those that lived here before the Maori, came from China, Asia, South America…
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:43am
  - R
    
    When your ancestral origins are really vague, and only supported by oral memory; past from generation to generation, there is an understandable reluctance to submit such ‘history'(?) to factual scientific examination and research. This reluctance is very understandable since the cementing into legislation the concept of the Treaty of Waitangi, which has provided such a lucrative source of income, compatible with a European lifestyle.
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:52am
    - JackRabbit
      
      That being the case, and all oral history is debunked, then why is there general belief that current Maori arrived here 800 year ago? That is all oral history.
      
      Perhaps they arrived here 20 years before Captain Cook?
      
      But luckily we have cave paintings in South Canterbury that predate Maori by over 2000 years. We have the adze and tree stump that was found under the last major Auckland volcanic layer that goes back 30,000 years and plenty of other evidence.
      
      On the basis of the principle you are espousing we cannot also take Maori at their word.
      
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      October 11, 2025 1:14pm
  - greybeard
    
    Chinese Whispers:
    “The game Chinese whispers, also known as Telephone, involves players forming a line to whisper a message from one person to the next until the last person reveals the final message. The objective is to illustrate how easily communication can be distorted, leading to a drastically different outcome from the original message.”
    
    Something to bear in mind when discussing maori “history and culture”.
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:55am
    - jonno1
      
      My dad’s favourite version of that from WW2 was “Send reinforcements, we’re going to advance”, which became “Send three and sixpence, we’re going to a dance”.
      
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      October 11, 2025 2:49pm
- virtualmark
  
  I recommend watching the “Origins” TV series, which is on TVNZ+. I think you’ll find it answers your questions.
  
  Presented by Scotty Morrison. He traces the Polynesian migration back through Tahiti, Tonga, the Cooks, Vanuatu and then, finally, to Taiwan.
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:35am
  - R
    
    Based on what factual source of provable information? Seems to be mainly supposition based on oral historical memory
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:57am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I saw the program when it was aired on TV. I thought it was very good. Scotty did not descend into the revisionist history so eagerly pedalled by radical Maori today. He provided linguistic & DNA evidence, and cultural similarity.
      
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      October 11, 2025 12:27pm
- Dougal10
  
  They would all have come through tonga at some stage of the journey.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:26am
- Paulus
  
  DNA evidence accepted says that Maori came from Taiwan, via the Pacific Islands as we know them, as there are tribes in the South East Taiwan with similar genetics.
  
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  October 11, 2025 2:22pm
- Jake Dee
  
  “The evidence seems to rely on oral tradition and archeology, plus some linguistic analysis…”
  Wrong, well wrong. There has been a huge explosion in field of ancient DNA studies in the past 20 years. Relying on archeology plus linguists is 19th century stuff.
  Presented for you consideration,
  https://www.razibkhan.com/
  “Fortune favors the fearless: millennia of Austronesian maritime feats”
  https://www.razibkhan.com/p/fortune-favors-the-fearless-millennia
  
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  October 11, 2025 2:43pm
Cassandra

The peace prize, Nobel stipulated in his will, should be awarded by a “committee of five persons” selected by the Norwegian parliament to “the person who has done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the establishment and promotion of peace congresses”. Not too sure that many of those awarded so far did any of these things.

The committee has moved on from that and today’s award demonstrates that. But who could quibble with giving it to Machado?

There’s a good argument for giving it to Trump next year, depending on the success of the 20 point plan. As the Times put it this morning, the president can take credit for brokering a peace settlement which for the last two years has seemed impossibly remote.
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October 11, 2025 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Cass if Trump `knocks off’ the Ukraine invasion by Russia in the next 6 months then he will definitely be a certainty next year.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:13am
  - Foxfour
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    But not if Trump begins military attacks against Venezuela in the next few months.
    Trump has sent his dogs of war to the immediate region
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:41am
    - Cassandra
      
      Based on this morning’s award, I think the Nobel committee might endorse some action in Venezuela which resulted in regime change.
      
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      October 11, 2025 8:49am
    - leoj
      
      [Mod – debate the topics]
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:42am
  - mandk
    
    Why does he need to wait?
    
    Obama got his prize 9 months after his inauguration, just for being black.
    
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    October 11, 2025 9:01am
    - Conservatarian
      
      Half black you mean. And raised white.
      
      Some facts: His mother was white, and the father Kenyan. The father was barely present in Barry’s early life as he pursued his education away from where his wife and Barry were living. The father and the mother divorced when Barry was 2, and then the father left to go back to Kenya. He visited Barry one time, for Christmas when Barry was 10, and died when Barry was 21.
      
      So Barry grew up in a single mother household, just like c. 75% of all black (or “black”) children in the US.
      
      Opinion: It is, of course, not Barry’s fault that he had a deadbeat dad. Of course, all of this was sufficient for Barry to choose to identify as black, and more importantly, for others to project Barry as black.
      
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      October 11, 2025 10:39am
      - Don Beckett
        
        ‘Barry’s’ mother married an Indonesian & they lived in Indonesia where Barry was raised s a Muslim. He & his mother returned to Hawaii where he grew up & went to college, then to mainland USA – very briefly.
        
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        October 11, 2025 11:12am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Addition: He was known as Barry Sotero – his step-father’s surname.
        
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        October 11, 2025 11:21am
      - mandk
        
        Yes, but he would not have won if he had identified as white.
        
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        October 11, 2025 12:01pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        What about Biden (Obama’s puppet) who announced that HE Biden was the first black president?
        
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        October 11, 2025 1:17pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Trump used to identify as of Swedish heritage up till 1987
        
        Trump used to identify as Presbyterian but now ‘leans’ non denominational evangelical
        
        Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic in 2001 . In September 2009, he changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to “no party affiliation” (independent)
        Records show he changed party affiliation 5 times
        
        State records show that Trump donated US$6,000 ($9,107) in total to the then-California attorney-general’s Kamala Harris campaign — US$5,000 ($7,589) in September 2011 after she was first elected, and another US$1,000 ($1,518) in 2013.
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Trump used to identify as of Swedish heritage up till 1987’
        
        Really?
        Hadnt heard that one before
        Can you prove that?
        Maybe a link where he actually says it, not your usual hearsay.
        I’ve heard him say Scottish but not Swedish
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:22pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Donald Trump wrote in his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, that his grandfather came from Sweden.
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/trump-family-heritage
        https://theweek.com/speedreads/739921/trump-incorrectly-claimed-swedish-decades
        
        “There was a time when Trump was embarrassed to admit his German connection, to the extent that he denied it. His repeated references to himself as Swedish even prompted the Swedish town of Karlstad to begin planning a museum in his honour…..
        Only in the 1980s did Trump relent. In Kings of Kallstadt he made perhaps his frankest admission on the subject yet. “I have great German heritage. I’m very proud of it. Great place,” he said. “They grow ‘em well in Kallstadt … very well. Believe me, it’s good stock.”
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:59pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Obama got his prize 9 months after his inauguration, just for not being George W Bush.
      
      Skinny justification at the time. And quite quaint now looking back at the perception of George W as a warmonger.
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Indeed
        Barry was quite the killer
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:23pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    To get a cease fire in Ukraine, Trump will have to expose and stop the funding of Ukraine by UK, Europe, and the press ganging of normal Ukraine males into fighting. As well as other things not reported by the bought and paid for media.
    
    He also needs to expose that the entire Ukraine war is about the usual puppeteers getting their hands on the minerals in the Ukraine, and in Russia.
    
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    October 11, 2025 9:48am
    - Taieri
      
      To get a cease fire in Ukraine, Trump will have to
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      Demand unconditional surrender of Ukraine and jailing the notorious warmonger Zelenski…is that what you suggest?
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:24am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Let’s be real about “peace” and how it could be achieved: if Trump stopped all US taxpayer funding for both Ukraine and for Israel, that would end two wars at a stroke.
      
      It’s pretty ironic talking about Trump getting a Nobel Peace Prize for ending (which in reality, actually means pausing) the Gaza conflict. when he (as US President) could have ended it in January if he’d pulled funding to Israel.
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:30am
      - leoj
        
        Oh sure, it’s all USA’s fault.
        
        Who funded Hamas’s Oct 7th, 2023 attacks?
        
        [Mod – debate the topic and drop the personal crap]
        
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        October 11, 2025 11:45am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Are you blind in one eye Wandering Star? Just asking, since the obvious retort to your comment “if Trump stopped all US taxpayer funding for both Ukraine and for Israel, that would end two wars at a stroke” is that if Iran had stopped funding and arming Hamas and Russian stopped attacking Ukraine, both wars would have been stopped at a stroke. To most rational people, it is the aggressors that need to stop doing something WS.
        
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        October 11, 2025 12:02pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        “Oh sure, it’s all USA’s fault.”
        
        No, it’s Israeli’s fault ultimately, but they could never do what they do now, and have been doing since their inception, without the necessary financial, diplomatic and military assistance of US taxpayers.
        
        If you really believe Israel’s cause is a just one, then you should have no problem admitting the facts about how they are able to do it and why the US is so indispensable to the Zionist project.
        
        I think the main reason pointing it out makes people uncomfortable is because they know its wrong for one nation to instrumentalise another nation for goals that are not common to both nations.
        
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        October 11, 2025 12:14pm
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  It’s entirely Trumps fault, he should have been a black Democrat.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:45am
- redeye
  
  From the Spectator
  
  The late Tom Lehrer was right to say: ‘Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize’ in 1973, after Kissinger had, among other things, bombed Cambodia to smithereens.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kissinger was the acceptable Nazi.
    A truly evil man.
    
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    October 11, 2025 9:58am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Ah yes, good old Henry. Christopher Hitchens wrote an insightful book “The Trial of Henry Kissinger”. Well worth a read.
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:14am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My wife is still bitter about how Kissinger propped up that dreadful colonels’ regime in Greece 1967-74.
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:07pm
- imalwaysright
  
  As an aside, Nobel initiated the Nobel Prize when he read his own obituary which described him as the inventor of the most potent weapon of death.
  
  His brother had died and the newspaper printed Alfred’s obituary by mistake.
  
  Alfred was shocked and guilt ridden to see death as his legacy and so started the prize for peace.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:06am
- MCōs
  
  “But who could quibble with giving it to Machado?”
  The White House apparently, in the person of Steven Cheung, the White House communications director who wrote this on X
  
  https://x.com/stevencheung47/status/1976601157041856756?s=61
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/us/politics/nobel-trump-rubio-venezuela.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:12am
Master Mariner

Helen Clark to Head GAVI.
For those not aware it a Gates funded Vaccine Alliance and was the major proponent of Vaccinating Pregnant woman and children through the “Safe and effective” messaging.

https://www.gavi.org/governance/gavi-board/members/helen-clark

Meanwhile Sen Kennedy has a message to Gavi with some serious concerns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nHT8IvaA4A

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2025-06-27/u-s-stops-funding-for-gavi-global-vaccine-program-sparking-backlash

Swallowed a dead Rat ?
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October 11, 2025 8:09am
- sirknz
  
  Doing the opposite of what Clark is pushing is the best course of action for the average person.
  
  For the cashed up elite anti-natalists like Gates and Clark, this is what they need.
  
  Also, can we keep Bill Gates away from food and medicines please.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:21am
- pdm
  
  MM if it gets her out of New Zealand for a year or two that cannot be a bad thing.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:28am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  What is the problem? Hopefully it gets Helen Clark out of New Zealand.
  
  Also the COVID vaccines are safe and effective, including for pregnant women.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:42am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    I get the sentiment but then who will be the victims of her and Gates’s malfeasance?
    
    Clark’s lasting legacy in NZ is the anti-smacking bill. The bill that destroyed loving parental discipline under the guise of stopping abuse. How is that working out for NZ?
    
    – children still getting abused and killed in large numbers
    – educational standards continue to decline as school teachers time is spent trying to manage the chaos of badly behaved children, so less time, energy etc to spend teaching and learning.
    
    Like Luxon leaving Jacinda extreme arbortion legislation alone, Key wouldn’t touch Helen’s bill – despite an overwhelming majority that requested this by referendum. How about expelling this legislation now?
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:53am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Well her gummint also left us with Kiwisaver, Super Fund and WFF. None of which were abolished by Key et al ……
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:16am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Ian, I agree that WFF is a massive encroachment of the welfare state, locking more NZers into a lifetime of dependency, thus deserved some critical thinking from a centre right leader.
        
        However, none of these were so unpopular with NZ that they led to referendums….
        
        The ant-smacking referendum showed 88% disagreement with the legislation. So it is relevant that Key ignored this.
        
        The politicians stomping on the wishes of the electorate!!!
        
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        October 11, 2025 1:56pm
    - Foxfour
      
      Anti smacking legislation a private members bill proposed by Green MP Sue Bradford – not Clarke- was passed with only 7 votes against.
      
      All most all National Mps voted for it, as its was supported by Key
      
      Later after election
      “Prime Minister John Key says the National Party will NOT support ACT member’s bill which allows smacking of a child for correctional purposes.” 2009
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:54am
- JackRabbit
  
  The Vaccine Alliance and other vaccine initiatives in Kenya and Africa are responsible for death and medical castration of populations.
  
  Helen Clark being appointed head just simply outs her for who she really is.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:51am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Well said,
    And,
    https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/106708-court-suspends-govts-immunity-privileges-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-officials
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:05am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t believe we heard that Helen Clark was ever pregnant, so not sure she should be part of this international scheme.
  
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  October 11, 2025 2:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A few penguins get run over and this Lefty wants to ban cars on the adjacent road. From the story, there seem to be plenty of the creatures around.

Why is it that every Lefty response in every situation is to ban it or to tax it?

http://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360846463/close-shave-penguin-nesting-box-leads-calls-close-wellington-road
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October 11, 2025 8:10am
- sirknz
  
  Because they want to control you and what you are allowed to do. Plus, the environmentalists want the poor to die hungry and cold.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:23am
- Colville
  
  Dosent the Lefty [Mod – deleted] know what a fence is? How hard can it be to stop a penguin from walking on a road IF that is needed to happen. Which I doubt.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:23am
- OlderChas
  
  Yep nmtb – and now they want to ban portable swimming pools because one unsupervised kid drowned (yes tragically) in an illegally unfenced pool. 14 people in the household, mother left child unattended in the lounge while she went to another room to prepare a snack, child wandered out a door – obviously left open to the outdoors because the child was too small to reach the handle, none of the other 12 people in the household saw the kid (maybe they were all at work? I don’t know.)
  But it’s the pool’s fault. Ban those pools!
  
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  October 11, 2025 3:33pm
Nikola Donatello

Another example of poor journalism.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360850160/im-often-woken-screaming-20-cell-and-fishbones-eat-if-youre-lucky-behind-bars-kiwi-one-worlds-most

This guy blames Christopher Luxon for leaving him in an Indonesia prison. He points out that the Australian Government extracted its citizens from the Indonesian prison.

There is no mention of the fact that New Zealand has no prisoner exchange agreement with any nation. Australia has many, including with Indonesia.

A competent journalist could have written an interesting article on why New Zealand has no such agreements, while Australia has many.

There is also no mention of the fact that prisoners extracted by Australia from Indonesian prisons under the agreement need to serve negotiated periods of imprisonment in Australian prisons.
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October 11, 2025 8:10am
- Biscuit
  
  Curious how this felon blames Christopher Luxon for his being in jail.
  
  But he’s been in jail since 2014, if I read the story properly.
  
  Luxon has been Prime Minister since late in 2023.
  
  Since 2014 we’ve had Key, English, Ardern and Hipkins as Prime Ministers before Luxon.
  
  Why were none of THOSE folk ‘blamed’?
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:22am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit the bloke in clink and the Stuff reporters minds are probably so `addled’ they cannot remember back past yesterday.
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:29am
  - Foxfour
    
    Its because the felon has named him and he wants out of the jail and back to NZ now.
    Fat chance !
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:35am
  - R
    
    Biscuit, the answer to your question ‘ why weren’t …..’ is answered in Para 4 of Donella’s comment. ‘Competent journalist’……She should have written….competent investigative neutral journalist, but I guess that we don’t have too many of those in NZ. Personally I can only think of two or three who would fill such a qualification, particularly within MSM ranks
    
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    October 11, 2025 9:18am
- graham
  
  Nikola, this sort of thing – where journalists can’t be bothered to provide some context – frustrates me no end. I see it on TV1 News, in the Herald, and although I don’t read Stuff it’s obvious they are just as guilty.
  
  I don’t know whether to look on it as misinformation (giving false or inaccurate information), disinformation (intentionally misstating the facts), activism posing as journalism, or just plain old-fashioned laziness and/or incompetence. But my word, the media seem to be getting worse even as they decry these very same flaws in others.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:44am
  - R
    
    Probably all four, with the emphasis on incompetence.
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:07am
- AitchW
  
  Poor journalism or simply yet another example of a lefty journalist seizing every opportunity to take a crack at the government?
  The media’s relentless campaign against the government is becoming exhausting.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:57am
  - Foxfour
    
    Theres a 2020 ZB story where Ardern was asked to help getting release of some sort
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/craig-tuck-lawyer-for-antony-de-malmanche-hopes-jacinda-ardern-can-help/
    
    So your claims dont match the facts.
    Hint when blaming the messenger make sure the claim isnt quicksand as it can swallow you up
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Quite right, exhausting but I see it all as just boring.
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:30pm
- Taieri
  
  Another example of poor journalism.
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  Here is another one:
  
  “(…)Struggling Dunedin job-hunters say the market is “impossible” to crack as entry-level jobs attract more than a hundred applications.
  One person told the Otago Daily Times they were forced to take a break from applying for jobs because their mental health was “rapidly declining”.
  It comes in the wake of the government cracking down on eligibility for Jobseeker Support payments.(…)”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/job-hunters-doing-it-tough
  
  Paywalled
  
  Not a word to be found in the article that this “eligibility crackdown” is not coming for another year, in November 2026.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:03am
  - R
    
    With the intelligence level displayed by this unidentified ‘one person’, I am not surprised he/she can’t find work. I guess that all the ‘other’ work seekers are having no difficulty!
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:10am
    - Ian Boag
      
      entry-level jobs attract more than a hundred applications
      
      So it can’t be hard at all to find an entry-level job …. ? Wot?
      
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      October 11, 2025 12:40pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    To generalise for a moment, many retired Boomers who have benefitted from much better times (although granted, not perfect times) are self-deluding as to how the world is today. They’re sitting at home posting on KB often comfortably well-off, and even in many cases drawing a pension they don’t need and which the country can’t really afford to be paying them.
    
    Kids have it very tough in 2025. Most of them can’t get house, and a lot of them can’t even get a job now. This is going to cause them to question the political status quo of the past 50 or 60 years. The best way to “radicalise” them and have them reject the system as it is is to just expose them to the reality of it. Once said Boomers and older Gen X are no longer alive to vote, things may start to change. Maybe.
    
    Kids may (and increasingly are), for instance, put two and two together and start to wonder out loud why successive governments have been importing hundreds and thousands of Asians, Indians, Africans etc. all of whom need the jobs and the houses the kids are competing with them for.
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:24pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      I sort of wonder when the yoof will get grumpy about inter-generational theft.
      
      I posted on another forum a while back in response to someone who was on about the need to cut spending.
      
      I mentioned that of course the pension was off limits as were the landlord tax changes and the notion of a CGT. These are things that would largely impact older people. I got responses that they were all well deserved and fair and all that. For oldies as it happens …. 🙂
      
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      October 11, 2025 12:45pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “I sort of wonder when the yoof will get grumpy about inter-generational theft”. They wouldn’t think that much about it Ian, unless people like you call it that. When it isn’t that at all. In case you don’t know, theft is
        “(a) dishonestly and without claim of right, taking any property with intent to deprive any owner permanently of that property or of any interest in that property; or
        (b) dishonestly and without claim of right, using or dealing with any property with intent to deprive any owner permanently of that property or of any interest in that property after obtaining possession of, or control over, the property in whatever manner”.
        What you have done, is just be inflammatory. Which is exactly what we do not need in discourse these days.
        
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        October 11, 2025 4:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        be inflammatory … exactly what we do not need in discourse
        
        You must be kidding – this is KB – home of reasoned calm rational non-personal non-abusive non-inflamatory debate. The odd post evens fits all this 🙂
        
        Today’s younger folk are paying for their parents’ pension at 65 whether the parents need it or not. They are doing this knowing that their kids probably won’t be funding something similar for them when they hit 65. Perhaps we could just call it “non-voluntary inter-generational transfer” .
        
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        October 11, 2025 5:18pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “non-voluntary inter-generational transfer” . Oh please Ian. It might be nice if you made an effort. By that measure, the income tax I have paid is a “non-voluntary inter-generational transfer” since none of the youth today have paid anything to use the infrastructure I have helped fund. And I am one of the dwindling number that has paid net income tax over the last few decades.
        
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        October 11, 2025 10:13pm
    - Taieri
      
      start to wonder out loud why successive governments have been importing hundreds and thousands of Asians, Indians, Africans etc.
      —————
      
      A very good question, one, which not only kids should be asking…
      
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      October 11, 2025 2:28pm
    - Ian
      
      Part of the reason is that Kiwi yoof (and elders) are not prepared to do jobs they think beneath them. Coupled with the fact that many businesses that sell requiring high low level work aren’t selling to Kiwis. It always surprises me that a certain ethnicity in Northland aren’t prepared to move out of the district looking for work, but they seem to be held back by familial ties…
      
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      October 11, 2025 3:38pm
  - artemisia
    
    Young couple, 20s, in the fam both left school and went to work. One started in hospo, now in a team leader role. Other a free polytechnic trade foundation course then apprenticeship, now a double tradie.
    
    Both have Kiwisaver and have saved well above what’s required for a home deposit. Not buying yet though as about to head to Perth for a look and talk to mates already there.
    
    Point is they each made it happen by starting at the bottom, proving themselves and having a plan.
    
    Have mentioned before that the polytechnic course ours did started with more than 20, only 4 finished. Some did not last a week. Most were sent by WINZ I was told. None of them finished.
    
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    October 11, 2025 1:32pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Your point I guess is that 5-10 years ago it was possible for a motivated person to plot a course through education and apprenticeships and stuff. It probably still is, just a whole lot harder …
      
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      October 11, 2025 4:00pm
  - AitchW
    
    I’d be wary of accepting without question the number of applicants for any job. When we advertised on Seek for an entry level position in our business a couple of years ago at least half of the applications were from overseas. Of the local applications a good half were from people with Asian names who were, on paper, way overqualified for the job.
    
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    October 11, 2025 1:43pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Can you do some estimates of numbers so one can make a bit of sense? Roughly how many applications all up? About half from offshore? About half of the rest with Chinese/Indian names? You are starting to sound like Phil Twyford. And when an overqualified person applies for a job it is usually because they can’t find something their qualifications match up with.
      
      And all this was a few years back when things weren’t quite as dire as now ….
      
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      October 11, 2025 3:58pm
- rouppe
  
  And no mention that Hipkins left him there, and Arden left him there.
  
  Nope, it’s all Luxon’s fault.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:14am
Scott

According to Wikipedia:
“The Great Replacement (French: grand remplacement), also known as replacement theory or great replacement theory,[1][2][3] is a debunked[4][5] white nationalist[6] far-right conspiracy theory[3][7][8][9] originally espoused by French author Renaud Camus. The original theory states that, with the complicity or cooperation of “replacist” elites,[a][7][10] the ethnic French and white European populations at large are being demographically and culturally replaced by non-white peoples—especially from Muslim-majority countries—through mass migration, demographic growth and a drop in the birth rate of white Europeans.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory

So it’s all a debunked conspiracy theory? Don’t ya know? Only the far right would think that?

Well I watched this morning highlights of the French national team playing Iceland in a World Cup qualifier. The French team represents France in their most popular sport, football, or soccer to those that don’t know.

This premier side that represents France, the pinnacle of French sport, to my eyes in the highlights package contained not one white player. Now I’m sure if you scour the team sheet you’ll find a white player somewhere. But as I was watching I never saw one white player on the ball, touch the ball.

That is proof that the French people, the white people, are being replaced. The great replacement theory is true.
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October 11, 2025 8:17am
- Northshoredoc
  
  This reminds me of an episode from Fawlty Towers.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZY0SdiNzfw
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:57am
  - rjay
    
    Today white Europeans are the “wogs”. West Of Gaza
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:01pm
- Conservatarian
  
  You’ll find Wikipedia is heavily left slanted on any topic than can be considered political, social or cultural. Its editorial committee includes about 60 editors, 80% of whom are anonymous (because these people are likely to be well-known operatives, activists, journalists and probably intelligence community).
  
  It is only useful for “objective” things like the description of a plant or animal, or for sports results.
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:48am
  - wairarapapaul
    
    Sorry downticked in error
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:15am
  - Foxfour
    
    Thats not how wikipedia works at all.
    You and I can add properly sourced material.
    Best to have an account and a history of verifiable edits
    Doesnt need approval from ‘ super editors’- as there arent any
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:17am
    - R
      
      supreme editors ….aren’t any. FF this fact is obvious from some of the wikipedia content
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:24am
    - Dougal10
      
      You can factually fix something and then it gets changed back to obvious fiction which shows there are some kind of editors .
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:36am
      - Foxfour
        
        Thats just another keyboard ‘editor’ like you. There status isnt any higher than yours
        Make sure you have a reliable source which supports your change , and fight any reverters
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:26pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Ok, go into a page such as “Right-wing terrorism” and try to effect an edit which says that currently right wing terrorism is not a significant concern in the United States and the primary problem is the wave of far left wing political terror sweeping across the United States.
      
      Feel free to cite any number of instances since, say, mid 2024 as your definition of “current”.
      
      Let me know when you’ve done that.
      
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      October 11, 2025 11:37am
      - Foxfour
        
        Your mistake is that what you did is called ‘own research’….’any number of isnatnces’… A big no no
        
        You have to have reliable sources that say that say according to major law enforcement agencies or such that say what you claim
        
        This does this and its the reverse of your claim
        Top law enforcement officials say the biggest domestic terror threat comes from white supremacists.
        https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terror-white-supremacists.html
        
        You could look what what Trumps officials say, but likely to be partisan garbage.
        The FBI has 1/3 of its agents assigned to immigration enforcement not Antifa ….LOL
        
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        October 11, 2025 3:36pm
    - Gussy Fink-Nottle
      
      “That’s not how Wikipedia works at all.
      You and I can add properly sourced material”…as long as those sources are acceptable to the hard-left volunteer editors.
      
      Further, your material will likely be edited by others if it doesn’t fit the approved narrative.
      
      The sobriquet Wokepedia is quite valid.
      
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      October 11, 2025 12:20pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Common ancestors to southern africans is about 300,000 years, Central Africans about 200,000 years back, West and East Africans about 150-100,000 years back. Every other ethnicity about 50,000 years back a time when everyone out of africa shares interbred genetics with Neanderthals and Denisovans to some degree. Average Norwegian is more closely genetically linked to Aboriginals and Amazonian Indians than Nigerians and genetically there’s bugger all difference between everyone outside of africa compared to the difference to africans.
  
  So its unsurprising that people of african ancestry have quite different phenotypic attributes in many respects – like far superior athleticism that sees them dominate most low-economic-entry-barrier sports.
  
  https://kaiserscience.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/evolution-of-humans-and-hominins-homo-sapiens-lineage-cladogram.png
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:58pm
- RichardX
  
  That is proof that the French people, the white people, are being replaced. The great replacement theory is true.
  
  I have yet to hear a conspiracy theory that doesn’t rely on “Post hoc ergo propter hoc” and you also rely on this fallacious reasoning, again demonstrating your flawed epistemology.
  
  The definition you use to make the claim ” The great replacement theory is true”, as sourced from Wikipedia, explicitly references ”the complicity or cooperation of “replacist” elites.
  
  For you to make the claim that it is true you would require evidence of the existence of these ”replacist elites” where all you have presented as “proof” is a national sporting team that has an ethnic distribution different to the nation they represent.
  
  Based on the quality of the “proof” you have provided, the fact that the French rugby team has a different ethnic mix to the French football team would prove “The great replacement theory” is false.
  
  You conveniently ignore all other factors that may influence the ethnic make up of a sporting team and claim race is the only factor.
  
  I repeat Northshoredoc’s link
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZY0SdiNzfw
  
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  October 11, 2025 1:16pm
artemisia

The mysterious unravelling of a high-profile transparency project

A long report from Andrea Vance about ‘difficulties’ with projects in the Institute of Governance and Policy Studies at Victoria University. Which appears to be – we spent the money, thanks, but didn’t deliver.

And also Bryce Edwards’ Integrity Institute suddenly vanishing from New Zealand’s Charitable Trusts Register.

The article ends with this response from Victoria Uni: Many of the questions asked by The Post were not answered. The university said: “please feel free to submit any further follow up questions through our OIA process” – a process that usually takes a minimum of 20 working days.

Any request to an organisation named in official information legislation is a request for official information unless excluded. The request does not have to specify the enabling legislation. Ms Vance should be pointing this out to the university and invoking the 20 day clause from the date of the request.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360847040/mysterious-unravelling-high-profile-transparency-project
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October 11, 2025 8:18am
- graham
  
  Andrea Vance? The woman who wrote one of the most misogynistic pieces of journalism ever published? A column that labelled other women as the C-word, and used phrases as “girl-math” and “girl-bosses”?
  
  I refuse to read anything written by her now. Andrea Vance’s reputation is irreparably tarnished. She will forever be associated with one of the most misogynistic and nasty pieces of journalism ever published.
  
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  October 11, 2025 8:48am
  - David Garrett
    
    Graham: She had no reputation to tarnish well before that. She is ex News of The World which was so sleazy Murdoch eventually shut it down
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:05am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      David and Graham
      
      In the UK the NoW was known as “The News of the Screws. Screws in the sexual context!!!
      
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      October 11, 2025 10:49am
- Paul
  
  The article in The Post is weird. Several statements can immediately be shown to be false from the public Charities Register, register.charities.govt.nz
  There has never been a charity or charitable trust called the Integrity Institute: a search for “Integrity” in charity names throws up “Business Integrity Trust”, “Russian-speaking Integrity Alliance NZ Inc.” and “Valuers’ Education and Integrity Foundation”. The first two were deregistered years ago; charities whose registration is cancelled do not disappear and their filings remain publicly viewable.
  The Post article contains a direct quote attributed to an unnamed spokesperson from MBIE, which operates the register. If the statement were true, that the Integrity Institute was removed from the register at the request of its trustees, then the associated documents including the removal request would be viewable on the register. It appears that the quote was made up by someone (Ms Vance herself?) who has never worked with the register and does not know how it operates.
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:22pm
kowtow

Two major items in today’s Herald re the maori party.
One the editorial ,the other by Adam Pearse .
The former described Waititi’s interaction with Packer as “walked off and took her with him”. Pearse , a bit stronger said “physically steering a reluctant Ngawera packer away from the microphones ……..an uncomfortable sight”

Now we all know how the media pack would have reacted had that been the white male leader of a party to a female colleague . In fact it looked less of a press ‘stand up ‘ and more of a sequel to Once were warriors.

Our media are the biggest hypocrites in this country and are a huge part of why we’ve gone so far down the shitter from a once civil , largely unified and formerly very productive country.
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October 11, 2025 8:19am
KKNZ2025

Oz Juice Media finally covers NZ…

note NSFW & children (& may trigger Coalition supporters with no sense of humour)

https://youtu.be/h-yjkAXxnMA?si=M8DzmKH2avhAZlOL
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October 11, 2025 8:40am
- rjay
  
  Lol. Put the N back in cuts. The rest was pretty ho hum.
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:06pm
NothingLeft

A short description of the life of Russian infantrymen in Ukraine:
https://youtu.be/KAgqZNNwHbY?t=61
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October 11, 2025 8:40am
- virtualmark
  
  Or a description of the short life of Russian infantrymen in Ukraine?
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:02pm
I remember when

In September 2025 no hurricanes made landfall in the United States – the first time that has happened in a decade.
Climate Change – the reason the weather is so unpredictable (like yesterday’s weather report.)
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October 11, 2025 9:04am
- Master Mariner
  
  Well the Ministry of the enviroment and Statistics do not agree.
  They have produced a report stating the opposite that extreme weather and events are increasing and that is why your Insurance should be going up and you should not own your house.//
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:14am
Yvette

The Great Reset
• Parliament held the “ghosts of some of the most vilest humans to ever walk our whenua”, he said.
“So we vowed, Debbie and I, that we would never get comfortable in here. The second we felt at home in this place would be the second we knew we’d been assimilated by those ghosts and their uri (descendants).”

Just words – no names, no Reset

• “We’ve identified who our coalition partners will be, we’ve identified the common ground, and we’ve identified and heard that we mustn’t let anything jeopardise the way that we get this government out.”

No names here – either

• Asked about the recent allegations of the party running a “dictatorship model”, Waititi abruptly called the stand-up to a close and marched off, pulling Ngarewa-Packer with him.

That was after –
“We have listened carefully. Our people want direction, discipline and delivery, so we’re tightening the lashings, clarifying roles, front footing communication.”

“Our people want direction.”
But does te Pati Maori basically offer confusion. When you keep drawing a salary from the State when everything you state opposes your being there. Like, “ghosts of some of the most vilest humans to ever walk our whenua”

I personally have no time for the lie that complains of a past of physical colonisation, and then re-colonises themselves again but this time mentally (and also writes that on the clean slate that their mokopuna are born with). Words and attitude have vast importance, and that is proven by the realisation that the lies we are culturally presented with, now makes me cringe when I hear a haka or see yet again a Maori blessing opening a highway without equal Islamic blessing or any other religion in a secular Government, or history rewritten but only about one ethnicity of the “most vilest humans to ever walk our whenua”. Did I become racist all by myself, or the Maori Party help just a little bit?

Rawiri Waititi, I see your “most vilest humans to ever walk our whenua” and raise you “The Feast of the Seagulls” (Te Kai a te Karoro) Battle of Moremonui, start of the Musket Wars.

Kia whakatōmuri te haere whakamua – “I walk backwards into the future with my eyes fixed on my past” – well, some cherry-picked past.
A Reset should have some regard for the future.
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October 11, 2025 9:08am
- Eastlander
  
  ‘The feast of the seagulls’ – so named because there were too many dead for the victors to eat. The child-chewing cannibals from whom Maoris descend were certainly some of the most depraved people who ever lived, and many of the current generation quite plainly regard infanticide as an unremarkable incident of life. Child sexual abuse must be absolutely commonplace in those squalid, violent families too.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    I cannot accept that the child-chewing cannibals from whom Maoris descend were certainly some of the most depraved people who ever lived, and many of the current generation quite plainly regard infanticide as an unremarkable incident of life.
    Why is this so, is it just genetics which we see a violence of many are taught as our young children are shown and copy the savage Haka at a very young age without having a clue as to its pure violence, fro which it comes, and gets done it as often as possible for any excuse ?
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:41pm
    - Eastlander
      
      Genetics is certain to be an important part. Treacherous and impulsive violence enabled you to leave more descendants. Since violent criminals are not killed by the law, it’s still a favourable selection characteristic.
      
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      October 11, 2025 4:31pm
- R
  
  I seriously doubt that Waititi writes his own speeches/addresses.
  He certainly doesn’t understand what he is saying, and neither does anyone else.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:29am
iMP

Charles the III calls on Starmer to resign.

It would appear King Charles has publicly called on Keir Starmer to resign and has outlined the reasons. Go you good king. Constitutional monarchy -ya gotta love it. It works as a strong check on executive power.

Winston Churchill loved it and I can see why. We should definitely retain it as it worked in Australia and it is now working in the UK as the king protects the people from the excesses of Parliamentary democracy being abused by an idealogue.
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October 11, 2025 9:13am
- Maggie's ex partner
  
  Really? Where di you read that little gem?
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:33am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Link please bruh
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Speaker of the House finally realises he’s been played for a sucker.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360850785/speaker-says-haka-maiden-speech-left-him-feeling-suckered
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October 11, 2025 9:30am
- G152
  
  Remove them from parliament and dont pay them until further notice…. like next election
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:13am
- leoj
  
  Suckered……..
  
  Synonym for spineless.
  
  Brownlee is typical (eg Luxon) of the Nats refusal to stand up to maori activists.
  
  The coalition could take all the power away by abolishing maori seats – WHICH WAS THEIR MANDATE IN 2008.
  
  Gutless wonders.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:51am
- Paulus
  
  For Gerry nothing new !
  
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  October 11, 2025 2:42pm
Colville

Random question.

Anyone know how to value a company?

Scaffolding company , its not but its similar. They own lots of gear, truss, hoists, lights, that kind of stuff.

So I assume its plant plus some multiple of profit?

Any ideas?

TIA.
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October 11, 2025 9:36am
- Southern Raider
  
  Multiple of profit. Maybe 2 to 3 times as all one off projects with no annuity revenue. Then take away the asset value to determine goodwill and need to make a call if that goodwill is too much.
  
  Note there is heaps of scaffolding companies getting liquidated at the moment, heaps of auctions of scaffolding equipment, the construction industry is dead and there is no real barriers to entry for someone to start a crew on an oily rag.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:50am
  - R
    
    An enertrapueral opportunity for some who can recognize that this govt has laid thee foundations for infrastructural progress after 6 years of total mismanagement; and there are now going to be opportunities to improve life for the motivated element of the country, and make a personal profit.
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:35am
  - Colville
    
    Southern.
    Two times profit less assets would be a negative value.
    Profit was circa $1mil last year and they own LOTS of stuff.
    
    It’s not scaffold. I would never look at anything where you are competing with illegal immigrant labour.
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:32pm
- Conservatarian
  
  I have no expertise in valuing companies but here’s a few things to think about.
  
  Make sure you consider its forward book of jobs, its client list (which may have a value which can be represented amongst other things as “goodwill”), its contractual liabilities, its contingent liabilities (anything that could possibly cost in the future but is not booked as a liability, such as potential employment actions from ex-staff). Make sure to write out the tax liability arising if the IRD did an audit related to the time before which you bought the company.
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:58am
Southern Raider

20 live innocent hostages in exchange for 2000 violent Islamists just seems a very one sided and illogical deal that the West has enabled Hamas to get away with.

Imagine the Nazis have 20 innocent British hostages and tried to exchange them for 2000 SS troops. Thats what Hamas has got away with.

Hamas now has 2000 more radical Islamist leaders and fighters to start preparing for the next attacks on Israel.
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October 11, 2025 9:42am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Peace needs a compromise, give it a go, if not then Netanyahu will be very keen to flatten the joint fully I’m sure.
  It has to end somehow.
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:49am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I agree with you. I’m just raising the inequality of the exchange for peace and how the left claim these murderers and Islamist fanatics are “political prisoners”
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:07am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Hmm. Yes SR, the Israelis are probably on the short side of this one. As an example, Yahya Sinwar (the October 7 mastermind, now thankfully deceased) was among 1,026 Hamas prisoners released in 2011 in exchange for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit. Sinwar had done 22 years in prison. Gives a bit of a lie to being “rehabilitated”.
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:31am
- Conservatarian
  
  You have to also consider how a new struggle for power plays out within Gaza. Hamas may have to fight off newly formed clans of headchoppers and warlords within Gaza. If any new group of warlords think Hamas is weakened, they will slit the Hamas members’ throats by lunchtime.
  
  Just like any corporate takeover.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:02am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Was already happening. The IDF was applying pressure on Hamas from the North and the clans from the South.
    
    Basically the Arab Middle East is just a bunch of family clans and tribes who just happen to fall under the same religious banner and usually have a dictator with a strong foot to keep them in line.
    
    If Israel didn’t exist to unify their hate externally they would all just be driving around killing each other like they did 1000 years ago
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    Has killed off many opposition men to them from the Official Palestine Fatah Party and they will do it all again only bigger this time.
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:46pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Gives IDF a chance to have another shot at them if they raise their heads above the parapets, and is probably cheaper than keeping them incarcerated for decades.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:03am
- Eastlander
  
  The bombing will resume soon enough.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:05am
- Dougal10
  
  Some of the 2000 may just randomly explode one day , i’m not sure if they will be welcomed back into an underground bunker.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:46am
- mandk
  
  It demonstrates that one Israeli is worth one hundred Hamas fighters.
  
  Mind you, I think that grossly undervalues the former.
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:19pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    “It demonstrates that one Israeli is worth one hundred Hamas fighters.”
    
    This is a very candid admission from you, but consistent with the tendency to see Jewish lives as far more valuable than those of gentiles.
    
    Your comment echoes the now infamous statement by Rabbi Yaacov Perrin at the funeral of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist who murdered 29 Palestinians while at prayer in the Cave of the Patriarchs in February 1995. The good Rabbi, in defence of Goldstein, asserted that “one million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
    
    https://acjna.org/articles/religious-fundamentalism-and-holy-war-judaism-is-not-immune/
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:34pm
Southern Raider

If the West (or NZ) is invaded and we have to rely on the left we are screwed.

The flotilla clowns flew to Europe, spent over a month on holiday in Spain, cruised the Med for 2 months on yachts while stopping at several tourist destinations and all while sharing it on Instagram.

They then spend 48 hours being detailed by a Democratic country while being showered, clothed, feed and then put on flights back to the Europe.

Yet those clowns, left wing parties and the media make it out as if they have done 6 months on the frontlines in Ukraine, 2 years volunteering in war torn Sudan or 3 years in a Nazi concentration camp.
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October 11, 2025 9:47am
- MCōs
  
  “If the West (or NZ) is invaded and we have to rely on the left we are screwed.”
  The closest NZ has ever come to being invaded was during WWII and that wasn’t even close
  However
  The left wing government of the time didn’t hesitate to declare war on Germany and shortly thereafter send an army to North Africa
  
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  October 11, 2025 3:48pm
  - GJM
    
    The Labour party of the time has nothing in common with the current lot. They would have fit in with current or recent National in many ways.
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:44pm
Southern Raider

Yesterday Labour Party was all over social media and traditional media claiming National was going against its election promise by kicking off asset sales with Chorus.

Apart from HDPA none of the rest to the media seemed to be able to ask the fundamental question eg how is this as asset sale when Chorus is a privately listed company and the Govt doesn’t own them.
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October 11, 2025 10:06am
- R
  
  What Nicola Willis was explaining is what we used to call’ discounting’; selling of an underperforming investment which has really fulfilled its purpose, and proposing to invest for a future return elsewhere
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:39am
- Dougal10
  
  Facts aren’t important in a labour party press release.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:48am
- SoloView
  
  @ SouthernFinance
  From “The Post”
  “Minister Nicola Willis says the Government is floating the sale of the debt and equity securities it owns in broadband company Chorus.”
  
  The debt and equity securities it holds are an asset. If they are sold, it’s an asset sale.
  
  Equity securities are financial assets that represent ownership in a corporation, commonly known as shares.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:59am
- MCōs
  
  Slightly more sophisticated than that.
  The government doesn’t own Chorus, but it put up 60% of the money and they want money back to invest elsewhere
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360850085/government-looks-cash-out-chorus-investment#:~:text=While%20the%20Government%20has%20a,%24170%20million%20of%20Crown%20securities.
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:08pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    That’s called a loan with some form of guarantee like any commercial lender would do.
    
    Does the Govt have a major sway in shareholder meetings, gets to nominate Directors for the Board? No so it’s not ownership
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:50pm
  - Quail
    
    MCos
    Well yes, but they would also like their “ investment “ in WFF, or the a film industry etc back as well.
    Once spent always spent!
    They have forgotten value for money ,productivity or just basic cost benefit analysis!
    
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    October 11, 2025 8:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh whew!
Rawiri Waititi wasn’t grabbing and hauling Debbie Ngarewa-Packer; he was PROTECTING her

“He’s not pulling me aside, he’s protecting me,” she said. “This little brother would never ever push me aside or do anything, because I’d slap his ears.

“That’s not our relationship… and he’ll make sure that I get out there safely, because we have been badgered and I have been triggered.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/575590/te-pati-maori-leaders-claim-broken-trust-abruptly-ended-reset-media-stand-up

My goodness, its dangerous stuff having a planned encounter with savage TV reporters.
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October 11, 2025 10:32am
- David Garrett
  
  “I’ve been triggered”…yet another totally nonsensical concept which has been invented this century
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:37am
  - Boy Geoff
    
    One down ticker so far David – you’ve definitely triggered someone!
    
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    October 11, 2025 10:50am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Its a word often used by those of low IQ David. They learned it on social media and believe everything they see and read there.
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:06pm
- Boy Geoff
  
  Splendid to see that Rawiri knows chivalry is never dead as long as one man still believes in it.
  
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  October 11, 2025 10:46am
  - R
    
    Many men believe in ‘Chivalry’, we just don’t make a spectacle of such for media PR purposes, after the event!
    
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    October 11, 2025 11:41am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Hey! Rawiri went to the Lizzo concert in Auckland last year, so he must be pretty hip as well…
      
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      October 11, 2025 2:03pm
- leoj
  
  No strong, independent women in the party then?
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:53am
  - mandk
    
    I’m surprised she is allowed to talk at all.
    
    Shouldn’t she sit quietly at the back while the men speak. Isn’t that tikanga Māori?
    
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    October 11, 2025 12:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I doubt Waititi would try man-hauling Mariameno Kapa-Kingi about…
    
    just as I doubt M. Kapa-Kingi would try and justify Waititi’s boorish/thuggish behaviour.
    
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    October 11, 2025 1:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Badgered? No badgers in NZ. Cease use of this colonialist metaphor!
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:20pm
- rouppe
  
  Protecting her from what? Show me the threat.
  
  If it’s being protected from being triggered, then that’s pathetic.
  
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  October 11, 2025 1:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  “because I’d slap his ears.”
  Violent aren’t they.
  Does she beat her kids too?
  
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  October 11, 2025 2:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What an example for folk who daily receive the bash from their domineering partners.
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:31pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      And the infants who get it from both.
      
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      October 11, 2025 3:55pm
  - graham
    
    And here I was thinking it was white men that caused all the violence in the world – more specifically, white cis men. At least, that’s what Marama Davidson told us a couple of years ago.
    
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    October 11, 2025 6:07pm
Yvette

Perhaps of interest –
Why China Built 162 Square Miles of Solar Panels on the World’s Highest Plateau

High on the Tibetan Plateau, nearly 10,000 feet above sea level, vast solar farms—covering an area seven times the size of Manhattan—gleam beneath an intense alpine sun. Wind turbines line barren ridges, spinning through the night to complement the solar flow, while hydropower dams harness the region’s plunging rivers. Together, these systems form a colossal clean-energy hub, feeding electricity through high-voltage lines to cities over a thousand miles away. China is using the plateau’s altitude, cold air, and bright sunshine to generate low-cost renewable energy, powering even data centers crucial to its AI ambitions.

Though still the world’s largest coal consumer, China signaled a turning point when President Xi Jinping announced before the United Nations that the nation would cut overall greenhouse emissions and expand renewables sixfold—a globally significant promise from the planet’s biggest polluter, rising toward a cleaner horizon. – New York Times [précis]

Something that eventually become a reality that will change Winston’ recent Global Warming contributors reality check?

New Zealand may soon have real electricity problems. Conversion of the entire vehicle fleet may require three and a half more Benmore schemes and databanks for AI will be needed if New Zealand is to keep up with the rest of the world — and provide a chain of John Kirwin hot-water surfing attractions.
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October 11, 2025 10:32am
- R
  
  Time e started to build all the earlier 19th century hydro schemes, that environmentalist ideological ignorance convinced an easily lead public weren’t needed.
  
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  October 11, 2025 11:45am
I remember when

ABC News has reported that the Queensland government has recieved a report showing that for the period 2019 to 2024, an additional 114 flora and fauna species were marked as threatened, and three animals marked as extinct.
For the report, the state government changed its assessment method to fall in line with the federal government, which also impacted on the number of species listed.
Those declared extinct were –
Capricorn rat-mouse, was described as a new species in 2010, on ther basis of Pleistocene and Holocene dental remains. Some of the subfossil material post-dates the European settlement of Australia, so is a modern extinction.

Blue grey mouse, native to Queensland and NSW. Only a few historical species are known to have existed. No confirmed sighting since 1950.
Only three historical specimen were ever known, all collected pre-1956.

Percy Island flying fox is known from a single specimen collected in 1859.

So obviously the extinctions are largely confirmation of status.
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October 11, 2025 10:45am
Dougal10

Its seem govt departments and former ones like meridian have gone all out on buying BYD utes and cars , of the hybrid variety . I was talking to a sales man the other day who said 80% of them aren’t getting plugged in , but because they are hybrids they tick the woke box , unlike some of the big Yankee utes they also sell.
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October 11, 2025 11:55am
leoj

Teachers to strike.

Well, whoopee!

Let ’em, then give them nothing.

The pupils surely will not suffer given the failure of the eduction system, held to ransom by the tearchers’ union.
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October 11, 2025 11:56am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Hilarious isnt it leoj? Teachers strike for better pay after stats in education fall off a cliff. Well done teachers, make young NZ’rs dumber than they ever have been, then demand that New Zealand taxpayers pay you extra for that 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    Can’t make any difference as the Teachers are teaching to dumb down the children of New Zealand just like the parents of the current children who are as dumb anyway fro their education.
    Dumb and Dumber !
    
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    October 11, 2025 2:51pm
- Southern Raider
  
  To make it worse at one of my kids schools they have strike Thursday, teachers only day Friday and then it’s Labour weekend
  
  Obviously keeping kids in school and teaching is the priority
  
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  October 11, 2025 12:47pm
  - AitchW
    
    Right before end of year exams too.
    It’s heartwarming to see how deeply the teachers care for the kids’ education and exam performance.
    
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    October 11, 2025 1:50pm
    - Paulus
      
      Why would they care as its only more for me and more and more anyway as the children of New Zealand do not matter as we are seeing from previous years so called education, still run by Marxists.
      
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      October 11, 2025 2:53pm
  - Foxfour
    
    But But but …
    Headmaster-in-chief Seymour had dictated that no teacher only days before a long weekend..
    ‘In September 2024, Associate Education Minister David Seymour announced a ban on teacher-only days during term time in New Zealand, arguing that schools should not schedule them just before long weekends to improve student attendance”
    
    The Honcho- mistress slapped him back saying Im the Boss
    
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    October 11, 2025 5:23pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Is it true that the teachers still get paid when they strike?
  
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  October 11, 2025 4:37pm
Jethrod

It appears that Hamas has rejected Tony Blair as whatever he was going to do in Gaza.
Perhaps this is an opportunity for other former PM’S, like Helen or Jacinda ……. their politics would seem to right.
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October 11, 2025 4:30pm
- nathie
  
  Yes … as long as they can keep them over there!
  
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  October 11, 2025 9:31pm
Pope Punctilious II

[Mod – just debate the topics, no need for personal crap] The wave of extinctions that followed Polynesian settlement of NZ makes it very clear they were the first settlers of this country.
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October 11, 2025 7:01pm
Swifty

Apparently, government ‘goodness’ is determined by how much they spend on civil servant salaries.

Not effectiveness. Not efficiency. Not best use of scarce taxpayer dough.

https://x.com/clintvsmith/status/1976799516713271448?s=46

Easily one of Clint Smith’s weakest tweets, but I’m sure many will fall for it.
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